From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Dec 1 03:30:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA10859 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 03:30:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA10823; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 03:30:12 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Lehey Received: from freebie.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0vUA62-000QrIC; Sun, 1 Dec 96 12:30 MET Received: (grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.de (8.8.3/8.6.12) id MAA04186; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 12:29:29 +0100 (MET) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Message-Id: <199612011129.MAA04186@freebie.lemis.de> Subject: Re: FreeBSD/MIPS anybody In-Reply-To: <544.849436642@critter.tfs.com> from Poul-Henning Kamp at "Dec 1, 96 11:37:22 am" To: phk@critter.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 12:29:28 +0100 (MET) Cc: FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD current users), platforms@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD Platforms), doc@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD Documenters), committers@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: doc@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (Following up to -doc; this isn't really a -current, -committers, or -platforms issue) Poul-Henning Kamp writes: > In message <199612010831.JAA02306@freebie.lemis.de>, Greg Lehey writes: >> >>> Discussion about a FreeBSD book documenting the internals of VM] >> >> I'm certainly prepared to help on putting this together. Apart from >> anything else, I'll finally be forced to learn something about the >> internals. I'd suggest that we go for more than "the design of the >> FreeBSD 3.0 virtual memory system", though. > > I think I'd like to pull the brake here. I don't see any advantage to > a book over a bunch of SGML/nroff/tex files in the src/share/doc tree. There is the advantage that more people would look at the book if it were there. I think there's a significant inertia which people need to overcome before they print out the papers, and I'd guess that the sources in /src/share/doc don't get formatted too often. But I don't know if the advantage of the book would outweigh its disadvantages, such as getting the thing printed in the first place, the high price you'd have to charge for a relatively low-volume book, and the fact that it would be eternally out of date. > The only possible difference would be some money from the sale of the > book, and quite frankly, I would not even put that in budget for a book of > this kind. It certainly doesn't promise to be a big money-maker. > Instead I'd far rather have us find a volounteer editor and maybe a couple > of writers, who would help make english out of the stuff the kernel hackers > emit, which is, all else being equal, usually closer to C than to any dialect > of English. > > If we manage to pull sufficient material together this way, we can take it > all to some publisher and say, "Here, bunch of Postscript files, call the > book ``FreeBSD -- Under the hood'' and send our money to the FreeBSD project." > > If on the other hand we don't get sufficiently material, which is unfortunately > entirely possible, then we will not have to argue with some editor about it, > but it will be available in the tree, to anybody who want to read it or improve > it. > > This is also far more in line with the "scientific spirit" that was the > foundation of the BSD code on whose shoulders we stand. All this sounds very sensible. > So in summary: If you have something you're good at, or just the only one > who knows something about, you should really sit down and crank some text > out. > > Don't worry about formatting, language or anything like that right > now, just crank out some ASCII file and commit it somewhere not entirely > wrong under src/share/doc. > > Come on guys! > > Documentation is the other 50% of the job! OK. I volunteer to integrate and polish the texts. I've just been leafing through the 4.4BSD kernel book. How about taking something like that as a framework in which to put the documentation, rather like the way the online handbook is structured at the moment? Also, does anybody have more documents stashed away just waiting for publication? > Poul-Henning > Author of the only new paper in share/doc/papers from the FreeBSD project :-( I suppose it says something that I had to go and look for this document. Greg From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Dec 1 07:23:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA17772 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 07:23:08 -0800 (PST) From: owner-doc Received: from LazyJC (LazyJC.Dorm6.NCTU.edu.tw [140.113.186.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA17764 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 07:23:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by LazyJC (8.8.2/8.8.2) id WAA00541; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 22:37:51 +0800 (CST) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 22:37:51 +0800 (CST) Message-Id: <199612011437.WAA00541@LazyJC> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-URL: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.6 Subject: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Dec 1 15:51:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA07185 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 15:51:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from firewall.staterail.nsw.gov.au ([203.9.151.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07179 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 15:51:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.32.3.66] by firewall.staterail.nsw.gov.au (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA1528 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:50:37 +1100 Message-ID: <32A3245C.6AF8@staterail.nsw.gov.au> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 10:47:56 -0800 From: aritchie@staterail.nsw.gov.au (Anthony Ritchie) Reply-To: aritchie@staterail.nsw.gov.au Organization: State Rail Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: (no subject) Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Dec 1 18:37:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA13663 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 18:37:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.blink.net (root@pointer.blink.net [205.217.212.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13658 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 18:37:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by mail.blink.