From owner-freebsd-security Sat Oct 7 21:40: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from homer.softweyr.com (bsdconspiracy.net [208.187.122.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED32D37B502 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 21:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=softweyr.com ident=Fools trust ident!) by homer.softweyr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13i8L4-00006p-00; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 22:45:30 -0600 Message-ID: <39DFFBE9.546DFE24@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 22:45:30 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darren Reed Cc: David Talkington , Craig Cowen , "freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Check Point FW-1 References: <200010080427.PAA19412@cairo.anu.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Darren Reed wrote: > > In some mail from David Talkington, sie said: > > > > b) To a boss concerned about the bottom line, a purchase equals > > accountability (e.g., someone to sue when it breaks). This is (in my > > humble opinion) typical of management that doesn't really care about > > security of the company's data per se, but just wants their personal > > asses covered. > > For the record, you can't sue anyone who's got the "standard" software > license/disclaimer over the failure of it to perform or be bug free. > Read it one day and actually see what it's all about. But you can threaten to stop paying them tens of thousands of dollars in customer/technical non-support contract fees if they don't come up with a fix real fast. You should sell support contracts for ipfilter, Darren. The people could threaten YOU with cutting off the contracts you'll learn to hate. Small incentive. > What is really the difference is being able to dial 1-800-FIREWALL and > have someone help you out, etc. Well, at least have someone to answer the phone and listen while you rant. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message