From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 11 09:23:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA26384 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:23:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from jjarray.umd.edu (jjarray.umd.edu [129.2.40.99]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26379 Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:23:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fcawth@localhost) by jjarray.umd.edu (8.7.3/8.6.12) id MAA08823; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:23:07 -0500 (EST) From: Fred Cawthorne Message-Id: <199603111723.MAA08823@jjarray.umd.edu> Subject: Slow Toshiba 6.7X cdrom drive. To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:23:07 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just purchased a Toshiba 3701B 6.7X scsi drive. I have the 3401 and I like it, and the price was good... Has anyone else had problems getting this drive to work at full speed?? I get 300K/sec with a 486-66 and an Ultrastor 14f controller. I get 500K/sec with a 1542CF on a P-90 system. I can get 1MB/sec with an NCR scsi controller on the pentium system. What's going on here? Toshiba's technical support is EXTREMELY useless (they hung up on me even...) I can get 600K/sec with a zip drive on the Ultrastor, and >1 meg/sec with disks on the 1542... It seems that the scsi interface on this cdrom drive is really inefficient or something. Could it be that my drive is messed up somehow? BTW, I am running 2.1R on the machine with the ultrastor, and I get similar speeds in dos on that machine. I am running a month-old current on the P-90 system... I would appreciate any information about this. I am starting to regret this purchase... I guess I should have bought the Plextor 4X drive. ): From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 11 15:02:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA27039 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 15:02:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA26992 Mon, 11 Mar 1996 15:02:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA14652; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 00:01:59 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA27759; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 00:01:58 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id XAA00663; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 23:46:04 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603112246.XAA00663@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Slow Toshiba 6.7X cdrom drive. To: fcawth@jjarray.umd.edu (Fred Cawthorne) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 23:46:04 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603111723.MAA08823@jjarray.umd.edu> from "Fred Cawthorne" at Mar 11, 96 12:23:07 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Fred Cawthorne wrote: > > I just purchased a Toshiba 3701B 6.7X scsi drive. I have the 3401 and I > like it, and the price was good... Has anyone else had problems getting > this drive to work at full speed?? I get 300K/sec with a 486-66 and > an Ultrastor 14f controller. I get 500K/sec with a 1542CF on a P-90 > system. I can get 1MB/sec with an NCR scsi controller on the pentium system. > What's going on here? Just for reference: i get 330 KB/s (only) from the 3401 on a 486/33 with a Buslogic BT472A (EISA) controller (raw `dd' throughput). The controller is known to get about 5 MB/s from the Seagate Hawk that's also in the machine. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 11 18:40:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA16815 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 18:40:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA16806 Mon, 11 Mar 1996 18:40:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA13266; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 18:39:50 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199603120239.SAA13266@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Slow Toshiba 6.7X cdrom drive. To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 18:39:50 -0800 (PST) Cc: fcawth@jjarray.umd.edu, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199603112246.XAA00663@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Mar 11, 96 11:46:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > As Fred Cawthorne wrote: > > > > I just purchased a Toshiba 3701B 6.7X scsi drive. I have the 3401 and I > > like it, and the price was good... Has anyone else had problems getting > > this drive to work at full speed?? I get 300K/sec with a 486-66 and > > an Ultrastor 14f controller. I get 500K/sec with a 1542CF on a P-90 > > system. I can get 1MB/sec with an NCR scsi controller on the pentium system. > > What's going on here? > > Just for reference: i get 330 KB/s (only) from the 3401 on a 486/33 > with a Buslogic BT472A (EISA) controller (raw `dd' throughput). The > controller is known to get about 5 MB/s from the Seagate Hawk that's > also in the machine. Try the 3 following dd commands, I found that xfer rates on multispin cdrom drives is heavily block size dependent. dd if=/dev/rcd0a of=/dev/null bs=512 dd if=/dev/rcd0a of=/dev/null bs=2048 dd if=/dev/rcd0a of=/dev/null bs=8192 Many drives will due there highest rate with the 8K I/O, a few others seem to like the 2K I/O. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 12 00:51:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA15900 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 00:51:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA15820 Tue, 12 Mar 1996 00:51:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA00426; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 09:50:41 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA02596; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 09:50:40 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id JAA04130; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 09:42:29 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603120842.JAA04130@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Slow Toshiba 6.7X cdrom drive. To: rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 09:42:29 +0100 (MET) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, fcawth@jjarray.umd.edu, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603120239.SAA13266@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Mar 11, 96 06:39:50 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > Try the 3 following dd commands, I found that xfer rates on multispin > cdrom drives is heavily block size dependent. > > dd if=/dev/rcd0a of=/dev/null bs=512 > dd if=/dev/rcd0a of=/dev/null bs=2048 > dd if=/dev/rcd0a of=/dev/null bs=8192 > > Many drives will due there highest rate with the 8K I/O, a few others > seem to like the 2K I/O. The optimum is 8 K blocks (~ 500 KB/s). When enlarging the blocksize again (500 K, dunno how the driver does slice this request), it drops to the aforementioned 300 KB/s. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 12 01:27:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA18969 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 01:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from alumni.cs.colorado.edu (atk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu [128.138.192.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA18942 Tue, 12 Mar 1996 01:27:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from atk@localhost) by alumni.cs.colorado.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA06253; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 02:26:17 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 02:26:17 -0700 (MST) From: Alan T Krantz Message-Id: <199603120926.CAA06253@alumni.cs.colorado.edu> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com Subject: Re: Slow Toshiba 6.7X cdrom drive. Cc: fcawth@jjarray.umd.edu, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ||From owner-freebsd-scsi@freefall.freebsd.org Mon Mar 11 22:06:52 1996 ||> ||> As Fred Cawthorne wrote: ||> > ||> > I just purchased a Toshiba 3701B 6.7X scsi drive. I have the 3401 and I ||> > like it, and the price was good... Has anyone else had problems getting ||> > this drive to work at full speed?? I get 300K/sec with a 486-66 and ||> > an Ultrastor 14f controller. I get 500K/sec with a 1542CF on a P-90 ||> > system. I can get 1MB/sec with an NCR scsi controller on the pentium system. ||> > What's going on here? ||> ||> Just for reference: i get 330 KB/s (only) from the 3401 on a 486/33 ||> with a Buslogic BT472A (EISA) controller (raw `dd' throughput). The ||> controller is known to get about 5 MB/s from the Seagate Hawk that's ||> also in the machine. ||Try the 3 following dd commands, I found that xfer rates on multispin ||cdrom drives is heavily block size dependent. ||dd if=/dev/rcd0a of=/dev/null bs=512 ||dd if=/dev/rcd0a of=/dev/null bs=2048 ||dd if=/dev/rcd0a of=/dev/null bs=8192 ||Many drives will due there highest rate with the 8K I/O, a few others ||seem to like the 2K I/O. ||-- ||Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com ||Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD Out of curiosity I tried this (P-100, NCR810 with FreeBSD 2.0 ) and got 300mb with 4092 and 615mb with 8192 for a Toshiba XM-3601TA 0725. (512 and 1024 were illegal block sizes). Also got around 4 megabyte for a Fuji M1606S-512 which seems a little high... atk From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 12 03:51:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA05307 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 03:51:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA05297 Tue, 12 Mar 1996 03:51:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id BAA01250; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 01:48:34 -1000 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 01:48:34 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199603121148.BAA01250@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: J Wunsch "Re: Slow Toshiba 6.7X cdrom drive." (Mar 12, 9:42am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch), rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Subject: Re: Slow Toshiba 6.7X cdrom drive. Cc: fcawth@jjarray.umd.edu, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } > Try the 3 following dd commands, I found that xfer rates on multispin } > cdrom drives is heavily block size dependent. } > } > dd if=/dev/rcd0a of=/dev/null bs=512 } > dd if=/dev/rcd0a of=/dev/null bs=2048 } > dd if=/dev/rcd0a of=/dev/null bs=8192 } > } > Many drives will due there highest rate with the 8K I/O, a few others } > seem to like the 2K I/O. } } The optimum is 8 K blocks (~ 500 KB/s). When enlarging the blocksize } again (500 K, dunno how the driver does slice this request), it drops } to the aforementioned 300 KB/s. } Hmm. Maybe the driver should be tunable. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 14 07:55:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA14260 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 07:55:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA14254 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 07:55:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA03344 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 07:55:14 -0800 Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA06418; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:52:01 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:52:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron G. Minnich" To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: status of laptops? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk i've been wandering all over freebsd.org looking for the laptop of choice. There seem to be more questions than answers, so i thought i'd try this list. I'm after the following: 1) P90 2) 32+ mb ram 3) long battery life -- two batteries if possible. 3+ hours would sure be nice 4) 800x600x8 5) ethernet card freebsd can deal with 6) and of course the 28.8K modem multimedia not required. it's nice if it is available but if it messes up 1-6 above i'll skip it. Anybody had any luck? is pc card support really here? ron Ron Minnich |" Microsoft Word: It does so little and it does rminnich@sarnoff.com | it so slowly" -- Maya Gokhale (609)-734-3120 | ftp://ftp.sarnoff.com/pub/mnfs/www/docs/cluster.html From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 14 08:15:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA15377 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:15:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp [131.113.32.