From owner-cvs-etc Mon Nov 27 01:12:45 1995 Return-Path: owner-cvs-etc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA16538 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 01:12:45 -0800 Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA16459 ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 01:11:09 -0800 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 01:11:09 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <199511270911.BAA16459@freefall.freebsd.org> To: CVS-committers, cvs-etc Subject: cvs commit: src/etc services Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk peter 95/11/27 01:11:07 Modified: etc services Log: port 22 is the officially assigned "ssh" port... Revision Changes Path 1.16 +3 -1 src/etc/services From owner-cvs-etc Wed Nov 29 12:40:46 1995 Return-Path: owner-cvs-etc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA18567 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:40:46 -0800 Received: (from wollman@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA18556 ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:40:38 -0800 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:40:38 -0800 From: "Garrett A. Wollman" Message-Id: <199511292040.MAA18556@freefall.freebsd.org> To: CVS-committers, cvs-etc Subject: cvs commit: src/etc/etc.i386 rc.i386 Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk wollman 95/11/29 12:40:38 Modified: etc/etc.i386 rc.i386 Log: Uniformize startup display to follow style of all the others. This means in particular getting rid of most of the goop that causes syscons options to be spread out over four separate lines. Revision Changes Path 1.14 +14 -27 src/etc/etc.i386/rc.i386 From owner-cvs-etc Wed Nov 29 18:28:59 1995 Return-Path: owner-cvs-etc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA14727 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:28:59 -0800 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA14709 ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:28:45 -0800 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:28:45 -0800 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199511300228.SAA14709@freefall.freebsd.org> To: CVS-committers, cvs-etc Subject: cvs commit: src/etc/root dot.Xdefaults dot.fvwmrc dot.xsession dot.cshrc dot.login Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk jkh 95/11/29 18:28:43 Modified: etc/root dot.cshrc dot.login Added: etc/root dot.Xdefaults dot.fvwmrc dot.xsession Log: Revamp root's dotfiles. Submitted by: Patrick Hausen + mods by me Revision Changes Path 1.16 +30 -23 src/etc/root/dot.cshrc 1.9 +19 -12 src/etc/root/dot.login From owner-cvs-etc Wed Nov 29 18:32:57 1995 Return-Path: owner-cvs-etc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA15053 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:32:57 -0800 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA15039 ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:32:44 -0800 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:32:44 -0800 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199511300232.SAA15039@freefall.freebsd.org> To: CVS-committers, cvs-etc Subject: cvs commit: src/etc Makefile Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk jkh 95/11/29 18:32:43 Modified: etc Makefile Log: Install new dotfiles. Revision Changes Path 1.127 +7 -1 src/etc/Makefile From owner-cvs-etc Wed Nov 29 19:55:22 1995 Return-Path: owner-cvs-etc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA19414 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 19:55:22 -0800 Received: (from ache@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA19399 ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 19:54:47 -0800 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 19:54:47 -0800 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" Message-Id: <199511300354.TAA19399@freefall.freebsd.org> To: CVS-committers, cvs-etc Subject: cvs commit: src/etc/root dot.login dot.xsession Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk ache 95/11/29 19:54:44 Modified: etc/root dot.login dot.xsession Log: Remove ENABLE_STARTUP_LOCALE, use proper name for LANG Revision Changes Path 1.10 +1 -2 src/etc/root/dot.login 1.2 +2 -3 src/etc/root/dot.xsession From owner-cvs-etc Thu Nov 30 15:38:47 1995 Return-Path: owner-cvs-etc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA04547 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 15:38:47 -0800 Received: from linus.demon.co.uk (linus.demon.co.uk [158.152.10.220]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA04530 ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 15:37:56 -0800 Received: (from mark@localhost) by linus.demon.co.uk (8.7.1/8.7.1) id XAA00604; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 23:39:00 GMT Message-Id: <199511302339.XAA00604@linus.demon.co.uk> From: mark@linus.demon.co.uk (Mark Valentine) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 23:39:00 +0000 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message of Nov 29, 6:28pm X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(2) 7/9/95) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , CVS-committers@freefall.freebsd.org, cvs-etc@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc/root dot.Xdefaults dot.fvwmrc dot.xsession dot.cshrc dot.login Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" > Date: Wed 29 Nov, 1995 > Subject: cvs commit: src/etc/root dot.Xdefaults dot.fvwmrc dot.xsession dot.cshrc dot.login > jkh 95/11/29 18:28:43 > > Modified: etc/root dot.cshrc dot.login > Added: etc/root dot.Xdefaults dot.fvwmrc dot.xsession > Log: > Revamp root's dotfiles. > Submitted by: Patrick Hausen + mods by me Do any other old BSD fogies find these inappropriate? I'm sure there is a place for some nice example *user* setups (maybe under /usr/src/share/examples, or even all set up under a guest account in a new install), but these files get installed as the default *root* environment. The default system environment should (more or less) be good enough for root, give or take a few things to make system administration and i18n more natural. I don't think there's a need for *any* X startup files for the default root login, and certainly not startup files for programs that aren't even in the source tree (fvwm). (Maybe an extra knob in the ports collection for these?) There's also tcsh-only stuff in there, which I don't think should be, and the InterViews stuff also wants to be go. "setenv PAGER more" should be redundant. "setenv EDITOR /stand/ee" is evidence of a commit made in a non-optimal mental state... The default environment should be largely free of policy (like changes to fonts and prompts). The default *root* environment should be utilitarian. Mark. -- "Tigers will do ANYTHING for a tuna fish sandwich." "We're kind of stupid that way." *munch* *munch* From owner-cvs-etc Thu Nov 30 16:22:55 1995 Return-Path: owner-cvs-etc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA07507 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:22:55 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA07500 ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:22:44 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA01289; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:13:41 -0800 To: mark@linus.demon.co.uk (Mark Valentine) cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , CVS-committers@freefall.freebsd.org, cvs-etc@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc/root dot.Xdefaults dot.fvwmrc dot.xsession dot.cshrc dot.login In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 30 Nov 1995 23:39:00 GMT." <199511302339.XAA00604@linus.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:13:40 -0800 Message-ID: <1287.817776820@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk There's a method to my madness. The first time you'll come up, you'll be root. There are no other logins on the system. You log into root and if the X setup stuff went OK, you type "startx". At this point you need a reasonable looking desktop, including an unobtrusive little button somewhere labeled "Configure". I can see how it might violate certain purist sensibilities, but this was the shortest path between two points. Jordan > > From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" > > Date: Wed 29 Nov, 1995 > > Subject: cvs commit: src/etc/root dot.Xdefaults dot.fvwmrc dot.xsession dot .cshrc dot.login > > > jkh 95/11/29 18:28:43 > > > > Modified: etc/root dot.cshrc dot.login > > Added: etc/root dot.Xdefaults dot.fvwmrc dot.xsession > > Log: > > Revamp root's dotfiles. > > Submitted by: Patrick Hausen + mods by me > > Do any other old BSD fogies find these inappropriate? > > I'm sure there is a place for some nice example *user* setups (maybe under > /usr/src/share/examples, or even all set up under a guest account in a new > install), but these files get installed as the default *root* environment. > > The default system environment should (more or less) be good enough for root, > give or take a few things to make system administration and i18n more natural From owner-cvs-etc Thu Nov 30 19:05:38 1995 Return-Path: owner-cvs-etc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA18704 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:05:38 -0800 Received: from precipice.shockwave.com (precipice.shockwave.com [171.69.108.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA18690 ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:05:05 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by precipice.shockwave.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA03907; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:02:12 -0800 Message-Id: <199512010302.TAA03907@precipice.shockwave.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: mark@linus.demon.co.uk (Mark Valentine), "Jordan K. Hubbard" , CVS-committers@freefall.freebsd.org, cvs-etc@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc/root dot.Xdefaults dot.fvwmrc dot.xsession dot.cshrc dot.login In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:13:40 PST." <1287.817776820@time.