From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 11 01:40:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD8616A4CE for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:40:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from transport.cksoft.de (transport.cksoft.de [62.111.66.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD68443D5C for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:40:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net) Received: from transport.cksoft.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by transport.cksoft.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E70371FF9AB for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:40:09 +0100 (CET) Received: by transport.cksoft.de (Postfix, from userid 66) id 6186D1FF9A8; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:40:08 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail.int.zabbadoz.net (Postfix, from userid 1060) id 8ED71154F8; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.int.zabbadoz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2D315384 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:30:37 +0000 (UTC) From: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" X-X-Sender: bz@e0-0.zab2.int.zabbadoz.net To: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <002c01c3d7ff$e6ff28e0$6401a8c0@mybox> Message-ID: References: <002c01c3d7ff$e6ff28e0$6401a8c0@mybox> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS cksoft-s20020300-20031204bz on transport.cksoft.de Subject: Re: Fw: Jails not quite stable.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:40:23 -0000 On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 dap99@i-55.com wrote: [ problmes with jails ] > > Thoughts on this? is your base system in sync with the obj tree you install your jails with ? -- Bjoern A. Zeeb bzeeb at Zabbadoz dot NeT 56 69 73 69 74 http://www.zabbadoz.net/ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 11 02:07:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53BED16A4CE for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 02:07:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.heronetwork.com (mail.heronetwork.com [216.254.62.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC50F43D31 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 02:07:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wrmine@heronetwork.com) Received: by mx1.heronetwork.com (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 53AA2A4CA0; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 02:07:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from heronetwork.com (12-228-104-137.client.attbi.com [12.228.104.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.heronetwork.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7E1A4BC2 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 02:07:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4001207E.6050602@heronetwork.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 02:07:58 -0800 From: "W. Ryan Merrick" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031218 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on nott.heronetwork.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=8.0 tests=DONT_DELETE autolearn=no version=2.60 Subject: Cyrus-imapd failing on sasl_server_init X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:07:55 -0000 hello, I have been abused this for a while. I am trying to setup Postfix-2.0.16+cyrus-Imap-2.1.16_1+cyrus-sasl-2.1.17_1 on my FreeBSD 4.9 Stable server's inside NIC. I tried questions with no replies. Postfix is configured with: sasl2, TLS, BDB_ver 40 cyrus-imapd2' => '--with-sasl --with-openssl WITH_BDB_VER=4' cyrus-sasl2' => '--with-openssl WITH_BDB_VER=4 --enable-auth-sasldb --enable-login' Postfix runs fine by itself It complains that: Jan 10 02:47:22 c1529030-a postfix/pipe[35530]: 51BDF4113: to=, orig_to=, relay=cyrus, delay=9701, status=deferred (temporary failure. Command output: couldn't connect to lmtpd: Connection refused_ 421 4.3.0 deliver: couldn't connect to lmtpd_ ) I know that the lmtpd socket is also handled by cyrus imap to deliver the mail to the cyrus mailboxes that the admin sets up in cyradm. #ll /var/imap/socket/ srwxrwxrwx 1 root cyrus 0 Jan 10 03:17 lmtp Sasl has two users one admin and one user with passwords #sasldblistusers2 admin@attbi.com: userPassword wrmine@attbi.com: userPassword When I run /usr/local/cyrus/bin/master I get this output in /var/log/cyrus.imap Jan 10 03:27:09 c1529030-a master[39752]: process started Jan 10 03:27:09 c1529030-a master[39753]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/ctl_cyrusdb Jan 10 03:27:09 c1529030-a ctl_cyrusdb[39753]: recovering cyrus databases Jan 10 03:27:09 c1529030-a ctl_cyrusdb[39753]: done recovering cyrus databases Jan 10 03:27:09 c1529030-a master[39752]: servname not supported for ai_socktype, disabling lmtp Jan 10 03:27:09 c1529030-a master[39752]: ready for work Jan 10 03:27:09 c1529030-a master[39754]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/ctl_cyrusdb Jan 10 03:27:09 c1529030-a ctl_cyrusdb[39754]: checkpointing cyrus databases Jan 10 03:27:09 c1529030-a ctl_cyrusdb[39754]: archiving database file: /var/imap/mailboxes.db Jan 10 03:27:09 c1529030-a ctl_cyrusdb[39754]: archiving log file: /var/imap/db/log.0000000001 Jan 10 03:27:09 c1529030-a ctl_cyrusdb[39754]: archiving log file: /var/imap/db/log.0000000001 Jan 10 03:27:09 c1529030-a ctl_cyrusdb[39754]: done checkpointing cyrus databases Jan 10 03:27:09 c1529030-a master[39752]: process 39754 exited, status 0 When I attempt to access cyradmin with: cyradm --user admin -auth plain cell.attbi.com I get a high volume of repeating logs. (about 20 lines a second) Jan 10 03:30:51 c1529030-a imap[39987]: executed Jan 10 03:30:51 c1529030-a imapd[39987]: SASL failed initializing: sasl_server_init(): generic failure Jan 10 03:30:51 c1529030-a master[39752]: process 39987 exited, status 1 Jan 10 03:30:51 c1529030-a master[39988]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/imapd Until I kill master. At which point I get my login prompt. #cyradm --user admin -auth plain cell.attbi.com IMAP Password:Broken pipe I have googled everything I from the logs with no hints. I dont know where I went wrong. I have tried cvsuping and rebuilding all the packages a few times in the last month. Configs and files follow -- -Ryan Merrick wrmine@heronetwork.com #cat /usr/local/lib/sasl2/Cyrus.conf pwcheck_method auxprop #cat /usr/local/lib/sasl2/smtpd.conf pwcheck_method auxprop #ll /usr/lib/sasl2 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 20 Jan 8 01:34 /usr/lib/sasl2 -> /usr/local/lib/sasl2 #ll /var/imap/socket/ total 0 srwxrwxrwx 1 root cyrus 0 Jan 10 03:27 lmtp #cat /usr/local/etc/imapd.conf configdirectory: /var/imap partition-default: /var/spool/imap servername: cell.attbi.com allowanonymouslogin: yes allowplaintext: yes admins: admin singleinstancestore: yes duplicatesuppression: yes sieveusehomedir: false sievedir: /var/imap/sieve sendmail: /usr/local/sbin/sendmail sasl_minimum_layer: 0 sasl_pwcheck_method: auxprop lmtpsocket: /var/imap/socket/lmtp #cat /usr/local/etc/cyrus.conf # standard standalone server implementation START { # do not delete this entry! recover cmd="ctl_cyrusdb -r" # this is only necessary if using idled for IMAP IDLE # idled cmd="idled" } # UNIX sockets start with a slash and are put into /var/imap/socket SERVICES { # add or remove based on preferences imap cmd="imapd" listen="10.1.1.1:imap" prefork=0 imaps cmd="imapd -s" listen="10.1.1.1:imaps" prefork=0 pop3 cmd="pop3d" listen="pop3" prefork=0 pop3s cmd="pop3d -s" listen="pop3s" prefork=0 sieve cmd="timsieved" listen="sieve" prefork=0 # at least one LMTP is required for delivery lmtp cmd="lmtpd" listen="lmtp" prefork=0 lmtpunix cmd="lmtpd" listen="/var/imap/socket/lmtp" prefork=0 # this is only necessary if using notifications # notify cmd="notifyd" listen="/var/imap/socket/notify" proto="udp" prefork=1 } EVENTS { # this is required checkpoint cmd="ctl_cyrusdb -c" period=30 # this is only necessary if using duplicate delivery suppression delprune cmd="ctl_deliver -E 3" at=0400 # this is only necessary if caching TLS sessions tlsprune cmd="tls_prune" at=0400 } #cat /usr/local/etc/postfix/main.cf # LOCAL PATHNAME INFORMATION queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix command_directory = /usr/local/sbin daemon_directory = /usr/local/libexec/postfix # QUEUE AND PROCESS OWNERSHIP mail_owner = postfix # INTERNET HOST AND DOMAIN NAMES myhostname = cell.attbi.com mydomain = attbi.com # SENDING MAIL myorigin = $myhostname # RECEIVING MAIL inet_interfaces = $myhostname, localhost mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain # REJECTING MAIL FOR UNKNOWN LOCAL USERS local_recipient_maps = unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 450 # TRUST AND RELAY CONTROL mynetworks_style = host # ALIAS DATABASE alias_maps = hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/aliases alias_database = dbm:/usr/local/etc/postfix/aliases # DELIVERY TO MAILBOX #home_mailbox = Mailbox #home_mailbox = Maildir/ mail_spool_directory = /var/spool/mail mailbox_transport = lmtp:unix:/var/imap/socket/lmtp #mailbox_transport = cyrus # SHOW SOFTWARE VERSION OR NOT smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name # # INSTALL-TIME CONFIGURATION INFORMATION sendmail_path = /usr/local/sbin/sendmail newaliases_path = /usr/local/bin/newaliases mailq_path = /usr/local/bin/mailq setgid_group = maildrop manpage_directory = /usr/local/man sample_directory = /usr/local/etc/postfix Readme_directory = no readme_directory = no #broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes smtpd_sasl2_auth_enable = yes From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 11 05:46:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AFD516A4CE for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:46:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from stonefish.tiscali.nl (stonefish.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E928843D2F for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:46:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eric@monkey-online.net) Received: from ericvlaptop.monkey-online.net (195-241-113-9-mx.xdsl.tiscali.nl [195.241.113.9]) by stonefish.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4786D3A7; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:46:04 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20040111144537.01ff0580@mail.monkey-online.net> X-Sender: eric@mail.monkey-online.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:46:16 +0100 To: Justin Hopper , FreeBSD ISP Mailing List From: Eric Veraart In-Reply-To: <1073760522.7833.35.camel@work.gusalmighty.com> References: <6.0.0.22.0.20040110164557.01ba1670@mail.monkey-online.net> <1073760522.7833.35.camel@work.gusalmighty.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: Installing frontpage doesn't create shtml.exe X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:46:23 -0000 Hello, Somehow something changed overnight, and now everything works like a charm. Thanks for the help. Greetings, Eric At 19:48 10-1-2004, Justin Hopper wrote: >On Sat, 2004-01-10 at 07:46, Eric Veraart wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I'm trying to install frontpage extions for some virtual hosts. I use > Plesk > > 6.0.2 to enable Frontpage support for the sites. Plesk runs the > > fpinstall.sh script, and it creates the config files, and a _vti_bin > > directory with a _vti_adm and _vti_aut directory. But all these > directories > > are empty. When I copy shtml.exe from the exes dir in frontpage, and chown > > it to the correct user it works. But I don't feel like copying all the > > files for all the domains manually, and chown them. > > > > Does anybody have an idea why fpinstall.sh only creates empty dirs in the > > httpdocs directory of the vhost? > >The directories should be empty. The mod_frontpage.so Apache module >should intercept a request for files in these directories and call the >appropriate files in /usr/local/frontpage/... or where ever you have the >core FrontPage files installed. This of course will not occur if you do >not have the mod_frontpage.so module loaded, so that may be the first >thing to check. > >Check your error_log (both the vhost log and main Apache log, if you >have vhosts configured) for the FrontPage-specific error. I remember >there was some specific problem related to shtml.exe that often came up, >but I can't remember what it was. If you can find an error log entry, >that may refresh my memory on the solution. > > > Greetings, > > Eric > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >-- >Justin Hopper >UNIX Systems Engineer >BSDHosting.net >Hosting Division of Digital Oasys Inc. >http://www.bsdhosting.net > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 11 11:49:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D69B16A4CE for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:49:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from h2.liquidneon.com (h2.liquidneon.com [216.38.206.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C1F7B43D46 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:49:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bdavis@house.so14k.com) Received: (qmail 63264 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 19:49:03 -0000 Received: from c-24-8-51-173.client.comcast.net (HELO mccaffrey.house.so14k.com) (24.8.51.173) by h2.liquidneon.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 19:49:03 -0000 Received: by mccaffrey.house.so14k.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B5EC3A50; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:44:29 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:44:29 -0700 From: Brad Davis To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040111174429.GA97230@mccaffrey.house.so14k.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Server Hardware. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:49:05 -0000 I would stay away from SATA until 5.3 or later. Support is kind of hit and miss at the moment. I have an Adaptec 1210SA which is supported but doesn't work under FreeBSD. A friend of mine has one that works just fine. SuperMicro has had good reviews in the past but I haven't seen any recently. I'm also looking at their equipment. Regards, Brad Davis On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 12:46:54PM -0800, Keith Woodworth wrote: > Weve been running BSD/OS since 1996, with a few small FreeBSD machines > thrown in for testing and monitoring of things. > > Now since BSD/OS is EOL'd by WindRiver we will be moving to FreeBSD on > production machines. > > First will be a new webserver and probably a mailserver. Been looking at > some SuperMicro stuff and some of their machines are SATA Intel RAID and > it looks like FBSD 5.1 has support for this in their ata(4) driver. Is > this so? > > Anyone have recommendations on a board that will work with SCSI or IDE > Raid 1 under FBSD 4.8, 4.9 or even the 5.x train, that they are using in > production? > > Thanks, > Keith Woodworth > MSN: shasta_5000@hotmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 11 13:56:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA87116A4CE for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:56:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.yazzy.org (yazzy.org [217.8.140.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207CA43D5A for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:56:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@yazzy.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.yazzy.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C6B39812; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:56:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.yazzy.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (urukhai.yazzy.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 47688-01; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:56:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from yazzy.solheim (yazzy [192.168.98.11]) by mail.yazzy.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B4AC3980F; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:56:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:32:53 +0100 From: Martin Jessa To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040111223253.69191b5c.freebsd@yazzy.org> In-Reply-To: <20040111010331.GA1754@outreachnetworks.com> References: <018e01c3d798$0de66670$6401a8c0@mybox> <20040111010331.GA1754@outreachnetworks.com> Organization: WRS ASA X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.0claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Failover of FreeBSD firewall with ipfw/natd X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:56:50 -0000 Hi. This may help: http://www.ezunix.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=69&page=1 On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:03:32 -0500 "Eric L. Howard" wrote: > At a certain time, now past [Jan.10.2004-10:36:48AM -0600], dap99@i-55.com spake thusly: > > Apologies for the first empty post. > > > > I am running FreeBSD 4.8-REL with ipfw and natd. My firewall has a primary > > IP address and several other IP addresses aliased on the public interface. > > This firewall serves as a gateway and performs NAT for a set of servers > > offering web, email, and HTTPS. We have two machines that can serve as the > > firewall: One is the primary firewall, and the second can be brought up > > manually as the firewall in case of a failure of the first machine. > > > > I would like to automate the process of failover for the firewall. > > This has come up in the past...did you check the archives? > > [admin@zechariah ports]$ make search key=freevrrp > Port: freevrrpd-0.8.7 > Path: /usr/ports/net/freevrrpd > Info: This a VRRP RFC2338 Compliant implementation under FreeBSD > Maint: spe@bsdfr.org > Index: net > B-deps: > R-deps: > > [admin@zechariah freevrrpd]$ less pkg-descr > freevrrpd is a VRRP (Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol) implementation > daemon under FreeBSD. freevrrpd is part of the High UpTime project. > This daemon has been rewritten from scratch and is not based on > existing projects. In this second public release, you can find: > > * A daemon RFC 2338 Compliant adapted on FreeBSD systems > * Implementation of Virtual Adresses > * Support for multiples VRID > * Master announce state by sending multicast packets via BPF > * Changing routes and IP in 3 seconds > * Doing gratuitous ARP requests to clean the cache of all hosts > * Election between different slave servers > * Same host can be Slave and Master at the same time > * Automatic Downgrade to Slave if a Master is up again > * Anti-Address Conflict system > * Multi-threaded vrrp daemon > * Plain text password authentication > * Using now only one BPF device for all VRID > * Support netmask for Virtual IP addresses > * Support for monitored circuit and dependances between VRIDs > > WWW: http://www.bsdshell.net/ > > I don't use ipfw or natd...so I can't comment on that portion...but > again..it's come up in the past...check the archives for -isp, -security and > -ipfw. > > ~elh > > -- > Eric L. Howard e l h @ o u t r e a c h n e t w o r k s . c o m > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > www.OutreachNetworks.com 313.297.9900 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > JabberID: elh@jabber.org Advocate of the Theocratic Rule > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 11 19:14:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8D616A4CE for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from phil.netxp.com.au (adsl-127-117.swiftdsl.com.au [218.214.127.