From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Mar 7 1:29:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from student.rug.ac.be (student.rug.ac.be [157.193.88.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3840D14BE9 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 01:29:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from frank@zeus.rug.ac.be) Received: from zeus.rug.ac.be (frank@zeus.rug.ac.be [157.193.41.38]) by student.rug.ac.be (8.9.2/(Zeus-WPI)) with ESMTP id KAA25904 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:29:23 +0100 (CET) Received: (from frank@localhost) by zeus.rug.ac.be (8.9.2/8.9.2/ZeusWPI) id KAA10718 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:29:22 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:29:22 +0100 From: Frank Louwers To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: [newbie]: freebsd on ibm thinkpad Message-ID: <19990307102922.A10601@zeuswpi.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i X-Useless-Header: this is a very stupid bandwith consuming line X-Operating-System: Unix Forever! Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My father recently got a new ThinkPad, so I get the old one :-) It is a ThinkPad 760CD, with 5 GB HD and 56 MB RAM. I want to install FreeBSD on it. As the webpages are a bit vague, I want to ask a few things: 1) Any general problems concerning thinkpads and freebsd? (i did a search on excite, but all it gave me were Japanese sites) 2) How stable is de pccard support? I am not talking about exotic things, but just a plain 3Com networkcard, a modem, and mayby a flashcard from time to time. Is it possible to install freebsd with the 3COM card (ftp install)? Hot swappable? 3) You have your own bootmanager. I know the IBM BootManager is very good, and have enough OS/2 licences to put one on it. Which do you advise me to use? 4) APM stuff: I am afraid the "Hibernation" function will not work? How about normal suspends and resumes? 5) There is a mwave sound/modem chip in it. I have read on some ThinkPad/Linux pages that they are able to use the modem and soundcard (SoundBlaster emulation), if they first boot to dos, load the dos-drivers and then boot Linux (does FreeBSD has something like loadlinux to "boot" freebsd from within dos?). Any news/info on doing the same on FreeBSD? 6) I was thinking about going for the 3.1 stable version. Are there any advantages/disadvantages in taking 4.0-CURRENT? Thanks in advance, Frank PS: I am a freebsd on mobile newbie, not Unix newbie :-) -- /----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Frank Louwers (frank@zeuswpi.org) | | | | Vice President System Administrator | | ZeusWPI - IT workgroup Master in Unix Administration | | http://www.zeuswpi.org/ | | | | "Berkely brought us two things: | | Unix and LSD. This is believed not to be a coincidence ..." | | | \----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Mar 7 9:43:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rainey.blueneptune.com (rainey.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DDE614D2A for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:43:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Received: from SoftOrchestra.com (ppp119.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.119]) by rainey.blueneptune.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA21104; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:41:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Message-ID: <36E2BA62.27A67461@SoftOrchestra.com> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 09:41:54 -0800 From: Alan DuBoff Organization: Software Orchestration, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 i86pc) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Louwers Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [newbie]: freebsd on ibm thinkpad References: <19990307102922.A10601@zeuswpi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org First, let me preface this with that I am fairly new to FreeBSD also, and don't have everything setup properly yet, but it's getting together. Frank Louwers wrote: > My father recently got a new ThinkPad, so I get the old one :-) It is a > ThinkPad 760CD, with 5 GB HD and 56 MB RAM. That'll work fine. > 1) Any general problems concerning thinkpads and freebsd? (i did a search on > excite, but all it gave me were Japanese sites) A lot of the support for the pccard was done in Japan, and you will notice that there is really good support for Japanese with FreeBSD, as it is pretty popular over there. There is a lot of information in general on the FreeBSD web site in the Tutorials and FAQ. > 2) How stable is de pccard support? I am not talking about exotic things, but > just a plain 3Com networkcard, a modem, and mayby a flashcard from time to > time. Is it possible to install freebsd with the 3COM card (ftp install)? > Hot swappable? I think it's ok. You must recompile the kernel to add it, and of course edit the configuration file, but it seems to work good. > 3) You have your own bootmanager. I know the IBM BootManager is very good, and > have enough OS/2 licences to put one on it. Which do you advise me to use? FreeBSD's BootManager (Boot Easy???) is actually very friendly, it's one of the few that will let you go both ways with IBM's Boot Manager. IOW, I have that set on my computer, and the FreeBSD BootManager comes up, I can select either one of the boot partitions or IBM's Boot Manager, which will let me select the FreeBSD Boot Manager if I like, so it truely works in both directions, one of the few that does. I would say FreeBSD is one of the most friendly BootManagers. Win is the worst, with Solaris x86 following closely in non-friendliness with other partitions, and LILO (Linux's BootManager) being fairly friendly also. OS/2's Boot Manager and FreeBSD are the most friendly I've found. > 4) APM stuff: I am afraid the "Hibernation" function will not work? How about > normal suspends and resumes? Don't have mine enabled right now. I've seen some problems, not to Thinkpads in general, but didn't want to introduce anymore problems. > 5) There is a mwave sound/modem chip in it. I have read on some ThinkPad/Linux > pages that they are able to use the modem and soundcard (SoundBlaster > emulation), if they first boot to dos, load the dos-drivers and then boot > Linux (does FreeBSD has something like loadlinux to "boot" freebsd from within > dos?). Any news/info on doing the same on FreeBSD? No, no MWave modem driver. MWave is very similar to a WinModem, it handles a lot of the work in software. The good news is that IBM has made a statement with Linux that they will be releasing the technical specs for it so that people can write drivers for it. That is a step in the right direction, but it will take time. I have a Motorola Montana PCMCIA modem which is working with the pccard drivers. > 6) I was thinking about going for the 3.1 stable version. Are there any > advantages/disadvantages in taking 4.0-CURRENT? I am not sure, I'm running 2.2.8-release. I know the 3.x includes SMP support, which I don't need on my Thinkpad. 2.2.8 was just released in December, so it's pretty current. I'll send you a XF86Config file that you can use on your laptop for 1024x768 resolution, and it will work on the LCD and external monitor (in combination, so you can switch with the keyboard). It should work fine for you, I have a 765D, a bit newer model, but I think the video is the same...a Trident Cyber 9385. If not, change the driver and use the screen scan numbers. Lastly, FreeBSD is probably one of the best OSs I've used on the Thinkpad. The distribution CDs I got have all the latest software on it, very up to date. In retro, I recently got a Red Hat 5.2 CD from LinuxWorld and was looking on it, of course much of the stuff was outdated, like Communicator 4.07 (FreeBSD has Communicator 4.5), stuff like that. The ports are beautiful, they gunzip source to your hard disk, configure it, compile it, install it, they are really a work of art. -- Alan DuBoff - Conductor Software Orchestration, Inc. aland@SoftOrchestra.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Mar 7 17:56:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95B914DBA for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 17:56:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id KAA03052; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:54:43 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36E32CB4.DB219B35@newsguy.com> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 10:49:40 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Louwers Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [newbie]: freebsd on ibm thinkpad References: <19990307102922.A10601@zeuswpi.org> <36E2BA62.27A67461@SoftOrchestra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > 6) I was thinking about going for the 3.1 stable version. Are there any > > advantages/disadvantages in taking 4.0-CURRENT? YES! There are _huge_ disadvantages. 4.0-CURRENT is *experimental* software. It is *not* intended for general use. It is the *development* tree used by FreeBSD *developers*, and which just happens to be available to anyone else. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "FreeBSD is Yoda, Linux is Luke Skywalker." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Mar 7 20:26:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from blackie.cruzers.com (cruzers.com [205.215.232.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F9B14DE3 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:26:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkulp@board66.cruzers.com) Received: from board66.cruzers.com (board66.cruzers.com [205.215.233.66]) by blackie.cruzers.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14603 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:39:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dkulp@localhost) by board66.cruzers.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id UAA04002; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:25:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:25:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903080425.UAA04002@board66.cruzers.com> From: David Kulp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: compatibility list X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was thinking of setting up a simple web page listing success or failure with FreeBSD on different laptops. I know there's the PAO list, but the last time I checked it hadn't been updated lately, and I'm also interested in running FBSD without PAO -- which typically isn't needed. I know my biggest concern 1 1/2 yrs ago when buying my last laptop was whether I could get FBSD running, if I could use PCMCIA ethernet cards on a cardbus machine, etc. Am I duplicating effort here? Good idea? Bad? -d To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 3:26:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from fep2-orange.clear.net.nz (fep2-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D6014E37 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 03:26:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jabley@buddha.clear.net.nz) Received: from buddha.clear.net.nz (buddha.clear.net.nz [192.168.24.106]) by fep2-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.9) with ESMTP id AAA06338; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:25:54 +1300 (NZDT) Received: (from jabley@localhost) by buddha.clear.net.nz (8.9.2/8.9.1) id AAA95498; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:25:53 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from jabley) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:25:53 +1300 From: Joe Abley To: David Kulp Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, jabley@clear.co.nz Subject: Re: compatibility list Message-ID: <19990309002553.A95453@clear.co.nz> References: <199903080425.UAA04002@board66.cruzers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199903080425.UAA04002@board66.cruzers.com>; from David Kulp on Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 08:25:52PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 08:25:52PM -0800, David Kulp wrote: > I was thinking of setting up a simple web page listing success or > failure with FreeBSD on different laptops. I know there's the PAO > list, but the last time I checked it hadn't been updated lately, and > I'm also interested in running FBSD without PAO -- which typically > isn't needed. > > I know my biggest concern 1 1/2 yrs ago when buying my last laptop was > whether I could get FBSD running, if I could use PCMCIA ethernet cards > on a cardbus machine, etc. > > Am I duplicating effort here? Good idea? Bad? Good :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 6: 5:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from copland.udel.edu (copland.udel.edu [128.175.13.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70EE314EFC for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 06:05:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from earnoth@UDel.Edu) Received: from lapdog.duch.udel.edu (lapdog.duch.udel.edu [128.175.54.5]) by copland.udel.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17883 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:05:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:08:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Eric I. Arnoth" X-Sender: earnoth@lapdog.duch.udel.edu To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-Reply-To: <19990309002553.A95453@clear.co.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Joe Abley wrote: > On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 08:25:52PM -0800, David Kulp wrote: > > I was thinking of setting up a simple web page listing success or > > failure with FreeBSD on different laptops. I know there's the PAO > > list, but the last time I checked it hadn't been updated lately, and > > I'm also interested in running FBSD without PAO -- which typically > > isn't needed. > > > > I know my biggest concern 1 1/2 yrs ago when buying my last laptop was > > whether I could get FBSD running, if I could use PCMCIA ethernet cards > > on a cardbus machine, etc. > > > > Am I duplicating effort here? Good idea? Bad? > > Good :) I would agree. I just got a new laptop three weeks ago, and had to spend considerable time researching to make sure I didn't make the same mistake as when I bought my previous laptop, a Compaq (ick!). I wish a more up-to-date site like you want to make had been available when I needed to make my choice. What I ended up doing was looking at the old PAO list and saying, "Hm, there's a lot of Toshibas listed here, that *should* be okay". I also harassed this list (as many of you may recall) with excellent responses for which I am very thankful. In fact, here's your first entry: Toshiba Satellite 4010CDS User: Eric I. Arnoth Email: earnoth@udel.edu Version FreeBSD installed: 3.1 Release Date installed: February 12, 1999 Problems encountered: none (God bless Toshiba :) Notes: Split hard-drive to retain pre-installed Windows98 (not by choice, who said MS wasn't a monopoly?) using FIPS. Install completed within 30 minutes via 10BaseT line, installed all 150+ ports used in previous system over the course of 3 hours. XFree86 needed to be configured via xsetup, after some tinkering, the proper 800x600 display was set. Kernel was reconfigured to support sound, apm, pccards and additional swap space. Wmmixer doesn't seem to work right (config issues?), and the CD will not open while empty when wmcdplay is running, but the drive has a button to over-ride software locks. Hot plugging *seems* to work, but there appear to be some issues at present when X is running. Waiting for IR support. (Toshiba released the specs! :) Battery life is excellent. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 6:38:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (smtp2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597A514EA5 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 06:38:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from v_due@mindspring.com) Received: from mindspring.com (user-2ivf05j.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.128.179]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03110 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:38:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36E3E12E.676EBF6C@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:39:42 -0500 From: "Mike D." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: ThinkPad wonkyness Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello list, I am having a bit of trouble trying to install FreeBSD-3.1-RELEASE onto my TP755C. In the research that I have done, I have found that you need to set 'flags sc0 0x10' in order to have the keyboard behave correctly. Unfortunately, this does not have the desired effect on my TP. ie: the keyboard still doesn't work properly. It does, however, work with boot-pao.flp for 2.2.7 (although it also works for 2.2.8, my LinkSys Ether Fast doesn't work) So, in effect, I have two problems. The first being the keyboard, the second being that ed seems to have changed from 2.2.7. If anyone con point me to the proper location to see how to fix this, I'd appreciate it. Best regards, Mike DuFresne To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 10:17:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from psasolar.colltech.com (psasolar.colltech.com [208.229.236.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE0D14DA7 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:17:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from elakin@colltech.com) Received: (from elakin@localhost) by psasolar.colltech.com (VER/What/1.0) id MAA03815 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:17:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19990308121708.F6437@psasolar.colltech.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:17:08 -0600 From: Eric Lakin To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: 3.1R and pccards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93 X-Disclaimer: Yow! Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Recently i decided to upgrade my vaio 505 to 3.1R from 3.0-stable (circa 01/99). However, pcic detection problems have forced me to downgrade to 2.2.8R (the only other media i had on-hand). Basically, the pccard controler is being seen twice by the kernel. On bootup, a controller with a single slot is found, and allocated an IRQ. Later in the boot process, the controller is "found" again, and allocated a second IRQ. When my 3Com ethernet card is in the slot and i run "pccardc dumpcis", it appears that there are 2 slots, each with the exact same ethernet card. However, the card DOES work. The main problem occurs when suspending - the machine can be suspended and resumed once, but the second suspend freezes the machine. Console messages indicate that it freezes when trying to unload the slot1 drivers. This has been reported in the gnats database under : http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=10282 But has this been resolved in 3.1-STABLE? Or a workaround (besides not using pccards) been found? I'll be happy to re-load 3.1 to debug if it'll help someone fix the prob. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 10:29:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from dominator.eecs.harvard.edu (dominator.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F10514F6A for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:29:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from karp@eecs.harvard.edu) Received: (from karp@localhost) by dominator.eecs.harvard.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA20188; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:29:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:29:15 -0500 From: Brad Karp Message-Id: <199903081829.NAA20188@dominator.eecs.harvard.edu> To: elakin@psasolar.colltech.com Subject: Re: 3.1R and pccards Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I had the same problem with 3.1R. The cause: the pccard code is incorrectly instantiated and initialized _twice_ in your kernel. One time, the statically included pccard code in the kernel does it. The second time (this is the part new in 3.1R), if pccard support is turned on in /etc/rc.conf, the startup rc scripts load a dynamically loadable kernel module containing the _same_ pccard code. Needless to say, there should only be one instance of this code in yoru kernel. For me, the fix was to build a kernel _without_ statically included pccard code. In other words, *remove* the following lines from your kernel config file: device pcic0 at card? device pcic1 at card? (You should still leave the "controller card0" line, though. The resulting kernel will operate correctly with the dynamically loaded pccard support module. This glitch probably is important enough to deserve mention in the 3.1R ERRATA file, right? -Brad, karp@eecs.harvard.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 10:45:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from fxp.dhs.org (cx19313-a.nwptn1.va.home.com [24.2.49.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3243C14DA7 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:45:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jedgar@fxp.dhs.org) Received: from earth.fxp.dhs.org (jedgar@earth.fxp.dhs.org [192.168.1.21]) by fxp.dhs.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA22720; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:44:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jedgar@fxp.dhs.org) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:44:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Chris D. Faulhaber" To: Eric Lakin Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.1R and pccards In-Reply-To: <19990308121708.F6437@psasolar.colltech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eric, I had the same problem w/my laptop. It seems that if you compile static support and _don't_ load the pcic kld, my controller wouldn't recognize any pccards. If you have compile static support _and_ load the pcic kld, the controllers were seen twice, cards in the slots at boot-time worked, but inserting/removing cards wouldn't register. Finally, without static support and loading the pcic kld (from rc.pccard) seems to work great. -------------------------------------------------------------- | All the true gurus I've met never | Chris D. Faulhaber | | claimed they were one, and always | | | pointed to someone better. | | -------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 10:46:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD98514EE0 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:45:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA85746; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:45:30 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA41231; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:45:26 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199903081845.UAA41231@greenpeace.grondar.za> To: Eric Lakin Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3.1R and pccards In-Reply-To: Your message of " Mon, 08 Mar 1999 12:17:08 CST." <19990308121708.F6437@psasolar.colltech.com> References: <19990308121708.F6437@psasolar.colltech.com> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 20:45:24 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eric Lakin wrote: > Basically, the pccard controler is being seen twice by the kernel. On bootup, > a controller with a single slot is found, and allocated an IRQ. Later in the > boot process, the controller is "found" again, and allocated a second IRQ. Wh en > my 3Com ethernet card is in the slot and i run "pccardc dumpcis", it appears > that there are 2 slots, each with the exact same ethernet card. However, the > card DOES work. The main problem occurs when suspending - the machine can be > suspended and resumed once, but the second suspend freezes the machine. Conso le > messages indicate that it freezes when trying to unload the slot1 drivers. This is my mistake. You have two options; remove the pcic line from your kernel config file or hack out the "kldload pcic" stuff from /etc/rc.pccard. I'm going to commit a repair RSN. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 11:32:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from general1.consumersedge.com (mail.personalogic.com [208.213.67.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F1915360; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:31:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dshanes@personalogic.com) Received: from SHANES1 by general1.consumersedge.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1460.8) id GJ1KZPJS; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:29:45 -0800 Message-ID: <09f501be699a$600b0e90$1d43a8c0@shanes1.personalogic.com> From: "David Shanes" To: "Patrick Seal" , , Subject: Re: Laptop Locks up on reboot Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:32:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I also have a Dell Latitude CPi. I started to install a couple of times (3.1R) but had to quit due to some problems that I am trying to resolve. When I try to quit sysinstall, the screen just locks up. The only recourse that I have is to pull my battery. David _____________________________________________________ David Shanes 7535 Metropolitan Drive dshanes@personalogic.com San Diego, CA 92108 Software Developer (619) 220-5800 x228 PersonaLogic, Inc. (619) 220-5899 (fax) http://www.PersonaLogic.com The big news: http://www.personalogic.com/home/press/prs_releaseAOL.stm -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Seal To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG ; freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 2:37 PM Subject: Laptop Locks up on reboot >My Dell Latitude CPi locks up during: > ># reboot (which includes Ctrl-Alt-Del) ># shutdown -h now (and pressing any key to reboot) > >It's just an annoyance, but is therefore annoying. The only way to get it >to turn of is to take the battery out while it's still running (not a >pleasant thing to think about). > >I can still just `shutdown -h now` and turn off the power, but if I >accidently push a button the damn thing locks up! > >I can't exactly remember when this started happening, the laptop has >always been running at least 3.0-RELEASE. It's now tracking stable. > > >------------------------------------ _____________________________________ >Patrick Seal |"Microsoft isn't evil, they just make > | really crappy operating systems." >Hyperhost - http://www.hyperhost.net| -Linus Torvalds >hosting and Design > >http://www.freebsd.org - http://www.linux.org > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 12:30:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.skylink.it (ns.skylink.it [194.177.113.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD9714F3B for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:30:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Dirk.vanGulik@jrc.it) Received: from kim.ispra.webweaving.org (va-134.skylink.it [194.177.113.134]) by ns.skylink.it (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA24270; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:29:27 +0100 Received: from jrc.it (toeticky.ispra.webweaving.org [10.0.0.13]) by kim.ispra.webweaving.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA10757; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:24:59 GMT X-Passed: MX on Ispra.WebWeaving.org Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:24:59 GMT and masked X-No-Spam: Neither the receipients nor the senders email address(s) are to be used for Unsolicited (Commercial) Email without the explicit written consent of either party; as a per-message fee is incurred for inbound and outbound traffic to the originator. Posted-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:24:59 GMT Message-ID: <36E430FD.B4CB7369@jrc.it> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 21:20:14 +0100 From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik Reply-To: Dirk.vanGulik@jrc.it Organization: EWSE Development team - ISIS/STA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: zh,de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mike D." Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ThinkPad wonkyness References: <36E3E12E.676EBF6C@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Mike D." wrote: > I am having a bit of trouble trying to install FreeBSD-3.1-RELEASE > onto my TP755C. In the research that I have done, I have found that you > need to set 'flags sc0 0x10' in order to have the keyboard behave > correctly. Unfortunately, this does not have the desired effect on my > TP. ie: the keyboard still doesn't work properly. Does that flag have the same effect as the double scan code flag ? As I found that to be a reason in the past as how to get a plain BSD to work on a thinkpad when pao would work out of the box. Dw. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 12:31:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.skylink.it (ns.skylink.it [194.177.113.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFBC14F9E for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:31:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Dirk.vanGulik@jrc.it) Received: from kim.ispra.webweaving.org (va-134.skylink.it [194.177.113.134]) by ns.skylink.it (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA24306; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:30:32 +0100 Received: from jrc.it (toeticky.ispra.webweaving.org [10.0.0.13]) by kim.ispra.webweaving.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA10737; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:13:00 GMT X-Passed: MX on Ispra.WebWeaving.org Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:13:00 GMT and masked X-No-Spam: Neither the receipients nor the senders email address(s) are to be used for Unsolicited (Commercial) Email without the explicit written consent of either party; as a per-message fee is incurred for inbound and outbound traffic to the originator. Posted-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:13:00 GMT Message-ID: <36E42E2F.3FF17C8B@jrc.it> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 21:08:15 +0100 From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik Reply-To: Dirk.vanGulik@jrc.it Organization: EWSE Development team - ISIS/STA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: zh,de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Abley Cc: David Kulp , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list References: <199903080425.UAA04002@board66.cruzers.com> <19990309002553.A95453@clear.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joe Abley wrote: > On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 08:25:52PM -0800, David Kulp wrote: > > I was thinking of setting up a simple web page listing success or > > failure with FreeBSD on different laptops. I know there's the PAO > > list, but the last time I checked it hadn't been updated lately, and Hmm.. even though it might seem a bit behind date wise; the lead Japan has seems big enough; I hardly ever cannot find a piece of hardware from our procurement not on that list. Dw. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 13: 8:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from blackie.cruzers.com (cruzers.com [205.215.232.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468D415543 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:08:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkulp@board66.cruzers.com) Received: from board66.cruzers.com (board66.cruzers.com [205.215.233.66]) by blackie.cruzers.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03550; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:21:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dkulp@localhost) by board66.cruzers.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id NAA07727; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:07:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:07:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903082107.NAA07727@board66.cruzers.com> From: David Kulp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Dirk.vanGulik@jrc.it Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-Reply-To: <36E42E2F.3FF17C8B@jrc.it> References: <199903080425.UAA04002@board66.cruzers.com> <19990309002553.A95453@clear.co.nz> <36E42E2F.3FF17C8B@jrc.it> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My main concern is that the PAO list is, well, PAO focussed. Also, I thought that my resource could be a little more 'chatty' allowing people to share more details about FreeBSD and their laptop. I know from experience that I you can spent *a lot* of time trying to get things configured properly. I plan to have on a single web page some useful links to video and pcmcia card info on laptops, the PAO survey, the XF86Config archive, and a list of submitted data points on FreeBSD. If nothing else, it might be more useful than searching the mailing list archive. I have very little luck finding what I'm looking for using the freebsd.org search tool. -d Dirk-Willem van Gulik writes: > > > Joe Abley wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 08:25:52PM -0800, David Kulp wrote: > > > > I was thinking of setting up a simple web page listing success or > > > failure with FreeBSD on different laptops. I know there's the PAO > > > list, but the last time I checked it hadn't been updated lately, and > > Hmm.. even though it might seem a bit behind date wise; the lead Japan > has seems big enough; I hardly ever cannot find a piece of hardware from > our procurement not on that list. > > Dw. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 13:59:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8C4159BD; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:59:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA01111; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:29:12 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id IAA17124; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:29:10 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19990309082910.B490@lemis.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:29:10 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: David Shanes , Patrick Seal , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Laptop Locks up on reboot References: <09f501be699a$600b0e90$1d43a8c0@shanes1.personalogic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <09f501be699a$600b0e90$1d43a8c0@shanes1.personalogic.com>; from David Shanes on Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 11:32:16AM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, 8 March 1999 at 11:32:16 -0800, David Shanes wrote: > On Tuesday, March 02, 1999 2:37 PM, Patrick Seal wrote: >> My Dell Latitude CPi locks up during: >> >> # reboot (which includes Ctrl-Alt-Del) >> # shutdown -h now (and pressing any key to reboot) >> >> It's just an annoyance, but is therefore annoying. The only way to get it >> to turn of is to take the battery out while it's still running (not a >> pleasant thing to think about). >> >> I can still just `shutdown -h now` and turn off the power, but if I >> accidently push a button the damn thing locks up! >> >> I can't exactly remember when this started happening, the laptop has >> always been running at least 3.0-RELEASE. It's now tracking stable. > > I also have a Dell Latitude CPi. I started to install a couple of times > (3.1R) but had to quit due to some problems that I am trying to resolve. > When I try to quit sysinstall, the screen just locks up. The only recourse > that I have is to pull my battery. I don't have one myself, but a contact at Dell suggests holding down the power button for more than 8 seconds. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 14: 4:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from darkstar.inetu.net (darkstar.inetu.net [207.18.13.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C6915AB4; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:04:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kerberus@inetu.net) Received: from inetu.net (root@localhost.inetu.net [127.0.0.1]) by darkstar.inetu.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02342; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:03:45 GMT (envelope-from kerberus@inetu.net) Message-ID: <36E402F0.AD89A3D3@inetu.net> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 17:03:45 +0000 From: Kerberus Reply-To: kerberus@inetu.net Organization: INetU, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: David Shanes , Patrick Seal , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Laptop Locks up on reboot References: <09f501be699a$600b0e90$1d43a8c0@shanes1.personalogic.com> <19990309082910.B490@lemis.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------62A2ACDC8B1744C531AE747E" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------62A2ACDC8B1744C531AE747E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Id have to agree my CTX does similiar at times, it will shutdown but not reboot sometimes, other times it resets fine..... Greg Lehey wrote: > On Monday, 8 March 1999 at 11:32:16 -0800, David Shanes wrote: > > > On Tuesday, March 02, 1999 2:37 PM, Patrick Seal wrote: > >> My Dell Latitude CPi locks up during: > >> > >> # reboot (which includes Ctrl-Alt-Del) > >> # shutdown -h now (and pressing any key to reboot) > >> > >> It's just an annoyance, but is therefore annoying. The only way to get it > >> to turn of is to take the battery out while it's still running (not a > >> pleasant thing to think about). > >> > >> I can still just `shutdown -h now` and turn off the power, but if I > >> accidently push a button the damn thing locks up! > >> > >> I can't exactly remember when this started happening, the laptop has > >> always been running at least 3.0-RELEASE. It's now tracking stable. > > > > I also have a Dell Latitude CPi. I started to install a couple of times > > (3.1R) but had to quit due to some problems that I am trying to resolve. > > When I try to quit sysinstall, the screen just locks up. The only recourse > > that I have is to pull my battery. > > I don't have one myself, but a contact at Dell suggests holding down > the power button for more than 8 seconds. > > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers > finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- OhhhNooooo --------------62A2ACDC8B1744C531AE747E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Id have to agree my CTX does similiar at times, it will shutdown but not reboot sometimes, other times it resets fine.....

