From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Nov 16 02:55:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA10783 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 02:55:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from po8.andrew.cmu.edu (PO8.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA10774; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 02:54:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tk2x+@andrew.cmu.edu) Received: (from postman@localhost) by po8.andrew.cmu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.2) id FAA22798; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 05:54:49 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 05:54:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix21.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 05:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix21.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 05:54:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.14.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix21.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4x.55 via MS.5.6.unix21.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4_51; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 05:54:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4oPh3em00YUx0250Q0@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 05:54:34 -0500 (EST) From: Timothy J Kniveton To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: PNP/Sound Help? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi. I am running an ASUS TX97-XE mainboard with an onboard Creative Labs Vibra-16X (Soundblaster 16) chip. It is a PNP beast, which is my difficulty in using it with FreeBSD. I have been trying to find a good source of information on configuring PNP-only devices with FreeBSD (maybe there is no such thing). It seems that occasionally, the settings of the card will change. I can get some of the devices recognized, but some, especially the 16-bit DSP, do not work. Can someone please recommend the best way to get this thing to work? Direct E-mail is fine. -tim From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Nov 16 04:39:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA15756 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 04:39:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id EAA15733; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 04:39:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id MAA14765; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:31:25 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199711161131.MAA14765@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: PNP/Sound Help? To: tim@CMU.EDU (Timothy J Kniveton) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:31:24 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4oPh3em00YUx0250Q0@andrew.cmu.edu> from "Timothy J Kniveton" at Nov 16, 97 05:54:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi. I am running an ASUS TX97-XE mainboard with an onboard Creative > Labs Vibra-16X (Soundblaster 16) chip. It is a PNP beast, which is my > difficulty in using it with FreeBSD. > > I have been trying to find a good source of information on configuring > PNP-only devices with FreeBSD (maybe there is no such thing). It there is pnp support in -current, and there is a simple add-on package for 2.2.X. This together with a replacement audio driver for FreeBSD is available at http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/FreeBSD.html (or on the 2.2.5 CD under xperimnt/luigi-something) Cheers Luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Nov 16 07:49:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA27161 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 07:49:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from as5200-port-254.no.neosoft.com (as5200-port-254.no.neosoft.com [206.27.167.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA27156; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 07:49:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from conrads@as5200-port-254.no.neosoft.com) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by as5200-port-254.no.neosoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id JAA01446; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 09:49:41 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2-beta-102697 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4oPh3em00YUx0250Q0@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 09:49:41 -0000 (GMT) Reply-To: Conrad Sabatier Organization: NeoSoft, Inc. From: Conrad Sabatier To: Timothy J Kniveton Subject: Re: PNP/Sound Help? Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 16-Nov-97 Timothy J Kniveton wrote: > Hi. I am running an ASUS TX97-XE mainboard with an onboard Creative > Labs Vibra-16X (Soundblaster 16) chip. It is a PNP beast, which is my > difficulty in using it with FreeBSD. > > I have been trying to find a good source of information on configuring > PNP-only devices with FreeBSD (maybe there is no such thing). It > seems that occasionally, the settings of the card will change. I can > get some of the devices recognized, but some, especially the 16-bit > DSP, do not work. > > Can someone please recommend the best way to get this thing to work? > Direct E-mail is fine. Try Luigi's PnP patches. I had the same problem with my AWE 64 (PnP). What finally worked for me was using the "os" switch in the boot config (e.g., (pnp 2 0 os enable ...) to override my funky BIOS and configure the card to the correct settings. -- Conrad Sabatier http://www.neosoft.com/~conrads And the Deep Thought of the Day (tm) is: There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics. -- Disraeli From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Nov 16 19:02:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA05426 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:02:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from po9.andrew.cmu.edu (PO9.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA05400 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:02:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tk2x+@andrew.cmu.edu) Received: (from postman@localhost) by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.2) id WAA16043 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:02:38 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:02:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix21.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:01:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix21.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:01:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.14.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix21.