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F5743D46 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:14:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lists@netxp.com.au) Received: from netxp.com.au (unknown [192.168.101.17]) by phil.netxp.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E4EEE56D for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:14:40 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <40021116.3010801@netxp.com.au> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:14:30 +1000 From: "lists@netxp.com.au" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [ot] is this possible with fbsd? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: lists@netxp.com.au List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 03:14:32 -0000 look here to see my question: http://www.printeron.net/solutions/services/printing_service_example.html I was wondering if this sort of thing has been done previously with bsd? it look simple enough to build an interface with php? but does php print? thanks phil From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 11 20:22:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8E316A4CE for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:22:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE8243D48 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:22:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Musshorns@comcast.net) Received: from HOMEJB1YO50SG6 (c-67-163-160-166.client.comcast.net[67.163.160.166]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20040112042222013005hc37e>; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 04:22:22 +0000 From: "Kris" To: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 23:22:16 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c3d8c3$a91e3f60$a6a0a343@HOMEJB1YO50SG6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: Introduction X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Musshorns@comcast.net List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 04:22:24 -0000 I just sunscribed to this list and i am in CT. I am trying to get up to speed on freeBSD as quickly as possible so if their is anyone local that i can use as a resource please email me.. thanks K From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 00:48:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853C416A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 00:48:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-ft6.fr.colt.net (smtp-ft6.fr.colt.net [213.41.78.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C4E43D3F for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 00:48:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nanard@tou.nu) Received: from orion (noc-bes.adm.fr.colt.net [195.68.1.120]) by smtp-ft6.fr.colt.net with SMTP id i0C8mN402637; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:48:23 +0100 Message-ID: <066401c3d8e8$d67e7590$51fd210a@orion> From: "nanard" To: , References: <000001c3d8c3$a91e3f60$a6a0a343@HOMEJB1YO50SG6> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:48:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: Re: Introduction X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:48:31 -0000 Try man (7) tuning to begin Nicolas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris" To: Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 5:22 AM Subject: Introduction > I just sunscribed to this list and i am in CT. I am trying to get up to > speed on freeBSD as quickly as possible so if their is anyone local that i > can use as a resource please email me.. thanks > K > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 07:31:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F6F16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 07:31:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.numachi.com (meisai.numachi.com [198.175.254.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 09A2F43D31 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 07:31:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from reichert@numachi.com) Received: (qmail 55189 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 15:31:17 -0000 Received: from natto.numachi.com (198.175.254.216) by meisai.numachi.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 15:31:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 33179 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Jan 2004 15:31:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:31:17 -0500 From: Brian Reichert To: "lists@netxp.com.au" Message-ID: <20040112153117.GT317@numachi.com> References: <40021116.3010801@netxp.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <40021116.3010801@netxp.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [ot] is this possible with fbsd? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:31:20 -0000 On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 01:14:30PM +1000, lists@netxp.com.au wrote: > look here to see my question: > > http://www.printeron.net/solutions/services/printing_service_example.html > > I was wondering if this sort of thing has been done previously with bsd? > it look simple enough to build an interface with php? but does php > print? Explore CUPS; this exists as a series of ports. > thanks > > phil -- Brian 'you Bastard' Reichert 37 Crystal Ave. #303 Daytime number: (603) 434-6842 Derry NH 03038-1713 USA BSD admin/developer at large From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 09:58:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1A8716A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:58:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from miramanee.icarz.com (miramanee.icarz.com [207.99.22.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0E543D5F for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:57:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kenm@icarz.com) Received: from deanna.icarz.com (deanna.icarz.com [207.99.22.19]) by miramanee.icarz.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0CHvmLc062137; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:57:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kenm@icarz.com) Received: from kenxp (netb-178.icarz.com [209.123.219.178]) by deanna.icarz.com (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with SMTP id i0CHvliM068831; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:57:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kenm@icarz.com) Message-ID: <12b701c3d934$51c41e80$b2db7bd1@icarz.com> From: "Ken Menzel" To: "Keith Woodworth" , References: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:48:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 Subject: Re: Server Hardware. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:58:22 -0000 Hi Keith, I would recommend FBSD 4.x for production and also if you are not yet familiar with FreeBSD. This is really a freebsd-questions topic. Hardware info: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.9R/hardware-i386.html#AEN33 We use mostly Adaptec with raidutil from ports collection: Adaptec 2100S/32x0S/34x0S SCSI RAID controllers ( asr(4) driver) Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Woodworth" To: Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 3:46 PM Subject: Server Hardware. > Weve been running BSD/OS since 1996, with a few small FreeBSD machines > thrown in for testing and monitoring of things. > > Now since BSD/OS is EOL'd by WindRiver we will be moving to FreeBSD on > production machines. > > First will be a new webserver and probably a mailserver. Been looking at > some SuperMicro stuff and some of their machines are SATA Intel RAID and > it looks like FBSD 5.1 has support for this in their ata(4) driver. Is > this so? > > Anyone have recommendations on a board that will work with SCSI or IDE > Raid 1 under FBSD 4.8, 4.9 or even the 5.x train, that they are using in > production? > > Thanks, > Keith Woodworth > MSN: shasta_5000@hotmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 10:21:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE1E16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:21:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from cobra.acceleratedweb.net (cobra-gw.acceleratedweb.net [207.99.79.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DACAA43D2D for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:21:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 29717 invoked by uid 110); 12 Jan 2004 18:24:11 -0000 Received: from ool-18baaf5c.dyn.optonline.net (HELO win2kpc1) (24.186.175.92) by cobra.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 18:24:11 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" , "Keith Woodworth" , "Ken Menzel" Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:20:53 -0500 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2661) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;4) In-Reply-To: <12b701c3d934$51c41e80$b2db7bd1@icarz.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20040112182106.DACAA43D2D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Re: Server Hardware. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:21:09 -0000 I keep hearing some people say that those zero-channel adaptec RAID cards are not reliable while others say that they use them fine. Can someone clear this up for me? how do they stand up to beating under heavy loads and long uptime? Thanks, Simon On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:48:42 -0500, Ken Menzel wrote: >Hi Keith, > I would recommend FBSD 4.x for production and also if you are not >yet familiar with FreeBSD. This is really a freebsd-questions topic. > >Hardware info: >http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.9R/hardware-i386.html#AEN33 > >We use mostly Adaptec with raidutil from ports collection: >Adaptec 2100S/32x0S/34x0S SCSI RAID controllers ( asr(4) driver) > >Ken > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Keith Woodworth" >To: >Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 3:46 PM >Subject: Server Hardware. > > >> Weve been running BSD/OS since 1996, with a few small FreeBSD >machines >> thrown in for testing and monitoring of things. >> >> Now since BSD/OS is EOL'd by WindRiver we will be moving to FreeBSD >on >> production machines. >> >> First will be a new webserver and probably a mailserver. Been >looking at >> some SuperMicro stuff and some of their machines are SATA Intel RAID >and >> it looks like FBSD 5.1 has support for this in their ata(4) driver. >Is >> this so? >> >> Anyone have recommendations on a board that will work with SCSI or >IDE >> Raid 1 under FBSD 4.8, 4.9 or even the 5.x train, that they are >using in >> production? >> >> Thanks, >> Keith Woodworth >> MSN: shasta_5000@hotmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 11:48:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69EF716A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:48:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from miramanee.icarz.com (miramanee.icarz.com [207.99.22.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEBA543D1D for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:47:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kenm@icarz.com) Received: from deanna.icarz.com (deanna.icarz.com [207.99.22.19]) by miramanee.icarz.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0CJlgLc071302; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:47:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kenm@icarz.com) Received: from kenxp (netb-178.icarz.com [209.123.219.178]) by deanna.icarz.com (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with SMTP id i0CJlfiM070152; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:47:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kenm@icarz.com) Message-ID: <13fe01c3d943$abd70ea0$b2db7bd1@icarz.com> From: "Ken Menzel" To: "Simon" , , "Keith Woodworth" References: <20040112182106.DACAA43D2D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:38:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 Subject: Re: Server Hardware. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:48:04 -0000 We have about 800 users on 3 servers running RAID 1+0, plus our web server (RAID 1). No problems ever. Occasionaly a drive fails, stick in the new drive and the array rebuilds. The users never know. We use 3200's and 2100's. A lot of people have their favorites. Another good card I have heard of is Mylex, but only through hearsay. Most of the cards designed for high performance servers work fine, the differences are in scalability and manageability and what you like and how you use it and sometimes cost. The asr-utils from the ports collection works really well. (for the asr type controllers!). We don't use the "zero channel" controllers, so I can't comment on that. Best of luck Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon" To: ; "Keith Woodworth" ; "Ken Menzel" Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 1:20 PM Subject: Re: Server Hardware. > > I keep hearing some people say that those zero-channel adaptec RAID > cards are not reliable while others say that they use them fine. Can someone > clear this up for me? how do they stand up to beating under heavy loads > and long uptime? > > Thanks, > Simon > > > On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:48:42 -0500, Ken Menzel wrote: > > >Hi Keith, > > I would recommend FBSD 4.x for production and also if you are not > >yet familiar with FreeBSD. This is really a freebsd-questions topic. > > > >Hardware info: > >http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.9R/hardware-i386.html#AEN33 > > > >We use mostly Adaptec with raidutil from ports collection: > >Adaptec 2100S/32x0S/34x0S SCSI RAID controllers ( asr(4) driver) > > > >Ken > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Keith Woodworth" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 3:46 PM > >Subject: Server Hardware. > > > > > >> Weve been running BSD/OS since 1996, with a few small FreeBSD > >machines > >> thrown in for testing and monitoring of things. > >> > >> Now since BSD/OS is EOL'd by WindRiver we will be moving to FreeBSD > >on > >> production machines. > >> > >> First will be a new webserver and probably a mailserver. Been > >looking at > >> some SuperMicro stuff and some of their machines are SATA Intel RAID > >and > >> it looks like FBSD 5.1 has support for this in their ata(4) driver. > >Is > >> this so? > >> > >> Anyone have recommendations on a board that will work with SCSI or > >IDE > >> Raid 1 under FBSD 4.8, 4.9 or even the 5.x train, that they are > >using in > >> production? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Keith Woodworth > >> MSN: shasta_5000@hotmail.com > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >"freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 12:15:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 052BD16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:15:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from cobra.acceleratedweb.net (cobra-gw.acceleratedweb.net [207.99.79.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 735DD43D49 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:15:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 55104 invoked by uid 110); 12 Jan 2004 20:18:17 -0000 Received: from ool-18baaf5c.dyn.optonline.net (HELO win2kpc1) (24.186.175.92) by cobra.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 20:18:17 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" , "Keith Woodworth" , "Ken Menzel" Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:14:59 -0500 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2661) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;4) In-Reply-To: <13fe01c3d943$abd70ea0$b2db7bd1@icarz.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20040112201512.735DD43D49@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Re: Server Hardware. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:15:21 -0000 Yes, Mylex are great, that's what we have been using thus far. However, Mylex is no longer in business as LSI Logic acquired them. So now, we are looking for different (perhaps better) solution. Perhaps someone put those zero channel controllers to a good beating and can share their experience. -Simon On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:38:36 -0500, Ken Menzel wrote: >We have about 800 users on 3 servers running RAID 1+0, plus our web >server (RAID 1). No problems ever. Occasionaly a drive fails, stick >in the new drive and the array rebuilds. The users never know. > >We use 3200's and 2100's. A lot of people have their favorites. >Another good card I have heard of is Mylex, but only through hearsay. >Most of the cards designed for high performance servers work fine, >the differences are in scalability and manageability and what you like >and how you use it and sometimes cost. > >The asr-utils from the ports collection works really well. (for the >asr type controllers!). > >We don't use the "zero channel" controllers, so I can't comment on >that. > >Best of luck > >Ken > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Simon" >To: ; "Keith Woodworth" ; >"Ken Menzel" >Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 1:20 PM >Subject: Re: Server Hardware. > > >> >> I keep hearing some people say that those zero-channel adaptec RAID >> cards are not reliable while others say that they use them fine. Can >someone >> clear this up for me? how do they stand up to beating under heavy >loads >> and long uptime? >> >> Thanks, >> Simon >> >> >> On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:48:42 -0500, Ken Menzel wrote: >> >> >Hi Keith, >> > I would recommend FBSD 4.x for production and also if you are >not >> >yet familiar with FreeBSD. This is really a freebsd-questions >topic. >> > >> >Hardware info: >> >http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.9R/hardware-i386.html#AEN33 >> > >> >We use mostly Adaptec with raidutil from ports collection: >> >Adaptec 2100S/32x0S/34x0S SCSI RAID controllers ( asr(4) driver) >> > >> >Ken >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Keith Woodworth" >> >To: >> >Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 3:46 PM >> >Subject: Server Hardware. >> > >> > >> >> Weve been running BSD/OS since 1996, with a few small FreeBSD >> >machines >> >> thrown in for testing and monitoring of things. >> >> >> >> Now since BSD/OS is EOL'd by WindRiver we will be moving to >FreeBSD >> >on >> >> production machines. >> >> >> >> First will be a new webserver and probably a mailserver. Been >> >looking at >> >> some SuperMicro stuff and some of their machines are SATA Intel >RAID >> >and >> >> it looks like FBSD 5.1 has support for this in their ata(4) >driver. >> >Is >> >> this so? >> >> >> >> Anyone have recommendations on a board that will work with SCSI >or >> >IDE >> >> Raid 1 under FBSD 4.8, 4.9 or even the 5.x train, that they are >> >using in >> >> production? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Keith Woodworth >> >> MSN: shasta_5000@hotmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> >"freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 12:37:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D496516A4D0 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from tinker.com (12.156.4.4.tinker.com [12.156.4.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3883443D7D for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:35:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kim@tinker.com) Received: (qmail 27970 invoked by uid 27); 12 Jan 2004 20:27:05 -0000 Received: from 64.90.42.210.tinker.com(64.90.42.210), claiming to be "debbie.tinker.com" via SMTP by pop.tinker.com, id smtpd3j45DU; Mon Jan 12 14:26:57 2004 Received: from debbie.tinker.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by debbie.tinker.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id i0CKQu5U005653 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:26:56 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kim@tinker.com) Received: (from smtp@localhost) by debbie.tinker.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id i0CKQu3s005652 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:26:56 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: debbie.tinker.com: smtp set sender to using -f Received: from elaine.tinker.com(192.42.172.13), claiming to be "mailhub.tinker.com" via SMTP by debbie.tinker.com, id smtpdk5leBE; Mon Jan 12 14:26:52 2004 Received: from [192.42.172.22] (sneffels.tinker.com [192.42.172.22]) by mailhub.tinker.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA50877 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:26:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kim@tinker.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <12b701c3d934$51c41e80$b2db7bd1@icarz.com> References: <12b701c3d934$51c41e80$b2db7bd1@icarz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9617A014-453D-11D8-BC05-000A959A16DC@tinker.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kim Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:26:22 -0600 To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Subject: Re: Server Hardware. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:37:16 -0000 I have servers with Adaptec 2100s and 3210s SCSI RAID controllers. I have no problems with the controllers. I first had FreeBSD 4.5 running on these machines. When I upgraded them to 4.8 last summer, I could no longer run raidutil to configure and monitor the controllers and I have to reboot the servers and use the BIOS utility to do configuration. I have contacted Adaptec multiple times to see if they would fix raidutil but I have not had any success. Kim On Jan 12, 2004, at 11:48 AM, Ken Menzel wrote: > Hi Keith, > I would recommend FBSD 4.x for production and also if you are not > yet familiar with FreeBSD. This is really a freebsd-questions topic. > > Hardware info: > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.9R/hardware-i386.html#AEN33 > > We use mostly Adaptec with raidutil from ports collection: > Adaptec 2100S/32x0S/34x0S SCSI RAID controllers ( asr(4) driver) > > Ken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Woodworth" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 3:46 PM > Subject: Server Hardware. > > >> Weve been running BSD/OS since 1996, with a few small FreeBSD > machines >> thrown in for testing and monitoring of things. >> >> Now since BSD/OS is EOL'd by WindRiver we will be moving to FreeBSD > on >> production machines. >> >> First will be a new webserver and probably a mailserver. Been > looking at >> some SuperMicro stuff and some of their machines are SATA Intel RAID > and >> it looks like FBSD 5.1 has support for this in their ata(4) driver. > Is >> this so? >> >> Anyone have recommendations on a board that will work with SCSI or > IDE >> Raid 1 under FBSD 4.8, 4.9 or even the 5.x train, that they are > using in >> production? >> >> Thanks, >> Keith Woodworth >> MSN: shasta_5000@hotmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- Kim Shrier - principal, Shrier and Deihl - mailto:kim@tinker.com Remote Unix Network Admin, Security, Internet Software Development Tinker Internet Services - Superior FreeBSD-based Web Hosting http://www.tinker.com/ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 15:09:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB0C16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:09:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from etrn2.doruk.net.tr (etrn2.doruk.net.tr [212.58.5.167]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3B343D46 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:09:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vahric@doruk.net.tr) Received: from mail.doruk.net.tr ([212.58.5.6] helo=doruk.net.tr) by etrn2.doruk.net.tr with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AgBHL-0003ei-53 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 01:15:27 +0200 Received: from [82.151.156.1] (account vahric HELO hpvaho) by doruk.net.tr (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 71633057 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 01:15:21 +0200 From: "Vahric MUHTARYAN" To: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 01:08:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcPZYQ6kJpzi0JJNR9a451miWvW2kg== Message-ID: Subject: I need advise X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:09:31 -0000 Hi, I did not use FreeBSD and I don't know very well FreeBSD a month ago. After redhat start to sold with money I test FreeBSD and I like FreeBSD too . I think that too many people are working on ISP who are member of this mailing list and I know FreeBSD secure enough, because security advisories shown that not too much bugs are available for FreeBSD but firms always want guarantee. Now I have to make a decision, Does it true to believe OS when they supported via firms . Does anybody use or using Redhat Enterprise Server with FreeBSD on same environment. ?! Can compare each other ?! Thanks Vahric MUHTARYAN From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 16:07:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF4BE16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:07:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (user38.net339.fl.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEFD343D41 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:07:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bv@wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0D074Rl095065 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:07:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv@wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i0D0735w095064 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:07:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:07:03 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040113000703.GE93628@wjv.com> References: <13fe01c3d943$abd70ea0$b2db7bd1@icarz.com> <20040112201512.735DD43D49@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040112201512.735DD43D49@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on bilver.wjv.com Subject: Re: Server Hardware. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:07:09 -0000 Putting quill to paper and scribbling furiously on Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 15:14 , Simon missed achieving immortality when he said: > Yes, Mylex are great, that's what we have been using thus far. > However, Mylex is no longer in business as LSI Logic acquired > them. So now, we are looking for different (perhaps better) solution. > Perhaps someone put those zero channel controllers to a good > beating and can share their experience. What problems do you see with LSI. LSI Logic acuiring the business is just "SCSI coming home". NCR originally developed most of the SCSI as I recall, and LSI is the old NCR group - so if any of the original team is stil there that means they have more years of knowledge than other vendors. I'm just asking this as question - having no hands on use of their product and just knowhing their backgroun. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 16:28:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1547716A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:28:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from cobra.acceleratedweb.net (cobra-gw.acceleratedweb.net [207.99.79.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B9B5843D31 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:28:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 11485 invoked by uid 110); 13 Jan 2004 00:31:33 -0000 Received: from ool-18baaf5c.dyn.optonline.net (HELO win2kpc1) (24.186.175.92) by cobra.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 00:31:33 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "bv@wjv.com" , "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:28:14 -0500 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2661) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;4) In-Reply-To: <20040113000703.GE93628@wjv.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20040113002827.B9B5843D31@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Re: Server Hardware. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:28:30 -0000 Well, for one, as far as I can tell, LSI has stopped developing Mylex cards, so only the old cards are available. Second, and as I recall, in the past, MegaRAID cards were below the quality of Mylex, which is why we went with Mylex over MegaRAID cards. However, and perhaps, MegaRAID SCSI 320 series kicks ass. Any input? like I said, I'm just looking for newer solution. The reason why I asked about Adaptec zero channel series is because they are supported by Supermicro, the motherboards we primarily use for our servers. The idea of getting a barebone server where you don't have to mess with custom-order cabling is very attractive. And in 1U servers, this frees up valuable expansion slot and again avoids messy cabling. -Simon On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:07:03 -0500, Bill Vermillion wrote: >Putting quill to paper and scribbling furiously on Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 15:14 , >Simon missed achieving immortality when he said: > > >> Yes, Mylex are great, that's what we have been using thus far. >> However, Mylex is no longer in business as LSI Logic acquired >> them. So now, we are looking for different (perhaps better) solution. > >> Perhaps someone put those zero channel controllers to a good >> beating and can share their experience. > >What problems do you see with LSI. LSI Logic acuiring the business >is just "SCSI coming home". NCR originally developed most of the >SCSI as I recall, and LSI is the old NCR group - so if any of the >original team is stil there that means they have more years of >knowledge than other vendors. > >I'm just asking this as question - having no hands on use of their >product and just knowhing their backgroun. > >Bill >-- >Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 19:05:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7172616A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:05:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from p3.saignon.net (66-146-166-52.skyriver.net [66.146.166.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C2743D45 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:05:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tony@saign.com) Received: (qmail 2900 invoked by uid 1003); 13 Jan 2004 03:05:01 -0000 Received: from tony@saign.com by p3.saignon.net by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (clamscan: 0.65. spamassassin: 2.61. Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.022941 secs); 13 Jan 2004 03:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p3.saignon.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 03:05:01 -0000 Received: from 66.146.166.53 (SquirrelMail authenticated user tony@saign.com) by p3.saignon.net with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:05:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1414.66.146.166.53.1073963101.squirrel@p3.saignon.net> In-Reply-To: <20040113002827.B9B5843D31@mx1.FreeBSD.org> References: <20040113000703.GE93628@wjv.com> <20040113002827.B9B5843D31@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:05:01 -0800 (PST) From: tony@saign.com To: "Simon" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: mini-ITX 1U dual servers?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 03:05:30 -0000 Just saw some a nifty dual ITX 1U server case, wondering if anyone knows how well or if these boards will run 5.x CURRENT. http://www.caseoutlet.com/NWPc/C147/C147_Barebone.html Woulds be pretty nice to co-locate dual servers in a 1U slot. -Tony From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 19:34:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4166616A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:34:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E811F43D54 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:34:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from webmail.centtech.com (otter3.centtech.com [10.177.173.12]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id i0D3Yi6T042422; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:34:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from 192.168.42.24 (SquirrelMail authenticated user anderson) by otter.centtech.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:34:44 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <49540.192.168.42.24.1073964884.squirrel@otter.centtech.com> In-Reply-To: <1414.66.146.166.53.1073963101.squirrel@p3.saignon.net> References: <20040113000703.GE93628@wjv.com> <20040113002827.B9B5843D31@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <1414.66.146.166.53.1073963101.squirrel@p3.saignon.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:34:44 -0600 (CST) From: "Eric Anderson" To: tony@saign.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mini-ITX 1U dual servers?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 03:34:46 -0000 tony@saign.com said: > Just saw some a nifty dual ITX 1U server case, wondering if anyone knows > how well or if these boards will run 5.x CURRENT. > http://www.caseoutlet.com/NWPc/C147/C147_Barebone.html > > Woulds be pretty nice to co-locate dual servers in a 1U slot. Yes, these should run freebsd just fine in this environment. Eric ------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Anderson anderson@centtech.com Centaur Technology You have my continuous partial attention ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 20:35:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A03516A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:35:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from taka.swcp.com (taka.swcp.com [198.59.115.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C3243D4C for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:35:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from deichert@wrench.com) Received: from shimi.swcp.com (shimi.swcp.com [198.59.115.14]) by taka.swcp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0D4ZKsv001876 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:35:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (deichert@localhost) by shimi.swcp.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA14824 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:35:20 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: shimi.swcp.com: deichert owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:35:19 -0700 (MST) From: Diana Eichert X-Sender: deichert@shimi.swcp.com To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <49540.192.168.42.24.1073964884.squirrel@otter.centtech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on kaimen.swcp.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.61 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: mini-ITX 1U dual servers?