Greg Lehey wrote:

On Monday,  8 March 1999 at 11:32:16 -0800, David Shanes wrote:

> On Tuesday, March 02, 1999 2:37 PM, Patrick Seal <patseal@hyperhost.net> wrote:
>> My Dell Latitude CPi locks up during:
>>
>> # reboot (which includes Ctrl-Alt-Del)
>> # shutdown -h now (and pressing any key to reboot)
>>
>> It's just an annoyance, but is therefore annoying.  The only way to get it
>> to turn of is to take the battery out while it's still running (not a
>> pleasant thing to think about).
>>
>> I can still just `shutdown -h now` and turn off the power, but if I
>> accidently push a button the damn thing locks up!
>>
>> I can't exactly remember when this started happening, the laptop has
>> always been running at least 3.0-RELEASE.  It's now tracking stable.
>
>     I also have a Dell Latitude CPi. I started to install a couple of times
> (3.1R) but had to quit due to some problems that I am trying to resolve.
> When I try to quit sysinstall, the screen just locks up. The only recourse
> that I have is to pull my battery.

I don't have one myself, but a contact at Dell suggests holding down
the power button for more than 8 seconds.

Greg
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  --------------62A2ACDC8B1744C531AE747E-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 14:15:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from hyperhost.net (ether.lightrealm.com [207.159.132.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1411543C; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:15:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patseal@hyperhost.net) Received: from port5.annex8.radix.net (port5.annex8.radix.net [205.252.108.5]) by hyperhost.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26190; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:14:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:14:14 -0500 (EST) From: Patrick Seal To: Greg Lehey Cc: David Shanes , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Laptop Locks up on reboot In-Reply-To: <19990309082910.B490@lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I don't have one myself, but a contact at Dell suggests holding down > the power button for more than 8 seconds. Thanks Greg, but it didn't work for me. Can anyone tell me what could have changed since 3.0R that would cause this reboot problem to surface? Thanks, ------------------------------------ _____________________________________ Patrick Seal |"Microsoft isn't evil, they just make | really crappy operating systems." Hyperhost - http://www.hyperhost.net| -Linus Torvalds hosting and Design http://www.freebsd.org - http://www.linux.org On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Monday, 8 March 1999 at 11:32:16 -0800, David Shanes wrote: > > > On Tuesday, March 02, 1999 2:37 PM, Patrick Seal wrote: > >> My Dell Latitude CPi locks up during: > >> > >> # reboot (which includes Ctrl-Alt-Del) > >> # shutdown -h now (and pressing any key to reboot) > >> > >> It's just an annoyance, but is therefore annoying. The only way to get it > >> to turn of is to take the battery out while it's still running (not a > >> pleasant thing to think about). > >> > >> I can still just `shutdown -h now` and turn off the power, but if I > >> accidently push a button the damn thing locks up! > >> > >> I can't exactly remember when this started happening, the laptop has > >> always been running at least 3.0-RELEASE. It's now tracking stable. > > > > I also have a Dell Latitude CPi. I started to install a couple of times > > (3.1R) but had to quit due to some problems that I am trying to resolve. > > When I try to quit sysinstall, the screen just locks up. The only recourse > > that I have is to pull my battery. > > I don't have one myself, but a contact at Dell suggests holding down > the power button for more than 8 seconds. > > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers > finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 14:39:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from sloth.cs.unm.edu (sloth.cs.unm.edu [198.59.151.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8239B14EE1; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:38:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from colinj@cs.unm.edu) Received: from waimea.cs.unm.edu ([198.83.92.103]) by sloth.cs.unm.edu with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10K8fK-0002m4-00; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:38:26 -0700 Received: from localhost (colinj@localhost) by waimea.cs.unm.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA89934; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:38:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from colinj@cs.unm.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: waimea.cs.unm.edu: colinj owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:38:17 -0700 From: Colin Eric Johnson To: Patrick Seal Cc: Greg Lehey , David Shanes , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Laptop Locks up on reboot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm having the same problem with my Lattitude (see the similar thread on freebsd-stable) and I've traced it to the ppc and ppbus drivers. If I compile these into the kernel then I get the behavior you are describing. If I build a kernel w/o them then I don't get that behavior. I'm also tracking -STABLE. As to a solution, I don't know, but I would love to hear one. On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Patrick Seal wrote: > > > > I don't have one myself, but a contact at Dell suggests holding down > > the power button for more than 8 seconds. > > Thanks Greg, but it didn't work for me. Can anyone tell me what could > have changed since 3.0R that would cause this reboot problem to surface? > > Thanks, > > ------------------------------------ _____________________________________ > Patrick Seal |"Microsoft isn't evil, they just make > | really crappy operating systems." > Hyperhost - http://www.hyperhost.net| -Linus Torvalds > hosting and Design > > http://www.freebsd.org - http://www.linux.org > > > On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > On Monday, 8 March 1999 at 11:32:16 -0800, David Shanes wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday, March 02, 1999 2:37 PM, Patrick Seal wrote: > > >> My Dell Latitude CPi locks up during: > > >> > > >> # reboot (which includes Ctrl-Alt-Del) > > >> # shutdown -h now (and pressing any key to reboot) > > >> > > >> It's just an annoyance, but is therefore annoying. The only way to get it > > >> to turn of is to take the battery out while it's still running (not a > > >> pleasant thing to think about). > > >> > > >> I can still just `shutdown -h now` and turn off the power, but if I > > >> accidently push a button the damn thing locks up! > > >> > > >> I can't exactly remember when this started happening, the laptop has > > >> always been running at least 3.0-RELEASE. It's now tracking stable. > > > > > > I also have a Dell Latitude CPi. I started to install a couple of times > > > (3.1R) but had to quit due to some problems that I am trying to resolve. > > > When I try to quit sysinstall, the screen just locks up. The only recourse > > > that I have is to pull my battery. > > > > I don't have one myself, but a contact at Dell suggests holding down > > the power button for more than 8 seconds. > > > > Greg > > -- > > See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers > > finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > > > Colin E. Johnson | colinj@unm.edu | http://www.unm.edu/~colinj/ The scum also rises. -- Dr. Hunter S. Thompson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 16: 5: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0021C14F65 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:04:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA61254; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:04:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: David Kulp Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Mar 1999 20:25:52 PST." <199903080425.UAA04002@board66.cruzers.com> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 16:04:32 -0800 Message-ID: <61250.920937872@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I was thinking of setting up a simple web page listing success or > failure with FreeBSD on different laptops. I know there's the PAO > list, but the last time I checked it hadn't been updated lately, and > I'm also interested in running FBSD without PAO -- which typically > isn't needed. Hmmm. Such a page would tell a pretty sad story, which is why I think nobody has tried such a thing yet. :( I have 3 laptops (with various pccards) on which I test FreeBSD on a fairly regular basis, and by all appearances the FreeBSD PCCARD support has continued its gradual de-evolution process in our latest releases, things now having gotten to the point where even the mainstream stuff doesn't work anymore. For an example of what I mean, I just tried to bring up 3.1-RELEASE on a fairly standard Digital HiNote laptop with 3COM 3C589D PCCARD NIC and it failed to work at all. If you power the laptop up with the card inserted, it says "Driver allocation failed for ep0" (or words to that effect, the box not sitting in front of me at the moment) and if you try a hot-insertion, it either completely fails to notice the insertion event at all (this now appearing to be a general problem with pccardd) or it notices but still fails to do anything useful with it. Same setup used to work in 2.2.8, sadly enough. At its current rate of progress(?), I predict that the code will be non-functional enough to simply shoot dead in about 6 more months, allowing us to finally stop pretending that the "mainline" FreeBSD product supports laptop peripherals at all. I can only hope that the PAO people continue to track the state of FreeBSD's mainline releases so that we can at least point people in that direction for the "optional laptop support" add-ons. Bah, Oh Well, etc. - Jordan P.S. People who reply to suggest that the mainline laptop support should "simply be improved and/or merged with the PAO code" will be laughed at for 5 solid minutes before being cheerfully blown into shark chum with sustained, fully-automatic weapons fire. If there were someone available to DO THE WORK involved in actually implementing such a suggestion, it would have been done years ago, trust me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 16:23:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FCE14FEF for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:23:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01474; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:16:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199903090016.QAA01474@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: David Kulp , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Mar 1999 16:04:32 PST." <61250.920937872@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 16:16:51 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have 3 laptops (with various pccards) on which I test FreeBSD on a > fairly regular basis, and by all appearances the FreeBSD PCCARD > support has continued its gradual de-evolution process in our latest > releases, things now having gotten to the point where even the > mainstream stuff doesn't work anymore. For an example of what I mean, > I just tried to bring up 3.1-RELEASE on a fairly standard Digital > HiNote laptop with 3COM 3C589D PCCARD NIC and it failed to work at > all. If you power the laptop up with the card inserted, it says > "Driver allocation failed for ep0" (or words to that effect, the box > not sitting in front of me at the moment) and if you try a > hot-insertion, it either completely fails to notice the insertion > event at all (this now appearing to be a general problem with pccardd) > or it notices but still fails to do anything useful with it. Same > setup used to work in 2.2.8, sadly enough. Yes. And I told you about this fuckup before 3.1 went out, and nothing was done about it. Apart from that, things work as well as they ever have, which is Ok once you understand what's going on, but certainly less than wonderfully. What's killing us is that the laptop market isn't standing still, while we are (modulo occasional total braindeath). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 16:52: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rainey.blueneptune.com (rainey.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCD614EED for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:52:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Received: from bel-aduboff (ws-209-233-228-201.isrworld.com [209.233.228.201]) by rainey.blueneptune.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA24898; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:51:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990308164917.009ae540@blueneptune.com> X-Sender: aland@blueneptune.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 16:49:48 -0800 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , David Kulp From: Alan DuBoff Subject: Re: compatibility list Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 04:04 PM 3/8/99 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >Hmmm. Such a page would tell a pretty sad story, which is why I think >nobody has tried such a thing yet. :( Why do you say that Jordan? I've run Solaris x86, Linux 5.1/5.2, and FreeBSD 2.2.8 on my Thinkpad, and by far I have to say that FreeBSD runs the best. It took me a few tries to get the PCMCIA working, but I know have it setup so that it will allow me to use a 3Com 589D, and switch between a Motorola Montana, or Adaptec SCSI (1460A). I haven't done a very complete testing yet, but that part seems to be working fine. >For an example of what I mean, >I just tried to bring up 3.1-RELEASE on a fairly standard Digital >HiNote laptop with 3COM 3C589D PCCARD NIC and it failed to work at >all. If you power the laptop up with the card inserted, it says >"Driver allocation failed for ep0" Could it be that the memory changed by default, that message will come up if you either have something configured incorrectly or have the irq hard coded in the configuration file for the kernel. I haven't tried 3.x yet and not really wanting to as 2.2.8 is running fine for me, and I see no real reason to take a hit on SMP support for a single processor laptop. >(or words to that effect, the box >not sitting in front of me at the moment) and if you try a >hot-insertion, it either completely fails to notice the insertion >event at all (this now appearing to be a general problem with pccardd) >or it notices but still fails to do anything useful with it. Same >setup used to work in 2.2.8, sadly enough. Check the irq settings in the kernel config. I ended up setting mine so that the irq was the same for the two I wanted to hot-plug. Linux is by far the easiest to get working on a laptop, in my experience. It's also my least favorite form of *ix to run on a pc. Without seeing how the config file is for the kernel in 3.1, I can't compare, but it seems that something must have changed by default. I have a hard time believing that the code could regress so much, at least in regards to what you have stated. I know you are much more familiar with the code than I am, but there seems to be something that was changed in which either the pccard didn't change also, or that the pccard changed in some way that exposes these problems. What type of laptops are you running on? Alan DuBoff - Conductor Software Orchestration, Inc. aland@SoftOrchestra.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 17:13:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0041F14F52 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:13:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA61575; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:13:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Mike Smith Cc: David Kulp , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Mar 1999 16:16:51 PST." <199903090016.QAA01474@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 17:13:27 -0800 Message-ID: <61571.920942007@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Yes. And I told you about this fuckup before 3.1 went out, and nothing > was done about it. Sigh. You are simplifying this to an almost childish extent if you think that's the problem here. First off, everything I said in my email about the gradual de-evolution of pccard support had little to do specifically with the issue you and Mark Murray discussed with me before 3.1's release - that was a symptom rather than the disease of general non-support I was speaking of, and my example had nothing to do with even that specific technical problem in any case since I *also* tried this same HiNote/3COM combination with 4.0-current where that problem has ostensibly been fixed. It faired no better. I also dealt with the "double load" problem created by blindly kldloading things, that wasn't the issue either. There are multiple technical problems here, not just one, and that points to a far graver situation of general neglect rather than at any simple last-minute cock-up which could be trivially fixed. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 19:14:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from sloth.cs.unm.edu (sloth.cs.unm.edu [198.59.151.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A9A14CC1 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:14:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from colinj@cs.unm.edu) Received: from waimea.cs.unm.edu ([198.83.92.103]) by sloth.cs.unm.edu with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10KCyI-0004L3-00; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:14:18 -0700 Received: from localhost (colinj@localhost) by waimea.cs.unm.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA23206; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:14:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from colinj@cs.unm.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: waimea.cs.unm.edu: colinj owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:13:50 -0700 From: Colin Eric Johnson To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Mike Smith , David Kulp , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-Reply-To: <61571.920942007@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm going to ask that I be laughed at for the following question but not shot into shark chum. How come the PAO stuff can't/isn't being murged with the mainline FreeBSD source? With that asked I'll stick my neck out a bit more: What can I do (as a fan of FreeBSD, and an owner of a Dell Lattitude) to help the pccard code move forward? Colin E. Johnson | colinj@unm.edu | http://www.unm.edu/~colinj/ The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be. -- Lao Tsu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 19:24:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from netrinsics.com (unknown [202.99.58.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8823D14EDD for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:24:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robinson@netrinsics.com) Received: (from robinson@localhost) by netrinsics.com (8.9.2/8.8.7) id LAA18615; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:11:07 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from robinson) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:11:07 +0800 (CST) From: Michael Robinson Message-Id: <199903090311.LAA18615@netrinsics.com> To: dkulp@neomorphic.com, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com Subject: Re: compatibility list Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <61250.920937872@zippy.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: >P.S. People who reply to suggest that the mainline laptop support >should "simply be improved and/or merged with the PAO code" will be >laughed at for 5 solid minutes before being cheerfully blown into >shark chum with sustained, fully-automatic weapons fire. If there >were someone available to DO THE WORK involved in actually >implementing such a suggestion, it would have been done years ago, >trust me. The mailing list archives have a sad tale to tell on this matter. It is not at all difficult to find places where interested parties and working code have been turned away for failing to meet the gatekeepers' standards for architectural purity. It seems to me that a lot of it can be summarized as follows: "The CORRECT way to implement PC-CARD support is to use dynamic whiz-bang device polyloading. Instead of wasting your time on your crufty hacks, which shall NEVER be allowed to soil the FreeBSD tree, you should work on implementing dynamic whiz-bang device polyloading, because I'm too busy to do it myself." I hacked on the 3.1 PC-CARD support enough to get me back to where I was with 2.2-PAO. It was not rocket science. It was fairly easy to see where the existing 3.1 code was fscked, and what needed to be done to fix it. It probably would only take a few weeks. However, I have been infected by the Bad Attitude. I'm too busy to do it myself. -Michael Robinson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 20:14:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148BC14E3E for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:14:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA08713; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:14:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA03068; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:13:49 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:13:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199903090413.VAA03068@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Colin Eric Johnson Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Mike Smith , David Kulp , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-Reply-To: References: <61571.920942007@zippy.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm going to ask that I be laughed at for the following question but not > shot into shark chum. > > How come the PAO stuff can't/isn't being murged with the mainline FreeBSD > source? Go read the many, many, many responses to this question that are posted about every month or so on the -mobile list in the archives. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 20:17:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B44F14FBF for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:17:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA08758; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:17:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA03115; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:17:23 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:17:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199903090417.VAA03115@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Michael Robinson Cc: dkulp@neomorphic.com, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-Reply-To: <199903090311.LAA18615@netrinsics.com> References: <61250.920937872@zippy.cdrom.com> <199903090311.LAA18615@netrinsics.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The mailing list archives have a sad tale to tell on this matter. > > It is not at all difficult to find places where interested parties and > working code have been turned away for failing to meet the gatekeepers' > standards for architectural purity. Architectural purity? I wouldn't call breaking the ability to run on desktops architectural purity. The problem is that PAO is inherently laptop specific, and that there are no teams of 'interested parties' aside from the PAO code that have donated code. The last code donation I dealt with was from Ted Faber, and lives in /sys/pci/pcic_p.* > I hacked on the 3.1 PC-CARD support enough to get me back to where I was with > 2.2-PAO. It was not rocket science. Try and use this same 'kernel' code on your desktop and watch it fall over. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 21:25:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from netrinsics.com (unknown [210.74.175.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F302B14FF1 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:25:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robinson@netrinsics.com) Received: (from robinson@localhost) by netrinsics.com (8.9.2/8.8.7) id NAA19010 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:20:00 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from robinson) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:20:00 +0800 (CST) From: Michael Robinson Message-Id: <199903090520.NAA19010@netrinsics.com> To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nate Williams writes: >> It is not at all difficult to find places where interested parties and >> working code have been turned away for failing to meet the gatekeepers' >> standards for architectural purity. >> >> I hacked on the 3.1 PC-CARD support enough to get me back to where I was with >> 2.2-PAO. It was not rocket science. > >Try and use this same 'kernel' code on your desktop and watch it fall >over. This pretty much sums up my point. -Michael Robinson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 21:42:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370C514FA9 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:42:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA09296; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:42:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA03312; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:41:59 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:41:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199903090541.WAA03312@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Michael Robinson Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-Reply-To: <199903090520.NAA19010@netrinsics.com> References: <199903090520.NAA19010@netrinsics.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> It is not at all difficult to find places where interested parties and > >> working code have been turned away for failing to meet the gatekeepers' > >> standards for architectural purity. > >> > >> I hacked on the 3.1 PC-CARD support enough to get me back to where I was with > >> 2.2-PAO. It was not rocket science. > > > >Try and use this same 'kernel' code on your desktop and watch it fall > >over. > > This pretty much sums up my point. So, you're saying 'screw the desktop users as long as it works on my laptop'? Kind of a selfish point, ain't it? Whatever makes Michal happy is what the FreeBSD developers should, damn the rest of the users. Sheesh, with users like this, who needs enemies. :) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 21:52:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from warthog.com (warthog.com [207.193.201.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A47CA14FF1 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:52:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chriss@warthog.com) Received: from evolution (chriss@evolution [207.193.201.64]) by warthog.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA14846 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:52:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:52:29 -0600 (CST) From: chris X-Sender: chriss@evolution To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-Reply-To: <199903090541.WAA03312@mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org whats so wrong with the way pao people are doing things, they may not be cutting edge, but i think that things not being included in the offishul releases isnt such a big deal. basically we just need a way to 'make it work'. if thats adding patches after an install, or having to get a boot floppy to see my pcmcia stuff, so be it.. i will stick with my 2.2.8 install for quite a while rather than switch os. -chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 22:26:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D9115127 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:26:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA00514; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:26:05 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00925; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:25:59 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199903090625.IAA00925@greenpeace.grondar.za> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: David Kulp , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: compatibility list In-Reply-To: Your message of " Mon, 08 Mar 1999 16:04:32 PST." <61250.920937872@zippy.cdrom.com> References: <61250.920937872@zippy.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 08:25:55 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > I have 3 laptops (with various pccards) on which I test FreeBSD on a > fairly regular basis, and by all appearances the FreeBSD PCCARD > support has continued its gradual de-evolution process in our latest > releases, things now having gotten to the point where even the > mainstream stuff doesn't work anymore. For an example of what I mean, > I just tried to bring up 3.1-RELEASE on a fairly standard Digital > HiNote laptop with 3COM 3C589D PCCARD NIC and it failed to work at > all. If you power the laptop up with the card inserted, it says > "Driver allocation failed for ep0" (or words to that effect, the box > not sitting in front of me at the moment) and if you try a > hot-insertion, it either completely fails to notice the insertion > event at all (this now appearing to be a general problem with pccardd) > or it notices but still fails to do anything useful with it. Same > setup used to work in 2.2.8, sadly enough. For me, this works rather well (the Ethernet card is ed0, though). 1 out of +-30 inserts will not work. I have problems with a ropey modem whose SIO device is not probed properly. I know its hardware, because a Psion DACOM Gold Card (the real McCoy) works fine. > At its current rate of progress(?), I predict that the code will be > non-functional enough to simply shoot dead in about 6 more months, > allowing us to finally stop pretending that the "mainline" FreeBSD > product supports laptop peripherals at all. I can only hope that the > PAO people continue to track the state of FreeBSD's mainline releases > so that we can at least point people in that direction for the > "optional laptop support" add-ons. Bah, Oh Well, etc. That will be a sad day. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 23:36:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B4614DA2 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:36:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA62412; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:36:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Colin Eric Johnson Cc: Mike Smith , David Kulp , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Mar 1999 20:13:50 MST." Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 23:36:08 -0800 Message-ID: <62408.920964968@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > What can I do (as a fan of FreeBSD, and an owner of a Dell Lattitude) to > help the pccard code move forward? Be a capable Unix programmer who hopefully also understands at least something about the mechanics of the various PCCARD/CARDBUS controllers and range of available cards out there. That's who it would take to get the support code merged from PAO into the mainline on an ongoing basis and also deal with various user reports when it all doesn't work and someone (see above) needs to figure out why. Simple testers we have plenty of. EVERYONE is a tester at this stage. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 23:44:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2146314D9F for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:44:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA62461; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:44:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Michael Robinson Cc: dkulp@neomorphic.com, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Mar 1999 11:11:07 +0800." <199903090311.LAA18615@netrinsics.com> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 23:44:22 -0800 Message-ID: <62457.920965462@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > It is not at all difficult to find places where interested parties and > working code have been turned away for failing to meet the gatekeepers' > standards for architectural purity. I think this somewhat oversimplifies the matter and if we could actually examine some of the bits of code you saw "rejected" at this point, we'd quickly see that they destabilized or even flat-out broke other aspects of our desktop/server support. To contrive an example, if you have 11 funky PCCARD modems which require extensive hacks to sio.c but those hacks are also sort of suspect on account of the fact that they're old and cause "unexplained weirdness" with some types of multi-port serial cards that various ISPs use, are we doing the right thing as an ostensibly server-focused OS to accept those changes? Probably not, at least certainly not unconditionally. The same goes double for some of the scarier patches to wd.c and the network drivers. It's not just a matter of declaring open season in /sys/i386/isa and bringing in PAO, it's a matter of figuring out how to integrate it without breaking something *ELSE* in the process. That's all the "architectural purity" I see being called for here, that and some attempt to avoid a profusion of #ifdefs within the code that make it unreadable to anyone else. WE get all the complaints when things are broken or rendered into unclear spaghetti code, but do folks like you jump to our defense when that happens? Generally not. We just get shot at from both sides, whether we run in one direction or the other or simply try to stay in the middle. :) > I'm too busy to do it myself. I thought as much. Get down to the courtyard, it's time for your appointment with the firing squad. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 8 23:45:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from netrinsics.com (unknown [210.74.179.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993561512D for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:45:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robinson@netrinsics.com) Received: (from robinson@localhost) by netrinsics.com (8.9.2/8.8.7) id PAA19305 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:26:41 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from robinson) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:26:41 +0800 (CST) From: Michael Robinson Message-Id: <199903090726.PAA19305@netrinsics.com> To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nate Williams writes: >> This pretty much sums up my point. > >So, you're saying 'screw the desktop users as long as it works on my >laptop'? Kind of a selfish point, ain't it? Whatever makes Michal >happy is what the FreeBSD developers should, damn the rest of the users. Actually, my point was about the shortage of non-committers who are interested in helping with the PC-CARD code. >Sheesh, with users like this, who needs enemies. :) Again, case in point. -Michael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Mar 9 0:20:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from schooner.svjava.com (schooner.svjava.com [204.75.228.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460DF14D5E for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:20:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kozowski@svjava.com) Received: (from kozowski@localhost) by schooner.svjava.com (8.9.1a/svjava.com) id AAA23708 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:19:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:19:50 -0800 From: Eric Kozowski To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 3.1R and pccard woes Message-ID: <19990309001950.A23684@haydenisland.verio.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i'm having problems getting pccard services to work on my quantex h-1331 pII laptop. things worked great under 2.2.8+PAO. now, after installing 3.1R, whenever i build a kernel with "controller card0" in it, it hangs on bootup after checking the disks. it looks like it might be hanging when rc.pccard tries to do the "kldload pcic". if i build the exact same kernel, only with the card0 line commented out in the config file, it boots just fine (although w/o pccard suppport). i checked the archives, but didn't see and obvious reference to this problem. has anyone else seen this? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Mar 9 2:16: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from netrinsics.com (unknown [210.74.174.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D210614BEF for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 02:16:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robinson@netrinsics.com) Received: (from robinson@localhost) by netrinsics.com (8.9.2/8.8.7) id SAA19722; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:10:49 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from robinson) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:10:49 +0800 (CST) From: Michael Robinson Message-Id: <199903091010.SAA19722@netrinsics.com> To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, robinson@netrinsics.com Subject: Re: compatibility list Cc: dkulp@neomorphic.com, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <62457.920965462@zippy.