From owner-freebsd-current Sun Jun 8 09:33:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA20513 for current-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 09:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20508 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 09:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Jupiter.Mcs.Net (karl@Jupiter.mcs.net [192.160.127.88]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id LAA10100 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:33:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Jupiter.Mcs.Net (8.8.5/8.8.2) id LAA02374; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:33:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19970608113307.38349@Jupiter.Mcs.Net> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:33:07 -0500 From: Karl Denninger To: current@freebsd.org Subject: LDAP question - how to enable for Microsoft Netmeeting? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.64 Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Does anyone have the config settings for sladp to enable it to work with the Microsoft Netmeeting program? I get connected, but get an immediate error back.. Any help appreciated. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity http://www.mcs.net/~karl | T1's from $600 monthly to FULL DS-3 Service | 99 Analog numbers, 77 ISDN, http://www.mcs.net/ Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| NOW Serving 56kbps DIGITAL on our analog lines! Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | 2 FULL DS-3 Internet links; 400Mbps B/W Internal From owner-freebsd-current Sun Jun 8 09:34:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA20724 for current-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 09:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20703 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 09:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA01346; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 18:34:05 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with UUCP id SAA16613; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 18:33:30 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.5/keltia-uucp-2.9) id SAA28657; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 18:22:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970608182250.04266@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 18:22:50 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: "FreeBSD Current Users' list" Subject: Worldstone for K6/208 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.67 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#3359 AMD-K6 MMX @ 208 MHz Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk K6-166 running @ 208 MHz, 64 MB RAM, 2x NCR 810 with a disk on each /dev/sd0g 496367 296588 160070 65% /src (/usr/src) /dev/sd12g 279647 150037 107239 58% /y (/usr/obj) /usr/obj empty at the beginning and mounted "async,noatime". Make world with -DNOCLEAN -DNOPROFILE. -------------------------------------------------------------- make world started on Sun Jun 8 16:01:04 CEST 1997 -------------------------------------------------------------- ... -------------------------------------------------------------- make world completed on Sun Jun 8 17:23:00 CEST 1997 -------------------------------------------------------------- 4916.49 real 2790.79 user 658.80 sys 1:22, not too bad :-) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: There are no limits -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #13: Mon May 26 20:54:39 CEST 1997 From owner-freebsd-current Sun Jun 8 11:23:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06303 for current-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:23:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA06247 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA28291; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:17:55 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199706081817.LAA28291@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: sio driver performance To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:17:55 -0700 (MST) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, straka@inficad.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199706070431.OAA28487@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 7, 97 02:31:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >I have noticed that the communications work great until I interrupt the > >process on the box which is tranmitting the data. At that point, the box > >which was receiving suddenly elevates to 100% CPU usage (mostly system) as > >if in a polling loop. When I attempt to reestablish the process which is > > Hangup on the tranmitter breaks the connection. There is no way (*) to > get the same connection back - reads on the open fd will return -1/EIO > forever. (Reads should return 0, but there is a minor bug that prevents > this in some cases. POSIX allows either EOF (0) or -1/EIO.) Not to mention that set the device as controlling tty so that you get the SIGHUP. As far as using the "non-standard" method: if you are depending on O_EXCL exclusive open to block other processes attempting to open the port (such as you might do if you did not want to bother with the "lock file" crock), then closing the port is not really an option. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Sun Jun 8 13:17:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA15823 for current-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 13:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [194.77.0.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15815 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 13:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with UUCP id WAA19022; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:15:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA01976; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:00:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970608220038.43119@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:00:38 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: Ollivier Robert Cc: "FreeBSD Current Users' list" Subject: Re: Worldstone for K6/208 References: <19970608182250.04266@keltia.freenix.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.75 In-Reply-To: <19970608182250.04266@keltia.freenix.fr>; from Ollivier Robert on Sun, Jun 08, 1997 at 06:22:50PM +0200 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, Jun 08, 1997 at 06:22:50PM +0200, Ollivier Robert wrote: > > 1:22, not too bad :-) Congradulations ;-) Now you are about 38 Minutes faster than I ;-) What disks do you have ? I have the IBM DOORS 32160 and think I'm kinda disk i/o bound. On the other hand I'm making a "full" make world, make objdirs and the only thing I don't do are profiled libraries ... On a make world the directories have to be cleaned and such. And I can't run multiple jobs (-j 8), too bad ;-)) Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm | klemm.gtn.com - powered by Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/benches.html From owner-freebsd-current Sun Jun 8 15:01:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA19523 for current-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19518 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA02416 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:01:14 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with UUCP id AAA19541 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:00:40 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.5/keltia-uucp-2.9) id AAA01586; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:00:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970609000009.47066@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:00:09 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: "FreeBSD Current Users' list" Subject: Re: Worldstone for K6/208 References: <19970608182250.04266@keltia.freenix.fr> <19970608220038.43119@klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.67 In-Reply-To: <19970608220038.43119@klemm.gtn.com>; from Andreas Klemm on Sun, Jun 08, 1997 at 10:00:38PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#3359 AMD-K6 MMX @ 208 MHz Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Andreas Klemm: > Congradulations ;-) Now you are about 38 Minutes faster than I ;-) What is your system ? Dual pentium ? Don't forget that 208 is 2.5x 83 MHz so the whole machine is faster, not the CPU alone. > What disks do you have ? I have the IBM DOORS 32160 and think > I'm kinda disk i/o bound. I have an IBM DORS 32160 narrow (sd0) on ncr0 and a Conner CFP1080S narrow (sd12) on ncr1. If you have both /usr/src and /usr/obj on the same disk, you are more I/O bound than I do. sd0: type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd12: type 0 fixed SCSI 2 > On the other hand I'm making a "full" make world, make objdirs and > the only thing I don't do are profiled libraries ... Even with the "make cleandir" part, I'd be faster than you :-) > On a make world the directories have to be cleaned and such. And > I can't run multiple jobs (-j 8), too bad ;-)) Do you mount /usr/obj with async ? noatime ? Both help a lot. Anyway, I'm really impressed with the K6. Even with bcopy/copyin not using the FPU, this machine is fast. Last time I did a "make world" on my work machine (P6/200, 64 MB RAM, 1x Adaptec 7880, 2 disks on it), it was in the same range (1h20 or so). -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: There are no limits -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #18: Sun Jun 8 15:32:28 CEST 1997 From owner-freebsd-current Sun Jun 8 16:36:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA22539 for current-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 16:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mrynet.com (staylor@www.mrynet.com [206.154.101.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22533 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 16:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from staylor@localhost) by mrynet.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id QAA00381 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 16:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706082336.QAA00381@mrynet.com> From: staylor@mrynet.com (Scott G. Akmentins-Taylor) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 16:36:08 +0000 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Easier diskpart? (a la sysinstall) Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Either I don't see it, or no one has done it yet: I REALLY would like to be able to do disk partitioning (diskpart(8)) in the same way sysinstall handles it (i.e. specifying the partition's sizes or cylinders). Is such a program hiding, or has anyone written this yet? Paldies :) -skots -- Scott G. Akmentins-Taylor InterNet: staylor@mrynet.com MRY Systems staylor@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov Westlake Village, CA USA VIENOTI LATVIJAI! (Skots Gregorijs Akmentins-Teilors -- just call me "Skots") ----- Labak miris neka sarkans ----- From owner-freebsd-current Sun Jun 8 22:40:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA05839 for current-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05834 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA28991 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA05885 for current@freebsd.org; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:38:08 +1000 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:38:08 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199706090538.PAA05885@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/boot/biosboot Makefile README.serial boot.c boot.h io.c probe_keyboard.c serial.S sys.c Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >bde 1997/06/08 22:10:57 PDT > > Modified files: > sys/i386/boot/biosboot Makefile README.serial boot.c boot.h > io.c probe_keyboard.c serial.S sys.c > Log: > - Added support for "dual" internal/serial consoles (-D flag). If -D is set, > then all i/o from the boot blocks is to and from both the internal console > and the serial console. -D has no effect on the kernel (-h decides the > kernel serial console as usual). -D should normally be set in /boot.config. > - Get help messages from /boot.help. You should copy boot.help from the > biosboot directory to the root directory on the boot drive when you > install new boot blocks. > - New, less invasive keyboard probe. Enable keyboard probe dynamically (-P > flag). Should probably never be used (use -h instead). > - Fixed/improved initialization from boot.config. It didn't interact correctly > with the NAMEBLOCK option, and the initialization of the drive/unit/partition > didn't stick when a non-default kernel name was entered. > - Don't reset or forget the default drive/unit/... or kernel name so often. > - Set the default kernel name to something unbootable after `?'. > - Display the defaults better. > - Removed PROBE_KEYBOARD_LOCK option (use -h instead)., > - Removed BOOT_FORCE_COMCONSOLE option (use device flag 0x20 instead). > - Removed -a (RB_HALT) flag. This flag is only used for reboots. > Submitted by: about 2/3 by yokota You now need to install /boot.help manually when installing new boot blocks. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Sun Jun 8 23:56:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA08266 for current-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 23:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.linkdesign.com (nserv1.hlink.com.cy [194.42.131.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA08255 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 23:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsd.linkdesign.com (simon.bofh.com.cy [194.42.135.70]) by relay.linkdesign.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id JAA16625 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:57:38 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from michael.bielicki@localhost) by bsd.linkdesign.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00599; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:56:45 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <19970609095644.06706@linkdesign.