From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 12 00:50:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA03350 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 12 May 1996 00:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA03339 for ; Sun, 12 May 1996 00:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allegro.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0uIVuZ-000QYDC; Sun, 12 May 96 09:49 MET DST From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA29151; Sun, 12 May 1996 09:21:28 +0200 Message-Id: <199605120721.JAA29151@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: [Forwarded e-mail from Alexander O. Yuriev] To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 09:21:28 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org, juphoff@tarsier.cv.nrao.edu In-Reply-To: <199605080727.JAA13921@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at May 8, 96 09:27:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch writes: > > As Mike O'Brien wrote: > >>> Yep, but since it's copyrighted, he rules what happens to anything >>> that closely resembles HIS daemon. >> >> I wonder if he can copyright something I owned ten years before? Seems >> odd that he can do that without having inherited the rights. > > He can, since you haven't copyrighted your version before. > > Anyway: funny story. :) Pity that it didn't make it into Salus' book. It's made it into the new edition of "Installing FreeBSD". > It raised the question in me how many daemons there have been in the > early Unices. Most of our current daemons are somehow related to > network activities. I think, only init, update, and cron have already > been there in V7? And the swapper. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 12 07:20:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA22419 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 12 May 1996 07:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA22382 for ; Sun, 12 May 1996 07:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allegro.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0uIbzx-000QYDC; Sun, 12 May 96 16:19 MET DST From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA12804 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 12 May 1996 16:14:09 +0200 Message-Id: <199605121414.QAA12804@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: UNIX System To: rnordier@iafrica.com (Robert Nordier) Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 16:12:53 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Questions), chat@allegro.lemis.de Reply-To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605121356.PAA07602@eac.iafrica.com> from "Robert Nordier" at May 12, 96 03:56:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Robert Nordier writes: > > Greg Lehey wrote: >> >> Hugh D. McVicker writes: >>> >>> Is Freebsd a UNIX operating system for PCs? >> >> Yes and no. FreeBSD is derived from UNIX, but as of a couple of years >> ago, the term "UNIX" is a trade mark, not a description of an >> operating system. As a result, FreeBSD many not be called UNIX. I'm >> still wondering, however, whether it may not be called "Berkeley >> UNIX". > > Does 'Unix as trademark' really date back only a couple of years? > > I have a series of P.J. Plauger articles (Computer Language, 1988-9) > in which he discusses protecting intellectual property. He writes: > > If you play fast and loose with the UNIX name in any of your > ads, you will get a letter from AT&T. The letter will remind > you that UNIX is a proprietary etc., etc., and suggest ways > you should refer to it in the future so as not to introduce > the least element of uncertainty in the minds of readers of > your ads.... They have a copy of the letter in their files > to prove they are assiduously defending their trademark. > > Since Bill's articles were the only reason I ever bought 'Computer > Language' (after the defection of Stan Kelly-Bootle) anyway, I'd > hate to think he's been misleading me all this time. 8) Sorry, I expressed myself badly. Yes, of course UNIX (not Unix) has been a trademark of its owners for decades. I was referring to the fact that BSD may no longer be called UNIX, whereas older versions were. 4.3BSD was definitely UNIX, but 4.4BSD isn't. That change goes back to about the Net/2 times, I'd say. I'm copying this one to chat, since I can imagine that there could be significant followup. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 12 13:54:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA14343 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 12 May 1996 13:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (root@grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14310 Sun, 12 May 1996 13:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (mark@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00658; Sun, 12 May 1996 22:53:59 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199605122053.WAA00658@grumble.grondar.za> To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG cc: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami), ache@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LESS cleanup? Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 22:53:58 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > #define quoting(Satoshi Asami) > // * +.if defined(COLOUR_LESS) && ${COLOUR_LESS} == YES > > Does this mean it will make a color version of less, or > that it will make color-less version of less ? :) It means it will make the colour version of less. It replaces the color: target of less, avoiding the necessity of having to go ``make color'' if you want colour less. M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grondar.za for PGP key From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 12 16:05:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA22168 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 12 May 1996 16:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jolt.eng.umd.edu (jolt.eng.umd.edu [129.2.102.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA22134 Sun, 12 May 1996 16:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gilligan.eng.umd.edu (gilligan.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.205]) by jolt.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA10833; Sun, 12 May 1996 19:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chuckr@localhost) by gilligan.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA30199; Sun, 12 May 1996 19:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 19:04:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@gilligan.eng.umd.edu To: Mark Murray cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, Satoshi Asami , ache@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LESS cleanup? In-Reply-To: <199605122053.WAA00658@grumble.grondar.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 12 May 1996, Mark Murray wrote: > Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > > #define quoting(Satoshi Asami) > > // * +.if defined(COLOUR_LESS) && ${COLOUR_LESS} == YES > > > > Does this mean it will make a color version of less, or > > that it will make color-less version of less ? :) > > It means it will make the colour version of less. It replaces > the color: target of less, avoiding the necessity of having to > go ``make color'' if you want colour less. OK, I played with the color less ... I did an ls |less, and since I'm using a color version of ls, colors came out. What surprised me is that the columns were all messed up. Do you think less is misinterpreting the color escape sequences as taking tab positions? Does anyone know of a reference to what those color sequences are? > > M > -- > Mark Murray > 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa > +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 > Finger mark@grondar.za for PGP key > ========================================================================== Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu, I run FreeBSD-current on n3lxx + Journey2 Three Accounts for the Super-users in the sky, Seven for the Operators in their halls of fame, Nine for Ordinary Users doomed to crie, One for the Illegal Cracker with his evil game In the Domains of Internet where the data lie. One Account to rule them all, One Account to watch them, One Account to make them all and in the network bind them. From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 12 19:11:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA03929 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 12 May 1996 19:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03923 for ; Sun, 12 May 1996 19:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zot.io.org (taob@zot.io.org [198.133.36.82]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA02131; Sun, 12 May 1996 22:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 22:09:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: Joerg Wunsch cc: FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: The size of the daemon plushie.. In-Reply-To: <199605100714.JAA23844@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 10 May 1996, J Wunsch wrote: > > This translates into ~ 30 cm for the bigger part of the world. :-)) > (Maybe 35, it's been a while ago i've seen him last.) What sort of pose is he in? Or is that yet to be finalized? I'm thinking *real* hard about buying one... at $60US it better be like a Gund or better. :) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 12 21:01:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA11090 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 12 May 1996 21:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA11084 Sun, 12 May 1996 21:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA01635; Sun, 12 May 1996 21:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 21:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605130401.VAA01635@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: chuckr@Glue.umd.edu CC: mark@grondar.za, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, ache@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from Chuck Robey on Sun, 12 May 1996 19:04:55 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: LESS cleanup? From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * OK, I played with the color less ... I did an ls |less, and since I'm * using a color version of ls, colors came out. What surprised me is that * the columns were all messed up. Do you think less is misinterpreting the * color escape sequences as taking tab positions? Yes. Take a look at the patch (files/patch-ab), it just lets the Esc pass through (at least I think that's what it's doing...). It should * Does anyone know of a reference to what those color sequences are? I guess it's ANSI one thing or another 'cause they are usually called "ANSI color sequences". They are Esc '[' '3' c 'm' to set the foreground, and Esc '[' '4' c 'm' to set the background where c is the color code 0-7, where it's usually that 1 is red, 2 is green, 4 is blue and other numbers are bitwise OR's of the three colors. There is also an Esc '[' m to reset the color to the default. (Actually it resets everything, like blink/bold/underline etc., which can be accessed by using digits other than '3' and '4' after the '['). Satoshi "no I didn't invent colorls, I just implemented it" From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 13 02:44:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA07831 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 02:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aic.net (AIC.NET [194.67.30.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA07764 Mon, 13 May 1996 02:43:44 -0700 (PDT) From: edd@aic.net Received: by aic.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA09869; Mon, 13 May 1996 13:42:16 +0400 (AMST) Message-Id: <199605130942.NAA09869@aic.net> Subject: Re: UNIX System To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 13:42:16 +0400 (AMST) Cc: rnordier@iafrica.com, questions@freebsd.org, chat@allegro.lemis.de In-Reply-To: <199605121414.QAA12804@allegro.lemis.de> from "Greg Lehey" at May 12, 96 04:12:53 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hallo, > >> Yes and no. FreeBSD is derived from UNIX, but as of a couple of years > >> ago, the term "UNIX" is a trade mark, not a description of an > >> operating system. As a result, FreeBSD many not be called UNIX. I'm It is trademark and it is name of an operating system. Of course, FreeBSD doesn't certified by X/Open, but it doesn't matter, IMHO. > >> still wondering, however, whether it may not be called "Berkeley > >> UNIX". I think there are no such thing as "Berkeley UNIX". If you refer to BSD, you have to write BSD (and indicate release), not UNIX. Because "UNIX" originally referred to System V, again, IMHO. > > > > Does 'Unix as trademark' really date back only a couple of years? yeah. starting from 1969 :) > I'm copying this one to chat, since I can imagine that there could be > significant followup. It will. -edd -- The flight control software for the entire U.S. Space Shuttle program is roughly 500,000 lines of code, or 1/29th the size of Windows 95. From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 13 06:43:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA21173 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 06:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA21165 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 06:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id IAA04713; Mon, 13 May 1996 08:42:31 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199605131342.IAA04713@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 08:42:31 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, asami@cs.berkeley.edu In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at May 11, 96 05:08:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Sat, 11 May 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > > > I can only imagine the associated 30-day-long fsck. > > If you have 3TB of dirty filesystems chock full of files to check, > it may be prudent to replace fsck with newfs in /etc/rc, if only to > preserve your sanity. ;-) Be thankful our newfs is _fast_... :-) the one in Slowaris is slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwww... There is definitely an advantage in parallelism within your filesystems. It is an impressive sight to see news.sol.net first fsck /, /usr, and then /var, and then watch a dozen drives suddenly chime in with a massively parallel fsck :-) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 13 09:19:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA02013 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 09:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02008 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 09:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA21297; Mon, 13 May 1996 12:11:49 -0400 From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199605131611.MAA21297@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Re: UNIX System To: edd@aic.net Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 12:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605130942.NAA09869@aic.net> from "edd@aic.net" at May 13, 96 01:42:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > Hallo, > > > >> Yes and no. FreeBSD is derived from UNIX, but as of a couple of years > > >> ago, the term "UNIX" is a trade mark, not a description of an > > >> operating system. As a result, FreeBSD many not be called UNIX. I'm > > It is trademark and it is name of an operating system. > Of course, FreeBSD doesn't certified by X/Open, but it doesn't matter, IMHO. > > > >> still wondering, however, whether it may not be called "Berkeley > > >> UNIX". > > I think there are no such thing as "Berkeley UNIX". If you refer to > BSD, you have to write BSD (and indicate release), > not UNIX. Because "UNIX" originally referred > to System V, again, IMHO. Didn't UNIX (tm) refer to the Unix (tm) Operating System from the time it went from UNICS to Unix. Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | 17 Meredith Drive, Tinton Falls, NJ 07724, 908-389-3592 | pechter@shell.monmouth.com I'll run Win96 on my box when you pry the keyboard from my cold, dead hands. FreeBSD, OS/2, CP/M, RT11, spoken here. From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 13 09:25:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA02671 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 09:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aic.net (AIC.NET [194.67.30.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02637 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 09:25:10 -0700 (PDT) From: edd@aic.net Received: by aic.