From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 21 02:03:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA02768 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 02:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA02762 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 02:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA07657 for hardware@freebsd.org; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:33:23 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199610210903.SAA07657@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Soyo --> Soltek To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:33:22 +0930 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Some perhaps-useful information... According to scuttlebutt, the 'brains' have left Soyo and are now working as/for Soltek. Against my better judgment (and because we were desperate for a new board today), we bit for one of their VX-based boards. The board looks very similar, style-wise, to a Soyo, although perhaps a bit neater. It's also a sub-baby-AT footprint. 256K PB onboard, 4xPCI, 4xISA, etc. SDRAM socket available as an option, COAST socket for more cache, &c &c. Basically, "everything works"; it worlds OK (though with a P120 on it, not in record time), and talks to our ISA card as needed. It also feels a shade snappier than the FX-based board it replaces (though this may be 'new broom' syndrome). The part number : SL-52B2, cost ~AUD$150.- ex. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 21 18:25:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA00847 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00842 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id TAA14597; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:25:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.ampr.ab.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA28299; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:16:25 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:16:22 -0600 (MDT) From: Marc Slemko X-Sender: marcs@alive.ampr.ab.ca To: Stefan Esser cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ncr 825 clone hunt In-Reply-To: <199610160920.LAA03243@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 16 Oct 1996, Stefan Esser wrote: > Darryl Okahata writes: > > > Does anyone know a source of ncr 825 clones? I'm suddenly having troubles > > > getting the one from Tyan, and I need a new scsi controller for my new smp > > > system. Thanks! > > > > The only other one I know about is the Tekram DC-390W. > > > > If STefan ever gets the 875 working, you'll also be able to use the > > DC-390U or DC-390F (but not the plain "DC-309", which is based upon an > > AMD -- and not an NCR -- chip). > > Please allow me to add two comments: > > 1) Did you try a DC390F under FreeBSD-current, recently :) It looks to me like the diff to get the DC390F to work under -stable would be quite trivial. Has anyone done so or tried to do so, before I try tracking down the card? From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 22 02:42:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA18082 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 02:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA18057 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 02:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr2-37.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA25771 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:40:39 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.7.6/8.6.9) id LAA01899; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:40:34 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199610220940.LAA01899@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:40:34 +0200 From: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) To: marcs@znep.com (Marc Slemko) Cc: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser), freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ncr 825 clone hunt In-Reply-To: ; from Marc Slemko on Oct 21, 1996 19:16:22 -0600 References: X-Mailer: Mutt 0.45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Marc Slemko writes: > On Wed, 16 Oct 1996, Stefan Esser wrote: > > > Darryl Okahata writes: > > > > Does anyone know a source of ncr 825 clones? I'm suddenly having troubles > > > > getting the one from Tyan, and I need a new scsi controller for my new smp > > > > system. Thanks! > > > > > > The only other one I know about is the Tekram DC-390W. > > > > > > If STefan ever gets the 875 working, you'll also be able to use the > > > DC-390U or DC-390F (but not the plain "DC-309", which is based upon an > > > AMD -- and not an NCR -- chip). > > > > Please allow me to add two comments: > > > > 1) Did you try a DC390F under FreeBSD-current, recently :) > > It looks to me like the diff to get the DC390F to work under -stable would > be quite trivial. > > Has anyone done so or tried to do so, before I try tracking down the card? I will merge in all the changes that made it into -current, after they proved to not cause any trouble. The planned date for the merge is end of this week or next week, depending on a few other things ... But if you want to receive the patches in advance, I can prepare a set of diffs ... Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 22 19:57:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25451 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 19:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA25446 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 19:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA22856 for hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 12:27:02 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199610230257.MAA22856@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: CNET ethernet cards? To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 12:27:02 +0930 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hiho people, it's time to play hunt-the-working-hardware again 8( I'm looking for a new source of Digital DC2104x-based ethernet cards. The SMC's I'm using are great, but local availability sucks. I can get the current Compex cards, but I was burnt once with them changing their cards and I'd prefer not to repeat the experience. I've been offered the CNET CN970EBT at a reasonable price, and with good availability. I _seem_ to recall Rod endorsing these guys, but I can't actually find his mail anywhere. Anyone? Anyone got one of the current Compex cards working happily with Matt's latest if_de? -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 23 03:59:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA12025 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 03:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from methan.chemie.fu-berlin.de (methan.chemie.fu-berlin.de [160.45.22.81]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA12009 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 03:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by methan.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.29.1) from uriela.in-berlin.de (192.109.42.147) with smtp id ; Wed, 23 Oct 96 12:51 MET DST Received: by uriela.in-berlin.de (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.8) id ; Wed, 23 Oct 96 11:51 MET Received: from dva.in-berlin.de by never.never.mind.de with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0vG0wv-000EomC; Wed, 23 Oct 96 12:54 MET DST Received: by dva.in-berlin.de id m0vFzzm-000GDdC; Wed, 23 Oct 96 11:53 MET DST (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.1) Message-Id: From: balu@dva.in-berlin.de (Boris Staeblow) Subject: Re: CNET ethernet cards? To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 11:53:06 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I've been offered the CNET CN970EBT at a reasonable price, and with >good availability. I _seem_ to recall Rod endorsing these guys, but >I can't actually find his mail anywhere. I'm using the CNET 935x successfully here with -current. This is a PCI Busmaster, DC2104x-based ethernet card. Boris. -- balu@dva.in-berlin.de Boris Staeblow From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 23 08:10:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA21202 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21197 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA04483; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:09:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199610231509.IAA04483@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: CNET ethernet cards? In-Reply-To: <199610230257.MAA22856@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from Michael Smith at "Oct 23, 96 12:27:02 pm" To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hiho people, it's time to play hunt-the-working-hardware again 8( > > I'm looking for a new source of Digital DC2104x-based ethernet cards. > The SMC's I'm using are great, but local availability sucks. I can get > the current Compex cards, but I was burnt once with them changing their > cards and I'd prefer not to repeat the experience. > > I've been offered the CNET CN970EBT at a reasonable price, and with > good availability. I _seem_ to recall Rod endorsing these guys, but > I can't actually find his mail anywhere. I have not endorsed this card, never haveing seen one. I am currently using the Kingston KNE40BT cards for production, they have been qualified by me for use in the FreeBSD systems I sell. Do not however attempt to use the Kingston KNE100TX, I am having problems with it. On the 21140 side I have gone to the D-Link DFE-500TX. > > Anyone? Anyone got one of the current Compex cards working happily with > Matt's latest if_de? He hasn't sent me mail telling me that he has released the really ugly hacks to make it work with the Compex card I sent him for his test lab. He has found the problem (long long ago) and _could_ hack around it, but the hack to make it work could very easily have side effects for other boards. Compex has done some strange things on the card that requires you to do some special I/O to make it work, this special I/O only appears in thier drivers so they basicially broke everyone who had written a DC21xxx driver, something I frown on and avoid if at all possible. For this stunt I have placed them on my ``don't buy list, never know when they are going to screw you over with a revision of a product, and can't get you reasonable engineering responses to an opened problem ticket''. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 23 12:30:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA04238 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 12:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.winc.com (root@home.winc.com [204.178.182.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04232 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 12:30:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix.aristar.com (slip125.winc.com [204.178.182.125]) by home.winc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05215; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 15:30:44 -0400 Message-ID: <326E72B9.41C67EA6@aristar.