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4x.55 via MS.5.6.unix21.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4_51; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:01:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4oPvCRC00YUx0kJUA0@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:01:49 -0500 (EST) From: Timothy J Kniveton To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: HD Spin-down Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone have comments about a good way to get the HD to spin down into power saving mode? I enabled it in my BIOS, but found that the system's periodic syncs caused this to not work. So then I changed kern.update to be some ridiculously high value around 10 hours. Today I found that this was a _really_ bad idea, when I was toying with my sound drivers and the system froze. I lost a lot of info; luckily most of it was easily replaceable. So can anyone tell me the "right" way to do this? thanks. -tim From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Nov 17 05:47:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA11928 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 05:47:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from DonaldBurr.dyn.ml.org (206-18-115-39.la.inreach.net [206.18.115.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA11911 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 05:47:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dburr@POBoxes.com) Received: from DonaldBurr.DonaldBurr.dyn.ml.org (DonaldBurr.DonaldBurr.dyn.ml.org [192.160.60.1]) by DonaldBurr.dyn.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA02395; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 05:48:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dburr@POBoxes.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4oPvCRC00YUx0kJUA0@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 05:46:41 -0800 (PST) Organization: Starfleet Command From: Donald Burr To: Timothy J Kniveton Subject: RE: HD Spin-down Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- My secret spy satellite informs me that on 17-Nov-97, Timothy J Kniveton wrote: >Does anyone have comments about a good way to get the HD to spin down >into power saving mode? I enabled it in my BIOS, but found that the >system's periodic syncs caused this to not work. So then I changed >kern.update to be some ridiculously high value around 10 hours. > >Today I found that this was a _really_ bad idea, when I was toying >with my sound drivers and the system froze. I lost a lot of info; >luckily most of it was easily replaceable. > >So can anyone tell me the "right" way to do this? thanks. I recently reserached this because of a similar problem: I wanted my notebook computer's HD to not keep spinning up (so that the APM power management stuff could actually do some good). Unfortunately I found there's really no good way of doing this except, as you say, upping the kernel update thingie. So I did that, and I trained myself to type "sync;sync;sync" at the shell prompt every x minutes (or whenver I did something major like write my next assignment for c++ class). - --- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNHBLQ/jpixuAwagxAQGtOwP/Ulo1IxNQBBjHaWjF7MG1FOTjsrRYUcOz fuR3YTxz4q/JE+SXL1cV7rdJXXzLMbEpdgiSno3SQxzj106jFjPpH/G3lasdhW56 UH+3jWt40+kFZOUdeVct4MfpF2R7vtlsmCI4RGjyaGNVOuvhWRz8yevrtyWUZ85W gZIJILLIfMA= =rwfu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 20 07:39:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA12137 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 07:39:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from rtp.tfd.com (rtp.tfd.com [198.79.53.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA12120 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 07:38:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kent@tfd.com) Received: (from kent@localhost) by rtp.tfd.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) id KAA14531 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:39:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:39:01 -0500 (EST) From: Kent Hauser Message-Id: <199711201539.KAA14531@rtp.tfd.com> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: large IDE disks Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I need some advice. I'm putting a 2.2 GB IDE disk in my laptop. The problem is the bad sector information. With the straightforward approach, you can only store 126 bad sectors. A lot more than that were found. My question is: how's this done? How do you get freebsd to handle big disks? Please respond directly as I'm not on the list. Thanks. Kent From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 20 08:48:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA17018 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:48:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA17012 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:48:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01177; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:46:42 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199711201646.RAA01177@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: large IDE disks In-Reply-To: <199711201539.KAA14531@rtp.tfd.com> from Kent Hauser at "Nov 20, 97 10:39:01 am" To: kent@tfd.com (Kent Hauser) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:46:37 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.dk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Kent Hauser who wrote: > > I'm putting a 2.2 GB IDE disk in my laptop. The problem is the > bad sector information. With the straightforward approach, you > can only store 126 bad sectors. A lot more than that were found. If you have ANY bad sectors on a modern IDE disk, you should get it replaced, its BAD or going to be soon :( > My question is: how's this done? How do you get freebsd to > handle big disks? (E)IDE disks should not have any bad spots, its handeled by the drive much like SCSI. If your drive turns up bad sectors it has already used up its internal spare sectors, and is to be considered dead, and if under warranty it should be replaced. Therefore the bad sector support is kind of outdated, and the amount it can hold is/was enough for the old drives that needed it... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 20 11:01:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA26832 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:01:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA26824 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:01:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01407; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:59:05 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199711201859.TAA01407@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: large IDE disks In-Reply-To: <199711201731.LAA13904@compound.east.sun.com> from Tony Kimball at "Nov 20, 97 11:31:13 am" To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:58:59 +0100 (MET) Cc: sos@FreeBSD.dk, kent@tfd.