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA00376; Mon, 13 May 1996 20:22:24 +0400 (AMST) Message-Id: <199605131622.UAA00376@aic.net> Subject: Re: UNIX System To: pechter@shell.monmouth.com (Bill/Carolyn Pechter) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 20:22:24 +0400 (AMST) Cc: edd@aic.net, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605131611.MAA21297@shell.monmouth.com> from "Bill/Carolyn Pechter" at May 13, 96 12:11:48 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I think there are no such thing as "Berkeley UNIX". If you refer to > > BSD, you have to write BSD (and indicate release), > > not UNIX. Because "UNIX" originally referred > > to System V, again, IMHO. > > Didn't UNIX (tm) refer to the Unix (tm) Operating System from the time it > went from UNICS to Unix. Maybe.... Multi-cs -> Uni-x That's the truth :) -edd -- The flight control software for the entire U.S. Space Shuttle program is roughly 500,000 lines of code, or 1/29th the size of Windows 95... From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 13 10:59:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA08863 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 10:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08855 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 10:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA28017; Mon, 13 May 1996 13:54:07 -0400 From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199605131754.NAA28017@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Re: UNIX System To: edd@aic.net Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 13:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605131622.UAA00376@aic.net> from "edd@aic.net" at May 13, 96 08:22:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > I think there are no such thing as "Berkeley UNIX". If you refer to > > > BSD, you have to write BSD (and indicate release), > > > not UNIX. Because "UNIX" originally referred > > > to System V, again, IMHO. > > > > Didn't UNIX (tm) refer to the Unix (tm) Operating System from the time it > > went from UNICS to Unix. > > Maybe.... > > > Multi-cs -> Uni-x > > That's the truth :) > > -edd 'Could've sworn it went Multics-->Unics-->UNIX Uniplexed information and computer system or something like that. Someone with a Unix history library handy (I'm at work -- unfortunatly and won't be home for another 8-10 hours) check Libes "Life with Unix" and Salus "25 Years of Unix." (Titles recounted from memory...) Bill (an old Unix history teacher) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | 17 Meredith Drive, Tinton Falls, NJ 07724, 908-389-3592 | pechter@shell.monmouth.com I'll run Win96 on my box when you pry the keyboard from my cold, dead hands. FreeBSD, OS/2, CP/M, RT11, spoken here. From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 13 11:21:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA10621 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 11:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10341 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 11:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id SAA14520 ; Mon, 13 May 1996 18:50:08 +0100 (BST) To: Brian Tao cc: FREEBSD-CHAT-L , Joe Greco , asami@cs.berkeley.edu From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 11 May 1996 17:08:06 EDT." Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 18:50:08 +0100 Message-ID: <14518.832009808@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Tao wrote in message ID : > On Sat, 11 May 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > > > I can only imagine the associated 30-day-long fsck. > If you have 3TB of dirty filesystems chock full of files to check, > it may be prudent to replace fsck with newfs in /etc/rc, if only to > preserve your sanity. ;-) No, it gives you the incentive to remove the last few problems which cause FreeBSD to ``exit in an uncontrolled manner'', doesn't it ? :-) Just think, a few people with 3TB filesystems and we'd be rock solid :-) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD - Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info. From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 13 13:27:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA19291 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 13:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19282 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 13:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zot.io.org (taob@zot.io.org [198.133.36.82]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA07562; Mon, 13 May 1996 16:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 16:24:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: Joe Greco cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, asami@cs.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) In-Reply-To: <199605131342.IAA04713@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 13 May 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > Be thankful our newfs is _fast_... :-) the one in Slowaris is > slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwww... Even Sun rates their fsck at "10 minutes per gigabyte"... that would mean a 3-hour fsck on my news server with Solaris. :-/ OTOH, they have ODS 3.0 with journalled file systems which pretty much eliminates boot up delays caused by inconsistent filesystems. > There is definitely an advantage in parallelism within your > filesystems. It is an impressive sight to see news.sol.net first fsck > /, /usr, and then /var, and then watch a dozen drives suddenly chime > in with a massively parallel fsck :-) Waitaminute.... does it do this by default? It takes 10 minutes to fsck the news server filesystems, and I'm pretty sure it only does one drive at a time. It would be great if multiple fsck's could run in parallel. Maybe my /etc/fstab isn't setup correctly? /dev/sd0a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd0s1e /usr ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd0s1f /var ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd1s1e /usr/local ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd2s1e /var/spool/news ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd3s1e /var/spool/news/alt ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd4s1e /var/spool/news/alt/binaries ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd5s1e /var/spool/news/over.db ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd6s1e /var/spool/news/comp ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd6s1f /var/spool/news/soc ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd7s1e /var/spool/news/misc ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd7s1f /var/spool/news/rec ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd8s1e /var/spool/news/out.going ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd8s1f /var/spool/uucp ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd0s1b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/sd2s1b none swap sw 0 0 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 13 13:48:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA21110 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 13:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21101 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 13:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id PAA05730; Mon, 13 May 1996 15:34:06 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199605132034.PAA05730@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 15:34:05 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, asami@cs.berkeley.edu In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at May 13, 96 04:24:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Mon, 13 May 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > > > Be thankful our newfs is _fast_... :-) the one in Slowaris is > > slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwww... > > Even Sun rates their fsck at "10 minutes per gigabyte"... that > would mean a 3-hour fsck on my news server with Solaris. :-/ OTOH, > they have ODS 3.0 with journalled file systems which pretty much > eliminates boot up delays caused by inconsistent filesystems. They also have PrestoServe, which doesn't incur an additional speed penalty on news filesystems... :-) I'm not overly impressed with the SCSI I/O on a Sun. It "feels" slow. > > There is definitely an advantage in parallelism within your > > filesystems. It is an impressive sight to see news.sol.net first fsck > > /, /usr, and then /var, and then watch a dozen drives suddenly chime > > in with a massively parallel fsck :-) > > Waitaminute.... does it do this by default? It takes 10 minutes > to fsck the news server filesystems, and I'm pretty sure it only does > one drive at a time. It would be great if multiple fsck's could run > in parallel. Maybe my /etc/fstab isn't setup correctly? > > /dev/sd0a / ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd0s1e /usr ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd0s1f /var ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd1s1e /usr/local ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd2s1e /var/spool/news ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd3s1e /var/spool/news/alt ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd4s1e /var/spool/news/alt/binaries ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd5s1e /var/spool/news/over.db ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd6s1e /var/spool/news/comp ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd6s1f /var/spool/news/soc ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd7s1e /var/spool/news/misc ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd7s1f /var/spool/news/rec ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd8s1e /var/spool/news/out.going ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd8s1f /var/spool/uucp ufs rw 1 1 > > /dev/sd0s1b none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/sd2s1b none swap sw 0 0 > > proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 Uh, buddy, RTFM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-) :-) :-) hummin# cat /etc/fstab /dev/sd0a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd0s1e /usr ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd0s1b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/sd1s1e /var ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd1s1f /var/spool ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd2s1e /usr/local ufs rw 1 2 /dev/sd12s1e /nfs ufs rw 1 2 /dev/sd13s1e /nov ufs rw 1 2 /dev/sd10s1e /nov/.0 ufs rw 1 2 /dev/sd22s1e /news ufs rw 1 2 /dev/sd14s1e /news/.0 ufs rw 1 2 /dev/sd15s1e /news/.1 ufs rw 1 2 /dev/sd11s1e /news/.2 ufs rw 1 2 /dev/sd21s1e /news/.3 ufs rw 1 2 /dev/sd20s1e /news/.4 ufs rw 1 2 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 I will leave the difference to the reader to find. Note this doesn't include my ccd partition which I set up and fsck separately because I was too lazy to go and integrate it. It's almost fun to watch it fsck, except the fact you have to fsck implies you crashed, which _isn't_ fun. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 13 13:51:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA21337 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 13:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21329 Mon, 13 May 1996 13:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zot.io.org (taob@zot.io.org [198.133.36.82]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA07756; Mon, 13 May 1996 16:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 16:49:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-CHAT-L cc: jkh@freebsd.org Subject: Marathon ][ Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Did someone port the game "Marathon ][" to FreeBSD? package=freebsd ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/ -> /var/spool/ftp/.1/freebsd/ Scanning local directory /var/spool/ftp/.1/freebsd/ Scanning remote directory /pub/FreeBSD/ compare directories (src 7705, dest 7698) Got incoming/fvwm-1.24r.tar.gz 0 Got incoming/make-3.74.tar.gz 0 Got incoming/marathon2.sit 32162176 <--- hmmmmm? Got incoming/src-2.1.0060C.gz 1029655 Got incoming/src-2.1.0096A.gz 28860457 Got incoming/sliplogin-2.1.0.tgz 40746 Got incoming/sliplogin.lsm 1287 I unpacked it on a Mac, and it is in fact the full commercial version of the game. It asks for a registration name and serial number even. Also: # du /pub/mirrors/freebsd/incoming 1 /pub/mirrors/freebsd/incoming/kkkk 1 /pub/mirrors/freebsd/incoming/m 1 /pub/mirrors/freebsd/incoming/haha 1 /pub/mirrors/freebsd/incoming/elmtmp 1 /pub/mirrors/freebsd/incoming/test 1 /pub/mirrors/freebsd/incoming/warez 161941 /pub/mirrors/freebsd/incoming Someone ought to clean out that directory soon. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 13 13:56:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA21905 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 13:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21869 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 13:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zot.io.org (taob@zot.io.org [198.133.36.82]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA07815; Mon, 13 May 1996 16:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 16:52:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: Joe Greco cc: FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) In-Reply-To: <199605132034.PAA05730@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 13 May 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > They also have PrestoServe, which doesn't incur an additional speed > penalty on news filesystems... :-) Wasn't there talk of getting a PrestoServe system running under FreeBSD? > Uh, buddy, RTFM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-) :-) :-) I did, I did... it says to use an fs_passno of 2 for non-root filesystems, but I figured if I set them all to 1, it would check all of them at once. I guess I'll go experiment with this on our FTP server instead of the news server (which has had its own share of problems lately... *sigh*). -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 13 14:18:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA24088 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 14:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA24081 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 14:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA00293; Mon, 13 May 1996 14:16:34 -0700 Message-Id: <199605132116.OAA00293@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Brian Tao cc: Joe Greco , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, asami@cs.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 May 1996 16:24:07 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 14:16:33 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Mon, 13 May 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > > > Be thankful our newfs is _fast_... :-) the one in Slowaris is > > slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwww... > > Even Sun rates their fsck at "10 minutes per gigabyte"... that > would mean a 3-hour fsck on my news server with Solaris. :-/ OTOH, > they have ODS 3.0 with journalled file systems which pretty much > eliminates boot up delays caused by inconsistent filesystems. OTOH, on my FreeBSD box it takes about 22.5 seconds per GIG which means that if your news server was on a FreeBSD it will take about 6.75 seconds. Now if you parallelized your fsck like someone posted here then it should take less than 2 minutes to fsck 18 gigs 8) Oh, I have 54000 rpm disks ... Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 13 14:38:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA26155 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 14:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26148 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 14:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zot.io.org (taob@zot.io.org [198.133.36.82]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA08037; Mon, 13 May 1996 17:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 17:34:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: "Amancio Hasty Jr." cc: Joe Greco , FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) In-Reply-To: <199605132116.OAA00293@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 13 May 1996, Amancio Hasty Jr. wrote: > > OTOH, on my FreeBSD box it takes about 22.5 seconds per GIG which means > that if your news server was on a FreeBSD it will take about 6.75 seconds. You mean 6.75 minutes (not seconds). :) When the news server crashes and reboots, there is almost exactly 10 minutes missing in the syslog. There are also over 2.5 million files, which probably extends the time of an fsck. You'll note that the kernel panic and subsequent boot messages aren't recorded in the syslog. :( May 11 11:18:14 news1 nnrpd[16933]: myrtle.net3.io.org group io.support.system 1 May 11 11:18:17 news1 last message repeated 2 times May 11 11:18:17 news1 nnrpd[16886]: dbrin.net6a.io.org group alt.binaries.pictures.erotica 1 May 11 11:28:13 news1 /kernel: e segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b May 11 11:28:13 news1 /kernel: = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 May 11 11:28:13 news1 /kernel: processor eflags = interru May 11 11:28:14 news1 lpd[103]: restarted May 11 11:28:17 news1 innd: ME descriptors 2048 May 11 11:28:17 news1 innd: ME outgoing 2035 > Now if you parallelized your fsck like someone posted here then it should take > less than 2 minutes to fsck 18 gigs 8) Well, I fiddled around a bit with options in my /etc/fstab, and I still can't get fsck to run in parallel over several drives. I'm using this on my FTP server now: /dev/sd0a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd0s1e /usr ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd0s1f /var ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd0s1g /usr/local ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd0s1h /tmp ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd1s1e /usr/httpd ufs rw 1 2 /dev/sd1s1f /var/spool/ftp/pub ufs rw,userquota=/var/quotas/pub 1 2 /dev/sd2s1e /var/spool/ftp/.1 ufs rw 1 2 /dev/sd3s1e /var/spool/ftp/.2 ufs rw 1 2 Whether I use '2' or '1' for the non-root disks, it takes 5:50 to fsck the four drives. sd1 to sd3 are 4GB drives, so parallelizing an fsck should have a noticeable difference. I'm invoking it as "fsck -y" as well as "fsck -y -l 10". What am I missing? > Oh, I have 54000 rpm disks ... Amazing! Send a bunch over to Satoshi so we can test FreeBSD on extremely large, extremely fast filesystems. :) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 13 14:49:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA27377 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 14:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA27372 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 14:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA00407; Mon, 13 May 1996 14:47:03 -0700 Message-Id: <199605132147.OAA00407@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Brian Tao cc: Joe Greco , FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 May 1996 17:34:48 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 14:47:02 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Mon, 13 May 1996, Amancio Hasty Jr. wrote: > > > > OTOH, on my FreeBSD box it takes about 22.5 seconds per GIG which means > > that if your news server was on a FreeBSD it will take about 6.75 seconds. > > You mean 6.75 minutes (not seconds). :) When the news server Okay, that was wishfull thinking 8) Yes, I meant 6.75 minutes. > > Well, I fiddled around a bit with options in my /etc/fstab, and I > still can't get fsck to run in parallel over several drives. I'm > using this on my FTP server now: Here is my fstab /dev/sd0s1b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/sd0a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd0s1g /spare ufs rw 1 2 /dev/sd0s1f /usr ufs rw 1 2 /dev/sd0s1e /var ufs rw 1 2 /dev/sd1a /bg ufs rw 1 2 /dev/sd1b /bg1 ufs rw 1 2 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 With the above setup it took 1 minute and 5 seconds to fsck my two disks. > > > Oh, I have 54000 rpm disks ... > > Amazing! Send a bunch over to Satoshi so we can test FreeBSD on > extremely large, extremely fast filesystems. :) The need for higher speed 8) Okay, I meant 5400 rpm. I hope that you have multiple scsi controllers 8) I just have one adaptec 2940 which is adequate for my 2 scsi disks ... Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 13 15:13:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA29198 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 15:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29164 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 15:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zot.io.org (taob@zot.io.org [198.133.36.82]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA08323; Mon, 13 May 1996 18:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 18:08:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: "Amancio Hasty Jr." cc: Joe Greco , FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) In-Reply-To: <199605132147.OAA00407@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 13 May 1996, Amancio Hasty Jr. wrote: > > With the above setup it took 1 minute and 5 seconds to fsck my two disks. Do you actually see multiple fsck processes though? According to the man page, there should be one per physical disk. I only see a single fsck process, even with 9 disks online. > I hope that you have multiple scsi controllers 8) I just have one > adaptec 2940 which is adequate for my 2 scsi disks ... On the news server, yes (3 NCR controllers), but not on the FTP server. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 13 15:28:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA00915 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 15:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA00889 Mon, 13 May 1996 15:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA10749; Mon, 13 May 1996 15:26:26 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605132226.PAA10749@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: UNIX System To: edd@aic.net Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 15:26:26 -0700 (MST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org, rnordier@iafrica.com, questions@freebsd.org, chat@allegro.lemis.de In-Reply-To: <199605130942.NAA09869@aic.net> from "edd@aic.net" at May 13, 96 01:42:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > >> still wondering, however, whether it may not be called "Berkeley > > >> UNIX". > > I think there are no such thing as "Berkeley UNIX". If you refer to > BSD, you have to write BSD (and indicate release), > not UNIX. Because "UNIX" originally referred > to System V, again, IMHO. The term "Berkeley UNIX" was used in the origina daemon book, and AT&T/USL did not object to that usage. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 13 15:31:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA01231 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 15:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA01224 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 15:31:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA01676; Mon, 13 May 96 22:30:56 GMT Message-Id: <9605132230.AA01676@fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.3/16.2) id AA132196658; Mon, 13 May 1996 16:30:58 -0600 Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 16:30:58 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: taob@io.org Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, asami@cs.berkeley.edu In-Reply-To: (message from Brian Tao on Mon, 13 May 1996 16:24:07 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Brian" == Brian Tao writes: Brian> It would be great if multiple fsck's could run in parallel. Brian> Maybe my /etc/fstab isn't setup correctly? Yep. The sixth field is the fsck pass number. fsck runs in order of pass number, entries with the same number are run in parallel. According to the man page, the root filesystem should be 1, so it's checked first and by itself, and the other filesystems should be 2, so they'll all be checked in parallel. You'll probably want to adjust these taking into account your disks and controllers. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 13 15:31:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA01284 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 15:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA01277 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 15:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA00670; Mon, 13 May 1996 15:30:12 -0700 Message-Id: <199605132230.PAA00670@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Brian Tao cc: Joe Greco , FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 May 1996 18:08:48 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 15:30:11 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Mon, 13 May 1996, Amancio Hasty Jr. wrote: > > > > With the above setup it took 1 minute and 5 seconds to fsck my two disks. > > Do you actually see multiple fsck processes though? According to > the man page, there should be one per physical disk. I only see a > single fsck process, even with 9 disks online. > > > I hope that you have multiple scsi controllers 8) I just have one > > adaptec 2940 which is adequate for my 2 scsi disks ... > > On the news server, yes (3 NCR controllers), but not on the FTP > server. Oh, I just crash my system by pressing power-cyle . The first time around I had all "1" on my fstab and it took 1 minute and 30 seconds however I left out a 500mb partition. And as I pointed out even with the extra 500 MB partition my last fsck took less time than my first one so I have to assume that some parallization is taking place. Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 13 15:56:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA03568 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 15:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03416 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 15:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA27176; Tue, 14 May 1996 00:54:56 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA15287; Tue, 14 May 1996 00:54:55 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA01473; Mon, 13 May 1996 23:55:32 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199605132155.XAA01473@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: The size of the daemon plushie.. To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 23:55:31 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from Brian Tao at "May 12, 96 10:09:21 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Brian Tao wrote: > What sort of pose is he in? Basically featured from the T-Shirt / FreeBSD poster version. Of course, he's not walking. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 13 16:13:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA05251 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 16:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05246 Mon, 13 May 1996 16:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA29166; Mon, 13 May 1996 16:11:43 -0700 (PDT) To: Brian Tao cc: FREEBSD-CHAT-L , jkh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Marathon ][ In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 May 1996 16:49:21 EDT." Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 16:11:43 -0700 Message-ID: <29164.832029103@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Did someone port the game "Marathon ][" to FreeBSD? Since I rather doubt that, I've nuked the file - thanks! Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 13 17:00:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA09078 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 17:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA09069 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 17:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA29358; Mon, 13 May 1996 16:57:27 -0700 (PDT) To: "Amancio Hasty Jr." cc: Brian Tao , Joe Greco , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, asami@cs.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 May 1996 14:16:33 PDT." <199605132116.OAA00293@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 16:57:27 -0700 Message-ID: <29356.832031847@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Oh, I have 54000 rpm disks ... Wow! That's pretty fast! You ever try to separate Uranium Hexafloride out into U-235 with these disk drives too? Bet it'd work! :-) From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 13 17:52:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA13218 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 17:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eac.iafrica.com (h196-7-192-134.iafrica.com [196.7.192.134]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA13206 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 17:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by eac.iafrica.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA00745; Tue, 14 May 1996 02:46:53 +0200 From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199605140046.CAA00745@eac.iafrica.com> Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 02:46:52 +0200 (SAT) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at May 13, 96 05:34:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Tao wrote: [...] > Whether I use '2' or '1' for the non-root disks, it takes 5:50 to > fsck the four drives. sd1 to sd3 are 4GB drives, so parallelizing an > fsck should have a noticeable difference. I'm invoking it as "fsck -y" > as well as "fsck -y -l 10". What am I missing? You need "fsck -p". Parallel fsck-ing is available only in preen mode. -- Robert Nordier From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 13 20:08:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA28380 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 20:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA28367 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 20:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zot.io.org (taob@zot.io.org [198.133.36.82]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA10380; Mon, 13 May 1996 23:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 23:01:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: Robert Nordier cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) In-Reply-To: <199605140046.CAA00745@eac.iafrica.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 14 May 1996, Robert Nordier wrote: > > You need "fsck -p". Parallel fsck-ing is available only in preen mode. Aha, that's the missing piece. Thanks. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 13 21:03:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA03819 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 21:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA03810 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 21:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA00388; Mon, 13 May 1996 21:01:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199605140401.VAA00388@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Brian Tao cc: Robert Nordier , jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 May 1996 23:01:25 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 21:01:26 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Tue, 14 May 1996, Robert Nordier wrote: > > > > You need "fsck -p". Parallel fsck-ing is available only in preen mode. > > Aha, that's the missing piece. Thanks. Well, what are the numbers 8) Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 13 21:39:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA07084 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 21:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07077 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 21:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zot.io.org (taob@zot.io.org [198.133.36.82]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA11014; Tue, 14 May 1996 00:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 00:37:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: "Amancio Hasty Jr." cc: FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) In-Reply-To: <199605140401.VAA00388@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 13 May 1996, Amancio Hasty Jr. wrote: > > > > Aha, that's the missing piece. Thanks. > > Well, what are the numbers 8) I'll let you know the next time my news server crashes. ;-) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 14 00:24:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA27247 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 00:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA27239 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 00:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA09338; Tue, 14 May 1996 09:21:00 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA19731; Tue, 14 May 1996 09:20:59 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA01853; Tue, 14 May 1996 09:19:05 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199605140719.JAA01853@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: UNIX System To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 09:19:05 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: edd@AIC.NET, pechter@shell.monmouth.com (Bill/Carolyn Pechter) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199605131754.NAA28017@shell.monmouth.com> from Bill/Carolyn Pechter at "May 13, 96 01:54:06 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Bill/Carolyn Pechter wrote: > 'Could've sworn it went Multics-->Unics-->UNIX No. Multics -~~-> UNIX Read Peter H. Salus ``A Quarter Century of Unix''. (ISBN 0-201-54777-5) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 14 01:29:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA10219 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 01:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aic.net (AIC.NET [194.67.30.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA09338 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 01:28:33 -0700 (PDT) From: edd@aic.net Received: by aic.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA03275; Tue, 14 May 1996 12:26:37 +0400 (AMST) Message-Id: <199605140826.MAA03275@aic.net> Subject: Re: UNIX System To: pechter@shell.monmouth.com (Bill/Carolyn Pechter) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 12:26:37 +0400 (AMST) Cc: edd@aic.net, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605131754.NAA28017@shell.monmouth.com> from "Bill/Carolyn Pechter" at May 13, 96 01:54:06 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > 'Could've sworn it went Multics-->Unics-->UNIX no, IMHO. > > Uniplexed information and computer system or something like that. Let's ask > > Bill > > (an old Unix history teacher) OLD UNIX teacher or OLD unix teacher? :) -edd -- The flight control software for the entire U.S. Space Shuttle program is roughly 500,000 lines of code, or 1/29th the size of Windows 95... From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 14 01:47:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA19964 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 01:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spinner.DIALix.COM (spinner.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA19957; Tue, 14 May 1996 01:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spinner.DIALix.COM (localhost.DIALix.oz.au [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.DIALix.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06901; Tue, 14 May 1996 16:47:34 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: <199605140847.QAA06901@spinner.DIALix.COM> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.6 3/24/96 To: chat@freebsd.org cc: phk@freebsd.org Subject: It seems kinda fitting.. :-) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 16:47:34 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Perhaps I'm loosing the plot, but it seems strangely appropriate that anniversary of CTM starting on the cvs tree and getting to the 2000 mark, that the delta contains only ctm specific changes.. :-) So, 2000 deltas at 4 per day, this must be the 500th day of FreeBSD-2.X going online or something... -Peter ------- Forwarded Message Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 16:16:21 +0800 (WST) From: CVS Owner Message-Id: <199605140816.QAA06853@spinner.DIALix.COM> To: ctm-info@spinner.DIALix.COM Subject: CTM Deltas received ctm_rmail: cvs-cur.2000.gz 1/1 stored ctm_rmail: cvs-cur.2000.gz complete ctm_rmail: ctm: Working on ctm_rmail: ctm: > FS .ctm_status ctm_rmail: ctm: > FN CVSROOT/commitlogs/usrsbin ctm_rmail: ctm: > FN src/usr.sbin/ctm/mkCTM/Makefile,v ctm_rmail: ctm: > FN src/usr.sbin/ctm/mkCTM/mkctm.c,v ctm_rmail: ctm: All done ok ctm_rmail: ctm: Exit(0) ctm_rmail: cvs-cur.2000.gz applied ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 14 02:13:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA22128 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 02:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aic.net (AIC.NET [194.67.30.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA22081; Tue, 14 May 1996 02:12:38 -0700 (PDT) From: edd@aic.net Received: by aic.