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 15:32:09 -0400 From: "Matthew A. Gessner" Organization: Aristar, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Hardware group Subject: multiport I/O cards Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, all, We're looking for a cheap solution to a database problem. We're going to host FreeBSD on an old Dell 386DX/33 machine w/ 8MB RAM and an old Sony CD-ROM. We need to have multiple serial ports, so we need a multiport card. Can anyone suggest (a) a brand, (b) a supplier, and (c) a reasonable cost? Thanks! -- Matthew Gessner, Computer Scientist, Aristar, Inc. 302 N. Cleveland-Massillon Rd. Akron, OH 44333 Voice (330) 668-2267, Fax (330) 668-2961 From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 23 19:46:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA01540 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 19:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01530 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 19:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA04482; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:15:15 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199610240245.MAA04482@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: CNET ethernet cards? To: rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:15:15 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199610231509.IAA04483@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Oct 23, 96 08:09:35 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rodney W. Grimes stands accused of saying: > > > > I've been offered the CNET CN970EBT at a reasonable price, and with > > good availability. I _seem_ to recall Rod endorsing these guys, but > > I can't actually find his mail anywhere. > > I have not endorsed this card, never haveing seen one. I am currently > using the Kingston KNE40BT cards for production, they have been qualified > by me for use in the FreeBSD systems I sell. Ok. I received a response indicating that the CNET CN935EBT works with the -current driver OK; I have been offered a KTX tulip-based card for evaluation at about half the price of the CNET card, and will report on its functionality later today. KTX are about as low as one can go in this country; I expect the card to be pretty poor, but as all of the critical hardware on those cards is inside the blob one can _hope_ that they got it OK. > > Anyone? Anyone got one of the current Compex cards working > happily with > Matt's latest if_de? He hasn't sent me mail telling > me that he has released the really ugly hacks to make it work with > the Compex card I sent him for his test lab. He has found the > problem (long long ago) and _could_ hack around it, but the hack to > make it work could very easily have side effects for other boards. > Compex has done some strange things on the card that requires you to > do some special I/O to make it work, this special I/O only appears > in thier drivers so they basicially broke everyone who had written a > DC21xxx driver, something I frown How does this explain their card working with the stock W95 driver, which predates the release of their card by several months? > on and avoid if at all possible. For this stunt I have placed them > on my ``don't buy list, never know when they are going to screw you > over with a revision of a product, and can't get you reasonable > engineering responses to an opened problem ticket''. I agree totally on your evaluation of their product policies; the card didn't even get a new *&^%*&$%%^$ model number, so you have to check the board rev. to determine whether it will work or not. > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 24 07:47:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA26014 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 07:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA25994 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 07:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA02932 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 16:47:29 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id QAA16922 for hardware@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 16:47:10 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.0/keltia-uucp-2.9) id QAA27020; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 16:44:15 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199610241444.QAA27020@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 16:44:14 +0200 From: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) To: hardware@freebsd.org (Hardware Mailing list) Subject: ZIP drives with parallel interface driver X-Mailer: Mutt 0.48.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#2584 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk A friend of mine just told me that someone has written a driver for ZIP drives over parallel interface. Anyone interested should look at -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #25: Tue Oct 15 21:13:57 MET DST 1996 From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 24 10:16:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA06670 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from j51.com (root@gorplex.j51.com [199.224.7.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06664 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from drew@localhost) by j51.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA16585 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 13:13:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Drew C Morone Message-Id: <199610241713.NAA16585@j51.com> Subject: Moving SCSI drives To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 13:13:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I want to move my Quantum PD1800 from a computer with an NCR controller to one with an Adaptec 2940 controller. When I do this, I get the old F? problem or "Missing Operating System" which I suppose has to do with an incompatible geometry with the Adaptec controller. I've tried toggling >1 gig translation but get the same thing. Are there any other things I can do in the setup to get the Adaptec to recognise the OS? If I put it back on the NCR it works fine. Drew From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 24 11:25:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA12277 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seabass.progroup.com (catfish.progroup.com [206.24.122.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12269 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from craig@localhost) by seabass.progroup.