From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Oct 11 13:15:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01498 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:15:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from snark.wizard.com (snark.wizard.com [199.171.28.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01493 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:15:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from whayes@wizard.com) Received: from wizard.com (pm3-2-042.wizard.com [208.211.54.42]) by snark.wizard.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA09110 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from whayes@localhost) by wizard.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00986 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:14:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from whayes) From: "William H. Hayes" Message-Id: <199810112014.NAA00986@wizard.com> Subject: Subscribe To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:14:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Subscribe whayes@wizard.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Oct 11 20:10:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA25027 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:10:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail-gw5.pacbell.net (mail-gw5.pacbell.net [206.13.28.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA25020 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:10:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevink@mindless.com) Received: from rjiredff (ppp-207-214-211-28.sntc01.pacbell.net [207.214.211.28]) by mail-gw5.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id UAA20871 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981011200744.0079f270@pop.netaddress.com> X-Sender: gekk0@pop.netaddress.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:07:44 -0700 To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Kevin Subject: article Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Here is a article found on CNet, they compared 5 "alternative' OS's to Windows, this link takes you to the FreeBSD page....I think this is a old article (uses 2.2.5), but I just follwed the link off their front page....still a good article http://www.cnet.com/Content/Reviews/Compare/AltOS/ss04.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Oct 13 18:08:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA07588 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:08:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from banshee.cs.uow.edu.au (banshee.cs.uow.edu.au [130.130.188.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA07557 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:07:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au) Received: (from ncb05@localhost) by banshee.cs.uow.edu.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA23993; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:07:29 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:07:28 +1000 (EST) From: Nicholas Charles Brawn X-Sender: ncb05@banshee.cs.uow.edu.au To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Nice article in Irish Times Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG (from slashdot.org) http://www.irish-times.com/irish%2Dtimes/paper/1998/1012/cmp2.html Nick -- Email: ncb@poboxes.com - http://www.poboxes.com/ncb Key fingerprint = DE 30 33 D3 16 91 C8 8D A7 F8 70 03 B7 77 1A 2A To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Oct 13 19:57:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA22364 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:57:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA22357 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:57:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA10088; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:57:12 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19981014125700.03731@welearn.com.au> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:57:00 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: concise summary of strong points? References: <19981013172920.22706@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm getting queries like this one from ISPs and consultants: > i'm currently promoting linux as my primary platform of choice, what > are bsd's strong points? My answers wouldn't do it justice. What's the best URL to send them to? (Bear in mind they'll only watch for about 5 seconds after they click unless it really grabs their attention) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Oct 13 20:26:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA26115 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:26:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA26110 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:26:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkb@shell6.ba.best.com) Received: (from jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) id UAA02281; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19981013202611.B578@best.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:26:11 -0700 From: "Jan B. Koum " To: Sue Blake , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: concise summary of strong points? References: <19981013172920.22706@welearn.com.au> <19981014125700.03731@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19981014125700.03731@welearn.com.au>; from Sue Blake on Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 12:57:00PM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 12:57:00PM +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > > I'm getting queries like this one from ISPs and consultants: > > > i'm currently promoting linux as my primary platform of choice, what > > are bsd's strong points? > > My answers wouldn't do it justice. What's the best URL to send them to? > (Bear in mind they'll only watch for about 5 seconds after they click > unless it really grabs their attention) > > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message Uhm.. tell them about Yahoo! and Hotmail who use FreeBSD for their web server. Tell them about commercial places such as Whistle and Juniper who use FreeBSD as a base for their products. Tell them about some of the largest ISPs that use FreeBSD: http://www.best.com http://support.pair.com/status/details.html Strong points? Security, stability, speed, centralized development, this list can go on... -- Yan I don't have the password .... + Jan Koum But the path is chainlinked .. | Spelled Jan, pronounced Yan. There. So if you've got the time .... | Web: http://www.best.com/~jkb Set the tone to sync ......... + OS: http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Oct 13 21:11:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02181 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:11:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02162 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:10:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4012.ime.net [209.90.195.22]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id AAA17111; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:10:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981014000640.00a56800@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:07:34 -0400 To: "Jan B. Koum " , Sue Blake , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: concise summary of strong points? In-Reply-To: <19981013202611.B578@best.com> References: <19981014125700.03731@welearn.com.au> <19981013172920.22706@welearn.com.au> <19981014125700.03731@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You forgot the big one.. Walnut Creek CDROM :-).. Big BIG FTP Archive, tons of software for various things.. All running on FreeBSD and Intel-based equipment. Services like 3500 simultaneous people right now. At 08:26 PM 10/13/98 -0700, Jan B. Koum wrote: >On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 12:57:00PM +1000, Sue Blake wrote: >> >> I'm getting queries like this one from ISPs and consultants: >> >> > i'm currently promoting linux as my primary platform of choice, what >> > are bsd's strong points? >> >> My answers wouldn't do it justice. What's the best URL to send them to? >> (Bear in mind they'll only watch for about 5 seconds after they click >> unless it really grabs their attention) >> >> >> -- >> >> Regards, >> -*Sue*- >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > Uhm.. tell them about Yahoo! and Hotmail who use FreeBSD for their > web server. Tell them about commercial places such as Whistle and > Juniper who use FreeBSD as a base for their products. Tell them > about some of the largest ISPs that use FreeBSD: > http://www.best.com > http://support.pair.com/status/details.html > > Strong points? Security, stability, speed, centralized development, > this list can go on... > >-- Yan > >I don't have the password .... + Jan Koum >But the path is chainlinked .. | Spelled Jan, pronounced Yan. There. >So if you've got the time .... | Web: http://www.best.com/~jkb >Set the tone to sync ......... + OS: http://www.FreeBSD.org > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Oct 13 21:34:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA05425 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:34:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason04.u.washington.edu (jason04.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA05420 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:34:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul10.u.washington.edu (root@saul10.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.73]) by jason04.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id VAA33382; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:34:35 -0700 Received: from S8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul10.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id VAA31496; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:34:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: Sue Blake cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: concise summary of strong points? In-Reply-To: <19981014125700.03731@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > >I'm getting queries like this one from ISPs and consultants: > >> i'm currently promoting linux as my primary platform of choice, what >> are bsd's strong points? > >My answers wouldn't do it justice. What's the best URL to send them to? >(Bear in mind they'll only watch for about 5 seconds after they click >unless it really grabs their attention) The bsddvlinux site is good. But it is not for ADD types. The URL is in the FAQ somewhere. Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Oct 14 06:06:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA21192 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 06:06:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA21182 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 06:06:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA00566 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:06:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id PAA01455; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:06:05 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19981014150604.05920@follo.net> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:06:04 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Talk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've been offered a 45-minute slot at an informal conference/seminar NUUG (Norwegian Unix Users Group) is arranging. The topic for the day is officially 'Linux', but the person responsible for that day (from Linux Professional :-) has mentally rewritten this to mean 'free software', and offered me a slot to talk about somthing FreeBSD-related. This is a mixed audience, with the only common denominator that they're Unix-people. 45 minutes is an awful lot of time. Has anybody got any suggestions for what to talk about, tips for how to handle an audience of that kind, etc? I've not really got a clue how to do this - it is years since I talked in front of an audience I didn't know :-( Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Oct 14 07:51:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01650 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:51:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dub-img-10.compuserve.com (dub-img-10.compuserve.com [149.174.206.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01643 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:51:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DWilde@compuserve.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by dub-img-10.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.14) id KAA04441; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:51:19 -0400 From: Dale Wilde Subject: Talk To: Eivind Eklund , "[unknown]" Message-ID: <199810141051_MC2-5CA1-6927@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id HAA01644 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Eivind - How about a common-grounds topic like getting payware producers to fess up to their file formats and API's? That's the one thing that holds all freeware development back from the desktop marketplace, and it hurts both Linux and BSD app developers. You'd be a hit. See my http://www.daemonnews.org/corporate.html, also Eric Fair (fair@clock.org) wrote an even better piece a year ago which I don't have the URL for right now (I'm on vacation, yay!) Don Wilde To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Oct 14 08:07:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03822 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:07:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03770 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:07:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andersmo@ifi.uio.no) Received: from nordri.ifi.uio.no (3490@nordri.