From owner-freebsd-www Sun Aug 24 02:36:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA24784 for www-outgoing; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 02:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns.ht.net.tw (dns.ht.net.tw [203.79.224.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA24779 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 02:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from poffice ([203.79.232.235]) by dns.ht.net.tw (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with ESMTP id AAA1219 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:42:13 -0700 Message-ID: <34000155.7629A78A@ht.net.tw> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:39:33 +0800 From: ftp@ht.net.tw (Ftp Admin) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: About FTP mirror X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------1A95D125285C0695281294D8" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1A95D125285C0695281294D8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------1A95D125285C0695281294D8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="Ftp.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Ftp.txt" To the receiver, Ht.net is the famous Internet Service Provider in Taiwan. Now we are trying to maintain our FTP site to fit the requirement of our users. I hope that I can mirror your FTP site. Could I? If I can do that, should I fill some application forms or get your authorization? Please send some information to me. Thank you for your help! Pippen Tsai System Engineer Hitron Technology Inc. Taipei, Taiwan E-Mail : ftp@ht.net.tw WWW : http://www.ht.net.tw --------------1A95D125285C0695281294D8-- From owner-freebsd-www Mon Aug 25 11:00:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA27249 for www-outgoing; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:00:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bud.peinet.pe.ca (root@bud.peinet.pe.ca [198.167.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA27243 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lancelot.cycor.ca (pet-as07.microvar.com [204.101.138.17]) by bud.peinet.pe.ca (8.8.6/8.6.15) with ESMTP id OAA21104 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:59:28 -0300 (ADT) Message-ID: <3401D4E5.F8418116@cycor.ca> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:54:30 -0500 From: lance X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, While i was 'trying' to find the dir for the actual FreeBSD i kept getting lost :) Is there anyway you culd possibly tell me what dir for the actual FreeBSD program is? (For win95). From owner-freebsd-www Mon Aug 25 11:41:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA00329 for www-outgoing; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from schubert.promo.de (schubert.Promo.DE [194.45.188.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA00308 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [194.45.188.81] (stefan.Promo.DE [194.45.188.81]) by schubert.promo.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA28362; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:38:28 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: stefan@mail.promo.de Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3401D4E5.F8418116@cycor.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:40:04 +0200 To: lance , www@FreeBSD.ORG From: Stefan Bethke Subject: Re: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 20:54 Uhr +0200 25.08.1997, lance wrote: > Hello, > While i was 'trying' to find the dir for the actual FreeBSD i kept >getting lost :) >Is there anyway you culd possibly tell me what dir for the actual >FreeBSD program is? >(For win95). Dear Sir, thank you for your interest in FreeLSD. For reasons to too complicated to explain here, FreeLSD is currently availible for download only through America Online(tm). Please use the keyword "FREELSD" for full download and installation instructions. We hope that you'll soon become one of the many satisfied FreeLSD users. On behalf of the FreeLSD Webmaster, Stefan Bethke 0- From owner-freebsd-www Mon Aug 25 20:20:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA01451 for www-outgoing; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (cisco-ts11-line2.uoregon.edu [128.223.150.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA01446 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA02985; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:20:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: lance cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <3401D4E5.F8418116@cycor.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 25 Aug 1997, lance wrote: > Hello, > While i was 'trying' to find the dir for the actual FreeBSD i kept > getting lost :) Is there anyway you culd possibly tell me what dir for > the actual FreeBSD program is? (For win95). The grin was missing from the last response. :) In any case, FreeBSD is a totally separate operating system that runs independent of Windows. You should check out http://www.freebsd.org if you have not done so already. if you have any questions, please write questions@freebsd.org. Thanks! Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major Spam routed to /dev/null by Procmail | Death to Cyberpromo From owner-freebsd-www Tue Aug 26 09:21:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA18787 for www-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dekalb.external.lmco.com (dekalb.external.lmco.com [192.35.35.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA18774 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from franklin.vf.lmco.com (franklin.vf.lmco.com [166.17.5.51]) by dekalb.external.lmco.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA11916 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sde1a.mds.lmco.com (sde1b.mds.lmco.com [166.17.121.9]) by franklin.vf.lmco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA23041 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wds61_pc ([166.17.88.61]) by sde1a.mds.lmco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA19034; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <340301FA.33D@mds.lmco.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:19:06 -0400 From: Jed Clear Reply-To: clear@mds.lmco.com Organization: Lockheed Martin - Management & Data Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: www2.freebsd.org/search.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I was using www2.freebsd.org since www.freebsd.org appeared to be dead. However the search form for mailing list archives submits back to www.freebsd.org. Is this an oversight in the mirror process, or is www.freebsd.org the only one with the archives? -Jed From owner-freebsd-www Tue Aug 26 09:39:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA20287 for www-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from schubert.promo.de (schubert.Promo.DE [194.45.188.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA20244 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [194.45.188.81] (stefan.Promo.DE [194.45.188.81]) by schubert.promo.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01527; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:34:31 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: stefan@mail.promo.de Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <340301FA.33D@mds.lmco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:36:10 +0200 To: clear@mds.lmco.com, www@FreeBSD.ORG From: Stefan Bethke Subject: Re: www2.freebsd.org/search.html Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 18:19 Uhr +0200 26.08.1997, Jed Clear wrote: >I was using www2.freebsd.org since www.freebsd.org appeared to be dead. > >However the search form for mailing list archives submits back to >www.freebsd.org. Is this an oversight in the mirror process, or is >www.freebsd.org the only one with the archives? Yep, as the archives are ~700 megs, I believe they are accessible only through www.freebsd.org, but not through any of the mirrors. Also, few if any of the mirrors run cgi's locally; we hope to improve on that. Stefan -- Stefan Bethke Promo Datentechnik | Tel. +49-40-851744-0 + Systemberatung GmbH | Fax. +49-40-851744-44 Eduardstrasse 46-48 | e-mail: stefan@Promo.DE D-20257 Hamburg | http://www.Promo.DE/ From owner-freebsd-www Tue Aug 26 10:56:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA25834 for www-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thermohaline.csc.ncsu.edu (thermohaline.csc.ncsu.edu [152.1.57.