From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 11 08:48:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA01939 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 08:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA01932 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 08:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dbws.etinc.com (dbws.etinc.com [204.141.95.130]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA23213; Sun, 11 May 1997 11:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970511114717.00694e28@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 11:47:20 -0400 To: Brian Somers From: Dennis Subject: Re: Routing Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:04 PM 5/11/97 +0100, you wrote: >> >> Hi! >> >> I have some routing (and freebsd network throughput) questions: >> >> 1) Has somebody tried routing using freebsd between >> a) two fast ethernet segments >> b) fast ethernet segment/2...3 ethernet segments > >I'm sure lots of people have. > >> 2) Say I have two wires running from point A to point B. Is there any >> routing protocol which would allow you to view these two wires like one >> with the bandwidth of about 2*one wire? > >Have a look at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/mpd* If your lines are higher speed, like 56k or T1, see http://www.etinc.com/bsdman.htm for info on our load balancing features. You dont want to use MP on high speed lines. Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 11 11:55:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA08966 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 11:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.denverweb.net (root@usr1-dialup37.Denver.mci.net [204.189.201.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08959 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 11:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion (blaine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.denverweb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA04351 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 13:08:55 -0600 Message-ID: <33761946.42EFBF3B@denverweb.net> Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 13:08:54 -0600 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freeBSD.org Subject: Upgrade 2.1.5 --> 2.2.1 ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I currently have web servers running 2.1.5 Release. I would like to know if there is anything special I need to do to upgrade to 2.2.1 . I have adaptec 294 cards, and would also like to migrate to the intel etherexpress PRO/100B Network cards. Is this a straigtforward upgrade, or a complete re install and reconfigure? Any tips as to what I can expect BEFORE i jump in feet first would be appreciated. Another note. Is the adaptec driver that is included on the april 97 cdrom from walnut creek the one that is buggy under a high load? Also, what are the advantages of the 2.2.1 over the 2.1.5? I am wondering if it is worth waiting another 6 months or so before doing an upgrade to whatever is likleyt to be the release this next fall. ( I don't like to upgrade for minimal reasons. ) Finally is there any special considerations in using 64 or more megs of memory with FreeBSD? Thanks in advance, Blaine From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 11 14:37:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA13701 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 14:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Wicked.eaznet.com ([206.62.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13696 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 14:37:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eddie ([206.62.254.32]) by Wicked.eaznet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA00349 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 14:43:01 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <336C5099.6774@eaznet.com> Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 02:02:17 -0700 From: Eddie Fry Organization: Creative Solutions X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: zip/tar utility Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've got a rather annoying problem. I create web pages on a Win95 machine and would like to zip the files and directories up to send them to my FreeBSD box. The only problem is, I can't find a utility on either side to help me with this (I can't fidn a TAR file creator for Win95, and I can't find an unzip utility for FreeBSD. Any ideas? thanks in advance! From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 11 14:58:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15179 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 14:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rkntws40casa ([207.137.172.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA15172; Sun, 11 May 1997 14:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970511144857.009a18c0@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 14:48:57 -0700 To: Eddie Fry , isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: zip/tar utility In-Reply-To: <336C5099.6774@eaznet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Look in the Ports Collection under archive. It's all there. unzip, rz/sz, and some others... At 02:02 AM 5/4/97 -0700, Eddie Fry wrote: >I've got a rather annoying problem. I create web pages on a Win95 >machine and would like to zip the files and directories up to send them >to my FreeBSD box. The only problem is, I can't find a utility on >either side to help me with this (I can't fidn a TAR file creator for >Win95, and I can't find an unzip utility for FreeBSD. > >Any ideas? > >thanks in advance! > > From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 11 15:14:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA15609 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 15:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lightning.tbe.net (qmailr@lightning.tbe.net [208.208.122.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA15600 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 15:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12977 invoked by uid 1010); 11 May 1997 22:11:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:11:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: USR Sportster Init String Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I am able to get a Boca 28.8 modem to work with getty on a Cyclades 8Yo card with a standard hayes-compatible command set. I run into a problem when trying to get in on the USR Sporster 33.6 Externals I have, as something will not let me connect right, such as the wrong DTE, or that it isn't locking at the correct speed or at all... If anyone can help me get the correct DTE and init string, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance. -Gary Margiotta TBE Internet Services http://www.tbe.net From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 11 15:32:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA16141 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 15:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lightning.tbe.net (qmailr@lightning.tbe.net [208.208.122.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA16131 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 15:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13482 invoked from network); 11 May 1997 22:29:19 -0000 Received: from ts8-155.intercall.com (HELO bc.bythehand.net) (207.77.26.155) by lightning.tbe.net with SMTP; 11 May 1997 22:29:19 -0000 Message-ID: <33764900.3B39@bythehand.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:32:32 -0400 From: Bernard Courtney Reply-To: bc@bythehand.com Organization: Internet Creations By The Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: SCSI Host Adapter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi All, I recently can accross a DTC 3150V SCSI Host Adapter for sale **CHEEP**, however I was wondering if it is compatable with FreeBSD 2.2.1. Thanks in advance. Bernard From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 11 15:55:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA16985 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 15:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wopr.inetu.net ([207.18.13.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA16980 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 15:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dev@localhost) by wopr.inetu.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA22039 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 19:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 19:00:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Dev Chanchani To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Sendmail hack Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I and my users have been receiving a lot of spam mail recently. Usually, this is not so bad because I will just reply to remove me. However, more and more spammers are using fake domain names to send their spam from. I was wondering if you could hack sendmail to do a lookup on the reply to or from address. If the domain name is non-existant, reject the mail. For example: mail coming from: joe@schmoe.com would be accepted because the domain name exists (need not really resolve it). mail coming from: joe@non-existant.com would be rejected because non-existant.com is not in the whois database. Anyone have any ideas? From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 11 16:38:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA18242 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 16:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rhiannon.clari.net.au (dns1.clari.net.au [203.27.85.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18237 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 16:38:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from peter@localhost) by rhiannon.clari.net.au (8.8.5/8.6.10) id JAA23072; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:37:50 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:37:50 +1000 (EST) From: Peter Hawkins Message-Id: <199705112337.JAA23072@rhiannon.clari.net.au> To: eddie@eaznet.com, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: zip/tar utility Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ports collection archivers/unzip works just fine. I also have a MSDOS tar somewhere if you want. Peter From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 11 16:43:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA18377 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 16:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18368 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 16:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA27472; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:50:39 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:50:37 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Dev Chanchani cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail hack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 11 May 1997, Dev Chanchani wrote: > I and my users have been receiving a lot of spam mail recently. Usually, > this is not so bad because I will just reply to remove me. However, more > and more spammers are using fake domain names to send their spam from. I > was wondering if you could hack sendmail to do a lookup on the reply to or > from address. If the domain name is non-existant, reject the mail. This was recently posted by Adrian Chadd on -hackers. These rules prevent remote sites from using you as a relay to deliver spams, and also prevent mail from arriving from non-existent senders. Note, however, that it only checks the 'MAIL FROM:<...>', and does not check the 'From:' line in the headers. A replacement for sendmail a la TIS's smap/smapd which actually reads the message and rejects messages with bogus 'Received:' lines would be wonderful. Danny *** sendmail.cf.orig Thu May 8 11:48:54 1997 --- sendmail.cf Thu May 8 11:52:09 1997 *************** *** 80,85 **** --- 80,100 ---- # ... this only if sendmail cannot automatically determine your domain #Dj$w.Foo.COM + # Both these files are basic text files, one host or user@host per line + # a list of known spammers, user@host form one per line + F{Spammer}/etc/sendmail/spammers + + # A list of domains to completely block, one per line + F{SpamDomains}/etc/sendmail/spamdomains + + Kdequote dequote + # Localdomains is a plaintext list of domains we accept mail for, including + # virtual domains + F{LocalDomains}/etc/sendmail/virtdomains + # Contains a plaintext list of IPs we will relay mail for, can be X.Y.Z to + # cover a whole class C.. + F{LocalNetworks}/etc/sendmail/localnetworks + CP. *************** *** 823,825 **** --- 838,894 ---- R$+ $: $>61 $1 R$+ $: $>93 $1 + + + # blocking of spammers at MAIL From: and forcing DNS resolve + # (note - this is incompatible with the DeliveryMode=defer option, since + # it requires that a DNS lookup be done immediately upon mail receipt. + + Scheck_mail + # Check for valid domain name + R$* $: $>3 $1 + R $* < @ $+ . > $: + R $* < @ $+ > $#error $@ 4.5.1 $: "451 Domain must resolve" + + + # Check against spammer list + R<$={Spammer}> $#error $@ 5.7.1 $: "571 We don't accept junk mail" + R$* $: $>3 $1 + R$*<@$={SpamDomains}.>$* $#error $@ 5.7.1 $: "571 We don't accept junk mail from your domain" + R$*<@*$={SpamDomains}>$* $#error $@ 5.7.1 $: "571 We don't accept junk mail from your domain" + R$={Spammer} $#error $@ 5.7.1 $: "571 We don't accept junk mail from your domain" + + + + # + # check_rcpt + # + Scheck_rcpt + + # mail terminating locally is ok + R$*$={LocalDomains}$* $@ OK + + # adding the client's domain name... + R$* $: $(dequote "" $&{client_name} $) $| $1 + + # directly invoked (no client name) is ok + R $| $* $@ OK + + # we will relay mail from clients in our own domain + R$*$={LocalDomains}$* $| $* $@ OK + + # adding the client's ip number... + R$* $: $(dequote "" $&{client_addr} $) $| $1 + + # directly invoked (no ip address) is ok + R0 $| $* $| $* $@ OK + + # we will relay all mail from clients on our own networks + R$*$={LocalNetworks}$* $| $* $| $* $@ OK + + # or from localhost + R$*127.0.0.1$* $| $* $| $* $@ + + # anything else is bogus + R$* $#error $@ 5.5.0 $: "550 Relay Denied" + From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 11 16:44:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA18469 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 16:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18464 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 16:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00575; Sun, 11 May 1997 16:44:26 -0700 (PDT) To: Blaine Minazzi cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Upgrade 2.1.5 --> 2.2.1 ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 11 May 1997 13:08:54 MDT." <33761946.42EFBF3B@denverweb.net> Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 16:44:25 -0700 Message-ID: <571.863394265@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Is this a straigtforward upgrade, or a complete re install and > reconfigure? Any tips as to what I can expect BEFORE i jump in feet > first would be appreciated. Yes. ;-) I actually recommend a reinstall right now as the sysinstall in 2.2.1 didn't do a chflags -R noschg over the root and usr filesystems before upgrading, and that was a mistake. Some things don't get upgraded properly and you end up with things like bogus ld.so files which can cause genuine dysfunction. This is fixed now in 2.2/3.0 but for 2.1.x -> 2.2.1 upgrades, I recommend a backup of the important bits and then a clean install. Clean installs are always preferable anyway since it's sort of the UNIX equivalent of an enema - you get rid of all the old header files and libs and such that can only get in your way later. > Another note. Is the adaptec driver that is included on the april 97 > cdrom from walnut creek the one that is buggy under a high load? No, it was updated before release. > Also, what are the advantages of the 2.2.1 over the 2.1.5? > I am wondering if it is worth waiting another 6 months or so before > doing an upgrade to whatever is likleyt to be the release this next > fall. ( I don't like to upgrade for minimal reasons. ) Is your 2.1.5 box working well for you? I'd wait. :-) Seriously, from the very beginning we've told folks that the "dot zero" releases (and the .1 release in this case really == .0 since there was only a week between the two :) should be avoided by ISPs with no clear reason to switch. Give the release branch another point release to stabilize itself before jumping on, if you can. Jordan From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 11 17:08:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA19475 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 17:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obiwan.psinet.net.au (obiwan.psinet.net.au [203.19.28.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19454 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 17:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (adrian@localhost) by obiwan.psinet.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA10315; Mon, 12 May 1997 07:51:39 +0800 (WST) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 07:51:39 +0800 (WST) From: Adrian Chadd To: Dev Chanchani cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail hack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I and my users have been receiving a lot of spam mail recently. Usually, > this is not so bad because I will just reply to remove me. However, more > and more spammers are using fake domain names to send their spam from. I > was wondering if you could hack sendmail to do a lookup on the reply to or > from address. If the domain name is non-existant, reject the mail. [snip] Info to do this is freely avaliable on the internet, however just add this to the end of your sendmail.cf file : Scheck_mail # Check for valid domain name R$* $: $>3 $1 R $* < @ $+ . > $: R $* < @ $+ > $#error $: 451 Domain must resolve Note this is incompatible with the DeliveryMode=defer option, since it requires that a DNS lookup be done immediately upon mail receipt. Adrian. From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 11 18:40:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA21864 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 18:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from packfish.gateway.net.hk (john@packfish.gateway.net.hk [202.76.19.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA21859 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 18:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from john@localhost) by packfish.gateway.net.hk (8.8.3/8.7.3) id JAA14109; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:50:07 +0800 (HKT) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:50:07 +0800 (HKT) From: John Beukema To: Dev Chanchani cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail hack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 11 May 1997, Dev Chanchani wrote: > I and my users have been receiving a lot of spam mail recently. Usually, > this is not so bad because I will just reply to remove me. However, more > and more spammers are using fake domain names to send their spam from. I > was wondering if you could hack sendmail to do a lookup on the reply to or > from address. If the domain name is non-existant, reject the mail. > > For example: > mail coming from: joe@schmoe.com would be accepted because the domain name > exists (need not really resolve it). > > mail coming from: joe@non-existant.com would be rejected because > non-existant.com is not in the whois database. > How do you stop spammers who use an existing address which is not theirs? jbeukema > Anyone have any ideas? > > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 11 20:29:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA25583 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 20:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25576 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 20:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bradley@localhost) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA02965; Sun, 11 May 1997 23:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 23:28:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Bradley Dunn X-Sender: bradley@ns2.harborcom.net To: John Beukema cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail hack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 12 May 1997, John Beukema wrote: > How do you stop spammers who use an existing address which is not theirs? a. Subscribe to Vixie's Black Hole eBGP feed. This will stop some of it. b. Check the headers and see where it is coming from. If they are not using third-party relaying, filter their IPs at your router. c. If they are using third-party relaying, notify the postmaster at the victim site and encourage them to implement third-party relay prevention. pbd -- Why can't you be a non-conformist like everyone else? From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 11 21:24:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA27717 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 21:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bellind.com ([206.101.34.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA27710 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 21:24:34 -0700 (PDT) From: RGireyev@bellind.com Received: by firewall.bellind.com id <17033-3>; Sun, 11 May 1997 21:27:30 -0700 Message-Id: <97May11.212730pdt.17033-3@firewall.bellind.com> To: Cc: Subject: RE: zip/tar utility Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:29:44 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I don't know about tar but I'm pretty sure there is a gzip (GNU zip) for windors. >---------- >From: Eddie Fry[SMTP:eddie@eaznet.com] >Sent: Sunday, May 04, 1997 2:02 AM >To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: zip/tar utility > >I've got a rather annoying problem. I create web pages on a Win95 >machine and would like to zip the files and directories up to send them >to my FreeBSD box. The only problem is, I can't find a utility on >either side to help me with this (I can't fidn a TAR file creator for >Win95, and I can't find an unzip utility for FreeBSD. > >Any ideas? > >thanks in advance! > From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 11 22:05:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA29294 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 22:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from millennianet.com (root@millennianet.com [206.71.161.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29289 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 22:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ren.mill.net (root@ren.mill.net [206.71.161.8]) by millennianet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA14866; Sun, 11 May 1997 22:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eclipse.efs.org (eclipse.efs.org [206.71.174.3]) by ren.mill.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA01374; Sun, 11 May 1997 22:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970511215945.00a717f0@ren.mill.net> X-Sender: matt@ren.mill.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:59:45 -0700 To: Bradley Dunn , John Beukema From: Matt Wilbur Subject: Re: Sendmail hack Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:28 PM 5/11/97 -0400, Bradley Dunn wrote: >On Mon, 12 May 1997, John Beukema wrote: > >> How do you stop spammers who use an existing address which is not theirs? > >a. Subscribe to Vixie's Black Hole eBGP feed. This will stop some of it. > Speaking of the ubiquitous Vixie black hole feed, i've been waiting since early march for us to reach the top of the queue, has anyone here actually _gotten_ the feed? We signed the agreement, sent it back, got ack. of this, and corresponded a little afterwards, but he said he had a huge queue of people in front of me.. (and I'm sure paying things, like the new bind release, etc. take precedence too.....) Curious, Matt From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 11 22:47:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA00820 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 22:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Radford.i-Plus.net (root@Radford.i-Plus.net [206.99.237.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00815 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 22:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abyss (pitlord@cOnFuSeD.i-Plus.net [206.99.237.42]) by Radford.i-Plus.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA04424; Mon, 12 May 1997 01:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705120544.BAA04424@Radford.i-Plus.