From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 17 05:08:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA14000 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 17 May 1998 05:08:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hda.hda.com (hda-bicnet.bicnet.net [208.220.66.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA13995 for ; Sun, 17 May 1998 05:08:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dufault@hda.hda.com) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.hda.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA07702; Sat, 16 May 1998 08:05:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199805161205.IAA07702@hda.hda.com> Subject: Re: interesting stuff In-Reply-To: from Duncan Barclay at "May 16, 98 09:07:04 am" To: dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk (Duncan Barclay) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 08:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Cc: winter@jurai.net, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > It's usually easier to do these on the parallel port (god knows how many phase > locked loops I've programmed down that!). I have a version that works with either a parallel port or the Philips I2C controller chip. I put it up on the multimedia list a little while ago - I have a new version so I'll put it up later today. > One "problem" with the I2C is that it > is not a TTL compatible bus, so a bit of hardware is need to convert the logic > levels. RS232 isn't TTL. I2C is TTL but uses weak high bidirectional clock and data lines that everyone on the bus has to be able to drive low. When I played with it on the parallel port I had some diode protection and used independent input and output pins for each bus line. Peter -- Peter Dufault (dufault@hda.com) Realtime development, Machine control, HD Associates, Inc. Safety critical systems, Agency approval To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 17 08:51:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03321 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 17 May 1998 08:51:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ntrkcasa (pool37.hiper.net [207.137.172.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA03297; Sun, 17 May 1998 08:50:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980517084829.00c1a780@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 08:48:29 -0700 To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG, bob@wbs.net (Bob Lash) From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: 12.0 GB Quantum Bigfoot TX IDE seen as 8.4 GB Cc: toor@dyson.iquest.net, technical@wbs.net, sos@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, julian@ivision.co.uk In-Reply-To: <199804081654.SAA12973@sos.freebsd.dk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id IAA03298 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Is there a status on this now? Thanx, Randy Katz At 06:54 PM 4/8/98 +0200, Søren Schmidt wrote: > >Just to inform the parties, I've done a patch that is now being tested. > >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team > Even more code to hack -- will it ever end >.. > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 17 09:12:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05557 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 17 May 1998 09:12:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk ([212.242.40.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05531; Sun, 17 May 1998 09:11:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05973; Sun, 17 May 1998 18:11:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199805171611.SAA05973@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: 12.0 GB Quantum Bigfoot TX IDE seen as 8.4 GB In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980517084829.00c1a780@ccsales.com> from "Randy A. Katz" at "May 17, 98 08:48:29 am" To: randyk@ccsales.com (Randy A. Katz) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 18:11:49 +0200 (CEST) Cc: sos@FreeBSD.ORG, bob@wbs.net, toor@dyson.iquest.net, technical@wbs.net, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, julian@ivision.co.uk From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In reply to Randy A. Katz who wrote: > Hello, > > Is there a status on this now? I have committed LBA support to -current about a month ago, and a fix for "normal" CHS mode went in last monday. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 17 09:40:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08572 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 17 May 1998 09:40:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08537 for ; Sun, 17 May 1998 09:40:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thehades@erols.com) Received: from turnerr (207-172-191-141.s13.as2.mkt.erols.com [207.172.191.141]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA12689 for ; Sun, 17 May 1998 12:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980517123944.00910e20@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: thehades@pop.erols.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 12:39:44 -0400 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: thehades Subject: Supermicro P6DLS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone used the Supermicro P6DLS motherboard with FreeBSD? I have heard good and bad things about it and want to know how it works with FreeBSD. Thanks, thehades@erols.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 18 06:18:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA07044 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 18 May 1998 06:18:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skyserv.med.osd.mil (skyserv.med.osd.mil [199.209.8.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA07029 for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 06:18:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rpotts@med.osd.mil) Received: from 161.14.168.22 (ae1970.med.osd.mil [161.14.168.22]) by skyserv.med.osd.mil (8.6.8.1/SCA-6.6) with SMTP id JAA20287; Mon, 18 May 1998 09:17:52 -0400 From: "Ross Potts, CON, EDS/D-SIDDOMS" Message-Id: <9805180916.ZM-378121@161.14.168.22> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:16:42 -0700 In-Reply-To: "Jose M. Alcaide" "graphics card recommendations..." (May 15, 4:22pm) References: <355C4FA9.F3012FF3@we.lc.ehu.es> X-Mailer: ZM-Win (3.2.1 11Sep94) To: "Jose M. Alcaide" Subject: Re: graphics card recommendations... Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, what do you want to do? Since I've only dealt with putting servers together here at my employment, I don't need anything high powered(I'm still running with 1 MB of video RAM). I have not come across a S3 based card that didn't work great for this implementation. My recommendation is to make sure you know what you want to do first. Don't waste money you could use for something else. -- Potts, Ross A. Internet : Ross.Potts@med.osd.mil EDS-D/SIDDOMS Phone : (703) 824-7601 Skyline Two, Suite 1200 Beeper : (888) 687-2709 5113 Leesburg Pike, FAX : (703) 824-4155 Falls Church, VA 22041 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 18 10:23:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17731 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:23:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk (csubl@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17698 for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:23:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from csubl@csv.warwick.ac.uk) Received: (from csubl@localhost) by holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA01358 for hardware@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 May 1998 18:23:42 +0100 (BST) From: Mr M P Searle Message-Id: <199805181723.SAA01358@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Abit BX6 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:23:41 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is anyone using this motherboard with FreeBSD? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 18 15:58:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00627 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 18 May 1998 15:58:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00488 for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 15:57:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA08715 for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 18:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:57:16 -0400 (EDT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RAID? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Howdy, I'm having trouble deciding what to do about a hardware raid solution here. We are looking to move all of our production machines to raid... I've so far tracked down two solutions that seem feasible, I'd appreciate any comments you may have. 1 - The dpt cards. All on one card, the 33xx series with multiple busses seem nice. The downside is there seems to be little ongoing support for the cards and some people over on -stable are reporting intermittent panics under heavy load. And have to drop into DOS to configure or rebuild an array seems like a kludge... 2 - Mylex DAC960-SUI. This is a scsi-scsi device. More expensive ($1900-ish) than the dpt, has three scsi channels, one for the host card, two for drives. Can be configured via a serial port or front panel controller (it fits in a 5 1/4 drive bay). With a hot spare, supports auto-rebuild. I assume the performance may be lower than dpt due to pushing all the data through a single bus back to the host controller... Any comments on the above solutions are appreciated. Thanks, Charles Charles Sprickman spork@super-g.com ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 18 21:26:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA00990 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 18 May 1998 21:26:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA00913 for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 21:25:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA18133; Tue, 19 May 1998 13:55:14 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199805190425.NAA18133@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: "Jose M. Alcaide" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: graphics card recommendations... In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 May 1998 09:45:28 MST." <4899.895250728@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:55:12 +0930 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > that this card only exists for PCI; only the Millennium II 4MB > > is available for AGP bus. > So buy the PCI card? :-) I don't really see the whole attraction of > AGP, to be honest. Well, considering that most cards with AGP are basically the PCI card with the interface hacked to support AGP, the speed difference is minimal.. Although when true AGP cards come out them some improvements may be had, probably in the line of more CPU left over, because blits take less time.. Also having a 3D card use main memory as texture RAM (with a local cache :) could be tatsy =) --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 18 21:39:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04395 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 18 May 1998 21:39:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04328 for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 21:39:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA18234; Tue, 19 May 1998 14:09:24 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199805190439.OAA18234@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: The Classiest Man Alive cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: graphics card recommendations... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 May 1998 11:41:23 -0400." <199805161544.LAA21747@zephyr.cybercom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 14:09:23 +0930 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > them. Of course, this may ultimately prove to be a moot point, since > manufacturers are now making cards with 8 and 12 MB of dedicated texture > RAM, more than any forseeable games will use. Hahah.. yeah.. I personally see 12Mb not being enough, but only because people always want more Most people on this list have a job because of that fact, so you can bet that AGP 3D cards become common.. Sad in a way I suppose... --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 18 21:53:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA07443 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 18 May 1998 21:53:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA07392 for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 21:53:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA18347; Tue, 19 May 1998 14:23:02 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199805190453.OAA18347@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: thehades cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Supermicro P6DLS In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 17 May 1998 12:39:44 -0400." <3.0.1.32.19980517123944.00910e20@pop.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 14:23:02 +0930 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Has anyone used the Supermicro P6DLS motherboard with FreeBSD? > I have heard good and bad things about it and want to know how > it works with FreeBSD. We use a P6SLS, which look suspiciously like a rebadged P6DLS, and it runs fairly well.. I can't seem to access the floppy drive through FreeBSD tho, but I haven't had much of a chance to fiddle with that yet.. (CDROM install :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 19 04:49:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA24304 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 04:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [195.50.91.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA24288; Tue, 19 May 1998 04:49:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@ivision.co.uk) Received: from julian by stingray.ivision.co.uk with local (Exim 1.62 #2) id 0ybktM-0000eN-00; Tue, 19 May 1998 12:49:12 +0100 Subject: Re: 12.0 GB Quantum Bigfoot TX IDE seen as 8.4 GB To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:49:12 +0100 (BST) Cc: randyk@ccsales.com, bob@wbs.net, toor@dyson.iquest.net, technical@wbs.net, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, julian@ivision.co.uk In-Reply-To: <199805171611.SAA05973@sos.freebsd.dk> from "Søren Schmidt" at May 17, 98 06:11:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Julian Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > In reply to Randy A. Katz who wrote: > > Hello, > >=20 > > Is there a status on this now? > > I have committed LBA support to -current about a month ago, and a fix for > "normal" CHS mode went in last monday. > Err, forgive my ignorance here, but I installed 2.2.6-STABLE off the net a couple of days ago... that didn't seem to include the stuff needed. I attempted to download -current's kernel source, but it doesn't want to compile with my sys/i386/config/CONFIGFILE... What am I going to need to do in order to get to use the drive? I really would rather use it on a -STABLE system even if I then apply a patch to that (potentially rendering it less stable) I need to use the drive as a spool to a tape drive on a machine doing the system backups and would rather it was a reliable machine :-) Apologies again for my relative lack of knowledge with regards using FreeBSD. Julian Unix Admin, Internet vision To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 19 04:57:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA25644 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 04:57:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.180] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA25630; Tue, 19 May 1998 04:57:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01981; Tue, 19 May 1998 13:56:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199805191156.NAA01981@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: 12.0 GB Quantum Bigfoot TX IDE seen as 8.4 GB In-Reply-To: from Julian at "May 19, 98 12:49:12 pm" To: julian@ivision.co.uk (Julian) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:56:58 +0200 (CEST) Cc: sos@FreeBSD.ORG, randyk@ccsales.com, bob@wbs.net, toor@dyson.iquest.net, technical@wbs.net, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, julian@ivision.co.uk From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In reply to Julian who wrote: > > Err, forgive my ignorance here, but I installed 2.2.6-STABLE off the > net a couple of days ago... that didn't seem to include the stuff > needed. I attempted to download -current's kernel source, but it > doesn't want to compile with my sys/i386/config/CONFIGFILE... The support is ONLY in -current, there are NO plans to backport it to -stable. You cannot simply run a -current kernel on a -stable system, there are too many differences. > What am I going to need to do in order to get to use the drive? I > really would rather use it on a -STABLE system even if I then apply > a patch to that (potentially rendering it less stable) As said, this is -current material ONLY. