From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 11 06:53:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA13670 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 06:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA13664; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 06:53:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199608111353.GAA13664@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: gimp To: jmacd@CS.Berkeley.EDU (Josh MacDonald) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 06:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Cc: chat In-Reply-To: <199608100720.AAA14202@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU> from "Josh MacDonald" at Aug 10, 96 00:20:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Josh MacDonald wrote: > > > From The Desk Of Josh MacDonald : > > > > > > There are new snapshots available in ftp://www.XCF.B.E/pub/gimp/developers. > > > They compile under FreeBSD and do not require Motif. > > > > Amancio said: > > Curious are the any thoughts on providing a tcl interface to gimp? > > > > This will allow us to have some wild features 8) > > Scheme, actually. (Partly my influence, I'm proud to say). Tcl sucks. you may hvae read _the_little_lisper_ by friedman and felleisen a sequel has been published called _the_seasoned_schemer_. it is done in the same wonderful, thoughtful, style. i dont have much call to use either scheme or lisp, but still return to reading the books occassionally. just for the pure pleasure of it ;) the seasoned schemer isbn 0-262-56100-X jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 13 06:47:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA14137 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 06:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-42-187.ut.nl.ibm.net [139.92.42.187]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA14132 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 06:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jhs@localhost) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA28381; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:46:54 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:46:54 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199608131346.PAA28381@vector.jhs.no_domain> To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: hp mail list From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany Phone: +49.89.268616 Fax: +49.89.2608126 Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ Mailer: EXMH 1.6.7, PGP available Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anyone know of an HP(hewlett packard) self help mail list ? (I'm not rigged for news here yet, just mail, hence cant post this to a news group) Apologies this is not FreeBSD related, so I won't pose the question here, & yes I did browse http://www.hp.com ... a complete waste of time. Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 14 22:21:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA04610 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 22:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA04605 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 22:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zap.io.org (taob@zap.io.org [198.133.36.81]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA03759 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 01:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 01:20:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: "SCO Releases NC/OS" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Pardon me, but just what is a "network computing operating system"? An OS that inherently supports some sort of networking protocol. Maybe I'm missing the meaning of "network computer". To me, that means a computer that can communication with other computers over a network. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- SCO Releases NC/OS The Santa Cruz Operation has made a network computer operating system built on a Unix and Intel platform available to OEMs. SCO claims its NC/OS is the first network computing operating system to run on Intel chips. Other solutions in the works or already released rely on less-widespread processors such as those from Advanced Research Machines, a fact that SCO says makes its OS the first volume platform for the network computer. While other NC operating systems to hit market have been built on specially proprietary platforms--if, indeed, an Internet operating system can be considered proprietary--SCO's NC/OS builds on a stripped-down version of its flagship OpenServer operating system. Customers can use a proven operating system instead of a completely new technology. A SCO spokesman said building on the 1.5-Mbyte Unix operating system will give access to Unix applications as well as to the Java applets that can be run with the operating system's Netscape Navigator client. The operating system also includes a TCP/IP stack for networking. A SCO spokesperson said the company has "half a dozen"hardware vendors evaluating the operating system, and those that license it will begin building NCs based on NC/OS in September. --Jeff Sweat -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Senior Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 14 23:00:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA08425 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 23:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.188]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA08419 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 23:00:54 -0700 (PDT) From: obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu Received: from kongur (kongur.cs.ucdavis.edu) by toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD.CS.2.6) id AA08918; Wed, 14 Aug 96 23:00:52 PDT Received: by kongur (SMI-8.6/UCDCS.SECLAB.Solaris2-2.0) id XAA05670; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 23:00:51 -0700 Message-Id: <199608150600.XAA05670@kongur> Subject: Re: "SCO Releases NC/OS" To: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD misc chating list) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 23:00:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Aug 15, 96 01:20:50 am X-Pgp-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > protocol. Maybe I'm missing the meaning of "network computer". To > me, that means a computer that can communication with other computers > over a network. .. snip .. > > The operating system also includes a TCP/IP stack for networking. I really like where they tout the fact that a "TCP/IP stack is included for networking". Duh! Would they make a "network computing OS" w/o the networking??? I'd say the marketroids had a lot of fun writing this press release. -- David (obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 14 23:09:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA09233 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 23:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from quagmire.ki.net (root@quagmire.ki.net [205.150.102.