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 04:35:24 -0000 On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Eric Anderson wrote: > tony@saign.com said: > > Just saw some a nifty dual ITX 1U server case, wondering if anyone knows > > how well or if these boards will run 5.x CURRENT. > > http://www.caseoutlet.com/NWPc/C147/C147_Barebone.html > > > > Woulds be pretty nice to co-locate dual servers in a 1U slot. > > Yes, these should run freebsd just fine in this environment. > > Eric You know what I see is the real drawback to these systems? They require a monitor and keyboard to set them up initially, and really you want to continue to have a monitor and heyboard immediately available. This doesn't really make sense in a rackmount server, what is better is a serial console that gives access to the BIOS remotely. I even talked to VIA about a serial console redirect feature and they referred me to General Software, http://www.gensw.com/, who has a PXE boot serial console BIOS for the VIA system boards. Unfortunately their pricing is not setup to work with small quantity purchases. I don't know why VIA doesn't create an alternate BIOS providing serial console support by default, maybe if more people contact them with this request. I would think in the embedded system world, which is where they appear to be focusing a lot of their marketing, serial console support would be a no brainer. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 20:54:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790DB16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:54:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE94C43D1D for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:54:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from webmail.centtech.com (otter3.centtech.com [10.177.173.12]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id i0D4sn6T051657; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:54:49 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from 192.168.42.24 (SquirrelMail authenticated user anderson) by otter.centtech.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:54:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <49868.192.168.42.24.1073969689.squirrel@otter.centtech.com> In-Reply-To: References: <49540.192.168.42.24.1073964884.squirrel@otter.centtech.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:54:49 -0600 (CST) From: "Eric Anderson" To: "Diana Eichert" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mini-ITX 1U dual servers?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 04:54:51 -0000 Diana Eichert said: > On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Eric Anderson wrote: > >> tony@saign.com said: >> > Just saw some a nifty dual ITX 1U server case, wondering if anyone >> knows >> > how well or if these boards will run 5.x CURRENT. >> > http://www.caseoutlet.com/NWPc/C147/C147_Barebone.html >> > >> > Woulds be pretty nice to co-locate dual servers in a 1U slot. >> >> Yes, these should run freebsd just fine in this environment. >> >> Eric > > You know what I see is the real drawback to these systems? They require a > monitor and keyboard to set them up initially, and really you want to > continue to have a monitor and heyboard immediately available. This > doesn't really make sense in a rackmount server, what is better is a > serial console that gives access to the BIOS remotely. I even talked to > VIA about a serial console redirect feature and they referred me to > General Software, http://www.gensw.com/, who has a PXE boot serial console > BIOS for the VIA system boards. Unfortunately their pricing is not > setup to work with small quantity purchases. I don't know why VIA doesn't > create an alternate BIOS providing serial console support by default, > maybe if more people contact them with this request. I would think in the > embedded system world, which is where they appear to be focusing a lot of > their marketing, serial console support would be a no brainer. I work for the processor design group for VIA - I'll see what I can do.. Eric ------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Anderson anderson@centtech.com Centaur Technology You have my continuous partial attention ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 21:01:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDDE16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:01:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from taka.swcp.com (taka.swcp.com [198.59.115.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2D543D2D for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:01:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from deichert@wrench.com) Received: from shimi.swcp.com (shimi.swcp.com [198.59.115.14]) by taka.swcp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0D51tsv030216 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:01:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (deichert@localhost) by shimi.swcp.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA15694 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:01:55 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: shimi.swcp.com: deichert owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:01:55 -0700 (MST) From: Diana Eichert X-Sender: deichert@shimi.swcp.com To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <49868.192.168.42.24.1073969689.squirrel@otter.centtech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on kaimen.swcp.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.61 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: mini-ITX 1U dual servers?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 05:01:59 -0000 On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Eric Anderson wrote: SNIP > I work for the processor design group for VIA - I'll see what I can do.. > > Eric > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Eric Anderson anderson@centtech.com Centaur Technology > You have my continuous partial attention > ------------------------------------------------------------- Wow, quick reply and from someone at a VIA sub. Hmmm, while I have your attention, what's going on with SMP systems using the c5p? http://peertech.org/hardware/viarng/image/dual-c5p-mini-itx.jpg From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 21:39:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F42D16A575 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:39:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F330D43D39 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:39:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from webmail.centtech.com (otter3.centtech.com [10.177.173.12]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id i0D5dJ6T056708; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:39:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from 192.168.42.24 (SquirrelMail authenticated user anderson) by otter.centtech.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:39:19 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <50085.192.168.42.24.1073972359.squirrel@otter.centtech.com> In-Reply-To: References: <49868.192.168.42.24.1073969689.squirrel@otter.centtech.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:39:19 -0600 (CST) From: "Eric Anderson" To: "Diana Eichert" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mini-ITX 1U dual servers?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 05:39:22 -0000 Diana Eichert said: > On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Eric Anderson wrote: > SNIP >> I work for the processor design group for VIA - I'll see what I can do.. >> >> Eric >> > > Wow, quick reply and from someone at a VIA sub. Hmmm, while I have your > attention, what's going on with SMP systems using the c5p? > > http://peertech.org/hardware/viarng/image/dual-c5p-mini-itx.jpg I'm noot 100% sure what you are asking - but the dual boards we have in-house are pretty nice.. still some things to work out, but pretty cool nonetheless.. I assume you know about all the RNG and encryption on those processors too.. Eric ------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Anderson anderson@centtech.com Centaur Technology You have my continuous partial attention ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 03:17:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779A516A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 03:17:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunfright.epcdirect.co.uk (gunfright.epcdirect.co.uk [195.10.242.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C806D43D3F for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 03:17:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-isp@epcdirect.co.uk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gunfright.epcdirect.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E421555E; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:17:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gunfright.epcdirect.co.uk ([127.0.0.1])port 10024) with ESMTP id 10085-10; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:17:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lfarr (l-farr.directory.int.epcdirect.co.uk [192.168.6.200]) by gunfright.epcdirect.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80EE515538; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:17:35 +0000 (GMT) From: "Lawrence Farr" To: "'Simon'" , , Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:17:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcPZbE5O2Ekv39a+R/SZ1TBUHKOLLAAV3UEQ In-Reply-To: <20040113002827.B9B5843D31@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <20040113111735.80EE515538@gunfright.epcdirect.co.uk> X-Virus-Scanned: by Gunfright.epcdirect.co.uk Subject: RE: Server Hardware. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:17:41 -0000 I have a 1u (6013p-8) Supermicro and a 2u (6023p-8), both with Adaptec Zero Channel U320 Raid cards. They hang solid and reliably under heavy loads (3 simultaneous "iozone -a" in different directorys. You can kill it under Linux or FreeBSD 4/5 this way. I've swapped discs, firmware for discs, and now taken the ZCR out and put a Megaraid 320/1 in there. Much slower and same lockup problem. If I had to guess, I'd point the finger at Supermicro (Latest BIOS on both, dropping to 40Mb/sec from U320 on the ZCR's makes no difference to stability). Apart from that, I really like them! Lawrence Farr EPC Direct Limited > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Simon > Sent: 13 January 2004 00:28 > To: bv@wjv.com; freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Server Hardware. > > > Well, for one, as far as I can tell, LSI has stopped > developing Mylex cards, > so only the old cards are available. Second, and as I recall, > in the past, > MegaRAID cards were below the quality of Mylex, which is why we went > with Mylex over MegaRAID cards. However, and perhaps, MegaRAID > SCSI 320 series kicks ass. Any input? like I said, I'm just > looking for newer > solution. The reason why I asked about Adaptec zero channel series is > because they are supported by Supermicro, the motherboards we > primarily > use for our servers. The idea of getting a barebone server > where you don't > have to mess with custom-order cabling is very attractive. > And in 1U servers, > this frees up valuable expansion slot and again avoids messy cabling. > > -Simon > > On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:07:03 -0500, Bill Vermillion wrote: > > >Putting quill to paper and scribbling furiously on Mon, Jan > 12, 2004 at 15:14 , > >Simon missed achieving immortality when he said: > > > > > >> Yes, Mylex are great, that's what we have been using thus far. > >> However, Mylex is no longer in business as LSI Logic acquired > >> them. So now, we are looking for different (perhaps > better) solution. > > > >> Perhaps someone put those zero channel controllers to a good > >> beating and can share their experience. > > > >What problems do you see with LSI. LSI Logic acuiring the business > >is just "SCSI coming home". NCR originally developed most of the > >SCSI as I recall, and LSI is the old NCR group - so if any of the > >original team is stil there that means they have more years of > >knowledge than other vendors. > > > >I'm just asking this as question - having no hands on use of their > >product and just knowhing their backgroun. > > > >Bill > >-- > >Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com > >_______________________________________________ > >freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 04:41:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC44516A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 04:41:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from taka.swcp.com (taka.swcp.com [198.59.115.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D13AC43D39 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 04:41:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from deichert@wrench.com) Received: from shimi.swcp.com (shimi.swcp.com [198.59.115.14]) by taka.swcp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0DCfJsv069348 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 05:41:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (deichert@localhost) by shimi.swcp.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA28977 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 05:41:19 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: shimi.swcp.com: deichert owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 05:41:19 -0700 (MST) From: Diana Eichert X-Sender: deichert@shimi.swcp.com To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <50085.192.168.42.24.1073972359.squirrel@otter.centtech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on kaimen.swcp.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.61 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: mini-ITX 1U dual servers?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:41:25 -0000 On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Eric Anderson wrote: SNIP > I'm noot 100% sure what you are asking - but the dual boards we have > in-house are pretty nice.. still some things to work out, but pretty cool > nonetheless.. I assume you know about all the RNG and encryption on those > processors too.. > > Eric > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Eric Anderson anderson@centtech.com Centaur Technology > You have my continuous partial attention > ------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry, it was late for me when I posted. What I was asking about was if the dual C5 boards are really going to be sold to the public? The trade sites just kinda give you hints of their availability, yep I've also read about RNG and encryption capability. In fact it the RNG and encryption that says these are headed for embedded endpoint VPN systems, which wouldn't need vga capability. thanks From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 07:43:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D573216A4CF for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:43:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (user38.net339.fl.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C1843D76 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:43:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bv@wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0DFh5Rl003290 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:43:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv@wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i0DFh50I003289 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:43:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:43:05 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040113154305.GB2865@wjv.com> References: <49540.192.168.42.24.1073964884.squirrel@otter.centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on bilver.wjv.com Subject: Re: mini-ITX 1U dual servers?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:43:55 -0000 Even though on Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 21:35 Diana Eichert realized that everything he says should be taken 'cum grano salis', he unhesitatingly continued with this missive: > On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Eric Anderson wrote: > > tony@saign.com said: > > > Just saw some a nifty dual ITX 1U server case, wondering if anyone knows > > > how well or if these boards will run 5.x CURRENT. > > > http://www.caseoutlet.com/NWPc/C147/C147_Barebone.html > > > Woulds be pretty nice to co-locate dual servers in a 1U slot. > > Yes, these should run freebsd just fine in this environment. > You know what I see is the real drawback to these systems? > They require a monitor and keyboard to set them up initially, > and really you want to continue to have a monitor and heyboard > immediately available. This doesn't really make sense in a > rackmount server, what is better is a serial console that gives > access to the BIOS remotely. I even talked to VIA about a > serial console redirect feature and they referred me to General > Software, http://www.gensw.com/, who has a PXE boot serial > console BIOS for the VIA system boards. Unfortunately their > pricing is not setup to work with small quantity purchases. I > don't know why VIA doesn't create an alternate BIOS providing > serial console support by default, maybe if more people contact > them with this request. I would think in the embedded system > world, which is where they appear to be focusing a lot of their > marketing, serial console support would be a no brainer. In the past I've used the little Intel servers and the BIOS and then OS direct to the serial ports made them really nice. What current systems support this feature. These weren't PXE boots, but only needed one serial connection. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 08:58:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB12816A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 08:58:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from arnold.neland.dk (0x50c48aec.adsl-fixed.tele.dk [80.196.138.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0CF143D60 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 08:58:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: from gina (gina.neland.dk [192.168.5.14]) by arnold.neland.dk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i0DGwFV6047088 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:58:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Message-ID: <006301c3d9f6$71350c30$0e05a8c0@gina> From: "Leif Neland" To: References: <40021116.3010801@netxp.com.au> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:58:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: Re: [ot] is this possible with fbsd? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:58:23 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 4:14 AM Subject: [ot] is this possible with fbsd? > look here to see my question: > > http://www.printeron.net/solutions/services/printing_service_example.html > > I was wondering if this sort of thing has been done previously with bsd? > it look simple enough to build an interface with php? but does php > print? > The interface might be easy, but printing M$ documents might be tricky. This printing service supports over 100 file formats, including: a.. Microsoft Word b.. Microsoft Excel c.. Microsoft PowerPoint d.. Microsoft Visio There might be converters which you can use yourself, I'm not sure they are good enough if you want to charge for the service. Leif From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 22:55:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A345316A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.unixmexico.net (ns1.unixmexico.net [69.10.138.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF2843D58 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:54:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nbari@unixmexico.com) Received: (qmail 41300 invoked by uid 85); 14 Jan 2004 06:59:17 -0000 Received: from nbari@unixmexico.com by ns1.unixmexico.net by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (hbedv: 6.22.0.1/6.22.0.6. Clear:. Processed in 0.337516 secs); 14 Jan 2004 06:59:17 -0000 Received: from ns1.unixmexico.net (HELO mail.unixmexico.com) ([69.10.138.161]) (envelope-sender ) by ns1.unixmexico.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Jan 2004 06:59:16 -0000 Received: from 148.243.211.1 (SquirrelMail authenticated user nbari@unixmexico.com) by mail.unixmexico.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:59:16 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <52975.148.243.211.1.1074063556.squirrel@mail.unixmexico.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:59:16 -0600 (CST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Nicol=E1s_de_Bari_Embr=EDz_G._R.?= To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Routing Networks X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 06:55:02 -0000 Hi all, I need some help routing or making Nat on a LAN. I have something like this: I N T E R N E T ----------------- ^ ^ | | fxp0 public IP public IP | | FreeBSD server LINUX server | | dc0 192.168.10.1 | dc1 192.168.1.1 ^ 192.168.1.3 ^ | ^ | | | | | | ---------------- | Switch/Hub | ---------------- | | ------------------ ----------------- | LAN A | | LAN B | | 192.168.10.2-254 | | 192.168.1.4-100 | ------------------ ----------------- I have running a FreeBSD server as a gateway and DHCP, the server share the Internet to all the computers on LAN A (192.168.10.0/24). The server have 3 network cards: fxp0 is public IP. dc0 is the gateway for the LAN A "192.168.10.1". dc1 has IP 192.168.1.1 ( need help with this ). Right now i am just using fxp0 and dc0 so any computer on the LAN A "192.168.10.2-254" can have Internet, my ipnat.rules file looks like this: -- map fxp0 192.168.10.1/24 -> 0/32 portmap tcp/udp auto map fxp0 192.168.10.1/24 -> 0/32 -- until that point everything just work OK. There is another network, I will call it LAN B, this LAN make the same thing that i am doing with the FreeBSD Server, but instead it uses LINUX, the m achine have 2 network cars. eth0 has a public IP. eth1 is the gateway for the LAN B "192.168.1.3" Both networks are connected to the same switch/hub, but now i need that the computers of LAN A can see "ping" computers on LAN B. If I configure the third nick "dc1" on the FreeBSD server to have an IP on the range of LAN B for example with ip 192.168.1.1, then I can see all the computers from both LAN's, I can ping, telnet, ssh etc. to both 192.168.10.X and 192.168.1.X. networks "standing on the FreeBSD server." What i want to do is that a computer on LAN A with an IP on the range of 192.168.10.2-254 can ping, telnet, ssh, etc. to a computer on LAN B "192.168.1.X". How can i solve this problem, is this is a route or Nat problem ? There is one more issue, I can't touch the LINUX SERVER I can just be a client or join the LAN by configure a nic with a IP on the range of 192.168.1.0/24. I have been trying to fix this with static routes but i am not having luck. Any help will be apreciated. regards. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 23:41:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2AB16A4CE; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:41:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from correo.tid.es (tidos.tid.es [193.145.240.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A0D43D1D; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:41:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from igf@tid.es) Received: from conversion-daemon.tid.hi.inet by tid.hi.inet (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) id <0HRG00001XQSE4@tid.hi.inet>; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:41:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from tid.es (sophia.hi.inet [10.95.43.243]) by tid.hi.inet (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HRG003ATYOOKB@tid.hi.inet>; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:41:12 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:43:37 +0100 From: Isaac Gelado To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-id: <4004F329.1000902@tid.es> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: es-es, es, en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; es-ES; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 References: <52975.148.243.211.1.1074063556.squirrel@mail.unixmexico.com> cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: nbari@unixmexico.com Subject: Re: Routing Networks X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:41:16 -0000 Nicolás de Bari Embríz G. R. escribió: > Hi all, I need some help routing or making Nat on a LAN. > > I have something like this: > > > I N T E R N E T > ----------------- > ^ ^ > | | > fxp0 public IP public IP > | | > FreeBSD server LINUX server > | | > dc0 192.168.10.1 | > dc1 192.168.1.1 ^ 192.168.1.3 > ^ | ^ > | | | > | | | > ---------------- > | Switch/Hub | > ---------------- > | | > ------------------ ----------------- > | LAN A | | LAN B | > | 192.168.10.2-254 | | 192.168.1.4-100 | > ------------------ ----------------- > > > What i want to do is that a computer on LAN A with an IP on the range of > 192.168.10.2-254 can ping, telnet, ssh, etc. to a computer on LAN B > "192.168.1.X". > > How can i solve this problem, is this is a route or Nat problem ? I think it is a route problem. You must add next static route: - On the linux machine route all incoming packets with dest addr 192.168.10.x to 192.168.1.1 It shouldn't be necesary a static route on the freebsd machine since it has a network device with an addr of LAN B. Of course you must run a route daemon in both machines (I supouse it's running now since they are working as gateways) and the previous route must be added to the route daemon running on the linux machine. You can allways check that packets are going by the correct way with traceroute. Regards, Isaac -- __________________________________________________________ | Isaac Gelado | | | Telefónica I+D | Tlf 983367649 | | Paq. Tec. de Boecillo | | | Valladolid | igf@tid.es | |_______________________________|__________________________| | As gold which he cannot spend will make no man rich | | so knowledge which he cannot apply will make no man wise | |__________________________________________________________| From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 01:59:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4EF016A4CE; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 01:59:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from king.suceava.rdsnet.ro (king.suceava.rdsnet.ro [62.231.118.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E5743D53; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 01:58:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ady@freebsd.ady.ro) Received: from datacenter.office.suceava.rdsnet.ro (datacenter.office.suceava.rdsnet.ro [217.156.25.194])i0E9wuMS019036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:58:56 +0200 Received: from sungoku.home.ady.ro ([82.208.147.127]) id i0EA8cK6007387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:08:46 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ady@freebsd.ady.ro) Received: from localhost (sunny.home.ady.ro [10.0.0.2]) by sungoku.home.ady.ro (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0EAEBGg036997; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:14:26 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ady@freebsd.ady.ro) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:58:07 +0200 (E. Europe Standard Time) From: Adrian Penisoara To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: X-X-Sender: ady@datacenter.office.suceava.rdsnet.ro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.2(snapshot 20021212) (datacenter.office.suceava.rdsnet.ro) cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: Handling 100.000 packets/sec or more X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:59:13 -0000 Hi, At one site that I administer we have a gateway server which services a large SOHO LAN (more than 300 stations) and I'm facing a serious issue: very often we see strong spoofed floods (variable source IP and port, variable destination IP, destination port 80) which can go as far as 100 000 packets/sec! Of course, the server (FreeBSD 5.2-REL, PIII 733Mhz, 256Mb RAM, 3COM 3C905B-TX aka xl0 with checksum offloading support) has a hard time swallowing this kind of traffic. The main issue are the IRQ interrupts: over 15000 interrupts/sec which consume more than 90% of the CPU time. We got ingress filtering so the packets go no further than the firewall (which, BTW, is not the issue, even disabling it it's the same problem). The system is still responsive but the load average goes as high as 10 and the interface is losing packets (input errors) which dramatically affects legitimate traffic, besides mbuf(9) starvation. We are taking down the culprit clients, but this takes time and we need the other clients not to be affected by it. What can I do to make the system better handle this kind of traffic ? Could device polling(8) or just increasing the kernel frequency clock to 1000Hz or more improve the situation ? What kind of network cards could face a lot better this burden ? Are there any other solutions ? On a side note: what would be a adequate formula to calculate the NMBCLUSTERS and MBUFS we should set on this server (via boot-time kern.ipc.nmbclusters and kern.ipc.nmbufs) ? Thank you. -- Adrian Penisoara Ady (@freebsd.ady.ro) From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 03:24:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D8C16A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 03:24:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail009.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail009.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D79943D41 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 03:24:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tfrank@optushome.com.au) Received: from marvin.home.local (c211-28-241-189.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au [211.28.241.189])i0EBOBi32181; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:24:12 +1100 Received: by marvin.home.local (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 92A7028C; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:24:11 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:24:11 +1100 From: Tony Frank To: "Nicol?s de Bari Embr?z G. R." Message-ID: <20040114112411.GA4492@marvin.home.local> References: <52975.148.243.211.1.1074063556.squirrel@mail.unixmexico.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <52975.148.243.211.1.1074063556.squirrel@mail.unixmexico.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Routing Networks X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:24:16 -0000 Hi there, On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 12:59:16AM -0600, Nicol?s de Bari Embr?z G. R. wrote: > What i want to do is that a computer on LAN A with an IP on the range of > 192.168.10.2-254 can ping, telnet, ssh, etc. to a computer on LAN B > "192.168.1.X". > How can i solve this problem, is this is a route or Nat problem ? Easy option is to ensure that a static route is configured on the Linux server to route 192.168.10.0/24 to 192.168.1.1 (your server IP) > There is one more issue, I can't touch the LINUX SERVER I can just be a > client or join the LAN by configure a nic with a IP on the range of > 192.168.1.0/24. Given this restriction, the best option might be to ensure that anything received on FreeBSD server from 192.168.10.0 subnet is passed through NAT to appear to originate from the FreeBSD server IP (192.168.1.1) This would allow traffic initiated from LAN A to talk to LAN B but typically would not allow LAN B to initiate traffic to LAN A. Unfortunately I have not used ipnat at all so cannot help in that aspect. With ipfw/natd I would have two natd instances and use ipfw rules to send packets to different divert sockets based on the IP address. Regards, Tony From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 04:22:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 937B816A4CE; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:22:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from exchange.wan.no (exchange.wan.no [80.86.128.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1818F43D58; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:22:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sten.daniel.sorsdal@wan.no) Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:22:25 +0100 Message-ID: <0AF1BBDF1218F14E9B4CCE414744E70F5D9760@exchange.wanglobal.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Handling 100.000 packets/sec or more Thread-Index: AcPahSBHNMo/2HaLTPyBNdTZObH/kgAErKUg From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sten_Daniel_S=F8rsdal?= To: "Adrian Penisoara" , cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Handling 100.000 packets/sec or more X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:22:28 -0000 >=20 > What can I do to make the system better handle this kind of=20 > traffic ? > Could device polling(8) or just increasing the kernel=20 > frequency clock to 1000Hz or more improve the situation ? > What kind of network cards could face a lot better this=20 > burden ? Are there any other solutions ? >=20 device polling(8) really does help _alot_ for packet floods/storms. for device polling to work properly (imho) you would need to set HZ to = 1000. I dont recommend any higher HZ on a PIII. I recommend Intel cards (fxp or em) because they chew through packets at = the highest rate (in our tests) given good supporting hardware and tuned = software. Both support device polling. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 04:49:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8BA16A4CF; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from starburst.demon.co.uk (adsl-02-209.abel.net.uk [193.109.51.209]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1AE43D46; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:49:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard@starburst.demon.co.uk) Received: (from richard@localhost) by starburst.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA00294; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:50:35 GMT From: Richard Wendland Message-Id: <200401141250.MAA00294@starburst.demon.co.uk> To: sten.daniel.sorsdal@wan.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sten_Daniel_S=F8rsdal?=) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:50:34 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <0AF1BBDF1218F14E9B4CCE414744E70F5D9760@exchange.wanglobal.net> from "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sten_Daniel_S=F8rsdal?=" at Jan 14, 2004 01:22:25 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org cc: Adrian Penisoara Subject: Re: Handling 100.000 packets/sec or more X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: richard@wendland.org.uk List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:49:48 -0000 > device polling(8) really does help _alot_ for packet floods/storms. > for device polling to work properly (imho) you would need to set HZ to 1000. > I dont recommend any higher HZ on a PIII. Incidentally, setting HZ > 1000 would cause FreeBSD TCP to not comply with RFC1323, as it would make the TCP timestamp option clock tick faster than 1ms. RFC1323 4.2.2 specifies the clock rate to be in the range 1 ms to 1 sec per tick. Really the TCP timestamp option clock should be divorced from HZ before too long, as a time will come when people will want HZ > 1000. Actually a bit faster tick-rate is unlikely to run into much trouble in practice, but it will cause the PAWS algorithm to stop a long running TCP connection, see 4.2.3 of RFC1323. Richard -- Richard Wendland richard@wendland.org.uk From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 13:06:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03ABF16A4CE; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:06:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6382743D60; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:06:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cristjc@comcast.net) Received: from blossom.cjclark.org (c-24-6-186-224.client.comcast.net[24.6.186.224]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <2004011421060501500blcice>; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:06:05 +0000 Received: from blossom.cjclark.org (localhost. [127.0.0.1]) by blossom.cjclark.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0EL6443049194; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:06:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cristjc@comcast.net) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by blossom.cjclark.