From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 31 08:19:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA01731 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 08:19:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01726 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 08:19:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id SAA14583; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 18:00:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gun.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA13359; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 16:55:46 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 16:55:44 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andreas Klemm To: Andrew Foster cc: Peter Stubbs , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Well how do you guys cache & proxy html? In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960328203139.00c124ec@mail.fl.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 28 Mar 1996, Andrew Foster wrote: > Hi, > > >Since none of you seem to the problem I have with cern httpd not > >returning & filling your swap, I assume that you are not using it. > > > >That leaves the question in the subject. I can't imagine that an ISP > >wouldn't want to take advantage of both of these features. > > Get Harvest Cached - works very nicely on one FreeBSD machine here. The > standard distrib. of it compiled with no rememberable problems. Cached is in the ports collection and there are no problems compiling and installing it. BTW: Cached isn't a WWW server. It can cache either incoming http requests or can be configured to act as proxy cache for your own (outgoing) http requests. I use cached here as proxy cache for outgoing http requests and use my ISP's cached as neighbour cache. As WWW server I use apache. You could speed up apache by running it on a separate machine and running an own cached proxy cache, that speeds up incoming http requests to apache ... Optimum configuration machine A machine B +----------------+ +--------------------+ | cached as | | cached as | | proxy cache | | http accelerator | | cached as | | for your WWW server| +----------------+ +--------------------+ - - cached proxy - apache WWW && caching only - cached http accel. - -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ $$ Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de $$ pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMV6c8fMLpmkD/U+FAQGf4wP/XVeNrEViOJq0r7P157r+0XhYj3owoxXk BDiHfskhxXtT6JfaedgcuMwhMwXRhT6eFdwhZFxKpnodvif5QAul2DZWQMCChRei NYRcz73C+Wuck4tMkpgln/mT9XvGqLcpqH7OuPSy3pp92a+kbVVnc4+gh316Pxjc UawHfM0Yngs= =Bt0D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Apr 1 00:46:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA09421 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 00:46:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from aries.interspace.com.au (steve@aries.interspace.com.au [203.22.192.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA09416 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 00:45:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from steve@localhost) by aries.interspace.com.au (8.6.13/8.6.9) id TAA15620; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 19:44:54 +1100 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 19:44:54 +1100 (GMT+1100) From: Steve Gibson To: Linux ISP List cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, server-linux@netspace.org Subject: NFS between Linux and FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We run our web server off a FreeBSD 2.1 machine, and user accounts on a Linux 1.3.72 machine. The problem is that for some reason, I can't get Linux to NFS mount a directory from the FreeBSD Box. Is there a known incompatibility??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Interspace Australia Pty Ltd Steve Gibson - System Administrator 8 Boyd Street, West Melbourne, Australia 3003 Ph +61 3 9329 9066 Fax +61 3 9329 1388 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Apr 1 05:50:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA26049 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 05:50:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from everest.pinn.net (everest.pinn.net [198.252.201.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA26022 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 05:49:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (emerson@localhost) by everest.pinn.net (8.6.12/8.6.4) id IAA10472; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 08:49:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 08:49:04 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Molnar To: Steve Gibson cc: Linux ISP List , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, server-linux@netspace.org Subject: Re: NFS between Linux and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > We run our web server off a FreeBSD 2.1 machine, and user accounts on a > Linux 1.3.72 machine. The problem is that for some reason, I can't get > Linux to NFS mount a directory from the FreeBSD Box. Is there a known > incompatibility??? The NFS will work after you do some stuff to the FreeBSD box. Look in the /usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.ascii and there is a section on NFS. Within that it will telll you what to do to make NFS work. It is some little sort of size change that needs to be done. Very simple to change. Stefan Molnar ---------8<------------------ emerson@pinn.net Very Silly Lynx Enhanced Page http://www.pinn.net/~emerson Stefan Molnar Team OS/2 Member EFF Always Eccentric --------->8------------------ From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Apr 1 12:57:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA28011 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:57:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from itchy.mosquito.com (root@itchy.mosquito.com [206.205.132.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA28005 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:57:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from boot@localhost) by itchy.mosquito.com (8.6.11/8.6.12) id PAA10027 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:57:15 -0500 From: Bruce Bauman Message-Id: <199604012057.PAA10027@itchy.mosquito.com> Subject: named and IP aliases To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:57:14 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We are a small ISP running vanilla 2.1-stable. We run virtual web servers for several of our customers via Apache and IP aliases. Now for the question: I saw a recent post saying that named had a bug where it would listen on all of the "aliased" interfaces, which are really all the same host. Is this bug present in -stable, and if so should we update to the newest named? Thanks in advance. -- Bruce From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Apr 1 14:15:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA06849 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:15:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from kirk.edmweb.com (kirk.edmweb.com [204.244.190.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06843 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:15:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from steve@localhost) by kirk.edmweb.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA06431; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:14:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:14:55 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Reid To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Anyone willing to provide remote news access? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is anyone out there willing to provide remote Usenet access to a handful of people at our site? We are NOT an ISP.. We are exclusively a web site, and only want news access for our staff. We can't justify running our own news server just to service half a dozen people. If anyone is willing to provide news access to us for free or on a per-person basis, Please let me know. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Apr 1 15:10:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA10657 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:10:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10649 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:10:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id RAA25216; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 17:09:36 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199604012309.RAA25216@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: named and IP aliases To: boot@mosquito.com (Bruce Bauman) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 17:09:36 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199604012057.PAA10027@itchy.mosquito.com> from "Bruce Bauman" at Apr 1, 96 03:57:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > We are a small ISP running vanilla 2.1-stable. We run virtual web servers for > several of our customers via Apache and IP aliases. Now for the question: > > I saw a recent post saying that named had a bug where it would listen on > all of the "aliased" interfaces, which are really all the same host. THAT's not a bug, it's behaviour you would tend to expect. > Is this > bug present in -stable, and if so should we update to the newest named? The bug I think you're referring to is the one where you have a case like ifconfig ed0 206.55.64.117; ifconfig ed0 alias 206.55.64.69 In this case I run 64.69 as a "nailed down" DNS address. The bug I ran into is that a UDP datagram sent to the alias interface will get received twice by named, once on the alias interface, once on the "primary" interface. The ensuing race condition to answer the request is, by itself, harmless, but other BIND servers will "freak out" if and when they receive a reply to a message that had been sent to "the other" interface. In other words, you send data to 206.55.64.69, named gets request on BOTH the sockets attached to .117 and .69, replies first to the one on ".117", and that reply gets to the remote named. The remote named has trouble with this, but eventually everything works. Oddly enough, this prompted me to go look at smyrno.sol.net, which you have an account on. I never installed the patch! :-) Thanks for reminding me. Some kind soul dug through the IP networking code and devised a patch. I don't have the patch off the top of my head, or a name to credit this patch to, but a diff -c on files yields: anacreon% diff -c in.c{.fcs,} *** in.c.fcs Sat Jul 22 22:38:11 1995 --- in.c Thu Jan 25 10:29:38 1996 *************** *** 609,615 **** /* * Check for old-style (host 0) broadcast. */ ! t == ia->ia_subnet || t == ia->ia_net)) return 1; return (0); #undef ia --- 609,621 ---- /* * Check for old-style (host 0) broadcast. */ ! t == ia->ia_subnet || t == ia->ia_net) && ! /* ! * Check for an all one subnetmask. These ! * only exist when an interface gets a secondary ! * address. ! */ ! ia->ia_subnetmask != (u_long)0xffffffff) return 1; return (0); #undef ia anacreon% Somebody might want to see that this hasn't broken in -current. If memory serves, the "host 0" broadcast address was broken^H^H^H^H^H^Hremoved. > Thanks in advance. > > -- Bruce In the meantime I'm gonna rebuild Smyrno's kernel... ;-) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Apr 1 15:47:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA13060 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:47:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from tombstone.sunrem.com (tombstone.sunrem.com [199.104.90.54]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13055 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:47:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brandon@localhost) by tombstone.sunrem.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA12081; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:46:24 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:46:24 -0700 (MST) From: Brandon Gillespie To: Steve Reid cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone willing to provide remote news access? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Steve Reid wrote: > Is anyone out there willing to provide remote Usenet access to a handful of > people at our site? > > We are NOT an ISP.. We are exclusively a web site, and only want news > access for our staff. We can't justify running our own news server just > to service half a dozen people. > > If anyone is willing to provide news access to us for free or on a > per-person basis, Please let me know. I've been considering setting up a newserver here, and allowing restricted NNTP connections from specific hosts, for a minimal cost (the numbers bouncing around in my head are $9.95/month per connection). The company I work for is established, so it would be on the professional level. I am not familiar with common charges in this respect. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Apr 1 21:13:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA07020 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 21:13:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07015 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 21:13:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id VAA29064; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 21:24:03 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 22:11:27 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: iap@vma.cc.nd.edu cc: linuxisp@lightning.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: End-to-end philosophy endangered [forwarded] (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 20:15:00 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Willens To: portmaster-users@livingston.com Subject: Re: End-to-end philosophy endangered [forwarded] (fwd) In response to the recently posted statements by David Reed about the endangerment of the Internet I would ask all of you to make an informed decision about what this is really all about. David's statements are in response to an over-zealous writer who focused on a sensationalist subject and tied it to some fictitious position by Senator Exon. Please view the Livingston Web site (http://www.livingston.com/) and look at "What's New" where we have posted information about our new ChoiceNet product features. We have posted product details, our philosophy about ChoiceNet and and set of questions and answers about the new technology. At its best, ChoiceNet is a way to provide chargeable value added services to customers. If not chargeable it offers a way to increase access to customers who are already selecting services from other vendors which attempt to solve the problems ChoiceNet delivers. At its worst, ChoiceNet is just something you don't offer or even spend any time looking at. As always your input is welcome. Steve Willens Livingston Enterprises, Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Apr 1 23:30:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA16737 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 23:30:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyberport.com (root@puma.cyberport.com [204.134.75.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA16732 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 23:30:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from hippo.cyberport.com (kevin@hippo.cyberport.com [204.134.75.2]) by cyberport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA09770; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:30:26 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:30:26 -0700 (MST) From: Kevin Rosenberg To: Steve Reid cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone willing to provide remote news access? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > If anyone is willing to provide news access to us for free or on a > per-person basis, Please let me know. We can provide news for $10 per IP address per month, minimum $25 per month. We have 20K+ news groups on a dedicated BSD/OS news server with 12GB of news online. We have 4 incoming feeds and are on a T1 line. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Rosenberg | The Four Corner's Finest Internet Access System Administrator | kevin@cyberport.com CyberPort Station | http://www.cyberport.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 2 12:36:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA24363 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:36:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from selkirk.csrv.nidc.edu (selkirk.csrv.nidc.edu [192.133.128.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA24285 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:35:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by selkirk.csrv.nidc.edu (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA03286; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:48:25 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:48:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Mark E. Nottage" To: Steve Gibson Cc: Linux ISP List , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, server-linux@netspace.org Subject: Re: NFS between Linux and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Steve Gibson wrote: > > We run our web server off a FreeBSD 2.1 machine, and user accounts on a > Linux 1.3.72 machine. The problem is that for some reason, I can't get > Linux to NFS mount a directory from the FreeBSD Box. Is there a known > incompatibility??? > I have had this same problem with Linux 1.2.8. I can't get the linux box to mount anything from the FreeBSD box, or vice versa... +________________________________________________________________________+ | Mark E. Nottage | "I haven't joined the enemy. I've | | Equipment/Network Technician | just gotten close enough to make | | North Idaho College | sure I don't miss." | | email: markn@nidc.edu | -- The Punisher | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 2 19:21:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA02404 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 19:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from everest.pinn.net (everest.pinn.net [198.252.201.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA02393 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 19:21:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (emerson@localhost) by everest.pinn.net (8.6.12/8.6.4) id WAA15585; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:20:33 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:20:30 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Molnar To: "Mark E. Nottage" cc: Steve Gibson , Linux ISP List , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, server-linux@netspace.org Subject: Re: NFS between Linux and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > We run our web server off a FreeBSD 2.1 machine, and user accounts on a > > Linux 1.3.72 machine. The problem is that for some reason, I can't get > > Linux to NFS mount a directory from the FreeBSD Box. Is there a known > > incompatibility??? > > > > I have had this same problem with Linux 1.2.8. I can't get the linux box > to mount anything from the FreeBSD box, or vice versa... OKay, I took this from the FreeBSD FAQ and this should help all: 10.7. Why can't I NFS-mount from a Linux box? Some versions of the Linux NFS code only accept mount requests from a priviledged port; try mount -o -P linuxbox:/blah /mnt I remember seaning something else about it, and the packet size, but I am dammed if I can remember. Stefan Molnar ---------8<------------------ emerson@pinn.net Very Silly Lynx Enhanced Page http://www.pinn.net/~emerson Stefan Molnar FreeBSD Team OS/2 Member EFF Always Eccentric --------->8------------------ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 3 23:41:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA05832 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 23:41:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from complex.complex.com.pl ([157.25.18.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA05827 Wed, 3 Apr 1996 23:41:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1 (serwis.complex.com.pl [157.25.18.45]) by complex.complex.com.pl (8.6.8.1/SCA-6.6) with SMTP id HAA11364; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 07:41:03 GMT Message-ID: Priority: Normal To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrzej Szydlo Subject: Setting up user PPP Date: Thu, 04 Apr 96 09:41:02 +0100 (MET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have some problems setting up user ppp server on my system. I hope I'm not asking for too much, but could just someone send me examples of configuration files? Thanks in advance. Andrzej From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 02:07:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA18012 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 02:07:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from kirk.edmweb.com (kirk.edmweb.com [204.244.190.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA17982 Thu, 4 Apr 1996 02:07:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from steve@localhost) by kirk.edmweb.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA02096; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 02:05:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 02:05:15 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Reid To: Andrzej Szydlo cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Setting up user PPP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have some problems setting up user ppp server on my system. > I hope I'm not asking for too much, but could just someone > send me examples of configuration files? It's not too complicated... Just make sure that everything in the /etc/ppp/ppp.conf file has a space before it, except the labels. If your options don't have whitespace on the left, they will be ignored. :( The essentials are explained in the Handbook, and in even more detail at http://www.ssimicro.com/~jeremyc/ppp.html In the ppp.conf file, you will NEED enable proxy among other things. In your kernel config, you will need to have OPTIONS GATEWAY # I think that's the option... To forward IP packets. You DO NOT need the ARP_PROXYALL kernel option. You will also need at least one "tun" device per modem... Don't forget to MAKEDEV them. Before you rush off to compile that kernel, you should replace your /usr/src/sys/netinet/in_rmx.c file that comes with 2.1-RELEASE (I assume you're using 2.1-Release) with the newer one from -stable, which is at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable/usr/sys/netinet/in_rmx.c Just replace your existing in_rmx.c file with the new one, and you'll avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. I hope that helps. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 06:06:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA29256 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 06:06:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA29251 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 06:05:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from t0.dialup.peg.apc.org (t0.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.128]) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.12 ) with SMTP id AAA29231; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 00:07:08 +1000 Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 00:07:08 +1000 Message-Id: <199604041407.AAA29231@peg.apc.org> X-Sender: lmazzon@acslink.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: lmazzon@acslink.net.au (Livio Mazzon) Subject: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... Cc: steve@edmweb.com Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm using 2.0.5 and intend to setup a PPP server. But I note, Steve Reid wrote: >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. > What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? What is the bug? Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the problem not an issue? TIA Livio /--------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Livio Mazzon lmazzon@acslink.net.au | | Mazzon Systems Engineering Pty Ltd | | PO Box 460 Phone : 015 266 489 | | YENDA NSW 2681 AUSTRALIA Fax : 069 681 557 | \--------------------------------------------------------------------/ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 09:16:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA11518 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 09:16:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA11511 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 09:16:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA16797; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:15:22 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:15:22 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199604041715.KAA16797@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: lmazzon@acslink.net.au (Livio Mazzon) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, steve@edmweb.com Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... In-Reply-To: <199604041407.AAA29231@peg.apc.org> References: <199604041407.AAA29231@peg.apc.org> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. > > > > What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? People unable to quickly re-use phones lines which terminate in-correctly. Quickly can mean anything from 15 minutes to hours, so the line is useless until the 'arp' entry times out from lack of use. This is unacceptable in *any* configuration. > What is the bug? It's an artifact of combining the ARP code and the routing code in 4.4Lite. > Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the > problem not an issue? It is a *very good* idea for your site to upgrade to -stable. 2.1R does not have the bug fixed. There have been other problems related to PPP fixed in -stable you'll want as well. Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 10:25:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA17287 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:25:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from www (quicklink.com [204.32.218.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA17278 Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:25:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ts4.port-13.quicklink.com by www (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23448; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:13:15 -0500 Message-Id: <9604041813.AA23448@www> X-Sender: jody@quicklink.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 13:16:39 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Joel Kelmenson Subject: Recommendation Needed for server setup Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It would be great to hear some recommendations on good setup for a web and news server. I have one system that I would like to use. It is a P90 PCI, 8mb, 720mb ide drive. I know that I will have to do a lot to this system. More RAM, SCSI harddrive, SCSI adapter, ethernet adapter, etc.. It would be very helpful if I could get some advice from those of you who have some experience setting up quality servers. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Things to suggest: 1. Best CPU 2. How much RAM (minimum, optimum, overkill). 3. Best adapters to use. 4. Hard drives (type, brand, size, etc..). 5. Software (web server, news server, tools, etc..). 6. Where to get the best prices. etc... When I ask for the "best" I don't mean most expensive. What I mean is what works well without going overboard. What would be helpful too, is if anyone knows where to get good deals on any of the suggested hardware. We could all benefit (if we share price info). I hate to buy something and find out that I should have bought.... Or "you paid how much!... you should have gotten it..." Thank you in advance. Joel. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 10:36:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18517 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:36:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (pc40-203.dev.oclc.org [132.174.40.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18504 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:36:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ilko@localhost) by pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA03967; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:34:57 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:34:57 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199604041715.KAA16797@rocky.sri.MT.net> Reply-To: ilko@oclc.org Organization: Online Computer Library Center From: "Jon T. Ilko" To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... Cc: , , Livio Mazzon Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On %d Nate Williams wrote: >>> >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. >> > >> >> What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? > >People unable to quickly re-use phones lines which terminate >in-correctly. Quickly can mean anything from 15 minutes to hours, so >the line is useless until the 'arp' entry times out from lack of use. >This is unacceptable in *any* configuration. > >> What is the bug? > >It's an artifact of combining the ARP code and the routing code in >4.4Lite. > >> Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the >> problem not an issue? > >It is a *very good* idea for your site to upgrade to -stable. 2.1R does >not have the bug fixed. There have been other problems related to PPP >fixed in -stable you'll want as well. > > > >Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 10:36:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18531 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:36:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (pc40-203.dev.oclc.org [132.174.40.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18503 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:36:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ilko@localhost) by pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA03952; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:34:52 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:34:52 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199604041715.KAA16797@rocky.sri.MT.net> Reply-To: ilko@oclc.org Organization: Online Computer Library Center From: "Jon T. Ilko" To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... Cc: , , Livio Mazzon Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On %d Nate Williams wrote: >>> >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. >> > >> >> What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? > >People unable to quickly re-use phones lines which terminate >in-correctly. Quickly can mean anything from 15 minutes to hours, so >the line is useless until the 'arp' entry times out from lack of use. >This is unacceptable in *any* configuration. > >> What is the bug? > >It's an artifact of combining the ARP code and the routing code in >4.4Lite. > >> Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the >> problem not an issue? > >It is a *very good* idea for your site to upgrade to -stable. 2.1R does >not have the bug fixed. There have been other problems related to PPP >fixed in -stable you'll want as well. > > > >Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 10:36:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18547 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:36:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (pc40-203.dev.oclc.org [132.174.40.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18506 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:36:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ilko@localhost) by pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA03958; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:34:54 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:34:54 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199604041715.KAA16797@rocky.sri.MT.net> Reply-To: ilko@oclc.org Organization: Online Computer Library Center From: "Jon T. Ilko" To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... Cc: , , Livio Mazzon Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On %d Nate Williams wrote: >>> >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. >> > >> >> What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? > >People unable to quickly re-use phones lines which terminate >in-correctly. Quickly can mean anything from 15 minutes to hours, so >the line is useless until the 'arp' entry times out from lack of use. >This is unacceptable in *any* configuration. > >> What is the bug? > >It's an artifact of combining the ARP code and the routing code in >4.4Lite. > >> Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the >> problem not an issue? > >It is a *very good* idea for your site to upgrade to -stable. 2.1R does >not have the bug fixed. There have been other problems related to PPP >fixed in -stable you'll want as well. > > > >Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 10:36:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18553 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:36:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (pc40-203.dev.oclc.org [132.174.40.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18507 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:36:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ilko@localhost) by pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA03949; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:34:51 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:34:51 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199604041715.KAA16797@rocky.sri.MT.net> Reply-To: ilko@oclc.org Organization: Online Computer Library Center From: "Jon T. Ilko" To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... Cc: , , Livio Mazzon Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On %d Nate Williams wrote: >>> >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. >> > >> >> What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? > >People unable to quickly re-use phones lines which terminate >in-correctly. Quickly can mean anything from 15 minutes to hours, so >the line is useless until the 'arp' entry times out from lack of use. >This is unacceptable in *any* configuration. > >> What is the bug? > >It's an artifact of combining the ARP code and the routing code in >4.4Lite. > >> Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the >> problem not an issue? > >It is a *very good* idea for your site to upgrade to -stable. 2.1R does >not have the bug fixed. There have been other problems related to PPP >fixed in -stable you'll want as well. > > > >Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 10:36:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18559 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:36:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (pc40-203.dev.oclc.org [132.174.40.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18505 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:36:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ilko@localhost) by pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA03946; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:34:50 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:34:50 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199604041715.KAA16797@rocky.sri.MT.net> Reply-To: ilko@oclc.org Organization: Online Computer Library Center From: "Jon T. Ilko" To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... Cc: , , Livio Mazzon Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On %d Nate Williams wrote: >>> >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. >> > >> >> What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? > >People unable to quickly re-use phones lines which terminate >in-correctly. Quickly can mean anything from 15 minutes to hours, so >the line is useless until the 'arp' entry times out from lack of use. >This is unacceptable in *any* configuration. > >> What is the bug? > >It's an artifact of combining the ARP code and the routing code in >4.4Lite. > >> Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the >> problem not an issue? > >It is a *very good* idea for your site to upgrade to -stable. 2.1R does >not have the bug fixed. There have been other problems related to PPP >fixed in -stable you'll want as well. > > > >Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 10:37:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18657 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:37:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (pc40-203.dev.oclc.org [132.174.40.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18546 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:36:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ilko@localhost) by pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA03964; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:34:56 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:34:56 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199604041715.KAA16797@rocky.sri.MT.net> Reply-To: ilko@oclc.org Organization: Online Computer Library Center From: "Jon T. Ilko" To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... Cc: , , Livio Mazzon Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On %d Nate Williams wrote: >>> >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. >> > >> >> What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? > >People unable to quickly re-use phones lines which terminate >in-correctly. Quickly can mean anything from 15 minutes to hours, so >the line is useless until the 'arp' entry times out from lack of use. >This is unacceptable in *any* configuration. > >> What is the bug? > >It's an artifact of combining the ARP code and the routing code in >4.4Lite. > >> Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the >> problem not an issue? > >It is a *very good* idea for your site to upgrade to -stable. 2.1R does >not have the bug fixed. There have been other problems related to PPP >fixed in -stable you'll want as well. > > > >Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 10:37:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18664 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:37:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (pc40-203.dev.oclc.org [132.174.40.