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: >I think this somewhat oversimplifies the matter and if we could >actually examine some of the bits of code you saw "rejected" at this >point, we'd quickly see that they destabilized or even flat-out broke >other aspects of our desktop/server support. First let me state *EMPHATICALLY* that I am against breaking anything for anybody. I was a VAX system adminstrator at Berkeley back in the 4.2 days, and I, too, find it offensive that some crufty laptop modem code could ruin the BSD legacy of stability and reliability. But, on the other hand, an attitude of "shoot first and ask questions later" is incompatible with attracting people to the project. >The same goes double for some of the scarier patches >to wd.c and the network drivers. > >That's all the "architectural purity" I see being called for here, >that and some attempt to avoid a profusion of #ifdefs within the code >that make it unreadable to anyone else. I ported wd.c from PAO to 3.0. I understand exactly what you are talking about, both in terms of scariness and incomprehensible #ifdefs. If I were running, e.g., Yahoo, I wouldn't want that code near my servers either. But I'm not running Yahoo, I'm running a laptop that happens to be my primary development system. When I went looking for some guidance on how to make my backup drive work, I found in the mailing list archives generally unproductive discussions between a group of people that was concerned about being able to use the hardware they actually have, and a group that was concerned that FreeBSD ought to have an elegant solution to the general problem of removable devices. It was strongly suggested that the former group was wasting their time (actually, I think the quote was, "you're wasting your time"). So, it appeared to me that I had the choice of a) waiting for the elegant solution to spontaneously evolve, b) becoming an expert in kernel architecture and devote all my time (for at least the better part of a year) to designing and implementing an elegant solution, or c) writing a quick hack that met my immediate requirements, without any delusions that it would ever be officially blessed for use by others. "C" was the no-brainer pick. In the process, I discovered a profusion of trivial little signs of profound neglect (e.g., the documented syntax in pccardd.conf.sample directly contradicted the code in pccardd/file.c). It was obvious that the "elegant solution" crowd was not attracting to its cause anyone who had any improvements to offer short of redesigning the entire FreeBSD device-driver architecture. As one of those non-attractees, here are my suggestions for how to improve the situation: 1. Establish an absolute, unconditional moritorium on any flames, insults or other denigration of any contribution to PC-CARD support, no matter how crufty or ill-conceived. 2. Put any functional crufty bits in the tree, somewhere, anywhere. Something like sys/i386/unsupported. It doesn't have to be part of the default installation (in fact, shouldn't be), but it should be somewhere where it is easy for people working on it to keep in sync with the rest of the tree, and with each other, and where it is available to people who do need to use it. Patches against this code should be subject to a level of scrutiny appropriate for something that is unsupported, but important to a significant user base. 3. Write documentation explaining in adequate detail why each of the crufty bits is unsupported, what has to happen before it will be supported, and some general guidelines on how to get from point A to point B. 4. Refer enquiries on freebsd-mobile to #2 and #3 above, rather than pointing vaguely to archived unresolved flamewars. If these four points are deemed unduly burdensome by the core team, then perhaps its not worth waiting the six months to shoot the PC-CARD support. Personally, though, I don't like a lot of the recklessness of the PAO team, either, and I'd hate to see PC-CARD support placed entirely in their hands. (Of course, I'd *really* hate to have to migrate to Linux, but hopefully it won't get to that point.) -Michael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Mar 9 3: 8:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F1015247 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 03:08:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by phk.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12840; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:08:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA22839; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:08:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Michael Robinson Cc: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, dkulp@neomorphic.com, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Mar 1999 18:10:49 +0800." <199903091010.SAA19722@netrinsics.com> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 12:08:16 +0100 Message-ID: <22837.920977696@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Before people get all armoured and heads for the windmills, let me just throw in a few observations from my corner: PCCARDs are just one instance of dynamic hardware. Undoubtedly the most prolific and worst designed, but still just one kind. We should step backwards one step and review the generic case just one bit before we rush in and code, this is where the PAO effort has failed most: They didn't design, they coded. Making a BSD kernel (or any classical UNIX kernel) aware and tolerant of devices coming and going all the time is no light task, and if it is just hacked in (see: PAO), the result will predictably be a mess. One "minor detail" is that all drivers should be probe/attached AFTER the kernel is in "normal state", ie, with timeouts and interrupts working and all that. (Alert people will have noticed that Sorens new ata driver does this :-) Obviously this should be tied into the "new bus" stuff, since that will be the frame work for future dynamic devices to work in (cardbus!) In other words: Yes, go for it, but don't focus blindly on pccards... -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Mar 9 3: 9:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462AA14BEF for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 03:09:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id UAA19617; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:08:03 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36E4F190.8CE4EE0D@newsguy.com> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 19:01:52 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Colin Eric Johnson , Mike Smith , David Kulp , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list References: <62408.920964968@zippy.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > What can I do (as a fan of FreeBSD, and an owner of a Dell Lattitude) to > > help the pccard code move forward? > > Be a capable Unix programmer who hopefully also understands at least > something about the mechanics of the various PCCARD/CARDBUS > controllers and range of available cards out there. That's who it > would take to get the support code merged from PAO into the mainline > on an ongoing basis and also deal with various user reports when it > all doesn't work and someone (see above) needs to figure out why. > Simple testers we have plenty of. EVERYONE is a tester at this > stage. :) Whoever does any sort of PAO integration, ought to have a desktop too. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "FreeBSD is Yoda, Linux is Luke Skywalker." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Mar 9 9:53:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F9E15027 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:53:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA55394 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:53:00 GMT Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA03211 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:52:51 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199903091752.KAA03211@harmony.village.org> Subject: Re: compatibility list To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Mar 1999 08:25:55 +0200." <199903090625.IAA00925@greenpeace.grondar.za> References: <199903090625.IAA00925@greenpeace.grondar.za> <61250.920937872@zippy.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 10:52:51 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gee, my Libretto works great with FreeBSD -current and has since 2.2.5 or there abouts. The only major breakage that I've seen on it was my own fault and never made it into the tree. The biggest problem that I've had helping people is that the current code is bog stupid when it comes to trying to avoid address/irq/io conflicts and just gives unhelpful, unuseful, annoying error messages for easily fixed problems. I'm hoping that the new bus code will help the base dynamic problems which have been hacked around in many ways. Dynamic IRQs, I/O ranges, devices coming and going really is a hard problem. Also, PnP support will help in device enumeration and hot-plug events. The biggest problem is finding the time... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Mar 9 10: 1:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from darkstar.inetu.net (darkstar.inetu.net [207.18.13.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D720714FC8; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:01:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kerberus@inetu.net) Received: from inetu.net (root@localhost.inetu.net [127.0.0.1]) by darkstar.inetu.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24981; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:00:47 GMT (envelope-from kerberus@inetu.net) Message-ID: <36E51B7E.7B572F0C@inetu.net> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 13:00:46 +0000 From: Kerberus Reply-To: kerberus@inetu.net Organization: INetU, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warner Losh , "freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG" , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: compatibility list References: <199903090625.IAA00925@greenpeace.grondar.za> <61250.920937872@zippy.cdrom.com> <199903091752.KAA03211@harmony.village.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ummm think you can help me get a pcmcia card that worked fine under 2.2.8-PAO to work again under 3.1,cause i upgraded last night and used the same config info i did on the 2.2.8 release suck at base mem 280 and irq 7 and nada,it see that the card is there and inserted in the pcmcia slot, but it refuses to initialize it, should i be using pccardd or ?? is this now supposed to be configured in the kernel somehow. Thanks in Advance, Kerberus Warner Losh wrote: > Warner > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message -- OhhhNooooo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Mar 9 10: 1:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0CF1502A for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:01:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA55423 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:01:18 GMT Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA03266 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:01:09 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199903091801.LAA03266@harmony.village.org> Subject: Re: compatibility list To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Mar 1999 12:08:16 +0100." <22837.920977696@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <22837.920977696@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 11:01:09 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <22837.920977696@critter.freebsd.dk> Poul-Henning Kamp writes: : One "minor detail" is that all drivers should be probe/attached : AFTER the kernel is in "normal state", ie, with timeouts and : interrupts working and all that. (Alert people will have noticed : that Sorens new ata driver does this :-) As does CAM :-) Soren's driver has been fairly easy, so far, to port to the "laptop" environment where things come and go. I've been modifying it to grok the ATA Flash cards, and so far it has been very easy to change. I'm to the detecting the hardware stage (and it seems that the ata card I have isn't detected, but that is a hardware thing, I think). There are many areas where dynamic interrupts are hard to do due to the various masks that we have in the kernel. Some devices like to be in multiple masks. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Mar 9 10:14: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F81415038; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:13:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA55462; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:13:28 GMT Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA03363; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:13:19 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199903091813.LAA03363@harmony.village.org> To: kerberus@inetu.net Subject: Re: compatibility list Cc: "freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG" , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Mar 1999 13:00:46 GMT." <36E51B7E.7B572F0C@inetu.net> References: <36E51B7E.7B572F0C@inetu.net> <199903090625.IAA00925@greenpeace.grondar.za> <61250.920937872@zippy.cdrom.com> <199903091752.KAA03211@harmony.village.org> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 11:13:19 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <36E51B7E.7B572F0C@inetu.net> Kerberus writes: : Ummm think you can help me get a pcmcia card that worked fine under : 2.2.8-PAO to work again under 3.1,cause i upgraded last night and used : the same config info i did on the 2.2.8 release suck at base mem 280 and : irq 7 and nada,it see that the card is there and inserted in the pcmcia : slot, but it refuses to initialize it, should i be using pccardd or ?? is : this now supposed to be configured in the kernel somehow. Please send me the output of dmesg, plus the config you are trying to use. There is likely something simple that is going on. Also, a pccardc dumpcis would be useful as well. This is assuming that the hardware is supported under 3.1R. If this is, eg, a aic-6x60 based scsi card then you are SOL. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Mar 9 10:23:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BAEA15016 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:23:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by phk.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14962; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:23:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA23936; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:22:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Warner Losh Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Mar 1999 11:01:09 MST." <199903091801.LAA03266@harmony.village.org> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 19:22:51 +0100 Message-ID: <23934.921003771@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <199903091801.LAA03266@harmony.village.org>, Warner Losh writes: >In message <22837.920977696@critter.freebsd.dk> Poul-Henning Kamp writes: >: One "minor detail" is that all drivers should be probe/attached >: AFTER the kernel is in "normal state", ie, with timeouts and >: interrupts working and all that. (Alert people will have noticed >: that Sorens new ata driver does this :-) > >As does CAM :-) No, CAM spends a lot of time before that point detecting hardware, but it doesn't probe the busses until after that point. Sorens driver goes a little further than that. >There are many areas where dynamic interrupts are hard to do due to >the various masks that we have in the kernel. Some devices like to be >in multiple masks. Another bridge to build, cross and burn... -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Mar 9 11:43:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles222.castles.com [208.214.165.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF61F152C6 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:42:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00402; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:36:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199903091936.LAA00402@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Colin Eric Johnson Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Mike Smith , David Kulp , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Mar 1999 20:13:50 MST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 11:36:06 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm going to ask that I be laughed at for the following question but not > shot into shark chum. > > How come the PAO stuff can't/isn't being murged with the mainline FreeBSD > source? Please read the list archives for the last N iterations of the answer to this question. > With that asked I'll stick my neck out a bit more: > > What can I do (as a fan of FreeBSD, and an owner of a Dell Lattitude) to > help the pccard code move forward? Bite off a small piece of eg. the PAO code, say one driver. Clean it up and make it work with FreeBSD. File it in a PR. Repeat. Ie. help do the work that's needed. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 8: 0:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mail.kt.rim.or.jp (mail.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160431513C for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:00:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp) Received: from moon.sky.rim.or.jp (ppp376.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.140.76]) by mail.kt.rim.or.jp (8.8.8/3.6W-RIMNET-98-06-09) with ESMTP id AAA20361 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:59:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from sky.rim.or.jp (earth.sky.rim.or.jp [192.168.1.2]) by moon.sky.rim.or.jp (8.8.8/3.5Wpl4/moon-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA06458 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:59:48 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36E696E0.9396A55B@sky.rim.or.jp> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:59:29 +0900 From: Jun Kuriyama X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [ja] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: PAO for 3.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry for inconvenience. I've heard that PAO development team is "pre code freeze" stage for PAO 3.1 install kit now. I think PAO for 3.1-RELEASE will be released near future. Please wait, if you can :-) -- Jun Kuriyama // kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp // kuriyama@FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 8:16:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from darkstar.inetu.net (darkstar.inetu.net [207.18.13.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637DD14C98 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:16:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kerberus@inetu.net) Received: from inetu.net (root@localhost.inetu.net [127.0.0.1]) by darkstar.inetu.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28076; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:15:53 GMT (envelope-from kerberus@inetu.net) Message-ID: <36E65467.14B4F454@inetu.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:15:52 +0000 From: Kerberus Reply-To: kerberus@inetu.net Organization: INetU, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jun Kuriyama , "freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: PAO for 3.1 References: <36E696E0.9396A55B@sky.rim.or.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ummm WHEN.... I need it like seriously now, i have no network connectivity for my pcmcia cards.....! is there pre-release code someplace i could maybe help to test for you. Thank in Advance Kerberus PS PLEASE............!!!! Jun Kuriyama wrote: > Sorry for inconvenience. > > I've heard that PAO development team is "pre code freeze" stage for PAO > 3.1 install kit now. I think PAO for 3.1-RELEASE will be released near > future. Please wait, if you can :-) > > -- > Jun Kuriyama // kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp > // kuriyama@FreeBSD.ORG > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message -- OhhhNooooo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 10:26:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from valis.goatsucker.org (dialup-port3.dcs.qmw.ac.uk [138.37.88.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E7515113 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:26:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rsm@acm.org) Received: (from scott@localhost) by valis.goatsucker.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA01290; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:15:38 GMT (envelope-from scott) Message-ID: <19990310181537.16981@goatsucker.org> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:15:37 +0000 From: Scott Mitchell To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Colin Eric Johnson Cc: Mike Smith , David Kulp , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list References: <62408.920964968@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <62408.920964968@zippy.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 11:36:08PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 11:36:08PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > What can I do (as a fan of FreeBSD, and an owner of a Dell Lattitude) to > > help the pccard code move forward? > > Be a capable Unix programmer who hopefully also understands at least > something about the mechanics of the various PCCARD/CARDBUS > controllers and range of available cards out there. That's who it > would take to get the support code merged from PAO into the mainline > on an ongoing basis and also deal with various user reports when it > all doesn't work and someone (see above) needs to figure out why. > Simple testers we have plenty of. EVERYONE is a tester at this > stage. :) > > - Jordan Well, I believe I have the programming skills, although I'd have to read up on the PCMCIA/CardBus stuff, and I'm willing to commit time to this (modulo getting my thesis and the Xircom ethernet driver done, switching jobs and moving house in the next few months). It's not a single-person job though: from other comments on this thread, my own reading of the existing code and the general anti-PAO feeling on this list I guess what's needed is a complete rewrite of the PCCARD code, as a special case of some generic removable device support (does this actually exist? is it documented anywhere?) Presumably that would be less work in the long run than endless hacking on the current code. Of course all this is beside the point if FreeBSD is just a 'server focused' OS, and no-one on the core team really gives a shit about pushing desktop, let alone laptop, support. That may not be the case, but it is the impression a mere user like me (can't speak for anyone else) gets from reading the lists when these subjects come up. So, is anyone actively maintaining the current PCCARD code? Case in point: the macro used to register a PCCARD driver changed someplace between 3.0 and 3.1 -- if nobody updated the ep driver to reflect this change, it probably explains why Jordan's getting this "Driver allocation failed for ep0" error. My point is, if no-one on core/committers cares about making this stuff happen, there's not much motivation for the rest of us to "do the work", as we are always exhorted to do. If I'm going to invest my time (and probably money) in this, I don't want it to end up as another PAO...if that's the way it would be, we may as well all switch to Linux now. Should probably clarify my idea of desktop/laptop support here. I don't think that we, or Linux for that matter, are any kind of serious competition for MS, or Apple, or anyone else, for the hearts and minds of the average desktop user (as in someone who really doesn't care what's under the hood, but just wants to get their work done, play games, whatever) yet; we never will be unless we make some kind of effort to keep up, which for the time being I guess means being at least as good as Linux...then maybe we'll see some more mainstream application developers coming across to BSD. Getting way too off topic here, will stop now. So consider me volunteered to do (some of) the work...anyone else who wants in, please stand up now. That means 'political' and logistical as well as technical contributions; eg. is the project in a position to loan cards, PCMCIA specs, etc (laptops?) to those producing the code? Wow, that all's quite a rant coming from me...time to get back to the thesis I think :) Ducks behind his desk, expecting flamage... Scott -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID |"If I can't have my coffee, I'm just | 0x54B171B9 | like a dried up piece of roast goat" QMW College, London, UK | 0xAA775B8B | -- J. S. Bach. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 10:44:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from valis.goatsucker.org (dialup-port3.dcs.qmw.ac.uk [138.37.88.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B3415110 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:44:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rsm@acm.org) Received: (from scott@localhost) by valis.goatsucker.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA01720; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:35:47 GMT (envelope-from scott) Message-ID: <19990310183546.58934@goatsucker.org> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:35:46 +0000 From: Scott Mitchell To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Colin Eric Johnson Cc: Mike Smith , David Kulp , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list References: <62408.920964968@zippy.cdrom.com> <19990310181537.16981@goatsucker.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <19990310181537.16981@goatsucker.org>; from Scott Mitchell on Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 06:15:38PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 06:15:38PM +0000, Scott Mitchell wrote: > Case in point: the macro used to register a PCCARD driver changed > someplace between 3.0 and 3.1 -- if nobody updated the ep driver to > reflect this change, it probably explains why Jordan's getting this > "Driver allocation failed for ep0" error. I take that back. It was fixed Jan 19th, rev. 1.78 of /sys/i386/isa/if_ep.c. Still, it gave us a heck of a fright when all the Xircom testers upgraded and everything stopped working :) Scott -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID |"If I can't have my coffee, I'm just | 0x54B171B9 | like a dried up piece of roast goat" QMW College, London, UK | 0xAA775B8B | -- J. S. Bach. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 10:45:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from lambic.physics.montana.edu (lambic.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA92A1514E for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:45:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from handy@lambic.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (handy@localhost) by lambic.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA00626; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:44:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from handy@lambic.physics.montana.edu) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:44:33 -0700 (MST) From: Brian Handy To: Scott Mitchell Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-Reply-To: <19990310181537.16981@goatsucker.org> Message-ID: X-files: The truth is out there MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >So consider me volunteered to do (some of) the work...anyone else who wants >in, please stand up now. That means 'political' and logistical as well as >technical contributions; eg. is the project in a position to loan cards, >PCMCIA specs, etc (laptops?) to those producing the code? Wow, that all's >quite a rant coming from me...time to get back to the thesis I think :) OK, I'll flame. I'm working (slowly) on a pccardc man page right now. I have access to a handful of different pccards, and if I can achieve some level of understanding of the drivers, I'd try to help ensure that some of them worked with this new, layout you speak of. And, if I can't, at least I'll try to keep my nose in far enough to make sure the man pages reflect reality. So, basically I'll help out at least to the level necessary to get my cards and a handful of TP560's working right. :-) Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 10:58:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from teknos.teknos.com (teknos-gw.nappr.org [216.0.190.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E991A1534B for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:58:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from salaman@teknos.com) Received: by TEKNOS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:05:15 -0400 Message-ID: <608F4F76C94DD211B93100805F29063A8D83@TEKNOS> From: Victor Salaman To: 'Scott Mitchell' , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Colin Eric Johnson Cc: Mike Smith , David Kulp , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: compatibility list Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:05:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It's about time someone said this Scott... Linux is not that great, it's mostly smoke and mirrors. But in the eyes of mainstream everyone, FreeBSD is the underdog. And if we don't capture that marketshare, Linux could improve their networking/stability/vm, etc... and be up to par or even better than FreeBSD, that would mean "Let's all run Linux, why FreeBSD". The attack has to come from everywhere. If I were not a technical personal, I wouldn't have been able to make my notebook PCIC controller work. Not even with 4.0-CURRENT or anything, just because the motivation in the core team is not out there... -----Original Message----- From: Scott Mitchell [mailto:rsm@acm.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 2:16 PM To: Jordan K. Hubbard; Colin Eric Johnson Cc: Mike Smith; David Kulp; freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list On Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 11:36:08PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > What can I do (as a fan of FreeBSD, and an owner of a Dell Lattitude) to > > help the pccard code move forward? > > Be a capable Unix programmer who hopefully also understands at least > something about the mechanics of the various PCCARD/CARDBUS > controllers and range of available cards out there. That's who it > would take to get the support code merged from PAO into the mainline > on an ongoing basis and also deal with various user reports when it > all doesn't work and someone (see above) needs to figure out why. > Simple testers we have plenty of. EVERYONE is a tester at this > stage. :) > > - Jordan Well, I believe I have the programming skills, although I'd have to read up on the PCMCIA/CardBus stuff, and I'm willing to commit time to this (modulo getting my thesis and the Xircom ethernet driver done, switching jobs and moving house in the next few months). It's not a single-person job though: from other comments on this thread, my own reading of the existing code and the general anti-PAO feeling on this list I guess what's needed is a complete rewrite of the PCCARD code, as a special case of some generic removable device support (does this actually exist? is it documented anywhere?) Presumably that would be less work in the long run than endless hacking on the current code. Of course all this is beside the point if FreeBSD is just a 'server focused' OS, and no-one on the core team really gives a shit about pushing desktop, let alone laptop, support. That may not be the case, but it is the impression a mere user like me (can't speak for anyone else) gets from reading the lists when these subjects come up. So, is anyone actively maintaining the current PCCARD code? Case in point: the macro used to register a PCCARD driver changed someplace between 3.0 and 3.1 -- if nobody updated the ep driver to reflect this change, it probably explains why Jordan's getting this "Driver allocation failed for ep0" error. My point is, if no-one on core/committers cares about making this stuff happen, there's not much motivation for the rest of us to "do the work", as we are always exhorted to do. If I'm going to invest my time (and probably money) in this, I don't want it to end up as another PAO...if that's the way it would be, we may as well all switch to Linux now. Should probably clarify my idea of desktop/laptop support here. I don't think that we, or Linux for that matter, are any kind of serious competition for MS, or Apple, or anyone else, for the hearts and minds of the average desktop user (as in someone who really doesn't care what's under the hood, but just wants to get their work done, play games, whatever) yet; we never will be unless we make some kind of effort to keep up, which for the time being I guess means being at least as good as Linux...then maybe we'll see some more mainstream application developers coming across to BSD. Getting way too off topic here, will stop now. So consider me volunteered to do (some of) the work...anyone else who wants in, please stand up now. That means 'political' and logistical as well as technical contributions; eg. is the project in a position to loan cards, PCMCIA specs, etc (laptops?) to those producing the code? Wow, that all's quite a rant coming from me...time to get back to the thesis I think :) Ducks behind his desk, expecting flamage... Scott -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID |"If I can't have my coffee, I'm just | 0x54B171B9 | like a dried up piece of roast goat" QMW College, London, UK | 0xAA775B8B | -- J. S. Bach. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 11: 0:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0692A15389 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:00:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by phk.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA21141; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:59:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA32675; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:59:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Scott Mitchell Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Colin Eric Johnson , Mike Smith , David Kulp , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:15:37 GMT." <19990310181537.16981@goatsucker.org> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:59:46 +0100 Message-ID: <32673.921092386@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <19990310181537.16981@goatsucker.org>, Scott Mitchell writes: >Of course all this is beside the point if FreeBSD is just a 'server >focused' OS, and no-one on the core team really gives a shit about pushing >desktop, let alone laptop, support. I will let my .signature speak for me on this one. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 11: 4:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from sloth.cs.unm.edu (sloth.cs.unm.edu [198.59.151.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D7D14DD0 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:04:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from colinj@cs.unm.edu) Received: from waimea.cs.unm.edu ([198.83.92.103]) by sloth.cs.unm.edu with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10KoHL-0001ca-00 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:04:27 -0700 Received: from localhost (colinj@localhost) by waimea.cs.unm.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12747 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:04:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from colinj@cs.unm.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: waimea.cs.unm.edu: colinj owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:04:33 -0700 From: Colin Eric Johnson To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Adaptec 1460C and 3.1-STABLE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm trying to build a kernel with support for the adaptec 1460C SlimSCSI card. I seem to run into the same problem over and over agian. Here's what I get when I run make depend: cc: ../../dev/aic6x60/aic.c: No such file or directory cc: ../../i386/isa/aic_isa.c: No such file or directory mkdep: compile failed *** Error code 1 Here's the line from my kernel config: controller scbus0 #base SCSI code device da0 #SCSI direct access devices (aka disks) controller aic0 at isa? port 0x340 bio irq 10 vector aicintr (I don't know if I need the scbus/da stuff or not). my machine, trurl 17 % uname -a FreeBSD trurl.lternet.edu 3.1-STABLE FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE #17: Sun Mar 7 20:37:04 MST 1999 root@trurl.lternet.edu:/usr/src/sys/compile/TRURL i386 was a 3.0-RELEASE install and I've been tracking -STABLE ever since. My last cvsup was last night (March 9). the files in question are not on my machine (at least locate doesn't find them). The last make world that I did was on March 7th. Is there a trick to getting this to work? Colin E. Johnson | colinj@unm.edu | http://www.unm.edu/~colinj/ Parker always felt things in his bones because, he said, it saved space. -Steven Ayelett, _The Crime Studio_ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 11:36:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from blackie.cruzers.com (cruzers.com [205.215.232.