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id i0EL63TH049193; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:06:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cristjc@comcast.net) X-Authentication-Warning: blossom.cjclark.org: cjc set sender to cristjc@comcast.net using -f Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:06:03 -0800 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: Isaac Gelado Message-ID: <20040114210603.GA49090@blossom.cjclark.org> References: <52975.148.243.211.1.1074063556.squirrel@mail.unixmexico.com> <4004F329.1000902@tid.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4004F329.1000902@tid.es> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: nbari@unixmexico.com Subject: Re: Routing Networks X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Crist J. Clark" List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:06:21 -0000 On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 08:43:37AM +0100, Isaac Gelado wrote: > Nicol?s de Bari Embr?z G. R. escribi?: > >Hi all, I need some help routing or making Nat on a LAN. > > > >I have something like this: > > > > > > I N T E R N E T > > ----------------- > > ^ ^ > > | | > >fxp0 public IP public IP > > | | > > FreeBSD server LINUX server > > | | > >dc0 192.168.10.1 | > >dc1 192.168.1.1 ^ 192.168.1.3 > > ^ | ^ > > | | | > > | | | > > ---------------- > > | Switch/Hub | > > ---------------- > > | | > > ------------------ ----------------- > > | LAN A | | LAN B | > > | 192.168.10.2-254 | | 192.168.1.4-100 | > > ------------------ ----------------- > > > > > >What i want to do is that a computer on LAN A with an IP on the range of > >192.168.10.2-254 can ping, telnet, ssh, etc. to a computer on LAN B > >"192.168.1.X". > > > >How can i solve this problem, is this is a route or Nat problem ? > > I think it is a route problem. You must add next static route: > > - On the linux machine route all incoming packets with dest addr > 192.168.10.x to 192.168.1.1 > > It shouldn't be necesary a static route on the freebsd machine since it > has a network device with an addr of LAN B. This is correct. Things can get from LAN A to LAN B just fine in this picture. The problem is that machines on LAN B won't be able to get back to LAN A (i.e. your pings go from A to B, but the pongs never get back from B to A). You'll have to touch that Linux box or touch the routes on everything on LAN B to route 192.168.10.0/24 through 192.168.1.1. > Of course you must run a > route daemon in both machines (I supouse it's running now since they are > working as gateways) and the previous route must be added to the route > daemon running on the linux machine. OK now here is the problem. Why does he need a routing daemon? I saw no mention of RIP, OSPF, or any other dynamic routing protocol. Looks like it's all static routes to me. -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu | cjclark@jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 13:25:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E91F16A4CE; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:25:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from sizone.org (mortar.sizone.org [65.126.154.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8BE43D66; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:25:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: by sizone.org (Postfix, from userid 66) id DB665307D5; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:56:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by canoe.dclg.ca (Postfix, from userid 101) id B74911D20A1; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:56:39 -0500 (EST) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16389.44295.593077.330791@canoe.dclg.ca> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:56:39 -0500 To: Adrian Penisoara In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 14) "Reasonable Discussion" XEmacs Lucid cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: Handling 100.000 packets/sec or more X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:25:30 -0000 >>>>> "Adrian" == Adrian Penisoara writes: Adrian> Hi, At one site that I administer we have a gateway server Adrian> which services a large SOHO LAN (more than 300 stations) and Adrian> I'm facing a serious issue: very often we see strong spoofed Adrian> floods (variable source IP and port, variable destination IP, Adrian> destination port 80) which can go as far as 100 000 Adrian> packets/sec! Adrian> Of course, the server (FreeBSD 5.2-REL, PIII 733Mhz, 256Mb Adrian> RAM, 3COM 3C905B-TX aka xl0 with checksum offloading support) Adrian> has a hard time swallowing this kind of traffic. The main Adrian> issue are the IRQ interrupts: over 15000 interrupts/sec which Adrian> consume more than 90% of the CPU time. We got ingress Adrian> filtering so the packets go no further than the firewall Adrian> (which, BTW, is not the issue, even disabling it it's the same Adrian> problem). The system is still responsive but the load average Adrian> goes as high as 10 and the interface is losing packets (input Adrian> errors) which dramatically affects legitimate traffic, besides Adrian> mbuf(9) starvation. We are taking down the culprit clients, Adrian> but this takes time and we need the other clients not to be Adrian> affected by it. Adrian> What can I do to make the system better handle this kind of Adrian> traffic ? Could device polling(8) or just increasing the Adrian> kernel frequency clock to 1000Hz or more improve the situation Adrian> ? What kind of network cards could face a lot better this Adrian> burden ? Are there any other solutions ? Adrian> On a side note: what would be a adequate formula to Adrian> calculate the NMBCLUSTERS and MBUFS we should set on this Adrian> server (via boot-time kern.ipc.nmbclusters and Adrian> kern.ipc.nmbufs) ? In our experience, switch to fxp ethernet cards, test several motherboards and enable polling. fxp and em cards appear to have the best performance ... outrunning other cards by a fair margin. Different motherboards have several orders of magnitude different performance with the same processor. Polling (as others have mentioned) roughly doubles the throughput of a server and eliminates live lock. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if they | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 13:55:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E81C916A4D0 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:55:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxout-03.mxes.net (mxout-03.mxes.net [65.77.21.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A5943D58 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:55:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jc@irbs.com) Received: from exuma.irbs.com (exuma.irbs.com [216.86.160.252]) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22583264C37 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:55:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by exuma.irbs.com (Postfix, from userid 2500) id A742817409; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:55:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:55:04 -0500 From: John Capo To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040114215504.GA80323@exuma.irbs.com> References: <12b701c3d934$51c41e80$b2db7bd1@icarz.com> <9617A014-453D-11D8-BC05-000A959A16DC@tinker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9617A014-453D-11D8-BC05-000A959A16DC@tinker.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by Sophos Sweep Subject: Re: Server Hardware. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jc@irbs.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:55:07 -0000 Quoting Kim (kim@tinker.com): > I have servers with Adaptec 2100s and 3210s SCSI RAID controllers. I > have no problems with the controllers. I first had FreeBSD 4.5 running > on these machines. When I upgraded them to 4.8 last summer, I could no > longer run raidutil to configure and monitor the controllers and I have > to reboot the servers and use the BIOS utility to do configuration. > That's nice to know. Raidutil does work with the 3200S and the 2400A card for IDE drives on 4.8. John Capo From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 14:04:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5AB816A4CE; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:04:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from NetworkPhysics.COM (fw.networkphysics.com [205.158.104.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2542843D46; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:04:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pavel@NetworkPhysics.COM) Received: from NetworkPhysics.COM (gt500.fractal.networkphysics.com [10.10.0.192]) by NetworkPhysics.COM (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0EM4JQX087048; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:04:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pavel@NetworkPhysics.COM) Message-Id: <200401142204.i0EM4JQX087048@NetworkPhysics.COM> To: richard@wendland.org.uk In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:50:34 GMT." <200401141250.MAA00294@starburst.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: EMH/1.10.0 SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.3 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Unebigory=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:04:19 -0800 From: Tom Pavel cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org cc: Adrian Penisoara cc: sten.daniel.sorsdal@wan.no Subject: Re: Handling 100.000 packets/sec or more X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: pavel@alum.mit.edu List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:04:42 -0000 >>>>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Richard Wendland wri tes: > > device polling(8) really does help _alot_ for packet floods/storms. > > for device polling to work properly (imho) you would need to set HZ > > to 1000. > > I dont recommend any higher HZ on a PIII. > > Incidentally, setting HZ > 1000 would cause FreeBSD TCP to not comply > with RFC1323, as it would make the TCP timestamp option clock tick faster > than 1ms. RFC1323 4.2.2 specifies the clock rate to be in the range > 1 ms to 1 sec per tick. > > Really the TCP timestamp option clock should be divorced from HZ before > too long, as a time will come when people will want HZ > 1000. > > Actually a bit faster tick-rate is unlikely to run into much trouble in > practice, but it will cause the PAWS algorithm to stop a long running > TCP connection, see 4.2.3 of RFC1323. > > Richard The PAWS thing is real. Idle SSH or telnet connections can easily get hosed by wraparound if you crank up HZ too much. We encountered this at Network Physics. I had been meaning to submit a PR about this (and probably several others as well) for quite a while now, but I always got distracted by some other urgent matter... However, given the prod, I was able to dig up the fix we used for this particular problem. Pretty sure these diffs will not apply cleanly, even to -stable, but no doubt the gist of the idea should be clear enough. Hopefully, this can save someone some work on getting a fix into the tree. Tom Pavel Network Physics pavel@networkphysics.com / pavel@alum.mit.edu Index: tcp_input.c =================================================================== RCS file: /u1/Repo/FreeBSD/sys/netinet/tcp_input.c,v retrieving revision 1.41 retrieving revision 1.42 diff -u -r1.41 -r1.42 --- tcp_input.c 2 Apr 2002 23:27:33 -0000 1.41 +++ tcp_input.c 3 Apr 2002 22:24:24 -0000 1.42 @@ -1185,7 +1185,7 @@ */ if ((to.to_flag & TOF_TS) != 0 && SEQ_LEQ(th->th_seq, tp->last_ack_sent)) { - tp->ts_recent_age = ticks; + GETCURTS(tp->ts_recent_age); tp->ts_recent = to.to_tsval; } @@ -1228,9 +1228,12 @@ && ((!(sack_check(tp))) || to.to_tsecr) #endif - ) - tcp_xmit_timer(tp, ticks - to.to_tsecr + 1); - else { + ) { + u_long cur_ts, rtt_ticks; + GETCURTS(cur_ts); + rtt_ticks = TSTMPTOTICK (cur_ts - to.to_tsecr); + tcp_xmit_timer(tp, rtt_ticks + 1); + } else { #ifdef LTSTMP tcp_xmit_timer(tp, tp->t_rtttime); #else @@ -1941,9 +1944,11 @@ */ if ((to.to_flag & TOF_TS) != 0 && tp->ts_recent && TSTMP_LT(to.to_tsval, tp->ts_recent)) { + u_long cur_ts; /* Check to see if ts_recent is over 24 days old. */ - if ((int)(ticks - tp->ts_recent_age) > TCP_PAWS_IDLE) { + GETCURTS(cur_ts); + if ((int)(cur_ts - tp->ts_recent_age) > TCP_PAWS_IDLE) { /* * Invalidate ts_recent. If this segment updates * ts_recent, the age will be reset later and ts_recent @@ -2120,7 +2125,7 @@ */ if ((to.to_flag & TOF_TS) != 0 && SEQ_LEQ(th->th_seq, tp->last_ack_sent)) { - tp->ts_recent_age = ticks; + GETCURTS(tp->ts_recent_age); tp->ts_recent = to.to_tsval; } @@ -2754,9 +2759,12 @@ /* bug fix from Mark Allman */ && ((!sack_check(tp)) || to.to_tsecr) #endif - ) - tcp_xmit_timer(tp, ticks - to.to_tsecr + 1); - else { + ) { + u_long cur_ts, rtt_ticks; + GETCURTS(cur_ts); + rtt_ticks = TSTMPTOTICK (cur_ts - to.to_tsecr); + tcp_xmit_timer(tp, rtt_ticks + 1); + } else { #ifdef LTSTMP /* use local timestamp */ tcp_xmit_timer(tp, tp->t_rtttime); @@ -3293,7 +3301,7 @@ if (th->th_flags & TH_SYN) { tp->t_flags |= TF_RCVD_TSTMP; tp->ts_recent = to->to_tsval; - tp->ts_recent_age = ticks; + GETCURTS(tp->ts_recent_age); } break; Index: tcp_output.c =================================================================== RCS file: /u1/Repo/FreeBSD/sys/netinet/tcp_output.c,v retrieving revision 1.32 retrieving revision 1.33 diff -u -r1.32 -r1.33 --- tcp_output.c 3 Apr 2002 01:55:20 -0000 1.32 +++ tcp_output.c 3 Apr 2002 22:24:24 -0000 1.33 @@ -616,7 +616,8 @@ /* Form timestamp option as shown in appendix A of RFC 1323. */ *lp++ = htonl(TCPOPT_TSTAMP_HDR); - *lp++ = htonl(ticks); + GETCURTS(*lp); + *lp++ = htonl(*lp); *lp = htonl(tp->ts_recent); optlen += TCPOLEN_TSTAMP_APPA; } Index: tcp_seq.h =================================================================== RCS file: /u1/Repo/FreeBSD/sys/netinet/tcp_seq.h,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3 --- tcp_seq.h 16 Jul 2001 18:18:44 -0000 1.2 +++ tcp_seq.h 3 Apr 2002 22:24:24 -0000 1.3 @@ -88,8 +88,19 @@ (tp)->iss #endif -#define TCP_PAWS_IDLE (24 * 24 * 60 * 60 * hz) - /* timestamp wrap-around time */ +/* clock macros for RFC1323 timestamps */ +#define TSTMP_UNITS (10) /* in ms (RFC1323 says 1-1000 ms) */ +#define GETCURTS(ts) \ + do { \ + struct timeval tv; \ + getmicrouptime(&tv); \ + (ts) = (u_long)tv.tv_sec * 1000 + tv.tv_usec / 1000; \ + (ts) /= TSTMP_UNITS; \ + } while (0) +#define TSTMPTOTICK(ts) (((int64_t)(ts))*hz*TSTMP_UNITS/1000) + +#define TCP_PAWS_IDLE (24 * 24 * 60 * 60 * 1000/TSTMP_UNITS) + /* timestamp wrap-around time (24 days in 10ms units) */ #ifdef _KERNEL extern tcp_cc tcp_ccgen; /* global connection count */ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 14:06:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A6016A4CE; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:06:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from correo.tid.es (tidos.tid.es [193.145.240.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7729E43D45; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:06:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from igf@tid.es) Received: from conversion-daemon.tid.hi.inet by tid.hi.inet (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) id <0HRI004012G1RD@tid.hi.inet>; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:06:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from tid.es (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tid.hi.inet (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HRI00HE42QEVK@tid.hi.inet>; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:06:14 +0100 (MET) Received: from [213.9.244.25] by tid.hi.inet (mshttpd); Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:06:14 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:06:14 +0100 From: ISAAC GELADO FERNANDEZ To: "Crist J. Clark" Message-id: <3354de336433.3364333354de@tid.es> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-language: es Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: es Priority: normal cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: nbari@unixmexico.com Subject: Re: Routing Networks X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:06:41 -0000 ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Crist J. Clark" Fecha: Mi=E9rcoles, Enero 14, 2004 10:06 pm Asunto: Re: Routing Networks > On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 08:43:37AM +0100, Isaac Gelado wrote: > > Nicol?s de Bari Embr?z G. R. escribi?: > > >Hi all, I need some help routing or making Nat on a LAN. > > > > > >I have something like this: > > > > > > > > > I N T E R N E T > > > ----------------- > > > ^ ^ > > > | | > > >fxp0 public IP public IP > > > | | > > > FreeBSD server LINUX server > > > | | > > >dc0 192.168.10.1 | > > >dc1 192.168.1.1 ^ 192.168.1.3 > > > ^ | ^ > > > | | | > > > | | | > > > ---------------- > > > | Switch/Hub | > > > ---------------- > > > | | > > > ------------------ ----------------- > > > | LAN A | | LAN B | > > > | 192.168.10.2-254 | | 192.168.1.4-100 | > > > ------------------ ----------------- > > > > > > > > >What i want to do is that a computer on LAN A with an IP on the=20 > range of=20 > > >192.168.10.2-254 can ping, telnet, ssh, etc. to a computer on=20 > LAN B > > >"192.168.1.X". > > > > > >How can i solve this problem, is this is a route or Nat problem ? > >=20 > > I think it is a route problem. You must add next static route: > >=20 > > - On the linux machine route all incoming packets with dest=20 > addr=20 > > 192.168.10.x to 192.168.1.1 > >=20 > > It shouldn't be necesary a static route on the freebsd machine=20 > since it=20 > > has a network device with an addr of LAN B. >=20 > This is correct. Things can get from LAN A to LAN B just fine in this > picture. The problem is that machines on LAN B won't be able to get > back to LAN A (i.e. your pings go from A to B, but the pongs never get > back from B to A). You'll have to touch that Linux box or touch the > routes on everything on LAN B to route 192.168.10.0/24 through > 192.168.1.1. >=20 > > Of course you must run a=20 > > route daemon in both machines (I supouse it's running now since=20 > they are=20 > > working as gateways) and the previous route must be added to the=20 > route=20 > > daemon running on the linux machine. >=20 > OK now here is the problem. Why does he need a routing daemon? I saw > no mention of RIP, OSPF, or any other dynamic routing protocol. Looks > like it's all static routes to me. Sorry, I was mistaken. You only need that FreeBSD machines redirects packets from one network interface to the other as Crist says. Regards > --=20 > Crist J. Clark | =20 cjclark@alum.mit.edu > | =20 cjclark@jhu.edu > http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | =20 cjc@freebsd.org > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 14:16:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC58A16A4CE; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:16:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.nersc.gov (mx1.nersc.gov [128.55.6.