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 19 05:41:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA02852 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 05:41:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.artcom.de ([192.76.129.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA02822 for ; Tue, 19 May 1998 05:40:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hans@artcom.de) Received: by mail.artcom.de id m0yblhM-00023bC; Tue, 19 May 1998 14:40:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 14:40:52 +0200 (CEST) From: hans@artcom.de (Hans Huebner) To: julian@ivision.co.uk Subject: Re: 12.0 GB Quantum Bigfoot TX IDE seen as 8.4 GB Newsgroups: artcom.mailing-list.freebsd.hardware In-Reply-To: Organization: Art+Com GmbH, Berlin, Germany Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org And again: Julian writes: >> I have committed LBA support to -current about a month ago, and a fix for >> "normal" CHS mode went in last monday. >[...] >What am I going to need to do in order to get to use the drive? I >really would rather use it on a -STABLE system even if I then apply >a patch to that (potentially rendering it less stable) I'm beginning to get sick of this. I did port the the LBA code from -current to -stable, it works for me since weeks, and it works for several other people. I see no reason to not put that into -stable, and I'd really like to see that. 2.2.6-RELEASE is what people new to FreeBSD are installing, and it should support current hardware, if feasible. Supporting large IDE drives is feasible, so why not commit it? I opened a bug report with a patch on this. Please, someone commit it. -Hans To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 19 07:08:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA21170 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 07:08:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.180] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA21097 for ; Tue, 19 May 1998 07:08:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02408; Tue, 19 May 1998 16:07:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199805191407.QAA02408@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: 12.0 GB Quantum Bigfoot TX IDE seen as 8.4 GB In-Reply-To: from Hans Huebner at "May 19, 98 02:40:52 pm" To: hans@artcom.de (Hans Huebner) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:07:52 +0200 (CEST) Cc: julian@ivision.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In reply to Hans Huebner who wrote: > > >What am I going to need to do in order to get to use the drive? I > >really would rather use it on a -STABLE system even if I then apply > >a patch to that (potentially rendering it less stable) > > I'm beginning to get sick of this. I did port the the LBA code from > -current to -stable, it works for me since weeks, and it works for > several other people. I see no reason to not put that into -stable, > and I'd really like to see that. 2.2.6-RELEASE is what people new > to FreeBSD are installing, and it should support current hardware, if > feasible. Supporting large IDE drives is feasible, so why not commit > it? Erhm, this is not in the 2.2-stable charter folks, the patches that should go into 2.2-stable should only be bugfixes etc, the next thing is that somebody wants the SMP code into 2.2-stable... There has to be a line drawn somewhere.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 19 07:21:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23632 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 07:21:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [195.50.91.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA23615; Tue, 19 May 1998 07:21:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@ivision.co.uk) Received: from julian by stingray.ivision.co.uk with local (Exim 1.62 #2) id 0ybnH2-00027U-00; Tue, 19 May 1998 15:21:48 +0100 Subject: Re: 12.0 GB Quantum Bigfoot TX IDE seen as 8.4 GB To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:21:48 +0100 (BST) Cc: hans@artcom.de, julian@ivision.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805191407.QAA02408@sos.freebsd.dk> from "Søren Schmidt" at May 19, 98 04:07:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Julian Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Erhm, this is not in the 2.2-stable charter folks, the patches that > should go into 2.2-stable should only be bugfixes etc, the next thing > is that somebody wants the SMP code into 2.2-stable... > There has to be a line drawn somewhere.... Err, it isn't worth arguing the point, but this _is_ a bug as far as I am concerned. I can't specify the CHS setup I need to use this drive, I get errors with this drive attatched. I cannot format the drive correctly, I cannot use the drive correctly. Why not? Because LBA is broken on 2.2. I'd call that a bug. I appreciate, and approve of FreeBSD's attitude to implementing things slowly, and more cautiously as compared to Linux, but sometimes you seem over cautious to me. I now have a Hans Huebner's patch, and will be applying this sometime soon, so to an extent I am not fussed. I just don't entirely agree with where the line has been drawn in this case. Julian Unix Admin, Internet Vision To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 19 07:26:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA24737 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 07:26:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA24699 for ; Tue, 19 May 1998 07:26:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA27638; Wed, 20 May 1998 00:23:59 +1000 Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:23:59 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199805191423.AAA27638@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hans@artcom.de, julian@ivision.co.uk Subject: Re: 12.0 GB Quantum Bigfoot TX IDE seen as 8.4 GB Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>What am I going to need to do in order to get to use the drive? I >>really would rather use it on a -STABLE system even if I then apply >>a patch to that (potentially rendering it less stable) > >I'm beginning to get sick of this. I did port the the LBA code from >-current to -stable, it works for me since weeks, and it works for >several other people. I see no reason to not put that into -stable, Well, the LBA code was never finished in -current. Panic dumps are still done in CHS mode. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 19 07:37:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA26806 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 07:37:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.artcom.de ([192.76.129.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA26779 for ; Tue, 19 May 1998 07:36:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hans@artcom.de) Received: from transrapid.artcom.de by mail.artcom.de with smtp id m0ybnVN-00023hC; Tue, 19 May 1998 14:36:37 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:36:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Hans Huebner To: Bruce Evans cc: julian@ivision.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 12.0 GB Quantum Bigfoot TX IDE seen as 8.4 GB In-Reply-To: <199805191423.AAA27638@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 May 1998, Bruce Evans wrote: > Well, the LBA code was never finished in -current. Panic dumps are > still done in CHS mode. Okay. I'll be telling people not to use their LBA drives for swapping. -Hans To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 19 07:43:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA28062 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 07:43:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.180] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA28035; Tue, 19 May 1998 07:43:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02539; Tue, 19 May 1998 16:43:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199805191443.QAA02539@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: 12.0 GB Quantum Bigfoot TX IDE seen as 8.4 GB In-Reply-To: from Julian at "May 19, 98 03:21:48 pm" To: julian@ivision.co.uk (Julian) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:43:06 +0200 (CEST) Cc: sos@FreeBSD.ORG, hans@artcom.de, julian@ivision.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In reply to Julian who wrote: > > > > Erhm, this is not in the 2.2-stable charter folks, the patches that > > should go into 2.2-stable should only be bugfixes etc, the next thing > > is that somebody wants the SMP code into 2.2-stable... > > There has to be a line drawn somewhere.... > > Err, it isn't worth arguing the point, but this _is_ a bug as far as I > am concerned. I can't specify the CHS setup I need to use this drive, > I get errors with this drive attatched. I cannot format the drive > correctly, I cannot use the drive correctly. Why not? Because LBA > is broken on 2.2. I'd call that a bug. No its not broken, there simply is NO LBA support in -stable.... > I appreciate, and approve of FreeBSD's attitude to implementing things > slowly, and more cautiously as compared to Linux, but sometimes > you seem over cautious to me. If you want bleeding edge there is always -current :) And I repeat, there are no plans to incorporate DMA support into -stable. > I now have a Hans Huebner's patch, and will be applying this sometime > soon, so to an extent I am not fussed. I just don't entirely agree with > where the line has been drawn in this case. I havn't seen the patch, but if its a port of my first attempts in -current it breaks dump severely. Besides there is no need to use LBA mode to use the big drives, and this has been fixed in -current. I'm sure alot of people has other things they'd like to see backported to -stable, but thats the way life is. We simply doesn't have the manpower to do all the work that involves, and we will not risk the stability of -stable by doing any hasty hacks. -stable is targetted as the stable branch of FreeBSD for "end users", -current is the bleeding edge where new development is hashed out by the developers. Thats the way it is, and thats the way it has to stay.. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 19 08:26:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA06099 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 08:26:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Masters.leader-group.com (masters.leader-group.com [12.10.238.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA06066 for ; Tue, 19 May 1998 08:26:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmccloskey@leader-group.com) Received: from leader-group.com ([172.20.150.130]) by Masters.leader-group.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with ESMTP id AAA27869; Tue, 19 May 1998 09:22:54 -0600 Message-ID: <3561A392.C70039B@leader-group.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:21:54 -0600 From: "Brian McCloskey" Organization: Leader Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jose M. Alcaide" CC: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: graphics card recommendations... References: <355C4FA9.F3012FF3@we.lc.ehu.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You can get a Millennium II 8MB AGP bus card, though as some people have stated, the increase in performance won't be that great since manufactures are still working on the standards for this new trend. The main difference on AGP is a dedicated bus. This alone should increase your graphics speed due only to the fact that you don't have to contend with other traffic on your PCI bus. Jose M. Alcaide wrote: > Hello, > > I'm configuring a new system for running FreeBSD. I have chosen > all its components, except the graphics card. My first choice > was the Matrox Millennium II 8 MB, but my local dealer says > that this card only exists for PCI; only the Millennium II 4MB > is available for AGP bus. > > Now, I'm reconsidering my choice of graphics card, so I would be > very grateful for any recommendations. I know that there are > graphics adapters better than the Millennium II, but the Xfree86's > driver for this card has very good reputation. I'm searching > for a good card _very well_ supported by Xfree86. > > Cheers, > -- JM > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jose M. Alcaide | mailto:jose@we.lc.ehu.es > Universidad del Pais Vasco | http://www.we.lc.ehu.es/~jose > Dpto. de Electricidad y Electronica | > Facultad de Ciencias - Campus de Lejona | Tel.: +34-944647700 x2624 > 48940 Lejona (Vizcaya) - SPAIN | Fax: +34-944858139 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Go ahead... make my day." - H. Callahan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message -- _________________________________________________ Brian McCloskey | Leader Group Consultant | 5200 DTC Parkway ph: 303-773-9700 | Suite 500 fax: 303-773-9610 | Englewood, CO 80111 ____________________________|____________________ http://www.leader-group.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 19 09:56:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25671 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 09:56:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gw1.asacomputers.com (root@gw1.asacomputers.com [204.69.220.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25648 for ; Tue, 19 May 1998 09:56:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kedar@asacomputers.com) Received: by gw1.asacomputers.com id JAA26017; Tue, 19 May 1998 09:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980519165322.00f42c34@gw1> X-Sender: rajadnya@gw1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:53:22 -0700 To: spork From: Kedar Rajadnya Subject: Re: RAID? Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >auto-rebuild. I assume the performance may be lower than dpt due to >pushing all the data through a single bus back to the host controller... You might want to consider something like the CMD CRD-5440. It has 4 channels that can be configured as 1 host/3 disk, 2host/2disk, etc. So you can have the disks have a dedicated host channel if you wish. Kedar. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 19 10:36:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA04189 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 10:36:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03937; Tue, 19 May 1998 10:35:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12743; Tue, 19 May 1998 10:35:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG cc: julian@ivision.co.uk (Julian), randyk@ccsales.com, bob@wbs.net, toor@dyson.iquest.net, technical@wbs.net, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 12.0 GB Quantum Bigfoot TX IDE seen as 8.4 GB In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 19 May 1998 13:56:58 +0200." <199805191156.NAA01981@sos.freebsd.dk> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 10:35:23 -0700 Message-ID: <12739.895599323@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The support is ONLY in -current, there are NO plans to backport > it to -stable. You cannot simply run a -current kernel on a > -stable system, there are too many differences. Ummmm. Well, slight correction there: There are no plans for Soren to backport it to -stable or otherwise make it work, but that's not to say that other folks don't have plans of their own. :-) It would be simply unacceptable to leave a problem of this magnitude in -stable and, fortunately, others are working on it. PR#6686 already contains one set of proposed patches for this and the original poster is more than encouraged to test them out. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 19 10:48:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA05820 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 10:48:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05760 for ; Tue, 19 May 1998 10:48:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12896; Tue, 19 May 1998 10:47:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: hans@artcom.de (Hans Huebner) cc: julian@ivision.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 12.0 GB Quantum Bigfoot TX IDE seen as 8.4 GB In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 19 May 1998 14:40:52 +0200." Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 10:47:49 -0700 Message-ID: <12892.895600069@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm beginning to get sick of this. I did port the the LBA code from > -current to -stable, it works for me since weeks, and it works for > several other people. I see no reason to not put that into -stable, > and I'd really like to see that. 2.2.6-RELEASE is what people new Good, then you did exactly what was necessary to see this happen by submitting a PR. Until I saw your PR fly by today, I had no idea that anyone was even _working_ on this for -stable and couldn't very well recommend it to anyone for testing if I didn't know of its existence. Now that it's in the PR DB and I can point people at the exact PR# (6686), hopefully we'll get some other -stable folk to test it and I can then bring it into -stable in plenty of time for 2.2.7. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 19 11:02:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07743 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 11:02:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07684; Tue, 19 May 1998 11:02:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA12989; Tue, 19 May 1998 11:02:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG cc: hans@artcom.de (Hans Huebner), julian@ivision.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 12.0 GB Quantum Bigfoot TX IDE seen as 8.4 GB In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 19 May 1998 16:07:52 +0200." <199805191407.QAA02408@sos.freebsd.dk> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:02:22 -0700 Message-ID: <12985.895600942@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Erhm, this is not in the 2.2-stable charter folks, the patches that > should go into 2.2-stable should only be bugfixes etc, the next thing > is that somebody wants the SMP code into 2.2-stable... Erm. Supporting hardware, especially mainstream hardware (and large IDE drives are getting so cheap as to constitute mainstream), is well within the 2.2-stable charter and I'd be just as happy to add support for ATAPI CDRs (hint :) to 2.2.x since many many people ask for them. 2.2.x-stable has to be stable, this is indisputable, so features which do not benefit the user base at large, are highly experimental or cover something which is just too inconsequential to even risk a change over are certainly where the "line should be drawn." Failure to use all of a popular disk drive or rejecting a new driver which does not impact the old drivers (especially when such don't even exist :) is overly conservative, however, and not what -stable is about either. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 19 11:20:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA11358 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 11:20:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.180] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11224; Tue, 19 May 1998 11:20:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01624; Tue, 19 May 1998 20:19:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199805191819.UAA01624@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: 12.0 GB Quantum Bigfoot TX IDE seen as 8.4 GB In-Reply-To: <12985.895600942@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "May 19, 98 11:02:22 am" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 20:19:42 +0200 (CEST) Cc: sos@FreeBSD.ORG, hans@artcom.de, julian@ivision.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In reply to Jordan K. Hubbard who wrote: > > Erhm, this is not in the 2.2-stable charter folks, the patches that > > should go into 2.2-stable should only be bugfixes etc, the next thing > > is that somebody wants the SMP code into 2.2-stable... > > Erm. Supporting hardware, especially mainstream hardware (and large > IDE drives are getting so cheap as to constitute mainstream), is well > within the 2.2-stable charter and I'd be just as happy to add support > for ATAPI CDRs (hint :) to 2.2.x since many many people ask for them. I take the hint about the CDR's, in a couble of hours I can tell you more about that.... > 2.2.x-stable has to be stable, this is indisputable, so features which > do not benefit the user base at large, are highly experimental or > cover something which is just too inconsequential to even risk a > change over are certainly where the "line should be drawn." > > Failure to use all of a popular disk drive or rejecting a new driver > which does not impact the old drivers (especially when such don't even > exist :) is overly conservative, however, and not what -stable is > about either. Hmm, the LBA hack in -current is NOT stable, its a quickhack that should go again (I should know, I made it :) ), but the code that enables CHS mode on larger than 8G drives could be argued about. I'm just not sure that the added stuff doesn't break on older WD & ESDI drives, that should be tested first. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 19 11:47:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16600 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 11:47:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt053nd2.san.rr.com [204.210.34.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16421; Tue, 19 May 1998 11:46:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04266; Tue, 19 May 1998 11:45:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <3561D367.9EA59B07@dal.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:45:59 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE-0507 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG CC: Hans Huebner , julian@ivision.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 12.0 GB Quantum Bigfoot TX IDE seen as 8.4 GB References: <199805191407.QAA02408@sos.freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Søren Schmidt wrote: > > In reply to Hans Huebner who wrote: > > > > >What am I going to need to do in order to get to use the drive? I > > >really would rather use it on a -STABLE system even if I then apply > > >a patch to that (potentially rendering it less stable) > > > > I'm beginning to get sick of this. I did port the the LBA code from > > -current to -stable, it works for me since weeks, and it works for > > several other people. I see no reason to not put that into -stable, > > and I'd really like to see that. 2.2.6-RELEASE is what people new > > to FreeBSD are installing, and it should support current hardware, if > > feasible. Supporting large IDE drives is feasible, so why not commit > > it? > > Erhm, this is not in the 2.2-stable charter folks, the patches that > should go into 2.2-stable should only be bugfixes etc, the next thing > is that somebody wants the SMP code into 2.2-stable... > There has to be a line drawn somewhere.... New features are ported to -Stable all the time. The only requirement I've seen for that is that those features must be, you guessed it, stable. :) I have learned that things like > 8 character usernames or SMP can't be ported to -Stable because they involve architectural changes. However something like this (or CAM for that matter, which is already being tested with plans to commit it to -Stable) should make it in. Think about it. If new features were never added to -Stable we'd still be on the 2.1 branch. Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud designer and maintainer of the world's largest Internet *** Relay Chat server with 5,328 simultaneous connections. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 19 12:42:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29365 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 12:42:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mixer.visi.com (root@mixer.visi.com [209.98.98.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29314; Tue, 19 May 1998 12:41:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nordquis@visi.com) Received: from thumper.visi.com (nordquis@thumper.visi.com [209.98.98.3]) by mixer.visi.com (8.8.8/8.7.5) with ESMTP id OAA00658; Tue, 19 May 1998 14:41:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nordquis@localhost) by thumper.visi.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA26532; Tue, 19 May 1998 14:41:30 -0500 (CDT) Posted-Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 14:41:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199805191941.OAA26532@thumper.visi.com> Subject: PnP Questions (under 2.2.5) To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 14:41:30 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Brent J. Nordquist" Reply-to: "Brent J. Nordquist" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks so much to Sujal for providing the PnP code, and Paul Traina for pointing out where it can be found on the 2.2.5 media! I have a new machine with some PnP devices, and I'm in the process of installing it with 2.2.5. (One of the PnP devices is my modem, and that's how I'm going to get to -stable, so I have to get 2.2.5 bootstrapped for PnP.) I installed the patch in the xperimnt directory on 2.2.5 disc 3; the patch installed cleanly. I also installed pnpinfo and it worked fine; got all the parameters I needed. I added "controller pnp0" to the config. file and rebuilt the kernel. However, a boot -v doesn't show any lines with "pnp0" in it! So I have some questions: (1) Should it matter where in the kernel config. file the "controller pnp0" line is? (Right now it's almost at the bottom.) (2) Should boot -v print something with "pnp0" even if I got the hard-coded settings wrong somehow, and it couldn't find any devices? If it should be printing something, what can I look for next that I might have done wrong? (3) I read in the mailing lists about typing "pnp" after boot -c; will this help me at all? (Or will it even work with this version of the PnP software?) I'd be happy to send my config. file and/or my dmesg output, but I don't think you'll find anything useful in them; config. file was just a one line change (adding "controller pnp0") and dmesg output has no pnp0 in it. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer! -- Brent J. Nordquist / bjn@visi.com W: +1 612 905-7806 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 19 13:56:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11996 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 13:56:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11877; Tue, 19 May 1998 13:56:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13824; Tue, 19 May 1998 13:56:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG cc: hans@artcom.de, julian@ivision.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 12.0 GB Quantum Bigfoot TX IDE seen as 8.4 GB In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 19 May 1998 20:19:42 +0200." <199805191819.UAA01624@sos.freebsd.dk> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:56:03 -0700 Message-ID: <13818.895611363@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hmm, the LBA hack in -current is NOT stable, its a quickhack that > should go again (I should know, I made it :) ), but the code > that enables CHS mode on larger than 8G drives could be argued > about. I'm just not sure that the added stuff doesn't break > on older WD & ESDI drives, that should be tested first. OK. I'm hardly about to argue for the adoption of anything which is manifestly suspect (which the LBA stuff sounds like), don't get me wrong, it'd just be nice not to get beaten up by all the Bigfoot users when 2.2.7 comes out. If the CHS stuff sounds less risky, then the sooner it comes into -stable the better since that'll give us the maximum amount of time before 2.2.7 to test. Also don't forget - it's a lot easier to back something out of -stable again if we get real negative feedback, but it's a lot harder if we wait until the last week before BETA and then don't give ourselves any time at all. That's sorta what happened with the compatibility slice debacle. :( - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 19 14:15:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16082 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 14:15:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA15674; Tue, 19 May 1998 14:13:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id VAA10362; Tue, 19 May 1998 21:30:13 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805191930.VAA10362@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: PnP Questions (under 2.2.5) To: bjn@visi.com Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 21:30:13 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805191941.OAA26532@thumper.visi.com> from "Brent J. Nordquist" at May 19, 98 02:41:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Thanks so much to Sujal for providing the PnP code, and Paul Traina for ... I think you are better off using the newer PnP patches, heavily based on Sujal's code but with a reworked user- and device-driver interface. They are also on the 2.2.5 CD, under xperimnt/luigi something. (documentation and a manpage should be included). This is the code that got included in 2.2.6 cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 19 14:47:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23310 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 14:47:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23268; Tue, 19 May 1998 14:47:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00445; Tue, 19 May 1998 13:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805192043.NAA00445@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG cc: hans@artcom.de (Hans Huebner), julian@ivision.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 12.0 GB Quantum Bigfoot TX IDE seen as 8.4 GB In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 19 May 1998 16:07:52 +0200." <199805191407.QAA02408@sos.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:43:17 -0700 From: Mike Smith Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id OAA23274 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > In reply to Hans Huebner who wrote: > > > > >What am I going to need to do in order to get to use the drive? I > > >really would rather use it on a -STABLE system even if I then apply > > >a patch to that (potentially rendering it less stable) > > > > I'm beginning to get sick of this. I did port the the LBA code from > > -current to -stable, it works for me since weeks, and it works for > > several other people. I see no reason to not put that into -stable, > > and I'd really like to see that. 2.2.6-RELEASE is what people new > > to FreeBSD are installing, and it should support current hardware, if > > feasible. Supporting large IDE drives is feasible, so why not commit > > it? > > Erhm, this is not in the 2.2-stable charter folks, the patches that > should go into 2.2-stable should only be bugfixes etc, the next thing > is that somebody wants the SMP code into 2.2-stable... > There has to be a line drawn somewhere.... The inability to support current hardware is a bug. The LBA code represents an available fix for this bug. If the code has been backported, and review of said code passes it, I would be very happy to see it go into 2.2. We are going to wear a lot of flak about this otherwise. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 19 16:53:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20115 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 16:53:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20095 for ; Tue, 19 May 1998 16:53:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA18680 for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 20 May 1998 01:53:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 01:53:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <199805192353.BAA18680@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Underclocking (Was: Overclocking) Newsgroups: list.freebsd-hardware Organization: Administration Heim 3 Reply-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 RZTUC(3) PL2] Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In list.freebsd-hardware Greg Shenaut wrote: > I'm wondering if it might be possible to *underclock* > a CPU chip in order to increase its reliability, especially > under hot conditions. Has anyone tried this? I'm running > out of 386-based motherboards to use as remote server/router > boxes. I'm running a P5-100 at 90 MHz, so it doesn't need a fan (just a passive heatsink, which gets only slightly warm). I did this because I wanted the box to not produce _any_ noise (it's an MPEG audio player). Regards Oliver PS: If anyone is interested in details: http://fromme.com/project/ (It's not 100% up-to-date though.) -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18-61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 19 18:49:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13314 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 18:49:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13255 for ; Tue, 19 May 1998 18:49:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA08085 for ; Tue, 19 May 1998 21:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 21:48:32 -0400 (EDT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Underclocking (Was: Overclocking) In-Reply-To: <199805192353.BAA18680@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 May 1998, Oliver Fromme wrote: > PS: If anyone is interested in details: > http://fromme.com/project/ > (It's not 100% up-to-date though.) I stumbled on this the other day, this guy has some more finances (and a Miata), but it's the strangest mp3 player I've yet to see. It's Linux, but hey... http://utter.chaos.org.uk/~altman/mp3mobile/ Charles > > -- > Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18-61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany > (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 00:13:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA03232 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 00:13:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from asteroid.svib.ru (root@asteroid.svib.ru [195.151.166.