From owner-freebsd-isdn Sun Aug 30 10:36:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12352 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 10:36:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from asterix.webaffairs.net (port241.bonn.ndh.net [195.94.93.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12338 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 10:36:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stefhe@gmx.net) Received: from obelix (obelix.webaffairs.net [192.168.10.3]) by asterix.webaffairs.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA13221; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:19:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from stefhe@gmx.net) From: "Stefan Herrmann" To: Cc: Subject: .RE: teles.s0 16.3: changing irq Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:15:32 +0200 Message-ID: <000101bdd439$cb153130$030aa8c0@obelix.webaffairs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > So how do you change irq's on your teles 16.3 card (under FBSD or DOS, > > I don't have and don't want to have Windows running on that computer) ? > > The irq is configured into the card each time the driver under whatever > OS you currently boot initializes the card. Thus, change the irq for the > isic driver in your kernel config file to one of the supported (!) irqs > for this card (hint: read "man isic") which is currently unused in your > machine and generate a new kernel. Thanks Hellmuth ! Now it worked and I can finally use my sound card. Ciao Stefan P.S.: I think this is something for the FAQ. -- --- Communications powered by FreeBSD --- Stefan Herrmann Löwenburgstr. 81 D-53229 Bonn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Mon Aug 31 02:22:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA17911 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:22:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.30.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA17856 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:21:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA04145 for freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:20:57 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from kuku) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:20:57 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <199808310920.LAA04145@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE> To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: monitoring calls Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org bisdn had the 'feature' to log also incoming connections on the S0 bus that were not destined to the host running bisdn, i.e. I could see from the log file or the logging ttyvx that another source has dialed in thus finding the cause when two channels were already busy. How can I configure (without large logging overhead) find out in isdn4bsd what numbers were dialing in on the bus? And better yet, to throw up an ever lasting question: Where is the entry point to build some channel monitoring, e.g. what channels are busy, if they are dial in /out, what sort of service is being active and what phone number is related to them. -- Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Mon Aug 31 02:53:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA21586 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:53:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni-sb.de (uni-sb.de [134.96.252.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA21573 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:53:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netchild@wurzelausix.CS.Uni-SB.DE) Received: from cs.uni-sb.de (cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.252.31]) by uni-sb.de (8.9.0/1998052000) with ESMTP id LAA08892 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:52:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (cAfcRt9SxwFXoQ7vudo11m3Sj92zcEox@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.247.1]) by cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.0/1998060300) with ESMTP id LAA20762 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:52:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (IDENT:l+W574R4vWeT+wiyrvLmn9UzZr6moLNk@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.1/wjp/19980821) with ESMTP id LAA07626 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:52:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199808310952.LAA07626@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:52:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Leidinger Subject: i4b & 3.0-current To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I´m new on this list and I want to know if someone uses 3.0-current and i4b. I´ve read on the i4b-page that there´s only limited support for -current (e.g. pnp). Because I want to buy an isdn-card in the very near future, I need some advice. I thought about a teles s0 (isa), because it is very cheap, but it isn´t easy to be sure I get a 16.3 instead of a 16.3c via mailorder. Is there some effort to support them too? Bye, Alexander. -- 2^{F_{h+1}-1} z^{F_{h+2}-1} + 2^{F_{h+1}-2} L_{h-1} z^{F_{h+2}} + complicated terms + 2^{h-1} z^{2^h - 2} + z^{2^h - 1} Donald E. Knuth, "The Art of Computer Programming" http://fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de/~netchild mailto:netchild@studcs.uni-sb.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Mon Aug 31 03:43:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA26520 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:43:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gorilla.mchh.siemens.de (gorilla.mchh.siemens.de [194.138.158.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA26514 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:42:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas.gaertner.gp@oen.siemens.de) Received: from moody.mchh.siemens.de (moody-i.mchh.siemens.de [194.138.158.26]) by gorilla.mchh.siemens.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA08053 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:42:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from uebemc.siemens.de (root@popey.mchh3.oen.siemens.de [132.29.3.155]) by moody.mchh.siemens.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA01845 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:46:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from egnetz (serverrt) by uebemc.siemens.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10011; Mon, 31 Aug 98 12:40:46 +0200 Received: from s71ee26 by egnetz (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.1) id MAA19105; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:40:37 +0200 Received: from localhost by s71ee26 (SMI-8.6/NFS-Client-1.0) id MAA00758; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:40:45 +0200 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:40:45 +0200 (MET DST) From: Anderl To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: i4b-question Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi folks, recently i encountered the following messages occurring during an outbound connection and an incoming call: Aug 29 17:19:17 kirk /kernel: isppp0: phase establish Aug 29 17:19:20 kirk /kernel: isppp0: phase authenticate Aug 29 17:19:20 kirk /kernel: isppp0: phase network Aug 29 17:19:27 kirk /kernel: i4b-L3-i4b_decode_q931_codeset0: IE ChannelID, SETUP without explicit ChannelID! Aug 29 17:19:31 kirk /kernel: i4b-L3-i4b_decode_q931_codeset0: IE ChannelID, SETUP without explicit ChannelID! Aug 29 17:21:14 kirk /kernel: isppp0: phase terminate Aug 29 17:21:14 kirk /kernel: isppp0: Down event (carrier loss), taking interface down. does anybody have a clue what the two lines containig 'SETUP without explicit ChannelID!' mean and how to avoid them? they show up when an incoming call takes place. i'm running 2.2.6 and i4b0.63/fritz!card. furthermore, when looking at the output of isdnd, there is a message 'incoming alert' after having established the connection to my isp successfully. what does that mean? thanks in advance for any hints, regards, anderl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Mon Aug 31 04:58:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA08361 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 04:58:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.promo.de (mail.Promo.DE [194.45.188.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA08356 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 04:58:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stefan@promo.de) Received: from d254.promo.de (d254.Promo.DE [194.45.188.254]) by mail.promo.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21354; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:51:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:55:19 +0200 From: Stefan Bethke To: Anderl cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: i4b-question Message-ID: <671709.3113560519@d254.promo.de> In-Reply-To: Originator-Info: login-id=stefan; server=mail X-Mailer: Mulberry Demo (MacOS) [1.4.0b2, s/n Evaluation] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 31. Aug 1998 12:40 Uhr +0200 Anderl wrote: > Aug 29 17:19:27 kirk /kernel: i4b-L3-i4b_decode_q931_codeset0: IE > ChannelID, SETUP without explicit ChannelID! > does anybody have a clue what the two lines containig 'SETUP without > explicit ChannelID!' mean and how to avoid them? they show up when an > incoming call takes place. This means there is an incoming call, but both B channels are in use. Usually, this called "call waiting". i4b currently can't handle this case, so it logs a warning message. Stefan -- Stefan Bethke Promo Datentechnik | Tel. +49-40-851744-18 + Systemberatung GmbH | Fax. +49-40-851744-44 Eduardstrasse 46-48 | e-mail: stefan@Promo.DE D-20257 Hamburg | http://www.Promo.DE/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Mon Aug 31 07:27:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA27948 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:27:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hcshh.hcs.de (hcshh.hcs.de [194.123.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA27943 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:26:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hm@hcs.de) Received: from hcswork.hcs.de([192.76.124.5]) (2161 bytes) by hcshh.hcs.de via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:25:38 +0200 (METDST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2 built 1998-Jun-26) Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Smail3.1.29.0 #12) id m0zDUwI-0000dyC; Mon, 31 Aug 98 16:28 METDST Message-Id: From: hm@hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: i4b & 3.0-current In-Reply-To: <199808310952.LAA07626@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de> from Alexander Leidinger at "Aug 31, 98 11:52:21 am" To: netchild@wurzelausix.CS.Uni-SB.DE (Alexander Leidinger) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:28:14 +0200 (METDST) Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From the keyboard of Alexander Leidinger: > I_m new on this list and I want to know if someone uses 3.0-current and > i4b. There sem to be some, such as Gary Jennejohn and Andreas Klemm. > I_ve read on the i4b-page that there_s only limited support for -current > (e.g. pnp). No, it seems to be quite up to date for current. Anyway, PnP support is currently only experimental. > Because I want to buy an isdn-card in the very near future, I need some > advice. I thought about a teles s0 (isa), because it is very cheap, but > it isn_t easy to be sure I get a 16.3 instead of a 16.3c via mailorder. > Is there some effort to support them too? No, not that i know of. Many people are asking for support of the "c" models, butnoone added support for them until now. In case you just want it for *BSD, i can recommend buying an USR Sportster ISDN TA internal otherwise i'd recommend buying an AVM Fritz!Card Classic. They work good for me, but as usual YMMV. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis Tel +49 40 559747-70 HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Fax +49 40 559747-77 Oldesloer Strasse 97-99 Mail hm [at] hcs.de 22457 Hamburg WWW http://www.hcs.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Mon Aug 31 07:42:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA29463 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:42:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sockratte.schell.de ([195.20.238.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA29443 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:41:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sas@schell.de) Received: from guerilla.foo.bar (hennen32s.iserlohn.netsurf.de [194.195.194.226]) by sockratte.schell.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA08902; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:40:52 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.foo.bar [127.0.0.1]) by guerilla.foo.bar (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA01154; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:40:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:40:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Sascha Schumann To: Alexander Leidinger cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: i4b & 3.0-current In-Reply-To: <199808310952.LAA07626@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > Hi, > > I´m new on this list and I want to know if someone uses 3.0-current and > i4b. > I´ve read on the i4b-page that there´s only limited support for -current > (e.g. pnp). > Because I want to buy an isdn-card in the very near future, I need some > advice. I thought about a teles s0 (isa), because it is very cheap, but > it isn´t easy to be sure I get a 16.3 instead of a 16.3c via mailorder. I'm running -current and i4b (snapshot 980710 iirc) since about two months now without any problems. Hardware is a classic AVM A1 (Fritz!). I suggest to avoid Teles, their support sucks big time. -- Sascha > Is there some effort to support them too? > > Bye, > Alexander. > > -- > 2^{F_{h+1}-1} z^{F_{h+2}-1} + 2^{F_{h+1}-2} L_{h-1} z^{F_{h+2}} > + complicated terms + 2^{h-1} z^{2^h - 2} + z^{2^h - 1} > Donald E. Knuth, "The Art of Computer Programming" > http://fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de/~netchild mailto:netchild@studcs.uni-sb.de > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Sep 1 01:36:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA12660 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 01:36:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni-sb.de (uni-sb.de [134.96.252.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA12644 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 01:36:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netchild@wurzelausix.CS.Uni-SB.DE) Received: from cs.uni-sb.de (cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.252.31]) by uni-sb.de (8.9.0/1998052000) with ESMTP id KAA21455; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:34:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (cDJvb0eeUdsxLboPjP7bE2VeME2LKRy/@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.247.1]) by cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.0/1998060300) with ESMTP id KAA08939; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:34:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (IDENT:p0K7UaVFdmxDGKhHcor5H49G6dGqwJWG@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.1/wjp/19980821) with ESMTP id KAA23183; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:34:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199809010834.KAA23183@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:34:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Leidinger Subject: Re: i4b & 3.0-current To: sas@schell.de cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 31 Aug, Sascha Schumann wrote: > I'm running -current and i4b (snapshot 980710 iirc) since about two months > now without any problems. Hardware is a classic AVM A1 (Fritz!). I suggest > to avoid Teles, their support sucks big time. Do you need support for it? Thats not nice to read. What's the problem with it? Bye, Alexander. -- 2^{F_{h+1}-1} z^{F_{h+2}-1} + 2^{F_{h+1}-2} L_{h-1} z^{F_{h+2}} + complicated terms + 2^{h-1} z^{2^h - 2} + z^{2^h - 1} Donald E. Knuth, "The Art of Computer Programming" http://fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de/~netchild mailto:netchild@studcs.uni-sb.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Sep 1 01:53:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14353 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 01:53:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni-sb.de (uni-sb.de [134.96.252.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA14346 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 01:53:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netchild@wurzelausix.CS.Uni-SB.DE) Received: from cs.uni-sb.de (cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.252.31]) by uni-sb.de (8.9.0/1998052000) with ESMTP id KAA21638; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:52:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (5Nz9DcQKYZJg0fUI655boqh8FnxDkPjA@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.247.1]) by cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.0/1998060300) with ESMTP id KAA09141; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:52:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (IDENT:7iadyaqICqaCl/L2modO28LSJLTWulNO@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.1/wjp/19980821) with ESMTP id KAA23413; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:52:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199809010852.KAA23413@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:52:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Leidinger Subject: Re: i4b & 3.0-current To: hm@hcs.de cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 31 Aug, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: >> I_ve read on the i4b-page that there_s only limited support for -current >> (e.g. pnp). > > No, it seems to be quite up to date for current. Anyway, PnP support is > currently only experimental. That's what I mean with "limited". What does "experimental" mean? > No, not that i know of. Many people are asking for support of the "c" > models, butnoone added support for them until now. I think that's because nobody want's to buy a card for which he must write a driver himself. After looking into Linux-ISDN sources (only a short look) my motivation for doing it is 0. It looks like they use another chip. > In case you just want it for *BSD, i can recommend buying an USR Sportster > ISDN TA internal otherwise i'd recommend buying an AVM Fritz!Card Classic. > > They work good for me, but as usual YMMV. I have a look at them... Thanks, Alexander. -- 2^{F_{h+1}-1} z^{F_{h+2}-1} + 2^{F_{h+1}-2} L_{h-1} z^{F_{h+2}} + complicated terms + 2^{h-1} z^{2^h - 2} + z^{2^h - 1} Donald E. Knuth, "The Art of Computer Programming" http://fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de/~netchild mailto:netchild@studcs.uni-sb.