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CFD043D2F; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:15:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dart@nersc.gov) Received: by mx1.nersc.gov (Postfix, from userid 4002) id 9C06E1F39B; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:15:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.nersc.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.nersc.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21611F39E; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:15:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from gemini.nersc.gov (gemini.nersc.gov [128.55.16.111]) by mx1.nersc.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBD11F39B; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:15:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from gemini.nersc.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gemini.nersc.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5252F8EB; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:15:48 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/04/2003 with nmh-1.0.4 To: David Gilbert In-Reply-To: Message from David Gilbert <16389.44295.593077.330791@canoe.dclg.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_585146572P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:15:48 -0800 From: Eli Dart Message-Id: <20040114221548.A5252F8EB@gemini.nersc.gov> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on mx1.nersc.gov X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.60 cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Handling 100.000 packets/sec or more X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:16:10 -0000 --==_Exmh_585146572P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In reply to David Gilbert : > In our experience, switch to fxp ethernet cards, test several > motherboards and enable polling. > > fxp and em cards appear to have the best performance ... outrunning > other cards by a fair margin. Hmmm....we've been using SysKonnect (older ones -- SK-9843 chipset) and have been pretty happy. These tend to have a lot more packet memory than most other cards (this means that interrupt coalescence can buy you more). Of course, these don't currently support polling..... :( > > Different motherboards have several orders of magnitude different > performance with the same processor. Don't suppose you'd be willing to post your motherboard test results? We have found that SuperMicro motherboards (ServerWorks chipsets) are pretty good, but we don't have the resources to do exhaustive testing of all motherboards out there. --eli > > Polling (as others have mentioned) roughly doubles the throughput of a > server and eliminates live lock. > > Dave. > > -- > ============================================================================ > |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can only be | > |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if they | > |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | > =========================================================GLO================ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-net@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-net > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-net-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --==_Exmh_585146572P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 iD8DBQFABb+ULTFEeF+CsrMRAisAAKCrgAAOOF9j4l6XzDTLbPv7ScVSEQCdFHp2 yzLq9TZOFBe/i1+Rs03fFOc= =1n7K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_585146572P-- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 15:15:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB4B16A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:15:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.unixmexico.net (ns1.unixmexico.net [69.10.138.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9462943D5F for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:14:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nbari@unixmexico.com) Received: (qmail 71559 invoked by uid 85); 14 Jan 2004 23:19:18 -0000 Received: from nbari@unixmexico.com by ns1.unixmexico.net by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (hbedv: 6.22.0.1/6.22.0.6. 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Processed in 0.359774 secs); 14 Jan 2004 23:19:18 -0000 Received: from ns1.unixmexico.net (HELO mail.unixmexico.com) ([69.10.138.161]) (envelope-sender ) by ns1.unixmexico.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Jan 2004 23:19:18 -0000 Received: from 200.23.123.104 (SquirrelMail authenticated user nbari@unixmexico.com) by mail.unixmexico.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:19:18 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1784.200.23.123.104.1074122358.squirrel@mail.unixmexico.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:19:18 -0600 (CST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Nicol=E1s_de_Bari_Embr=EDz_G._R.?= To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Subject: Solution to Routing Networks X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:15:02 -0000 Hi all thanks for all your answers. The solution that i found was to add to my ipnat.rules this lines: map dc1 192.168.10.0/24 -> 0/32 portmap tcp/udp auto map dc1 192.168.10.0/24 -> 0/32 and to my rc.conf this : static_routes="linux" route_linux="192.168.0.0/16 192.168.1.3" regards. Hi all, I need some help routing or making Nat on a LAN. I have something like this: I N T E R N E T ----------------- ^ ^ | | fxp0 public IP public IP | | FreeBSD server LINUX server | | dc0 192.168.10.1 | dc1 192.168.1.1 ^ 192.168.1.3 ^ | ^ | | | | | | ---------------- | Switch/Hub | ---------------- | | ------------------ ----------------- | LAN A | | LAN B | | 192.168.10.2-254 | | 192.168.1.4-100 | ------------------ ----------------- I have running a FreeBSD server as a gateway and DHCP, the server share the Internet to all the computers on LAN A (192.168.10.0/24). The server have 3 network cards: fxp0 is public IP. dc0 is the gateway for the LAN A "192.168.10.1". dc1 has IP 192.168.1.1 ( need help with this ). Right now i am just using fxp0 and dc0 so any computer on the LAN A "192.168.10.2-254" can have Internet, my ipnat.rules file looks like this: -- map fxp0 192.168.10.1/24 -> 0/32 portmap tcp/udp auto map fxp0 192.168.10.1/24 -> 0/32 -- until that point everything just work OK. There is another network, I will call it LAN B, this LAN make the same thing that i am doing with the FreeBSD Server, but instead it uses LINUX, the m achine have 2 network cars. eth0 has a public IP. eth1 is the gateway for the LAN B "192.168.1.3" Both networks are connected to the same switch/hub, but now i need that the computers of LAN A can see "ping" computers on LAN B. If I configure the third nick "dc1" on the FreeBSD server to have an IP on the range of LAN B for example with ip 192.168.1.1, then I can see all the computers from both LAN's, I can ping, telnet, ssh etc. to both 192.168.10.X and 192.168.1.X. networks "standing on the FreeBSD server." What i want to do is that a computer on LAN A with an IP on the range of 192.168.10.2-254 can ping, telnet, ssh, etc. to a computer on LAN B "192.168.1.X". How can i solve this problem, is this is a route or Nat problem ? There is one more issue, I can't touch the LINUX SERVER I can just be a client or join the LAN by configure a nic with a IP on the range of 192.168.1.0/24. I have been trying to fix this with static routes but i am not having luck. Any help will be apreciated. regards. -- nbari@unixmexico.com key ID 1EF56FDC -- nbari@unixmexico.com key ID 1EF56FDC -- nbari@unixmexico.com key ID 1EF56FDC From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 16:11:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F88D16A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:11:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ints.mail.pike.ru (ints.mail.pike.ru [195.9.45.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D0F643D5F for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:11:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from babolo@cicuta.babolo.ru) Received: (qmail 34927 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 00:27:29 -0000 Received: from babolo.ru (HELO cicuta.babolo.ru) (194.58.226.160) by ints.mail.pike.ru with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 00:27:29 -0000 Received: (nullmailer pid 1076 invoked by uid 136); Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:11:30 -0000 X-ELM-OSV: (Our standard violations) hdr-charset=KOI8-R; no-hdr-encoding=1 In-Reply-To: To: Adrian Penisoara Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:11:30 +0300 (MSK) From: "."@babolo.ru X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL99b (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <1074125490.337062.1075.nullmailer@cicuta.babolo.ru> cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Handling 100.000 packets/sec or more X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:11:30 -0000 I administer some home networks with 200..500 users on port and 5..12 ports on each router. The trouble is that router can't do somethig useful when link saturated. The only effective way found is 2..3 mb/s restriction _from_ every user on each switch port PS typical router has Tyan 2466N-4M mobo with one Athlon XP 2400+ 512M (a lot of pipes) and FreeBSD 4 STABLE. DragonFlyBSD looks good but I haven't any in production yet. FreeBSD 5 is not production quality (last test about one mounts ago). > At one site that I administer we have a gateway server which services > a large SOHO LAN (more than 300 stations) and I'm facing a serious > issue: very often we see strong spoofed floods (variable source IP and > port, variable destination IP, destination port 80) which can go as far > as 100 000 packets/sec! > > Of course, the server (FreeBSD 5.2-REL, PIII 733Mhz, 256Mb RAM, 3COM > 3C905B-TX aka xl0 with checksum offloading support) has a hard time > swallowing this kind of traffic. The main issue are the IRQ interrupts: > over 15000 interrupts/sec which consume more than 90% of the CPU time. > We got ingress filtering so the packets go no further than the firewall > (which, BTW, is not the issue, even disabling it it's the same problem). > The system is still responsive but the load average goes as high as 10 > and the interface is losing packets (input errors) which dramatically > affects legitimate traffic, besides mbuf(9) starvation. We are taking > down the culprit clients, but this takes time and we need the other > clients not to be affected by it. > > What can I do to make the system better handle this kind of traffic ? > Could device polling(8) or just increasing the kernel frequency clock to > 1000Hz or more improve the situation ? > What kind of network cards could face a lot better this burden ? Are > there any other solutions ? > > On a side note: what would be a adequate formula to calculate the > NMBCLUSTERS and MBUFS we should set on this server (via boot-time > kern.ipc.nmbclusters and kern.ipc.nmbufs) ? > > -- > Adrian Penisoara > Ady (@freebsd.ady.ro) From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 15 07:57:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1153A16A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:57:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.westbend.net (mail.westbend.net [65.114.87.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8BD43D1F for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:57:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hetzelsw@westbend.net) Received: from SCOT (vggkvx@scott.hnet.net [206.190.15.206]) by mail.westbend.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i0FFvBvd024957 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:57:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from hetzelsw@westbend.net) Message-ID: <000201c3db80$3ad4b060$ce0fbece@westbend.net> From: "Scot W. Hetzel" To: "FreeBSD ISP Mailing List" References: <6.0.0.22.0.20040110164557.01ba1670@mail.monkey-online.net> <1073760522.7833.35.camel@work.gusalmighty.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:34:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=8.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OE version=2.43 Subject: Re: Installing frontpage doesn't create shtml.exe X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:57:18 -0000 From: "Justin Hopper" > Check your error_log (both the vhost log and main Apache log, if you > have vhosts configured) for the FrontPage-specific error. I remember > there was some specific problem related to shtml.exe that often came up, > but I can't remember what it was. If you can find an error log entry, > that may refresh my memory on the solution. > To refresh your memory, the problem with shtml.exe (unix only) was that sometimes a request would hit the server for shtml.dll (windows only). Code was added to mod_frontpage to intercept requests for shtml.dll and redirect it to shtml.exe. Scot From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 15 10:26:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C5E916A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:26:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.wlink.com.np (smtp1.wlink.com.np [202.79.32.76]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C11743D45 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:25:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bikrant_ml@wlink.com.np) Received: (qmail 46631 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 18:25:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO qmail-scanner.wlink.com.np) (202.79.32.74) by 0 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 18:25:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 67016 invoked by uid 1008); 15 Jan 2004 18:25:46 -0000 Received: from bikrant_ml@wlink.com.np by qmail-scanner.wlink.com.np by uid 1002 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (clamscan: 0.60. Clear:RC:1(202.79.32.78):. 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Processed in 0.020257 secs) Received: from smtp3.wlink.com.np (202.79.32.78) by qmail-scanner.wlink.com.np with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 18:25:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 31373 invoked by uid 514); 15 Jan 2004 18:25:46 -0000 Received: from [202.79.55.254] (HELO home.bikrant.org.np) by smtp3.wlink.com.np (qmail-smtpd) with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 18:25:46 -0000 (Fri, 16 Jan 2004 00:10:46 +0545) From: Bikrant Neupane To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 00:10:35 +0545 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200401160010.35431.bikrant_ml@wlink.com.np> X-Spam-Check-By: smtp3.wlink.com.np Spam: No ; 0.8 / 5.0 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: pppoed error message? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:26:00 -0000 Hi, I'm trying pppoed in freebsd-4.9. It is working fine. I can connect from Win98, Win2k and winxp using Raspppoe. However I'm getting lots of message in my pppoed.log. It seems as if pppoed is responding to some request. But I'm not able to find out what it is. I get these message in ever 1-2 seconds !! Also, i've attached the output of tcpdum that i ran on the interface connected to the wireless APs. I'm starting pppoed from command line with this systex: /usr/libexec/pppoed -d -P /var/run/pppoed.pid -a WiZoooM -l default xl1 ps ax shows more than 10 instances of running pppoed service. /var/log/pppoed.log ffffffffffff0030e1001b1e886311090000000401010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Jan 15 23:49:52 pppoe pppoed[1127]: Listening Jan 15 23:49:52 pppoe pppoed[53624]: Creating a new socket node Jan 15 23:49:52 pppoe pppoed[53624]: Sending CONNECT from .:exec-53624 -> xl1:orphans.exec-53624 Jan 15 23:49:52 pppoe pppoed[53624]: Sending NGM_SOCK_CMD_NOLINGER to socket Jan 15 23:49:52 pppoe pppoed[53624]: Offering to .:exec-53624 as access concentrator WiZoooM Jan 15 23:49:52 pppoe pppoed[53624]: adding to .:exec-53624 as offered service WiZoooM Jan 15 23:49:52 pppoe pppoed[53624]: Sending original request to .:exec-53624 (60 bytes) Jan 15 23:49:52 pppoe pppoed[53624]: Waiting for a SUCCESS reply .:exec-53624 Jan 15 23:49:53 pppoe pppoed[53593]: .:exec-53593: Client timed out Jan 15 23:49:53 pppoe pppoed[1127]: Got 60 bytes of data: ffffffffffff0030e1001b1e886311090000000401010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Is it a normal message or due to misconfiguration or some bug? I'm not able to find why i'm getting these messages. when I did tcpdump to the interface connected to my wireless APs i get lots of these messages 23:53:08.788401 PPPoE PADI 23:53:08.794048 PPPoE PADO [AC-Name "WiZoooM"] [Service-Name] [AC-Cookie UTF8] 23:53:09.093354 2:1:0:0:0:0 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 886f 66: c001 dec0 0402 0000 0100 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0104 0000 0000 0000 7700 6500 6200 7300 6500 7200 7600 6500 7200 0000 0000 0000 23:53:09.585129 802.1d config 8000.00:04:4d:bf:91:01.8017 root 8000.00:04:4d:bf:91:01 pathcost 0 age 0 max 20 hello 2 fdelay 15 23:53:09.788480 PPPoE PADI 23:53:09.794092 PPPoE PADO [AC-Name "WiZoooM"] [Service-Name] [AC-Cookie UTF8] 23:53:10.788587 PPPoE PADI 23:53:10.794194 PPPoE PADO [AC-Name "WiZoooM"] [Service-Name] [AC-Cookie UTF8] 23:53:11.590123 802.1d config 8000.00:04:4d:bf:91:01.8017 root 8000.00:04:4d:bf:91:01 pathcost 0 age 0 max 20 hello 2 fdelay 15 I've these rules in ipfw 00050 9576 1200086 divert 8668 ip from any to any via xl1 00100 5840 501000 allow ip from any to any via lo0 00200 0 0 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8 00300 0 0 deny ip from 127.0.0.0/8 to any Thank you very much for your kind support. with regards, Bikrant Neupane From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 15 17:59:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6137D16A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:59:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsdhosting.net (bsdhosting.net [65.39.221.113]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5512943D5D for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:59:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhopper@bsdhosting.net) Received: (qmail 70147 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 01:57:43 -0000 Received: from bsdhosting.net (HELO work.gusalmighty.com) (jhopper@bsdhosting.net@65.39.221.113) by bsdhosting.