From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 15 08:02:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA22173 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 08:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury (mercury.kosone.com [199.246.2.198]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA22167 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 08:02:30 -0700 (PDT) From: yarnbury@limestone.kosone.com Received: from client.kosone.com by mercury (SMI-8.6/KOS-SMI-SVR4) id LAA02397; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 11:00:28 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 11:00:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199609151500.LAA02397@mercury> X-Sender: yarnbury@mercury.kosone.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: WIN 95 Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have Windows 95 this comes with DOS 7 when I install FreeBSD will I have the option of choosing which OS I wish to use please E-mail me back with any Information. James Atkinson The EDGE Internet Consulting User Friendly Service for and ever changing technological world -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Edge is a re-seller for Kingston Online Services and a strategic partner with Canlink Interactive Services -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (613) 354-4443 http://web.canlink.com/the-edge yarnbury@mercury.kosone.com From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 15 10:00:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA29429 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 10:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29420 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 10:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from night.primate.wisc.edu (night.primate.wisc.edu [144.92.43.19]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id JAA18019 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 09:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by night.primate.wisc.edu; id LAA26492; 8.6.10/41.8; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 11:59:25 -0500 From: Paul DuBois Message-Id: <199609151659.LAA26492@night.primate.wisc.edu> Subject: Re: WIN 95 To: yarnbury@limestone.kosone.com Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 11:59:25 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199609151500.LAA02397@mercury> from "yarnbury@limestone.kosone.com" at Sep 15, 96 11:00:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have Windows 95 this comes with DOS 7 when I install FreeBSD will >I have the option of choosing which OS I wish to use please E-mail me back >with any Information. Yes, although if your disk is all one partition devoted to Microsoft, you'll have to repartition and shrink the Win95 partition so you have room for FreeBSD. To multi-boot my machine, which has DOS 6.22, Win3.1, Win95, WinNT, FreeBSD, and Red Hat Linux, I use System Commander. I guess if you have fewer OSes you can use something like BootEasy. From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 15 11:50:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA07973 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 11:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from camitel.com (camitel.com [206.231.119.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07967 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 11:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from camitel.camitel.com (rppp2.camitel.com [206.231.119.186]) by camitel.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13297 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 14:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <323C4F30.3E51@camitel.com> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 14:47:12 -0400 From: Mario Girard Reply-To: mgirard@camitel.com Organization: Concept Camitel X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b8Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: IRC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there, Do you have an ideal about where can I find the best eggdrop IRC bot to work with bsd ? Thanks Mario R. Girard From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 15 12:57:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA10623 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from su1.in.net (su1.in.net [199.0.62.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA10613 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by su1.in.net (5.65/1.2-eef) id AA29157; Sun, 15 Sep 96 14:56:31 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 14:55:59 -400 (EDT) From: Jay Richmond Subject: Re: IRC To: doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <323C4F30.3E51@camitel.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I won't even dignify this message with a response. OOPS, I already did. Sorry. :( --jay On Sun, 15 Sep 1996, Mario Girard wrote: > Hi there, > > Do you have an ideal about where can I find the best eggdrop IRC bot to > work with bsd ? > > Thanks > > Mario R. Girard >  From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 15 19:02:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA03529 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 19:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03518 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 19:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.neosoft.com (mailbox.neosoft.com [206.109.1.16]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA18785 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 19:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bonkers.taronga.com (root@bonkers.neosoft.com [206.109.2.48]) by mailbox.neosoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA03356 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 21:04:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA19845; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 19:06:31 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 19:06:31 -0500 From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Message-Id: <199609160006.TAA19845@bonkers.taronga.com> To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: File System on a tape Newsgroups: taronga.freebsd.hackers In-Reply-To: <199608161557.IAA19105@seagull.rtd.com> References: Organization: none Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You can get an IDE controller and an IDE CDROM for $60.00. And have any of you guys RUN a file system off a tape? I have. Even with DECTAPE cartridges and a file system designed for file systems it sucks, bigtime. And it's also going to put serious wear on any streaming tape drive... they're not designed to go stop-start like the DECTAPEs were. I suspect it'd be a use-once deal. Afterwards, you throw out the tape drive. Yes, by all means have an install from tape option... but it'd be easier and quicker to do it with a floppy boot to a tmpfs file system loaded off the first file on the tape, then just seek over whole tape files to extract particular options. From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 15 19:03:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA03559 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 19:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.neosoft.com (mailbox.neosoft.com [206.109.1.16]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03554 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 19:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bonkers.taronga.com (root@bonkers.neosoft.com [206.109.2.48]) by mailbox.neosoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA03377; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 21:04:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA19548; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 18:46:20 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 18:46:20 -0500 From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Message-Id: <199609152346.SAA19548@bonkers.taronga.com> To: utsumi@mdo.sps.mot.com, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about 5.3.4 in FreeBSD Handbook! Newsgroups: taronga.freebsd.doc In-Reply-To: <32367162.7695@mdo.sps.mot.com> Organization: none Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <32367162.7695@mdo.sps.mot.com> you write: >Hello,I'm a novice user of FreeBSD. >Following document is a portion of handbook40.html > >------------------------------------------------------- >
controller wcd0 >
>

This device >provides IDE CD-ROM support. Be sure to leave >wdc1 uncommented if your CD-ROM is on >its own controller card. To use this, you must >also include the line options ATAPI.

>------------------------------------------------------- >I think 1st line is not correct. 'wcd0' is device >so 1st line is 'device wcd0',I think. Is it correct? I think it should read: >

This device !provides IDE CD-ROM support. Be sure to leave wdc0 !uncommented (or wdc1 if you have more than one IDE !controller and your CD-ROM is on the second card). To use this, >you must >also include the line options ATAPI.

