From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 13 03:58:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA20483 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 03:58:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA20421; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 03:58:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 03:58:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812131158.DAA20421@hub.freebsd.org> From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: jim@cgi.sstar.com Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199812112343.RAA15525@cgi.sstar.com> (message from Jim King on Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:43:59 -0600 (CST)) Subject: Re: Hint benchmark on Multia VX40A References: <199812112343.RAA15525@cgi.sstar.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks to Andrew Gallatin for running the Hint benchmarks on a Digital (DEC now Compaq) Alpha Multia VX40A. integer performance is nearly the same as an AMD Am5x86-133. that places it just a tad slower than a Pentium 90 until the dataset size reaches about 12kB (then the p90 falls out of cache). at that point the p90 the am5x86-133 and hte multia are identical till 250kB when the am5x86-133 starts lagging behind the other two. double performance is half way between a Pentium 90 and a PentiumPro 150. conclusions: if you have TrueParity (9bit) memory to spare or dont mind playing three times the price of common memory AND you have a lot of floating point work to do, the multias may be a good fit. as a general purpose computer, they are woefully underpowered. jmb ps. hopefully that creates a record in the mailing lists that will help anyone using the search engine to find out about multias. ;) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 13 06:03:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA01670 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 06:03:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from maild.telia.com (maild.telia.com [194.22.190.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01652 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 06:03:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from s.lindgren@telia.com) Received: from d1o49.telia.com (root@d1o49.telia.com [195.198.194.241]) by maild.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08028 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:03:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from prutten (t2o49p21.telia.com [195.198.194.81]) by d1o49.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA25249 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:03:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000e01be26a2$342d6420$51c2c6c3@prutten> Reply-To: "Stefan Lindgren" From: "Stefan Lindgren" To: Subject: A nice notebook... Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:09:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id GAA01660 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello L & G. Could someone experienced please give me input so I can choose a notebook for FreeBSD? (Brand, advantages, disadvantages e t c. Also, if I could order it on the net, that would be great) Thanks in advance Stefan s.lindgren@telia.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 13 09:40:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA20192 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:40:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA20186; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:40:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA14071; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:40:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA17863; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:40:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:40:42 -0500 (EST) To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: jim@cgi.sstar.com, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hint benchmark on Multia VX40A In-Reply-To: <199812131158.DAA20421@hub.freebsd.org> References: <199812112343.RAA15525@cgi.sstar.com> <199812131158.DAA20421@hub.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13939.64306.568854.66434@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jonathan M. Bresler writes: > > Thanks to Andrew Gallatin for running the Hint benchmarks on a Digital > (DEC now Compaq) Alpha Multia VX40A. Actually, the results were from Hint run on an AlphaStation 200 4/166, not a Multia. I guess I didn't make that as clear as I should have. The AlphaStation should be a bit faster than a Multia. > integer performance is nearly the same as an AMD Am5x86-133. that > places it just a tad slower than a Pentium 90 until the dataset size > reaches about 12kB (then the p90 falls out of cache). at that point > the p90 the am5x86-133 and hte multia are identical till 250kB when > the am5x86-133 starts lagging behind the other two. > > double performance is half way between a Pentium 90 and a PentiumPro > 150. > Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 13 15:41:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26165 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:41:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26159 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:41:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id QAA27455; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:40:58 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981213163548.06cd3450@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:40:44 -0700 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm looking for some good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards which are supported by drivers included with FreeBSD. Unfortunately, the ones listed in the "Readme" are "name brands" -- and are going for $80-100 instead of the $20 that most people seem to be paying for Ethernet NICs for WinDoze. For example, the Netgear FA310TX is priced in the mid-$20's and comes from a reputable company, but I can't tell if it will work. Does anyone have a handle on a good, inexpensive brand that's known to be compatible? I'll need a few 32-bit PCI units and one or two for ISA, so I'm interested in recommendations for both. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 13 15:44:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26576 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:44:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from home.dragondata.com (home.dragondata.com [204.137.237.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26570 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:44:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toasty@home.dragondata.com) Received: (from toasty@localhost) by home.dragondata.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id RAA02348; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:44:04 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Day Message-Id: <199812132344.RAA02348@home.dragondata.com> Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981213163548.06cd3450@mail.lariat.org> from Brett Glass at "Dec 13, 1998 4:40:44 pm" To: brett@lariat.org (Brett Glass) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:44:03 -0600 (CST) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm looking for some good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards which are > supported by drivers included with FreeBSD. Unfortunately, the ones listed > in the "Readme" are "name brands" -- and are going for $80-100 instead of > the $20 that most people seem to be paying for Ethernet NICs for WinDoze. > For example, the Netgear FA310TX is priced in the mid-$20's and comes from > a reputable company, but I can't tell if it will work. The NetGear FA310TX works great in 2.2.x systems, but will occasionally panic in 3.0 with a page fault in kernel mode. I have about 20 of these cards that work great in 2.2 though. Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 13 16:21:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02779 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:21:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02771 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:21:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id RAA27717; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:20:53 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981213171450.06fe0b90@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:20:10 -0700 To: Kevin Day From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199812132344.RAA02348@home.dragondata.com> References: <4.1.19981213163548.06cd3450@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 05:44 PM 12/13/98 -0600, Kevin Day wrote: >The NetGear FA310TX works great in 2.2.x systems, but will occasionally >panic in 3.0 with a page fault in kernel mode. Searching the mailing lists, I've found messages indicating that NetGear recently switched chipsets on this card. Accordiing to those messages, the old ones work but the new ones do not. Ditto for LinkSys cards. Rather than play mail order roulette, I'm looking for something that's likely to work for sure! Does anyone know if the D-Link DFE-530TX works under FreeBSD? --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 13 18:58:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17065 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:58:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shadow.spel.com (elevator.cablenet-va.com [208.206.84.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17059 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:58:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mturpin@shadow.spel.com) Received: from localhost (mturpin@localhost) by shadow.spel.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA12996; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:02:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:02:52 -0500 (EST) From: Mark turpin Reply-To: Mark turpin To: Brett Glass cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981213163548.06cd3450@mail.lariat.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 13 Dec 1998, Brett Glass wrote: > I'm looking for some good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards which are > supported by drivers included with FreeBSD. Unfortunately, the ones listed > in the "Readme" are "name brands" -- and are going for $80-100 instead of > the $20 that most people seem to be paying for Ethernet NICs for WinDoze. > For example, the Netgear FA310TX is priced in the mid-$20's and comes from > a reputable company, but I can't tell if it will work. > > Does anyone have a handle on a good, inexpensive brand that's known to be > compatible? I'll need a few 32-bit PCI units and one or two for ISA, so I'm > interested in recommendations for both. > RealTek 8139 based card. They are 10/100Mbps PCI, work with FreeBSD (rl0 driver), and you can get them for $15-$20. I have about 20 of them. Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Turpin | Consulting - Training - Network Installation Systems Engineer | Main Street Technology Centre | http://www.MainStreetTech.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 13 19:18:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA18782 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:18:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from quark.ChrisBowman.com (crbowman.erols.com [209.122.47.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA18777 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:18:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crb@ChrisBowman.com) Received: from fermion (fermion [10.0.1.2]) by quark.ChrisBowman.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA15437; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:30:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from crb@ChrisBowman.com) Message-Id: <199812140330.WAA15437@quark.ChrisBowman.com> X-Sender: crb@quark X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:16:40 -0500 To: Brett Glass From: "Christopher R. Bowman" Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981213163548.06cd3450@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 04:40 PM 12/13/98 -0700, Brett Glass wrote: >I'm looking for some good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards which are >supported by drivers included with FreeBSD. Unfortunately, the ones listed >in the "Readme" are "name brands" -- and are going for $80-100 instead of >the $20 that most people seem to be paying for Ethernet NICs for WinDoze. >For example, the Netgear FA310TX is priced in the mid-$20's and comes from >a reputable company, but I can't tell if it will work. > >Does anyone have a handle on a good, inexpensive brand that's known to be >compatible? I'll need a few 32-bit PCI units and one or two for ISA, so I'm >interested in recommendations for both. > >--Brett Well in between the two price you can get the Intel EtherExpress 100+ (Intel i82558 based) card which I really like for $45 at http://www.dynastyexpress.com -------- Christopher R. Bowman crb@ChrisBowman.com http://www.ChrisBowman.