From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 7 03:48:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA06020 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 03:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA06013 Sun, 7 Apr 1996 03:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id DAA00498; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 03:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604071048.DAA00498@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: core@freebsd.org cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: FYI...another day in the life of wcarchive. From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 03:48:08 -0700 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The total in the following (80.7GB) represents a new record for most traffic in a day. We broke the old record 4 times last week. Things should get really interesting when MCI completes their OC-3c/ATM 155Mbps upgrades in the coming weeks. We're definately still limited by the speed of the Internet backbone(s). -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: davidg@wcarchive.cdrom.com Received: from wcarchive.cdrom.com (wcarchive.cdrom.com [165.113.58.253]) by Root.COM (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id DAA00453 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 03:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by wcarchive.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA19874 for ftp-stats; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 03:26:26 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 03:26:26 -0700 From: David Greenman Message-Id: <199604071026.DAA19874@wcarchive.cdrom.com> To: ftp-stats@wcarchive.cdrom.com Subject: Daily FTP archive statistics for Sun Apr 7 03:26:25 PDT 1996 Archive Stats, DAILY Archive Name Bytes Transfered Files Transfered % Bytes %Files - ------------ ---------------- ---------------- ------- ------ .2/games 23,745,049 K 27,689 29.4 10.2 .12/win 15,615,495 K 22,428 19.3 8.2 .15/linux 9,978,249 K 55,126 12.4 20.2 .6/idgames 9,539,408 K 36,704 11.8 13.5 .16/FreeBSD 6,930,754 K 56,158 8.6 20.6 .14/demos 3,638,351 K 17,527 4.5 6.4 .14/obi 2,151,717 K 2,562 2.7 0.9 .1/simtelnet 1,895,010 K 12,578 2.3 4.6 .4/os2 1,257,498 K 7,090 1.6 2.6 .2/dresden 1,120,717 K 3,769 1.4 1.4 .12/mac 813,670 K 2,657 1.0 1.0 .22/cica 812,960 K 2,401 1.0 0.9 .12/abuse 708,284 K 443 0.9 0.2 .20/descent 262,727 K 786 0.3 0.3 .13/bible 254,869 K 692 0.3 0.3 .6/linux 230,838 K 789 0.3 0.3 .13/garbo 226,690 K 1,618 0.3 0.6 .23/tex 223,684 K 4,619 0.3 1.7 .20/security 198,358 K 291 0.2 0.1 .20/povray 173,022 K 932 0.2 0.3 .6/idgames2 161,161 K 5,102 0.2 1.9 .21/XFree86 121,001 K 145 0.1 0.1 .12/gnu 83,436 K 167 0.1 0.1 ls-lR 68,768 K 46 0.1 0.0 ls-lR.Z/ 61,669 K 18 0.1 0.0 .13/delphi 60,812 K 1,504 0.1 0.6 .12/cdrom 57,671 K 1,230 0.1 0.5 .20/stereogram 47,891 K 368 0.1 0.1 .21/gutenberg 46,278 K 279 0.1 0.1 .4/bsd-sources 40,409 K 52 0.1 0.0 .13/japanese 38,363 K 206 0.0 0.1 .21/perl 37,527 K 616 0.0 0.2 .12/avalon 35,124 K 464 0.0 0.2 .23/nebula 24,115 K 70 0.0 0.0 17,804 K 12 0.0 0.0 .13/asme 17,043 K 169 0.0 0.1 .12/internet 14,183 K 561 0.0 0.2 .13/hamradio 8,637 K 150 0.0 0.1 .23/X11R6 8,574 K 17 0.0 0.0 .20/math 8,262 K 237 0.0 0.1 archive 7,294 K 13 0.0 0.0 .20/avalon 7,036 K 94 0.0 0.0 .13/tcl 6,347 K 58 0.0 0.0 .1/internet 5,052 K 177 0.0 0.1 .20/unix-c 4,440 K 47 0.0 0.0 .21/algorithms 4,396 K 767 0.0 0.3 pub 3,186 K 1,491 0.0 0.5 .1/4cust 1,817 K 16 0.0 0.0 .1/netlib 1,426 K 53 0.0 0.0 jobs 965 K 213 0.0 0.1 .21/viseng 955 K 2 0.0 0.0 README 662 K 601 0.0 0.2 etc 606 K 26 0.0 0.0 UPLOADS.TXT/ 265 K 229 0.0 0.1 .21/linux 197 K 39 0.0 0.0 config 176 K 105 0.0 0.0 .11/languages 132 K 19 0.0 0.0 Archive Stats, DAILY Archive Name Bytes Transfered Files Transfered % Bytes %Files - ------------ ---------------- ---------------- ------- ------ .13/languages 75 K 3 0.0 0.0 .21/misc 34 K 13 0.0 0.0 .21/supreme_co 21 K 18 0.0 0.0 .13/vhdl 21 K 3 0.0 0.0 a 19 K 9 0.0 0.0 jobs.Z/ 2 K 1 0.0 0.0 UPLOADS.TXT.Z/ 0 K 1 0.0 0.0 Total 80,781,233 K 272,352 100.0 100.0 ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 7 04:04:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA07312 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 04:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA07307 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 04:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with SMTP id MAA05482 ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 12:01:04 +0100 (BST) To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG CC: davidg@root.com From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: FYI...another day in the life of wcarchive. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Apr 1996 03:48:08 PDT." <199604071048.DAA00498@Root.COM> Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 12:01:03 +0100 Message-ID: <5480.828874863@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Greenman wrote in message ID <199604071048.DAA00498@Root.COM>: > Subject: Daily FTP archive statistics for Sun Apr 7 03:26:25 PDT 1996 > Archive Stats, DAILY > Archive Name Bytes Transfered Files Transfered % Bytes %Files > ------------ ---------------- ---------------- ------- ------ [SNIP] > config 176 K 105 0.0 0.0 105 people downloaded the config info in one day? Wow. Gary From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 7 04:08:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA07492 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 04:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (root@grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA07487 Sun, 7 Apr 1996 04:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (mark@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27681; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 13:08:08 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199604071108.NAA27681@grumble.grondar.za> To: davidg@Root.COM cc: core@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FYI...another day in the life of wcarchive. Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 13:08:05 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Greenman wrote: > The total in the following (80.7GB) represents a new record for most > traffic in a day. We broke the old record 4 times last week. Things should > get really interesting when MCI completes their OC-3c/ATM 155Mbps upgrades > in the coming weeks. We're definately still limited by the speed of the > Internet backbone(s). Ye gods! A "gee whizz" statisic I heard circa 1989; the total wealth of knowledge left to us by the Ancient Greeks ammounts to about 9GB. in 1989, this was 1 day's _total_ traffic on the Internet. You guys are now an order of magnitude above this on _one_site_! M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grondar.za for PGP key From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 7 14:43:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA04691 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jolt.eng.umd.edu (jolt.eng.umd.edu [129.2.102.