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Sep 1 03:08:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA21437 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 03:08:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hcshh.hcs.de (hcshh.hcs.de [194.123.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA21354 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 03:08:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hm@hcs.de) Received: from hcswork.hcs.de([192.76.124.5]) (2062 bytes) by hcshh.hcs.de via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:06:46 +0200 (METDST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2 built 1998-Jun-26) Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Smail3.1.29.0 #12) id m0zDnNK-0000efC; Tue, 1 Sep 98 12:09 METDST Message-Id: From: hm@hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: i4b & 3.0-current In-Reply-To: <199809010852.KAA23413@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de> from Alexander Leidinger at "Sep 1, 98 10:52:01 am" To: netchild@wurzelausix.CS.Uni-SB.DE (Alexander Leidinger) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:09:22 +0200 (METDST) Cc: hm@hcs.de, freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From the keyboard of Alexander Leidinger: > > No, it seems to be quite up to date for current. Anyway, PnP support is > > currently only experimental. > > That's what I mean with "limited". What does "experimental" mean? It means, it runs here or somewhere else, but it might not run on your setup without a bit more or less experimentation. Shall i say more ? > > No, not that i know of. Many people are asking for support of the "c" > > models, butnoone added support for them until now. > > I think that's because nobody want's to buy a card for which he must > write a driver himself. Now tell me, who shall _then_ write a driver for it ? Why do most of the people point anywhere else but not to themselves when there is work to do ? Quite contrary, someone should buy such a card! Its a good motivation to write a driver for it :-) hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis Tel +49 40 559747-70 HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Fax +49 40 559747-77 Oldesloer Strasse 97-99 Mail hm [at] hcs.de 22457 Hamburg WWW http://www.hcs.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Sep 1 04:02:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA27165 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 04:02:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni-sb.de (uni-sb.de [134.96.252.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA27160 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 04:02:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netchild@wurzelausix.CS.Uni-SB.DE) Received: from cs.uni-sb.de (cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.252.31]) by uni-sb.de (8.9.0/1998052000) with ESMTP id NAA22773; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:01:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (ljvK5kgGFOIBcegZ0q+IaXMux4qR1jnW@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.247.1]) by cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.0/1998060300) with ESMTP id NAA10570; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:01:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (IDENT:CCb09gexUAXMgGVsOfrGxEIsxOYM7ULY@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.1/wjp/19980821) with ESMTP id NAA25426; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:01:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199809011101.NAA25426@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:01:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Leidinger Subject: Re: i4b & 3.0-current To: hm@hcs.de cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 1 Sep, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: >> > No, not that i know of. Many people are asking for support of the "c" >> > models, butnoone added support for them until now. >> >> I think that's because nobody want's to buy a card for which he must >> write a driver himself. > > Now tell me, who shall _then_ write a driver for it ? Why do most of the > people point anywhere else but not to themselves when there is work to do ? Perhaps they didn't want to spent their money into something which could fail. Personally I wan't an ISDN-Card, because I think my modem is a little bit slow (getting GIMP with only 28.8 is a pain), and I wan't it now, not in a month. And it's more fun to blame someone else ;) > Quite contrary, someone should buy such a card! Its a good motivation to > write a driver for it :-) It would be a much greater motivation if someone sponsors such a card (IMHO). Bye, Alexander. -- 2^{F_{h+1}-1} z^{F_{h+2}-1} + 2^{F_{h+1}-2} L_{h-1} z^{F_{h+2}} + complicated terms + 2^{h-1} z^{2^h - 2} + z^{2^h - 1} Donald E. Knuth, "The Art of Computer Programming" http://fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de/~netchild mailto:netchild@studcs.uni-sb.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Sep 1 04:25:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA00669 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 04:25:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA00664 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 04:25:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25705; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:24:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id NAA24885; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:24:12 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980901132411.61584@follo.net> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:24:11 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Alexander Leidinger , hm@hcs.de Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: i4b & 3.0-current References: <199809011101.NAA25426@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199809011101.NAA25426@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de>; from Alexander Leidinger on Tue, Sep 01, 1998 at 01:01:20PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Sep 01, 1998 at 01:01:20PM +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > > Quite contrary, someone should buy such a card! Its a good motivation to > > write a driver for it :-) > > It would be a much greater motivation if someone sponsors such a card > (IMHO). What is your address? If you promise to write a driver (and have the technical know-how to do so), I have absolutely no problem in sponsoring a card. The same offer is open to anybody else (stand in line, please :-) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Sep 1 04:52:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA03014 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 04:52:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhost.ah.nl (ahns.mis.ah.nl [141.93.32.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA03009 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 04:52:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leo@x1c19e02.wau.mis.ah.nl) Received: from leobsd.wau.mis.ah.nl(x1c19e02.wau.mis.ah.nl[141.93.34.7]) (1717 bytes) by mailhost.ah.nl via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_bind/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:55:45 +0200 (MZT) (Smail-3.2.0.99 1997-Dec-4 #5 built 1998-Jul-18) Received: (from leo@localhost) by leobsd.wau.mis.ah.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id NAA20486; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:51:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980901135126.32713@wau.mis.ah.nl> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:51:26 +0200 From: Leo Weppelman To: Alexander Leidinger Cc: hm@hcs.de, freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: i4b & 3.0-current References: <199809010852.KAA23413@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <199809010852.KAA23413@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de> from "Alexander Leidinger" on 1998/09/01 10:52 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue 01 Sep 1998, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > On 31 Aug, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: > > > No, not that i know of. Many people are asking for support of the "c" > > models, butnoone added support for them until now. > > I think that's because nobody want's to buy a card for which he must > write a driver himself. After looking into Linux-ISDN sources (only a > short look) my motivation for doing it is 0. It looks like they use > another chip. Umpf... This is a questionable statement on a mailing list like this. It boils down to the fact that you use software provided by a bunch of 'nobody's at no cost to get your ISDN connection up and running. I hope you realize that the reason there _is_ something like i4b _at all_, is because people buy unsupported hardware and start writing drivers that they want to share. Leo. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Sep 1 05:07:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04624 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 05:07:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni-sb.de (uni-sb.de [134.96.252.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04609 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 05:06:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netchild@wurzelausix.CS.Uni-SB.DE) Received: from cs.uni-sb.de (cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.252.31]) by uni-sb.de (8.9.0/1998052000) with ESMTP id OAA23672; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:05:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (Uw0o8RUNxyrtf/gW4Z00tpvgUBJxk/f6@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.247.1]) by cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.0/1998060300) with ESMTP id OAA11686; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:05:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (IDENT:hanhFuRwG8ZH8x2vMryikuj4GyFJ0SUI@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.1/wjp/19980821) with ESMTP id OAA28878; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:05:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199809011205.OAA28878@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:05:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Leidinger Subject: Re: i4b & 3.0-current To: leo@wau.mis.ah.nl cc: hm@hcs.de, freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980901135126.32713@wau.mis.ah.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 1 Sep, Leo Weppelman wrote: > I hope you realize that the reason there _is_ something like i4b _at all_, > is because people buy unsupported hardware and start writing drivers that > they want to share. Yes I do, my snipped statement above was a little bit extreme to be a little bit "more realistic" (the world is bad...). Please don't feel flamed, they do really great work. And after buying a card I'm willing to contribute (testing, bug reports). Bye, Alexander. -- 2^{F_{h+1}-1} z^{F_{h+2}-1} + 2^{F_{h+1}-2} L_{h-1} z^{F_{h+2}} + complicated terms + 2^{h-1} z^{2^h - 2} + z^{2^h - 1} Donald E. Knuth, "The Art of Computer Programming" http://fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de/~netchild mailto:netchild@studcs.uni-sb.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Sep 1 05:09:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04924 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 05:09:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.labcontrol.com (www.labcontrol.com [194.163.70.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA04917 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 05:09:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Marc_van_Woerkom@notes.labcontrol.com) From: Marc_van_Woerkom@notes.labcontrol.com Received: from www.labcontrol.com [194.163.70.129] by mail.labcontrol.com with smtp id HWJFOIOI; Tue, 01 Sep 98 12:08:08 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.02r9) Received: by notes.labcontrol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.4 3-18-1997)) id C1256672.0042ABBA ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:08:13 +0200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: LABCONTROL GMBH To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:08:08 +0200 Subject: Optimizing my i4b installation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marc van Woerkom 01.09.98 14.08 Since a couple of days I have finally gotten ISDN and managed to get i4b running (Teles 16.3 card) in a way that I was able to connect to an ISP (NetCologne). I must say that I am quite impressed with the complex i4b package - *** thanks a lot, Hellmuth! *** The sample configuration files helped me most, I used them as a starting point and browsed the man pages according to the configuration entries. Without them, I would certainly have not succeeded. IMHO, the package would benefit from a combined quickstart / ISDN jargon document (or did I miss something like this in the wealth of documentation? :-) Now that the system runs somehow, I would like to improve the configuration - these questions (some general, some i4b specific) arose so far: - What settings (/etc/hosts, /etc/resolve.conf ..) are recommended for a stand-alone box with no official/granted IP number and no domain name that just connects to an ISP if some outbound connection needed? Right now I use this construct for /etc/hosts: 127.0.0.1 localhost myhost.my.domain 10.0.0.1 myhost.my.domain myhost - Occasionally I want to use the second ISDN channel to speed up transfers - is it possible to painlessly add and remove the second channel while I am doing some enormous data transfer (and will the current transfer benefit from the 2nd channel?) - From time to time I would like to have my network connection not through my main ISP (using ppp) but having it through a friend's system (using HDLC) - maybe even simultaneously - anyone got a clever configuration scheme for this? - My ISP uses a secondwise accounting and charges DM 0.02 to 0.04 per minute (minimum of 0.1 min). It seems I have not configured the i4b accounting utility correctly - is it ok to use 1 as 'charging unit' in this case, or how would you setup the rates file? Regards and many thanks, Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Sep 1 05:38:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA07091 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 05:38:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhost.ah.nl (ahns.mis.ah.nl [141.93.32.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA07086 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 05:38:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leo@x1c19e02.wau.mis.ah.nl) Received: from leobsd.wau.mis.ah.nl(x1c19e02.wau.mis.ah.nl[141.93.34.7]) (2195 bytes) by mailhost.ah.nl via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_bind/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:41:24 +0200 (MZT) (Smail-3.2.0.99 1997-Dec-4 #5 built 1998-Jul-18) Received: (from leo@localhost) by leobsd.wau.mis.ah.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id OAA20639; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:36:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980901143626.40046@wau.mis.ah.nl> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:36:26 +0200 From: Leo Weppelman To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: called-back, rejects and auto hangup Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have had trouble with an ISDN connection to my work for a while now. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it did not. At work, there is an x86/pc running Linux. It has an ISDN connection so we are able to dialin from home. It is configured for callback. When things work, what happens is: My machine (NetBSD/Atari i4b-0.63) dials out -> Machine at work recognises the incoming call, rejects it and starts dialing to me My machine, hangs up (rejected) and recognizes incoming call When things are not working as they should, the actions in the log indicate that the reject never arrives at my machine at home. This means that at my end, the incoming call is not recognized because the connection entry is still active (still dialing....). As fix (stop-gap) I modified i4b to just hangup the line after 2 seconds when dialing out on a calledback connection (see diff below). My question is, is this a reasonable/sensible thing to do? If it is, I think my patch should be expanded a bit with a tunable hangup time (0 == no hangup). Thoughts? Leo. PS: When will the next i4b alpha be released? I'm losing track of the changes a bit ;-) diff -rc i4b/isdnd/fsm.c i4b.org/isdnd/fsm.c *** i4b/isdnd/fsm.c Wed Aug 26 10:45:55 1998 --- i4b.org/isdnd/fsm.c Thu Jun 18 16:46:38 1998 *************** *** 195,205 **** select_first_dialno(cep); sendm_connect_req(cep); - - if (cep->dialouttype == DIALOUT_CALLEDBACK) { - sleep(2); - sendm_disconnect_req(cep, (CAUSET_I4B << 8) | CAUSE_I4B_NORMAL); - } } /*---------------------------------------------------------------------------* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Sep 1 10:03:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10885 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:03:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ppp.net (mail.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10877 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:03:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ernie!bert.kts.org!hm@ppp.net) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc2.ppp.net [194.64.12.42]) by mail.ppp.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA32744; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:02:02 +0200 Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0zDtof-002ZjcC; Tue, 1 Sep 98 19:02 MET DST Received: from bert.kts.org(really [194.55.156.2]) by ernie.kts.org via sendmail with smtp id for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:09:09 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #3 built 1998-Feb-14) Received: by bert.kts.org via sendmail with stdio id for freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:09:07 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #2 built 1998-Aug-25) Message-Id: From: hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup In-Reply-To: <19980901143626.40046@wau.mis.ah.nl> from Leo Weppelman at "Sep 1, 98 02:36:26 pm" To: leo@wau.mis.ah.nl (Leo Weppelman) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:09:07 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Kitchen Table Systems Reply-To: hm@kts.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Leo Weppelman wrote: > PS: When will the next i4b alpha be released? Never. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe A duck is like a bicycle because they both have two wheels except the duck (terry@cs.weber.edu) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Sep 1 13:48:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21836 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:48:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peedub.muc.de (newpc.