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA25793 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by thermohaline.csc.ncsu.edu (5.65/Eos/C-U-09Sep93) id AA08045; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:54:46 -0400 Message-Id: <9708261754.AA08045@thermohaline.csc.ncsu.edu> Subject: Re: listing frigate networks as FreeBSD consultants To: cslater@frigate.com (Charlie Slater) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Cc: www@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199708210311.UAA09403@ns.frigate.com> from "Charlie Slater" at Aug 20, 97 08:11:23 pm Reply-To: nsj@ncsu.edu From: nsj@ncsu.edu (Nate Johnson) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24/POP] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk %Hi Jordan, Here is the paragraph of HTML for the consultants list %on www.freebsd.org. We tried to match the existing format. Let %me know if there is anything we need to fix. Thanks! -charlie Charlie, I added your entry today; it should appear sometime after 1700 PDT today at: Please take a look at it at your earliest convenience to ensure that it's what you wanted. Be sure to let us know if there's something unsatisfactory. Thanks for your support! Cheers, nsj -- Nate Johnson / nsj@ncsu.edu / nsj@eos.ncsu.edu / nsj@FreeBSD.org Project Eos Systems Administrator, Engineering Computer Operations North Carolina State University, Raleigh, North Carolina From owner-freebsd-www Tue Aug 26 10:58:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA25960 for www-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thermohaline.csc.ncsu.edu (thermohaline.csc.ncsu.edu [152.1.57.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA25954 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by thermohaline.csc.ncsu.edu (5.65/Eos/C-U-09Sep93) id AA08061; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:56:40 -0400 Message-Id: <9708261756.AA08061@thermohaline.csc.ncsu.edu> Subject: Re: Comercial product To: ormonde@trem.cnt.org.br (Rodrigo Ormonde) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Cc: www@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9708201311.AA14480@trem.cnt.org.br> from "Rodrigo Ormonde" at Aug 20, 97 11:11:49 am Reply-To: nsj@ncsu.edu From: nsj@ncsu.edu (Nate Johnson) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24/POP] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rodrigo, I added your entry for Aker Firewall this afternoon, and it should appear sometime after 1700 PDT today at: Please take a look at your earliest convenience to ensure that it's what you wanted. Let us know if it's in any way unsatisfactory. Thanks for your support! Cheers, nsj -- Nate Johnson / nsj@ncsu.edu / nsj@eos.ncsu.edu / nsj@FreeBSD.org Project Eos Systems Administrator, Engineering Computer Operations North Carolina State University, Raleigh, North Carolina From owner-freebsd-www Tue Aug 26 13:33:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA06081 for www-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA06061 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA20348; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:31:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:31:50 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Stefan Bethke cc: clear@mds.lmco.com, www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: www2.freebsd.org/search.html In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, Stefan Bethke wrote: > At 18:19 Uhr +0200 26.08.1997, Jed Clear wrote: > >I was using www2.freebsd.org since www.freebsd.org appeared to be dead. > > > >However the search form for mailing list archives submits back to > >www.freebsd.org. Is this an oversight in the mirror process, or is > >www.freebsd.org the only one with the archives? > > Yep, as the archives are ~700 megs, I believe they are accessible only > through www.freebsd.org, but not through any of the mirrors. After a couple months of stagnation, the archives are being re-indexed at the moment so most are not available from www.freebsd.org either. The archiving and indexing has been tweaked to facilitate weekly updates. Although the indexing is not done, I estimate the archives+indexes will top 1GB. The most efficient way to mirror would be to make the text of the archives available via cvsup and have the mirror do indexing. It would be nice to see a couple strategically placed mirrors of this service. I'd help out anyone interested in providing such a service. -john From owner-freebsd-www Tue Aug 26 14:00:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA07693 for www-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccr.dsi.uanl.mx (ccr.dsi.uanl.mx [148.234.15.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA07687 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ccr.dsi.uanl.mx (MX V4.2 VAX) id 518; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:24:26 CST6 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:24:26 CST6 From: Daniel Salas Limon To: WWW@FREEBSD.ORG Message-ID: <009B95BC.9A150779.518@ccr.dsi.uanl.mx> Subject: Ask for Info. Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FREEBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear Webmaster: The Systems Department of the Civil Engineering School of the State University of Nuevo Leon (UANL) in Mexico, requires information about the civil engineering software products offered by your company. The objective of our request si to carry out an academic evaluation of the different options available in order to select the software that will be implemented, in the nearly future as a support to our classes. For this reason we request: * Names of the software. * Minimum and convenient requirements for instalation. * Qualities and uses. * Manual of operation. * A demo copy, if possible. Our Department is equipped with 20 PC'S IBM. * 486 DX2 * 16 Mb RAM * WIN 3.1 & 95 * AutoCAD 12 * Office 4.2 * MathCAD * Microstation * HP LaserJet 4v Printer * MUTON RT-500 Series Plotter We would fully appreciate your repy via E-mail or to the following address: Ing. Daniel Salas Limon Departamento de Sistemas Facultad de Ingeniera Civil Pedro de Alba s/n Ciudad Universitaria 64000 Monterrey, N.L. Mexico From owner-freebsd-www Tue Aug 26 17:16:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA19042 for www-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from secretariat.astroarch.com (secretariat.astroarch.com [207.170.64.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA19034 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from elh@localhost) by secretariat.astroarch.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) id TAA32726; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 19:12:06 -0500 From: "Edward L. Haletky" Message-Id: <199708270012.TAA32726@secretariat.astroarch.com> Subject: www.freebsd.org/commercial/software.html update To: www@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 19:12:06 -0500 (CDT) Cc: elh@secretariat.astroarch.com (Edward L. Haletky) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have an update for AstroArch Consulting, Inc. for you. AstroArch Consulting, Inc., develops and licenses its ISP Billing and Tracking System or BATS for FreeBSD as well as thirteen other Operating Systems. For more information, check out the web pages http://www.astroarch.com, send email to info@astroarch.com or call (512) 990-9711. Best regards, -- Edward L. Haletky, President BATS (ISP Billing and Tracking System) AstroArch Consulting, Inc. http://www.astroarch.com/ elh@astroarch.com From owner-freebsd-www Wed Aug 27 00:31:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA16608 for www-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 00:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tokyonet-entrance.astec.co.jp (tokyonet-entrance.astec.co.jp [202.239.16.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA16600; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 00:31:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amont.astec.co.jp (amont.astec.co.jp [172.20.10.1]) by tokyonet-entrance.astec.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb7/3.4Wbeta5-astecMX2.3) with ESMTP id QAA29767; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:30:57 +0900 Received: from lepton (lepton.astec.co.jp [172.20.12.27]) by amont.astec.co.jp (8.7.6/3.6Wbeta5-astecMX2.4) with ESMTP id QAA05487; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:30:57 +0900 (JST) To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Local translations of www.freebsd.org From: Hiroyuki HANAI In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:15:24 -0700" References: <21795.867251724@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.70 on Emacs 19.34.1 / Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19970827163127N.hanai@astec.co.jp> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:31:27 +0900 X-Dispatcher: impost version 0.99h (Apr. 2, 1997) Lines: 26 Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 25 Jun 1997 Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > John Fieber would probably be the best one to answer that since > he'd know the build issues involved - John? OK, we are finishing the Japanese tranlation of www.FreeBSD.org pages. We want answers to some questions. 