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04671 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thurston.eng.umd.edu (thurston.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.206]) by jolt.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA09937 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 17:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chuckr@localhost) by thurston.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA02146; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 17:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 17:43:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@thurston.eng.umd.edu To: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: New drives Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It's time to bring out the checkbook and do some upgrading. I looked in the computer shopper, and there's some good deals on Fujitsu drives, so I though I might pick up a 2 G model. I know they carry a 5 year warranty, I was wondering if anyone knows anthing too negative about them? Like, do they tend to run hot or have a bad infant failure rate, or anything? It's also time to upgrade one of my two 486's to a Pentium. I've heard reams about some motherboards that use external cache poorly, or don't really take advantage of ED0 ram. Does anyone have a positive recommendation on a board that doesn't have any problems (so far) ? I figure I'm going to have to buy some new ram, so I'm not worried about compatibility with the 70 NS stuff from the 486 boards. I'll just take the memory from the 486 that's going out of service, and load the other one up. Thanks for the comments, I always wait until I'm really ready to write the check before I ask the questions. ========================================================================== Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu, I run FreeBSD-current on n3lxx + Journey2 Three Accounts for the Super-users in the sky, Seven for the Operators in their halls of fame, Nine for Ordinary Users doomed to crie, One for the Illegal Cracker with his evil game In the Domains of Internet where the data lie. One Account to rule them all, One Account to watch them, One Account to make them all and in the network bind them. From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 7 14:52:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA05833 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05823 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:52:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA05168; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:51:09 -0700 (PDT) To: Thomas Roell cc: Terry Lambert , msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The F_SETOWN problem.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Apr 1996 22:36:03 +0200." <199604072036.WAA00909@blah.a.isar.de> Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 14:51:09 -0700 Message-ID: <5166.828913869@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > But your notion of an 'attractive Dongle' is really neat. A Dongle as > a collectors item. Different colors. Different Designs. Just like the I like it! I like it! The swimmer's dongle, the golfer's dongle, why you could even do dongles with overtly sexual themes for the swingers out there (eventually producing, of course, the dangle-dongle! :-) > Swatch whatches. Kind of neat idea. Better than the extra vocal track > on our next SW-CD, where you'll hear a couple of developers trying to > sing ;-) No, really? Really?? Dude! DO IT! Heck, you'd probably be surprised at how many people have asked me to put an audio track on the next FreeBSD CD - some sort of musical number reminscent of Borland's Turbo Jazz Band (which does cheat outrageously by having employees who are actually GOOD at music participate in it). I suppose I could do the vocals, David could play the drums (since he's not musical at all and you don't need to be a musician to play the drums :-) and anybody else with a shred of musical talent could play whatever they play. All we need to do is agree on a musical style, some words, a simply tune and then everyone can record their track separately and we'll mix the results together. Being the lyricist, I'll even come up with some inspiring lyrics to start with: "FreeBSD!" [background vocalists: "uh huh! uh huh!"] "FreeBSD!" [background: "uh huh! uh huh!"] "It's not Linux!" [background: "uh uh! uh uh!"] "And it's not SCO!" [background: "oh no! oh no!"] Well that's a start, anyway. I guess I still need to polish this up a bit.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 7 15:26:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA08511 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 15:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA08503 Sun, 7 Apr 1996 15:26:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199604072226.PAA08503@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: New drives To: chuckr@Glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 15:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Chuck Robey" at Apr 7, 96 05:43:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chuck Robey wrote: > > It's time to bring out the checkbook and do some upgrading. I looked in > the computer shopper, and there's some good deals on Fujitsu drives, so I > though I might pick up a 2 G model. I know they carry a 5 year warranty, > I was wondering if anyone knows anthing too negative about them? can't respond to the 2GB model, but if its anything like the 1GB model, its a very sweet drive. cool, quiet, fast, reliable (the data set here is two drives ;) (ncr0:1:0): "FUJITSU M1606S-512 6220" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd1(ncr0:1:0): Direct-Access sd1(ncr0:1:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. 1041MB (2131992 512 byte sectors) and (ncr1:6:0): "FUJITSU M1606S-512 6234" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd2(ncr1:6:0): Direct-Access sd2(ncr1:6:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. 