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA03139; Wed, 20 May 1998 00:12:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru) Received: from minas-tirith.pol.ru (shuttle.svib.ru [195.151.166.144]) by asteroid.svib.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA29399; Wed, 20 May 1998 11:12:29 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru) Received: from minas-tirith.pol.ru (minas-tirith.pol.ru [127.0.0.1]) by minas-tirith.pol.ru (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA01701; Wed, 20 May 1998 11:08:46 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from tarkhil@minas-tirith.pol.ru) Message-Id: <199805200708.LAA01701@minas-tirith.pol.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru Subject: IWill and sio, again and again X-URL: http://freebsd.svib.ru Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:08:43 +0400 From: Alex Povolotsky Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! I am using IWill MB with weird comports, not detectable by sio driver. I have found patches, applied them and all was well. I've tried to build current kernel and found that sio.c has changed, and the old patch won't fit anymore. Does anyone know if there is any effort to commit changes to kernel ssources, to make soi.c understand EVERY comport, or at least make something like options WEIRDCOMPORT, so I won't have to patch again and again? Alex. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 01:46:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA20271 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 01:46:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA20231; Wed, 20 May 1998 01:46:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04297; Wed, 20 May 1998 10:44:29 +0200 (CEST) To: tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IWill and sio, again and again In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 May 1998 11:08:43 +0400." <199805200708.LAA01701@minas-tirith.pol.ru> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:44:28 +0200 Message-ID: <4295.895653868@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Submit an PR with the patches, surrounded by some sensible #ifdef, like "#ifdef BUGGY_" or simlar. In message <199805200708.LAA01701@minas-tirith.pol.ru>, Alex Povolotsky writes: >Hello! > >I am using IWill MB with weird comports, not detectable by sio driver. I have >found patches, applied them and all was well. > >I've tried to build current kernel and found that sio.c has changed, and the >old patch won't fit anymore. > >Does anyone know if there is any effort to commit changes to kernel ssources, >to make soi.c understand EVERY comport, or at least make something like >options WEIRDCOMPORT, so I won't have to patch again and again? > >Alex. > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "ttyv0" -- What UNIX calls a $20K state-of-the-art, 3D, hi-res color terminal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 02:17:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA24932 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 02:17:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA24907; Wed, 20 May 1998 02:17:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA26322; Wed, 20 May 1998 19:14:12 +1000 Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 19:14:12 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199805200914.TAA26322@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com, sos@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 12.0 GB Quantum Bigfoot TX IDE seen as 8.4 GB Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hans@artcom.de, julian@ivision.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >maximum amount of time before 2.2.7 to test. Also don't forget - it's >a lot easier to back something out of -stable again if we get real >negative feedback, but it's a lot harder if we wait until the last >week before BETA and then don't give ourselves any time at all. >That's sorta what happened with the compatibility slice debacle. :( It was clear fairly early that the compatibility slice handling shouldn't have been changed in any version of -stable. It doesn't even work right in my version of -current yet. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 02:27:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA26261 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 02:27:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA26255; Wed, 20 May 1998 02:27:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA27055; Wed, 20 May 1998 19:25:01 +1000 Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 19:25:01 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199805200925.TAA27055@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru Subject: Re: IWill and sio, again and again Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I am using IWill MB with weird comports, not detectable by sio driver. I have >found patches, applied them and all was well. > >I've tried to build current kernel and found that sio.c has changed, and the >old patch won't fit anymore. I don't know of any correct patch, but the problem can be worked around by ignoring the results of tests 5 and 7. >Does anyone know if there is any effort to commit changes to kernel ssources, >to make soi.c understand EVERY comport, or at least make something like >options WEIRDCOMPORT, so I won't have to patch again and again? This is impossible, since manufacturers keep inventing new incompatibilites. The IWill actually seems to have compatible sio ports and an incompatible interrupt controller. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 02:43:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA29521 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 02:43:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA29491; Wed, 20 May 1998 02:43:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id TAA22472; Wed, 20 May 1998 19:13:03 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980520191303.D22221@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 19:13:03 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Bruce Evans , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IWill and sio, again and again References: <199805200925.TAA27055@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199805200925.TAA27055@godzilla.zeta.org.au>; from Bruce Evans on Wed, May 20, 1998 at 07:25:01PM +1000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 May 1998 at 19:25:01 +1000, Bruce Evans wrote: >> I am using IWill MB with weird comports, not detectable by sio driver. I have >> found patches, applied them and all was well. >> >> I've tried to build current kernel and found that sio.c has changed, and the >> old patch won't fit anymore. > > I don't know of any correct patch, but the problem can be worked around > by ignoring the results of tests 5 and 7. On what hardware did you try this? I tried exactly this approach on an IWill P55XB2, and it didn't work. >> Does anyone know if there is any effort to commit changes to kernel ssources, >> to make soi.c understand EVERY comport, or at least make something like >> options WEIRDCOMPORT, so I won't have to patch again and again? > > This is impossible, since manufacturers keep inventing new incompatibilites. > > The IWill actually seems to have compatible sio ports and an incompatible > interrupt controller. We may not be talking about the same thing. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 04:10:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA13706 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 04:10:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA13686; Wed, 20 May 1998 04:10:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA00260; Wed, 20 May 1998 21:05:42 +1000 Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:05:42 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199805201105.VAA00260@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, grog@lemis.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru Subject: Re: IWill and sio, again and again Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> I don't know of any correct patch, but the problem can be worked around >> by ignoring the results of tests 5 and 7. Actually tests 5 and 8. >On what hardware did you try this? I tried exactly this approach on >an IWill P55XB2, and it didn't work. IForget. The probe can't possibly not work if you ignore the failures in it. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 04:59:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA23501 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 04:59:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA23470; Wed, 20 May 1998 04:59:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id VAA23034; Wed, 20 May 1998 21:28:49 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980520212848.B22701@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:28:48 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Bruce Evans , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IWill and sio, again and again References: <199805201105.VAA00260@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199805201105.VAA00260@godzilla.zeta.org.au>; from Bruce Evans on Wed, May 20, 1998 at 09:05:42PM +1000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 May 1998 at 21:05:42 +1000, Bruce Evans wrote: >>> I don't know of any correct patch, but the problem can be worked around >>> by ignoring the results of tests 5 and 7. > > Actually tests 5 and 8. That sounds better. You can tell I didn't check the code. >> On what hardware did you try this? I tried exactly this approach on >> an IWill P55XB2, and it didn't work. > > IForget. The probe can't possibly not work if you ignore the failures > in it. Sorry, let me restate that: yes, the probe succeeded, it found the ports, and they didn't work. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 07:31:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA10618 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 07:31:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mixer.visi.com (root@mixer.visi.com [209.98.98.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA10574; Wed, 20 May 1998 07:31:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nordquis@visi.com) Received: from thumper.visi.com (nordquis@thumper.visi.com [209.98.98.3]) by mixer.visi.com (8.8.8/8.7.5) with ESMTP id JAA26127; Wed, 20 May 1998 09:30:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nordquis@localhost) by thumper.visi.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA11257; Wed, 20 May 1998 09:30:56 -0500 (CDT) Posted-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:30:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199805201430.JAA11257@thumper.visi.com> Subject: Re: PnP Questions (under 2.2.5) In-Reply-To: <199805191930.VAA10362@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from Luigi Rizzo at "May 19, 98 09:30:13 pm" To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:30:55 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Brent J. Nordquist" Reply-to: "Brent J. Nordquist" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org | I think you are better off using the newer PnP patches, heavily based | on Sujal's code but with a reworked user- and device-driver interface. | They are also on the 2.2.5 CD, under xperimnt/luigi something. | (documentation and a manpage should be included). This is the code that | got included in 2.2.6 Super! This had great documentation and was very straightforward to set up. I've got it working now. Thanks for the pointer! -- Brent J. Nordquist / bjn@visi.com W: +1 612 905-7806 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 08:20:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA15602 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 08:20:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from techpower.net (hometeam@techpower.net [205.133.231.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15450; Wed, 20 May 1998 08:19:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hometeam@techpower.net) Received: from localhost (hometeam@localhost) by techpower.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA06373; Wed, 20 May 1998 11:16:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from hometeam@techpower.net) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:16:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Jt To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IWill and sio, again and again In-Reply-To: <4295.895653868@critter.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I also have a problem with sio in Current the 650 support is broken With all the new machinces coming out with 650 uart isn't it time we fix the sio driver and enclude 650 support for stable 2.2.6 ? This support was added to Current a while back and I am not sure if it ever worked...I normally run stable and perfer on this machince to run stable. Current is only for the obscure 0x20000 set flag. Which I find out now is broken. HELP! grin) Who do we bribe , I know one of you guys are on the take!:) On Wed, 20 May 1998, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > Submit an PR with the patches, surrounded by some sensible #ifdef, > like "#ifdef BUGGY_" or simlar. > > In message <199805200708.LAA01701@minas-tirith.pol.ru>, Alex Povolotsky writes: > >Hello! > > > >I am using IWill MB with weird comports, not detectable by sio driver. I have > >found patches, applied them and all was well. > > > >I've tried to build current kernel and found that sio.c has changed, and the > >old patch won't fit anymore. > > > >Does anyone know if there is any effort to commit changes to kernel ssources, > >to make soi.c understand EVERY comport, or at least make something like > >options WEIRDCOMPORT, so I won't have to patch again and again? > > > >Alex. > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member > phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." > "ttyv0" -- What UNIX calls a $20K state-of-the-art, 3D, hi-res color terminal > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 09:51:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA29473 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 09:51:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA29390; Wed, 20 May 1998 09:51:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00372; Wed, 20 May 1998 08:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805201546.IAA00372@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Bruce Evans cc: grog@lemis.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IWill and sio, again and again In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 May 1998 21:05:42 +1000." <199805201105.VAA00260@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:46:10 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> I don't know of any correct patch, but the problem can be worked around > >> by ignoring the results of tests 5 and 7. > > Actually tests 5 and 8. > > >On what hardware did you try this? I tried exactly this approach on > >an IWill P55XB2, and it didn't work. > > IForget. The probe can't possibly not work if you ignore the failures > in it. The probe works, but the port doesn't, due to the attach making assumptions about the results of the probe. This is a basic failure in implementation of many probe/attach pairs, which will be exacerbated if/ when the probes are obsoleted by PnP detection. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 10:15:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA04935 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 10:15:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04898; Wed, 20 May 1998 10:15:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA19337; Thu, 21 May 1998 03:11:11 +1000 Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 03:11:11 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199805201711.DAA19337@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: IWill and sio, again and again Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, grog@lemis.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> >> I don't know of any correct patch, but the problem can be worked around >> >> by ignoring the results of tests 5 and 7. >> >> Actually tests 5 and 8. >> >> >On what hardware did you try this? I tried exactly this approach on >> >an IWill P55XB2, and it didn't work. >> >> IForget. The probe can't possibly not work if you ignore the failures >> in it. > >The probe works, but the port doesn't, due to the attach making >assumptions about the results of the probe. This is a basic failure in >implementation of many probe/attach pairs, which will be exacerbated if/ >when the probes are obsoleted by PnP detection. The port worked fine on the system I debugged it on. The attach makes no assumptions about the results of the probe, but it assumes that a successful probe leaves a couple of registers in a certain state. Butchery of the probe to do more than ignore the failures could easily break this. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 10:43:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09904 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 10:43:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09898; Wed, 20 May 1998 10:43:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00695; Wed, 20 May 1998 09:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805201638.JAA00695@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Bruce Evans cc: mike@smith.net.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, grog@lemis.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru Subject: Re: IWill and sio, again and again In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 21 May 1998 03:11:11 +1000." <199805201711.DAA19337@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:38:53 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> >> I don't know of any correct patch, but the problem can be worked around > >> >> by ignoring the results of tests 5 and 7. > >> > >> Actually tests 5 and 8. > >> > >> >On what hardware did you try this? I tried exactly this approach on > >> >an IWill P55XB2, and it didn't work. > >> > >> IForget. The probe can't possibly not work if you ignore the failures > >> in it. > > > >The probe works, but the port doesn't, due to the attach making > >assumptions about the results of the probe. This is a basic failure in > >implementation of many probe/attach pairs, which will be exacerbated if/ > >when the probes are obsoleted by PnP detection. > > The port worked fine on the system I debugged it on. Do you mean to say that you've assessed the problem with the ACER UART (or the PIC arrangement used with it)? What is your prognosis? > The attach makes > no assumptions about the results of the probe, but it assumes that a > successful probe leaves a couple of registers in a certain state. > Butchery of the probe to do more than ignore the failures could easily > break this. Butchery of the probe to merely ignore the failures results in a nonworking port. Butchery of the probe to include the bogus-but-functional probe code on Greg's page results in a working port. The inference here is that the attach assumes some port state that is not achieved by the normal probe. If we were to use the PnP BIOS data to determine the port's configuration and ignored the probe, it would be interesting to know if the attach would result in a working port. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 11:25:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19275 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 11:25:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19132; Wed, 20 May 1998 11:25:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA22099; Thu, 21 May 1998 04:22:51 +1000 Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 04:22:51 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199805201822.EAA22099@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: IWill and sio, again and again Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, grog@lemis.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> The port worked fine on the system I debugged it on. > >Do you mean to say that you've assessed the problem with the ACER UART >(or the PIC arrangement used with it)? What is your prognosis? No, I only worked around the problem on one IWill system. The PIC (or something beteween the UART and the PIC) apparently latches rising edges of IRQ signals even for IRQs that are masked in the PIC. >> The attach makes >> no assumptions about the results of the probe, but it assumes that a >> successful probe leaves a couple of registers in a certain state. >> Butchery of the probe to do more than ignore the failures could easily >> break this. > >Butchery of the probe to merely ignore the failures results in a >nonworking port. >Butchery of the probe to include the bogus-but-functional probe code on >Greg's page results in a working port. That patch is just as bad as its author says. It assumes working loopback mode and IIRC breaks the shared IRQ case. It works by ignoring all errors and all non-errors, and replacing the tests by another one which doesn't fail. Side affects of the test apparently help. They wouldn't have helped on the system that I tested. >The inference here is that the attach assumes some port state that is >not achieved by the normal probe. If we were to use the PnP BIOS data >to determine the port's configuration and ignored the probe, it would >be interesting to know if the attach would result in a working port. It should not-work even for non-IWill UARTs, since the attach assumes certain values in the cfcr, ier and mcr registers. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 11:37:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22305 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 11:37:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ELR17.ateng.az.honeywell.com (elr17.ateng.az.Honeywell.COM [129.239.169.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA22135 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 11:36:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from egravel@elr346.ateng.az.honeywell.com) Received: from elr346.ateng.az.honeywell.com by elr346.ateng.az.honeywell.com with SMTP; Wed, 20 May 1998 11:35:50 -0700 Message-ID: <3562C014.36712FD@elr346.ateng.az.honeywell.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:35:48 -0700 From: Emmanuel Gravel Organization: Honeywell X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V6.1 VAXstation 4000-90) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD and the PentiumII processor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What's the status on compatibility between the two? If I want to get a dual PII 400 system, as an example, will FreeBSD support it fully? What would potential problems be? Thanks! Emmanuel Gravel egravel@elr346.ateng.az.honeywell.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 11:49:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25465 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 11:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25371; Wed, 20 May 1998 11:49:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01041; Wed, 20 May 1998 10:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805201744.KAA01041@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Bruce Evans cc: mike@smith.net.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, grog@lemis.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru Subject: Re: IWill and sio, again and again In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 21 May 1998 04:22:51 +1000." <199805201822.EAA22099@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:44:44 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> The port worked fine on the system I debugged it on. > > > >Do you mean to say that you've assessed the problem with the ACER UART > >(or the PIC arrangement used with it)? What is your prognosis? > > No, I only worked around the problem on one IWill system. The PIC (or > something beteween the UART and the PIC) apparently latches rising edges > of IRQ signals even for IRQs that are masked in the PIC. Is this perhaps related to the 'serialized IRQ protocol' that the ACER UART claims to support? Some more research indicates that this is a "new feature" in the TX and LX chipsets. The descriptions I've been able to find of this so far seem to indicate that it might fit the bill. Look for it in the PIIX4 documentation, if you have that. You may need to pester Acer for a copy of the 513X datasheet as well. > >The inference here is that the attach assumes some port state that is > >not achieved by the normal probe. If we were to use the PnP BIOS data > >to determine the port's configuration and ignored the probe, it would > >be interesting to know if the attach would result in a working port. > > It should not-work even for non-IWill UARTs, since the attach assumes > certain values in the cfcr, ier and mcr registers. That sounds like "I agree". How much effort would be required to make the attach assume a completely indeterminate ground state, predicated simply on knowing that the port is present? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 11:54:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26576 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 11:54:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from marlin.corp.gulf.net (root@marlin.corp.gulf.net [198.69.72.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26366 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 11:52:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tbackman@corp.gulf.net) Received: from marlin.corp.gulf.net (tbackman@marlin.corp.gulf.net [206.105.61.2]) by marlin.corp.gulf.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA19359 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:51:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:51:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Backman To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SCSI Differential cards Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have purchased 2 Barracuda ST32171WD Ultra-scsi 3 HDs ($89 each ;^) ) and I have to buy a differential scsi card. Has anyone had any good/bad experiences with the mylex 958d cards? Thanks. ===================================================================== Todd Backman (tbackman@corp.gulf.net) Network Engineering Team Leader Systems/POP Administration Gulf Coast Internet Company 1-800-444-INET To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 12:16:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02589 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 12:16:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.15.68.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02480; Wed, 20 May 1998 12:15:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA23917; Thu, 21 May 1998 05:15:00 +1000 Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 05:15:00 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199805201915.FAA23917@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: IWill and sio, again and again Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, grog@lemis.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> No, I only worked around the problem on one IWill system. The PIC (or >> something beteween the UART and the PIC) apparently latches rising edges >> of IRQ signals even for IRQs that are masked in the PIC. > >Is this perhaps related to the 'serialized IRQ protocol' that the ACER >UART claims to support? Some more research indicates that this is a >"new feature" in the TX and LX chipsets. The descriptions I've been >able to find of this so far seem to indicate that it might fit the bill. >Look for it in the PIIX4 documentation, if you have that. You may need >to pester Acer for a copy of the 513X datasheet as well. Don't have it. I couldn't find your old mail about this. >> It should not-work even for non-IWill UARTs, since the attach assumes >> certain values in the cfcr, ier and mcr registers. > >That sounds like "I agree". How much effort would be required to make >the attach assume a completely indeterminate ground state, predicated >simply on knowing that the port is present? 3 lines... plus not more than a few thousand lines to configure it :-). Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 12:18:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03469 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 12:18:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03377 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 12:18:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01203; Wed, 20 May 1998 11:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805201814.LAA01203@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Emmanuel Gravel cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD and the PentiumII processor In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 May 1998 11:35:48 PDT." <3562C014.36712FD@elr346.ateng.az.honeywell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:14:22 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > What's the status on compatibility between the two? If I want to get > a dual PII 400 system, as an example, will FreeBSD support it fully? > What would potential problems be? You'll need to run -current to take advantage of both processors. That might be a problem in and of itself, although it depends on just how much you want to hurt yourself. If you feel reasonably comfortable with taking care of yourself, it's definitely worth the effort. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 12:23:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04802 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 12:23:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04710 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 12:22:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21396; Wed, 20 May 1998 12:22:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Emmanuel Gravel cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD and the PentiumII processor In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 May 1998 11:35:48 PDT." <3562C014.36712FD@elr346.ateng.az.honeywell.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:22:55 -0700 Message-ID: <21393.895692175@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > What's the status on compatibility between the two? If I want to get > a dual PII 400 system, as an example, will FreeBSD support it fully? > What would potential problems be? 1. They work just great. 2. If you're willing to ride out on the bleeding edge with a 3.0 SNAP, dual will work fine also (otherwise just get a single CPU for now and wait until October). - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 12:27:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05822 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 12:27:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05515; Wed, 20 May 1998 12:26:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01249; Wed, 20 May 1998 11:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805201822.LAA01249@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Bruce Evans cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, grog@lemis.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru Subject: Re: IWill and sio, again and again In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 21 May 1998 05:15:00 +1000." <199805201915.FAA23917@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:22:23 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> No, I only worked around the problem on one IWill system. The PIC (or > >> something beteween the UART and the PIC) apparently latches rising edges > >> of IRQ signals even for IRQs that are masked in the PIC. > > > >Is this perhaps related to the 'serialized IRQ protocol' that the ACER > >UART claims to support? Some more research indicates that this is a > >"new feature" in the TX and LX chipsets. The descriptions I've been > >able to find of this so far seem to indicate that it might fit the bill. > > >Look for it in the PIIX4 documentation, if you have that. You may need > >to pester Acer for a copy of the 513X datasheet as well. > > Don't have it. I couldn't find your old mail about this. http://www.acerlabs.com for the Acer stuff. If you can't get anything useful out of them, let me know and I'll pursue it. Intel have all their datasheets up at http://developer.intel.com, including the TX stuff. It seems that the deal with the serialised IRQ protocol is that the IRQ is encoded on the PCI bus rather than being an input to the ISA bridge. There may be vagaries in the handling of this. 8( > >> It should not-work even for non-IWill UARTs, since the attach assumes > >> certain values in the cfcr, ier and mcr registers. > > > >That sounds like "I agree". How much effort would be required to make > >the attach assume a completely indeterminate ground state, predicated > >simply on knowing that the port is present? > > 3 lines... plus not more than a few thousand lines to configure it :-). 