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.136]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with SMTP id RAA08007; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:07:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (andersmo@localhost) by nordri.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:07:05 GMT Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:07:02 +0200 (MET DST) From: Anders Moe To: Eivind Eklund cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Talk In-Reply-To: <19981014150604.05920@follo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Obviously features that set FreeBSD apart from Linux would be more interesting to listen to than their similarities. Some important ones: 1) History. This is a natural introduction almost no matter what subject. Perhaps some of the FreeBSD developers that were around in the early days would share some details with you in this matter, in addition to the stuff at the FreeBSD homepage. 2) FreeBSD has a coherent devel. and distr. model. This hints at the far from coherent situation that prevails in the Linux camp, with new distributions popping up every second day. 3) The FreeBSD upgrading mechanism (cvsup etc.). As we know, this allows a FreeBSD user to upgrade by downloading a fraction av the MB's that a Linux user will have to. Also the ports collection has, as far as I know, no parallell in the Linux world. 4) Ofcourse, relevant links on FreeBSD should be presented. While most of the audience could find their way on their own in this matter, it's the right thing to do when presenting an Internet related product. 5) Be prepared for questions on glibc, elf amd SMP. 6) It's my understanding that you use FreeBSD at work - perhaps some words on that matter as well. Anders Moe e-mail : andersmo@ifi.uio.no Research Assistant Phone P : 22 59 26 15 Dept. of Computer Science Phone W : 22 85 29 61 University of Oslo Cell Phone : 930 96 526 On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Eivind Eklund wrote: > I've been offered a 45-minute slot at an informal conference/seminar > NUUG (Norwegian Unix Users Group) is arranging. The topic for the day > is officially 'Linux', but the person responsible for that day (from > Linux Professional :-) has mentally rewritten this to mean 'free > software', and offered me a slot to talk about somthing FreeBSD-related. > > This is a mixed audience, with the only common denominator that > they're Unix-people. 45 minutes is an awful lot of time. > > Has anybody got any suggestions for what to talk about, tips for how > to handle an audience of that kind, etc? I've not really got a clue > how to do this - it is years since I talked in front of an audience I > didn't know :-( > > Eivind. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Oct 14 08:56:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11350 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:56:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11345 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:56:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id JAA00722; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:56:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19981014095509.041289c0@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:56:08 -0600 To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Fwd: Metrowerks to Release Linux version of CodeWarrior Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG OK, how quickly can we convince these guys to port to FreeBSD? --Brett >Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:35:51 -0400 (EDT) >Reply-To: stevecoh@mcs.com >Originator: am-info@essential.org >Sender: am-info@essential.org >From: Steve Cohen >To: Multiple recipients of list AM-INFO >Subject: Metrowerks to Release Linux version of CodeWarrior >X-Comment: To unsubscribe from this list, send the message "unsubscribe >am-info" to "listproc@essential.org". Leave the "Subject:" line blank. >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586) > >Code Warrior which is a programmer's IDE and compiler for the Macintosh, >Palm Pilot and various embedded platforms has announced a port of their >tools to Linux. > >http://www.metrowerks.com/db/Press.qry?function=PR&rowid=165 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Oct 14 11:04:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA29616 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:04:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA29602 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:04:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id LAA27143; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id LAA20078; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:03:24 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id MAA26620; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:03:23 -0600 Message-ID: <3624DB7C.E49C789D@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:12:28 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Wilde CC: Eivind Eklund , "[unknown]" Subject: Re: Talk References: <199810141051_MC2-5CA1-6927@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dale Wilde wrote: > > Hi, Eivind - > How about a common-grounds topic like getting payware producers to > fess up to their file formats and API's? That's the one thing that holds > all freeware development back from the desktop marketplace, and it hurts > both Linux and BSD app developers. You'd be a hit. See my > http://www.daemonnews.org/corporate.html, also Eric Fair (fair@clock.org) > wrote an even better piece a year ago which I don't have the URL for right > now (I'm on vacation, yay!) Actually, pointing them at Daemon News would be a got advocacy point. You may also want to mention some commercial implementations of FreeBSD, and large commercial sites, to drive home the usability and stability points. Round up the usual suspects -- WC CD-ROM, Yahoo, Hotmail, etc. -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters +1.801.915.2061 Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Oct 14 14:50:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02749 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:50:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kakapo.pinnacle.co.nz (pinsoft.internet.co.nz [202.37.141.181]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02740 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:50:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonc@pinnacle.co.nz) Received: from tui.pinnacle.co.nz (tui.pinnacle.co.nz [202.37.163.3]) by kakapo.pinnacle.