1041MB (2131992 512 byte sectors) -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Aspen MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU fujitsu 100 510 99.3 1892 14.4 1301 24.7 458 99.8 3873 39.1 58.0 6.1 (1) 100 649 95.1 2389 22.7 1374 29.9 777 95.7 4073 51.2 55.8 6.2 dec 100 508 99.2 1533 10.8 1100 19.1 458 99.8 2921 26.9 53.6 5.6 barracuda 100 670 98.5 2691 27.3 1701 37.8 797 98.5 5097 63.1 85.0 10.0 (1) outermost tracks of the drive to a newly newfs'ed partition the dec is a "DEC DSP3053LS X442" FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) the barracuda is a "SEAGATE ST12550N 0014" FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 7 18:27:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA16878 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 18:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA16872 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 18:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA00649; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 18:26:09 -0700 Message-Id: <199604080126.SAA00649@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The F_SETOWN problem.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Apr 1996 14:51:09 PDT." <5166.828913869@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 18:26:08 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Check out Descent II to see how it is done 8) It has midi, synthetized sound plus get this redbook tracks on the CD ! Oh, redbook tracks are the same format as your audio cd. Cheers, Amancio >>> "Jordan K. Hubbard" said: > > But your notion of an 'attractive Dongle' is really neat. A Dongle as > > a collectors item. Different colors. Different Designs. Just like the > > I like it! I like it! The swimmer's dongle, the golfer's dongle, why > you could even do dongles with overtly sexual themes for the swingers > out there (eventually producing, of course, the dangle-dongle! :-) > > > Swatch whatches. Kind of neat idea. Better than the extra vocal track > > on our next SW-CD, where you'll hear a couple of developers trying to > > sing ;-) > > No, really? Really?? Dude! DO IT! Heck, you'd probably be > surprised at how many people have asked me to put an audio track on > the next FreeBSD CD - some sort of musical number reminscent of > Borland's Turbo Jazz Band (which does cheat outrageously by having > employees who are actually GOOD at music participate in it). > > I suppose I could do the vocals, David could play the drums (since > he's not musical at all and you don't need to be a musician to play > the drums :-) and anybody else with a shred of musical talent could > play whatever they play. All we need to do is agree on a musical > style, some words, a simply tune and then everyone can record their > track separately and we'll mix the results together. > > Being the lyricist, I'll even come up with some inspiring lyrics > to start with: > > "FreeBSD!" > [background vocalists: "uh huh! uh huh!"] > > "FreeBSD!" > [background: "uh huh! uh huh!"] > > "It's not Linux!" > [background: "uh uh! uh uh!"] > > "And it's not SCO!" > [background: "oh no! oh no!"] > > Well that's a start, anyway. I guess I still need to polish this up a > bit.. :-) > > Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 7 18:28:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA17163 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 18:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA17136 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 18:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id DAA12588; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 03:28:34 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id DAA10013; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 03:28:34 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA01832; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 03:16:50 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604080116.DAA01832@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: New drives To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 03:16:49 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: chuckr@Glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Chuck Robey" at Apr 7, 96 05:43:02 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Chuck Robey wrote: > It's time to bring out the checkbook and do some upgrading. I looked in > the computer shopper, and there's some good deals on Fujitsu drives, so I > though I might pick up a 2 G model. I know they carry a 5 year warranty, > I was wondering if anyone knows anthing too negative about them? My machine at work has one of these Fujitsu's. It's a 7200 rpm drive, and as such really a ``hot iron''. I've put an additional fan aside it when i was mounting yet another disk below the Fujitsu. However, it runs fine. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 7 18:29:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA17261 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 18:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA17233 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 18:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id DAA12592; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 03:28:36 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id DAA10014; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 03:28:35 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA01896; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 03:22:10 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604080122.DAA01896@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: The F_SETOWN problem.. To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 03:22:09 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: roell@blah.a.isar.de, terry@lambert.org, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <5166.828913869@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Apr 7, 96 02:51:09 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > No, really? Really?? Dude! DO IT! Heck, you'd probably be > surprised at how many people have asked me to put an audio track on > the next FreeBSD CD - some sort of musical number reminscent of > Borland's Turbo Jazz Band (which does cheat outrageously by having > employees who are actually GOOD at music participate in it). I want cats! Hubbard's cats! Mew! Mew! :-) (You know the German saying, ,,Katzenmusik''. ;-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 7 18:50:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA18252 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 18:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from distortion.eng.umd.edu (distortion.