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:56:44 +0300 From: Michael Bielicki To: current@freebsd.org Subject: problems with bash and one more with ghostscript Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.75 Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, since I installed bash-2.01 scp want wotrk any more since bash allways thinks its asking for an interactive shell. Strange. But, I have a problem thats much worse. Since I upgraded 2 weeks ago to the next current, ghostscript takes days to finish a printjob via apsfilter. Display is no problem. I am using a stcolor printer and printouts take about 48h per page. thats really really weird. I have todays current. ports were updated after make world. HELP!!! Without printing my whole setup starts being useless since I can't work .... Michael -- Michael Bielicki Link Design International Ltd. Buisnetco Telecommunications Ltd. 65 Cliff Road, Tramore, Office 23, 13, Iras Street Co. Waterford, Ireland Nicosia 1061, Rep. of Cyprus Tel: +353-51-390880 We use FreeBSD Tel: +357 2 362 421 Fax: +353 51 386921 http://www.linkdesign.com Fax: +357 2 362 429 From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jun 9 00:51:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA09873 for current-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from firewall.ftf.dk (root@[129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA09867 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.prosa.dk ([192.168.100.2]) by firewall.ftf.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26270; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:11:32 +0200 Received: from deepo.prosa.dk (deepo.prosa.dk [192.168.100.10]) by mail.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA16504; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:02:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) id KAA16518; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:01:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970609100122.56814@deepo.prosa.dk> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:01:22 +0200 From: Philippe Regnauld To: Michael Bielicki Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems with bash and one more with ghostscript References: <19970609095644.06706@linkdesign.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: Main Body X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <19970609095644.06706@linkdesign.com>; from Michael Bielicki on Mon, Jun 09, 1997 at 09:56:44AM +0300 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Bielicki writes: > since I installed bash-2.01 scp want wotrk any more since bash allways > thinks its asking for an interactive shell. Strange. Bash 2.01 is known to be weird. Stay at 1.14.7 until you've read the changelist between 1.14.7 and 2.x. > But, I have a problem thats much worse. Since I upgraded 2 weeks ago to > the next current, ghostscript takes days to finish a printjob via apsfilter. > Display is no problem. I am using a stcolor printer and printouts take about > 48h per page. thats really really weird. I have todays current. ports > were updated after make world. Things to check: - did you enable FPU emulation ([GPL_]MATH_EMULATE) in the kernel by mistake ? - conflicting interrupts on 7 (typicaally a sound card or other device using the same irq as the printer ?) - are you running in polled or interrupt mode for the printer ? (lptcontrol -i / -p) Try changing to polled mode and see if things go faster. Last, anything else you might have changed _with_ current: - printer cable - new I/O card - new BIOS/motherboard ? -- -- Phil -[ Philippe Regnauld / Systems Administrator / regnauld@prosa.dk ]- -[ Location.: +55.4N +11.3E PGP Key: finger regnauld@hotel.prosa.dk ]- From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jun 9 00:51:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA09892 for current-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.warman.org.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA09880 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA06952; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:50:35 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:50:35 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Andreas Klemm cc: Ollivier Robert , "FreeBSD Current Users' list" Subject: Re: Worldstone for K6/208 In-Reply-To: <19970608220038.43119@klemm.gtn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 8 Jun 1997, Andreas Klemm wrote: > On Sun, Jun 08, 1997 at 06:22:50PM +0200, Ollivier Robert wrote: > > > > 1:22, not too bad :-) > > Congradulations ;-) Now you are about 38 Minutes faster than I ;-) You know, guys, this whole Worldstone thing sounds to me pretty useless. The source tree changes every day, so in fact you compare *two different* "worlds". That's my opinion. Prove me wrong, and I'll yield :-) Sincerely yours, --- Andrzej Bialecki FreeBSD: Turning PCs Into Workstations http://www.freebsd.org Research and Academic Network in Poland From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jun 9 01:17:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA10932 for current-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA10927 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id RAA26035; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:46:01 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199706090816.RAA26035@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Worldstone for K6/208 In-Reply-To: from Andrzej Bialecki at "Jun 9, 97 09:50:35 am" To: abial@korin.warman.org.pl (Andrzej Bialecki) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:46:01 +0930 (CST) Cc: andreas@klemm.gtn.com, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andrzej Bialecki stands accused of saying: > On Sun, 8 Jun 1997, Andreas Klemm wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 08, 1997 at 06:22:50PM +0200, Ollivier Robert wrote: > > > > > > 1:22, not too bad :-) > > > > Congradulations ;-) Now you are about 38 Minutes faster than I ;-) > > You know, guys, this whole Worldstone thing sounds to me pretty useless. > The source tree changes every day, so in fact you compare *two different* > "worlds". That's my opinion. Prove me wrong, and I'll yield :-) Relax; the "worldstone" is a seat-of-the-pants benchmark. If you want to get all numeric at us, try the 2.2.2-RELEASEstone. > Andrzej Bialecki FreeBSD: Turning PCs Into Workstations -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jun 9 01:53:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA12303 for current-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA12293 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA13075; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:49:24 -0700 (PDT) To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: Andreas Klemm , Ollivier Robert , "FreeBSD Current Users' list" Subject: Re: Worldstone for K6/208 In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Jun 1997 09:50:35 +0200." Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 01:49:24 -0700 Message-ID: <13049.865846164@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > You know, guys, this whole Worldstone thing sounds to me pretty useless. > The source tree changes every day, so in fact you compare *two different* > "worlds". That's my opinion. Prove me wrong, and I'll yield :-) Back when we used to actually try and *meaningfully* compare worldstones, oh at least a year or so ago (:-), we always used the same-dated -current tree on all systems using the well-known "shouting method" of syncronization ("OK, we're all going to use March 15th, right? And anyone not using a 15th March tree is just going to shut up, right?", "[chorus] Right!", "OK then! Build 'em!"). I suggest a return to this practice. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jun 9 02:39:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA14201 for current-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 02:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from firewall.ftf.dk ([129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA14196 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 02:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.prosa.dk ([192.168.100.2]) by firewall.ftf.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27419 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:00:02 +0200 Received: from deepo.prosa.dk (deepo.prosa.dk [192.168.100.10]) by mail.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA16674 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:50:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) id LAA17771; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:49:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970609114952.56938@deepo.prosa.dk> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:49:52 +0200 From: Philippe Regnauld To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Worldstone for K6/208 References: <13049.865846164@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: Main Body X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <13049.865846164@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Mon, Jun 09, 1997 at 01:49:24AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > right? And anyone not using a 15th March tree is just going to shut > up, right?", "[chorus] Right!", "OK then! Build 'em!"). Suits me, just as long as it's not gonna be: "BTW, was that 15th March _before_ or after the mega_VM_patch ?" "Oh, that's before, but _after_ lite2_userland_integration..." "Argh, yeah, the one after mega_PCI_code revision" > I suggest a return to this practice. :-) :-) -- -- Phil -[ Philippe Regnauld / Systems Administrator / regnauld@prosa.dk ]- -[ Location.: +55.4N +11.3E PGP Key: finger regnauld@hotel.prosa.dk ]- From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jun 9 05:49:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA20640 for current-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 05:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.linkdesign.com (nserv1.hlink.com.cy [194.42.131.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA20632 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 05:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsd.linkdesign.com (simon.bofh.com.cy [194.42.135.70]) by relay.linkdesign.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id PAA07128 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:49:37 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from michael.bielicki@localhost) by bsd.linkdesign.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA02071; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:48:44 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <19970609154843.20282@linkdesign.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:48:43 +0300 From: Michael Bielicki To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems with bash and one more with ghostscript References: <19970609095644.06706@linkdesign.com> <19970609100122.56814@deepo.prosa.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.75 In-Reply-To: <19970609100122.56814@deepo.prosa.dk>; from Philippe Regnauld on Mon, Jun 09, 1997 at 10:01:22AM +0200 Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, Jun 09, 1997 at 10:01:22AM +0200, Philippe Regnauld shaped the electrons to say: > > 48h per page. thats really really weird. I have todays current. ports > > were updated after make world. > > Things to check: > > - did you enable FPU emulation ([GPL_]MATH_EMULATE) in the kernel > by mistake ? > - conflicting interrupts on 7 (typicaally a sound card or other > device using the same irq as the printer ?) > - are you running in polled or interrupt mode for the printer ? > (lptcontrol -i / -p) lptcontrol -p did the job. But I still can't find any interrupt conflicts hmmmm > Try changing to polled mode and see if things go faster. > > Last, anything else you might have changed _with_ current: > > - printer cable > - new I/O card > - new BIOS/motherboard ? > > > -- > -- Phil > > -[ Philippe Regnauld / Systems Administrator / regnauld@prosa.dk ]- > -[ Location.: +55.4N +11.3E PGP Key: finger regnauld@hotel.prosa.dk ]- > -- Michael Bielicki Link Design International Ltd. Buisnetco Telecommunications Ltd. 65 Cliff Road, Tramore, Office 23, 13, Iras Street Co. Waterford, Ireland Nicosia 1061, Rep. of Cyprus Tel: +353-51-390880 We use FreeBSD Tel: +357 2 362 421 Fax: +353 51 386921 http://www.linkdesign.com Fax: +357 2 362 429 From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jun 9 08:07:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA26462 for current-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from firewall.ftf.dk (root@[129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA26442 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.prosa.dk ([192.168.100.2]) by firewall.ftf.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA03553; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:27:15 +0200 Received: from deepo.prosa.dk (deepo.prosa.dk [192.168.100.10]) by mail.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA17186; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:18:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) id RAA18469; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:17:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970609171703.51404@deepo.prosa.dk> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:17:03 +0200 From: Philippe Regnauld To: Michael Bielicki Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problems with bash and one more with ghostscript References: <19970609095644.06706@linkdesign.com> <19970609100122.56814@deepo.prosa.dk> <19970609154843.20282@linkdesign.