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA09299; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:50:23 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from jonc@pinnacle.co.nz) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:50:23 +1300 From: Jonathan Chen To: Eivind Eklund cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Talk In-Reply-To: <19981014150604.05920@follo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Eivind Eklund wrote: > This is a mixed audience, with the only common denominator that > they're Unix-people. 45 minutes is an awful lot of time. History. One of the things that drew me to FreeBSD is that *is* BSD Unix (Linux tends to an eclectic mix of SysV + BSD); and UNIX people that know BSD would be more comfortable with FreeBSD. You may want to talk about BSD vs GPL licensing (good for a couple of minutes), even if it may draw controversy. Distribution differences and development models. Emulation (we do Linux, but they don't do FreeBSD). As to handling the crowd: Have slides and visual aids, they distract the audience. Try the speech on someone - even if they don't understand what you're saying, they can comment on your presentation style. Good luck! -- Jonathan Chen | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Oct 14 14:59:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03649 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:59:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03644 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:59:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA06804; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:58:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id XAA03953; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:58:54 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19981014235854.16599@follo.net> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:58:54 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Dale Wilde , "[unknown]" Subject: Re: Talk References: <199810141051_MC2-5CA1-6927@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199810141051_MC2-5CA1-6927@compuserve.com>; from Dale Wilde on Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 10:51:19AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 10:51:19AM -0400, Dale Wilde wrote: > Hi, Eivind - > How about a common-grounds topic like getting payware producers to > fess up to their file formats and API's? That's the one thing that holds > all freeware development back from the desktop marketplace, and it hurts > both Linux and BSD app developers. You'd be a hit. See my > http://www.daemonnews.org/corporate.html, also Eric Fair (fair@clock.org) > wrote an even better piece a year ago which I don't have the URL for right > now (I'm on vacation, yay!) Have a fun vacation! I think I got an idea for what to talk about: The challenges that is in front of each of the major Open Source OSen, including the common challenges. This should give a good platform for saying things about FreeBSD (which raise awareness), without alienating the Linux crowd (and while not seeming totally religious). Thanks to those that have responded so far; any contributions welcome :-) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Oct 15 09:28:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA16405 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:28:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16337 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:28:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id JAA08882; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id JAA07825; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:26:51 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id KAA04266; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:26:50 -0600 Message-ID: <3626165F.F3038AE6@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:35:59 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brett Glass CC: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fwd: Metrowerks to Release Linux version of CodeWarrior References: <4.1.19981014095509.041289c0@mail.lariat.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brett Glass wrote: > > OK, how quickly can we convince these guys to port to FreeBSD? > We may not need to. If it's an ELF binary, and links with ELF libraries, it may just work with FreeBSD-3.0 libraries and header files. This may be an ideal opportunity for the very first "Works with FreeBSD!" branded application. Do they have a download available yet? I'm willing to test it, but I usually don't upgrade to the next version of FreeBSD until I get the CD, since I'm stuck at the wrong end of an analog modem for connectivity. (I'm wondering if they provide their own header files and libraries. If so, this may be a fly in the ointment, unless we can force it to ignore them and use the system ones.) -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters +1.801.915.2061 Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Oct 15 09:52:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19760 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:52:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19755 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:52:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id KAA11287; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:51:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19981015104905.0454ae10@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:51:09 -0600 To: Wes Peters From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Fwd: Metrowerks to Release Linux version of CodeWarrior Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3626165F.F3038AE6@softweyr.com> References: <4.1.19981014095509.041289c0@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 09:35 AM 10/15/98 -0600, Wes Peters wrote: >Brett Glass wrote: >> >> OK, how quickly can we convince these guys to port to FreeBSD? >> > >We may not need to. If it's an ELF binary, and links with ELF libraries, >it may just work with FreeBSD-3.0 libraries and header files. Trouble is, its internal libraries and headers are likely to be Linux-dependent. This was true of the Free Pascal compiler I tried not long ago. A native port would be a much better idea. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message