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18552 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:36:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ilko@localhost) by pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA03994; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:07 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:07 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199604041715.KAA16797@rocky.sri.MT.net> Reply-To: ilko@oclc.org Organization: Online Computer Library Center From: "Jon T. Ilko" To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... Cc: , , Livio Mazzon Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On %d Nate Williams wrote: >>> >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. >> > >> >> What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? > >People unable to quickly re-use phones lines which terminate >in-correctly. Quickly can mean anything from 15 minutes to hours, so >the line is useless until the 'arp' entry times out from lack of use. >This is unacceptable in *any* configuration. > >> What is the bug? > >It's an artifact of combining the ARP code and the routing code in >4.4Lite. > >> Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the >> problem not an issue? > >It is a *very good* idea for your site to upgrade to -stable. 2.1R does >not have the bug fixed. There have been other problems related to PPP >fixed in -stable you'll want as well. > > > >Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 10:37:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18667 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:37:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (pc40-203.dev.oclc.org [132.174.40.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18551 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:36:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ilko@localhost) by pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA03988; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:04 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:04 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199604041715.KAA16797@rocky.sri.MT.net> Reply-To: ilko@oclc.org Organization: Online Computer Library Center From: "Jon T. Ilko" To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... Cc: , , Livio Mazzon Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On %d Nate Williams wrote: >>> >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. >> > >> >> What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? > >People unable to quickly re-use phones lines which terminate >in-correctly. Quickly can mean anything from 15 minutes to hours, so >the line is useless until the 'arp' entry times out from lack of use. >This is unacceptable in *any* configuration. > >> What is the bug? > >It's an artifact of combining the ARP code and the routing code in >4.4Lite. > >> Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the >> problem not an issue? > >It is a *very good* idea for your site to upgrade to -stable. 2.1R does >not have the bug fixed. There have been other problems related to PPP >fixed in -stable you'll want as well. > > > >Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 10:37:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18675 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:37:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (pc40-203.dev.oclc.org [132.174.40.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18555 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ilko@localhost) by pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA04003; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:10 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:10 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199604041715.KAA16797@rocky.sri.MT.net> Reply-To: ilko@oclc.org Organization: Online Computer Library Center From: "Jon T. Ilko" To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... Cc: , , Livio Mazzon Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On %d Nate Williams wrote: >>> >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. >> > >> >> What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? > >People unable to quickly re-use phones lines which terminate >in-correctly. Quickly can mean anything from 15 minutes to hours, so >the line is useless until the 'arp' entry times out from lack of use. >This is unacceptable in *any* configuration. > >> What is the bug? > >It's an artifact of combining the ARP code and the routing code in >4.4Lite. > >> Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the >> problem not an issue? > >It is a *very good* idea for your site to upgrade to -stable. 2.1R does >not have the bug fixed. There have been other problems related to PPP >fixed in -stable you'll want as well. > > > >Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 10:37:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18682 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:37:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (pc40-203.dev.oclc.org [132.174.40.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18571 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:36:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ilko@localhost) by pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA03973; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:00 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:00 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199604041715.KAA16797@rocky.sri.MT.net> Reply-To: ilko@oclc.org Organization: Online Computer Library Center From: "Jon T. Ilko" To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... Cc: , , Livio Mazzon Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On %d Nate Williams wrote: >>> >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. >> > >> >> What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? > >People unable to quickly re-use phones lines which terminate >in-correctly. Quickly can mean anything from 15 minutes to hours, so >the line is useless until the 'arp' entry times out from lack of use. >This is unacceptable in *any* configuration. > >> What is the bug? > >It's an artifact of combining the ARP code and the routing code in >4.4Lite. > >> Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the >> problem not an issue? > >It is a *very good* idea for your site to upgrade to -stable. 2.1R does >not have the bug fixed. There have been other problems related to PPP >fixed in -stable you'll want as well. > > > >Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 10:37:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18703 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (pc40-203.dev.oclc.org [132.174.40.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18550 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:36:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ilko@localhost) by pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA03982; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:02 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:02 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199604041715.KAA16797@rocky.sri.MT.net> Reply-To: ilko@oclc.org Organization: Online Computer Library Center From: "Jon T. Ilko" To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... Cc: , , Livio Mazzon Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On %d Nate Williams wrote: >>> >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. >> > >> >> What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? > >People unable to quickly re-use phones lines which terminate >in-correctly. Quickly can mean anything from 15 minutes to hours, so >the line is useless until the 'arp' entry times out from lack of use. >This is unacceptable in *any* configuration. > >> What is the bug? > >It's an artifact of combining the ARP code and the routing code in >4.4Lite. > >> Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the >> problem not an issue? > >It is a *very good* idea for your site to upgrade to -stable. 2.1R does >not have the bug fixed. There have been other problems related to PPP >fixed in -stable you'll want as well. > > > >Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 10:37:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18702 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:37:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (pc40-203.dev.oclc.org [132.174.40.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18572 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:36:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ilko@localhost) by pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA04000; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:09 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:09 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199604041715.KAA16797@rocky.sri.MT.net> Reply-To: ilko@oclc.org Organization: Online Computer Library Center From: "Jon T. Ilko" To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... Cc: , , Livio Mazzon Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On %d Nate Williams wrote: >>> >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. >> > >> >> What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? > >People unable to quickly re-use phones lines which terminate >in-correctly. Quickly can mean anything from 15 minutes to hours, so >the line is useless until the 'arp' entry times out from lack of use. >This is unacceptable in *any* configuration. > >> What is the bug? > >It's an artifact of combining the ARP code and the routing code in >4.4Lite. > >> Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the >> problem not an issue? > >It is a *very good* idea for your site to upgrade to -stable. 2.1R does >not have the bug fixed. There have been other problems related to PPP >fixed in -stable you'll want as well. > > > >Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 10:37:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18709 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:37:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (pc40-203.dev.oclc.org [132.174.40.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18558 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:36:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ilko@localhost) by pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA04006; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:12 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:12 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199604041715.KAA16797@rocky.sri.MT.net> Reply-To: ilko@oclc.org Organization: Online Computer Library Center From: "Jon T. Ilko" To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... Cc: , , Livio Mazzon Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On %d Nate Williams wrote: >>> >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. >> > >> >> What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? > >People unable to quickly re-use phones lines which terminate >in-correctly. Quickly can mean anything from 15 minutes to hours, so >the line is useless until the 'arp' entry times out from lack of use. >This is unacceptable in *any* configuration. > >> What is the bug? > >It's an artifact of combining the ARP code and the routing code in >4.4Lite. > >> Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the >> problem not an issue? > >It is a *very good* idea for your site to upgrade to -stable. 2.1R does >not have the bug fixed. There have been other problems related to PPP >fixed in -stable you'll want as well. > > > >Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 10:37:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18731 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:37:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (pc40-203.dev.oclc.org [132.174.40.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18549 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:36:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ilko@localhost) by pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA03985; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:03 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:03 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199604041715.KAA16797@rocky.sri.MT.net> Reply-To: ilko@oclc.org Organization: Online Computer Library Center From: "Jon T. Ilko" To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... Cc: , , Livio Mazzon Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On %d Nate Williams wrote: >>> >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. >> > >> >> What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? > >People unable to quickly re-use phones lines which terminate >in-correctly. Quickly can mean anything from 15 minutes to hours, so >the line is useless until the 'arp' entry times out from lack of use. >This is unacceptable in *any* configuration. > >> What is the bug? > >It's an artifact of combining the ARP code and the routing code in >4.4Lite. > >> Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the >> problem not an issue? > >It is a *very good* idea for your site to upgrade to -stable. 