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21820 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:48:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garyj@peedub.muc.de) Received: from peedub.muc.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by peedub.muc.de (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA11695 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:46:32 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199809012046.WAA11695@peedub.muc.de> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup Reply-To: Gary Jennejohn In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 01 Sep 1998 18:09:07 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 22:46:32 +0200 From: Gary Jennejohn Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hellmuth Michaelis writes: >Leo Weppelman wrote: > >> PS: When will the next i4b alpha be released? > >Never. > does this mean that we're into *beta* testing now ? We could make like M$ and do that for a few years ;-) --- Gary Jennejohn Home - garyj@muc.de Work - garyj@fkr.dec.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Sep 1 13:48:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21903 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:48:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peedub.muc.de (newpc.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21871 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:48:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garyj@peedub.muc.de) Received: from peedub.muc.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by peedub.muc.de (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA09790; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:45:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199809012045.WAA09790@peedub.muc.de> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Eivind Eklund cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: i4b & 3.0-current Reply-To: Gary Jennejohn In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 01 Sep 1998 13:24:11 +0200." <19980901132411.61584@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 22:45:03 +0200 From: Gary Jennejohn Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eivind Eklund writes: >On Tue, Sep 01, 1998 at 01:01:20PM +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: >> > Quite contrary, someone should buy such a card! Its a good motivation to >> > write a driver for it :-) >> >> It would be a much greater motivation if someone sponsors such a card >> (IMHO). > >What is your address? > >If you promise to write a driver (and have the technical know-how to >do so), I have absolutely no problem in sponsoring a card. The same >offer is open to anybody else (stand in line, please :-) > I'll take it. I'm on vacation in October and could hack around with it then (after I _finally_ do the AVM B1 driver :) if you're serious, send me a private E-Mail and I'll send you my snail address. --- Gary Jennejohn Home - garyj@muc.de Work - garyj@fkr.dec.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Sep 1 13:48:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21947 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:48:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peedub.muc.de (newpc.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21940 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garyj@peedub.muc.de) Received: from peedub.muc.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by peedub.muc.de (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA23627; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:23:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199809012023.WAA23627@peedub.muc.de> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: hm@hcs.de cc: netchild@wurzelausix.CS.Uni-SB.DE (Alexander Leidinger), freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: i4b & 3.0-current Reply-To: Gary Jennejohn In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 01 Sep 1998 12:09:22 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 22:23:13 +0200 From: Gary Jennejohn Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hellmuth Michaelis writes: >>From the keyboard of Alexander Leidinger: [snip] >> I think that's because nobody want's to buy a card for which he must >> write a driver himself. > >Now tell me, who shall _then_ write a driver for it ? Why do most of the >people point anywhere else but not to themselves when there is work to do ? > you took the words right out of my mouth :-) >Quite contrary, someone should buy such a card! Its a good motivation to >write a driver for it :-) > hah ! Or, send a card to someone who's willing to write a driver. That's how ATAPI support got into -current - someone provided the HW to sos. --- Gary Jennejohn Home - garyj@muc.de Work - garyj@fkr.dec.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Sep 1 14:18:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26823 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:18:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peedub.muc.de (newpc.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26818 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:18:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garyj@peedub.muc.de) Received: from peedub.muc.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by peedub.muc.de (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA13351 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:48:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199809012048.WAA13351@peedub.muc.de> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup Reply-To: Gary Jennejohn In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 01 Sep 1998 14:36:26 +0200." <19980901143626.40046@wau.mis.ah.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 22:48:29 +0200 From: Gary Jennejohn Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Leo Weppelman writes: >I have had trouble with an ISDN connection to my work for a while now. >Sometimes it worked, sometimes it did not. At work, there is an x86/pc >running Linux. It has an ISDN connection so we are able to dialin from >home. It is configured for callback. When things work, what happens is: > My machine (NetBSD/Atari i4b-0.63) dials out > -> Machine at work recognises the incoming call, rejects it and > starts dialing to me > My machine, hangs up (rejected) and recognizes incoming call > >When things are not working as they should, the actions in the log >indicate that the reject never arrives at my machine at home. This means >that at my end, the incoming call is not recognized because the connection >entry is still active (still dialing....). > are you certain that the new incoming call doesn't arrive _before_ the reject does ? I've seen that here a few times. That really confuses isdnd and the kernel. --- Gary Jennejohn Home - garyj@muc.de Work - garyj@fkr.dec.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Sep 1 14:18:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26866 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:18:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peedub.muc.de (newpc.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26858 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:18:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garyj@peedub.muc.de) Received: from peedub.muc.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by peedub.muc.de (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA29311; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:10:16 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199809012110.XAA29311@peedub.muc.de> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Marc_van_Woerkom@notes.labcontrol.com cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Optimizing my i4b installation Reply-To: Gary Jennejohn In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 01 Sep 1998 14:08:08 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 23:10:16 +0200 From: Gary Jennejohn Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marc_van_Woerkom@notes.labcontrol.com writes: [snip] >- What settings (/etc/hosts, /etc/resolve.conf ..) are > recommended for a stand-alone box with no > official/granted IP number and no domain name that > just connects to an ISP if some outbound connection needed? > > Right now I use this construct for /etc/hosts: > > 127.0.0.1 localhost myhost.my.domain > 10.0.0.1 myhost.my.domain myhost > in /etc/host.conf put ``hosts'' first followed by ``bind''. That way you'll end up using your /etc/hosts file in preference to any name server. In /etc/resolv.conf put in an entry pointing at your ISP's name server (he _does_ have one, I hope, and you do know its address ?) >- Occasionally I want to use the second ISDN channel to > speed up transfers - is it possible to painlessly > add and remove the second channel while I am doing > some enormous data transfer (and will the current > transfer benefit from the 2nd channel?) > MPPP isn't supported. Eivind Ecklund is working on adding it. You can use the second channel to go to a different target, e.g. call your friend while you're grabbing something through your ISP. This is also known as channel bundling. >- From time to time I would like to have my network connection > not through my main ISP (using ppp) but having it through > a friend's system (using HDLC) - maybe even simultaneously - > anyone got a clever configuration scheme for this? > set up one of the ipr interfaces to point directly to your friend and put an entry into the isdnd.rc file for him. I do this all the time. This is especially easy if you add an entry into /etc/hosts for him with the same IP address as you assign to the ipr interface. Then just do ``telnet myfriend'', for example. If you set up the interface correctly it should dial out to him. >- My ISP uses a secondwise accounting and charges DM 0.02 to > 0.04 per minute (minimum of 0.1 min). It seems I have not > configured the i4b accounting utility correctly - is it > ok to use 1 as 'charging unit' in this case, or how would > you setup the rates file? > I'd just convert so that it corresponds to a unit a la the Telekom, i.e. the Telekom charges 12 pf per unit and the units vary from 90 to 240 seconds. Just figure out what would be equivalent and use that in the rates file. --- Gary Jennejohn Home - garyj@muc.de Work - garyj@fkr.dec.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Sep 1 20:22:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA23422 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:22:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA23409 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:22:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA22481 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 2 Sep 1998 04:59:56 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id AAA01632; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:20:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199809012220.AAA01632@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: i4b & 3.0-current In-Reply-To: <199809012023.WAA23627@peedub.muc.de> from Gary Jennejohn at "Sep 1, 98 10:23:13 pm" To: garyj@muc.de Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:20:47 +0200 (CEST) Cc: hm@hcs.de, netchild@wurzelausix.CS.Uni-SB.DE, freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As Gary Jennejohn wrote... > Hellmuth Michaelis writes: > >>From the keyboard of Alexander Leidinger: > >Quite contrary, someone should buy such a card! Its a good motivation to > >write a driver for it :-) > > > > hah ! Or, send a card to someone who's willing to write a driver. That's > how ATAPI support got into -current - someone provided the HW to sos. Well, actually Walnut Creek paid for a number of them. Myself (probably amongst others) scrounged together a number of different drive types from surplus auctions and sent them of to sos. But WC paid, we should thank them for that! Wilko 'SCSI only' Bulte ;-) _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW : http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Sep 1 23:37:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA24786 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:37:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhost.ah.nl (ahns.mis.ah.nl [141.93.32.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA24780 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:37:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leo@x1c19e02.wau.mis.ah.nl) Received: from leobsd.wau.mis.ah.nl(x1c19e02.wau.mis.ah.nl[141.93.34.7]) (1685 bytes) by mailhost.ah.nl via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_bind/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:40:37 +0200 (MZT) (Smail-3.2.0.99 1997-Dec-4 #5 built 1998-Jul-18) Received: (from leo@localhost) by leobsd.wau.mis.ah.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id IAA24163; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:35:32 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980902083531.00790@wau.mis.ah.nl> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:35:31 +0200 From: Leo Weppelman To: Gary Jennejohn Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup References: <19980901143626.40046@wau.mis.ah.nl> <199809012048.WAA13351@peedub.muc.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <199809012048.WAA13351@peedub.muc.de> from "Gary Jennejohn" on 1998/09/01 22:48 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue 01 Sep 1998, Gary Jennejohn wrote: > Leo Weppelman writes: > >When things are not working as they should, the actions in the log > >indicate that the reject never arrives at my machine at home. This means > >that at my end, the incoming call is not recognized because the connection > >entry is still active (still dialing....). > > > > are you certain that the new incoming call doesn't arrive _before_ the > reject does ? I've seen that here a few times. That really confuses > isdnd and the kernel. That happened too a few times, isn't isdn wonderfull ;-) Most of the error cases however show that no reject arrives and after about 20-30 secs. a disconnect comes in with a 'no user responding' error. So when I set the number of retries on the other side high enough, eventually I get in. After I added the 'auto hangup' I can get connect in about 4 secs! Leo. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Sep 1 23:40:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25601 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:40:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhost.ah.nl (ahns.mis.ah.nl [141.93.32.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA25589 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:40:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leo@x1c19e02.wau.mis.ah.nl) Received: from leobsd.wau.mis.ah.nl(x1c19e02.wau.mis.ah.nl[141.93.34.7]) (959 bytes) by mailhost.ah.nl via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_bind/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:43:52 +0200 (MZT) (Smail-3.2.0.99 1997-Dec-4 #5 built 1998-Jul-18) Received: (from leo@localhost) by leobsd.wau.mis.ah.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id IAA24180; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:38:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980902083847.45247@wau.mis.ah.nl> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:38:47 +0200 From: Leo Weppelman To: hm@kts.org Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup References: <19980901143626.40046@wau.mis.ah.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: from "Hellmuth Michaelis" on 1998/09/01 18:09 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue 01 Sep 1998, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: > Leo Weppelman wrote: > > > PS: When will the next i4b alpha be released? > > Never. Is i4b entering the Beta-quadrant ;-) Leo. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Sep 2 00:47:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA07644 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:47:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gorilla.mchh.siemens.de (gorilla.mchh.siemens.de [194.138.158.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA07638 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:47:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas.gaertner.gp@oen.siemens.de) Received: from moody.mchh.siemens.de (moody-i.mchh.siemens.de [194.138.158.26]) by gorilla.mchh.siemens.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA09837 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:46:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from uebemc.siemens.de (root@popey.mchh3.oen.siemens.de [132.29.3.155]) by moody.mchh.siemens.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA22023 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:50:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from egnetz (serverrt) by uebemc.siemens.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09742; Wed, 2 Sep 98 09:45:21 +0200 Received: from s71ee26 by egnetz (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.1) id JAA12257; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:45:14 +0200 Received: from localhost by s71ee26 (SMI-8.6/NFS-Client-1.0) id JAA04437; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:45:19 +0200 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:45:19 +0200 (MET DST) From: Anderl To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: incoming alert Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, i'm running 2.2.6 and i4b0.63/fritz!card without any problems. however there's a message brought up by isdnd every time a connection is established of which i don't know whether it is one i should concern about or not: 'incoming alert' does anybody know what that means? thanks in advance for any hints, regards, anderl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Sep 2 01:25:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA13669 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 01:25:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.30.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA13637 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 01:25:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA13389; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:24:39 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from kuku) Message-ID: <19980902102439.F13231@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:24:39 +0200 From: Christoph Kukulies To: Anderl , freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: incoming alert References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91 In-Reply-To: ; from Anderl on Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 09:45:19AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 09:45:19AM +0200, Anderl wrote: > > hi, > > i'm running 2.2.6 and i4b0.63/fritz!card without any problems. however > there's a message brought up by isdnd every time a connection is > established of which i don't know whether it is one i should concern about > or not: > > 'incoming alert' Ha! Another one finding this message confusing. :-) I vote for removing this message without replacement or change it to some more benign diction. > > does anybody know what that means? I was told it means that the called site answers the call. (Which of course is not the same as calling back). Or should I say, the called site takes off the hook? > > thanks in advance for any hints, regards, > > > anderl > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message -- Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Sep 2 05:03:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA06061 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 05:03:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ppp.net (mail.