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: "Troy Settle" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: zip/tar utility Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:46:53 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I don't know about tar but I'm pretty sure there >is a gzip (GNU zip) for windors. Winzip will handle gzip and tar files, as well as a mess of other archive formats. http://www.winzip.com Also, there is an unzip for FreeBSD in the packages collection. Handles pkzipped files just fine. > >>---------- >>From: Eddie Fry[SMTP:eddie@eaznet.com] >>Sent: Sunday, May 04, 1997 2:02 AM >>To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG >>Subject: zip/tar utility >> >>I've got a rather annoying problem. I create web pages on a Win95 >>machine and would like to zip the files and directories up to send them >>to my FreeBSD box. The only problem is, I can't find a utility on >>either side to help me with this (I can't fidn a TAR file creator for >>Win95, and I can't find an unzip utility for FreeBSD. >> >>Any ideas? >> >>thanks in advance! >> > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 12 04:00:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA12275 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 04:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de (bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA12265; Mon, 12 May 1997 04:00:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (petzi@localhost) by bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA17496; Mon, 12 May 1997 12:59:41 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:59:40 +0200 (MET DST) From: Michael Beckmann X-Sender: petzi@bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de To: hackers@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Subject: BIND 4.9.5 ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greetings, has BIND 4.9.5-P1 already been integrated in any release of FreeBSD ? Is anyone working on this ? Michael From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 12 05:13:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA16302 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 05:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zed.ludd.luth.se (zed.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA16292 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 05:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sister.ludd.luth.se (pantzer@sister.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.77]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA18953; Mon, 12 May 1997 14:13:40 +0200 Received: from localhost (pantzer@localhost) by sister.ludd.luth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id OAA18850; Mon, 12 May 1997 14:13:38 +0200 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:13:38 +0200 (MET DST) From: Mattias Pantzare To: Alex Nash cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ping flood atacks In-Reply-To: <336EA384.6201DD56@mcs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > ipfw can't filter by packet size. Are you worried about the ping o' > death? FreeBSD is immune. FreeBSD is, but not the link. An even more interesting ping is to ping the broadcast adress... From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 12 05:39:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA24166 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 05:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from superior.mooseriver.com (ppp010-sm2.sirius.com [205.134.231.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA24160; Mon, 12 May 1997 05:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.mooseriver.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA03449; Mon, 12 May 1997 05:38:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Josef Grosch Message-Id: <199705121238.FAA03449@superior.mooseriver.com> Subject: Re: BIND 4.9.5 ? In-Reply-To: from Michael Beckmann at "May 12, 97 12:59:40 pm" To: petzi@apfel.de (Michael Beckmann) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 05:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: jgrosch@sirius.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Beckmann said: >Greetings, > >has BIND 4.9.5-P1 already been integrated in any release >of FreeBSD ? Is anyone working on this ? > >Michael > > More to the point, when will BIND 8.1 be integrated into the release tree ? Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.1 jgrosch@sirius.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 12 06:11:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA09397 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 06:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA09391 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 06:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (shovey@buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08434; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:09:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve To: Eddie Fry cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: zip/tar utility In-Reply-To: <336C5099.6774@eaznet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I believe you can find unzip in the ports collection. gzip is probably the easiest to find in both dos and unix - its already on the freebsd - so you only need to tget on for dos - try sunsite.unc.edu. On Sun, 4 May 1997, Eddie Fry wrote: > I've got a rather annoying problem. I create web pages on a Win95 > machine and would like to zip the files and directories up to send them > to my FreeBSD box. The only problem is, I can't find a utility on > either side to help me with this (I can't fidn a TAR file creator for > Win95, and I can't find an unzip utility for FreeBSD. > > Any ideas? > > thanks in advance! > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 12 09:45:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA20587 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aviion.ts.kiev.ua (aviion.ts.kiev.ua [193.124.229.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA20582 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:45:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbki.ipri.kiev.ua by aviion.ts.kiev.ua with ESMTP id RAA16577; (8.6.11/zah/2.1) Mon, 12 May 1997 17:29:09 GMT Received: from cki.ipri.kiev.ua by nbki.ipri.kiev.ua with ESMTP id SAA01502; (8.6.9/zah/1.1) Mon, 12 May 1997 18:53:52 +0100 Received: from 194.44.146.14 (mac.ipri.kiev.ua [194.44.146.14]) by cki.ipri.kiev.ua (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA00663 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 19:06:56 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <33773241.6679@cki.ipri.kiev.ua> Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 18:07:45 +0300 From: Ruslan Shevchenko Reply-To: rssh@cki.ipri.kiev.ua Organization: IPRI X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UUCP server tuning [Q] - thanks for all References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks to all, this problem solved. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 12 11:52:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA27735 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 11:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aviion.ts.kiev.ua (aviion.ts.kiev.ua [193.124.229.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA27730 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 11:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbki.ipri.kiev.ua by aviion.ts.kiev.ua with ESMTP id SAA17298; (8.6.11/zah/2.1) Mon, 12 May 1997 18:02:54 GMT Received: from cki.ipri.kiev.ua by nbki.ipri.kiev.ua with ESMTP id SAA01392; (8.6.9/zah/1.1) Mon, 12 May 1997 18:16:26 +0100 Received: from 194.44.146.14 (mac.ipri.kiev.ua [194.44.146.14]) by cki.ipri.kiev.ua (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA00594; Mon, 12 May 1997 18:28:12 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <3377292D.1169@cki.ipri.kiev.ua> Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:29:01 +0300 From: Ruslan Shevchenko Reply-To: rssh@cki.ipri.kiev.ua Organization: IPRI X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RGireyev@bellind.com CC: eddie@eaznet.com, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: zip/tar utility References: <97May11.212730pdt.17033-3@firewall.bellind.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk RGireyev@bellind.com wrote: > > I don't know about tar but I'm pretty sure there > is a gzip (GNU zip) for windors. > > >---------- > >From: Eddie Fry[SMTP:eddie@eaznet.com] > >Sent: Sunday, May 04, 1997 2:02 AM > >To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG > >Subject: zip/tar utility > > > >I've got a rather annoying problem. I create web pages on a Win95 > >machine and would like to zip the files and directories up to send them > >to my FreeBSD box. The only problem is, I can't find a utility on > >either side to help me with this (I can't fidn a TAR file creator for > >Win95, and I can't find an unzip utility for FreeBSD. > > !!! unzip is in port collection. > >Any ideas? > > > >thanks in advance! > > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 12 12:34:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA00287 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 12:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from teligent.se (iservern.teligent.se [194.17.198.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00264; Mon, 12 May 1997 12:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from datorn.teligent.se (datorn.teligent.se [192.168.2.31]) by teligent.se (8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA09006; Mon, 12 May 1997 21:17:31 +0200 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 21:15:04 +0200 (MET DST) From: Jakob Alvermark To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: ps don't work in 2.2.1-R Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id MAA00265 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello! I've installed FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE a couple of weeks ago. Seems to work quite ok, except one thing.. When I run 'ps' it doesn´t show any processes, it says: ps: proc size mismatch The rest of the system works, and if I want to kill a process, I can find it in /proc. But it's annoying me, and I think it's not good. So, if anyone has an answer to why my machine has this behavior, and possibly any explantion, let me know. Thanks, Jakob Alvermark ------------------------------------------------------- Teligent AB, P.O. Box 213, S-149 23 Nynäshamn, Sweden Telephone +46-(0)8 520 660 00 * Fax +46-(0)8 520 193 36 Direct +46-(0)8 520 660 32 * GSM +46-(0)70 792 16 57 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 12 14:31:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06176 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 14:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ganymede.arisia.net (ganymede.arisia.net [207.100.94.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06166 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 14:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mars (ppp-jup-256.arisia.net [207.100.94.12]) by ganymede.arisia.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA10686 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 17:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970512213126.03477ec0@207.100.94.11> X-Sender: msv@207.100.94.11 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:31:26 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Mark S. Velasquez" Subject: Re: Virtual Domains Under 2.1.5 Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks for the reply(Danniel O'Callaghan, Robert Heron, Scot Elliot): Essetially, I had no problem establishing the IPs, and they worked with apache virtual hosting just fine. However, using squid-1.1.10 as a http accellerator didn't work. So for now, I've moved the squid proxy to another machine, and don't use it to acellerate/cache FreeBSD-based Virtual WWW Servers. Mark From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 12 19:10:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA21143 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 19:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CTRMTL31. (poste107.vl.videotron.net [206.231.222.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA21115; Mon, 12 May 1997 19:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gvl-04228 by CTRMTL31. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA06511; Mon, 12 May 1997 22:06:34 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970512221218.008ac650@pop.videotron.ca> X-Sender: lpreid@pop.videotron.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 22:12:18 -0400 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: Louis-Philippe Reid Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id TAA21133 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm upgrading my FreeBSD server to a Compaq presario 64 megs ram (2.2.1 release). When it boots i get 639/15360 of memory Why can FreeBSD see all the ram installed...? btw, Windows95 can see all the ram, so it seems to be properly installed. Anyone ever tried to install FreeBSD on a Compaq...and had it working properly? Thanks, --- Louis-Philippe Reid Service Internet - Vidéotron Ltée From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 12 20:38:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA25983 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 20:38:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25978 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 20:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA26586 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 22:37:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sjx-ca58-60.ix.netcom.com(205.186.122.188) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma026556; Mon May 12 22:37:37 1997 Message-ID: <3377E208.4F0F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 20:37:44 -0700 From: "Larry A. Harms" Reply-To: Lharms@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk info From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 12 21:23:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA28239 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 21:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tm.net.my (janeway.tm.net.my [202.188.0.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA28172 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 21:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lovebox (love.com.my [202.184.153.17]) by mail.tm.net.my (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA13779 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 12:19:46 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 12:19:46 +0800 (SGT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970513121356.00f561e0@mail.tm.net.my> X-Sender: sweeting@mail.tm.net.my X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: chas Subject: initial ping always times out even on LAN ?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have set up a mailhub for virtual email domains on a FreeBSD box. This machine is a P166, 64 MB RAM and only runs the email servers (no web, ftp etc) and only has 5 virtual domains. (with a total of 100 email accounts) However, some people are having difficulty getting to their email .. claiming that they get timed out. The weird thing is that when I ping the machine over our LAN I _always_ get timed out on the first ping, then it is OK. ie. # ping mail.domain.com.my Request timed out. Reply from 202.184.153.15: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=255 Reply from 202.184.153.15: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=255 Reply from 202.184.153.15: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=255 I have set up the virtual domains using the modifications to rule S98 of sendmail.cf and can only guess that my DNS is the problem. This is the zone file for one of the domains whose mail is being handled by the mailhub : ; ; Data file of hostnames in this zone. ; domain.com.my. IN SOA neuronet.com.my. postmaster.neuronet.com.my. ( 23 ; Serial 300 ; Refresh - 5 minutes 60 ; Retry - 1 minute 1209600 ; Expire - 2 weeks 43200 ) ; Minimum - 12 hours ; IN NS neuronet.com.my. IN NS relay1.jaring.my. IN MX 10 mail IN A 202.184.153.4 www1 IN A 202.184.153.4 www IN CNAME domain.com.my. mail IN MX 10 mail mail IN A 202.184.153.15 ; %HOSTS_END% Have I made a boo boo here ? Or could it be due to the DNS being on a separate machine (DEC 500 with 64 MB RAM), handling 60 domains as well as 2 webservers ???? Cheers, Chas ps. I trust that it is not due to the following mods. I made to the sendmail.cf file : [snip] Cwlocalhost Fw-o /etc/sendmail.cw [ ....] S98 R$+ < @ $+ . > $: $1 < @ $2 > . R$+ < @ $+ > $* $: $(maildomains $1@$2 $: $1 < @ $2 > $3 $) R$+ < @ $+ > $* $: $(maildomains $2 $: $1 < @ $2 > $3 $) R$+ < @ $+ > . $: $1 < @ $2 . > [/snip] and then sendmail.cw has the domains for which i'm collecting mail: cyclops.com.my mail.cyclops.com.my heaven.com.my mail.heaven.com.my peace.com.my From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 12 21:24:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA28335 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 21:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from multired.acnet.net (multired.acnet.net [167.114.28.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA28309; Mon, 12 May 1997 21:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from aurbina@localhost) by multired.acnet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) id XAA22057; Mon, 12 May 1997 23:24:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 23:24:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Alfonso Urbina To: Louis-Philippe Reid cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970512221218.008ac650@pop.videotron.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id VAA28312 Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You need to add the line in config file before compile kernel: options MAXMEM=131072 <=== mem you have Alfonso Urbina On Mon, 12 May 1997, Louis-Philippe Reid wrote: > Hi, > > I'm upgrading my FreeBSD server to a Compaq presario 64 megs ram (2.2.1 > release). When it boots i get > > 639/15360 of memory > > Why can FreeBSD see all the ram installed...? > > btw, Windows95 can see all the ram, so it seems to be properly installed. > > Anyone ever tried to install FreeBSD on a Compaq...and had it working > properly? > > Thanks, > > --- > Louis-Philippe Reid > Service Internet - Vidéotron Ltée > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 12 23:32:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA03754 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 23:32:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from helbig.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de (helbig.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de [141.31.166.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA03728; Mon, 12 May 1997 23:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from helbig@localhost) by helbig.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA22544; Tue, 13 May 1997 08:31:51 +0200 (MET DST) From: Wolfgang Helbig Message-Id: <199705130631.IAA22544@helbig.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de> Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970512221218.008ac650@pop.videotron.ca> from Louis-Philippe Reid at "May 12, 97 10:12:18 pm" To: lpreid@videotron.com (Louis-Philippe Reid) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 08:31:51 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, > > I'm upgrading my FreeBSD server to a Compaq presario 64 megs ram (2.2.1 > release). When it boots i get > > 639/15360 of memory > > Why can FreeBSD see all the ram installed...? Try setting the option "MAXMEM=(64*1024)" in your kernel configuration file. The options are documented in /sys/i386/conf/LINT. Wolfgang From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 13 06:35:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA20219 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 06:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.usac.edu.gt (ns.usac.edu.gt [168.234.52.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA20214 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 06:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by ns.usac.edu.gt; (5.65/1.1.8.2/17Apr97-1150AM) id AA04767; Tue, 13 May 1997 07:33:38 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 07:33:38 -0600 (GMT-0600) From: Victor Manuel Carranza Gonzalez To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: TACACS+ and limited logons? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! I am running TACACS+ on a FreeBSD 2.1.5-RELEASE machine and a friend runs it on a redhat linux box too. Everything works fine, but we both need to know how to limit the number of simultaneous logons a user can do. In other words, we do not want a user to log on more than one line at the same time. We both use CISCO 2511 access servers. Thanks in advance for your help! Victor Carranza University of San Carlos Guatemala From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 13 06:50:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA20648 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 06:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA20599; Tue, 13 May 1997 06:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) id PAA18426; Tue, 13 May 1997 15:49:18 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 15:49:18 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199705131349.PAA18426@bitbox.follo.net> From: Eivind Eklund To: Louis-Philippe Reid CC: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Louis-Philippe Reid's message of Mon, 12 May 1997 22:12:18 -0400 Subject: Re: (none) References: <3.0.1.32.19970512221218.008ac650@pop.videotron.ca> Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This belong in the -questions list. Besides, I believe the answer is in the handbook - if not, find a suitable place to insert it based the information I give you below, and send me a diff :-) > I'm upgrading my FreeBSD server to a Compaq presario 64 megs ram (2.2.1 > release). When it boots i get > > 639/15360 of memory > > Why can FreeBSD see all the ram installed...? Because Compaq and Dell use a custom BIOS interrupt to get memory above 16 MB, and write max 16MB to the Real Time Clock memory, which is where FreeBSD get memory size. You'll have to override the default memory size, preferably by compiling a new kernel. This will make FreeBSD probe for RAM up to the amount you say you have. (This mean that you can usually specify that you have e.g. 256MB, and it will probe and find how much there really is. The reason this isn't the default is that it doesn't work with all motherboards.) > btw, Windows95 can see all the ram, so it seems to be properly installed. > > Anyone ever tried to install FreeBSD on a Compaq...and had it working > properly? Yes. Works like a charm. (This is written on an xterm into a Compaq Prosignia 500 running FreeBSD.) Eivind. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 13 08:38:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA25500 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 08:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ultra.ts.kiev.ua (ultra.ts.kiev.ua [193.124.229.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24667; Tue, 13 May 1997 08:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbki.ipri.kiev.ua by ultra.ts.kiev.ua with SMTP id RAA05652; (8.8.3/zah/2.1) Tue, 13 May 1997 17:20:08 +0300 (EET DST) Received: from cki.ipri.kiev.ua by nbki.ipri.kiev.ua with ESMTP id QAA01265; (8.6.9/zah/1.1) Tue, 13 May 1997 16:21:41 +0100 Received: from 194.44.146.14 (mac.ipri.kiev.ua [194.44.146.14]) by cki.ipri.kiev.ua (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA02695; Tue, 13 May 1997 16:34:58 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <3378602A.55E3@cki.ipri.kiev.ua> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 15:35:53 +0300 From: Ruslan Shevchenko Reply-To: rssh@cki.ipri.kiev.ua Organization: IPRI X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Louis-Philippe Reid CC: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: References: <3.0.1.32.19970512221218.008ac650@pop.videotron.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Louis-Philippe Reid wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm upgrading my FreeBSD server to a Compaq presario 64 megs ram (2.2.1 > release). When it boots i get > > 639/15360 of memory > > Why can FreeBSD see all the ram installed...? > It was in hackers, try search the FreeBSD mail archives. (options MAXMEM=what_you_want, in kernel, if I remember) > btw, Windows95 can see all the ram, so it seems to be properly installed. > > Anyone ever tried to install FreeBSD on a Compaq...and had it working > properly? > Some versions og Comaq have setup on HDD. > Thanks, > > --- > Louis-Philippe Reid > Service Internet - Vidéotron Ltée From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 13 09:21:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA27479 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 09:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from narcissus.ml.org (root@brosenga.Pitzer.edu [134.173.120.