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 13 20:40:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA24380 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:40:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA24375 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:40:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id VAA29687; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:40:06 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981213213921.06cda260@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:40:01 -0700 To: Mark turpin From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19981213163548.06cd3450@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:02 PM 12/13/98 -0500, Mark turpin wrote: > RealTek 8139 based card. They are 10/100Mbps PCI, work with >FreeBSD (rl0 driver), and you can get them for $15-$20. I have about >20 of them. Sounds great! Can you tell me the makes and models of some NICs based on this chip? --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 13 22:33:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07639 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:33:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA07531 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:32:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id WAA18259; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:31:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com( 207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018255; Sun, 13 Dec 98 22:31:45 -0800 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id WAA06172; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:31:44 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199812140631.WAA06172@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: A nice notebook... In-Reply-To: <000e01be26a2$342d6420$51c2c6c3@prutten> from Stefan Lindgren at "Dec 13, 98 03:09:22 pm" To: s.lindgren@telia.com Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:31:44 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Stefan Lindgren writes: > Could someone experienced please give me input so I can choose a notebook for FreeBSD? > (Brand, advantages, disadvantages e t c. Also, if I could order it on the net, that would be great) I like the Chembook I use.. http://www.chembook.chemusa.com/chembook/1100/110minfo.html -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 14 00:07:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA20765 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:07:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA20750 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:07:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbsd@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost.StevesCafe.com [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA11374; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:14:01 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812140814.BAA11374@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 From: Steve Passe To: Archie Cobbs cc: s.lindgren@telia.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A nice notebook... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:31:44 PST." <199812140631.WAA06172@bubba.whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:14:00 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, > Stefan Lindgren writes: > > Could someone experienced please give me input so I can choose a notebook for FreeBSD? > > (Brand, advantages, disadvantages e t c. Also, if I could order it on the net, that would be great) > > I like the Chembook I use.. > > http://www.chembook.chemusa.com/chembook/1100/110minfo.html Do you have the 12" or 14" display? What version of X11, and at what resolution, do you use? -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 14 00:46:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA26788 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:46:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA26781 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:46:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id AAA19816; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:45:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com( 207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019812; Mon, 14 Dec 98 00:45:45 -0800 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id AAA07606; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:45:45 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199812140845.AAA07606@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: A nice notebook... In-Reply-To: <199812140814.BAA11374@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> from Steve Passe at "Dec 14, 98 01:14:00 am" To: smp@csn.net (Steve Passe) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:45:45 -0800 (PST) Cc: s.lindgren@telia.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Steve Passe writes: > > > Could someone experienced please give me input so I can choose a notebook for FreeBSD? > > > (Brand, advantages, disadvantages e t c. Also, if I could order it on the net, that would be great) > > > > I like the Chembook I use.. > > > > http://www.chembook.chemusa.com/chembook/1100/110minfo.html > > Do you have the 12" or 14" display? > What version of X11, and at what resolution, do you use? I have the 14" display, at (I think) 1024x768.. it's a fixed resolution, of course (you can check the specs for this laptop and it probably says for sure what the resolution is). Also forgot to mention that the PCI sound chip is not currently supported by FreeBSD yet, so that's a downside. I use X3.3.2. You need a special line added to XF86Config for it to work.. I'm pretty sure this bug is fixed in X3.3.3. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 14 03:05:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA10324 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 03:05:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA10308 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 03:05:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from schofiel@xs4all.nl) Received: from xs1.xs4all.nl (root@xs1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.42]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05753 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:05:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from excelsior (enterprise.xs4all.nl [194.109.14.215]) by xs1.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA00796 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:05:16 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3674FEF2.732C@xs4all.nl> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:05:06 +0000 From: Rob Schofield Reply-To: schofiel@xs4all.nl Organization: Knights of the Round Table Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free BSD Hardware list Subject: Re: sane sound cards? References: <199812120145.PAA10540@pegasus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Richard Foulk wrote: > You can't DMA a megabyte buffer full of data to a card that doesn't have > any place to put it. So a five minute song is going to take roughly > 100,000 separate DMA transfers. That's 100,000 chances for another > process to keep the CPU busy long enough for the sound card to run out > of data. 64 bytes is only a few milliseconds of play time. Unacceptable. You are, or course, perfectly correct here in what you say, but your problem is basically that the market the card designers of these cards are aiming at are primarily single-thread, single user (win/mac). It is only a recent "innovation" that they have moved from ISA bus designs (in 1998!! My Grief!!) to PCI; they are unlikely to make the even greater step of sophistication of process-locked on board buffering for a decent OS. The closest idea I can think of even similar to what you want is the "Speed Variation Buffer" RAM buffer in the second and third generation CD-players produced by Philips years ago where the symbol delivery rate from the disk reader could vary with the rotational speed of the disk (which may have tilted, counter rotated, etc.). This effectively became a FIFO that was clocked out at a controlled rate by the supervising processor for the D/A stages, effectively soaking up the speed variation in the mechanics. I doubt you'll see this on a sound cad, because it costs money; the designers realise that it is cheaper to use off-board RAM that has already been paid for by someone else, and use the OS to provide the "buffer" in software. Low budget, for a low-budget market. This does tend to imply that there would be a good professional market for a company prepared to ivest in a design with a large on-board buffer RAM for the sound data stream, rather than just for symbol tables. Hmmm.... now if I dig out my 'scope and dust off my logic analyser maybe I can ..... Rob Schofield -- The Ninety-Ninety Rule of Project Scheduling: The first ninety percent of the job takes ninety percent of the allotted time, the last ten percent takes the other ninety percent. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 14 10:28:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22366 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:28:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shadow.spel.com (elevator.cablenet-va.com [208.206.84.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22309 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:28:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mturpin@shadow.spel.com) Received: from localhost (mturpin@localhost) by shadow.spel.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA14807; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:32:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:32:33 -0500 (EST) From: Mark turpin Reply-To: Mark turpin To: jt&mn , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG cc: brett@lariat.org Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, jt&mn wrote: > > > Hi Mark, > > Where can you get these cards ? > > Appreciate your help. > I got them at a local computer show(www.marketpro.com). Look at www.freebsd.org/~wpaul/RealTek/ for a list of boards based on this chipset. I've been getting them at a local computer show (www.marketpro.com). I know cables n' mor has them for $34, but I've been getting them for about $19. I would suggest looking on pricewatch or shopper.com for the best price. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Turpin | Consulting - Training - Network Installation Systems Engineer | Main Street Technology Centre | http://www.MainStreetTech.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 14 10:39:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23716 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:39:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skylink.skylink.net (skylink.skylink.net [206.25.34.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23708 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:39:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lattlist@skylink.net) Received: from billing2 (temp.lan.las-vegas.nv.skylink.net [206.25.34.90]) by skylink.skylink.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA07190; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:38:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003d01be2791$45431d00$5a2219ce@billing2.skylink.net> From: "lattlist" To: Cc: "animal" Subject: Intel 8/16 Lan adapter Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:40:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01BE274E.36ED5B50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BE274E.36ED5B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have an old Intel 8/16 Lan Adapter ISA, and the stable 2.2.8 will=20 not probe it is this not supported anymore or have i gone wrong = somewhere. 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I have an old Intel 8/16 Lan Adapter ISA, and the = stable 2.2.8=20 will
not probe it is this not supported anymore or have i = gone=20 wrong somewhere.
 
Thank You,
Lattamore Osburn.
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BE274E.36ED5B50-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 14 10:44:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24423 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:44:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24417 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:44:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id LAA05955; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:44:25 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981214114218.06ce3d90@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:44:13 -0700 To: Mark turpin , jt&mn , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:32 PM 12/14/98 -0500, Mark turpin wrote: > I got them at a local computer show(www.marketpro.com). Look at >www.freebsd.org/~wpaul/RealTek/ for a list of boards based on this >chipset. I've been getting them at a local computer show >(www.marketpro.com). I know cables n' mor has them for $34, but I've >been getting them for about $19. I would suggest looking on pricewatch or >shopper.com for the best price. I've found the GENIUS board cheap at warehouse.com. BTW, is the driver shipping with FreeBSD 2.2.8? Or do I need to add it? Also, how much overhead is there? Does the board use programmed I/O, DMA, or shared memory? --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 14 11:41:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01316 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:41:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from email.az.honeywell.com (email.AZ.Honeywell.COM [129.239.31.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01290 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:41:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chemtechweb@psn.net) From: chemtechweb@psn.net Received: from psn.net (cx103047.cas.honeywell.com) by EMAIL.AZ.HONEYWELL.COM (PMDF V5.1-10 #25738) with ESMTP id <01J5BTUGGUI800G2JU@EMAIL.AZ.HONEYWELL.COM> for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:41:08 MST Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:45:41 -0700 Subject: NIC on the motherboard To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: chemtechweb@psn.net Message-id: <36756AE5.28A21F6D@psn.