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: Main Body X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <19970609154843.20282@linkdesign.com>; from Michael Bielicki on Mon, Jun 09, 1997 at 03:48:43PM +0300 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Bielicki writes: > > - are you running in polled or interrupt mode for the printer ? > > (lptcontrol -i / -p) > > lptcontrol -p did the job. But I still can't find any interrupt conflicts hmmmm You've probably got a stray or conflicting interrupt. Check the BIOS settings. Check for a flaky // cable. -- -- Phil -[ Philippe Regnauld / Systems Administrator / regnauld@prosa.dk ]- -[ Location.: +55.4N +11.3E PGP Key: finger regnauld@hotel.prosa.dk ]- From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jun 9 14:24:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15667 for current-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15658 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsampley.vip.best.com (bsampley.vip.best.com [206.184.160.196]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id OAA28781 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:19:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Burton Sampley To: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: overclocking Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greetings, I've seen several references to people over-clocking their systems, just recently with the thread on the K6 making world in 1:21 hr. How do you do that? I have a P133 on an ASUS P/I P55T2P4 MB w/ 80 meg RAM and 2 lethargic EIDE drives (both WD's 1.6 & 3.1). I have currently set the MB to the 2.0 & 66 MHz. I tried setting the jumpers for 2.5 and leaving the other at 66 MHz, but even BIOS wouldn't come up (I was staring at a blank screen). Does anybody know the correct jumper settings (for J8 - J11) to boost my system up to 166 and 83 MHz? Is it worth the risk of send my CPU & MB into meltdown? Thanks in advance, Burton Sampley Brought to you by a 100% Micro$oft free system. You too can disinfect your system at http://www.freebsd.org E-Mail: burton@bsampley.vip.best.com Alternate E-Mail: bsampley@haywire.csuhayward.edu Home Page: http://www.best.com/~bsampley (permanently under construction) From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jun 9 15:23:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA17929 for current-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:23:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17920 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA01036; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706092222.PAA01036@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> To: burton@bsampley.vip.best.com CC: current@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: (message from Burton Sampley on Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:19:58 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: overclocking From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You should post questions like this to -hardware, Burton. * that? I have a P133 on an ASUS P/I P55T2P4 MB w/ 80 meg RAM and 2 * lethargic EIDE drives (both WD's 1.6 & 3.1). I have currently set the MB * to the 2.0 & 66 MHz. I tried setting the jumpers for 2.5 and leaving the * other at 66 MHz, but even BIOS wouldn't come up (I was staring at a blank * screen). Your CPU is probably getting too hot. You may need a better fan. However, I suggest you invest some money on SCSI drives before you even try overclocking. (Get the 8ms/7,200rpm variants too -- 10ms/5,400rpm won't do much better.) The bottleneck of your machine during compilation should be the disks, not the CPU. * Does anybody know the correct jumper settings (for J8 - J11) to boost my * system up to 166 and 83 MHz? Is it worth the risk of send my CPU & MB * into meltdown? www.sysdoc.pair.com Satoshi From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jun 9 17:49:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA25372 for current-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA25367 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rover.village.org [127.0.0.1] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.60 #1) id 0wbF6m-0000Ni-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:48:24 -0600 To: Michael Smith Subject: Re: Worldstone for K6/208 Cc: abial@korin.warman.org.pl (Andrzej Bialecki), andreas@klemm.gtn.com, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, freebsd-current@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Jun 1997 17:46:01 +0930." <199706090816.RAA26035@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> References: <199706090816.RAA26035@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 18:48:24 -0600 From: Warner Losh Message-Id: Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199706090816.RAA26035@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Michael Smith writes: : Relax; the "worldstone" is a seat-of-the-pants benchmark. If you want to : get all numeric at us, try the 2.2.2-RELEASEstone. Or do what I did and use the same sources for all your tests. :-) Warner From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jun 9 17:50:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA25475 for current-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA25468 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rover.village.org [127.0.0.1] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.60 #1) id 0wbF8D-0000Nr-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:49:53 -0600 To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Subject: Re: overclocking Cc: burton@bsampley.vip.best.com, current@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Jun 1997 15:22:58 PDT." <199706092222.PAA01036@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> References: <199706092222.PAA01036@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 18:49:52 -0600 From: Warner Losh Message-Id: Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199706092222.PAA01036@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> Satoshi Asami writes: : However, I suggest you invest some money on SCSI drives before you : even try overclocking. (Get the 8ms/7,200rpm variants too -- : 10ms/5,400rpm won't do much better.) The bottleneck of your machine : during compilation should be the disks, not the CPU. I found about a 250% improvement in speed going from a JAZ drive to a 10ms 5400rpm drive. Warner From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jun 9 17:50:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA25540 for current-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA25527 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rover.village.org [127.0.0.1] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.60 #1) id 0wbF8i-0000O3-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:50:24 -0600 To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Subject: Re: overclocking Cc: burton@bsampley.vip.best.com, current@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Jun 1997 15:22:58 PDT." <199706092222.PAA01036@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> References: <199706092222.PAA01036@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 18:50:24 -0600 From: Warner Losh Message-Id: Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199706092222.PAA01036@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> Satoshi Asami writes: : However, I suggest you invest some money on SCSI drives before you : even try overclocking. (Get the 8ms/7,200rpm variants too -- : 10ms/5,400rpm won't do much better.) The bottleneck of your machine : during compilation should be the disks, not the CPU. P.S. And about a 5-10% improvement for overclocking the PPro 180 to 200. Warner From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jun 9 19:04:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA00362 for current-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cactus.fi.uba.ar (cactus.fi.uba.ar [157.92.49.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00321; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msagre@localhost) by cactus.fi.uba.ar (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA26412; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:06:09 GMT Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:06:09 +0000 () From: Miguel Angel Sagreras To: hackers@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org, emulation@freebsd.org Subject: IBCS2 emulation bug installing ORACLE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Installing Oracle from CD-ROM, with ORACLE 7.3.2.1 Installer, I got a bus error caused by a 16 bits versus 32 bits alignament problem in ftime xenix system call The original code is in ibcs2_xenix.c in function xenix_ftime line 132 return copyout((caddr_t)&itb, (caddr_t)SCARG(uap, tp), sizeof(struct timeb)); The modify code is return copyout((caddr_t)&itb, (caddr_t)SCARG(uap, tp), sizeof(struct timeb)-2); I know this is not the best way to correct the code but it works. I think that there are more bugs like this. Now I working with another bug with the ibcs2_getgroups, with ORACLE Installer too. Regards Miguel Angel From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jun 9 21:19:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA07434 for current-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (wck-ca7-16.ix.netcom.com [204.31.231.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA07429 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.9) id VAA00663; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706100418.VAA00663@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: imp@village.org CC: burton@bsampley.vip.best.com, current@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from Warner Losh on Mon, 09 Jun 1997 18:49:52 -0600) Subject: Re: overclocking From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * I found about a 250% improvement in speed going from a JAZ drive to a * 10ms 5400rpm drive. I'm not saying that 10ms 5,400rpm SCSI drives are not faster than JAZ, I'm saying that they are not much better than 11ms 5,200rpm IDE drives. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jun 9 21:33:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA08323 for current-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA08316 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rover.village.org [127.0.0.1] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.60 #1) id 0wbIcL-0000Xo-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 22:33:13 -0600 To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Subject: Re: overclocking Cc: burton@bsampley.vip.best.com, current@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Jun 1997 21:18:18 PDT." <199706100418.VAA00663@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> References: <199706100418.VAA00663@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 22:33:13 -0600 From: Warner Losh Message-Id: Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199706100418.VAA00663@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Satoshi Asami writes: : I'm not saying that 10ms 5,400rpm SCSI drives are not faster than JAZ, : I'm saying that they are not much better than 11ms 5,200rpm IDE : drives. I agree. I was just showing how much disk choice impacted worldstone performance. Much more so than overclocking did. I got a big win also from mounting /usr/obj async and /usr/src noatime,noasync. I suspect that I'd have gotten a win from having /usr/obj and /usr/src on different spindles maybe with ccd in the mix. Warner From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jun 9 22:00:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA09739 for current-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 22:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09732 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 22:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id WAA25230; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 22:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA14947; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706100458.VAA14947@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) cc: burton@bsampley.vip.best.com, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: overclocking In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 09 Jun 97 15:22:58 -0700. <199706092222.PAA01036@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 21:58:38 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >However, I suggest you invest some money on SCSI drives before you >even try overclocking. (Get the 8ms/7,200rpm variants too -- >10ms/5,400rpm won't do much better.) The bottleneck of your machine >during compilation should be the disks, not the CPU. Satoshi! Shame on you... Haven't you learned anything from our friend Joe Greco?? You're betting off buying two 2GB 5400RPM drives and striping them with ccd, than buying one 4GB 7200RPM drive. You *will* get better performance in almost all benchmarks, and most real-world use. I'm surprised, especially after Jordan's recent conversion to this religion, trumpets blaring loudly and all. Trust me. Stripe your drives. It's worth it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jun 9 22:35:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA10913 for current-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 22:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA10903 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 22:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA04797 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:35:04 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with UUCP id HAA08973 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:34:53 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.5/keltia-uucp-2.9) id HAA07143; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:29:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970610072939.55693@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:29:39 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: overclocking References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.67 In-Reply-To: ; from Burton Sampley on Mon, Jun 09, 1997 at 02:19:58PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#3359 AMD-K6 MMX @ 208 MHz Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Burton Sampley: > recently with the thread on the K6 making world in 1:21 hr. How do you do > that? I have a P133 on an ASUS P/I P55T2P4 MB w/ 80 meg RAM and 2 Which revision of the P55T2P4 ? You'll need 3.0 or later in order to use 75 & 83 MHz. 75 MHz is documented in the manual but 83 MHz is not. JP8 JP9 JP10 = 1-2 2-3 1-2 for 75 MHz = 1-2 1-2 2-3 for 83 MHz All [gory] details on . > lethargic EIDE drives (both WD's 1.6 & 3.1). I have currently set the MB > to the 2.0 & 66 MHz. I tried setting the jumpers for 2.5 and leaving the > other at 66 MHz, but even BIOS wouldn't come up (I was staring at a blank > screen). Do you have a proper fan/heat sink ? That is _very_ important for overclocking. Is your P133 recent or not ? Some recent versions of the pentium refuse to run at a different clock multiplier and the only thing you can do is to use a faster bus. > Does anybody know the correct jumper settings (for J8 - J11) to boost my > system up to 166 and 83 MHz? Is it worth the risk of send my CPU & MB > into meltdown? Like Satoshi said, buy a NCR SCSI card and some SCSI drive. That'll help a lot too. With proper cooling you can do wonder with overclocking. The dd test gave me 144 MB/s for a P166 (P133 running @ 2x 83 MHz). -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: There are no limits -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #18: Sun Jun 8 15:32:28 CEST 1997 From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jun 9 23:14:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA12566 for current-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA12558 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA10346; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:13:23 -0700 (PDT) To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami), burton@bsampley.vip.best.