From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Jul 20 18:20:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA13103 for mobile-outgoing; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 18:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA13093 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 18:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA19795; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:50:21 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707210120.KAA19795@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: polling in sio.c In-Reply-To: <199707170936.TAA28636@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from Marko Schuetz at "Jul 17, 97 11:36:40 am" To: marko@ki.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de (Marko Schuetz) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:50:21 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, marko@kiste-5.ki.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de, pw@snoopy.mv.com, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Marko Schuetz stands accused of saying: > > I have a laptop running the PAO kernel, only because from the > documentation I had it seemed to be the only way to get support for > apm and pccards. Is this not correct? No. > If not then what exactly is the difference between PAO and non-PAO > kernels? Their kernel contains their extra code. This affects the APM interface, the PCCARD interface, and some drivers. > What are those devices supported by PAO which are not supported by > the mainstream kernel? I would suggest reading their patches to see what their current state of play is, and/or visiting their webpage. On the whole, the basic stuff is covered by the standard kernel. There is a shortage of time and resources when it comes to integrating the Nomads' code into the base system. > Marko -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Jul 20 19:07:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA15177 for mobile-outgoing; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 19:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA15172 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 19:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA20182; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:37:26 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707210207.LAA20182@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: polling in sio.c In-Reply-To: <199707171442.KAA00224@snoopy.mv.com> from Paul Werkowski at "Jul 17, 97 10:42:46 am" To: pw@snoopy.mv.com (Paul Werkowski) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:37:26 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry for the delay in replying here. Work. Argh. Paul Werkowski stands accused of saying: > > | > Card inserted, slot 0 > | > sio2: Warning: irq_pending error1. <<< first one in sio.c > | > | Er, you must be using the PAO kernel. I don't recommend this unless > | you need it for something else; the pccard support in the standard > | kernels is good enough for this. I don't actually know what this is > | meant to be, but I suspect it's the "didn't generate interrupt" error. > | > | I went to PAO because I couldn't get anywhere with the standard > | code -- but maybe I was making different mistakes then. I could > | try reverting back. I find the sio code a bit hard to follow, but > > So, I upgraded to a stock 2.2.2 kernel. Now I see from dmesg.. > > apm0 on isa > apm: found APM BIOS version 1.1 > PC-Card Intel 82365 (5 mem & 2 I/O windows) > pcic: controller irq 3 > Card inserted, slot 0 > sio2: probe test 3 failed > Return IRQ=5 > Card removed, slot 0 > > Hmm, seems that when I upgraded my office box from 2.1 to 2.2.1 > an internal Black Box modem that had always worked swell suddenly > started failing the probe. I don't have that modem installed right > now, but I had set the flag that enables verbose printout in the > probe and I seem to remember that "sio2: probe test 3 failed" > message coming out. I wonder if something broke going from > 2.1 to 2.2? Nah, probably not. It's always possible. You can set flags to 0x180 and see if ignoring test 3 results in a working modem. Normally I wouldn't recommend using such a device, as broken hardware isn't the most dependable of things, but you should be able to get away with it OK. > Paul -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Jul 20 21:02:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA20152 for mobile-outgoing; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 21:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.kornet.nm.kr (mail.kornet.nm.kr [168.126.63.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA20147 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 21:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kuccgx.korea.ac.kr (kuccgx.korea.ac.kr [163.152.1.1]) by mail.kornet.nm.kr (8.6.12h2/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA17632; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 13:02:09 +0900 Received: from netlab.korea.ac.kr by kuccgx.korea.ac.kr (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA06339; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:55:19 +0900 Received: from hwlee.korea.ac.kr ([163.152.40.60]) by netlab.korea.ac.kr.korea.ac.kr (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA11842; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:55:56 +0900 Message-Id: <9707210355.AA11842@netlab.korea.ac.kr.korea.ac.kr> From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C0=CC=C7=FC=BF=EC?=" To: "Michael Smith" , "Marko Schuetz" Cc: , , , Subject: Re: polling in sio.c Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 13:03:35 +0900 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe ---------- > From: Michael Smith > To: Marko Schuetz > Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au; marko@kiste-5.ki.