From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 3 4:48:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gate.bull.se (bull.se [193.44.17.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7003714E29 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 04:48:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mar@bull.se) Received: from bull.se (eq08.bull.se [129.181.241.108]) by gate.bull.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25830 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:51:27 +0200 Received: from pcmarhem (kloker.bull.se [129.181.241.95]) by bull.se (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA07134 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:51:00 +0200 Reply-To: From: "mark rowlands" To: Subject: Looking for an explanation of how pcmcia works in BSD and how it relates to windows Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:48:08 +0200 Message-ID: <000001bf0d95$2a740d00$5ff1b581@pcmarhem> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <199910020230.MAA01708@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Not precisely sure if this fits here, but I hope it belongs under >FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and >covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt >with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on >our own, finding and using resources Where do i find a good explanation of how the card0 , pcicx and device options in the kernel, the pccard.conf and rc.conf options relate to each other and how (if indeed they do) do these relate to the resources shown as in use by the card and their controllers in windows. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 3 20:30:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sentry.granch.ru (sentry.granch.ru [212.20.5.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA0514D35 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:30:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shelton@sentry.granch.ru) Received: from localhost (IDENT:shelton@localhost.granch.ru [127.0.0.1]) by sentry.granch.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09794 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:30:11 +0700 (NOVST) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:30:10 +0700 (NOVST) From: "Rashid N. Achilov" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: X Email with nested folders Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anybody known X Email client, which supported NESTED folders? With Best Regards. Rashid N. Achilov (RNA1-RIPE), Cert. ID: 28514, Granch Ltd. lead engineer e-mail: achilov@granch.ru, tel (383-2) 24-2363 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 3 23:16:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from oracle.clara.net (oracle.clara.net [195.8.69.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2843E15403 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:16:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kenndc@cyberdude.com) Received: from [195.8.80.150] (helo=kenn) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Y1QL-000Ppq-00; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:16:38 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991003215134.007d6100@pop.clara.net> X-Sender: kenn@pop.clara.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 21:51:34 +0100 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Kenn D Crossley Subject: Free BSD CD-sets Cc: jramirez@digicomsystems.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org re: > I'll be quick and to the point. Is there currently an effort to get >FreeBSD to users >that may not be willing to fork out the $40 (which I feel is a very small >price to pay) >to try/test it out without having to download it? I know there was (not >sure currently) >a Linux effort to get CD sets to users. > > Basically all it did was list those who had CD sets they didn't need/use >anymore >and those interested in the OS could contact the person offering the CD set > (or even installation help) and get it for free. I know that I >personally have plenty of previous >release sets (1 rev behind release) that I don't use and would be willing >to send to some newbie >or curious in hopes that they like it and decide to use/support it. I'm >sure there are others >out there with sets that are collecting dust. > >Comments anyone? > > -Jeremy Ramirez as a very newbie with little, if any, confidence in what i download from the internet being virus free, would certainly feel MUCH happier installing from a known good set of slightly out-of-date of disks than a set of files which i had downloaded from the net which may or may not be complete. at least i would then know that the chance of an abortive install messing-up my real and needed continuously system would be kept to an absolute minimum. any-one out there willing to send me an old copy please? please reply direct as i no longer subscribe due to volume. best regards, especially to those with more confidence than i, kenn d crossley, 67 water's edge, doe hey, bolton, lancs england bl4 0nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 3 23:40:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from compass.OregonVOS.net (compass.oregonvos.net [159.121.170.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1FDE14DB0 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:40:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from th@huppi.com) Received: from sis.huppih.com (ppp7-ast.orednet.org [159.121.170.194]) by compass.OregonVOS.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA15961; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (th@localhost) by sis.huppih.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA03488; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:53:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from th@huppi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sis.huppih.com: th owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:53:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Huppi X-Sender: th@sis.huppih.com Reply-To: Tom Huppi To: "Rashid N. Achilov" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X Email with nested folders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Rashid N. Achilov wrote: > Does anybody known X Email client, which supported NESTED folders? Netscape Communicator? I don't use it, but it looks the same as the windows version. I run pine in an xterm since I learned it relatively well at work. Unlike my system at work, pine on my home system has usable nested folders. I think this is an artifact of my using a shell with command completion (tcsh in my case.) To clarify, I can create a mailbox ~/mail/family/sister then get to it relatively quickly without browsing by going g fa si FWIW, I run pine on my gateway machine and telnet in from whatever other machine I happen to be on (or more accuratly, which OS I am booted into. FreeBSD about 99.5% of the time now, I'm happy to report.) Initially I did things that way because I was having trouble figuring out the complexities of networked mail (still am actually.) After a time, I realized the utility of doing things that way. *For me* this advantage overpowers the nice features that Netscape has. This is a mute point if one is using a stand-alone machine of course. -Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 4 0: 4: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from relay.ultimanet.com (relay.ultimanet.com [205.179.129.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B585014C19 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:03:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@cloudfactory.org) Received: from stratus.cloudfactory.org (stratus.cloudfactory.org [205.179.129.18]) by relay.ultimanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20481 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:22:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199910040722.AAA20481@relay.ultimanet.com> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X Email with nested folders In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 04 Oct 1999 10:30:10 +0700." Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 00:05:51 -0700 From: Randy Primeaux Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Check out exmh, which is an X front-end for nmh or MH You'll find both in your ports directory. I recommend nmh + exmh. Since I use emacs, I prefer nmh + emacs + mh-e. http://www.beedub.com/exmh/ /usr/ports/mail/exmh /usr/ports/mail/nmh Rashid N. Achilov writes: > Does anybody known X Email client, which supported NESTED folders? -- Randy Primeaux randy@cloudfactory.org http://cloudfactory.org/~randy/ tranze@hyperreal.org http://hyperreal.org/~tranze/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 4 0:45:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from atlrel2.hp.com (atlrel2.hp.com [156.153.255.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8F114E0D for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:45:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael_heitmeier@bbn.exch.hp.com) Received: from embbnx05.bbn.hp.com (embbnx05.bbn.hp.com [15.139.132.2]) by atlrel2.hp.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id DAA26166 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 03:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by embbnx05.bbn.hp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:48:50 +0200 Message-ID: <9DF3A06E9ABAD211B0D300A0C9B3ED63C657ED@embbnx03.bbn.hp.com> From: "HEITMEIER, MICHAEL (HP-Germany,ex1)" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Successes Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:45:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, Since -newbies is also for boasting ;-) I just want to sound off the great feeling I had after the installation of a Soundblaster AWE64 went really well. And let me tell you that I was more than frightened by building my first kernel to include the necessary devices. Following the instructions makes it a piece of cake however. In addition I installed KDE over the weekend. Wow. Now I understand two things: that MS Windows really is a limited piece of software. No wonder they are trying to bundle (or deeply embed) other functionality, by itself the user interface is pretty limited. I now also understand why senior Unix people have such reservations when it comes to Windows or GUI's in general: Even after just a few months of running FreeBSD at most with plain X I was suddenly, thanks to KDE, so far away from the system I understood and was in complete control over. Graphical user interfaces must seem almost frightening to those who are never quite sure (or trusting) what goes on if they 'click' on something... Anyway, for other enterprising souls here are the references I used to help me accomplish the above: * The third edition of the Complete FreeBSD book. * Installation of KDE from the first FreeBDS 3.2 CD (which has a slight bug, some KDE packages require kdelib-1.0 which is not on the CD, only 1.1.1) * Conrad Sabatier's instructions for SB setup at http://members.home.net/conrads/awepnp-freebsd.html (which also has a slight problem, kernel.config is called kernel.conf and is in /boot, not root (/) as suggested on the page, also on my system there is no boot.conf but it seems to be happy without it) In summary an altogether very satisfying FreeBSD Sunday afternoon :-) Michael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 4 0:52:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from inbox.org (inbox.org [216.22.145.