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: overclocking In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Jun 1997 21:58:38 PDT." <199706100458.VAA14947@MindBender.serv.net> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 23:13:23 -0700 Message-ID: <10342.865923203@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm surprised, especially after Jordan's recent conversion to this > religion, trumpets blaring loudly and all. > > Trust me. Stripe your drives. It's worth it. Well, Jordan still has his questions about this new religion - my faith is not entirely pure. :-) Most importantly, I'd like to be able to migrate off and dismount a drive from a ccd or add one dynamically, automagically resizing the filesystem on it in either case, before I could ever consider it close to mission critical safe. As it stands now, you simply decrease your file system's fault-tolerance by a factor of the number of drives you have, and that sucks. I've already lost the ccd fs at current.freebsd.org once due to a drive crash, and it sure would be nice indeed to be able to: a) tell ccd to stop using a drive, b) tell ccd to migrate from a drive, if enough free space on other drives exists, and c) adopt a new drive. It still wouldn't stop CCD from being an AID rather than a RAID solution, but it sure would make the admin's life a hell of a lot easier in times of failure. Jordan From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jun 9 23:24:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA12923 for current-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.uniserve.com (shell.uniserve.com [204.244.210.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA12903 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (tom@localhost) by shell.uniserve.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA21870; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:22:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shell.uniserve.com: tom owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:21:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: Satoshi Asami , burton@bsampley.vip.best.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: overclocking In-Reply-To: <199706100458.VAA14947@MindBender.serv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > >However, I suggest you invest some money on SCSI drives before you > >even try overclocking. (Get the 8ms/7,200rpm variants too -- > >10ms/5,400rpm won't do much better.) The bottleneck of your machine > >during compilation should be the disks, not the CPU. > > Satoshi! Shame on you... > > Haven't you learned anything from our friend Joe Greco?? > > You're betting off buying two 2GB 5400RPM drives and striping them > with ccd, than buying one 4GB 7200RPM drive. You *will* get better > performance in almost all benchmarks, and most real-world use. > > I'm surprised, especially after Jordan's recent conversion to this > religion, trumpets blaring loudly and all. > > Trust me. Stripe your drives. It's worth it. A couple of issues: - The best quality drives are 7200rpm only - Striping two 7200rpm drives is even better than striping two 5400rpm drives - Putting /usr/src and /usr/obj on separate drives is probably better than stripping, because you know that accesses will happen in parallel. But again, this is optimization specific to world building, not general-use systems. - Striping is not going to improve seek performance As far as Joe Greco goes, he has been huge proponent of using large numbers of 5400rpm, but that's his opinion. I prefer fewer, but faster drives. I don't believe Joe has ever tried building a system with mostly 7200rpm drives. Anyways, I get a newsfeed from Joe, and provide some charity feeds to some ISPs... Anyways, I won't get anything but 7200rpm drives these days, but I also need all the performance I can get. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net > --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- > NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, > Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... > NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tom From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jun 9 23:24:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA12976 for current-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au (yarrina.connect.com.au [192.189.54.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA12971 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.melb.convergent.com.au (hades.melb.arcsystems.com.au [203.5.26.1]) by yarrina.connect.com.au with SMTP id QAA12641 (8.8.5/IDA-1.6 for ); Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:24:27 +1000 (EST) Received: by hades.melb.convergent.com.au (5.65/AthosClient1.02) id AA02424; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:24:27 +1000 Received: from dinah(192.168.3.2) by hades.convergent.com.au via smap (V1.3) id sma002422; Tue Jun 10 16:24:19 1997 Received: from duchess by dinah.melb.arc (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA12404; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:24:13 +1000 From: davidb@melb.convergent.com.au (David Burren) Received: (from davidb@localhost) by duchess.melb.arcsystems.com.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA02911; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:24:12 +1000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:24:12 +1000 Message-Id: <199706100624.QAA02911@duchess.melb.arcsystems.com.au> To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Updated netboot code (who should I send it to?) Cc: davidb@melb.convergent.com.au Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've got some changes to the FreeBSD netboot code, and would like to know where to send them to in case people would like them in -current. The diffs are against today's (970610) -current tree, so there shouldn't be too much work. A summary of the changes: - Added serial console functions, similar to the "biosboot" bootblocks. If a keyboard is not detected, COM1 will be used, and the RB_SERIAL flag is passed to the loaded kernel. Two #defines affect this: FORCE_SERIAL skips the keyboard probe, and ECHO_BIOS duplicates serial output to the screen for debugging. - Changed "Boot from Network (Y/N) ?" prompting to timeout, with the default behaviour being controlled by a compile-time option (which also affects the response to an Enter at this prompt). - Added COMPLAIN_RFC1048 #define to control the "Unknown RFC1048-tag" messages. My DHCP environment defines lots of default options, and if this program doesn't understand them, it shouldn't care. - The .COM versions now exit back to DOS if the user decides to quit instead of attempting to reboot the machine. This means that the programs can usefully be inserted into an AUTOEXEC.BAT. - CVS revision string from netboot.h is inserted into the image. I needed some way to keep track of different EPROM revisions... I did the work in a 2.1.7 environment, and have just finished merging the changes back into a -current snapshot from today (of course, some of my other changes are now obsolete :-). Once I've done some basic testing of that I can send the patches off, but I need to know where. Thanks __ David Burren davidb@convergent.com.au From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jun 9 23:33:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA13479 for current-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [195.1.171.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA13470 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:33:42 -0700 (PDT) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 12853 invoked by uid 1001); 10 Jun 1997 06:33:27 +0000 (GMT) To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu Cc: imp@village.org, burton@bsampley.vip.best.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: overclocking In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:18:18 -0700 (PDT)" References: <199706100418.VAA00663@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.28.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:33:27 +0200 Message-ID: <12851.865924407@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > * I found about a 250% improvement in speed going from a JAZ drive to a > * 10ms 5400rpm drive. > > I'm not saying that 10ms 5,400rpm SCSI drives are not faster than JAZ, > I'm saying that they are not much better than 11ms 5,200rpm IDE > drives. However, not all 5400 RPM drives are created equal. The IBM DORS-32160 and DCAS-32160/34330 disks are all 5400 RPM 8.5ms. They work very well here, and run nice and cool. I'd recommend them to anybody. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jun 9 23:52:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA14591 for current-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca13-01.ix.netcom.com [204.32.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA14584 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.9) id XAA08063; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:45:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:45:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706100645.XAA08063@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com CC: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net, burton@bsampley.vip.best.com, current@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <10342.865923203@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@time.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: overclocking From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * have, and that sucks. I've already lost the ccd fs at * current.freebsd.org once due to a drive crash, and it sure would * be nice indeed to be able to: a) tell ccd to stop using a drive, * b) tell ccd to migrate from a drive, if enough free space on * other drives exists, and c) adopt a new drive. Not that I am defending ccd or anything, but these are not the stripe driver's job. You either have to go to full parity in ccd or modify the filesystem layer to do the above. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-current Tue Jun 10 00:01:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA15053 for current-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA15048 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsampley.vip.best.com (bsampley.vip.best.com [206.184.160.196]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id XAA29087 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:56:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Burton Sampley To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: overclocking In-Reply-To: <19970610072939.55693@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk X Thanks for the info. I had already found the webpage. I followed the instructions, except removing the cpu. My current configuration is a heat-sink and fan directly on the cpu and a secondary fan from the case blowing air across the other fan, so I don't think heat or lack of cooling is the problem. My MB is rev 3.0 (purchased in March '97 w/ P133). Basically after following the instructions on the webpage, I must have one of those few CPUs that's not able to overclock. I can only get video output with the jumpers set to their original settings. Oh well..... As for the comment on ditching the EIDE drives... I suffer from that common college disease called 'thin wallet disease'. I would love to drop in a Seagate Cheetah (10,000 RPM Ultra Wide SCSI) but I don't have a spare $2000+ lying around gathering dust. I did recently upgrade from a P60 w/ the same EIDE drives. I noticed that make world took a little over half the time w/ the P133, so improving the CPU DOES make a difference. Please don't misunderstand me, I really appreciate all the help I have received since the day I first tried FBSD, I'm just trying to get a little more bang for my limited amount of 'bucks'. Burton On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Ollivier Robert wrote: > According to Burton Sampley: > > recently with the thread on the K6 making world in 1:21 hr. How do you do > > that? I have a P133 on an ASUS P/I P55T2P4 MB w/ 80 meg RAM and 2 > > Which revision of the P55T2P4 ? You'll need 3.0 or later in order to use 75 > & 83 MHz. 75 MHz is documented in the manual but 83 MHz is not. > > JP8 JP9 JP10 = 1-2 2-3 1-2 for 75 MHz > = 1-2 1-2 2-3 for 83 MHz > > All [gory] details on . > > > lethargic EIDE drives (both WD's 1.6 & 3.1). I have currently set the MB > > to the 2.0 & 66 MHz. I tried setting the jumpers for 2.5 and leaving the > > other at 66 MHz, but even BIOS wouldn't come up (I was staring at a blank > > screen). > > Do you have a proper fan/heat sink ? That is _very_ important for > overclocking. Is your P133 recent or not ? Some recent versions of the > pentium refuse to run at a different clock multiplier and the only thing > you can do is to use a faster bus. > > > Does anybody know the correct jumper settings (for J8 - J11) to boost my > > system up to 166 and 83 MHz? Is it worth the risk of send my CPU & MB > > into meltdown? > > Like Satoshi said, buy a NCR SCSI card and some SCSI drive. That'll help a > lot too. With proper cooling you can do wonder with overclocking. > > The dd test gave me 144 MB/s for a P166 (P133 running @ 2x 83 MHz). > -- > Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: There are no limits -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr > FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #18: Sun Jun 8 15:32:28 CEST 1997 > > --- Brought to you by a 100% Micro$oft free system. You too can disinfect your system at http://www.freebsd.org E-Mail: burton@bsampley.vip.best.com Alternate E-Mail: bsampley@haywire.csuhayward.edu Home Page: http://www.best.com/~bsampley (permanently under construction) From owner-freebsd-current Tue Jun 10 00:15:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA15703 for current-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA15696 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with ESMTP id DAA09819; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 03:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with ESMTP id DAA18344; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 03:15:17 -0400 (EDT) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: overclocking In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Jun 1997 23:13:23 PDT." <10342.865923203@time.