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de; pw@snoopy.mv.com; freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: polling in sio.c $)C > Date: 19973b 7?y 21@O ?y?d@O ?@@| 10:20 > > > Marko Schuetz stands accused of saying: > > > > I have a laptop running the PAO kernel, only because from the > > documentation I had it seemed to be the only way to get support for > > apm and pccards. Is this not correct? > > No. > > > If not then what exactly is the difference between PAO and non-PAO > > kernels? > > Their kernel contains their extra code. This affects the APM interface, > the PCCARD interface, and some drivers. > > > What are those devices supported by PAO which are not supported by > > the mainstream kernel? > > I would suggest reading their patches to see what their current state > of play is, and/or visiting their webpage. > > On the whole, the basic stuff is covered by the standard kernel. > There is a shortage of time and resources when it comes to integrating > the Nomads' code into the base system. > > > Marko > > -- > ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ > ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ > ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ > ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ > ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jul 22 03:05:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA20399 for mobile-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 03:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wormhole.starfleet.gov (root@ppp6168.la.inreach.net [199.107.160.168]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA20373; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 03:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from voyager.starfleet.gov (voyager.starfleet.gov [192.160.60.3]) by wormhole.starfleet.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5-STARFLEET) with ESMTP id DAA13247; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 03:05:35 -0700 Received: from localhost (dburr@localhost) by voyager.starfleet.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA01181; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 03:05:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: voyager.starfleet.gov: dburr owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 03:05:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Burr X-Sender: dburr@voyager.starfleet.gov To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Some questions about FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've been away from FreeBSD for a looong time (2.0.5 was the last version I worked with), but now I'm starting to regain interest. Someone gave me a 2.2.1 CD-ROM a few weeks ago, and just the other day, I picked up a 2.2.2 CD-ROM at a computer show. My goal is to junk what I am currently running (Linux) and run FreeBSD instead. But I have some questions and some concerns. Hopefully the wonderful people on this list can help me out by answering these. 1. One of the reasons why I have been running Linux is the fact that its PCMCIA support is much better, and in fact, Linux actually had PCMCIA support when FreeBSD did not. (One of the machines on my homebrew network is a laptop.) But I notice that FreeBSD's PCMCIA support seems to be improving. How good is the support in 2.2.2? 2. All of my other machines have fairly standard (i.e. fully supported) install media (CD-ROMs), except my Laptop. My laptop does have a SCSI CD-ROM (NEC 8x, uncertain of the model number), but my laptop doesn't have a built-in SCSI adapter. Yep -- you guessed it -- the SCSI adapter is a PCMCIA. I was looking at my older (2.2.1) CD-ROM and noticed the "boot-pao.flp" floppy image, which apparently allows you to install FreeBSD using PCMCIA media (ATAPI CD-ROMs, SCSI, etc.) But when I went to look for this on the 2.2.2 CD-ROM -- it wasn't there! All I found was the standard "boot.flp" is this capability no longer available, or is it built in to boot.flp? OR is it a separate package that I need to get somewhere else (if so, where?) 3. I'm not sure if my PCMCIA SCSI adapter is even supported. It is a New Media Toast'n'Jam (a combo SCSI/sound card), I believe it uses the "aha1520" (aic-something-or-other) driver. Can this controller be used with FreeBSD's PCMCIA support? 4. I also have a PCMCIA network adapter -- an IBM Home and Away. (This is a combo 10BaseT ethernet + 14.4 modem card -- I don't care about the 14.4 modem, because I have a USRobotics Sportster external). Is this card supported by the PCMCIA package, and if I need to, can I use it to do a network install (I can mount my FreeBSD CD-ROM on one of my desktop machines, after all). 5. Last question: I have been running Linux because of its "IP Masquerading" feature -- which allows a private (i.e. unlicensed) home network to share a single dial-up IP connection. Since we have only one phone line in the house, and sometimes two or three of us (yes, I have roomies) have to use the Internet at once to get e-mail, etc., we set up IP masquerading so that this is feasible. Now I hear that FreeBSD's usermode PPP (iijppp) supports an "-alias" flag that does something similar. Is anyone actually using this? How well does it work, and how does it compare to Linux's IP masquerading implementation? I would be most appreciative if someone could help me out by answering some (or all) of these questions in an E-mail to me. Thank you in advance for your assistance! 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From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jul 23 17:15:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA25401 for mobile-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-relay-2.Adobe.COM (smtp-relay-2.adobe.com [192.150.11.