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CCB15458 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:35:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkulp@board66.cruzers.com) Received: from board66.cruzers.com (board66.cruzers.com [205.215.233.66]) by blackie.cruzers.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA20937 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:47:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dkulp@localhost) by board66.cruzers.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id LAA23670; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:35:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:35:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903101935.LAA23670@board66.cruzers.com> From: David Kulp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: ANNOUNCE: FreeBSD mobile compatibility site X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Despite the predictions of the death of mobile support on FreeBSD I went ahead and started a simple site for registering your mobile setup for FreeBSD. http://www.cse.ucsc.edu/~dkulp/fbsd/laptop.html It's pretty low-tech and I don't expect it to take much of my time -- except at the beginning with a lot of entries -- but at the least it might be a helpful site for starters who are thinking about putting FreeBSD on their laptops. Perhaps laptop support gets dropped or rots from the core and this site becomes an extension of PAO information. We'll see. Again, I find the mailing list not very helpful for searching/reviewing, so maybe I can help here. If people want to contribute additional pieces (like the ubiquitous "why isn't PAO merged?"), I'll add them to the site, too. Feedback is welcome. cheers, David Kulp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 11:53: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0DD31535F for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:52:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA59163; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:52:35 GMT Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA05696; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:52:25 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199903101952.MAA05696@harmony.village.org> To: Colin Eric Johnson Subject: Re: Adaptec 1460C and 3.1-STABLE Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:04:33 MST." References: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:52:25 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message Colin Eric Johnson writes: : cc: ../../dev/aic6x60/aic.c: No such file or directory : cc: ../../i386/isa/aic_isa.c: No such file or directory aic isn't supported in 3.x and newer. There is no driver for CAM for it. However, if the PAO folks are releasing stuff soon, maybe they will have something that will at least function for the 1460C cards. If they do and it uses CAM, then I'll look at porting it to -current/releng_3 Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 11:54:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D096514DD0 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:54:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by phk.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA21415; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:54:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA32963; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:54:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Victor Salaman Cc: "'Scott Mitchell'" , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Colin Eric Johnson , Mike Smith , David Kulp , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:05:12 -0400." <608F4F76C94DD211B93100805F29063A8D83@TEKNOS> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:54:09 +0100 Message-ID: <32961.921095649@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <608F4F76C94DD211B93100805F29063A8D83@TEKNOS>, Victor Salaman writes: >It's about time someone said this Scott... >[...] >If I were not a technical personal, I wouldn't have been able to make my >notebook PCIC controller work. Not even with 4.0-CURRENT or anything, just >because the motivation in the core team is not out there... Now, if this was intended to make anybody mad it was certainly a valiant and direct attempt. Right of the top of my head I know that at least Jordan, Sos and I run laptops for a significant fraction of our existence, and I have probably overlooked just about everybody else in the core team with this statement. I have sported my current .signature for at least a year, and I think I was amongst the first unix laptop users around at all: I ran 386bsd 0.0 on a 386sx laptop where it replaced Minix. Before that I ran Minix 1.1.5 on a 8088 based Toshiba T1100 (I still have it btw :-) "just becase the motivation in the core team is not out there..." [SNORT!] If you think you will only get PCCard support in FreeBSD if somebody in -core does it, then you are not only about as wrong as you can be, you are also an ungrateful bastard as well. It doesn't really matter how much motivation the core-team has anyway, I think there is plenty motivation, but unfortunately most of us also have to survive in the real world. I have to do things like BGP routing and mail-list management because I happen to have a wife and two kids with most of the mandatory accessories like a house and food at semi-regular intervals. I would love to do pccard/cardbus full time, but it will take somebody offering me sufficient monetary compensation that I can keep my family warm, dry and fed. Until that happens, I will have to work on what people will pay me to do. Poul-Henning (Right now a pretty pissed off core team member) -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 12: 9:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from teknos.teknos.com (teknos-gw.nappr.org [216.0.190.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD21615157 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:09:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from salaman@teknos.com) Received: by TEKNOS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:16:38 -0400 Message-ID: <608F4F76C94DD211B93100805F29063A8D85@TEKNOS> From: Victor Salaman To: 'Poul-Henning Kamp' , Victor Salaman Cc: 'Scott Mitchell' , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Colin Eric Johnson , Mike Smith , David Kulp , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: compatibility list Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:16:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My mail was not meant for anyone to get mad, forgive me if it sounded like that. I'm really happy with FreeBSD, it's just that I've seen how PAO died IMHO because FreeBSD would be adding native support, but the current PCMCIA support in 3.1 and 4.0 doesn't live to PAO's expectations (don't take my word for it, make a survey if you need to). And what I said about Linux and FreeBSD, well it's true, FreeBSD is a better product, but does the world know about this???? I see some kid hacking away at school, he's using Linux, not FreeBSD. We need to do something about this. If the truth hurts, so be it, I'll be damned. -- Victor -----Original Message----- From: Poul-Henning Kamp [mailto:phk@critter.freebsd.dk] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 3:54 PM To: Victor Salaman Cc: 'Scott Mitchell'; Jordan K. Hubbard; Colin Eric Johnson; Mike Smith; David Kulp; freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In message <608F4F76C94DD211B93100805F29063A8D83@TEKNOS>, Victor Salaman writes: >It's about time someone said this Scott... >[...] >If I were not a technical personal, I wouldn't have been able to make my >notebook PCIC controller work. Not even with 4.0-CURRENT or anything, just >because the motivation in the core team is not out there... Now, if this was intended to make anybody mad it was certainly a valiant and direct attempt. Right of the top of my head I know that at least Jordan, Sos and I run laptops for a significant fraction of our existence, and I have probably overlooked just about everybody else in the core team with this statement. I have sported my current .signature for at least a year, and I think I was amongst the first unix laptop users around at all: I ran 386bsd 0.0 on a 386sx laptop where it replaced Minix. Before that I ran Minix 1.1.5 on a 8088 based Toshiba T1100 (I still have it btw :-) "just becase the motivation in the core team is not out there..." [SNORT!] If you think you will only get PCCard support in FreeBSD if somebody in -core does it, then you are not only about as wrong as you can be, you are also an ungrateful bastard as well. It doesn't really matter how much motivation the core-team has anyway, I think there is plenty motivation, but unfortunately most of us also have to survive in the real world. I have to do things like BGP routing and mail-list management because I happen to have a wife and two kids with most of the mandatory accessories like a house and food at semi-regular intervals. I would love to do pccard/cardbus full time, but it will take somebody offering me sufficient monetary compensation that I can keep my family warm, dry and fed. Until that happens, I will have to work on what people will pay me to do. Poul-Henning (Right now a pretty pissed off core team member) -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 12:30:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from darkstar.inetu.net (darkstar.inetu.net [207.18.13.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D5414C58 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:30:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kerberus@inetu.net) Received: from inetu.net (root@localhost.inetu.net [127.0.0.1]) by darkstar.inetu.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03291; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:25:42 GMT (envelope-from kerberus@inetu.net) Message-ID: <36E68EF5.D77AABF8@inetu.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:25:41 +0000 From: Kerberus Reply-To: kerberus@inetu.net Organization: INetU, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Victor Salaman Cc: "'Poul-Henning Kamp'" , "'Scott Mitchell'" , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Colin Eric Johnson , Mike Smith , David Kulp , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list References: <608F4F76C94DD211B93100805F29063A8D85@TEKNOS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Victor Salaman wrote: > My mail was not meant for anyone to get mad, forgive me if it sounded like > that. I'm really happy with FreeBSD, it's just that I've seen how PAO died > IMHO because FreeBSD would be adding native support, but the current PCMCIA > support in 3.1 and 4.0 doesn't live to PAO's expectations (don't take my > word for it, make a survey if you need to). > > And what I said about Linux and FreeBSD, well it's true, FreeBSD is a better > product, but does the world know about this???? I see some kid hacking away > at school, he's using Linux, not FreeBSD. We need to do something about > this. If the truth hurts, so be it, I'll be damned. First, look, everyone take a breather, FreeBSD doesnt compare to linux in any form,except that it is also free, PAO may be stalled, and your not the only person that suffers from this.... i have a 2.2.8 PAO compatible card that worked, until i upgraded to 3.1, now it doesnt, but the cdrom in my CTX that never worked even under 2.2.8 without locking up my laptop does work under 3.1, Iask am I complaining and wasting core team memeber time with flames, Ummm no, im simply seeking help, as so you should be also, as for the world and knowledge of FreeBSD as compared to linux, that is only due to RedHat and their marketing efforts, so maybe you should form your own company, and start championing our cause for FreeBSD, linux may have more press, but as i see it, people are starting to realize that FreeBSD is more robust and stable then linux. so let linux forge the way, big deal, its not like the core team is making money from their work. Back off, sit down and code your own driver, and when your done with that you can code the one i need for my pcmcia card, stop talking and start being productive with all this negative energy you put forth, damn you could have probably already written the darn drivers. ive said enuff, so either seek help nicely, or code it yourself, and leave the core team memebers alone, they dont need any more stress then they already have. TIA, just an opinion...... Kerberus To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 12:34:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from teknos.teknos.com (teknos-gw.nappr.org [216.0.190.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EDF515164 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:33:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from salaman@teknos.com) Received: by TEKNOS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:40:49 -0400 Message-ID: <608F4F76C94DD211B93100805F29063A8D86@TEKNOS> From: Victor Salaman To: "'kerberus@inetu.net'" , Victor Salaman Cc: 'Poul-Henning Kamp' , 'Scott Mitchell' , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Colin Eric Johnson , Mike Smith , David Kulp , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: compatibility list Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:40:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Back off, sit down and code your own driver, and when your done with that you can code the one i need for my pcmcia card, stop talking and start being productive with all this negative energy you put forth, damn you could have probably already written the darn drivers. ive said enuff, so either seek help nicely, or code it yourself, and leave the core team memebers alone, they dont need any more stress then they already have." I am a happy camper here as I have spent time (without bugging the core team members or typing any message on this list before today) fixing my own driver problems. In fact, I have ported my own driver from Linux drivers from David Hinds distribution for one of my cards, and Scott Mitchell developed the Xircom driver for the other card I use. So in other words, I need no drivers... I've been happy all along, It's you who doesn't have a driver. Perhaps its you that should stop talking and start being productive with all this negative energy you put forth and code it yourself. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 12:38:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410DD1515E for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:38:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by phk.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21621; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:37:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA33211; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:37:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Victor Salaman Cc: "'Scott Mitchell'" , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Colin Eric Johnson , Mike Smith , David Kulp , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:16:33 -0400." <608F4F76C94DD211B93100805F29063A8D85@TEKNOS> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:37:45 +0100 Message-ID: <33209.921098265@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <608F4F76C94DD211B93100805F29063A8D85@TEKNOS>, Victor Salaman writes: >And what I said about Linux and FreeBSD, well it's true, FreeBSD is a better >product, but does the world know about this???? I see some kid hacking away >at school, he's using Linux, not FreeBSD. We need to do something about >this. If the truth hurts, so be it, I'll be damned. The truth is that I, personally, would rather have only 1% as many users as Linux, if they were the most competent users. This is not far from the current situation, and consequently I'm not hell-bent on replacing Linux (or Win) every place I see it. Most of the computers which doesn't run FreeBSD today wouldn't be improved much if anything for their users if they did. The current lot of ungrateful FreeBSD users (as opposed to the users who know that silence is golden for the people who has to listen to the alternative) have already forced me, (and others) to abandon several mailing lists and news groups where you would otherwise naturally expect us to lurk. Adding a few million linux (or Win) users would be unlikely to be an improvement in that respect. In all the hype about the cathedral and the bazaar, people tend to forget that no bazaar have ever risen higher than a few stories, and that when it catches fire it's GONE. In contrast to this most cathedrals stand tall in the landscape, and many have suffered fire, war, storm and earthquakes but they still stand. Which one you prefer is largely a matter of taste, we probably need to have both around. You'll find me at the cathedral if you need me. Sometimes I stroll through the bazaar and get inspiration, but I wouldn't want to make my living there. Now, to return and project this to the subject at hand: The reason PAO hasn't even been considered for integration is that it is (too much) a bazaar style thing. Integrating it would make a couple of significant sections of our cathedral look very ugly, not to mention do questionable things to the basic strength of the structure. >If< we do dynamic device support (And I fully expect us to, although there are compelling arguments of simplicity against it), we will try to do it "right". It may not get there as fast as in the bazaar, but it will last longer. Summary: No it didn't hurt. But I spent close to one hour explaining this to you, and somehow I doubt that more of my time will not be wast^H^H^H^Hspent this way, rather than coding. Conclusion: I welcome your survey and your enthusiasm, now, find a place to work and get going, I'll be amongst the first happy users of such code, but I do unfortunately not have the time to do it myself. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 12:38:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk (bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.5.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F64F151D8 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:38:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from P.Gevros@cs.ucl.ac.uk) Received: from sporty.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:23:49 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: Scott Mitchell , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, P.Gevros@cs.ucl.ac.uk Subject: Re: compatibility list In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:59:46 +0100." <32673.921092386@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:23:47 +0100 Message-ID: <6944.921097427@cs.ucl.ac.uk> From: Panos GEVROS Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Poul-Henning Kamp writes: |In message <19990310181537.16981@goatsucker.org>, Scott Mitchell writes: | |>Of course all this is beside the point if FreeBSD is just a 'server |>focused' OS, and no-one on the core team really gives a shit about pushing |>desktop, let alone laptop, support. | |I will let my .signature speak for me on this one. | |-- |Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member |phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." |FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! pt1 May i ask what "other" people are supposed to run on their laptops? i think this attitude will completely marginalise FreeBSD and (me too) i wouldn't like to see this happen pt2 even if support is not there (yet) imho it is *crucial* for attracting new users that there is a clear/official/honest declaration of what a new user should expect to be working i suggest that "documentation" probably is more important than development for acquiring larger user base and making the project succesful pt3 the fact that McKusick, Stevensvol2 books are out there is a great advantage for FreeBSD, but i don't want to think about what's going to happen if someone publishes a book for linux networking internals sometime soon Thanks Panos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 13:35:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1321B15011 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:35:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA25823; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:34:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA10931; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:34:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:34:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199903102134.OAA10931@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Scott Mitchell Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Mike Smith , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-Reply-To: <19990310181537.16981@goatsucker.org> References: <62408.920964968@zippy.cdrom.com> <19990310181537.16981@goatsucker.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > What can I do (as a fan of FreeBSD, and an owner of a Dell Lattitude) to > > > help the pccard code move forward? > > > > Be a capable Unix programmer who hopefully also understands at least > > something about the mechanics of the various PCCARD/CARDBUS > > controllers and range of available cards out there. That's who it > > would take to get the support code merged from PAO into the mainline > > on an ongoing basis and also deal with various user reports when it > > all doesn't work and someone (see above) needs to figure out why. > > Simple testers we have plenty of. EVERYONE is a tester at this > > stage. :) > > Well, I believe I have the programming skills, although I'd have to read up > on the PCMCIA/CardBus stuff, and I'm willing to commit time to this (modulo > getting my thesis and the Xircom ethernet driver done, switching jobs and > moving house in the next few months). Hmm, sounds like you've got no time either. ;) > It's not a single-person job though: from other comments on this > thread, my own reading of the existing code and the general anti-PAO > feeling on this list I guess what's needed is a complete rewrite of > the PCCARD code, as a special case of some generic removable device > support (does this actually exist? is it documented anywhere?) From my point of view, that's going to happen 'eventually', but that is not what is required in the short-term. > Presumably that would be less work in the long run than endless > hacking on the current code. Agreed, but the new codebase doesn't yet exist, although it's designed has been discussed at some lenght. If/when it is implemented and brought into FreeBSD woudl be the time to redo the codebase, *UNLESS* you feel comfortable in being the implementor. > Of course all this is beside the point if FreeBSD is just a 'server > focused' OS, and no-one on the core team really gives a shit about pushing > desktop, let alone laptop, support. I could say something here, but I won't. :) > That may not be the case, but it is the impression a mere user like me > (can't speak for anyone else) gets from reading the lists when these > subjects come up. So, is anyone actively maintaining the current > PCCARD code? I *was* doing it up until 18 months ago, and Mike Smith was apparently going to take over, but he got busy on 'more important' things. Warner Losh has been doing the most lately, so I've been deferring things to him. > Case in point: the macro used to register a PCCARD driver changed > someplace between 3.0 and 3.1 -- if nobody updated the ep driver to > reflect this change, it probably explains why Jordan's getting this > "Driver allocation failed for ep0" error. My point is, if no-one on > core/committers cares about making this stuff happen, there's not much > motivation for the rest of us to "do the work", as we are always > exhorted to do. I think if you have a patch, send it to -mobile and see what happens. If nothing happens, yell louder and hopefully someone will step up to the plate and/or make *you* a comitter if you're changes look good and don't negatively effect the server robustness/stability of FreBSD. :) > So consider me volunteered to do (some of) the work...anyone else who wants > in, please stand up now. That means 'political' and logistical as well as > technical contributions; eg. is the project in a position to loan cards, > PCMCIA specs, etc (laptops?) to those producing the code? Wow, that all's > quite a rant coming from me...time to get back to the thesis I think :) If you are *really* serious about this, I think Mike could be 'persuaded' to send you the PCMCIA specification I bought and sent to him. But, sending it to London wouldn't be cheap, and the specification is 2+ years old. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 14: 4:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694AA14E22 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:04:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oly@world.std.com) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (STD1.2/BZS-8-1.0) id RAA23346; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:04:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA06737; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:04:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:04:24 -0500 (EST) From: Oliver R Oberdorf To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: compatibility list In-Reply-To: <6944.921097427@cs.ucl.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As always, this thread seems pointless. Can I ask that it be taken off-line? I don't want to offend, it just seems hostile and ineffective on both sides. At the risk of being called a hypocrite, I would not mind seeing mail to organize the PCMCIA users since many people seem interested in working on it, if they aren't alone. Thanks, Oly Oberdorf To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 14:39:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2F514EBD for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:38:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA14496; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:38:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from sji-ca14-33.ix.netcom.com(205.186.215.33) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma014380; Wed Mar 10 16:37:39 1999 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.2/8.6.9) id OAA94987; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:37:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:37:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903102237.OAA94987@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: silvia.hip.berkeley.edu: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: oly@world.std.com Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: (message from Oliver R Oberdorf on Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:04:24 -0500 (EST)) Subject: Re: compatibility list From: asami@FreeBSD.org (Satoshi Asami) References: Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * From: Oliver R Oberdorf * As always, this thread seems pointless. Can I * ask that it be taken off-line? I don't want to * offend, it just seems hostile and ineffective * on both sides. Amen! * At the risk of being called a hypocrite, I would * not mind seeing mail to organize the PCMCIA users * since many people seem interested in working on it, * if they aren't alone. Well, I'm a happy ThankPad 560E user, and just registered at David's page. 3.1R runs quite fine on it. I only needed a small patch (sent to Hosokawa-san already, also available from http:www.freebsd.org/~asami/linksys.patch) so I can use the Linksys 10/100 card (whose only claim to fame is that it can talk to 100Mbps hubs, not that it can transfer anything at a speed of more than 1MB/sec ;) with it. Maybe we'll feel better if we collect more "happy" stories. :) Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 15:20:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C714E1517F for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:20:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA71788; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:19:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Scott Mitchell Cc: Colin Eric Johnson , Mike Smith , David Kulp , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:15:37 GMT." <19990310181537.16981@goatsucker.org> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:19:29 -0800 Message-ID: <71784.921107969@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Well, I believe I have the programming skills, although I'd have to read up > on the PCMCIA/CardBus stuff, and I'm willing to commit time to this (modulo > getting my thesis and the Xircom ethernet driver done, switching jobs and > moving house in the next few months). It's not a single-person job though: > from other comments on this thread, my own reading of the existing code and > the general anti-PAO feeling on this list I guess what's needed is a > complete rewrite of the PCCARD code, as a special case of some generic > removable device support (does this actually exist? is it documented > anywhere?) Presumably that would be less work in the long run than endless > hacking on the current code. Excellent, consider yourself signed up. Of course, I also feel morally obligated to inform you that if you're at all typical, you'll last about 4 months at this and then vanish, never to be heard from again, but hey - I'm always ready and willing to be surprised by the rare exception to the rule! :-) > Of course all this is beside the point if FreeBSD is just a 'server > focused' OS, and no-one on the core team really gives a shit about pushing > desktop, let alone laptop, support. That may not be the case, but it is > the impression a mere user like me (can't speak for anyone else) gets from > reading the lists when these subjects come up. So, is anyone actively We give a shit, believe me (most of core owns at least one laptop and I personally have 2), we just don't have anyone available to do the work. The reaction you've seen to date is probably more a side-effect of the fact that we're a little sensitive about the fact that people generally just like to beat us up over laptop support, screaming that "somebody has to do something!" The identity of this "somebody" is rather vague but everyone is unanimous in their opinion that this "somebody" better get busy and, after a few years of that kind of behavior, one can generally forgive the developers for having an ear absolutely full of such whining. It's unfortunate that the next newbie who stumbles into the conversation with a "why hasn't somebody done something about the lapt..." gets both barrels right in the chest as a result, but it's at least an understandable human impulse. > Jordan's getting this "Driver allocation failed for ep0" error. My point > is, if no-one on core/committers cares about making this stuff happen, > there's not much motivation for the rest of us to "do the work", as we are > always exhorted to do. If I'm going to invest my time (and probably money) > in this, I don't want it to end up as another PAO...if that's the way it > would be, we may as well all switch to Linux now. You'd be given commit privileges once you proved that you were both capable of making reasoned changes (not just "hack hack hack, whoops, did I break something there?") and of dealing with CVS and all its wrinkles. As "the PCCARD guy", you'd then be the one to track things like the ep driver and work with the author(s) of that code to ensure that PCCARD support was proplerly dealt with. In some cases, your PCCARD hat would call for you to go in and do the deed on their behalf, but I don't think that anyone expects you to take over the job of retrofitting every driver in existence so much as communicating to the other authors just what needs to be done so that they can do it themselves. It also gives the buck somewhere to stop so that when something is clearly broken and nobody seems to want to fix it, it gets fixed anyway. > Should probably clarify my idea of desktop/laptop support here. I don't > think that we, or Linux for that matter, are any kind of serious > competition for MS, or Apple, or anyone else, for the hearts and minds of > the average desktop user (as in someone who really doesn't care what's > under the hood, but just wants to get their work done, play games, It's good that your realize that. :) > up, which for the time being I guess means being at least as good as > Linux...then maybe we'll see some more mainstream application developers > coming across to BSD. Getting way too off topic here, will stop now. No, that's a reasonable summary I think. Your sights appear to be pointed at the right target. > So consider me volunteered to do (some of) the work...anyone else who wants > in, please stand up now. That means 'political' and logistical as well as I'd like you to play point man on this since the "PCCARD movement" lacks even a focus leader at present. Are you willing to be that guy and for at least a year, since that's about the most reasonable "ramp up" period I can envision? If the answers to both those questions are a "yes" then I hereby encourage all of those PCCARD hopefuls out there to rally around your new spiritual leader, Scott Mitchell, as he's now The Guy. See? The core team folks are more than capable of making quick decisions when such are called for. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 15:22:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from scallop.baynetworks.com (ns5.baynetworks.com [194.133.90.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B86114C23 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:21:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bwithrow@engeast.BayNetworks.COM) Received: from mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (occhio.BayNetworks.COM [194.133.90.100]) by scallop.baynetworks.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA14604; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:20:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from pobox.engeast.BayNetworks.COM (pobox.engeast.baynetworks.com [192.32.61.6]) by mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA01939; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:18:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from tuva.engeast.baynetworks.com (tuva [192.32.68.38]) by pobox.engeast.BayNetworks.COM (SMI-8.6/BNET-97/04/24-S) with ESMTP id SAA25383; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:17:26 -0500 for Received: from tuva.engeast.baynetworks.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuva.engeast.baynetworks.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25894; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:15:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bwithrow@tuva.engeast.baynetworks.com) Message-Id: <199903102315.SAA25894@tuva.engeast.baynetworks.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: Victor Salaman , "'Scott Mitchell'" , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Colin Eric Johnson , Mike Smith , David Kulp , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-Reply-To: Message from Poul-Henning Kamp of "Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:54:09 +0100." <32961.921095649@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:15:14 -0500 From: Robert Withrow Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know that everyone on the core team would be *ecstatic* if good PCCard support would show up from contributors. I've looked at the problems on my own laptop and there are some that I could fix, but it seems like there is a major lack of architectural guidance preventing people like me offering fixes. What I mean by this is possibly best illustrated by example: My system has two cardbus controllers, and the docking module has one PCcard controller. The probe code *sees* these, but it has a lot of hard-coded assumptions that are obviously wrong preventing me from using the PCcard controller in the docking module. Still, lacking some architectural guidance, any change I make would be just as wrong, I think. Likewise, I don't remember if it was Mike or Nate, but someone who knows thinks the current FBSD PCCard design is superior to that in PAO, and I think I agree, but without a "leader" how can we flesh this out and make it work as well as PAO does now? Isn't a problem that there is no "connected" person calling the "architectural" shots? Certainly there isn't any documentation we can reference that I've found, on the FBSD pccard architecture. -- Robert Withrow -- (+1 978 916 8256) BWithrow@BayNetworks.