2.1R does >not have the bug fixed. There have been other problems related to PPP >fixed in -stable you'll want as well. > > > >Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 10:37:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18728 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:37:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (pc40-203.dev.oclc.org [132.174.40.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18619 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:36:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ilko@localhost) by pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA03997; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:08 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:08 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199604041715.KAA16797@rocky.sri.MT.net> Reply-To: ilko@oclc.org Organization: Online Computer Library Center From: "Jon T. Ilko" To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... Cc: , , Livio Mazzon Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On %d Nate Williams wrote: >>> >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. >> > >> >> What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? > >People unable to quickly re-use phones lines which terminate >in-correctly. Quickly can mean anything from 15 minutes to hours, so >the line is useless until the 'arp' entry times out from lack of use. >This is unacceptable in *any* configuration. > >> What is the bug? > >It's an artifact of combining the ARP code and the routing code in >4.4Lite. > >> Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the >> problem not an issue? > >It is a *very good* idea for your site to upgrade to -stable. 2.1R does >not have the bug fixed. There have been other problems related to PPP >fixed in -stable you'll want as well. > > > >Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 10:37:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18736 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:37:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (pc40-203.dev.oclc.org [132.174.40.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18548 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:36:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ilko@localhost) by pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA03955; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:34:53 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:34:53 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199604041715.KAA16797@rocky.sri.MT.net> Reply-To: ilko@oclc.org Organization: Online Computer Library Center From: "Jon T. Ilko" To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... Cc: , , Livio Mazzon Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On %d Nate Williams wrote: >>> >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. >> > >> >> What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? > >People unable to quickly re-use phones lines which terminate >in-correctly. Quickly can mean anything from 15 minutes to hours, so >the line is useless until the 'arp' entry times out from lack of use. >This is unacceptable in *any* configuration. > >> What is the bug? > >It's an artifact of combining the ARP code and the routing code in >4.4Lite. > >> Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the >> problem not an issue? > >It is a *very good* idea for your site to upgrade to -stable. 2.1R does >not have the bug fixed. There have been other problems related to PPP >fixed in -stable you'll want as well. > > > >Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 10:37:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18738 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:37:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (pc40-203.dev.oclc.org [132.174.40.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18622 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:36:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ilko@localhost) by pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA04009; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:14 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:14 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199604041715.KAA16797@rocky.sri.MT.net> Reply-To: ilko@oclc.org Organization: Online Computer Library Center From: "Jon T. Ilko" To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... Cc: , , Livio Mazzon Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On %d Nate Williams wrote: >>> >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. >> > >> >> What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? > >People unable to quickly re-use phones lines which terminate >in-correctly. Quickly can mean anything from 15 minutes to hours, so >the line is useless until the 'arp' entry times out from lack of use. >This is unacceptable in *any* configuration. > >> What is the bug? > >It's an artifact of combining the ARP code and the routing code in >4.4Lite. > >> Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the >> problem not an issue? > >It is a *very good* idea for your site to upgrade to -stable. 2.1R does >not have the bug fixed. There have been other problems related to PPP >fixed in -stable you'll want as well. > > > >Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 10:37:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18748 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:37:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (pc40-203.dev.oclc.org [132.174.40.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18573 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:36:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ilko@localhost) by pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA03991; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:05 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:05 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199604041715.KAA16797@rocky.sri.MT.net> Reply-To: ilko@oclc.org Organization: Online Computer Library Center From: "Jon T. Ilko" To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... Cc: , , Livio Mazzon Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On %d Nate Williams wrote: >>> >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. >> > >> >> What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? > >People unable to quickly re-use phones lines which terminate >in-correctly. Quickly can mean anything from 15 minutes to hours, so >the line is useless until the 'arp' entry times out from lack of use. >This is unacceptable in *any* configuration. > >> What is the bug? > >It's an artifact of combining the ARP code and the routing code in >4.4Lite. > >> Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the >> problem not an issue? > >It is a *very good* idea for your site to upgrade to -stable. 2.1R does >not have the bug fixed. There have been other problems related to PPP >fixed in -stable you'll want as well. > > > >Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 10:40:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA19257 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:40:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (pc40-203.dev.oclc.org [132.174.40.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19183 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:39:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ilko@localhost) by pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA04012; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:16 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:16 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199604041715.KAA16797@rocky.sri.MT.net> Reply-To: ilko@oclc.org Organization: Online Computer Library Center From: "Jon T. Ilko" To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... Cc: , , Livio Mazzon Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On %d Nate Williams wrote: >>> >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. >> > >> >> What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? > >People unable to quickly re-use phones lines which terminate >in-correctly. Quickly can mean anything from 15 minutes to hours, so >the line is useless until the 'arp' entry times out from lack of use. >This is unacceptable in *any* configuration. > >> What is the bug? > >It's an artifact of combining the ARP code and the routing code in >4.4Lite. > >> Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the >> problem not an issue? > >It is a *very good* idea for your site to upgrade to -stable. 2.1R does >not have the bug fixed. There have been other problems related to PPP >fixed in -stable you'll want as well. > > > >Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 10:43:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA19358 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:43:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (pc40-203.dev.oclc.org [132.174.40.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19353 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:43:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ilko@localhost) by pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA03961; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:34:55 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:34:55 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199604041715.KAA16797@rocky.sri.MT.net> Reply-To: ilko@oclc.org Organization: Online Computer Library Center From: "Jon T. Ilko" To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... Cc: , , Livio Mazzon Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On %d Nate Williams wrote: >>> >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. >> > >> >> What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? > >People unable to quickly re-use phones lines which terminate >in-correctly. Quickly can mean anything from 15 minutes to hours, so >the line is useless until the 'arp' entry times out from lack of use. >This is unacceptable in *any* configuration. > >> What is the bug? > >It's an artifact of combining the ARP code and the routing code in >4.4Lite. > >> Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the >> problem not an issue? > >It is a *very good* idea for your site to upgrade to -stable. 2.1R does >not have the bug fixed. There have been other problems related to PPP >fixed in -stable you'll want as well. > > > >Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 10:45:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA19461 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:45:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (pc40-203.dev.oclc.org [132.174.40.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19456 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:45:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ilko@localhost) by pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA03967; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:34:57 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:34:57 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199604041715.KAA16797@rocky.sri.MT.net> Reply-To: ilko@oclc.org Organization: Online Computer Library Center From: "Jon T. Ilko" To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... Cc: , , Livio Mazzon Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On %d Nate Williams wrote: >>> >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. >> > >> >> What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? > >People unable to quickly re-use phones lines which terminate >in-correctly. Quickly can mean anything from 15 minutes to hours, so >the line is useless until the 'arp' entry times out from lack of use. >This is unacceptable in *any* configuration. > >> What is the bug? > >It's an artifact of combining the ARP code and the routing code in >4.4Lite. > >> Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the >> problem not an issue? > >It is a *very good* idea for your site to upgrade to -stable. 2.1R does >not have the bug fixed. There have been other problems related to PPP >fixed in -stable you'll want as well. > > > >Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 10:47:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA19527 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:47:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (pc40-203.dev.oclc.org [132.174.40.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19514 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ilko@localhost) by pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA03970; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:34:59 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:34:59 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199604041715.KAA16797@rocky.sri.MT.net> Reply-To: ilko@oclc.org Organization: Online Computer Library Center From: "Jon T. Ilko" To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... Cc: , , Livio Mazzon Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On %d Nate Williams wrote: >>> >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. >> > >> >> What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? > >People unable to quickly re-use phones lines which terminate >in-correctly. Quickly can mean anything from 15 minutes to hours, so >the line is useless until the 'arp' entry times out from lack of use. >This is unacceptable in *any* configuration. > >> What is the bug? > >It's an artifact of combining the ARP code and the routing code in >4.4Lite. > >> Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the >> problem not an issue? > >It is a *very good* idea for your site to upgrade to -stable. 