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA09225 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 23:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ki.net (root@ki.net [205.150.102.1]) by quagmire.ki.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id CAA04421; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 02:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by ki.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA16476; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 02:09:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ki.net: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 02:08:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Brian Tao cc: FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: "SCO Releases NC/OS" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Brian Tao wrote: > Pardon me, but just what is a "network computing operating > system"? An OS that inherently supports some sort of networking > protocol. Maybe I'm missing the meaning of "network computer". To > me, that means a computer that can communication with other computers > over a network. > Sounds to me like what they've built is a distributed computing environment... something similar to what I understand Plan 9 already does? Then again...didn't someone on the list here do something whereby when you run an application, it distributes over X computers on the local network (similar to Crack can do?) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > SCO Releases NC/OS > > The Santa Cruz Operation has made a network computer operating system > built on a Unix and Intel platform available to OEMs. > > SCO claims its NC/OS is the first network computing operating system > to run on Intel chips. Other solutions in the works or already > released rely on less-widespread processors such as those from > Advanced Research Machines, a fact that SCO says makes its OS the > first volume platform for the network computer. > > While other NC operating systems to hit market have been built on > specially proprietary platforms--if, indeed, an Internet operating > system can be considered proprietary--SCO's NC/OS builds on a > stripped-down version of its flagship OpenServer operating system. > Customers can use a proven operating system instead of a completely > new technology. > > A SCO spokesman said building on the 1.5-Mbyte Unix operating system > will give access to Unix applications as well as to the Java applets > that can be run with the operating system's Netscape Navigator client. > The operating system also includes a TCP/IP stack for networking. > > A SCO spokesperson said the company has "half a dozen"hardware vendors > evaluating the operating system, and those that license it will begin > building NCs based on NC/OS in September. > > --Jeff Sweat > > -- > Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) > Senior Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. > "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" > Marc G. Fournier scrappy@ki.net Systems Administrator @ ki.net scrappy@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 14 23:39:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA12218 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 23:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA12213 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 23:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0uqw5G-0008vYC; Wed, 14 Aug 96 23:39 PDT Message-Id: From: garyh@agora.rdrop.com (Gary Hanson) Subject: Re: "SCO Releases NC/OS" To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 23:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Aug 15, 96 01:20:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Pardon me, but just what is a "network computing operating > system"? > SCO Releases NC/OS If I understand marketing-speak correctly, it refers to one of those $300 set-top web-browsing machines that Larry Ellison is so fond of, not a 'real' computer. --Gary Hanson From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 15 01:00:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA20651 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 01:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA20461 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 00:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA28575; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:06:42 +0300 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:06:41 +0300 (EET DST) From: Narvi To: Brian Tao cc: FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: "SCO Releases NC/OS" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Reading the text it seems to me that it is some kind of stripped down thingie menat especially (and maybe only) for running Web browsers and the like (support for java) and maybe also Web servers (built in in the kernel?) Who knows. It isn't clear from this text. Sander On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Brian Tao wrote: > Pardon me, but just what is a "network computing operating > system"? An OS that inherently supports some sort of networking > protocol. Maybe I'm missing the meaning of "network computer". To > me, that means a computer that can communication with other computers > over a network. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > SCO Releases NC/OS > > The Santa Cruz Operation has made a network computer operating system > built on a Unix and Intel platform available to OEMs. > > SCO claims its NC/OS is the first network computing operating system > to run on Intel chips. Other solutions in the works or already > released rely on less-widespread processors such as those from > Advanced Research Machines, a fact that SCO says makes its OS the > first volume platform for the network computer. > > While other NC operating systems to hit market have been built on > specially proprietary platforms--if, indeed, an Internet operating > system can be considered proprietary--SCO's NC/OS builds on a > stripped-down version of its flagship OpenServer operating system. > Customers can use a proven operating system instead of a completely > new technology. > > A SCO spokesman said building on the 1.5-Mbyte Unix operating system > will give access to Unix applications as well as to the Java applets > that can be run with the operating system's Netscape Navigator client. > The operating system also includes a TCP/IP stack for networking. > > A SCO spokesperson said the company has "half a dozen"hardware vendors > evaluating the operating system, and those that license it will begin > building NCs based on NC/OS in September. > > --Jeff Sweat > > -- > Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) > Senior Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. > "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" > > From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 15 05:13:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA04668 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 05:13:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA04663 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 05:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA21939; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 05:12:50 -0700 (PDT) To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" cc: Darren Reed , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ipfw vs ipfilter? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Aug 1996 21:35:51 +1000." Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 05:12:50 -0700 Message-ID: <21937.840111170@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [redirected to -chat] > Didn't all real hackers start out by programming TRS-80's and Apple IIe's > back in '78/'79? I've still got some of my Applesoft and 6502 programs. > I just don't have a computer to run them on. Yeah, that is indeed how a lot started out. I started in timesharing on the HP2000 access system - all you had was a BASIC interpreter :-) Later, when my friend Bruce purchased what was, if I remember correctly, one of the first 50 Apple II's to come out of Apple (complete with tempermental switching power supply :), I started banging away on that as well. Ultimately, the pain of cassette tape loads and the high cost of Applesoft ROM cards (which you were only too cool if you had one of) led me back to the HP and its far faster hard disk - a HP 2888, 50Mb of raw pack-pounding power :-) Perhaps if the Apple had been just a little more powerful, and its peripherals less expensive, I'd be a Mac programmer now instead of a timesharing operating system junkie. A sobering thought indeed. Jordan [Bruce, on the other hand, went on to become positively enamored of the machine and eventually wound up working for Apple, poor guy. :) ] From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 15 09:42:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA21307 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA21301; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:42:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199608151642.JAA21301@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: ipfw vs ipfilter? To: danny@panda.hilink.com.au (Daniel O'Callaghan) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Cc: chat In-Reply-To: from "Daniel O'Callaghan" at Aug 15, 96 09:35:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > > > On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Darren Reed wrote: > > > > > (do we have to continue to embaress ourselves about how well we know how > > to program in real BASIC ?:-) > > > > Didn't all real hackers start out by programming TRS-80's and Apple IIe's > back in '78/'79? I've still got some of my Applesoft and 6502 programs. > I just don't have a computer to run them on. my doctor requests that you do not mention trash-80's the flashbacks are too much to endure at my advanced age. jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 15 16:09:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA02751 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA02719 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA02925 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emu.fsl.noaa.gov (kelly@emu.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.32]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA19052 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:57:57 GMT Message-Id: <199608152257.WAA19052@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA239539950; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:59:10 -0600 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:59:10 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: :-( Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yahoo took their `Powered by FreeBSD' logos off their top-level directory pages. :-( Now, it's Micro$oft Internet Explorer that shares the space with Netscape's Navigator. Oh well. I hope it helped while it lasted. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 15 16:12:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA03018 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eac.iafrica.com (196-7-192-187.iafrica.com [196.7.192.187]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA03008 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by eac.iafrica.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA01128 for chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 01:09:48 +0200 From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199608152309.BAA01128@eac.iafrica.com> Subject: Lunch with Bill, anyone? To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 01:09:47 +0200 (SAT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Latest from Microsoft(R): > The Windows 95 Anniversary is just around the corner. > Stay tuned to WinNews for special announcements to learn how > you could win lunch with Bill Gates, chat with industry > luminaries, and download a really cool screen saver. Seems a fine opportunity. Though Bill _and_ the screen saver might be just too much excitement for one day. On the next FreeBSD anniversary, maybe we could raffle off Jordan for lunch? :) -- Robert Nordier From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 15 16:27:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA04651 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:27:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zappa.cs.uncc.edu (zappa.cs.uncc.edu [152.15.35.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA04644 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by zappa.cs.uncc.