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA25393 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtp-relay-2.Adobe.COM (8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01767; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by inner-relay-1.Adobe.COM (8.7.5) with ESMTP id RAA13379; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by elroy.corp.Adobe.COM (8.7.5) with SMTP id RAA12918; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970723171509.00957e70@elroy> X-Sender: rlevenbe@elroy X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:15:09 -0700 To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org From: Richard Levenberg Subject: Difference between a 3C589C and a 3C589D Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can anyone tell me what the difference between a 3COM 10BaseT -TP only 3C589C and a 3COM 10BaseT -TP only 3C589D is? I have access to both and want to sell one but dont know which one to keep. They both seem to work well on my ThinkPad 560 running FreeBSD. TIA richardl From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jul 23 21:30:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA06964 for mobile-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA06916; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA14196; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:59:41 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707240429.NAA14196@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Some questions about FreeBSD In-Reply-To: from Donald Burr at "Jul 22, 97 03:05:10 am" To: dburr@POBoxes.com (Donald Burr) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:59:40 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (Sorry about the delay here...) ) Donald Burr stands accused of saying: G'day back! > 1. One of the reasons why I have been running Linux is the fact that its > PCMCIA support is much better, and in fact, Linux actually had PCMCIA > support when FreeBSD did not. (One of the machines on my homebrew > network is a laptop.) But I notice that FreeBSD's PCMCIA support > seems to be improving. How good is the support in 2.2.2? For the drivers that have support, it's pretty good. As a general rule, if the stock code doesn't support what you want, the PAO addons will. What card(s) do you want to use? > 2. All of my other machines have fairly standard (i.e. fully supported) > install media (CD-ROMs), except my Laptop. My laptop does have a SCSI > CD-ROM (NEC 8x, uncertain of the model number), but my laptop doesn't > have a built-in SCSI adapter. Yep -- you guessed it -- the SCSI > adapter is a PCMCIA. I was looking at my older (2.2.1) CD-ROM and > noticed the "boot-pao.flp" floppy image, which apparently allows you > to install FreeBSD using PCMCIA media (ATAPI CD-ROMs, SCSI, etc.) But > when I went to look for this on the 2.2.2 CD-ROM -- it wasn't there! > All I found was the standard "boot.flp" is this capability no longer > available, or is it built in to boot.flp? OR is it a separate package > that I need to get somewhere else (if so, where?) Try looking at www.jp.freebsd.org; the PAO homepage is on that server, and they generate and serve their boot floppies locally. > 3. I'm not sure if my PCMCIA SCSI adapter is even supported. It is a New > Media Toast'n'Jam (a combo SCSI/sound card), I believe it uses the > "aha1520" (aic-something-or-other) driver. Can this controller be > used with FreeBSD's PCMCIA support? I believe this card has been supported for some time. > 4. I also have a PCMCIA network adapter -- an IBM Home and Away. (This > is a combo 10BaseT ethernet + 14.4 modem card -- I don't care about > the 14.4 modem, because I have a USRobotics Sportster external). Is > this card supported by the PCMCIA package, and if I need to, can I use > it to do a network install (I can mount my FreeBSD CD-ROM on one of my > desktop machines, after all). Combo cards are somewhat problematic, and many don't work entirely correctly. Having said that, I believe that the network adapter either will, or could be convinced to, work just ine. > 5. Last question: I have been running Linux because of its "IP > Masquerading" feature -- which allows a private (i.e. unlicensed) > home network to share a single dial-up IP connection. Since we have > only one phone line in the house, and sometimes two or three of us > (yes, I have roomies) have to use the Internet at once to get e-mail, > etc., we set up IP masquerading so that this is feasible. Now I hear > that FreeBSD's usermode PPP (iijppp) supports an "-alias" flag that > does something similar. Is anyone actually using this? How well does > it work, and how does it compare to Linux's IP masquerading > implementation? Aliasing is available both for PPP and generic networking situations, using a common library developed by Charles Mott and co. Reports indicate that it works extremely well. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jul 23 22:03:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA08708 for mobile-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 22:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA08703 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 22:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA17461; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 23:02:56 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 23:02:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199707240502.XAA17461@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Richard Levenberg Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Difference between a 3C589C and a 3C589D In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19970723171509.00957e70@elroy> References: <3.0.2.32.19970723171509.00957e70@elroy> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Can anyone tell me what the difference between a 3COM 10BaseT -TP only > 3C589C and a 3COM 10BaseT -TP only 3C589D is? One has updated firmware which takes longer to reset (D). Other than that, they appear to be the same. But, you need a new driver in Win95 for the D model. > I have access to both and > want to sell one but dont know which one to keep. They both seem to work > well on my ThinkPad 560 running FreeBSD. FWIW, I have a 589B, a 589C, and a 589D. I don't have a preference for performance, but the connectors on the newer cards are a bit nicer. Nate From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jul 23 23:44:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA12703 for mobile-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 23:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from enterprise.ufp.com (richardl.vip.best.com [206.86.219.