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:02:11 -0800 From: Paul Traina Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Barf Jordan. Root is used for "standalone startup" once -- when you bring the system up. It's much more important to have root be minimalistic so that when all hell breaks loose (like you've shat over one of your partitions) you can get in and working. Root should ideally not touch or require anything in /usr, although I would tend to put usr/bin and usr/sbin in sh's path (probably not in csh's). Paul From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc/root dot.Xdefaults dot.fvwmrc dot.xsession d >>ot.cshrc dot.login There's a method to my madness. The first time you'll come up, you'll be root. There are no other logins on the system. You log into root and if the X setup stuff went OK, you type "startx". At this point you need a reasonable looking desktop, including an unobtrusive little button somewhere labeled "Configure". I can see how it might violate certain purist sensibilities, but this was the shortest path between two points. Jordan > > From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" > > Date: Wed 29 Nov, 1995 > > Subject: cvs commit: src/etc/root dot.Xdefaults dot.fvwmrc dot.xsession d >>ot .cshrc dot.login > > > jkh 95/11/29 18:28:43 > > > > Modified: etc/root dot.cshrc dot.login > > Added: etc/root dot.Xdefaults dot.fvwmrc dot.xsession > > Log: > > Revamp root's dotfiles. > > Submitted by: Patrick Hausen + mods by me > > Do any other old BSD fogies find these inappropriate? > > I'm sure there is a place for some nice example *user* setups (maybe under > /usr/src/share/examples, or even all set up under a guest account in a new > install), but these files get installed as the default *root* environment. > > The default system environment should (more or less) be good enough for roo >>t, > give or take a few things to make system administration and i18n more natur >>al . > > I don't think there's a need for *any* X startup files for the default root > login, and certainly not startup files for programs that aren't even in the > source tree (fvwm). (Maybe an extra knob in the ports collection for these >>?) > > There's also tcsh-only stuff in there, which I don't think should be, and > the InterViews stuff also wants to be go. > > "setenv PAGER more" should be redundant. > > "setenv EDITOR /stand/ee" is evidence of a commit made in a non-optimal > mental state... > > The default environment should be largely free of policy (like changes to > fonts and prompts). The default *root* environment should be utilitarian. > > Mark. > > -- > "Tigers will do ANYTHING for a tuna fish sandwich." > "We're kind of stupid that way." *munch* *munch* From owner-cvs-etc Thu Nov 30 19:31:32 1995 Return-Path: owner-cvs-etc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA21692 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:31:32 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA21656 ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:31:15 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA27921; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:30:25 -0800 To: Paul Traina cc: mark@linus.demon.co.uk (Mark Valentine), "Jordan K. Hubbard" , CVS-committers@freefall.freebsd.org, cvs-etc@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc/root dot.Xdefaults dot.fvwmrc dot.xsession dot.cshrc dot.login In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:02:11 PST." <199512010302.TAA03907@precipice.shockwave.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:30:25 -0800 Message-ID: <27919.817788625@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Root is used for "standalone startup" once -- when you bring the system > up. It's much more important to have root be minimalistic so that when all > hell breaks loose (like you've shat over one of your partitions) you can get > in and working. Root should ideally not touch or require anything in /usr, But there's nothing I've done so far that would preclude that? It's only meaningful *if* you start an X server. Jordan From owner-cvs-etc Fri Dec 1 12:12:16 1995 Return-Path: owner-cvs-etc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA21860 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:12:16 -0800 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA21833 ; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:12:08 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:12:08 -0800 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199512012012.MAA21833@freefall.freebsd.org> To: CVS-committers, cvs-etc Subject: cvs commit: src/etc/root dot.cshrc dot.login dot.profile dot.xsession Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk jkh 95/12/01 12:12:07 Modified: etc/root dot.cshrc dot.login dot.profile dot.xsession Log: Rip these things down to the absolutely minimums - no tsets, no sttys, no fancy prompts, nothing. Everything else seems to be too contraversal, so we'll go vanilla. Revision Changes Path 1.17 +0 -17 src/etc/root/dot.cshrc 1.11 +0 -2 src/etc/root/dot.login 1.9 +1 -5 src/etc/root/dot.profile 1.3 +0 -2 src/etc/root/dot.xsession From owner-cvs-etc Sat Dec 2 13:02:19 1995 Return-Path: owner-cvs-etc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA20631 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Sat, 2 Dec 1995 13:02:19 -0800 Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA20595 ; Sat, 2 Dec 1995 13:02:07 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 13:02:07 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <199512022102.NAA20595@freefall.freebsd.org> To: CVS-committers, cvs-etc Subject: cvs commit: src/etc Makefile Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk peter 95/12/02 13:02:06 Modified: etc Makefile Log: install freebsd.cf rather than freefall.cf by default after 8.7.2 import. Revision Changes Path 1.128 +3 -3 src/etc/Makefile