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA27474; Tue, 13 May 1997 09:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (fullermd@localhost) by narcissus.ml.org (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA22224; Tue, 13 May 1997 09:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 09:18:53 -0700 (PDT) From: The Devil Himself To: Ruslan Shevchenko cc: Louis-Philippe Reid , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <3378602A.55E3@cki.ipri.kiev.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id JAA27475 Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 13 May 1997, Ruslan Shevchenko wrote: > Louis-Philippe Reid wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm upgrading my FreeBSD server to a Compaq presario 64 megs ram (2.2.1 > > release). When it boots i get > > > > 639/15360 of memory > > > > Why can FreeBSD see all the ram installed...? > > > > It was in hackers, try search the FreeBSD mail archives. > > (options MAXMEM=what_you_want, in kernel, if I remember) > > > btw, Windows95 can see all the ram, so it seems to be properly installed. > > > > Anyone ever tried to install FreeBSD on a Compaq...and had it working > > properly? > > > > Some versions og Comaq have setup on HDD. Mine does. I had FreeBSD on it, and it worked fine. A note though; because the setup is on the HDD, it showed up as F3 on the bootmanager, and I could no longer go into it using F10, like before. But it still worked just fine. > > > Thanks, > > > > --- > > Louis-Philippe Reid > > Service Internet - Vidéotron Ltée > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* |FreeBSD is good. FreeBSD is our friend. UNIX is our god.| *Micro$oft is bad. Micro$oft causes problems.* |MicroBSD??? I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!| |"I hate quotes in signature files" :-} MAtthew Fuller| *fullermd@narcissus.ml.org FreeBSD junkie* |http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd Westminster College| *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 13 17:54:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA29411 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 17:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bj.ciet.cn.net ([202.96.57.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA29389 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 17:54:22 -0700 (PDT) From: wujie@ciet.cn.net Received: from wujie ([10.138.88.73]) by mail.bj.ciet.cn.net with SMTP (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA07394; Wed, 14 May 1997 08:53:38 +0800 (EAT) Message-ID: <33790CD7.B43@ciet.cn.net> Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 08:52:40 +0800 Reply-To: wujie@ciet.cn.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: How to make the system boot selectable? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a IBM PC 350 P100 machine, it originally has only 1 hard disk. I add the second one myself. I want my BSD runs first when boot up, so I install the Windows 95 on the second one. But then I find this IBM PC can't boot from the slave hard disk. It can only naturally boot from the master disk! I saw the Easy Boot*Mgr option during the install procedure. Should I install it on both hard disks to enable selectable boot? Does this option affects the Windows 95 system boot area? U know, M$ is always not so stable. At this time, everytime I want to start the 95 to do some word processing, I have to switch the master and slave IDE line. Thanks in advance! From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 13 18:43:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA02648 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 18:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cedb.dpcsys.com (cedb.DPCSYS.com [209.25.4.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02643 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 18:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by cedb.dpcsys.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id BAA15417; Wed, 14 May 1997 01:43:12 GMT Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:43:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Busarow To: John Beukema cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail hack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 12 May 1997, John Beukema wrote: > How do you stop spammers who use an existing address which is not theirs? > jbeukema The latest check_rcpt at http://www.informatik.uni-kiel.de/%7Eca/email/check.html#check_rcpt gets the sender's IP address. If you add one file F{SpamIP} /etc/sendmail.spamip and one more test R$={SpamIP}$* $| $* $#error $@ 5.7.1 $: Spammer access denied you can add entries to sendmail.spamip to block known spammers by IP address or IP prefix. It's harder for them to fake their IP address and IP addresses tend to last longer than domain names for spammers so this really helps. Add the R$={Spam ... right after the LocalIP test and F{SpamIP} right after F{LocalIP} Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems / Beach.Net dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 13 19:02:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA04755 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aries.bb.cc.wa.us ([208.8.136.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA04746 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by aries.bb.cc.wa.us (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA28545; Tue, 13 May 1997 18:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:56:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Coleman To: wujie@ciet.cn.net cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to make the system boot selectable? In-Reply-To: <33790CD7.B43@ciet.cn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 May 1997 wujie@ciet.cn.net wrote: > I have a IBM PC 350 P100 machine, it originally has only 1 hard disk. I > add the second one myself. I want my BSD runs first when boot up, so I > install the Windows 95 on the second one. But then I find this IBM PC > can't boot from the slave hard disk. It can only naturally boot from the > master disk! > > I saw the Easy Boot*Mgr option during the install procedure. Should I > install it on both hard disks to enable selectable boot? If you install it on both hard disks it would allow you to multi-boot different OS's on EACH disk. You probably only want to install it on the Master disk, and install a standard MBR on the FBSD disk if it isn;t your Master disk. If FBSD is your Master disk, leave the Windows95 dist untouched. I have had win95 and FBSD dual booting, but it has been a long time ago. Does this > option affects the Windows 95 system boot area? U know, M$ is always not > so stable. At this time, everytime I want to start the 95 to do some > word processing, I have to switch the master and slave IDE line. > > Thanks in advance! > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 13 21:41:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA15995 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 21:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA15990 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 21:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA13409 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 21:41:50 -0700 (PDT) To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: ccd - pretty awesome! Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 21:41:50 -0700 Message-ID: <13405.863584910@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk OK, so maybe I'm the last guy on my block to try out ccd, but now that I have I just wanted to say "WOW!" I took two reasonably identical P6/200 machines, one with a single 4Gb drive and another with 5 2Gb drives configured into a single CCD volume (fast/wide Quantum drives in both cases). I then built the world in -current from a standing start (no obj). My times: Single drive: 2:30 CCD: 1:45 I'd say that's a fairly significant difference! Removing large numbers of files also *flies* on the ccd array (both single drive and ccd array mounted async) as do most other operations. I'm impressed. I dunno, but I'm going to have to review my strategy of buying large, single drives now in light of this. ;-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 13 22:21:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA19208 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 22:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bj.ciet.cn.net ([202.96.57.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA19200 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 22:21:23 -0700 (PDT) From: wujie@ciet.cn.net Received: from wujie ([10.138.88.73]) by mail.bj.ciet.cn.net with SMTP (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA09690; Wed, 14 May 1997 13:19:59 +0800 (EAT) Message-ID: <33794B44.43B9@ciet.cn.net> Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:19:01 +0800 Reply-To: wujie@ciet.cn.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chris@bb.cc.wa.us CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Where to install the Easy Boot Mgr? References: Pine.NEB.3.94.970513185340.26397A-100000@aries.bb.cc.wa.us Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks, but I'm still not very clear. The situation is: I install the FBSD on my MASTER disk with Easy Boot Mgr option. Win95 is installed on the SLAVE disk without Easy Boot Mgr option. At this time, I can only boot from FBSD when both of these 2 disks is connected to the machine, can't switch to boot from Win95. Is it necessary to install the Easy Boot Mgr option on my slave disk? Will it work? U know if it ruins the Win95 data on the SLAVE disk, I have to backup the Win95 data and system and reinstall the 95 and my data files. > If you install it on both hard disks it would allow you to multi-boot > different OS's on EACH disk. You probably only want to install it on the > Master disk, and install a standard MBR on the FBSD disk if it isn;t your What is "a standard MBR"? > Master disk. If FBSD is your Master disk, leave the Windows95 dist > untouched. I have had win95 and FBSD dual booting, but it has been a long > time ago. Yup! The FBSD is on my Master disk! What do u mean "leave the Win95 disk untouched"? Do I have to reinstall the Win95 on the Master and FBSD on the Slave so that it's possible dual booting? Thank u. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 13 23:01:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA23381 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 23:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sys3.cambridge.uk.psi.net (sys3.cambridge.uk.psi.net [154.32.106.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA23376 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 23:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (uucp1.mail.uk.psi.net [154.32.105.26]) by sys3.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/) with ESMTP id GAA09400; Wed, 14 May 1997 06:19:04 +0100 (BST) Received: by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.7.5/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id GAA11207; Wed, 14 May 1997 06:12:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from infodev.nadt.org.uk (infodev.nadt.org.uk [194.155.224.205]) by charlie.nadt.org.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA20004; Tue, 13 May 1997 23:22:21 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970513222221.006dfe54@wrcmail> X-Sender: robmel@wrcmail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 23:22:21 +0100 To: Louis-Philippe Reid From: Robin Melville Subject: Re: Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 22:12 12/05/97 -0400, Louis-Philippe Reid wrote: >.. Compaq presario 64 megs ram (2.2.1 >release). When it boots i get > >639/15360 of memory > >Why can FreeBSD see all the ram installed...? I had the same problem, its a Compaq thing. Rebuild the kernel with the line: options "MAXMEM=65536" Should work. You also might consider searching the FreeBSD mailing list archive for other questions that might already have been answered 8-) Best regards Robin. -------------------------------------------------------- Robin Melville, Addiction & Forensic Information Service Nottingham Alcohol & Drug Team (Extn. 49178) Vox: +44 (0)115 952 9478 Fax: +44 (0)115 952 9421 Email: robmel@nadt.org.uk WWW: http://www.innotts.co.uk/nadt/ --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 14 00:23:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA11811 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 00:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kremvax.demos.su (kremvax.demos.su [194.87.0.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA11806 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 00:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by kremvax.demos.su (8.6.13/D) from 0@skraldespand.demos.su [194.87.0.19] with ESMTP id LAA11997; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:15:57 +0400 Received: by skraldespand.demos.su id LAA01565; (8.8.5/D) Wed, 14 May 1997 11:16:48 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <19970514111647.45543@skraldespand.demos.su> Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 11:16:47 +0400 From: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ccd - pretty awesome! References: <13405.863584910@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.65_p2,4-7,10-11,15,18,21-22 Organization: Demos Company, Ltd., Moscow, Russian Federation. X-Point-of-View: Gravity is myth, - the earth sucks. Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, May 13, 1997 at 09:41:50PM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > OK, so maybe I'm the last guy on my block to try out ccd, but > now that I have I just wanted to say "WOW!" > > I then built the world in -current from a standing start (no obj). My > times: > > Single drive: 2:30 > CCD: 1:45 how speedy they were, say on dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ccdX bs=256k? We've made table some months ago and sent it out, - we achieved 36mb/s on 4x9Gb Seagate UW Barracuda's, which were placed on 2 3940 adaptecs. Maybe anyone else have some kind of statistics? > > Jordan -mishania From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 14 00:28:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA12287 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 00:28:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gras-varg.worldgate.com (skafte@gras-varg.worldgate.com [198.161.84.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA12272 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 00:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from skafte@localhost) by gras-varg.worldgate.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA06200 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 May 1997 01:28:17 -0600 (MDT) From: Greg Skafte Message-Id: <199705140728.BAA06200@gras-varg.worldgate.com> Subject: Gated and RELENG_2_2 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 01:28:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL14 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk has anyone had success with gated on RELENG_2_2. We have it working on quite nicely on our RELENG_2_1_0 machine. Yes the port for 2.2.x is actually gated 3_5_5 where under 2.1-stable its 3_5beta3. I'm having problems with gated advertising either direct or static routes into the ospf table .... anythoughts.... -- Email: skafte@worldgate.com Voice: +403 413 1910 Fax: +403 421 4929 #575 Sun Life Place * 10123 99 Street * Edmonton, AB * Canada * T5J 3H1 -- -- PGP 2.6.2 Key fingerprint = 42 9C 2C A8 4D 2B C9 C4 7D B6 00 B0 50 47 20 97 http://gras-varg.worldgate.com/~skafte/ http://www.worldgate.com/ -- -- When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a whole lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the simplest thing in the world; it's preventing one that's complex. (Janet Morris) From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 14 00:53:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA14980 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 00:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA14974 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 00:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA14024; Wed, 14 May 1997 00:54:01 -0700 (PDT) To: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ccd - pretty awesome! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 May 1997 11:16:47 +0400." <19970514111647.45543@skraldespand.demos.su> Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 00:54:01 -0700 Message-ID: <14021.863596441@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > how speedy they were, say on dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ccdX bs=256k? I couldn't tell you - there's a filesystem on this drive which would highly object to my running that command. ;-) With bonnie I get about 15Mb/sec. Jordan From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 14 01:01:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA16258 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 01:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA16206 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 01:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA10715; Wed, 14 May 1997 18:11:22 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 18:11:21 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Greg Skafte cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Gated and RELENG_2_2 In-Reply-To: <199705140728.BAA06200@gras-varg.worldgate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 May 1997, Greg Skafte wrote: > has anyone had success with gated on RELENG_2_2. > > We have it working on quite nicely on our RELENG_2_1_0 machine. > > Yes the port for 2.2.x is actually gated 3_5_5 where under 2.1-stable > its 3_5beta3. > > I'm having problems with gated advertising either direct or static routes > into the ospf table .... I'm not having any trouble like that, but I'm running 3_5beta3 under 2.2. My problem is that occasionally the default route decides change the remote gateway IP address every month or so. Deleting the bogus default route fixes it, as gated then adds the correct entry. Weird. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 14 05:04:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA26674 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 05:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA26634 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 05:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by mirage.nlink.com.br (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA06284 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 09:02:25 -0300 (EST) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:02:24 -0300 (EST) From: Paulo Fragoso To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Adaptech 2940 bug? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have a freebsd 2.1.7 box whith Adaptec 2940. Are there any bug in the driver to adaptec? My system is auto-rebooting, I think this problem may be the driver... May 14 02:00:02 mirage innd: itaiba.di.ufpe.br flush May 14 02:00:02 mirage innd: itaiba.di.ufpe.br opened itaiba.di.ufpe.br:15:file May 14 02:00:02 mirage innd: itaiba.di.ufpe.br closed May 14 02:00:02 mirage /kernel: cd0(ahc0:6:0): UNIT ATTENTION asc:28,0 May 14 02:00:02 mirage /kernel: cd0(ahc0:6:0): Not ready to ready transition, medium may have changed in this moment the system rebooted, there wasn't any CDROM in the SCSI-CDROM. My HD's and CDROM's are SCSI. May 14 02:02:45 mirage /kernel: FreeBSD 2.1.7-RELEASE #0: Mon Apr 28 11:58:38 EST 1997 May 14 02:02:45 mirage /kernel: paulo@mirage.nlink.com.br:/usr/src/sys/compile/KERNEL4 May 14 02:02:45 mirage /kernel: CPU: 200-MHz Pentium 735\90 or 815\100 (Pentium-class CPU) May 14 02:02:45 mirage /kernel: Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping=12 May 14 02:02:45 mirage /kernel: Features=0x1bf May 14 02:02:45 mirage /kernel: real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) May 14 02:02:45 mirage /kernel: avail memory = 62734336 (61264K bytes) What's happened? Thanks advice, Paulo. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 14 08:59:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA16355 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 08:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aries.bb.cc.wa.us ([208.8.136.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA16350 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 08:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by aries.bb.cc.wa.us (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA07244; Wed, 14 May 1997 08:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 08:53:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Coleman To: wujie@ciet.cn.net cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where to install the Easy Boot Mgr? In-Reply-To: <33794B44.43B9@ciet.cn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 May 1997 wujie@ciet.cn.net wrote: > Thanks, but I'm still not very clear. The situation is: > > I install the FBSD on my MASTER disk with Easy Boot Mgr option. Win95 is > installed on the SLAVE disk without Easy Boot Mgr option. At this time, > I can only boot from FBSD when both of these 2 disks is connected to the > machine, can't switch to boot from Win95. ok, on your master disk you have freebsd with the Booteasy installed. Now, with both drives connected to the machine, at boot up, you should get a 'F?' prompt telling you 'F1=FreeBSD' 'F2 DOS' or 'F2 Win95' if you don't get this, you have to install Booteasy on both Disks. Then the prompt would be 'F1=FreeBSD' 'F2 2nd Disk' Then you would press 'F1 for FreeBSD'. If you pressed 'F2' it would display 'F1 1st Disk' and 'F2 Win95'. Is it necessary to install the > Easy Boot Mgr option on my slave disk? Will it work? U know if it ruins > the Win95 data on the SLAVE disk, I have to backup the Win95 data and > system and reinstall the 95 and my data files. I don't think it ruins the information, or it wouldn't be possible. > > > If you install it on both hard disks it would allow you to multi-boot > > different OS's on EACH disk. You probably only want to install it on the > > Master disk, and install a standard MBR on the FBSD disk if it isn;t your > > What is "a standard MBR"? I meant a "Standard FreeBSD Master Boot Record" or the standard boot information that is required to make FreeBSD boot. This is what you use to boot FreeBSD if you only have one disk. I hope this makes things clear. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 14 09:38:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA18871 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 09:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omnix-net.com (root@[195.114.69.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18866 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 09:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (didier@localhost.omnix-net.com [127.0.0.1]) by omnix-net.com (8.7.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA23699 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 16:37:23 GMT Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 18:37:23 +0200 (MET DST) From: "didier@omnix.fr.org" To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: interface card to connect 64k..256k to connect to internet Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi is there any board available in france or in the EC to connect a FreeBSD 2.2.1 box to Internet through a 64K..256K leased line Thanks for your help -- Didier Derny didier@omnix-net.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 14 10:46:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA23279 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wopr.inetu.net ([207.18.13.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA23272 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dev@localhost) by wopr.inetu.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA12794 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 13:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:50:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Dev Chanchani To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: chroot questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If you have a service in a chroot()'ed enviornment, and it chroot()'s again, is there any problem? From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 14 10:52:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA23646 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from destiny.waverider.co.uk (destiny.waverider.co.uk [194.207.28.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA23633 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zephania.waverider.co.uk (zephania.waverider.net.uk [194.207.28.99]) by destiny.waverider.co.uk (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id RAA06388; Wed, 14 May 1997 17:47:23 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970514183915.0080e5d0@waverider.net.uk> X-Sender: andyc@waverider.net.