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm looking at purchasing a Dell Dimension V computer for FreeBSD. Most of the rest of the hardware seems pretty compatible enough to work with all of FreeBSD, including XFree86. The hardware I have some doubts about are the NIC and the modem. The NIC is on the motherboard, and is an Intel 10/100 controller (I know that their cards are generally well supported, but I don't know what happens when it's onboard). Also, since the rest of my local network is 10Mbps including the HUB, I'd run it strictly at 10. The other piece of hardware I'm unsure of is a 3Com USR v.90 modem (not a winmodem) "for no sound". All I need it for is to connect to my ISP. If anyone knows of any pitfalls, or success stories, with either of these two pieces of hardware, please let me know! Also, I'm not subscribed to the list yet (will do it soon though, just haven't found the time to set everything the way I want it...) so please reply to all when answering :) TIA Manu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 14 12:16:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05853 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:16:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05840; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:16:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rcp@ccs.neu.edu) Received: from denali.ccs.neu.edu (rcp@denali.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.200]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA23394; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:16:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:16:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert C. Pacheco" To: config@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Iomega Zip Drives Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can someone help me configure and use an Iomega Parallel Port Zip Drive? --Rob. rcp@ccs.neu.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 14 15:53:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03178 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:53:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shadow.spel.com (elevator.cablenet-va.com [208.206.84.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03172 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:53:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mturpin@shadow.spel.com) Received: from localhost (mturpin@localhost) by shadow.spel.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA15480; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:57:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:57:31 -0500 (EST) From: Mark turpin To: Brett Glass cc: jt&mn , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981214114218.06ce3d90@mail.lariat.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, Brett Glass wrote: > I've found the GENIUS board cheap at warehouse.com. BTW, is the driver > shipping with FreeBSD 2.2.8? Or do I need to add it? Also, how much > overhead is there? Does the board use programmed I/O, DMA, or shared > memory? > I don't think that the driver is in 2.2.8, you can get it from www.freebsd.org/~wpaul/RealTek You'll want to read the comments in the if_rl.c file for some idea of performance. They work great for me, I run a computer training center. Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Turpin | Consulting - Training - Network Installation Systems Engineer | Main Street Technology Centre | http://www.MainStreetTech.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 14 16:03:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05233 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:03:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05209 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:03:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id RAA09148; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:03:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981214170125.04700f10@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:03:14 -0700 To: Mark turpin From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? Cc: jt&mn , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19981214114218.06ce3d90@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 06:57 PM 12/14/98 -0500, Mark turpin wrote: > You'll want to read the comments in the if_rl.c file for some idea >of performance. If the buffering is as bad as you describe, I'm surprised that the cards work well at all due to limited buffer RAM and lots of copies into and out of kernel memory. >They work great for me, I run a computer training center. Given your description of the chip, I'm amazed! --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 14 17:24:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA15076 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:24:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (goldfish.pht.co.jp [210.171.55.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15071 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:24:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01346; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:22:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199812150122.RAA01346@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Brett Glass cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:40:44 MST." <4.1.19981213163548.06cd3450@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:22:38 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm looking for some good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards which are > supported by drivers included with FreeBSD. Unfortunately, the ones listed > in the "Readme" are "name brands" -- and are going for $80-100 instead of > the $20 that most people seem to be paying for Ethernet NICs for WinDoze. > For example, the Netgear FA310TX is priced in the mid-$20's and comes from > a reputable company, but I can't tell if it will work. It will. You generally need to actually look at the adapter to tell; there are just too many "noname" cards that are based on supported chipsets to try offering you brand names. > Does anyone have a handle on a good, inexpensive brand that's known to be > compatible? There is no such animal; most of the "inexpensive" brands are ephemeral, and those that aren't tend to change the actual hardware they use at the drop of a hat. You should always buy based on the chipset. > I'll need a few 32-bit PCI units and one or two for ISA, so I'm > interested in recommendations for both. The Netgear unit you've mentioned will work OK (it's a 'de' card), and just about any "NE2000-compatible" ISA card will be fine. If possible, get one with jumpers rather than a setup program... -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 14 17:25:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA15145 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:25:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (goldfish.pht.co.jp [210.171.55.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15140 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:25:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01360; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:23:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199812150123.RAA01360@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Kevin Day cc: brett@lariat.org (Brett Glass), hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:44:03 CST." <199812132344.RAA02348@home.dragondata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:23:18 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I'm looking for some good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards which are > > supported by drivers included with FreeBSD. Unfortunately, the ones listed > > in the "Readme" are "name brands" -- and are going for $80-100 instead of > > the $20 that most people seem to be paying for Ethernet NICs for WinDoze. > > For example, the Netgear FA310TX is priced in the mid-$20's and comes from > > a reputable company, but I can't tell if it will work. > > > The NetGear FA310TX works great in 2.2.x systems, but will occasionally > panic in 3.0 with a page fault in kernel mode. This was a bug in the 'de' driver, which I seem to recall having been fixed. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 14 17:38:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16686 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:38:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16618 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:38:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id SAA10045; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:38:05 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981214183232.06e5ddc0@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:36:20 -0700 To: Mike Smith From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199812150122.RAA01346@dingo.cdrom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 05:22 PM 12/14/98 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >The Netgear unit you've mentioned will work OK (it's a 'de' card) Not anymore. They have a proprietary chipset now, and the ones that use the DEC chipset are gone. >just about any "NE2000-compatible" ISA card will be fine. If possible, >get one with jumpers rather than a setup program... Is there such a thing as an "NE2000-compatible" 100BaseT card? As far as I can tell, they're all 10BaseT and half duplex. (We currently have an NE1000 clone, believe it or not, in one of our servers. It works fine (it can outrun a T1, and that's the feed it's on), but it's due for an upgrade to handle increased traffic on the local LANs. Those LANs are going up to 100 Mbps, with switches, soon. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 14 18:13:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21470 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:13:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (goldfish.pht.co.jp [210.171.55.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21465 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:13:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01689; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:10:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199812150210.SAA01689@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Brett Glass cc: Mark turpin , jt&mn , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:44:13 MST." <4.1.19981214114218.06ce3d90@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:10:58 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > At 01:32 PM 12/14/98 -0500, Mark turpin wrote: > > > I got them at a local computer show(www.marketpro.com). Look at > >www.freebsd.org/~wpaul/RealTek/ for a list of boards based on this > >chipset. I've been getting them at a local computer show > >(www.marketpro.com). I know cables n' mor has them for $34, but I've > >been getting them for about $19. I would suggest looking on pricewatch or > >shopper.com for the best price. > > I've found the GENIUS board cheap at warehouse.com. BTW, is the driver > shipping with FreeBSD 2.2.8? Or do I need to add it? Also, how much > overhead is there? Does the board use programmed I/O, DMA, or shared > memory? You need the driver at www.freebsd.org/~wpaul. The Realtek chip is about the most inefficient of all of the 100Mbps chips we (will) support. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 14 18:34:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25855 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:34:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (goldfish.pht.co.jp [210.171.55.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25849 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:34:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01836; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:32:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199812150232.SAA01836@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Brett Glass cc: Mike Smith , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:36:20 MST." <4.1.19981214183232.06e5ddc0@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:32:06 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > At 05:22 PM 12/14/98 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > >The Netgear unit you've mentioned will work OK (it's a 'de' card) > > Not anymore. They have a proprietary chipset now, and the ones that > use the DEC chipset are gone. The new ones are supported by one of Bill Paul's drivers; check the collection... > >just about any "NE2000-compatible" ISA card will be fine. If possible, > >get one with jumpers rather than a setup program... > > Is there such a thing as an "NE2000-compatible" 100BaseT card? Not AFAIK. 100bT and ISA just don't get along, and the NE2000 programming model is such that you max out at about 10Mbps anyway. > As far > as I can tell, they're all 10BaseT and half duplex. (We currently > have an NE1000 clone, believe it or not, in one of our servers. > It works fine (it can outrun a T1, and that's the feed it's on), > but it's due for an upgrade to handle increased traffic on the local > LANs. Those LANs are going up to 100 Mbps, with switches, soon. Definitely go PCI then. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 14 22:06:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA17170 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:06:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA17164 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:06:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id XAA12391; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:05:47 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981214230041.06e35b80@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:02:01 -0700 To: Mike Smith From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? Cc: Mike Smith , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199812150232.SAA01836@dingo.cdrom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 06:32 PM 12/14/98 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >Definitely go PCI then. Only one of the 486es has PCI. The rest will have to be VLBus or ISA. The switches will adapt to 10 Mbps if we can't put 100 Mbps adapters in those machines, of course. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 15 05:39:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA28794 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:39:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from animaniacs.itribe.net (gatekeeper.itribe.net [209.49.144.