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) id VAA06087 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 21:28:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 21:28:08 -0500 (EST) From: System Administrator Message-Id: <199612020228.VAA06087@mail.blink.net> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Help I am trying to install free bsd on my computer but have run into some problems. I get everything installed ok except I cant seem to get the partition info right. it either comes up and does nothing, or, it says no operating system or if I choose to use the boot manager, it pops up and does nothing. in the installation, what should the setting for the bootable partition be? thanks I A brian From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Dec 1 19:02:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA14696 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 19:02:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mnl.cyb-live.com (root@mnl.cyb-live.com [204.255.105.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA14605 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 19:00:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyber.cyb-live.com (cyber.cyb-live.com [204.255.105.30]) by mnl.cyb-live.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA26299 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 11:01:59 +0800 Received: from [204.71.208.55] by cyber.cyb-live.com id 58f60.wrk; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 11:07:44 EDT Message-ID: <32A2454C.53C7@cyber.cyb-live.com> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 10:56:12 +0800 From: Humprey Sy Organization: The Hump! X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Request to update Handbook in FTP site Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greetings! I am really impressed with the progress of The FreeBSD Handbook!!! I have browsed through your work in your WWW server, and there were plenty of items which have been substantially added since I last saw it early this year. It is with this that I would like to request you to put the latest version of your handbook in your FTP site. I've downloaded the October version, but noticed there were parts missing, which weren't in the November edition (as placed in your WWW server.) Kindly inform me of further developments..... Thanks! Humprey From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Dec 1 23:08:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA07152 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 23:08:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from execulink.com (root@execulink.com [199.166.6.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07147 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 1996 23:08:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from twobad.execulink.com (ppp0.mars.execulink.com [207.61.72.15]) by execulink.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA17547 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 02:08:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32A21A5D.207C@execulink.com> Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 18:53:02 -0500 From: TwoBad Reply-To: twobad@execulink.com Organization: UWO X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: downloading FreeBSD! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! I'm not sure what to download. I follow the ftp link on the www page for the latest version, and then I end up with a listing of many files and directory. Which directory should I go into and which file should I download? Is there one file to download or many different files? thanx...Hani From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Dec 2 00:40:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA10449 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 00:40:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from net.server.ee (net.server.ee [194.204.4.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10426 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 00:40:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from thomas@localhost) by net.server.ee (8.8.3/8.7.3) id KAA03190; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:40:12 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:40:12 +0200 (EET) From: Toomas Ili To: doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe doc@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Dec 2 05:50:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA21816 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 05:50:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA21810 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 05:50:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA11813; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 08:50:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 08:50:33 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: TwoBad cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: downloading FreeBSD! In-Reply-To: <32A21A5D.207C@execulink.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 1 Dec 1996, TwoBad wrote: > I'm not sure what to download. I follow the ftp link on the www page > for the latest version, and then I end up with a listing of many files > and directory. Which directory should I go into and which file should I > download? Is there one file to download or many different files? Starting with README.TXT or INSTALL.TXT would probably be a good bet. Also look at http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install.html -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Dec 2 05:55:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA22067 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 05:55:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA22059 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 05:55:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA11822; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 08:54:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 08:54:29 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Humprey Sy cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Request to update Handbook in FTP site In-Reply-To: <32A2454C.53C7@cyber.cyb-live.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Humprey Sy wrote: > version of your handbook in your FTP site. I've downloaded the > October version, but noticed there were parts missing, which weren't > in the November edition (as placed in your WWW server.) Kindly To my knowledge, nothing notable has been removed, although some things have been shuffled a bit or renamed. You can grab the latest versions: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook-html.tar.gz http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook.ps These are updated daily. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Dec 2 06:50:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA24098 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 06:50:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from net.server.ee (net.server.ee [194.204.4.