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 03:15:16 -0400 Message-ID: <18340.865926916@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [ CC: trimmed ] "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote in message ID <10342.865923203@time.cdrom.com>: > Most importantly, I'd like to be able to migrate off and dismount a > drive from a ccd or add one dynamically, automagically resizing the > filesystem on it in either case, before I could ever consider it close > to mission critical safe. Question: How do you plan to dynamically resize a UFS filesystem? I think it'd take a LOT of work, as you'd have to ensure that your filesystem had all the data (i.e. inode blocks, cylinder groups, etc) associated with each file, on the same drive as the file, and that the file would basically have to fit on the drive (this is assuming you don't want to write a new filesystem). What is more reasonable (IMHO) is doing what a LOT of people running news servers do, and run RAID 0+1, and making the case when one of the drives in the stripe fails more resilient. This way, if a drive fails in one of the stripes, CCD will fall over to the other stipe in the mirror and ignore the failed one. If you lose two drives, one from each stripe, in quick succession, you are still screwed. What is means is you didn't replace the first drive and rebuild the other stripe fast enough :) Actually, we need to be able to rebuild a mirror on the fly to, IMHO. Hot swap external chassis allow you to replace a drive quickly, and without much (if any) notice to the OS, especially if it is leaving that chain alone because of failure. Then being forced to unmount the (working) stripe to do the dd over to the one that failed seems stupid. I know for a fact that NT allows you to access a mirror while it's being built, and I don't see any reason why FreeBSD can't do the same :-) > As it stands now, you simply decrease your file system's > fault-tolerance by a factor of the number of drives you have, and > that sucks. I've already lost the ccd fs at current.freebsd.org > once due to a drive crash, and it sure would be nice indeed to be > able to: a) tell ccd to stop using a drive, b) tell ccd to migrate > from a drive, if enough free space on other drives exists, and c) > adopt a new drive. That assumes the kernel has enough state in order to totally migrate off the dead drive. I'd be very surprised if that were true. I'd think the data, if not the metadata, would be sure to be gone. Thats why you have RAID5 (which CCD doesn't do yet) which allows such rebuilds. (BTW, is beast back? You never showed me the audit stuff :-) ) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-current Tue Jun 10 00:28:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA16410 for current-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [195.1.171.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA16400 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:28:45 -0700 (PDT) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 13180 invoked by uid 1001); 10 Jun 1997 07:28:12 +0000 (GMT) To: tom@uniserve.com Cc: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net, asami@cs.berkeley.edu, burton@bsampley.vip.best.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: overclocking In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:21:59 -0700 (PDT)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.28.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:28:12 +0200 Message-ID: <13178.865927692@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > A couple of issues: > > - The best quality drives are 7200rpm only This is taking us a bit away from FreeBSD, but... Please define "quality". It sounds like you're saying that 7200 RPM drives are *always* better quality than 5400 RPM drives, and I don't buy that at all. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no From owner-freebsd-current Tue Jun 10 03:14:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA24716 for current-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 03:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA24706 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 03:14:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (RBI-Z-5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA23938 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:14:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA02207 for freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:17:17 +0200 (MEST) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:17:17 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <199706101017.MAA02207@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-current@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: lpr problems Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Since an upgrade a week or so back I'm having problems with lpr. first the duplicate spool directories error. Is it a warning or does it prevent lpr/lpd from printing at all? Second: lpr: connect: no such file or directory The latter one seems to be weird. I'm rebuilding everything at the moment to exclude any kernel/world mismatch. But maybe someone who knows already could comment? -- Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-current Tue Jun 10 04:52:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA29497 for current-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 04:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA29487 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 04:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (RBI-Z-5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA25885 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:53:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA04175; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:56:20 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <19970610135620.11150@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:56:20 +0200 From: Christoph Kukulies To: Christoph Kukulies Cc: freebsd-current@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: lpr problems References: <199706101017.MAA02207@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.75e In-Reply-To: <199706101017.MAA02207@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de>; from Christoph Kukulies on Tue, Jun 10, 1997 at 12:17:17PM +0200 Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, Jun 10, 1997 at 12:17:17PM +0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > Since an upgrade a week or so back I'm having problems with lpr. > > first the duplicate spool directories error. Is it a warning > or does it prevent lpr/lpd from printing at all? > > Second: > > lpr: connect: no such file or directory > > The latter one seems to be weird. I'm rebuilding everything at the > moment to exclude any kernel/world mismatch. > > But maybe someone who knows already could comment? > > -- > Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de > Rebuilding kernel/world seemed to fix the problem alongside with cleaning up duplicate spool dirs from my /ex/printcap. -- Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-current Tue Jun 10 06:25:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA03810 for current-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (critter.phk.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA03802; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.dk.tfs.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02483; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:22:38 +0200 (CEST) To: "Gary Palmer" cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , current@FreeBSD.ORG From: Poul-Henning Kamp Subject: Re: overclocking In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jun 1997 03:15:16 EDT." <18340.865926916@orion.webspan.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:22:37 +0200 Message-ID: <2481.865948957@critter.dk.tfs.com> Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <18340.865926916@orion.webspan.net>, "Gary Palmer" writes: >[ CC: trimmed ] > >"Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote in message ID ><10342.865923203@time.cdrom.com>: >> Most importantly, I'd like to be able to migrate off and dismount a >> drive from a ccd or add one dynamically, automagically resizing the >> filesystem on it in either case, before I could ever consider it close >> to mission critical safe. > >Question: How do you plan to dynamically resize a UFS filesystem? I >think it'd take a LOT of work, as you'd have to ensure that your >filesystem had all the data (i.e. inode blocks, cylinder groups, etc) >associated with each file, on the same drive as the file, and that the >file would basically have to fit on the drive (this is assuming you >don't want to write a new filesystem). Veritas does this (expanding), the just add cylindergroups. If you added a bit of kernel code to blacklist a cylindergroup for future allocations, shrinking would be in range too. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Power and ignorance is a disgusting cocktail. From owner-freebsd-current Tue Jun 10 06:54:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA05268 for current-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA05263 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id GAA09132; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA17286; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706101352.GAA17286@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami), burton@bsampley.vip.best.com, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: overclocking In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 09 Jun 97 23:13:23 -0700. <10342.865923203@time.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:52:04 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> I'm surprised, especially after Jordan's recent conversion to this >> religion, trumpets blaring loudly and all. >> Trust me. Stripe your drives. It's worth it. >Well, Jordan still has his questions about this new religion - my >faith is not entirely pure. :-) [... crashing problems deleted...] >It still wouldn't stop CCD from being an AID rather than a RAID >solution, but it sure would make the admin's life a hell of a lot >easier in times of failure. That's what they make DAT drives for. :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-current Tue Jun 10 07:00:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA05687 for current-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA05679 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id HAA09257; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA17309; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706101358.GAA17309@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Tom cc: Satoshi Asami , burton@bsampley.vip.best.com, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: overclocking In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 09 Jun 97 23:21:59 -0700. Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:58:14 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> >However, I suggest you invest some money on SCSI drives before you >> >even try overclocking. (Get the 8ms/7,200rpm variants too -- >> >10ms/5,400rpm won't do much better.) The bottleneck of your machine >> >during compilation should be the disks, not the CPU. >> You're betting off buying two 2GB 5400RPM drives and striping them >> with ccd, than buying one 4GB 7200RPM drive. You *will* get better >> performance in almost all benchmarks, and most real-world use. >> Trust me. Stripe your drives. It's worth it. > A couple of issues: >- The best quality drives are 7200rpm only How does quality equate with rotational spin? Actually, 7200RPM drives are much more likely to melt down if you don't cool them well. Which would make 5400RPM drives, on the average, more reliable. >- Striping two 7200rpm drives is even better than striping two 5400rpm >drives This is true. It's also a lot more expensive. >- Putting /usr/src and /usr/obj on separate drives is probably better than >stripping, because you know that accesses will happen in parallel. But >again, this is optimization specific to world building, not general-use >systems. Putting /usr/src and /usr/obj on separate striped ccd partitions would be even faster. :-) >- Striping is not going to improve seek performance Sure it can. Especially with tagged-command-queuing. You have multiple mechanisms seeking simultaneously. That would be faster than trying to move all the data through one set of heads, which can only be at one location at any single point in time. > As far as Joe Greco goes, he has been huge proponent of using large >numbers of 5400rpm, but that's his opinion. I prefer fewer, but faster >drives. I don't believe Joe has ever tried building a system with mostly >7200rpm drives. Anyways, I get a newsfeed from Joe, and provide some >charity feeds to some ISPs... > > Anyways, I won't get anything but 7200rpm drives these days, but I also >need all the performance I can get. I'm glad you can afford all those 7200RPM drives. :-) However, a question you might ponder: are you faster with a few 7200RPM drives in a ccd than you would be if you spent that money on two or three extra 5400RPM drives and made your ccd consist of more drives? I'll bet there's an interesting trade-off there. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-current Tue Jun 10 08:35:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA11266 for current-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA11255 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:35:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA06090; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706101531.IAA06090@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: overclocking In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:22:37 +0200." <2481.865948957@critter.dk.tfs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:31:43 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of Poul-Henning Kamp : > In message <18340.865926916@orion.webspan.net>, "Gary Palmer" writes: > Veritas does this (expanding), the just add cylindergroups. If you > added a bit of kernel code to blacklist a cylindergroup for future > allocations, shrinking would be in range too. Is Veritas file system available for FreeBSD? Amancio From owner-freebsd-current Tue Jun 10 09:01:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA12942 for current-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (critter.phk.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12934 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.dk.tfs.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02708; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:57:21 +0200 (CEST) To: Amancio Hasty cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , current@FreeBSD.ORG From: Poul-Henning Kamp Subject: Re: overclocking In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:31:43 PDT." <199706101531.IAA06090@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:57:21 +0200 Message-ID: <2706.865958241@critter.dk.tfs.com> Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199706101531.IAA06090@rah.star-gate.com>, Amancio Hasty writes: >>From The Desk Of Poul-Henning Kamp : >> In message <18340.865926916@orion.webspan.net>, "Gary Palmer" writes: >> Veritas does this (expanding), the just add cylindergroups. If you >> added a bit of kernel code to blacklist a cylindergroup for future >> allocations, shrinking would be in range too. > >Is Veritas file system available for FreeBSD? Veritas does it for UFS too. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Power and ignorance is a disgusting cocktail. From owner-freebsd-current Tue Jun 10 09:58:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA16354 for current-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.uniserve.com (shell.uniserve.com [204.244.210.