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA28786 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:39:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jamie@itribe.net) Received: from localhost (jamie@localhost) by animaniacs.itribe.net (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id IAA24253; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:39:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:39:02 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Bowden To: Mike Smith cc: Brett Glass , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? In-Reply-To: <199812150232.SAA01836@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > Not AFAIK. 100bT and ISA just don't get along, and the NE2000 > programming model is such that you max out at about 10Mbps anyway. I have one 100mbit ISA card. It's got a chip with both HP and AT&T's logo on it. It has two rj-45 ports on it, one for 10mbit, one for 100mbit. The chip is labled : 100vg 1821-1400 9427s 5543540 I have no idea who made it, or where it came from, as it was here when I got here. I've never even put it in a machine to see how well it works, but it's kinda cool, as I had never seen a 100mbit ISA card before. Jamie Bowden -- Systems Administrator, iTRiBE.net If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 15 05:45:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29442 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:45:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (goldfish.pht.co.jp [210.171.55.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29437 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:45:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA05624; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:43:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199812151343.FAA05624@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Jamie Bowden cc: Mike Smith , Brett Glass , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:39:02 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:43:00 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > Not AFAIK. 100bT and ISA just don't get along, and the NE2000 > > programming model is such that you max out at about 10Mbps anyway. > > I have one 100mbit ISA card. It's got a chip with both HP and AT&T's logo > on it. It has two rj-45 ports on it, one for 10mbit, one for 100mbit. > The chip is labled : > > 100vg > 1821-1400 > 9427s 5543540 > > I have no idea who made it, or where it came from, as it was here when I > got here. I've never even put it in a machine to see how well it works, > but it's kinda cool, as I had never seen a 100mbit ISA card before. It's a 100VG-Anylan card, not a 100bT card. My point wasn't that 100Mbps ISA cards don't exist though, merely that the two don't get along. NatSemi make a 100Mbps chipset with an ISA interface, for example. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 15 05:49:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29673 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:49:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (goldfish.pht.co.jp [210.171.55.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29654; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:49:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA05665; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:47:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199812151347.FAA05665@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: nestorv@cybernet.com cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Driver for GI SB1000 SurfBoard (internal cable modem) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 01 Dec 1998 13:27:19 EST." <36643507.B24DFFF1@cybernet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:47:30 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have in my computer a General Instruments SB1000 SurfBoard cable > modem that came with W95 drivers. However, I am unable to use it with > my FreeBSD applications due to a lack of a driver. I did come across > the Linux driver at http://www.jacksonville.net/~fventuri however it > does not look that easy to adapt. Has anyone already done so or written > a separate one? Please advise. I don't know of any such thing, no. Looking at the driver, I am struck by several things, such as the fact that the card appears to be receive-only. You could probably hack something together using the information in this driver and an existing network driver to provide the template, but it would represent some interesting work (as the card isn't really an ethernet, and you don't want to ever talk out through it). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 15 08:59:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA20002 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:59:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA19980 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:59:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id JAA16932; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:59:16 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981215095742.06e2a490@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:58:41 -0700 To: Jamie Bowden , Mike Smith From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Good, cheap 100BaseT Ethernet cards? Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <199812150232.SAA01836@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That's 100BaseVG, an alternative 100 Mbps standard. It's better than 100BaseT when the LAN gets congested, but -- like Betamax -- did not win the standards war. --Brett At 08:39 AM 12/15/98 -0500, Jamie Bowden wrote: >On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > >> Not AFAIK. 100bT and ISA just don't get along, and the NE2000 >> programming model is such that you max out at about 10Mbps anyway. > >I have one 100mbit ISA card. It's got a chip with both HP and AT&T's logo >on it. It has two rj-45 ports on it, one for 10mbit, one for 100mbit. >The chip is labled : > >100vg >1821-1400 >9427s 5543540 > >I have no idea who made it, or where it came from, as it was here when I >got here. I've never even put it in a machine to see how well it works, >but it's kinda cool, as I had never seen a 100mbit ISA card before. > >Jamie Bowden > >-- >Systems Administrator, iTRiBE.net > >If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. > -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 15 12:49:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22970 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:49:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gw.caamora.com.au (jonath5.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.41.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22932; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:49:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jon@gw.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by gw.caamora.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25403; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:58:55 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Message-ID: <19981216075853.A25355@caamora.com.au> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:58:53 +1100 From: jonathan michaels To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: stb 4 port serial card setup Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD gw.caamora.com.au 2.2.7-RELEASE i386 X-Mood: i'm alive, if it counts Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hello all .. as teh subject line says, i'm looking for help setting up an STB 4 port serial interface card. i was given the card, i have no documentation and the card is awash with jumpers. in a previous life teh card was used successfully in a ms windows95 machine as a 2 modem and mouse interface. freebsd does see the card and its serial ports (currently it is set for 4 interrupts, one per each of teh ports). on a more mundane level, does anybody know where i might be able to get teh pigtail serial cable interconnectors for this card, they apear to be the 9 pin mini-DIN's aka teh apple mac, though more like teh ones on teh old ibm artic's if it helps, this serial card is going to host a pair of 2400 bps modems, one 14k4 (fax/data modem) and a 33k6 back to the isp. regards, with thanks in advance jonathan ps, i've looked on stb.com, some advertising is ther but little else, also sorry about my dsylex'd speld words, life is like that sometimes. -- =============================================================================== Jonathan Michaels PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia =========================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 16 02:21:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA20382 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 02:21:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA20367 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 02:21:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bkogawa@primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA14100; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 03:21:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from ip193.sjc.primenet.com(206.165.96.193), claiming to be "foo.primenet.com" via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd014055; Wed Dec 16 03:21:29 1998 Received: (from bkogawa@localhost) by foo.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) id CAA29203; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 02:21:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 02:21:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812161021.CAA29203@foo.primenet.com> To: chuckr@mat.net Subject: Re: mousen Newsgroups: localhost.freebsd.hardware References: <9136289350231300000> From: "Bryan K. Ogawa" Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In localhost.freebsd.hardware you write: (Other stuff snipped) Another thing I've seen recently is a "mouse" which is mounted to a small pad underneath. This pad is smaller than any mouse pad I've ever seen, and it offers absolute positioning (vs. relative positioning with mice) at a high resolution. The user interface is mouselike, but it would probably consume less desk space (and less stress due to moving your hand around less). They have the additional advantage of being 3-button. I have almost bought one several times, but I'm happy with my current mouse (Logitech) at the moment, and I have a nice backup mouse (also Logitech). -- bryan k ogawa http://www.primenet.com/~bkogawa/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 16 07:27:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA27869 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:27:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA27856 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:27:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA16244; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:24:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:24:48 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: "Bryan K. Ogawa" cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mousen In-Reply-To: <199812161021.CAA29203@foo.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Bryan K. Ogawa wrote: > In localhost.freebsd.hardware you write: > > (Other stuff snipped) > > Another thing I've seen recently is a "mouse" which is mounted to a > small pad underneath. This pad is smaller than any mouse pad I've > ever seen, and it offers absolute positioning (vs. relative > positioning with mice) at a high resolution. The user interface is > mouselike, but it would probably consume less desk space (and less > stress due to moving your hand around less). They have the additional > advantage of being 3-button. > > I have almost bought one several times, but I'm happy with my current > mouse (Logitech) at the moment, and I have a nice backup mouse (also > Logitech). I finally found a touchpad, it's in the mail, when I get it and have a chance to see if I've got a good thing or a bad one, I'll report here. The price was suspiciously low, I'm skeptical enough to be unwilling to tell folks until I'm sure. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 16 08:17:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA04218 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:17:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04199 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:17:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@mmrd.com) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id LAA09043; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:08:07 -0500 Received: from dave.ppi.com(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma009039; Wed Dec 16 11:08:06 1998 Message-ID: <3677DADA.95C3EBD9@mmrd.com> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:07:54 -0500 From: "David W. Alderman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bryan K. Ogawa" CC: chuckr@mat.net, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mousen References: <9136289350231300000> <199812161021.CAA29203@foo.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org By any chance is this mouse thing a Felix mouse? "Bryan K. Ogawa" wrote: > In localhost.freebsd.hardware you write: > > (Other stuff snipped) > > Another thing I've seen recently is a "mouse" which is mounted to a > small pad underneath. This pad is smaller than any mouse pad I've > ever seen, and it offers absolute positioning (vs. relative > positioning with mice) at a high resolution. The user interface is > mouselike, but it would probably consume less desk space (and less > stress due to moving your hand around less). They have the additional > advantage of being 3-button. > -- Dave Alderman - Democracy should not be capital intensive. dave@persprog.com is changing to dave@mmrd.com dwa@atlantic.net -or- dwald@earthlink.net -or- dalderman@compuserve.com (much to my shame) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 16 09:02:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA11326 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:02:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.seanet.com (dns2.seanet.com [199.181.164.