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA03572; Tue, 14 May 1996 13:05:49 +0400 (AMST) Message-Id: <199605140905.NAA03572@aic.net> Subject: Re: UNIX System To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 13:05:48 +0400 (AMST) Cc: edd@aic.net, chat@freebsd.org, rnordier@iafrica.com, questions@freebsd.org, chat@allegro.lemis.de In-Reply-To: <199605132226.PAA10749@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at May 13, 96 03:26:26 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > >> still wondering, however, whether it may not be called "Berkeley > > > >> UNIX". > > > > I think there are no such thing as "Berkeley UNIX". If you refer to > > BSD, you have to write BSD (and indicate release), > > not UNIX. Because "UNIX" originally referred > > to System V, again, IMHO. > > The term "Berkeley UNIX" was used in the origina daemon book, and > AT&T/USL did not object to that usage. ok. At least in CSRG documentation it's called BSD :) -edd From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 14 03:02:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA25858 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 03:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA25853 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 03:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0uJGvs-0003vuC; Tue, 14 May 96 03:02 PDT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA01470; Tue, 14 May 1996 10:02:15 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: critter.tfs.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Peter Wemm cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: It seems kinda fitting.. :-) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 14 May 1996 16:47:34 +0800." <199605140847.QAA06901@spinner.DIALix.COM> Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 10:02:12 +0000 Message-ID: <1468.832068132@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yes, only more so when you consider that delta 2000A didn't succeed because freefall ran out of disk-space :-/ Yes indeed, the "new" CTM has generated around 4803 deltas to this date on all the four streams. We've come a long way... > So, 2000 deltas at 4 per day, this must be the 500th day of FreeBSD-2.X > going online or something... Not quite. In the beginning there was fewer deltas per day, but more importantly, if there are no changes, deltas are not produced... cvs-cur 323 is from 1st feb 1995 for reference :-) Actually CTM predates our mailing list archives... The first attempted CTM ran back in december 1993 while I was still in DK. It used cvs rdiff and didn't work because of repository ops and binary files. We're talking FreeBSD 1.1 here :-) Anyway, hope you like it :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 14 06:44:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA09993 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 06:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA09988 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 06:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA08518; Tue, 14 May 1996 09:36:39 -0400 From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199605141336.JAA08518@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Re: UNIX System To: edd@aic.net Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 09:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605140826.MAA03275@aic.net> from "edd@aic.net" at May 14, 96 12:26:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > 'Could've sworn it went Multics-->Unics-->UNIX > > no, IMHO. > > > > > Uniplexed information and computer system or something like that. > > Let's ask > > > > > Bill > > > > (an old Unix history teacher) > > OLD UNIX teacher or OLD unix teacher? :) Both... and here's the promised citation... Re: Unics--> UNIX >From pg 5... Life With Unix by Don Libes and Sandy Ressler. The word "MULTICS" actually stoof for MULTiplexed Information and Computing System. In 1970 Brian Kernighan jokingly referred to their two user system as "UNICS," for the "UNiplexed Information and Computing System" since MULTICS seemed to be a vastly oversized operating system by comparison. (Some claim that MULTICS stands for "Many Unnecessarily Large Tables In Core Simultaneously" and that UNIX was a castrated version of MULTICS. Soon after, "UNICS" became "UNIX" and the name has stuck ever since. I rest my case. ... follow ups to alt.folklore.computers... (I know it's before the 1971 Version 1 release. Yes, this was the PDP7 version of the system. Yes, it was assembler based rather than the C kernel we know now. Yup it's not V4, 5, 6, or 7. But it's the real Unix just like the early prehistoric humans are still humans.) Bill Unix Geneologist ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | 17 Meredith Drive, Tinton Falls, NJ 07724, 908-389-3592 | pechter@shell.monmouth.com I'll run Win96 on my box when you pry the keyboard from my cold, dead hands. FreeBSD, OS/2, CP/M, RT11, spoken here. From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 14 07:03:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA11210 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 07:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA11204; Tue, 14 May 1996 07:03:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199605141403.HAA11204@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: UNIX System To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 07:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, edd@AIC.NET, pechter@shell.monmouth.com In-Reply-To: <199605140719.JAA01853@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at May 14, 96 09:19:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch wrote: > > As Bill/Carolyn Pechter wrote: > > > 'Could've sworn it went Multics-->Unics-->UNIX > > No. Multics -~~-> UNIX > > Read Peter H. Salus ``A Quarter Century of Unix''. (ISBN 0-201-54777-5) salus and libes disgree then. looked at libes last night. on p. 5 it has one paragraph showing MULTICS -> UNICS -> UNIX in that order. when i get home tonight, i'll type in the single paragraph and mail it off to y'all jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 14 09:41:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA22753 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 09:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (root@grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22737 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 09:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (mark@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07790 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 18:40:44 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199605141640.SAA07790@grumble.grondar.za> To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Wish me luck... Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 18:40:42 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi I am off to hospital tomorrow afternoon for a wee holiday :-(. Seven years ago I bust my back and neck in a car accident, and I have some hardware in my back to prove it (as though the wheelchair was not enough :-)). Anyway, I'm off to have said hardware removed. I don't mind saying I am shitting myself - I _*HATE*_ hospitals. I should be out in a couple of days in time to have another op - this one to to fix a kidney problem :-( :-( :-( :-(. Sooo... Those of you that pray, please do, those that drink, please have one for me, and those that do neither please do whatever is most appropriate :-). See you all in a couple of weeks - maybe on-and-off before then. M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grondar.za for PGP key From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 14 12:04:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA03511 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 12:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA03506 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 12:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA16682; Tue, 14 May 1996 13:04:07 -0600 Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 13:04:07 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199605141904.NAA16682@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Mark Murray Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wish me luck... In-Reply-To: <199605141640.SAA07790@grumble.grondar.za> References: <199605141640.SAA07790@grumble.grondar.za> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I am off to hospital tomorrow afternoon for a wee holiday :-(. Good luck, and say hi to the pretty nurses for me. :) Nate From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 14 12:15:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA04173 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 12:15:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chrome.jdl.com (chrome.onramp.net [199.1.166.202]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA04155 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 12:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chrome.jdl.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA02583; Tue, 14 May 1996 14:14:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199605141914.OAA02583@chrome.jdl.com> X-Authentication-Warning: chrome.jdl.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Mark Murray cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wish me luck... In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 14 May 1996 18:40:42 +0200." <199605141640.SAA07790@grumble.grondar.za> Clarity-Index: null Threat-Level: none Software-Engineering-Dead-Seriousness: There's no excuse for unreadable code. Net-thought: If you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your Kill file. Compiler-Motto: Wintermute is dead. Long live Wintermute. Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 14:14:48 -0500 From: Jon Loeliger Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk So, like Mark Murray was saying to me just the other day: > I am off to hospital tomorrow afternoon for a wee holiday :-(. > > Anyway, I'm off to have said hardware removed. I don't mind saying > I am shitting myself - I _*HATE*_ hospitals. I should be out in a > couple of days in time to have another op - this one to to fix > a kidney problem :-( :-( :-( :-(. > > Those of you that pray, please do, those that drink, please have > one for me, and those that do neither please do whatever is most > appropriate :-). > > See you all in a couple of weeks - maybe on-and-off before then. Wow. Most unfortunate. Good luck, and a speedy recovery! I'll certainly be tipping one or two for you and your health. Please keep us posted. jdl -------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Loeliger | With a gun for a lover and a shot for the pain, Chromatic Research Inc | You run for cover in the Temple of Love. jdl@chromatic.com | Sisters of Mercy From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 14 13:55:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA10232 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 13:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luke.pmr.com (luke.pmr.com [206.224.65.132]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10215 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 13:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.pmr.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA24893; Tue, 14 May 1996 15:53:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Bob Willcox Message-Id: <199605142053.PAA24893@luke.pmr.com> Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:53:23 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Brian Tao at "May 13, 96 06:08:48 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Tao wrote: > On Mon, 13 May 1996, Amancio Hasty Jr. wrote: > > > > With the above setup it took 1 minute and 5 seconds to fsck my two disks. > > Do you actually see multiple fsck processes though? According to > the man page, there should be one per physical disk. I only see a > single fsck process, even with 9 disks online. On my file server here, I have an fstab setup similar to Amancio's (pass number 1 on /, all others 2) and, following the root fsck, all 14 of my drives begin to run together. Its a sight to behold (though I don't like having to behold it often :-) > > > I hope that you have multiple scsi controllers 8) I just have one > > adaptec 2940 which is adequate for my 2 scsi disks ... > > On the news server, yes (3 NCR controllers), but not on the FTP > server. I am running 2 NCR controllers and 1 Adaptec 3940 with two busses on that system. I seem to get pretty good parallelism. -- Bob Willcox bob@luke.pmr.com Austin, TX From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 14 15:08:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA15137 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 15:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA15132 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 15:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA29081 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 15:07:51 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA15297; Wed, 15 May 1996 00:06:04 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA26173; Wed, 15 May 1996 00:06:03 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA01004; Tue, 14 May 1996 23:17:02 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199605142117.XAA01004@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 23:17:02 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: mmead@Glock.COM, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, blh@nol.net, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199605141522.IAA12962@Root.COM> from David Greenman at "May 14, 96 08:22:48 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As David Greenman wrote: > >> No, it uses the parity bits. Only 8 syndrome bits are needed > >> for 64bit words. > > > > Hmm. So does that mean the ECC is limited to single (odd > >number of) bit errors? > > ECC has single bit error correction and 2 bit error detection. Better than > parity no matter how you slice it. Btw., i'm now working with the new board. Well, uh, it's something like an improvement over the 3-year old 486/33 EISA board i've been using by now. (It's a 586/133 now, and of course, the memory is set to ECC.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 14 15:11:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA15293 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 15:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA15288; Tue, 14 May 1996 15:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA29105 ; Tue, 14 May 1996 15:11:37 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA15320; Wed, 15 May 1996 00:06:13 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA26188; Wed, 15 May 1996 00:06:13 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA01134; Tue, 14 May 1996 23:34:14 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199605142134.XAA01134@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: It seems kinda fitting.. :-) To: peter@spinner.DIALix.COM (Peter Wemm) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 23:34:14 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org, phk@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199605140847.QAA06901@spinner.DIALix.COM> from Peter Wemm at "May 14, 96 04:47:34 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Peter Wemm wrote: > Perhaps I'm loosing the plot, but it seems strangely appropriate that > anniversary of CTM starting on the cvs tree and getting to the 2000 mark, > that the delta contains only ctm specific changes.. :-) This reminds me: Poul, what will happen if the numbers get 5-digit? Will it continue to work, or is the 4-digit sequence number somewhere a hardcoded expectation? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 14 15:21:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA15986 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 15:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA15981 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 15:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA15686; Wed, 15 May 1996 00:21:01 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA26266; Wed, 15 May 1996 00:20:54 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA01722; Wed, 15 May 1996 00:19:02 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199605142219.AAA01722@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) To: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 00:19:02 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: taob@io.org, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org, asami@cs.berkeley.edu Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <9605132230.AA01676@fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov> from Sean Kelly at "May 13, 96 04:30:58 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Sean Kelly wrote: > Yep. The sixth field is the fsck pass number. fsck runs in order of > pass number, entries with the same number are run in parallel. Only two distinct pass numbers are supported, however. The first is for the root f/s, the other one for the rest. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 14 15:26:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA16297 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 15:26:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA16290 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 15:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zot.io.org (taob@zot.io.org [198.133.36.82]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA02876; Tue, 14 May 1996 18:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 18:23:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: Bob Willcox cc: FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) In-Reply-To: <199605142053.PAA24893@luke.pmr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 14 May 1996, Bob Willcox wrote: > > On my file server here, I have an fstab setup similar to Amancio's > (pass number 1 on /, all others 2) and, following the root fsck, > all 14 of my drives begin to run together. Its a sight to behold > (though I don't like having to behold it often :-) Well whaddaya know... here I sit waiting for either my news server or Web/FTP server to crash to measure the speed increase in the fsck, and they decide to behave themselves. :-/ :) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 14 15:32:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA16855 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 15:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16850 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 15:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA03354; Tue, 14 May 1996 15:32:06 -0700 Message-Id: <199605142232.PAA03354@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Mark Murray cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wish me luck... In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 14 May 1996 18:40:42 +0200." <199605141640.SAA07790@grumble.grondar.