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id LAA13996; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610241824.LAA13996@seabass.progroup.com> Subject: Re: Moving SCSI drives To: drew@j51.com (Drew C Morone) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:24:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Craig Shaver" Cc: hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610241713.NAA16585@j51.com> from "Drew C Morone" at Oct 24, 96 01:13:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I want to move my Quantum PD1800 from a computer with an NCR controller > to one with an Adaptec 2940 controller. > When I do this, I get the old F? problem or "Missing Operating System" > which I suppose has to do with an incompatible geometry with the Adaptec > controller. I've tried toggling >1 gig translation but get the same > thing. Are there any other things I can do in the setup to get the > Adaptec to recognise the OS? If I put it back on the NCR it works fine. > > Drew > Will the adaptec allow you to put the drive on a target that does not do bios translation? You would have to boot from another drive or floppy to get to it. Did you use bios translation on the ncr? I am pretty sure I was able to use the actual drive geometry with my "dedicated" boot drive on the ncr. Probably the best way to move the disk is by doing a tape backup and restore of some kind. -- Craig Shaver (craig@progroup.com) (415)390-0654 Productivity Group POB 60458 Sunnyvale, CA 94088 From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 24 11:28:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA12402 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.hsc.wvu.edu (www.hsc.wvu.edu [157.182.105.122]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12388 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jsigmon@localhost) by www.hsc.wvu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA24762; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 14:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 14:27:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeremy Sigmon To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Is SmartUPS the way to go? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk My boss is (finally) ready to buy a UPS for our web server. I sifted through the mailing list (this messages that actually showed up) and saw quite a few references for SmartUPS, but no one saying: Yes we have a driver and it works perfectly. Does it work and if so do I need anyones patches to get it to work? thanks for your time. ====================================================================== Jeremy Sigmon B.S. ChE | Web Developer of the Robert C. Byrd Health | Use Sciences Center of West Virginia University | FreeBSD WWW.HSC.WVU.EDU | Now Graduate Student in Computer Science | Office : 293-1060 | From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 24 11:50:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA13774 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13769 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA06471; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:50:25 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:50:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199610241850.MAA06471@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: Jeremy Sigmon Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is SmartUPS the way to go? In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > My boss is (finally) ready to buy a UPS for our web server. I sifted > through the mailing list (this messages that actually showed up) and > saw quite a few references for SmartUPS, but no one saying: > Yes we have a driver and it works perfectly. Yes, we have a piece of software (upsd) and it works. Having *just* gone through this I recommend that you get the UPS SmartUPS (not the SmartUPS V/S). > Does it work and if so do I need anyones patches to get it to work? > thanks for your time. After someone sent me a configuration file for the V/S (which I got unfortunately), I'm running UPS'd right now. Every once in a while I go pull the plug on it to freak out co-workers and prove that the software really works. The upsd stuff is sitting in the incoming directory on freefall. Nate From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 24 12:15:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA15468 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15455; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610241915.MAA15455@freefall.freebsd.org> To: Drew C Morone cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Moving SCSI drives In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 24 Oct 1996 13:13:54 EDT." <199610241713.NAA16585@j51.com> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:15:08 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I want to move my Quantum PD1800 from a computer with an NCR controller >to one with an Adaptec 2940 controller. >When I do this, I get the old F? problem or "Missing Operating System" >which I suppose has to do with an incompatible geometry with the Adaptec >controller. I've tried toggling >1 gig translation but get the same >thing. Are there any other things I can do in the setup to get the >Adaptec to recognise the OS? If I put it back on the NCR it works fine. > >Drew You will not be able to boot from it unless you back up the dat, change the geometry, and restore the data. If you want to use it as a non-boot drive, you should have no problem as FreeBSD uses LBA to access the data and LBA is geometry agnostic. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 24 19:14:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA13034 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (daemon@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA13026 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id MAA18566 for hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 12:13:54 +1000 Received: from pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au by ogre.