From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 03:00:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [69.147.83.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6247A1065670; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:00:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0788E14ED84; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:00:00 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <5036EE2E.4040606@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:59:58 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eitan Adler References: <97612B57-1255-4BB3-A6D3-FC74324C6D67@FreeBSD.org> <785B5BAD-E015-4624-B3A1-D05E1BD97E51@freebsd.org> <5AC662AA-4874-4BC2-9862-65518B79B840@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Steve Wills , Baptiste Daroussin , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:00:01 -0000 On 8/23/2012 7:23 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > On 23 August 2012 22:15, Steve Wills wrote: >> On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:08 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: >> >>> On 23 August 2012 22:05, Steve Wills wrote: >>> >>>> Why can't one of those steps be to run "pkg-bootstrap"? >>> >>> Because the how-to may not be for a new system ;) >> >> The possibility of bad docs somewhere outside of our control, when we can (and I am actively working on) document(ing) pkgng for the handbook seems kinda thin. It's not even "Something's wrong on the Internet!" (http://xkcd.com/386/), it's "Something might some day be wrong on the Internet!" > > It isn't a problem of bad docs. Its a problem of the user following > some not-for-new-systems documentation and getting very confused when > they see "command not found.". It is practically the definition of > POLA. No, POLA refers to not changing long-established practices out from under the user. I tend to agree with Steve here ... we can't be responsible for other people's poorly written docs. You bring up a valid point that we should keep in mind for our own however. The bootstrapping issue will be the smallest possible annoyance on a long road of the migration process. OTOH this is a good use case for the "prompt the user when they type a command for something that can be installed from ports" idea. :) Doug -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I can do. -- Edward Everett Hale, (1822 - 1909)