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18247 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 18:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from professor.eng.umd.edu (professor.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.207]) by distortion.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA09238; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 21:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chuckr@localhost) by professor.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA17498; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 21:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 21:50:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@professor.eng.umd.edu To: Joerg Wunsch cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New drives In-Reply-To: <199604080116.DAA01832@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 8 Apr 1996, J Wunsch wrote: > As Chuck Robey wrote: > > It's time to bring out the checkbook and do some upgrading. I looked in > > the computer shopper, and there's some good deals on Fujitsu drives, so I > > though I might pick up a 2 G model. I know they carry a 5 year warranty, > > I was wondering if anyone knows anthing too negative about them? > > My machine at work has one of these Fujitsu's. It's a 7200 rpm drive, > and as such really a ``hot iron''. I've put an additional fan aside > it when i was mounting yet another disk below the Fujitsu. > > However, it runs fine. OK, it sounds like Fujitsu is the way to go, then. Any Pentium motherboards that anyone particularly likes? Things like external cache that really operates, ED0 ram that actually works? I want PCI of course, and I think that the NCR disk controller sounds good. Something about compatibility with the NCR controller comes to mind, needs a certain BIOS maybe? > > -- > cheers, J"org > > joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) > ========================================================================== Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu, I run FreeBSD-current on n3lxx + Journey2 Three Accounts for the Super-users in the sky, Seven for the Operators in their halls of fame, Nine for Ordinary Users doomed to crie, One for the Illegal Cracker with his evil game In the Domains of Internet where the data lie. One Account to rule them all, One Account to watch them, One Account to make them all and in the network bind them. From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 7 18:56:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA18547 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 18:56:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18542 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 18:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA05798; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 18:56:12 -0700 (PDT) To: Chuck Robey cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New drives In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Apr 1996 17:43:02 EDT." Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 18:56:12 -0700 Message-ID: <5796.828928572@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > It's time to bring out the checkbook and do some upgrading. I looked in > the computer shopper, and there's some good deals on Fujitsu drives, so I > though I might pick up a 2 G model. I know they carry a 5 year warranty, > I was wondering if anyone knows anthing too negative about them? I have a couple of earlier fujis and though they DO run hot, they're also quite fast and highly reliable. As long as you have good cooling, true also for drives like the Seagate Barracuda, you're in good shape. > It's also time to upgrade one of my two 486's to a Pentium. I've heard > reams about some motherboards that use external cache poorly, or don't > really take advantage of ED0 ram. Does anyone have a positive > recommendation on a board that doesn't have any problems (so far) ? The ASUS and Tyan motherboards seem to be good buys. I buy ASUS MBs and have good luck, Paul Vixie buys Tyans for his BSD/OS systems and likes those. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 7 19:29:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA20886 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 19:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA20878 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 19:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA05987; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 19:28:50 -0700 (PDT) To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: chat@freebsd.org, roell@blah.a.isar.de, terry@lambert.org, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au Subject: Re: The F_SETOWN problem.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Apr 1996 03:22:09 +0200." <199604080122.DAA01896@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 19:28:50 -0700 Message-ID: <5985.828930530@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I want cats! Hubbard's cats! Mew! Mew! :-) > > (You know the German saying, ,,Katzenmusik''. ;-) I do indeed. I could record them, I suppose, though only at feeding time does the choir really sing (and then it's like hell opened up and the chorused voices of the damned streamed through! :-). Recording them individually is pretty challenging. You can hear little Sophia singing on my home page. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 7 19:30:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA21021 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 19:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21015 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 19:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA06000; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 19:29:43 -0700 (PDT) To: "Amancio Hasty Jr." cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The F_SETOWN problem.