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67DA014C7F for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:52:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd@a.servers.aozilla.com) Received: from localhost (bsd@localhost) by inbox.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA11827; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 03:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 03:52:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mr. K." X-Sender: bsd@inbox.org To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: jramirez@digicomsystems.net Subject: Re: Free BSD CD-sets In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19991003215134.007d6100@pop.clara.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org how much does it cost to ship these things? oh well, if anyone wants 3.1 for $2 for shipping, http://auctions.yahoo.com/auction/9442612 or 2.2.8 at http://auctions.yahoo.com/auction/9442709 i haven't gotten a 3.3 so i'm keeping my 3.2 for now On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Kenn D Crossley wrote: > re: > > I'll be quick and to the point. Is there currently an effort to get > >FreeBSD to users > >that may not be willing to fork out the $40 (which I feel is a very small > >price to pay) > >to try/test it out without having to download it? I know there was (not > >sure currently) > >a Linux effort to get CD sets to users. > > > > Basically all it did was list those who had CD sets they didn't need/use > >anymore > >and those interested in the OS could contact the person offering the CD set > > (or even installation help) and get it for free. I know that I > >personally have plenty of previous > >release sets (1 rev behind release) that I don't use and would be willing > >to send to some newbie > >or curious in hopes that they like it and decide to use/support it. I'm > >sure there are others > >out there with sets that are collecting dust. > > > >Comments anyone? > > > > -Jeremy Ramirez To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 4 1:50:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gate.bull.se (bull.se [193.44.17.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155F214F18 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:50:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mar@bull.se) Received: from bull.se (eq08.bull.se [129.181.241.108]) by gate.bull.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27712 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:53:35 +0200 Received: from pcmarhem (kloker.bull.se [129.181.241.95]) by bull.se (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA07164 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:53:13 +0200 Reply-To: From: "mark rowlands" To: "Newbies (E-mail)" Subject: RE: FreeBSD cd sets Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:50:20 +0200 Message-ID: <000201bf0e45$7ddf9440$5ff1b581@pcmarhem> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <9DF3A06E9ABAD211B0D300A0C9B3ED63C657ED@embbnx03.bbn.hp.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The way I feel right now, if anyone wants my 3.2 and 3.3 sets, they are welcome unless while Michael (SB 64 and KDE on a Sunday) is on a roll, can get my pcmcia network cards working ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 4 2:40: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sentry.granch.ru (sentry.granch.ru [212.20.5.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0EE15112 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 02:39:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shelton@sentry.granch.ru) Received: from localhost (IDENT:shelton@localhost.granch.ru [127.0.0.1]) by sentry.granch.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10732; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:39:35 +0700 (NOVST) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:39:35 +0700 (NOVST) From: "Rashid N. Achilov" To: Tom Huppi Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X Email with nested folders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Tom Huppi wrote: > > Does anybody known X Email client, which supported NESTED folders? > > Netscape Communicator? I don't use it, but it looks the same as > the windows version. I run pine in an xterm since I learned it Netscape doesn't work :-( It cannot find some of X libraries. In FreeBSD 3.3 default objformat now is ELF, but Netscape going in a.out. When I attempt in recompiling XFree compiled it "with a.out libraries" compiling aborted with "-aout: invalid key" in command line of gcc. I tried to use KMail, but it doesn't support nested folders... With Best Regards. Rashid N. Achilov (RNA1-RIPE), Cert. ID: 28514, Granch Ltd. lead engineer e-mail: achilov@granch.ru, tel (383-2) 24-2363 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 4 5: 4:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gate.bull.se (bull.se [193.44.17.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47DB14D3E for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 05:04:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mar@bull.se) Received: from bull.se (eq08.bull.se [129.181.241.108]) by gate.bull.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17236 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:07:45 +0200 Received: from pcmarhem (kloker.bull.se [129.181.241.95]) by bull.se (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA11088 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:07:23 +0200 Reply-To: From: "mark rowlands" To: "Newbies (E-mail)" Subject: RE: FreeBSD cd sets Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:04:30 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01bf0e60$9dfe4800$5ff1b581@pcmarhem> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <000201bf0e45$7ddf9440$5ff1b581@pcmarhem> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 3.2 set gone to D.M.P - think I'll keep the 3.3 tho ;-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of mark rowlands Sent: den 4 oktober 1999 10:50 To: Newbies (E-mail) Subject: RE: FreeBSD cd sets The way I feel right now, if anyone wants my 3.2 and 3.3 sets, they are welcome unless while Michael (SB 64 and KDE on a Sunday) is on a roll, can get my pcmcia network cards working ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 4 6: 0:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com [24.6.21.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0E614F18 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from conrads@cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA35125; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:59:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.2pre1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 07:59:50 -0500 (CDT) Organization: @Home Network From: Conrad Sabatier To: "Rashid N. Achilov" Subject: RE: X Email with nested folders Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 04-Oct-99 Rashid N. Achilov wrote: > Does anybody known X Email client, which supported NESTED folders? XFMail, one of the nicest GUI mail clients I've ever seen. -- Conrad Sabatier http://members.home.net/conrads/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 4 6:56:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from honk.org (cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5B8154A5 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:55:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from spectre (mpoulin@cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by honk.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA11127; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:55:47 -0400 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:55:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin X-Sender: mpoulin@spectre To: "Rashid N. Achilov" Cc: Tom Huppi , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X Email with nested folders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try the Linux version of Netscape. Should compile and run just fine in FreeBSD, as long as you have Linux support. On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Rashid N. Achilov wrote: > On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Tom Huppi wrote: > > > > Does anybody known X Email client, which supported NESTED folders? > > > > Netscape Communicator? I don't use it, but it looks the same as > > the windows version. I run pine in an xterm since I learned it > > Netscape doesn't work :-( It cannot find some of X libraries. In FreeBSD > 3.3 default objformat now is ELF, but Netscape going in a.out. When I > attempt in recompiling XFree compiled it "with a.out libraries" compiling > aborted with "-aout: invalid key" in command line of gcc. > > I tried to use KMail, but it doesn't support nested folders... > > With Best Regards. > Rashid N. Achilov (RNA1-RIPE), Cert. ID: 28514, Granch Ltd. lead engineer > e-mail: achilov@granch.ru, tel (383-2) 24-2363 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 4 8: 4:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br (bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br [143.106.51.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D15C154CD for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:03:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from atabraga@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br) Received: by bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1040719B1; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:07:45 -0300 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14328.49856.954089.983509@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:07:44 -0300 (EST) From: Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X Email with nested folders In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.3.1 Reply-To: atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br X-URL: http://www.iqm.unicamp.br Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org on Monday, 4 Oct 1999 16:39:35, Rashid N. Achilov wrote: > On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Tom Huppi wrote: > > > > Does anybody known X Email client, which supported NESTED folders? How about VM (using Emacs), it's friendly and works very well. http://www.wonderworks.com/vm > > > > Netscape Communicator? I don't use it, but it looks the same as > > the windows version. I run pine in an xterm since I learned it > > Netscape doesn't work :-( It cannot find some of X libraries. In FreeBSD > 3.3 default objformat now is ELF, but Netscape going in a.out. When I > attempt in recompiling XFree compiled it "with a.out libraries" compiling > aborted with "-aout: invalid key" in command line of gcc. > > I tried to use KMail, but it doesn't support nested folders... > > With Best Regards. > Rashid N. Achilov (RNA1-RIPE), Cert. ID: 28514, Granch Ltd. lead engineer > e-mail: achilov@granch.ru, tel (383-2) 24-2363 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br "Brasil Powered by FreeBSD & Emacs" http://www.iqm.unicamp.br To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 4 12: 6:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from m4.worldnet.net (m4.worldnet.net [195.3.3.