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA24188; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:14:47 -0400 From: jlrobins@zappa.cs.uncc.edu (James Robinson) Message-Id: <9608152314.AA24188@zappa.cs.uncc.edu> Subject: Re: :-( To: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199608152257.WAA19052@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> from "Sean Kelly" at Aug 15, 96 04:59:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Yahoo took their `Powered by FreeBSD' logos off their top-level > directory pages. :-( > > Now, it's Micro$oft Internet Explorer that shares the space with > Netscape's Navigator. > > Oh well. I hope it helped while it lasted. > Hmmf. And just a couple of days ago I watched them install from ftp5.freebsd.org onto lobo.yahoo.com. Buncha ungratefuls ;-) James From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 15 16:32:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA05136 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05131 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA00274; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:31:40 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199608152331.SAA00274@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: :-( To: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:31:40 -0500 (EST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199608152257.WAA19052@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> from "Sean Kelly" at Aug 15, 96 04:59:10 pm Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Yahoo took their `Powered by FreeBSD' logos off their top-level > directory pages. :-( > > Now, it's Micro$oft Internet Explorer that shares the space with > Netscape's Navigator. > > Oh well. I hope it helped while it lasted. > It truly is heart breaking, but doesn't YAHOO still use FreeBSD??? One other thing, it appears that Bill Gates is kind-of concerned about free software (per some news items that I have heard of.) John From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 15 16:36:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA05380 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xmission.xmission.com (softweyr@xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05375 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from softweyr@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) id RAA11185; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:36:02 -0600 (MDT) From: Barnacle Wes Message-Id: <199608152336.RAA11185@xmission.xmission.com> Subject: Anyone know of 'Project Planning' software for UNIX/X11? To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:36:00 -0600 (MDT) Cc: softweyr@xmission.xmission.com (Softweyr LLC) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm looking for 'Project Planning' software, i.e. PERT & CPM charts, etc. for UNIX and X windows. I'd prefer free software that runs on FreeBSD, of course, but a commercial tool available for HP-UX would be acceptable. Any help appreciated. AtDhVaAnNkCsE! -- Wes Peters | Yes I am a pirate, two hundred years too late Softweyr | The cannons don't thunder, there's nothing to plunder Consulting | I'm an over forty victim of fate... softweyr@xmission.com | Jimmy Buffett From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 15 16:43:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA07247 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07239; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emu.fsl.noaa.gov (kelly@emu.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.32]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA19342; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:43:48 GMT Message-Id: <199608152343.XAA19342@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA244922703; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:45:04 -0600 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:45:04 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: dyson@FreeBSD.org Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199608152331.SAA00274@dyson.iquest.net> (toor@dyson.iquest.net) Subject: Re: :-( Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "John S Dyson" writes: > It truly is heart breaking, but doesn't YAHOO still use FreeBSD??? Thankfully, yes! > One other thing, it appears that Bill Gates is kind-of concerned > about free software (per some news items that I have heard of.) Hmmm. I might just have to peruse a few articles and whatnot ... -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 15 17:47:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA16288 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16283 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA13906; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608160046.RAA13906@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Sean Kelly cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: :-( In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:45:04 MDT." <199608152343.XAA19342@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:46:22 -0700 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>>> "John S Dyson" writes: > >> It truly is heart breaking, but doesn't YAHOO still use FreeBSD??? > >Thankfully, yes! > >> One other thing, it appears that Bill Gates is kind-of concerned >> about free software (per some news items that I have heard of.) > >Hmmm. I might just have to peruse a few articles and whatnot ... They're using FreeBSD and are very happy with it. Keep in mind that the advertisements change all the time (in rotation) on Yahoo so it probably means that nothing at all has happened - you just didn't notice it before. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 15 18:56:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA19432 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luke.pmr.com (luke.pmr.com [206.224.65.132]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19411 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.pmr.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA04280; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 20:54:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Bob Willcox Message-Id: <199608160154.UAA04280@luke.pmr.com> Subject: Re: ipfw vs ipfilter? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 20:54:48 -0500 (CDT) Cc: danny@panda.hilink.com.au, avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <21937.840111170@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Aug 15, 96 05:12:50 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > [redirected to -chat] > > > Didn't all real hackers start out by programming TRS-80's and Apple IIe's > > back in '78/'79? What about those of us that started out with punched cards on IBM 1401's and 7094's in the mid-60's? In those days you key-punched the machine instructions in the cards (in column or row binary, depending on the machine). Only wimps used assemblers! -- Bob Willcox politics, n: bob@luke.pmr.com A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of Austin, TX principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. -- Ambrose Bierce From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 15 19:08:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA20517 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (root@orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA20498; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (gpalmer@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA28258; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:08:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.webspan.net: Host gpalmer@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: dyson@FreeBSD.org cc: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly), chat@FreeBSD.org From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: :-( In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:31:40 CDT." <199608152331.SAA00274@dyson.iquest.net> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:08:25 -0400 Message-ID: <28254.840161305@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "John S. Dyson" wrote in message ID <199608152331.SAA00274@dyson.iquest.net>: > It truly is heart breaking, but doesn't YAHOO still use FreeBSD??? Yep. And from some (initially unrelated mail) I had with someone at Yahoo, he was positevly RAVING about it :-) Now all we need to do is rave about it in public :-/ Where is our PR officer? JORDAN?! :-) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 15 21:43:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA04573 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 21:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nexgen.ampr.org (max1-138.HiWAAY.net [206.104.21.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04566 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 21:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dkelly@localhost) by nexgen.ampr.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id XAA08372; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:42:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.5-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <21937.840111170@time.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:27:59 -0500 (CDT) Organization: Amateur Radio N4HHE, Madison, AL. From: David Kelly To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Selling FreeBSD to Mac users (was Re: ipfw vs ipfilter?) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 10:12:50 "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: >Perhaps if the Apple had been just a little more powerful, and its >peripherals less expensive, I'd be a Mac programmer now instead of a >timesharing operating system junkie. A sobering thought indeed. > > Jordan > >[Bruce, on the other hand, went on to become positively enamored of >the machine and eventually wound up working for Apple, poor guy. :) ] I've been thinking there is a great opportunity for Walnut Creek to advertise FreeBSD in Mac magazines. Recently a number of companies, Claris included, have started selling very expensive Mac-hosted email servers. The kind of thing FreeBSD does so easily. But the kicker is the *way* you write the ad. Mac users like to be entertained at Wintel system's expense. Say something like, "Now you've retired that troublesome PC and replaced it with a Mac, put the PC where it belongs, in the closet. In the networking closet. Running FreeBSD as your email server, internet gateway, etc. Because a Mac is a terrible thing to waste (for grunt work.)" Might even include a mention of Eudora Lite for the Mac end of the email system. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@tomcat1.tbe.com (wk), dkelly@hiwaay.net (hm) ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 15 23:03:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA09456 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA09451; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA26833; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:02:33 -0700 (PDT) To: "Gary Palmer" cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly), chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: :-( In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:08:25 EDT." <28254.840161305@orion.webspan.net> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:02:33 -0700 Message-ID: <26830.840175353@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Yep. And from some (initially unrelated mail) I had with someone at > Yahoo, he was positevly RAVING about it :-) > > Now all we need to do is rave about it in public :-/ > > Where is our PR officer? JORDAN?! :-) Our PR officer is actually actively seeking his replacement. I'm wearing too many hats as it is, and the sad fact is that I don't *like* doing presentations! :-) I'd much rather go back to hacking code than slides. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 16 00:34:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA14816 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 00:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.learnps.com (mail.learnps.com [205.162.63.217]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA14811 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 00:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omnibot (h218.value.net [205.162.63.218]) by mail.learnps.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA23885; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 00:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608160736.AAA23885@mail.learnps.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Adam Capell" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 00:31:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: :-( Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Our PR officer is actually actively seeking his replacement. > I'm wearing too many hats as it is, and the sad fact is that > I don't *like* doing presentations! :-) I'd much rather go back to > hacking code than slides. > > Jordan ...But we really liked your presentation for mindsource a couple of weeks ago! Adam From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 16 02:05:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA20555 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 02:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lassie.eunet.fi (lassie.eunet.fi [192.26.119.