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Apr 1996 18:26:08 PDT." <199604080126.SAA00649@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 19:29:43 -0700 Message-ID: <5998.828930583@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Check out Descent II to see how it is done 8) > It has midi, synthetized sound plus get this redbook tracks on the CD ! > Oh, redbook tracks are the same format as your audio cd. Oh, laying down redbook audio is pretty simple - we know how to do this already (I DO work for a CDROM company, after all :-). It's simply the source material I'm lacking! Do you play any instruments? :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 7 19:37:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA21510 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 19:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA21505 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 19:37:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA23912; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 20:37:40 -0600 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 20:37:40 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199604080237.UAA23912@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Thomas Roell , Terry Lambert , msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The F_SETOWN problem.. In-Reply-To: <5166.828913869@time.cdrom.com> References: <199604072036.WAA00909@blah.a.isar.de> <5166.828913869@time.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > Heck, you'd probably be surprised at how many people have asked me to > put an audio track on the next FreeBSD CD - some sort of musical > number reminscent of Borland's Turbo Jazz Band (which does cheat > outrageously by having employees who are actually GOOD at music > participate in it). > > I suppose I could do the vocals, David could play the drums (since > he's not musical at all and you don't need to be a musician to play > the drums :-) and anybody else with a shred of musical talent could > play whatever they play. I'm sure I could convince the Nomad's to act as the studio musicians, and I play a pretty fair rhythm guitar. Don't you play lead guitar as well Jordan? > All we need to do is agree on a musical > style, some words, a simply tune and then everyone can record their > track separately and we'll mix the results together. > > Being the lyricist, I'll even come up with some inspiring lyrics > to start with: [ Boring lyrics deleted for the sake of sanity ] > Well that's a start, anyway. I guess I still need to polish this up a > bit.. :-) Man, no kidding. You've done *much* better than this, so I'm sure you could come up with this. The lyrics above seem reminiscent of the type Shaquille O'Neil used on his album, so I'm sure you could do better. Nate From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 7 19:38:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA21576 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 19:38:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jolt.eng.umd.edu (jolt.eng.umd.edu [129.2.102.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21571 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 19:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from professor.eng.umd.edu (professor.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.207]) by jolt.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA12516; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 22:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chuckr@localhost) by professor.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA17137; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 22:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 22:38:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@professor.eng.umd.edu To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New drives In-Reply-To: <5796.828928572@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 7 Apr 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > It's also time to upgrade one of my two 486's to a Pentium. I've heard > > reams about some motherboards that use external cache poorly, or don't > > really take advantage of ED0 ram. Does anyone have a positive > > recommendation on a board that doesn't have any problems (so far) ? > > The ASUS and Tyan motherboards seem to be good buys. I buy ASUS MBs > and have good luck, Paul Vixie buys Tyans for his BSD/OS systems and > likes those. OK, I checked the Asus site, and they have LOTS of models. 133 MHz Pentiums sound like a reasonable price/performance target to me, does anyone know a particular Asus model that DOESN'T have bugs? I'm really not up to date on the various bad Intel chipsets, and I don't want to buy a lemon here. I'm not wasting your time, I really am gonna buy this as quick as I get reliable numbers. Thanks for the help, guys. > > Jordan > ========================================================================== Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu, I run FreeBSD-current on n3lxx + Journey2 Three Accounts for the Super-users in the sky, Seven for the Operators in their halls of fame, Nine for Ordinary Users doomed to crie, One for the Illegal Cracker with his evil game In the Domains of Internet where the data lie. One Account to rule them all, One Account to watch them, One Account to make them all and in the network bind them. From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 7 19:51:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA22658 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 19:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA22652 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 19:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA06077; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 19:50:36 -0700 (PDT) To: Nate Williams cc: Thomas Roell , Terry Lambert , msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The F_SETOWN problem.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Apr 1996 20:37:40 MDT." <199604080237.UAA23912@rocky.sri.MT.net> Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 19:50:36 -0700 Message-ID: <6075.828931836@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm sure I could convince the Nomad's to act as the studio musicians, > and I play a pretty fair rhythm guitar. Don't you play lead guitar as > well Jordan? I don't play lead anymore.. Hell, it's all I can do to remember my scales these days.. :-) My strat-copy (a Washburn) is looking accusingly at me as we speak. Good thing I didn't buy a real stratocaster or I'd be in guilt-city right now! > Man, no kidding. You've done *much* better than this, so I'm sure you > could come up with this. The lyrics above seem reminiscent of the type > Shaquille O'Neil used on his album, so I'm sure you could do better. Actually, my inspiration was Cheech & Chong (re: the "beaners" song from "Up in smoke") but then I got carried away and actually used more words than just "FreeBSD", which sort of robbed the lyrics of their elemental power and simplicity. My mistake. Of course, for some reason the tune "Hey hey, we're the Monkeys!" is now running through my head and I'm most definitely going to refrain from writing any lyrics at all. The results would be most evil indeed! JOrdan From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 7 20:24:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA24999 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 20:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA24993 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 20:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA00539; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 20:22:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199604080322.UAA00539@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The F_SETOWN problem.