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16349 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:58:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (tom@localhost) by shell.uniserve.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA23943; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:56:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shell.uniserve.com: tom owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:56:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: Satoshi Asami , burton@bsampley.vip.best.com, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: overclocking In-Reply-To: <199706101358.GAA17309@MindBender.serv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: Another point, I forgot to mention: Satoshi has experience with very large drive arrays. So what he says is based on experience. Not many have built and used 20GB+ arrays under FreeBSD. > > A couple of issues: > >- The best quality drives are 7200rpm only > > How does quality equate with rotational spin? Actually, 7200RPM > drives are much more likely to melt down if you don't cool them well. > Which would make 5400RPM drives, on the average, more reliable. Nothing. But if you buy a new high quality drive, it will be 7200rpm. I don't even know where I would get a 5400rpm drive from. Perhaps Seagate is still making the Hawk series, but I was never impressed with the Hawk quality. New 7200rpm drives run much cooler than ever, and now have mtbf's much longer than most 5400rpm drives. > >- Striping two 7200rpm drives is even better than striping two 5400rpm > >drives > > This is true. It's also a lot more expensive. > > >- Putting /usr/src and /usr/obj on separate drives is probably better than > >stripping, because you know that accesses will happen in parallel. But > >again, this is optimization specific to world building, not general-use > >systems. > > Putting /usr/src and /usr/obj on separate striped ccd partitions would > be even faster. :-) Sure, but now you are up to at least 4 drives too. > >- Striping is not going to improve seek performance > > Sure it can. Especially with tagged-command-queuing. You have > multiple mechanisms seeking simultaneously. That would be faster than > trying to move all the data through one set of heads, which can only > be at one location at any single point in time. Yes, but it not going to improve the time for a single seek. The multiple mechanisms can only seek in parallel, if there is multiple things to do, but many types of tasks have to be run in serial, because each step depends on the previous. For example, a compiler. > > As far as Joe Greco goes, he has been huge proponent of using large > >numbers of 5400rpm, but that's his opinion. I prefer fewer, but faster > >drives. I don't believe Joe has ever tried building a system with mostly > >7200rpm drives. Anyways, I get a newsfeed from Joe, and provide some > >charity feeds to some ISPs... > > > > Anyways, I won't get anything but 7200rpm drives these days, but I also > >need all the performance I can get. > > I'm glad you can afford all those 7200RPM drives. :-) I'm glad you can afford all those 5400rpm drives. But considering the reliability of the older 5400rpm drives, and the space required to hold double the number of drives, it just isn't worth it. Plus, more drives is more chance of failure. > However, a question you might ponder: are you faster with a few > 7200RPM drives in a ccd than you would be if you spent that money on > two or three extra 5400RPM drives and made your ccd consist of more > drives? You also have to look at housing and power costs. I build systems for machine room environments. Space is very costly. > I'll bet there's an interesting trade-off there. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net > --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- > NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, > Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... > NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tom From owner-freebsd-current Tue Jun 10 11:29:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22223 for current-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:29:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA22209; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA02815; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:23:52 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199706101823.LAA02815@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: overclocking To: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG (Gary Palmer) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:23:52 -0700 (MST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <18340.865926916@orion.webspan.net> from "Gary Palmer" at Jun 10, 97 03:15:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Most importantly, I'd like to be able to migrate off and dismount a > > drive from a ccd or add one dynamically, automagically resizing the > > filesystem on it in either case, before I could ever consider it close > > to mission critical safe. > > Question: How do you plan to dynamically resize a UFS filesystem? I > think it'd take a LOT of work, as you'd have to ensure that your > filesystem had all the data (i.e. inode blocks, cylinder groups, etc) > associated with each file, on the same drive as the file, and that the > file would basically have to fit on the drive (this is assuming you > don't want to write a new filesystem). You write a fragger and a defragger, and frag the heck out of it when shrinking (pack it at the front of the disk) and "defrag" it back to a wide dispersion after setting the new size. You can also add cylinder groups, but you need to "defrag" after that as well to get a uniform hash dispersion. It's relatively brain-damaged. If you plan on doing this, it's better to define a "PP" and "LP" aware FS instead of one that relies on hashing over the entire space. This is a complex task. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Tue Jun 10 11:32:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22462 for current-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA22450 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA02827; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:26:11 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199706101826.LAA02827@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: overclocking To: phk@dk.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:26:11 -0700 (MST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, phk@dk.tfs.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <2706.865958241@critter.dk.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Jun 10, 97 05:57:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> In message <18340.865926916@orion.webspan.net>, "Gary Palmer" writes: > >> Veritas does this (expanding), the just add cylindergroups. If you > >> added a bit of kernel code to blacklist a cylindergroup for future > >> allocations, shrinking would be in range too. > > > >Is Veritas file system available for FreeBSD? > > > Veritas does it for UFS too. Amancio: Poul is referring to the volume manager product from the company Veritas, not VXFS (the Veritas eXtended File System). See my other post regarding hash issues with growing/shrinking UFS. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Tue Jun 10 11:45:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23385 for current-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23329; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:45:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA00476; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:43:53 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199706101843.NAA00476@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: rfork() man page wrong? In-Reply-To: <3395AF81.4487EB71@whistle.com> from Julian Elischer at "Jun 4, 97 11:10:09 am" To: julian@whistle.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:43:53 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@freebsd.org, dyson@freebsd.org Reply-To: dyson@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've checked the man page and the sources.. > > it appears to me that the following section of the man page > is wrong.. > john, if you are reading, can you check if this is what > you understand? > I am reading now (sorry for the delay :-)). > > ------- > RFMEM If set, the kernel will force sharing of the entire ad- > dress space. The child will then inherit all the shared > segments the parent process owns. Other segment types > will be unaffected. Subsequent forks by the parent will > then propagate the shared data and bss between children. > The stack segment is always split. May be set only with > RFPROC. > -------- > The docs for RFMEM are wrong. The kernel will cause total address space sharing, which makes the threads fairly light weight. I am about to make some changes for SMP/kernel based threads to allow for per-cpu data though (but that is in kernel mode only where you see the difference.) You have to manage the stack issues, and I have some example and working code if you want it. (I am using it, and have delivered it for others to use.) I plan to refine the code before committing it, but I'll give you (or anyone) the code if anyone wants it. John From owner-freebsd-current Tue Jun 10 11:47:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23505 for current-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23499 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07255; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706101846.LAA07255@rah.star-gate.com> To: Terry Lambert cc: phk@dk.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp), current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: overclocking In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:26:11 PDT." <199706101826.LAA02827@phaeton.artisoft.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:46:25 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tnks Terry! So does anyone know how much is VXFS for FreeBSD (assuming that is available) ? Tnks, Amancio >From The Desk Of Terry Lambert : > > >> In message <18340.865926916@orion.webspan.net>, "Gary Palmer" writes: > > >> Veritas does this (expanding), the just add cylindergroups. If you > > >> added a bit of kernel code to blacklist a cylindergroup for future > > >> allocations, shrinking would be in range too. > > > > > >Is Veritas file system available for FreeBSD? > > > > > > Veritas does it for UFS too. > > Amancio: Poul is referring to the volume manager product from the > company Veritas, not VXFS (the Veritas eXtended File System). > > See my other post regarding hash issues with growing/shrinking UFS. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Tue Jun 10 12:52:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA27865 for current-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA27824 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA08055 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:52:12 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with UUCP id VAA19848 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:51:47 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.5/keltia-uucp-2.9) id VAA09632; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:33:32 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970610213332.23813@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:33:32 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: overclocking References: <19970610072939.55693@keltia.freenix.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.67 In-Reply-To: ; from Burton Sampley on Mon, Jun 09, 1997 at 11:56:55PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#3359 AMD-K6 MMX @ 208 MHz Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Burton Sampley: > P133). Basically after following the instructions on the webpage, I must > have one of those few CPUs that's not able to overclock. I can only get > video output with the jumpers set to their original settings. Oh > well..... It should not really see that it is running at 2x 83 MHz instead of 2x 66 MHz, so you should be able to run at at least at 2x 83 MHz. Which is much better of course than 2.5x 66 MHz because the whole system is faster. > I suffer from that common college disease called 'thin wallet disease'. I > would love to drop in a Seagate Cheetah (10,000 RPM Ultra Wide SCSI) but I I'd stay away from this kind of drive for the moment, too new and probaly hotter than 7200 rpm. A NCR based card is really cheap now and older drives at 5400 rpm are cheaper too. Anyway, I understand your problem WRT money :-) My own drives are good 5400 rpm drives, one IBM DORS 32160 and a Conner CFP1080S. Giving each drive a controller helps too. You can buy 2x NCR for much less than one Adaptec :-) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: There are no limits -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #18: Sun Jun 8 15:32:28 CEST 1997 From owner-freebsd-current Tue Jun 10 13:44:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01393 for current-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from troll.uunet.ca (troll.uunet.ca [142.77.1.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01388 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by troll.uunet.ca with SMTP id <21003-20154>; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:44:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:44:19 -0400 From: Cat Okita To: Ollivier Robert cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: overclocking In-Reply-To: <19970610213332.23813@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Ollivier Robert wrote: > My own drives are good 5400 rpm drives, one IBM DORS 32160 and a Conner > CFP1080S. Giving each drive a controller helps too. You can buy 2x NCR for > much less than one Adaptec :-) ...and in my experience, you replace the two NCR's far more often than the one Adaptec... YMMV Cat Okita Systems Administrator, UUNET Canada From owner-freebsd-current Tue Jun 10 15:14:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA07188 for current-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.uniserve.com (shell.uniserve.com [204.244.210.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07182 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:14:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (tom@localhost) by shell.uniserve.