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA20550 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 02:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from key.hole.fi by lassie.eunet.fi with SMTP id AA02332 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:05:05 +0300 Received: (from count@localhost) by key.hole.fi (8.7.5/8.6.12) id MAA02001; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:05:04 +0300 (EET DST) From: "Bror 'Count' Heinola" Message-Id: <199608160905.MAA02001@key.hole.fi> Subject: Re: :-( To: gar@learnps.com (Adam Capell) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:05:03 +0300 (EET DST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608160736.AAA23885@mail.learnps.com> from "Adam Capell" at Aug 16, 96 00:31:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Adam Capell taisi sanoa: > ...But we really liked your presentation for mindsource a couple of > weeks ago! That alone was almost enough reason to fly from Finland to California - even though I heard about the presentation only after I arrived to CA. :-) -- Bror 'Count' Heinola % count@key.hole.fi % http://pobox.com/~count/ Pengerkatu 13b A5 % IRC: Count NIC: BH271 % FI-00530 HELSINKI % Work: bror@sms.fi % Roads? Where we're going, Cell: +358-40-5533-554 % Santa Monica Software % we don't need roads. From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 16 11:42:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA06326 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.hsc.wvu.edu (www.hsc.wvu.edu [157.182.105.122]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06313 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jsigmon@localhost) by www.hsc.wvu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA09740; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 14:44:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 14:44:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeremy Sigmon To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: New installation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am either going to do a 2.1.5 or 2.2 installation on a GW2k monday and I am just probing to see if there are any known problems with this system. It is a Pentium 166 with 16megs o ram (cheper locally than from gw) Adaptec 2940 SCSI Controller ATI Mach64 PCI 2megs 3Com EtherLink III in Plug-n-Pray mode (should I turn this off???) SB 16 Plug-n-Pray Yea I RTFM and these are listed, but I'm not sure if I have to turn off the PnP stuff. Also can you install 2.2SNAP from a floppy image over the internet like you can with 2.1.5? thanks ====================================================================== Jeremy Sigmon B.S. ChE | WebSerf of the Robert C. Byrd Health | Sciences Center of West Virginia University | This Space For Rent WWW.HSC.WVU.EDU | Graduate Student in Computer Science | Office : 293-1060 | From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 16 12:02:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA07838 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk (jraynard.demon.co.uk [158.152.42.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07829 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 19:02:08 GMT From: James@jraynard.demon.co.uk (James Raynard) Reply-To: James@jraynard.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <840@jraynard.demon.co.uk> To: rnordier@iafrica.com Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lunch with Bill, anyone? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 11 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199608152309.BAA01128@eac.iafrica.com> Robert Nordier writes: > Latest from Microsoft(R): > > > Stay tuned to WinNews for special announcements to learn how > > you could win lunch with Bill Gates, First prize - lunch with Bill. Second prize - two lunches with Bill! -- James Raynard From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 16 12:16:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA08885 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08878 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA02104; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:16:08 -0700 (PDT) To: Jeremy Sigmon cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New installation In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 Aug 1996 14:44:31 EDT." Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:16:08 -0700 Message-ID: <2102.840222968@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > 3Com EtherLink III in Plug-n-Pray mode (should I turn this off???) Yes. > Also can you install 2.2SNAP from a floppy image over the internet like you > can with 2.1.5? Yes. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 16 12:30:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA10060 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA10038; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chuck@localhost) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA01810; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 15:30:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 15:30:43 -0400 From: Charles Green Message-Id: <199608161930.PAA01810@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: hackers@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD mention in SunExpert Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk August 1996 issue of SunExpert, "Ask Mr. Protocol", page 18 "Three different, fully runnabel versions of 4.4BSD are now available. NetBSD runs on multiple platforms, FreeBSD runs on Intel platforms and provides what is probably the most robust and capable TCP/IP stack in existence, and BSD/OS, also for Intel platforms, represents a vendor-supported commercial version of the system." Mr. Info. -- Charles Green, PRC Inc. Rome Laboratory, NY From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 16 13:20:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA13285 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA13275 for chat; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:20:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199608162020.NAA13275@freefall.freebsd.org> To: chat Subject: Re: :-( Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > ...But we really liked your presentation for mindsource a couple of > > weeks ago! > > That alone was almost enough reason to fly from Finland to > California - even though I heard about the presentation only > after I arrived to CA. :-) This reminds me of a saying: "There are those who make things happen, those who watch things happen, and those who wondered what happenned." In this case, I find myself asking, "What mindsource presentation?" From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 16 14:33:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA19831 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 14:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19822 