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 347FD15527 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:06:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcasidy@worldnet.fr) Received: from greatoak.home (p14-007.province.worldnet.fr [195.3.14.7]) by m4.worldnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24945; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 19:06:06 GMT Received: from greatoak.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greatoak.home (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01277; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:13:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pcasidy@greatoak.home) Message-Id: <199910041813.UAA01277@greatoak.home> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:13:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Philippe CASIDY Subject: Re: X Email with nested folders To: shelton@sentry.granch.ru Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 4 Oct, Rashid N. Achilov wrote: > On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Tom Huppi wrote: > >> > Does anybody known X Email client, which supported NESTED folders? >> >> Netscape Communicator? I don't use it, but it looks the same as >> the windows version. I run pine in an xterm since I learned it > > Netscape doesn't work :-( It cannot find some of X libraries. In FreeBSD > 3.3 default objformat now is ELF, but Netscape going in a.out. When I > attempt in recompiling XFree compiled it "with a.out libraries" compiling > aborted with "-aout: invalid key" in command line of gcc. > Do you tried to install the compat22 distribution? As root do : /stand/sysinstall Configure Distributions compat22 OK Phil. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 4 12: 6:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from m4.worldnet.net (m4.worldnet.net [195.3.3.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52AA71552A for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:06:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcasidy@worldnet.fr) Received: from greatoak.home (p14-007.province.worldnet.fr [195.3.14.7]) by m4.worldnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24941; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 19:06:05 GMT Received: from greatoak.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greatoak.home (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01282; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:15:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pcasidy@greatoak.home) Message-Id: <199910041815.UAA01282@greatoak.home> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:15:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Philippe CASIDY Subject: Re: X Email with nested folders To: shelton@sentry.granch.ru Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 4 Oct, Rashid N. Achilov wrote: > Does anybody known X Email client, which supported NESTED folders? > > With Best Regards. > Rashid N. Achilov (RNA1-RIPE), Cert. ID: 28514, Granch Ltd. lead engineer > e-mail: achilov@granch.ru, tel (383-2) 24-2363 > What do you mean by NESTED? Is it having a mail folder anywhere in your directories? Try TkRat. It is in the port. Version 2.0 is in beta now. Phil. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 4 13:12: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from relay.ultimanet.com (relay.ultimanet.com [205.179.129.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05BA91555C for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:10:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@cloudfactory.org) Received: from stratus.cloudfactory.org (stratus.cloudfactory.org [205.179.129.18]) by relay.ultimanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23820 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:29:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199910042029.NAA23820@relay.ultimanet.com> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X Email with nested folders In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 04 Oct 1999 20:15:04 +0200." <199910041815.UAA01282@greatoak.home> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 13:12:56 -0700 From: Randy Primeaux Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org nested mail folders: mail/ mail/inbox mail/sent mail/lists/freebsd-announce mail/lists/freebsd-newbies the last two are nested under /mail/lists, two layers deep. Philippe CASIDY writes: > What do you mean by NESTED? > Is it having a mail folder anywhere in your directories? -- Randy Primeaux randy@cloudfactory.org http://cloudfactory.org/~randy/ tranze@hyperreal.org http://hyperreal.org/~tranze/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 4 13:13:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from syru205-140.syr.edu (syru205-140.syr.edu [128.230.205.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6C915566 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:13:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rhavyn@syru205-140.syr.edu) Received: (from rhavyn@localhost) by syru205-140.syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10530 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:09:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:09:52 -0400 From: Chris Conrad To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: rc.local and comments Message-ID: <19991004160952.B10465@syru205-140.syr.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="QKdGvSO+nmPlgiQ/" X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --QKdGvSO+nmPlgiQ/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I'm a new user of FreeBSD (tho I have about 3 years of experience working with Linux) and just installed 3.3-Release. To my joy, I have managed to upgrade everything to 3.3-Stable using cvsup and make world, configured my soundcard, and got NFS and NIS working. All seems pretty good in the world of *BSD. I have been using The Complete FreeBSD as my main guide to getting things working (as well as a library of O'Reilly books for the networking stuff). However, I see the file rc.local mentioned several times in The Complete FreeBSD as a way to set up local services like xdm. Usually it looks like this # Put your local stuff here Unfortunately, that file doesn't appear to be on my system, and I have no idea what is supposed to be above that line. Can anyone help me out? Chris --QKdGvSO+nmPlgiQ/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE3+QmQpolY3ACeQwwRAWPgAKCd5zXfMO7BtpN5I6ZlTF5V1BsJLQCgobpG xAGpUfrPY2990v9VUJSNNA4= =LQuA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --QKdGvSO+nmPlgiQ/-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 4 13:44:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE97415563 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:43:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA11821; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:40:55 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:40:53 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Chris Conrad Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rc.local and comments Message-ID: <19991005064051.E464@welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Chris Conrad , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19991004160952.B10465@syru205-140.syr.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19991004160952.B10465@syru205-140.syr.edu>; from Chris Conrad on Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 04:09:52PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 04:09:52PM -0400, Chris Conrad wrote: > Hi, > > I'm a new user of FreeBSD (tho I have about 3 years of experience > working with Linux) and just installed 3.3-Release. To my joy, I have > managed to upgrade everything to 3.3-Stable using cvsup and make > world, configured my soundcard, and got NFS and NIS working. All > seems pretty good in the world of *BSD. Well done! > I have been using The Complete FreeBSD as my main guide to getting > things working (as well as a library of O'Reilly books for the > networking stuff). However, I see the file rc.local mentioned several > times in The Complete FreeBSD as a way to set up local services like > xdm. Usually it looks like this > > # Put your local stuff here > > > Unfortunately, that file doesn't appear to be on my system, and I have > no idea what is supposed to be above that line. Can anyone help me > out? This particular question could be specific to whatever version of FreeBSD you are running, so it would be easy for attempted answers here to mislead you, and others as well. You should forward this request to freebsd-questions (you don't have to join the list first). Apart from being the right list for help, the book's author will see your message there and would be glad of the opportunity to correct any problems with the book. If you do that, be sure to say which edition of the book you're using, and first check the book's errata in case it is covered there already. You don't want to get egg on your face in a public forum :-) Also try to avoid PGP attachments. They cause some people's mailers to get all alarmed about security and can make some people avoid reading your email. I'm sure you'll get a speedy and reliable explanation from freebsd-questions. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 4 19:20:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sentry.granch.ru (sentry.granch.ru [212.20.5.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A855C150AB for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 19:20:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shelton@sentry.granch.ru) Received: from localhost (IDENT:shelton@localhost.granch.ru [127.0.0.1]) by sentry.granch.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02647; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:20:05 +0700 (NOVST) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:20:05 +0700 (NOVST) From: "Rashid N. Achilov" To: Conrad Sabatier Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: X Email with nested folders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Conrad Sabatier wrote: > > XFMail, one of the nicest GUI mail clients I've ever seen. Give me URL, where I can download it, please (if know). With Best Regards. Rashid N. Achilov (RNA1-RIPE), Cert. ID: 28514, Granch Ltd. lead engineer e-mail: achilov@granch.ru, tel (383-2) 24-2363 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 4 20: 6:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sentry.granch.ru (sentry.granch.ru [212.20.5.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19CEA14C90 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:06:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shelton@sentry.granch.ru) Received: from localhost (IDENT:shelton@localhost.granch.ru [127.0.0.1]) by sentry.granch.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02744; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:05:53 +0700 (NOVST) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:05:52 +0700 (NOVST) From: "Rashid N. Achilov" To: Philippe CASIDY Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X Email with nested folders In-Reply-To: <199910041813.UAA01277@greatoak.home> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Philippe CASIDY wrote: > Do you tried to install the compat22 distribution? > > As root do : > > /stand/sysinstall > Configure > Distributions > compat22 > OK Thank you for reply. I install compat22 at install FreeBSD. Netscape doesn't find libXext.6.0 or like... With Best Regards. Rashid N. Achilov (RNA1-RIPE), Cert. ID: 28514, Granch Ltd. lead engineer e-mail: achilov@granch.ru, tel (383-2) 24-2363 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 4 20:15:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sentry.granch.ru (sentry.granch.ru [212.20.5.