8) I'll just settle for the attach making no assumptions about the device's state. One thing at a time. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 12:57:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13141 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 12:57:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ELR17.ateng.az.honeywell.com (elr17.ateng.az.Honeywell.COM [129.239.169.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA13088 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 12:57:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from egravel@elr346.ateng.az.honeywell.com) Received: from elr346.ateng.az.honeywell.com by elr346.ateng.az.honeywell.com with SMTP; Wed, 20 May 1998 12:55:42 -0700 Message-ID: <3562D2CC.78A91243@elr346.ateng.az.honeywell.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:55:40 -0700 From: Emmanuel Gravel Organization: Honeywell X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V6.1 VAXstation 4000-90) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD and the PentiumII processor References: <21393.895692175@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > What's the status on compatibility between the two? If I want to get > > a dual PII 400 system, as an example, will FreeBSD support it fully? > > What would potential problems be? > > 1. They work just great. > 2. If you're willing to ride out on the bleeding edge with a 3.0 SNAP, > dual will work fine also (otherwise just get a single CPU for now > and wait until October). > > - Jordan Thanks for all your replies. I wasn't expecting on setting it up before the next full release anyways (as Alex pointed out, it's going to be fully implemented by October in the -stable). I've checked on many pages on the FreeBSD site and had found nothing, so I didn't want to take the chance... Thanks again! Emmanuel Gravel egravel@elr346.ateng.az.honeywell.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 14:21:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA29849 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 14:21:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [206.127.225.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA29743 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 14:20:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard@pegasus.com) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id LAA27512; Wed, 20 May 1998 11:20:26 -1000 Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:20:26 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199805202120.LAA27512@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Todd Backman "SCSI Differential cards" (May 20, 1:51pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI Differential cards Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org } } I have purchased 2 Barracuda ST32171WD Ultra-scsi 3 HDs ($89 each ;^) ) } and I have to buy a differential scsi card. Has anyone had any good/bad } experiences with the mylex 958d cards? } I've had trouble with other mylex interfaces. I'd stay away from this one simply because it's not very popular, thus support will be spotty. I think some of the Adaptec boards are available in differential versions. Richard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 15:35:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13315 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 15:35:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from george.arc.nasa.gov (george.arc.nasa.gov [128.102.194.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12553 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 15:30:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov) Received: from localhost (lamaster@localhost) by george.arc.nasa.gov (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA27654 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 15:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:29:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh LaMaster To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: graphics card recommendations... In-Reply-To: <3561A392.C70039B@leader-group.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 19 May 1998, Brian McCloskey wrote: > You can get a Millennium II 8MB AGP bus card, though as some people have > stated, the increase in performance won't be that great since manufactures > are still working on the standards for this new trend. The main difference > on AGP is a dedicated bus. This alone should increase your graphics speed > due only to the fact that you don't have to contend with other traffic on > your PCI bus. There are some nice web pages out there, e.g., off of Tom's Hardware Guide, and elsewhere. The numbers usually show little if any difference (with this card generation) between AGP and PCI versions of the same card. To me, that alone sounds like a good reason to buy the AGP card: saving a PCI slot. If AGP works, use it, and you will have a spare precious PCI slot for use with another disk controller, NIC, or a new audio PCI card once someone succeeds in prying the programming info. out of one of the PCI audio card vendors. -- Hugh LaMaster, M/S 233-21, ASCII Email: hlamaster@mail.arc.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center Or: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 No Junkmail: USC 18 section 2701 Phone: 650/604-1056 Disclaimer: Unofficial, personal *opinion*. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 16:35:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24310 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 16:35:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24235 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 16:35:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02356; Wed, 20 May 1998 15:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805202230.PAA02356@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI Differential cards In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 May 1998 11:20:26 -1000." <199805202120.LAA27512@pegasus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:30:20 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > } > } I have purchased 2 Barracuda ST32171WD Ultra-scsi 3 HDs ($89 each ;^) ) > } and I have to buy a differential scsi card. Has anyone had any good/bad > } experiences with the mylex 958d cards? > } > > I've had trouble with other mylex interfaces. I'd stay away from this one > simply because it's not very popular, thus support will be spotty. > > I think some of the Adaptec boards are available in differential versions. Try http://www.corpsys.com/, they have an NCR-based PCI differential controller for $195. This is about as good/cheap as you're going to get. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 16:59:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28243 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 16:59:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mauswerks.net (root@ns.mauswerks.com [204.152.96.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28219 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 16:59:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from feral.com (root@[209.54.254.2]) by ns.mauswerks.net (8.8.0/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA06239; Wed, 20 May 1998 17:01:12 -0700 Received: from feral-gw (mjacob@gw100.feral.com [192.67.166.129]) by feral.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA32017; Wed, 20 May 1998 16:58:59 -0700 Message-ID: <35636E42.6780B600@feral.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:58:58 -0700 From: Matthew Jacob Organization: Feral Software X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith CC: Richard Foulk , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI Differential cards References: <199805202230.PAA02356@dingo.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith wrote: > > > Try http://www.corpsys.com/, they have an NCR-based PCI differential > controller for $195. This is about as good/cheap as you're going to > get. > Yes, but don't assume that any post-sales interaction with them will be anything but painful. Also, the NCR based adapters often get hysterical if you don't have a disk you're going to boot from them on that channel. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 17:10:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00542 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 17:10:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00495 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 17:10:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02496; Wed, 20 May 1998 16:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805202305.QAA02496@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Matthew Jacob cc: Mike Smith , Richard Foulk , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI Differential cards In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 May 1998 16:58:58 PDT." <35636E42.6780B600@feral.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:05:15 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > > Try http://www.corpsys.com/, they have an NCR-based PCI differential > > controller for $195. This is about as good/cheap as you're going to > > get. > > > > > Yes, but don't assume that any post-sales interaction with > them will be anything but painful. Hmm, I can't really comment on that, as I've never had to interact with them post-sales. > Also, the NCR based > adapters often get hysterical if you don't have a disk you're > going to boot from them on that channel. Er, they do? Are you referring to the particular adapter from CSC, or just NCR adapters in general? I can't say in all the time I've been using them that I've ever encountered this... -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 17:17:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01343 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 17:17:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mauswerks.net (root@ns.mauswerks.com [204.152.96.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01319 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 17:16:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from feral.com (mjacob@[209.54.254.2]) by ns.mauswerks.net (8.8.0/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA06255; Wed, 20 May 1998 17:18:37 -0700 Received: (from mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA32102; Wed, 20 May 1998 17:16:24 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:16:24 -0700 From: Matthew Jacob Message-Id: <199805210016.RAA32102@feral.com> To: mike@smith.net.au, mjacob@feral.com Subject: Re: SCSI Differential cards Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, richard@pegasus.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> Also, the NCR based >> adapters often get hysterical if you don't have a disk you're >> going to boot from them on that channel. > >Er, they do? Are you referring to the particular adapter from CSC, or >just NCR adapters in general? I can't say in all the time I've been >using them that I've ever encountered this... > It's a function of SDMS (NCR/Symbios) BIOS- which they may have fixed in recent times- I haven't really checked the differential NCR adapter I bought from CSC last year for that problem since I was plugging it into an Alpha and an AIX box. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 21:02:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA09320 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 21:02:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from quokka.prth.tensor.pgs.com (quokka1.prth.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.224.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA09193 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 21:01:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shocking@ariadne.prth.tensor.pgs.com) Received: from ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (ariadne [157.147.227.36]) by quokka.prth.tensor.pgs.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA22778 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 12:00:53 +0800 (WST) Received: from ariadne by ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA20186; Thu, 21 May 1998 12:00:47 +0800 Message-Id: <199805210400.MAA20186@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: K6 & PPro specific instructions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:00:47 +0800 From: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm a little unclear on this - my K6 reports itself as a 586 class CPU under FreeBSD, but I was wondering if it implemented some of the PPro specific instructions/features. I'm quite happy with it - it's a K6-233, does a make buildworld in 1hr 20m (NOTCL, but with profiled libs, /usr/src mounted noatime, /usr/obj async, 48Mb, 512k cache, 2 SCSI drives hanging off an NCR-875). My old CPU (P5-120) did a make world in 3hrs. Oddly enough, where I used to have occasional hangs and crashes (which seemed hardware related, for a long time I was blaming the memory) it's now solid as a rock. Stephen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 21:51:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA19692 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 21:51:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (winter@sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA19635 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 21:51:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA01447; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:50:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Mike Smith cc: Richard Foulk , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI Differential cards In-Reply-To: <199805202230.PAA02356@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 May 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > Try http://www.corpsys.com/, they have an NCR-based PCI differential > controller for $195. This is about as good/cheap as you're going to > get. R.J. Kulman (sp) appears to have a number of 825 based differential boards for somethink like $90/each. Check misc.forsale.computers.workstation /* Matthew N. Dodd | A memory retaining a love you had for life winter@jurai.net | As cruel as it seems nothing ever seems to http://www.jurai.net/~winter | go right - FLA M 3.1:53 */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 22:08:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA22605 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 22:08:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22445 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 22:06:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id OAA26625; Thu, 21 May 1998 14:36:44 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980521143644.X22701@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:36:44 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: K6 & PPro specific instructions References: <199805210400.MAA20186@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199805210400.MAA20186@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com>; from Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth on Thu, May 21, 1998 at 12:00:47PM +0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 21 May 1998 at 12:00:47 +0800, Stephen Hocking-Seni wrote: > > I'm a little unclear on this - my K6 reports itself as a 586 class CPU under > FreeBSD, but I was wondering if it implemented some of the PPro specific > instructions/features. I haven't investigated. > I'm quite happy with it - it's a K6-233, does a make buildworld in 1hr 20m > (NOTCL, but with profiled libs, /usr/src mounted noatime, /usr/obj async, > 48Mb, 512k cache, 2 SCSI drives hanging off an NCR-875). My old CPU (P5-120) > did a make world in 3hrs. > > Oddly enough, where I used to have occasional hangs and crashes (which seemed > hardware related, for a long time I was blaming the memory) it's now solid as > a rock. I have a K6/233 as well. I had a lot of difficulty of this nature when I first got it. I did some temperature measurements and found that the problems were related to overheating (when the processor surface reached about 63°). Finally I got a large enough fan, and the problems went away. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 22:22:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA25085 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 22:22:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA25047 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 22:22:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com) Received: (from gibbs@localhost) by narnia.plutotech.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id XAA15257; Wed, 20 May 1998 23:18:07 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:18:07 -0600 (MDT) From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Message-Id: <199805210518.XAA15257@narnia.plutotech.com> To: Matthew Jacob cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI Differential cards Newsgroups: pluto.freebsd.hardware In-Reply-To: <199805202230.PAA02356@dingo.cdrom.com> <35636E42.6780B600@feral.com> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971204 (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.0-CURRENT (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <35636E42.6780B600@feral.com> you wrote: > > Also, the NCR based > adapters often get hysterical if you don't have a disk you're > going to boot from them on that channel. That wasn't my experience with a Diamond Fireport 40. Perhaps Diamond enhanced the BIOS? I just had to tell it not to include the device in the "BIOS scan" and it worked fine. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 20 23:48:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA08779 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 23:48:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from keg.cs.vu.nl (root@keg.cs.vu.nl [130.37.24.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA08701 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 23:47:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gkoller@cs.vu.nl) Received: from localhost by keg.cs.vu.nl with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #48) id m0ycP8r-0007BuC; Thu, 21 May 98 08:47 +0200 Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 08:47:53 +0200 (MET DST) From: Guido Kollerie To: Richard Foulk cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI Differential cards In-Reply-To: <199805202120.LAA27512@pegasus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 May 1998, Richard Foulk wrote: > } I have purchased 2 Barracuda ST32171WD Ultra-scsi 3 HDs ($89 each ;^) ) > } and I have to buy a differential scsi card. Has anyone had any good/bad > } experiences with the mylex 958d cards? > > I've had trouble with other mylex interfaces. I'd stay away from this one > simply because it's not very popular, thus support will be spotty. Very recently Justin T. Gibbs released a new device driver for the Multimaster series, which includes the bt-958d. Hence support seems to be just fine to me. -- Guido Kollerie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 21 05:30:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA28330 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 21 May 1998 05:30:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA28318 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 05:30:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0.Beta7/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id OAA05367 for hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 21 May 1998 14:30:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.9.0.Beta4/keltia-2.14/nospam) id NAA13602 for hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 21 May 1998 13:27:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980521132713.A13596@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:27:13 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: K6 & PPro specific instructions Mail-Followup-To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199805210400.MAA20186@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.3i In-Reply-To: <199805210400.MAA20186@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com>; from Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth on Thu, May 21, 1998 at 12:00:47PM +0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4308 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth: > I'm a little unclear on this - my K6 reports itself as a 586 class CPU under > FreeBSD, but I was wondering if it implemented some of the PPro specific > instructions/features. PPro instructions I don't think so. Check AMD docs for this, they're available in PDF format from AMD's site. The main document is very interesting with many details about the internal architecture of the processor. If you want to play with it, get EGCS + the PGCC patches (they're in ports and available from ftp.goof.com). With the new compiler you can specify -march=amdk6 and have code abit tuned for the K6. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #60: Fri May 15 21:04:22 CEST 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 21 09:10:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA00959 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 21 May 1998 09:10:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from george.arc.nasa.gov (george.arc.nasa.gov [128.102.194.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00752 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 09:09:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov) Received: from localhost (lamaster@localhost) by george.arc.nasa.gov (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA29912 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 09:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:09:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh LaMaster To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI Differential cards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 21 May 1998, Guido Kollerie wrote: > On Wed, 20 May 1998, Richard Foulk wrote: > > > } I have purchased 2 Barracuda ST32171WD Ultra-scsi 3 HDs ($89 each ;^) ) > > } and I have to buy a differential scsi card. Has anyone had any good/bad > > } experiences with the mylex 958d cards? > > > > I've had trouble with other mylex interfaces. I'd stay away from this one > > simply because it's not very popular, thus support will be spotty. Strange. I used a BT-958 fast/wide (but not differential) for some time and, with a fast disk got excellent results (as a single user of the system). And, that was with the old driver with no tagged queuing. Assuming the debug stage is past, the new driver: > > Very recently Justin T. Gibbs released a new device driver for the > Multimaster series, which includes the bt-958d. Hence support seems to be > just fine to me. should make performance even better with multiple disks and/etc. (I haven't tried it). My only complaint about the BT-9xx series is that they are kind of pricey - the reason I would tend to go with the Symbios-based boards is that they are usually cheaper. Granted, I don't have differential drivers or controller, so, I can't verify that that the -D version has no problems, but, I fail to see why trouble would be more likely than usual with the BT-958D. Anybody out there using the BT-958D? Any trouble? -- Hugh LaMaster, M/S 233-21, ASCII Email: hlamaster@mail.arc.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center Or: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 No Junkmail: USC 18 section 2701 Phone: 650/604-1056 Disclaimer: Unofficial, personal *opinion*. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 21 19:47:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08541 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 21 May 1998 19:47:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from poseidon.hamsterville.ultranet.com (poseidon.hamsterville.ultranet.com [209.6.79.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08523 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 19:47:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@hamsterville.ultranet.com) Received: from duracell (dyn1.hamsterville.ultranet.com [209.6.79.22]) by poseidon.hamsterville.ultranet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA25506 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 22:47:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ben@hamsterville.ultranet.com) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980521224636.008df420@poseidon.hamsterville.ultranet.com> X-Sender: ben@poseidon.hamsterville.ultranet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 22:46:36 -0400 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Ben Goodwin Subject: Seeking hardware recommendations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have been tasked with putting together a FreeBSD box that'll be used as something to attach remote Xservers to (and thus will run plenty of logins, shells, and various programs). I'd like to put together a robust and quick system. What I'm looking for are recommendations on: PCI SCSI card Doesn't need to be blazingly fast; scsi-3 is fine PCI ethernet card Some 100-meg card that works well and efficiently Video card Cheaper card; won't be used much Motherboard Not sure how much say I'll have here but.. ~P2-300 I'll be running 226R on this system. TIA for your suggestions! -= Ben To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 21 21:46:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA29795 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 21 May 1998 21:46:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mooseriver.com (dynamic11.pm06.sf3d.best.com [209.24.235.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA29736 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 21:46:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id VAA29933; Thu, 21 May 1998 21:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980521214608.A29917@mooseriver.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 21:46:08 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: Ben Goodwin , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Seeking hardware recommendations Reply-To: jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com References: <3.0.5.32.19980521224636.008df420@poseidon.hamsterville.ultranet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980521224636.008df420@poseidon.hamsterville.ultranet.com>; from Ben Goodwin on Thu, May 21, 1998 at 10:46:36PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 10:46:36PM -0400, Ben Goodwin wrote: > I have been tasked with putting together a FreeBSD box that'll be used as > something to attach remote Xservers to (and thus will run plenty of logins, > shells, and various programs). I'd like to put together a robust and quick > system. What I'm looking for are recommendations on: > > PCI SCSI card Doesn't need to be blazingly fast; scsi-3 is fine Adaptec 2940UW > PCI ethernet card Some 100-meg card that works well and efficiently Bay Networks Netgear FA310tx -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.7 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 21 23:26:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA18329 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 21 May 1998 23:26:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA17941 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 23:25:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0ycklW-0004kA-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 22:53:14 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 22:53:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Josef Grosch cc: Ben Goodwin , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Seeking hardware recommendations In-Reply-To: <19980521214608.A29917@mooseriver.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 21 May 1998, Josef Grosch wrote: > On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 10:46:36PM -0400, Ben Goodwin wrote: > > I have been tasked with putting together a FreeBSD box that'll be used as > > something to attach remote Xservers to (and thus will run plenty of logins, > > shells, and various programs). I'd like to put together a robust and quick > > system. What I'm looking for are recommendations on: > > > > PCI SCSI card Doesn't need to be blazingly fast; scsi-3 is fine > > Adaptec 2940UW Maybe when CAM comes to 2.2.x. For now, you'd probably be better off with a NCR 875. > > PCI ethernet card Some 100-meg card that works well and efficiently > > Bay Networks Netgear FA310tx Ugh. Yet another DEC chipset. The Intel Etherexpress Pro100B is a bit faster, and uses less CPU (about 15% I believe). > -- > Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.7 2.2.7? What planet are you from? > jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 22 06:37:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20915 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 22 May 1998 06:37:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mooseriver.com (dynamic11.pm06.sf3d.best.com [209.24.235.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20901 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 06:37:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id GAA04326; Fri, 22 May 1998 06:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980522063715.A4298@mooseriver.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 06:37:15 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Seeking hardware recommendations Reply-To: jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 10:53:13PM -0700, Tom wrote: > > On Thu, 21 May 1998, Josef Grosch wrote: > [ DELETE ] > > Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.7 > > 2.2.7? What planet are you from? > New York, Greenwich Village. 2.2.7 is a joke. You remember jokes, don't you? Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.7 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 22 09:02:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13174 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 22 May 1998 09:02:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gw1.asacomputers.com (root@gw1.asacomputers.com [204.69.220.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13160 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 09:02:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kedar@asacomputers.com) Received: by gw1.asacomputers.com id JAA28418; Fri, 22 May 1998 09:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980522155749.013c8558@gw1> X-Sender: rajadnya@gw1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 08:57:49 -0700 To: Ben Goodwin From: Kedar Rajadnya Subject: Re: Seeking hardware recommendations Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Hope this helps: >PCI SCSI card Doesn't need to be blazingly fast; scsi-3 is >fine The NCR 875 would be a good choice. Adaptec 2940W works very well, barring unforseen BIOS changes. >PCI ethernet card Some 100-meg card that works well and >efficiently Intel EtherExpress. >Video card Cheaper card; won't be used much Something inexpensive based on an S3 chip would be good. Alternative, Trident. >Motherboard Not sure how much say I'll have here but.. ~P2-300 The ABIT LX6 or the Tyan 1692, I would think. Unless you prefer a board that would go beyond PII333, in which case you would need a BX chip board like the ABIT BX6. Kedar. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 22 11:30:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14076 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 22 May 1998 11:30:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from woozle.rinet.ru (marck@woozle.rinet.ru [195.54.192.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14052 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 11:30:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Received: from localhost (marck@localhost) by woozle.rinet.ru (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA23910 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 22:30:18 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) X-Authentication-Warning: woozle.rinet.ru: marck owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 22:30:17 +0400 (MSD) From: Dmitry Morozovsky To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 2.2.6-R and 3.5" 640M od Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello there, dear netizens. Have anyone successful usage of 640M od disks? The problem locates in 2K sector size. Disklabel does not work neither via disklabel -Brw od0 auto nor fdisk od0 disklabel -r -e od0s4 Please cc your answers to my mail address. Thanx for cooperation and happy BSDing! Sincerely, D.Marck ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** Dmitry Morozovsky --- D.Marck --- Wild Woozle --- marck@rinet.ru *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 22 12:22:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA25844 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:22:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from george.arc.nasa.gov (george.arc.nasa.gov [128.102.194.