From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 16 06:47:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA04543 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 06:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gage.com (auth.gage.com [205.217.2.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA04511; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from octopus by gage.com (NX5.67d/NX4.2M) id AA08418; Mon, 16 Sep 96 08:47:33 -0500 Received: from squid by octopus.gage.com (NX5.67e/NX3.0S) id AA09579; Mon, 16 Sep 96 08:43:18 -0500 Received: from insomnia by squid.gage.com (NX5.67e/NX3.0S) id AA04310; Mon, 16 Sep 96 08:48:18 -0500 Message-Id: <9609161348.AA04310@squid.gage.com> Received: by insomnia.gage.com (NX5.67g/NX3.0X) id AA00627; Mon, 16 Sep 96 08:48:27 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.0 v146.2) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 1.3) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.146.2) From: Ben Black Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 08:48:24 -0500 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: IP Aliasing HOWTO on-line Cc: docs@freebsd.org Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk http://www.cypher.net/~black/ipalias.html this is the first draft of my ip aliasing instructions for freebsd (i may add instructions for solaris and linux later). it may be helpful or it may be totally wrong. let me know what you think either way. b3n black@cypher.net From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 16 07:27:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA06888 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 07:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06883 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 07:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA18284; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:27:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:27:37 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Peter da Silva cc: utsumi@mdo.sps.mot.com, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about 5.3.4 in FreeBSD Handbook! In-Reply-To: <199609152346.SAA19548@bonkers.taronga.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 15 Sep 1996, Peter da Silva wrote: > I think it should read: > > >

This device > !provides IDE CD-ROM support. Be sure to leave wdc0 > !uncommented (or wdc1 if you have more than one IDE > !controller and your CD-ROM is on the second card). To use this, > >you must > >also include the line options ATAPI.