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA15357 Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:15:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.4W/3.4Wbeta3) id BAA07314; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 01:15:29 +0900 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 01:15:29 +0900 Message-Id: <199603141615.BAA07314@frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Reply-To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: [PCMCIA] pccard-test-960314.tar.gz is now available From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.18PL3] 1994-08/01(Mon) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk pccard-test-960314.tar.gz is now available. This is the first release based on 960303-SNAP (patches relative to 2.1.0R is also provided, but it is the copy of pcccard-test-960308). ftp://bash.cc.keio.ac.jp/pub/os/FreeBSD/alpha-test/pccard/pccard-test-960314.tar.gz -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp WWW homepage: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html Department of Computer Science, Keio University, Yokohama, Japan From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 14 08:33:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA16613 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:33:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from jjarray.umd.edu (jjarray.umd.edu [129.2.40.99]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16608 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:33:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fcawth@localhost) by jjarray.umd.edu (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA13400 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:33:16 -0500 (EST) From: Fred Cawthorne Message-Id: <199603141633.LAA13400@jjarray.umd.edu> Subject: Intel Apache Motherboard???? To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:33:16 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone tried using this new Intel Apache Pentium Pro motherboard?? It is a lot cheaper than the ASUS, and I was wondering what people's thoughts were about this thing... Otherwise, has this PCI slowness problem been solved with the ASUS boards? What is the Pentium Pro board of choice now? Thanks, Fred. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 14 08:35:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA16721 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:35:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from jjarray.umd.edu (jjarray.umd.edu [129.2.40.99]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16715 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:35:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fcawth@localhost) by jjarray.umd.edu (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA13412 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:35:03 -0500 (EST) From: Fred Cawthorne Message-Id: <199603141635.LAA13412@jjarray.umd.edu> Subject: OOps I meant the Intel Aurora... To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:35:03 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (It's hard to keep up with all of these marketing-type names...) I wanted to ask about the Aurora Pentium Pro motherboard from Intel in my last message... Thanks, Fred. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 14 08:36:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA16876 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:36:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA16871 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:36:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA03884 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:36:17 -0800 Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA09488; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:35:08 -0700 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:35:08 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199603141635.JAA09488@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: "Ron G. Minnich" Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: status of laptops? In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > i've been wandering all over freebsd.org looking for the laptop of > choice. There seem to be more questions than answers, so i thought i'd try > this list. I'm after the following: > 1) P90 > 2) 32+ mb ram > 3) long battery life -- two batteries if possible. 3+ hours would sure be > nice > 4) 800x600x8 > 5) ethernet card freebsd can deal with > 6) and of course the 28.8K modem NEC Versa 4000c. I have it on good faith that the X display works (from a Linux user unfortunately, but X is X.:), and they haven't changed anything on the machine except for the mouse and re-packaged it to be much different from my NEC Versa P. However, you won't be able to get 32MB of memory in it. They come stock with 8MB of memory, and you can upgrade it in 16MB chunks. I've got 24 in mine and it works pretty nice. The ethernet card to use is the 3C589C PC-CARD, which is supported in both -stable and -current (a minor patch to the driver in 2.1R was necessary to support the newer models). For modems, an external works today, and true PC-Card support should be in FreeBSD 2.2, or you can rely on the alpha PC-Card driver the 'BSD Nomad' folks have been releasing regularly, which is the basis of the code going into 2.2. This box also has an Ensonsic Sound System which can emulate a SB Pro on-board, and has one of the nicest displays available IMHO. And, if you want you can throw a CD player in it and mess with the ATAPI driver to make it work. (Again, I have it on good faith that the CD works with the Linux driver, so it is a generic ATAPI CD, and will work once we get our IDE CD driver working better). > multimedia not required. it's nice if it is available but if it messes > up 1-6 above i'll skip it. Anybody had any luck? is pc card support > really here? I *love* my NEC laptop, and it has all of the feature you asked for. Another great choice is the IBM ThinkPad 760 series. ThinkPad's are *much* more expensive, but are the most rugged of all the 'true' laptops on the market. Nate From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 14 11:34:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA26593 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:34:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from thunder.lightning.net (redhead@[206.148.240.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA26588 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:34:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from redhead@localhost) by thunder.lightning.