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 18:39:16 +0100 To: "didier@omnix.fr.org" , isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Andy Cowan Subject: Re: interface card to connect 64k..256k to connect to internet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 18:37 14/05/97 +0200, didier@omnix.fr.org wrote: > >Hi > >is there any board available in france or in the EC to connect >a FreeBSD 2.2.1 box to Internet through a 64K..256K leased line > Try the SDL Riscom n2 (see htpp://www.sdlcomm.com). We're using it here on a variety of line speeds from 64K to 256K and beyond. Andy Andy Cowan Tel: 01564 795888 Technical Director Fax: 01564 795177 Wave Rider Internet plc http://www.waverider.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 14 11:06:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA24364 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mpeks.tomsk.su (mpeks.tomsk.su [193.124.182.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24338 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mpeks.tomsk.su (8.6.11/8.6.9) with UUCP id CAA26821 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 May 1997 02:05:21 +0800 Received: (from vas@localhost) by vas.tomsk.su (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA01260 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 May 1997 01:14:01 +0800 (TSD) From: "Victor A. Sudakov" Message-Id: <199705141714.BAA01260@vas.tomsk.su> Subject: Mail from different addresses To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 01:14:00 +0800 (TSD) Organization: Tomsk Region Education Department X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello. I have a question about writing from multiple addresses. My machine is known under different names, such as vas.tomsk.su (1) vas.tsu.tomsk.su (2) vas.obluo.tomsk.su (3) All those names are written in /etc/sendmail.cw and I can receive mail for all those domains just fine. I use uucp. The question is, can I setup my system (FreeBSD 2.1.6, sendmail 8.8.5) so that depending on where I am sending a message, I should have different "From:" lines in the header? For example, if I send a message to questions@freebsd.org, I wish the address (2) to be in the "From:" field, and if I send a mail to foo@bar.com, I wish this mail to be from (3). It would be great to have some kind of table like mailertable, where I could define domains and the corresponding return address. Is this at all possible and if it is, can you please give me a hint how to implement this? If this question is not appropriate in this mailing list, could you kindly point me to a newsgroup or mailing list where I could ask it. Thanks a lot. -- Victor Sudakov http://www.tomsk.su/r/persons/vas.htm From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 14 11:39:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA26676 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mocara.infonaut.org (mocara.infonaut.org [195.92.101.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26667 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:39:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mocara.infonaut.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mocara.infonaut.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA26472 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 19:38:55 GMT Message-Id: <199705141938.TAA26472@mocara.infonaut.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: "David Sean McNicholl" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Limiting Bandwidth. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 19:38:51 +0000 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Other than dummynet ( http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ), does anyone of bandwidth limiting software. The obvious limitation to dummynet is that it aonly restricts tcp. Dave. P.S. preferably free :) From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 14 11:41:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA26857 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obiwan.TerraNova.net (root@obiwan.TerraNova.net [205.152.26.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26850 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P1mpBSD (coolholio@P1mpBSD.TerraNova.net [205.152.26.130]) by obiwan.TerraNova.net (8.8.5/TerraNovaNet) with SMTP id NAA24825; Wed, 14 May 1997 13:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3379F5E1.7E5C@TerraNova.net> Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:26:57 -0400 From: Travis Mikalson Reply-To: bofh@TerraNova.net Organization: TerraNovaNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "didier@omnix.fr.org" CC: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: interface card to connect 64k..256k to connect to internet References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk didier@omnix.fr.org wrote: > > Hi > > is there any board available in france or in the EC to connect > a FreeBSD 2.2.1 box to Internet through a 64K..256K leased line > > Thanks for your help You might try an ET card.. http://www.etinc.com (Saved Dennis the trouble :) Travis -- -=--==--===---====----======------=======------- TerraNovaNet Internet Services - Key Largo, FL Voice: (305)453-4011 Fax: (305)451-5991 http://www.TerraNova.net -------=======------======----====---===--==--=- Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 14 11:46:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA27183 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27178 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA20078 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970514144518.00bd9760@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 14:45:22 -0400 To: isp@freebsd.org From: dennis Subject: Re: interface card to connect 64k..256k to connect to internet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 06:39 PM 5/14/97 +0100, you wrote: >At 18:37 14/05/97 +0200, didier@omnix.fr.org wrote: >> >>Hi >> >>is there any board available in france or in the EC to connect >>a FreeBSD 2.2.1 box to Internet through a 64K..256K leased line >> > >Try the SDL Riscom n2 (see htpp://www.sdlcomm.com). We're using it here on >a variety of line speeds from 64K to 256K and beyond. We also have a family of supported products with advanced features available for FreeBSD. http://www.etinc.com db Emerging Technologies, Inc. Quad, Dual and Single Port ISA and PCI Router cards for BSD/OS, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OPenBSD and Linux Standalone Routers Bandwidth Allocation/Limiter Manager http://www.etinc.com sales@etinc.com (516) 271-4525 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 14 13:47:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA03758 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 13:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA03753 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 13:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id WAA26959; Wed, 14 May 1997 22:08:18 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199705142008.WAA26959@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Limiting Bandwidth. To: mcnicholl@real.com (David Sean McNicholl) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:08:18 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199705141938.TAA26472@mocara.infonaut.org> from "David Sean McNicholl" at May 14, 97 07:38:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, > Other than dummynet ( http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ), does anyone of > bandwidth limiting software. The obvious limitation to dummynet is that it > aonly restricts tcp. it is not difficult to limit UDP as well, you clone the two functions tcp_ip_input() and tcp_ip_output() with almost identical ones, udp_ip_input() and udp_ip_output, and establish the proper calls between the udp and ip layers. You can use the same (global) bw limit for both TCP and UDP, or set up different limits for TCP and UDP (e.g. to limit NFS or multicast traffic)... I have not the time to work on it now, but it is not complex, really. Cheers Luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 14 14:37:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06083 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06077 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01216 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA21167; Wed, 14 May 1997 17:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970514173510.008f69d0@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 17:35:18 -0400 To: Luigi Rizzo , mcnicholl@real.com (David Sean McNicholl) From: dennis Subject: Re: Limiting Bandwidth. Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:08 PM 5/14/97 +0200, Luigi Rizzo wrote: >> Hi, >> Other than dummynet ( http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ), does anyone of >> bandwidth limiting software. The obvious limitation to dummynet is that it >> aonly restricts tcp. > >it is not difficult to limit UDP as well, you clone the two functions >tcp_ip_input() and tcp_ip_output() with almost identical ones, >udp_ip_input() and udp_ip_output, and establish the proper calls between >the udp and ip layers. You can use the same (global) bw limit for both >TCP and UDP, or set up different limits for TCP and UDP (e.g. to limit >NFS or multicast traffic)... > >I have not the time to work on it now, but it is not complex, really. I've heard of a pretty neat product that limits bandwidth for all types of traffic, even by IP address! :-) See http://www.etinc.com Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 14 14:52:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06981 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.gbdata.com (tel_ppp0025.livingston.net [207.22.211.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06965 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:52:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gclarkii@localhost) by main.gbdata.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA01635 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 May 1997 16:51:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Gary Clark II Message-Id: <199705142151.QAA01635@main.gbdata.com> Subject: Re: Limiting Bandwidth. To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 16:51:53 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199705141938.TAA26472@mocara.infonaut.org> from David Sean McNicholl at "May 14, 97 07:38:51 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Sean McNicholl wrote: > Hi, > Other than dummynet ( http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ), does anyone of > bandwidth limiting software. The obvious limitation to dummynet is that it > aonly restricts tcp. > > Dave. > > P.S. preferably free :) > Talk to Dennis at etinc.com. They have some that I've seen in action and it works well. Covers everything...:) It is pricey though. Gary -- Gary Clark II (N5VMF) | I speak only for myself and "maybe" my company gclarkii@GBData.COM | Member of the FreeBSD Doc Team Providing Internet and ISP startups - http://WWW.GBData.com for information FreeBSD FAQ at ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/docs/FAQ.latin1 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 14 23:00:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA01633 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 23:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (labs.usn.blaze.net.au [203.17.53.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA01618 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 23:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (local [127.0.0.1]) by labs.usn.blaze.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02736; Thu, 15 May 1997 15:58:42 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199705150558.PAA02736@labs.usn.blaze.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Wolfram Schneider cc: scot@poptart.org (Scot Elliott), wosch@apfel.de, tony@mail.warp.co.uk, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Script to check if porgram is running In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 May 1997 15:24:01 +0200." <199705091324.PAA16168@ole.cs.tu-berlin.de> X-Face: (W@z~5kg?"+5?!2kHP)+l369.~a@oTl^8l87|/s8"EH?Uk~P#N+Ec~Z&@;'LL!;3?y Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:58:42 +1000 From: David Nugent Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > My system doesn't have a killall command - I assume it's like the Linux > > version. So is it available as a FreeBSD package then? > > Killall is part of the base system since 1995/06/25. The current > sources are available at > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/usr.bin/killall/ Any if anyone is interested, yes, it does work under 2.1.5 (maybe earlier too - I never had an opportunity to try). Regards, David David Nugent - Unique Computing Pty Ltd - Melbourne, Australia Voice +61-3-9791-9547 Data/BBS +61-3-9792-3507 3:632/348@fidonet davidn@freebsd.org davidn@blaze.net.au http://www.blaze.net.au/~davidn/ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 02:54:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA11117 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 02:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA11107 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 02:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA26774 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 02:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ole.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@ole.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.28.1]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17032; Thu, 15 May 1997 11:51:44 +0200 (MET DST) From: Wolfram Schneider Received: (from wosch@localhost) by ole.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA16376; Thu, 15 May 1997 11:51:43 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 11:51:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199705150951.LAA16376@ole.cs.tu-berlin.de> To: David Nugent Cc: scot@poptart.org (Scot Elliott), wosch@apfel.de, tony@mail.warp.co.uk, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Script to check if porgram is running In-Reply-To: <199705150558.PAA02736@labs.usn.blaze.net.au> References: <199705091324.PAA16168@ole.cs.tu-berlin.de> <199705150558.PAA02736@labs.usn.blaze.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Nugent writes: >> > My system doesn't have a killall command - I assume it's like the Linux >> > version. So is it available as a FreeBSD package then? >> >> Killall is part of the base system since 1995/06/25. The current >> sources are available at >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/usr.bin/killall/ > >Any if anyone is interested, yes, it does work under 2.1.5 (maybe >earlier too - I never had an opportunity to try). Early versions of killall do not work for suid/sgid programms (xterm, top etc.) because the proc filesystem /proc did not support the real uid. Wolfram From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 08:38:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA24195 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 08:38:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.vis.net.uk [194.207.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24190 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 08:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.vis.net.uk [194.207.134.1]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA05007; Thu, 15 May 1997 16:52:02 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:52:02 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Roome To: "didier@omnix.fr.org" cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: interface card to connect 64k..256k to connect to internet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 May 1997, didier@omnix.fr.org wrote: > > Hi > > is there any board available in france or in the EC to connect > a FreeBSD 2.2.1 box to Internet through a 64K..256K leased line There's been some suggestions to use the Riscom N2.. We used one of the ISA N2's for a while, but this was problematic and we moved to the SDL WANic (it's just a PCI N2), which hasn't taken 5 minutes of my time since I plugged it in. (Including the time to recompile the kernel =)). Our WANic is driving an E1 (2Mbit/s line) which offers you an easy upgrade route.. It's also dual ported like the N2D The etinc boards are probably just as good as well, but I don't know as much about them. > > > Thanks for your help > > -- > Didier Derny > didier@omnix-net.com > > > Steve Roome Technical Systems Manager, Vision Interactive Ltd. E: steve@visint.co.uk M: +44 (0) 976 241 342 T: +44 (0) 117 973 0597 F: +44 (0) 117 923 8522 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 09:10:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA26222 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 09:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com [206.14.52.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26217 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 09:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jas@localhost) by biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA14431; Thu, 15 May 1997 09:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 09:11:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199705151611.JAA14431@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> To: didier@omnix-net.com, steve@visint.co.uk Subject: Re: interface card to connect 64k..256k to connect to internet Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Here's a (semi-)rhetorical question: With the price of a basic, sync-to-Ethernet router going to $700, or ca. $1350 with an integrated CSU/DSU, is there still a market for these cards (either ET or SDL)? (I'm thinking of the Livingston Office Router, some of the Compatible Systems boxes, and the Ascend Pipeline 130.) Jim Shankland Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 09:13:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA26320 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 09:13:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ultra.ts.kiev.ua (ultra.ts.kiev.ua [193.124.229.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24943 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 08:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbki.ipri.kiev.ua by ultra.ts.kiev.ua with SMTP id RAA12203; (8.8.3/zah/2.1) Thu, 15 May 1997 17:28:08 +0300 (EET DST) Received: from cki.ipri.kiev.ua by nbki.ipri.kiev.ua with ESMTP id PAA02128; (8.6.9/zah/1.1) Thu, 15 May 1997 15:54:29 +0100 Received: from 194.44.146.14 (mac.ipri.kiev.ua [194.44.146.14]) by cki.ipri.kiev.ua (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA00648; Thu, 15 May 1997 16:07:16 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <337AFCA6.4D17@cki.ipri.kiev.ua> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:08:02 +0300 From: Ruslan Shevchenko Reply-To: rssh@cki.ipri.kiev.ua Organization: IPRI X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Coleman CC: wujie@ciet.cn.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to make the system boot selectable? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chris Coleman wrote: > > On Wed, 14 May 1997 wujie@ciet.cn.net wrote: > > > I have a IBM PC 350 P100 machine, it originally has only 1 hard disk. I > > add the second one myself. I want my BSD runs first when boot up, so I > > install the Windows 95 on the second one. But then I find this IBM PC > > can't boot from the slave hard disk. It can only naturally boot from the > > master disk! > > > > I saw the Easy Boot*Mgr option during the install procedure. Should I > > install it on both hard disks to enable selectable boot? > > If you install it on both hard disks it would allow you to multi-boot > different OS's on EACH disk. You probably only want to install it on the > Master disk, and install a standard MBR on the FBSD disk if it isn;t your > Master disk. If FBSD is your Master disk, leave the Windows95 dist > untouched. Hm, my Win95 do not want boot from slave. I have had win95 and FBSD dual booting, but it has been a long > time ago. > I have such situatioon at home. If we have HDD with *installed, as 1-st HDD* FreeBSD, then boot from floppy, and Install Boot Manager on you Win95 Disk. then you can boot FBSD, first at -s mode to edit /etc/fstab (s/wd0/wd1), > Does this > > option affects the Windows 95 system boot area? U know, M$ is always not > > so stable. At this time, everytime I want to start the 95 to do some > > word processing, I have to switch the master and slave IDE line. > > > > Thanks in advance! > > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 10:08:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00763 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 10:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00751 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA28054; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970515130603.00c2c3c0@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:06:11 -0400 To: Jim Shankland , didier@omnix-net.com, steve@visint.co.uk From: dennis Subject: Re: interface card to connect 64k..256k to connect to internet Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:11 AM 5/15/97 -0700, Jim Shankland wrote: >Here's a (semi-)rhetorical question: > >With the price of a basic, sync-to-Ethernet router going to >$700, or ca. $1350 with an integrated CSU/DSU, is there still a >market for these cards (either ET or SDL)? > >(I'm thinking of the Livingston Office Router, some of the Compatible >Systems boxes, and the Ascend Pipeline 130.) Also there exists the question: Since Saturn's are selling for about $12,000., is there still a market for Mercedes or Porche..or even the Toyota Camry? For a 56kbs line thats going to be 10% utilized, you are correct...perhaps the price isnt worth it. However, note that the lowest end Freebsd router can be built for about $900. and is much more functional and powerful and expandable than any of the above mini-routers you mentioned. Have you priced 4 T1 port routers with 100Mbs Ethernet ports recently? Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 10:16:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01226 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 10:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mpeks.tomsk.su (mpeks.tomsk.su [193.124.182.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA01148 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 10:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by mpeks.tomsk.su (8.6.11/8.6.9) with UUCP id BAA12765; Fri, 16 May 1997 01:07:34 +0800 Received: (from vas@localhost) by vas.tomsk.su (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA03348; Thu, 15 May 1997 20:04:46 +0800 (TSD) From: "Victor A. Sudakov" Message-Id: <199705151204.UAA03348@vas.tomsk.su> Subject: Re: Mail from different addresses To: dan@dpcsys.com (Dan Busarow) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 20:04:45 +0800 (TSD) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Dan Busarow" at "May 14, 97 04:43:15 pm" Organization: Tomsk Region Education Department X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dan Busarow wrote: > It's a tough problem. I think you'll have to hack sendmail > source. The reason is that the normal rulesets get either > the recipient or the sender for processing, but not both. Hacking sendmail is out of the question - I am not a programmer. I am just wondering why such a useful feature has never been implemented. I shall give you an example setup. There is a small private uucp network not connected to the Internet. Its nodes are called "alpha", "beta" and "gamma". I want to join this network, so my nodename in this network will be "delta" while my internet hostname is "vas.tomsk.su". I have setup /etc/sendmail.cw so I shall probably be able to receive mail for "delta". I have setup /etc/mailertable so that all my mail to "user@alpha" is indeed spooled to the system "alpha". I have setup the uucp configs and especially the "myname" variable so that when "alpha" calls me my system introduces itself as "delta". But. The major problem is that when I write a mail to "user@alpha", this mail is from "vas.tomsk.su" while I want it to be from "delta". Any solution? -- Victor Sudakov http://www.tomsk.su/r/persons/vas.htm From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 10:44:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02957 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 10:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com [206.14.52.