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA24059 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 06:49:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from thomas@localhost) by net.server.ee (8.8.3/8.7.3) id QAA05293; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:49:59 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:49:59 +0200 (EET) From: Toomas Ili To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: unsubscribe doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Dec 2 16:40:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24621 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:40:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24616 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:40:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA02619; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:42:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:42:27 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: Mark DeWar cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Docs In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961031041515.0066353c@mailserver.fiber-net.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 30 Oct 1996, Mark DeWar wrote: > As a newbie to Freebsd the docs seemed good. However there was really not > much refering to it on ftping it to a system. I could not get the modem to > dial at all. I found no info on what to look for. Plus the term has only two > commands avail. and to a newbie it is confusing and frustrating. More > troubleshooting guides would be a GREAT benefit. I agree. Unfortunately it's hard to know exactly what information to put into it. I believe you're refering to ppp, which isn't well documented in itself. You would be more intersted in a more full-featured comm program. The best one I know if is Seyon, a ProComm-like program for X Windows. It has all the bells and whistles. If you haven't found it already, check out the Handbook and the rest of the documentation on http://www.freebsd.org/. Or, you can find the Handbook in /usr/share/doc/handbook on any installed system with the doc distribution. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Dec 3 14:25:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA16276 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:25:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (mailhost2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16271 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:25:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from s5-25-199.student.washington.edu (S5-25-199.student.washington.edu [128.95.25.199]) by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (8.8.2+UW96.11/8.8.2+UW96.10) with SMTP id OAA26928 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:25:33 -0800 Message-ID: <32A4A8D3.25D@u.washington.edu> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 14:25:23 -0800 From: Jason Wells X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: The Instructions and my inabilty to get BSD installed when using them Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I found the installation from a dos partition to be the most confusing. What seems to me to be a simple install is quite confounding. I'm wondering if the file 'bin.mtree' could be the cause of my trouble. DOS abbreviates the 'mtree' suffix to 'mtr'. I am also wondering if perhaps your instructions for preparing to install from a DOS partition "handbook15.html" which discuss copying files from cdrom to a directory named 'c:\freebsd' do not apply to me. I have copied the bin.a* components of '/2.1.6-release/bin/' to the directories 'c:\freebsd\', 'c:\freebsd\bin\', and 'c:\bin\'. I tried all these possible source paths to see if perhaps I misunderstood the instructions. Depending on the source path I chose I recieved error messages "unable to find distribution - bin" or "write error". Is it necessary for me to move these components to a unix box and concatenate them there and then ftp them to 'c:\freebsd\'? I think that having read the instructions several times and following a fairly intuitive course of actions that I should have been able to pull this off. Unfortunatley my UNIX experience is not administrative in nature. But, as an experienced end-user I have never remained stumped by anything I've tried to do. This ones got me beat. I was unable to use the ftp media settings because I was unable to "resolve host ftp.freebsd.org". I then nslookuped ftp.freebsd.org and used the IP address and was unable to connect. I have a NE2000 compatible ether card. Specifically it is the LinkSYS Ether16 with IRQ=10 and IO=300h. I am connected to the Univesity of Washington and have never had any trouble configuring networking until now. BSDLess in Seattle, Jason Wells From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Dec 3 17:00:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA25835 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:00:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25829 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:00:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA08073; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:00:52 -0800 (PST) To: Jason Wells cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The Instructions and my inabilty to get BSD installed when using them In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 03 Dec 1996 14:25:23 PST." <32A4A8D3.25D@u.washington.edu> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 17:00:52 -0800 Message-ID: <8069.849661252@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I found the installation from a dos partition to be the most confusing. > What seems to me to be a simple install is quite confounding. The instructions are actually quite simple - your problem lies, unfortunately, elsewhere. > instructions. Depending on the source path I chose I recieved error > messages "unable to find distribution - bin" or "write error". The write error occurred when you had the files in the correct location but ran into another problem, where the DOS partition could not be read from. This is a known problem and only occurs with *some* DOS partitions. We are in the middle of a complete rewrite of the DOS filesystem code right now but that will not happen in time to help you. > I was unable to use the ftp media settings because I was unable to > "resolve host ftp.freebsd.org". I then nslookuped ftp.freebsd.org and > used the IP address and was unable to connect. I have a NE2000 This is another problem, perhaps having to do with your network settings - I cannot say. I assume that ed0 is being probed correctly and that your network connetion is good. All I can say is that many many thousands of people have made this particular installation type work and you should probably read the HARDWARE.TXT file again to make sure that your ed0 device is properly configured and then verify your nameserver/gateway/IP/netmask values for correctness. Finally, this is the wrong mailing list. :) You want freebsd-questions not freebsd-doc - this mailing list is for discussing the ongoing maintainance of the handbook and FAQs. Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Dec 5 09:07:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA18593 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 09:07:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA18418 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 09:03:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from ole.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@ole.