Fixed, thanks. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 16 12:50:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA02715 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alaska.net (root@calvino.alaska.net [206.149.65.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02708; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hmmm.alaska.net by alaska.net (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA19518; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 11:49:44 -0800 Message-Id: <323D8EA0.1D29@alaska.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:30:08 -0700 From: hmmm X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Black Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org, docs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: IP Aliasing HOWTO on-line References: <9609161348.AA04310@squid.gage.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ben Black wrote: > > http://www.cypher.net/~black/ipalias.html cool! now how will users find things like this down the road? i'm doing something similiar ... From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 16 15:26:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA14616 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alaska.net (root@calvino.alaska.net [206.149.65.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14604 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hmmm.alaska.net by alaska.net (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21404; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 14:26:28 -0800 Message-Id: <323DC6DA.3294@alaska.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 14:30:02 -0700 From: hmmm X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: docs@freebsd.org Subject: doc Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------1CE210D91402" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1CE210D91402 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit where can i see the docs people submit, and how can i let others see tutorials i have documented? --------------1CE210D91402 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: by alaska.net (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AB14639; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 13:53:02 -0800 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 13:53:02 -0800 From: Mailer-Daemon (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-Id: <9609162153.AB14639@alaska.net> To: Content-Type: text X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Connected to freefall.freebsd.org: >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 ... User unknown 550 ... User unknown ----- Unsent message follows ----- Return-Path: Received: from hmmm.alaska.net by alaska.net (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14628; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 13:53:02 -0800 Errors-To: Message-Id: <323DBF03.269B@alaska.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 13:56:35 -0700 From: hmmm X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-docs Subject: docs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit where can i see the docs people submit, and how can i let others see tutorials i have documented? --------------1CE210D91402-- From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 16 23:42:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA14350 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 23:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alaska.net (root@calvino.alaska.net [206.149.65.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA14345 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 23:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hmmm.alaska.net by alaska.net (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04586; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:42:44 -0800 Message-Id: <323E3B28.6749@alaska.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:46:16 -0700 From: hmmm X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: docs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk where can i view docs that others have written, and where can i find info about making my tutorial available? From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 17 02:54:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA24420 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 02:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA24415 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 02:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.efn.org [127.0.0.1]) by nike.efn.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA11834 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 02:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 02:54:50 -0700 (PDT) From: John-Mark Gurney Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney To: freebsd-doc@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: error in name Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I wasn't sure who so send this to but I figured this be the right place... on http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook213.html#448 the name of Soren Schmidt is misspelled in the 6. Kernel Issues section... just thought you just might like to know :) ttyl.. John-Mark gurney_j@efn.org http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Modem/FAX: (541) 683-6954 (FreeBSD Box) Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD (unix) From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 17 14:55:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA16555 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16549 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA22402; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:55:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:55:03 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: hmmm cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs In-Reply-To: <323E3B28.6749@alaska.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, hmmm wrote: > where can i view docs that others have written, http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials http://www.freebsd.org/handbook http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ > and where can i find info about making my tutorial > available? Refresh my memory, which tutorial was it? Generally, posting the tutorial, or a URL for it to doc@freebsd.org is what you do. People comment, you revise and then I add it to http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials. However, being quite busy, I may forget about things posted to doc (since they are automagically sorted into a separate mail folder) so if no action happens after a reasonable amount of time, email me direct including the tutorial itself. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 17 15:03:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA16931 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA16915 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA22444; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 17:02:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 17:02:37 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: John-Mark Gurney cc: freebsd-doc@freefall.freebsd.org, sos@freebsd.org Subject: Re: error in name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > on http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook213.html#448 > > the name of Soren Schmidt is misspelled in the 6. Kernel > Issues section... just thought you just might like to know :) ttyl.. How is it supposed to be spelled? It shows up in my browser as Søren Schmidt . -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 17 16:21:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA20905 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20900 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.efn.org [127.0.0.1]) by nike.efn.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10277; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:21:52 -0700 (PDT) From: John-Mark Gurney Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney To: John Fieber cc: freebsd-doc@freefall.freebsd.org, sos@freebsd.org Subject: Re: error in name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, John Fieber wrote: > On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > > > on http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook213.html#448 > > > > the name of Soren Schmidt is misspelled in the 6. Kernel > > Issues section... just thought you just might like to know :) ttyl.. > > How is it supposed to be spelled? It shows up in my browser as > Søren Schmidt . that's interesting... over here (under Lynx) it shows up as Smren Schmidt... what I think is the problem is that it's trying to use a high bit chars on a terminal that doesn't support it like mine... because I looked at the source (I didn't before I know) and it says, ø so it really more of a problem with the browsers than it is with the source... :) I'm sorry... but I just thought it was spelled wrong :( ttyl.. John-Mark gurney_j@efn.org http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Modem/FAX: (541) 683-6954 (FreeBSD Box) Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD (unix) From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 17 16:44:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA22230 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA22222 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22718; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:44:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:44:09 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: John-Mark Gurney cc: freebsd-doc@freefall.freebsd.org, sos@freebsd.org Subject: Re: error in name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > that's interesting... over here (under Lynx) it shows up as Smren > Schmidt... what I think is the problem is that it's trying to use a high > bit chars on a terminal that doesn't support it like mine... because I > looked at the source (I didn't before I know) and it says, ø so it > really more of a problem with the browsers than it is with the source... Yes. By using ø the author does not have to make any assumptions about the target viewing environment. By using ø, the context of an ISO 8859-1 environment is assumed, possibly in error. In the context of HTTP, unless otherwize specified, documents are assumed to be encoded with ISO 8859-1 so technically ø is safe; the browser should do any translation necessary (to another encoding, or to a 7 bit code set). In practice? I don't know... [this email message assumes an ISO 8859-1 environment] -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 17 16:46:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA22295 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA22286 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from campa.panke.de (anonymous227.