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11319 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:02:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scott@two.sabami.seaslug.org) Received: from two.sabami.seaslug.org (c2-sab.seanet.com [204.182.113.50]) by mx.seanet.com (8.8.8/Seanet-8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA20811 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:02:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from two.sabami.seaslug.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by two.sabami.seaslug.org (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA02639 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:01:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812161701.JAA02639@two.sabami.seaslug.org> To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mousen References: In-reply-to: From: Scott Blachowicz Reply-to: Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <2636.913827702.1@two.sabami.seaslug.org> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:01:42 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chuck Robey wrote: > I finally found a touchpad, it's in the mail, when I get it and have a > chance to see if I've got a good thing or a bad one, I'll report here. I've tried touchpads a couple times and can almost get used to them. I worked with them for a little while and could use them fine, but I'd catch myself almost subconsciously avoiding its use by using all the keyboard shortcuts I could. It seemed easier to reach out and throw a mouse around than to slide my finger around. Maybe going from a fat finger gross control mode to a fine control mode was too much of a mode shift? I've been thinking of giving a trackball a try (maybe that Logitech model mentioned here recently), but I don't know. We'll see what Santa brings :-)). Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 16 09:19:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13731 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:19:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from laker.net (jet.laker.net [205.245.74.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13726 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:19:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sfriedri@laker.net) Received: from nt (digital-pbi-153.laker.net [208.0.233.53]) by laker.net (8.9.0/8.9.LAKERNET.NO-SPAM.SPAMMERS.AND.RELAYS.WILL.BE.TRACKED.AND.PROSECUTED.) with SMTP id MAA23601; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:19:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199812161719.MAA23601@laker.net> From: "Steve Friedrich" To: "hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:16:13 -0500 Reply-To: "Steve Friedrich" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: mousen Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:01:42 -0800, Scott Blachowicz wrote: >I've tried touchpads a couple times and can almost get used to them. I worked >with them for a little while and could use them fine, but I'd catch myself >almost subconsciously avoiding its use by using all the keyboard shortcuts I >could. It seemed easier to reach out and throw a mouse around than to slide >my finger around. Maybe going from a fat finger gross control mode to a fine >control mode was too much of a mode shift? I've been thinking of giving a >trackball a try (maybe that Logitech model mentioned here recently), but I >don't know. We'll see what Santa brings :-)). My $.02 My main frustration with mice was the darn wire! I got an Logitech Mouseman Cordless a couple years ago, and have since bought another! I'd like to get an "art tablet" to tinker with, but not as a primary input device. I experienced track balls on Navy equipment (ever felt a $600 trackball?? Actually, they probably cost way more than that, I just used the price of the hammer ;o) and on a few game systems, and one Kensington on a PC. I prefer the cordless mouse as a primary input device, and I REALLY like to use keyboard shortcuts, because mice will NEVER obviate the need for a keyboard. But the problem with keyboard shortcuts is much like the problem with *standards*. There's so damn many of them! I'm following this thread with interest. Hope to learn from your experiences... Here's hoping that whatever Santa brings, it will bring peace to your FreeBSD computing... Steve Friedrich Viva la FreeBSD!! Unix systems measure "uptime" in years, Winblows measures it in minutes. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 16 10:56:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25219 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:56:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25214 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:56:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbsd@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost.StevesCafe.com [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21497; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:04:57 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812161904.MAA21497@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 From: Steve Passe To: Archie Cobbs cc: s.lindgren@telia.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A nice notebook... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:45:45 PST." <199812140845.AAA07606@bubba.whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:04:56 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I have been looking over specs and the hp omnibook 4150 looks nice. Anyone have any experience with it? --- Video is my biggest concern, the datasheet says: 256-bit NeoMagic AGP graphics processor The X11-333 doc says: 1. Supported hardware o NeoMagic 2200 (MagicMedia256AV) ... Not sure if this is the same beast... It lists the 4100 (MagicGraph128XD) as "known working" but not the 4150. tia, -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 16 10:57:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25328 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:57:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25315 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:57:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@mmrd.com) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id NAA29621; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:53:07 -0500 Received: from dave.ppi.com(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma029615; Wed Dec 16 13:53:01 1998 Message-ID: <36780187.11A7E365@mmrd.com> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:52:56 -0500 From: "David W. Alderman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Friedrich CC: "hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org" Subject: Re: mousen References: <199812161719.MAA23601@laker.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Steve Friedrich wrote: > > My main frustration with mice was the darn wire! I got an Logitech > Mouseman Cordless a couple years ago, and have since bought another! > I'd like to get an "art tablet" to tinker with, but not as a primary > input device. I experienced track balls on Navy equipment (ever felt a > $600 trackball?? Actually, they probably cost way more than that, I > just used the price of the hammer ;o) and on a few game systems, and > one Kensington on a PC. I prefer the cordless mouse as a primary input > device, and I REALLY like to use keyboard shortcuts, because mice will > NEVER obviate the need for a keyboard. But the problem with keyboard > shortcuts is much like the problem with *standards*. There's so damn > many of them! > Until very recently, I too was using the Mouseman Cordless. I think it is an excellent mouse. I actually *have* two large black trackballs that look like they came out of fire control, but were probably pulled from an air traffic control system. I have been very tempted to write an interface driver for them just for the entertainment value. Most new art tablets now come with a cordless pen and a cordless "mouse" that work on the tablet. If you look at the tablet as a mouse pad, this may be an excellent combination. My only concern is documentation: do these newer tablets document both their absolute and relative positioning modes and how to switch between them? With the burgeoning open source movement, one would hope so. -- Dave Alderman - Democracy should not be capital intensive. dave@persprog.com is changing to dave@mmrd.com dwa@atlantic.net -or- dwald@earthlink.net -or- dalderman@compuserve.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 16 13:01:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA10778 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:01:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from reliam.teaser.fr (reliam.teaser.fr [194.51.80.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA10771; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:01:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from son@teaser.fr) Received: from teaser.fr (ppp1087-ft.teaser.fr [194.206.156.40]) by reliam.teaser.fr (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA16684; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:00:35 +0100 (MET) Received: (from son@localhost) by teaser.fr (8.9.1/8.8.5) id AAA04767; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:32:02 GMT Message-ID: <19981216003202.61773@breizh.prism.uvsq.fr> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:32:02 +0000 From: Nicolas Souchu To: "Robert C. Pacheco" Cc: config@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Iomega Zip Drives References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: ; from Robert C. Pacheco on Mon, Dec 14, 1998 at 03:16:41PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD breizh 3.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Dec 14, 1998 at 03:16:41PM -0500, Robert C. Pacheco wrote: > >Can someone help me configure and use an Iomega Parallel Port Zip Drive? Yes. vpo(4), ppbus(4) and ppc(4) are the apropriate manpages under -current. Otherwise, you'll have to port ppbus to -stable if you need it. > >--Rob. >rcp@ccs.neu.edu > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > -- nsouch@teaser.fr / nsouch@freebsd.org FreeBSD - Turning PCs into workstations - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 16 22:16:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA10426 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:16:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA10421 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:15:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id XAA07433; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:15:43 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981216203941.063e26d0@mail.lariat.org> Message-Id: <4.1.19981216203941.063e26d0@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:16:14 -0700 To: dg@root.com, mturpin@shadow.spel.com, toasty@home.dragondata.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Network adapters: Technical issues In-Reply-To: <199807181830.LAA01184@implode.root.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, I've succeeded in finding some inexpensive 100BaseT PCI adapters for the clients around the lab. They use the DEC PCI chip, which is a reasonable tradeoff between speed and price. However, I am still trying to decide what to put in the servers. In the various catalogs I've searched, I see two adapters that use the Intel chips, which are reputed to have low overhead. However, nothing adequately describes the technical differences between them. I see an "Intel EtherExpress Pro/100+ PCI" adapter (consistently the most aggressively priced), an "Intel EtherExpress Pro/100 T4 PCI" card for about twice as much, and an "Intel Pro/100+ Server Adapter" priced somewhere in between. What are the differences between these models? (I understand that DG wrote the drivers for these.... David, can you offer some input?) Also, we have two problematic 486-based clients. One is a 486 with an EISA bus and another is a 486 with VLBus. EISA adapters about TRIPLE the going price, and I haven't found any VLBus cards at all. (Does anyone know if they exist?) Also, I'm aware that the practical throughput of 16-bit ISA is 5 MBps, while EISA and VLBus are both a LOT faster. Does it pay to use EISA or VLBus cards (if I can find them), or just stick to ISA on the assumption that a 486 can't really use the throughput anyway? Finally, if I go with ISA, PC Zone lists a KTI "32-bit ISA Combo Adapter" for $24. Is this a 100BaseTX card? (The catalog entry suspiciously leaves out the bit rate.) And, if so, is it supported by the RealTek driver for 2.2.x? I know that the above is a rather big jumble of questions, but I need to sort things out so that I make the right choices. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 16 22:27:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA11736 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:27:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles128.castles.com [208.214.165.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA11726 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:27:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA03563; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:24:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199812170624.WAA03563@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Brett Glass cc: dg@root.com, mturpin@shadow.spel.com, toasty@home.dragondata.