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B79D14DD3 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:15:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shelton@sentry.granch.ru) Received: from localhost (IDENT:shelton@localhost.granch.ru [127.0.0.1]) by sentry.granch.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02755; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:12:57 +0700 (NOVST) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:12:57 +0700 (NOVST) From: "Rashid N. Achilov" To: Philippe CASIDY Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X Email with nested folders In-Reply-To: <199910041815.UAA01282@greatoak.home> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Philippe CASIDY wrote: > What do you mean by NESTED? > > Is it having a mail folder anywhere in your directories? I mean by NESTED, that in mail folder I can create subfolder, into subfolder I can create subfolder, and so on...Pine or Netscape like. I have in 'mail' directory folder 'Private mail', in that I have folder 'Granch Ltd.', in that I have folders 'Alexandr Y. Gratchev', 'Michael Y. Gratchev' and so on, where I stored mail from this persons... This mail writed in Pine. I found Pine VERY useful program, but X interface will be speed mail reading. KMail interface is good, but nested folders don't supported... With Best Regards. Rashid N. Achilov (RNA1-RIPE), Cert. ID: 28514, Granch Ltd. lead engineer e-mail: achilov@granch.ru, tel (383-2) 24-2363 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 5 2: 6:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from school.cs.indiana.edu (school.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD28214FE1; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 02:06:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jiachen@cs.indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jiachen@localhost) by school.cs.indiana.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/IUCS_2.28) with ESMTP id EAA13236; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 04:04:43 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: school.cs.indiana.edu: jiachen owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 04:04:42 -0500 (EST) From: Jia-Huang Chen To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FTP daemon error messages when use login In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991005010621.008fb560@mail.9netave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I installed 4.0 current and use the default FTP server (Version 6.00LS). Every time when user try to connect to the box, it always shows the following similar messages in both root console and /var/log/messages: Oct 5 01:55:32 class ftpd[321]: no modules loaded for `ftpd' service Oct 5 01:55:32 class ftpd[321]: no modules loaded for `ftpd' service Oct 5 01:55:32 class ftpd[321]: no modules loaded for `ftpd' service Oct 5 01:55:32 class ftpd[321]: auth_pam: Permission denied Oct 5 01:55:32 class ftpd[321]: auth_pam: Permission denied Oct 5 01:55:32 class ftpd[321]: auth_pam: Permission denied What's wrong and could I avoid it ? thanks a bunch, Jia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 5 4:44:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from beast.knf.beldin.net (beast.knf.beldin.net [203.38.198.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DF714CB6 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 04:43:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from west@beast.knf.beldin.net) Received: (from west@localhost) by beast.knf.beldin.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00315 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:14:10 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from west) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9DF3A06E9ABAD211B0D300A0C9B3ED63C657ED@embbnx03.bbn.hp.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 21:14:10 +0930 (CST) Organization: Christine Jaeger, Westenra, Christine Jaeger From: Christine Jaeger To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: FreeBSD Successes Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Michael, On 04-Oct-99 HEITMEIER, MICHAEL (HP-Germany,ex1) wrote: > Hi all, > > Since -newbies is also for boasting ;-) I just want to sound off the great > feeling I had after the installation of a Soundblaster AWE64 went really > well. And let me tell you that I was more than frightened by building my > first kernel to include the necessary devices. Following the instructions > makes it a piece of cake however. Wow! There must have been a 'disturbance in the force' on the weekend from audio waves :) I also went for the big sound card plunge for the first time, though I wish it was a AWE64 and not my old SB pro. I must confess it wasn't that terrifying as I live with someone who can always bail me out of any kernel horrors, but it was extremely satisfying having him sit nearby while I did all of it (ok, he did have the occasional giggle watching me scratch my head, but kindly let me struggle on - what a hero). > In summary an altogether very satisfying FreeBSD Sunday afternoon :-) > > Michael Sometimes you just gotta dive in there and do it :) What will I try adding next weekend, symmetrical multi-processing kernel for a 386? *laff* Cheers, Chris :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 5 4:56:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sentry.granch.ru (sentry.granch.ru [212.20.5.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF27214A2F for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 04:56:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@ns.granch.ru) Received: from ns.granch.ru (ns.granch.ru [212.20.5.46]) by sentry.granch.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03654 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:56:01 +0700 (NOVST) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:56:01 +0700 (NSS) From: System Administrator To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Strange messages Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE, Samba-2.0.5a (acting as WINS server), /var/log/kernel filled by this messages: Oct 5 17:57:54 ns /kernel: Connection attempt to TCP 212.20.5.46:135 from 212.20.5.40:3568 Oct 5 17:57:55 ns last message repeated 3 times Oct 5 18:09:57 ns /kernel: Connection attempt to TCP 212.20.5.46:135 from 212.20.5.40:3571 Oct 5 18:09:58 ns last message repeated 3 times Oct 5 18:21:59 ns /kernel: Connection attempt to TCP 212.20.5.46:135 from 212.20.5.40:3574 Oct 5 18:22:01 ns last message repeated 3 times Oct 5 18:34:02 ns /kernel: Connection attempt to TCP 212.20.5.46:135 from 212.20.5.40:3577 Oct 5 18:34:04 ns last message repeated 3 times Oct 5 18:46:05 ns /kernel: Connection attempt to TCP 212.20.5.46:135 from 212.20.5.40:3580 Oct 5 18:46:07 ns last message repeated 3 times 212.20.5.46 - Samba 212.20.5.40 - Windows NT PDC (WINS doesn't set) Rashid N. Achilov Granch Ltd. lead engineer (at ns.granch.ru) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 5 15:18:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cydonia.net (mail.cydonia.net [205.238.4.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87754151DA for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:17:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keith@mail.cydonia.net) Received: from localhost (keith@localhost) by mail.cydonia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25575 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:16:37 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:16:37 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Free-BSD Newbies Mailing List Subject: RAID In-Reply-To: <000001bf0a0a$74c76ac0$dfdfdfdf@mojomatic> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have no idea where to post this so I'll slap it here. I'm building a new system and decided to make it a FreeBSD flavor. The RAID array is a RAID-5 and I am sitting at the install display for FreeBSD. I've setup the thing to have an OS drive and then the array be seperate for data etc etc.... My question is; What part of the system would I consider to be OS and what part be data? FreeBSD see's the two parts seperately as they should. da0 <-- OS drive da1 <-- Will be the data drive. Any suggestions or comments on how to best setup the partitions for this? Thanks to any and all. Keith To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 5 15:19:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web113.yahoomail.com (web113.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 976E71530F for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:19:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon_v_mendoza@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19991005221622.27121.rocketmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Received: from [128.58.111.30] by web113.yahoomail.com; Tue, 05 Oct 1999 15:16:22 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:16:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Simon Mendoza Subject: Re: Saludos desde Mexico To: Jose Luis Martinez Lopez Cc: FreeBSD-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bien recibidos sean: Es importante que recuerdes que cuando necesites una ayuda de caracter tecnico las dirigas al mailin list FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, esto con el fin de que te ahorres tiempo y sobre todo tengas una respuesta de una fuente bien confiable. Tambien en el site principal www.freebsd.org en la parte de mailing list tienes un "buscador" de topicos que te refieren al "questions" mailing list, y que es bastante bueno cuando andas en apuros. Es bastante grato ver a un hermano latinoamericano incursionando en este sistema operativo, que es uno de los mejores que hasta ahora estan en el tapete. Saludos desde Caracas, Venezuela --- Jose Luis Martinez Lopez wrote: > Saben tengo a mi cargo un server en FreeBsd pero se > que me falta > bastante por que tengo conocieminetos pero en Unix > es aprecido pero > quisiera saber mas > Gracias.. > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > the message > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 6 0:57:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bologna.nettuno.it (bologna.nettuno.it [193.43.2.