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.dk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Tony Kimball who wrote: > > I don't think the diagnosis > > : If you have ANY bad sectors on a modern IDE disk, you should get it > : replaced, its BAD or going to be soon :( > > holds generally. Both DiamondMax drives I've known have had > bad sectors, yet have performed admirably for several months. I've had a dozen or so DiamondMax drives through here, two of which has shown this problem, and both got exchanged for new good ones immediately by the importer, so belive me, they should not show ANY defects, or they are throwaways... > My limited experience has been that very large drives have > large numbers of bad sectors, regardless of their reliability > in operation. The drives should remap bad sectors by themselves, if that fails it has no more spares, and are now "junk drives" (those some of the more "ingenious" dealers try to sell anyways)... Use your 3 year warranty to get it replaced ASAP. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 20 11:34:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA29442 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:34:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from anlsun.ebr.anlw.anl.gov (anlsun.ebr.anlw.anl.gov [141.221.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA29417 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:34:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cmott@srv.net) Received: from darkstar.home (tc-if2-12.ida.net [208.141.171.69]) by anlsun.ebr.anlw.anl.gov (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id MAA26403 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:34:05 -0700 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:33:32 -0700 (MST) From: Charles Mott X-Sender: cmott@darkstar.home To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: large IDE disks In-Reply-To: <199711201859.TAA01407@sos.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The drives should remap bad sectors by themselves, if that fails it has > no more spares, and are now "junk drives" (those some of the more > "ingenious" dealers try to sell anyways)... Use your 3 year warranty > to get it replaced ASAP. Are the bad sectors determined at the time of manufactruing or does the drive somehow automatically do this when it is reformatted? Mainly, I am wondering whether the drives can automatically deal with new bad sectors as they appear. Charles Mott From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 20 12:11:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA03129 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:11:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA03123 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:11:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost.cybercity.dk [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA26329; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:08:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Kent Hauser cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: large IDE disks In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:39:01 EST." <199711201539.KAA14531@rtp.tfd.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:08:23 +0100 Message-ID: <26327.880056503@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199711201539.KAA14531@rtp.tfd.com>, Kent Hauser writes: > >I need some advice. > >I'm putting a 2.2 GB IDE disk in my laptop. The problem is the >bad sector information. With the straightforward approach, you >can only store 126 bad sectors. A lot more than that were found. With a 2.2 GB disk, you don't have to think about bad sectors, the disk drives firmware does it for you. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 20 13:16:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA08152 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:16:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA08143 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:16:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost.cybercity.dk [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA26631; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:53:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Charles Mott cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: large IDE disks In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:33:32 MST." Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:53:36 +0100 Message-ID: <26629.880059216@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message , Charles Mot t writes: >> The drives should remap bad sectors by themselves, if that fails it has >> no more spares, and are now "junk drives" (those some of the more >> "ingenious" dealers try to sell anyways)... Use your 3 year warranty >> to get it replaced ASAP. > >Are the bad sectors determined at the time of manufactruing or does the >drive somehow automatically do this when it is reformatted? If a read gives a correctable ECC error it will never tell you, otherwise you will get a read error on the sector. Writing to that sector will then force a spare sector to be used in the future. >Mainly, I am wondering whether the drives can automatically deal with new >bad sectors as they appear. yes, as per the above. If you disk starts making "klONK" sounds, it's trying to tell you that it feels sick and that you should make a backup asap and replace it. You may want to try to get it replaced under warrenty. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 20 13:57:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA11773 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:57:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from word.smith.net.au (s204m101.whistle.com [207.76.204.