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.22.3]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA20369 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 18:02:25 +0100 From: Wolfram Schneider Received: (wosch@localhost) by ole.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.4/8.6.6) id SAA00239; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 18:02:23 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 18:02:23 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199612051702.SAA00239@ole.cs.tu-berlin.de> To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Hypertext Man Pages MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk http://www.cs.tu-berlin.de/~wosch/man.cgi hypertext man pages, FreeBSD-2.1.6, FreeBSD-2.2-ALPHA and old releases. Wolfram From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Dec 5 12:05:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA28931 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:05:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA28906 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:05:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA08452 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:05:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:05:07 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: User PPP FAQ (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Posted to -questions, but applies here. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 05 Dec 1996 10:11:29 -0500 From: Jay Sachs To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: User PPP FAQ Enough people have said this is needed. I agree. I've had more than enough exchanges answering questions on iijppp configuration. I hereby volunteer to coordinate a (re)write of a FAQ for setting up user PPP (i.e. iijppp) under FreeBSD. If no one has any objections, that is. (Hey, if Nick Clayton , who contributed the handbook entry, wants the job, he can have it. Just speak up). Personally I've found the handbook too brief and in some places misleading or wrong when applied to user level ppp. (I can't speak for kernel ppp). So, I ask all interested iijppp users to email me: - Any special things you had to do to get iijppp running properly for you - Any problems you've had getting either direct or -auto dialing to work - Any questions you have/had about setting up user ppp - Anything else that might be appropriate I'm looking for submissions not only from experience ppp-ers, but also those of you just starting to set up ppp I think the FAQ should provide info for two separate classes of uses: one, where ppp is the only tcpip interface used, and the other when ppp is used in conjunction with lan interfaces. My feeling is that there a different/additional issues that crop up when using ppp concurrently with e.g. an ethernet to e.g provide 'net access for a lan without official IP addresses. [My point here is that the FAQ should have a separate section for these issues, not that it shouldn't cover them] Any suggestions (like, it's already done, see http://xxx.xxx.xxx) are more than welcome. -jay From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Dec 5 12:10:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA29888 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:10:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA29877; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:10:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA08459; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:10:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:10:04 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: Jay Sachs cc: FreeBSD Questions , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: User PPP FAQ In-Reply-To: <87g21l3u1q.fsf@luddite.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Forwarded to doc@freebsd.org, the documentation discussion list On 5 Dec 1996, Jay Sachs wrote: > Enough people have said this is needed. I agree. I've had more than > enough exchanges answering questions on iijppp configuration. > > I hereby volunteer to coordinate a (re)write of a FAQ for setting up > user PPP (i.e. iijppp) under FreeBSD. If no one has any objections, > that is. Please do! > (Hey, if Nick Clayton , who contributed the > handbook entry, wants the job, he can have it. Just speak up). It would be nice if we could concentrate on updating the Handbook instead of making a separate doc, but I'm game for anything :) > - Any special things you had to do to get iijppp running properly for you Only modifying /etc/ppp/ppp.conf.sample to ppp.conf and making changes to work with my provider. I dial manually with an automatic login sequence. (Be sure to mention the 'set debug' options, they help a lot when fixing login scripts!) > I'm looking for submissions not only from experience ppp-ers, but also > those of you just starting to set up ppp As soon as I get info I'll contribute a section to getting Metricom's Ricochet wireless modem set up with ppp. > I think the FAQ should provide info for two separate classes of uses: > one, where ppp is the only tcpip interface used, and the other when > ppp is used in conjunction with lan interfaces. My feeling is that > there a different/additional issues that crop up when using ppp > concurrently with e.g. an ethernet to e.g provide 'net access for a > lan without official IP addresses. Quite. This is big question #2 and was the subject of a quest of mine a while ago. I might eek out enough time over winter break to get a configuration like this working. I know the tools needed now (ie, IPFilter &/or NAT) and think I could pull it off. > [My point here is that the FAQ should have a separate section for > these issues, not that it shouldn't cover them] Works. Keep us posted on progress. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Dec 5 13:19:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA06540 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:19:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from sheldon.intr.net (sheldon.intr.net [207.32.89.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA06535 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:19:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gfoster@localhost) by sheldon.intr.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) id QAA26832; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:11:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:11:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199612052111.QAA26832@sheldon.intr.net> From: Glen Foster To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu CC: doc@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from Doug White on Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:05:07 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: User PPP FAQ (fwd) Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Have you seen the iij full-boat manual, the one translated from Japanese? It is much more comprehensive than the handbook and probably the reason that the HB version is not more detailed. I do not have an up-to-date copy but would be glad to make the one I do have available (PS and TeX only). Glen Foster From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Dec 5 14:30:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA09946 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 14:30:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from bourbon.sfc.wide.ad.jp (root@bourbon.sfc.wide.ad.jp [203.178.139.109]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA09936 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 14:30:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from bourbon (max@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bourbon.sfc.wide.ad.jp (8.8.3/3.4W409/27/96) with ESMTP id HAA13871; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 07:29:29 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199612052229.HAA13871@bourbon.sfc.wide.ad.jp> To: gfoster@intr.net Cc: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu, doc@freebsd.org Cc: max@wide.ad.jp Subject: Re: User PPP FAQ (fwd) From: Masafumi NAKANE/=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQ2Y6LDJtSjgbKEI=?