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A3A14D1C for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:57:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bigio@comune.jesi.ancona.it) Received: from plutone.jesi.nettuno.it (gcw02.jesi.nettuno.it [193.207.7.243]) by bologna.nettuno.it (8.9.3/8.9.3/NETTuno 3.3) with SMTP id JAA23377; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:56:43 +0200 (MDT) From: Giņ Reply-To: bigio@comune.jesi.ancona.it To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Net printing Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:51:43 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99100609544501.00619@plutone.jesi.nettuno.it> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there a graphical tool to setup a shared printer (it' s shared by a Win NT and I can access the NT via Samba) ? Bye Giņ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Se vuoi ricevere *GRATIS* una copia di INTERNET SERVICE NETWORK Monitoraggio dei servizi Internet nella realta' economica marchigiana *partecipa* all'indagine '99 - http://www.camerawork.it/isnet --------------------------------------------------------------------- Giovanni Bechis mailto:bigio@comune.jesi.ancona.it ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 6 1:38:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from compass.OregonVOS.net (compass.oregonvos.net [159.121.170.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E11814D9C for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:38:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from th@huppi.com) Received: from sis.huppih.com (ppp1-ast.orednet.org [159.121.170.200]) by compass.OregonVOS.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA01740; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (th@localhost) by sis.huppih.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA10031; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:51:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from th@huppi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sis.huppih.com: th owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:51:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Huppi X-Sender: th@sis.huppih.com Reply-To: Tom Huppi To: =?X-UNKNOWN?Q?Gi=F2?= Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Net printing In-Reply-To: <99100609544501.00619@plutone.jesi.nettuno.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Gi=F2 wrote: > Is there a graphical tool to setup a shared printer (it' s shared by a Wi= n NT > and I can access the NT via Samba) ? =20 I doubt it, but don't know for sure. Anyway, the article about printing in the handbook is extra-ordinarily well done. It was sufficient to get me printing web pages from my main machine on my gateway/printserver machine which are FreeBSD 3.3 and 2.2.8 respectivly. It made what would have been a pretty confusing adventure into a no brainer (in my case anyway...as they say, "your milage may vary." I bet that if samba is doing the right thing then with respect to getting a the right file to the lp daemon, then things would work fine, but I have no experiance with samba (yet.) Good Luck -Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 6 2:49:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from silver.komanda.com.ua (silver.komanda.com.ua [212.68.162.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965D614F0D for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 02:48:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sysop@komanda.com.ua) Received: from silver.komanda.com.ua (silver.komanda.com.ua [212.68.162.138]) by silver.komanda.com.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA26900; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:46:53 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sysop@komanda.com.ua) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:46:53 +0300 (EEST) From: Alex Bulygin To: Heiko Recktenwald Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Printing Mac Graphics via Ghostscript on an old Epson LQ 500 ? In-Reply-To: <199908241815.UAA00642@max.alleswirdgelber> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Heiko Recktenwald wrote: > I think I have a lpr client software, that runs on my Mac. Printing into > postscript file should work, I once made some experiments with printing > on Windows (and ghostript->acrobat reader). But I remember from Windows, > that printing with ghostript olene didnt work, I had to convert the files > also to *.pdf. Its most better to prepare files in PDF format using free plug-in from Adobe. Its PDF Writer and may be used as Liser Writer driver and bee installed in chooser on Mac. User just print to PDF writer device and get PDF file. It smaller two-three times, crossplatform ant etc. By the way, Ghost* exists for Mac too. It can convert .ps files and .pdf viceverse. __________________________________ System Administrator, Editors Headquarters of Ukrainian Sports Newspaper KOMANDA, Alex Bulygin, alex@komanda.com.ua ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 6 15:38:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from oracle.clara.net (oracle.clara.net [195.8.69.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C806515777 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:38:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kenndc@cyberdude.com) Received: from [195.8.80.169] (helo=kenn) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Yzh7-000G1z-00; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 23:37:57 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991006233612.007e6100@pop.clara.net> X-Sender: kenn@pop.clara.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 23:36:12 +0100 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Kenn D Crossley Subject: Free BSD CD-sets Cc: jramirez@digicomsystems.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org re: > I'll be quick and to the point. Is there currently an effort to get >FreeBSD to users >that may not be willing to fork out the $40 (which I feel is a very small >price to pay) >to try/test it out without having to download it? I know there was (not >sure currently) >a Linux effort to get CD sets to users. > > Basically all it did was list those who had CD sets they didn't need/use >anymore >and those interested in the OS could contact the person offering the CD set > (or even installation help) and get it for free. I know that I >personally have plenty of previous >release sets (1 rev behind release) that I don't use and would be willing >to send to some newbie >or curious in hopes that they like it and decide to use/support it. I'm >sure there are others >out there with sets that are collecting dust. > >Comments anyone? > > -Jeremy Ramirez as a very newbie with little, if any, confidence in what i download from the internet being virus free, would certainly feel MUCH happier installing from a known good set of slightly out-of-date of disks than a set of files which i had downloaded from the net which may or may not be complete. at least i would then know that the chance of an abortive install messing-up my real and needed continuously system would be kept to an absolute minimum. any-one out there willing to send me an old copy please? please reply direct as i no longer subscribe due to volume. best regards, especially to those with more confidence than i, kenn d crossley, 67 water's edge, doe hey, bolton, lancs england bl4 0nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 6 16:35:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com [24.6.21.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C68151B3 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:35:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from conrads@cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id SAA48055; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:34:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.2pre1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 18:34:07 -0500 (CDT) Organization: @Home Network From: Conrad Sabatier To: "Rashid N. Achilov" Subject: RE: X Email with nested folders Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 05-Oct-99 Rashid N. Achilov wrote: > On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Conrad Sabatier wrote: > >> >> XFMail, one of the nicest GUI mail clients I've ever seen. > > Give me URL, where I can download it, please (if know). It's in the ports collection. -- Conrad Sabatier http://members.home.net/conrads/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 6 16:40:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com [24.6.21.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7F5151B3 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:39:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from conrads@cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id SAA48071; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:36:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.2pre1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9DF3A06E9ABAD211B0D300A0C9B3ED63C657ED@embbnx03.bbn.hp.com> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 18:36:25 -0500 (CDT) Organization: @Home Network From: Conrad Sabatier To: "HEITMEIER, MICHAEL (HP-Germany,ex1)" Subject: RE: FreeBSD Successes Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 04-Oct-99 HEITMEIER, MICHAEL (HP-Germany,ex1) wrote: > * Conrad Sabatier's instructions for SB setup at > http://members.home.net/conrads/awepnp-freebsd.html > (which also > has a slight problem, kernel.config is called kernel.conf and is in > /boot, not root (/) as suggested on the page, also on my system > there is no boot.conf but it seems to be happy without it) Yes, I've been meaning to update that information. Sorry for any inconvenience. I really *must* get more organized here. :-) -- Conrad Sabatier http://members.home.net/conrads/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 7 11: 6: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from m4.worldnet.net (m4.worldnet.net [195.3.3.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43522157BB for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:06:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcasidy@worldnet.fr) Received: from greatoak.home (p14-043.province.worldnet.fr [195.3.14.43]) by m4.worldnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27047; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:05:57 GMT Received: from greatoak.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greatoak.home (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02258; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:34:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pcasidy@greatoak.home) Message-Id: <199910062034.WAA02258@greatoak.home> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:34:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Philippe CASIDY Subject: Re: X Email with nested folders To: randy@cloudfactory.org Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199910042029.NAA23820@relay.ultimanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 4 Oct, Randy Primeaux wrote: > nested mail folders: > > mail/ > mail/inbox > mail/sent > mail/lists/freebsd-announce > mail/lists/freebsd-newbies > > the last two are nested under /mail/lists, two layers deep. > > Philippe CASIDY writes: >> What do you mean by NESTED? >> Is it having a mail folder anywhere in your directories? > Okay, TkRat handle this. It calls this virtual folders. You create a folder with or without menu and you create a mail folder (mail, POP3, IMAP...) wherever you like. For instance, you can have the following menu: Folders->Mailing Lists->FreeBSD->Announce which is on your system ~/mail/lists/freebsd-announce TkRat 1.2 is in the port. Use a search engine for Tkrat2.0b3... Phil. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 7 11:19:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from relay.ultimanet.com (relay.ultimanet.com [205.179.129.