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.7.5/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id MAA18120 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 12:20:42 +1000 (EST) Received: from netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au [167.123.24.12]) by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA17347 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 12:15:45 +1000 Received: from localhost by netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.8.1/DEVETIR-0.1) id CAA09619 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 02:13:49 GMT Message-Id: <199610250213.CAA09619@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Setting up an actively terminated SCSI chain. X-Face: 3}heU+2?b->-GSF-G4T4>jEB9~FR(V9lo&o>kAy=Pj&;oVOc<|pr%I/VSG"ZD32J>5gGC0N 7gj]^GI@M:LlqNd]|(2OxOxy@$6@/!,";-!OlucF^=jq8s57$%qXd/ieC8DhWmIy@J1AcnvSGV\|*! >Bvu7+0h4zCY^]{AxXKsDTlgA2m]fX$W@'8ev-Qi+-;%L'CcZ'NBL!@n?}q!M&Em3*eW7,093nOeV8 M)(u+6D;%B7j\XA/9j4!Gj~&jYzflG[#)E9sI&Xe9~y~Gn%fA7>F:YKr"Wx4cZU*6{^2ocZ!YyR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 12:13:49 +1000 From: Stephen Hocking Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have the following equipment - 1 swish cable with the active terminator stuff at the end. 1 mouldy old 1542B controller 1 Seagate Barracuda (2Gb, narrow) 1 Tandberg TDC 3800 QIC-525 1 Micropolis 1684-7 drive (330Mb). I have a handbook for the barracuda which talks about what jumpers to set for active/nonactive termination & who supplies termination power to the bus. I don't have a manual for the tape drive, the Micropolis came out of a system that was using active termination (so I don't have to worry about it!), so what I was wondering was a) does anyone know where I could get a sheet for the tandberg drive b) How to set the whole mess up to use active termination. Stephen -- The views expressed above are not those of the Worker's Compensation Board of Queensland, Australia. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 24 19:40:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA14636 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA14630 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA16271; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 12:10:37 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199610250240.MAA16271@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Setting up an actively terminated SCSI chain. To: sysseh@devetir.qld.gov.au (Stephen Hocking) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 12:10:36 +0930 (CST) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199610250213.CAA09619@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> from "Stephen Hocking" at Oct 25, 96 12:13:49 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stephen Hocking stands accused of saying: > > I have the following equipment - > > 1 swish cable with the active terminator stuff at the end. > 1 mouldy old 1542B controller > 1 Seagate Barracuda (2Gb, narrow) > 1 Tandberg TDC 3800 QIC-525 > 1 Micropolis 1684-7 drive (330Mb). > > I have a handbook for the barracuda which talks about what jumpers to set for > active/nonactive termination & who supplies termination power to the bus. I > don't have a manual for the tape drive, the Micropolis came out of a system > that was using active termination (so I don't have to worry about it!), so > what I was wondering was > > a) does anyone know where I could get a sheet for the tandberg drive You shouldn't need one; the shiny silver label on the back should have the jumper assignments on it. Check the drive to see if it has SIP sockets; if so, it's a passive-termination device and you can rip the resistor packs (if there are any there). > b) How to set the whole mess up to use active termination. Put the 'cuda at one end, set it for active termination. Put the 'swish cable' at the other end. Put everything else in the middle, with termination turned off. Rip the resistor packs from the 1542; make sure it is supplying terminator power. > Stephen -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 24 19:57:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA15310 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15301 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:56:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA14803 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:56:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA16446; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 12:26:29 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199610250256.MAA16446@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: ZIP drives with parallel interface driver To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 12:26:29 +0930 (CST) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610241444.QAA27020@keltia.freenix.fr> from "Ollivier Robert" at Oct 24, 96 04:44:14 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ollivier Robert stands accused of saying: > > A friend of mine just told me that someone has written a driver for ZIP > drives over parallel interface. Anyone interested should look at > > ... this actually goes further and is infact a driver for the parallel-port SCSI adapter that the Zip uses. Performance appears to be _very_ poor (around 15k/sec), but could probably be tweaked. The driver is quite compact and looks very tidy. I don't have one of these to play with or I would, but does anyone know what the SCSI/parallel adapter the Zip uses is? > Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 24 22:29:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA22314 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 22:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22309 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 22:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA09322; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 22:28:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199610250528.WAA09322@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Setting up an actively terminated SCSI chain. In-Reply-To: <199610250240.MAA16271@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from Michael Smith at "Oct 25, 