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:32:05 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi > > I am off to hospital tomorrow afternoon for a wee holiday :-(. Good luck and save at least one nurse for us :) Regards, Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 14 16:48:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA24662 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 16:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24654 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 16:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id RAA11250; Tue, 14 May 1996 17:58:04 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199605142258.RAA11250@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 17:58:04 -0500 (CDT) Cc: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov, taob@io.org, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org, asami@cs.berkeley.edu In-Reply-To: <199605142219.AAA01722@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at May 15, 96 00:19:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > As Sean Kelly wrote: > > > Yep. The sixth field is the fsck pass number. fsck runs in order of > > pass number, entries with the same number are run in parallel. > > Only two distinct pass numbers are supported, however. The first is > for the root f/s, the other one for the rest. Really?!?! That's a little alarming, for those of us who put multiple fs's on the same disk... The Sun implementation allows me to do /dev/sd0a / 4.2 rw 1 1 /dev/sd0b swap swap rw 0 0 /dev/sd0g /usr 4.2 rw 1 2 /dev/sd2b swap swap rw 0 0 /dev/sd2g /usr/local 4.2 rw 1 2 /dev/sd4d /var 4.2 rw 1 5 /dev/sd3a /var/spool 4.2 quota,rw 1 3 /dev/sd4a /tmp 4.2 quota,rw 1 4 /dev/sd4b swap swap rw 0 0 /dev/sd4f /usr/u1 4.2 rw 1 3 /dev/sd4g /nfs 4.2 rw 1 2 /dev/sd6a /usr/u0 4.2 quota,rw 1 2 Notice all the partitions on sd4, a heavily beat upon 660MB disk... I set those up to fsck in order (note the pass #'s)... Now admittedly FreeBSD's fsck is a lot faster :-), but if this really is a limitation, it is too bad.. maybe I will go look at it :-) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 14 17:35:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA28028 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 17:35:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA28021 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 17:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA11231; Wed, 15 May 96 00:34:45 GMT Message-Id: <9605150034.AA11231@fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.3/16.2) id AA092590486; Tue, 14 May 1996 18:34:46 -0600 Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 18:34:46 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, taob@io.org, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, asami@cs.berkeley.edu In-Reply-To: <199605142258.RAA11250@brasil.moneng.mei.com> (message from Joe Greco on Tue, 14 May 1996 17:58:04 -0500 (CDT)) Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Joe" == Joe Greco writes: >> Only two distinct pass numbers are supported, however. The >> first is for the root f/s, the other one for the rest. Joe> Really?!?! That's a little alarming, for those of us who put Joe> multiple fs's on the same disk... It seems OK, though. According to fstab(5), filesystems on the same drive are checked sequentially. fstab(5) doesn't mention only two pass number support, although fsck(8) does. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 14 23:53:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA29816 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 23:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA29795 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 23:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id XAA23958 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 23:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allegro.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0uJaOo-000QYhC; Wed, 15 May 96 08:49 MET DST From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id IAA06695; Wed, 15 May 1996 08:46:52 +0200 Message-Id: <199605150646.IAA06695@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: UNIX System To: edd@aic.net Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 08:46:52 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Chat) In-Reply-To: <199605130942.NAA09869@aic.net> from "edd@aic.net" at May 13, 96 01:42:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk edd@aic.net writes: > >>>> still wondering, however, whether it may not be called "Berkeley >>>> UNIX". > > I think there are no such thing as "Berkeley UNIX". If you refer to > BSD, you have to write BSD (and indicate release), > not UNIX. Because "UNIX" originally referred > to System V, again, IMHO. There are at least two points here: 1. My question wasn't "is there any such thing as Berkeley UNIX", but whether it could be used as a trademark independently of UNIX. 2. Berkeley UNIX (which, as other correspondents have observed, does have a precedent) predates System V by quite some time. According to the original daemon book, System V was first announced/released in 1983. 1BSD was released in 1977. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 15 00:56:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA09088 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 15 May 1996 00:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA08323 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 00:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA01645; Wed, 15 May 1996 09:51:11 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA00972; Wed, 15 May 1996 09:50:57 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA04118; Wed, 15 May 1996 09:20:35 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199605150720.JAA04118@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 09:20:35 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, kelly@fsl.noaa.gov, taob@io.org, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org, asami@cs.berkeley.edu Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199605142258.RAA11250@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from Joe Greco at "May 14, 96 05:58:04 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Joe Greco wrote: > > Only two distinct pass numbers are supported, however. The first is > > for the root f/s, the other one for the rest. > > Really?!?! That's a little alarming, for those of us who put multiple fs's > on the same disk... > > The Sun implementation allows me to do Not only Sun, i did also know it from Data General. I was silently assuming it's the same in FreeBSD, until Bruce corrected me. > maybe I will go look at it :-) Do this. ;) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 15 01:00:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA09817 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 15 May 1996 01:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebsd.ki.net (root@freebsd.ki.net [205.150.102.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA09807 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 01:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by freebsd.ki.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA01063; Wed, 15 May 1996 04:00:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: freebsd.ki.net: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 04:00:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Joe Greco cc: Brian Tao , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, asami@cs.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) In-Reply-To: <199605132034.PAA05730@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 13 May 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > hummin# cat /etc/fstab > /dev/sd0a / ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd0s1e /usr ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd0s1b none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/sd1s1e /var ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd1s1f /var/spool ufs rw 1 1 Why do you have sd0s1[eb] and sd1s1[ef] set at 1? The man page doesn't talk about this other then to state that the root files system (sd0a) should be set to 1 and the rest to 2. Marc G. Fournier scrappy@ki.net Systems Administrator @ ki.net scrappy@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 15 01:40:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA15103 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 15 May 1996 01:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA15053 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 01:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de) by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V5.0-4 #13110) id <01I4QBXZCGJ4000VG6@mail.rwth-aachen.de> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 May 1996 10:15:19 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA07907 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 May 1996 10:19:30 +0200 Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 10:19:30 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Subject: PR article/info wanted To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-id: <199605150819.KAA07907@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear Friends, for weeks I'm trying now to get hold of a copy of that Network Computing (Networld?) article that appeared past year comparing various NFS platforms/performance letting FreeBSD shine in best light (WinNT amgonst the compared platforms). Since it's tough (Friday I'll hold a talk about FreeBSD, Multimedia and Conferencing Software in our Institute I'm in dire need of a scan of that article. If someone who's collecting this kind of information - I'm collecting mails on these issues in a folder 'public-relations' - would be so kind and send me this information or point me to a hardcopy of that publication in time I'd be very thankful. Thank you in advance. --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 15 02:03:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA17875 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 15 May 1996 02:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aic.net (AIC.NET [194.67.30.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA17132 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 01:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by aic.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA02902; Wed, 15 May 1996 12:55:54 +0400 (AMST) From: Edgar Der-Danieliantz Message-Id: <199605150855.MAA02902@aic.net> Subject: Re: UNIX System To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 12:55:54 +0400 (AMST) Cc: edd@aic.net, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605150646.IAA06695@allegro.lemis.de> from "Greg Lehey" at May 15, 96 08:46:52 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > There are at least two points here: > > 1. My question wasn't "is there any such thing as Berkeley UNIX", but > whether it could be used as a trademark independently of UNIX. > 2. Berkeley UNIX (which, as other correspondents have observed, does > have a precedent) predates System V by quite some time. According > to the original daemon book, System V was first announced/released > in 1983. 1BSD was released in 1977. > > Greg > I'm giving up :)! -edd edgar der-danieliantz edd@aic.am From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 15 02:53:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA23923 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 15 May 1996 02:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA23891 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 02:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hda.com (ip31-max1-fitch.zipnet.net [199.232.245.31]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id CAA24249 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 02:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id FAA06903; Wed, 15 May 1996 05:55:29 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199605150955.FAA06903@hda.com> Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 05:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <29356.832031847@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at May 13, 96 04:57:27 pm Reply-to: hdalog@zipnet.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Oh, I have 54000 rpm disks ... > > Wow! That's pretty fast! You ever try to separate Uranium > Hexafloride out into U-235 with these disk drives too? Bet it'd work! > :-) He uses Mobil 1, and is always careful to let the bearings cool down before powering off. The newer ones with the water cooled bearings are a little more reliable. -- Peter Dufault Real-Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 15 06:54:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA19091 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 15 May 1996 06:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA19086 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 06:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id IAA11967; Wed, 15 May 1996 08:52:29 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199605151352.IAA11967@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) To: scrappy@ki.net (Marc G. Fournier) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 08:52:28 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, taob@io.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, asami@cs.berkeley.edu In-Reply-To: from "Marc G. Fournier" at May 15, 96 04:00:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Mon, 13 May 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > > hummin# cat /etc/fstab > > /dev/sd0a / ufs rw 1 1 > > /dev/sd0s1e /usr ufs rw 1 1 > > /dev/sd0s1b none swap sw 0 0 > > /dev/sd1s1e /var ufs rw 1 1 > > /dev/sd1s1f /var/spool ufs rw 1 1 > > Why do you have sd0s1[eb] and sd1s1[ef] set at 1? The > man page doesn't talk about this other then to state that the > root files system (sd0a) should be set to 1 and the rest to 2. Because that's the way sysinstall does things, because my /var and /var/spool are relatively insignificant, compared to the news spool, and because I never noticed or cared :-) The amount of work I put into perfecting configurations is directly proportional to the size of the problem I perceive it to be. Solaria (SunOS 4.1) takes forever to check its filesystems, even though it's got 1/10th the disk that news does, so I put a lot more effort into making sure that parallelism is well used there. News blasts through its filesystem checks (except for /nov which takes a while) at a hellish pace. ;-) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 15 11:28:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA11746 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 15 May 1996 11:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from antares.aero.org (antares.aero.org [130.221.192.46]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA11739 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 11:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anpiel.aero.org by antares.aero.org (4.1/AMS-1.0) id AA00635 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 May 96 11:28:01 PDT Message-Id: <9605151828.AA00635@antares.aero.org> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Anyone noticed that Caldera is porting WABI? Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:27:59 -0700 From: "Mike O'Brien" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I dropped over to Caldera's Web page yesterday and noted that they've concluded an agreement with SunSoft to port Sun's WABI product to Linux. Now, if FreeBSD's Linux support is really good, we'll be able to use that product. Anyone care to speculate on whether it'll work or not? Sure would be nice to quit having to boot my DOS partition to back up my Newton, write my column in WordPro, etc. Mike O'Brien From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 15 11:41:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA12717 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 15 May 1996 11:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from antares.aero.org (antares.aero.org [130.221.192.46]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12586 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 11:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anpiel.aero.org by antares.aero.org (4.1/AMS-1.0) id AA00750 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 May 96 11:36:21 PDT Message-Id: <9605151836.AA00750@antares.aero.org> To: edd@aic.net Cc: pechter@shell.monmouth.com (Bill/Carolyn Pechter), freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UNIX System In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 14 May 1996 01:26:37 PDT." <199605140826.MAA03275@aic.net> Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:35:17 -0700 From: "Mike O'Brien" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As an ancient of days... UNIX is a pun on Multics and doesn't stand for anything. It has never been spelled Unics. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 15 12:47:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA16727 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 15 May 1996 12:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebsd.ki.net (root@freebsd.ki.net [205.150.102.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16717 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 12:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by freebsd.ki.