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66F414E5B for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:19:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@cloudfactory.org) Received: from stratus.cloudfactory.org (stratus.cloudfactory.org [205.179.129.18]) by relay.ultimanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06584; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:39:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199910071839.LAA06584@relay.ultimanet.com> To: Philippe CASIDY Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X Email with nested folders In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 06 Oct 1999 22:34:45 +0200." <199910062034.WAA02258@greatoak.home> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 11:21:31 -0700 From: Randy Primeaux Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'll check out TkRat soon. The reason I recommend exmh with MH or nmh for nested folders is that they have a very long history of usage and stability. MH was in version 6.8.3 before it was ported to nmh 1.x . MH keeps it's messages in individual files, utilizing the unix filesystem. In 1995, Jerry Peek published a huge O'Reilly book on the topic, which is now freely available online. Cheers! Philippe CASIDY writes: > On 4 Oct, Randy Primeaux wrote: > > nested mail folders: > > > > mail/ > > mail/inbox > > mail/sent > > mail/lists/freebsd-announce > > mail/lists/freebsd-newbies > > > > the last two are nested under /mail/lists, two layers deep. > > > > Philippe CASIDY writes: > >> What do you mean by NESTED? > >> Is it having a mail folder anywhere in your directories? > > > > Okay, TkRat handle this. It calls this virtual folders. You create a > folder with or without menu and you create a mail folder (mail, POP3, > IMAP...) wherever you like. > > For instance, you can have the following menu: > > Folders->Mailing Lists->FreeBSD->Announce > > which is on your system > > ~/mail/lists/freebsd-announce > > TkRat 1.2 is in the port. Use a search engine for Tkrat2.0b3... > > Phil. -- Randy Primeaux randy@cloudfactory.org http://cloudfactory.org/~randy/ tranze@hyperreal.org http://hyperreal.org/~tranze/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 7 19:22:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sentry.granch.ru (sentry.granch.ru [212.20.5.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA4B14C21; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:22:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shelton@sentry.granch.ru) Received: from localhost (IDENT:shelton@localhost.granch.nsk.su [127.0.0.1]) by sentry.granch.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03290; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:20:14 +0700 (NOVST) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:20:13 +0700 (NOVST) From: "Rashid N. Achilov" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Full list of sysctl Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Where can I find description of full sysctls list? I found many sysctls, which doesn't described in sysctl manual page. With Best Regards. Rashid N. Achilov (RNA1-RIPE), Cert. ID: 28514, Granch Ltd. lead engineer e-mail: achilov@granch.ru, tel (383-2) 24-2363 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 8 3:46:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sentry.granch.ru (sentry.granch.ru [212.20.5.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590BF14C44 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 03:46:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shelton@sentry.granch.ru) Received: from localhost (IDENT:shelton@localhost.granch.nsk.su [127.0.0.1]) by sentry.granch.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11024; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:45:51 +0700 (NOVST) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:45:51 +0700 (NOVST) From: "Rashid N. Achilov" To: Philippe CASIDY Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X Email with nested folders In-Reply-To: <199910062034.WAA02258@greatoak.home> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Philippe CASIDY wrote: > Okay, TkRat handle this. It calls this virtual folders. You create a > folder with or without menu and you create a mail folder (mail, POP3, > IMAP...) wherever you like. Can I configure TkRat's fonts? It using default fonts without russian letters, that confused me and stopped usage it. With Best Regards. Rashid N. Achilov (RNA1-RIPE), Cert. ID: 28514, Granch Ltd. lead engineer e-mail: achilov@granch.ru, tel (383-2) 24-2363 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 8 7:10:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cobra.ee.ntu.edu.tw (cobra.ee.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.17.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 05AF8157E7 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:10:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from clyde@cobra.ee.ntu.edu.tw) Received: (qmail 28579 invoked from network); 8 Oct 1999 14:14:18 -0000 Received: from protoss.ee.ntu.edu.tw (HELO protoss) (140.112.17.113) by cobra.ee.ntu.edu.tw with SMTP; 8 Oct 1999 14:14:18 -0000 From: "Clyde Chen" To: Subject: one problem! Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 22:11:49 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org SGkgIQ0KDQogICBOb3cgbXkgT1MgaXMgZnJlZWJzZDMuMlIuICAgIEkgaW5zdGFsbCB2YXQgYW5k IG1ha2UgaXQgc3VjY2Vzc2Z1bCANCkJ1dCB3aGVuIGkgc3RhcnQgdmF0ICwgaXQgYXBwZWFyIG9u ZSAgZXJyb3IgbWVzc2FnZS4NCkl0IGlzICIgaW52YWxpZCBjb21tYW5kIG5hbWUgInRjbF9maW5k TGlicmFyeSIgICIuDQpidXQgdGNsL3RrIGlzIGluc3RhbGxlZC4gSSBkb24ndCB1bmRlcnN0YW5k IHdoeSBpdCBjYW4ndCBmaW5kIHRoZSB0Y2wNCmxpYnJheS4NCiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIHRoYW5rcw0K DQpCZXN0IFJlZ2FyZHMsY2x5ZGU= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 8 11:56:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt011n66.san.rr.com (dt011n66.san.rr.com [204.210.13.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44DA114DC7; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:56:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt011n66.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA74933; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:56:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <37FE3E43.E286A2AB@gorean.org> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:56:03 -0700 From: Doug Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT-0927 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Rashid N. Achilov" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Full list of sysctl References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For future reference this question is not appropriate for either list, and you should never cross post. You have a question, ask freebsd-questions. "Rashid N. Achilov" wrote: > > Where can I find description of full sysctls list? I found many sysctls, > which doesn't described in sysctl manual page. The source is the only reliable guide. diffs to the man pages would be greatly appreciated. Good luck, Doug -- "Stop it, I'm gettin' misty." - Mel Gibson as Porter, "Payback" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 8 14:24:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F083F14E53 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:24:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from max.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p211.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.211]) by f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27730; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:23:41 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by max.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA00761; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:04:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:04:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@max.alleswirdgelber To: Alex Bulygin Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Printing Mac Graphics via Ghostscript on an old Epson LQ 500 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, thanks for the reply ! I had allready forgotten the question... On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Alex Bulygin wrote: > > I think I have a lpr client software, that runs on my Mac. Printing into > > postscript file should work, I once made some experiments with printing > > on Windows (and ghostript->acrobat reader). But I remember from Windows, > > that printing with ghostript olene didnt work, I had to convert the files > > also to *.pdf. > > Its most better to prepare files in PDF format using free plug-in > from Adobe. Its PDF Writer and may be used as Liser Writer driver and > bee installed in chooser on Mac. User just print to PDF writer device and > get PDF file. It smaller two-three times, crossplatform ant etc. > > By the way, > Ghost* exists for Mac too. It can convert .ps files and .pdf viceverse. I fear, those tools dont work on this very old 68000 motorola SE. But I'll look for a laser writer driver replacement, maybe this works. Best wishes from Bonn, Heiko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 8 17:55:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from oracle.clara.net (oracle.clara.net [195.8.69.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C839514FC9 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:55:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kenndc@cyberdude.com) Received: from [195.8.77.221] (helo=kenn---450) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Zkn3-000FI4-00; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 01:55:13 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991009011814.007da8c0@pop.clara.net> X-Sender: kenn@pop.clara.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 01:18:14 +0100 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Kenn D Crossley Subject: Free BSD CD-sets Cc: jramirez@digicomsystems.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org re-sent 1999-10-09 did you receive this? re: > I'll be quick and to the point. Is there currently an effort to get >FreeBSD to users >that may not be willing to fork out the $40 (which I feel is a very small >price to pay) >to try/test it out without having to download it? I know there was (not >sure currently) >a Linux effort to get CD sets to users. > > Basically all it did was list those who had CD sets they didn't need/use >anymore >and those interested in the OS could contact the person offering the CD set > (or even installation help) and get it for free. I know that I >personally have plenty of previous >release sets (1 rev behind release) that I don't use and would be willing >to send to some newbie >or curious in hopes that they like it and decide to use/support it. I'm >sure there are others >out there with sets that are collecting dust. > >Comments anyone? > > -Jeremy Ramirez as a very newbie with little, if any, confidence in what i download from the internet being virus free, would certainly feel MUCH happier installing from a known good set of slightly out-of-date of disks than a set of files which i had downloaded from the net which may or may not be complete. at least i would then know that the chance of an abortive install messing-up my real and needed continuously system would be kept to an absolute minimum. any-one out there willing to send me an old copy please? please reply direct as i no longer subscribe due to volume. best regards, especially to those with more confidence than i, kenn d crossley, 67 water's edge, doe hey, bolton, lancs england bl4 0nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 8 18: 2:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web106.yahoomail.com (web106.