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA10728; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:34:29 -0500 From: Reid Fishler Message-Id: <199603141934.OAA10728@thunder.lightning.net> Subject: Seagate ST15230N To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:34:28 -0500 (EST) Cc: partek@thunder.lightning.net (David Anderson) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello. I am trying to install FreeBSD on a machine P90 with an AMI Bios, Adaptec 2940 PCI SCSI adaptor card, and a Seagate 15230N. I get the error "Cannot swap to (any partition I try here), device not writeable" or something like that...Can you help me? Reid Fishler From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 14 14:27:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA07645 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:27:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (darkwing.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07640 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:26:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from claussen@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.7.3/8.7.1) id OAA27096; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:25:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:25:22 -0800 (PST) From: "/\\/\\ike Claussen" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Multiprocessor Support? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Will FreeBSD currently support multiprocessor (dual pentium) motherboards? Thanks /\/\ike -- ********************************************************************* * Mike Claussen email: claussen@darkwing.uoregon.edu * office: 233 Computing Center * Student Consultant voice: (541)346-1773 * UofO Computing Center fax: (541)346-4397 * From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 14 14:32:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA08147 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08139 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:32:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA08682 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:32:01 -0800 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA09532; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 09:12:05 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199603142242.JAA09532@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: status of laptops? To: rminnich@Sarnoff.COM (Ron G. Minnich) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 09:12:04 +1030 (CST) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Ron G. Minnich" at Mar 14, 96 10:52:00 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ron G. Minnich stands accused of saying: > > i've been wandering all over freebsd.org looking for the laptop of > choice. There seem to be more questions than answers, so i thought i'd try > this list. I'm after the following: > 1) P90 > 2) 32+ mb ram > 3) long battery life -- two batteries if possible. 3+ hours would sure be > nice > 4) 800x600x8 > 5) ethernet card freebsd can deal with > 6) and of course the 28.8K modem > > multimedia not required. it's nice if it is available but if it messes > up 1-6 above i'll skip it. Anybody had any luck? is pc card support > really here? I've heard good noises about the Toshiba T410CS; this is one of the units I was looking at back when I thought I was going to get one. Stock they come with 8M of memory and no ethernet, but they appear to run XFree fine and memory is available (if not cheap, then again no notebook memory is cheap). Also from my point of view Toshiba's "worldwide warranty" stuff was a big plus. > Ron Minnich |" Microsoft Word: It does so little and it does -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 15 11:45:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA25503 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:45:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from sumter.awod.com (awod.com [198.81.225.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA25498 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:45:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from Ken (tsunami.awod.com [198.81.225.31]) by sumter.awod.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA01503 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 14:45:23 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4b12.32.19960315194501.0092785c@awod.com> X-Sender: klam@awod.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4b12 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 14:45:01 -0500 To: hardware@FreeBSD.org From: Ken Lam Subject: Re: status of laptops? Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:12 AM 3/15/96 +1030, you wrote: >Ron G. Minnich stands accused of saying: >> >> i've been wandering all over freebsd.org looking for the laptop of >> choice. There seem to be more questions than answers, so i thought i'd try >> this list. I'm after the following: >> 1) P90 >> 2) 32+ mb ram >> 3) long battery life -- two batteries if possible. 3+ hours would sure be >> nice >> 4) 800x600x8 >> 5) ethernet card freebsd can deal with >> 6) and of course the 28.8K modem >> >> multimedia not required. it's nice if it is available but if it messes >> up 1-6 above i'll skip it. Anybody had any luck? is pc card support >> really here? > >I've heard good noises about the Toshiba T410CS; this is one of the units >I was looking at back when I thought I was going to get one. >Stock they come with 8M of memory and no ethernet, but they appear to run >XFree fine and memory is available (if not cheap, then again no notebook >memory is cheap). > >Also from my point of view Toshiba's "worldwide warranty" stuff was a big >plus. > I haven't tried the Toshibas, but I have a IBM TP755CX which works great. maxes at 40MB ram, good battery life (especially if you get Lithium Ion). 