From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Dec 8 02:50:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA11350 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 02:50:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from DegNet.de (degnet.de [194.95.214.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA11345 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 02:50:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from malte.lance@gmx.net) Received: from neuron.webmore.prv (GateWay [192.168.168.1]) by DegNet.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA00432 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:47:51 +0100 Received: from neuron.webmore.prv (neuron.webmore.prv "Malte Lance") by neuron.webmore.prv (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04351 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:46:14 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <199812081046.LAA04351@neuron.webmore.prv> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:46:14 +0100 (CET) From: Malte Lance Reply-To: malte.lance@gmx.net Subject: open-source petition To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Not FreeBSD-exclusive but anyway important: "The Federal Government Should Evaluate Open Source" http://www.e-thepeople.com/etp/affiliates/national/fullview.cfm?ETPID=0&PETID=74386&ETPDIR=affiliates/national (if this is already known, sorry for wasting the bandwith) Malte. -- Malte Lance. --- composed with TkRat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Dec 8 10:23:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25394 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:23:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sdcc10.ucsd.edu (sdcc10.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25265 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:23:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crouilla@ucsd.edu) Received: from localhost (crouilla@localhost) by sdcc10.ucsd.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id KAA13562; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:23:39 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: sdcc10.ucsd.edu: crouilla owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:23:39 -0800 (PST) From: Chuck Rouillard Reply-To: chuck@ucsd.edu To: Malte Lance cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: open-source petition In-Reply-To: <199812081046.LAA04351@neuron.webmore.prv> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Not FreeBSD-exclusive but anyway important: > > "The Federal Government Should Evaluate Open Source" > > http://www.e-thepeople.com/etp/affiliates/national/fullview.cfm?ETPID=0&PETID=74386&ETPDIR=affiliates/national > > (if this is already known, sorry for wasting the bandwith) Ingenious marketers. -c To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Dec 9 07:04:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA22534 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:04:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from DegNet.de (degnet.de [194.95.214.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA22513 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:03:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from malte.lance@gmx.net) Received: from neuron.webmore.prv (GateWay [192.168.168.1]) by DegNet.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA18723; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:01:38 +0100 Received: from neuron.webmore.prv (neuron.webmore.prv "Malte Lance") by neuron.webmore.prv (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05790; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:57:07 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <199812091457.PAA05790@neuron.webmore.prv> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:57:05 +0100 (CET) From: Malte Lance Reply-To: malte.lance@gmx.net Subject: Re: open-source petition To: chuck@ucsd.edu cc: crouilla@ucsd.edu, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 8 Dec, Chuck Rouillard wrote: >> Not FreeBSD-exclusive but anyway important: >> >> "The Federal Government Should Evaluate Open Source" >> >> http://www.e-thepeople.com/etp/affiliates/national/fullview.cfm?ETPID=0&PETID=74386&ETPDIR=affiliates/national >> >> (if this is already known, sorry for wasting the bandwith) > > Ingenious marketers. What do you mean ? What did i miss ? Malte. > -c -- Malte Lance. --- composed with TkRat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Dec 9 18:12:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA06421 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:12:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (bachue.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06410 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:12:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfgiffun@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.48]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with ESMTP id AAA5344 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:15:09 +0500 Message-ID: <366F2E5B.553D5344@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 21:13:47 -0500 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: U. Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Problems with Jikes license ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Guys, Please don't panic, but I have a bad feeling about this article in slashdot: http://www.slashdot.org/articles/98/12/09/1453206.shtml We have to watch carefully: surely some people want to see the code GPL'd. Pedro. (BTW, a port/package right now would be a good proactive measure.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Dec 9 18:16:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA07082 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:16:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA07076 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:16:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA28340; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:15:36 -0800 (PST) To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with Jikes license ??? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 09 Dec 1998 21:13:47 EST." <366F2E5B.553D5344@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 18:15:35 -0800 Message-ID: <28336.913256135@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Please don't panic, but I have a bad feeling about this article in Why should we panic? All I see is some speculation about what might happen with IBM's license. I doubt IBM themselves are all that sure yet. > http://www.slashdot.org/articles/98/12/09/1453206.shtml > > We have to watch carefully: surely some people want to see the code > GPL'd. Having Jikes be GPL'd would hardly be the end of the world. It's still usable as a compiler and I don't think that having GCC be GPL'd has exactly hampered our efforts. We already have enough splinter groups in the gcc community as it is anyway. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Dec 9 19:43:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA20630 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:43:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (bachue.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA20623 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:43:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfgiffun@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.20]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with SMTP id AAA5455; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:46:25 +0500 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:45:59 +0500 (GMT) From: "Pedro Fernando Giffuni" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with Jikes license ??? In-Reply-To: <28336.913256135@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Please don't panic, but I have a bad feeling about this article in > > Why should we panic? All I see is some speculation about what might > happen with IBM's license. I doubt IBM themselves are all that sure > yet. > Lawyers + Linux fanatics....VERY dangerous !!! > Having Jikes be GPL'd would hardly be the end of the world. It's > still usable as a compiler and I don't think that having GCC be GPL'd > has exactly hampered our efforts. We already have enough splinter > groups in the gcc community as it is anyway. :) > I can't resist rephrasing that: We already have enough splinter in the *BSD groups without GPL anyway ;-). Seriously, something like this happened with KDE, and the mixture of commercial and GPL licenses is killing the project. Pedro. > - Jordan > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Dec 9 19:50:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA21829 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:50:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA21822 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:50:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA28852; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:49:14 -0800 (PST) To: "Pedro Fernando Giffuni" cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with Jikes license ??? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 09 Dec 1998 22:45:59 +0500." Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 19:49:14 -0800 Message-ID: <28848.913261754@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Lawyers + Linux fanatics....VERY dangerous !!! I still fail to see what this has to do with us. > I can't resist rephrasing that: We already have enough splinter in the > *BSD groups without GPL anyway ;-). > > Seriously, something like this happened with KDE, and the mixture of > commercial and GPL licenses is killing the project. Your information is out of date. The only thing I know of which caused problems with the KDE people was Trolltech's Qt license and they've now fixed that. In any case, the problem in that situation was that the license wasn't GPL *enough* and hence doesn't really support your argument against the GPL. In short, I still don't see what Pedro's got his underwear twisted up over here. The entire thing seems like one great big yawn to me. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Dec 10 04:43:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA17945 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 04:43:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de (gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de [194.233.237.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA17940 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 04:43:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cracauer@gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de (8.8.8/8.7.3) id NAA08618; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:43:04 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19981210134303.A8607@cons.org> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:43:03 +0100 From: Martin Cracauer To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Pedro Fernando Giffuni Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with Jikes license ??? References: <28848.913261754@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <28848.913261754@zippy.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Wed, Dec 09, 1998 at 07:49:14PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <28848.913261754@zippy.cdrom.com>, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Seriously, something like this happened with KDE, and the mixture of > > commercial and GPL licenses is killing the project. > > Your information is out of date. The only thing I know of which > caused problems with the KDE people was Trolltech's Qt license and > they've now fixed that. In any case, the problem in that situation > was that the license wasn't GPL *enough* and hence doesn't really > support your argument against the GPL. The new Qt license is better but still doesn't allow mixing with GPL code, so said Stallman. Now people think over changing KDE's license a bit away from GPL, which would make KDE usable, but them they couldn't KDE'ize other GPL code anymore. And don't forget that so far no QT with the changed license is available. Isn't the GPL great? :-) > In short, I still don't see what Pedro's got his underwear twisted up > over here. The entire thing seems like one great big yawn to me. I agree that the GPL isn't a problem with Jikes. Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer BSD User Group Hamburg, Germany http://www.bsdhh.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Dec 10 05:58:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA23042 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 05:50:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gwdu60.gwdg.de (gwdu60.gwdg.de [134.76.10.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA23037 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 05:50:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kheuer@gwdu60.gwdg.de) Received: from localhost (kheuer@localhost) by gwdu60.gwdg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA03284 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:48:04 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:48:04 +0100 (CET) From: Konrad Heuer To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: German Inst. Guide & Daemon News Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id FAA23038 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Probably this is not the right list to write to ... I've put a small FreeBSD Installation Guide written in *German* onto the Web: http://gwdu60.gwdg.de/fbsd/fbsd.html I know, it is incomplete and should be much more elaborate. Nonetheless it might be a little help in some cases. Furthermore, since I'm an enthusiastic reader of the Daemon News, I built a pdf file for each issue. In the case anyone is interested in downloading them, here's the path: http://gwdu60.gwdg.de/dnews/dnews.html I haven't found pdf files anywhere else. If they really aren't anywhere, I'll try to build them regularly in the future. I assume the Daemon News Crew agrees to that service. Otherwise, please stop me now! :-) Regards // // Konrad Heuer ____ ___ _______ // Gesellschaft für wissenschaftliche / __/______ ___ / _ )/ __/ _ \ // Datenverarbeitung mbH GÖttingen / _// __/ -_) -_) _ |\ \/ // / // Am Faßberg, D-37077 GÖttingen /_/ /_/ \__/\__/____/___/____/ // Deutschland (Germany) ----- The Power to Serve ----- // http://www.freebsd.org // kheuer@gwdu60.gwdg.de // To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Dec 10 07:52:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06754 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:52:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bbcc.ctc.edu (bbcc.ctc.edu [134.39.180.