= In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:11:59 -0500 (EST)" References: <199612052111.QAA26832@sheldon.intr.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.54 on Emacs 19.28.1, Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 07:29:28 +0900 Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Glen> Have you seen the iij full-boat manual, the one translated Glen> from Japanese? It is much more comprehensive than the Glen> handbook and probably the reason that the HB version is not Glen> more detailed. That one is available from: http://www.fc.wide.ad.jp/~max/iijppp-doc.tar.gz --- LaTeX sources http://www.sfc.wide.ad.jp/~max/iijppp-doc.ps.gz --- PostScript Glen Foster and several other people helped me a lot to make this translation. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Masafumi NAKANE, Keio Univ., Dept. of Environmental Information E-Mail : max@wide.ad.jp / max@FreeBSD.ORG [URL] : http://www.sfc.wide.ad.jp/~max/ From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Dec 5 16:15:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA14133 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:15:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA14125 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:15:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA13857; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:14:54 -0800 (PST) To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: User PPP FAQ (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 05 Dec 1996 12:05:07 PST." Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 16:14:54 -0800 Message-ID: <13853.849831294@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I hereby volunteer to coordinate a (re)write of a FAQ for setting up > user PPP (i.e. iijppp) under FreeBSD. If no one has any objections, > that is. Please stick this in the handbook since the FAQ is actually about to die. Nobody is maintaining it anymore and much of the information in it is stale, making it more potentially harmful than helpful to the new users who upon rely on it. Since this has been an ongoing problem for almost a year now, it's probably a good time to wave goodbye to the FAQ - I guess we simply bit off more than we could chew with it. Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Dec 5 18:32:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA20453 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 18:32:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA20448 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 18:32:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA08893; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 18:32:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 18:32:35 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: Glen Foster cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: User PPP FAQ (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199612052111.QAA26832@sheldon.intr.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Glen Foster wrote: > Have you seen the iij full-boat manual, the one translated from > Japanese? It is much more comprehensive than the handbook and > probably the reason that the HB version is not more detailed. > > I do not have an up-to-date copy but would be glad to make the one I > do have available (PS and TeX only). I have the PostScript version already. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 6 10:40:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA05062 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 10:40:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA05054; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 10:40:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA18339; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 10:40:21 -0800 (PST) To: hackers@freebsd.org cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Following positions seeking volunteers! Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 10:40:20 -0800 Message-ID: <18334.849897620@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As some of you may already know, our long suffering and now far-too-overloaded Webmaster / Docmaster, John Fieber, has asked that one or more people be found to fill his shoes in the Webmaster & Docmaster roles so that he may focus on his doctoral studies. In order to make recruitment a little easier, he has also provided the following list of "positions", each of which could probably use a dedicated person though I also don't see anything wrong with a truly motivated individual taking on several hats at once. It also goes without saying that any volunteer for these positions should be truly willing to stick it out for the long haul (>= 1 year) since it takes a fair while just to ramp up on this stuff, much less become really good at it. If you're only interested in doing this for for a week or a month then you should probably consider instead simply volunteering to stand on the sidelines and help out the central volunteer, whomever that might be, in a more peripheral role. This is also a perfectly valuable contribution, and one which is especially encouraged as some of these jobs are rather difficult for one person to do alone. We more than welcome "soldiers" as well as "generals," though it must be said that generals are sort of what we're really stuck for most at the moment. All we can offer you in return is a good opportunity for learning and a chance to do something truly important for FreeBSD. Documentation and Webmastering can be a somewhat thankless job, and the better job you do it seems the more people will take you for granted, but it's nontheless absolutely *vital* that FreeBSD continue to grow and improve in these areas, and your contributions are the only way that will happen. Anyone? Thanks! Jordan Positions: Webmaster: Overall responsibility for making sure that the things listed below get done. Build Engineer Arrange for building the "live" web pages from the CVS repository on a daily basis. A good working knowledge of SGML is essential. The current setup uses Makefiles and some moderately advanced SGML features to generate the pages that get posted on server. Mirror Manager Direct mirroring activities. Set up and maintain mirroring mechanism(s), keep