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA06056 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 05:03:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ernie!bert.kts.org!hm@ppp.net) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc2.ppp.net [194.64.12.42]) by mail.ppp.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA19083 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:02:02 +0200 Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0zEBbt-002ZjZC; Wed, 2 Sep 98 14:02 MET DST Received: from bert.kts.org(really [194.55.156.2]) by ernie.kts.org via sendmail with smtp id for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:40:54 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #3 built 1998-Feb-14) Received: by bert.kts.org via sendmail with stdio id for freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:40:52 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #2 built 1998-Aug-25) Message-Id: From: hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup In-Reply-To: From hm at "Sep 1, 98 06:09:07 pm" To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG (ISDN for BSD) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:40:52 +0200 (CEST) Organization: Kitchen Table Systems Reply-To: hm@kts.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > PS: When will the next i4b alpha be released? > > Never. Reality check: how many people care ? Answer: four. I plan to release the next one as beta status. I have currently no idea when this will be. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe A duck is like a bicycle because they both have two wheels except the duck (terry@cs.weber.edu) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Sep 2 05:06:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA06335 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 05:06:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ppp.net (mail.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA06330 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 05:06:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ernie!bert.kts.org!hm@ppp.net) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc2.ppp.net [194.64.12.42]) by mail.ppp.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA19089; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:02:04 +0200 Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0zEBbv-002ZjZC; Wed, 2 Sep 98 14:02 MET DST Received: from bert.kts.org(really [194.55.156.2]) by ernie.kts.org via sendmail with smtp id for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:31:18 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #3 built 1998-Feb-14) Received: by bert.kts.org via sendmail with stdio id for freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:31:17 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #2 built 1998-Aug-25) Message-Id: From: hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: incoming alert In-Reply-To: <19980902102439.F13231@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from Christoph Kukulies at "Sep 2, 98 10:24:39 am" To: kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Christoph Kukulies) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:31:17 +0200 (CEST) Cc: andreas.gaertner.gp@oen.siemens.de, freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Kitchen Table Systems Reply-To: hm@kts.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > 'incoming alert' > > Ha! Another one finding this message confusing. :-) I vote for removing this > message without replacement or change it to some more benign diction. Yes, i think i'll remove it. > > does anybody know what that means? > > I was told it means that the called site answers the call. Not quite. It is an indication that it "rings" at the remote end (which is a bit uncommon IMO). hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe A duck is like a bicycle because they both have two wheels except the duck (terry@cs.weber.edu) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Sep 2 05:28:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA08951 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 05:28:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from td.topcon.de ([194.231.150.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA08944 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 05:28:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sd@topcon.de) Received: from plasmabook.topcon.de (pid@http.doppelpunkt.slash.slash.www.mailserver.de [194.231.147.7]) by td.topcon.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA02854 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:26:48 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 14:24:11 +0100 From: Sascha Droste Organization: TOPCON Deutschland GmbH X-Mailer: PostMe 1.1 To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1.1.02091998.142411.1.0.AA.0@mx.topcon.de> X-Sender: pid@mx.topcon.de (Unverified) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id FAA08946 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org info /* Sascha Droste Software Engineer / EDV-Leiter TOPCON Deutschland GmbH Halskestrasse 7 47877 Willich T: +49 (2154) 929-153 F: +49 (2154) 929-111 M: sd@topcon.de */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Sep 2 06:32:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA19275 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:32:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from theory.cs.uni-bonn.de (theory.cs.uni-bonn.de [131.220.4.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA19268 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:32:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ignatios@theory.cs.uni-bonn.de) Received: from cauchy.cs.uni-bonn.de (cauchy.cs.uni-bonn.de [131.220.4.169]) by theory.cs.uni-bonn.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25418; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:30:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (ignatios@localhost) by cauchy.cs.uni-bonn.de (8.8.8/8.6.9) id PAA26529; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:30:37 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980902153036.B25915@cs.uni-bonn.de> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:30:36 +0200 From: Ignatios Souvatzis To: hm@kts.org, ISDN for BSD Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Hellmuth Michaelis on Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 01:40:52PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 01:40:52PM +0200, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: > > > > PS: When will the next i4b alpha be released? > > > > Never. > > Reality check: how many people care ? Answer: four. five :-) -is To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Sep 2 07:01:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23301 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:01:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhost.charite.de (barrier-17.charite.de [193.175.73.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA23296 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:01:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uwp@ukrv.de) Received: by mailhost.charite.de (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/08Mar95-0213PM) id AA21010; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:00:29 +0200 Received: from postamt1.charite.de(193.175.70.246) by mailhost.charite.de via smap (V1.3-PCG 08/1998) id sma021050; Wed Sep 2 16:00:13 1998 Received: by postamt1.charite.de; (5.65/1.1.8.2/16Aug95-0231PM) id AA03933; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:00:13 +0200 Message-Id: <9809021400.AA03933@postamt1.charite.de> Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup In-Reply-To: from Hellmuth Michaelis at "Sep 2, 98 01:40:52 pm" To: hm@kts.org Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:00:13 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: isdn@FreeBSD.ORG From: uwp@charite.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Reality check: how many people care ? Answer: four. Maybe me too: five. I have only one problem: Where's the difference between alpha & beta ? Is alpha that stable that you think: "Ok, let's call it beta." ? I never understood these terms. > I plan to release the next one as beta status. I have currently no idea > when this will be. Someone said, you could test it like M$ for years in the beta status. This is incorrect. If a piece of software reaches beta status M$ begins to sell it. Hopefully you won't follow them. :-) Bye, Udo -- Udo Wolter, email: uwp@i.am, www: http://i.am/uwp !!!! LOW-TECH Page: http://hello.to/low-tech !!!! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Sep 2 07:03:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23589 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:03:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rossel.solplus.de (rossel.solplus.de [195.125.160.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23582 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:03:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doehrm@aubi.de) Received: from igate.aubi.de (root@igate.aubi.de [193.24.63.232]) by rossel.solplus.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA27537; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:01:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from exchange.aubi.de ([170.56.121.91]) by igate.aubi.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA14883; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:05:26 +0200 Received: by EXCHANGE.aubi.de with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:59:35 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Markus_D=F6hr?= To: Ignatios Souvatzis , hm@kts.org, ISDN for BSD Subject: AW: called-back, rejects and auto hangup Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:58:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id HAA23584 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Ignatios Souvatzis [mailto:ignatios@theory.cs.uni-bonn.de] > Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 2. September 1998 15:31 > An: hm@kts.org; ISDN for BSD > Betreff: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup > > On Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 01:40:52PM +0200, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: > > > > > > PS: When will the next i4b alpha be released? > > > > > > Never. > > > > Reality check: how many people care ? Answer: four. > > five :-) no, I think six... Markus Döhr IT Admin AUBI Baubeschläge GmbH Tel.: 06503/917-152 Fax : 06503/917-119 doehrm@aubi.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Sep 2 07:25:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA26321 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:25:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.scancall.no (www.scancall.no [195.139.183.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA26315 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:25:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no) Received: from super2.langesund.scancall.no [195.139.183.29] by www with smtp id HXCWNDMK; Wed, 02 Sep 98 14:24:41 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.04r6) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980902162105.0090f910@mail.scancall.no> X-Sender: Marius@mail.scancall.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 16:21:05 +0200 To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG From: Marius Bendiksen Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup In-Reply-To: <19980902153036.B25915@cs.uni-bonn.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> Reality check: how many people care ? Answer: four. >five :-) six --- Marius Bendiksen, IT-Trainee, ScanCall AS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Sep 2 08:10:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03916 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:10:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from foehn.plesnik.bonsai.de (www.plesnik.de [195.4.37.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03908 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:10:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vas@plesnik.de) Received: from localhost (vas@localhost) by foehn.plesnik.bonsai.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA15234; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:11:36 +0200 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:11:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Volker Seebode X-Sender: vas@foehn.plesnik.bonsai.de To: Marius Bendiksen cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980902162105.0090f910@mail.scancall.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Marius Bendiksen wrote: Marius.Bendiksen>>> Reality check: how many people care ? Answer: four. Marius.Bendiksen>>five :-) Marius.Bendiksen> Marius.Bendiksen>six seven ;-) ============================================================================ Volker Seebode Phone: +49- 241/14946-14 Ing.-Buro Dr. Plesnik GmbH Fax: +49- 241/14946-39 Roermonder Strasse 615 Email: vas@plesnik.de 52072 Aachen Germany ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- PGP public key fingerprint: 25 AB 61 5C 9A 26 93 12 1C 5A 50 A2 29 00 61 C1 PGP public key is available via finger vas@mail.plesnik.de or PGP keyservers ============================================================================ If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people together to collect wood and don't assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless immensity of the sea. -- Antoine de Saint Exupery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Sep 2 09:01:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA12420 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:01:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hcshh.hcs.de (hcshh.hcs.de [194.123.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA12410 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:01:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hm@hcs.de) Received: from hcswork.hcs.de([192.76.124.5]) (1756 bytes) by hcshh.hcs.de via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:59:45 +0200 (METDST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2 built 1998-Jun-26) Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Smail3.1.29.0 #12) id m0zEFMO-0000efC; Wed, 2 Sep 98 18:02 METDST Message-Id: From: hm@hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup In-Reply-To: <9809021400.AA03933@postamt1.charite.de> from "uwp@charite.de" at "Sep 2, 98 04:00:13 pm" To: uwp@charite.de Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:02:16 +0200 (METDST) Cc: hm@kts.org, isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From the keyboard of uwp@charite.de: > I have only one problem: Where's the difference between > alpha & beta ? Is alpha that stable that you think: "Ok, let's call it > beta." ? Exactly. Beta is reached when i think its not alpha anymore. Seriously, AFAIK, with products in beta, no new features are added but only bugs are fixed until the final release. This is a bit different here. I choose to call it alpha until now to keep a special kind of contemporary away from this code. Now i call it beta, and this keeps all the people away from this code, who have no idea what alpha means but beta ;-) hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis Tel +49 40 559747-70 HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Fax +49 40 559747-77 Oldesloer Strasse 97-99 Mail hm [at] hcs.de 22457 Hamburg WWW http://www.hcs.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Sep 2 11:03:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05428 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:03:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ppp.net (mail.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05409 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:03:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ernie!bert.kts.org!hm@ppp.net) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc2.ppp.net [194.64.12.42]) by mail.ppp.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA28676; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:02:07 +0200 Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0zEHEN-002ZjZC; Wed, 2 Sep 98 20:02 MET DST Received: from bert.kts.org(really [194.55.156.2]) by ernie.kts.org via sendmail with smtp id for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:59:55 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #3 built 1998-Feb-14) Received: by bert.kts.org via sendmail with stdio id for freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:59:54 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #2 built 1998-Aug-25) Message-Id: From: hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: monitoring calls In-Reply-To: <199808310920.LAA04145@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE> from Christoph Kukulies at "Aug 31, 98 11:20:57 am" To: kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Christoph Kukulies) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:59:54 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Kitchen Table Systems Reply-To: hm@kts.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Christoph Kukulies wrote: > bisdn had the 'feature' to log also incoming connections on the S0 > bus that were not destined to the host running bisdn, i.e. I could see from > the log file or the logging ttyvx that another source has dialed in > thus finding the cause when two channels were already busy. This should work the same way with i4b. > How can I configure (without large logging overhead) find out in isdn4bsd > what numbers were dialing in on the bus? It should appear in the logfile, doesn't it ? > And better yet, to throw up an ever lasting question: Where is the > entry point to build some channel monitoring, The entry point is the monitor facility Martin started. In fact, one can do almost everything one wants, someone has just to write the code. Monitoring will be enhanced a bit in the next release but it is still not top priority on my list of things. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe A duck is like a bicycle because they both have two wheels except the duck (terry@cs.weber.edu) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Sep 2 11:03:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05446 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:03:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ppp.net (mail.