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CABDE14FC9 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:02:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cometman_98@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19991009010503.28546.rocketmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.98.27] by web106.yahoomail.com; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 18:05:03 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:05:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Cometman Subject: Re: Free BSD CD-sets To: Kenn D Crossley , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: jramirez@digicomsystems.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org a) http://visar.csustan.edu/ is the url for a "free unix" giveaway list. It's also the Link for the Free Software Bazaar: if you want to commission a program of any kind, put up a reward on the Bazaar /// or if you know how to program, nab a contract there b) I've a FreeBSD 3.1 Walnut Creek set I'll send to the first person I receive a request from. Got to keep the minimal shelf space clear! I'll post to the list as soon as I get the first request. Live long & prosper! Mike --- Kenn D Crossley wrote: > re-sent 1999-10-09 > did you receive this? > > re: > > I'll be quick and to the point. Is there currently an effort to > get > >FreeBSD to users > >that may not be willing to fork out the $40 (which I feel is a very > small > >price to pay) > >to try/test it out without having to download it? I know there was __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 8 18: 9:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dfsi.net (mail.dfsi.net [204.49.105.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64ADC1536D for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:09:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glen@dfsi.net) Received: from glen1 [204.49.105.107] by dfsi.net (SMTPD32-5.01) id A5E22043011E; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 20:09:54 CDT Message-ID: <021301bf11f2$93effe40$0101a8c0@dfsi.net> Reply-To: "Glen Rushing" From: "Glen Rushing" To: References: <3.0.5.32.19991009011814.007da8c0@pop.clara.net> Subject: Re: Free BSD CD-sets Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:06:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ken, I see your hesitation but would like to put in my two cents. I ordered the FREEBSD "POWERHOUSE" from Walnut Creek and I've never even used any form of Unix/Linux/BSD in my life. I was beginning to get disgusted myself, but I got my email last night that my BACKORDER has been shipped and looks like I'll be enjoying mine by Tuesday. I already downloaded the CDROM Image file, took two days to complete it with disconnects etc, but it DID work and I was able to install it on my computer. Then tonight I was IMPRESSED once again to see that Greg Lehey, the Author of the book, to take the time to post ERRATA sheet changes to this list. That alone is enough to boost my confidence in the program and I'm looking forward to a long lasting use of it. Good luck in your pursuit of the software from someone.. Glen Rushing ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenn D Crossley To: Cc: Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 7:18 PM Subject: Free BSD CD-sets > re-sent 1999-10-09 > did you receive this? > > re: > > I'll be quick and to the point. Is there currently an effort to get > >FreeBSD to users > >that may not be willing to fork out the $40 (which I feel is a very small > >price to pay) > >to try/test it out without having to download it? I know there was (not > >sure currently) > >a Linux effort to get CD sets to users. > > > > Basically all it did was list those who had CD sets they didn't need/use > >anymore > >and those interested in the OS could contact the person offering the CD set > > (or even installation help) and get it for free. I know that I > >personally have plenty of previous > >release sets (1 rev behind release) that I don't use and would be willing > >to send to some newbie > >or curious in hopes that they like it and decide to use/support it. I'm > >sure there are others > >out there with sets that are collecting dust. > > > >Comments anyone? > > > > -Jeremy Ramirez > > > as a very newbie with little, if any, confidence in what i download from > the internet being virus free, would certainly feel MUCH happier installing > from a known good set of slightly out-of-date of disks than a set of files > which i had downloaded from the net which may or may not be complete. > > at least i would then know that the chance of an abortive install > messing-up my real and needed continuously system would be kept to an > absolute minimum. > > any-one out there willing to send me an old copy please? > > please reply direct as i no longer subscribe due to volume. > > best regards, especially to those with more confidence than i, > > kenn d crossley, > 67 water's edge, > doe hey, > bolton, lancs > england bl4 0nl > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 8 18:20:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dfsi.net (mail.dfsi.net [204.49.105.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A593F14C15 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:20:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glen@dfsi.net) Received: from glen1 [204.49.105.107] by dfsi.net (SMTPD32-5.01) id A89B179A0094; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 20:21:31 CDT Message-ID: <025601bf11f4$30992ae0$0101a8c0@dfsi.net> Reply-To: "Glen Rushing" From: "Glen Rushing" To: Subject: Fw: Return Message Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:18:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone else get these RETURNED messages when they post to the list? Just curious as I think most returned messages to a LIST are forwarded to the List Owner and not seen by members of the list. Glen Rushing ----- Original Message ----- From: MAILID To: Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 8:08 PM Subject: Return Message The included message could not be delivered to the following invalid mail names. Please verify these names and try them again. Bad name: lsyquia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 8 18:25:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web114.yahoomail.com (web114.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB6A01540F for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:25:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cometman_98@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19991009012431.11830.rocketmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.98.27] by web114.yahoomail.com; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 18:24:31 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:24:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Cometman Subject: Re: Free BSD CD-sets To: Glen Rushing Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In re the last message of mine, there's a lucky winner already! Wow that was quick. >I wrote (about 10 minutes ago) > > > > a) http://visar.csustan.edu/ is the url for a "free unix" > giveaway > > list. It's also the Link for the Free Software Bazaar: if you want > to > > commission a program of any kind, put up a reward on the Bazaar /// > or > > if you know how to program, nab a contract there > > > > b) I've a FreeBSD 3.1 Walnut Creek set I'll send to the first > person I > > receive a request from. Got to keep the minimal shelf space clear! > > I'll post to the list as soon as I get the first request. > > > > Live long & prosper! > > > > Mike > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 8 19:28:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gw.caamora.com.au (jonath5.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.41.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1354714BD3 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:28:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@gw.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by gw.caamora.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08005; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:27:56 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Message-ID: <19991009122755.A7948@caamora.com.au> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:27:55 +1000 From: jonathan michaels To: Ian J Hart Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies Mail-Followup-To: Ian J Hart , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <199910071840.OAA25123@blackhelicopters.org> <37FE86B1.948CE7FA@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <37FE86B1.948CE7FA@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk>; from Ian J Hart on Sat, Oct 09, 1999 at 01:05:05AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD gw.caamora.com.au 2.2.7-RELEASE i386 X-Mood: i'm alive, if it counts Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org please excuse me i've redirected this to freebsd-newbies and away from freebsd-stable, where this is not a topic for discussion based upon the reading of teh charter, though i believe it should be discussed in all lists. that is how to properly handle a newbies sometimes inapropriate questions. ian, On Sat, Oct 09, 1999 at 01:05:05AM +0100, Ian J Hart wrote: > Thought for the day: From little Newbies do mighty Gurus grow. this is one thing the presnet generation of so called gurus, has either forgotten or is trying to actively discourage. > Some positive stuff on the list for a change; about time. What I cannot > understand is why anyone is suprised that stable recieves _inappropriate_ > mail. If you track stable you are _REQUIRED_ to subscribe to _THIS_ > mailing list. (Yes I am shouting, sorry). My understanding of human > nature says this is where any questions are going to get posted. Perhaps > something (less dry) in the subscription acknowledgement might help. yup, whwere ever the questons are asked thats where the aswers and flames will flow ... just like water that always flows down hill from where it starts. > Justin Wolf is right on track. Ask yourself, why is Linux getting such a > lot of press? It's reached critical mass in terms of number of users, > thats why. FreeBSD can be the best O/S ever, but if people (aka. Newbies) > don't use it, it may not survive. > > If you/we are going to provide basic help for newbies (myself included), > it needs to be friendlier than man. HTML or even info would be better > (IMHO). It might also be worth aliasing "help". Before you all run away > screaming, I'm suggesting that a level of indirection is useful. This > week help might mean man newbie. Next week it could mean info newbie, or > whatever. Keeping the user inferface the same is _a_good_thing_. most (ok all) of what you have said here is good solid advice. but, thier is one small thing that you and most every other person has failed to address. this being the rude arrogance of several of teh so called gurus. this then breeds an atmosphers of active, agressively hostile repression towards newbies in particular and as an after thought to all those