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 15:29:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68DF515058 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:29:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA71813; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:24:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Victor Salaman Cc: "'Poul-Henning Kamp'" , "'Scott Mitchell'" , Colin Eric Johnson , Mike Smith , David Kulp , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:16:33 -0400." <608F4F76C94DD211B93100805F29063A8D85@TEKNOS> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:24:28 -0800 Message-ID: <71809.921108268@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > My mail was not meant for anyone to get mad, forgive me if it sounded like > that. I'm really happy with FreeBSD, it's just that I've seen how PAO died I think you need to focus your attention on more specific issues rather than just yelling and waving your hands around. If you're really inclined to HELP here rather than just pissing people like Poul off with lots of vague, unfounded assertions about how things are in the laptop community then get behind Scott Mitchell and HELP. That means a tangible, technical contribution, not just whining about Linux doing this or new users needing that. Scott's stepped up to the plate, so how do you intend to help him do his new job? I don't even want you to answer that question for now, I just want you to think about it and then drop Scott a line volunteering your services when you've figured out the answer. No other type of contribution is as valuable or required than this one right now. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 16:21:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A4D15136 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:21:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA59948 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:21:15 GMT Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA07740 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:21:08 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199903110021.RAA07740@harmony.village.org> Subject: Re: compatibility list To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:16:33 -0400." <608F4F76C94DD211B93100805F29063A8D85@TEKNOS> References: <608F4F76C94DD211B93100805F29063A8D85@TEKNOS> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:21:08 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You could do something like what I'm doing right now. I'm adapting Soren's[*] new driver to deal properly with ATA FLASH cards with an eye towards also being able to support rescanning IDE busses, cdroms that come and go, etc. I'm working with Soren to make sure that the changes are architecturally well thought out. I also finally have data sheets for the non-ata flash cards that I have which may get a new driver as well. However, my interest in that project is reduced somewhat because these cards require 12V to write, which makes it useless for my Libretto 50CT since it can't provide a 12V line to PCCARDs. I had been waiting for a copy of the pccard standard to start on this, but now that I have a datasheet, I don't need it. However, I have too many irons in the fire right not to commit to being PCMCIA point man for all things. Making things incrementally better from time to time I'll continue to do. Had I the time and/or funding I'd be all over the cardbus issues or other dynamic device issues for the greater good of FreeBSD. Usb will need it, as will newer pci buses that support hot plugging, pccard, card bus, docking stations, cdrom drives on laptops, etc so a generic solution would be highly desirable. Although some of these may be laptop specific, others would clearly benefit the desktop platform. Warner [*] I know that Soren's name has an o-thorn in the second position, but I don't know the encoding for o-thorn... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 17:24:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from pacman.redwoodsoft.com (redwoodsoft.com [207.181.199.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D75015194 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:24:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dnelson@redwoodsoft.com) Received: (qmail 2351 invoked from network); 11 Mar 1999 01:24:17 -0000 Received: from localhost.redwoodsoft.com (127.0.0.1) by localhost.redwoodsoft.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 1999 01:24:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:24:17 -0800 (PST) From: Dru Nelson To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: compatibility list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If someone becomes the point, that would be great. I and a few others would like to contribute a little here and there to get laptop support great. Dru Nelson Redwood City, California To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 17:56:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from relay02.netaddress.usa.net (relay02.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C57C14CDF for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:56:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from monroyj@usa.net) Received: (qmail 12464 invoked from network); 11 Mar 1999 01:55:57 -0000 Received: from www0k.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.40) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 11 Mar 1999 01:55:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 13471 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Mar 1999 01:51:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19990311015104.13470.qmail@www0k.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.40 by www0k via web-mailer(M3.0.0.11) on Thu Mar 11 01:51:04 GMT 1999 Date: 10 Mar 99 17:51:04 PST From: JESSE MONROY To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [ Re: compatibility list ] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org HELO Can we please move this discussion to a newsgroup? I've got more than 25 message in my mailbox on this subject. I'm glad I don't read this dribble. "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > My mail was not meant for anyone to get mad, forgive me if it sounded= like > > that. I'm really happy with FreeBSD, it's just that I've seen how PAO= died > = ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 21:31:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rainey.blueneptune.com (rainey.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4175414E00 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:31:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Received: from jester (ppp159.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.159]) by rainey.blueneptune.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA22904; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:30:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990310212233.02011ea0@blueneptune.com> X-Sender: aland@blueneptune.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:22:36 -0800 To: Victor Salaman From: Alan DuBoff Subject: RE: compatibility list Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 04:40 PM 3/10/99 -0400, Victor Salaman wrote: >In fact, I have ported my own driver from Linux drivers >from David Hinds distribution for one of my cards At the risk of showing my ignorance I would like to ask what is involved in doing that? I have a card that has a driver supported on Linux, the 3Com 3c574-TX, it's a 10/100 PCMCIA Fast Ethernet card, but it is kinda unique in that it is 16 bit. There is also a 3c574-TX which is a 32 bit CardBus, however, many laptop owners may be familiar with the 32 bit problems associated with mixing 32/16 bit cards. If you aren't, the 16 bit cards are often not recognized upon reboot, it's a known problem as many IHVs handle 32 bitness differently. I actually bought a 589D from a friend a couple weeks ago for $50 (seemed like a good deal to me, seeing as they are discontinued now!;-) as they are supported on every single OS I would want to run on my laptop. I might be willing to port the 3c574 driver over to FreeBSD if I knew what all was involved. But without knowing what is involved I don't know that I can do it, and as one other gent pointed out, I need to feed and provide for my family, and am limited on amount of time I have available. As him, I whore myself out to people that *WILL* pay me to write software for them, and I'm not about to quit doing that just yet...However, I might be willing to invest some time to provide a port of a driver for the above card, I don't know yet. Surely if I get messages like the ones that were sent over the past couple days, I would probably not consider investing ANY time in it. I was glad to see that Jordan seemed to catch a small chubby in his reply to Scott Mitchell, and thats a good sign. However, I would like to warn you Jordan, you seem to play with guns in your messages, be careful, for you might accidentally shoot your chubby off one day (you've probably shot it off many times over though...;-) Alan DuBoff - Conductor Software Orchestration, Inc. aland@SoftOrchestra.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 21:50:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rainey.blueneptune.com (rainey.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B96414DCB for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:50:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Received: from jester (ppp159.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.159]) by rainey.blueneptune.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA24181; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:49:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990310214136.01f509d0@blueneptune.com> X-Sender: aland@blueneptune.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:41:39 -0800 To: Victor Salaman From: Alan DuBoff Subject: RE: compatibility list Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:22 PM 3/10/99 -0800, Alan DuBoff wrote: >There is also a 3c574-TX which is a 32 bit CardBus Hey dumb$#!T, the 32 bit CardBus is the 3c575-TX. You can't type for f#@$ all! Alan DuBoff - Conductor Software Orchestration, Inc. aland@SoftOrchestra.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 22:41: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from luke.pmr.com (luke.pmr.com [207.170.114.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0B5150F1 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:40:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bob@luke.pmr.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.pmr.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id AAA04538 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:40:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:40:19 -0600 From: Bob Willcox To: mobile list Subject: XFree86 configuration on Dell Inspiron 7000? Message-ID: <19990311004019.A4194@luke.pmr.com> Reply-To: Bob Willcox Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anybody have a XF86Config file for a Dell Inspiron 7000 that they would be willing to email me? Thanks, Bob -- Bob Willcox The man who follows the crowd will usually get no bob@luke.pmr.com further than the crowd. The man who walks alone is Austin, TX likely to find himself in places no one has ever been. -- Alan Ashley-Pitt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 22:44:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B06615064 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:44:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by phk.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA24029; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:43:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA34675; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:43:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Warner Losh Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:21:08 MST." <199903110021.RAA07740@harmony.village.org> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:43:44 +0100 Message-ID: <34673.921134624@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <199903110021.RAA07740@harmony.village.org>, Warner Losh writes: >You could do something like what I'm doing right now. I'm adapting >Soren's[*] new driver to deal properly with ATA FLASH cards with an >[*] I know that Soren's name has an o-thorn in the second position, >but I don't know the encoding for o-thorn... "oslash" my friend, o-slash! Sounds pretty much like the "u" in "turn" Alt-X normally :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 10 23:46: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65C6150DC for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:45:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA73070; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:45:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Alan DuBoff Cc: Victor Salaman , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:22:36 PST." <3.0.32.19990310212233.02011ea0@blueneptune.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:45:48 -0800 Message-ID: <73067.921138348@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I was glad to see that Jordan seemed to catch a small chubby in his reply > to Scott Mitchell, and thats a good sign. However, I would like to warn you "Small?" Sheesh! The man doesn't even know me and already he's insulting me! :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 1: 4:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B40C14C9A for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:04:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id SAA24590; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:03:56 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36E786AE.8659F0A5@newsguy.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:02:38 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Colin Eric Johnson Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 1460C and 3.1-STABLE References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Colin Eric Johnson wrote: > > I'm trying to build a kernel with support for the adaptec 1460C SlimSCSI > card. I seem to run into the same problem over and over agian. Here's what > I get when I run make depend: > > cc: ../../dev/aic6x60/aic.c: No such file or directory > cc: ../../i386/isa/aic_isa.c: No such file or directory 3.1 does not support aic 6x60-based cards at the present. This has never been ported since the introduction of CAM. The only SCSI option available for noteboojs is the parallel port stuff. There is someone working on the aic port to cam, but no results have been produced so far. If you are utterly disappointed at this, welcome to the club. :-( -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "FreeBSD is Yoda, Linux is Luke Skywalker." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 1:23:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD50151F8 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:22:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id SAA27279; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:22:12 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36E78AF3.75E27A3@newsguy.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:20:51 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Alan DuBoff , Victor Salaman , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list References: <73067.921138348@zippy.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > I was glad to see that Jordan seemed to catch a small chubby in his reply > > to Scott Mitchell, and thats a good sign. However, I would like to warn you > > "Small?" Sheesh! The man doesn't even know me and already he's > insulting me! :) Most likely, he read about your experiences at the Linux convention, and wanted to make you feel back at home again. ;-> (that's what *you* said, not me! :) -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "FreeBSD is Yoda, Linux is Luke Skywalker." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 1:52:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from marinemwr.or.jp (konnect3.marinemwr.or.jp [203.181.108.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0FDB15230 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:52:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from neillt@coastalnet.com) Received: from laptop (CCT37.marinemwr.or.jp [202.239.139.37]) by marinemwr.or.jp (8.8.8/3.6W+07/25/98) with SMTP id SAA17835; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:46:19 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990311183845.0092f4e0@mail.coastalnet.com> X-Sender: f3i7v8jv@mail.coastalnet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 (Demo) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:50:06 +0900 To: rsm@acm.org From: Neill Thornton Subject: PCCards - Help Needed? Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Scott... I was following the thread on mobile re: PC Card support, and it looks like you have been kighted to All Supreme PC Card King. I don't know if I should congratulate you or feel sorry for you :) Anyway, I am offering my help. I don't know too much C, so as far as coding goes, I would be only a minor help. But I can write documentation, or test code, or assist in organizing help. I am running PAO'ized 2.2.8 right now, but am about to upgrade to 3.1-stable. I only have a linksys Combo 10BT/2 adapter and generic ActionTec modem card to test it on, but I am willing to give anything a try. It is becoming clear that if people don't start offering help to get this ball rolling again, it's gonna get declared dead. I hope other people like me come out of the woodwork and support any efforts that might be made to enhance FreeBSD on mobile platforms. I have been using FreeBSD since 2.0.5, both on and off laptops, but always just lurking as a user and never giving anything back. This is my chance to help out the collective effort. Let me know what I can do.... Neill --- HN(FMF) Neill Thornton, USN Powered by FreeBSD 1st Battalion, 8th Marines Battalion Aid Station Go Navy! 2d Marine Division, II MEF, MARFORLANT To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 2:38:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from netrinsics.com (unknown [210.74.176.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8248215237 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 02:37:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robinson@netrinsics.com) Received: (from robinson@localhost) by netrinsics.com (8.9.2/8.8.7) id SAA06918 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:20:39 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from robinson) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:20:39 +0800 (CST) From: Michael Robinson Message-Id: <199903111020.SAA06918@netrinsics.com> To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: >I hereby encourage all of those PCCARD hopefuls out there >to rally around your new spiritual leader, Scott Mitchell, as he's >now The Guy. Welcome spiritual leader! May I humbly submit that your first (or nearly first) order of business should be getting the Cathedral architects to cough up some blueprints, so that we mere rockbangers might labor with focus and direction? -Michael Robinson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 3:31:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106FD14BCC for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 03:31:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (the-menacing-troll.cybercity.dk [212.242.41.238]) by phk.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24995; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:31:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA00722; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:31:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Michael Robinson Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:20:39 +0800." <199903111020.SAA06918@netrinsics.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:31:03 +0100 Message-ID: <720.921151863@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <199903111020.SAA06918@netrinsics.com>, Michael Robinson writes: >"Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: >>I hereby encourage all of those PCCARD hopefuls out there >>to rally around your new spiritual leader, Scott Mitchell, as he's >>now The Guy. > >Welcome spiritual leader! > >May I humbly submit that your first (or nearly first) order of business should >be getting the Cathedral architects to cough up some blueprints, so that we >mere rockbangers might labor with focus and direction? The basic architecture is pretty straightforward if you think about it: Device drivers should to the extent sensible and possible be independent of the attachement of the device (pccard/isa-card/pci/integrated function) Device drivers should probe and attach after the system is "up" rather than before interrupts and timers and stuff work. Device drivers must be able to handle, as sensible as possible that devices go away (with or without warning). I will happily help you guys hash out these things, but I would far prefer that you guys take a bite out of it yourself first, that way credit goes where credit belongs. First though, do a bit of background study: Suggest you start by examining the "new bus" stuff which is happening on the side (ask Garrett, Dough and that gang) Figure out how a docking station works (PnP) Find the basics of PCCard and CardBus and hot-plug PCI. All the while, think about how this "should Do The Right Thing" on a UNIX machine... We can get Jonathan to create us a mail-list for this once we gain momentum. Keep me in the loop... -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 7:55:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from hotpoint.dcs.qmw.ac.uk (hotpoint.dcs.qmw.ac.uk [138.37.88.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00BB15212 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:54:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scott@dcs.qmw.ac.uk) Received: from brunos-sun [138.37.88.185]; by hotpoint.dcs.qmw.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5/S-4.0) with SMTP; id PAA24440; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:53:00 GMT Received: locally by brunos-sun (SMI-8.6/QMW-client-3.2b); poster "scott"; id PAA22967; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:49:36 GMT Message-ID: <19990311154936.Q23921@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:49:36 +0000 From: Scott Mitchell To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: compatibility list References: <19990310181537.16981@goatsucker.org> <71784.921107969@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <71784.921107969@zippy.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 03:19:29PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 03:19:29PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Excellent, consider yourself signed up. Of course, I also feel > morally obligated to inform you that if you're at all typical, you'll > last about 4 months at this and then vanish, never to be heard from > again, but hey - I'm always ready and willing to be surprised by the > rare exception to the rule! :-) Jordan, you really are the *man* -- here I was expecting to get my ass chewed off by half of -core, but no, I roll in to work and find out I've been crowned (condemned?) to be the PC-card guy. Darn that timezone thing -- never had a chance to defend myself :-) I'll definitely last more than 4 months, mostly because I won't be able to do anything significant on this for the next 3. Can't even think about starting any new projects until I get my thesis done, get the Xircom driver committed, and start my new job. The most I'll be able to accomplish in the interim is getting folks organised, gathering documentation and figuring out exactly what we're hoping to get done. > We give a shit, believe me (most of core owns at least one laptop and > I personally have 2), we just don't have anyone available to do the > work. > > The reaction you've seen to date is probably more a side-effect of the > fact that we're a little sensitive about the fact that people > generally just like to beat us up over laptop support, screaming that > "somebody has to do something!" The identity of this "somebody" is > rather vague but everyone is unanimous in their opinion that this > "somebody" better get busy and, after a few years of that kind of > behavior, one can generally forgive the developers for having an ear > absolutely full of such whining. It's unfortunate that the next > newbie who stumbles into the conversation with a "why hasn't somebody > done something about the lapt..." gets both barrels right in the chest > as a result, but it's at least an understandable human impulse. I've come to believe that "if you want something doing, do it yourself" is a truism, so rather than be one of the whiners, here I am. Plus, it looks good on my resume, you know :) > You'd be given commit privileges once you proved that you were both > capable of making reasoned changes (not just "hack hack hack, whoops, > did I break something there?") and of dealing with CVS and all its > wrinkles. As "the PCCARD guy", you'd then be the one to track things > like the ep driver and work with the author(s) of that code to ensure > that PCCARD support was proplerly dealt with. In some cases, your > PCCARD hat would call for you to go in and do the deed on their > behalf, but I don't think that anyone expects you to take over the job > of retrofitting every driver in existence so much as communicating to > the other authors just what needs to be done so that they can do it > themselves. It also gives the buck somewhere to stop so that when > something is clearly broken and nobody seems to want to fix it, it > gets fixed anyway. Wow, my own hat and commit privs too! One thing I was wondering though, does this mean I should be running -current? The laptop actually gets used for the (paid) work as well, so I'd like to it be somewhat stable most of the time. I guess -current is where the dynamic device support will be happening though, huh? > I'd like you to play point man on this since the "PCCARD movement" > lacks even a focus leader at present. Are you willing to be that guy > and for at least a year, since that's about the most reasonable "ramp > up" period I can envision? If the answers to both those questions are > a "yes" then I hereby encourage all of those PCCARD hopefuls out there > to rally around your new spiritual leader, Scott Mitchell, as he's > now The Guy. I think I can cope with that, as long as no-one objects to a slow start while I get the rest of my committments sorted out. If I last the year without going nuts, even better. To everyone else who cc'd stuff to me -- sorry I don't have time this week to reply to everyone personally. I'll make a general posting early next week once I've had a few days to think about exactly where I see things going, and we can take it from there. Looking forward to working with y'all, Scott -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID |"If I can't have my coffee, I'm just | 0x54B171B9 | like a dried up piece of roast goat" QMW College, London, UK | 0xAA775B8B | -- J. S. Bach. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 8:10:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rainey.blueneptune.com (rainey.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16640151AF for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:10:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Received: from jester (ppp171.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.171]) by rainey.blueneptune.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA15056; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:09:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990311080142.02013ab0@blueneptune.com> X-Sender: aland@blueneptune.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:01:45 -0800 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" From: Alan DuBoff Subject: Re: compatibility list Cc: Victor Salaman , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:45 PM 3/10/99 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >"Small?" Sheesh! The man doesn't even know me and already he's >insulting me! :) Ooops, I didn't mean to...what I meant was it was a *HUGE* chubby, it was enormous! It was Johnny Holmes size! Actually, it was larger than any other core member! (pun????) But seriously, all I was saying is watch what you type, words can be offensive to some, don't shoot your chubby off. Alan DuBoff - Conductor Software Orchestration, Inc. aland@SoftOrchestra.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 8:30: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from hotpoint.dcs.qmw.ac.uk (hotpoint.dcs.qmw.ac.uk [138.37.88.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A16E151E5 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:30:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scott@dcs.qmw.ac.uk) Received: from brunos-sun [138.37.88.185]; by hotpoint.dcs.qmw.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5/S-4.0) with SMTP; id QAA00202; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:29:34 GMT Received: locally by brunos-sun (SMI-8.6/QMW-client-3.2b); poster "scott"; id QAA23065; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:26:10 GMT Message-ID: <19990311162609.S23921@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:26:09 +0000 From: Scott Mitchell To: Alan DuBoff Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: compatibility list References: <3.0.32.19990310212233.02011ea0@blueneptune.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19990310212233.02011ea0@blueneptune.com>; from Alan DuBoff on Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 09:22:36PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 09:22:36PM -0800, Alan DuBoff wrote: > At 04:40 PM 3/10/99 -0400, Victor Salaman wrote: > >In fact, I have ported my own driver from Linux drivers > >from David Hinds distribution for one of my cards > > At the risk of showing my ignorance I would like to ask what is involved in > doing that? > > I have a card that has a driver supported on Linux, the 3Com 3c574-TX, it's > a 10/100 PCMCIA Fast Ethernet card, but it is kinda unique in that it is 16 > bit. > > There is also a 3c574-TX which is a 32 bit CardBus, however, many laptop > owners may be familiar with the 32 bit problems associated with mixing > 32/16 bit cards. If you aren't, the 16 bit cards are often not recognized > upon reboot, it's a known problem as many IHVs handle 32 bitness differently. > > I actually bought a 589D from a friend a couple weeks ago for $50 (seemed > like a good deal to me, seeing as they are discontinued now!;-) as they are > supported on every single OS I would want to run on my laptop. > > I might be willing to port the 3c574 driver over to FreeBSD if I knew what > all was involved. But without knowing what is involved I don't know that I > can do it, and as one other gent pointed out, I need to feed and provide > for my family, and am limited on amount of time I have available. As him, I > whore myself out to people that *WILL* pay me to write software for them, > and I'm not about to quit doing that just yet...However, I might be willing > to invest some time to provide a port of a driver for the above card, I > don't know yet. It's not too hideous, if you don't mind getting your hands dirty on kernel code. The main thing is having the manufacturers documentation -- porting the Xircom driver with only the Linux code to refer to has been *hell*. Fortunately Xircom are about to come to the party... If you've got working code for Linux or whatever, then a 'port' amounts to munging that into the BSD driver framework, which is a little different. The ed driver is a really good template -- I've basically ended up ripping out the h/w specific parts of that and replacing them with the Xircom stuff. For a 10/100 card you'll also have to deal with media autoselection; the xl, fxp and tl (?) drivers are pretty good sources for that. There you go. Easy huh? Scott -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID |"If I can't have my coffee, I'm just | 0x54B171B9 | like a dried up piece of roast goat" QMW College, London, UK | 0xAA775B8B | -- J. S. Bach. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 9: 4:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from darkstar.inetu.net (darkstar.inetu.net [207.18.13.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E889514C88; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:04:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kerberus@inetu.net) Received: from inetu.net (root@localhost.inetu.net [127.0.0.1]) by darkstar.inetu.