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25815 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:22:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov) Received: from localhost (lamaster@localhost) by george.arc.nasa.gov (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA22981 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:22:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh LaMaster To: FreeBSD Hardware Subject: Re: Seeking hardware recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 21 May 1998, Tom wrote: > On Thu, 21 May 1998, Josef Grosch wrote: > > On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 10:46:36PM -0400, Ben Goodwin wrote: > > > system. What I'm looking for are recommendations on: > > > PCI ethernet card Some 100-meg card that works well and efficiently > > > > Bay Networks Netgear FA310tx > > Ugh. Yet another DEC chipset. The Intel Etherexpress Pro100B is a bit > faster, and uses less CPU (about 15% I believe). The DEC chipset cards are among the most widely supported/ available, and, they are also a good choice for multicast, and there are some nice, low-cost versions out there, too. [Yes, they don't have optimal alignment for copying and people on these groups report 10-15% more CPU usage at the same data rate. Nothing to merit an "Ugh", IMHO. Both chipsets could be improved to adopt each other's advantages.] -- Hugh LaMaster, M/S 233-21, ASCII Email: hlamaster@mail.arc.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center Or: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 No Junkmail: USC 18 section 2701 Phone: 650/604-1056 Disclaimer: Unofficial, personal *opinion*. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 22 12:36:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29339 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:36:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.bigi.com (www.BigI.com [204.132.121.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29265 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:36:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bob@cs.colorado.edu) Received: from calypso.bigi.com (dial.BigI.com [204.132.121.35]) by www.bigi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA06411; Fri, 22 May 1998 13:36:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from calypso (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by calypso.bigi.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07993; Fri, 22 May 1998 13:36:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199805221936.NAA07993@calypso.bigi.com> From: Bob Gray To: Ben Goodwin cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Seeking hardware recommendations In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 21 May 1998 22:46:36 MDT." Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:36:03 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm writing a column for USENIX's ";login:" magazine on Source Code UNIX for PCs. The issue due out in early June is dedicated to selecting hardware. For an online version of the article, see: www.boulderlabs.com/hardware.html -bob gray bob@boulderlabs.com Ben Goodwin Thu, 21 May 1998 22:46:36 MDT says: >I have been tasked with putting together a FreeBSD box that'll be used as >something to attach remote Xservers to (and thus will run plenty of logins, >shells, and various programs). I'd like to put together a robust and quick >system. What I'm looking for are recommendations on: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 22 17:27:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA26901 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 22 May 1998 17:27:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [206.127.225.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA26871 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 17:27:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard@pegasus.com) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id OAA15093; Fri, 22 May 1998 14:27:20 -1000 Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:27:20 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199805230027.OAA15093@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Hugh LaMaster "Re: Seeking hardware recommendations" (May 22, 12:22pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Seeking hardware recommendations Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org } > > Bay Networks Netgear FA310tx } > } > Ugh. Yet another DEC chipset. The Intel Etherexpress Pro100B is a bit } > faster, and uses less CPU (about 15% I believe). } } The DEC chipset cards are among the most widely supported/ } available, and, they are also a good choice for multicast, } and there are some nice, low-cost versions out there, too. } } [Yes, they don't have optimal alignment for copying and people } on these groups report 10-15% more CPU usage at the same } data rate. Nothing to merit an "Ugh", IMHO. Both chipsets } could be improved to adopt each other's advantages.] } Sounds like an `Ugh' to me. They're both available at low prices aren't they? Speed and efficiency for a network interface is usually important. Richard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 22 18:03:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02971 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 22 May 1998 18:03:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA02877 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 18:02:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yd2DS-0005Zo-00; Fri, 22 May 1998 17:31:14 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 17:31:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Hugh LaMaster cc: FreeBSD Hardware Subject: Re: Seeking hardware recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 22 May 1998, Hugh LaMaster wrote: > > On Thu, 21 May 1998, Tom wrote: > > > On Thu, 21 May 1998, Josef Grosch wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 10:46:36PM -0400, Ben Goodwin wrote: > > > > > system. What I'm looking for are recommendations on: > > > > > PCI ethernet card Some 100-meg card that works well and efficiently > > > > > > Bay Networks Netgear FA310tx > > > > Ugh. Yet another DEC chipset. The Intel Etherexpress Pro100B is a bit > > faster, and uses less CPU (about 15% I believe). > > The DEC chipset cards are among the most widely supported/ > available, and, they are also a good choice for multicast, > and there are some nice, low-cost versions out there, too. The DEC chipsets are not that well supported. The media detection is problematic. There are many variances from model to model (at least a half a dozen different chipset versions). Ugh... Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 22 20:10:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21176 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 22 May 1998 20:10:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (root@alex-va-n008c243.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA21164 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 20:10:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA22035; Fri, 22 May 1998 23:10:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) To: Tom cc: Hugh LaMaster , FreeBSD Hardware From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Seeking hardware recommendations In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 22 May 1998 17:31:12 PDT." Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 23:10:27 -0400 Message-ID: <22031.895893027@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tom wrote in message ID : > The DEC chipsets are not that well supported. The media detection is > problematic. There are many variances from model to model (at least a > half a dozen different chipset versions). Ugh... The real problem is that there are a number of `general purpose' pins on the 21x4x series that Digital didn't assign use for. Each manufacturer of cards based on the DEC chipset uses them for different things, like programming media selections. This is where the real problem arrises... Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 22 20:22:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA22181 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 22 May 1998 20:22:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.communique.no (www.communique.no [193.212.204.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA22168 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 20:22:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from are@communique.no) Received: (qmail 1677 invoked by uid 1001); 23 May 1998 03:28:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 05:28:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Are Bryne X-Sender: are@rune.communique.no To: FreeBSD questions list , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Cyrix 5x86 and kernel "cpu" setting Message-ID: Organization: Communique DA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [* crossposted - please remove any wrong list address *] [Please keep are.bryne@communique.no cc'd] Hello, Is the correct setting for the Cyrix 5x86 'cpu "I486_CPU"'? Would performance be better with I586_CPU? Or would that not work? The LINT leaves me a little bit confused as to whether there are any options for cpu features (for the 5x86) that can be used reliably... Anything I should know about? TIA, Regards Are Bryne To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 22 21:42:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA29550 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 22 May 1998 21:42:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (winter@sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA29545 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 21:42:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA19962; Sat, 23 May 1998 00:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 00:41:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Tom cc: Hugh LaMaster , FreeBSD Hardware Subject: Re: Seeking hardware recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 22 May 1998, Tom wrote: > The DEC chipsets are not that well supported. The media detection is > problematic. There are many variances from model to model (at least a > half a dozen different chipset versions). Ugh... The failure to auto detect is caused by lack of specific support for PHY specific detection routines. NetBSD appears to be taking steps to deal with this by creating PHY specific 'drivers' that attach to an MII 'bus'. This moves MII code out of the individual driver and potentially reduces code duplication (in the case where several cards share a number of PHYs) I've spoken with Bill Paul about this and while we both agreed that this would be a good thing, neither he or I have the time to do the work. (He's got more interesting (for some value of) projects and I'm stuck in the dark ages without any ethernet devices that support MII PHYs (mostly due to my lack of PCI based systems at home.)) As a large number of available PHYs on the market (TI, National Semi, Level One, PLX etc.) have full datasheets available doing the MII specific code should be somewhat straight-forward. Check out sys/dev/mii for NetBSD's code. /* Matthew N. Dodd | A memory retaining a love you had for life winter@jurai.net | As cruel as it seems nothing ever seems to http://www.jurai.net/~winter | go right - FLA M 3.1:53 */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 23 16:12:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19570 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 23 May 1998 16:12:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19493 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 16:12:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tim@shell.futuresouth.com) Received: (from tim@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10347; Sat, 23 May 1998 18:12:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19980523181226.29408@futuresouth.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 18:12:26 -0500 From: Tim Tsai To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: micronics PPro motherboards? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just want to check if anybody has experience with Micronics PPro motherboards, specifically M8SFin-001 with Phoenix BIOS. We're about to get a few of these and just wanted to make sure it works well with FreeBSD. Thanks! Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 23 21:54:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08589 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 23 May 1998 21:54:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles167.castles.com [208.214.165.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA08584 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 21:54:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03782; Sat, 23 May 1998 20:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805240334.UAA03782@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Tim Tsai cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: micronics PPro motherboards? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 23 May 1998 18:12:26 CDT." <19980523181226.29408@futuresouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 20:34:15 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Just want to check if anybody has experience with Micronics PPro > motherboards, specifically M8SFin-001 with Phoenix BIOS. We're about to > get a few of these and just wanted to make sure it works well with > FreeBSD. If this is the 'Invader ATX', then yes, they seem to work OK. Bear in mind that the board only takes EDO DIMMs, not SDRAM ones. You may have to hunt a little harder for these. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 23 22:48:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA15285 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 23 May 1998 22:48:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from quokka.prth.tensor.pgs.com (quokka1.prth.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.224.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15272 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 22:48:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shocking@ariadne.prth.tensor.pgs.com) Received: from ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (ariadne [157.147.227.36]) by quokka.prth.tensor.pgs.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA29837 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 13:47:46 +0800 (WST) Received: from ariadne by ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA14551; Sun, 24 May 1998 13:47:39 +0800 Message-Id: <199805240547.NAA14551@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Using ECC DIMMS in a non-ECC MB Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 13:47:39 +0800 From: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is this possible? I'm -planning on upgrading to an Apollo based chipset MB sometime soon, which handles ECC DIMMS. I'd like to buy the memory beforehand and use it in this VX clunker I currently have. Stephen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 23 23:39:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA22591 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 23 May 1998 23:39:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles167.castles.com [208.214.165.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA22586 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 23:39:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04573; Sat, 23 May 1998 22:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805240535.WAA04573@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Using ECC DIMMS in a non-ECC MB In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 24 May 1998 13:47:39 +0800." <199805240547.NAA14551@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 22:35:07 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Is this possible? I'm -planning on upgrading to an Apollo based chipset MB > sometime soon, which handles ECC DIMMS. I'd like to buy the memory beforehand > and use it in this VX clunker I currently have. If the pins ain't connected, nothing gonna bother about them. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message