From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Oct 4 06:25:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA08869 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 06:25:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (shell.monmouth.com [205.231.236.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA08853 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 06:25:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pechter@shell.monmouth.com) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA03078; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:24:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199810041324.JAA03078@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Re: Status Report on 2.2.6 Giveaway CD's To: brett@lariat.org (Brett Glass) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981003222921.04246600@mail.lariat.org> from "Brett Glass" at Oct 3, 98 10:32:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > At 11:31 PM 10/3/98 -0400, Bill/Carolyn Pechter wrote: > > >But if you don't have the background to do it right... Hire an > >experienced sysadmin. > > Your average home user, who could turn into the greatest advocate > of FreeBSD, isn't going to hire an experienced sysadmin, and > saying that he or she is expected to do so isn't an acceptable > excuse for distributing code with known security exploits. > > >My cat could probably subscribe to vendor security bulletins > >from Sun, IBM, Cert and watch www.rootshell.com at least weekly. > > > >How hard is checking for exploit news in news.com, slashdot.org, etc. > > You're assuming that this person is (a) online and (b) technically > knowledgeable enough to understand those often cryptic lists. > > >begin bitch mode > > > >who's tired of going up against certified novices, wanna be's and > >others who've only dealt with one vendor's Unix for jobs and being > >told that experience is nice -- but the salary is limited and I'm > >too expensive. > > > >You get what you pay for. (This site is now looking for the third > >sysadmin in 3 years). > > > >end bitch mode... > > I agree that good sysadmins aren't valued nearly as highly as they > should be. But it's inappropriate to require a sysadmin for EVERY > UNIX machine, any more than it would be for every Windows machine. > > --Brett > > Your average hacker is not going to try to hack a FreeBSD box in a house connected over a 28.8 either. It's too slow to gain much and too small to be a problem. The SOHO user's may have more of a problem with ISDN but they're rarely on 24x7. The cable modem folks may be at more risk. I don't know anyone not runing a business with a home 56k to T1. I know no one has a home DS3 (or I'd have one)... 8-( I've had one attempt which was caused by someone trying to ftp to my machine which has a dynamically assigned id and ip (and he was probably trying to get to his home machine). This is in 6 years! I had more trouble with an open modem line and a public access 68k Unix box with news feed. Bill +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Bill and/or Carolyn Pechter | pechter@shell.monmouth.com | | Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a villain in | | a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Oct 4 09:37:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25096 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:37:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25079 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:36:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id KAA23892; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:36:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19981004103156.042058c0@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 10:33:22 -0600 To: Bill/Carolyn Pechter From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Status Report on 2.2.6 Giveaway CD's Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810041324.JAA03078@shell.monmouth.com> References: <4.1.19981003222921.04246600@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 09:24 AM 10/4/98 -0400, Bill/Carolyn Pechter wrote: >Your average hacker is not going to try to hack a FreeBSD box in a house >connected over a 28.8 either. It's too slow to gain much and too small >to be a problem. The SOHO user's may have more of a problem with ISDN >but they're rarely on 24x7. The cable modem folks may be at more risk. They are! I have already closed security holes for a group of cable modem users who were being attacked. Speed, however, is not the issue. It doesn't take much bandwidth to send a 2K-byte exploit. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Oct 4 13:43:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23795 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:43:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wanadoo.fr (smtp-out-2.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23763 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:42:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@wanadoo.fr) Received: from root@tamaya.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.31] by wanadoo.fr for Paris Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:41:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mac1-24.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.252.177.24] by smtp.wanadoo.fr for Paris Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:41:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from root@localhost) by sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA04163; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:00:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from root) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:00:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199810042000.WAA04163@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo> From: Stephane Legrand MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: FreeBSD-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Contribution fund (was: Device Drivers for Linux and Intel's annoucement) In-Reply-To: <14468.907442672@time.cdrom.com> References: <199810031834.OAA18700@remote.my.domain> <14468.907442672@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > > Perhaps we could start a contribution fund for additional marketing? Where > > do I send my $$$'s? > > FreeBSD, Inc. It's in the handbook and indeed, were I to get enough > money to retain a marketing firm in addition to WC's own investment, > I certainly will! > And when the form to order something on the Walnut Creek secure web server will also include a special "product" called "donation for the FreeBSD project" ? It would be really much simpler to make donations especially for non-US residents. -- Stephane.Legrand@wanadoo.fr | systeme d'exploitation FreeBSD http://perso.wanadoo.fr/stephane.legrand/ | http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Oct 4 15:46:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12393 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:46:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12336 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:45:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10265; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:45:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Stephane Legrand cc: FreeBSD-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Contribution fund (was: Device Drivers for Linux and Intel's annoucement) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Oct 1998 22:00:05 +0200." <199810042000.WAA04163@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 15:45:00 -0700 Message-ID: <10258.907541100@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > And when the form to order something on the Walnut Creek secure web > server will also include a special "product" called "donation for the > FreeBSD project" ? It would be really much simpler to make donations > especially for non-US residents. It's supposed to have this already but somebody didn't add it; thanks for the reminder, I'll poke them again. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Oct 4 18:52:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05935 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:52:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.mishkei.org.il (host3-64.mishkei.org.il [62.0.64.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05866 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:51:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rom_glsa@ein-hashofet.co.il) Received: from ein-hashofet.co.il (host42-68.mishkei.org.il [62.0.68.42]) by mail.mishkei.org.il (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA29784 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 04:50:20 +0200 Message-ID: <36184243.DCE3494B@ein-hashofet.co.il> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 03:51:31 +0000 From: Gilad Rom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Graphical Desktop for FreeBSD. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, In the past couple of weeks i have been working on a little project that serves as a graphical front end to pkg_create, For the FreeBSD X contest, To make it a little easier for people to create themes for that contest. It is based on GTK+, A very nice GUI toolkit for X, And I was thinking about a more extensive project, Like a set of graphical tools/front ends to the various FreeBSD - Specific tools, like CVSup or PPP. Since the X Contest aims to bring a Default Desktop to the basic FreeBSD installation, as in Installing X with a Default Configuration, not with twm as default, It would be nice to include other easy to use, graphical applications that will share a constant look and feel and will make newbies alot more comfortable with FreeBSD. Sure, this idea isnt new in any case, but still, this is something We are lacking and i really think this could change the way people look at FreeBSD as a desktop Operating System, or even as a better way to introduce it, In general. If anyone has any comments on that, Please do reply. Bye, Gilad. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Oct 4 21:52:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02973 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:52:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.atl.bellsouth.net (mail.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02893 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:51:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wghicks@bellsouth.net) Received: from remote.my.domain (root@host-209-214-68-22.atl.bellsouth.net [209.214.68.22]) by mail.atl.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA22323 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.atl.bellsouth.net (wghicks@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by remote.my.domain (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA03371; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810050451.AAA03371@remote.my.domain> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG cc: wghicks@remote.my.domain Subject: Advocacy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 00:51:18 -0400 From: Jerry Hicks Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm interested in hearing of any success stories from charitable organizations using FreeBSD. We have a meeting arranged with such a group here in Atlanta and believe it might be profitable to present a few references. We are most interested in any situations where FreeBSD is used for daily operations by the organization staff, rather than simply hosting WWW content. Fundraising and contribution tracking are among the most important activities for these groups. Does anyone know of any relevant open-source software to assist with those tasks? Thanks, Jerry Hicks wghicks@bellsouth.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 5 01:39:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA02812 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:39:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xcf.berkeley.edu (scam.XCF.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA02807 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:39:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nordwick@xcf.berkeley.edu) Received: (qmail 816 invoked from network); 5 Oct 1998 08:40:33 -0000 Received: from ip40.san-francisco22.ca.pub-ip.psi.net (HELO yasmeen) (38.28.60.40) by scam.xcf.berkeley.edu with SMTP; 5 Oct 1998 08:40:33 -0000 Message-ID: <003901bdf03a$de8772b0$283c1c26@yasmeen.citycom.com> From: "Jason Nordwick" To: "Gilad Rom" , Subject: Re: Graphical Desktop for FreeBSD. Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:33:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: Gilad Rom >Hi, > >In the past couple of weeks i have been working on a little >project that serves as a graphical front end to pkg_create, >For the FreeBSD X contest, To make it a little easier for >people to create themes for that contest. > >It is based on GTK+, A very nice GUI toolkit for X, >And I was thinking about a more extensive project, >Like a set of graphical tools/front ends to the various >FreeBSD - Specific tools, like CVSup or PPP. > >Since the X Contest aims to bring a Default Desktop to the >basic FreeBSD installation, as in Installing X with a Default >Configuration, not with twm as default, It would be nice >to include other easy to use, graphical applications >that will share a constant look and feel and will make >newbies alot more comfortable with FreeBSD. Sure, this idea >isnt new in any case, but still, this is something We are lacking >and i really think this could change the way people look at >FreeBSD as a desktop Operating System, or even as a better way >to introduce it, In general. > >If anyone has any comments on that, Please do reply. > Is this along the lines of Linuxconf? I think that they have the right idea in some respects that it can be run over a telnet session, using an ANSI terminal. I was actually going to install RH5.1 this week just to see what Linux has that is so great compared to FBSD that I am always hearing about. I think that there needs to be a unified interface for all system administration, notably: /etc/sysconfig (I cant remember the new name for it). ppp pkg_* and ports Just these things alone would go very far in reducing the entry cost of FBSD. >Bye, Gilad. Jay -- 4.4 > 98 http://www.xcf.berkeley.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 5 08:26:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23905 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:26:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cerberus.partsnow.com (cerberus.partsnow.com [207.155.26.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23884 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:26:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Don@Partsnow.com) Received: (from bin@localhost) by cerberus.partsnow.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA18888 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:23:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: cerberus.partsnow.com: bin set sender to using -f Received: from ecad1(192.168.100.14) by cerberus.partsnow.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018875; Mon, 5 Oct 98 08:22:50 -0700 Message-ID: <361881E7.3A086611@Partsnow.com> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 08:23:03 +0000 From: Don Wilde Organization: Soligen, Incorporated X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: nominate your favorite enemy corporation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > http://webreview.com/wr/pub/98/10/02/frames/index.html#top ... is the URL for Michael Swaine's Inertia Awards contest. I've nominated a certain company from the Northwest, but I'm sure multiple nominations won't hurt... ;D -- oooOOO O O O o * * * * * * o ___ _________ _________ ________ _________ _________ ___==_ V_=_=_DW ===--- Don Wilde [don@PartsNow.com] [http://www.PartsNow.com ] /oo0000oo-oo--oo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo--ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-oo--oo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 5 10:59:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22413 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:59:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (mail1.its.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22401 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:59:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA74634; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:59:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: drosih@pop1.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <361881E7.3A086611@Partsnow.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:03:56 -0400 To: Don Wilde , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: nominate your favorite enemy corporation Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 8:23 AM +0000 10/5/98, Don Wilde wrote: >> http://webreview.com/wr/pub/98/10/02/frames/index.html#top > > ... is the URL for Michael Swaine's Inertia Awards contest. I've > nominated a certain company from the Northwest, but I'm sure > multiple nominations won't hurt... ;D My understanding is that this mailing list is for us to discuss how to advocate FreeBSD to new customers, and not a list to waste time with name-calling of the competition. Pissing on microsoft might be fun, but it doesn't convince anyone to "buy into" freebsd. Now, I am sincere in saying it might very well be fun to do, I'm just saying it will not help to advocate freebsd. Let us not get confused as to what actions are really going to help this project gain more happy customers. You can be pretty sure that no one at Microsoft is going to waste their time nominating any other OS in this "inertia" list. They are too busy asking themselves "How can we get more customers?". Or maybe we should have a catagory for "inertia in marketting", and then we can have a grand old time nominating ourselves while microsoft continues to pour resources into capturing the hearts and minds of any and all customers. Microsoft didn't capture 90% of the marketplace thru "inertia". They may not do much for computing innovation in Redmond, but they certainly are not "succeeding thru inertia" either. Just my opinion, obviously... --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 5 12:28:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11002 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:28:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [207.170.17.