in regular contact with mirror administrators to negotiate changes, such as running various CGI scripts on mirrors rather than on the master site. Set up criteria for being listed as an "Official" mirror on the home page. News Bureau Track new release, important changes and other news (eg: monitor the freebsd-announce lists). Maintain the "Release info" and "Newsflash" pages. A weekly or bi-weekly "Whats new with FreeBSD" summarizing interesting developments in or related to FreeBSD would be a great addition, but a fair amount of work. Gallery/Commercial Editor Receive and verify submissions for the FreeBSD Gallery and the Commercial Vendors pages. Weed dead links and periodically verify the use of FreeBSD by those listed. Style Police/Art Director Ensure consistent and effective use of layout, graphics and logical structure of the site as a whole. Assist other WWW developers in implementing the "www.freebsd.org look and feel". A background in HCI, with a focus on electronic text and graphic design, is *extremely* desirable. Handbook/FAQ/Tutorial Editor Solicit new materials, arrange for updating of obsolete sections, mundane style editing. Good technical writing skills essential (since hackers are notoriously terrible writers). A familiarity with the "novice user" is also helpful. Scanning the freebsd-questions list is a must to keep in touch with what should be in the FAQ. A broad familiarity with FreeBSD/Unix/X11 is more important than a deep familiarity. Note: The head FAQ maintainer's position has now been assumed by Peter da Silva , though the Handbook / Tutorials still need attention and I'm sure that Peter would certainly welcome any and all help with the FAQ as well. Database Engineer Manage (and hopefully improve) the mailing list archives and web page searching. CGI Engineer Watch over CGI functionality, such as cvsweb and gnats. There is great potential in developing a cgi interface to the ports too. Other A variety of other pages (eg Support) don't neatly fit in the above categories. Someone needs to watch over these. From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 6 16:56:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA21444 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 16:56:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from vinyl.quickweb.com (vinyl.quickweb.com [206.222.77.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA21439; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 16:56:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mark@localhost) by vinyl.quickweb.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA10939; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 19:55:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 19:55:09 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Mayo To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Following positions seeking volunteers! In-Reply-To: <18334.849897620@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 6 Dec 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > As some of you may already know, our long suffering and now > far-too-overloaded Webmaster / Docmaster, John Fieber, has asked that > one or more people be found to fill his shoes in the Webmaster & > Docmaster roles so that he may focus on his doctoral studies. Sounds fair! I've always thought that the FreeBSD web pages were a fantastic resource, and maintaining / improving that resource is something very worth while. > > All we can offer you in return is a good opportunity for learning and > a chance to do something truly important for FreeBSD. Documentation > and Webmastering can be a somewhat thankless job, and the better job > you do it seems the more people will take you for granted, but it's > nontheless absolutely *vital* that FreeBSD continue to grow and > improve in these areas, and your contributions are the only way that > will happen. > > Anyone? > I'll volunteer for anything you need help with. I'm available as a "general" and a "soldier" - see below for details =) Basically, I think I have the time / qualifications to help out with 3 of the positions below, and be a "general" on the database stuff. > Thanks! > > Jordan > > Positions: > > News Bureau > > Track new release, important changes and other news (eg: monitor the > freebsd-announce lists). Maintain the "Release info" and > "Newsflash" pages. A weekly or bi-weekly "Whats new with FreeBSD" > summarizing interesting developments in or related to FreeBSD would > be a great addition, but a fair amount of work. I can help out with this - I'm a relatively good writer, and a decent motivator/promoter. I don't have the time it would take to do this job right, but I'll help assemble articles, etc.. Or just HTML formatting if trench work needs to be done. > Style Police/Art Director > > Ensure consistent and effective use of layout, graphics and logical > structure of the site as a whole. Assist other WWW developers in > implementing the "www.freebsd.org look and feel". A background in > HCI, with a focus on electronic text and graphic design, is > *extremely* desirable. Again, I can help on this one, but I don't have the design/HCI knowledge to feel comfortable dictating to others how sites should be laid out. I do have a LOT of experience with web site building, but I'm always on the technical "this is what the technology can do" side of the table. My artistic innovation is far less than I'd like =) For a reference, check out http://www.hi-fi.com. I created/designed/coded this site with 3 other friends. www.audiobile.com as well... On a side note, I'm currently talking with a brilliant design friend about the "FreeBSD Image" - he professinally designs the look (logos, slogans, etc.) of companies, and has recently been playing with web site layout. He might have some neato ideas about a new FreeBSD layout. > > Handbook/FAQ/Tutorial Editor > > Solicit new materials, arrange for updating of obsolete sections, > mundane style editing. Good technical writing skills essential > (since hackers are notoriously terrible writers). A familiarity > with the "novice user" is also helpful. Scanning the > freebsd-questions list is a must to keep in touch with what should > be in the FAQ. A broad familiarity with FreeBSD/Unix/X11 is more > important than a deep familiarity. > > Note: The head FAQ maintainer's position has now been assumed > by Peter da Silva , though the Handbook / Tutorials > still need attention and I'm sure that Peter would certainly welcome > any and all help with the FAQ as well. > Again, I can help out... Although I am currently and undergrad in Comp. Sci., I came to University on an Engligh scholarship. I can write, when forced too ;-) > > Database Engineer > > Manage (and hopefully improve) the mailing list archives and web > page searching. > This is the area I'd most like to look into. I don't know if you noticed, but I've already started work along this line! I posted a while back that I was playing with a new mail archive and search format. The fruits of my labour are at: http://vinyl.quickweb.com/mark/FreeBSD The above URL leads to "Round 1" of the experimentation. The current setup uses hypermail to archive, and