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Apr 1996 19:29:43 PDT." <5998.828930583@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 20:22:58 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> "Jordan K. Hubbard" said: > > Check out Descent II to see how it is done 8) > > It has midi, synthetized sound plus get this redbook tracks on the CD ! > > Oh, redbook tracks are the same format as your audio cd. > > Oh, laying down redbook audio is pretty simple - we know how to do > this already (I DO work for a CDROM company, after all :-). > > It's simply the source material I'm lacking! Do you play any > instruments? :-) Nope , the only instrument I play is the keyboard 8) I think that we have a few musicians in the group we just have to drag them out 8) Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 8 01:50:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA13161 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 01:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA13150 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 01:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA17716 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:50:49 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA12951 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:50:49 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id KAA03642 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:44:55 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604080844.KAA03642@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: The F_SETOWN problem.. To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:44:54 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <5985.828930530@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Apr 7, 96 07:28:50 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I want cats! Hubbard's cats! Mew! Mew! :-) > Recording them individually is pretty challenging. You can hear > little Sophia singing on my home page. All my unix boxes don't have soundcards... gotta get to my bosses computer with winglows95. :-/ -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 8 03:07:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA17008 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 03:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA17003 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 03:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA18509; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 13:11:54 +0300 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 13:11:54 +0300 (EET DST) From: Narvi To: Chuck Robey cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New drives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Eat good food, preserve nature, be nice to all nice people :) On Sun, 7 Apr 1996, Chuck Robey wrote: > It's time to bring out the checkbook and do some upgrading. I looked in > the computer shopper, and there's some good deals on Fujitsu drives, so I > though I might pick up a 2 G model. I know they carry a 5 year warranty, > I was wondering if anyone knows anthing too negative about them? They have worked for me. > > Like, do they tend to run hot or have a bad infant failure rate, or > anything? > > It's also time to upgrade one of my two 486's to a Pentium. I've heard > reams about some motherboards that use external cache poorly, or don't > really take advantage of ED0 ram. Does anyone have a positive > recommendation on a board that doesn't have any problems (so far) ? > > I figure I'm going to have to buy some new ram, so I'm not worried about > compatibility with the 70 NS stuff from the 486 boards. I'll just take > the memory from the 486 that's going out of service, and load the other > one up. The Pentiums with the exernal frequency of 66MHz (P5100, 133 & 166) require 60ns RAM. > > Thanks for the comments, I always wait until I'm really ready to write > the check before I ask the questions. > > ========================================================================== > Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu, I run FreeBSD-current on n3lxx + Journey2 > > Three Accounts for the Super-users in the sky, > Seven for the Operators in their halls of fame, > Nine for Ordinary Users doomed to crie, > One for the Illegal Cracker with his evil game > In the Domains of Internet where the data lie. > One Account to rule them all, One Account to watch them, > One Account to make them all and in the network bind them. > > > Sander From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 8 03:14:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA17391 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 03:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blah.a.isar.de (root@blah.a.isar.de [194.45.233.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA17386 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 03:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from roell@localhost) by blah.a.isar.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA00314; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 11:51:08 +0200 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 11:51:08 +0200 From: Thomas Roell Message-Id: <199604080951.LAA00314@blah.a.isar.de> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, roell@blah.a.isar.de, terry@lambert.org, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au Subject: Re: The F_SETOWN problem.. In-Reply-To: <199604080122.DAA01896@uriah.heep.sax.de> References: <5166.828913869@time.cdrom.com> <199604080122.DAA01896@uriah.heep.sax.de> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In your message of 8 April 1996 you write: > As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > No, really? Really?? Dude! DO IT! Heck, you'd probably be > > surprised at how many people have asked me to put an audio track on > > the next FreeBSD CD - some sort of musical number reminscent of > > Borland's Turbo Jazz Band (which does cheat outrageously by having > > employees who are actually GOOD at music participate in it). > > I want cats! Hubbard's cats! Mew! Mew! :-) > > (You know the German saying, ,,Katzenmusik''. ;-) Hmmm, I was thinking getting our support/qa/programming people together in a room with a couple of Black Bush bottles and after an hour or so, start singing good old shanties ;-) Irish folk songs. Guess we can sure beat the 'Kelly Family' ! - Thomas -- Denver Office THOMAS ROELL /\ Das Reh springt hoch, +1(303)298-7478 X INSIDE INC / \/\ das Reh springt weit, 1801 Broadway, Suite 1710 / \ \/\ was soll es tun, Denver, CO 80202 roell@xinside.com / Oelch! \ \ es hat ja Zeit. From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 8 07:39:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA00550 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 07:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from doorstep.unety.net (root@usi-00-10.Naperville.unety.net [204.70.107.