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10908 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:27:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlemon@americantv.com) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21944 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:27:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by right.PCS (8.6.13/8.6.4) id OAA01594; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:26:51 -0500 Message-ID: <19981005142651.29722@right.PCS> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:26:51 -0500 From: Jonathan Lemon To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PETSc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I sent off a note to the PETSc maintainers last week and received a reply this morning. The upshot was: Their build environment does a lot of "include this/config/file" kind of syntax, and FreeBSD's make did not understand the "include ..." syntax. (Checking the CVS logs shows whether "include ..." is understood is contained within a SYSV compatability #define, which defaulted to "off" until 2 years ago.) I guess this also says something about the age of the system that they were using. They polled their mailing list of users, and only one user was using FreeBSD, and was also in the process of converting to Linux. So, given: 1. no FreeBSD demand for their software (according to their ftp logs), 2. no apparent users, and 3. an apparently broken make, I guess I can understand their wording. They did say that they would be changing the wording of the page to reflect the fact that the software will work with later versions of FBSD. -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 5 15:47:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21912 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:47:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peloton.physics.montana.edu (peloton.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21877 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:46:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA08403; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:45:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:45:47 -0600 (MDT) From: Brett Taylor To: "Jason C. Wells" cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Submissions to Daemon News In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, > What is the process for getting an article submitted. If you have an article you have written or want to write, then you should email me or chris at editor@peloton.physics.montana.edu and we'll talk it over. Unless it's something off the wall we'll take it. If you want to join the core team, you can do so by sending an email to majordomo@peloton.physics.montana.edu with "subscribe ezine-core" in the body. Frankly we really need more formatters right now so if you'd like to help w/ that it'd be great. Heck, helping w/ anything would be good. More info on the team/submitting articles/etc can be found at: http://ezine.freebsd.org/ Brett ****************************************************************** Brett Taylor brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu http://peloton.physics.montana.edu/brett/ "There is something uncanny in the noiseless rush of the cyclist, as he comes into view, passes by, and disappears." - Popular Science, 1891 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 5 17:59:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA22078 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:59:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from banshee.cs.uow.edu.au (banshee.cs.uow.edu.au [130.130.188.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA22060 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:58:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au) Received: (from ncb05@localhost) by banshee.cs.uow.edu.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA06725; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:58:34 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:58:34 +1000 (EST) From: Nicholas Charles Brawn X-Sender: ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au To: Bill/Carolyn Pechter cc: Brett Glass , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status Report on 2.2.6 Giveaway CD's In-Reply-To: <199810041324.JAA03078@shell.monmouth.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brett, you hit the nail on the head with your concerns about ppl getting burnt by older/vulnerable software being present on the cd's. And guess what, YOU CAN HELP. Find out all the vulnerabilities and bugs present in various distributions, and whip up a script that checks for their presence on your system. Tell new users of freebsd to download said script, which will advise them about known bugs and vulnerabilities present in 'x' distribution, and what they are able to do to prevent them and/or patch them. I'm sure if you put something decent enough together, Jordan or someone else would be kind enough to add it to the FAQ. So stop your complaining about previous versions. YES some contain buggy and vulnerable software, but for the most part, they are still decent releases. Go out and write those shell scripts now. Nick -- Email: ncb@poboxes.com - http://www.poboxes.com/ncb Key fingerprint = DE 30 33 D3 16 91 C8 8D A7 F8 70 03 B7 77 1A 2A "When in doubt, ask someone wiser than yourself..." -unknown To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 5 18:07:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24161 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:07:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA24153 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:07:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id TAA07229; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:07:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19981005190111.04196470@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 19:06:08 -0600 To: Nicholas Charles Brawn , Bill/Carolyn Pechter From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Status Report on 2.2.6 Giveaway CD's Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <199810041324.JAA03078@shell.monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 10:58 AM 10/6/98 +1000, Nicholas Charles Brawn wrote: >Find out all the vulnerabilities and bugs present in various >distributions, and whip up a script that checks for their presence on >your system. > >Tell new users of freebsd to download said script, which will advise >them about known bugs and vulnerabilities present in 'x' distribution, >and what they are able to do to prevent them and/or patch them. Newbies won't necessarily know how to download the script, or what to do with it. And if they just get a 2.2.6 disk, they won't know that such a script exists. That's why a sticker on the disk would be a good idea. Alternatively, an install feature that diplays a dynamic "readme" from a server out on the Net might be a good way to inform them. But there are two problems with the latter approach. First, the user's machine might not be ON the Net yet. In that case, the install program will no longer be running. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 5 18:40:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29012 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:40:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (pm3-23.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.85.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA29001 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:40:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA24574; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:42:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:42:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: Gilad Rom cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Graphical Desktop for FreeBSD. In-Reply-To: <36184243.DCE3494B@ein-hashofet.co.il> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Gilad Rom wrote: [...] > In the past couple of weeks i have been working on a little > project that serves as a graphical front end to pkg_create, > For the FreeBSD X contest, To make it a little easier for > people to create themes for that contest. ports/sysutils/pib > It is based on GTK+, A very nice GUI toolkit for X, > And I was thinking about a more extensive project, > Like a set of graphical tools/front ends to the various > FreeBSD - Specific tools, like CVSup or PPP. All nasty things about GTK+ aside (OOP in C, ick), this sounds like an interesting idea, however getting everyone to agree on all the nitpicky details is a task I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. CVSup has it's own GUI, and while not for iij-ppp, KDE has a nice little dialer that works with the version of pppd included with fbsd. > Since the X Contest aims to bring a Default Desktop to the > basic FreeBSD installation, as in Installing X with a Default > Configuration, not with twm as default, It would be nice > to include other easy to use, graphical applications > that will share a constant look and feel and will make > newbies alot more comfortable with FreeBSD. Sure, this idea > isnt new in any case, but still, this is something We are lacking > and i really think this could change the way people look at > FreeBSD as a desktop Operating System, or even as a better way > to introduce it, In general. I think this is the basic goal of both Gnome and KDE, and while I would lean more towards making KDE the default, I think it's probably best to leave something as neutral as twm the default. That said, I think that some sysinstall extension to allow one to select a desktop "theme" (perhaps, E!, Gnome or KDE, etc, etc) would be a better idea (or at least second best). > If anyone has any comments on that, Please do reply. This all assumes, that attracting the l33t Linux crowd is a good thing. - alex | "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern | | technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." | | Powered by FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/ | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 5 19:02:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01996 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:02:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from banshee.cs.uow.edu.au (banshee.cs.uow.edu.au [130.130.188.