HtDig to search. Hypermail has to go: pid 14424 (hypermail), uid 1: exited on signal 11 pid 14442 (hypermail), uid 1: exited on signal 11 pid 14567 (hypermail), uid 1: exited on signal 11 pid 14579 (hypermail), uid 1: exited on signal 11 It dumps on any amount of load... The top contender for replacing hypermail is MHonArc - a perl script that arranges articles, which you can view by thread, or date. It's not quite as nifty as hypermail (which lets you order articles by thread, date, subject, or author), but it doesn't core dump - always a bonus. My initial testing of MHonArc is encouraging. Performance is not bad, and the results are visualy pleasing as well. I'm happy with HtDig for searching. I haven't played with the config too much at the above URL, but I think that it can be tweaked to be quite suitable for searching the mail archives (or a web site in general). I like the "5 star" rating stuff, and the ability to display results in a long or short format. An alternative to HtDig (assuming I keep with the MHonArc archiver) is a dedicated MHonArc script. There are two available that I'm aware of, but I haven't tested them yet. And there's always the custom approach, which will eventually be required. I'm still now completely satisfied with any of the systems out there, which suggests I'll have to write one up that does the job right. Maybe I'll talk to my supervisor and see if I can't arrange for some funding to start research along these lines. It's exam time right now, so I've been busy with other matters, but I'm planning on spending a day on the MHonArc testing next Friday (Dec. 13th). Otherwise, I'm heading home for the holidays, so I won't be available until the beginning of January. I'll be on a strict no-computer diet :-) Joe Grecco and myself (as well as several others) have discussed the database possibilities in low detail already. I'm sure we can get something together that will make the wealth of knowledge tucked away in the mail archives more approachable for novices, while being powerful enough to satisfy the hackers. cya, -Mark --------------------------------------------------- | Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com | | RingZero Comp. vinyl.quickweb.com/mark | --------------------------------------------------- "To iterate is human, to recurse divine." - L. Peter Deutsch From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 6 17:42:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA23726 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 17:42:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from night.primate.wisc.edu (night.primate.wisc.edu [144.92.43.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA23721 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 17:42:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dubois@localhost) by night.primate.wisc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.2) id TAA10491; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 19:44:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 19:44:07 -0600 From: dubois@primate.wisc.edu (Paul DuBois) To: mark@quickweb.com (Mark Mayo) Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: hyperrmail (was Re: Following positions...) References: <18334.849897620@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.53 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: ; from Mark Mayo on Dec 6, 1996 19:55:09 -0500 Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mark Mayo writes: > The above URL leads to "Round 1" of the experimentation. The current setup > uses hypermail to archive, and HtDig to search. Hypermail has to go: > > pid 14424 (hypermail), uid 1: exited on signal 11 > pid 14442 (hypermail), uid 1: exited on signal 11 > pid 14567 (hypermail), uid 1: exited on signal 11 > pid 14579 (hypermail), uid 1: exited on signal 11 > > It dumps on any amount of load... The top contender for replacing > hypermail is MHonArc - a perl script that arranges articles, which you can > view by thread, or date. It's not quite as nifty as hypermail (which lets > you order articles by thread, date, subject, or author), but it doesn't > core dump - always a bonus. My initial testing of MHonArc is encouraging. > Performance is not bad, and the results are visualy pleasing as well. I have some patches that fix some bugs in hypermail. They're at: http://www.primate.wisc.edu/software/web-tools/ Contributions of other patches accepted... -- Paul DuBois dubois@primate.wisc.edu Home page: http://www.primate.wisc.edu/people/dubois Software: http://www.primate.wisc.edu/software From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 6 21:45:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA09680 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 21:45:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (mail-gw.pacbell.net [206.13.28.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA09662 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 21:45:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from 206.170.3.82 (ppp-206-170-3-82.okld03.pacbell.net [206.170.3.82]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA13298 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 21:45:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32A89404.5FEA@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 21:45:40 +0000 From: scott mcneil X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-PBMF (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD User Group) ??? X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org/mailto.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In the page http://www.freebsd.org/support.html you list the user group BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD User Group) I have yet to find anyone here in the San Francisco Bay Area who has heard of it, and I really don't think it exists...however I am toying with starting a users group here in Berkeley. Any information on previous or current UNIXUGs in my area would be helpful. Thanks scott From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 6 22:17:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA13782 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 22:17:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from superior.truenorth.org (ppp028-sm2.sirius.com [205.134.231.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA13777 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 22:17:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.truenorth.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA08228; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 22:14:45 -0800 (PST) From: Josef Grosch Message-Id: <199612070614.WAA08228@superior.truenorth.org> Subject: Re: BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD User Group) ??? In-Reply-To: <32A89404.5FEA@pacbell.net> from scott mcneil at "Dec 6, 96 09:45:40 pm" To: mcneil@pacbell.net (scott mcneil) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 22:14:43 -0800 (PST) Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: jgrosch@sirius.