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA11766 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:57:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00343; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:22:29 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199711202152.IAA00343@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Charles Mott cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: large IDE disks In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:33:32 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:22:28 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > The drives should remap bad sectors by themselves, if that fails it has > > no more spares, and are now "junk drives" (those some of the more > > "ingenious" dealers try to sell anyways)... Use your 3 year warranty > > to get it replaced ASAP. > > Are the bad sectors determined at the time of manufactruing or does the > drive somehow automatically do this when it is reformatted? The drive is "formatted" at manufacture time. You can't (generally) "reformat" an IDE disk without using a vendor-specific tool. Part of the formatting process sets aside sections of the disk as "spare". When a region fails, accesses to the failing region are forwarded to a replacement area from the spare region. > Mainly, I am wondering whether the drives can automatically deal with new > bad sectors as they appear. This should be obvious from Soren's statement, but to clarify: yes, all modern disks (IDE and SCSI) should be capable of remapping bad sectors on the fly. Note that SCSI disks generally offer options controlling this behaviour; see the example in the scsi(8) manpage for details on how to edit mode page 4, which contains the ARRE (reallocate on recovered read error) and AWRE (reallocate on write error) flags. Note that if ARRE is set and the contents of the sector cannot be recovered, a hard error will be reported. The only way then to force the sector to be reallocated is to write to it. mike From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 20 16:22:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA23667 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:22:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (root@tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.0.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA23644 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:22:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oli@adlero.modem.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) Received: from adlero.modem.informatik.tu-muenchen.de ([172.16.0.23] EHLO adlero.modem.informatik.tu-muenchen.de ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 1068]) by tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de with ESMTP id <111006-3019>; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:22:39 +0000 Received: (from oli@localhost) by adlero.modem.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA00453 for FreeBsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:23:05 +0100 (CET) From: Oliver Adler Message-Id: <199711210023.BAA00453@adlero.modem.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Subject: GA586DX and FreeBSD 2.2.X To: FreeBsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:23:04 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm thinking about buying a Gigabyte GA586DX Dual Pentium motherboard ? Does the non-SMP kernel of 2.2.X boot and run on this motherboard ? Greetings and thanks Oliver -- Oliver Adler, Reinachstr. 4, D-80995 Muenchen, 089-1505620 adlero@informatik.tu-muenchen.de From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 20 17:28:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA28511 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:28:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from bob.tri-lakes.net ([207.3.81.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA28506 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:28:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@tri-lakes.net) Received: from [207.3.81.154] by bob.tri-lakes.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id fa348821 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:57:03 -0600 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:53:19 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: Charles Mott Subject: Re: large IDE disks Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 20-Nov-97 Charles Mott wrote: >> The drives should remap bad sectors by themselves, if that fails it has >> no more spares, and are now "junk drives" (those some of the more >> "ingenious" dealers try to sell anyways)... Use your 3 year warranty >> to get it replaced ASAP. > >Are the bad sectors determined at the time of manufactruing or does the >drive somehow automatically do this when it is reformatted? > >Mainly, I am wondering whether the drives can automatically deal with new >bad sectors as they appear. ALL IDE drives are capable of being re-low-level-formatted and having their bad sectors and spares remapped. Western Digital gives these utilities to the public (available on their FTP site), as does Maxtor, I think (at least I got ahold of them.. not sure if Maxtor wanted them released or not). I have NOT found these utilities for Quantum or Fujitsu drives. Conner drives actually require a small bit of hardware to do the reformatting (its rather inexpensive, luckily, and doesn't require any software.. it can be done outside of a box). --- Chris Dillon --- cdillon@tri-lakes.net --- Powered by FreeBSD, the best operating system on the planet. ---- (http://www.freebsd.org) From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 21 01:56:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA28071 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:56:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from wakko.visint.co.uk (wakko.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA28066 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:56:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@visint.co.uk) Received: from dylan.visint.co.uk (dylan.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.180]) by wakko.visint.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA28483; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:56:24 GMT Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:56:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Roome To: Oliver Adler cc: FreeBsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: GA586DX and FreeBSD 2.2.X In-Reply-To: <199711210023.BAA00453@adlero.modem.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Oliver Adler wrote: > Hi, > > I'm thinking about buying a > > Gigabyte GA586DX Dual Pentium motherboard ? > > Does the non-SMP kernel of 2.2.X boot and run on this motherboard ? The UP (non-SMP) GENERIC kernel of a lot of 3.0-xxxxxx-snapshots, 2.1.5, 2.1.7 all booted and ran okay on my GA586DX boards without any problems at all. I haven't tried by 2.2.x but I'd put money on it working as I've tried enough 3.0 snapshots from before and after 2.2.x which all worked fine with one processor. I expect someone has used 2.2.x, but if no-one gives you an answer I can try it for you, but I'm pretty certain it will be fine. I'm not selling a warranty with that though ;-) Steve -- Steve Roome - Vision Interactive Ltd. Tel:+44(0)117 9730597 Home:+44(0)976 241342 WWW: http://dylan.visint.co.uk/