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02949 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 10:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jas@localhost) by biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA15436; Thu, 15 May 1997 10:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 10:45:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199705151745.KAA15436@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> To: dennis@etinc.com, didier@omnix-net.com, steve@visint.co.uk Subject: Re: interface card to connect 64k..256k to connect to internet Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk dennis@etinc.com writes: > Also there exists the question: > > Since Saturn's are selling for about $12,000., is there still a market > for Mercedes or Porche..or even the Toyota Camry? > > For a 56kbs line thats going to be 10% utilized, you are > correct...perhaps the price isnt worth it. However, note that the > lowest end Freebsd router can be built for about $900. and is much > more functional and powerful and expandable than any of the above > mini-routers you mentioned. Hmm. I assume you're not seriously claiming that the Livingston OR-HS, say, can only handle a 10%-loaded 56 Kb line. But are you saying it can't handle a full T1, as it's advertised to be able to do? I'm not trying to bait anyone, by the way, just to elicit information. My question, more precisely framed, is this: Suppose I have a FreeBSD box, appropriately configured for my needs, and I want to interface it to a high-speed (well, up to T1) serial line. I could: (1) buy a card from ET or SDL, and plunk it into the FreeBSD box; or (2) buy a low-end T1 router, and connect it via a crossover 10Base-T cable to its own Ethernet card in the FreeBSD box. (Ought to be able to gang 2-4 of these low-end routers onto one Ethernet interface in the FreeBSD box, also.) In the past, one argument for option (1) has been that it was considerably cheaper. This price difference is now much reduced, perhaps even eliminated if you consider the integrated-CSU models. (And the Pipeline 130 gives you a BRI port you can use as a backup link.) So my question is: what are the best arguments in favor of option (1)? Note that the question is not FreeBSD vs. no FreeBSD. It's more nearly a choice between an "outboard" WAN interface, and one installed directly into the FreeBSD box. Jim Shankland Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 10:54:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03585 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 10:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03578 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 10:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bradley@localhost) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA16173; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:54:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Bradley Dunn X-Sender: bradley@ns2.harborcom.net To: Jim Shankland cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: interface card to connect 64k..256k to connect to internet In-Reply-To: <199705151611.JAA14431@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, check this out: 4 x ET/5025PQ-4-25-V.35 (4 T1 Capable Ports) @ $1995. = $7980. Basic Pentium box with 64MB RAM, 1GB SCSI, PCI ether < $2000 So a 16-T1-port router for under 10 grand. I doubt anyhing from cisco, Ascend, Livingston, et. al. can beat that. To get that level of density on a cisco you would need at least a 7000 (I think). pbd -- You can make it illegal, but you can't make it unpopular. On Thu, 15 May 1997, Jim Shankland wrote: > Here's a (semi-)rhetorical question: > > With the price of a basic, sync-to-Ethernet router going to > $700, or ca. $1350 with an integrated CSU/DSU, is there still a > market for these cards (either ET or SDL)? > > (I'm thinking of the Livingston Office Router, some of the Compatible > Systems boxes, and the Ascend Pipeline 130.) From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 11:03:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04258 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 11:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04252 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 11:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA28388; Thu, 15 May 1997 14:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970515140210.00a6a790@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 14:02:19 -0400 To: Jim Shankland From: dennis Subject: Re: interface card to connect 64k..256k to connect to internet Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:45 AM 5/15/97 -0700, you wrote: >dennis@etinc.com writes: > >> Also there exists the question: >> >> Since Saturn's are selling for about $12,000., is there still a market >> for Mercedes or Porche..or even the Toyota Camry? >> >> For a 56kbs line thats going to be 10% utilized, you are >> correct...perhaps the price isnt worth it. However, note that the >> lowest end Freebsd router can be built for about $900. and is much >> more functional and powerful and expandable than any of the above >> mini-routers you mentioned. > >Hmm. I assume you're not seriously claiming that the Livingston >OR-HS, say, can only handle a 10%-loaded 56 Kb line. But are you >saying it can't handle a full T1, as it's advertised to be able to do? A saturn can do 80Mph, but do you want to race a Porsche? If "handle" is what you are looking for, then buy the cheapest thing on the market, but MOST isps (hopefully yours and mine) care more about other such things. Imaging if your upstream provider connected you with a cheap box that could "handle" your T1? You'd be rather upset, I think. > >I'm not trying to bait anyone, by the way, just to elicit information. >My question, more precisely framed, is this: > >Suppose I have a FreeBSD box, appropriately configured for my needs, >and I want to interface it to a high-speed (well, up to T1) serial >line. I could: > >(1) buy a card from ET or SDL, and plunk it into the FreeBSD box; or > >(2) buy a low-end T1 router, and connect it via a crossover 10Base-T >cable to its own Ethernet card in the FreeBSD box. (Ought to be able >to gang 2-4 of these low-end routers onto one Ethernet interface in the >FreeBSD box, also.) Anyone who thinks that 4 low-end T1 routers are as good as 1 high-end pentium with 4 T1 port hasnt done it before......the inefficiencies (such as collisions) caused by 4 devices vs 1 is enough to sour that equation all by itself. > >In the past, one argument for option (1) has been that it was considerably >cheaper. This price difference is now much reduced, perhaps even >eliminated if you consider the integrated-CSU models. (And the >Pipeline 130 gives you a BRI port you can use as a backup link.) A DDS csu is < $200 and T1 $350....the cost points are similar. And I'll take the external unit so I dont have to replace the whole router if I get a hit or a failure as well. > >So my question is: what are the best arguments in favor of option (1)? >Note that the question is not FreeBSD vs. no FreeBSD. It's more >nearly a choice between an "outboard" WAN interface, and one installed >directly into the FreeBSD box. http://www.etinc.com/routers.htm explores this point. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 11:23:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05585 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 11:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.vis.net.uk [194.207.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05580 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 11:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.vis.net.uk [194.207.134.1]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA07150; Thu, 15 May 1997 19:36:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 19:36:01 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Roome To: Jim Shankland cc: dennis@etinc.com, didier@omnix-net.com, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: interface card to connect 64k..256k to connect to internet In-Reply-To: <199705151745.KAA15436@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 May 1997, Jim Shankland wrote: > dennis@etinc.com writes: > > > Also there exists the question: > > > > Since Saturn's are selling for about $12,000., is there still a market > > for Mercedes or Porche..or even the Toyota Camry? > > > > For a 56kbs line thats going to be 10% utilized, you are > > correct...perhaps the price isnt worth it. However, note that the > > lowest end Freebsd router can be built for about $900. and is much > > more functional and powerful and expandable than any of the above > > mini-routers you mentioned. > > Hmm. I assume you're not seriously claiming that the Livingston > OR-HS, say, can only handle a 10%-loaded 56 Kb line. But are you > saying it can't handle a full T1, as it's advertised to be able to do? > > I'm not trying to bait anyone, by the way, just to elicit information. > My question, more precisely framed, is this: > > Suppose I have a FreeBSD box, appropriately configured for my needs, > and I want to interface it to a high-speed (well, up to T1) serial > line. I could: > > (1) buy a card from ET or SDL, and plunk it into the FreeBSD box; or > > (2) buy a low-end T1 router, and connect it via a crossover 10Base-T > cable to its own Ethernet card in the FreeBSD box. (Ought to be able > to gang 2-4 of these low-end routers onto one Ethernet interface in the > FreeBSD box, also.) > > In the past, one argument for option (1) has been that it was considerably > cheaper. This price difference is now much reduced, perhaps even > eliminated if you consider the integrated-CSU models. (And the > Pipeline 130 gives you a BRI port you can use as a backup link.) > > So my question is: what are the best arguments in favor of option (1)? > Note that the question is not FreeBSD vs. no FreeBSD. It's more > nearly a choice between an "outboard" WAN interface, and one installed > directly into the FreeBSD box. The cost options still "cuts the mustard" so to speak, for the same functionality as the FreeBSD box with a 'card' you'll find yourself needing to spend more than just this Livingston router, aside from the time issue of setting it up. If you have the FreeBSD box already the difference is between the cost of one et/sdl serial card and possibly a MUX. Against this there is the cost of the Livingston box (is the MUX integral with this router?). I beleive the Livingston routers I was looking at about 6 months ago priced quite favourably, however in comparison to what, say, CISCO had to offer for the same task it's a wonder these boxes are so cheap and I'd like to know if they aren't cutting it a bit fine - or how cisco were charging so much. The SDL WANic has two ports capable of handling some silly transfer rates like 12Mbp/s, quite frankly I don't know how well the cards will manage this.. (okay I expect), But I doubt you will get this expandibility from a Livingston box. I can't speak for the Emerging Technologies cards, but I expect they are equally (or better) specified. As the difference in price is really fairly small anyway any high speed serial card is likely to be a good enough performer. So as long as you start out sensibly, and buy a decent MUX as well, unless your telephone company provided you a V.35 interface or something... (sure sure) Then you have a much better upgrade route than through a ready made router. Another thing to watch out for is what protocol your provider will run to you. Some isp's apparently won't do ppp over leased lines, but only HDLC, if that's the case with your provider then the Livingston might be better as I'm not sure about HDLC capabilty with the FreeBSD drivers for these cards. Steve. root@doctor-claw# ifconfig sr0 sr0: flags=8051 mtu 1500 inet 194.207.3.10 --> 194.207.3.9 netmask 0xffffff00 root@doctor-claw# tcpblast 194.207.3.9 200 ...... 200 KB in 769 msec = 2130559.2 kbit/s Steve Roome Technical Systems Manager, Vision Interactive Ltd. E: steve@visint.co.uk M: +44 (0) 976 241 342 T: +44 (0) 117 973 0597 F: +44 (0) 117 923 8522 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 12:13:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA08778 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 12:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fireball.blast.net (root@fireball.blast.net [204.141.163.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08754; Thu, 15 May 1997 12:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flashpoint.blast.net (flashpoint.blast.net [204.141.163.62]) by fireball.blast.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA22844; Thu, 15 May 1997 15:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705151912.PAA22844@fireball.blast.net> From: "Pat McPartland" To: , "FBSD questions" Subject: 2.1.5 or 2.2.1 Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:08:29 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I am an ISP. I have to upgrade my webserver. Should I upgrade to 2.1.5 or 2.2.1? I have the CDs, but I'm not sure which would be better. I was thinking of upgrading to 2.2.1 since I have it, but I read a message in the archives discouraging 2.2.1? Any advice? Thanks, Pat Patrick McPartland mcp@blast.net From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 12:46:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA10476 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 12:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10471 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 12:46:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA02568; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:46:12 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:46:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199705151946.NAA02568@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Jim Shankland Cc: dennis@etinc.com, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: interface card to connect 64k..256k to connect to internet In-Reply-To: <199705151745.KAA15436@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> References: <199705151745.KAA15436@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jim Shankland writes: > Suppose I have a FreeBSD box, appropriately configured for my needs, > and I want to interface it to a high-speed (well, up to T1) serial > line. I could: > > (1) buy a card from ET or SDL, and plunk it into the FreeBSD box; or > > (2) buy a low-end T1 router, and connect it via a crossover 10Base-T > cable to its own Ethernet card in the FreeBSD box. (Ought to be able > to gang 2-4 of these low-end routers onto one Ethernet interface in the > FreeBSD box, also.) > > In the past, one argument for option (1) has been that it was considerably > cheaper. This price difference is now much reduced, perhaps even > eliminated if you consider the integrated-CSU models. (And the > Pipeline 130 gives you a BRI port you can use as a backup link.) > > So my question is: what are the best arguments in favor of option (1)? For me, it was the ability to more easily control the data coming into my network, since I could use IPFW *ON* the box where the packets were coming in directly. I have direct control over the packets, and it didn't require setting up a special 2-address subnet for the connection from my router to the firewall box (thus wasting 4 of the 30 addresses I have available to me). I can easily monitor *all* network traffic from a single point, and I have a single point of failure, which is a good thing in our situation. (The box is basically our 'do-it-all' machine, handling email, DNS, routing, modem service, etc...) IMHO, any serious network connection needs a firewall, so you're going to have to setup *something* to keep you from getting whacked, so why not roll everything into one solution. SRI-MT's box is 486/66 running Dennis' Frame-Relay card pusing a 56K line, and has an uptime of: 1:40PM up 142 days, 2:09, 5 users, load averages: 0.04, 0.01, 0.00 We've had longer uptimes, but due to power outages we decided to install a UPS, so I installed the UPS about 145 days ago, and spent a couple days testing out power-down, power-outage handling, etc... Another point in favor of the sync card is that even though Dennis' personality isn't my favorite, he has been mostly responsive, and updates the software to newer FreeBSD releases, so it's easy to stay current if you want to. For me it was a pretty easy solution, since the box was our router before we upgraded to Frame Relay, so adding the sync. card was simply replacing our old dedicated 28.8K modem with a 'Real(tm)' network connection. Hope this helps, Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 12:57:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA10914 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 12:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user.xtdl.com (user.xtdl.com [206.25.228.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA10908; Thu, 15 May 1997 12:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sderdau@localhost) by user.xtdl.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA06469; Thu, 15 May 1997 16:08:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:08:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen A. Derdau" To: Pat McPartland cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, FBSD questions Subject: Re: 2.1.5 or 2.2.1 In-Reply-To: <199705151912.PAA22844@fireball.blast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yes please let me know also....WE also are an ISP and are meeting tonight to discuss an upgrade. Which version of FreeBSD do you need to run front page extensions is all that I would add. Thank You Stephen A. Derdau XTDL inc 603 4714700 "It's just a matter of perspective" On Thu, 15 May 1997, Pat McPartland wrote: > Hello, > I am an ISP. I have to upgrade my webserver. Should I upgrade to 2.1.5 or > 2.2.1? I have the CDs, but I'm not sure which would be better. I was > thinking of upgrading to 2.2.1 since I have it, but I read a message in the > archives discouraging 2.2.1? Any advice? > > Thanks, > > Pat > > Patrick McPartland > mcp@blast.net > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 13:18:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA12188 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from narcissus.ml.org (root@brosenga.Pitzer.edu [134.173.120.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12163; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (fullermd@localhost) by narcissus.ml.org (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10083; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:18:06 -0700 (PDT) From: The Devil Himself To: "Stephen A. Derdau" cc: Pat McPartland , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, FBSD questions Subject: Re: 2.1.5 or 2.2.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 May 1997, Stephen A. Derdau wrote: > Yes please let me know also....WE also are an ISP and are meeting > tonight to discuss an upgrade. Which version of FreeBSD do you need > to run front page extensions is all that I would add. > > Thank You > > > Stephen A. Derdau > XTDL inc > 603 4714700 "It's just a matter of perspective" The company I work for is running 2.1-STABLE systems, and we have frontpage extensions on. I don't think it matters what verison of FreeeBSD you're using acvtually; just what version of the web server (Apache, in our case) you are running. > > > On Thu, 15 May 1997, Pat McPartland wrote: > > > Hello, > > I am an ISP. I have to upgrade my webserver. Should I upgrade to 2.1.5 or > > 2.2.1? I have the CDs, but I'm not sure which would be better. I was > > thinking of upgrading to 2.2.1 since I have it, but I read a message in the > > archives discouraging 2.2.1? Any advice? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Pat > > > > Patrick McPartland > > mcp@blast.net Go with 2.2.1. There have been some problems with 2.2, which is why 2.2.1 came out, but anything before 2.1.6 had a fair-sized security hole, plus there are a lot of features in 2.2.1 that would be nice on a system that's going to take some load. Hope it helps!! *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* |FreeBSD is good. FreeBSD is our friend. UNIX is our god.| *Micro$oft is bad. Micro$oft causes problems.* |MicroBSD??? I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!| |"I hate quotes in signature files" :-} MAtthew Fuller| *fullermd@narcissus.ml.org FreeBSD junkie* |http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd Westminster College| *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 13:27:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA12741 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12736 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dialup-usr11.etinc.com (dialup-usr11.etinc.com [204.141.95.132]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA29359; Thu, 15 May 1997 16:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970515162022.00a36f00@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:20:25 -0400 To: Bradley Dunn From: dennis Subject: Re: interface card to connect 64k..256k to connect to internet Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 01:54 PM 5/15/97 -0400, you wrote: >Well, check this out: >4 x ET/5025PQ-4-25-V.35 (4 T1 Capable Ports) @ $1995. = $7980. >Basic Pentium box with 64MB RAM, 1GB SCSI, PCI ether < $2000 Well...the math isnt QUITE that easy, as you'd need a special MB with more than 4 PCI slots to do this....but I dont think that the original poster is talking about high density routers.....for the low end its pretty difficult to justify the freebsd box vs the cheapy router...particularly on a 56kbs PTP line. But an ISP that puts up a bunch of compatible systems routers for his serial line customers not only doesnt know what hes doing, but he's ripping off his customers. Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 13:31:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA12950 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.id.net (mail.id.net [199.125.1.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12945 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.id.net (server.id.net [199.125.2.20]) by mail.id.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA03415; Thu, 15 May 1997 16:31:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Shady Received: (from rls@localhost) by server.id.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) id QAA00465; Thu, 15 May 1997 16:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705152031.QAA00465@server.id.net> Subject: Re: Limiting Bandwidth. In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970514173510.008f69d0@etinc.com> from dennis at "May 14, 97 05:35:18 pm" To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, mcnicholl@real.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've heard of a pretty neat product that limits bandwidth for all types > of traffic, even by IP address! :-) > > See http://www.etinc.com Cute Dennis.. :) -- Rob === _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ Innovative Data Services Serving South-Eastern Michigan Internet Service Provider / Hardware Sales / Consulting Services Voice: (810)855-0404 / Fax: (810)855-3268 / Web: http://www.id.net From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 13:32:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA13078 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user.xtdl.com (user.xtdl.com [206.25.228.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA13067; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sderdau@localhost) by user.xtdl.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA07276; Thu, 15 May 1997 16:43:23 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:43:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen A. Derdau" To: The Devil Himself cc: Pat McPartland , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, FBSD questions Subject: Re: 2.1.5 or 2.2.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Great We have 2.2.1. I'll have to check the version of appache though! Stephen A. Derdau XTDL inc 603 4714700 "It's just a matter of perspective" On Thu, 15 May 1997, The Devil Himself wrote: > On Thu, 15 May 1997, Stephen A. Derdau wrote: > > > Yes please let me know also....WE also are an ISP and are meeting > > tonight to discuss an upgrade. Which version of FreeBSD do you need > > to run front page extensions is all that I would add. > > > > Thank You > > > > > > Stephen A. Derdau > > XTDL inc > > 603 4714700 "It's just a matter of perspective" > The company I work for is running 2.1-STABLE systems, and we have > frontpage extensions on. I don't think it matters what verison of > FreeeBSD you're using acvtually; just what version of the web server > (Apache, in our case) you are running. > > > > > > > On Thu, 15 May 1997, Pat McPartland wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > I am an ISP. I have to upgrade my webserver. Should I upgrade to 2.1.5 or > > > 2.2.1? I have the CDs, but I'm not sure which would be better. I was > > > thinking of upgrading to 2.2.1 since I have it, but I read a message in the > > > archives discouraging 2.2.1? Any advice? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > Patrick McPartland > > > mcp@blast.net > > Go with 2.2.1. > There have been some problems with 2.2, which is why 2.2.1 came out, but > anything before 2.1.6 had a fair-sized security hole, plus there are a lot > of features in 2.2.1 that would be nice on a system that's going to take > some load. > > Hope it helps!! > > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > |FreeBSD is good. FreeBSD is our friend. UNIX is our god.| > *Micro$oft is bad. Micro$oft causes problems.* > |MicroBSD??? I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!| > |"I hate quotes in signature files" :-} MAtthew Fuller| > *fullermd@narcissus.ml.org FreeBSD junkie* > |http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd Westminster College| > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 13:47:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA14008 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (root@pluto100.