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA25027; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:13:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shell.uniserve.com: tom owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:13:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Cat Okita cc: Ollivier Robert , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: overclocking In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Cat Okita wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Ollivier Robert wrote: > > My own drives are good 5400 rpm drives, one IBM DORS 32160 and a Conner > > CFP1080S. Giving each drive a controller helps too. You can buy 2x NCR for > > much less than one Adaptec :-) > > ...and in my experience, you replace the two NCR's far more often than the > one Adaptec... > > YMMV > > Cat Okita > Systems Administrator, UUNET Canada I've never had a Adaptec controller die, so I'd have to agree with that. I'm still using an Adaptec 1742 on my personal system. The 1742 is still relatively fast by today's standards, even though it about 4 years old. Tom Systems Support Uniserve From owner-freebsd-current Tue Jun 10 18:55:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA20728 for current-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from watcher.isl.net (ppp-86.isl.net [199.3.25.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20719 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ortmann@localhost) by watcher.isl.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA09812; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:52:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Daniel Ortmann Message-Id: <199706110152.UAA09812@watcher.isl.net> Subject: Re: overclocking To: sthaug@nethelp.no Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:52:21 -0500 (CDT) Cc: tom@uniserve.com, michaelv@MindBender.serv.net, asami@cs.berkeley.edu, burton@bsampley.vip.best.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <13178.865927692@verdi.nethelp.no> from "sthaug@nethelp.no" at "Jun 10, 97 09:28:12 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > This is taking us a bit away from FreeBSD, but... > > Please define "quality". It sounds like you're saying that 7200 RPM > drives are *always* better quality than 5400 RPM drives, and I don't > buy that at all. Quality means that, according to the customer: 1) It performs according to specifications. 2) The specifications are what the customer wants. (Too many people forget #2.) -- Daniel Ortmann 507.288.7732 (h) ortmann@isl.net 2414 30 av NW, #D 507.253.6795 (w) ortmann@vnet.ibm.com Rochester, MN 55901 "PERL: The Swiss Army Chainsaw" From owner-freebsd-current Tue Jun 10 21:23:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA28424 for current-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user1.inficad.com (straka@user1.inficad.com [207.19.74.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA28410 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (straka@localhost) by user1.inficad.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA13814; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:29:13 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:29:13 -0700 (MST) From: Richard Straka To: Bruce Evans cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sio driver performance In-Reply-To: <199706070431.OAA28487@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >I have noticed that the communications work great until I interrupt the > >process on the box which is tranmitting the data. At that point, the box > >which was receiving suddenly elevates to 100% CPU usage (mostly system) as > >if in a polling loop. When I attempt to reestablish the process which is > > Hangup on the tranmitter breaks the connection. There is no way (*) to > get the same connection back - reads on the open fd will return -1/EIO > forever. (Reads should return 0, but there is a minor bug that prevents > this in some cases. POSIX allows either EOF (0) or -1/EIO.) > > You need to clear HUPCL on the transmitter or set CLOCAL on the receiver > to avoid seeing the hangup. Using CLOCAL is often required to avoid > unwanted POSIX connection semantics. Then you have to monitor the carrier > status directly by polling it if you care about it. > > (*) actually there is a nonstandard way involving toggling CLOCAL. Don't > use it. > Setting CLOCAL on the receiver has worked like a charm. Thanks for the help and thanks to everyone else who responded to my question. Richard Straka straka@inficad.com From owner-freebsd-current Tue Jun 10 23:47:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA05589 for current-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA05576 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.5/8.7.3) id IAA00509; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:47:19 +0200 (MEST) From: Søren Schmidt Message-Id: <199706110647.IAA00509@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: Worldstone for K6/208 In-Reply-To: <19970608182250.04266@keltia.freenix.fr> from Ollivier Robert at "Jun 8, 97 06:22:50 pm" To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:47:19 +0200 (MEST) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Ollivier Robert who wrote: > K6-166 running @ 208 MHz, 64 MB RAM, 2x NCR 810 with a disk on each > > /dev/sd0g 496367 296588 160070 65% /src (/usr/src) > /dev/sd12g 279647 150037 107239 58% /y (/usr/obj) > > /usr/obj empty at the beginning and mounted "async,noatime". > > Make world with -DNOCLEAN -DNOPROFILE. > > 4916.49 real 2790.79 user 658.80 sys > > 1:22, not too bad :-) I just did the same on -current as of 970610 on my P6-200 running @ 233 Mhz, 64 MB RAM 2 x Maxtor DiamondMax (84000A6) (yes EIDE drives on seperate channels) /dev/wd0g 3351030 978628 2104320 32% /u1 (/usr/src) /dev/wd2g 3351030 465663 2617285 15% /u2 (/usr/obj) /usr/obj empty, both mounted "async" Make world with -m486 -O2 -pipe, NOCLEAN, NOPROFILE: 3017.74u 561.49s 1:14:11.13 1.14, not too bad either :) :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-current Tue Jun 10 23:49:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA05793 for current-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [195.1.171.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA05784 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:48:58 -0700 (PDT) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 20073 invoked by uid 1001); 11 Jun 1997 06:48:45 +0000 (GMT) To: cat@uunet.ca Cc: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: overclocking In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:44:19 -0400" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.28.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:48:45 +0200 Message-ID: <20071.866011725@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > My own drives are good 5400 rpm drives, one IBM DORS 32160 and a Conner > > CFP1080S. Giving each drive a controller helps too. You can buy 2x NCR for > > much less than one Adaptec :-) > > ...and in my experience, you replace the two NCR's far more often than the > one Adaptec... I guess experiences vary. I've never had a problem with my NCR controllers (ASUS PCI-SC200), and I have three of them. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no From owner-freebsd-current Wed Jun 11 02:32:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA12510 for current-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 02:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA12505 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 02:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.5/CET-v2.1) with SMTP id JAA03103; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:31:57 GMT Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:31:56 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: Amancio Hasty cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: vxfs (was Re: overclocking) In-Reply-To: <199706101846.LAA07255@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Tnks Terry! > > So does anyone know how much is VXFS for FreeBSD (assuming that is > available) ? > It's not available for *BSD. The reasons cited were ... 1) It's a large porting task, fs/vnode semantics vary quite a bit between Unix implementations. 2) They want a larger market or someone to fund the development. Regards, Mike Hancock From owner-freebsd-current Wed Jun 11 09:16:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02375 for current-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:16:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (critter.phk.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02370 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.dk.tfs.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02147; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:32:49 +0200 (CEST) To: davidb@melb.convergent.com.au (David Burren) cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: Poul-Henning Kamp Subject: Re: Updated netboot code (who should I send it to?) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:24:12 +1000." <199706100624.QAA02911@duchess.melb.arcsystems.com.au> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:32:49 +0200 Message-ID: <2145.866043169@critter.dk.tfs.com> Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I guess the best thing is to send a PR (send-pr) with the patch. I'll look at it as soon as I can, this is unlikely to be fast, but your patch will not be lost that way, and other people can get to it too. Poul-Henning In message <199706100624.QAA02911@duchess.melb.arcsystems.com.au>, David Burren writes: >I've got some changes to the FreeBSD netboot code, and would like to >know where to send them to in case people would like them in -current. > >The diffs are against today's (970610) -current tree, so there >shouldn't be too much work. > >A summary of the changes: > >- Added serial console functions, similar to the "biosboot" bootblocks. > If a keyboard is not detected, COM1 will be used, and the RB_SERIAL > flag is passed to the loaded kernel. > Two #defines affect this: FORCE_SERIAL skips the keyboard probe, > and ECHO_BIOS duplicates serial output to the screen for debugging. > >- Changed "Boot from Network (Y/N) ?" prompting to timeout, with > the default behaviour being controlled by a compile-time option > (which also affects the response to an Enter at this prompt). > >- Added COMPLAIN_RFC1048 #define to control the "Unknown RFC1048-tag" > messages. My DHCP environment defines lots of default options, and > if this program doesn't understand them, it shouldn't care. > >- The .COM versions now exit back to DOS if the user decides to quit > instead of attempting to reboot the machine. This means that the > programs can usefully be inserted into an AUTOEXEC.BAT. > >- CVS revision string from netboot.h is inserted into the image. > I needed some way to keep track of different EPROM revisions... > >I did the work in a 2.1.7 environment, and have just finished merging >the changes back into a -current snapshot from today (of course, some >of my other changes are now obsolete :-). Once I've done some basic >testing of that I can send the patches off, but I need to know where. > >Thanks >__ >David Burren >davidb@convergent.com.au -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Power and ignorance is a disgusting cocktail. From owner-freebsd-current Wed Jun 11 11:54:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA09936 for current-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:54:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA09926 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA06429; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:47:57 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199706111847.LAA06429@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: vxfs (was Re: overclocking) To: michaelh@cet.co.jp (Michael Hancock) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:47:57 -0700 (MST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Michael Hancock" at Jun 11, 97 06:31:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [ ... VXFS ... ] > It's not available for *BSD. The reasons cited were ... > > 1) It's a large porting task, fs/vnode semantics vary quite a bit > between Unix implementations. Actually, it would not be a difficult port (I worked on the VXFS code in UnixWare a bit; I'm fairly familiar with it). The most difficult task would be the Vm/Cache issues, mostly because the new VM system is poorly documented (good code; bad docs). > 2) They want a larger market or someone to fund the development. This is more believable. ;-). Regards, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Wed Jun 11 12:59:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA14087 for current-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14066 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA09630; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:57:49 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199706111957.OAA09630@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: vxfs (was Re: overclocking) In-Reply-To: <199706111847.LAA06429@phaeton.artisoft.com> from Terry Lambert at "Jun 11, 97 11:47:57 am" To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:57:49 -0500 (EST) Cc: michaelh@cet.co.jp, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > [ ... VXFS ... ] > > > It's not available for *BSD. The reasons cited were ... > > > > 1) It's a large porting task, fs/vnode semantics vary quite a bit > > between Unix implementations. > > Actually, it would not be a difficult port (I worked on the VXFS > code in UnixWare a bit; I'm fairly familiar with it). The most > difficult task would be the Vm/Cache issues, mostly because the > new VM system is poorly documented (good code; bad docs). > I disagree (here is my correction): new VM system is poorly documented (good code; NO docs). :-(. John From owner-freebsd-current Wed Jun 11 15:08:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20117 for current-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA20112 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA07223; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:01:26 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199706112201.PAA07223@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: vxfs (was Re: overclocking) To: toor@dyson.iquest.net (John S. Dyson) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:01:26 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, michaelh@cet.co.jp, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199706111957.OAA09630@dyson.iquest.net> from "John S. Dyson" at Jun 11, 97 02:57:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Actually, it would not be a difficult port (I worked on the VXFS > > code in UnixWare a bit; I'm fairly familiar with it). The most > > difficult task would be the Vm/Cache issues, mostly because the > > new VM system is poorly documented (good code; bad docs). > > I disagree (here is my correction): > > new VM system is poorly documented (good code; NO docs). > > :-(. I'd fix this for you, if you'd avoid changing it for long enough, and promised to keep the doc up afterwards; of course, if you did that, you'd probably have enough free time that you could doc it yourself faster than I could. Probably by a wide margin, in fact, since I would have to puzzle out the meaning of the changes since the last time I was pounding away down there... ;-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Thu Jun 12 02:58:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA19993 for current-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 02:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fgate.flevel.co.uk (root@fgate.flevel.co.uk [194.6.101.