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 01:57:43 -0000 From: Justin Hopper To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <000201c3db80$3ad4b060$ce0fbece@westbend.net> References: <6.0.0.22.0.20040110164557.01ba1670@mail.monkey-online.net> <1073760522.7833.35.camel@work.gusalmighty.com> <000201c3db80$3ad4b060$ce0fbece@westbend.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1074218086.30769.25.camel@work.gusalmighty.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:54:46 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Installing frontpage doesn't create shtml.exe X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 01:59:01 -0000 On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 16:34, Scot W. Hetzel wrote: > From: "Justin Hopper" > > Check your error_log (both the vhost log and main Apache log, if you > > have vhosts configured) for the FrontPage-specific error. I remember > > there was some specific problem related to shtml.exe that often came up, > > but I can't remember what it was. If you can find an error log entry, > > that may refresh my memory on the solution. > > > To refresh your memory, the problem with shtml.exe (unix only) was that > sometimes a request would hit the server for shtml.dll (windows only). Code > was added to mod_frontpage to intercept requests for shtml.dll and redirect > it to shtml.exe. Good to know that was fixed, thanks for the info. -- Justin Hopper UNIX Systems Engineer BSDHosting.net Hosting Division of Digital Oasys Inc. http://www.bsdhosting.net From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 16 14:30:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F7F16A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:30:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from taka.swcp.com (taka.swcp.com [198.59.115.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747CB43D46 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:30:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from deichert@wrench.com) Received: from shimi.swcp.com (shimi.swcp.com [198.59.115.14]) by taka.swcp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0GMTv8k096385 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:29:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (deichert@localhost) by shimi.swcp.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA25827 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:29:57 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: shimi.swcp.com: deichert owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:29:57 -0700 (MST) From: Diana Eichert X-Sender: deichert@shimi.swcp.com To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on kaimen.swcp.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.61 X-Spam-Level: Subject: anyone ever used a dual motherboard rackmount case? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:30:02 -0000 I'm considering using some micro-atx motherboards in a rackmount case that supports 2 motherboards. Anyone ever bought one of these before and if so where did you get them from. thanks From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 16 21:41:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8645516A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:41:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from hydrogen.imeme.net (hydrogen.customer.frii.com [216.17.138.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41EE43D5C for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:41:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lozinski@freerecruiting.com) Received: from (Bryce) [66.1.138.84] by hydrogen.imeme.net with asmtp (Exim 4.24 #4 (Debian)) id 1AhjDW-000L0P-1B; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:41:54 -0700 From: Christopher Lozinski To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: BPG Message-Id: <1074318064.1001.2554.camel@Bryce> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:41:05 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Fair Share Scheduling Needed. I want 1/3 of a server X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: lozinski@freerecruiting.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 05:41:19 -0000 My ISP runs 40-50 jails per computer, and I fear in the near future that I may need more of the computer than 1/50th. They then charge $400 for an entire dedicated server. I would like something in between. Of course the issue is the scheduler. My understanding is that the freebsd scheduler is designed to run all the processes fairly, but if one user generates a large number of processes, they get more than their fair share of the cpu. I think it would be very interesting if one could buy a fraction of the CPU. My processes then get, say 1/4 of the CPU time minimum, perhaps more if no one else is using them. Of course this requires a different scheduler. Perhaps it exists out there. Some of the ISP's, like Verio, and others claim to offer fair share freebsd servers. Does anyone know how they do it. Do they really do it as they claim to do? Your help would be much appreciated. Regards Christopher Lozinski lozinski@freerecruiting.com 510 795 6086 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 17 02:25:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC60016A4CE for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 02:25:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.park7.number.ru (host212-5-99-220.izmaylovo.ru [212.5.99.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D498343D5A for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 02:25:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blacksir@number.ru) Received: from blacksir.local ([192.168.2.166] helo=blacksir) by mail.park7.number.ru with smtp (Exim 4.30 #0 (Slackware)) id 1AhneG-000Eq8-QG for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:25:48 +0300 From: =?koi8-r?B?98HTxc7JziDhzMXL08HOxNIgYWthIEJsYWNrU2ly?= To: Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:24:13 +0300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal Subject: FreeBSD deny 'unusual' IP-addresses? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 10:25:50 -0000 I work in a small ISP company. We are using FreeBSD machines for routing and counting traffic of our clients. I faced with subject 'feature' twise: 1) FreeBSD Server with a real ip in external interface and a lot of IPs like 10.1.1.1/24, 172.16.13.1/24 (NOT ANY 192.168...!)on internal interface. If someone tries to up an ANY address like 192.168.0.1/24 - our server always talk that this address is already in use. Those clients need these addresses, becouse they use our LAN as transport beetween two offices. I solved this problem by upping 192.168.1.1/16 on internal server interface . 2) One of our client use our LAN for testing their experimental hardware device (i don`t know what that thing do, but in connected to network). For some unknown reason that device use a real IP-address that not belongs to me, but they don't want to change the address(why? - I don't know). Our server swears that this address is already in use. I understand, that using such thing is not compliant to standarts, but maybe someone knows how to switch off those kind of alarms? Vasenin Alexander aka BlackSir From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 17 05:52:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F200316A4CE for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 05:52:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from exhsto1.se.dataphone.com (exhsto1.se.dataphone.com [212.37.6.239]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B91843D1F for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 05:52:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patrik.forsberg@dataphone.net) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:52:41 +0100 Message-ID: <375DD163B075E34EA3C10A6286E34A54245BFC@exhsto1.se.dataphone.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FreeBSD deny 'unusual' IP-addresses? Thread-Index: AcPc5FitBObTws20TFyFpffzMzRWNQAG1P0Q From: "Patrik Forsberg" To: Subject: RE: FreeBSD deny 'unusual' IP-addresses? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:53:00 -0000 > I work in a small ISP company. We are using FreeBSD machines=20 > for routing and > counting traffic of our clients. I faced with subject 'feature' twise: >=20 > 1) FreeBSD Server with a real ip in external interface and a=20 > lot of IPs like > 10.1.1.1/24, 172.16.13.1/24 (NOT ANY 192.168...!)on internal=20 > interface. If > someone tries to up an ANY address like 192.168.0.1/24 - our=20 > server always > talk that this address is already in use. Those clients need these > addresses, becouse they use our LAN as transport beetween two=20 > offices. I > solved this problem by upping 192.168.1.1/16 on internal=20 > server interface . I dont quite understand this. A machine that dont have the network segment you're trying to assign to another machine should never ever bother about it. Nether should it complain that it is already in use.. sense it doesn't know about it at all. It might be some proxy-arp thing, that I dont know about, that might couse that kind of behavur .. but normally it shouldent bother sense it doesn't know about the network .. even less the specified ip-address. > 2) One of our client use our LAN for testing their=20 > experimental hardware > device (i don`t know what that thing do, but in connected to=20 > network). For > some unknown reason that device use a real IP-address that=20 > not belongs to > me, but they don't want to change the address(why? - I don't=20 > know). Our > server swears that this address is already in use. This is generally a very bad idea. Two machines connected to the same layer-2 segment should never have the same IP. Ether you or they should change IP otherwise all kinds of havock can brake lose on the LAN. Ofcourse your server will complain that the address is already in use.. becouse it is. Im amazed if that works at all. The only time two equipments could have the same IP is if they are using some kind of high-availability mode .. like vrrp or something.. but even then the same IP aint connected at the same time to the same layer-2 segment. This is simply a NO-NO. > I understand, that using such thing is not compliant to=20 > standarts, but maybe > someone knows how to switch off those kind of alarms? Wouldent bet there is a way.. without kernel-hacking. It is a very basic part of the tcp/ip core to complain about it. Like you and me complain if a person steps into our foot-steps before we have stept out of them. I wouldent call it a feature if you could disable it.. more like a bug ;) Well.. I could be wrong, ofcourse. Regards, Patrik From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 17 09:35:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28DE816A4CE for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:35:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsdhosting.net (bsdhosting.net [65.39.221.113]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B9CCE43D3F for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:35:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhopper@bsdhosting.net) Received: (qmail 82761 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2004 17:34:17 -0000 Received: from bsdhosting.net (HELO work.gusalmighty.com) (jhopper@bsdhosting.net@65.39.221.113) by bsdhosting.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2004 17:34:17 -0000 From: Justin Hopper To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1074318064.1001.2554.camel@Bryce> References: <1074318064.1001.2554.camel@Bryce> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1074360670.30769.101.camel@work.gusalmighty.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:31:10 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fair Share Scheduling Needed. I want 1/3 of a server X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:35:36 -0000 On Fri, 2004-01-16 at 21:41, Christopher Lozinski wrote: > My ISP runs 40-50 jails per computer, and I fear in the near future that > I may need more of the computer than 1/50th. They then charge $400 for > an entire dedicated server. I would like something in between. > > Of course the issue is the scheduler. My understanding is that the > freebsd scheduler is designed to run all the processes fairly, but if > one user generates a large number of processes, they get more than their > fair share of the cpu. > > I think it would be very interesting if one could buy a fraction of the > CPU. My processes then get, say 1/4 of the CPU time minimum, perhaps > more if no one else is using them. > > Of course this requires a different scheduler. Perhaps it exists out > there. > > Some of the ISP's, like Verio, and others claim to offer fair share > freebsd servers. Does anyone know how they do it. Do they really do it > as they claim to do? I believe that FreeBSD does not yet offer any such resource restrictions. I've seen that a few ISPs claim to have jail-specific resource restrictions, but if they have them working, they have probably developed them in-house. There is at least one patch that I've seen floating the 'Net that will add jail-specific resource restrictions, but it was only for the 4.8 kernel. The patch looked to be somewhat simple, where resource limit fields were added to the prison structure and each time a process requested any resources (CPU, memory, etc.), the limit fields were checked against current values. We've never tested the patch, so I can't say how solid of an approach this is though. New jail features are being added all the time though, so perhaps resource limiting is on the list as well. Perhaps other, more informed, people on this list know of some road map of features that are planned for the jail system? Does Poul-Henning Kamp have a .plan file somewhere? =) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Justin Hopper UNIX Systems Engineer BSDHosting.net Hosting Division of Digital Oasys Inc. http://www.bsdhosting.net From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 17 16:08:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A43B16A4CE for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:08:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from imhotep.yuckfou.org (cust.89.117.adsl.cistron.nl [195.64.89.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243C543D55 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:08:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nivo+sender+a5063a@yuckfou.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imhotep.yuckfou.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864EC1DB for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 01:12:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from imhotep.yuckfou.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (imhotep.yuckfou.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 85608-08 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 01:12:27 +0100 (CET) Received: by imhotep.yuckfou.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0C9C2107; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 01:12:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from yuckfou.org (turbata-xp [192.168.2.236]) by localhost.yuckfou.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 01:12:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4009CE84.9020307@yuckfou.org> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 01:08:36 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030912 Thunderbird/0.3a X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <4001207E.6050602@heronetwork.com> In-Reply-To: <4001207E.6050602@heronetwork.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Nils Vogels X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.0 (Cannonade) X-TMDA-Fingerprint: Xwgg8wmd+GIguL/QXrTjuPOAen8 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at yuckfou.org Subject: Re: Cyrus-imapd failing on sasl_server_init X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Nils Vogels List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:08:45 -0000 W. Ryan Merrick wrote: > hello, > > I have been abused this for a while. I am trying to setup > Postfix-2.0.16+cyrus-Imap-2.1.16_1+cyrus-sasl-2.1.17_1 on my FreeBSD > 4.9 Stable server's inside NIC. I tried questions with no replies. > > Postfix is configured with: sasl2, TLS, BDB_ver 40 > cyrus-imapd2' => '--with-sasl --with-openssl WITH_BDB_VER=4' > cyrus-sasl2' => '--with-openssl WITH_BDB_VER=4 --enable-auth-sasldb > --enable-login' > > Postfix runs fine by itself It complains that: > > Jan 10 02:47:22 c1529030-a postfix/pipe[35530]: 51BDF4113: > to=, orig_to=, > relay=cyrus, delay=9701, status=deferred (temporary failure. Command > output: couldn't connect to lmtpd: Connection refused_ 421 4.3.0 > deliver: couldn't connect to lmtpd_ ) > Your postfix cannot find it's way to the Cyrus doors. I have the same setup running using Cyrus 2.2.3, and I encountered this as well, and I fixed it by having Cyrus put it's socket into the postfix environment and then pointing postfix to the right socket. In my case, the latter was done with a transport db, but hey, it's a free world :) imapd.conf: lmtpsocket: /var/spool/postfix/public/lmtp main.cf: transport_maps = hash:$config_directory/transport-cyrus transport-cyrus: my.virtual.domain.org lmtp:unix:public/lmtp postmap it, reload postfix and cyrus and have fun ;) HTH, Nils. -- Simple guidelines to happiness: Work like you don't need the money, love like your heart has never been broken and dance like no one can see you.