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA01980 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:02:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au) Received: (from ncb05@localhost) by banshee.cs.uow.edu.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id MAA23359; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:02:16 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:02:16 +1000 (EST) From: Nicholas Charles Brawn X-Sender: ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au To: Gilad Rom cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Graphical Desktop for FreeBSD. In-Reply-To: <36184243.DCE3494B@ein-hashofet.co.il> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Gilad Rom wrote: > It is based on GTK+, A very nice GUI toolkit for X, > And I was thinking about a more extensive project, > Like a set of graphical tools/front ends to the various > FreeBSD - Specific tools, like CVSup or PPP. I agree. I believe that any serious attempt at a commercial distribution will require a lot of frontend-utilities for x - ala what Red Hat has done. The ones which first spring to mind are ones which newbies have the most trouble with, for instance: - Kernel configuration (it's simple enough now, but it could be made simpler) - Network Configuration (bringing up interfaces, etc) - Security utility(s) (enable easy maintenance of various security settings) And so on... To this end, I'm working off and on a x-frontend for ipfw, and if/when done, will start work on a kernel configuration frontend. Nick, who much prefers *real* coding :) -- Email: ncb@poboxes.com - http://www.poboxes.com/ncb Key fingerprint = DE 30 33 D3 16 91 C8 8D A7 F8 70 03 B7 77 1A 2A "When in doubt, ask someone wiser than yourself..." -unknown To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 5 19:28:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05583 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:28:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA05482 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:28:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA20765; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:57:53 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id LAA00202; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:57:52 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981006115752.L27781@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:57:52 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Brett Glass , Nicholas Charles Brawn , Bill/Carolyn Pechter Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status Report on 2.2.6 Giveaway CD's References: <199810041324.JAA03078@shell.monmouth.com> <4.1.19981005190111.04196470@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981005190111.04196470@mail.lariat.org>; from Brett Glass on Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 07:06:08PM -0600 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 5 October 1998 at 19:06:08 -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > At 10:58 AM 10/6/98 +1000, Nicholas Charles Brawn wrote: > >> Find out all the vulnerabilities and bugs present in various >> distributions, and whip up a script that checks for their presence on >> your system. >> >> Tell new users of freebsd to download said script, which will advise >> them about known bugs and vulnerabilities present in 'x' distribution, >> and what they are able to do to prevent them and/or patch them. > > Newbies won't necessarily know how to download the script, or what to do > with it. And if they just get a 2.2.6 disk, they won't know that such > a script exists. > > That's why a sticker on the disk would be a good idea. To be fair, that's not a bad idea. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 5 20:29:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17103 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:29:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kakapo.pinnacle.co.nz (pinsoft.internet.co.nz [202.37.141.181]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17086 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:29:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonc@pinnacle.co.nz) Received: from tui.pinnacle.co.nz (tui.pinnacle.co.nz [202.37.163.3]) by kakapo.pinnacle.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA08929 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:27:21 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from jonc@pinnacle.co.nz) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:27:21 +1300 From: Jonathan Chen To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status Report on 2.2.6 Giveaway CD's In-Reply-To: <19981006115752.L27781@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On a total tangent, does anyone know just how many FreeBSD 2.2.6 CD-Packs have been sold/given away? This number should be a good base to determine the current minimum number of FreeBSD installations.. Yes? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Chen | When all else fails, RTFM ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 5 21:29:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28373 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:29:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28339; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:29:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (wes@zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA11753; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:29:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <36199C97.2F2B5E96@softweyr.com> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 22:29:11 -0600 From: Wes Peters Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garance A Drosihn CC: Don Wilde , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nominate your favorite enemy corporation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Garance A Drosihn wrote: > > At 8:23 AM +0000 10/5/98, Don Wilde wrote: > >> http://webreview.com/wr/pub/98/10/02/frames/index.html#top > > > > ... is the URL for Michael Swaine's Inertia Awards contest. I've > > nominated a certain company from the Northwest, but I'm sure > > multiple nominations won't hurt... ;D > > My understanding is that this mailing list is for us to discuss > how to advocate FreeBSD to new customers, and not a list to waste > time with name-calling of the competition. Pissing on microsoft > might be fun, but it doesn't convince anyone to "buy into" freebsd. > > Now, I am sincere in saying it might very well be fun to do, I'm > just saying it will not help to advocate freebsd. Which means the original message should have appeared on freebsd-chat, as this and subsequent followups will. Please note that "piss on Microsoft" threads are OPENLY WELCOMED on freebsd-chat. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 5 21:31:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28782 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:31:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28742 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:31:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA16641; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:31:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Greg Lehey cc: Brett Glass , Nicholas Charles Brawn , Bill/Carolyn Pechter , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status Report on 2.2.6 Giveaway CD's In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 11:57:52 +0930." <19981006115752.L27781@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:31:03 -0700 Message-ID: <16637.907648263@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > To be fair, that's not a bad idea. But also moot, since there hasn't been a 2.2.6 CD given out for some time, at least not by anyone who'd be likely to print stickers. I've been out of the things at WC for at least a month now. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 5 21:32:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28849 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:32:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28803 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:31:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA16657; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:31:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Jonathan Chen cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status Report on 2.2.6 Giveaway CD's In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 16:27:21 +1300." Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:31:54 -0700 Message-ID: <16654.907648314@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On a total tangent, does anyone know just how many FreeBSD 2.2.6 > CD-Packs have been sold/given away? This number should be a good base > to determine the current minimum number of FreeBSD installations.. Yes? I'm not sure they're a good measurement since you have no idea of knowing how many truly ended up getting *used* and which were just grabbed as trophy items, never to make it out of the shrink-wrap. In any case, over 6000 were given away. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 5 21:43:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA00872 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:43:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from banshee.cs.uow.edu.au (banshee.cs.uow.edu.au [130.130.188.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA00867 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:43:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au) Received: (from ncb05@localhost) by banshee.cs.uow.edu.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA06840; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:43:26 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:43:26 +1000 (EST) From: Nicholas Charles Brawn X-Sender: ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status Report on 2.2.6 Giveaway CD's In-Reply-To: <16637.907648263@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > To be fair, that's not a bad idea. > > But also moot, since there hasn't been a 2.2.6 CD given out for some > time, at least not by anyone who'd be likely to print stickers. > I've been out of the things at WC for at least a month now. > > - Jordan > Well, to carry this on further, it could be a generic "please check http://www.freebsd.org/ for latest updates, etc" These could easily be added to any upcoming or present distribution. Now all we've gotta do is get some stickers printed, and get that url up. :) Nick -- Email: ncb@poboxes.com - http://www.poboxes.com/ncb Key fingerprint = DE 30 33 D3 16 91 C8 8D A7 F8 70 03 B7 77 1A 2A "When in doubt, ask someone wiser than yourself..." -unknown To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 5 22:03:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03306 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:03:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA03297 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:03:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA16809; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:03:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Nicholas Charles Brawn cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status Report on 2.2.6 Giveaway CD's In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Oct 1998 14:43:26 +1000." Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 22:03:23 -0700 Message-ID: <16805.907650203@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Well, to carry this on further, it could be a generic "please check > http://www.freebsd.org/ for latest updates, etc" It is generic and documented as a first point of contact already. http://www.freebsd.org/releases//errata.html - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 5 22:10:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA04394 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:10:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail-gw6.pacbell.net (mail-gw6.pacbell.net [206.13.28.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA04377 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:10:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gekk0@usa.net) From: gekk0@usa.net Received: from hellhole (ppp-207-214-213-42.sntc01.pacbell.net [207.214.213.42]) by mail-gw6.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id WAA16765; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981004135955.0069aed8@pop.netaddress.com> X-Sender: gekk0@pop.netaddress.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 13:59:55 -0700 To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status Report on 2.2.6 Giveaway CD's Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <16637.907648263@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Perhaps http://www.freebsd.org/security/ ??? since it already exists.... just my $.02 At 02:43 PM 10/6/98 +1000, Nicholas Charles Brawn wrote: >On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > >Well, to carry this on further, it could be a generic "please check >http://www.freebsd.org/ for latest updates, etc" > >These could easily be added to any upcoming or present distribution. > >Now all we've gotta do is get some stickers printed, and get that url >up. :) > >Nick > ------------- gekk0@usa.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 5 22:13:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA04782 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:13:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA04766 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:13:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA21337; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:43:04 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id OAA02023; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:42:59 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981006144259.A27781@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:42:59 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Nicholas Charles Brawn , "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status Report on 2.2.6 Giveaway CD's References: <16637.907648263@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Nicholas Charles Brawn on Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 02:43:26PM +1000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday, 6 October 1998 at 14:43:26 +1000, Nicholas Charles Brawn wrote: > On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > >>> To be fair, that's not a bad idea. >> >> But also moot, since there hasn't been a 2.2.6 CD given out for some >> time, at least not by anyone who'd be likely to print stickers. >> I've been out of the things at WC for at least a month now. > > Well, to carry this on further, it could be a generic "please check > http://www.freebsd.org/ for latest updates, etc" > > These could easily be added to any upcoming or present distribution. > > Now all we've gotta do is get some stickers printed, and get that url > up. :) The more obvious thing to do is to incorporate it on the last page of the booklet, in a form that can't be missed. As soon as you open the box, there it is. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Oct 6 02:55:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA14571 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 02:55:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA14536 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 02:55:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from bergelmir.ifi.uio.no (2602@bergelmir.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.172]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id LAA23123; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:55:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by bergelmir.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:55:24 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Nicholas Charles Brawn Cc: Gilad Rom , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Graphical Desktop for FreeBSD. References: Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 06 Oct 1998 11:55:24 +0200 In-Reply-To: Nicholas Charles Brawn's message of "Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:02:16 +1000 (EST)" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id CAA14558 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nicholas Charles Brawn writes: > - Kernel configuration (it's simple enough now, but it could be made > simpler) andreasd@ifi.uio.no (one of my converts) is working on this. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Oct 6 08:12:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03153 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:12:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from banshee.cs.uow.edu.au (banshee.cs.uow.edu.au [130.130.188.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03145 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:12:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au) Received: (from ncb05@localhost) by banshee.cs.uow.edu.