1. Will they be provided on www.FreeBSD.org? 2. If so, where is the "root" page? 3. Will they be put into the CVS repository on freefall? We now are working with the assumption of answers to above, that: 1. Yes. 2. http://www.FreeBSD.org/ja_JP.EUC/ 3. Yes. Could you give me any idea? Cheers, Hiroyuki Hanai From owner-freebsd-www Wed Aug 27 00:41:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA17096 for www-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 00:41:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA17091; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 00:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA00515; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:41:35 -0700 (PDT) To: Hiroyuki HANAI cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, www@FreeBSD.ORG, www@jp.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Local translations of www.freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:31:27 +0900." <19970827163127N.hanai@astec.co.jp> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:41:35 -0700 Message-ID: <511.967362095@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > OK, we are finishing the Japanese tranlation of www.FreeBSD.org pages. > We want answers to some questions. > > 1. Will they be provided on www.FreeBSD.org? www.jp.FreeBSD.org is the correct place for this given that they have the localized infrastructure and the expertise in presenting that kind of content. Where FreeBSD.org itself can help best, I think, is in providing the developers with a centralized repository to share changes - this is essentially already the case for the Japanese handbook and FAQ, and I'm hoping that it will happen someday for the Czech pages currently at www.cz.freebsd.org. > 3. Will they be put into the CVS repository on freefall? This question leaves me wondering as to whether or not a parallel effort has perhaps just taken place. Are you connected with the existing translation project, or is this something entirely different? Jordan From owner-freebsd-www Wed Aug 27 01:13:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA18741 for www-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 01:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tokyonet-entrance.astec.co.jp (tokyonet-entrance.astec.co.jp [202.239.16.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA18734; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 01:13:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amont.astec.co.jp (amont.astec.co.jp [172.20.10.1]) by tokyonet-entrance.astec.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb7/3.4Wbeta5-astecMX2.3) with ESMTP id RAA01249; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:13:39 +0900 Received: from lepton (lepton.astec.co.jp [172.20.12.27]) by amont.astec.co.jp (8.7.6/3.6Wbeta5-astecMX2.4) with ESMTP id RAA06717; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:13:38 +0900 (JST) To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, www@FreeBSD.ORG, www@jp.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Local translations of www.freebsd.org From: Hiroyuki HANAI In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:41:35 -0700" References: <511.967362095@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.70 on Emacs 19.34.1 / Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19970827171408U.hanai@astec.co.jp> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:14:08 +0900 X-Dispatcher: impost version 0.99h (Apr. 2, 1997) Lines: 27 Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan wrote: > > 1. Will they be provided on www.FreeBSD.org? > > www.jp.FreeBSD.org is the correct place for this given that they have > the localized infrastructure and the expertise in presenting that kind > of content. Where FreeBSD.org itself can help best, I think, is in I see. Let me confirm. Do you mean that we should provide Web pages of Japanese translation of www.FreeBSD.org on www.jp.FreeBSD.org? > > 3. Will they be put into the CVS repository on freefall? > > This question leaves me wondering as to whether or not a parallel > effort has perhaps just taken place. Are you connected with the > existing translation project, or is this something entirely different? I am a member of Japanese Documentation Project and am connected with the the existing translation works such as Handbook, FAQ. Also, I am one of webmasters on www.jp.FreeBSD.org. In addition, I have a commit privilege on freefall and I am maintaining the Japanese translation of Handbook. So, I can maintain the Japanese translation of Web pages if they were put into the CVS repository on freefall. Regards, Hiroyuki Hanai From owner-freebsd-www Wed Aug 27 01:38:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA19991 for www-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 01:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA19986; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 01:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA01859; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 01:37:58 -0700 (PDT) To: Hiroyuki HANAI cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, www@FreeBSD.ORG, www@jp.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Local translations of www.freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:14:08 +0900." <19970827171408U.hanai@astec.co.jp> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 01:37:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1855.872671078@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I see. > Let me confirm. > Do you mean that we should provide Web pages of Japanese translation > of www.FreeBSD.org on www.jp.FreeBSD.org? Exactly. See www.cz.freebsd.org as an example of something it would be nice to see more of. > I am a member of Japanese Documentation Project and am connected with > the the existing translation works such as Handbook, FAQ. > Also, I am one of webmasters on www.jp.FreeBSD.org. OK, thanks, I was just trying to make sure I wasn't dealing with a divergent effort or something. :) > In addition, I have a commit privilege on freefall and I am maintaining > the Japanese translation of Handbook. So, I can maintain the Japanese > translation of Web pages if they were put into the CVS repository on freefall Great! I thing questions still remain, however, as to how the make rules will work so that you can do: cvs co -P www cd www/data make all install LANG=ja_JP.EUC in order to build the top page for www.jp.freebsd.org and it was this I was actually looking to John Fieber for comment on. Regards, Jordan From owner-freebsd-www Wed Aug 27 07:30:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA06520 for www-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 07:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iquest3.iquest.net (iquest3.iquest.net [209.43.20.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA06513 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 07:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26943 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1997 14:30:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IND1) (206.53.238.201) by iquest3.iquest.net with SMTP; 27 Aug 1997 14:30:31 -0000 Message-ID: <34042D9D.22AB@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:37:34 -0400 From: Paul Bangert Reply-To: pdbindy@ibm.net Organization: Nims Assoicates, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD as a name server? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have FreeBSD set up as a minimal web server and am working on setting it up as a name server as well. Can someone point me in the right direction to make it work as a name server? I have all of the BSD manuals etc and cdrom. Thanks for you assistance. -- Paul D. Bangert Nims Associates, Inc. 5222 S. East Street Suite #1 Indianapolis, IN 46227 Phone (317) 788-1018 ext 201 FAX (317) 788-1204 E-Mail PDBINDY@IBM.NET From owner-freebsd-www Wed Aug 27 08:03:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA08044 for www-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from schubert.promo.de (schubert.Promo.DE [194.45.188.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA08027 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [194.45.188.81] (stefan.Promo.DE [194.45.188.81]) by schubert.promo.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07209; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:00:35 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: stefan@mail.promo.de Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34042D9D.22AB@ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:02:15 +0200 To: pdbindy@ibm.net, www@FreeBSD.ORG From: Stefan Bethke Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a name server? Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 15:37 Uhr +0200 27.08.1997, Paul Bangert wrote: >I have FreeBSD set up as a minimal web server and am working on setting >it up as a name server as well. >Can someone point me in the right direction to make it work as a name >server? I have all of the BSD manuals etc and cdrom. >Thanks for you assistance. You might want to direct questions to the mailing list . Look at http://www.isc.org/bind.html, which contains some ressources. Also, you might consider buying the excellent book "DNS and Bind" (O'Reilly), which covers all aspects of setting up and running a name server. Stefan -- Stefan Bethke Promo Datentechnik | Tel. +49-40-851744-0 + Systemberatung GmbH | Fax. +49-40-851744-44 Eduardstrasse 46-48 | e-mail: stefan@Promo.DE D-20257 Hamburg | http://www.Promo.DE/ From owner-freebsd-www Wed Aug 27 10:17:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA16082 for www-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA16066; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA22983; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:14:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:14:31 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Hiroyuki HANAI cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Local translations of www.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <19970827163127N.hanai@astec.co.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Hiroyuki HANAI wrote: > OK, we are finishing the Japanese tranlation of www.FreeBSD.org pages. > We want answers to some questions. > > 1. Will they be provided on www.FreeBSD.org? > > 2. If so, where is the "root" page? > > 3. Will they be put into the CVS repository on freefall? > > We now are working with the assumption of answers to above, that: > > 1. Yes. > > 2. http://www.FreeBSD.org/ja_JP.EUC/ > > 3. Yes. > > Could you give me any idea? That was the assumption I had. There are two localization issues here. First is translations of the english stuff. These should basically be replicas of the english pages, but stored in language subdirectories like ja_JP.EUC. All such native language pages will always be built and carried by all mirrors. We have gobs of mirror sites around the world and if a few drop off because of extra space demands in mirroring multiple languages, then so be it. An German speaker in Japan should be able to get German from www.ja.freebsd.org and a Japanese speaker in Germany should should be able to get Japanese from www.de.freebsd.org. Second is additional native language pages which, for the moment, I rather not deal with in the repository. Currently a number of mirrors have their additional pages as the root of the mirror, with a link to the mirrored pages. An alterative would be to standardize on www.xx.freebsd.org/local/ for local pages. Www.freebsd.org would ship out a "This server has no local pages" page in that directory and mirrors that have extra pages could just redirect that URL to their locally maintained pages. Thoughts? -john From owner-freebsd-www Wed Aug 27 13:05:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA02672 for www-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA02662; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA10887; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:04:07 -0700 (PDT) To: John Fieber cc: Hiroyuki HANAI , hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Local translations of www.freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:14:31 CDT." Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:04:06 -0700 Message-ID: <10883.872712246@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > ja_JP.EUC. All such native language pages will always be built > and carried by all mirrors. We have gobs of mirror sites around > the world and if a few drop off because of extra space demands in > mirroring multiple languages, then so be it. An German speaker > in Japan should be able to get German from www.ja.freebsd.org and > a Japanese speaker in Germany should should be able to get > Japanese from www.de.freebsd.org. Erm... While I can certainly see advantages to this model, I have question whether or not it's truly realistic. As a whole, our existing collection of mirrors is still chasing to catch up with the new english language content and layout of www.freebsd.org and, in well over 2 years, we've yet to succeed in achieving true syncronization with even a majority percentage of them. I don't think that we should complicate a mechanism we've yet to truly standardize on, and I'd furthermore consider it a major victory if we could get even single web servers to display properly localized versions of the pages built from CVS supplied sources. It's also not like the expat German and Japanese speakers would be completely without recourse in the less ambitious model - connectivity between www.jp.freebsd.org and www.de.freebsd.org is getting better all the time. :) > Second is additional native language pages which, for the moment, > I rather not deal with in the repository. Currently a number of > mirrors have their additional pages as the root of the mirror, > with a link to the mirrored pages. An alterative would be to But if this content were easier to syncronize and build via the CVS repository and our default "build me a set of web pages" toolchain, don't you think that a lot of the regional mirrors would elect to keep their top pages directly under CVS, local tweaks and all? Jordan From owner-freebsd-www Wed Aug 27 13:43:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA04969 for www-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA04792; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:38:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA23627; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:37:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:37:02 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Hiroyuki HANAI , hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Local translations of www.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <10883.872712246@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > ja_JP.EUC. All such native language pages will always be built > > and carried by all mirrors. We have gobs of mirror sites around > > the world and if a few drop off because of extra space demands in > > mirroring multiple languages, then so be it. An German speaker > > in Japan should be able to get German from www.ja.freebsd.org and > > a Japanese speaker in Germany should should be able to get > > Japanese from www.de.freebsd.org. > > Erm... While I can certainly see advantages to this model, I have > question whether or not it's truly realistic. As a whole, our > existing collection of mirrors is still chasing to catch up with the > new english language content and layout of www.freebsd.org and, in > well over 2 years, we've yet to succeed in achieving true > syncronization with even a majority percentage of them. I don't follow. The addition of another language is no different than, say, fixing a typo. If they mirror the pages on a regular basis, they get the update. If they don't mirror on a regular basis they don't. The addition of Japanese, or any other language, is simply a matter of more bytes, not any procedural change. > But if this content were easier to syncronize and build via the CVS > repository and our default "build me a set of web pages" toolchain, > don't you think that a lot of the regional mirrors would elect to keep > their top pages directly under CVS, local tweaks and all? Accessing the cvs repository on freefall is often a pain; 50% packet loss is typical, and I'm only coming from Indiana. As far as streamlining the tools, Paul Richards gave me a prototype a (long) while back that I still have not looked at very carefully, and my window of opportunity is closing fast---classes start on Monday. I'm just tackling smaller scale projects at the moment. The mailing list archives are now updated weekly for example. If it were not for the grunt work Nate Johnson has been putting in lately, the web site would be rusting by now! :) I may have have to start tagging the rest of the web-related positions listed in the handbook as "vacant", in this case policing mirrors to make sure they are all subscribed to the www mailing list, are updating on a reasonable schedule and so on. -john From owner-freebsd-www Wed Aug 27 17:04:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA19432 for www-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from echo.eos.ncsu.edu (echo.eos.ncsu.edu [152.1.68.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA19425 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nsj@localhost) by echo.eos.ncsu.edu (8.8.4/EC02Jan97) id AAA14828 for www@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 00:04:19 GMT Message-Id: <199708280004.AAA14828@echo.eos.ncsu.edu> Subject: Re: Another gallery submission... To: www@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: nsj@ncsu.edu From: nsj@ncsu.edu (Nate Johnson) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24/POP] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk %"Commercial" gallery entry: % % %
  • All Free XXX Videos -- Adult Entertainment