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26807; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:04:36 GMT (envelope-from kerberus@inetu.net) Message-ID: <36E7B14E.6FB51944@inetu.net> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:04:32 +0000 From: Kerberus Reply-To: kerberus@inetu.net Organization: INetU, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" , "freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: CTX laptop & PCMCIA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Slay me if you need to, for doing this. or bear with me and enable me to work again. Ok it looks as though im going to have to downgrade my 3.1 FreeBSD install back to 2.2.8-PAO to actually get connectivity through my Bay Netgear FA410TX pcmcia card. this is funny, under 2.2.8 my cdrom when accessed locks the machine up solid, but works with no problems under 3.1, and my ethernet card ( pcmcia ) works great under 2.2.8-PAO, but i cant get it to work under 3.1, i have noticed under 3.1 that the PCIC controller in dmesg output assigns it at irq 5, but there is a sound card at that irq, under 2.2.8-PAO it was being assigned irq 11. so ill prolly get ripped for doing this, but here is the dmesg output, the 3.1 kernel config file, the 2.2.8-PAO kernel config file, and pccardc dumpcis info, attached for whomever is willing and wants a challenge, and feels like being a savoir and making my year, and can actually get this thing to work so my laptop is completely 100% happy and not partially, running under 3.1.... any and all help is appreciated, and yes i know you guys are busy, I just have to hate to wipe this disk clean and start from scratch with 2.2.8-PAO again seeing as everything works under 3.1 except my darn pcmcia card,and i seriously need network connectivity. also for your information, this is a CTX EzBook 800, with 32 Mgs memory, a 2.1 Gig IDE Disk, a 20x cdrom ( that now works under 3.1 and didnt under 2.2.8 ) it has 2 USB ports, 2 Irda ports, 2 PCMCIA slots, externel VGA, Internal modem, second com port, a parallel port, a Crystal Beach internal sound system, a NeoMagic 2 meg graphics adapter, and a touchpad 2 button style ps/2 mouse. As i rememeber it under winblows com1 ( internal modem ) irq 9 com 2 ( external serial port ) irq 3 lpt1 ( external parallel port ) irq 4 Sound Card ( crystal beach ) irq 5 pci controllers irq 11 pcmcia card - Netgear FA410TX irq 7 did i miss anything....??? also the only item that dont work under 3.1 are pcmcia and the internal modem .... I think its a winmodem. the only way i got the netgear pcmcia card to work was by using what windows 98 had allocated for each device, as noted above under 2.2.8-PAO, and this all worked fine, as a matter of fact i have included my old 2.2.8-PAO kernel config file with other pertinent info. ----------SNIP--------2.2.8-PAO kernel config that works------------ # # Sample Laptop Configuration # for lenlen.ntc.keio.ac.jp (Toshiba Libretto 50CT) # Tatsumi Hosokawa # machine "i386" cpu "I386_CPU" cpu "I486_CPU" cpu "I586_CPU" cpu "I686_CPU" ident PAO_ALL maxusers 10 options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options NFS #Network Filesystem options MFS #Memory Filesystem options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options "CD9660" #ISO 9660 Filesystem options PROCFS #Process filesystem options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options SCSI_DELAY=15 #Be pessimistic about Joe SCSI device #options BOUNCE_BUFFERS #include support for DMA bounce buffers options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options FAILSAFE #Be conservative options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor # If your laptop have not had Windoze95-Ready BIOS, please update it. # Such old BIOS'es sometimes have critical bugs at 32-bit protected # mode APM BIOS interface (which have not used by Windoze 3.1). # PC-card suspend/resume support (experimental) #options APM_PCCARD_RESUME options PCIC_RESUME_RESET # Keep power for serial cards when the system suspends # (If your machine hangs up when you try to suspend the system with # FAX/Modem PCMCIA card, uncomment this option). #options SIO_SUSP_KEEP_PWR # Detach SCSI devices when the SCSI card is removed #options SCSI_DETACH # Detach ATAPI devices when the ATA card is removed #options ATAPI_DETACH # Japanese version of WaveLAN PCMCIA uses 2.4GHz band instead of 915MHz # band that US version uses. If you want to use Japanese version of # WaveLAN, uncomment this line, or edit the corresponding config entry # of /etc/pccard.conf. #options "WAVELAN_PCMCIA_24" # Suspend the system when the battery status is "Low" #options "APM_BATT_LOW_SUSPEND" # If you want to use NTP on laptop machines, uncomment the following # option. Current APM implementation affects NTP client. #options "APM_NO_CLOCK_ADJUST" # For Win98 BIOS of ThinkPad options #options "APM_TP_WIN98BIOS" # Some X-servers cannot survive suspend/resume on laptop. # This option kicks her when the system is resumed from suspended mode. #options SYSCONS_VTY_RESUME config kernel root on wd0 controller isa0 #controller eisa0 controller pci0 # Dont remove these two lines! pseudo-device card 1 # You must use "flags 0x1" when you don't hear any negotiation noise(?) # if you use modem card, or pccardd doesn't read cis tuple, tell you # 'No card in database for"(null)"("(null)")' in case of Cirrus Logic's # pcic is your PC. device pcic0 at isa? port 0x3e0 flags 0x1 irq 11 vector pcicintr #device pcic0 at isa? port 0x3e0 irq 11 vector pcicintr #device pcic0 at isa? port 0x3e4 irq 11 vector pcicintr device pcic1 at isa? port 0x3e2 # for HiNote Ultra II #device pcic1 at isa? port 0x3e4 # for Chandra II controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 controller fdc1 at isa? disable port "IO_YEFDC" bio irq 6 vector fdintr disk fd1 at fdc1 drive 0 options FDC_YE options "CMD640" # work around CMD640 chip deficiency controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 vector wdintr disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 vector wdintr disk wd1 at wdc1 drive 0 controller wdc2 at isa? disable port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 vector wdintr disk wd2 at wdc2 drive 0 controller wdc3 at isa? disable port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 vector wdintr disk wd3 at wdc3 drive 0 options ATAPI #Enable ATAPI support for IDE bus options ATAPI_STATIC #Don't do it as an LKM device wcd0 #IDE CD-ROM device wfd0 #IDE floppy (LS-120) # A single entry for any of these controllers (ncr, ahb, ahc, amd) is # sufficient for any number of installed devices. #controller ncr0 #controller amd0 #controller ahb0 #controller ahc0 #controller dpt0 #controller bt0 at isa? port "IO_BT0" bio irq ? vector bt_isa_intr #controller uha0 at isa? port "IO_UHA0" bio irq ? drq 5 vector uhaintr #controller aha0 at isa? port "IO_AHA0" bio irq ? drq 5 vector ahaintr #controller aic0 at isa? port 0x340 bio irq 11 vector aicintr #controller nca0 at isa? port 0x1f88 bio irq 10 vector ncaintr #controller nca1 at isa? port 0x350 bio irq 5 vector ncaintr controller nin0 at isa? port 0x280 bio irq 5 vector ninintr #controller sea0 at isa? bio irq 5 iomem 0xc8000 iosiz 0x2000 vector seaintr controller spc0 at isa? port 0x320 bio irq 11 iomem 0xd0000 flags 0x01 vector spcintr # Future domain and Q-logic PC-card SCSI drivers # ported from NetBSD/pc98 (based on NetBSD 1.2) #options SCSI_LOW # XXX: for ncv? and stg? driver controller ncv0 at isa? port 0x320 bio irq 5 vector ncvintr controller stg0 at isa? port 0x320 bio irq 5 vector stgintr #options DPT_MEASURE_PERFORMANCE # Required by DPT driver?? #options DPT_VERIFY_HINTR # Some hardware must have it! #options DPT_TRACK_CCB_STATES # Some hardware must have it! #options DPT_HANDLE_TIMEOUTS # Some hardware must have it! #options DPT_TIMEOUT_FACTOR=4 # Some hardware needs more controller scbus0 device sd0 device od0 #See LINT for possible `od' options. device st0 device cd0 #Only need one of these, the code dynamically grows #device wt0 at isa? port 0x300 bio irq 5 drq 1 vector wtintr #device mcd0 at isa? port 0x300 bio irq 10 vector mcdintr #controller matcd0 at isa? port 0x230 bio #device scd0 at isa? port 0x230 bio # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector scintr # Enable this and PCVT_FREEBSD for pcvt vt220 compatible console driver #device vt0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector pcrint #options XSERVER # support for X server #options FAT_CURSOR # start with block cursor # If you have a ThinkPAD, uncomment this along with the rest of the PCVT lines #options PCVT_SCANSET=2 # IBM keyboards are non-std # Mandatory, don't remove device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" flags 0x1 irq 13 vector npxintr # # Laptop support (see LINT for more options) # device apm0 at isa? # Advanced Power Management #options APM_BROKEN_STATCLOCK # Workaround some buggy APM BIOS device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 9 vector siointr device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 vector siointr #device sio2 at isa? disable port "IO_COM3" tty irq 5 vector siointr #device sio3 at isa? disable port "IO_COM4" tty irq 9 vector siointr #device sio4 at isa? disable port "IO_COM3" tty irq 5 vector siointr device lpt0 at isa? port? tty irq 4 vector lptintr #device lpt1 at isa? port? tty #device mse0 at isa? port 0x23c tty irq 5 vector mseintr device psm0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" conflicts tty irq 12 vector psmintr # Order is important here due to intrusive probes, do *not* alphabetize # this list of network interfaces until the probes have been fixed. # Right now it appears that the ie0 must be probed before ep0. See # revision 1.20 of this file. #device de0 #device fxp0 #device tl0 #device tx0 #device vx0 #device xl0 device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 7 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr #device ed1 at isa? disable port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr #device ie0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xd0000 vector ieintr #device ep0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 vector epintr #device ep1 at isa? disable port 0x300 net irq 10 vector epintr #device ex0 at isa? port? net irq? vector exintr #device fe0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 vector feintr #device fe1 at isa? disable port 0x300 net irq 10 vector feintr #device le0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 5 iomem 0xd0000 vector le_intr #device lnc0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 10 drq 0 vector lncintr #device sn0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 vector snintr #device sn1 at isa? disable port 0x300 net irq 10 vector snintr #device wlp0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 11 vector wlpintr #device wlp1 at isa? disable port 0x300 net irq 11 vector wlpintr #device cs0 at isa? disable port 0x300 net irq ? vector csintr #device cnw0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 5 vector cnwintr #device cnw1 at isa? disable port 0x300 net irq 5 vector cnwintr # do not enable ze0 and zp0 (these devices are obsolete) ##device ze0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 5 iomem 0xd8000 vector zeintr ##device zp0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 vector zpintr # IBM Smart Capture PCMCIA card #device scc0 #device scc1 # Hitachi microcomputer system Speach Synthesizer card #device hss0 #device hss1 # PCMCIA Joystick device joy0 at isa? port "IO_GAME" pseudo-device loop pseudo-device ether #pseudo-device log pseudo-device sl 1 # DHCP uses BPF (Berkeley Packet Filter) pseudo-device bpfilter 4 # ijppp uses tun instead of ppp device #pseudo-device ppp 1 pseudo-device vn 1 pseudo-device tun 1 pseudo-device pty 16 pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's options DDB # KTRACE enables the system-call tracing facility ktrace(2). # This adds 4 KB bloat to your kernel, and slightly increases # the costs of each syscall. #options KTRACE #kernel tracing # This provides support for System V shared memory. # options SYSVSHM options SYSVSEM options SYSVMSG ---------SNIP-------------3.1 kernel config file------------- # # GENERIC -- Generic machine with WD/AHx/NCR/BTx family disks # # For more information read the handbook part System Administration -> # Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel -> The Configuration File. # The handbook is available in /usr/share/doc/handbook or online as # latest version from the FreeBSD World Wide Web server # # # An exhaustive list of options and more detailed explanations of the # device lines is present in the ./LINT configuration file. If you are # in doubt as to the purpose or necessity of a line, check first in LINT. # # $Id: GENERIC,v 1.143.2.2 1999/02/15 02:50:07 des Exp $ machine "i386" cpu "I586_CPU" cpu "I686_CPU" ident GENERIC maxusers 32 # options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options MFS #Memory Filesystem options MFS_ROOT #MFS usable as root device, "MFS" req'ed options NFS #Network Filesystem options NFS_ROOT #NFS usable as root device, "NFS" req'ed options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options "CD9660" #ISO 9660 Filesystem options "CD9660_ROOT" #CD-ROM usable as root. "CD9660" req'ed options PROCFS #Process filesystem options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options SCSI_DELAY=15000 #Be pessimistic about Joe SCSI device options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options FAILSAFE #Be conservative options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor config kernel root on wd0 # To make an SMP kernel, the next two are needed #options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel #options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O # Optionally these may need tweaked, (defaults shown): #options NCPU=2 # number of CPUs #options NBUS=4 # number of busses #options NAPIC=1 # number of IO APICs #options NINTR=24 # number of INTs controller isa0 #controller eisa0 controller pci0 controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 disk fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 options "CMD640" # work around CMD640 chip deficiency controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 disk wd1 at wdc0 drive 1 controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 disk wd3 at wdc1 drive 1 options ATAPI #Enable ATAPI support for IDE bus options ATAPI_STATIC #Don't do it as an LKM device acd0 #IDE CD-ROM device wfd0 #IDE Floppy (e.g. LS-120) # A single entry for any of these controllers (ncr, ahb, ahc) is # sufficient for any number of installed devices. controller ncr0 controller ahb0 controller ahc0 controller isp0 # This controller offers a number of configuration options, too many to # document here - see the LINT file in this directory and look up the # dpt0 entry there for much fuller documentation on this. controller dpt0 #controller adv0 at isa? port ? cam irq ? #controller adw0 #controller bt0 at isa? port ? cam irq ? controller aha0 at isa? port ? cam irq ? #controller aic0 at isa? port 0x340 bio irq 11 controller scbus0 device da0 device sa0 device pass0 device cd0 #Only need one of these, the code dynamically grows #device wt0 at isa? port 0x300 bio irq 5 drq 1 #device mcd0 at isa? port 0x300 bio irq 10 #controller matcd0 at isa? port 0x230 bio #device scd0 at isa? port 0x230 bio # atkbdc0 controlls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse controller atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD tty device atkbd0 at isa? tty irq 1 device psm0 at isa? tty irq 12 device vga0 at isa? port ? conflicts # splash screen/screen saver pseudo-device splash # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? tty # Enable this and PCVT_FREEBSD for pcvt vt220 compatible console driver #device vt0 at isa? tty #options XSERVER # support for X server #options FAT_CURSOR # start with block cursor # If you have a ThinkPAD, uncomment this along with the rest of the PCVT lines #options PCVT_SCANSET=2 # IBM keyboards are non-std device npx0 at isa? port IO_NPX irq 13 # # Laptop support (see LINT for more options) # device apm0 at isa? disable flags 0x31 # Advanced Power Management # PCCARD (PCMCIA) support controller card0 #device pcic0 at isa? port 0x3e0 flags 0x1 irq 11 vector pcicintr device pcic0 at card? port 0x3e0 flags 0x1 irq 11 vector pcicintr device pcic1 at card? device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" flags 0x10 tty irq 9 device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 #device sio2 at isa? disable port "IO_COM3" tty irq 5 #device sio3 at isa? disable port "IO_COM4" tty irq 9 # Parallel port device ppc0 at isa? port? net irq 4 controller ppbus0 device nlpt0 at ppbus? device plip0 at ppbus? device ppi0 at ppbus? #controller vpo0 at ppbus? # Order is important here due to intrusive probes, do *not* alphabetize # this list of network interfaces until the probes have been fixed. # Right now it appears that the ie0 must be probed before ep0. See # revision 1.20 of this file. device ax0 device de0 device fxp0 device mx0 device pn0 device rl0 device tl0 device tx0 device vr0 device vx0 device wb0 device xl0 device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 7 iomem 0xd0000 vector edintr #device ie0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xd0000 #device ep0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 #device ex0 at isa? port? net irq? #device fe0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq ? #device le0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 5 iomem 0xd0000 #device lnc0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 10 drq 0 #device ze0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 #device zp0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 7 iomem 0xd8000 #device cs0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq ? pseudo-device loop pseudo-device ether pseudo-device sl 1 pseudo-device ppp 1 pseudo-device tun 1 pseudo-device pty 16 pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's # KTRACE enables the system-call tracing facility ktrace(2). # This adds 4 KB bloat to your kernel, and slightly increases # the costs of each syscall. options KTRACE #kernel tracing # This provides support for System V shared memory and message queues. # options SYSVSHM options SYSVMSG # The `bpfilter' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. Be # aware of the legal and administrative consequences of enabling this # option. The number of devices determines the maximum number of # simultaneous BPF clients programs runnable. pseudo-device bpfilter 4 #Berkeley packet filter # USB support controller uhci0 controller ohci0 controller usb0 # # for the moment we have to specify the priorities of the device # drivers explicitly by the ordering in the list below. This will # be changed in the future. # device ums0 device ukbd0 device ulpt0 device uhub0 device ucom0 device umodem0 device hid0 device ugen0 # #options USB_DEBUG options USBVERBOSE --------------------3.1 Dmesg Output------------------------------------------ Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE #0: Wed Mar 10 03:36:49 EST 1999 root@r7a003462as.atw.cable.rcn.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/DARKSTAR Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor (299.98-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x580 Stepping=0 Features=0x8001bf real memory = 33554432 (32768K bytes) avail memory = 29634560 (28940K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xf0320000. Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0x03 on pci0.0.0 vga0: rev 0x01 int a irq 10 on pci0.16.0 chip1: rev 0xc1 on pci0.18.0 pcic0: rev 0x01 int a irq 10 on pci0.24.0 pcic1: rev 0x01 int b irq 10 on pci0.24.1 Probing for devices on PCI bus 1: Probing for devices on PCI bus 2: Probing for devices on PCI bus 3: Probing for devices on PCI bus 4: Probing for devices on PCI bus 5: Probing for devices on PCI bus 6: Probing for devices on PCI bus 7: Probing for devices on PCI bus 8: Probing for devices on PCI bus 9: Probing for devices on PCI bus 10: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 on isa sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0 not found at 0x280 atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard atkbd0 irq 1 on isa psm0 irq 12 on isa psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 sio0: configured irq 9 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0x10 sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 9 flags 0x10 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 2067MB (4233600 sectors), 4200 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 on isa wdc1: unit 0 (atapi): , removable, accel, ovlap, dma, iordis acd0: drive speed 3445KB/sec, 128KB cache acd0: supported read types: CD-R, CD-DA acd0: Audio: play, 256 volume levels acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray acd0: Medium: CD-ROM 120mm data disc loaded, unlocked ppc0 at 0x378 irq 4 on isa ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode nlpt0: on ppbus 0 nlpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus 0 plip0: on ppbus 0 aha0 not found at 0x134 vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface PC-Card VLSI 82C146 (5 mem & 2 I/O windows) pcic: controller irq 5 Initializing PC-card drivers: ed changing root device to wd0s1a Card inserted, slot 0 ------------------------pccardc dumpcis under 3.1----------------------------------- Configuration data for card in slot 0 Tuple #1, code = 0x1 (Common memory descriptor), length = 3 000: d1 3a ff Common memory device information: Device number 1, type Function specific, WPS = OFF Speed = 250nS, Memory block size = 8Kb, 8 units Tuple #2, code = 0x1c (Other conditions for common memory), length = 4 000: 01 d1 3a ff (MWAIT) Tuple #3, code = 0x17 (Attribute memory descriptor), length = 3 000: 41 00 ff Attribute memory device information: Device number 1, type EEPROM, WPS = OFF Speed = 250nS, Memory block size = 512b, 1 units Tuple #4, code = 0x20 (Manufacturer ID), length = 4 000: 49 01 30 02 PCMCIA ID = 0x149, OEM ID = 0x230 Tuple #5, code = 0x21 (Functional ID), length = 2 000: 06 01 Network/LAN adapter - POST initialize Tuple #6, code = 0x15 (Version 1 info), length = 39 000: 04 01 4e 45 54 47 45 41 52 00 46 41 34 31 30 54 010: 58 00 46 61 73 74 20 45 74 68 65 72 6e 65 74 00 020: ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 Version = 4.1, Manuf = [NETGEAR],card vers = [FA410TX] Addit. info = [Fast Ethernet],[ÿ] Tuple #7, code = 0x1a (Configuration map), length = 5 000: 01 20 00 04 0b Reg len = 2, config register addr = 0x400, last config = 0x20 Registers: XX-X---- Tuple #8, code = 0x1b (Configuration entry), length = 7 000: e0 81 18 45 30 fc be Config index = 0x20(default) Interface byte = 0x81 (I/O) wait signal supported Card decodes 5 address lines, limited 8/16 Bit I/O IRQ modes: Pulse IRQ level = 5 Tuple #9, code = 0x14 (No link), length = 0 Tuple #10, code = 0xff (Terminator), length = 8 000: ca 60 40 03 1f 1b 07 04 2 slots found ---------------------finished-------------------------------- SORRY...! Thanks in Advance Kerberus To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 9:18: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from voyage.coolfitch.ie (pooh.elsevier.nl [145.36.9.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23E314D52; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:17:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steveo@iol.ie) Received: from voyage.coolfitch.ie (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by voyage.coolfitch.ie (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA09021; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:13:37 GMT (envelope-from steveo@iol.ie) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <36E7B14E.6FB51944@inetu.net> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:13:34 -0000 (GMT) From: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" To: Kerberus Subject: RE: CTX laptop & PCMCIA Cc: "freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG" Cc: "freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG" , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > 3.1, i have noticed under 3.1 that the PCIC controller in dmesg output > assigns it at irq 5, but there is a sound card at that irq, under > 2.2.8-PAO it was being assigned irq 11. so ill prolly get ripped for Hmm a couple of things spring to mind here. First make sure that the pccard.conf file lists only the usable interrupts (I know that doesn't affect the pcic interrupt but it does let 5 through by default so...). Now for the one that might do some real good, try adding this line to your boot/loader.rc file. set machdep.pccard.pcic.irq=11 The rc.pccard script does a kldload of pcic, it is probably worth trying with and without this. ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Steve O'Hara-Smith Date: 11-Mar-99 Time: 17:13:02 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 9:31:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from sloth.cs.unm.edu (sloth.cs.unm.edu [198.59.151.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB0014CFF for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:31:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from colinj@cs.unm.edu) Received: from waimea.cs.unm.edu ([198.83.92.103]) by sloth.cs.unm.edu with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10L9Is-00015J-00; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:31:26 -0700 Received: from localhost (colinj@localhost) by waimea.cs.unm.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA53634; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:31:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from colinj@cs.unm.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: waimea.cs.unm.edu: colinj owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:31:49 -0700 From: Colin Eric Johnson To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 1460C and 3.1-STABLE In-Reply-To: <36E786AE.8659F0A5@newsguy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Colin Eric Johnson wrote: > > > > I'm trying to build a kernel with support for the adaptec 1460C SlimSCSI > > card. I seem to run into the same problem over and over agian. Here's what > > I get when I run make depend: > > > > cc: ../../dev/aic6x60/aic.c: No such file or directory > > cc: ../../i386/isa/aic_isa.c: No such file or directory > > 3.1 does not support aic 6x60-based cards at the present. This has > never been ported since the introduction of CAM. The only SCSI > option available for noteboojs is the parallel port stuff. > > There is someone working on the aic port to cam, but no results have > been produced so far. > > If you are utterly disappointed at this, welcome to the club. :-( Well damn my eyes. So, can anyone tell me what it might take to ``CAM''ify a SCSI driver. I've looked on the FreeBSD www site but there weren't any obvious pointers to CAM information. I'd really like to have SCSI on my laptop. Colin E. Johnson | colinj@unm.edu | http://www.unm.edu/~colinj/ busily trying to figure out how to get a Players Club card . . . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 12:23:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles134.castles.com [208.214.165.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F8E14F5D for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:23:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01000; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:18:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199903112018.MAA01000@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Michael Robinson Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:20:39 +0800." <199903111020.SAA06918@netrinsics.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:18:05 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > >I hereby encourage all of those PCCARD hopefuls out there > >to rally around your new spiritual leader, Scott Mitchell, as he's > >now The Guy. > > Welcome spiritual leader! > > May I humbly submit that your first (or nearly first) order of business should > be getting the Cathedral architects to cough up some blueprints, so that we > mere rockbangers might labor with focus and direction? There's a standing offer out whereby we will help fund the exorbitantly expensive PCCARD documentation for seriously interested parties. For obvious reasons, we don't want to do this up front.... -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 12:35: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles134.castles.com [208.214.165.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758CF15543; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:35:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01045; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:29:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199903112029.MAA01045@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: kerberus@inetu.net Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" , "freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: CTX laptop & PCMCIA In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:04:32 GMT." <36E7B14E.6FB51944@inetu.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:29:20 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > 3.1, i have noticed under 3.1 that the PCIC controller in dmesg output > assigns it at irq 5, but there is a sound card at that irq, under > 2.2.8-PAO it was being assigned irq 11. so ill prolly get ripped for Say : set machdep.pccard.pcic_irq=3D11 in /boot/loader.rc on your 3.1 system. -- = \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 13: 8:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF911521A for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:08:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04395; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:08:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Scott Mitchell Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:49:36 GMT." <19990311154936.Q23921@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:08:49 -0800 Message-ID: <4393.921186529@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Jordan, you really are the *man* -- here I was expecting to get my ass > chewed off by half of -core, but no, I roll in to work and find out I've > been crowned (condemned?) to be the PC-card guy. Darn that timezone thing > -- never had a chance to defend myself :-) Always pick your battles with those who can't defend themselves. I think it was Clauswitz who said that, or maybe Woody Allen. :) > committed, and start my new job. The most I'll be able to accomplish in > the interim is getting folks organised, gathering documentation and > figuring out exactly what we're hoping to get done. I think that will be more than enough in the short term. > I've come to believe that "if you want something doing, do it yourself" is > a truism, so rather than be one of the whiners, here I am. Plus, it looks > good on my resume, you know :) I like this guy. :) > Wow, my own hat and commit privs too! One thing I was wondering though, > does this mean I should be running -current? The laptop actually gets used > for the (paid) work as well, so I'd like to it be somewhat stable most of > the time. I guess -current is where the dynamic device support will be > happening though, huh? -current would definitely be best, though you don't necessarily have to run it on the laptop, just somewhere that you can build test kernels for it. Still, I run -current on my own production machine (zippy) and it hasn't hurt me yet. You just need to read the -current mailing list and stay away from updating during those periods where at least several people are yelling "Fire!" > To everyone else who cc'd stuff to me -- sorry I don't have time this week > to reply to everyone personally. I'll make a general posting early next > week once I've had a few days to think about exactly where I see things > going, and we can take it from there. Sounds great. > Looking forward to working with y'all, Likewise! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 13:10: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E90161527A for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04409; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:10:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Alan DuBoff Cc: Victor Salaman , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:01:45 PST." <3.0.32.19990311080142.02013ab0@blueneptune.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:10:14 -0800 Message-ID: <4407.921186614@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Ooops, I didn't mean to...what I meant was it was a *HUGE* chubby, it was > enormous! It was Johnny Holmes size! Welllll.. OK. I forgive you. > Actually, it was larger than any other core member! (pun????) *groan*. OK, I take it back about forgiving you. :) > But seriously, all I was saying is watch what you type, words can be > offensive to some, don't shoot your chubby off. Not to worry, Kevlar underwear is a standard part of the core team kit. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 13:16:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from teknos.teknos.com (teknos-gw.nappr.org [216.0.190.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3721E152D1 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:16:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from salaman@teknos.com) Received: by TEKNOS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:23:11 -0400 Message-ID: <608F4F76C94DD211B93100805F29063A8D8F@TEKNOS> From: Victor Salaman To: 'Scott Mitchell' Cc: "'freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org'" , "'freebsd-xircom@lovett.com'" Subject: Cards I have tested with the Xircom driver Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:23:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org CEM2 (CreditCard Ethernet+Modem) (sometimes doesn't work) ------ Code 136 not found Code 136 not found code Unknown ignored Code 137 not found Code 137 not found code Unknown ignored code Manufacturer ID ignored Configuration data for card in slot 1 Tuple #1, code = 0x1 (Common memory descriptor), length = 2 000: 00 ff Common memory device information: Device number 1, type No device, WPS = OFF Speed = No speed, Memory block size = reserved, 32 units Tuple #2, code = 0x17 (Attribute memory descriptor), length = 2 000: 00 ff Attribute memory device information: Device number 1, type No device, WPS = OFF Speed = No speed, Memory block size = reserved, 32 units Tuple #3, code = 0x15 (Version 1 info), length = 49 000: 04 01 58 69 72 63 6f 6d 00 43 72 65 64 69 74 43 010: 61 72 64 20 45 74 68 65 72 6e 65 74 2b 4d 6f 64 020: 65 6d 20 49 49 00 43 45 4d 32 00 31 2e 30 30 00 030: ff Version = 4.1, Manuf = [Xircom],card vers = [CreditCard Ethernet+Modem II] Addit. info = [CEM2],[1.00] Tuple #4, code = 0x0 (Null tuple), length = 8 000: 49 52 7e 00 00 00 00 00 Tuple #5, code = 0x0 (Null tuple), length = 8 000: 04 06 00 80 c7 49 52 7e Tuple #6, code = 0x0 (Null tuple), length = 5 000: 05 01 0a 11 42 Tuple #7, code = 0x44 (Card init date), length = 4 000: 3c 8c 49 1e Tuple #8, code = 0x1a (Configuration map), length = 5 000: 01 03 00 08 03 Reg len = 2, config register addr = 0x800, last config = 0x3 Registers: XX------ Tuple #9, code = 0x1b (Configuration entry), length = 23 000: c0 c1 bd 0f 55 c5 19 55 3e e0 17 17 ea 60 f8 03 010: 07 70 bc 86 20 00 20 Config index = 0x0(default) Interface byte = 0xc1 (I/O) +RDY/-BSY active, wait signal supported Vcc pwr: Nominal operating supply voltage: 5 x 1V Minimum operating supply voltage: 4 x 1V, ext = 0x19 Maximum operating supply voltage: 5 x 1V Continuous supply current: 3.5 x 100mA Wait scale Speed = 1.2 x 10 ms RDY/BSY scale Speed = 1.2 x 10 ms Card decodes 23 address lines IRQ modes: IRQs: NMI IOCK BERR 0 1 2 4 8 9 10 12 Memory space length = 0xf860 Max twin cards = 3 Misc attr: Tuple #10, code = 0x1b (Configuration entry), length = 7 000: 01 08 ea 60 f8 02 07 Config index = 0x1 Card decodes 10 address lines, full 8/16 Bit I/O I/O address # 1: block start = 0x2f8 block length = 0x8 Tuple #11, code = 0x1b (Configuration entry), length = 7 000: 02 08 ea 60 e8 03 07 Config index = 0x2 Card decodes 10 address lines, full 8/16 Bit I/O I/O address # 1: block start = 0x3e8 block length = 0x8 Tuple #12, code = 0x1b (Configuration entry), length = 7 000: 03 08 ea 60 e8 02 07 Config index = 0x3 Card decodes 10 address lines, full 8/16 Bit I/O I/O address # 1: block start = 0x2e8 block length = 0x8 Tuple #13, code = 0x21 (Functional ID), length = 2 000: 02 00 Serial port/modem Tuple #14, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 4 000: 00 00 0f 7c Serial interface extension: 8250 UART, Parity - Space,Mark,Odd,Even, Tuple #15, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 9 000: 01 1f 3f 00 04 00 00 04 00 Modem interface capabilities: Tuple #16, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 12 000: 02 00 06 3e 0f 03 03 08 03 00 00 b5 Data modem services available: Tuple #17, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 8 000: 03 00 06 0e 00 00 00 b5 Tuple #18, code = 0xff (Terminator), length = 0 2 slots found [CreditCard 10/100] -------------------------- Code 136 not found Code 136 not found code Unknown ignored code Manufacturer ID ignored Configuration data for card in slot 1 Tuple #1, code = 0x1 (Common memory descriptor), length = 2 000: 00 ff Common memory device information: Device number 1, type No device, WPS = OFF Speed = No speed, Memory block size = reserved, 32 units Tuple #2, code = 0x17 (Attribute memory descriptor), length = 2 000: 00 ff Attribute memory device information: Device number 1, type No device, WPS = OFF Speed = No speed, Memory block size = reserved, 32 units Tuple #3, code = 0x15 (Version 1 info), length = 44 000: 05 00 58 69 72 63 6f 6d 00 43 72 65 64 69 74 43 010: 61 72 64 20 31 30 2f 31 30 30 00 43 45 33 2d 31 020: 30 2f 31 30 30 00 31 2e 30 30 00 ff Version = 5.0, Manuf = [Xircom],card vers = [CreditCard 10/100] Addit. info = [CE3-10/100],[1.00] Tuple #4, code = 0x0 (Null tuple), length = 8 000: 51 f4 95 00 00 00 00 00 Tuple #5, code = 0x0 (Null tuple), length = 5 000: 05 01 0a 01 43 Tuple #6, code = 0x44 (Card init date), length = 4 000: 0b 3e 2b 21 Tuple #7, code = 0x1a (Configuration map), length = 5 000: 01 01 00 08 03 Reg len = 2, config register addr = 0x800, last config = 0x1 Registers: XX------ Tuple #8, code = 0x1b (Configuration entry), length = 25 000: c1 c1 bd 7f 55 4d 5d 3e 46 46 06 e0 17 17 e4 60 010: 00 00 0f 70 bc 8e 10 00 20 Config index = 0x1(default) Interface byte = 0xc1 (I/O) +RDY/-BSY active, wait signal supported Vcc pwr: Nominal operating supply voltage: 5 x 1V Minimum operating supply voltage: 4.5 x 1V Maximum operating supply voltage: 5.5 x 1V Continuous supply current: 3.5 x 100mA Max current average over 1 second: 4 x 100mA Max current average over 10 ms: 4 x 100mA Power down supply current: 1 x 100mA Wait scale Speed = 1.2 x 10 ms RDY/BSY scale Speed = 1.2 x 10 ms Card decodes 23 address lines IRQ modes: IRQs: NMI IOCK BERR 0 1 2 4 8 9 10 12 Memory space length = 0x60 Max twin cards = 0 Misc attr: Tuple #9, code = 0x21 (Functional ID), length = 2 000: 06 00 Network/LAN adapter Tuple #10, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 8 000: 04 06 00 80 c7 51 f4 95 Voice services available: Tuple #11, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 2 000: 01 02 Modem interface capabilities: Tuple #12, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 5 000: 02 80 96 98 00 Data modem services available: Tuple #13, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 5 000: 02 00 e1 f5 05 Data modem services available: Tuple #14, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 2 000: 03 01 Tuple #15, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 2 000: 03 03 Tuple #16, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 2 000: 05 00 Modem interface capabilities: Tuple #17, code = 0xff (Terminator), length = 0 2 slots found [Compaq Card] -------------------------------------------- Code 136 not found Code 136 not found code Unknown ignored code Manufacturer ID ignored Configuration data for card in slot 1 Tuple #1, code = 0x1 (Common memory descriptor), length = 2 000: 00 ff Common memory device information: Device number 1, type No device, WPS = OFF Speed = No speed, Memory block size = reserved, 32 units Tuple #2, code = 0x17 (Attribute memory descriptor), length = 2 000: 00 ff Attribute memory device information: Device number 1, type No device, WPS = OFF Speed = No speed, Memory block size = reserved, 32 units Tuple #3, code = 0x15 (Version 1 info), length = 53 000: 05 00 43 6f 6d 70 61 71 00 4e 65 74 65 6c 6c 69 010: 67 65 6e 74 20 31 30 2f 31 30 30 20 50 43 20 43 020: 61 72 64 00 43 50 51 2d 31 30 2f 31 30 30 00 31 030: 2e 30 30 00 ff Version = 5.0, Manuf = [Compaq],card vers = [Netelligent 10/100 PC Card] Addit. info = [CPQ-10/100],[1.00] Tuple #4, code = 0x0 (Null tuple), length = 8 000: 80 f6 00 00 00 00 00 00 Tuple #5, code = 0x0 (Null tuple), length = 5 000: 83 01 0a 01 43 Tuple #6, code = 0x44 (Card init date), length = 4 000: da 6c 4e 24 Tuple #7, code = 0x1a (Configuration map), length = 5 000: 01 01 00 08 03 Reg len = 2, config register addr = 0x800, last config = 0x1 Registers: XX------ Tuple #8, code = 0x1b (Configuration entry), length = 25 000: c1 c1 bd 7f 55 4d 5d 3e 46 46 06 e0 17 17 e4 60 010: 00 00 0f 70 bc 8e 10 00 20 Config index = 0x1(default) Interface byte = 0xc1 (I/O) +RDY/-BSY active, wait signal supported Vcc pwr: Nominal operating supply voltage: 5 x 1V Minimum operating supply voltage: 4.5 x 1V Maximum operating supply voltage: 5.5 x 1V Continuous supply current: 3.5 x 100mA Max current average over 1 second: 4 x 100mA Max current average over 10 ms: 4 x 100mA Power down supply current: 1 x 100mA Wait scale Speed = 1.2 x 10 ms RDY/BSY scale Speed = 1.2 x 10 ms Card decodes 23 address lines IRQ modes: IRQs: NMI IOCK BERR 0 1 2 4 8 9 10 12 Memory space length = 0x60 Max twin cards = 0 Misc attr: Tuple #9, code = 0x21 (Functional ID), length = 2 000: 06 00 Network/LAN adapter Tuple #10, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 8 000: 04 06 00 80 5f d8 f6 80 Voice services available: Tuple #11, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 2 000: 01 02 Modem interface capabilities: Tuple #12, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 5 000: 02 80 96 98 00 Data modem services available: Tuple #13, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 5 000: 02 00 e1 f5 05 Data modem services available: Tuple #14, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 2 000: 03 01 Tuple #15, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 2 000: 03 03 Tuple #16, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 2 000: 05 00 Modem interface capabilities: Tuple #17, code = 0xff (Terminator), length = 0 2 slots found -----Original Message----- From: Scott Mitchell [mailto:rsm@acm.