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05412 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:03:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ernie!bert.kts.org!hm@ppp.net) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc2.ppp.net [194.64.12.42]) by mail.ppp.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA28670; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:02:01 +0200 Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0zEHEG-002ZjZC; Wed, 2 Sep 98 20:02 MET DST Received: from bert.kts.org(really [194.55.156.2]) by ernie.kts.org via sendmail with smtp id for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:55:23 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #3 built 1998-Feb-14) Received: by bert.kts.org via sendmail with stdio id for freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:55:22 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #2 built 1998-Aug-25) Message-Id: From: hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup In-Reply-To: <19980901143626.40046@wau.mis.ah.nl> from Leo Weppelman at "Sep 1, 98 02:36:26 pm" To: leo@wau.mis.ah.nl (Leo Weppelman) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:55:22 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Kitchen Table Systems Reply-To: hm@kts.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Leo Weppelman wrote: > When things are not working as they should, the actions in the log > indicate that the reject never arrives at my machine at home. This means > that at my end, the incoming call is not recognized because the connection > entry is still active (still dialing....). If i recall it correctly, a non-answered SETUP takes 8 seconds to cause a reaction at the remote end. Then you should at least 10..12 seconds after the initial call to the remote receive something. If not, something is wrong, wherever it is. > As fix (stop-gap) I modified i4b to just hangup the line after 2 seconds > when dialing out on a calledback connection (see diff below). This _might_ be an idea, but i find it a bit strange ... > My question is, is this a reasonable/sensible thing to do? If it is, I > think my patch should be expanded a bit with a tunable hangup time (0 == > no hangup). If this is really a fix for your problem and does not overlay a bug in i4b (or your PBX or so) then it seems to be something which can be added. But i'm still not convinced it is good to add it, would you please send me an isdntrace output for a failure ? hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe A duck is like a bicycle because they both have two wheels except the duck (terry@cs.weber.edu) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Sep 2 11:26:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07593 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:26:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippo.unna.ping.de (zippo.unna.ping.de [195.37.121.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07578 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:26:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oskar@zippo.unna.ping.de) Received: from zippo.unna.ping.de (oskar@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippo.unna.ping.de (8.8.4/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA09774 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:25:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199809021825.UAA09774@zippo.unna.ping.de> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/24/97 To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG From: Jan-Hinrich Fessel X-Face: 'NlN?Dkb1WA4Fdbh(T&Okll'P?h$Ak1{5,LHx<2=v@!qg.G~6G?;]y`C/D#x5"GWN_.U4PA >rlR=V&h576tqk7-~tfGVVtZrybdmaG|iki>{4Kd&ra/d$&vleXP;y/Z"?4Q|$q?{T}SW]_bUHZmcH &C1^iA\&{>h66//IRsKzy[+f}l-:wc6T\Eg,Xc={E8Q\q"AqsV!!YG*/_fMcSlUw0pZ6j!KBMSTzz" Wd}uG:Zv#)gV?IGi^^fW0<`sO2D_MKP]gzx_\o%m<|~^+U>tu,)`*OJ]3n&@!K Subject: ISDN PRI Support anyone? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1898622272P"; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 20:25:23 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-1898622272P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hej! Is anyone interested to write support for a PRI card in i4b? The operating system of choice will be netbsd. The purpose will be dial out under script control (i.e. not neccessarily triggered through network interfaces) with debugging possibilities for all ports. And it should be possible to do all the things we can do now with i4b. And yes, the final code will be under the NetBSD and/or FreeBSD copyright and is destined to go into i4b, so there should be some kind of coordination with hm. Gruesse Oskar --==_Exmh_-1898622272P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.3i iQCVAwUBNe2NkrA63tqjeAhZAQHFJwP/bTJhWMChWVxYTLrz4/jQMkysvF01C3a2 dIiSB0Q08xkwvzuxl22sjSsA4ssTko9GiRbyCAnL4LbfetYGrMH504RpJmFsfaAL 13fo6QC+Q010xdo84H+z3XgNYiQv1PEMBmeP/wzrLZ//tW2BonCgWwtl/5ZH5tY4 YFKvN0bLbjA= =G8nb -----END PGP MESSAGE----- --==_Exmh_-1898622272P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Sep 2 12:50:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23011 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:50:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peedub.muc.de (newpc.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23001 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:50:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garyj@peedub.muc.de) Received: from peedub.muc.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by peedub.muc.de (8.9.1/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA00677 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:25:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199809021925.VAA00677@peedub.muc.de> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: i4b & 3.0-current Reply-To: Gary Jennejohn In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Sep 1998 00:20:47 +0200." <199809012220.AAA01632@yedi.iaf.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 21:25:30 +0200 From: Gary Jennejohn Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte writes: >As Gary Jennejohn wrote... >> Hellmuth Michaelis writes: >> >>From the keyboard of Alexander Leidinger: > >> >Quite contrary, someone should buy such a card! Its a good motivation to >> >write a driver for it :-) >> > >> >> hah ! Or, send a card to someone who's willing to write a driver. That's >> how ATAPI support got into -current - someone provided the HW to sos. > >Well, actually Walnut Creek paid for a number of them. Myself (probably >amongst others) scrounged together a number of different drive types >from surplus auctions and sent them of to sos. > >But WC paid, we should thank them for that! > well, OK. But Soren didn't pay, that's what counts. --- Gary Jennejohn Home - garyj@muc.de Work - garyj@fkr.dec.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Sep 2 13:05:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24246 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:05:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhost.ah.nl (ahns.mis.ah.nl [141.93.32.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA24224 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:04:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leo@x1c19e02.wau.mis.ah.nl) Received: from leobsd.wau.mis.ah.nl(x1c19e02.wau.mis.ah.nl[141.93.34.7]) (3184 bytes) by mailhost.ah.nl via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_bind/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:08:19 +0200 (MZT) (Smail-3.2.0.99 1997-Dec-4 #5 built 1998-Jul-18) Received: (from leo@localhost) by leobsd.wau.mis.ah.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id WAA25790; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:03:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980902220352.22500@wau.mis.ah.nl> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:03:52 +0200 From: Leo Weppelman To: hm@kts.org Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup References: <19980901143626.40046@wau.mis.ah.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: from "Hellmuth Michaelis" on 1998/09/02 18:55 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Note: trace send to Hellmuth only - it's about 25Kb. If you really want it too, please ask ;-) On Wed 02 Sep 1998, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: > Leo Weppelman wrote: > > > When things are not working as they should, the actions in the log > > indicate that the reject never arrives at my machine at home. This means > > that at my end, the incoming call is not recognized because the connection > > entry is still active (still dialing....). > > If i recall it correctly, a non-answered SETUP takes 8 seconds to cause > a reaction at the remote end. Then you should at least 10..12 seconds after > the initial call to the remote receive something. If not, something is > wrong, wherever it is. The trace, as I read it, basically says: 21:19:40 SETUP from home to work 21:19:45 ALERT from work [ this was the 'ringing' - other thread ? ] 21:19:45 - Other end rejects and hangs up (as seen in the remote logs) 21:19:47 INCOMING call from remote, not accepted by i4b (entry busy) ....... various retries from remote 21:21 !! DISCONNECT from initial dial-out Well, at this time the remote had already given up - who wouldn't ;-) > > As fix (stop-gap) I modified i4b to just hangup the line after 2 seconds > > when dialing out on a calledback connection (see diff below). > > This _might_ be an idea, but i find it a bit strange ... Yes and no... By calling the remote and hanging up fairly soon afterwards, the remote has enough info to decide it's actions. I really don't even _want_ the call to be answered. What _is_ strange is the fact that the reject and hangup do not reach my machine at home. The cause of action I took was inspired by an expirienced Linux isdn user who showed me that this this was the way it works in Linux too. Wether this is based on experiences like this or just 'thought up' as a nice feature, I was unable to find out. That's why I'm seeking opinions ;-) > > My question is, is this a reasonable/sensible thing to do? If it is, I > > think my patch should be expanded a bit with a tunable hangup time (0 == > > no hangup). > > If this is really a fix for your problem and does not overlay a bug in i4b > (or your PBX or so) then it seems to be something which can be added. On my end, the Teles is directly connected to the NT1. At work, things are more complicated I guess. I think I am unable to find it out exactly... Leo. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Sep 2 13:50:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02054 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:50:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peedub.muc.de (newpc.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02042 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:50:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garyj@peedub.muc.de) Received: from peedub.muc.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by peedub.muc.de (8.9.1/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA00814 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:23:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199809022023.WAA00814@peedub.muc.de> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISDN PRI Support anyone? Reply-To: Gary Jennejohn In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Sep 1998 20:25:23 +0200." <199809021825.UAA09774@zippo.unna.ping.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:23:34 +0200 From: Gary Jennejohn Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan-Hinrich Fessel writes: >--==_Exmh_-1898622272P >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > >Hej! >Is anyone interested to write support for a PRI card in i4b? The operating >system of choice will be netbsd. The purpose will be dial out under script >control (i.e. not neccessarily triggered through network interfaces) with >debugging possibilities for all ports. And it should be possible to do all >the things we can do now with i4b. >And yes, the final code will be under the NetBSD and/or FreeBSD copyright and >is destined to go into i4b, so there should be some kind of coordination with >hm. > how to test without a PRI hookup ? And without a running NetBSD system (in my case). Do you have all the documentation for the card ? --- Gary Jennejohn Home - garyj@muc.de Work - garyj@fkr.dec.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Sep 2 13:56:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02703 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:56:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02695 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:56:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from martin@rumolt.teuto.de) Received: from rumolt.teuto.de (root@rumolt.teuto.de [194.77.23.161]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA15205; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:55:24 +0200 Received: (from martin@localhost) by rumolt.teuto.de (8.8.8/8.8.7) id WAA03491; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:49:34 +0200 (MEST) From: Martin Husemann Message-Id: <199809022049.WAA03491@rumolt.teuto.de> Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup To: hm@kts.org Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:49:34 +0200 (MEST) Cc: leo@wau.mis.ah.nl, freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Hellmuth Michaelis" at Sep 2, 98 06:55:22 pm Organization: Crusaders Catering Services Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > If this is really a fix for your problem and does not overlay a bug in i4b > (or your PBX or so) then it seems to be something which can be added. This looks more like a bug on the remote site (the Linux ISDN or the PBX at your work) to me, could you arrange for another system doing an isdntrace (bidirectional) at that site? Martin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Sep 2 23:12:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA23828 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:12:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.30.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA23813 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:12:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.8.8/8.8.7) id IAA18204; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:11:16 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from kuku) Message-ID: <19980903081115.B18179@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:11:15 +0200 From: Christoph Kukulies To: hm@kts.org, Christoph Kukulies Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: monitoring calls References: <199808310920.LAA04145@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91 In-Reply-To: ; from Hellmuth Michaelis on Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 06:59:54PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 06:59:54PM +0200, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: > Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > > bisdn had the 'feature' to log also incoming connections on the S0 > > bus that were not destined to the host running bisdn, i.e. I could see from > > the log file or the logging ttyvx that another source has dialed in > > thus finding the cause when two channels were already busy. > > This should work the same way with i4b. > > > How can I configure (without large logging overhead) find out in isdn4bsd > > what numbers were dialing in on the bus? > > It should appear in the logfile, doesn't it ? All I can see at the moment is something like Aug 31 11:36:01 isdn-kukulies /kernel: i4b-L2-i4b_tei_assign: tx TEI ID_Request Aug 31 11:36:03 isdn-kukulies /kernel: i4b-L2-i4b_T202_timeout: unit 0, N202 = 3 Aug 31 11:36:03 isdn-kukulies /kernel: i4b-L2-i4b_tei_assign: tx TEI ID_Request Aug 31 11:36:03 isdn-kukulies /kernel: i4b-L2-i4b_tei_rx_frame: TEI ID Assign - TEI = 97 in /var/log/messages OK, I will read the manual to find out. > > > And better yet, to throw up an ever lasting question: Where is the > > entry point to build some channel monitoring, > > The entry point is the monitor facility Martin started. In fact, one can do > almost everything one wants, someone has just to write the code. > > Monitoring will be enhanced a bit in the next release but it is still not > top priority on my list of things. > > hellmuth > -- > Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe > A duck is like a bicycle because they both have two wheels except the duck > (terry@cs.weber.edu) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message -- Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Sep 3 01:21:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA10878 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:21:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.scancall.no (www.scancall.no [195.139.183.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA10859 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:21:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no) Received: from super2.langesund.scancall.no [195.139.183.29] by www with smtp id HXRTGDBJ; Thu, 03 Sep 98 08:20:07 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.04r6) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980903101629.00959e90@mail.scancall.no> X-Sender: Marius@mail.scancall.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 10:16:29 +0200 To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG From: Marius Bendiksen Subject: using i4b with cron scripts to pay bills through a DTMF interface Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is this possible? If so, how can I do it? --- Marius Bendiksen, IT-Trainee, ScanCall AS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Sep 3 01:41:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA13604 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:41:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.labcontrol.com (www.labcontrol.com [194.163.70.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA13556 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:41:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Marc_van_Woerkom@notes.labcontrol.com) From: Marc_van_Woerkom@notes.labcontrol.com Received: from www.labcontrol.com [194.163.70.129] by mail.labcontrol.com with smtp id HXRXUJYI; Thu, 03 Sep 98 08:39:40 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.02r9) Received: by notes.labcontrol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.4 3-18-1997)) id C1256674.002F921F ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:39:36 +0200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: LABCONTROL GMBH To: kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:39:34 +0200 Subject: Re: incoming alert Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marc van Woerkom 03.09.98 10.39 > > 'incoming alert' > > Ha! Another one finding this message confusing. :-) Add me. > Or should I say, the called site takes off the hook? Yesterday I was moved from a demo to a regular account and noticed this msg the first time. I assumed that this 'incoming alert' might be related to the transfer of 'total cost information' after a call, supplied by the phone company and thus changed my response scheme for incoming calls from ignore to accept to get a proper time accounting. Regards, Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Sep 3 02:33:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18917 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:33:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ppp.net (mail.