    • % Augh! I find myself leaning again upon the First Amendment for this one... Except... hey, wait a minute... <52> ras1-01/~% telnet www.freexxxvideo.com Trying 208.196.158.212... Connected to www.freexxxvideo.com. Escape character is '^]'. BSDI BSD/OS 2.1 (zebra.va.pubnix.com) (ttyp0) login: That's not FreeBSD! Should I be more inclined to include this entry than I am now? ttyl, nsj -- Nate Johnson / nsj@ncsu.edu / nsj@eos.ncsu.edu / nsj@FreeBSD.org Project Eos Systems Administrator, Engineering Computer Operations North Carolina State University, Raleigh, North Carolina From owner-freebsd-www Wed Aug 27 17:07:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA19570 for www-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA19565 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA20969; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:07:27 -0700 (PDT) To: nsj@ncsu.edu cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Another gallery submission... In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:04:18 EDT." <199708280004.AAA14828@echo.eos.ncsu.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:07:26 -0700 Message-ID: <20965.872726846@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > <52> ras1-01/~% telnet www.freexxxvideo.com > Trying 208.196.158.212... > Connected to www.freexxxvideo.com. > Escape character is '^]'. > > > BSDI BSD/OS 2.1 (zebra.va.pubnix.com) (ttyp0) > > login: > > That's not FreeBSD! > > Should I be more inclined to include this entry than I am now? No, you should be even less inclined. Whether the site be devoted to farming implements and their use in agriculture or farming implements and their use in bizarre sexual acts, they've still gotta be running FreeBSD to reside in the gallery. Jordan From owner-freebsd-www Wed Aug 27 17:54:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA22433 for www-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA22426 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xsvr2.cup.hp.com (xsvr2.cup.hp.com [15.0.66.180]) by palrel1.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01530; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xsvr2.cup.hp.com (1.39.111.2/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA203659641; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:54:01 -0700 From: "Josef C. Grosch Contra" Message-Id: <9708271754.ZM20363@xsvr2.cup.hp.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:54:01 -0700 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" "Re: Another gallery submission..." (Aug 27, 5:07pm) References: <20965.872726846@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: Another gallery submission... Cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Aug 27, 5:07pm, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Subject: Re: Another gallery submission... > > <52> ras1-01/~% telnet www.freexxxvideo.com > > Trying 208.196.158.212... > > Connected to www.freexxxvideo.com. > > Escape character is '^]'. > > > > > > BSDI BSD/OS 2.1 (zebra.va.pubnix.com) (ttyp0) > > > > login: > > > > That's not FreeBSD! > > > > Should I be more inclined to include this entry than I am now? > > No, you should be even less inclined. Whether the site be devoted to > farming implements and their use in agriculture or farming implements > and their use in bizarre sexual acts, they've still gotta be running > FreeBSD to reside in the gallery. > > Jordan >-- End of excerpt from Jordan K. Hubbard But what if they are using FreeBSD in their "bizarre sexual acts" ?? ;-) Josef -- Josef Grosch, 47LG4 | "Laugh while you can, | My opinions are mine, not jgrosch@cup.hp.com | monkey boy!" | HPs. They have'nt paid for (408) 447-0467 | - John Warfin - | them yet ! :-) From owner-freebsd-www Wed Aug 27 18:30:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA25847 for www-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA25836 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA07727; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:26:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:26:18 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: "Josef C. Grosch Contra" cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Another gallery submission... In-Reply-To: <9708271754.ZM20363@xsvr2.cup.hp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Josef C. Grosch Contra wrote: > But what if they are using FreeBSD in their "bizarre sexual acts" ?? ;-) They should tell us what version they use, and if any patches (to FreeBSD) were necessary, submit them via send-pr so we can all Share and Enjoy. Then we include them. -john From owner-freebsd-www Wed Aug 27 18:40:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA28746 for www-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from echo.eos.ncsu.edu (echo.eos.ncsu.edu [152.1.68.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA28739 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:40:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nsj@localhost) by echo.eos.ncsu.edu (8.8.4/EC02Jan97) id BAA12090 for www@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 01:40:40 GMT Message-Id: <199708280140.BAA12090@echo.eos.ncsu.edu> Subject: Re: Another gallery submission... To: www@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:40:40 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "John Fieber" at Aug 27, 97 08:26:18 pm Reply-To: nsj@ncsu.edu From: nsj@ncsu.edu (Nate Johnson) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24/POP] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk %They should tell us what version they use, and if any patches (to %FreeBSD) were necessary, submit them via send-pr so we can all %Share and Enjoy. Then we include them. It sounds like they would have needed drivers for previously unsupported hardware. They should include those, too. =-) ttyl, nsj From owner-freebsd-www Wed Aug 27 21:41:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA06755 for www-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA06749 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id AAA28669; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 00:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 00:41:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Nate Johnson cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Another gallery submission... In-Reply-To: <199708280004.AAA14828@echo.eos.ncsu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Nate Johnson wrote: > <52> ras1-01/~% telnet www.freexxxvideo.com > Trying 208.196.158.212... > Connected to www.freexxxvideo.com. > Escape character is '^]'. > > > BSDI BSD/OS 2.1 (zebra.va.pubnix.com) (ttyp0) > > login: > > That's not FreeBSD! > > Should I be more inclined to include this entry than I am now? Actually BSDI has their own version of the "gallery" Maybe you should point them to BSDI? I'm not against adding them, we have persiankitty.com listed in the gallery as well somewhere, but they ran FreeBSD afaik, when they were submitted. Just a thought. Chris -- ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.2 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 Turning PCs into Workstations! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-freebsd-www Wed Aug 27 21:50:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA07403 for www-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spice.perforce.com (spice.perforce.com [206.14.52.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA07397 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by spice.perforce.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA20661; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:50:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Seiwald Message-Id: <199708280450.VAA20661@spice.perforce.com> To: www@freebsd.org Subject: el corrupto ftp3.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.2.2-RELEASE/bin/bin.bq Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The file pub/FreeBSD/2.2.2-RELEASE/bin/bin.bq is corrupt on ftp3.freebsd.org (ftp.phoenix.net). It is the right size but the md5 print is bad. FYI. Christopher From owner-freebsd-www Wed Aug 27 23:15:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA10710 for www-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from helix.net (root@asterix.helix.net [204.244.109.2] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA10705 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 207.200.129.71 (d-m01-39.cyberion.com [207.200.129.71]) by helix.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA25864 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:15:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33B43C38.53D4@helix.net> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:18:32 +0100 From: Ben Pepa Reply-To: bpepa@helix.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/software.html X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org/mailto.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi; The link to AstroArch on the page at http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/software.html has been changed - They now are at www.astroarch.com Ben From owner-freebsd-www Thu Aug 28 06:33:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA27757 for www-outgoing; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 06:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merope.saaf.se (merope.admin.kth.se [130.237.32.