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.227]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA00175; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 01:43:51 +0200 Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA01718; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 00:47:32 +0200 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 00:47:32 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider Message-Id: <199609172247.AAA01718@campa.panke.de> To: John-Mark Gurney Cc: freebsd-doc@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: error in name In-Reply-To: References: Reply-to: Wolfram Schneider MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John-Mark Gurney writes: >on http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook213.html#448 >the name of Soren Schmidt is misspelled in the 6. Kernel >Issues section... just thought you just might like to know :) ttyl.. No, the name is correct. It is a Danish name. Maybe your browser is broken or you use a wrong font. Wolfram From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 17 19:15:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA16224 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 19:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cdsnet.net (mail.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA16194 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 19:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gp-pm5-04.dip.cdsnet.net (gp-pm5-04.dip.cdsnet.net [204.118.246.174]) by mail.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA21002 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 19:15:08 -0700 Message-ID: <31C17523.788A@cdsnet.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 07:20:19 -0700 From: Nathan Wittich X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: spaghetti documentation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I think FreeBSD is a pretty nice operating system, and it's even safer than doublespace!(It didn't warn me that clicking on OK to stop defrag that it won't be remounted. It was dumb, but I figured there would be a warning if I shouldn't. Never trust Microsoft). I wanted to try something that fits my budget(nothing), because I realized most people programming and stuff as long as me aren't using DOS, Windows, Qbasic, and other wimpware. But about your online documentation, though, It's as much of a challenge to understand and find what you're looking for as reverse-compiling basic that was originally spaghetti. I eventually quit after it got too frustrating figuring out the installation instructions, and never did install it. From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 18 02:09:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA18363 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 02:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (root@orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA18334 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 02:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (pm3-16.dialup.webspan.net [206.154.71.77]) by orion.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA24789 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 05:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <323FE409.5BD1@webspan.net> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 04:59:05 -0700 From: walshke X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Installing X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org/mailto.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I've downloaded rawrite and the mirrior file. What else do I need to download. The documentation doesn't make this very clear. Thanx, Kevin Walsh From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 18 02:51:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA02691 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 02:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA02645 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 02:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA15480; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 02:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 02:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609180950.CAA15480@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: more on Japanese handbook From: asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John, How's the current status of the merging effort? Please let us know your thoughts on the directory structure. By the way, there is one more thing you may want to consider re the handbook encoding. The Japanese encoding used in the handbook sources (EUC-JP) is good in that many tools allow the Japanes part of it to pass through untouched, but there is an annoying tendency of netscape (and maybe others) misjudging the language code of some files and thinking it's Shift-JIS (the brain-damaged code nobody likes but since NEC decided to use it for their once-popular PC98 series, it's not dying anytime soon). Also there is no language information in EUC, so if someone reads the pages using netscape with language set to Chinese, well it will show something totally incoherent (when it should have ignored it). The optimal solution (at least viewed from the Japanese side of us) is to convert the file into JIS just before it's written to whatever output files sgmlfmt is creating (or is it instant now? :). This is really quite simple, since all we need to do here is to scan for bytes with the eighth bit set and convert that, as well as the following bytes with the eighth bit set, from something like 1[B1] 1[B2] ... 1[B2N-1] 1[B2N] to Esc '$' 'B' 0[B1] 0[B2] ... 0[B2N-1] 0[B2N] Esc '(' 'B' (1 is the eighth bit set, 0 is it cleared -- [BX] is the lower 7 bits of the X-th byte) The nkf program (ports/japanese/nkf) is one such filter but that's a gross overkill, as it needs to deal with all three forms of input and output (plus mime and...). Since we only need EUC->JIS conversion, it can be done with a 10-line (or so) C program. What do you think? By the way, I'm not sure what the user should set ${LANG} to when there might be both EUC and JIS on the system, would it be suffice to just say "ja_JP"? (I'm asking this mostly to Mr. Hanai, I guess.) Satoshi From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 18 07:15:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA11346 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 07:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA (condor.CC.UMontreal.CA [132.204.2.103]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11312 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 07:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from centrs1.CENTRCN.UMontreal.CA (centrs1.CENTRCN.UMontreal.CA [132.204.11.101]) by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with ESMTP id OAA00590 (8.6.11/IDA-1.6 for ); Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:12:39 GMT Received: from JSBach.CENTRCN.UMontreal.CA by centrs1.CENTRCN.UMontreal.CA (950215.SGI.8.6.10/5.17) id KAA00245; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 10:15:14 -0400 Message-ID: <3240040B.6956@centrcn.umontreal.ca> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 10:15:39 -0400 From: Roger Savard Organization: Université de Montréal X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP12) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Facelift Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Good morning, I would like to congratulate you for the recent facelift, your doc/pages as been through lately. It is refreshing. -- Roger Savard savarro@centrcn.umontreal.ca http://nimbus.centrcn.umontreal.ca/~savarro From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 18 10:49:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA18118 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 10:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alaska.net (root@calvino.alaska.net [206.149.65.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18094 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 10:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hmmm.alaska.net by alaska.net (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA08203; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 09:48:44 -0800 Message-Id: <324098B1.4292@alaska.net> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 17:49:53 -0700 From: hmmm X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: John Fieber Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John Fieber wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, hmmm wrote: > > > where can i view docs that others have written, > > and where can i find info about making my tutorial > > available? > > Refresh my memory, which tutorial was it? Generally, posting the http://www.alaska.net/~hmmm/pcw01.htm From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 18 15:05:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA19576 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 15:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19549 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 15:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA25969; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 17:05:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 17:05:10 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Nathan Wittich cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: spaghetti documentation In-Reply-To: <31C17523.788A@cdsnet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Nathan Wittich wrote: > But about your online documentation, though, It's > as much of a challenge to understand and find what you're looking for as > reverse-compiling basic that was originally spaghetti. Welcome to Unix! Improving the documentation in a substantial way is a monumental task, especially when nobody is being coerced with money to do it. :) The big difference between traditional unix documentation and the stuff Microsoft (and others) put out now is that the former documents program functionality while the latter documents user tasks. For the beginner, task documentation is more useful, for the veteran, tool documentation is essential. This difference mirrors the design philosophies of the respective systems. Small tools that the user can combine in numerous ways to accomplish numerous tasks, or large software designed to accomplish a specific task or set of tasks. The former is hard to document in a task oriented fashion, it has a reputation for being hard to learn, but very powerful. It is easy to create task oriented documentation for the latter, but there is no documentation to fall back on if your task was not anticipated by the software designer or the documentation writer. What is better? It depends entirely on the context. The tutorials, the FAQ and the Handbook are all attempts to bring some task oriented documentation on the scene. However, particularly in the case of the Handbook, they will always be somewhat disjointed and incoherent as a whole unless someone can invest the huge amount of time required to play full time editor. Unlike hacking on code, this is not a task that can be easily divided up among a team with success. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 18 15:32:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA00970 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 15:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00931; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 15:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA26009; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 17:32:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 17:32:28 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Satoshi Asami cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: more on Japanese handbook In-Reply-To: <199609180950.CAA15480@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Satoshi Asami wrote: > How's the current status of the merging effort? Please let us know > your thoughts on the directory structure. Aaahhhhhh!! Okay, I'll try and keep this from getting burried. > By the way, there is one more thing you may want to consider re the > handbook encoding. ... > The optimal solution (at least viewed from the Japanese side of us) is > to convert the file into JIS just before it's written to whatever ... > output (plus mime and...). Since we only need EUC->JIS conversion, it > can be done with a 10-line (or so) C program. The conversion would be (probably) be done in sgmlfmt, which is perl, so a perl solution (probably two lines?) would be better. It could be activated by a command line switch (-jis), or possibly auto-detect. > What do you think? By the way, I'm not sure what the user should set > ${LANG} to when there might be both EUC and JIS on the system, would > it be suffice to just say "ja_JP"? (I'm asking this mostly to > Mr. Hanai, I guess.) /usr/share/locale is a mess of symlinks. What would be handy would be a snippet of code to take ${LANG} and return the cannonical locale name (ja -> ja_JP.EUC) or an error if it is invalid. [Is it really necessary to have all those symlinks anyway? To me it just seems to confuse things, but then I'm a novice when it comes to localization. Which brings up another point, would anyone be interested in writing up an overview of i18n/localization facilities in FreeBSD? It would sure help me out!] -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 18 18:58:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA24129 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 18:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA24098; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 18:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id UAA10222; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 20:57:52 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199609190157.UAA10222@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: News server... To: froden@bigblue.no Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 20:57:52 -0500 (CDT) Cc: isp@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199609182327.BAA26853@login.bigblue.no> from "Frode Nordahl" at Sep 19, 96 00:37:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Maybe the DOC guys could throw the "long" part of this message into the FreeBSD handbook someplace... please? :-) I took a little extra time to explain in detail. > >More RAM, definitely. :-) > > Thought you would say that :-)) It is a given no matter how much RAM you have :-) But here you REALLY need it. > >> 4x Quantum Empire (2GB) > >> 1x Quantum Fireball (500MB) > >> > >> Disk configuration > >> 1x Quantum Empire - root device > >> 3x Quantum Empire striped with ccd (Ileave: 16 = 8kb) for /var/spool/news > > > >Too small an interleave. You want each drive to be able to complete a > >transaction on its own... and I am not talking about a single read, > >I mean (minimally) the terminal directory traversal and file read for the > >article in question. You do not want two or three drives participating > >in this operation. Search the mailing list archives, I am tired of > >explaining it. > > Ok... > > >I use an interleave size equal to the number of blocks in a > >_CYLINDER_GROUP_. That is a BIG number. > > 32MB in this case. But that wil not help on performance, or would it? The optimum stripe size for RAID in > hardware is 8kb... That is because "optimum" is defined to be "fastest throughput for a large sequential transaction" for many RAID's. The heads on all N drives move "in sync", so that Drive 0 is reading Block "B * N + 0", Drive 1 is reading Block "B * N + 1", etc, etc. This means that while one drive may only be able to feed data at 2.5MB/sec, all N drives together will feed data to the host at about 2.5MB/sec TIMES N. Great! For sequential accesses. If all the heads on your news server disks are moving "in sync", you lose the advantage of multiple spindles and you might as well get a single 9GB Barracuda drive. And news articles are small anyways, so you are not buying anything in terms of speed - the article most likely will come off one drive. People who have not thought it through will argue that this means an interleave of 8K is great for news. But it's not. What you want is for each spindle to be able to handle a separate transaction on its own. By increasing the size of the interleave to a LARGE number, you increase the likelihood that the one drive will complete an entire operation on its own. Consider the case of reading alt.sex article #12345. On a machine that holds alt 7 days, the directory is daily-bugle# ls -ld /news/alt/sex drwxrwxr-x 133 news news 50688 Sep 18 20:31 /news/alt/sex 50K. If you stripe 8K, and assuming the directory is stored in sequential blocks (valid enough assumption - the disk blocks are _nearby_ if not sequential).. First we read the directory. Get the first 8K from Drive 0.. scan.. nope. Get the second 8K from Drive 1.. scan.. nope.. Get the third 8K from Drive 2... scan.. nope.. Get the fourth 8K from Drive 3... scan.. ah, we found it. The article is stored "nearby", thanks to FFS optimizations.. hmm.. ok get the 4K of article data from Drive 2. Does this seem stupid? We have forced all 4 drives to position their heads in the same area. Now let's repeat with a LARGE stripe size. First we read the directory. We iterate through 26K of data on Drive 0 and we find the article. The article is stored "nearby" and happens to be within this cylinder group, thanks to FFS optimizations.. so we go read that 4K of data with Drive 0, and voila, magically that ONE drive head is already in the general area of the needed access. What are your other three drives doing? Why, they are concurrently getting three OTHER articles needed by other readers. Three other articles, that, in the 8K scenario would have to be fetched sequentially. All of a sudden it looks like it is really nice to have many drives, because if you configure your system correctly, you can get "N" simultaneous accesses where N is number of drives you have. > >> 1x Quantum Fireball - /usr/lib/news (News configuration to avoid excessive I/O on the root dev.) > > > >Good idea. > > Yeah.. Since this computer is going to do other stuff than news too, slowing down the root device with I/O is not a > smart idea.. :) Oooooooooooooooh..... bad idea. Dedicate the machine to news. > >> The disks are connected to two Adaptec 7850 controllers. the news related disks alone on the second > >> adaptec and the root dev on the first. > > > >So you have one "underutilized" SCSI bus... the first one. Spread the disks > >out between the busses. > > Ok... > > >> Does this look like a reasonable setup? This news server does not handle any feeds (Except for the > incoming > >> feed from our provider). Only client access. (For now). > > > >How many simultaneous clients do you expect to be able to handle? > > The maximum peak we expect (For now) is 16*3 clients (16 clients using 3 connections each). 3 connections each? You really should discourage that. You eat a LOT of resources to do that. > >How long do you keep news? > > We keep news for 5 days except for alt.binaries.* that we keep for 3 days maximum. You do not have enough space for alt.binaries. I just filled up a pair of 4GB drives (CCD 8GB) on a system that holds binaries for 2 days.. sigh You will be tight holding the remainder of Usenet for 5 days in only 6GB. > Thanks for the info! > --------------------------------- > Frode Nordahl No problem. ... JG From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 18 19:58:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA18133 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 19:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tokyonet-entrance.astec.co.jp (tokyonet-entrance.astec.co.jp [202.239.16.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA18096; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 19:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amont.astec.co.jp (amont.astec.co.jp [172.20.10.1]) by tokyonet-entrance.astec.