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id BAA26239; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:12:02 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:12:02 +1000 (EST) From: Nicholas Charles Brawn X-Sender: ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re Fwd: FreeBSD port of Codewarrior (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nice to actually hear back from these people. :) Nick -- Email: ncb@poboxes.com - http://www.poboxes.com/ncb Key fingerprint = DE 30 33 D3 16 91 C8 8D A7 F8 70 03 B7 77 1A 2A ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:04:27 -0500 From: Support To: ncb05@uow.edu.au Subject: Re Fwd: FreeBSD port of Codewarrior In regards to your support question, Reference No. IL9810-0644; Mr. Brawn, Thank you for you interest in CW for Linux. In regards to your question about a version of CW for FreeBSD, currently we have no plans of providing a FreeBSD binary. However, I will forward your email to the appropriate people who make these decisions. Let us know if you have any further questions. Thanks, Zeid Derhally Metrowerks Technical Support ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Please continue to send bug reports to our support address; support@metrowerks.com Thank you for being a CodeWarrior. -- Metrowerks Technical Support Group support@metrowerks.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ----------------------- X-Sender: smorris@austin.metrowerks.com Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:06:44 -0700 To: support@austin.metrowerks.com From: Stephanie Franks Subject: Fwd: FreeBSD port of Codewarrior. Mime-Version: 1.0 >Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:16:52 +1000 (EST) >From: Nicholas Charles Brawn >X-Sender: ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au >To: smorris@austin.metrowerks.com >Subject: FreeBSD port of Codewarrior. > >I read with enthusiasm your recent announcement about Codewarrior on >Linux. I am a FreeBSD user, and have been told to do development with >Codewarrior for my computer science courses. Up until now I've had to do >that on either Windows or Macintosh. FreeBSD has Linux emulation, which >I assume will run Codewarrior, but could you make a native BSD version >available? > >Cheers, >Nick > >-- >Email: ncb@poboxes.com - http://www.poboxes.com/ncb >Key fingerprint = DE 30 33 D3 16 91 C8 8D A7 F8 70 03 B7 77 1A 2A >"When in doubt, ask someone wiser than yourself..." -unknown > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Oct 6 11:23:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10364 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:23:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10341 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:23:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02928; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:23:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd002849; Tue Oct 6 11:23:12 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA25607; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:23:08 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199810061823.LAA25607@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Status Report on 2.2.6 Giveaway CD's To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:23:08 +0000 (GMT) Cc: jonc@pinnacle.co.nz, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <16654.907648314@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Oct 5, 98 09:31:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > On a total tangent, does anyone know just how many FreeBSD 2.2.6 > > CD-Packs have been sold/given away? This number should be a good base > > to determine the current minimum number of FreeBSD installations.. Yes? > > I'm not sure they're a good measurement since you have no idea of > knowing how many truly ended up getting *used* and which were just > grabbed as trophy items, never to make it out of the shrink-wrap. > In any case, over 6000 were given away. He said "sold/given away", not just "given away". 8-). You aren't going to get sales numbers out of Jordan... Also, try the other FreeBSD CDROM vendors... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Oct 6 12:01:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19518 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:01:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19427 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:01:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id MAA25374; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id MAA13807; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:00:16 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id NAA25731; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:00:15 -0600 Message-ID: <361A68BF.15E177E0@softweyr.com> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:00:15 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nicholas Charles Brawn CC: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re Fwd: FreeBSD port of Codewarrior (fwd) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nicholas Charles Brawn wrote: > > Nice to actually hear back from these people. :) > > Nick > > -- > Email: ncb@poboxes.com - http://www.poboxes.com/ncb > Key fingerprint = DE 30 33 D3 16 91 C8 8D A7 F8 70 03 B7 77 1A 2A > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:04:27 -0500 > From: Support > To: ncb05@uow.edu.au > Subject: Re Fwd: FreeBSD port of Codewarrior > > In regards to your support question, Reference No. IL9810-0644; > > Mr. Brawn, > > Thank you for you interest in CW for Linux. In regards to your question > about a version of CW for FreeBSD, currently we have no plans of > providing a FreeBSD binary. However, I will forward your email to the > appropriate people who make these decisions. > > Let us know if you have any further questions. > > Thanks, > Zeid Derhally > Metrowerks Technical Support > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Please continue to send bug reports to our support address; > support@metrowerks.com > > Thank you for being a CodeWarrior. > > -- Metrowerks Technical Support Group > support@metrowerks.com > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > ----------------------- > > X-Sender: smorris@austin.metrowerks.com > Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:06:44 -0700 > To: support@austin.metrowerks.com > From: Stephanie Franks > Subject: Fwd: FreeBSD port of Codewarrior. > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > >Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:16:52 +1000 (EST) > >From: Nicholas Charles Brawn > >X-Sender: ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au > >To: smorris@austin.metrowerks.com > >Subject: FreeBSD port of Codewarrior. > > > >I read with enthusiasm your recent announcement about Codewarrior on > >Linux. I am a FreeBSD user, and have been told to do development with > >Codewarrior for my computer science courses. Up until now I've had to do > >that on either Windows or Macintosh. FreeBSD has Linux emulation, which > >I assume will run Codewarrior, but could you make a native BSD version > >available? For those of you considering pestering MetroWerks for CodeWarrior on FreeBSD, you may want to consider that Be just announced they are moving FROM CodeWarrior to EGCS in BeOS R4 on x86. No negative reasons were given for this transition, but it is well known that MetroWerks x86 code generation is not as good as GCC, the compiler is not as close to current C++ standards as EGCS, and their current debugger support is very limited. MetroWerks has done a lot of work polishing CodeWarrior for embedded development in the last year, which usually means ELF+DWARF in the 32-bit world. A port to Linux is probably a no-brainer on their part. A port from Linux to FreeBSD 3.0 would probably come as close to trivial as any compiler port ever could, but I'm not sure it would get you anything other than a "commercial" compiler. This may be a good opportunity for the "Works with FreeBSD" branding program, though. We just test the Linux executable, observe that it a) runs, b) correctly manages to link CW-generated ELF object files with FreeBSD libraries, and c) the executables will actually run on FreeBSD. This may or may not get the debugger to work; I suspect the debugger will probaly require a very fine-grain emulation of the Linux procfs, and I don't know if our emulation is that good yet. -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters +1.801.915.2061 Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Oct 6 13:11:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05189 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:11:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from remarque.org (pox.remarque.org [206.80.1.42] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05052; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:11:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from strata@remarque.org) Received: (from strata@localhost) by remarque.