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 14:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id XAA26268; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:32:12 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id XAA27744; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:32:12 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA07758; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:10:31 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199608162110.XAA07758@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: New installation To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:10:30 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: jsigmon@www.hsc.wvu.edu (Jeremy Sigmon) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from Jeremy Sigmon at "Aug 16, 96 02:44:31 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jeremy Sigmon wrote: > ATI Mach64 PCI 2megs If this is the recent Mach64, the stock XFree86 3.1.2 Xserver won't run on it. They haven't released any newer version yet, but you could obtain a beta server which will do it on those cards (but has an expiration date to force you upgrading to the next release some day). > 3Com EtherLink III in Plug-n-Pray mode (should I turn this off???) Turn it off, yep. > Also can you install 2.2SNAP from a floppy image over the internet like you > can with 2.1.5? Normally, yes, but i think FTP installations have been broken in one of the SNAPs. I forgot which one, however. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 16 15:42:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA25384 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 15:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA25379 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 15:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allegro.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0urXa2-000QhRC; Sat, 17 Aug 96 00:41 MET DST From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA12186; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:45:33 +0200 Message-Id: <199608162145.XAA12186@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: Lunch with Bill, anyone? To: James@jraynard.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:45:33 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Chat), dunham@mpd.tandem.com (Jerry Dunham) In-Reply-To: <840@jraynard.demon.co.uk> from "James Raynard" at Aug 16, 96 07:02:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk James Raynard writes: > > In message <199608152309.BAA01128@eac.iafrica.com> Robert Nordier writes: >> Latest from Microsoft(R): >> >> > Stay tuned to WinNews for special announcements to learn how >> > you could win lunch with Bill Gates, > > First prize - lunch with Bill. > Second prize - two lunches with Bill! First prize: Microslop Screen Saver Second prize: Microslop Screen Saver and lunch with Bill. From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 16 16:16:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA27013 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from plains.nodak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27006 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA13309; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 18:16:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 18:16:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199608162316.SAA13309@plains.nodak.edu> To: chat@FreeBSD.org, green@fang.cs.sunyit.edu Subject: Re: FreeBSD mention in SunExpert Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Charles Green says: > August 1996 issue of SunExpert, "Ask Mr. Protocol", page 18 > > "Three different, fully runnabel versions of 4.4BSD are now available. NetBSD poor OpenBSD must feel neglected. --mark. From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 16 16:39:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA29116 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from antares.aero.org (antares.aero.org [130.221.192.46]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29109 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anpiel.aero.org (anpiel.aero.org [130.221.196.66]) by antares.aero.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14565; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608162338.QAA14565@antares.aero.org> To: Mark Tinguely Cc: chat@freebsd.org, green@fang.cs.sunyit.edu Subject: Re: FreeBSD mention in SunExpert In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:16:13 PDT." <199608162316.SAA13309@plains.nodak.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:38:04 -0700 From: "Mike O'Brien" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I don't think OpenBSD had announced when I wrote the column. If it had, I missed it. Ooops. Mike O'B. for Mr. P. From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 16 18:15:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA05713 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 18:15:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA05708 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 18:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id VAA26317; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 21:15:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 21:15:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199608170115.VAA26317@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: terry@lambert.org CC: dgy@rtd.com, batie@agora.rdrop.com, chat@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199608161815.LAA03019@phaeton.artisoft.com> (message from Terry Lambert on Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:15:44 -0700 (MST)) Subject: Re: File System on a tape From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [moved to -chat] >> Also, you can't *run* a system off of a tar image (whereas you >> *could* mount a tape filesystem and execute whatever is on the >> tape!) > Uh... I would have to insist on copying the entire image into core > for that one. 8-). > 1: "What's your tape drive doing?" > 2: "Paging from an executable image..." What, and you didn't do this as a torture test (for you, not your h/w) after reading the Hacker's Purity Test? :-) Have you ever used a swap device: a. A hard disk? b. A floppy disk? c. A drum? d. Magnetic tape? e. Punched cards? Now that I think about it, what's some of the more believable/inventive y'all have come up with as explainations for '/dev/drum'? How about other absurd computer folk tales? (I'm looking for things like convincing a user that /dev/null has just jumped the spindle, not whales exploding or mouse ball documents.) -- http://www.wp.com/piquan --- Joel Ray Holveck --- joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu The number you have reached is an imaginary number. Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again. From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 16 20:06:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA10043 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 20:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA10015 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 20:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA03859; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 19:58:48 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199608170258.TAA03859@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: File System on a tape To: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 19:58:48 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, dgy@rtd.com, batie@agora.rdrop.com, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608170115.VAA26317@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> from "Joel Ray Holveck" at Aug 16, 96 09:15:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > How about other absurd computer folk tales? (I'm > looking for things like convincing a user that /dev/null has just > jumped the spindle, not whales exploding or mouse ball documents.) I convinced a user that in order to print a file, you have to type lpr filename -J when he asked me one too many questions that were in his class handout sitting on the desk next to him. I also told another user who was trying to share assignment code with a friend that his home directory was named "~/". ls ~/ See? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 16 20:24:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA11410 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 20:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA11385 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 20:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA03888; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 20:15:30 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199608170315.UAA03888@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: File System on a tape To: terry@phaeton.artisoft.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 20:15:30 -0700 (MST) Cc: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu, terry@lambert.org, dgy@rtd.com, batie@agora.rdrop.com, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608170258.TAA03859@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Aug 16, 96 07:58:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > How about other absurd computer folk tales? Almost forgot the user who always wanted to know "what does that do?" or "what's that?". Really annoying... We had a disk crash on a 10M removable disk pack. When we got the disk out, the surface scrapings came out of the head access hole in the pack. "What's that brown stuff?" "Bits." --- Then there was the accountant at Morton-Thiokol, where a friend of mine worked. He came in and did inventory on everything. About a week later, he came back in the morning and did inventory again. He looked mildly upset, but was tightlipped. He came back about an hour after he finished the second time with corporate security and a couple of VP's, and demanded to know where the $20,000 computer monitor went. Nobody knew wat he was talking about, and he got real upset. Finally, he showed one of the operators his clipboard. Turns out he was upset because he couldn't affix an inventory tag to the "VAX Performance Monitor". After they finished laughing, they showed him the 9 track tape (it is a VMS software product). My friend won "best user story" at DECUS with that one... --- We convinced one manager that the reason his network connection was so slow was that the bits had to go upstairs (against gravity) to get to his office. --- This isn't really a computer story, but a friend of mine was a missle jockey for the Air Force. There was one of the physical security guys who was always taking himself too seriosly (gun on full auto, etc.). They convinced him that the motion detector housing had a camera in it, and an officer was monitoring the camera for five minutes every 4 hours. To show the officer that everything was OK, and that he wan't under duress, he had to salute the camera when he came on duty, salute it again halfway through, and salute it again before going off duty. --- Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 16 21:12:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA13274 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 21:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA13265 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 21:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allegro.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0urcjC-000QhUC; Sat, 17 Aug 96 06:11 MET DST From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id FAA24648; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 05:56:41 +0200 Message-Id: <199608170356.FAA24648@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: File System on a tape To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 05:56:40 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Chat) In-Reply-To: <199608170258.TAA03859@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Aug 16, 96 07:58:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert writes: > >> How about other absurd computer folk tales? (I'm >> looking for things like convincing a user that /dev/null has just >> jumped the spindle, not whales exploding or mouse ball documents.) > > I convinced a user that in order to print a file, you have to type > > lpr filename -J > > when he asked me one too many questions that were in his class > handout sitting on the desk next to him. Many years ago, when Tandem's systems engineers were even more naive than they are now, our Tandem support person came along with his portable TI 700 terminal (remember them? They had a 300 bps acoustic coupled modem on the back, and printed on fax paper). He dialled in to his system in Duesseldorf, and after looking around a bit I told him that his system was insecure and that I could find the root password (simple: it was in clear text in the password file). He didn't believe I could do it, so I did. It was -A. I told him so, and he said, "no, that's wrong". So I logged in as root, and he said, "That's funny, I was told it was -A -M, and that works". > I also told another user who was trying to share assignment code > with a friend that his home directory was named "~/". > > ls ~/ Obviously he never tried to log in as the friend. Greg