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >In the page http://www.freebsd.org/support.html you list the user >group BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD User Group) > >I have yet to find anyone here in the San Francisco Bay Area who has >heard of it, and I really don't think it exists...however I am toying >with starting a users group here in Berkeley. Any information on >previous or current UNIXUGs in my area would be helpful. Thanks > >scott > I am currently trying to kick-start BAFUG back to life. I will be putting up a web page for BAFUG within the next week or so. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Laugh while you can, monkey boy ! | FreeBSD 2.1.6 jgrosch@sirius.com | - John Warfin - | UNIX for the masses From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 6 23:48:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA15842 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:48:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA15837 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:48:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA20704; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:48:10 -0800 (PST) To: scott mcneil cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD User Group) ??? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 06 Dec 1996 21:45:40 GMT." <32A89404.5FEA@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 23:48:10 -0800 Message-ID: <20700.849944890@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It doesn't exist. :-( If someone would like to start one, I wouldn't argue, though Joe Grosch has been talking about doing this lately as well. Jordan > In the page http://www.freebsd.org/support.html you list the user > group BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD User Group) > > I have yet to find anyone here in the San Francisco Bay Area who has > heard of it, and I really don't think it exists...however I am toying > with starting a users group here in Berkeley. Any information on > previous or current UNIXUGs in my area would be helpful. Thanks > > scott From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Dec 7 15:16:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA15323 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 15:16:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from compassion.hotmail.com (compassion.hotmail.com [206.86.127.245]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA15314 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 15:16:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (http://www.hotmail.com 280 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 1996 23:16:08 -0000 Date: 7 Dec 1996 23:16:08 -0000 Message-ID: <19961207231608.279.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.86.127.204 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 Dec 1996 15:16:08 PST From: "Ben Freedman" To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Much needed Addition to Documentation Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Great job on the documentation. A little more might be put in about how to obtain each distribution, what their uses are, and the minimum/recommended installations from DOS to FreeBSD. Thanks Ari --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Dec 7 19:56:43 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA24050 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 19:56:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from router.qseps.qnis.net (root@router.qseps.qnis.net [206.171.190.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA24029 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 19:56:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from router.qseps.qnis.net (phil@router.qseps.qnis.net [206.171.190.2]) by router.qseps.qnis.net (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id TAA02296 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 19:58:53 GMT Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 19:58:52 +0000 () From: Phil Jensen X-Sender: phil@router.qseps.qnis.net To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: documentation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm interested in assisting with the FreeBSD handbook/man documentation project. Attached is a short paper (nroff/me) on FreeBSD quotas, and how to implement them. If you have any extra work, or need some grunt help, I'd be glad to assist you. *snip* .\" FreeBSD Quotas: an easy install guide. .\" By Phil Jensen - Network Administrator .\" QuadraNet Internet Services .\" .\" To view, type: .\" groff -me -Tascii quotas.me .\" .ce 1000 .b "FreeBSD Quotas" .br .b "Written by Phil Jensen" .ce 0 .pp .b FreeBSD quotas are fairly easy to setup. Unfortunately, the man pages do not provide a good place to start, for a first time .b FreeBSD user. The first thing you must do is make sure that support for quotas are enabled in the kernel. By default, it isn't. Please see the section on kernel compilation if you do not know how to do this. Essentially, just add the line: .(b options QUOTA .)b to your kernel configuration, and recompile. .pp Secondly, you must enable quotas for the filesystems you wish to monitor. To do this, edit .b /etc/fstab and add the keywords .b userquota or .b groupquota , depending on whether or not you would like to set quotas by group, or user. If you would like more control over users disk space, select userquota instead of groupquota, or, select both. Place the keyword in field 4, separated with a comma next to .b "rw". Like this: .(b /dev/sd0a / ufs rw,userquota 1 1 .)b After adding the selected flags to the devices, edit your .b /etc/sysconfig file and change check_quotas from NO to YES. At this point, a reboot will be required in order to build the quota files for each filesystem. .pp When you finish rebooting, you may now begin to apply quotas to each user or group. You do this with the edquota command. See also: .b edquota (8). A good way to set quotas for multiple users would be to edit a prototype user and set his/her soft and hard limits, and then to apply that prototype user's quota to multiple users. This way, you don't have to manually edit each user's quota. For example: .(b # edquota phil # edquota -p phil bob mary jane sue joe wpaul .)b This will apply phil's set quota to all of the above users. You can also apply prototyped quotas to groups, rather than users. .pp Well, I know you must be thinking: I have 3795 users. How am I going to set a prototyped user to all of them? There are multiple ways of doing this. Here's a little shell script that I'd use: .(b #!/bin/sh users=$(ls /usr/home) repquota -p phil $users .)b This may croak if your argument line is too long, you can also try: .(b #!/bin/sh users=$(ls /usr/home) for u in $users; do repquota -p phil $u echo "Set quota for $u." done .)b This will take a lot more time, as it execs repquota for every user, but does not overflow the argument vector. .pp If you have any questions or comments on this document, please email: .b phil@qnis.net . Phil Jensen QuadraNet Internet Services Network Administrator / Manager http://www.qnis.net UNIX -is- user-friendly! Its just picky about who its friends are. Check out my Bourne Shell Tips Page! http://www.qnis.net/~phil/faq.html