From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 21 12:46:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA621065670; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:46:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [65.122.17.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21A58FC0C; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:46:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bigwig.baldwin.cx (bigwig.baldwin.cx [96.47.65.170]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A70B746B06; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:46:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from John-Baldwins-MacBook-Air.local (unknown [50.128.51.150]) by bigwig.baldwin.cx (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D0B31B99D; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:45:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4EF1D507.7040402@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:45:59 -0500 From: John Baldwin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Barton References: <201111291946.pATJkHMs064094@svn.freebsd.org> <20111220171740.X1005@besplex.bde.org> <8CCE4DDE-B203-42FF-A2FA-9106403DE077@FreeBSD.org> <201112200908.57306.jhb@freebsd.org> <4EF13F23.9060601@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4EF13F23.9060601@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (bigwig.baldwin.cx); Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:46:00 -0500 (EST) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:49:50 +0000 Cc: src-committers@freebsd.org, Garrett Cooper , Max Khon , svn-src-all@freebsd.org, David Chisnall , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=E1bor_K=F6vesd=E1n?= , Bruce Evans , svn-src-head@freebsd.org, Warner Losh Subject: Re: svn commit: r228143 - in head: . share/mk tools/build/options X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:46:01 -0000 On 12/20/11 9:06 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > On 12/20/2011 06:08, John Baldwin wrote: >> The defaults for src.conf should be for the common case > > Agreed. The problem we seem to be missing here is that developers are > not even statistically significant in measuring "the common case." Users using freebsd-update don't care (they aren't building the world). Having the profiled libraries installed does not negatively impact users. However, it requires extra effort for application developers (not necessarily just kernel developers) who want to profile the applications they are working on. I think application developers is a larger portion of our userbase than you are allowing for. However, that notwithstanding, profiled libraries are not actually costing users anything (except for ones who build world by hand), but removing them from default installs does remove functionality. -- John Baldwin