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18912 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:33:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ernie!bert.kts.org!hm@ppp.net) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc2.ppp.net [194.64.12.42]) by mail.ppp.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA10077; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:32:04 +0200 Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0zEVkK-002ZjZC; Thu, 3 Sep 98 11:32 MET DST Received: from bert.kts.org(really [194.55.156.2]) by ernie.kts.org via sendmail with smtp id for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:23:50 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #3 built 1998-Feb-14) Received: by bert.kts.org via sendmail with stdio id for freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:23:49 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #2 built 1998-Aug-25) Message-Id: From: hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: monitoring calls In-Reply-To: <19980903081115.B18179@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from Christoph Kukulies at "Sep 3, 98 08:11:15 am" To: kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Christoph Kukulies) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:23:49 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Kitchen Table Systems Reply-To: hm@kts.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > > How can I configure (without large logging overhead) find out in isdn4bsd > > > what numbers were dialing in on the bus? > > > > It should appear in the logfile, doesn't it ? > > All I can see at the moment is something like Hmm, when someone unknown dials in here, i see: Sep 3 11:12:05 ernie isdnd[63]: CHD 00156 incoming call from 17 to 21 But this is quite a different isdnd than the one you have, so it might be a bug in the last released code. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe We all live in a yellow subroutine, yellow subroutine, yellow subroutine ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Sep 3 02:33:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18992 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:33:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ppp.net (mail.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18981 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:33:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ernie!bert.kts.org!hm@ppp.net) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc2.ppp.net [194.64.12.42]) by mail.ppp.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA10069; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:32:02 +0200 Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0zEVkH-002ZjZC; Thu, 3 Sep 98 11:32 MET DST Received: from bert.kts.org(really [194.55.156.2]) by ernie.kts.org via sendmail with smtp id for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:10:30 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #3 built 1998-Feb-14) Received: by bert.kts.org via sendmail with stdio id for freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:10:29 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #2 built 1998-Aug-25) Message-Id: From: hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup In-Reply-To: <19980902220352.22500@wau.mis.ah.nl> from Leo Weppelman at "Sep 2, 98 10:03:52 pm" To: leo@wau.mis.ah.nl (Leo Weppelman) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:10:29 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Kitchen Table Systems Reply-To: hm@kts.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Leo Weppelman wrote: > > > When things are not working as they should, the actions in the log > > > indicate that the reject never arrives at my machine at home. This means > > > that at my end, the incoming call is not recognized because the connection > > > entry is still active (still dialing....). > > > > If i recall it correctly, a non-answered SETUP takes 8 seconds to cause > > a reaction at the remote end. Then you should at least 10..12 seconds after > > the initial call to the remote receive something. If not, something is > > wrong, wherever it is. > > The trace, as I read it, basically says: > 21:19:40 SETUP from home to work > 21:19:45 ALERT from work [ this was the 'ringing' - other thread ? ] > 21:19:45 - Other end rejects and hangs up (as seen in the remote logs) > 21:19:47 INCOMING call from remote, not accepted by i4b (entry busy) I think Gary said it already: the remote calls back almost immediately; long before the local call to the remote is disconnected - this can be seen from the traces you sent me in private mail. This situation is not being handled by isdnd due to internal design limitations - changing this will be a major undertaking. The only help for this situation is, to delay the callback from the remote for a time it takes to disconnect the local to the remote. If the remote were a i4b machine, i'd say "increase the callbackwait entry parameter for this call to the time it takes to disconnect the local out- going call". I'm quite shure (this was a Linux machine IIRC) that i4l has something similar to tune the delay time; this it the knob to tune for this situation. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe A duck is like a bicycle because they both have two wheels except the duck (terry@cs.weber.edu) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Sep 3 02:39:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA19271 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:39:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.30.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA19266 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:39:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA19004; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:38:34 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from kuku) Message-ID: <19980903113833.A18991@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:38:33 +0200 From: Christoph Kukulies To: hm@kts.org, Christoph Kukulies Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: monitoring calls References: <19980903081115.B18179@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91 In-Reply-To: ; from Hellmuth Michaelis on Thu, Sep 03, 1998 at 11:23:49AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Sep 03, 1998 at 11:23:49AM +0200, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: > Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > > > > How can I configure (without large logging overhead) find out in isdn4bsd > > > > what numbers were dialing in on the bus? > > > > > > It should appear in the logfile, doesn't it ? > > > > All I can see at the moment is something like > > Hmm, when someone unknown dials in here, i see: > > Sep 3 11:12:05 ernie isdnd[63]: CHD 00156 incoming call from 17 to 21 > > But this is quite a different isdnd than the one you have, so it might be a > bug in the last released code. Note that I mean dialers that go for instance to another machine (WinNT) attached to the same bus. > > hellmuth > -- > Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe > We all live in a yellow subroutine, yellow subroutine, yellow subroutine ... Nice sig :-) May I add one: "O'Hoare's Law : In every large programm is a small program struggling to get out." (don't recall if Hoare's name is cited correctly - that was off of my head anyway I mean the compiler theoretician from the 60ies - Algol etc.) -- Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Sep 3 04:23:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA02609 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 04:23:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hcshh.hcs.de (hcshh.hcs.de [194.123.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA02603 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 04:23:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hm@hcs.de) Received: from hcswork.hcs.de([192.76.124.5]) (2130 bytes) by hcshh.hcs.de via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:22:34 +0200 (METDST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2 built 1998-Jun-26) Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Smail3.1.29.0 #12) id m0zEXVd-0000dyC; Thu, 3 Sep 98 13:25 METDST Message-Id: From: hm@hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: monitoring calls In-Reply-To: <19980903113833.A18991@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from Christoph Kukulies at "Sep 3, 98 11:38:33 am" To: kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Christoph Kukulies) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:25:01 +0200 (METDST) Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From the keyboard of Christoph Kukulies: > > > > > How can I configure (without large logging overhead) find out in isdn4bsd > > > > > what numbers were dialing in on the bus? > > > > > > > > It should appear in the logfile, doesn't it ? > > > > > > All I can see at the moment is something like > > > > Hmm, when someone unknown dials in here, i see: > > > > Sep 3 11:12:05 ernie isdnd[63]: CHD 00156 incoming call from 17 to 21 > > > > But this is quite a different isdnd than the one you have, so it might be a > > bug in the last released code. > > Note that I mean dialers that go for instance to another machine (WinNT) > attached to the same bus. Yes. Isdnd should announce all _incoming_ calls to the local bus with a message like or similar to the above. Note that this is only for _incoming_ calls; this does not (and cannot) work for dials going out from the local bus to a remote site/telephone/etc. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis Tel +49 40 559747-70 HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Fax +49 40 559747-77 Oldesloer Strasse 97-99 Mail hm [at] hcs.de 22457 Hamburg WWW http://www.hcs.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Sep 3 04:25:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA02737 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 04:25:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hcshh.hcs.de (hcshh.hcs.de [194.123.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA02729 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 04:24:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hm@hcs.de) Received: from hcswork.hcs.de([192.76.124.5]) (1532 bytes) by hcshh.hcs.de via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:23:39 +0200 (METDST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2 built 1998-Jun-26) Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Smail3.1.29.0 #12) id m0zEXWq-0000dyC; Thu, 3 Sep 98 13:26 METDST Message-Id: From: hm@hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: monitoring calls In-Reply-To: <19980903113833.A18991@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from Christoph Kukulies at "Sep 3, 98 11:38:33 am" To: kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Christoph Kukulies) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:26:16 +0200 (METDST) Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Sep 3 11:12:05 ernie isdnd[63]: CHD 00156 incoming call from 17 to 21 > > > > But this is quite a different isdnd than the one you have, so it might be a > > bug in the last released code. > > Note that I mean dialers that go for instance to another machine (WinNT) > attached to the same bus. Yes, this should work. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis Tel +49 40 559747-70 HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Fax +49 40 559747-77 Oldesloer Strasse 97-99 Mail hm [at] hcs.de 22457 Hamburg WWW http://www.hcs.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Sep 3 04:27:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA02864 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 04:27:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hcshh.hcs.de (hcshh.hcs.de [194.123.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA02857 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 04:26:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hm@hcs.de) Received: from hcswork.hcs.de([192.76.124.5]) (1447 bytes) by hcshh.hcs.de via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:25:42 +0200 (METDST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2 built 1998-Jun-26) Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Smail3.1.29.0 #12) id m0zEXYp-0000dyC; Thu, 3 Sep 98 13:28 METDST Message-Id: From: hm@hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: using i4b with cron scripts to pay bills through a DTMF interface In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980903101629.00959e90@mail.scancall.no> from Marius Bendiksen at "Sep 3, 98 10:16:29 am" To: Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no (Marius Bendiksen) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:28:18 +0200 (METDST) Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From the keyboard of Marius Bendiksen: > Subject: using i4b with cron scripts to pay bills through a DTMF > > Is this possible? In general, yes. Currently, no. Someone has to write the code to enable this feature. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis Tel +49 40 559747-70 HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Fax +49 40 559747-77 Oldesloer Strasse 97-99 Mail hm [at] hcs.de 22457 Hamburg WWW http://www.hcs.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Sep 3 07:17:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA20778 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:17:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hcshh.hcs.de (hcshh.hcs.de [194.123.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA20772 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:17:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hm@hcs.de) Received: from hcswork.hcs.de([192.76.124.5]) (1435 bytes) by hcshh.hcs.de via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:16:11 +0200 (METDST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2 built 1998-Jun-26) Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Smail3.1.29.0 #12) id m0zEaDn-0000efC; Thu, 3 Sep 98 16:18 METDST Message-Id: From: hm@hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: incoming alert In-Reply-To: from "Marc_van_Woerkom@notes.labcontrol.com" at "Sep 3, 98 10:39:34 am" To: Marc_van_Woerkom@notes.labcontrol.com Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:18:47 +0200 (METDST) Cc: kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE, freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From the keyboard of Marc_van_Woerkom@notes.labcontrol.com: > > > 'incoming alert' > > > > Ha! Another one finding this message confusing. :-) > > Add me. Removed. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis Tel +49 40 559747-70 HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Fax +49 40 559747-77 Oldesloer Strasse 97-99 Mail hm [at] hcs.de 22457 Hamburg WWW http://www.hcs.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Sep 3 07:22:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA22396 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:22:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhost.ah.nl (ahns.mis.ah.nl [141.93.32.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA22377 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:22:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leo@x1c19e02.wau.mis.ah.nl) Received: from leobsd.wau.mis.ah.nl(x1c19e02.wau.mis.ah.nl[141.93.34.7]) (3116 bytes) by mailhost.ah.nl via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_bind/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:25:52 +0200 (MZT) (Smail-3.2.0.99 1997-Dec-4 #5 built 1998-Jul-18) Received: (from leo@localhost) by leobsd.wau.mis.ah.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id QAA29411; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:21:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980903162118.27170@wau.mis.ah.nl> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:21:18 +0200 From: Leo Weppelman To: hm@kts.org Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup References: <19980902220352.22500@wau.mis.ah.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: from "Hellmuth Michaelis" on 1998/09/03 11:10 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu 03 Sep 1998, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: > > I think Gary said it already: the remote calls back almost immediately; long > before the local call to the remote is disconnected - this can be seen > from the traces you sent me in private mail. Can you tell me why you think this is the case? > This situation is not being handled by isdnd due to internal design > limitations - changing this will be a major undertaking. > > The only help for this situation is, to delay the callback from the remote > for a time it takes to disconnect the local to the remote. > > If the remote were a i4b machine, i'd say "increase the callbackwait entry > parameter for this call to the time it takes to disconnect the local out- > going call". I'm quite shure (this was a Linux machine IIRC) that i4l has > something similar to tune the delay time; this it the knob to tune for this > situation. Yes, this was a Linux machine and, to reply partially to Martin, I cannot 'snoop' the isdn line from a separate machine :-( I increased the callback-delay parameter from 2 to 20 seconds. This did not change anything on my side. I still don't get the DISCONNECT within a minute. The (shortened) linux side trace looks like: 15:55:12 1998 Q.931 frame network->user broadcast 15:55:12 1998 callref 1 caller size 37 message type SETUP 15:55:12 1998 Q.931 frame user->network tei 80 15:55:12 1998 callref 1 called size 4 message type ALERTING 15:55:12 1998 Q.931 frame user->network tei 80 15:55:12 1998 callref 1 called size 8 message type DISCONNECT 15:55:12 1998 Cause 15:55:12 1998 coding 00 location 0000 15:55:12 1998 cause value 15 : Call rejected 15:55:12 1998 Q.931 frame network->user tei 80 15:55:12 1998 callref 1 caller size 4 message type RELEASE 15:55:12 1998 Q.931 frame user->network tei 80 15:55:12 1998 callref 1 called size 4 message type RELEASE COMPLETE 15:55:28 1998 Q.931 frame user->network tei 80 15:55:28 1998 callref 84 caller size 39 message type SETUP etc.... As you can see, the remote side waits +/- 16 seconds before starting the callback. In this time, my end gets no disconnect messages.... It looks like a bug somewhere indeed. The more because the alert shows up rather promptly at my end. The disconnect disappears somewhere in space.... Leo. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Sep 3 07:25:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA22920 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:25:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hq.seicom.net (hq.seicom.net [194.97.200.