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA12694 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 23:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from richardl@localhost) by enterprise.ufp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA00400; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 23:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 23:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707240640.XAA00400@enterprise.ufp.com> From: Richard Levenberg To: nate@mt.sri.com CC: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199707240502.XAA17461@rocky.mt.sri.com> (message from Nate Williams on Wed, 23 Jul 1997 23:02:56 -0600 (MDT)) Subject: Re: Difference between a 3C589C and a 3C589D Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > One has updated firmware which takes longer to reset (D). Other than > that, they appear to be the same. But, you need a new driver in Win95 > for the D model. So when in the manual for the D it says it has the feature to shutdown when not in use to conserve power they both have that feature even if the C manual doesnt mention it and they both consume the same amount of power in use? The C says a nominal 50mA and I forgot what the D says. Thanks for the reply BTW, no one else has even bothered. richardl From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Jul 24 06:03:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA26529 for mobile-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 06:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kiste-5.ki.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de (kiste-5.ki.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de [141.2.5.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA26519 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 06:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707241303.GAA26519@hub.freebsd.org> Received: by kiste-5.ki.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25625; Thu, 24 Jul 97 15:03:30 +0200 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 97 15:03:30 +0200 From: Marko Schuetz To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: restarting remote printers at insertion of ethernet card Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.66) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, the subject says it already: I am looking for an elegant solution to enabling/disabling the remote printer daemons at insertion and removal of the ethernet pccard. Before going at it myself, I was wondering if anyone else has already been there and done that and does things like considering all remote printers in /etc/printcap and other niceties. Marko From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Jul 24 06:58:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA29290 for mobile-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 06:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netman.se (ariadne.netman.se [194.52.54.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA29282 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 06:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bart.netman.se ([195.100.147.19]) by ariadne.netman.se with SMTP id <17026>; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:58:56 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970724155947.007cabb0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: allard@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:59:47 +0100 To: Richard Levenberg , nate@mt.sri.com From: Johan Allard Subject: Re: Difference between a 3C589C and a 3C589D Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199707240640.XAA00400@enterprise.ufp.com> References: <199707240502.XAA17461@rocky.mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On my Notebook (a MITAC, some wery odd noname machine) with the new Cirrus Logic GD6832 CardBus controller i couldnt get the 3c589C card to work but the D card works fine. In terms of FreeBSD i use the 3.0-970618-SNAP and the network card works fine but the modem does not. I havent bothered to really look in to it yet. Hope someone will have an idea about the CardBus - 3c589C/D problem. //johan At 07:40 1997-07-24 +0100, Richard Levenberg wrote: >> One has updated firmware which takes longer to reset (D). Other than >> that, they appear to be the same. But, you need a new driver in Win95 >> for the D model. >So when in the manual for the D it says it has the feature to shutdown >when not in use to conserve power they both have that feature even if the >C manual doesnt mention it and they both consume the same amount of power >in use? The C says a nominal 50mA and I forgot what the D says. > >Thanks for the reply BTW, no one else has even bothered. > >richardl > > From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Jul 24 07:20:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA00796 for mobile-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 07:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA00780 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 07:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA18939; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 08:20:16 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 08:20:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199707241420.IAA18939@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Richard Levenberg Cc: nate@mt.sri.com, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Difference between a 3C589C and a 3C589D In-Reply-To: <199707240640.XAA00400@enterprise.ufp.com> References: <199707240502.XAA17461@rocky.mt.sri.com> <199707240640.XAA00400@enterprise.ufp.