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06749 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:52:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@bbcc.ctc.edu) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by bbcc.ctc.edu (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA04793; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:50:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:50:17 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Coleman To: Konrad Heuer cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: German Inst. Guide & Daemon News In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id HAA06750 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Could we get a copy of the DN pdf files so we can include them as links in our main sites and mirror sites? -Chris On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Konrad Heuer wrote: > > Probably this is not the right list to write to ... > > I've put a small FreeBSD Installation Guide written in *German* onto the > Web: > > http://gwdu60.gwdg.de/fbsd/fbsd.html > > I know, it is incomplete and should be much more elaborate. Nonetheless it > might be a little help in some cases. > > Furthermore, since I'm an enthusiastic reader of the Daemon News, I built > a pdf file for each issue. In the case anyone is interested in downloading > them, here's the path: > > http://gwdu60.gwdg.de/dnews/dnews.html > > I haven't found pdf files anywhere else. If they really aren't > anywhere, I'll try to build them regularly in the future. > > I assume the Daemon News Crew agrees to that service. Otherwise, please > stop me now! :-) > > Regards > > // > // Konrad Heuer ____ ___ _______ > // Gesellschaft für wissenschaftliche / __/______ ___ / _ )/ __/ _ \ > // Datenverarbeitung mbH GÖttingen / _// __/ -_) -_) _ |\ \/ // / > // Am Faßberg, D-37077 GÖttingen /_/ /_/ \__/\__/____/___/____/ > // Deutschland (Germany) ----- The Power to Serve ----- > // http://www.freebsd.org > // kheuer@gwdu60.gwdg.de > // > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Dec 10 07:55:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA07162 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:55:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA07157 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:55:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA07700; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:54:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <366FEEB4.721F2BE2@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:54:28 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Konrad Heuer CC: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, BSD Ezine Subject: Re: German Inst. Guide & Daemon News References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Konrad Heuer wrote: > > Furthermore, since I'm an enthusiastic reader of the Daemon News, I built > a pdf file for each issue. In the case anyone is interested in downloading > them, here's the path: > > http://gwdu60.gwdg.de/dnews/dnews.html > > I haven't found pdf files anywhere else. If they really aren't > anywhere, I'll try to build them regularly in the future. > > I assume the Daemon News Crew agrees to that service. Otherwise, please > stop me now! :-) Cool -- what a great archiving tool! I've forwarded this part of your message to the DN core team for comment. In the meantime, I'm going to grab your PDFs and take a look. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Dec 10 08:06:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA08643 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:06:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08637 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:06:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07737; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:03:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <366FF0D3.1B7711B1@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:03:31 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin Cracauer CC: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Pedro Fernando Giffuni , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with Jikes license ??? References: <28848.913261754@zippy.cdrom.com> <19981210134303.A8607@cons.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Martin Cracauer wrote: > > > In short, I still don't see what Pedro's got his underwear twisted up > > over here. The entire thing seems like one great big yawn to me. > > I agree that the GPL isn't a problem with Jikes. If you go read the Jikes license, it's not very GPL-like. It allows you to create derivative works without owing your changes back to the project, to distribute your work as you see fit, etc. The only substantive difference between their license and the Berkeley one we all hold so dear is the termination clauses and mechanism for handling intellectual property disputes, which is probably wise for everyone considered. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Dec 10 16:57:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19425 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:57:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (bachue.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19416 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:57:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfgiffun@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.44]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with ESMTP id AAA7816; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:59:41 +0500 Message-ID: <36706E1E.FD0133B9@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:58:06 -0500 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: U. Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with Jikes license ??? References: <28848.913261754@zippy.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I admit I was wrong, sorry for the false alarm. Maybe I am getting neurotic against GPL per'se !! Pedro. Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > ... > > In short, I still don't see what Pedro's got his underwear twisted up > over here. 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