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb7/3.4Wbeta5-astecMX2.3) with ESMTP id LAA25248; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:58:06 +0900 Received: from domino.astec.co.jp (domino [172.20.10.12]) by amont.astec.co.jp (8.6.9+2.4W/3.4Wbeta5-astecNoMX2.3) with SMTP id LAA17485; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:58:05 +0900 Received: by domino.astec.co.jp (4.1/astec-1.0) id AA00629; Thu, 19 Sep 96 11:58:05 JST Message-Id: <9609190258.AA00629@domino.astec.co.jp> To: jfieber@indiana.edu Cc: asami@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: more on Japanese handbook In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 18 Sep 1996 17:32:28 -0500 (EST)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.28.1, Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:58:04 +0900 From: Hanai Hiroyuki Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From: John Fieber : > Aaahhhhhh!! Okay, I'll try and keep this from getting burried. Sorry to bother you. I think I can give you our(japanese docmentation group's) idea in a few weeks. > > output (plus mime and...). Since we only need EUC->JIS conversion, it > > can be done with a 10-line (or so) C program. > > The conversion would be (probably) be done in sgmlfmt, which is > perl, so a perl solution (probably two lines?) would be better. I agree with you. The conversion should be done in sgmlfmt. It is easy to make a perl subroutine that converts the encoding of given string to any one specified and I can send you such subroutine. Or I think you can easily write such subroutine because you've already read the book about Japanese Information Processing. > It could be activated by a command line switch (-jis), or > possibly auto-detect. I prefer command line switch because if we consider the I18N, it will be impossible to distinguish in which language the text is written(Japanese? or Chinese? or Korean? ...) with auto-detection method. -----H.Hanai From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 19 09:58:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA01000 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from novell.com (prv-mail20.Provo.Novell.COM [137.65.40.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA00971 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from INET-PRV-Message_Server by novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:58:27 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:06:29 -0600 From: Darren Davis To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: What tool to use to generate SGML? Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What tools do you recommend to generate and edit SGML? I would like to do this under FreeBSD. Darren From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 19 10:21:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA06677 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tokyonet-entrance.astec.co.jp (tokyonet-entrance.astec.co.jp [202.239.16.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA06629 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amont.astec.co.jp (amont.astec.co.jp [172.20.10.1]) by tokyonet-entrance.astec.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb7/3.4Wbeta5-astecMX2.3) with ESMTP id CAA18201; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 02:20:47 +0900 Received: from astec.co.jp (hanaigw [192.168.23.1]) by amont.astec.co.jp (8.6.9+2.4W/3.4Wbeta5-astecNoMX2.3) with ESMTP id CAA00836; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 02:20:45 +0900 Received: from tau (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by astec.co.jp (8.7.5/3.5Wbeta-ppp) with ESMTP id CAA00412; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 02:18:52 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199609191718.CAA00412@astec.co.jp> To: darrend@novell.com Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: What tool to use to generate SGML? From: Hiroyuki Hanai In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:06:29 -0600" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.06 on Emacs 19.28.1, Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 02:18:52 +0900 Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Darren Davis wrote: > What tools do you recommend to generate and edit SGML? I would like to > do this under FreeBSD. You can use PSGML, which is a major mode of Emacs(19.19 or later) for editing SGML documents. PSGML is availble from various anonymous ftp servers. -----H.Hanai From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 19 16:03:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA09823 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09797 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA15837; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:02:23 -0700 (PDT) To: Darren Davis cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: What tool to use to generate SGML? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:06:29 MDT." Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:02:23 -0700 Message-ID: <15835.843174143@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > What tools do you recommend to generate and edit SGML? I would like to > do this under FreeBSD. vi or emacs. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 19 22:16:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA17807 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (cisco-ts12-line11.uoregon.edu [128.223.150.143]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA17764 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA00825 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:17:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: docs@freebsd.org Subject: DOC SUBMIT: PPP Server Setup Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello! After dawdling around for three weeks :-), I'm ready to annouce that I have completed SGMLizing Jeremy Child's PPP Server documentation for Handbook inclusion. I think I've followed our standard DTD, but I'm a SGML rookie without a good style sheet. The SGML file is available at: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/ppp.sgml or for the http-deprived: ftp://resnet.uoregon.edu/users/dwhite/ppp.sgml The sgmlfmt HTML output is available as: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/ppp.html I've designed it with Section 10.X or 11.X in mind, it may require modification if you have other ideas on where to put it. The text is copied verbatim from the original URL: http://www.ssimicro.com/~jeremyc/ppp.html Comments are of course welcome. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 20 01:31:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA03153 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 01:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from al.imforei.apana.org.au (pjchilds@al.imforei.apana.org.au [202.12.89.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA02985 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 01:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pjchilds@localhost) by al.imforei.apana.org.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id SAA09909; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 18:00:53 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 18:00:53 +0930 (CST) From: Peter Childs Message-Id: <199609200830.SAA09909@al.imforei.apana.org.au> To: dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu (Doug White), freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DOC SUBMIT: PPP Server Setup X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <51tabs$738@al.imforei.apana.org.au> you wrote: : Hello! Gday! : After dawdling around for three weeks :-), I'm ready to annouce that I : have completed SGMLizing Jeremy Child's PPP Server documentation for : Handbook inclusion. I think I've followed our standard DTD, but I'm a SGML : rookie without a good style sheet. [cut] : I've designed it with Section 10.X or 11.X in mind, it may require : modification if you have other ideas on where to put it. From what i can see of the handbook at the moment we have... 12. PPP and SLIP 12.1. Setting up user PPP 12.2. Setting up kernel PPP 12.3. Setting up a SLIP client 12.4. Setting up a SLIP server which seems a little wierd. I checked out the above mentioned document, and think its great - but user ppp can also be used in a server configuration, and enables support of pred1 compression, and other neat things... Perhaps we should restructure this section as 12. PPP and SLIP 12.1 Setting up a PPP client 12.1.1 Using user PPP ... etc.. 12.1.2 Using kernel PPP ... etc.. 12.2 Setting up a PPP server 12.2.1 Using user PPP ... etc.. 12.2.2 Using kernel PPP ... etc.. 12.3 Setting up a SLIP client 12.4 Setting up a SLIP server Thoughts? Comments? I'm quite happy to write up the document on using user PPP as a server if there is a need. Regards, Peter -- Peter Childs --- http://www.imforei.apana.org.au/~pjchilds Finger pjchilds@al.imforei.apana.org.au for public PGP key Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object! From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 20 07:42:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA05291 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 07:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from novell.com (prv-mail20.Provo.Novell.COM [137.65.40.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA05264 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 07:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from INET-PRV-Message_Server by novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:42:20 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:50:33 -0600 From: Darren Davis To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: What tool to use to generate SGML? - Reply Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> "Jordan K. Hubbard" 9/19 5:02pm >>> > What tools do you recommend to generate and edit SGML? I would like to > do this under FreeBSD. vi or emacs. :-) Jordan >>> I guess the real question is do you do the SGML tags by hand and if so, geez I thought we got away from nroff/troff! I saw the posting about using an editing mode on EMACS, but was hoping for something a little more like a freeware Frame. OK, maybe I am wishing a little too hard. Darren From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 20 08:02:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA13803 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13778 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from auk.fsl.noaa.gov (kelly@auk.