800x600 (but needs some work to work - see the Linux Xfree(chipset) stuff for portables). We use the 3com pcmcia card fine. Would be great if we could use the MWAVE stuff for sound and modem, but no joy there. Have played with the USR sporster28.8 pccard, seems to work. -k From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 15 16:47:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA15459 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:47:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA15454 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:47:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA00934 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:47:23 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA17290; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:45:41 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199603160045.QAA17290@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Multiprocessor Support? To: claussen@darkwing.uoregon.edu (/\\/\\ike Claussen) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:45:41 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "/\\/\\ike Claussen" at Mar 14, 96 02:25:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Will FreeBSD currently support multiprocessor (dual pentium) motherboards? > The last known person working on this was Terry Lambert, you may wish to contact him about the status of this Work In Process. I do not know if he is on the hardware list, and I don't have an email address handy, and Sprint is down again so I can't look it up for you :-(. But, I _think_ terry@freebsd.org should get to him. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 15 16:51:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA15607 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:51:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA15602 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:51:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA01001 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:51:05 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA17299; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:49:28 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199603160049.QAA17299@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Intel Apache Motherboard???? To: fcawth@jjarray.umd.edu (Fred Cawthorne) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:49:28 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603141633.LAA13400@jjarray.umd.edu> from "Fred Cawthorne" at Mar 14, 96 11:33:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Has anyone tried using this new Intel Apache Pentium Pro motherboard?? Nope, but then I have a nasty habbit of not touching any motherboards made by Intel, unless it is out of the Server's group. > It is a lot cheaper than the ASUS, and I was wondering what people's thoughts > were about this thing... > > Otherwise, has this PCI slowness problem been solved with the ASUS boards? Nope, and it won't be until Intel starts to ship B0 stepping Orion to OEM's, and that is not predicted to occur until some time in April. > What is the Pentium Pro board of choice now? NONE! The Orion chip set is seriously flawed in several design aspects, and even the B0 stepping will not fix these flaws. Until the second generation P6 chip sets come out of Intel my advice on Pentium Pro is simply _don't_ do it. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 15 17:42:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA17737 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:42:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from databus.databus.com (root@databus.databus.com [198.186.154.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA17717 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:42:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9603152042.AA01549@databus.databus.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 96 20:42 EST From: Barney Wolff To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel Apache Motherboard???? Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From: "Rodney W. Grimes" >Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:49:28 -0800 (PST) > >NONE! The Orion chip set is seriously flawed in several design aspects, >and even the B0 stepping will not fix these flaws. Until the second >generation P6 chip sets come out of Intel my advice on Pentium Pro is >simply _don't_ do it. Could you provide particulars or a URL? For example, Intel's web server says that a bursting PCI device can lock out an ISA device, and advises that one only use PCI-master NICs, for example. Is that all that's wrong, or is it something that can't be worked around? Thanks, Barney Wolff From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 15 19:14:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA24896 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 19:14:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA24886 Fri, 15 Mar 1996 19:14:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from basenet.basenet.com (root@basenet.basenet.com [206.74.12.34]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA02967 ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 19:14:30 -0800 Received: from [206.74.12.43] (orion.basenet.com [206.74.12.43]) by basenet.basenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA14921; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 22:19:02 -0500 X-Sender: erich@206.74.12.34 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 22:20:08 -0500 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: erich@basenet.com (Eric Hester) Subject: comtrol rocketports Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi There, I have been running a linux for about a year now at my ISP. I have tolerated its instability (minor up until recently) But I have just recently started playing with FreeBSD, which I am most impressed with. Anyway to the point. I have terminal servers running linux with comtrol rocketports. If I am to move to FreeBSD I will have to have comtrol drivers for it. I know BSDI supports comtrol. Is there/will there be support for rocketports anytime soon? would it be terribly hard to port either the linux or bsdi driver to FreeBSD (Forgive me, but Im still learning FreeBSD structure.. it seems terribly similar to BSDI, whcih makes sense)... any help is appreciated. ---------Base Internet Services - Base Computer Systems, Inc.----------- Eric Hester erich@basenet.com President/System Administrator 864 855-9812 x6201 ---------Base Internet Services - Base Computer Systems, Inc.