From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 03:04:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0151065670 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:04:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9209B8FC1C for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:04:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcbgb22 with SMTP id gb22so2060564vcb.13 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:04:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=fLoYKDYGfzeMdpoIUOx3zhyLJ0B+eYfjtq1vYfSG6jw=; b=UMGTdoIGai+qb4cuwn00J0J83QNpk2Gs6Ll+ERW1GHt7iJHaW8zzMgGhe/fXSNklXE CqB6+uvsSG5uSt6nBFscbFgM3AQjCf2ReoAQ5nqDBtTFFovDF48d2waGUnrRRfATMjJs A07pZLW+cED+Nl715700l9s1q91oM/4VvDmFE= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=fLoYKDYGfzeMdpoIUOx3zhyLJ0B+eYfjtq1vYfSG6jw=; b=MCX8fKrWOIBbId/hFG9JK6GIjengF9LajkVNpSQQnsdKyqwPfoy72eMEE8gUfQ3QzY jTKuw28HswrA+p5dY7auy7ZYXh1XD/56lh2oLunaAWpdRcBEEN+35Ut0OQdiGKrXghpo DHlG6mupSRnOPd2GrprujziWEcAZe5JrFLmBdVZIeRJzJjbBzpD/JljSEtjiSUCfikWH aM4yCtqmfgPVNcXOiD0pAbgA8FLoCNyUswxeChLPCZbtkiivLzQfp2F5zGrC00k+b0mf lke0TK2Tg2FiAysOnAEilJ3Iwt2Mc1Hglqb3vKLptYJ7ACajGkpNQFqWQ8p391zFKQwY tR5A== Received: by 10.52.20.138 with SMTP id n10mr2772380vde.129.1345777451030; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:04:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.190.227 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:03:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5036EE2E.4040606@FreeBSD.org> References: <97612B57-1255-4BB3-A6D3-FC74324C6D67@FreeBSD.org> <785B5BAD-E015-4624-B3A1-D05E1BD97E51@freebsd.org> <5AC662AA-4874-4BC2-9862-65518B79B840@freebsd.org> <5036EE2E.4040606@FreeBSD.org> From: Eitan Adler Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:03:40 -0400 Message-ID: To: Doug Barton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm3Css5XzWYFpdTwYXG0gAq17vENYBHijI/uPajaa3MfPfUbIiKcD1yM4cIqEEv5TlWZcqw Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Steve Wills , Baptiste Daroussin , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:04:12 -0000 On 23 August 2012 22:59, Doug Barton wrote: > No, POLA refers to not changing long-established practices out from > under the user. forget pola > > I tend to agree with Steve here ... we can't be responsible for other > people's poorly written docs. This isn't about poorly written docs. This is the user expecting a tool to exist, which doesn't. Take another example of a sysadmin which rarely installs new systems, installs FreeBSD for the third time, and then gets confused when "pkg install vim" fails. > You bring up a valid point that we should > keep in mind for our own however. The bootstrapping issue will be the > smallest possible annoyance on a long road of the migration process. The bootstrapping issue is a factor even after the migration :) > OTOH this is a good use case for the "prompt the user when they type a > command for something that can be installed from ports" idea. :) even this is fine, provided that *for the command called pkg* it is on by default. note that I'm not talking about the mechanism here, I'm trying to avoid "pkg doesn't seem to be installed on my fresh system" becoming a FAQ. -- Eitan Adler