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network adapters: Technical issues In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:16:14 MST." <4.1.19981216203941.063e26d0@mail.lariat.org> <4.1.19981216203941.063e26d0@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:24:42 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > EtherExpress Pro/100+ PCI" adapter (consistently the most aggressively > priced) You want this one. > Also, we have two problematic 486-based clients. One is a 486 with an EISA > bus and another is a 486 with VLBus. We don't (AFAIK) support any 100Mbps adapters on any bus other than PCI. > Also, I'm aware that the practical throughput of 16-bit ISA is > 5 MBps, while EISA and VLBus are both a LOT faster. Does it pay to use EISA > or VLBus cards (if I can find them), or just stick to ISA on the assumption > that a 486 can't really use the throughput anyway? You'll find the best performance from a WD8013 clone, or (not as good) an NE2000 clone. > Finally, if I go with ISA, PC Zone lists a KTI "32-bit ISA Combo Adapter" > for $24. Is this a 100BaseTX card? (The catalog entry suspiciously leaves > out the bit rate.) And, if so, is it supported by the RealTek driver for 2.2.x? The driver for the RTL8039 only supports the 8039, which is a PCI device. Realtek also make the 8029 (A PCI NE2000 clone) and the 8019 (a single-chip ISA NE2000 clone). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 16 22:59:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14873 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:59:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA14868 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:59:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id XAA07737; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:58:57 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981216235818.066a0500@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:58:50 -0700 To: Mike Smith From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Network adapters: Technical issues Cc: dg@root.com, mturpin@shadow.spel.com, toasty@home.dragondata.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199812170624.WAA03563@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <4.1.19981216203941.063e26d0@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:24 PM 12/16/98 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >We don't (AFAIK) support any 100Mbps adapters on any bus other than PCI. The Intel Pro/100 ISA isn't supported, then? Or is it? --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 16 23:08:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA15491 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:08:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles128.castles.com [208.214.165.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA15483 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:08:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA03766; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:05:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199812170705.XAA03766@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Brett Glass cc: dg@root.com, mturpin@shadow.spel.com, toasty@home.dragondata.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network adapters: Technical issues In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:58:50 MST." <4.1.19981216235818.066a0500@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:05:51 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > At 10:24 PM 12/16/98 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > >We don't (AFAIK) support any 100Mbps adapters on any bus other than PCI. > > The Intel Pro/100 ISA isn't supported, then? Or is it? No, it's a completely different animal. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 16 23:19:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA16309 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:19:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from root.com (root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA16304 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:19:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@root.com) Received: from root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA18623; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:20:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812170720.XAA18623@root.com> To: Brett Glass cc: mturpin@shadow.spel.com, toasty@home.dragondata.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network adapters: Technical issues In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:16:14 MST." <4.1.19981216203941.063e26d0@mail.lariat.org> <4.1.19981216203941.063e26d0@mail.lariat.org> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:20:19 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >However, I am still trying to decide what to put in the servers. In the >various catalogs I've searched, I see two adapters that use the Intel >chips, which are reputed to have low overhead. However, nothing adequately >describes the technical differences between them. I see an "Intel >EtherExpress Pro/100+ PCI" adapter (consistently the most aggressively >priced), an "Intel EtherExpress Pro/100 T4 PCI" card for about twice as >much, and an "Intel Pro/100+ Server Adapter" priced somewhere in between. >What are the differences between these models? (I understand that DG wrote >the drivers for these.... David, can you offer some input?) I have zero time right now, but quickly: the Pro/100+ server adapter is not supported and probably never will be. I assume that the "T4" board is something that has a 100Base-T4 interface, which is incompatible with 100Base-TX; I don't know what chip it uses, but you probably don't want it in any case. Bottom line: only the cheap adapter is supported and it works better than anything else currently supported by FreeBSD. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 16 23:24:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA17053 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:24:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17048 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:24:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id AAA07966; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:23:44 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981217000925.066e26c0@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:23:14 -0700 To: Mike Smith From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Network adapters: Technical issues Cc: dg@root.com, mturpin@shadow.spel.com, toasty@home.dragondata.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199812170705.XAA03766@dingo.cdrom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:05 PM 12/16/98 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >> The Intel Pro/100 ISA isn't supported, then? Or is it? > >No, it's a completely different animal. Hmmm. One of the purposes of the upgrade is to get everything running at 100 Mbps full duplex, so that we can use a Layer 2 switch efficiently. Anything running half duplex or 10 Mbps will congest the switch by requiring it to use buffers to store and forward packets. (It can do cut-through switching if there's no speed difference.) We want to save the buffers to relieve congestion if it happens. How about the 3Com Fast Etherlink ISA? The part number is 3C515-TX. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 16 23:32:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA17859 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:32:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles128.castles.com [208.214.165.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17854 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:32:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA03887; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:29:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199812170729.XAA03887@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Brett Glass cc: Mike Smith , dg@root.com, mturpin@shadow.spel.com, toasty@home.dragondata.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network adapters: Technical issues In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:23:14 MST." <4.1.19981217000925.066e26c0@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:29:43 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > At 11:05 PM 12/16/98 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > >> The Intel Pro/100 ISA isn't supported, then? Or is it? > > > >No, it's a completely different animal. > > Hmmm. One of the purposes of the upgrade is to get everything > running at 100 Mbps full duplex, so that we can use a Layer 2 > switch efficiently. Anything running half duplex or 10 Mbps will > congest the switch by requiring it to use buffers to store and > forward packets. (It can do cut-through switching if there's > no speed difference.) We want to save the buffers to relieve > congestion if it happens. > > How about the 3Com Fast Etherlink ISA? The part number is 3C515-TX. How about a cheap socket-7 motherboard and an AMD K6? Total cost < $150 and all of a sudden you can use PCI adapters. If I knew of any ISA 100Mbps adapters, don't you think I'd have mentioned them? If I say "I don't believe we do", then I damn well mean it! -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 16 23:45:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19020 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:45:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA19015 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:45:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id AAA08157; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:44:36 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981217004147.066e2c30@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:44:32 -0700 To: Mike Smith From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Network adapters: Technical issues Cc: Mike Smith , dg@root.com, mturpin@shadow.spel.com, toasty@home.dragondata.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199812170729.XAA03887@dingo.cdrom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:29 PM 12/16/98 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >If I knew of any ISA 100Mbps adapters, don't you think I'd have >mentioned them? If I say "I don't believe we do", then I damn well >mean it! Really... you don't have to shout! It's just that the cost of an upgrade would be significantly more than the $150 it would take to replace the motherboard. There's also RAM.... Those systems use older SIMMs. And a new motherboard is likely to be in the ATX form factor; those 486es use the AT form factor. So between the case and the RAM and the motherboard and the CPU and the keyboard (yep, the old ones use AT, not PS/2, keyboards) we're almost talking about throwing out the box. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 16 23:45:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19307 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:45:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns3.redbacknetworks.com (mail3.redbacknetworks.com [155.53.200.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA19300 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:45:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sam@redbacknetworks.com) Received: from phred.redbacknetworks.com (phred.redbacknetworks.com [155.53.144.35]) by ns3.redbacknetworks.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12986 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:45:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sam@localhost) by phred.redbacknetworks.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA21737; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:44:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:44:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812170744.XAA21737@phred.redbacknetworks.com> From: Sam Pigg To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tyan S1836DLUAN >512Mb problems Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> Trying to use 1 gig of memory on a tyan S1836DLUAN (dual 450 PII's) >> running 3.0-RELEASE, keep having problems with the system freezing up, >> rebooting, compiles failing due to signal 11's etc. If I decrease the >> memory to 512 megs (I'm using those weird micron 256meg simms btw) >> everything works fine. Tyan claims this motherboard can support up to >> '1GB SPD SDRAM or SDRAM+ECC in addition to the new 100MHz >> SDRAMs' >> >> This motherboard uses the 440GX chipset, but another system with >> a tyan S1832DL (440BX chipset) suffers from the same symptoms when >> >512 megs of ram are installed. > >The problem is not with the motherboard. Most of the mother boards that >support SMP PII's have the same problem. I was unable to locate where in >the configs the problem comes from though. I was testing dual PII 400 >when they were first avalible from Compaq with 1.0 gig of 256meg dimms. >They are recognized fine by the bios but FreeBSD won't work with it. I >tested NT, Novell, and Sco all of which work although no where near as >well and the system with 512meg and SMP FreeBSD. > >Rob. I've upgraded the board bios, changed to a new memory vendor, etc etc. Still have exactly the same symptoms, and from what rob said it would seem this problem is specific to freebsd, and not any particular motherboard. Is anyone actually running a freebsd machine with more than 512 megs of memory? Anyone have a clue at all as to why freebsd can't support a gig of ram? windblows seems to have no problem (which doesnt help me much) Thanks, Sam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 16 23:51:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA20050 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:51:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from root.com (root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA20044 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:51:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@root.com) Received: from root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA19274; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:52:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812170752.XAA19274@root.com> To: Brett Glass cc: Mike Smith , mturpin@shadow.spel.com, toasty@home.dragondata.