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA12165; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 98 12:56:45 PDT From: strata@virtual.net Reply-To: strata@virtual.net To: netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-admin@FreeBSD.ORG, linux-admin@vger.rutgers.edu, advocacy-talk@balug.org Subject: Seeking Speakers: LISA98 Freenix Admin panel Message-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Interested in being part of a panel at LISA'98 in Boston (December 9 - 11)? Send a brief paragraph or two about your experience/background to me, and please mention which freenix is your specialty. We are looking for policy experience as much as technical and are particularly interested in support and production issues. **** Please respond by Oct 11th if possible! **** PANEL TOPIC: Freenix Administration Issues This panel will not be about "which freenix to use". It will be about technical, logistical, and management issues involved in making freenix use viable in ordinary university and commerical environments. Many sysadmins would like to be using freenix servers in their organization but their management may view "free" as a stigma rather than a virtue. We hope that this discussion will give sysadmins a powerful "toolset of ideas" for successfully introducing and maintaining freenix at their workplace. We also expect that issues to be solved will emerge, some of which may be of assistance in maturing freenix technologies for more routine use. Cheers, _Strata [LISA'98 Practicum Track Committee] PS- Due to the number of speakers we will be having for panels, it is unlikely that we will be able to comp folks. However if you are already planning on attending LISA, this is your chance to help spread the word about freenix. LISA info at: http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa98/ =========================================================================== Strata Rose Chalup [KF6NBZ] strata@virtual.net VirtualNet Consulting http://www.virtual.net/ SAGE Level IV Unix Admin specializing in commercial-scale Internet services =========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Oct 7 03:28:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA27727 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 03:28:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.scancall.no (www.scancall.no [195.139.183.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA27606 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 03:28:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no) Received: from super2.langesund.scancall.no [195.139.183.29] by www with smtp id IXDUVEXJ; Wed, 07 Oct 98 10:27:54 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.04r6) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981007122259.00910cc0@mail.scancall.no> X-Sender: Marius@mail.scancall.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:22:59 +0200 To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Marius Bendiksen Subject: www.sco.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Perhaps someone ought to take a look at their page; they are saying that they support Linux, w/o mention of FreeBSD? btw: I'm not on this list. Just thought I'd mention it. --- Marius Bendiksen, IT-Trainee, ScanCall AS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Oct 7 06:27:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA17929 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:27:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from danberlin.resnet.rochester.edu (danberlin.resnet.rochester.edu [128.151.84.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA17920 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:27:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@danberlin.resnet.rochester.edu) Received: from danberlin.resnet.rochester.edu (root@danberlin.resnet.rochester.edu [128.151.84.217]) by danberlin.resnet.rochester.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA13471; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:22:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:22:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Berlin To: Marius Bendiksen cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: www.sco.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981007122259.00910cc0@mail.scancall.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG They have lxrun, which allows them to run linux binaries. Works pretty damn well. Then again, UnixWare 7 is an okay OS. I tried installing it on my desktop this past weekend. Wasted hours and hours, and it decided to move all my partitions around (It's stupid partitioner thinks partition 1 is 4, and vice versa), even after i said "Do Not Modify". Was great for linux, since the disks i said "Don't modify" were changed (/dev/hdc1 was now /dev/hdc3, /dev/hdc2 = /dev/hdc4). Great install program. Makes me wonder what "Don't modify" means. It can also only STILL install on disk 1, or 2. And when i bit the bullet and installed it on my laptop, it seems they've REMOVED drivers since 2.1 of unixware. Their tech support answer to "How do i get a 3c589 pcmcia card to work" is "Install the 2.1 driver". Thanks guys. So i get seven and have to have 2.1. If i wasn't a student getting this free (free=69 bucks for media, since the rising cost of 19 cent cd's these days seems to be affecting them). After all this work and toil, i find that the interface is crud, it takes me 8 times longer to do anything than on any other unix, etc. And this is supposed to be good? In short, if they ARE contributing to linux development, god help linux if they are contributing engineers. On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Marius Bendiksen wrote: > Perhaps someone ought to take a look at their page; they are saying that they > support Linux, w/o mention of FreeBSD? > > btw: I'm not on this list. Just thought I'd mention it. > --- > Marius Bendiksen, IT-Trainee, ScanCall AS > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Oct 8 22:20:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA24104 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:20:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason04.u.washington.edu (jason04.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA24078 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:20:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul3.u.washington.edu (root@saul3.u.washington.edu [140.142.83.1]) by jason04.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id WAA33392 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:20:20 -0700 Received: from S8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id WAA20296 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:20:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP/IP books In-Reply-To: <199810090452.VAA10123@titan.cc.wwu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Mark Cockrum wrote: >I'm a college student who just installed a copy of FreeBSD that >got at Defcon this summer. I have a copy of The Complete FreeBSD >by Greg Lehey, and I am starting to feel "somewhat" comfortable >witht the operating system. This came across -questions. It looks like a successful case of advocacy. If we apply the lieutenant's reasoning, we probably saved at least fifty men by sacrificing this one CD. (Ref. Saving Pvt. Ryan) I am not much of a nerd outside of the fact that I spend every waking moment in front of a professor or a computer. I don't get any trade rags. Where does one find out about all these goings-on? I think I would like to attend some locally. In fact, I would even buy the T-shirt so I could fly my colors. (And put green before red in my kilts.) Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Oct 9 12:57:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05977 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:57:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05965; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:57:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id MAA25439; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id MAA02089; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:52:48 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id NAA22208; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:52:47 -0600 Message-ID: <361E698F.A03C843E@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:52:47 -0600 From: Wes Peters Reply-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stuart Henderson CC: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , "James D. Butt" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Device Drivers for Linux and Intel's annoucement References: <199810041551.IAA21120@hub.freebsd.org> <361DFB7D.4EF2D787@internationalschool.