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA00532 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 07:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webster.unety.net (webster.unety.net [206.31.202.8]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA02496; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:33:52 -0500 Received: by webster.unety.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BB252E.DA8CBB40@webster.unety.net>; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:36:24 -0500 Message-ID: <01BB252E.DA8CBB40@webster.unety.net> From: Jim Fleming To: "chat@FreeBSD.org" Cc: "msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au" , "roell@blah.a.isar.de" , "terry@lambert.org" Subject: RE: The F_SETOWN problem.. Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:36:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sunday, April 07, 1996 10:22 PM, J Wunsch[SMTP:j@uriah.heep.sax.de] wrote: @As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: @ @> No, really? Really?? Dude! DO IT! Heck, you'd probably be @> surprised at how many people have asked me to put an audio track on @> the next FreeBSD CD - some sort of musical number reminscent of @> Borland's Turbo Jazz Band (which does cheat outrageously by having @> employees who are actually GOOD at music participate in it). @ @I want cats! Hubbard's cats! Mew! Mew! :-) @ C+@ is coming to FreeBSD...stay tuned...:-) Yes...Hubbard's C+@s sounds like a hit... -- Jim Fleming UNETY Systems, Inc. Naperville, IL 60563 e-mail: JimFleming@unety.net From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 9 01:27:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA21462 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 01:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA21457 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 01:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA14372; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:20:52 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA02258; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:20:52 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id KAA08954; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:16:20 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604090816.KAA08954@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: sys_errlist To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:16:20 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: alk@Think.COM, chat@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199604090216.LAA12358@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Apr 9, 96 11:46:14 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Michael Smith wrote: > You're a brave man. Not too bright, but brave 8) > > Why would you want a publically visible symbol not to have a prototype? Hmm? > Next you'll be telling us that we should ditch the 'errno' prototype as > well, and go back even further. This reminds me... I was interested in writing a new login(1) for a stone-aged ESIX SVR3.2 yesterday. Don't ask me how many external function and variable declarations i had to put up into my source manually. =:-) The bottom line is, these old Unices were rather easy to handle. :) A full login(1) replacement took about 3 hours, resulting in a 200-line C file. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 9 05:07:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA07170 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 05:07:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA07165 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 05:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA17459 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 12:49:13 +0200 Message-Id: <199604091049.MAA17459@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: FreeBSD band (was: no subject) To: nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 96 14:03:03 MET DST From: Greg Lehey Cc: terry@lambert.org, Brett_Glass@ccgate.infoworld.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199604032048.NAA14898@rocky.sri.MT.net>; from "Nate Williams" at Apr 3, 96 1:48 pm X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> being written by Nate and the Nomads (good name for a band 8-)). > > Hey, I toyed with the idea of a band once. And given the (lack of) > talent in most top-40 bands, I think we could pull it off. > > I suppose WC would be able to press our CD's pretty cheaply too. I > wonder what Jordan would think of the WC record label? IS there a > market there for a new CD for them? *grin* Of course. How about "Jordan and the Freebies"? Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 10 15:19:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA14622 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 15:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from distortion.eng.umd.edu (distortion.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14617 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 15:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ginger.eng.umd.edu (ginger.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.204]) by distortion.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06093 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chuckr@localhost) by ginger.