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03137; Wed, 15 May 1996 15:43:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: freebsd.ki.net: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 15:43:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Joerg Wunsch cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) In-Reply-To: <199605142219.AAA01722@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 15 May 1996, J Wunsch wrote: > As Sean Kelly wrote: > > > Yep. The sixth field is the fsck pass number. fsck runs in order of > > pass number, entries with the same number are run in parallel. > > Only two distinct pass numbers are supported, however. The first is > for the root f/s, the other one for the rest. > > > /dev/sd0a / ufs rw 1 1 > > /dev/sd0s1e /usr ufs rw 1 1 > > /dev/sd0s1b none swap sw 0 0 > > /dev/sd1s1e /var ufs rw 1 1 > > /dev/sd1s1f /var/spool ufs rw 1 1 > Now, my assumption when I originally read the man page was that a value of 1 did sequential fsck's, and a value of to invoked parrellelism...is this a correct assumption? or, in Joe's case above, would all of those file systems in the '1' range be fsck's in parrellel, and then all his news drives next? Marc G. Fournier scrappy@ki.net Systems Administrator @ ki.net scrappy@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 15 15:07:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA26911 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 15 May 1996 15:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebsd.ki.net (root@freebsd.ki.net [205.150.102.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26906 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 15:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by freebsd.ki.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA04497; Wed, 15 May 1996 18:06:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: freebsd.ki.net: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 18:06:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Brian Tao cc: "Amancio Hasty Jr." , Joe Greco , FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 13 May 1996, Brian Tao wrote: > Whether I use '2' or '1' for the non-root disks, it takes 5:50 to > fsck the four drives. sd1 to sd3 are 4GB drives, so parallelizing an > fsck should have a noticeable difference. I'm invoking it as "fsck -y" > as well as "fsck -y -l 10". What am I missing? > You aren't running fsck in "preen mode" (fsck -p)... >From the man page: SYNOPSIS fsck -p [-f] [-m mode] fsck [-b block#] [-c level] [-l maxparallel] [-y] [-n] [-m mode] [filesystem] ... DESCRIPTION The first form of fsck preens a standard set of filesystems or the speci- fied filesystems. It is normally used in the script /etc/rc during auto- matic reboot. Here fsck reads the table /etc/fstab to determine which filesystems to check. Only partitions in fstab that are mounted ``rw,'' ``rq'' or ``ro'' and that have non-zero pass number are checked. Filesystems with pass number 1 (normally just the root filesystem) are checked one at a time. When pass 1 completes, all remaining filesystems are checked, running one process per disk drive. The disk drive contain- Marc G. Fournier scrappy@ki.net Systems Administrator @ ki.net scrappy@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 15 16:54:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA04480 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 15 May 1996 16:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boner.mrami.com (mramirez.sy.yale.edu [130.132.57.207]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04475 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 16:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mrami@localhost) by boner.mrami.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02875; Wed, 15 May 1996 19:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 19:53:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Ramirez To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: "Amancio Hasty Jr." , Brian Tao , Joe Greco , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, asami@cs.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) In-Reply-To: <29356.832031847@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 13 May 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Oh, I have 54000 rpm disks ... > > Wow! That's pretty fast! You ever try to separate Uranium > Hexafloride out into U-235 with these disk drives too? Bet it'd work! > :-) SHHHH! You are blowing the operation's cover! The world will be rid of all competing operating systems once and for all. One strategically placed burst in Redmond, one over Helsinki, etc... X. -- A student who changes the course of history is probably taking an exam. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 15 19:13:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA12941 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 15 May 1996 19:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA12933 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 19:13:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA00673; Wed, 15 May 1996 19:11:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199605160211.TAA00673@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Marc Ramirez cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Brian Tao , Joe Greco , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, asami@cs.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 May 1996 19:53:13 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 19:11:20 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Mon, 13 May 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > Oh, I have 54000 rpm disks ... > > > > Wow! That's pretty fast! You ever try to separate Uranium > > Hexafloride out into U-235 with these disk drives too? Bet it'd work! > > :-) > > SHHHH! You are blowing the operation's cover! > > The world will be rid of all competing operating systems once and for > all. One strategically placed burst in Redmond, one over Helsinki, etc... > > X. Well, how about a few ftp.freebsd.org's strategically placed around the world -- called it Berkeley's Daemon Grip 8) Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 15 21:06:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA20969 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 15 May 1996 21:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20964 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 21:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from scanner@localhost) by orion.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) id AAA07512; Thu, 16 May 1996 00:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 00:06:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Scanner SOD To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD admin job open. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This may or may not be the best palce to post this. But I know its going to reach the most BSD'ers. Im quiting my job as admin at webspan.net and Im looking for another FreeBSD admin to take my place. If anyone is interested email me at scanner@webspan.net. It's in lakewood, NJ. Pay is good, and you dont have to do any luser support thank god. Any other perks.. oh yeah there just now mocing into a brand new office..sure AFTER i quit :) , this company is around 700 customers, all done on 2 FreeBSD boxes with the boxes built by apache digital in colorado. The main box is the main box it does everything, mail, news, web, etc.. The other box oh man for me anyway is a dream god box. 64 megs of ram, P-166, 3840 adaptec card, and 3 2.1 gig atlas drives, a 17" idek vision amster pro 17 monitor, and a 4 meg vram diamond stealth card, and this is just for a god box. nothing else. Im gonna miss this place :) Oh well like i said anyone interested mail me at scanner@webspan.net Later, -- ===================================| Webspan Inc., ISP Division. FreeBSD 2.1.0 is available now! | Phone: 908-367-8030 ext. 126 -----------------------------------| 500 West Kennedy Blvd., Lakewood, NJ-08701 Turning PCs into Workstations | E-Mail: scanner@webspan.net ===================================| SysAdmin / Network Engineer / Consultant From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 16 04:02:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA18210 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 04:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA17894 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 04:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id NAA19449 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 13:00:32 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id MAA15717; Thu, 16 May 1996 12:59:10 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA01474; Thu, 16 May 1996 12:33:16 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199605161033.MAA01474@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: UNIX System To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:33:16 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: edd@aic.net Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199605150646.IAA06695@allegro.lemis.de> from Greg Lehey at "May 15, 96 08:46:52 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Greg Lehey wrote: > > Because "UNIX" originally referred > > to System V, again, IMHO. > 2. Berkeley UNIX (which, as other correspondents have observed, does > have a precedent) predates System V by quite some time. UNIX also predates System V by quite some time. :-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 16 06:15:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA28703 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 06:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA28698 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 06:15:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chuck@localhost) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA27764; Thu, 16 May 1996 09:14:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 09:14:44 -0400 From: Charles Green Message-Id: <199605161314.JAA27764@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> In-Reply-To: "Mike O'Brien" "Anyone noticed that Caldera is porting WABI?" (May 15, 11:27) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: "Mike O'Brien" Subject: Re: Anyone noticed that Caldera is porting WABI? Cc: chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I recently resieved an e-mail from willows stating that they now had a freebsd system up and had a port of theur TWIN software nearly completed. Willowsis intended for natively developing MS Windows applications on Mac, OS/2, and UNIX but also has the ability to execute MS Windows applications. -- Charles Green, PRC Inc. UN*X System Administration 22 Powell Ave. Apt. B UN*X Security & Whitesboro, NY 13492 Programming From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 16 07:19:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA06035 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 07:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aic.net (AIC.NET [194.67.30.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA05892 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 07:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by aic.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA03879; Thu, 16 May 1996 13:55:29 +0400 (AMST) From: Edgar Der-Danieliantz Message-Id: <199605160955.NAA03879@aic.net> Subject: Re: UNIX System To: obrien@antares.aero.org (Mike O'Brien) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 13:55:28 +0400 (AMST) Cc: edd@aic.net, pechter@shell.monmouth.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9605151836.AA00750@antares.aero.org> from "Mike O'Brien" at May 15, 96 11:35:17 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > As an ancient of days... > > UNIX is a pun on Multics and doesn't stand for anything. It has > never been spelled Unics. > ...indeed. -edd From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 16 11:15:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA21429 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 11:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA21424; Thu, 16 May 1996 11:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA13552 ; Thu, 16 May 1996 11:14:59 -0700 Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id TAA07859; Thu, 16 May 1996 19:13:33 +0100 (BST) To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG cc: phk@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: cvs-cur delta 2003 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 19:13:33 +0100 Message-ID: <7857.832270413@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Did anyone get cvs-cur delta 2003? It never arrived here... 1996-05-14 23:53 cvs-cur.2002.gz applied 1996-05-15 18:06 cvs-cur.2004.gz 1/1 stored 1996-05-15 18:06 cvs-cur.2004.gz complete 1996-05-15 22:25 cvs-cur.2005.gz 1/1 stored 1996-05-15 22:25 cvs-cur.2005.gz complete 1996-05-16 07:36 cvs-cur.2006.gz 1/1 stored 1996-05-16 07:36 cvs-cur.2006.gz complete 1996-05-16 18:06 cvs-cur.2007.gz 1/1 stored 1996-05-16 18:06 cvs-cur.2007.gz complete 1996-05-16 18:06 cvs-cur.2008.gz 1/1 stored 1996-05-16 18:06 cvs-cur.2008.gz complete ( I noticed something was wrong when I logged on tonite to pick up my mail from my ISP and my disk didn't churn like it was processing a CTM delta, and decided to check the log ... just as well I did ) I just ftp'd it manually and applied it (actually by mailing it using ctm_smail to the appropriate alias) and I'm just wondering what'll happen if the mail hole that my copy got stuck in decides to spit it out and give it to me... Thanks Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD - Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info. From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 16 11:38:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA22988 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 11:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22983 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 11:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id TAA07925; Thu, 16 May 1996 19:31:49 +0100 (BST) To: "Mike O'Brien" cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Anyone noticed that Caldera is porting WABI? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 May 1996 11:27:59 PDT." <9605151828.AA00635@antares.aero.org> Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 19:31:47 +0100 Message-ID: <7923.832271507@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Mike O'Brien" wrote in message ID <9605151828.AA00635@antares.aero.org>: > I dropped over to Caldera's Web page yesterday and noted that they've > concluded an agreement with SunSoft to port Sun's WABI product to Linux. I wouldn't be too concerned about Sun's WABI product. No-one I know of likes it, or even thinks it's a good product. As far as I know, it's also based on the Win16 interface, not the Win32 interface (which Willows uses), and considering that MS is ``gently'' prodding people to go use the 32 bit versions of it's products, WABI should be laid to rest now before more people get to hate it. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD - Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info. From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 16 12:37:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA27780 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 12:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27775; Thu, 16 May 1996 12:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA11234; Thu, 16 May 1996 12:35:53 -0700 (PDT) To: "Gary Palmer" cc: chat@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs-cur delta 2003 In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 May 1996 19:13:33 BST." <7857.832270413@palmer.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:35:53 -0700 Message-ID: <11232.832275353@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I just ftp'd it manually and applied it (actually by mailing it using > ctm_smail to the appropriate alias) and I'm just wondering what'll > happen if the mail hole that my copy got stuck in decides to spit it > out and give it to me... It'd be rejected as an already-applied duplicate by CTM, right? Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 16 12:44:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA28302 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 12:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luke.pmr.com (luke.pmr.com [206.224.65.132]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28297 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 12:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.pmr.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA10398; Thu, 16 May 1996 14:38:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Bob Willcox Message-Id: <199605161938.OAA10398@luke.pmr.com> Subject: Re: 3 terabytes on one server? (was Re: more than 32 scsi disks on a single machine ?) To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 14:38:43 -0500 (CDT) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, kelly@fsl.noaa.gov, taob@io.org, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, asami@cs.berkeley.edu In-Reply-To: <199605142258.RAA11250@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from Joe Greco at "May 14, 96 05:58:04 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Joe Greco wrote: > > As Sean Kelly wrote: > > > > > Yep. The sixth field is the fsck pass number. fsck runs in order of > > > pass number, entries with the same number are run in parallel. > > > > Only two distinct pass numbers are supported, however. The first is > > for the root f/s, the other one for the rest. > > Really?!?! That's a little alarming, for those of us who put multiple fs's > on the same disk... > > The Sun implementation allows me to do > > /dev/sd0a / 4.2 rw 1 1 > /dev/sd0b swap swap rw 0 0 > /dev/sd0g /usr 4.2 rw 1 2 > /dev/sd2b swap swap rw 0 0 > /dev/sd2g /usr/local 4.2 rw 1 2 > /dev/sd4d /var 4.2 rw 1 5 > /dev/sd3a /var/spool 4.2 quota,rw 1 3 > /dev/sd4a /tmp 4.2 quota,rw 1 4 > /dev/sd4b swap swap rw 0 0 > /dev/sd4f /usr/u1 4.2 rw 1 3 > /dev/sd4g /nfs 4.2 rw 1 2 > /dev/sd6a /usr/u0 4.2 quota,rw 1 2 > > Notice all the partitions on sd4, a heavily beat upon 660MB disk... I > set those up to fsck in order (note the pass #'s)... > > Now admittedly FreeBSD's fsck is a lot faster :-), but if this really is a > limitation, it is too bad.. maybe I will go look at it :-) I believe you don't understand the way FreeBSD actually handles this. (Heck, maybe I don't either, but this is what I actually observe happenning.) After fscking / (with a pass number of 1), it then fsck's all the other filesystems (with pass numbers of 2) by forking a process for each disk. These per-disk processes fsck their file systems in sequence. I have observed this behavior numerious times on my file server with 14 disks and 3 SCSI busses (with disks on them, I have a 4th with a CDROM drive & a couple of Exabyte tape drives that doesn't get to participate in the fun :-). It is *very* apparent that all 14 disks are being fscked at the same time. -- Bob Willcox bob@luke.pmr.com Austin, TX From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 16 13:46:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA02827 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 13:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eac.iafrica.com (slipper101138.iafrica.com [196.7.101.