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network adapters: Technical issues In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:44:32 MST." <4.1.19981217004147.066e2c30@mail.lariat.org> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:52:03 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >At 11:29 PM 12/16/98 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > >>If I knew of any ISA 100Mbps adapters, don't you think I'd have >>mentioned them? If I say "I don't believe we do", then I damn well >>mean it! > >Really... you don't have to shout! It's just that the cost of an >upgrade would be significantly more than the $150 it would take >to replace the motherboard. There's also RAM.... Those systems >use older SIMMs. And a new motherboard is likely to be in the ATX >form factor; those 486es use the AT form factor. So between the >case and the RAM and the motherboard and the CPU and the keyboard >(yep, the old ones use AT, not PS/2, keyboards) we're almost talking >about throwing out the box. The Pro/100 ISA might be supported in the ex driver (...but maybe not). -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 17 00:17:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA22590 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:17:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA22585 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:17:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id BAA08405; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:17:27 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981217011026.06518130@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:17:11 -0700 To: dg@root.com From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Network adapters: Technical issues Cc: Mike Smith , mturpin@shadow.spel.com, toasty@home.dragondata.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199812170752.XAA19274@root.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:52 PM 12/16/98 -0800, David Greenman wrote: > The Pro/100 ISA might be supported in the ex driver (...but maybe not). The source doesn't show any code to account for different media types (duplex vs. simplex or 10 Mbps vs. 100 Mbps). It's possible that if the board were preconfigured to default to 100 Mbps and full duplex, or if it automatically adapted to the LAN, it would work even if the driver didn't know about these features. But most likely a driver rev would be needed. I'm not sure if I could take this one on without spec sheets and a greater knowledge of kernel hacking than I currently have, but I might attempt it over the holidays as an experiment. I suppose that I could graft some code in from the fxp driver (including the flags used by ifconfig(1)) so that I'd have less chance of botching things. But I'd probably need some coaching to get it right. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 17 04:10:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA16972 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:10:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.cormoran.da.ru ([212.30.174.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA16958 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:10:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@cormoran.da.ru) Received: (from alex@localhost) by ns.cormoran.da.ru (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id PAA00307 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:11:45 GMT From: "Alex S. Burba" Message-Id: <199812171511.PAA00307@ns.cormoran.da.ru> Subject: 3com 905B To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:11:45 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello. Does FreeBSD-2.2.7 support 3com 905B cards? Best regards. Thatnks for help. Alex S. Burba. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 17 06:39:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA03362 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:39:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA03356 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:39:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@mail.HiWAAY.net) Received: (from dkelly@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) id IAA29500; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:39:41 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:39:41 -0600 (CST) From: David Kelly Message-Id: <199812171439.IAA29500@mail.HiWAAY.net> To: brett@lariat.org, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network adapters: Technical issues Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass writes: > Finally, if I go with ISA, PC Zone lists a KTI "32-bit ISA Combo Adapter" > for $24. Is this a 100BaseTX card? (The catalog entry suspiciously leaves > out the bit rate.) And, if so, is it supported by the RealTek driver for 2.2.x? The word, "combo" is a key indicating at least UTP and thin ethernet interfaces. Eliminating the possibility of 100baseT. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net (hm) ====================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 17 07:20:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08119 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:20:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08113 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:20:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA95585; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:20:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Message-Id: <199812171520.KAA95585@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Brett Glass cc: Mike Smith , dg@root.com, mturpin@shadow.spel.com, toasty@home.dragondata.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: Network adapters: Technical issues References: <4.1.19981217004147.066e2c30@mail.lariat.org> In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:44:32 MST." <4.1.19981217004147.066e2c30@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:20:15 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > At 11:29 PM 12/16/98 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > It's just that the cost of an > upgrade would be significantly more than the $150 it would take > to replace the motherboard. There's also RAM.... Those systems > use older SIMMs. And a new motherboard is likely to be in the ATX > form factor; those 486es use the AT form factor. So between the > case and the RAM and the motherboard and the CPU and the keyboard > (yep, the old ones use AT, not PS/2, keyboards) we're almost talking > about throwing out the box. I had some similar considerations. I just bought an FIC VA-503+ motherboard, which is a baby-AT form factor, has 4 72-pin SIMM sockets, 1 MB of L2 cache, 3 PCI slots, a bunch of ISA slots and a 350MHz K6-2 CPU for about $250. I went with this specifically because I had an existing case and memory that I wanted to recover. Having only 3 PCI slots is sort of a downer, but the cost of the motherboard itself is about $50, so it can't be that bit a mistake. I did this to replace an old (no L2 cache, slow) 486 system so I could use the $30 10/100 ethernet boards I had lying around. louie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 17 07:51:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA11460 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:51:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [195.50.91.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA11452 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:51:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from manar@ivision.co.uk) Received: from pretender.ivision.co.uk ([195.50.91.43]) by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zqfOv-00048C-00 for hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:31:41 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981217153011.00968e60@stingray.ivision.co.uk> X-Sender: manar@stingray.ivision.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:30:11 +0000 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Manar Hussain Subject: Re: Network adapters: Technical issues In-Reply-To: <199812171520.KAA95585@whizzo.transsys.com> References: <4.1.19981217004147.066e2c30@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We're running about 4 systems based on this board (all with K6-2 300s) and they run pretty decently on the whole but we have had slightly more motherboard hassles than normal ... We went with these boards due to the combination of: 256Mb of cached RAM supported, AT form factor, 100MHz bus support + reasonable availability (in the UK) ... Manar >I just bought an FIC VA-503+ motherboard, which is a baby-AT form factor, >has 4 72-pin SIMM sockets, 1 MB of L2 cache, 3 PCI slots, a bunch >of ISA slots and a 350MHz K6-2 CPU for about $250. I went with this >specifically because I had an existing case and memory that I wanted >to recover. > >Having only 3 PCI slots is sort of a downer, but the cost of the motherboard >itself is about $50, so it can't be that bit a mistake. > >I did this to replace an old (no L2 cache, slow) 486 system so I could >use the $30 10/100 ethernet boards I had lying around. > >louie > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 17 10:55:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00936 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:55:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns3.redbacknetworks.com (mail3.redbacknetworks.com [155.53.200.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00918; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:55:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sam@redbacknetworks.com) Received: from phred.redbacknetworks.com (phred.redbacknetworks.com [155.53.144.35]) by ns3.redbacknetworks.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17558; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sam@localhost) by phred.redbacknetworks.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA22208; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:54:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:54:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812171854.KAA22208@phred.redbacknetworks.com> From: Sam Pigg To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG CC: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tyan S1836DLUAN >512Mb problems Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org more data I probably should've included- the new memory I'm using is from the tyan approved/tested vendor list for this motherboard (dense-pac 256 Meg ECC SDRAM dimms) The cpu's are both PII-450's, and should not have any issues with >512 megs. The loading of the system I'm doing uses thousands of processes, which I can run more of with 512M than 1Gig. ie it fires off the processes slowly until it runs out of physical ram and then moves through swap when using 512M, with 1Gig, it freezes when it gets down to 350-255 megs free of physical ram. Tried juggling the new dimms around to different dimm slots, to no avail. I have a difficult time believing its a memory bus loading issue as this is ram thats actually been tested at tyan. Also have logs of vmstat -i -s -m and 'top' taken every second while loading up the processes before the system freeze, that show no apparent resource starvation going on. Any ideas? Thanks, -Sam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 17 12:15:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10883 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:15:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bmccane.maxbaud.net (baud225.maxbaud.net [12.13.66.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10870 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:14:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@bmccane.maxbaud.net) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by bmccane.maxbaud.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA02928 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:14:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from root@bmccane.maxbaud.net) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:14:40 -0600 (CST) From: Wm Brian McCane To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Printer problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have an HP PhotoSmart (DeskJet) printer that I want to attach to my Samba Server. Everything is connected, and print jobs from the PC blindly fly over to UNIX no problem. The problem is during the printing. I get about 1/2" to 1" of my document printed out and then the printing stops with that obnoxious blinking light. I think the problem is not the print job because: lptest > /dev/lpt0 does NOTHING. I disabled the printer, and sent over my print job again (Windows 98 Print Test Page). When I `cat' the file to the port I get the same behavior. If I connect the printer to the PC and do a: type test.fil > lpt0: it works (okay, I forget the exact string, but it did work 8). It appears that the printer is reseting after UNIX drops the Print Request line? help! brian +-----------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ He rides a cycle of mighty days, and \ Wm Brian and Lori McCane represents the last great schizm among\ McCane Consulting the gods. Evil though he obviously is, \ root@bmccane.maxbaud.net he is a mighty figure, this father of \ http://bmccane.maxbaud.net/ my spirit, and I respect him as the sons \ http://bmccane.maxbaud.net/~pictures/ of old did the fathers of their bodies. \ http://bmccane.maxbaud.net/~bmccane/ Roger Zelazny - "Lord of Light" \ +-------------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 17 15:38:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04729 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:38:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roma.coe.ufrj.br (roma.coe.ufrj.br [146.164.53.