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 1:42 PM To: Victor Salaman Subject: Xircom driver On Tue, Feb 02, 1999 at 01:55:07PM -0400, Victor Salaman wrote: > I have tested on a Compaq Card 10/100, a CE3 Card and a CE2.... and it > works... Hi Victor, Sorry to bother you again; I'm trying to clear out all the unresolved mail in my Xircom box. Could you confirm that the driver does in fact work on all of the cards you listed above? It would also be helpful if you could mail me a copy of the 'pccardc dumpcis' output for each of those cards, for comparison with hardware that doesn't work :( The best thing is probably to send these to the mailing list at so the other folks hacking on the driver get to see them as well. Have you tried the newer versions of the driver yet? The media selection is (mostly) working now so it should be more pleasant to use. Many thanks in advance, Scott -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID |"If I can't have my coffee, I'm just | 0x54B171B9 | like a dried up piece of roast goat" QMW College, London, UK | 0xAA775B8B | -- J. S. Bach. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 14: 4:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mail.kt.rim.or.jp (mail.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252B615036 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:04:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp) Received: from moon.sky.rim.or.jp (ppp354.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.140.54]) by mail.kt.rim.or.jp (8.8.8/3.6W-RIMNET-98-06-09) with ESMTP id HAA12920 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:04:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from sky.rim.or.jp (earth.sky.rim.or.jp [192.168.1.2]) by moon.sky.rim.or.jp (8.8.8/3.5Wpl4/moon-1.0) with ESMTP id HAA00342 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:04:22 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36E83DD1.D0313F@sky.rim.or.jp> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:04:01 +0900 From: Jun Kuriyama X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [ja] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: PAO for 3.1 References: <36E696E0.9396A55B@sky.rim.or.jp> <36E65467.14B4F454@inetu.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kerberus wrote: > Ummm WHEN.... I need it like seriously now, i have no network connectivity > for my pcmcia cards.....! is there pre-release code someplace i could > maybe help to test for you. I don't know when. :-) Development team doesn't fix release date yet. PAO for RELENG_3 can get only via cvsup: >*default host=cvsup.jp.freebsd.org >*default base=/usr/sup >*default prefix=/usr/src >*default release=cvs tag=. >*default delete use-rel-suffix preserve >jp-pao3 We can upgrade to PAO3 like this: 1. Install 2.2.8-R with PAO 2. Copy PAO3 source via cvsup as above 3. Copy 3.1-R install image into filesystem 4. Upgrade install using 3.1-R (Don't newfs PAO3 sources and 3.1-R image during installation) 5. Compile and install PAO3 kernel and userland programs -- Jun Kuriyama // kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp // kuriyama@FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 14:10:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from Bespin.worldnet.net (bespin.worldnet.net [195.3.3.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 745B31529B for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:10:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pcasidy@worldnet.fr) Received: from greatoak.home (p14-005.province.worldnet.fr [195.3.14.5]) by Bespin.worldnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA06722 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:08:04 +0100 (CET) Received: (from pcasidy@localhost) by greatoak.home (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA04451 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:03:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pcasidy) Message-Id: <199903112203.XAA04451@greatoak.home> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:03:57 +0100 (CET) From: Philippe CASIDY Subject: Re: compatibility list To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19990310181537.16981@goatsucker.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 10 Mar, Scott Mitchell wrote: > So consider me volunteered to do (some of) the work...anyone else who wants > in, please stand up now. That means 'political' and logistical as well as > technical contributions; eg. is the project in a position to loan cards, > PCMCIA specs, etc (laptops?) to those producing the code? Wow, that all's > quite a rant coming from me...time to get back to the thesis I think :) > > Ducks behind his desk, expecting flamage... > > Scott I am also volunteer!! I am trying to get a 3Com 3CCFEM556BI (modem 56K + Ethernet) on my 2.2.8 laptop. But my problem is I do not know where is the place to add this support!! I am tracking the kernel code to check what has to be improve and I am quite lost. Is there a place where I can get information? Both on how to implement this and about PCCARD specs? I really want to do this and I want to do it right. Phil. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 14:35:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F58315241; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:35:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (keep.lan.Awfulhak.org [172.16.0.8]) by awfulhak.org (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13985; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:12:07 GMT (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00574; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:15:40 GMT (envelope-from brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199903111915.TAA00574@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Cc: oly@world.std.com, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:37:24 PST." <199903102237.OAA94987@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:15:40 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Maybe we'll feel better if we collect more "happy" stories. :) My last *4* laptops have worked fine. I've had the same 3c589c throughout, but I've used various modems - all of which took about 10 minutes each to setup (I've had bigger problems setting up the NIC with a new laptop, but this has turned out to be things like not disabling the IrDA port on a CTX Cybernote). Hot-unplugging the NIC sometimes crashes the machine (~5%), but if it can't be helped, so be it. I bought a Compaq Presario a while ago with a Cyrix MediaGX chip and promptly brought it back because of the apm/timer problems. All-in-all, I'm a happy laptop user ! > Satoshi -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 14:38:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E97F15248 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:38:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (keep.lan.Awfulhak.org [172.16.0.8]) by awfulhak.org (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13700; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:05:51 GMT (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00600; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:24:58 GMT (envelope-from brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199903111924.TAA00600@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Scott Mitchell Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: compatibility list In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:49:36 GMT." <19990311154936.Q23921@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:24:58 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [.....] > Wow, my own hat and commit privs too! One thing I was wondering though, > does this mean I should be running -current? The laptop actually gets used > for the (paid) work as well, so I'd like to it be somewhat stable most of > the time. I guess -current is where the dynamic device support will be > happening though, huh? I've been running -current on my laptop since last December and haven't had a down day yet (except when the backlight went and when I spilt a glass of wine over it). IMHO, -current is impressively stable these days. [.....] > Scott > > -- > =========================================================================== > Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID |"If I can't have my coffee, I'm just > | 0x54B171B9 | like a dried up piece of roast goat" > QMW College, London, UK | 0xAA775B8B | -- J. S. Bach. -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 14:40:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F14BE1526A; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:38:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (keep.lan.Awfulhak.org [172.16.0.8]) by awfulhak.org (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13975; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:08:21 GMT (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00672; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:41:28 GMT (envelope-from brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199903111941.TAA00672@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: Kerberus , "freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG" , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: CTX laptop & PCMCIA In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:13:34 GMT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:41:28 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Now for the one that might do some real good, try adding this line to > your boot/loader.rc file. > > set machdep.pccard.pcic.irq=11 > > The rc.pccard script does a kldload of pcic, it is probably worth > trying with and without this. That's set machdep.pccard.pcic_irq=11 > ---------------------------------- > E-Mail: Steve O'Hara-Smith > Date: 11-Mar-99 > Time: 17:13:02 > > This message was sent by XFMail > ---------------------------------- -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 18:37:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from grizzly.fas.com (cc69528-a.mtpls1.sc.home.com [24.6.61.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09AB415122 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:37:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) Received: by grizzly.fas.com ($Revision: 1.37.109.23 $/16.2) id AA171096225; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:37:06 -0500 Subject: Why don't I see any output from PCMCIA configuration on bootup To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Mobile List) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:37:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Stan Brown" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1346 Message-Id: <19990312023736.09AB415122@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am really pzzled. I have a laptop on 2.2.7 which uses a perl script to figure out what network it's on, and set up various (mostly network) paramters to suit. This perl script is called from the "insert" action of pccardd. It generates a certain amount of noise about what it is doing. This ouptut appears on the console dusring bootup. Now I have a second laptop, with 3.o on it. A simialr version of this script is also called from the "insert" action, however I do not see the output on the console. If I run pccardd manualy, I do see it. I looked around, and founde rc.pccard. At first I thought this was pointing me in the right dorection, when I found the redirection to /var/log/pcardd.debug. However this file is empty. I really want this information abck, can someone give me a clue as to where it is geting redirected, and how to get it back? Thanks. -- Stan Brown stanb@netcom.com 843-745-3154 Westvaco Charleston SC. -- Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. - (c) 1999 Stan Brown. Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 21:47:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rainey.blueneptune.com (rainey.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF3831517A for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:47:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Received: from jester (ppp101.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.101]) by rainey.blueneptune.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA22345; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:47:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990311213854.01f51c20@blueneptune.com> X-Sender: aland@blueneptune.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:38:56 -0800 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" From: Alan DuBoff Subject: Re: compatibility list Cc: Victor Salaman , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:10 PM 3/11/99 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >*groan*. OK, I take it back about forgiving you. :) My rating is like a yo-yo... >Not to worry, Kevlar underwear is a standard part of the core team >kit. I'm glad to hear you aren't wearing silk panties! :-/ Alan DuBoff - Conductor Software Orchestration, Inc. aland@SoftOrchestra.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 21:51:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rainey.blueneptune.com (rainey.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20E514E71 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:51:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Received: from jester (ppp101.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.101]) by rainey.blueneptune.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA22726; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:51:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990311214304.01f51ba0@blueneptune.com> X-Sender: aland@blueneptune.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:43:08 -0800 To: Scott Mitchell From: Alan DuBoff Subject: Re: compatibility list Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 04:26 PM 3/11/99 +0000, Scott Mitchell wrote: >It's not too hideous, if you don't mind getting your hands dirty on kernel >code. Probably wouldn't mind that at all, it's all in c isn't it? I'm not terribly fond of assembler, I hear it makes you go impotent! >If you've got working code for Linux or whatever, then a 'port' amounts to >munging that into the BSD driver framework, which is a little different. No kidding??? I figured that much, I was hoping you might be able to share with me what some of those differences are. >The ed driver is a really good template -- I've basically ended up ripping >out the h/w specific parts of that and replacing them with the Xircom >stuff. For a 10/100 card you'll also have to deal with media >autoselection; the xl, fxp and tl (?) drivers are pretty good sources for >that. I'll look into that stuff. I guess I can get the Linux code on the distribution CD. >There you go. Easy huh? Couldn't say until I look at it! Alan DuBoff - Conductor Software Orchestration, Inc. aland@SoftOrchestra.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 23:26:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from scan.atvideo.com (ns1.atvideo.com [204.57.215.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C127A14C13 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:26:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ninja405@warlords.net) Received: from ninja (03-148.009.popsite.net [207.227.230.148]) by scan.atvideo.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA03197 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:29:26 -0800 (PST) From: "ninja405" To: Subject: 3com 574tx support Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:19:21 -0800 Message-ID: <000001be6c58$a6634cc0$94e6e3cf@ninja> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone come up with an /etc/pccard.conf configuration for a Fast Etherlink 16-bit 10/100 3C574-TX pccard? Or if there is a work around to get the right driver installed? I am running pccardd on a 2.2.8-Release laptop. Thanks, -Ninja405 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 11 23:54: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rainey.blueneptune.com (rainey.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0102B14CF1 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:54:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Received: from SoftOrchestra.com (ppp113.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.113]) by rainey.blueneptune.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA02675; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:53:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Message-ID: <36E8C810.D4F9B182@SoftOrchestra.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:53:52 -0800 From: Alan DuBoff Organization: Software Orchestration, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 i86pc) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ninja405 Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3com 574tx support References: <000001be6c58$a6634cc0$94e6e3cf@ninja> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ninja405 wrote: > > Has anyone come up with an /etc/pccard.conf configuration for a Fast > Etherlink 16-bit 10/100 3C574-TX pccard? Or if there is a work around to get > the right driver installed? I am running pccardd on a 2.2.8-Release laptop. Mr. Ninja, Are you blind or just can't read? If you just came to this list, please go back and read the past couple days and you will see that I was talking about porting the driver to FreeBSD, possibly (not sure yet). That means the driver must not be here... Had I not typed 3 or 4 messages related to this very card I probably wouldn't have an attitude about it, but in this case you come in here right after I've posted a few messages on this very card. IOW, it's more than just being able to set some settings in pccard.conf, you are gonna need a driver to go along with it. OTOH, do you have a driver? Maybe I'll just use yours and then I won't have to port it. And did you see that card listed for 2.2.8-Release? If so, let me in on where you saw it listed, I would like to know about it. -- Alan DuBoff - Conductor Software Orchestration, Inc. aland@SoftOrchestra.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 12 0:10:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from voyage.coolfitch.ie (pooh.elsevier.nl [145.36.9.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599F51517A; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:05:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steveo@iol.ie) Received: from voyage.coolfitch.ie (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by voyage.coolfitch.ie (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA66761; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:00:34 GMT (envelope-from steveo@iol.ie) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199903111941.TAA00672@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:00:33 -0000 (GMT) From: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" To: Brian Somers Subject: Re: CTX laptop & PCMCIA Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" , "freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG" , Kerberus Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > That's > set machdep.pccard.pcic_irq=11 That'll teach me not to type when I can cut & paste - sorry. ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Steve O'Hara-Smith Date: 12-Mar-99 Time: 07:59:46 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 12 1:34:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 079A91535B for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:34:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA06808; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:34:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Alan DuBoff Cc: ninja405 , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3com 574tx support In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:53:52 PST." <36E8C810.D4F9B182@SoftOrchestra.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:34:50 -0800 Message-ID: <6806.921231290@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Are you blind or just can't read? > > If you just came to this list, please go back and read the past couple days > and you will see that I was talking about porting the driver to FreeBSD, > possibly (not sure yet). That means the driver must not be here... Whoa! I think you might have bitten the poor man's head off just a bit too quickly here. Articles don't enter the search archives until at least a week has elapsed, so he can probably be forgiven for not having seen the last couple days' worth of articles on this. To be frank, I don't remember anything on this topic myself. Just lots of flames about our lack of pccard support, probably started by me. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 12 1:50: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from www0j.netaddress.usa.net (www0j.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D13B115304 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:50:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from monroyj@usa.net) Received: (qmail 14633 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Mar 1999 09:43:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19990312094335.14632.qmail@www0j.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.39 by www0j via web-mailer(M3.0.0.11) on Fri Mar 12 09:43:35 GMT 1999 Date: 12 Mar 99 01:43:35 PST From: JESSE MONROY To: Jordan K.Hubbard , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [ Re: compatibility list ] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jordan, did you decide to spam the mailing-list now that you know I monitor it.... = BTW: to get porn information goto: http://www.thepinkpages.com = "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > Ooops, I didn't mean to...what I meant was it was a *HUGE* chubby, it= was > > enormous! It was Johnny Holmes size! > = > Welllll.. OK. I forgive you. > = > > Actually, it was larger than any other core member! (pun????) > = > *groan*. OK, I take it back about forgiving you. :) > = > > But seriously, all I was saying is watch what you type, words can be > > offensive to some, don't shoot your chubby off. > = > Not to worry, Kevlar underwear is a standard part of the core team > kit. > = > - Jordan > = > = > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 12 1:56:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from gamma.qmw.ac.uk (gamma.qmw.ac.uk [138.37.6.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D2DF714C9E for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:56:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scott@dcs.qmw.ac.uk) Received: from hotpoint.dcs.qmw.ac.uk by gamma.qmw.ac.uk with SMTP-QMW with ESMTP; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:56:24 +0000 Received: from brunos-sun [138.37.88.185]; by hotpoint.dcs.qmw.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5/S-4.0) with SMTP; id JAA08753; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:55:03 GMT Received: locally by brunos-sun (SMI-8.6/QMW-client-3.2b); poster "scott"; id JAA24355; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:51:38 GMT Message-ID: <19990312095137.V23921@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:51:37 +0000 From: Scott Mitchell To: Mike Smith , Michael Robinson Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list References: <199903111020.SAA06918@netrinsics.com> <199903112018.MAA01000@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199903112018.MAA01000@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 12:18:05PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 12:18:05PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > > >I hereby encourage all of those PCCARD hopefuls out there > > >to rally around your new spiritual leader, Scott Mitchell, as he's > > >now The Guy. > > > > Welcome spiritual leader! > > > > May I humbly submit that your first (or nearly first) order of business should > > be getting the Cathedral architects to cough up some blueprints, so that we > > mere rockbangers might labor with focus and direction? > > There's a standing offer out whereby we will help fund the exorbitantly > expensive PCCARD documentation for seriously interested parties. > > For obvious reasons, we don't want to do this up front.... They seem to have dropped the price -- only 300 bucks now [cf. the $500 that Nate paid :-( ] Random idea time: members of the PCMCIA cabal get the same thing for $50. Would we be violating anyone's licence if someone in one of the member companies bought a couple of copies (with FreeBSD cash) and then 'donated' them back to the project? Too much trouble to save a couple hundred bucks? I'd try this with my contacts at Xircom, but I think I should wait until I've signed the licence and got the specs for their own cards before seeing how far I can push this relationship :) Scott -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID |"If I can't have my coffee, I'm just | 0x54B171B9 | like a dried up piece of roast goat" QMW College, London, UK | 0xAA775B8B | -- J. S. Bach. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 12 2: 0:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rainey.blueneptune.com (rainey.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D70815398 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:00:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Received: from jester (ppp154.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.154]) by rainey.blueneptune.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA11307; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:00:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990312015157.01f42430@blueneptune.com> X-Sender: aland@blueneptune.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:52:00 -0800 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" From: Alan DuBoff Subject: Re: 3com 574tx support Cc: ninja405 , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:34 AM 3/12/99 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >Whoa! I think you might have bitten the poor man's head off just a >bit too quickly here. And after I sent it I said to myself, "self, I can see why Jordan had his balls caught in an updraft..." I had to work in Oakland today, see what it did to me...;-) I guess I owe the ninja an apology... Ninja sama, gomen nasai. Kyo-wa taihen deshita, boku no tenshou wa taxan bacatari deshita. Keredomo, boku wa mo bacatari deshita, gomen, ne! Anyway, I've talked about this before. The 574 card is one of the better 10/100 cards for the laptops because it is 16 bit. It only had support for Win, as the 575, the 32 bit CardBus model. I had one of those actually and sent it back to 3Com in return for this 574, due to the problem of the 2nd card (has to be a 16 bit card, since few laptops have 2 32 bit slots) doesn't show up on a reboot. Laptops have been plagued with pccard support in general, and no suprise, since most laptop manufacturers all used different standards. I think the new models are better conforming, I'm not totally sure though, and my laptop is a year and a half old. Back to the 3c574-TX. Linux supports it, and is the only version of PC unix that does (providing you consider Linux to be unix). Also note, the 574 has a limitation that it will really only do about 27mbps-30mbps on a 100mbps connection, but it is 16 bit. I don't think there is nearly as many 574 cards as there is 589 cards, and I got the 589 recentely as it is supported by ALL PC OSs, too bad it was discontinued, those Mega$#!Ts with the X-jack_off connector is really a quack design... Alan DuBoff - Conductor Software Orchestration, Inc. aland@SoftOrchestra.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 12 2:49:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from hotpoint.dcs.qmw.ac.uk (hotpoint.dcs.qmw.ac.uk [138.37.88.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927D015213 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:49:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scott@dcs.qmw.ac.uk) Received: from brunos-sun [138.37.88.185]; by hotpoint.dcs.qmw.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5/S-4.0) with SMTP; id KAA14701; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:49:03 GMT Received: locally by brunos-sun (SMI-8.6/QMW-client-3.2b); poster "scott"; id KAA24467; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:45:38 GMT Message-ID: <19990312104537.D28636@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:45:37 +0000 From: Scott Mitchell To: Alan DuBoff Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: compatibility list References: <3.0.32.19990311214304.01f51ba0@blueneptune.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19990311214304.01f51ba0@blueneptune.com>; from Alan DuBoff on Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 09:43:08PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 09:43:08PM -0800, Alan DuBoff wrote: > At 04:26 PM 3/11/99 +0000, Scott Mitchell wrote: > > >If you've got working code for Linux or whatever, then a 'port' amounts to > >munging that into the BSD driver framework, which is a little different. > > > No kidding??? > > > I figured that much, I was hoping you might be able to share with me what > some of those differences are. Oh, you want *details*. It's really a case of 'different, but the same'. I mean, the Linux driver will have an interrupt service routine that looks like, well, an interrupt service routine. And a routine to send packets. And a big hairy bit of code to configure the card, etc. Obviously the BSD data structures for the top half of the driver are different -- ifnet(9) is a reasonable intro to that stuff. You'll also need to fix things to deal with data in mbufs rather than whatever Linux uses. Really though, I think you'll find that the BSD-specific part of the driver ends up looking like all the others, and the card-specific bits look just like they do in the Linux code. The source really is your friend. Scott -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID |"If I can't have my coffee, I'm just | 0x54B171B9 | like a dried up piece of roast goat" QMW College, London, UK | 0xAA775B8B | -- J. S. Bach. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 12 5: 9: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from luke.pmr.com (luke.pmr.com [207.170.114.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDFA614D38 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 05:08:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bob@luke.pmr.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.pmr.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id HAA21601; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:07:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:07:40 -0600 From: Bob Willcox To: Alan DuBoff Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , ninja405 , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3com 574tx support Message-ID: <19990312070740.A21542@luke.pmr.com> Reply-To: Bob Willcox References: <3.0.32.19990312015157.01f42430@blueneptune.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19990312015157.01f42430@blueneptune.com>; from Alan DuBoff on Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 01:52:00AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I too, have one of the 3c574-TX cards that I would like to get working on my Dell Inspiron 7000 laptop. I would be happy to help with the porting/testing/whatever. Bob -- Bob Willcox The man who follows the crowd will usually get no bob@luke.pmr.com further than the crowd. The man who walks alone is Austin, TX likely to find himself in places no one has ever been. -- Alan Ashley-Pitt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 12 5:50:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from fep2-orange.clear.net.nz (fep2-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD1415324 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 05:50:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jabley@buddha.clear.net.nz) Received: from buddha.clear.net.nz (buddha.clear.net.nz [192.168.24.106]) by fep2-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.9) with ESMTP id CAA08936; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 02:50:11 +1300 (NZDT) Received: (from jabley@localhost) by buddha.clear.net.nz (8.9.3/8.9.1) id CAA69384; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 02:50:10 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from jabley) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 02:50:10 +1300 From: Joe Abley To: Mike Smith Cc: Michael Robinson , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, jabley@clear.co.nz Subject: Re: compatibility list Message-ID: <19990313025010.C64180@clear.co.nz> References: <199903111020.SAA06918@netrinsics.com> <199903112018.MAA01000@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199903112018.MAA01000@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 12:18:05PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 12:18:05PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > May I humbly submit that your first (or nearly first) order of business > > should be getting the Cathedral architects to cough up some blueprints, > > so that we mere rockbangers might labor with focus and direction? > > There's a standing offer out whereby we will help fund the exorbitantly > expensive PCCARD documentation for seriously interested parties. I thought that this original message was more in reference to the FreeBSD generic removable device architecture, rather than PCMCIA-specific stuff. I have essentially no experience whatsoever with PC hardware design other than watching kernel boot messages with a slightly perplexed and worried expression, but I take it that a key issue for generic removable devices is that of interrupt probing while the kernel is generally scrabbling for the alarm clock and fumbling about for the first cigarette of the day. I'd just like to get a conceptual picture of what a future design might be as seen from userland -- maybe someone could comment on this? + for busses which are known to support removable devices, there will be an (interrupt-driven, presumably) mechanism for the bus to signal the kernel that a device change has taken place. + in the kernel, the removal of a device will cause the interrupt handling code for that device to be dropped from the list of active interrupt handlers. Kernel calls involving the inactive device will subsequently return errors. + in the kernel, the additional of a device will cause appropriate interrupt handling code to be brought live, and device initialisation code to be executed, as long as support for the device is present (static or KLD). + the kernel will signal userland in some way (like pccardd?) so that userland scripts can react to devices appearing and disappearing. + if a device is inserted for which no driver is currently loaded, the kernel will signal the userland daemon so that (e.g.) a KLD can be located and loaded. Where does the interrupt probing issue come into this? Presumably "busses with removable devices" might be pretty much all of them on a laptop with (e.g.) removable disks, CD-ROM drives, PC cards, etc. Even USB keyboards might be plugged in and pulled out at will. Hot-swap PCI cards would be nice in the machine room, and presumably will come (if they're not here already). Is the idea to treat _all_ busses as potentially supporting nomadic devices, to give maximum genericism? Is there _any_ device that needs to be treated as permenant? If _all_ devices are generically considered removable, does this make a devfs-type scheme more workable? Or were the previous issues with devfs different? "just trying to learn something so I can be more useful in this area" :) Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 12 7:42:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from darkstar.inetu.net (darkstar.inetu.net [207.18.13.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD44E15373; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:42:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kerberus@inetu.net) Received: from inetu.net (root@localhost.inetu.net [127.0.0.1]) by darkstar.inetu.