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA22915 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:25:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from js@mgm-net.de) Received: from bastjon.mgm-net.de by hq.seicom.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA17007 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:24:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from orion.mgm-net.de (orion [192.168.1.1]) by bastjon.mgm-net.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA03342 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:24:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from js@localhost) by orion.mgm-net.de (8.8.3/8.8.5) id QAA20977; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:19:25 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:19:25 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199809031419.QAA20977@orion.mgm-net.de> From: Jochen Scharrlach To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from =?iso-8859-1?Q?Markus_D=F6hr?= on Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:58:34 +0200) Subject: Re: AW: called-back, rejects and auto hangup Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mighty GNU Emacs Reply-to: js@mgm-net.de Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, > > > Reality check: how many people care ? Answer: four. > > > > five :-) > > no, I think six... 7. my one at home 8. our dialin-server (gets its second card soon) 9. my experimental computer at work (gets its second card even sooner) 10. (soon) a second experimental dialin-server 11.-13. gateways we sold Plus some other computers I know of... If you count the people actually *using* these things, we would be at 20-30 ;) Bye, Jochen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Sep 3 07:31:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23453 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:31:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhost.ah.nl (ahns.mis.ah.nl [141.93.32.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA23447 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:31:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leo@x1c19e02.wau.mis.ah.nl) Received: from waubel.wau.mis.ah.nl([141.93.32.17]) (1730 bytes) by mailhost.ah.nl via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_bind/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:34:33 +0200 (MZT) (Smail-3.2.0.99 1997-Dec-4 #5 built 1998-Jul-18) Received: from leobsd.wau.mis.ah.nl by waubel.wau.mis.ah.nl via sendmail (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.2) with smtp id for ; Thu, 3 Sep 98 16:28 METBST Received: (from leo@localhost) by leobsd.wau.mis.ah.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id QAA29428; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:26:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980903162601.35105@wau.mis.ah.nl> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:26:01 +0200 From: Leo Weppelman To: Martin Husemann Cc: hm@kts.org, freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup References: <199809022049.WAA03491@rumolt.teuto.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <199809022049.WAA03491@rumolt.teuto.de> from "Martin Husemann" on 1998/09/02 22:49 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed 02 Sep 1998, Martin Husemann wrote: > > If this is really a fix for your problem and does not overlay a bug in i4b > > (or your PBX or so) then it seems to be something which can be added. > > This looks more like a bug on the remote site (the Linux ISDN or the PBX at > your work) to me, could you arrange for another system doing an isdntrace > (bidirectional) at that site? I have a bit of a trace in my last mail to Hellmuth. Unfortunately, I cannot trace the line from a 3rd system... If you have ideas of software tests, I can probably arrange it ( I have root permission at work too). Playing with hardware in the computer room is far more difficult :-( Leo. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Sep 3 08:33:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA01513 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:33:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ppp.net (mail.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01507 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:33:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ernie!bert.kts.org!hm@ppp.net) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc2.ppp.net [194.64.12.42]) by mail.ppp.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA19426; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:32:03 +0200 Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0zEbMg-002ZjZC; Thu, 3 Sep 98 17:32 MET DST Received: from bert.kts.org(really [194.55.156.2]) by ernie.kts.org via sendmail with smtp id for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:21:23 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #3 built 1998-Feb-14) Received: by bert.kts.org via sendmail with stdio id for freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:21:22 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #2 built 1998-Aug-25) Message-Id: From: hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup In-Reply-To: <19980903162118.27170@wau.mis.ah.nl> from Leo Weppelman at "Sep 3, 98 04:21:18 pm" To: leo@wau.mis.ah.nl (Leo Weppelman) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:21:22 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Kitchen Table Systems Reply-To: hm@kts.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Leo Weppelman wrote: > > I think Gary said it already: the remote calls back almost immediately; long > > before the local call to the remote is disconnected - this can be seen > > from the traces you sent me in private mail. > > Can you tell me why you think this is the case? To quote from your trace: You call out to your company ... (Call Reference cr=0x08) -- TE->NT - unit:0 - frame:000005 - time:02.09 21:19:40.17 - length:42 --------- Dump:000 00 c5 00 00 .... Q921: SAP=0 (Call Control), C, TEI=98, I-Frame: N(S) 0 N(R) 0 P 0 Q931: pd=Q.931/I.451, cr=0x08 (from origination), message=SETUP: [sending complete] [bearer capability: cap=unrestricted digital information std=CCITT rate=64 kbit/s mode=circuit] [channel id: channel=B-1 (preferred)] [calling party number: 0LOCAL (type=unknown, plan=ISDN)] [called party number: 0REMOTE (type=unknown, plan=ISDN)] ... It rings in your company ... -- NT->TE - unit:0 - frame:000010 - time:02.09 21:19:44.46 - length:8 ---------- Dump:000 02 c5 02 02 .... Q921: SAP=0 (Call Control), C, TEI=98, I-Frame: N(S) 1 N(R) 1 P 0 Dump:004 08 01 88 01 .... Q931: pd=Q.931/I.451, cr=0x08 (from destination), message=ALERTING: ... Your company calls back (Call Reference cr=0x06) ... -- NT->TE - unit:0 - frame:000012 - time:02.09 21:19:46.48 - length:44 --------- Dump:000 02 ff 03 ... Q921: SAP=0 (Call Control), C, TEI=127, U-Frame: UI PF 0 Q931: pd=Q.931/I.451, cr=0x06 (from origination), message=SETUP: [sending complete] [bearer capability: cap=unrestricted digital information std=CCITT rate=64 kbit/s mode=circuit] [channel id: channel=B-2 (exclusive)] [calling party number: REMOTE (type=national, plan=ISDN, presentation allowed, screening user provided: verified & passed)] [called party number: LOCAL (type=national, plan=ISDN)] [low layer compatibility: LEN=0x02, DATA=0x88 0x90 ] ... You dont accept the call The exchange tries again (Call Reference cr=0x07) ... -- NT->TE - unit:0 - frame:000014 - time:02.09 21:19:54.45 - length:44 --------- Dump:000 02 ff 03 ... Q921: SAP=0 (Call Control), C, TEI=127, U-Frame: UI PF 0 Q931: pd=Q.931/I.451, cr=0x07 (from origination), message=SETUP: [sending complete] [bearer capability: cap=unrestricted digital information std=CCITT rate=64 kbit/s mode=circuit] [channel id: channel=B-2 (exclusive)] [calling party number: REMOTE (type=national, plan=ISDN, presentation allowed, screening user provided: verified & passed)] [called party number: LOCAL (type=national, plan=ISDN)] [low layer compatibility: LEN=0x02, DATA=0x88 0x90 ] ... and again and again and again. The call to your company went out 21:19:40.17, now it is 21:21:12.28 almost 1 1/2 minutes (!!!!!!) after the setup with cr=0x08 comes the disconnect for this call - that is ridiculous !!! -- NT->TE - unit:0 - frame:000053 - time:02.09 21:21:12.28 - length:12 --------- Dump:000 02 c5 04 02 .... Q921: SAP=0 (Call Control), C, TEI=98, I-Frame: N(S) 2 N(R) 1 P 0 Dump:004 08 01 88 45 08 02 82 92 ...E.... Q931: pd=Q.931/I.451, cr=0x08 (from destination), message=DISCONNECT: [cause: 18: No user responding (Q.850) (location=public network serving local user, std=CCITT)] This is strange. At least you see that your company is _immediately_ (!!!) calling you back which is the primary cause of your problem. The other problem is the remote end (or the exchange) which somehow delays the disconnect message for 1 and a half minutes. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe We all live in a yellow subroutine, yellow subroutine, yellow subroutine ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Sep 3 09:50:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA12601 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:50:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hcshh.hcs.de (hcshh.hcs.de [194.123.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA12592 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:50:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hm@hcs.de) Received: from hcswork.hcs.de([192.76.124.5]) (1834 bytes) by hcshh.hcs.de via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:49:01 +0200 (METDST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2 built 1998-Jun-26) Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Smail3.1.29.0 #12) id m0zEcbh-0000eFC; Thu, 3 Sep 98 18:51 METDST Message-Id: From: hm@hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup In-Reply-To: <19980903162118.27170@wau.mis.ah.nl> from Leo Weppelman at "Sep 3, 98 04:21:18 pm" To: leo@wau.mis.ah.nl (Leo Weppelman) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:51:37 +0200 (METDST) Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From the keyboard of Leo Weppelman: > 15:55:12 1998 Q.931 frame user->network tei 80 > 15:55:12 1998 callref 1 called size 4 message type ALERTING It would be interesting to know why this alert is sent. Is the Linux machine connected to a PBX or directly to the PTT ISDN line ? > As you can see, the remote side waits +/- 16 seconds before starting the > callback. In this time, my end gets no disconnect messages.... It looks > like a bug somewhere indeed. The more because the alert shows up rather > promptly at my end. The disconnect disappears somewhere in space.... Yes, everything else looks resonable here. I really wonder what the cause for this effect is! hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis Tel +49 40 559747-70 HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Fax +49 40 559747-77 Oldesloer Strasse 97-99 Mail hm [at] hcs.de 22457 Hamburg WWW http://www.hcs.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Sep 3 11:53:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA29829 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:53:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from onizuka.vmunix.org (onizuka.vmunix.org [194.97.84.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA29823 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:53:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from torstenb@vmunix.org) Received: by onizuka.vmunix.org via sendmail with stdio id for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:52:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:52:05 +0200 (CEST) From: torstenb@vmunix.org (Torsten Blum) To: leo@wau.mis.ah.nl Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19980902220352.22500@wau.mis.ah.nl> <19980903162118.27170@wau.mis.ah.nl> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In freebsd-isdn you write: >> I think Gary said it already: the remote calls back almost immediately; long >> before the local call to the remote is disconnected - this can be seen >> from the traces you sent me in private mail. >Can you tell me why you think this is the case? There are point-to-point and point-to-multipoint isdn lines. (the German Telekom calls them "Anlagenanschluss" and "Mehrgeraeteanschluss") The first one only supports one ISDN terminal equipment (phone, router, TA, isdn card etc) while a point-to-multipoint line supports up to 8 TE's. When a incomming call is arrives on a isdn point-to-multipoint line, all connected ISDN TE's are informed about the call. When an TE rejects the call ("call rejected", "user busy" etc) it's still possible for other TE's to accept the call. So the isdn switch has to wait till all remaining TE's signalled the switch wether they want to accept the call or not. If there's no response from the other TE's, the call will be rejected. Imagine the case where two ISDN phones are connected to an ISDN line. The first one is in use, the other one is free. When an incomming call arrives, the first ISDN phone will reject the call with "user busy", but the second one can still accept the call. On a point-to-point line you don't have this problem - since there is only one ISDN equipment and a reject will take affect immediately. Well, this applies to euro isdn. Dunno about ISDN in the US, but that's not what we're talking about. It's too different compared to what we have here in europe ;-) >> The only help for this situation is, to delay the callback from the remote >> for a time it takes to disconnect the local to the remote. No, this is not the only help, it's not even acceptable - IMHO. ISDN equipment that supports "ISDN callback" has to life with those call collisions. More than 5 years ago we already used ISDN-callback here in germany - with different "router packages" for DOS (KA9Q with ISDN drivers and other, custom made, software) for example. It's quite interesting to see that esp. ISDN-routers from the US (Ascend Pipeline/Max) can't handle this. There are other ISDN routers (Bintec for example) which do not have any problem with call collisions during isdn-callback. I work this this equipment every day and have some equipment at home and access to even more equipment at work. If anyone (Helmuth ?) want's to test isdn callback (or anything else), I'm more than happy to provide access to the equipment. -tb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Sep 3 12:39:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06458 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:39:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippo.unna.ping.de (zippo.unna.ping.de [195.37.121.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06318 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:38:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oskar@zippo.unna.ping.de) Received: from zippo.unna.ping.de (oskar@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippo.unna.ping.de (8.8.4/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA25355; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:36:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199809031936.VAA25355@zippo.unna.ping.de> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/24/97 To: Gary Jennejohn Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG From: Jan-Hinrich Fessel Subject: Re: ISDN PRI Support anyone? In-Reply-To: Deine Nachricht vom Wed, 02 Sep 98 22:23:34 +0200. <199809022023.WAA00814@peedub.muc.de> X-Face: 'NlN?Dkb1WA4Fdbh(T&Okll'P?h$Ak1{5,LHx<2=v@!qg.G~6G?;]y`C/D#x5"GWN_.U4PA >rlR=V&h576tqk7-~tfGVVtZrybdmaG|iki>{4Kd&ra/d$&vleXP;y/Z"?4Q|$q?{T}SW]_bUHZmcH &C1^iA\&{>h66//IRsKzy[+f}l-:wc6T\Eg,Xc={E8Q\q"AqsV!!YG*/_fMcSlUw0pZ6j!KBMSTzz" Wd}uG:Zv#)gV?IGi^^fW0<`sO2D_MKP]gzx_\o%m<|~^+U>tu,)`*OJ]3n&@!K Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-798558528P"; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 21:36:12 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-798558528P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In message <199809022023.WAA00814@peedub.muc.de>you write: > how to test without a PRI hookup ? And without a running NetBSD system (in > my case). If I find someone who is actually willing and capable to do the code and if I find a card with docs/specs then these are problems we should probably get around easily... > Do you have all the documentation for the card ? I don't even know which card to use. It depends on getting a card with enough documentation to start with. Gruesse Oskar ============================================================================== Tragbar ist, was nicht herunterfaellt. oskar@zappa.unna.ping.de ============================================================================== --==_Exmh_-798558528P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.3i iQCVAwUBNe7vq7A63tqjeAhZAQHz6QP/bOujqoTaSPbZ7TrSLxU7dAtKa4KGFNvJ +P00sAy5rxhz/O5pOAlihz23+Td98t7Q0SuGoIfmF/rsgtnYwuqSSCUC4Y6srby6 A0989Cxa/xF+24rHtPqP/O8VZeZg+PTjUDGDt459etlfukJjVt7RbYoPolcdc4GX 5tmgwumMH2g= =+7KU -----END PGP MESSAGE----- --==_Exmh_-798558528P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Sep 3 13:20:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12783 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:20:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peedub.muc.de (newpc.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12774 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:20:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garyj@peedub.muc.de) Received: from peedub.muc.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by peedub.muc.de (8.9.1/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA02607; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:04:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199809032004.WAA02607@peedub.muc.de> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Jan-Hinrich Fessel cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISDN PRI Support anyone? Reply-To: Gary Jennejohn In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 03 Sep 1998 21:36:12 +0200." <199809031936.VAA25355@zippo.unna.ping.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 22:04:13 +0200 From: Gary Jennejohn Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan-Hinrich Fessel writes: >--==_Exmh_-798558528P >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >In message <199809022023.WAA00814@peedub.muc.de>you write: >> how to test without a PRI hookup ? And without a running NetBSD system (in >> my case). > >If I find someone who is actually willing and capable to do the code and if I >find a card with docs/specs then these are problems we should probably get >around easily... > >> Do you have all the documentation for the card ? >I don't even know which card to use. It depends on getting a card with enough > >documentation to start with. > ah, I see. You were just fishing. I thought this was more concrete. Depending on the time-frame I might be interested. I've been trying to get my ISP to replace his overloaded, ancient SUN box with a faster PC, but he wants support for a PRI card before he'll even consider it. --- Gary Jennejohn Home - garyj@muc.de Work - garyj@fkr.dec.