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04724 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:38:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@jonny.eng.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by roma.coe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16699; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:38:08 -0200 (EDT) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199812172338.VAA16699@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: 3com 905B In-Reply-To: <199812171511.PAA00307@ns.cormoran.da.ru> from "Alex S. Burba" at "Dec 17, 1998 3:11:45 pm" To: alex@cormoran.da.ru (Alex S. Burba) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:38:08 -0200 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org #define quoting(Alex S. Burba) // Does FreeBSD-2.2.7 support 3com 905B cards? stock 2.2.7, no, but you can upgrade to 2.2.8 (or cvsup), and use the new xl driver. Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis M.Sc. Student jonny@jonny.eng.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro "This .sig is not meant to be politically correct." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 17 16:03:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08790 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:03:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cynix.ecn.purdue.edu (cynix.ecn.purdue.edu [128.46.108.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08761 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:03:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from splite@purdue.edu) Received: (from splite@localhost) by cynix.ecn.purdue.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11611; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:01:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981217190158.A11500@cynix.ecn.purdue.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:01:58 -0500 From: splite To: Brett Glass Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network adapters: Technical issues References: <199807181830.LAA01184@implode.root.com> <4.1.19981216203941.063e26d0@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981216203941.063e26d0@mail.lariat.org>; from Brett Glass on Wed, Dec 16, 1998 at 09:16:14PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Dec 16, 1998 at 09:16:14PM -0700, Brett Glass wrote: > > Also, we have two problematic 486-based clients. One is a 486 with an EISA > bus and another is a 486 with VLBus. EISA adapters about TRIPLE the going > price, and I haven't found any VLBus cards at all. (Does anyone know if > they exist?) Also, I'm aware that the practical throughput of 16-bit ISA is Only VLB Ethernet cards I've ever seen advertised can be had from: http://www.ahhz.com/ (look for "Boca Research VL Bus Ethernet", item code #31) That place is also constantly (for around a year now) hawking said cards on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=49472433 I've never bought from them or used those cards, but the copy claims that they're "NE 2100 and NE1500T compatible", so they may work with the ed(4) driver. But, the copy also says "Does not use DMA", so I don't know if the board would have any speed advantage over an ISA version. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 18 00:16:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA06270 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:16:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mrelay.jrc.it (mrelay.jrc.it [139.191.1.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA06265 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:16:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nick.hibma@jrc.it) Received: from elect8 (elect8.jrc.it [139.191.71.152]) by mrelay.jrc.it (LMC5692) with SMTP id JAA25576; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:16:32 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:15:46 +0100 (MET) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@elect8 Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, alex@cormoran.da.ru Subject: Re: 3com 905B In-Reply-To: <199812172338.VAA16699@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Which means that you can simply copy the file and make a list of changes to several files to get it working. 1) /sys/conf/files (add if_xl) 2) cp /tmp/if_xl.c /sys/pci/ 3) cp /tmp/if_xlreg.c /sys/pci/ The ISA version is supported in the ep0 driver. I have one at home. Nick On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > #define quoting(Alex S. Burba) > // Does FreeBSD-2.2.7 support 3com 905B cards? > > stock 2.2.7, no, but you can upgrade to 2.2.8 (or cvsup), and use > the new xl driver. > > Jonny > > -- > Joao Carlos Mendes Luis M.Sc. Student > jonny@jonny.eng.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro > "This .sig is not meant to be politically correct." > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > -- ISIS/STA, T.P.270, Joint Research Centre, 21020 Ispra, Italy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 18 00:22:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA07050 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:22:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA07045 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:22:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA02348; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:19:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199812180819.AAA02348@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Nick Hibma cc: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, alex@cormoran.da.ru Subject: Re: 3com 905B In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:15:46 +0100." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:19:41 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Which means that you can simply copy the file and make a list of changes > to several files to get it working. > > 1) /sys/conf/files (add if_xl) > 2) cp /tmp/if_xl.c /sys/pci/ > 3) cp /tmp/if_xlreg.c /sys/pci/ > > The ISA version is supported in the ep0 driver. I have one at home. That's the '509, which is a different animal. > Nick > > On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > > > #define quoting(Alex S. Burba) > > // Does FreeBSD-2.2.7 support 3com 905B cards? > > > > stock 2.2.7, no, but you can upgrade to 2.2.8 (or cvsup), and use > > the new xl driver. > > > > Jonny > > > > -- > > Joao Carlos Mendes Luis M.Sc. Student > > jonny@jonny.eng.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro > > "This .sig is not meant to be politically correct." > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > > > -- > ISIS/STA, T.P.270, Joint Research Centre, 21020 Ispra, Italy > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 18 15:41:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA20475 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:41:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20470 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:41:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA26845; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:40:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:40:22 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Brett Glass cc: Mike Smith , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network adapters: Technical issues In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981217004147.066e2c30@mail.lariat.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Seriously now, these old machines can turn into money holes real quick... I fixed a friend's $25 garage sale special, but every time I went to try and 'upgrade' something, the price was just ridiculous. I think you'll find that the cost of oddball parts is rising. For example, try finding an ISA video card with 1M or more of ram for less than $60... Meanwhile you can get a PCI card for $30 and an AGP for $40. You'll run into the same trap sooner or later with your quest for 100Mb ISA cards. We can still get an Asus P55TP4 mobo w/4 PCI slots for about $60 and a Pentium 133 for about the same. It's AT form factor, takes an AT keyboard, AT power supply, and still has ISA slots. You might find yourself paying nearly the same price for your ISA card when you find it. Factor in the time you spend on this as well... Good luck, Charles --- Charles Sprickman spork@super-g.com On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Brett Glass wrote: > At 11:29 PM 12/16/98 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > >If I knew of any ISA 100Mbps adapters, don't you think I'd have > >mentioned them? If I say "I don't believe we do", then I damn well > >mean it! > > Really... you don't have to shout! It's just that the cost of an > upgrade would be significantly more than the $150 it would take > to replace the motherboard. There's also RAM.... Those systems > use older SIMMs. And a new motherboard is likely to be in the ATX > form factor; those 486es use the AT form factor. So between the > case and the RAM and the motherboard and the CPU and the keyboard > (yep, the old ones use AT, not PS/2, keyboards) we're almost talking > about throwing out the box. > > --Brett > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 18 15:48:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21446 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:48:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21434 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:48:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id QAA26522; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:48:13 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981218164319.06c11ab0@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:47:46 -0700 To: spork From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Network adapters: Technical issues Cc: Mike Smith , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19981217004147.066e2c30@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, I have to do upgrades for a LOT of machines, so if I can find a good solution it's worth the time. By the way, Egghead.com is blowing KTI RealTek-based cards out the door at auction for an average bid price of $12 before shipping. The only thing to watch out for: the RealTek driver appears to be subject to a DoS attack. I don't want to give details about this until the author has a chance to look at it. --Brett At 06:40 PM 12/18/98 -0500, spork wrote: >Seriously now, these old machines can turn into money holes real quick... >I fixed a friend's $25 garage sale special, but every time I went to try >and 'upgrade' something, the price was just ridiculous. I think you'll >find that the cost of oddball parts is rising. For example, try finding >an ISA video card with 1M or more of ram for less than $60... Meanwhile >you can get a PCI card for $30 and an AGP for $40. > >You'll run into the same trap sooner or later with your quest for 100Mb >ISA cards. We can still get an Asus P55TP4 mobo w/4 PCI slots for about >$60 and a Pentium 133 for about the same. It's AT form factor, takes an >AT keyboard, AT power supply, and still has ISA slots. You might find >yourself paying nearly the same price for your ISA card when you find it. >Factor in the time you spend on this as well... > >Good luck, > >Charles > >--- >Charles Sprickman >spork@super-g.com > >On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Brett Glass wrote: > >> At 11:29 PM 12/16/98 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >> >> >If I knew of any ISA 100Mbps adapters, don't you think I'd have >> >mentioned them? If I say "I don't believe we do", then I damn well >> >mean it! >> >> Really... you don't have to shout! It's just that the cost of an >> upgrade would be significantly more than the $150 it would take >> to replace the motherboard. There's also RAM.... Those systems >> use older SIMMs. And a new motherboard is likely to be in the ATX >> form factor; those 486es use the AT form factor. So between the >> case and the RAM and the motherboard and the CPU and the keyboard >> (yep, the old ones use AT, not PS/2, keyboards) we're almost talking >> about throwing out the box. >> >> --Brett >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message >> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 18 18:33:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10262 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:33:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from salmon.hei.net (salmon.hei.net [209.222.163.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA10241; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:32:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@hei.net) Received: from trout (hst-trout.hei.net [209.222.163.131]) by salmon.hei.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA24483; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:32:48 -0800 (PST) From: "John Hengstler" To: Cc: Subject: 16 port boca board Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:05:25 -0800 Message-ID: <001401be2afc$6cc7a120$83a3ded1@trout.heicomm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, I have a 16 port boca board which I have been using for dialup accounts for a while now on all releases of 2.2.5-stable through 2.2.7-stable on a 486 box. With no problems. I have been wanting to move them to my p-100 box with kernel compiled same was as 486 (with the obvious pentium options). Every reboot I have to watch for the silo errors immediately after the ports initialize. If I don't get them then the board works fine. If I get them, then typically most of the ports don't work, and the errors keep coming, which of course requires a reboot. I also notice the all the ports aren't being found, which sometimes is the master port, which of course requires a reboot. What can I do to fix this problem. Again everything runs fine on the 486.. Oh yeah I do have 2 different pentium machines that I have tried it on, but same results. Any help would be appreciated... John Hengstler To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message