From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Aug 22 19:12:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA04245 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:12:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA04230 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:12:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09702; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:11:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd009664; Sat Aug 22 19:11:43 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA18917; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:11:30 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199808230211.TAA18917@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: C and static initialization with unions To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 02:11:30 +0000 (GMT) Cc: Studded@dal.net, tlambert@primenet.com, rotel@indigo.ie, mike@smith.net.au, Nicolas.Souchu@prism.uvsq.fr, chuckr@glue.umd.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199808211727.RAA11031@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at Aug 21, 98 05:27:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I could (were I not bound by NDA, etc.) name 3 projects off the top of > > my head that are loathe to extend their development to FreeBSD because > > of the difficulty in using modern development tools (like egcs, and a > > couple others) and lack of thread support. When one of them is asked why > > they aren't planning a FreeBSD implementation their standard answer is, > > "It is too difficult to produce a binary that performs even to our > > minimum standards, and therefore it isn't cost effective for us." > > As a compiler, egcs is no better than our thread support. > > Attacking Terry over this, when his employer is one of the major > sponsors of thread-related development on FreeBSD, seems a little > misdirected. I think his statement supports my thesis, that modern tools are not a luxury which FreeBSD can choose to support at some date in the future, but a necessity. So I don't feel attacked. 8-). But even if I was attacked, I wouldn't feel attacked, since I don't personalize these things (ie: I refuse to "own" someone else's problem); it's actually marvelously liberating to be able to participate in an uncontrolled forum without having to worry about someone else being able to give you an ulcer... ;-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message