96 12:10:36 pm" To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 22:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sysseh@devetir.qld.gov.au, hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Stephen Hocking stands accused of saying: > > > > I have the following equipment - > > > > 1 swish cable with the active terminator stuff at the end. > > 1 mouldy old 1542B controller > > 1 Seagate Barracuda (2Gb, narrow) > > 1 Tandberg TDC 3800 QIC-525 > > 1 Micropolis 1684-7 drive (330Mb). > > > > I have a handbook for the barracuda which talks about what jumpers to set for > > active/nonactive termination & who supplies termination power to the bus. I > > don't have a manual for the tape drive, the Micropolis came out of a system > > that was using active termination (so I don't have to worry about it!), so > > what I was wondering was > > > > a) does anyone know where I could get a sheet for the tandberg drive > > You shouldn't need one; the shiny silver label on the back should have the > jumper assignments on it. Check the drive to see if it has SIP sockets; > if so, it's a passive-termination device and you can rip the resistor > packs (if there are any there). > > > b) How to set the whole mess up to use active termination. > > Put the 'cuda at one end, set it for active termination. Put the > 'swish cable' at the other end. Put everything else in the middle, with > termination turned off. Rip the resistor packs from the 1542; make sure it > is supplying terminator power. All correct except for one small detail, also make sure the baracuda is suppling termination power on it's own. It is best to have the term power supplied by the closests device since term power over the scsi cable will invariable have noise on it caused by mutual induction and capacitative coupling in the cable itself. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 24 23:21:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA25081 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 23:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA25067 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 23:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA18255; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 15:50:49 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199610250620.PAA18255@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Setting up an actively terminated SCSI chain. To: rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 15:50:48 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, sysseh@devetir.qld.gov.au, hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610250528.WAA09322@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Oct 24, 96 10:28:36 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rodney W. Grimes stands accused of saying: > > All correct except for one small detail, also make sure the baracuda is > suppling termination power on it's own. It is best to have the term > power supplied by the closests device since term power over the scsi > cable will invariable have noise on it caused by mutual induction > and capacitative coupling in the cable itself. Heh, I must be getting better then 8) I answered that one in some follow-on mail on the subject - I should have mentioned it up front. Personally though I'd have been more worried about the inductance of the relatively thin wire in the ribbon than mutual inductance, given that there are ground conductors either side of TERMPWR. Regardless, it's the best way to go. > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 25 00:07:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA29783 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 00:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (daemon@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA29776 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 00:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id RAA27386; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:06:59 +1000 Received: from pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au by ogre.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.7.5/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id RAA24572; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:13:50 +1000 (EST) Received: from netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au [167.123.24.12]) by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA17661; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:08:23 +1000 Received: from localhost by netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.8.1/DEVETIR-0.1) id HAA13981; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 07:06:28 GMT Message-Id: <199610250706.HAA13981@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Michael Smith cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Setting up an actively terminated SCSI chain. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:30:04 +0930." <199610250700.QAA18505@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> X-Face: 3}heU+2?b->-GSF-G4T4>jEB9~FR(V9lo&o>kAy=Pj&;oVOc<|pr%I/VSG"ZD32J>5gGC0N 7gj]^GI@M:LlqNd]|(2OxOxy@$6@/!,";-!OlucF^=jq8s57$%qXd/ieC8DhWmIy@J1AcnvSGV\|*! >Bvu7+0h4zCY^]{AxXKsDTlgA2m]fX$W@'8ev-Qi+-;%L'CcZ'NBL!@n?}q!M&Em3*eW7,093nOeV8 M)(u+6D;%B7j\XA/9j4!Gj~&jYzflG[#)E9sI&Xe9~y~Gn%fA7>F:YKr"Wx4cZU*6{^2ocZ!YyR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:06:28 +1000 From: Stephen Hocking Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Stephen Hocking stands accused of saying: > > > > Now, sorry to be such a PITA - do I take the terminating resistors out of the > > Barracuda? > > Not if you want it to terminate the bus 8) They're black or red, and have > '111' on them, correct? > Yup - was just having some collywobbles. Now if someone could tell me how to set the SCSI id on a Micropolis 1684-7, I'd be a happy man. -- The views expressed above are not those of the Worker's Compensation Board of Queensland, Australia. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 25 08:14:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA25813 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA25806 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA10037; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:13:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199610251513.IAA10037@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Setting up an actively terminated SCSI chain. In-Reply-To: <199610250620.PAA18255@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from Michael Smith at "Oct 25, 96 03:50:48 pm" To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, sysseh@devetir.qld.gov.au, hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Rodney W. Grimes stands accused of saying: > > > > All correct except for one small detail, also make sure the baracuda is > > suppling termination power on it's own. It is best to have the term > > power supplied by the closests device since term power over the scsi > > cable will invariable have noise on it caused by mutual induction > > and capacitative coupling in the cable itself. > > Heh, I must be getting better then 8) I answered that one in some > follow-on mail on the subject - I should have mentioned it up front. > > Personally though I'd have been more worried about the inductance of the > relatively thin wire in the ribbon than mutual inductance, given that > there are ground conductors either side of TERMPWR. Regardless, it's > the best way to go. Acually your right again, the series inductance of TERMPWR would have far more effect on the stability of an active termination regulator as the current load changes than any noise coupled via mutual inductance. Hummm... maybe we had better move this to some ``ee'' mail list, and run a few spice jobs to see just what 6 feet of 26 awg strip line ribbon cable does to the TERMPWR signal when you draw the current for an active terminator regulator at the end of it and switch the data bus rail to rail...... :-) Anyone have a good strip line model for spectra cable???? -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Oct 26 19:48:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA29403 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 19:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29394; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 19:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de (root@zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.20]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA20913 ; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 19:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.83.63.13] (apfel.zit.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.13]) by zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de (8.7.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA06424; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 03:45:40 +0100 (MET) X-Sender: petzi@mail.zit.th-darmstadt.de Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 03:45:26 +0100 To: hardware@freebsd.org, scsi@freebsd.org From: Michael Beckmann Subject: SCSI harddisk trouble: MEDIUM ERROR Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, since a couple days I'm getting messages from my harddisk like Oct 27 03:26:58 zit1 /kernel: , retries:2 Oct 27 03:26:58 zit1 /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): MEDIUM ERROR info:3b13fe asc:11,b Oct 27 03:26:58 zit1 /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): Unrecovered read error - recommend reassignment sks:80,32 Oct 27 03:26:58 zit1 /kernel: , retries:1 Oct 27 03:26:58 zit1 /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): MEDIUM ERROR info:3b13fe asc:11,b Oct 27 03:26:58 zit1 /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): Unrecovered read error - recommend reassignment sks:80,32 Oct 27 03:26:58 zit1 /kernel: , FAILURE Oct 27 03:26:58 zit1 /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): MEDIUM ERROR info:3b13fe asc:11,b Oct 27 03:26:58 zit1 /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): Unrecovered read error - recommend reassignment sks:80,32 Oct 27 03:26:58 zit1 /kernel: , retries:4 Oct 27 03:26:58 zit1 /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): MEDIUM ERROR info:3b13fe asc:11,b Oct 27 03:26:59 zit1 /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): Unrecovered read error - recommend reassignment sks:80,32 Oct 27 03:26:59 zit1 /kernel: , retries:3 Oct 27 03:26:59 zit1 /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): MEDIUM ERROR info:3b13fe asc:11,b Oct 27 03:26:59 zit1 /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): Unrecovered read error - recommend reassignment sks:80,32 Oct 27 03:26:59 zit1 /kernel: , retries:2 Oct 27 03:26:59 zit1 /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): MEDIUM ERROR info:3b13fe asc:11,b Oct 27 03:26:59 zit1 /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): Unrecovered read error - recommend reassignment sks:80,32 Oct 27 03:26:59 zit1 /kernel: , retries:1 Oct 27 03:26:59 zit1 /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): MEDIUM ERROR info:3b13fe asc:11,b Oct 27 03:26:59 zit1 /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): Unrecovered read error - recommend reassignment sks:80,32 Oct 27 03:27:00 zit1 /kernel: , FAILURE I took the disk out of the system, and checked its configuration. AWRE and ARRE were set. I thought the disk was supposed to automatically reassign bad blocks in this configuration ? This seems not to work, the grown defect list had no entry. I reassigned three blocks manually, which were reported as being unreadable by fsck. But now I'm getting these errors again. fsck gave me a decimal block number for the bad block, how can I tell which block is bad here ? Is there a way to run a disk check under FreeBSD, which finds (and reassigns) bad blocks ? Is there a good way to reassign blocks automatically, and avoid the problems that follow these medium errors ? BTW. This disk has been running over 1 year, 24h a day now. Cheers, Michael