----------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 15 22:48:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA08525 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 22:48:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA08520 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 22:48:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id WAA05784 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 22:48:32 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA17634; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 22:46:54 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199603160646.WAA17634@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Intel Apache Motherboard???? To: barney@databus.com (Barney Wolff) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 22:46:54 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9603152042.AA01545@databus.databus.com> from "Barney Wolff" at Mar 15, 96 08:42:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > >From: "Rodney W. Grimes" > >Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:49:28 -0800 (PST) > > > >NONE! The Orion chip set is seriously flawed in several design aspects, > >and even the B0 stepping will not fix these flaws. Until the second > >generation P6 chip sets come out of Intel my advice on Pentium Pro is > >simply _don't_ do it. > > Could you provide particulars or a URL? For example, Intel's web > server says that a bursting PCI device can lock out an ISA device, and > advises that one only use PCI-master NICs, for example. Is that all > that's wrong, or is it something that can't be worked around? I wish I could provide particulars, but NDA's prevent most of that, one place to go look is on www.sfgate.com, there should be a SF Examinier Article (search for Intel) about some of the problems. Other problems have not be acknowledged by Intel in any public forum that I can find :-(. Ask yourself this question though, why did Intel in September or so of 1995 say that the Pentium Pro was only going to the Server class market initially, and then in November/Decemeber start shipping product into the home/desktop market. Can you say ``chipset that would not work well in a server, so dump it into the desktop market until we can come up with one that will''. Also ask yourself why there are not any SMP Orion machines on the market. I wish Intel would have learned it's leason from the FPU bug, the Neptune bus master fiasco, the Triton Parity mess etc. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Mar 16 07:46:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA09354 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 07:46:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA09336 Sat, 16 Mar 1996 07:46:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id JAA24201; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 09:45:46 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199603161545.JAA24201@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: comtrol rocketports To: erich@basenet.com (Eric Hester) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 09:45:46 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Eric Hester" at Mar 15, 96 10:20:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi There, > > I have been running a linux for about a year now at my ISP. I have > tolerated its instability (minor up until recently) But I have just > recently started playing with FreeBSD, which I am most impressed with. > Anyway to the point. I have terminal servers running linux with comtrol > rocketports. If I am to move to FreeBSD I will have to have comtrol drivers > for it. I know BSDI supports comtrol. Yup. > Is there/ Nope. > will there be support for rocketports anytime soon? Only if somebody writes or ports one.. > would it be terribly hard to port either the > linux or bsdi driver to FreeBSD (Forgive me, but Im still learning FreeBSD > structure.. it seems terribly similar to BSDI, whcih makes sense)... any > help is appreciated. This is an issue that's also near and dear to my heart as I'm looking at serial port issues (well, I have been for a very long time)... The Linux driver is probably not (directly) portable due to what others have described as fundamental paradigm differences. It would, however, probably be a great source of general information. The BSDI driver, IIRC, is part of the BSDI distribution rather than being contributed software, so the driver is probably under BSDI copyright. For what it's worth, I believe quite strongly that FreeBSD needs support for these serial port solutions! Hayes ESP 1 and 8 port (in enhanced mode), Comtrol Rocketport, etc. Not everybody can afford the more expensive offerings from Stallion and Specialix (look at the cost for just 8 ports).. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Mar 16 10:39:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA23137 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 10:39:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA23120 Sat, 16 Mar 1996 10:39:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id KAA16123; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 10:49:47 -0800 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 11:39:35 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: Joe Greco cc: Eric Hester , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: comtrol rocketports In-Reply-To: <199603161545.JAA24201@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 16 Mar 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > > I have been running a linux for about a year now at my ISP. I have > > tolerated its instability (minor up until recently) But I have just > > recently started playing with FreeBSD, which I am most impressed with. > > Anyway to the point. I have terminal servers running linux with comtrol > > rocketports. If I am to move to FreeBSD I will have to have comtrol drivers > > for it. I know BSDI supports comtrol. > > will there be support for rocketports anytime soon? > Only if somebody writes or ports one.. > For what it's worth, I believe quite strongly that FreeBSD needs support for > these serial port solutions! Hayes ESP 1 and 8 port (in enhanced mode), > Comtrol Rocketport, etc. Not everybody can afford the more expensive > offerings from Stallion and Specialix (look at the cost for just 8 ports).. And what's wrong with building special-purpose terminal servers out of Linux boxes and using FreeBSD for all the other servers? After all, Linux is UNIX too and all a terminal server needs to do is run a bunch of serial ports and maybe a few rlogins to a FreeBSD shell server. Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-546-8022 Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com