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA26607; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:41:07 GMT (envelope-from kerberus@inetu.net) Message-ID: <36E8EF41.A0EF90EA@inetu.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:41:05 +0000 From: Kerberus Reply-To: kerberus@inetu.net Organization: INetU, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Somers , "freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG" , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: CTX laptop & PCMCIA UPDATE References: <199903111941.TAA00672@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK lets see, i removed pcic0 and pcic1 from the kernel config file as suggested and recompiled, rebooted, modified the /boot/loader.rc to read set machdep.pccard.pcic_irq=11 now... it seems to boot and start the lkm and as pccardd runs, it gets the following Mar 12 10:17:12 netstalker /kernel: npx0 on motherboard Mar 12 10:17:12 netstalker /kernel: npx0: INT 16 interface Mar 12 10:17:12 netstalker /kernel: Initializing PC-card drivers: ed Mar 12 10:17:12 netstalker /kernel: changing root device to wd0s1a Mar 12 10:17:12 netstalker /kernel: PC-Card VLSI 82C146 (5 mem & 2 I/O windows) Mar 12 10:17:12 netstalker /kernel: pcic: controller irq 5 Mar 12 10:17:12 netstalker /kernel: Card inserted, slot 0 Mar 12 10:17:13 netstalker pccardd[48]: Resource allocation failure for NETGEAR Mar 12 10:17:13 netstalker pccardd[48]: pccardd started Mar 12 10:17:23 netstalker login: ROOT LOGIN (root) ON ttyv0 Mar 12 10:17:39 netstalker pccardd[177]: Resource allocation failure for NETGEAR Mar 12 10:17:39 netstalker pccardd[177]: pccardd started now question, why isnt pcic: controller on irq 11, and still at irq 5, also whats this Resource allocation failure for NETGEAR error being s[awned by pccardd, this seems to be my final hurdle to actually getting this thing working again under 3.1 pccard.conf included............. ------------------------SNIP PCCARD.CONF------------- # Sample PCCARD configuration file # # Removing all IRQ conflicts from this file can't be done because of some # IRQ-selfish PC-cards. So if you want to use some of these cards in # your machine, you will be forced to modify their IRQ parameters from # the following list. # # IRQ == 0 means "allocate free IRQ from IRQ pool" # IRQ == 16 means "do not use IRQ (e.g. PIO mode)" # # $Id: pccard.conf.sample,v 1.24.2.1 1999/02/05 09:42:27 markm Exp $ # Generally available IO ports #io 0x280 io 0x280-0x360 # Generally available IRQs (Built-in sound-card owners remove 5) irq 7 #irq 7 10 11 13 15 # Available memory slots memory 0xd0000 96k # BayNetworks NETGEAR FA410TXC Fast Ethernet #card "NETGEAR" "FA410TX" "Fast Ethernet" card "NETGEAR" "FA410TX" config 0x1 "ed0" 7 0x20 #ether 0xff0 insert echo NETGEAR FA410TX inserted insert /etc/pccard_ether ed0 remove echo NETGEAR FA410TX removed remove /sbin/ifconfig ed0 delete ------------SNIP DUMPCIS INFO---------------------------- Configuration data for card in slot 0 Tuple #1, code = 0x1 (Common memory descriptor), length = 3 000: d1 3a ff Common memory device information: Device number 1, type Function specific, WPS = OFF Speed = 250nS, Memory block size = 8Kb, 8 units Tuple #2, code = 0x1c (Other conditions for common memory), length = 4 000: 01 d1 3a ff (MWAIT) Tuple #3, code = 0x17 (Attribute memory descriptor), length = 3 000: 41 00 ff Attribute memory device information: Device number 1, type EEPROM, WPS = OFF Speed = 250nS, Memory block size = 512b, 1 units Tuple #4, code = 0x20 (Manufacturer ID), length = 4 000: 49 01 30 02 PCMCIA ID = 0x149, OEM ID = 0x230 Tuple #5, code = 0x21 (Functional ID), length = 2 000: 06 01 Network/LAN adapter - POST initialize Tuple #6, code = 0x15 (Version 1 info), length = 39 000: 04 01 4e 45 54 47 45 41 52 00 46 41 34 31 30 54 010: 58 00 46 61 73 74 20 45 74 68 65 72 6e 65 74 00 020: ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 Version = 4.1, Manuf = [NETGEAR],card vers = [FA410TX] Addit. info = [Fast Ethernet],[\xff] Tuple #7, code = 0x1a (Configuration map), length = 5 000: 01 20 00 04 0b Reg len = 2, config register addr = 0x400, last config = 0x20 Registers: XX-X---- Tuple #8, code = 0x1b (Configuration entry), length = 7 000: e0 81 18 45 30 fc be Config index = 0x20(default) Interface byte = 0x81 (I/O) wait signal supported Card decodes 5 address lines, limited 8/16 Bit I/O IRQ modes: Pulse IRQ level = 5 Tuple #9, code = 0x14 (No link), length = 0 Tuple #10, code = 0xff (Terminator), length = 8 000: ca 60 40 03 1f 1b 07 04 2 slots found So close.............. i can alsmost taste it now...!!! Thanks In Advance Kerberus To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 12 9: 6:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (stampede.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.45.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D0114D91 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:06:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (sji-ca14-33.ix.netcom.com [205.186.215.33]) by stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29731; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:05:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.2/8.6.9) id JAA02791; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:05:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:05:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903121705.JAA02791@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: silvia.hip.berkeley.edu: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: aland@SoftOrchestra.com Cc: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, ninja405@warlords.net, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <3.0.32.19990312015157.01f42430@blueneptune.com> (message from Alan DuBoff on Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:52:00 -0800) Subject: Re: 3com 574tx support From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) References: <3.0.32.19990312015157.01f42430@blueneptune.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * From: Alan DuBoff * Ninja sama, gomen nasai. Kyo-wa taihen deshita, boku no tenshou wa taxan * bacatari deshita. Keredomo, boku wa mo bacatari deshita, gomen, ne! Um, Alan-san, what in the hell does that mean ? ;) Satoshi, who may be forgetting Japanese To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 12 9: 6:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rainey.blueneptune.com (rainey.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C368152DA; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:06:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Received: from jester (ppp146.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.146]) by rainey.blueneptune.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA19831; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:04:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990312085629.01f41210@blueneptune.com> X-Sender: aland@blueneptune.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:56:38 -0800 To: kerberus@inetu.net, Brian Somers , "freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG" , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" From: Alan DuBoff Subject: Re: CTX laptop & PCMCIA UPDATE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:41 AM 3/12/99 +0000, Kerberus wrote: ># Generally available IRQs (Built-in sound-card owners remove 5) >irq 7 >#irq 7 10 11 13 15 ># Available memory slots >memory 0xd0000 96k Two things. Make sure that you set your pcic_irq for the kernel to another irq in your config file. Otherwise it might steal 7 for your pcic controller. check your dmesg to be sure if that could be a problem. Secondly, make sure you have that much memory available, on my laptop I only have my d segment, which is only 64k, not 96k. At least I think I only have my d segment, it's been a few nights since I was looking at it, but I'm not that old yet...;-) Alan DuBoff - Conductor Software Orchestration, Inc. aland@SoftOrchestra.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 12 9:12:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rainey.blueneptune.com (rainey.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF001153CE for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:12:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Received: from jester (ppp146.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.146]) by rainey.blueneptune.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA20504; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:11:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990312090305.0201e4e0@blueneptune.com> X-Sender: aland@blueneptune.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:03:08 -0800 To: Bob Willcox From: Alan DuBoff Subject: Re: 3com 574tx support Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , ninja405 , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:07 AM 3/12/99 -0600, Bob Willcox wrote: >I too, have one of the 3c574-TX cards that I would like to get working >on my Dell Inspiron 7000 laptop. I would be happy to help with the >porting/testing/whatever. I figure there are a bunch of people with these cards, at least I know myself it's one of the better 10/100 cards for a laptop for reasons I've mentioned too many times before. I need to dig up the 574 source and see what needs to be changed. Alan DuBoff - Conductor Software Orchestration, Inc. aland@SoftOrchestra.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 12 9:12:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rainey.blueneptune.com (rainey.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B24EC1533A; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:11:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Received: from jester (ppp146.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.146]) by rainey.blueneptune.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA20260; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:09:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990312090122.02020100@blueneptune.com> X-Sender: aland@blueneptune.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:01:25 -0800 To: kerberus@inetu.net, Brian Somers , "freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG" , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" From: Alan DuBoff Subject: Re: CTX laptop & PCMCIA UPDATE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ooops, I see I cut a section out when replying... Let's try that again... At 10:41 AM 3/12/99 +0000, Kerberus wrote: >Mar 12 10:17:12 netstalker /kernel: npx0 on motherboard >Mar 12 10:17:12 netstalker /kernel: npx0: INT 16 interface >Mar 12 10:17:12 netstalker /kernel: Initializing PC-card drivers: ed >Mar 12 10:17:12 netstalker /kernel: changing root device to wd0s1a >Mar 12 10:17:12 netstalker /kernel: PC-Card VLSI 82C146 (5 mem & 2 I/O windows) >Mar 12 10:17:12 netstalker /kernel: pcic: controller irq 5 >Mar 12 10:17:12 netstalker /kernel: Card inserted, slot 0 >Mar 12 10:17:13 netstalker pccardd[48]: Resource allocation failure for NETGEAR >Mar 12 10:17:13 netstalker pccardd[48]: pccardd started >Mar 12 10:17:23 netstalker login: ROOT LOGIN (root) ON ttyv0 >Mar 12 10:17:39 netstalker pccardd[177]: Resource allocation failure for NETGEAR >Mar 12 10:17:39 netstalker pccardd[177]: pccardd started > > >now question, why isnt pcic: controller on irq 11, and still at irq 5 You must have something else on irq 11, I saw that same problem myself where it wouldn't set to the one I wanted and it turned out it was being used. The kernel grabs what he can it seems if the one you provide is not available. , also whats >this Resource allocation failure for NETGEAR error being s[awned by pccardd, this >seems to be my final hurdle to actually getting this thing working again under 3.1 The reason I have found is due to the memory allocation, see my previous message and make sure you have that memory available and/or don't have anything at d0000 Alan DuBoff - Conductor Software Orchestration, Inc. aland@SoftOrchestra.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 12 9:34:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rainey.blueneptune.com (rainey.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB9715428; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:34:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Received: from jester (ppp146.blueneptune.com [209.133.45.146]) by rainey.blueneptune.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA22207; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:34:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aland@SoftOrchestra.com) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990312092552.01f4d5c0@blueneptune.com> X-Sender: aland@blueneptune.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:25:56 -0800 To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) From: Alan DuBoff Subject: Re: 3com 574tx support Cc: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, ninja405@warlords.net, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:05 AM 3/12/99 -0800, Satoshi Asami wrote: > * From: Alan DuBoff > > * Ninja sama, gomen nasai. Kyo-wa taihen deshita, boku no tenshou wa taxan > * bacatari deshita. Keredomo, boku wa mo bacatari deshita, gomen, ne! > >Um, Alan-san, what in the hell does that mean ? ;) > >Satoshi, who may be forgetting Japanese I guess it means my grammar is not very good...if you can't understand it. Like my 7 year old always says, "pappa no nihongo was okashii desu, yo?" Alan DuBoff - Conductor Software Orchestration, Inc. aland@SoftOrchestra.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 12 9:48: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from psasolar.colltech.com (unknown [208.229.236.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E11D14CAC for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:46:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from elakin@colltech.com) Received: (from elakin@localhost) by psasolar.colltech.com (VER/What/1.0) id LAA16665; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:45:29 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19990312114527.A29967@psasolar.colltech.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:45:27 -0600 From: Eric Lakin To: kerberus@inetu.net Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CTX laptop & PCMCIA UPDATE References: <199903111941.TAA00672@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> <36E8EF41.A0EF90EA@inetu.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93 In-Reply-To: <36E8EF41.A0EF90EA@inetu.net>; from Kerberus on Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 10:41:05AM +0000 X-Disclaimer: Yow! I said THAT?!? Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am probably wrong about this (feel free to correct me =) but I thought the below dumpcis indicated that your card only supports irq 5. If that's the case, try using set machdep.pccard.pcic_irq=7 and irq 5 config 0x1 "ed0" 5 0x20 in /etc/pccard.conf. I'm sure this can't be right, but it is what i'd try. On Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 10:41:05AM +0000, Kerberus spread the following propaganda: > set machdep.pccard.pcic_irq=11 > > # BayNetworks NETGEAR FA410TXC Fast Ethernet > #card "NETGEAR" "FA410TX" "Fast Ethernet" > card "NETGEAR" "FA410TX" > config 0x1 "ed0" 7 0x20 > #ether 0xff0 > insert echo NETGEAR FA410TX inserted > insert /etc/pccard_ether ed0 > remove echo NETGEAR FA410TX removed > remove /sbin/ifconfig ed0 delete > > Tuple #8, code = 0x1b (Configuration entry), length = 7 > 000: e0 81 18 45 30 fc be > Config index = 0x20(default) > Interface byte = 0x81 (I/O) wait signal supported > Card decodes 5 address lines, limited 8/16 Bit I/O > IRQ modes: Pulse > IRQ level = 5 > Tuple #9, code = 0x14 (No link), length = 0 > Tuple #10, code = 0xff (Terminator), length = 8 > 000: ca 60 40 03 1f 1b 07 04 > 2 slots found To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 12 10:20:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from darkstar.inetu.net (darkstar.inetu.net [207.18.13.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B3414E6C; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:20:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kerberus@inetu.net) Received: from inetu.net (root@localhost.inetu.net [127.0.0.1]) by darkstar.inetu.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20355; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:20:35 GMT (envelope-from kerberus@inetu.net) Message-ID: <36E914A3.20B281D5@inetu.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:20:35 +0000 From: Kerberus Reply-To: kerberus@inetu.net Organization: INetU, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Lakin , "freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG" , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: CTX laptop & PCMCIA UPDATE References: <199903111941.TAA00672@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> <36E8EF41.A0EF90EA@inetu.net> <19990312114527.A29967@psasolar.colltech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I at first thought the same thing, but, under the 2.2.8-PAO i had to physically re-arrange the irq addresses to even get the darn thing to work, and i looked at the resources that windows98 had set for all the hardware, and configured FreeBSDs kernel to match the parameters, it was wierd but, it worked with the following sio1 irq 9 sio2 irq3 lpt1 irq4 pcic irq 11 pcmcia slot ethernet irq 7 anything else failed..... so this is what im duplicating under 3.1, but i cannot for the life of me get pcic: controller off of irq5, to irq 11, and i think this is what may be causing the trouble under 2.2.8 i had device pcic0 at isa? port 0x3e0 flags 0x1 irq 11 vector pcicintr and it worked... now it doesnt, its like 3.1 no longer allows you to set the pcic parameters. Eric Lakin wrote: > I am probably wrong about this (feel free to correct me =) but I thought the > below dumpcis indicated that your card only supports irq 5. If that's the > case, try using > > set machdep.pccard.pcic_irq=7 > > and > > irq 5 > config 0x1 "ed0" 5 0x20 > > in /etc/pccard.conf. > > I'm sure this can't be right, but it is what i'd try. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 12 10:23: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E9915405 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:22:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbsd@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost.StevesCafe.com [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02045; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:27:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199903121827.LAA02045@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 From: Steve Passe To: Scott Mitchell Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compatibility list In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:51:37 GMT." <19990312095137.V23921@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:27:36 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, > They seem to have dropped the price -- only 300 bucks now [cf. the $500 > that Nate paid :-( ] > > Random idea time: members of the PCMCIA cabal get the same thing for $50. > Would we be violating anyone's licence if someone in one of the member > companies bought a couple of copies (with FreeBSD cash) and then 'donated' > them back to the project? Too much trouble to save a couple hundred bucks? > > I'd try this with my contacts at Xircom, but I think I should wait until > I've signed the licence and got the specs for their own cards before seeing > how far I can push this relationship :) I would suggest that anyone doing coding on this project get copies of: PCMCIA System Architecture, 2nd edition, ISBN 0-201-40991-7 CardBus System Architecture, ISBN 0-201-40997-6 both books published by MindShare, Inc. as part of the PC System Architecture series. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 12 11: 9:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from scan.atvideo.com (ns1.atvideo.com [204.57.215.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 321BA15651 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:09:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ninja405@warlords.net) Received: from chad (chadth.atvideo.com [10.0.0.130]) by scan.atvideo.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA05296; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:11:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Nin|a405" To: "Alan DuBoff" , "Bob Willcox" Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "ninja405" , Subject: RE: 3com 574tx support Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:06:21 -0800 Message-ID: <000e01be6cbb$6aa98010$8200000a@chad.ATV> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19990312090305.0201e4e0@blueneptune.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org First: thanks for the apology, and yes I read through the archives, both freebsd-questions and freebsd-mobile and found nothing to do with this card. Two: I also have a Intel EtherExpress pc100 mobile adapter that can take the place of the 3com card. Both of which would be nice to have a driver for. Three: I would like to contribute to any develop of a driver for either card. My programming skills are not that great but will help where I can. Thanks, -Ninja405 or Mr. Ninja to those who wish to flame. -----Original Message----- From: Alan DuBoff [mailto:aland@SoftOrchestra.com] Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 9:03 AM To: Bob Willcox Cc: Jordan K. Hubbard; ninja405; freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3com 574tx support At 07:07 AM 3/12/99 -0600, Bob Willcox wrote: >I too, have one of the 3c574-TX cards that I would like to get working >on my Dell Inspiron 7000 laptop. I would be happy to help with the >porting/testing/whatever. I figure there are a bunch of people with these cards, at least I know myself it's one of the better 10/100 cards for a laptop for reasons I've mentioned too many times before. I need to dig up the 574 source and see what needs to be changed. Alan DuBoff - Conductor Software Orchestration, Inc. aland@SoftOrchestra.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 12 12: 5:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from psasolar.colltech.com (psasolar.colltech.com [208.229.236.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F5E14BE6 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:05:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from elakin@colltech.com) Received: (from elakin@localhost) by psasolar.colltech.com (VER/What/1.0) id OAA27720; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:05:09 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19990312140508.D29967@psasolar.colltech.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:05:08 -0600 From: Eric Lakin To: kerberus@inetu.net Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CTX laptop & PCMCIA UPDATE References: <3.0.32.19990312090122.02020100@blueneptune.com> <36E911AA.D32AE289@inetu.net> <19990312124930.B29967@psasolar.colltech.com> <36E92613.47AC58D@inetu.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93 In-Reply-To: <36E92613.47AC58D@inetu.net>; from Kerberus on Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 02:34:59PM +0000 X-Disclaimer: Yow! I said THAT?!? Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ack. my (2) errors. First, "device pcic?" are disabled in your kernel, right? The pcic code isn't even IN there then. You'll actually need to re-compile the pcic module - "cd /sys/modules/pcic; CFLAGS=-DPCIC_DEBUG make;" Copy the pcic.ko that results to /modules (after backing up the orig =). Reboot. Obviously i didn't test my suggestions before sending. However, i DID this time ;) Before an IRQ is assigned to the PCIC, you should get a message like: Freelist of IRQ's <0x8e88> Now what do you do with THAT? well... $ bc bla bla copyright ibase=16 # input is in base 16 obase=2 # output is in base 2 8E88 # note the E, not e 1000111010001000 quit $ Each digit of the binary number is an IRQ, starting with 15 and going down to 0. A "1" is a free IRQ. The above means that the IRQs free on my system are 15 11 10 9 7 3. On Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 02:34:59PM +0000, Kerberus spread the following propaganda: > Ok ive done this..... and just for kicks and giggles i also added in the snd0 > controller at irq5 to see if it loads and initializes it, then forcing the pcic to > look else where, i also changed the machdep.pccard.pcic_irq to 11 which doesnt appear > attached to anything that i can see from dmesg, now the PCIC_DEBUG has been compiled > in also, where does it send the debug info to ??? messages or ???? its surely not > showing any debug info at boot ?? > > Eric Lakin wrote: > > > Try putting "options PCIC_DEBUG" in your kernel config and rebuilding it. > > This will tell you what IRQ's are available when the PCIC driver configures > > itself. The pcic code DOES check the machdep.pccard.pcic_irq but will not > > use that IRQ if it isn't available. > > > > also: IRQ 13 (below) is not a valid IRQ for pcic. the valid ones are: > > 3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 12 17:57:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6D314FA5 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:57:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faber@ISI.EDU) Received: from ISI.EDU (vex-e.isi.edu [128.9.160.240]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA04121 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:57:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903130157.RAA04121@boreas.isi.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: pccardd guts: anyone understand struct dev_mem? X-Url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:57:26 -0800 From: Ted Faber Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I've been dredging around the pccard stuff in my copious free time, trying to get the PAO cnw driver to run under 3.1-RELEASE. In fact, I've got a version working pretty well. The code is a strict port of the PAO stuff, which is ported from linux, and although I have the netwave docs, I haven't gone over the workings of the driver enough to feel confident that it should go into the tree, but it works. The problem is that to make it work I had to open the guts of the pccard daemon's memory allocation routines, and make some rather arbitrary changes. The driver I have maps the memory rather than going through the I/O port space, and expects that memory to be mapped to a specific place in card memory as well as being mapped 8 bit, 1 wait state. Getting the offest into card memory was a matter of deleting one line in cardd.c . The flags are more problematic, but I believe that the raw information I need is in the CIS, and better yet, I think that pccardd reads it properly. But it stuffs it into a struct dev_mem, and ignores it. The struct is undocumented, and the names are too cryptic. My questions are: Does anyone know why the card memory address is arbitrarily reset to 0x4000 around line 520 of cardd.c ? If not, can we take it out? The correct value seems to have been read from the CIS and works. Can anyone explain what the fields in struct dev_mem are (from cardd.h) or point me toward any additional documentation of the CIS tuples that might help me parse it? I've looked at readcis.[ch] in usr.sbin/pccard/pccardd, and cis.h in /sys/pccard/ , but the first 2 are opaque to me and uncommented, and cis.h is close, but not quite enough. Once I have something that I think recognizes the memory parameters in the CIS, I'm happy to roll a patch and hand it to people to test. Thanks! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ted Faber faber@isi.edu USC/ISI Computer Scientist http://www.isi.edu/~faber (310) 822-1511 x190 PGP Key: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubkey.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNunGBYb4eisfQ5rpAQERzAP9Gy9Aprtvpz+cRiF8sTD4kDaFOgE2Kskf wstrP1uhtynVx6S5blpTQmL8zUyN4Dc7r4rqOOzKqgNvd5m5HhpGr+/zCZiHuUoo 9DJ/f7KHogYUDR8r8Eq2UAZ/bqNawVALGEF6Z8PgYG5eTSeNP/ld7bZ+31ueyzB/ ce7nXIIu+Jw= =bbIO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 12 18:34:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from netrinsics.com (unknown [210.74.174.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504C014DB3 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:34:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robinson@netrinsics.com) Received: (from robinson@localhost) by netrinsics.com (8.9.2/8.8.7) id KAA35091 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:03:44 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from robinson) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:03:44 +0800 (CST) From: Michael Robinson Message-Id: <199903130203.KAA35091@netrinsics.com> To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: compatibility list In-Reply-To: <19990313025010.C64180@clear.co.nz> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joe Abley writes: >Is the idea to treat _all_ busses as potentially supporting nomadic devices, >to give maximum genericism? Is there _any_ device that needs to be treated >as permenant? > >If _all_ devices are generically considered removable, does this make a >devfs-type scheme more workable? Or were the previous issues with devfs >different? I see two related issues: First, the controllers that manage removable devices may themselves be removable, or otherwise controlled by controllers with such management features. Consider the pathological case of a docking station with a PCI card slot filled with a PCMCIA controller which has USB PC-CARD connected to a USB SCSI adapter. Any removeable device abstraction has to recurse elegantly. Which brings up the second point, which is how to handle bootstrapping under this abstraction. I haven't had a chance to look at the new three-stage boot, but I wonder whether it can boot a kernel image from a PC-CARD ATA device. I guess my question is, where exactly does one draw the line about "no probing during boot". Are BIOS devices forever and always a special case? What about ROM-assisted "net-boot" and the like? -Michael Robinson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 13 8:44: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from luke.pmr.com (luke.pmr.com [207.170.114.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C0914CE8 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:44:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bob@luke.pmr.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.pmr.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id KAA39157 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:43:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:43:44 -0600 From: Bob Willcox To: mobile list Subject: Re: XFree86 configuration on Dell Inspiron 7000? -- SOLVED!! :-) Message-ID: <19990313104344.A38949@luke.pmr.com> Reply-To: Bob Willcox References: <19990311004019.A4194@luke.pmr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <19990311004019.A4194@luke.pmr.com>; from Bob Willcox on Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 12:40:19AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just incase there are other Dell Inspiron 7000 owners out there that would like to have XFree86 running on their machine and haven't discovered this yet, a friend of mine that works for Dell pointed me to this web site: http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~steveh/inspiron/ There is alot of good information about the I7k here (though it is Linux centric:-(). One of the links takes you to information on getting XFree86 running. The author presents 3 methods to do this. I used method 1. The others don't look so good: method 2 probably requires Linux, method 3 requires building a "monitor dongle" to fool the machine into thinking it has an external display attached. Method 1 points to some XF86Config files (I used only the modelines from these, and am using the modeline from first one currently). It also requires some changes to the XF86_Mach64 server which are provided. I simply updated the 3 XF86_Mach64 server files with the ones provided, rebuilt and installed it, started X and it worked!! I hope this helps some fellow FreeBSDers out there! Bob On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 12:40:19AM -0600, Bob Willcox wrote: > Does anybody have a XF86Config file for a Dell Inspiron 7000 that they > would be willing to email me? > > Thanks, > Bob > > -- > Bob Willcox The man who follows the crowd will usually get no > bob@luke.pmr.com further than the crowd. The man who walks alone is > Austin, TX likely to find himself in places no one has ever > been. -- Alan Ashley-Pitt -- Bob Willcox The man who follows the crowd will usually get no bob@luke.pmr.com further than the crowd. The man who walks alone is Austin, TX likely to find himself in places no one has ever been. -- Alan Ashley-Pitt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 13 9: 3: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75BE314E48 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:03:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA25459; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:02:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA23633; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:02:34 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:02:34 -0700 Message-Id: <199903131702.KAA23633@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Ted Faber Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pccardd guts: anyone understand struct dev_mem? In-Reply-To: <199903130157.RAA04121@boreas.isi.edu> References: <199903130157.RAA04121@boreas.isi.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > My questions are: > > Does anyone know why the card memory address is arbitrarily reset to > 0x4000 around line 520 of cardd.c ? If not, can we take it out? The > correct value seems to have been read from the CIS and works. You'd have to access Soren, since he made that change a long time ago. (He might not remember though. revision 1.9 date: 1996/04/23 16:46:48; author: nate; state: Exp; lines: +23 -5 - Make pccardd release it's allocated io space and sets the mem.cardaddr even if DEBUG is not set. - #ifdef protect DEBUG printf's Submitted by: sos > Can anyone explain what the fields in struct dev_mem are (from > cardd.h) or point me toward any additional documentation of the CIS > tuples that might help me parse it? Mike Smith has my documentation. Bug him to FAX you the appropriate pages. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 13 12: 5:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B9D714D8F for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:05:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA70767; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:05:15 GMT Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA30524; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:05:42 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199903132005.NAA30524@harmony.village.org> To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: pccardd guts: anyone understand struct dev_mem? Cc: Ted Faber , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:02:34 MST." <199903131702.KAA23633@mt.sri.com> References: <199903131702.KAA23633@mt.sri.com> <199903130157.RAA04121@boreas.isi.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:05:42 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <199903131702.KAA23633@mt.sri.com> Nate Williams writes: : You'd have to access Soren, since he made that change a long time ago. : (He might not remember though. I think that it has to do with where the CIS is located in the card's memory. From my simple experiments, it seems that pccard's handling of memory ranges is a little weak, especially for the FLASH cards that I've been trying to get working in at least a RO manner. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 13 16:38:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ogurok.com (ogurok.com [208.212.72.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C1114F69 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:38:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oleg@ogurok.com) Received: from localhost (oleg@localhost) by ogurok.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA31492 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:00:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from oleg@ogurok.com) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:00:03 -0500 (EST) From: Oleg Ogurok To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: 3Com Megahertz PCMCIA card Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all. I just bought Toshiba Satelite 4080XCDT and I can't configure my 3Com Megahertz 10/100 PC Card on 3.1-RELEASE Could you suggest me something? What options should I put in my kernel config? With GENERIC kernel, when I try 'pccardd', I get "FATAL Can't find PC-CARD Slots". I tried to incomment: controller card0 device pcic0 at card? device pcic1 at card? -------- Then kernel could see my PCCARD slots, but still, can't see my card inside. Oleg Ogurok oleg@ogurok.com http://www.ogurok.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message