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stuart Henderson wrote: > > Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > > If anything things like this should be a clue to anyone that microsoft > > > stuff is bad... > > > > > > As far as I am concerned anyone staying with the NT platform after reading > > > > much better: take a look at this link: > > http://www.microsoft.com/misc/backstage/solutions.htm > > > > they claim "More than 6 Gigabytes (GB) of successful downloads a day" > > I wonder if a web page where you get the top bar and nothing else counts as a > successful download? I can't see how they would tell the difference! > > I like this bit on the column_t2_1 page... > > Wanke: We needed to figure out why our servers were crashing, which > requires them to be taken offline for debugging. We oughtta write up a FreeBSD/Walnut Creek version of this page and shout it's existance from the highest treetops. Sounds like a job for "The Advocates," thus I've cc'd them and directed followups there. I'm game to do the writing, if someone can help me with statistics. ;^) -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters +1.801.915.2061 Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Oct 9 15:19:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04870 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:19:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04738; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:19:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id SAA25214; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:18:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG cc: Stuart Henderson , "Jonathan M. Bresler" , "James D. Butt" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Device Drivers for Linux and Intel's annoucement In-Reply-To: <361E698F.A03C843E@softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > We oughtta write up a FreeBSD/Walnut Creek version of this page and shout > it's existance from the highest treetops. Sounds like a job for "The > Advocates," thus I've cc'd them and directed followups there. I agree there, the thing I would like to see on it is a daily output of how much traffic wcarchive puts out. I think david has a script but he only publishes results when he breaks a previous record, I would like to see the results published daily. Our worst day probably equals at least a week of MS's servers being online traffic wise. Chris -- "You both seem to be ignoring the fact that the networking market is driven by so-called 'IT professionals' these days, most of whom can't tell the difference between an ARP and a carp." -Wes Peters ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.7 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Oct 9 20:48:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00994 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:48:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA00953; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:48:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA20171; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810100347.UAA20171@implode.root.com> To: Open Systems Networking cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Stuart Henderson , "Jonathan M. Bresler" , "James D. Butt" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Device Drivers for Linux and Intel's annoucement In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 Oct 1998 18:18:50 EDT." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 20:47:04 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> We oughtta write up a FreeBSD/Walnut Creek version of this page and shout >> it's existance from the highest treetops. Sounds like a job for "The >> Advocates," thus I've cc'd them and directed followups there. > >I agree there, the thing I would like to see on it is a daily output of >how much traffic wcarchive puts out. I think david has a script but he >only publishes results when he breaks a previous record, I would like to >see the results published daily. Our worst day probably equals at least a >week of MS's servers being online traffic wise. I'm a bit nervous about providing detailed information on a daily basis, but I don't see a problem with providing totals. I'll consider it. Wcarchive has been averaging around 400GB/day for several months now. There are various upgrades that will occur in the next 6 weeks that should get us out of this rut. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Oct 9 20:54:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA02326 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:54:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02294; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:54:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id XAA27871; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:54:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: David Greenman cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Stuart Henderson , "Jonathan M. Bresler" , "James D. Butt" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Device Drivers for Linux and Intel's annoucement In-Reply-To: <199810100347.UAA20171@implode.root.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, David Greenman wrote: > I'm a bit nervous about providing detailed information on a daily basis, > but I don't see a problem with providing totals. I'll consider it. > Wcarchive has been averaging around 400GB/day for several months now. There > are various upgrades that will occur in the next 6 weeks that should get us > out of this rut. Well whatever your comfortable with. It would just be nice to have a regular report, daily might be asking for a bit much. Maybe monthly. Just something on a regular basis. But again thats up to. Nice to know you will think about publishing #'s thought :-) Chris -- "You both seem to be ignoring the fact that the networking market is driven by so-called 'IT professionals' these days, most of whom can't tell the difference between an ARP and a carp." -Wes Peters ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.7 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Oct 9 23:31:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA24928 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:31:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Tasha.STARDreams.org (maccess-01-070.magna.com.au [203.111.85.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA24895; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:31:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevla@studentmail.dis.unimelb.edu.au) Received: from EventHorizon (EventHorizon.STARDreams.org [10.144.144.1]) by Tasha.STARDreams.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA12413; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:29:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kevla@studentmail.dis.unimelb.edu.au) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981010162322.00b77360@studentmail.dis.unimelb.edu.au> X-Sender: kevla@studentmail.dis.unimelb.edu.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:23:22 +1000 To: dg@root.com, Open Systems Networking From: Kevin Lam Subject: Re: Device Drivers for Linux and Intel's annoucement Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Stuart Henderson , "Jonathan M. Bresler" , "James D. Butt" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810100347.UAA20171@implode.root.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 20:47 10/9/98 -0700, you wrote: > I'm a bit nervous about providing detailed information on a daily basis, >but I don't see a problem with providing totals. I'll consider it. > Wcarchive has been averaging around 400GB/day for several months now. There >are various upgrades that will occur in the next 6 weeks that should get us >out of this rut. The detailed information about wcarchive's performance can already be found at http://www.emsphone.com/stats.. about how many MB/sec it puts out on average, how many users, etc. Nothing really confidential, not like someone would try and kill wcarchive would they :P -- K "Deliver yesterday, code today, think tomorrow." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Oct 9 23:54:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27236 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:54:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA27043; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:54:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id CAA19122; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:53:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Kevin Lam cc: dg@root.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Stuart Henderson , "Jonathan M. Bresler" , "James D. Butt" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Device Drivers for Linux and Intel's annoucement In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19981010162322.00b77360@studentmail.dis.unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The detailed information about wcarchive's performance can already be found > at http://www.emsphone.com/stats.. about how many MB/sec it puts out on > average, how many users, etc. Nothing really confidential, not like someone > would try and kill wcarchive would they :P emsphone only shows the ammount of data being sent or received by the NIC card itself, not how much data has been sent TOTAL from wcarchive from a certain time to a certain time. Were looking for an accumulative volume meter, not an average of how much data on an ethernet segment is being sent. Chris -- "You both seem to be ignoring the fact that the networking market is driven by so-called 'IT professionals' these days, most of whom can't tell the difference between an ARP and a carp." -Wes Peters ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.7 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message