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.124]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14743; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:02:42 GMT Message-Id: <199609201502.PAA14743@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by auk.fsl.noaa.gov (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA116211765; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:02:46 -0600 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:02:46 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: darrend@novell.com Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: (message from Darren Davis on Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:50:33 -0600) Subject: Re: What tool to use to generate SGML? - Reply Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> Darren Davis writes: > but was hoping for something a little more like a freeware Frame. Frame? You mean WYSIWYG? Isn't that against the whole point of SGML---separation of content from formatting? Labelling only of semantic elements? Multiple document appearances from a single document source? -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 20 09:52:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA02756 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02728 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01574; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:50:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:50:53 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Sean Kelly cc: darrend@novell.com, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: What tool to use to generate SGML? - Reply In-Reply-To: <199609201502.PAA14743@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 20 Sep 1996, Sean Kelly wrote: > >>>>> Darren Davis writes: > > > but was hoping for something a little more like a freeware Frame. > > Frame? You mean WYSIWYG? Isn't that against the whole point of > SGML---separation of content from formatting? Yes and no. Generally speaking, WYSIWYG SGML is an oxymoron. However, there are certainly situations where some approximation of an output format can be useful. Something like how WordPerfect works with a main editing window and a "reveal codes" window. Your SGML tags would appear in the "reveal codes" window if you wanted to see them, and the top display would be driven by a fairly simple tag->rendinging table (eg " == [Bold]"). For DTDs such as linuxdoc that are clearly targeted at paper documentation, this approach would work quite well. Of course, you would have to create the mapping for the DTD, but you only have to do it once per DTD. The purpose is not necessarly a literal reperesentation of the final product, but an approximation to make editing easier. There are good reasons that headings are formatted differently than running text in printed document: they make identifying the document structure and reading easier. Why should this benefit be extended only to the reader and not the author? The fundamantal problem I see is that it could make the rather large mental jump from presentation markup to content markup even harder. This is my main beef with HTML editors like Navigator Gold. On the one hand, real-time rendering in the editor makes editing a joy, but I'm irked to no end by how they invariably hide HTML's descriptive markup behind a procedural markup mask. Progress goes splat. (The rotting tag salad that Navigator Gold and other editors generate is yet another issue). I've been incubating ideas for a WYSIWYN (What You See is What You Need) editor for structured documents (like SGML). WYSIWYG is good for formatting tasks, but given the large difference between screen and print quality, it is counterproductive for editing content. Unfortunately, the only choice for people who don't buy into WYSIWYG for editing is to return to text editors that are still basically the same as they were when screen editing was born. Instead, we need to go the other way, beyond WYSIWYG. The first evidence of this is programming editors that are "language smart" and can highlight and manipulate grammatical units in whatever language (C, Perl, etc.). I want to expand this WYSIWYN notion to broader editing tasks and SGML editing seems an ideal target. (There is also the problem of figuring out how to formulate this into a problem I could use for my dissertation...) -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 20 11:58:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA13162 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13133 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA19715; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:56:43 -0700 (PDT) To: Darren Davis cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: What tool to use to generate SGML? - Reply In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:50:33 MDT." Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:56:43 -0700 Message-ID: <19713.843245803@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I guess the real question is do you do the SGML tags by hand and if so, > geez I thought we got away from nroff/troff! I saw the posting about using > an editing mode on EMACS, but was hoping for something a little more like > a freeware Frame. OK, maybe I am wishing a little too hard. Yep. :) Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 20 18:58:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA29891 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 18:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (cisco-ts6-line1.uoregon.edu [128.223.150.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29844 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 18:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA00297; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 18:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 18:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: Paul DuBois cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DOC SUBMIT: PPP Server Setup In-Reply-To: <199609200548.AAA20884@night.primate.wisc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 20 Sep 1996, Paul DuBois wrote: > >The sgmlfmt HTML output is available as: > > > >http://resnet.uoregon.edu/ppp.html > > You're sure these links work? I can't seem to reach them. Sorry; wrong URL. The HTTP URL should be: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/ppp/ppp.html Everything else stays the same. I'll add an explanatory note. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 20 19:07:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA04380 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 19:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (cisco-ts6-line1.uoregon.edu [128.223.150.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04346 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 19:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA00308; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 19:05:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 19:05:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: Peter Childs cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DOC SUBMIT: PPP Server Setup In-Reply-To: <199609200830.SAA09909@al.imforei.apana.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 20 Sep 1996, Peter Childs wrote: > : I've designed it with Section 10.X or 11.X in mind, it may require > : modification if you have other ideas on where to put it. > > From what i can see of the handbook at the moment we have... > > 12. PPP and SLIP > 12.1. Setting up user PPP > 12.2. Setting up kernel PPP > 12.3. Setting up a SLIP client > 12.4. Setting up a SLIP server > > which seems a little wierd. I checked out the above mentioned document, > and think its great - but user ppp can also be used in a server configuration, > and enables support of pred1 compression, and other neat things... Very true. From what I understand though, iijppp has some bugs (spontaneously closing, not quitting after hangup) that may not be conductive to using it as a server. This is what I understand from -questions, reality may vary :-) > Perhaps we should restructure this section as > > 12. PPP and SLIP > 12.1 Setting up a PPP client > 12.1.1 Using user PPP > ... etc.. > 12.1.2 Using kernel PPP > ... etc.. > > 12.2 Setting up a PPP server > 12.2.1 Using user PPP > ... etc.. > 12.2.2 Using kernel PPP > ... etc.. > > 12.3 Setting up a SLIP client > 12.4 Setting up a SLIP server > > Thoughts? Comments? I'm quite happy to write up the document on using > user PPP as a server if there is a need. That would be great. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Sep 21 10:52:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA07337 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 10:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07309 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 10:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA18309; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 10:52:01 -0700 (PDT) To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMC Ethernet Power(2) cards (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Sep 1996 23:20:43 PDT." Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 10:52:01 -0700 Message-ID: <18307.843328321@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Got this in -questions in case you're behind Jordan. Waaaaay behind.. :-) I've just commited it, thanks! Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Sep 21 12:18:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA00191 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 12:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tolstoy.mpd.ca (wlloyd.HIP.CAM.ORG [199.84.42.209]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29953 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 12:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from plato (plato.mpd.ca [206.123.11.34]) by tolstoy.mpd.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA04446 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 15:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <32443F29.7604@mpd.ca> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 15:16:57 -0400 From: Bill Lloyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4c) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: isdn documentation changes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have written up a more complete set of pages for the isdn section of the handbook. I do not subscribe to the doc mailing list, so please cc feeback to me directly. The file /usr/src/share/doc/handbook/isdn.sgml follows. There is no signature at the bottom. -bill wlloyd@mpd.ca --------------CUT HERE------------------- ISDN