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA05363; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:18:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@ginger.eng.umd.edu To: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Motherboards 'n Bioses Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk OK, I think I have a motherboard in my sights, the Tyan Tomcat I, but I need some info on the BIOS. The vendor I found only uses Award and Mr. Bios. I could get an AMI bios, but I'll have to go out of my way on it, probably to another vendor. Does anyone have any compatibility info about the Award BIOS and FreeBSD? BTW, I'll be using SCSI only, using Tyan's own NCR based SCSI controller (cheap). ========================================================================== Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu, I run FreeBSD-current on n3lxx + Journey2 Three Accounts for the Super-users in the sky, Seven for the Operators in their halls of fame, Nine for Ordinary Users doomed to crie, One for the Illegal Cracker with his evil game In the Domains of Internet where the data lie. One Account to rule them all, One Account to watch them, One Account to make them all and in the network bind them. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 10 17:52:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA22349 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luke.pmr.com (luke.pmr.com [206.224.65.132]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA22344 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.pmr.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA22296; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:52:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Bob Willcox Message-Id: <199604110052.TAA22296@luke.pmr.com> Subject: Re: Motherboards 'n Bioses To: chuckr@Glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:52:21 -0500 (CDT) Cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from Chuck Robey at "Apr 10, 96 06:18:59 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chuck Robey wrote: > OK, I think I have a motherboard in my sights, the Tyan Tomcat I, but I > need some info on the BIOS. The vendor I found only uses Award and Mr. > Bios. I could get an AMI bios, but I'll have to go out of my way on it, > probably to another vendor. Does anyone have any compatibility info > about the Award BIOS and FreeBSD? All of the Pentium MBs I've used (about 8 all together) have had AWARD bios and they all have run FreeBSD, at one time or another. > > BTW, I'll be using SCSI only, using Tyan's own NCR based SCSI controller > (cheap). Several of my systems are using the ASUS SC200 SCSI adapters that are NCR 53C810 based. Seem to work fine. A have a few Adaptec 2940's as well that also work fine, though the NCR driver is friendler to my Exabyte EXB-8200 tape drives (doesn't complain about being busy during long operations like rewinds). -- Bob Willcox bob@luke.pmr.com Austin, TX From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 10 19:42:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA29479 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA29473 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yucca.cs.odu.edu (root@yucca.cs.odu.edu [128.82.4.6]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA00535 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:42:26 -0700 Received: from galactica.cs.odu.edu (galactica.cs.odu.edu [128.82.7.68]) by yucca.cs.odu.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id WAA08783 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:36:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:38:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Ragnar To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Mbone In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Chuck Robey wrote: Are their any freebsd specific places on the mbone to hang out? If so, what tools are appropriate for connecting, and what host:port should I connect to? Jamie I have my finger on the pulse of the planet. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 10 21:32:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA04995 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA04987 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA04412; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:30:28 -0700 Message-Id: <199604110430.VAA04412@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Ragnar cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mbone In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:38:24 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:30:28 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk http://rah.star-gate.com/~hasty/mbone.html Just run sdr and hang out in freebsd lounge 8) If you want to keep up with this sort of stuff I suggest subscribing to the multimedia@freebsd.org Have fun, Amancio >>> Ragnar said: > On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Chuck Robey wrote: > > Are their any freebsd specific places on the mbone to hang out? If so, > what tools are appropriate for connecting, and what host:port should I > connect to? > > Jamie > > I have my finger on the pulse of the planet. > From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 11 03:43:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA02479 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 03:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA02468 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 03:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA27803; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 13:49:07 +0300 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 13:49:06 +0300 (EET DST) From: Narvi To: Chuck Robey cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Motherboards 'n Bioses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Eat good food, preserve nature, be nice to all nice people :) On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Chuck Robey wrote: > OK, I think I have a motherboard in my sights, the Tyan Tomcat I, but I > need some info on the BIOS. The vendor I found only uses Award and Mr. > Bios. I could get an AMI bios, but I'll have to go out of my way on it, > probably to another vendor. Does anyone have any compatibility info > about the Award BIOS and FreeBSD? Why award? I would personally prefer Mr. bios - I just like the look and ease of use. > > BTW, I'll be using SCSI only, using Tyan's own NCR based SCSI controller > (cheap). > > ========================================================================== > Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu, I run FreeBSD-current on n3lxx + Journey2 > > Three Accounts for the Super-users in the sky, > Seven for the Operators in their halls of fame, > Nine for Ordinary Users doomed to crie, > One for the Illegal Cracker with his evil game > In the Domains of Internet where the data lie. > One Account to rule them all, One Account to watch them, > One Account to make them all and in the network bind them. > > >