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA27751 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 06:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.raditex.se (ns.raditex.se [192.5.36.10]) by merope.saaf.se (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01647 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:33:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from utbsrv ([192.5.36.24]) by ns.raditex.se (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA03211 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 00:06:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <34057E0B.68A4@raditex.se> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:32:59 +0200 From: G Hasse Organization: Raditex AB X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Entry in http://www.freebsd.org/cgallery.html X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org/mailto.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Please add me in cgallery.html Raditex AB - Education and consultant in FreeBSD (Sweden) http://www.raditex.se GH gh@raditex.se From owner-freebsd-www Thu Aug 28 06:36:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA27852 for www-outgoing; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 06:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thermohaline.csc.ncsu.edu (thermohaline.csc.ncsu.edu [152.1.57.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA27820 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 06:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by thermohaline.csc.ncsu.edu (5.65/Eos/C-U-09Sep93) id AA13421; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:35:36 -0400 Message-Id: <9708281335.AA13421@thermohaline.csc.ncsu.edu> Subject: Re: Entry in http://www.freebsd.org/cgallery.html To: gh@raditex.se (G Hasse) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Cc: www@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <34057E0B.68A4@raditex.se> from "G Hasse" at Aug 28, 97 03:32:59 pm Reply-To: nsj@ncsu.edu From: nsj@ncsu.edu (Nate Johnson) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24/POP] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk %Raditex AB - Education and consultant in FreeBSD (Sweden) %http://www.raditex.se Please use the form: Cheers, nsj -- Nate Johnson / nsj@ncsu.edu / nsj@eos.ncsu.edu / nsj@FreeBSD.org Project Eos Systems Administrator, Engineering Computer Operations North Carolina State University, Raleigh, North Carolina From owner-freebsd-www Thu Aug 28 10:22:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA10721 for www-outgoing; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dont-care.csc.ncsu.edu (dont-care.csc.ncsu.edu [152.1.57.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA10710 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:22:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nsj@localhost) by dont-care.csc.ncsu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA27969; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708281721.NAA27969@dont-care.csc.ncsu.edu> Subject: Re: Entry in http://www.freebsd.org/cgallery.html To: gh@raditex.se (G Hasse) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Cc: www@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "G Hasse" at Aug 28, 97 05:03:09 pm Reply-To: nsj@ncsu.edu From: nsj@ncsu.edu (Nate Johnson) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24/POP] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk %I did... Sorry... No problem. I'll get it added this week. Thanks for your support! Cheers, nsj From owner-freebsd-www Thu Aug 28 15:37:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA24865 for www-outgoing; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pooh.cdrom.com (pooh.cdrom.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA24860 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from r3cgm@localhost) by pooh.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA05916; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970828153645.29280@cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:36:45 -0700 From: Christopher G Mann To: www@freebsd.org Subject: Break It Dude Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greetings... While browsing a random FreeBSD handbook page, http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook11.html I noticed that the text, FreeBSD Handbook : ... : Supported Configurations : Miscellaneous devices appeared directly after the image map at the top. So I got "FreeBSD" to the right of the image map, and then the text wrapped to the next physical line. Would it be possible to put a "
    " tag after the "" so that text doesn't wrap like this? -- Christopher G. Mann - r3cgm@cdrom.com Webmaster, Walnut Creek CDROM - (ftp|www).cdrom.com From owner-freebsd-www Fri Aug 29 03:00:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA24474 for www-outgoing; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 03:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA24469; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 03:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA00697; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 03:00:34 -0700 (PDT) To: jfieber@freebsd.org cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Something I've always wanted to see with the mailing list search Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 03:00:34 -0700 Message-ID: <693.872848834@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is thread preservation, e.g. when I do a search for "laptop AND IBM" and I get my 25 hits, clicking on a given article should enable me to travel up and down in the discussion thread with little up and down arrows (or something) displayed along with the message. I mean, if my keyword search has brought me smack-dab into a juicy thread about the exact subject I'm curious about, it stands to reason that I'd want to read the related articles, yes? How hard would this be to do? I'm guessing "hard, or I'd have done it already, eh!" as an answer. ;) Jordan From owner-freebsd-www Fri Aug 29 03:43:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA26022 for www-outgoing; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 03:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from schubert.promo.de (schubert.Promo.DE [194.45.188.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA26017; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 03:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [194.45.188.81] (stefan.Promo.DE [194.45.188.81]) by schubert.promo.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA12999; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 12:40:24 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: stefan@mail.promo.de Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <693.872848834@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 12:42:12 +0200 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , jfieber@FreeBSD.ORG From: Stefan Bethke Subject: Re: Something I've always wanted to see with the mailing list search Cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:00 Uhr +0200 29.08.1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >Is thread preservation, e.g. when I do a search for "laptop AND IBM" >and I get my 25 hits, clicking on a given article should enable me to >travel up and down in the discussion thread with little up and down >arrows (or something) displayed along with the message. > >I mean, if my keyword search has brought me smack-dab into a juicy >thread about the exact subject I'm curious about, it stands to reason >that I'd want to read the related articles, yes? > >How hard would this be to do? I'm guessing "hard, or I'd have done >it already, eh!" as an answer. ;) > > Jordan Yes, definitly. Something like DejaNews would be nice. I just haven't found the time to do anything, but my idea is like this: To find articles fast, you need to keep an index (into the raw files). Probably by message-id. This index would also contain the basic info about an article, such as subject, author, date, thread-id. When an article is added to the index, you either look at references: or try to match the subject sensibly (there are a lot mailers that won't generate references:/in-reply-to: correctly or at all) to find the thread it belongs to. A CGI then would use the index to retrieve the message by id, and additionally show messages belonging to this thread. The thread-id could be the message-id of the first message in the thread. Decomposing (MIME-) messages needs to be done, but there is ample code one could steal (pine, mh, ...). db should suffice for the indices, although a generic (SQL-)DB would be nice. Maybe I find some time beginning of october, when I have two weeks off... Maybe, I could talk my employer into supporting this; here at Promo we could make use of this, too. I'll talk to Martin how we can at least start this; after all, we're the CGI-Joes :-) Stefan -- Stefan Bethke Promo Datentechnik | Tel. +49-40-851744-0 + Systemberatung GmbH | Fax. +49-40-851744-44 Eduardstrasse 46-48 | e-mail: stefan@Promo.DE D-20257 Hamburg | http://www.Promo.DE/ From owner-freebsd-www Fri Aug 29 04:01:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA26777 for www-outgoing; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 04:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA26772; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 04:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA00927; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 04:01:17 -0700 (PDT) To: Stefan Bethke cc: jfieber@FreeBSD.ORG, www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Something I've always wanted to see with the mailing list search In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 Aug 1997 12:42:12 +0200." Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 04:01:17 -0700 Message-ID: <922.872852477@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'll talk to Martin how we can at least start this; after all, we're the > CGI-Joes :-) Cool! Rah rah rah! :) Jordan From owner-freebsd-www Fri Aug 29 06:53:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA04346 for www-outgoing; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 06:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA04341 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 06:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA13436; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:52:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:52:38 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Stefan Bethke cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Something I've always wanted to see with the mailing list search In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, Stefan Bethke wrote: > At 12:00 Uhr +0200 29.08.1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > >Is thread preservation, e.g. when I do a search for "laptop AND IBM" "Preservation" isn't quite the right term here...it is more like thread discovery. A thread is primairly a human construct that is loosely represented in the actual messages with In-reply-to, references and subject lines. DejaNews does the best that I've seen, but it still leaves some to be desired. For a good discussion of the issues, see: David D. Lewis and Kimberly A Knowles (1997) Threading electronic mail: a preliminary study. Information Processing & Management, 33(2):209-217. It turns out that breaking messages down in to quoted and unquoted chunks, indexing them separately, and using vector space similarity measures (what freeWAIS uses) for retrieval is more accurate in retrieving what a human would consider to be a message thread than following subject lines, in-reply-to or references fields. In the absence of those fields, it is really the only way to discover a thread. > Yes, definitly. Something like DejaNews would be nice. I just haven't found > the time to do anything, but my idea is like this: > > To find articles fast, you need to keep an index (into the raw files). > Probably by message-id. This index would also contain the basic info about > an article, such as subject, author, date, thread-id. I've been puttering around with using postgres for thread indexing using these field, but have not spent much time on it. Some preliminary experiments with freeWAIS (used for keyword searching) show some possibility, but even simple date restrictions in searches really stretch the boundaries of what freeWAIS was designed to do efficiently. As for constructing threads at index time, this may be best for efficiency but extra care must be give to how threads are represented. For example, an "in-reply-to" linked tree may contain several distinct, but related threads. It should be possible to get at the sub-threads individually, as well as the larger thread. This means that any message may have multiple thread membership, either directly or indirectly via some thread record with pointers to parent/child threads. Ultimately, I would hope for thread discovery at search time rather than indexing time because it offers much more flexibility in tweaking various dimensions of the thread concept--broadening or narrowing the boundaries, building threads that cross boundaries between in-reply-to message trees, etc.... What makes this problem difficult is the lack of off-the-shelf software. (And things like hypermail that don't scale are disqualified.) A relational sort of database is necessary for some parts of the problem, a text database for others but neither one is sufficient. The world would benefit greatly from good message threading software. Today, the individual message is the unit of retrieval, but from a human point of view, the thread should be. -john From owner-freebsd-www Fri Aug 29 07:16:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA06049 for www-outgoing; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 07:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA06034 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 07:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA13537; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:16:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:16:14 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Christopher G Mann cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Break It Dude In-Reply-To: <19970828153645.29280@cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Christopher G Mann wrote: > I noticed that the text, > > FreeBSD Handbook : ... : Supported Configurations : Miscellaneous devices > > appeared directly after the image map at the top. So I got "FreeBSD" > to the right of the image map, and then the text wrapped to the next > physical line. Would it be possible to put a "
    " tag after > the "" so that text doesn't wrap like this? Good tip, fix applied, should show up on the next update cycle of the "live" pages. -john From owner-freebsd-www Fri Aug 29 08:47:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA10697 for www-outgoing; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from schubert.promo.de (schubert.Promo.DE [194.45.188.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA10648 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:46:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [194.45.188.81] (stefan.Promo.DE [194.45.188.81]) by schubert.promo.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA13924; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:41:35 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: stefan@mail.promo.de Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:43:22 +0200 To: John Fieber From: Stefan Bethke Subject: Re: Something I've always wanted to see with the mailing list search Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , www@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 15:52 Uhr +0200 29.08.1997, John Fieber wrote: >For a good discussion of the issues, see: > > David D. Lewis and Kimberly A Knowles (1997) Threading > electronic mail: a preliminary study. Information Processing & > Management, 33(2):209-217. > Is this a book? If so, do you have an ISBN or something? Or do you know any online ressource? >It turns out that breaking messages down in to quoted and >unquoted chunks, indexing them separately, and using vector space >similarity measures (what freeWAIS uses) for retrieval is more >accurate in retrieving what a human would consider to be a >message thread than following subject lines, in-reply-to or >references fields. In the absence of those fields, it is really >the only way to discover a thread. You might be right. But given the amount of spare time I can put into this project, I'll stick to In-Reply-To:/References: and Subject:. Hopefully, the code will be modular enought that this can be changed later. >As for constructing threads at index time, this may be best for >efficiency but extra care must be give to how threads are >represented. For example, an "in-reply-to" linked tree may >contain several distinct, but related threads. It should be >possible to get at the sub-threads individually, as well as the >larger thread. This means that any message may have multiple >thread membership, either directly or indirectly via some thread >record with pointers to parent/child threads. Ultimately, I >would hope for thread discovery at search time rather than >indexing time because it offers much more flexibility in tweaking >various dimensions of the thread concept--broadening or narrowing >the boundaries, building threads that cross boundaries between >in-reply-to message trees, etc.... For the first step, it won't be a linked tree but a list: given a message, the in-reply-to id is used to look up the thread id from the message referenced, thus assigning all follow-ups the same thread-id. Yes, this leaves room for improvement :-) How do you determine the border between two threads, that are linked to the same anchestors? My general feeling is that I rather look through 100 messages to find the one