ISDN for FreeBSD is still largely under developement. Specifically, there are a lack of drivers for cards.

A good resource for information on ISDN technology and hardware is . A quick simple roadmap to ISDN follows: If you live in Europe I suggest you investigate the ISDN card section. If you are planning to use ISDN primarily to connect to the internet with an Internet Provider on a dialup non-dedicated basis, I suggest you look into Terminal Adapters. This will give you the most flexibility, with the fewest problems, if you change providers. If you are conecting two lans together, or connecting to the internet with a dedicated ISDN connection I suggest you follow the Standalone router/bridge option.

Cost is a significant factor in determining what solution you will choose. The following options are listed from least expensive to most expensive. ISDN Cards

Contributed by &a.hm;.

This section is really only relevant to European ISDN users. The Teles cards supported are not yet(?) availible for North American ISDN standards.

There is the bisdn ISDN package available from supporting FreeBSD 2.1R, FreeBSD-current and NetBSD. Currently all (passive) Teles cards and their clones are supported for the EuroISDN (DSS1) and 1TR6 protocols. The latest source can be found on the above mentioned ftp server under directory isdn as file bisdn-096.tar.gz. A majordomo maintained mailing list is available, to subscribe, send the usual majordomo requests to . ISDN Terminal Adapters

Terminal adapters(TA) are to ISDN what modems are to regular phone lines.

Most TA's use the standard hayes modem AT command set, and can be used as a drop in replacement for a modem. A TA will operate basically the same as a modem except connection and throughput speeds will be much faster than your old modem. You will need to configure exactly the same as for a modem setup. Make sure you set your serial speed as high as possible. A TA will allow you to do Dynamic IP with your Internet provider. Unless you can get a static IP this is really your only option to do ISDN with your Internet provider.

The following TA's are know to work with FreeBSD. Motorola BitSurfer and Bitsurfer Pro Adtran The real problam with external TA's is like modems you need a good serial card in your computer. You should read the section in the handbook for a detailed understanding of serial devices, and the differences between asynchronous and synchronous serial ports. To get the maximum throughput from your ISDN line you should really use a syncronous card to connect to your TA. A synchronous card with a TA is at least as fast as a standalone router. The choice of sync/TA vs standalone router is largely a religious issue. There has been some discussion of this in the mailing lists. I suggest you search the for the complete discussion. Standalone ISDN Bridges/Routers

ISDN bridges or routers are not at all specific to FreeBSD or any other operating system. For a more complete description of routing and bridging technology, please refer to a Networking reference book. In the context of this page I will use router and bridge interchangeably.

As the cost of low end ISDN routers/bridges approaches that of a Terminal Adapter, it will likely become a more and more popular choice. An ISDN router is a small box that plugs directly into your local ethernet network(or card) and manages it's own connection to the other bridge/router. It has all the software to do PPP and other protocols built in. A router will allow you much faster thoughput that a standard TA, since it will be using a full synchronous ISDN connection. The main problem with ISDN routers and bridges is that interoperability between manufacturers can still be a problem. If you are planning to connect to an Internet provider, I recommend that you discuss your needs with them.

If you are planning to connect two lan segments together, ie: home lan to the office lan, this is the simplest lowest maintenance solution. Since you are buying the equipment for both sides of the connection you can be assured that the link will work. For example to connect a home computer or branch office network to a head office network the following setup could be used. Branch office or Home network Network is 10 Base T ethernet. Connect router to network cable with AUI/10bT transciever if necessary. ---Sun workstation | ---FreeBSD box | ---Windows 95 (Don't admit to owning it) | Standalone router | ISDN BRI line If your home/branch office is only one computer you can use a twisted pair crossover cable to connect to the standalone router directly. Head office or other lan Network is Twisted Pair ethernet. -------Novell Server | H | | ---Sun | | | U ---FreeBSD | | | ---Windows 95 | B | |___---Standalone router | ISDN BRI line A router will also usually allow you to have 2 ISDN connections open at the same time. One on each B channel. This is not supported on most TA's, except for specific(expensive) models that have two serial ports.