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > One has updated firmware which takes longer to reset (D). Other than > > that, they appear to be the same. But, you need a new driver in Win95 > > for the D model. > > So when in the manual for the D it says it has the feature to shutdown > when not in use to conserve power they both have that feature even if the > C manual doesnt mention it and they both consume the same amount of power > in use? The C says a nominal 50mA and I forgot what the D says. Hmm, I don't know. I never measured the power output. But, I do know that the FreeBSD driver works on all versions of the card. Nate From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Jul 24 10:40:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA14113 for mobile-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14039 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trefoil.bogs.org (root@bogslab.ucdavis.edu [128.120.162.26]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09008 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from myrtle.bogs.org (root@myrtle.bogs.org [198.137.203.39]) by trefoil.bogs.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA19836 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from myrtle.bogs.org (greg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by myrtle.bogs.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA12552 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:39:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199707241739.KAA12552@myrtle.bogs.org> To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.com Subject: Re: Difference between a 3C589C and a 3C589D In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 24 Jul 1997 08:20:16 MDT." <199707241420.IAA18939@rocky.mt.sri.com> Reply-To: gkshenaut@ucdavis.edu Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:39:26 -0700 From: Greg Shenaut Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199707241420.IAA18939@rocky.mt.sri.com>, Nate Williams quoth: >> > One has updated firmware which takes longer to reset (D). Other than >> > that, they appear to be the same. But, you need a new driver in Win95 >> > for the D model. >> >> So when in the manual for the D it says it has the feature to shutdown >> when not in use to conserve power they both have that feature even if the >> C manual doesnt mention it and they both consume the same amount of power >> in use? The C says a nominal 50mA and I forgot what the D says. > >Hmm, I don't know. I never measured the power output. But, I do know >that the FreeBSD driver works on all versions of the card. I need 4 pcmcia ethernet cards, for a couple of Toshibas (T1950ct, t3400) and two thinkpad 365cd's, all with 2.2.2 systems. I understand that the 3c589's are probably the best cards to get, but have been holding off on getting them because the only ones I've seen for sale have been the D's, and there is an apparent problem with them (it even says in the release notes that the driver doesn't work with the D's). Are you saying that they do work? -Greg From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Jul 24 12:56:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA20398 for mobile-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20393 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA09774 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA30551; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:56:05 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:56:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian N. Handy" To: gkshenaut@ucdavis.edu Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.com Subject: Re: Difference between a 3C589C and a 3C589D In-Reply-To: <199707241739.KAA12552@myrtle.bogs.org> Message-Id: X-Files: The truth is out there Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I understand that the 3c589's are probably the best cards to get, but >have been holding off on getting them because the only ones I've >seen for sale have been the D's, and there is an apparent problem >with them (it even says in the release notes that the driver doesn't >work with the D's). Are you saying that they do work? Yep, I've got one working just fine in a TP560, no problems. Brian From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Jul 24 22:44:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA15650 for mobile-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 22:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA15642 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 22:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA12532 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 22:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA20271; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:14:07 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707250544.PAA20271@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Difference between a 3C589C and a 3C589D In-Reply-To: <199707241739.KAA12552@myrtle.bogs.org> from Greg Shenaut at "Jul 24, 97 10:39:26 am" To: gkshenaut@ucdavis.edu Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:14:07 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greg Shenaut stands accused of saying: > > I need 4 pcmcia ethernet cards, for a couple of Toshibas (T1950ct, > t3400) and two thinkpad 365cd's, all with 2.2.2 systems. > > I understand that the 3c589's are probably the best cards to get, but > have been holding off on getting them because the only ones I've > seen for sale have been the D's, and there is an apparent problem > with them (it even says in the release notes that the driver doesn't > work with the D's). Are you saying that they do work? Why do people keep ignoring me? I get about twice the throughput that is reported for the '589's using an Accton EN2216, and (at least around here) they're a much cheaper card. You should see similar if not identical results with any other NE2000-clone PCCARD. > -Greg -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Jul 25 03:15:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA25895 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 03:15:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kiste-5.ki.