2.1R does >not have the bug fixed. There have been other problems related to PPP >fixed in -stable you'll want as well. > > > >Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 10:49:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA19678 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:49:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (pc40-203.dev.oclc.org [132.174.40.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19673 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:49:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ilko@localhost) by pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA03979; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:01 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:01 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199604041715.KAA16797@rocky.sri.MT.net> Reply-To: ilko@oclc.org Organization: Online Computer Library Center From: "Jon T. Ilko" To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... Cc: , , Livio Mazzon Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On %d Nate Williams wrote: >>> >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. >> > >> >> What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? > >People unable to quickly re-use phones lines which terminate >in-correctly. Quickly can mean anything from 15 minutes to hours, so >the line is useless until the 'arp' entry times out from lack of use. >This is unacceptable in *any* configuration. > >> What is the bug? > >It's an artifact of combining the ARP code and the routing code in >4.4Lite. > >> Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the >> problem not an issue? > >It is a *very good* idea for your site to upgrade to -stable. 2.1R does >not have the bug fixed. There have been other problems related to PPP >fixed in -stable you'll want as well. > > > >Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 11:13:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA21272 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 11:13:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21267 Thu, 4 Apr 1996 11:13:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id NAA01813; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:12:24 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199604041912.NAA01813@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Recommendation Needed for server setup To: joel@quicklink.com (Joel Kelmenson) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:12:23 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9604041813.AA23448@www> from "Joel Kelmenson" at Apr 4, 96 01:16:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > It would be great to hear some recommendations on good setup > for a web and news server. I have one system that I would like > to use. It is a P90 PCI, 8mb, 720mb ide drive. > > I know that I will have to do a lot to this system. > More RAM, SCSI harddrive, SCSI adapter, ethernet adapter, etc.. > > It would be very helpful if I could get some advice from those of > you who have some experience setting up quality servers. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. Well, I'm running a news server on a P90. There is a very low number of nnrpd clients, it's mostly a transport machine. It accepts a full feed from multiple feeds, and feeds those same folks with full feeds. There's probably a dozen nntplink's and three or four innxmit's running at any given time. The thing you're going to have to figure out is how heavily you're going to be hit as a Web server, and how many nnrpd clients you expect to support. > Things to suggest: > 1. Best CPU A P90 may be adequate. news.sol.net runs 75% idle. More important, get a decent motherboard. > 2. How much RAM (minimum, optimum, overkill). News RAM formula: Memory: 16MB + sizeof(history.pag) * 2 + numclients * 1MB + numfeeds * 1MB For news.sol.net, this translates into 16MB + 16.7MB * 2 + 5 * 1MB + 27 * 1MB = 81MB, which explains why I feel a little tight with only 64MB. Remember, you will need MORE RAM if you want to run a Web server too. > 3. Best adapters to use. If cost is an issue, the NCR-810 controllers are fantastic at around $60-$70/ea (ASUS SP200). They have very good performance. If slots becomes an issue, I start recommending the Adaptec 3940, much pricier, but you get two busses on the same card instead of just one. You _want_ multiple SCSI busses. The generic DE21040 based network cards are fine, so are many SMC cards. I still run ISA network cards in lots of my machines. > 4. Hard drives (type, brand, size, etc..). I'm admittedly a Seagate shop, and quite happy. For news, nothing more than a 9ms drive is acceptable, which places you in the Hawk/Barracuda range. Remember the golden news rule, MORE DRIVES TRANSLATES INTO MORE THROUGHPUT. You would rather have four 2GB Hawk drives than two 4GB Barracuda's. The only place you _might_ compromise for a larger (4GB) drive is alt.binaries. You should be able to get the Barra 2GB drives for around $700, the Hawk's for $600. The Barra 4GB drives are around $1100, the Hawk's around $900. Prices rounded up to the nearest even hundred dollars. Prices are at or around wholesale. :-) Read the INN FAQ's for more details about how to split up your disk space. > 5. Software (web server, news server, tools, etc..). Web server? Here, I favor Apache, because of the built in virtual Web support. For news, there is nothing besides INN. Netscape News is INN, repackaged. C-news is not seriously used anywhere anymore, for large scale operations, except at a few holdout "legacy" sites. > 6. Where to get the best prices. Become very, very good friends with a PC retailer. Give them free Internet access in exchange for wholesale prices :-) It is NOT hard to strike these kinds of deals. > etc... > > When I ask for the "best" I don't mean most expensive. What I > mean is what works well without going overboard. > > What would be helpful too, is if anyone knows where to get good deals on any > of the suggested hardware. We could all benefit (if we share price info). > I hate to buy something and find out that I should have bought.... Or > "you paid how much!... you should have gotten it..." > > Thank you in advance. > > Joel. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 12:40:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA28412 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 12:40:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from kirk.edmweb.com (kirk.edmweb.com [204.244.190.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28407 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 12:39:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from steve@localhost) by kirk.edmweb.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA02701; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 12:39:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 12:39:39 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Reid To: Livio Mazzon cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPP Server and proxy-arp bug... In-Reply-To: <199604041407.AAA29231@peg.apc.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm using 2.0.5 and intend to setup a PPP server. But I note, > Steve Reid wrote: > >avoid the headaches of the proxy-arp bug. > What type of problems can I expect with the proxy-arp bug? > What is the bug? > Is it mandatory for my site (a production ISP) to change to 2.1, or is the > problem not an issue? You *can* use 2.0.5, and you should be able to use the in_rmx.c file from 2.1-stable to fix the proxy-arp bug. But, there are a few security holes in 2.0.5... There's the telnetd hole that will allow anyone who can place a file onto your filesystem to gain root access. There's the syslogd hole that allows anyone to overflow certain internal buffers and gain root access. There are probably others that I don't know about. With those holes, you can do one of three things: 1- Patch each one individually 2- Upgrade your entire system to 2.1 3- Leave everything as-is, and hope nobody notices. FreeBSD 2.1 is probably one of the best Un*xes when it comes to out-of-the-box security. Proxy-ARP creates an ARP entry that allows other systems on your LAN (including the router) to know that the IP address of the dial-in PPP user is on the same Ethernet address as the FreeBSD dial-in box. Thus, it allows communication between the dial-in PPP user and the Ethernet (and from the Ethernet to the rest of the Internet). The Proxy-ARP bug occasionally causes the ARP entry not to be erased when the user disconnects. When someone else tries to dial in and use the same IP address, the system won't be able to create the ARP entry for them, because the old one still exists. The result being that the user has to re-dialin and hope they get an IP address that works. Eventually, probably every IP address assigned to the modems will become unusable, until you go and delete the stale ARP entries by hand. A serious problem for ISPs using FreeBSD, but there is an easy fix... The new in_rmx.c file will automatically delete an ARP entry if the user dialing in needs a new ARP entry for that IP address. The stale ARP entries are still there, until someone new comes along and needs to use that entry. So, the old ARP entries are automatically deleted right before the point where they would cause the problem. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 13:06:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA01357 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:06:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [165.90.138.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01309 Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:05:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from calweb.calweb.com (calweb.calweb.com [165.90.138.3]) by mail.calweb.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16059; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:04:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from web1.calweb.com (rdugaue@web1.calweb.com [165.90.138.10]) by calweb.calweb.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA13021; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 21:04:49 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:05:51 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Du Gaue To: Joel Kelmenson cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Recommendation Needed for server setup In-Reply-To: <9604041813.AA23448@www> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 4 Apr 1996, Joel Kelmenson wrote: > for a web and news server. I have one system that I would like > to use. It is a P90 PCI, 8mb, 720mb ide drive. First, take it from my expierence and pains and considerable help from Jordan. You absolutely do not want to use IDE for anything intensive, especially not in a server of any sort. And also don't mix the two! If you plan on having any kind of active site, 8mb is nothing, 32MB a minimum, 64 if you can swing it. Believe me, Memory is cheaper then having to run in to reset a system every few hours! > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > Things to suggest: > 1. Best CPU ASUS MB P55-socket7 with at least a P133MHz > 2. How much RAM (minimum, optimum, overkill). 32MB, 64MB, or maxed. Overkill is subjective though. You size your memory needs to your expected volume. 128KB or higher could well be justified depending on your activity. Take a look at what ftp.cdrom.com is using now adays and you'll see. That's not overkill, just a well sized system for the load. :-) > 3. Best adapters to use. > Adpatec PCIs . Our news server has a 3940 (2 chains) and a 2940. 3 controllers with over 14 gigs spread among them. It works rather well. We use SMC Ethernet PCIs. Again, very robust never had any problems with them. > 4. Hard drives (type, brand, size, etc..). I use Quqantums as much as possibly. Type and size is your call. Whether you need fast or fast-wide and how big you want is something you should think about. One big drive isn't always best as well. It helps to spread things on different chains. > 5. Software (web server, news server, tools, etc..). Whatever you need, again it depends on the task you want to do. I'd reccommend FreeBSD for the OS. :-) Apache web server, and INN for your news software. > 6. Where to get the best prices. Shop around! I'd caution you though if you're planning on using this system for some kind of production ISP machine. It pays 10-fold to spend a little extra and buy from a local hardware dealer then to mess with mailorder. Believe me, as you grow, this guy will get to know you and value your patronage. The place I get my stuff from I typically spend $5-$10k a month at (mostly modems and machines) and I get very excellent service as a result. I can go in, pick up spare controllers and parts for testing and tryout without any problems at all. I get 1 hour response times (or faster)on failed stuff simply by driving over to the place picking up a replacement and swapping it in. No hassles at all and I dont't have to wait for a fed-ex truck! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Du Gaue - rdugaue@calweb.com http://www.calweb.com President, CalWeb Internet Services Inc. (916) 641-9320 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 13:36:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA04508 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:36:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (pc40-203.dev.oclc.org [132.174.40.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04390 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:36:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ilko@localhost) by pc40-203.dev.oclc.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id QAA10070 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 16:33:42 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: ilko@oclc.org Organization: Online Computer Library Center Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 16:29:21 From: "Jon T. Ilko" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: sorry about that! Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry about that multi-reply. I think xfmail-0.3-beta has a bug. It automatically sends a reply to everyone on the list before I have a chance to edit the message. ---------------------------------- Online Computer Library Center E-Mail: Jon T. Ilko Date: 04/04/96 Time: 16:32:19 This message was sent by XF-Mail ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 17:21:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA26120 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 17:21:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA26115 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 17:21:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.etinc.com ([204.141.95.148]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA09169 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 20:25:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 20:25:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199604050125.UAA09169@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: Recommendation Needed for server setup Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >On Thu, 4 Apr 1996, Joel Kelmenson wrote: > >> for a web and news server. I have one system that I would like >> to use. It is a P90 PCI, 8mb, 720mb ide drive. > >First, take it from my expierence... blah, blah, blah. Talk to a hundred guys get a hundred different opinions. You're on your own, basically...live and learn. Most people buy way too much horsepower..remember you cant pump out more data that youve got total bandwidth...so if youve got 50 modems and a 128k serial line having 100Mbs procesing power isnt gonna make a big difference in your tput. People were running isps with slow '486s not so long ago, so buy what you can afford and upgrade as you expand. Remember that todays motherboard is garbage next year. Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and LINUX From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 18:22:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA01961 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 18:22:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA01956 Thu, 4 Apr 1996 18:22:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id SAA31746; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 18:32:25 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 19:19:54 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: Joel Kelmenson cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Recommendation Needed for server setup In-Reply-To: <9604041813.AA23448@www> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 4 Apr 1996, Joel Kelmenson wrote: > It would be great to hear some recommendations on good setup > for a web and news server. I have one system that I would like > to use. It is a P90 PCI, 8mb, 720mb ide drive. WWW, fine. News? ha, ha, ha, ha, tell me another joke! > I know that I will have to do a lot to this system. > More RAM, SCSI harddrive, SCSI adapter, ethernet adapter, etc.. You don't run news on a machine that is doing anything else other than maybe DNS. News machines need at least 32 megs RAM if you carry a full feed and at least 5 separate SCSI drives... 128 meg swap drive 400 meg root drive 400 meg history drive 1 or 2 gig overviews drive 4 or 6 gig news spool Even better is to put in several 1 gig drives on a Mylex DAC960SI and stripe them as a RAID array in place of the news spool. But keep the other drives. And turn off that sync-whatchamacallit option on the news spool and overviews for speed. > It would be very helpful if I could get some advice from those of > you who have some experience setting up quality servers. Surprisingly to some, an 8 meg machine is OK for a few shell users, email, DNS and some lightly used WWW pages. But do not under any circumstances put more than one IDE drive in such a machine. Even here a separate small SCSI drive for SWAP can make a difference. > 1. Best CPU full news feeds demand a Pentium, other stuff works fine on a 486. If you build a router box routing several Ethernets or FDDI then Pentiums are better but that would be a dedicated router running nothing but gated off any old hard drive. > 4. Hard drives (type, brand, size, etc..). If you get Barracudas or other 7200 RPM drives make sure you have a fan blowing directly across the top of the drive and leave airspace their or it will literally burn up. If neccesary glue and extra muffin fan in place in your chassis. > 5. Software (web server, news server, tools, etc..). Apache is the best UNIX WWW server http://www.apache.org. There is only one news server for ISP's, namely INN. There is only one email program for ISP's, namely sendmail. Learn to build your own tools using PERL, it's a swiss-army knife. > 6. Where to get the best prices. Your local build-it-from-the-brand-name-parts-I-specify hole in the wall store that stocks spares and is run by an electronics tech who can actually diagnose problems and fix things. This kind of store often uses ASUS motherboards. There is a newsgroup called something like alt.computer.main-board.asus which can help... > When I ask for the "best" I don't mean most expensive. What I > mean is what works well without going overboard. And I was about to recommend an SGI Power Challenge system... ;-) > What would be helpful too, is if anyone knows where to get good deals on any > of the suggested hardware. I'm serious about the "local" part in my above recommendation. You want somebody who knows your face and is willing to bend over backwards to help you out when a crisis hits. remember Murphy's law and plan accordingly. > We could all benefit (if we share price info). Not really. Then Murphy would just pick off everybody one by one... > I hate to buy something and find out that I should have bought.... I hope you're not the type of ISP who drops prices when you hear that somebody else in town is offering cheaper service than you.... That kind of ISP doesn't last long becaise they are so scared of failure that they attract it to themselves. If you care about your customers and bend over backwards to help them and give them good service (no busies) then they will pay your rates without a complaint. The few who do complain will try out your competition for a month or two and then come back to you. Read http://www.amazing.com/internet/ too. Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-546-8022 Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 18:33:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA02895 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 18:33:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from gandalf.asiapac.net ([202.188.0.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA02889 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 18:33:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from tnc173.asiapac.net (tnc173.asiapac.net [202.188.1.73]) by gandalf.asiapac.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA27303; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 10:18:39 +0800 Message-Id: <199604050218.KAA27303@gandalf.asiapac.net> X-Sender: sckhoo@mail.asiapac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 05 Apr 1996 10:29:45 -0800 To: Joel Kelmenson From: Swee-Chuan Khoo Subject: Re: Recommendation Needed for server setup Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 01:16 PM 4/4/96 -0500, you wrote: >Things to suggest: > 1. Best CPU Suggessted is P100/P133 > 2. How much RAM (minimum, optimum, overkill). Currently running at 16MB ( 20K+ newsgroup ). 32 MB optimum > 3. Best adapters to use. PCI ethernet card, using a Digital ethernet card > 4. Hard drives (type, brand, size, etc..). SCSI harddrive ( 4GB for now and 4 days archive ). Should get at least 8GB to provide a good news feed. > 5. Software (web server, news server, tools, etc..). INN > 6. Where to get the best prices. sORRY, different continent, con't comment. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Khoo Swee Chuan ( The Network Connections ) sckhoo@asiapac.net | | http://www.asiapac.net/~sckhoo/ | | tel:603-7337757 fax:603-7345577 #include | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Learn from your parents' mistakes - use birth control! From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 18:52:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA04595 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 18:52:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA04590 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 18:52:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id TAA32239; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 19:02:56 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 19:50:25 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: linuxisp@lightning.com cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: CIX membership alternatives Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 21:02:56 -0500 From: Paul Ferguson To: Michael Dillon Cc: Multiple recipients of list IAP , calan@electrici.com, woody@zocalo.net Subject: Re: CIX membership At 06:43 PM 4/4/96 -0800, Michael Dillon wrote: >On Thu, 4 Apr 1996, John Kupiec wrote: > >> SO is it time for the smaller service providers to reconsider membership in >> the Commercial Internet eXchange Association? > >Definitely time to consider it. Have a look at the rates at >http://www.cix.org/CIXInfo/96categories.html >and read some of the other info. I don't know if they will accept small ISP's >at the $1,000/year rate but it does say that it's targetted towards >smaller companies. And if you want full membership with no CIX router >connection it is only $5,000/year. Only the people who also want the CIX >router connection (IMHO not worth that much) need to pay the additional >$5,000 to bring the annual fee to $10,000. > >Definitely should be looked into... > >Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-546-8022 >Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 >http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com > I would also recommend looking into a California-based consortium that is just starting up called Packet Clearing House [PCH]. These folks are definitely geared towards the small Internet access provider. See: http://hardhat.zocalo.net/pch.html - paul -- Paul Ferguson || || Consulting Engineering || || Reston, Virginia USA |||| |||| tel: +1.703.716.9538 ..:||||||:..:||||||:.. e-mail: pferguso@cisco.com c i s c o S y s t e m s From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 22:00:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA21104 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 22:00:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA21094 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 22:00:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id WAA02224; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 22:11:01 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 22:58:31 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: dennis cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Recommendation Needed for server setup In-Reply-To: <199604050125.UAA09169@etinc.com> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 4 Apr 1996, dennis wrote: > and upgrade as you expand. Remember that todays motherboard is garbage > next year. And yesterday's motherboard is garbage this year so you can buy it cheap. Sometimes you can buy an entire system for less than the price of the RAM chips in it. ;-) Yes, I have done this.... Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-546-8022 Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 22:54:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA25903 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 22:54:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA25892 Thu, 4 Apr 1996 22:54:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0u55PM-0008sKC; Thu, 4 Apr 96 22:54 PST Message-Id: From: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: Recommendation Needed for server setup To: joel@quicklink.com (Joel Kelmenson) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 22:54:08 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9604041813.AA23448@www> from "Joel Kelmenson" at Apr 4, 96 01:16:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > It would be great to hear some recommendations on good setup > for a web and news server. I have one system that I would like > to use. It is a P90 PCI, 8mb, 720mb ide drive. Well, add another 24Meg of RAM and an Ethernet, and you have a great web server --- one that will handle a couple of T1's worth of traffic easily with FreeBSD and Apache. As others have mentioned however, if you want to run news on it, switch to SCSI and get as many of the fastest medium-to-large sized disks as you can afford. -- Alan Batie ______ We're Starfleet officers: batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / Weird is part of the job. +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Captain Janeway DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A 27 \/ 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 23:11:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA27945 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 23:11:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA27932 Thu, 4 Apr 1996 23:11:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0u55fx-0008tqC; Thu, 4 Apr 96 23:11 PST Message-Id: From: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: Recommendation Needed for server setup To: michael@memra.com (Michael Dillon) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 23:11:17 -0800 (PST) Cc: joel@quicklink.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Michael Dillon" at Apr 4, 96 07:19:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > full news feeds demand a Pentium, other stuff works fine on a 486. I'm running a full newsfeed on a 486/66 and it's mostly idle. It's the disk speed that makes the most difference. I would probably benefit from upgrading to something I could put more memory in, particularly during expires. If I had dozens or hundreds of clients, that would be required, and a bigger cpu too, probably. > There is only one email program for ISP's, namely sendmail. Unless you're concerned about security, then you run smail :-) > Learn to build your own tools using PERL, > it's a swiss-army knife. Absolutely critical! -- Alan Batie ______ We're Starfleet officers: batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / Weird is part of the job. +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Captain Janeway DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A 27 \/ 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 5 08:52:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA24974 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 08:52:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24968 Fri, 5 Apr 1996 08:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id KAA04751; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 10:52:04 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199604051652.KAA04751@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Recommendation Needed for server setup To: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 10:52:04 -0600 (CST) Cc: michael@memra.com, joel@quicklink.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Alan Batie" at Apr 4, 96 11:11:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > full news feeds demand a Pentium, other stuff works fine on a 486. > > I'm running a full newsfeed on a 486/66 and it's mostly idle. It's the > disk speed that makes the most difference. I would probably benefit from > upgrading to something I could put more memory in, particularly during > expires. If I had dozens or hundreds of clients, that would be required, > and a bigger cpu too, probably. Here I would typically agree, news.sol.net was a SP3G 486DX4/100 up until a month or two ago, I upgraded to a P90 because I got an excellent deal, not because it needed it. You really need RAM and I/O capacity more than CPU. Some other folks have been talking about 32MB of RAM. Well, maybe it was just me, but that did not cut it for me. Even at 48MB of RAM, with a 16MB history.pag file, expires were painful and performance suffered.. And if you're going to run Web stuff alongside it, I would really suggest that 64MB is minimal. > > There is only one email program for ISP's, namely sendmail. > > Unless you're concerned about security, then you run smail :-) Eh, security through obscurity? Nobody's yet explained to me why smail is more secure than Sendmail, beyond the fact that nobody really uses smail and therefore the security loopholes that it may offer do not get noticed as rapidly. > > Learn to build your own tools using PERL, > > it's a swiss-army knife. > > Absolutely critical! :-) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 5 15:01:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA19667 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 15:01:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.vividnet.com (mail.vividnet.com [206.149.144.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19662 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 15:01:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from aquarius.vividnet.com (postmaster@mail.vividnet.com) by mail.vividnet.com (8.7.4/8.7.4) with SMTP id OAA02004 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 14:59:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 15:01:06 -0800 (PST) From: Robin Chen X-Sender: robinche@aquarius.vividnet.com To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Multiple HD in spool for Inn Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, In the man for news-recovery, I found that in order to do makehistory for system that is using multiple HD for spool, the following should be executed before makehistory. > find . -type l -name '[1-9]*' -print | xargs -t rm Howevery, after execution such command, it would take out all my soft links.. A link from $SPOOL/alt/binaries to /disk3 would get removed. How would makehistory scan the spool for alt.binaries.*. Is there a way to remove the old forgotten articles other than makehistory or using find? Robin PS. Please reply soon, my server is throttling :( From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 5 17:21:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA27010 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 17:21:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA27005 Fri, 5 Apr 1996 17:21:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0u5MfE-0008tvC; Fri, 5 Apr 96 17:19 PST Message-Id: From: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: Recommendation Needed for server setup To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 17:19:40 -0800 (PST) Cc: michael@memra.com, joel@quicklink.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199604051652.KAA04751@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from "Joe Greco" at Apr 5, 96 10:52:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Some other folks have been talking about 32MB of RAM. Well, maybe it was > just me, but that did not cut it for me. Yes, I'm running 32Meg, and expires are pretty lengthy. I really wish motherboard makers would get a clue. I've been running a system for over 10 years, on 5 or 6 systems, and every time I've upgraded it's been so I could put more memory in the system, not because I needed more horsepower. > > Unless you're concerned about security, then you run smail :-) > > Eh, security through obscurity? Nobody's yet explained to me why smail is > more secure than Sendmail, beyond the fact that nobody really uses smail and > therefore the security loopholes that it may offer do not get noticed as > rapidly. Well, the author did once comment about having at least thought about security while writing it (meaning no slight on Eric). Regardless of whether smail's holes aren't there or just don't get found, the fact is, I've never seen a CERT advisory for it, whereas sendmail has them about once a month (well, maybe a quarter). If all the crackers are poking at sendmail and ignoring smail, that's still a good reason to use in my book. Besides, the main reason I run it is that you can actually configure it without a configuration compiler and a personal guru :-) -- Alan Batie ______ We're Starfleet officers: batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / Weird is part of the job. +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Captain Janeway DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A 27 \/ 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 5 17:29:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA27282 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 17:29:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA27261 Fri, 5 Apr 1996 17:29:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA14348; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 17:39:53 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 18:27:19 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommendation Needed for server setup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 5 Apr 1996, Alan Batie wrote: > about once a month (well, maybe a quarter). If all the crackers are > poking at sendmail and ignoring smail, that's still a good reason to > use in my book. Besides, the main reason I run it is that you can > actually configure it without a configuration compiler and a personal > guru :-) If anyone is seriously considering switching to smail, you should also have a look at smapd from the TIS firewall toolkit at ftp.tis.com. SMAPD acts as an SMTP proxy giving hackers nothing to poke at. It passes the mail over to sendmail for the normal processing. This way, sendmail only talks to the simpleminded and well-known smapd which is totally under your control. Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-546-8022 Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 6 11:25:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA11694 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 11:25:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11689 Sat, 6 Apr 1996 11:25:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id NAA06172; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 13:24:57 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199604061924.NAA06172@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Recommendation Needed for server setup To: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 13:24:57 -0600 (CST) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, michael@memra.com, joel@quicklink.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Alan Batie" at Apr 5, 96 05:19:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Some other folks have been talking about 32MB of RAM. Well, maybe it was > > just me, but that did not cut it for me. > > Yes, I'm running 32Meg, and expires are pretty lengthy. I really wish > motherboard makers would get a clue. I've been running a system for over > 10 years, on 5 or 6 systems, and every time I've upgraded it's been so I > could put more memory in the system, not because I needed more horsepower. Well this is the world of computers :-) Remember even Gates screwed up, and don't you ever forget that 640K is more than enough to do ANY job. (Notice: DOS users are still living with this ****up). > > > Unless you're concerned about security, then you run smail :-) > > > > Eh, security through obscurity? Nobody's yet explained to me why smail is > > more secure than Sendmail, beyond the fact that nobody really uses smail and > > therefore the security loopholes that it may offer do not get noticed as > > rapidly. > > Well, the author did once comment about having at least thought about > security while writing it (meaning no slight on Eric). Regardless of > whether smail's holes aren't there or just don't get found, the fact > is, I've never seen a CERT advisory for it, whereas sendmail has them > about once a month (well, maybe a quarter). If all the crackers are > poking at sendmail and ignoring smail, that's still a good reason to > use in my book. Besides, the main reason I run it is that you can > actually configure it without a configuration compiler and a personal > guru :-) Guess I see that differently :-) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968