who are by nature, culture or language usage different to, from, those that have decleared themselves (godlike) keepers of teh faith. back in the days before popularity the tcp/ip knitted world (yup been thier done that and remember what it was like) we all had a respect for each other and treated one another as equals and with moodest kindness. thier were rules of etiquette, no not this now stylised nettiquete garbage .. rather, it was based on treating people as people and relying on the ability to observe what was going on and our inate ability to think. if one person posted inapropriately, all the people who responded and yes many did not just the moderator (if thoer was one) or the keeper of the list etc. all the responces were sent by private email, as were the replies. it was always kept of off the list. thier was a less voyeurestic desire to see one person dismbowled by a pack of raveing, salvering hyenas madened by the prospect of yet another kill ... driven on by the frenze of the onlookers. may be this might be a bit of an overly emphasised description, but not by much, not by much at all. whenever one of these incidents happen the leaders of teh pack have always an excuse, a reason fro thoier very very poor examples of leadership and dicipline. its always "but the other guy started it" .. i used to get belted (remeber the over the knee, or over the chair and yor fathers belt?) for fighting, it was to be expected, both the scuffles and teh inevitable punishment. but, what lefet the biggest impression on me (and the only times i would actually have a bruise or two) was when i tried to blame the "other guy" for starting the fight. thier is an old saying "it takes two to tango", it is true that some people only post in mailing lists to cause disruption, if we followed my grandmother advice and treated everybody as people we would soon discover who the disruptive one are and then we as a group would be able to take clean and appropriate action. so what did my grandmother advise, simply put and poorly translated to english by me .. treat everybody with respect, kindly see to thier needs and walk away from those who only seek to hurt you, if they follow you don;t leave them standing. i'd convert this to the way we used to correspond over the fledgling netowrk connections that most of us take fro granted and treat with such malicious contempt. for the trouble makers, the private email take away thier audience, they will go to some other place to find that audience,ergo we will be left in piece, and, not pieces. for the newbies, the private email sets an example of how to deal with difficult and or off topic email. it also shows them that you respect thier person and won't open them to public ridicule .. no matter how gently its done or how well meaning, a public drubbing is still a public drubing and still hurts an awfull lot. we the survivors of our presdisesors vivisctitudes need to lead by example. speak politely, with dignity and a level of respect that will hearten and reasure the person that this is not a bad place to be. please note, i don't refer to the sickenly syrup like "politically correct" language that passes fro and in particular american english at the moment. rather an opness that envites people to speak freely and hopnestly without fear of "netcops", or the grammar police or the spellingcops et al. sure thier are those who delight in poor spelling as an ends to a mean .. but thier are far more people who don't have englsih as a even a second language, more like third or fourth. then thier are the disabled, ones who have poor motorskills, poor language and thinking by way of significant neurologicial damage or aqired brain damage. as many people as thier are, thier are as many levels and types of disability. the Internet was once a hope a dream, now it has become a hype that is only souring into some marketers worst nightmare. we built the world we now inhabit, it dodn't happen, nobody took a packet of instant earth mix and added the obligatory two eggs half cup of milk, dash of salt and sugar to taste. anyway, i've probably babbled on for two long and said little of real value. so i;ll take my leave. but, please note, i'm still here after 5 years because i like freebsd, its easy fro disabled person to use learn and talk about. linux has nowhere near the same level of consistancy, integration or coherance as freebsd. also, most of the people i find interesting to talk to and who can relate to me or people like me also use freebsd. well i suppose i take these issues (roasting newbies) becaue they are a bit closer to my door step than to many others, but, on anther, a more human level, treating people like garbage is never a good idea. forgetting the old axiom what goes around comes around, witht he constant incidious encroachment of technology into our lives we live in more and more isolated corners of the world. we as a people ned to remember that we are people, not machines, hell even machines make mistakes and we don't "roast" them. no, we dismantle them and thow them away ... i have also noticed this distrubing trend in this corner of teh unix world as well. well i've said enough .. regards to all jonathan -- =============================================================================== Jonathan Michaels PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia =========================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 8 19:30:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2701414BD3 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:30:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA34799 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:30:09 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:30:09 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199910090230.MAA34799@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Oct 9 11:41:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt011n66.san.rr.com (dt011n66.san.rr.com [204.210.13.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265F614FF9 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:41:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt011n66.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA90837; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:41:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <37FF8C6B.F27E420F@gorean.org> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 11:41:47 -0700 From: Doug Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT-0927 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kenn D Crossley Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Free BSD CD-sets References: <3.0.5.32.19991009011814.007da8c0@pop.clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kenn D Crossley wrote: > as a very newbie with little, if any, confidence in what i download from > the internet being virus free, would certainly feel MUCH happier installing > from a known good set of slightly out-of-date of disks than a set of files > which i had downloaded from the net which may or may not be complete. While on the one hand I can definitely understand your apprehension, you should really spend some time reading the information available on the web site. It should inspire confidence that some of us know a little bit about what we are doing. If that doesn't help, think of the hundreds of thousands of people who've installed from the net already. Why would we want to advertise an installation system that doesn't work? > at least i would then know that the chance of an abortive install > messing-up my real and needed continuously system would be kept to an > absolute minimum. Actually, it's just as easy to fubar a system with a CD install as it is with a net install, since the media you install from is the _least_ significant potential fubar'ing factor. But for total security your very best bet would be to buy a copy of "The Complete FreeBSD" that includes the latest 3.3 CD's. That small investment will provide you a tremendous amount of knowledge and experience about the installation process at a small price to pay for your peace of mind. > please reply direct as i no longer subscribe due to volume. Hmm... if the volume on the -newbies list is too much for you to handle, I'm not sure that using FreeBSD is going to be successful for you. This isn't just something you can slap into place and watch it work. There is a lot to know, a lot to do, and a lot to educate yourself about. What purpose are you trying to achieve here? Is this something that will justify the investment in time that you will have to put in to be successful at it? I don't want to discourage you here, but if your time is as valuable to you as mine is to me, I'd rather have someone pose some hard questions so that I can know what I'm getting myself into. In any case, good luck. Doug -- "Stop it, I'm gettin' misty." - Mel Gibson as Porter, "Payback" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Oct 9 17:25:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from topsecret.net (gill.apk.net [207.54.148.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 86EAE14C80 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:25:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gill@topsecret.net) Received: from pacific.int.topsecret.net by topsecret.net with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP5.R) for ; Sat, 09 Oct 1999 20:24:53 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 20:25:43 -0400 (EDT) From: gill X-Sender: gill@pacific.int.topsecret.net To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: i did it Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Return-Path: gill@topsecret.net Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org yay. i got x installed :) ------------- [TopSecret] Ph:2168302208 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Oct 9 18:30: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43CD14D61 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Smc486@aol.com) Received: from Smc486@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id aGTW0zzxf1 (3977); Sat, 9 Oct 1999 21:29:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Smc486@aol.com Message-ID: <0.e6b7fa6a.2531460e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 21:29:50 EDT Subject: Re: i did it To: gill@topsecret.net Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 27 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Good job, but isnt that suppose to be a secret? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Oct 9 18:56:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205E714CEC for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:56:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id VAA27161; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 21:56:22 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts003d20.mer-id.concentric.net (ts003d20.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.128]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id VAA20171; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 21:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:54:36 -0600 (MDT) From: mlduke To: gill Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: i did it In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > yay. i got x installed :) > Congratulations. Big step. ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message