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de (kiste-5.ki.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de [141.2.5.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA25890 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 03:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707251015.DAA25890@hub.freebsd.org> Received: by kiste-5.ki.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27322; Fri, 25 Jul 97 12:15:46 +0200 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 97 12:15:46 +0200 From: Marko Schuetz To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Difference between a 3C589C and a 3C589D In-Reply-To: <199707250544.PAA20271@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> References: <199707241739.KAA12552@myrtle.bogs.org> <199707250544.PAA20271@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.66) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> I need 4 pcmcia ethernet cards, for a couple of Toshibas (T1950ct, >> t3400) and two thinkpad 365cd's, all with 2.2.2 systems. >> >> I understand that the 3c589's are probably the best cards to get, but >> have been holding off on getting them because the only ones I've >> seen for sale have been the D's, and there is an apparent problem >> with them (it even says in the release notes that the driver doesn't >> work with the D's). Are you saying that they do work? I have a D-Link 650, they are cheap here compared to other cards (~USD 100) and it works fine. In what respect are the 3c589s considered to be 'best'? Marko From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Jul 25 07:39:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA05635 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 07:39:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA05629 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 07:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA28589 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 07:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA24411; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:38:23 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:38:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199707251438.IAA24411@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Michael Smith Cc: gkshenaut@ucdavis.edu, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.com Subject: Re: Difference between a 3C589C and a 3C589D In-Reply-To: <199707250544.PAA20271@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> References: <199707241739.KAA12552@myrtle.bogs.org> <199707250544.PAA20271@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I understand that the 3c589's are probably the best cards to get, but ... > > .....(it even says in the release notes that the driver doesn't > > work with the D's). Are you saying that they do work? Don't ignore Mike's advice, but the 3c589D is now supported by 2.2-stable (unfortunately, the fix didn't make it into 2.2.2), and of course - current. Someone supplied the fix for the D model, and they are no fully supported. > I get about twice the throughput that is reported for the '589's using > an Accton EN2216, and (at least around here) they're a much cheaper card. Nate From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Jul 25 07:42:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA05829 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 07:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA05824 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 07:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA24429; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:42:20 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:42:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199707251442.IAA24429@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Marko Schuetz Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Difference between a 3C589C and a 3C589D In-Reply-To: <199707251015.DAA25890@hub.freebsd.org> References: <199707241739.KAA12552@myrtle.bogs.org> <199707250544.PAA20271@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> <199707251015.DAA25890@hub.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > 100) and it works fine. In what respect are the 3c589s considered to > be 'best'? For a long time, they were one of the few 'supported' cards. Nate From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Jul 25 16:48:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA02602 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eecis.udel.edu (/7mj2/vmDpVonwViSpryD2Lzk0cRAXs1@ren.eecis.udel.edu [128.175.7.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA02592 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:48:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by eecis.udel.edu id aa05601; 25 Jul 1997 19:48 EDT To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Organization: Mos Eisley Candy Store Reply-To: alexandr@louie.udel.edu Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:48:12 -0400 From: Jerry Alexandratos Message-ID: <199707251948.aa05601@eecis.udel.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk subscribe alexandr@louie.udel.edu