I want than let an "intelligent" system present only one to me, and that being not the one I'm looking for. Cheers, Stefan -- Stefan Bethke Promo Datentechnik | Tel. +49-40-851744-0 + Systemberatung GmbH | Fax. +49-40-851744-44 Eduardstrasse 46-48 | e-mail: stefan@Promo.DE D-20257 Hamburg | http://www.Promo.DE/ From owner-freebsd-www Fri Aug 29 09:44:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA13295 for www-outgoing; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA13282 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA13848; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:44:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:44:34 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Stefan Bethke cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Something I've always wanted to see with the mailing list search In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, Stefan Bethke wrote: > At 15:52 Uhr +0200 29.08.1997, John Fieber wrote: > >For a good discussion of the issues, see: > > > > David D. Lewis and Kimberly A Knowles (1997) Threading > > electronic mail: a preliminary study. Information Processing & > > Management, 33(2):209-217. > > Is this a book? If so, do you have an ISBN or something? Or do you know any > online ressource? An article in a journal (Information Processing & Management, published in Great Britain by Elsevier). > You might be right. But given the amount of spare time I can put into this > project, I'll stick to In-Reply-To:/References: and Subject:. Hopefully, > the code will be modular enought that this can be changed later. Dates will be very helpful, but you the Date: field cannot be relied upon. Rather, use the date in the received: line of its arrival at freefall or hub. That should provide much more consistency. > How do you determine the border between two threads, that are linked to the > same anchestors? My general feeling is that I rather look through 100 > messages to find the one I want than let an "intelligent" system present > only one to me, and that being not the one I'm looking for. Without machinery for doing document similarity measures, about the only think that comes to mind is relying on the human convention of using (was: ...) in subject lines. From a topological view of a tree alone, I can't think of any way to determine that two long branches are related or not. You could assume that any branch longer than X constitutes a thread of its own, which just might be on the same topic as another branch. In fact, that is probably a better way to do it. But, if you can compute similarities between documents on one branch with documents in the other, and they are more different than the documents within a branch are from each other, we can guess that the common parent represented a branching point in the discussion. Which gives me an interesting idea...find one interesting thread and use the whole thread as a query to see if the topic was discussed at another time. -john From owner-freebsd-www Fri Aug 29 18:20:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA10598 for www-outgoing; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de [160.45.24.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA10586; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from mail.hanse.de (193.174.9.9) with smtp id ; Sat, 30 Aug 97 03:20 MEST Received: from wavehh.UUCP by mail.hanse.de with UUCP for jfieber@FreeBSD.ORG id ; Sat, 30 Aug 97 03:19 MET DST Received: by wavehh.hanse.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03885; Fri, 29 Aug 97 20:27:57 +0200 From: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer) Message-Id: <9708291827.AA03885@wavehh.hanse.de> Subject: Re: Something I've always wanted to see with the mailing list To: stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 20:27:57 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, jfieber@FreeBSD.ORG, www@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Stefan Bethke" at Aug 29, 97 12:42:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Yes, definitly. Something like DejaNews would be nice. I just haven't found > the time to do anything, but my idea is like this: Well, Dejanews actually did some work to index our mailing lists. But I didn't hear from them for weeks right now, not for the first time. Obviously we are not a high priority. Maybe they index threads by hand before bringing them online or the Linux folks over there censor our lists first :-) Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://cracauer.cons.org Fax +49 40 522 85 36 From owner-freebsd-www Fri Aug 29 21:34:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA17847 for www-outgoing; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 21:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.sympac.com.au (root@server.sympac.com.au [203.30.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA17835 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 21:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pc (mdm-1-30.sympac.com.au [203.30.68.49]) by server.sympac.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA20571 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:43:43 +1000 Message-ID: <3407A208.4470@wgcomp.com.au> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:31:04 +1000 From: Steve Farago Reply-To: rago@sympac.com.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Prices Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I need the price of face to face video card please. I want use my video camera to send pictures to ader side.So i need that type video card. From owner-freebsd-www Fri Aug 29 21:41:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA18206 for www-outgoing; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 21:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA18201 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 21:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA00902; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 21:41:14 -0700 (PDT) To: rago@sympac.com.au cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Prices In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:31:04 +1000." <3407A208.4470@wgcomp.com.au> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 21:41:14 -0700 Message-ID: <898.872916074@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This has nothing to do with us - I think you have the wrong web site. > I need the price of face to face video card please. I want use my video > camera to send pictures to ader side.So i need that type video card. From owner-freebsd-www Sat Aug 30 09:22:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA23629 for www-outgoing; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 09:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA23612 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 09:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id MAA14196 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 12:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 12:21:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: www@freebsd.org Subject: corrections to internet.html Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ----snip-----
  • Walnut Creek CD-ROM outside of San Francisco runs one of the most popular FTP servers on the net, one that supports 2000 simultaneous connections. Their server is a single FreeBSD machine, transferring between 2 and 4 terabytes (yes that is terabytes!) worth of files every month. The configuration details are available to those interested in building simililar systems.
    • ----snip---- The above changes "1600 simultaneous connections" To show the more accurate 2000 user limit, and also changed "between 2 and 3 terrabyes a month" to 2 and 4 terrabytes a month. Chris -- ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.2 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 Turning PCs into Workstations! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-freebsd-www Sat Aug 30 10:28:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA25721 for www-outgoing; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from techno.vnetwork.com (techno.vnetwork.com [207.152.120.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA25716 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:28:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vnetwork.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by techno.vnetwork.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03357 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 12:27:50 -0500 Message-ID: <34085815.F9377F94@vnetwork.com> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 12:27:49 -0500 From: Kevin Hill Organization: V-Network Multimedia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02b7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: bt848 driver page Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What happened to the page for the bt848 Video Capture Driver? Do you know if there are any other sites mirroring it? thanks, -kevin