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA02792 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 13:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by eac.iafrica.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA00908 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 May 1996 22:45:46 +0200 From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199605162045.WAA00908@eac.iafrica.com> Subject: OWL for Willows To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 22:45:45 +0200 (SAT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Following the recent chat about WABI and Win16/Win32, here's an extract from the latest Borland C++ newsletter: > 5. Willows and Borland partner to deliver OWL cross-platform > > Willows Software, the company who standardized the Windows API for > cross-platform development, and Borland International, announced a > strategic technology alliance to provide Borland's ObjectWindows Library > (OWL) as a cross-platform development solution. > > "OWL is an excellent object framework for Windows development, and we > are excited to be able to provide it with truly cross-platform > capabilities," said Steve Champion, director of business development for > Willows Software, Inc. "The combination of OWL's sophisticated level of > abstraction with our cross-platform TWIN APIW will provide the easy, > low-cost solutions that developers are looking for to build the kind of > applications their customers want, and deploy them on the platform that > best meets their business needs." (Borland == major vendor of DOS/Win compilers & development tools, if anyone's wondering) -- Robert Nordier From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 16 13:49:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA03139 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 13:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.hsc.wvu.edu (www.hsc.wvu.edu [157.182.98.68]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA03129 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 13:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jsigmon@localhost) by www.hsc.wvu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA00565; Thu, 16 May 1996 16:50:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:50:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeremy Sigmon To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: nv question (mbone utility) In-Reply-To: <199605151818.OAA01005@god.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk When I start up nv i get the error: cannot find libX11.so.2.0 I looked and I don't have this. Is this something special or is it a 'new' thing in the -stable or -current versions? also you know where I can get a copy of vat which doesn't die from a segmentation fault? thanks ====================================================================== Jeremy Sigmon B.S. ChE | Webmaster of the Robert C. Byrd Health | Sciences Center of West Virginia University | This Space For Rent WWW.HSC.WVU.EDU | Graduate Student in Computer Science | Office : 293-1060 | ====================================================================== From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 16 14:11:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA04644 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 14:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.hsc.wvu.edu (www.hsc.wvu.edu [157.182.98.68]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04639 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 14:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jsigmon@localhost) by www.hsc.wvu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA00734; Thu, 16 May 1996 17:12:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 17:12:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeremy Sigmon To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: nv question (mbone utility) [Possible Duplicate] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk When I start up nv i get the error: cannot find libX11.so.2.0 I looked and I don't have this. Is this something special or is it a 'new' thing in the -stable or -current versions? also you know where I can get a copy of vat which doesn't die from a segmentation fault? thanks ====================================================================== Jeremy Sigmon B.S. ChE | Webmaster of the Robert C. Byrd Health | Sciences Center of West Virginia University | This Space For Rent WWW.HSC.WVU.EDU | Graduate Student in Computer Science | Office : 293-1060 | ====================================================================== From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 16 15:37:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA11335 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 15:37:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11328 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 15:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0uKBfg-0003vrC; Thu, 16 May 96 15:37 PDT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA00853; Thu, 16 May 1996 22:37:13 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: critter.tfs.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: peter@spinner.DIALix.COM (Peter Wemm), chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: It seems kinda fitting.. :-) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 14 May 1996 23:34:14 +0200." <199605142134.XAA01134@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 22:37:07 +0000 Message-ID: <851.832286227@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > As Peter Wemm wrote: > > Perhaps I'm loosing the plot, but it seems strangely appropriate that > > anniversary of CTM starting on the cvs tree and getting to the 2000 mark, > > that the delta contains only ctm specific changes.. :-) > > This reminds me: Poul, what will happen if the numbers get 5-digit? > Will it continue to work, or is the 4-digit sequence number somewhere > a hardcoded expectation? Only ctm_rmail actually knows about this "being a number" the core part of ctm doesn't really know about at all. I'll deal with it before 5.47 years from now, promise! :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 16 16:49:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA17340 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 16:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eac.iafrica.com (h196-7-192-148.iafrica.com [196.7.192.148]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA17302 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 16:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by eac.iafrica.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA00727 for chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 May 1996 01:49:02 +0200 From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199605162349.BAA00727@eac.iafrica.com> Subject: SYSV, *BSD, and getopt(3) To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 01:49:01 +0200 (SAT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is something I've never really noticed before, but there's an actual - and apparently deliberate - difference between System V and *BSD coding styles when it comes to handling getopt(3) errors. The System V (original?) approach has always been to run through all the options before calling a halt with a usage() message: SYSV$ grep -az grep: illegal option -- a grep: illegal option -- z usage: grep [...] But the *BSD approach is apparently to cut things short at once: FBSD% grep -az grep: illegal option -- a usage: grep [...] A look at both manpages seems to confirm the difference is intentional. /* * System V style */ int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { int err; int c; err = 0; while ((c = getopt(argc, argv, "abc")) != -1) switch (c) { case 'a': /* ... */ break; default: err++; } if (err) usage(); return 0; } /* * BSD style */ int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { int c; while ((c = getopt(argc, argv, "abc")) != EOF) switch (c) { case 'a': /* ... */ break; default: usage(); } return 0; } I guess it's only a very minor point, but evidently sometime, somewhere, someone felt it mattered.... Anyone have any why's or wherefore's on this? Is it even an accepted part of BSD porting procedure to go in and change this stuff around? 8) -- Robert Nordier From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 16 19:14:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA28928 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 19:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (pp@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA28915 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 19:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au id <18671-0@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>; Fri, 17 May 1996 11:57:49 +1000 Received: from orion.devetir.qld.gov.au by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id LAA23987 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 11:49:33 +1000 Received: by orion.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-0.3) id LAA05794; Fri, 17 May 1996 11:49:08 +1000 Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 11:49:08 +1000 From: Stephen McKay Message-Id: <199605170149.LAA05794@orion.devetir.qld.gov.au> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org cc: syssgm@devetir.qld.gov.au Subject: Re: cvs-cur delta 2003 X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Jordan K. Hubbard" speculated: >> I just ftp'd it manually and applied it (actually by mailing it using >> ctm_smail to the appropriate alias) and I'm just wondering what'll >> happen if the mail hole that my copy got stuck in decides to spit it >> out and give it to me... > >It'd be rejected as an already-applied duplicate by CTM, right? ctm_rmail will unpack the second copy of cvs-cur.2003.gz over the top of the existing file. Then, since .ctm_status will contain a number >= 2003, ctm will not be called to process it. Even if you ran ctm by hand, it would reject it. It's pretty fool-proof, really. Stephen. From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 16 23:18:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA18324 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 23:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA18319 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 23:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA01717; Thu, 16 May 1996 23:16:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199605170616.XAA01717@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Charles Green cc: "Mike O'Brien" , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone noticed that Caldera is porting WABI? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 May 1996 09:14:44 EDT." <199605161314.JAA27764@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 23:16:53 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I recently resieved an e-mail from willows stating that they now had a > freebsd system up and had a port of theur TWIN software nearly completed. > Willowsis intended for natively developing MS Windows applications on Mac, > OS/2, and UNIX but also has the ability to execute MS Windows applications. > Hmmm... Willows running native Win32 apps on a FreeBSD box that would be fantastic;specially, if they do the port 8) Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 17 07:30:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA20423 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 07:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.hsc.wvu.edu (www.hsc.wvu.edu [157.182.98.68]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA20407 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 07:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jsigmon@localhost) by www.hsc.wvu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA03717; Fri, 17 May 1996 10:31:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:31:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeremy Sigmon To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Companies who want NDAs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone complied a list of companies who require NDAs and thus will not have FreeBSD drivers made for them? ====================================================================== Jeremy Sigmon B.S. ChE | Webmaster of the Robert C. Byrd Health | Sciences Center of West Virginia University | This Space For Rent WWW.HSC.WVU.EDU | Graduate Student in Computer Science | Office : 293-1060 | ====================================================================== From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 17 07:41:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA21209 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 07:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from area238.residence.gatech.edu (root@area238.residence.gatech.edu [199.77.175.15]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA21204 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 07:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ken@localhost) by area238.residence.gatech.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA25069 for chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 May 1996 10:41:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199605171441.KAA25069@area238.residence.gatech.edu> Subject: 4.4-Lite gone from wcarchive? To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:41:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I downloaded both 4.4-Lite and 4.4-Lite2 from wcarchive a few weeks ago...a power outage yesterday nuked one of our 9-gig drives, and a lot of my stuff went with it. :( Anyway, is there a reason the 4.4-Lite and 4.4-Lite2 sources are no longer on wcarchive? Is there somewhere else (preferrably fast) I can get them? Yes, I did look all over the place, and couldn't find -Lite2 anywhere, and the only places that had -Lite had the DES-less version, or were on a slow link, or both. Anyway, pointers to it would be appreciated.. Thanks, Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@area238.residence.gatech.edu Disclaimer: I don't speak for GTRI, GT, or Elvis. From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 17 07:51:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA22112 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 07:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA22056 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 07:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id QAA28346; Fri, 17 May 1996 16:51:28 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id QAA00474; Fri, 17 May 1996 16:51:15 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA06574; Fri, 17 May 1996 16:19:07 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199605171419.QAA06574@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: SYSV, *BSD, and getopt(3) To: rnordier@iafrica.com (Robert Nordier) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 16:19:07 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605162349.BAA00727@eac.iafrica.com> from Robert Nordier at "May 17, 96 01:49:01 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Robert Nordier wrote: > The System V (original?) approach has always been to run through all > the options before calling a halt with a usage() message: > > SYSV$ grep -az > grep: illegal option -- a > grep: illegal option -- z > usage: grep [...] > while ((c = getopt(argc, argv, "abc")) != -1) > switch (c) { > case 'a': > /* ... */ > break; > default: > err++; > } > if (err) > usage(); Except that the variable is called ``errs'' :), this is exactly what i'm doing in my code as well. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 17 08:30:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA24727 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 08:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24719 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 08:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA06720; Fri, 17 May 1996 08:30:24 -0700 (PDT) To: "Kenneth D. Merry" cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 4.4-Lite gone from wcarchive? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 May 1996 10:41:26 EDT." <199605171441.KAA25069@area238.residence.gatech.edu> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 08:30:24 -0700 Message-ID: <6718.832347024@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Anyway, is there a reason the 4.4-Lite and 4.4-Lite2 sources are no > longer on wcarchive? We lost a drive of our own. David is restoring it and hopes to have at least the Lite2 bits back at some point. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 17 08:44:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA25969 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 08:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from area238.residence.gatech.edu (root@area238.residence.gatech.edu [199.77.175.15]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA25964 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 08:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ken@localhost) by area238.residence.gatech.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA25297; Fri, 17 May 1996 11:44:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199605171544.LAA25297@area238.residence.gatech.edu> Subject: Re: 4.4-Lite gone from wcarchive? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 11:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <6718.832347024@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "May 17, 96 08:30:24 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Anyway, is there a reason the 4.4-Lite and 4.4-Lite2 sources are no > > longer on wcarchive? > > We lost a drive of our own. David is restoring it and hopes to have > at least the Lite2 bits back at some point. Ahh, I see. I know how that is...*sigh* Thanks, Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@area238.residence.gatech.edu Disclaimer: I don't speak for GTRI, GT, or Elvis. From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 17 09:42:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA00421 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 09:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00415 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 09:42:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eac.iafrica.com (h196-7-192-148.iafrica.com [196.7.192.148]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id JAA12409 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 09:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by eac.iafrica.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA00529; Fri, 17 May 1996 18:24:41 +0200 From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199605171624.SAA00529@eac.iafrica.com> Subject: Re: SYSV, *BSD, and getopt(3) To: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 18:24:40 +0200 (SAT) Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605171419.QAA06574@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at May 17, 96 04:19:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch wrote: > [...] > > while ((c = getopt(argc, argv, "abc")) != -1) > > switch (c) { > > case 'a': > > /* ... */ > > break; > > default: > > err++; > > } > > if (err) > > usage(); > > Except that the variable is called ``errs'' :), this is exactly what > i'm doing in my code as well. Good to see that someone else is following the One True Way. 8) Regards Robert Nordier From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 17 09:56:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA01631 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 09:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newfed.FRB.GOV (newfed.frb.gov [198.3.221.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01547 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 09:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRB.GOV by newfed.FRB.GOV (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA09103; Fri, 17 May 96 12:55:25 EDT Received: from kryten.frb.gov by frbgate.FRB.GOV (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA02849; Fri, 17 May 96 12:54:25 EDT Received: from localhost.frb.gov (localhost.frb.gov [127.0.0.1]) by kryten.frb.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA18926 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 12:52:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199605171652.MAA18926@kryten.frb.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: kryten.frb.gov: Host localhost.frb.gov didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: how to read "13feb62" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 12:52:49 -0400 From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk you know youve been hacking too long when you read 13feb62 as 0x13feb62 and everyone else reads it as 13th february 1962 jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler 202-452-2831 breslerj@frb.gov MS-169 Federal Reserve Board of Governors Washington DC 20551 Speaking for myself. Others speak for the Federal Reserve Board of Governors From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 17 11:45:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA08750 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 11:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08714 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 11:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id TAA11850; Fri, 17 May 1996 19:30:21 +0100 (BST) To: Jeremy Sigmon cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Companies who want NDAs In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 May 1996 10:31:16 EDT." Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 19:30:20 +0100 Message-ID: <11848.832357820@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jeremy Sigmon wrote in message ID : > > Has anyone complied a list of companies who require NDAs and thus will > not have FreeBSD drivers made for them? >From the top of my head: Buslogic won't release programming details of their latest and greatest card without NDA. (Forgotten the name, sorry). SMC (or at least in the past) didn't want to release the spec for their 100bT EISA card (which had a custom chipset). Xircom (see other discussion) There are others ... perhaps a look through the mail archives (see the search engine on the WWW pages) would be productive too. I think a point to be made here is that a lot more cards COULD have drivers written for them, if (a) a person with the required knowledge had such a card to work with, (b) said person had time and (c) the card was worth his/her time supporting. Perhaps we should support a lot more quirky, unusual cards, but is a driver for an 8bit SCSI I card (no DMA support) worth the hassle? It'd maybe get 2 people use it EVER and would be very slow. Considering the number of people who know how to write device drivers is finite, and they often have quite a lot on their plate already, unless a card is obviously mass market and a lot of people would use such a driver if it existed, it's probably better moving on to other work. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 17 11:45:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA08803 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 11:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08775 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 11:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id TAA11833; Fri, 17 May 1996 19:21:24 +0100 (BST) To: Nate Williams cc: Taavi Talvik , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Standard Shipping Containers - A Proposal for Distributing FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 May 1996 08:27:01 MDT." <199605171427.IAA27070@rocky.sri.MT.net> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 19:21:23 +0100 Message-ID: <11831.832357283@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nate Williams wrote in message ID <199605171427.IAA27070@rocky.sri.MT.net>: > This is not FreeBSD's fault, but the fault of the Internet as a whole. > In particulr, all of cdrom.com goes off-line 3-4 times/day because > Sprint's router at CIX melts down, and it takes a couple hours for it to > come back up. This is *silly*, and I have placed several trouble > tickets with Sprint with regard to this problem. I understand that > these sorts of problems are common throughout the Internet, which just > isn't capable of withstanding the growth/BW it has seen in the last 12 > months. Just look on http://www.agis.net/ and select the NOC page (sorry, forget the specific URL). It's one of the few things that stand out about AGIS ... they don't hide their problems in an obscure internal ticket database. AGIS have problems with routers and ATM links, MCI have problems as they have overcommitted their available bandwidth and are playing catchup, SPRINT have problems with routers and other stuff, the list goes on and on :-( I will say one thing tho. A lot of MAJOR outages are a result of idiots digging up the streets and breaking fibre bearers and so on (or breaking a gas main, causing a major peering point to be taken down, like recently). So it's not ALL technical incopetence on the part of the ISP's... (and another recent one was flooding in the north east US which took down an OC48 bearer ... can't remember how much was affected, but it was something like 350+ T1's, and that was just the local traffic for the ISP, long distance was down too...) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 17 12:14:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA10916 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 12:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10911 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 12:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA05378; Fri, 17 May 1996 12:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605171913.MAA05378@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Kenneth D. Merry" cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 4.4-Lite gone from wcarchive? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 May 1996 10:41:26 EDT." <199605171441.KAA25069@area238.residence.gatech.edu> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 12:13:47 -0700 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I downloaded both 4.4-Lite and 4.4-Lite2 from wcarchive a few weeks >ago...a power outage yesterday nuked one of our 9-gig drives, and a lot of >my stuff went with it. :( > Anyway, is there a reason the 4.4-Lite and 4.4-Lite2 sources are no >longer on wcarchive? > Is there somewhere else (preferrably fast) I can get them? Yes, I >did look all over the place, and couldn't find -Lite2 anywhere, and the >only places that had -Lite had the DES-less version, or were on a slow >link, or both. > Anyway, pointers to it would be appreciated.. The 4.4BSD-Lite and 4.4BSD-Lite/2 sources are currently offline due to a disk failure. We hope to have this portion of the archive restored within a few days. Sorry for the inconvenience. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 17 16:18:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA28261 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 16:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maki.wwa.com (maki.wwa.com [198.49.174.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA28256 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 16:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wendigo.trans.sni-usa.com by maki.wwa.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0uKYmX-000rJjC; Fri, 17 May 96 18:18 CDT Received: from vogon.trans.sni-usa.com (vogon.trans.sni-usa.com [136.157.83.215]) by wendigo.trans.sni-usa.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA19770; Fri, 17 May 1996 18:06:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from shyam.trans.sni-usa.com (shyam.trans.sni-usa.com [136.157.82.43]) by vogon.trans.sni-usa.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA02636; Fri, 17 May 1996 18:13:37 -0500 From: hal@snitt.com (Hal Snyder) To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Companies who want NDAs Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 23:06:48 GMT Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Transportation Technologies Message-ID: <319d0506.12155856@vogon.trans.sni-usa.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 17 May 1996 10:31:16 -0400 (EDT), Jeremy Sigmon wrote: > Has anyone complied a list of companies who require NDAs and thus will > not have FreeBSD drivers made for them? I have been playing tag with Intel for several months regarding NDA over programmer's docs on their 10Mbps EtherExpress cards. Intel required NDA before releasing the 386/486 bug list back when I was at MWC. OTOH, they claim that if I sign NDA and write a driver, I can still publish source for it. We'll see... -- Hal Snyder 847-698-0300 x 523 (voice) 847-698-3212 (fax) Siemens Nixdorf Transportation Technologies http://www.snitt.com 6400 Shafer Ct, Suite 200, Rosemont, IL 60018 From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 17 20:45:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA19904 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 20:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (pop01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA19887; Fri, 17 May 1996 20:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id DAA168570; Sat, 18 May 1996 03:44:55 GMT Message-Id: <199605180344.DAA168570@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "freebsd-chat@freebsd.org" Cc: "gpalmer@freebsd.org" Date: Fri, 17 May 96 23:43:40 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Francisco Reyes's Registered PMMail 1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Companies who want NDAs Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 17 May 1996 19:30:20 +0100, Gary Palmer wrote: >I think a point to be made here is that a lot more cards COULD have >drivers written for them, if (a) a person with the required knowledge >had such a card to work with, (b) said person had time and (c) the >card was worth his/her time supporting. Perhaps we should support a >lot more quirky, unusual cards, but is a driver for an 8bit SCSI I >card (no DMA support) worth the hassle? It'd maybe get 2 people use it >EVER and would be very slow. Considering the number of people who know >how to write device drivers is finite, and they often have quite a lot >on their plate already, unless a card is obviously mass market and a >lot of people would use such a driver if it existed, it's probably >better moving on to other work. How about Compaq SCSII card? I have heard they are messy, but isn't compaq the number 1 computer company in the US? Maybe for individuals it may not be a big issue, but if FreeBSD is to get into the corporate market this is one computer that we need to keep in mind. For instance I was trying to install FreeBSD in a Compaq at work. After searching the archives I came to the conclusion that I am simply not going to be able to install it on that computer (SCSII drive and CD rom connected to Compaq SCSII card) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 17 20:55:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA20578 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 20:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boner.mrami.com (mramirez.sy.yale.edu [130.132.57.207]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA20568 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 20:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mrami@localhost) by boner.mrami.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA16664; Fri, 17 May 1996 23:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 23:54:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Ramirez To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to read "13feb62" In-Reply-To: <199605171652.MAA18926@kryten.frb.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 17 May 1996, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > you know youve been hacking too long > when you read 13feb62 as 0x13feb62 > and everyone else reads it as > 13th february 1962 On an unrelated note, it's amazing how many bugs you can find in a program before you discover you forgot a switch on the command line. :) Marc. -- If it's there and you can see it - it's real. If it's not there and you can see it - it's virtual. If it's there and you can't see it - it's transparent. If it's not there and you can't see it - you erased it! -- Old IBM VM Statement (Scott Hammer) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 17 22:52:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA29275 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 22:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29268 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 22:52:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id GAA16033; Sat, 18 May 1996 06:51:59 +0100 (BST) To: Francisco Reyes cc: "freebsd-chat@freebsd.org" From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Companies who want NDAs In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 May 1996 23:43:40 EDT." <199605180344.DAA168570@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 06:51:58 +0100 Message-ID: <16031.832398718@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Francisco Reyes wrote in message ID <199605180344.DAA168570@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net>: > How about Compaq SCSII card? Maybe sounds like a good idea, but some people in London (Imperial College, if I remember) wrote a driver (with information from Compaq) for their RAID SCSI controller... The reason you don't see this mentioned widely is that they have yet (to my knowledge) get an authoraritive answer out of someone in autority at Compaq about the legal situation regarding the code they wrote. We certainly can't distribute it in FreeBSD until that is resolved... I don't see Compaq being much help to be perfectly honest. Not unless we've won a few supporters in their ranks. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 18 00:53:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA06069 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 18 May 1996 00:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA06060 for ; Sat, 18 May 1996 00:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allegro.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0uKgpC-000QYBC; Sat, 18 May 96 09:53 MET DST From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA19037; Sat, 18 May 1996 09:47:13 +0200 Message-Id: <199605180747.JAA19037@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: Anyone noticed that Caldera is porting WABI? To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty Jr.) Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 09:47:13 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Chat) In-Reply-To: <199605170616.XAA01717@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty Jr." at May 16, 96 11:16:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty Jr. writes: > >> I recently resieved an e-mail from willows stating that they now had a >> freebsd system up and had a port of theur TWIN software nearly completed. >> Willowsis intended for natively developing MS Windows applications on Mac, >> OS/2, and UNIX but also has the ability to execute MS Windows applications. >> > > Hmmm... Willows running native Win32 apps on a FreeBSD box that would > be fantastic;specially, if they do the port 8) I'm on the Willows mailing list, and the impression I got was that some FreeBSD person was doing the port. Anybody listening? Greg