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA19985 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 02:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (trefor@localhost) by fgate.flevel.co.uk (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA23273 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:58:57 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:58:57 +0100 (BST) From: "Trefor S." To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Plug and Play? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I was just wonder, does -current support plug and play yet? Thanks. Trefor S. From owner-freebsd-current Thu Jun 12 18:57:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03292 for current-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03262 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA23265; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:26:19 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199706130156.LAA23265@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Plug and Play? In-Reply-To: from "Trefor S." at "Jun 12, 97 10:58:57 am" To: trefor@flevel.co.uk (Trefor S.) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:26:19 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Trefor S. stands accused of saying: > > I was just wonder, does -current support plug and play yet? Not as yet, no. Post-exams, I have a Plan which involves stealing more of the nice NetBSD peoples' code, as they have ISA PnP working (apparently) quite nicely indeed. There are also some issues relating to integration with Doug R's new driver framework that aren't entirely clear. Only one verdammte exam to go. > Trefor S. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-current Thu Jun 12 20:30:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA07161 for current-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA07156 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA07796; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706130330.UAA07796@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: "Trefor S." cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Plug and Play? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:58:57 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:30:16 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If it is a PCI device then yes. We also have code to program Plug and Play devices . Suja Patel put it FreeBSD-ISA_PnP_June8.tar.gz which one can use to init PnP devices . Some PnP devices like the GUS PnP require further initialization so just because a device is Plug and Play compliant does not necessarily mean that the PnP algorithm will be able to fully intialize the device. Cheers, Amancio >From The Desk Of "Trefor S." : > > I was just wonder, does -current support plug and play yet? > > Thanks. > > Trefor S. > > From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 13 18:21:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA01568 for current-outgoing; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 18:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01563 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 18:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA11120 for current@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:15:44 +1000 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:15:44 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199706140115.LAA11120@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: current@freebsd.org Subject: gdb-remote stepping of spls broken by non-inline spls Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk gdb-remote has strange problems with single stepping into splx(). This is probably caused by spl*() changing from inline functions to ordinary ones. gdb apparently uses breakpoints for skipping function prologues, but spltty() and splx() are used by the low level console i/o routines, so putting a breakpoint in them is fatal. spl*() are supposed to be compiled with -fomit-frame-pointer to avoid having prologues for efficiency, but I broke that when I fixed the profiling case (substition on make variables is more irregular than I thought). Compiling with -fomit-frame-pointer seems to have fixed the single stepping problems. Putting a breakpoint in splx() is still fatal. The symptom is that the remote keeps sending '$' and gdb is hard to kill. I'm surprised that it doesn't cause recursive breakpoint traps. There is no problem in ddb, since the debugger removes breakpoints before doing i/o. Remote debuggers should avoid the problem in a similar way, by putting the remote in charge of setting and removing breakpoints on debugger exit and entry. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 14 13:03:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA06799 for current-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebsd.scds.com (scds.ziplink.net [206.15.128.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06790 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jseger@localhost) by freebsd.scds.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA12322 for current@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 15:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 15:12:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Justin M. Seger" Message-Id: <199706141912.PAA12322@freebsd.scds.com> To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Activehome X10 Interface Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I read at some point that there is support built into FreeBSD for using the X10 TW523 (or something like that) powerline controller. Is there any support for the activehome interface? If not I'd be willing to give it a shot, From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 14 14:07:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA08791 for current-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whizzo.TransSys.COM (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08786 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.TransSys.COM (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA01068; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706142106.RAA01068@whizzo.TransSys.COM> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0delta 6/3/97 To: "Justin M. Seger" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: Activehome X10 Interface References: <199706141912.PAA12322@freebsd.scds.com> In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Jun 1997 15:12:44 EDT." <199706141912.PAA12322@freebsd.scds.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:06:35 -0400 Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You need need any special kernel support for the CM11 interface; you just talk to it at 4800 bps. The CM11 is the two-way X10 computer interface with the easy-to-use serial interface. You can dig around and find the protocol description for it. Alternatively, there's a daemon which Dan Lanciani wrote, originally for the Lynx X10 interface and subsequently adapted for the CM11. Essentially, it runs in the background talking to the CM11 with it's mutant "protocol". Your applications each open a TCP connection to the the daemon, and send X10 commands to it ("A1 A ON") to cause X10 commands to be sent. It will also echo any X10 commands it hears to each of the applications which have a connection open to it. I've made some minor changes to it. You can find it on my web server as You'll need to know how X10 power line control stuff works to effectively be able to use this, but you shouldn't have much of a problem tracking that down. louie From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 14 14:13:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA09022 for current-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA09017 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11803; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 15:13:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199706142113.PAA11803@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: "Justin M. Seger" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Activehome X10 Interface In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Jun 1997 15:12:44 EDT." <199706141912.PAA12322@freebsd.scds.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 15:13:39 -0600 Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > Hello, I read at some point that there is support built into FreeBSD for using > the X10 TW523 (or something like that) powerline controller. Is there any > support for the activehome interface? If not I'd be willing to give it a shot, The tw523 driver bit-fiddles at a very low level, hence its existance as a /dev/ thingy. The activehome hardware expects to be connected to a standard serial port, and thus would be more of a userland issue. You might want to take a look at: http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/HomeAuto/X10.html http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/HomeAuto/Rc.html These pages describe userland code that is currently ported to use the /dev/x10 (ie tw523) driver, as well as several serial port based devices. Porting them to use the activehome should be trivial. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 14 15:05:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11631 for current-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 15:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whizzo.TransSys.COM (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11626 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 15:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.TransSys.COM (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA01751; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 18:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706142205.SAA01751@whizzo.TransSys.COM> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0delta 6/3/97 cc: "Justin M. Seger" , current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: Activehome X10 Interface References: <199706141912.PAA12322@freebsd.scds.com> <199706142106.RAA01068@whizzo.TransSys.COM> In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:06:35 EDT." <199706142106.RAA01068@whizzo.TransSys.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 18:05:21 -0400 Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > You need need any special kernel support for the CM11 interface; you just ^^^ DON'T > talk to it at 4800 bps. The CM11 is the two-way X10 computer interface > with the easy-to-use serial interface. Sigh. I will learn to type one of these days. My fingers just can't seem to keep up! louie From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 14 17:11:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA16798 for current-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (hq.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA16782 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.8.3/8.6.5) id GAA20974 for current@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 06:14:28 +0600 (ESD) From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199706150014.GAA20974@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: CTM src-cur.2896 is missing To: current@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 06:14:28 +0600 (ESD) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! The src-cur.2896.gz file is missing on ftp.freebsd.org. -SB From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 14 17:47:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA17999 for current-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net ([208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17993 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [208.2.87.4] (cod.dataplex.net [208.2.87.4]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA16905; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:43:57 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: rkw@shrimp.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199706150014.GAA20974@hq.icb.chel.su> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:42:56 -0500 To: "Serge A. Babkin" From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: CTM src-cur.2896 is missing Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 7:14 PM -0500 6/14/97, Serge A. Babkin wrote: >Hi! > >The src-cur.2896.gz file is missing on ftp.freebsd.org. So look on ftp.uni-trier.de or wait until Jordan finishes the rebuilding process. We have a very poor connection between ftp.freebsd.org and my machine. Since there are quite a few LARGE (30M) files that have to get transferred, the process is taking a while. If you are regularly using the ctm updates, I recommend that you subscribe to the list and have them delivered directly to you. From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 14 18:19:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA18699 for current-outgoing; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 18:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (hq.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA18687 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 18:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.8.3/8.6.5) id HAA04503; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 07:21:03 +0600 (ESD) From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199706150121.HAA04503@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Re: CTM src-cur.2896 is missing To: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 07:21:02 +0600 (ESD) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Richard Wackerbarth" at Jun 14, 97 07:42:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > At 7:14 PM -0500 6/14/97, Serge A. Babkin wrote: > >Hi! > > > >The src-cur.2896.gz file is missing on ftp.freebsd.org. > > So look on ftp.uni-trier.de or wait until Jordan finishes > the rebuilding process. We have a very poor connection > between ftp.freebsd.org and my machine. Since there are > quite a few LARGE (30M) files that have to get transferred, > the process is taking a while. > > If you are regularly using the ctm updates, I recommend that you > subscribe to the list and have them delivered directly to you. Indeed I'm subscribed to that list and tried to seek at ftp because I did not received this file by mail. -SB