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13990; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA19579; Thu, 15 May 1997 14:47:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199705152047.OAA19579@pluto.plutotech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0beta 12/23/96 To: The Devil Himself cc: "Stephen A. Derdau" , Pat McPartland , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, FBSD questions Subject: Re: 2.1.5 or 2.2.1 In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 May 1997 13:18:06 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:45:55 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Go with 2.2.1. Then upgrade to and track 2.2-stable. There were plenty of problems, particularly in the aic7xxx driver that where fixed after 2.2.1 that make 2.2-stable a better choice. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 13:49:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA14147 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com [206.14.52.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14140 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jas@localhost) by biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA17469 for isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:50:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199705152050.NAA17469@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: interface card to connect 64k..256k to connect to internet Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks to all for the feedback on this; it's been illuminating. My take is that the case for the quad-sync card at an ISP or a corporat headquarters is stronger than that for the single-sync card in a remote-office or ISP-customer setting. Price certainly is a factor, and personally, at $1K for a PCI-based, single-T1 card, I find it a hard sell compared to a Pipeline 130 with an integrated CSU *and* a BRI port for, say, $1300. (And I can't say that I found derisive quote marks around the word "handle" in "handle a T1", or references to brands of automobiles, persuasive.) The FreeBSD box with 1-3 quad-T1 cards, plus a 100 Mb/s Ethernet card, is another story, and looks attractive. Jim Shankland Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 13:51:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA14365 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from narcissus.ml.org (root@brosenga.Pitzer.edu [134.173.120.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14344; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (fullermd@localhost) by narcissus.ml.org (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10372; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:51:49 -0700 (PDT) From: The Devil Himself To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: "Stephen A. Derdau" , Pat McPartland , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, FBSD questions Subject: Re: 2.1.5 or 2.2.1 In-Reply-To: <199705152047.OAA19579@pluto.plutotech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 May 1997, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > >Go with 2.2.1. > > Then upgrade to and track 2.2-stable. There were plenty of problems, > particularly in the aic7xxx driver that where fixed after 2.2.1 that > make 2.2-stable a better choice. Definately. That was a typo, BTW; we're running 2.2-STABLE. And it's NICE... > > -- > Justin T. Gibbs > =========================================== > FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations > =========================================== *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* |FreeBSD is good. FreeBSD is our friend. UNIX is our god.| *Micro$oft is bad. Micro$oft causes problems.* |MicroBSD??? I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!| |"I hate quotes in signature files" :-} MAtthew Fuller| *fullermd@narcissus.ml.org FreeBSD junkie* |http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd Westminster College| *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 14:01:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15024 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 14:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fireball.blast.net (root@fireball.blast.net [204.141.163.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15003; Thu, 15 May 1997 14:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flashpoint.blast.net (flashpoint.blast.net [204.141.163.62]) by fireball.blast.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA28553; Thu, 15 May 1997 17:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705152100.RAA28553@fireball.blast.net> From: "Pat McPartland" To: , "FBSD questions" Subject: Re: 2.1.5 or 2.2.1 Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:56:31 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there any special procedure for upgrading to 2.2.1? Or- same upgrade mounting the partitions and re-configuring the /etc files? Thanks Pat mcp@blast.net ---------- From: The Devil Himself To: Justin T. Gibbs Cc: Stephen A. Derdau ; Pat McPartland ; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; FBSD questions Subject: Re: 2.1.5 or 2.2.1 Date: Thursday, May 15, 1997 4:51 PM On Thu, 15 May 1997, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > >Go with 2.2.1. > > Then upgrade to and track 2.2-stable. There were plenty of problems, > particularly in the aic7xxx driver that where fixed after 2.2.1 that > make 2.2-stable a better choice. Definately. That was a typo, BTW; we're running 2.2-STABLE. And it's NICE... > > -- > Justin T. Gibbs > =========================================== > FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations > =========================================== *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* |FreeBSD is good. FreeBSD is our friend. UNIX is our god.| *Micro$oft is bad. Micro$oft causes problems.* |MicroBSD??? I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!| |"I hate quotes in signature files" :-} MAtthew Fuller| *fullermd@narcissus.ml.org FreeBSD junkie* |http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd Westminster College| *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 16:26:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA24439 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 16:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24429 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 16:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bradley@localhost) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA10794; Thu, 15 May 1997 19:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 19:26:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Bradley Dunn X-Sender: bradley@ns2.harborcom.net Reply-To: Bradley Dunn To: dennis cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: interface card to connect 64k..256k to connect to internet In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970515162022.00a36f00@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 May 1997, dennis wrote: > Well...the math isnt QUITE that easy, as you'd need a special MB > with more than 4 PCI slots to do this....but I dont think that the original Sure it is. :) ASUS P6NP5 w/ 150-MHz Pentium Pro: $435 (5 PCI slots) 2 x 32MB 60ns 72-pin parity RAM: $418 Generic ISA video: $35 Intel Etherexpress Pro 10/100 PCI: $79 Case + Power: $50 3.5" Floppy: $24 Adaptec ISA SCSI controller: $129 1GB Seagate SCSI: $249 ---- $1419 + Shipping < $2000 (Prices from various places in June Computer Shopper. You could probably find lower prices if you looked hard.) Now the question of at what point this router will saturate the PCI bus is more interesting... pbd -- You can make it illegal, but you can't make it unpopular. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 17:39:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA27248 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 17:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA27240; Thu, 15 May 1997 17:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA20164; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:50:43 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:50:42 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Pat McPartland cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, FBSD questions Subject: Re: 2.1.5 or 2.2.1 In-Reply-To: <199705151912.PAA22844@fireball.blast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 May 1997, Pat McPartland wrote: > I am an ISP. I have to upgrade my webserver. Should I upgrade to 2.1.5 or > 2.2.1? I have the CDs, but I'm not sure which would be better. I was > thinking of upgrading to 2.2.1 since I have it, but I read a message in the > archives discouraging 2.2.1? Any advice? Don't use 2.1.5 - it has significant security holes. Use 2.1.7.1, or 2.2.1. If you can ftp 90 MB, grab the latest 2.2 from ftp://releng22.freebsd.org/pub/ Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 19:59:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA03271 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 19:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [204.178.32.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA03266; Thu, 15 May 1997 19:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA18008; Thu, 15 May 1997 23:09:51 GMT Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 23:09:51 +0000 (GMT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: William Bulley cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, jjudge@usr.com, support@usr.com Subject: Re: radius, usr total control and freebsd In-Reply-To: <199705151819.OAA18143@ohm.merit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If anyone has info on Radius and USR Total Control, I'd love to hear from them as well... We just bought a whole bunch of these, and I hate the thought of buying a Sparc or NT (yechhhh) machine to run the USR modded Radius. Of course, for $5000-ish, they'll compile me a FBSD version, the salesperson says. Pretty dumb marketing if you ask me; what do they have to lose by following the lead of Ascend, Livingston, and Xylogics in giving out source code to something that only works with a product you've already bought from them... Charles On Thu, 15 May 1997, William Bulley wrote: > According to Steve: > > > > Anyone successfully using merit radius from the ports collection on > > freebsd with the usr total control network hub? > > > > Im having some trouble and could use some help. > > Last time I checked the ports collection contained a very old version > of the Merit server. I have built our server on 2.1.5 without problem. > > Regards, > > web... > > -- > William Bulley, N8NXN Senior Systems Research Programmer > Merit Network, Inc. Email: web@merit.edu > 4251 Plymouth Road, Suite C Phone: (313) 764-9993 > Ann Arbor, Michigan 48105-2785 Fax: (313) 647-3185 > > [ What's all the fuss over the end of the century with mission critial ] > [ programs failing due to dates? If people simply started using Roman ] > [ Numerials the problem vanishes! MCM = 1900 MCMXCIX = 1999 MM = 2000 ] > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 20:30:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA04642 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 20:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.xtalwind.net (slipper34b.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.118]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04622; Thu, 15 May 1997 20:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (zeus.xtalwind.net [127.0.0.1]) by zeus.xtalwind.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA00606; Thu, 15 May 1997 23:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 23:29:56 -0400 (EDT) From: jack X-Sender: jack@zeus.xtalwind.net To: The Devil Himself cc: "Stephen A. Derdau" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, FBSD questions Subject: Re: 2.1.5 or 2.2.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 May 1997, The Devil Himself wrote: > On Thu, 15 May 1997, Stephen A. Derdau wrote: > > > Yes please let me know also....WE also are an ISP and are meeting > > tonight to discuss an upgrade. Which version of FreeBSD do you need > > to run front page extensions is all that I would add. > > > > Thank You > > > > > > Stephen A. Derdau > > XTDL inc > > 603 4714700 "It's just a matter of perspective" > The company I work for is running 2.1-STABLE systems, and we have > frontpage extensions on. I don't think it matters what verison of > FreeeBSD you're using acvtually; just what version of the web server > (Apache, in our case) you are running. I'll second that, we've got it running on 3.0-something-SNAP with Apache 1.2b10. Not a "production" server but our play machine/domain. :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Finger jacko@diamond.xtalwind.net or jack@xtalwind.net http://www.xtalwind.net/~jacko/pubpgp.html #include for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 15 22:26:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA09477 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 22:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09472 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 22:26:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA04795; Thu, 15 May 1997 23:26:10 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 23:26:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199705160526.XAA04795@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Small office needs more serial lines X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm the jack-of-all-trades for the SRI-Montana office, and we just hired another person so we're now out of serial lines on our modem bank (we have 4 in use now). So, that means I got to get one of the multi-serial solutions everyone has talked about in the past. What cards are supported under FreeBSD 2.1.7? I don't want to upgrade the box because it's been heavily tweaked for local configuration, and I don't have the time nor the desire to beta-test 2.2 on a box that has 6-9 month uptimes. Also, do I need lots of interrupts? I would have 4 free available (from the existing 4 ports), but I'm unsure if you need an interrupt/port (which seems bogus). Any ISPs willing to part with a 8-port board cheaply? *grin* Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 16 01:14:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA16044 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 01:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from npc.haplink.co.cn ([202.96.192.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA16037 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 01:13:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from xiyuan@localhost) by npc.haplink.co.cn (8.8.4/8.6.9) id QAA28393 for isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 May 1997 16:16:50 GMT Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:16:50 GMT From: xiyuan qian Message-Id: <199705161616.QAA28393@npc.haplink.co.cn> To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: proxy host with ppp dialin Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have installed a host running FreeBSD2.1.5 and it can dial out to the Internet. Yes, it can get one static IP address. But, there is a LAN with the host and I have no more IP addresses. Is there any method that can make the host act as a proxy host to bring all the LAN to Internet. I mean, when the host dial out, all the PCs locates at the same LAN with the host can visit Internet too. Best regaurds! --xiyuan From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 16 02:18:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA18294 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 02:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arka.mtl.pl (root@arka.mtl.pl [195.116.4.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA18279 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 02:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arka.mtl.pl (rh@arka.mtl.pl [195.116.4.4]) by arka.mtl.pl (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA28493; Fri, 16 May 1997 11:16:05 GMT Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 11:16:05 +0000 () From: Robert Heron To: Nate Williams cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Small office needs more serial lines In-Reply-To: <199705160526.XAA04795@rocky.mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 May 1997, Nate Williams wrote: > What cards are supported under FreeBSD 2.1.7? I don't want to upgrade > the box because it's been heavily tweaked for local configuration, and I > don't have the time nor the desire to beta-test 2.2 on a box that has > 6-9 month uptimes. I have experience with ISA 8-port PC-COM and AXIOM UART 16550A cards. They work on single interrupt and cause no problems. I suppose, that any UART 16550A based card should work with FreeBSD. The only thing to do is to setup switches and configure kernel. Robert From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 16 02:34:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA18945 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 02:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arka.mtl.pl (root@arka.mtl.pl [195.116.4.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA18936; Fri, 16 May 1997 02:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arka.mtl.pl (rh@arka.mtl.pl [195.116.4.4]) by arka.mtl.pl (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA28597; Fri, 16 May 1997 11:26:25 GMT Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 11:26:24 +0000 () From: Robert Heron To: spork cc: William Bulley , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, jjudge@usr.com, support@usr.com Subject: Re: radius, usr total control and freebsd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 May 1997, spork wrote: > If anyone has info on Radius and USR Total Control, I'd love to hear from > them as well... We just bought a whole bunch of these, and I hate the > thought of buying a Sparc or NT (yechhhh) machine to run the USR modded > Radius. I have exactly the same problem. We've bought USR Total Control Hub and would like to manage user's accounts via radius. I've heard from the compay that had installed our TCH that the only radius server working with USR TCH is the one from USR. They tried some radius server under Linux, but it didn't work properly. It really would be very nice to have radius under FreeBSD for USR TCH and other UNIX systems. Robert From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 16 02:44:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA19517 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 02:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA19512 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 02:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA03573; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:40:04 +0100 Message-ID: <337C2B73.ABD322C@cablenet.net> Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:40:03 +0100 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: spork CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: radius, usr total control and freebsd References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk spork wrote: > > If anyone has info on Radius and USR Total Control, I'd love to hear from > them as well... We just bought a whole bunch of these, and I hate the > thought of buying a Sparc or NT (yechhhh) machine to run the USR modded > Radius. Let me get this straight; you bought a load of USR kit when for half the price you could have bought Livingston PM3. What's worse you can't use it. So you paid twice the price for kit you can't use. hhmmm.... which business college did you go to ? Actually I know that the USR NetServers will work with a radius server running on a linux/freebsd platform built from livingston source, but I suppose that USR presume that if you are dumb enough to waste money on their kit then you are probably dumb enough to believe their marketing tripe and waste another $5,000 on a version of their 'special' radius server for freebsd. Interoperability ??? what does that mean ???? ...nah I don't think I should use that as a criteria when considering what kit to buy!!!! regards damian OK I admit this was a little facetious but I cannot see a valid reason why people would buy USR kit, I can only assume that you bought more on market brand than on research into available products. What's worse you probably can't get your money back. Even if I was foolish enough to buy USR in the first place I would tell them to get it working with my "INDUSTRY STANDARD" Livingston radius server otherwise the kit would be returned for a full refund (that's why we try to pay for everything by credit card). -- * PIAB - PoP In A Box - the total solution for ISPs, with more features * than a Constable landscape, and very cheap too!! * http://www.cablenet.net/cablenet/popinabox/ * Damian Hamill damian@cablenet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 16 03:36:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA21195 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 03:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eterna.binary.net (eterna.binary.net [205.183.56.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA21180 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 03:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from matrix.binary.net (yura@matrix.binary.net [205.183.56.2]) by eterna.binary.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA15245; Fri, 16 May 1997 06:01:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from yura@localhost) by matrix.binary.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA28910; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:44:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Yura Socolov Message-Id: <199705161044.FAA28910@matrix.binary.net> Subject: Re: radius, usr total control and freebsd In-Reply-To: <337C2B73.ABD322C@cablenet.net> from Damian Hamill at "May 16, 97 10:40:03 am" To: damian@cablenet.net (Damian Hamill) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 05:44:12 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > OK I admit this was a little facetious but I cannot see a valid reason > why people would buy USR kit, I can only assume that you bought more on > What are you answering to your users, asking when will the 56k access be available? And to those who have bought pretty damn expensive upgrades for their sportsters, and now want x2, because even america onhold has already got it and want access "now!" or else. No, i'm not advocating USR, as a matter of fact it sucks[1], but let's face the reality. And besides, both Mega^H^H^H^HLivingston and USR say they are going to support whatever becomes the standard in 56k. -- yu [1] Not only does the damn thing come without software, needed to use all the features, it takes more than 24 hours of telephone calls to get the key to get the software off of their web site, and you still can't use it. [2] [2] Because the card that is responsible for the sanity of the whole thing and smooth interoperability of all hot-swappable components appeared to be with broken NVRAM, that wouldn't hold any settings. Fortunately they did agree to overnight a replacement. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 16 04:49:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA23766 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 04:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA23761 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 04:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA17730; Fri, 16 May 1997 04:49:21 -0700 (PDT) To: Yura Socolov cc: damian@cablenet.net (Damian Hamill), freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: radius, usr total control and freebsd In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 May 1997 05:44:12 CDT." <199705161044.FAA28910@matrix.binary.net> Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 04:49:19 -0700 Message-ID: <17726.863783359@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > What are you answering to your users, asking when will the 56k access be > available? And to those who have bought pretty damn expensive upgrades > for their sportsters, and now want x2, because even america onhold has > already got it and want access "now!" or else. Actually, this is a really bad time to make a committment to 56K. Ascend and Cisco, both notable players in this game, aren't backing X2 at all - they're backing the FLEX standard and Ascend is even offering their Flex upgrades for free, something which is sure to get them into many places just as their aggressive ISP equipment loan deals did. Having Rockwell and AT&T behind the FLEX standard is also nothing to sneeze at, and Compuserve has already gone over to the new 56K standard. Of course, it's entirely incompatible with X2. Ultimately, of course, there will be solutions which are compatible with both, but do you really want to make the investment now? > And besides, both Mega^H^H^H^HLivingston and USR say they are going to > support whatever becomes the standard in 56k. Sure they are. And they'll be happy to take more of your money when the time comes to upgrade to this new standard, too. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 16 05:31:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA25336 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA25327; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (shovey@buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA21159; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:30:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve To: spork cc: William Bulley , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, jjudge@usr.com, support@usr.com Subject: Re: radius, usr total control and freebsd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 May 1997, spork wrote: > If anyone has info on Radius and USR Total Control, I'd love to hear from > them as well... We just bought a whole bunch of these, and I hate the > thought of buying a Sparc or NT (yechhhh) machine to run the USR modded > Radius. > > Of course, for $5000-ish, they'll compile me a FBSD version, the > salesperson says. Pretty dumb marketing if you ask me; what do they have > to lose by following the lead of Ascend, Livingston, and Xylogics in > giving out source code to something that only works with a product you've > already bought from them... > The books says it will run with merit - but I havent gotten past the red tape of just getting the frikin x2 code I purchased and the damn snmp control software - they do not make it easy and Im >< close to sending the hardware back for a refund. > Charles > > On Thu, 15 May 1997, William Bulley wrote: > > > According to Steve: > > > > > > Anyone successfully using merit radius from the ports collection on > > > freebsd with the usr total control network hub? > > > > > > Im having some trouble and could use some help. > > > > Last time I checked the ports collection contained a very old version > > of the Merit server. I have built our server on 2.1.5 without problem. > > > > Regards, > > > > web... > > > > -- > > William Bulley, N8NXN Senior Systems Research Programmer > > Merit Network, Inc. Email: web@merit.edu > > 4251 Plymouth Road, Suite C Phone: (313) 764-9993 > > Ann Arbor, Michigan 48105-2785 Fax: (313) 647-3185 > > > > [ What's all the fuss over the end of the century with mission critial ] > > [ programs failing due to dates? If people simply started using Roman ] > > [ Numerials the problem vanishes! MCM = 1900 MCMXCIX = 1999 MM = 2000 ] > > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 16 05:39:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA25816 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA25809 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (shovey@buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA21264; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:38:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve To: Damian Hamill cc: spork , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: radius, usr total control and freebsd In-Reply-To: <337C2B73.ABD322C@cablenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk No need to call names - its not helpful and not becoming of an adult. We bought what we bought based on the number of clients who asked for it. On Fri, 16 May 1997, Damian Hamill wrote: > spork wrote: > > > > If anyone has info on Radius and USR Total Control, I'd love to hear from > > them as well... We just bought a whole bunch of these, and I hate the > > thought of buying a Sparc or NT (yechhhh) machine to run the USR modded > > Radius. > > Let me get this straight; you bought a load of USR kit when for half the > price you could have bought Livingston PM3. What's worse you can't use > it. So you paid twice the price for kit you can't use. > > hhmmm.... which business college did you go to ? > > Actually I know that the USR NetServers will work with a radius server > running on a linux/freebsd platform built from livingston source, but I > suppose that USR presume that if you are dumb enough to waste money on > their kit then you are probably dumb enough to believe their marketing > tripe and waste another $5,000 on a version of their 'special' radius > server for freebsd. > > Interoperability ??? what does that mean ???? ...nah I don't think I > should use that as a criteria when considering what kit to buy!!!! > > regards > damian > > OK I admit this was a little facetious but I cannot see a valid reason > why people would buy USR kit, I can only assume that you bought more on > market brand than on research into available products. What's worse you > probably can't get your money back. Even if I was foolish enough to buy > USR in the first place I would tell them to get it working with my > "INDUSTRY STANDARD" Livingston radius server otherwise the kit would be > returned for a full refund (that's why we try to pay for everything by > credit card). > > -- > * PIAB - PoP In A Box - the total solution for ISPs, with more features > * than a Constable landscape, and very cheap too!! > * http://www.cablenet.net/cablenet/popinabox/ > * Damian Hamill damian@cablenet.net > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 16 05:43:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA26073 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA26063 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (shovey@buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA21394; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:42:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Yura Socolov , Damian Hamill , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: radius, usr total control and freebsd In-Reply-To: <17726.863783359@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Ultimately, of course, there will be solutions which are compatible > with both, but do you really want to make the investment now? > I have 12 competitors in the area who are. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 16 06:03:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA27090 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 06:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA27074 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 06:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA15271; Fri, 16 May 1997 06:04:04 -0700 (PDT) To: Steve cc: Yura Socolov , Damian Hamill , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: radius, usr total control and freebsd In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 May 1997 08:42:55 EDT." Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 06:04:02 -0700 Message-ID: <15259.863787842@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > Ultimately, of course, there will be solutions which are compatible > > with both, but do you really want to make the investment now? > > > > I have 12 competitors in the area who are. Heh. And I can probably name 20 ISPs here in the Bay Area who are all right now in the process of going broke through price-war tactics and "$19.95 a month, flat rate!" deals which, without "upsell potential" (e.g. upgrading the dialin customers to more lucrative ISDN or co-lo arrangements), are merely a recipe for going broke. My point is simply that, to paraphrase the old "if your brother jumped off a bridge, would you too?" line of mothers everywhere, a lot of ISPs are currently jumping off bridges in pursuit of their competition and if I see half as many ISPs roaming around this time next year, I'll be both surprised and impressed. I'm not saying that x2 is not ultimately the best deal, I'm simply saying that such decisions need to be made carefully and without undue haste. This market is too new for anyone to have a realistic valuation of it, and that's dangerous. Jordan From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 16 06:08:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA27379 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 06:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.mexcom.net (root@ns.mexcom.net [206.103.64.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA27374 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 06:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunix (eculp@sunix.mexcom.net [206.103.64.3]) by ns.mexcom.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA19635; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:08:05 -0500 Message-ID: <337C5C27.A3EFE2F@mexcom.net> Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:07:51 -0500 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates, S.C. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.14 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xiyuan qian CC: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: proxy host with ppp dialin References: <199705161616.QAA28393@npc.haplink.co.cn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk xiyuan qian wrote: > > Hi, I have installed a host running FreeBSD2.1.5 and it can dial out to the > Internet. Yes, it can get one static IP address. But, there is a LAN with the > host and I have no more IP addresses. Is there any method that can make the > host act as a proxy host to bring all the LAN to Internet. I mean, when the > host dial out, all the PCs locates at the same LAN with the host can visit > Internet too. > > Best regaurds! > > --xiyuan One easy and practical way would be to install squid as a proxy/cache that would also optimize your bandwidth utilization. http://squid.nlanr.net/Squid/ Provecho Ed From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 16 07:22:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA00286 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 07:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA00281 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 07:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dialup-usr11.etinc.com (dialup-usr11.etinc.com [204.141.95.132]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA05652; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970516101616.00c13634@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:16:20 -0400 To: Jim Shankland From: dennis Subject: Re: interface card to connect 64k..256k to connect to internet Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 01:50 PM 5/15/97 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks to all for the feedback on this; it's been illuminating. My >take is that the case for the quad-sync card at an ISP or a corporat >headquarters is stronger than that for the single-sync card in a >remote-office or ISP-customer setting. Price certainly is a factor, >and personally, at $1K for a PCI-based, single-T1 card, I find it a >hard sell compared to a Pipeline 130 with an integrated CSU *and* a >BRI port for, say, $1300. (And I can't say that I found derisive >quote marks around the word "handle" in "handle a T1", or references >to brands of automobiles, persuasive.) Well, you know what they say..."you can't educate the woodchucks"... Thanks for sharing your intellectual findings with us! Based on what you've said I think that we will discontinue all of our single port products because there is clearly no market for them. :-) Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 16 07:26:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA00447 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 07:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA00439 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 07:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dialup-usr11.etinc.com (dialup-usr11.etinc.com [204.141.95.132]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA05678 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970516101901.00c14064@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:19:04 -0400 To: isp@freebsd.org From: dennis Subject: Re: interface card to connect 64k..256k to connect to internet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 01:50 PM 5/15/97 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks to all for the feedback on this; it's been illuminating. My >take is that the case for the quad-sync card at an ISP or a corporat >headquarters is stronger than that for the single-sync card in a >remote-office or ISP-customer setting. Price certainly is a factor, >and personally, at $1K for a PCI-based, single-T1 card, I find it a >hard sell compared to a Pipeline 130 with an integrated CSU *and* a >BRI port for, say, $1300. (And I can't say that I found derisive >quote marks around the word "handle" in "handle a T1", or references >to brands of automobiles, persuasive.) Why would you want a PCI card for a 56k or 256k link? The $500. ISA card is designed to compete with the low end solutions you're talking about... you're not even comparing apples to apples. db From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 16 07:33:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA00896 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 07:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA00891 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 07:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dialup-usr11.etinc.com (dialup-usr11.etinc.com [204.141.95.132]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA05721; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970516102635.00685888@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:26:38 -0400 To: Bradley Dunn From: dennis Subject: Re: interface card to connect 64k..256k to connect to internet Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 07:26 PM 5/15/97 -0400, you wrote: >On Thu, 15 May 1997, dennis wrote: > >> Well...the math isnt QUITE that easy, as you'd need a special MB >> with more than 4 PCI slots to do this....but I dont think that the original > >Sure it is. :) > >ASUS P6NP5 w/ 150-MHz Pentium Pro: $435 (5 PCI slots) >2 x 32MB 60ns 72-pin parity RAM: $418 >Generic ISA video: $35 >Intel Etherexpress Pro 10/100 PCI: $79 >Case + Power: $50 >3.5" Floppy: $24 >Adaptec ISA SCSI controller: $129 >1GB Seagate SCSI: $249 > ---- > $1419 + Shipping < $2000 Does this MB have a PCI-PCI bridge? 5 slots is out of spec...I wouldn't run my main router on this MB with 5 network cards. You know there IS a reason that you dont see more than 4 slots in a box....... Plus...I wouldn't use an ISA bus-mastering SCSI on a PCI box, particularly with 5 network cards. The mechanics are ugly and you'd be much better off using the PCI IDE...its much more efficient and you dont need much disk throughput on a router..... Anyone know of any all-pci (with a PCI-PCI bridge) MBs? Are these supported in Freebsd? Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 16 07:44:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA01503 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 07:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA01496 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 07:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA05025; Fri, 16 May 1997 15:41:47 +0100 Message-ID: <337C722A.237C228A@cablenet.net> Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 15:41:46 +0100 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yura Socolov CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: radius, usr total control and freebsd References: <199705161044.FAA28910@matrix.binary.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yura Socolov wrote: > > > OK I admit this was a little facetious but I cannot see a valid reason > > why people would buy USR kit, I can only assume that you bought more on > > > What are you answering to your users, asking when will the 56k access be > available? And to those who have bought pretty damn expensive upgrades > for their sportsters, and now want x2, because even america onhold has > already got it and want access "now!" or else. I say it will be available when the "Industry Standard" solution is available. Nobody has signed of yet because of this. The very VERY last thing I was going to do was fall for the USR x2 "sign up now so you get the first releases" bullshit that they sent out to all ISPs. regards damian -- * PIAB - PoP In A Box - the total solution for ISPs, with more features * than a Constable landscape, and very cheap too!! * http://www.cablenet.net/cablenet/popinabox/ * Damian Hamill damian@cablenet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 16 07:58:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA02021 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 07:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA02016 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 07:58:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from batie@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA21353; Fri, 16 May 1997 07:57:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Batie Message-Id: <199705161457.HAA21353@agora.rdrop.com> Subject: Re: radius, usr total control and freebsd To: yura@binary.net (Yura Socolov) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 07:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: damian@cablenet.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199705161044.FAA28910@matrix.binary.net> from "Yura Socolov" at May 16, 97 05:44:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > What are you answering to your users, asking when will the 56k access be > available? Like most others, USR's aburd claims to the contrary, I explain how it works. That's usually sufficient. -- Alan Batie ______ It's not my fault! It's some guy batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / named "General Protection"! +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Ratbert PGP FP: DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 \/ 7A 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 16 08:14:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA02863 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.denverweb.net (root@sdn-ts-003coauroP14.dialsprint.net [206.133.160.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA02858 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion (blaine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.denverweb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02205 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:21:47 -0600 Message-ID: <337C7B8B.58DCB2C3@denverweb.net> Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:21:47 -0600 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freeBSD.org Subject: Re: radius, usr total control and freebsd References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Steve wrote: > > > > > Ultimately, of course, there will be solutions which are compatible > > with both, but do you really want to make the investment now? > > > > I have 12 competitors in the area who are. So, how exactly are they doing it? You could always duplicate what they are doing... WIN NT Server, etc. just measure the cost of keeping them against the lost revenues. You may loose a few customers to the competition in the short run, but put some numbers on it. We all have customers who say they want XXX, three days after it is announced, but not enough to justify the expense involved at this point in time. It's just like when 28.8 first came out. MOST customers did NOT have it. Sure some wanted it, but running out and buying anything the customer says they want can make you broke and give you ulcers every month the PC Magazines announce the latest technology. My experiance is that those who have to have the latest and greatest are also the biggest support nightmares when things do not work according to the marketing brochures, ( and it's YOUR fault. ) and spend the greatest amount of time online, etc. Let the competition have some of them. That way they get the most resource intensive users, and the headaches. Measure the bottom line of this so called "upgrade"... From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 16 09:03:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA05208 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aries.bb.cc.wa.us ([208.8.136.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05199 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by aries.bb.cc.wa.us (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA13054; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:47:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Coleman To: Robert Heron cc: Nate Williams , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Small office needs more serial lines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 16 May 1997, Robert Heron wrote: > > > On Thu, 15 May 1997, Nate Williams wrote: > > > What cards are supported under FreeBSD 2.1.7? I don't want to upgrade > > the box because it's been heavily tweaked for local configuration, and I > > don't have the time nor the desire to beta-test 2.2 on a box that has > > 6-9 month uptimes. > > I have experience with ISA 8-port PC-COM and AXIOM UART 16550A cards. > They work on single interrupt and cause no problems. I suppose, that > any UART 16550A based card should work with FreeBSD. The only thing to do > is to setup switches and configure kernel. > > Robert > We use a BOCA 16 port box (Don't use the 8 port BOCA) on FBSD 2.1.7-RELEASE and it works very well. Just have to make a few changes in /etc/ttys /etc/rc.local and recompile a new kernel with options COM_MULTIPORT and the new devices. We have been using this for over a year. p.s. I would buy all the same kind of modems. We had trouble when we mixed different kinds of modems on the same box. It could have been something different, but pulling the two odd ones off and using them elsewhere seemed to be the easiest solution. Christopher J. Coleman (chris@aries.bb.cc.wa.us) Computer Support Technician I (509)-766-8873 Big Bend Community College Internet Instructor FreeBSD Book Project: http://vinyl.quickweb.com/~chrisc/book.html Disclaimer: Even Though it has My Name on it, Doesn't mean I said it. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 16 09:12:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA05614 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com [206.14.52.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05609 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jas@localhost) by biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00324; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:13:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199705161613.JAA00324@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> To: dennis@etinc.com Subject: Re: interface card to connect 64k..256k to connect to internet Cc: isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk dennis writes: > Well, you know what they say..."you can't educate the woodchucks"... > > Thanks for sharing your intellectual findings with us! Based on what > you've said I think that we will discontinue all of our single port > products because there is clearly no market for them. Thanks again for the additional feedback. This tells me a great deal. Jim Shankland Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 16 09:14:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA05741 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aries.bb.cc.wa.us ([208.8.136.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05733 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by aries.bb.cc.wa.us (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA14315; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:08:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Coleman To: Edwin Culp cc: xiyuan qian , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: proxy host with ppp dialin In-Reply-To: <337C5C27.A3EFE2F@mexcom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 16 May 1997, Edwin Culp wrote: > xiyuan qian wrote: > > > > Hi, I have installed a host running FreeBSD2.1.5 and it can dial out to the > > Internet. Yes, it can get one static IP address. But, there is a LAN with the > > host and I have no more IP addresses. Is there any method that can make the > > host act as a proxy host to bring all the LAN to Internet. I mean, when the > > host dial out, all the PCs locates at the same LAN with the host can visit > > Internet too. > > > > Best regaurds! > > > > --xiyuan > One easy and practical way would be to install squid as a proxy/cache > that > would also optimize your bandwidth utilization. > http://squid.nlanr.net/Squid/ > Provecho > Ed > Or look at IPFilter. It has a NAT capabilities that would allow you to assign VIRTUAL ip addresses to the other machines and use the FBSD machine as the GATEWAY. http://coombs.anu.edu.au/ipfilter/ Christopher J. Coleman (chris@aries.bb.cc.wa.us) Computer Support Technician I (509)-766-8873 Big Bend Community College Internet Instructor FreeBSD Book Project: http://vinyl.quickweb.com/~chrisc/book.html Disclaimer: Even Though it has My Name on it, Doesn't mean I said it. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 16 13:05:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16704 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 13:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16687 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 13:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (shovey@buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA25139; Fri, 16 May 1997 16:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:04:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve To: Blaine Minazzi cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: radius, usr total control and freebsd In-Reply-To: <337C7B8B.58DCB2C3@denverweb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 16 May 1997, Blaine Minazzi wrote: > Steve wrote: > > > > > > > > Ultimately, of course, there will be solutions which are compatible > > > with both, but do you really want to make the investment now? > > > > > > > I have 12 competitors in the area who are. > > So, how exactly are they doing it? Most of my competitors are hostile ones because we have the bulk of market share in this area. In any event, I got it worked out. I want all ports straight PPP only, so setting up with the merit radius port of 2.2 (but I compiled it on 2.1) works just fine! Thanx for all the feedback! From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 16 23:27:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA10823 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 23:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from red.jnx.com (red.jnx.com [208.197.169.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA10818 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 23:27:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chimp.jnx.com (chimp.jnx.com [208.197.169.6]) by red.jnx.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA26871; Fri, 16 May 1997 23:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tli@localhost) by chimp.jnx.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id XAA09162; Fri, 16 May 1997 23:26:27 -0700 (PDT) To: Bradley Dunn cc: isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: interface card to connect 64k..256k to connect to internet References: <3.0.32.19970515162022.00a36f00@etinc.com> From: Tony Li Date: 16 May 1997 23:26:27 -0700 In-Reply-To: bradley@dunn.org's message of 15 May 97 23:26:37 GMT Message-ID: <82aflu7gx8.fsf@chimp.jnx.com> Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk bradley@dunn.org (Bradley Dunn) writes: > ASUS P6NP5 w/ 150-MHz Pentium Pro: $435 (5 PCI slots) > Intel Etherexpress Pro 10/100 PCI: $79 > > Now the question of at what point this router will saturate the PCI bus is > more interesting... That particular combination can't saturate it. In fact, even if you fill the PCI bus with 4xT1 cards, you have plenty of bandwidth: 4XT1 = 4x(1.5Mbpsx2) = 12Mbps 4 cards@12Mbps = 48Mbps 1x 10/100 = 100Mbps Total=148Mbps. PCI can (and does) deliver up to 500Mbps. The real question is when does FreeBSD get in the way... Tony From owner-freebsd-isp Sat May 17 07:29:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA25346 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 07:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA25341 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 07:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ntws (db@ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA15065; Sat, 17 May 1997 10:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970517102841.00b2d9e0@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 10:28:45 -0400 To: Tony Li , Bradley Dunn From: dennis Subject: Re: interface card to connect 64k..256k to connect to internet Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:26 PM 5/16/97 -0700, Tony Li wrote: >bradley@dunn.org (Bradley Dunn) writes: > >> ASUS P6NP5 w/ 150-MHz Pentium Pro: $435 (5 PCI slots) >> Intel Etherexpress Pro 10/100 PCI: $79 >> >> Now the question of at what point this router will saturate the PCI bus is >> more interesting... > >That particular combination can't saturate it. In fact, even if you fill >the PCI bus with 4xT1 cards, you have plenty of bandwidth: > >4XT1 = 4x(1.5Mbpsx2) = 12Mbps >4 cards@12Mbps = 48Mbps >1x 10/100 = 100Mbps > >Total=148Mbps. PCI can (and does) deliver up to 500Mbps. Of course we were talking about 4 QUAD T1 cards, but you can do the math.... ISA can handle 6 T1 lines in practice...and worst case PCI is 8 times faster, usually MUCH better than that. The difference is that with ISA, it IS the limiting factor, with PCI, its the OS processing as you pps get very high that is the limiting factor. Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Sat May 17 11:54:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06249 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 11:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [204.178.32.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06244 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 11:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA04265; Sat, 17 May 1997 15:02:14 GMT Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 15:02:14 +0000 (GMT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Damian Hamill cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: radius, usr total control and freebsd In-Reply-To: <337C2B73.ABD322C@cablenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 16 May 1997, Damian Hamill wrote: > Let me get this straight; you bought a load of USR kit when for half the > price you could have bought Livingston PM3. What's worse you can't use > it. So you paid twice the price for kit you can't use. WHoa whoa whoa! I just work here! I don't get to do fun things like buying the nicest product I can find... I looked at the PM3 after seeing all the glowing comments about it, and it seemed like the best bang for the buck. The Money Man (tm) however, is into deal-making, and the Livingston folks are just too boring for him... > > hhmmm.... which business college did you go to ? > > Actually I know that the USR NetServers will work with a radius server > running on a linux/freebsd platform built from livingston source, but I > suppose that USR presume that if you are dumb enough to waste money on > their kit then you are probably dumb enough to believe their marketing > tripe and waste another $5,000 on a version of their 'special' radius > server for freebsd. "Special" is an overstatement. All the punks did was add some options for menuing and a few little proprietary configs. > Interoperability ??? what does that mean ???? ...nah I don't think I > should use that as a criteria when considering what kit to buy!!!! Comeon. Everyone loves open standards, but I just am not allowed to buy what I want.... > regards > damian > > OK I admit this was a little facetious but I cannot see a valid reason > why people would buy USR kit, I can only assume that you bought more on > market brand than on research into available products. What's worse you > probably can't get your money back. Even if I was foolish enough to buy > USR in the first place I would tell them to get it working with my > "INDUSTRY STANDARD" Livingston radius server otherwise the kit would be > returned for a full refund (that's why we try to pay for everything by > credit card). > > -- > * PIAB - PoP In A Box - the total solution for ISPs, with more features > * than a Constable landscape, and very cheap too!! > * http://www.cablenet.net/cablenet/popinabox/ > * Damian Hamill damian@cablenet.net > From owner-freebsd-isp Sat May 17 13:35:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA09925 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 13:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA09917 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 13:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Wicked.eaznet.com ([206.62.254.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01617 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 13:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eddie ([206.62.254.25]) by Wicked.eaznet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA09817 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 13:37:51 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <337EB648.7E77@eaznet.com> Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 00:56:56 -0700 From: Eddie Fry Organization: Creative Solutions X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freebsd.com Subject: Livingston vs. USR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hey, We're currently looking into a USR Total Control. I can't seem to find a decent "wholesale" vendor for Livingston. The retail cost of a Total Control ISP Bundle with T-1 card, 24 modem ports, SW, etc is 21,780. I can get it much cheaper than that from Tech Data and Anixter. Where are the best deals for Livingston? None of my vendors (I also operate a network consulting business) seem to carry them.:( Thanks for any info. Eddie From owner-freebsd-isp Sat May 17 14:18:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA12168 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 14:18:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12159 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 14:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.i1.net (root@mail1.i1.net [207.230.32.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01898 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 14:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.i1.net (tbrown@mail1.i1.net [207.230.32.4]) by mail1.i1.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA02015; Sat, 17 May 1997 16:17:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 16:17:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Timothy Brown To: Eddie Fry cc: isp@freebsd.com Subject: Re: Livingston vs. USR In-Reply-To: <337EB648.7E77@eaznet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk # We're currently looking into a USR Total Control. I can't seem to find # a decent "wholesale" vendor for Livingston. The retail cost of a Total # Control ISP Bundle with T-1 card, 24 modem ports, SW, etc is 21,780. I # can get it much cheaper than that from Tech Data and Anixter. Where are # the best deals for Livingston? None of my vendors (I also operate a # network consulting business) seem to carry them.:( This doesn't answer your question, but if you are a member of the ISP/C, you can get a 48% discount on Livingston equipment (an additional $1000 or more off a fully loaded PM-3). Just a thought. -- Timothy Brown Founder and Chairman, ISP/C http://www.ispc.org/ From owner-freebsd-isp Sat May 17 14:18:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA12218 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 14:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12213 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 14:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oak.alpine.net (oak.alpine.net [208.138.51.132]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01902 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 14:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rh@localhost) by oak.alpine.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) id OAA23751; Sat, 17 May 1997 14:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 14:20:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hodges To: Eddie Fry cc: isp@freebsd.com Subject: Re: Livingston vs. USR In-Reply-To: <337EB648.7E77@eaznet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 18 May 1997, Eddie Fry wrote: > We're currently looking into a USR Total Control. I can't seem to find > a decent "wholesale" vendor for Livingston. The retail cost of a Total > Control ISP Bundle with T-1 card, 24 modem ports, SW, etc is 21,780. I > can get it much cheaper than that from Tech Data and Anixter. Where are > the best deals for Livingston? None of my vendors (I also operate a > network consulting business) seem to carry them.:( Why bother looking for a "wholesale" price? Livingston will sell you a Portmaster 3 with 1 PRI & 24 digital modems for $9500. Or get the 2 PRI model with 48 digital modems for $17000... You can use the ports for both 33.6 (free 56k upgrade) and ISDN. If you join the ISP/C, you save about another 5% off the price. see: www.livingston.com/Marketing/Products/ispprice.shtml www.ispc.org All the best, -Richard -------------------------------------------- Richard Hodges | (702) 888-3000 Alpine Internet | 400 Fairview Drive rh@alpine.net | Carson City, NV 89701 member, ISP/C From owner-freebsd-isp Sat May 17 14:32:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA13067 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 14:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13059 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 14:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [207.90.181.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01932 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 14:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (ulf@gatekeeper.Lamb.net [207.90.181.2]) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20644; Sat, 17 May 1997 14:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (8.8.5/8.7.6) id OAA11172; Sat, 17 May 1997 14:32:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199705172132.OAA11172@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> Subject: Re: Livingston vs. USR In-Reply-To: <337EB648.7E77@eaznet.com> from Eddie Fry at "May 18, 97 00:56:56 am" To: eddie@eaznet.com (Eddie Fry) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 14:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Cc: isp@freebsd.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Call Livingston direct. They have decent ISP programs. > Hey, > > We're currently looking into a USR Total Control. I can't seem to find > a decent "wholesale" vendor for Livingston. The retail cost of a Total > Control ISP Bundle with T-1 card, 24 modem ports, SW, etc is 21,780. I > can get it much cheaper than that from Tech Data and Anixter. Where are > the best deals for Livingston? None of my vendors (I also operate a > network consulting business) seem to carry them.:( > > Thanks for any info. > > Eddie > > Ulf. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 From owner-freebsd-isp Sat May 17 14:47:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA14522 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 14:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from red.jnx.com (red.jnx.com [208.197.169.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14517 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 14:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chimp.jnx.com (chimp.jnx.com [208.197.169.6]) by red.jnx.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20852; Sat, 17 May 1997 14:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tli@localhost) by chimp.jnx.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id OAA11943; Sat, 17 May 1997 14:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 14:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705172146.OAA11943@chimp.jnx.com> From: Tony Li To: dennis@etinc.com CC: bradley@dunn.org, isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <3.0.32.19970517102841.00b2d9e0@etinc.com> (message from dennis on Sat, 17 May 1997 10:28:45 -0400) Subject: Re: interface card to connect 64k..256k to connect to internet Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >4XT1 = 4x(1.5Mbpsx2) = 12Mbps >4 cards@12Mbps = 48Mbps >1x 10/100 = 100Mbps > >Total=148Mbps. PCI can (and does) deliver up to 500Mbps. Of course we were talking about 4 QUAD T1 cards, but you can do the math.... Dennis, look again, dude! I did. Really. ;-) I _should_ have noted that if you have the 100BaseT in full duplex, then it's 248Mbps. Yawn. It would be very interesting to see even higher density T1 cards. I know of one 8xT1 card. I don't know of a FreeBSD driver for it tho. I wonder what could be done.... ;-) ISA can handle 6 T1 lines in practice...and worst case PCI is 8 times faster, usually MUCH better than that. The difference is that with ISA, it IS the limiting factor, with PCI, its the OS processing as you pps get very high that is the limiting factor. The other consideration is ISA configuration. For some folks, it's a non-starter. Tony From owner-freebsd-isp Sat May 17 15:44:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA18228 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 15:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA18223 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 15:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dialup-usr11.etinc.com (dialup-usr11.etinc.com [204.141.95.132]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA17877 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 18:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970517183820.00686aa8@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 18:38:30 -0400 To: isp@freebsd.org From: dennis Subject: Re: interface card to connect 64k..256k to connect to internet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 02:46 PM 5/17/97 -0700, Tony Li wrote: > > >4XT1 = 4x(1.5Mbpsx2) = 12Mbps > >4 cards@12Mbps = 48Mbps > >1x 10/100 = 100Mbps > > > >Total=148Mbps. PCI can (and does) deliver up to 500Mbps. > > Of course we were talking about 4 QUAD T1 cards, but you can > do the math.... > >Dennis, look again, dude! I did. Really. ;-) oops....missed that middle line! db > >I _should_ have noted that if you have the 100BaseT in full duplex, then >it's 248Mbps. Yawn. Of course it would be rather unreasonable to expect that a box with a single ethernet would be pushing through more that the aggregate bandwidth of the serial lines, considering that you wouldn't likely be using this router for any services. That should max out the Ethernet at 48Mbs if you had no serial-serial traffic. This implies that FreeBSD would have to be able to "route" 48Mbs, which is somewhere between 10,000 and 15,000 pps. Doable, I think. db From owner-freebsd-isp Sat May 17 16:17:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA18944 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 16:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18939 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 16:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA03027 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 16:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA09858; Sat, 17 May 1997 16:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 16:17:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Richard Hodges cc: Eddie Fry , isp@freebsd.com Subject: Re: Livingston vs. USR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Speaking about Linvingston Portmasters, are there any ISPs running FreeBSD that are reselling dialups from another vendor under their own name in California or have used PacWest Telecom which claims to be like you put a rack of modems and terminal server and a T1 connection to your NOC in Stockton, CA and those modems will be reacheable locally by your customers throughout the state? They claimed Concentric, InReach and CRL does it this way for their dialup locations. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Sat May 17 16:33:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA19344 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 16:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA19339 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 16:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [208.131.56.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA03057 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 16:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.calweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA29025; Sat, 17 May 1997 16:33:15 -0700 (PDT) X-SMTP: hello web1.calweb.com from rdugaue@calweb.com server rdugaue@web1.calweb.com ip 208.131.56.51 Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 16:33:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Du Gaue To: Eddie Fry cc: isp@freebsd.com Subject: Re: Livingston vs. USR In-Reply-To: <337EB648.7E77@eaznet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > We're currently looking into a USR Total Control. I can't seem to find > a decent "wholesale" vendor for Livingston. The retail cost of a Total > Control ISP Bundle with T-1 card, 24 modem ports, SW, etc is 21,780. I > can get it much cheaper than that from Tech Data and Anixter. Where are > the best deals for Livingston? None of my vendors (I also operate a > network consulting business) seem to carry them.:( We use Solunet. Very good people and prices. ====================================================== SOLUNET,Inc.... "Your Inter-Networking Partner" Specializing in: Livingston,Adtran,Ascend,U.S. Robotics,Cisco Systems Compatible Systems,Microcom,Motorola,Cray,Telebit,Shiva & Kentrox,ACC 1-800-795-2814,FAX:407-676-0809,EMAIL:mike@solunet.com > > Thanks for any info. > > Eddie > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Du Gaue - rdugaue@calweb.com http://www.calweb.com President, CalWeb Internet Services Inc. (916) 641-9320 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat May 17 22:47:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA11494 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 22:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA11481 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 22:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from radford.i-plus.net (root@Radford.i-Plus.net [206.99.237.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04743 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 22:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abyss (pitlord@Abyss.i-Plus.net [206.99.237.44]) by radford.i-plus.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA21526; Sun, 18 May 1997 01:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705180544.BAA21526@radford.i-plus.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: "Troy Settle" To: , "Eddie Fry" Subject: Re: Livingston vs. USR Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 01:47:36 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From: Eddie Fry >Hey, > >We're currently looking into a USR Total Control. I can't seem to find >a decent "wholesale" vendor for Livingston. The retail cost of a Total >Control ISP Bundle with T-1 card, 24 modem ports, SW, etc is 21,780. I >can get it much cheaper than that from Tech Data and Anixter. Where are >the best deals for Livingston? None of my vendors (I also operate a >network consulting business) seem to carry them.:( > >Thanks for any info. > >Eddie > Have you looked into Ascend? We've been using a Max 4004 for quite some time now, and have had 0 problems with it. Supposed to handle up to 4 T1/PRI lines, and either 72 or 96 digital modems (not sure if the 16 port cards are out yet) offering k56flex, ISDN, and maybe other connections as well (dedicated lines). -- Troy Settle Network Administrator, iPlus Internet Services http://www.i-Plus.net From owner-freebsd-isp Sat May 17 23:48:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA13989 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 23:48:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA13984 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 23:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [207.90.181.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA04863 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 23:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (ulf@gatekeeper.Lamb.net [207.90.181.2]) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA21481; Sat, 17 May 1997 23:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (8.8.5/8.7.6) id XAA15852; Sat, 17 May 1997 23:48:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199705180648.XAA15852@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> Subject: Re: Livingston vs. USR In-Reply-To: <199705180544.BAA21526@radford.i-plus.net> from Troy Settle at "May 18, 97 01:47:36 am" To: rewt@i-Plus.net (Troy Settle) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 23:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Cc: isp@freebsd.com, eddie@eaznet.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > From: Eddie Fry > > >Hey, > > > >We're currently looking into a USR Total Control. I can't seem to > find > >a decent "wholesale" vendor for Livingston. The retail cost of a > Total > >Control ISP Bundle with T-1 card, 24 modem ports, SW, etc is 21,780. > I > >can get it much cheaper than that from Tech Data and Anixter. Where > are > >the best deals for Livingston? None of my vendors (I also operate > a > >network consulting business) seem to carry them.:( > > > >Thanks for any info. > > > >Eddie > > > Urgs. If you like command line interfaces, DO NOT buy a Descend. I have a 4002 and would like to get rid of it as soon as possible. I tried several 5.0A releases and have with all trouble (and that even I am on the same CO as Ascend themself). > Have you looked into Ascend? We've been using a Max 4004 for quite > some time now, and have had 0 problems with it. Supposed to handle > up to 4 T1/PRI lines, and either 72 or 96 digital modems (not sure if > the 16 port cards are out yet) offering k56flex, ISDN, and maybe > other connections as well (dedicated lines). > > -- > Troy Settle > Network Administrator, iPlus Internet Services > http://www.i-Plus.net > > Ulf. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073