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Sep 3 13:49:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17979 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:49:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhost.ah.nl (ahns.mis.ah.nl [141.93.32.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA17969 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:49:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leo@x1c19e02.wau.mis.ah.nl) Received: from leobsd.wau.mis.ah.nl(x1c19e02.wau.mis.ah.nl[141.93.34.7]) (2964 bytes) by mailhost.ah.nl via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_bind/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:53:16 +0200 (MZT) (Smail-3.2.0.99 1997-Dec-4 #5 built 1998-Jul-18) Received: (from leo@localhost) by leobsd.wau.mis.ah.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id WAA00305; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:48:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980903224845.15992@wau.mis.ah.nl> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:48:45 +0200 From: Leo Weppelman To: Torsten Blum Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup References: <19980902220352.22500@wau.mis.ah.nl> <19980903162118.27170@wau.mis.ah.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: from "Torsten Blum" on 1998/09/03 20:52 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu 03 Sep 1998, Torsten Blum wrote: > In freebsd-isdn you write: > > >> I think Gary said it already: the remote calls back almost immediately; long > >> before the local call to the remote is disconnected - this can be seen > >> from the traces you sent me in private mail. > > >Can you tell me why you think this is the case? > > There are point-to-point and point-to-multipoint isdn lines. > (the German Telekom calls them "Anlagenanschluss" and "Mehrgeraeteanschluss") > The first one only supports one ISDN terminal equipment (phone, router, TA, > isdn card etc) while a point-to-multipoint line supports up to 8 TE's. >From what I know, the machine at work is directly connected to a dutch telecom (PTT) connection. We have one main-number & 4 MSN's. Is this multi-point? > When a incomming call is arrives on a isdn point-to-multipoint line, all > connected ISDN TE's are informed about the call. When an TE rejects the > call ("call rejected", "user busy" etc) it's still possible for other TE's > to accept the call. So the isdn switch has to wait till all remaining > TE's signalled the switch wether they want to accept the call or not. If there's > no response from the other TE's, the call will be rejected. The makes me think multipoint is most common. At home I have an A/B adapter connected to the NT1 (modem & cheapo phone) and my Atari with Teles... > >> The only help for this situation is, to delay the callback from the remote > >> for a time it takes to disconnect the local to the remote. > > No, this is not the only help, it's not even acceptable - IMHO. > ISDN equipment that supports "ISDN callback" has to life with those call > collisions. But shouldn't at least one channel be free for such a collision to happen? I mean, When I'm working on my atari through the A/B -> modem connection to test the dialback (I tried this this afternoon ;-). The logs seem to prove this case! At home no incoming calls before the looooong awaited disconnect and at work all 'number busy's. So Torsten's reasoning makes another point for being able to hangup the phone early! Leo. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Sep 3 13:50:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18173 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:50:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peedub.muc.de (newpc.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18161 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:50:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garyj@peedub.muc.de) Received: from peedub.muc.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by peedub.muc.de (8.9.1/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA02694 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:39:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199809032039.WAA02694@peedub.muc.de> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup Reply-To: Gary Jennejohn In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 03 Sep 1998 20:52:05 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 22:39:58 +0200 From: Gary Jennejohn Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Torsten Blum writes: >In freebsd-isdn you write: [mega-snip] >>> The only help for this situation is, to delay the callback from the remote >>> for a time it takes to disconnect the local to the remote. > >No, this is not the only help, it's not even acceptable - IMHO. >ISDN equipment that supports "ISDN callback" has to life with those call >collisions. > so, what's the bottom line here, Torsten ? Are you saying that i4b needs to handle call-back differently or that the switch was delaying sending the reject because of the number of TEs attached to it and i4b is not at fault ? Or maybe a little of both ? --- Gary Jennejohn Home - garyj@muc.de Work - garyj@fkr.dec.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Sep 3 14:02:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21247 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:02:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhost.ah.nl (ahns.mis.ah.nl [141.93.32.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA21238 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:02:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leo@x1c19e02.wau.mis.ah.nl) Received: from leobsd.wau.mis.ah.nl(x1c19e02.wau.mis.ah.nl[141.93.34.7]) (1842 bytes) by mailhost.ah.nl via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_bind/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:05:32 +0200 (MZT) (Smail-3.2.0.99 1997-Dec-4 #5 built 1998-Jul-18) Received: (from leo@localhost) by leobsd.wau.mis.ah.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id XAA00341; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:01:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980903230101.31183@wau.mis.ah.nl> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:01:01 +0200 From: Leo Weppelman To: hm@kts.org Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup References: <19980903162118.27170@wau.mis.ah.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: from "Hellmuth Michaelis" on 1998/09/03 17:21 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu 03 Sep 1998, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: > Leo Weppelman wrote: > > > > I think Gary said it already: the remote calls back almost immediately; long > > > before the local call to the remote is disconnected - this can be seen > > > from the traces you sent me in private mail. > > > > Can you tell me why you think this is the case? > > To quote from your trace: > > You call out to your company ... (Call Reference cr=0x08) *Blush* I missed the 'call reference' thingy completely.... Nothing to loose anymore, so another stupid question ;-) the call-reference/TEI combination is unique, _only_ the combination, right? >From your other mail: > > 15:55:12 1998 Q.931 frame user->network tei 80 > > 15:55:12 1998 callref 1 called size 4 message type ALERTING > It would be interesting to know why this alert is sent. Dunno, I will ask this. > Is the Linux machine connected to a PBX or directly to the PTT ISDN line ? Directly connected AFAIK. There are no leading 0's to dial, and the real numbers show up at my end at home. Leo. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Sep 3 14:24:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25613 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:24:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from onizuka.vmunix.org (onizuka.vmunix.org [194.97.84.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25600 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:24:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from torstenb@vmunix.org) Received: by onizuka.vmunix.org via sendmail with stdio id for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:23:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: From: torstenb@vmunix.org (Torsten Blum) Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup In-Reply-To: <19980903224845.15992@wau.mis.ah.nl> from Leo Weppelman at "Sep 3, 98 10:48:45 pm" To: leo@wau.mis.ah.nl (Leo Weppelman) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:23:29 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Leo Weppelman wrote: > >From what I know, the machine at work is directly connected to a dutch telecom > (PTT) connection. We have one main-number & 4 MSN's. Is this multi-point? Sounds like point to multipoint. > The makes me think multipoint is most common. At home I have an A/B adapter > connected to the NT1 (modem & cheapo phone) and my Atari with Teles... It's common for single BRI's - in case of PBX and other equipment that uses >1 BRI it's often point-to-point > But shouldn't at least one channel be free for such a collision to happen? yes - usually. (call-waiting makes it more complicated, but let's ignore that here) In the point-to-multipoint case you should have a free 2nd B-channel on the BRI line that receives the call-back. Let's call the machines "A" and "B". A calls B, B sees the SETUP message in the D-Channel and rejects the call. The B-Channel is not yet established but "reserved" (it's a bit more complicated, but that way it's easier to explain ;-). When B rejects the call and calls back. But as I wrote earlier it takes some time till A receives that call-reject message from the switch. At that time, B already called A. Since one B-Channel is still reserved and can not be used (the reject has not yet been received by A) yet, another B-Channel is needed. if the 2nd B-Channel is not free, the callback fails. (call-waiting complicates things here too, but let's just ignore that for now). In this case, B should just wait a few secs and try again - otherwise callback won't work if you already use one b-channel. -tb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Fri Sep 4 00:22:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA15179 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:22:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA15172 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:22:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from martin@rumolt.teuto.de) Received: from rumolt.teuto.de (root@rumolt.teuto.de [194.77.23.161]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA04376; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:21:30 +0200 Received: (from martin@localhost) by rumolt.teuto.de (8.8.8/8.8.7) id IAA02079; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:44:30 +0200 (MEST) From: Martin Husemann Message-Id: <199809040644.IAA02079@rumolt.teuto.de> Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup To: hm@kts.org Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:44:30 +0200 (MEST) Cc: leo@wau.mis.ah.nl, freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Hellmuth Michaelis" at Sep 3, 98 05:21:22 pm Organization: Crusaders Catering Services Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > This is strange. At least you see that your company is _immediately_ (!!!) > calling you back which is the primary cause of your problem. Now this is certainly fixable in isdnd, I have some ideas how to handle it (but as usual no time right now). Let's take this offline, fix it in our isdnd and let Leo verify it works ;-) Martin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Fri Sep 4 00:38:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA17339 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:38:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hcshh.hcs.de (hcshh.hcs.de [194.123.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA17333 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:38:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hm@hcs.de) Received: from hcswork.hcs.de([192.76.124.5]) (1576 bytes) by hcshh.hcs.de via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:36:57 +0200 (METDST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2 built 1998-Jun-26) Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Smail3.1.29.0 #12) id m0zEqT0-0000dyC; Fri, 4 Sep 98 09:39 METDST Message-Id: From: hm@hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup In-Reply-To: from Torsten Blum at "Sep 3, 98 08:52:05 pm" To: torstenb@vmunix.org (Torsten Blum) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:39:34 +0200 (METDST) Cc: leo@wau.mis.ah.nl, freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From the keyboard of Torsten Blum: > >> The only help for this situation is, to delay the callback from the remote > >> for a time it takes to disconnect the local to the remote. I should have said "Currently, the only help ...". And it is currently the only help until isdnd is rewritten to be able to handle more than one concurrent (call control) connection to a remote. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis Tel +49 40 559747-70 HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Fax +49 40 559747-77 Oldesloer Strasse 97-99 Mail hm [at] hcs.de 22457 Hamburg WWW http://www.hcs.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Fri Sep 4 00:49:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA18095 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:49:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hcshh.hcs.de (hcshh.hcs.de [194.123.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA18081 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:49:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hm@hcs.de) Received: from hcswork.hcs.de([192.76.124.5]) (1820 bytes) by hcshh.hcs.de via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:47:48 +0200 (METDST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2 built 1998-Jun-26) Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Smail3.1.29.0 #12) id m0zEqdV-0000dyC; Fri, 4 Sep 98 09:50 METDST Message-Id: From: hm@hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup In-Reply-To: <19980903230101.31183@wau.mis.ah.nl> from Leo Weppelman at "Sep 3, 98 11:01:01 pm" To: leo@wau.mis.ah.nl (Leo Weppelman) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:50:25 +0200 (METDST) Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From the keyboard of Leo Weppelman: > the call-reference/TEI combination is unique, _only_ the > combination, right? The TEI is the "address" of a device on the S0 bus and uniqely identifies a device. Or even, it is the address of a unique instance in a physical device - a physical device may have more than one TEI assigned to it. A TEI is a layer 2 concept. The Call Reference uniqely identifies a single call control transaction on a given S0 bus. IIRC there may be even the same CR's used for incoming and outgoing calls because the direction is encoded in the CR information element (as this was a fat bug in i4b). A CR is a layer 3 concept. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis Tel +49 40 559747-70 HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Fax +49 40 559747-77 Oldesloer Strasse 97-99 Mail hm [at] hcs.de 22457 Hamburg WWW http://www.hcs.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Fri Sep 4 01:56:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA26828 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 01:56:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (news.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA26815 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 01:56:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Received: from LOCAL (uucp@localhost) by news.IAEhv.nl (8.8.8/1.63) with IAEhv.nl; pid 9872 on Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:55:07 GMT; id IAA09872 efrom: marc@bowtie.nl; eto: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bowtie.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24884 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:54:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Message-Id: <199809040854.KAA24884@bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AW: called-back, rejects and auto hangup In-reply-to: js's message of Thu, 03 Sep 1998 16:19:25 +0200. <199809031419.QAA20977@orion.mgm-net.de> Reply-to: marc@bowtie.nl Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:54:16 +0200 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi, > > > > > Reality check: how many people care ? Answer: four. > > > > > > five :-) > > > > no, I think six... > > 7. my one at home > 8. our dialin-server (gets its second card soon) > 9. my experimental computer at work (gets its second card even sooner) > 10. (soon) a second experimental dialin-server > 11.-13. gateways we sold > > Plus some other computers I know of... > > If you count the people actually *using* these things, we would be at > 20-30 ;) > Count me in too for two stations, and propably more in the near future. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Fri Sep 4 02:15:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA28068 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 02:15:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni-sb.de (uni-sb.de [134.96.252.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA28062 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 02:15:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mreckt@wurzelausix.CS.Uni-SB.DE) Received: from cs.uni-sb.de (cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.252.31]) by uni-sb.de (8.9.0/1998052000) with ESMTP id LAA26883 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:13:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (OQrL1Jy3Koblm8F6Edsi6HBaYBC3dAW2@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.247.1]) by cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.0/1998060300) with ESMTP id LAA28346 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:13:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mreckt@localhost) by wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.1/wjp/19980821) id LAA13834; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:13:49 +0200 (CEST) To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Martin Recktenwald Date: 04 Sep 1998 11:13:48 +0200 In-Reply-To: hm@hcs.de's message of "Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:50:25 +0200 (METDST)" Message-ID: Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hm@hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) writes: > >From the keyboard of Leo Weppelman: > > > the call-reference/TEI combination is unique, _only_ the > > combination, right? > > The TEI is the "address" of a device on the S0 bus and uniqely identifies > a device. Or even, it is the address of a unique instance in a physical > device - a physical device may have more than one TEI assigned to it. > > A TEI is a layer 2 concept. > > The Call Reference uniqely identifies a single call control transaction > on a given S0 bus. Really? To quote Q.931: "Call reference values are assigned by the originating side of the interface for a call. These values are unique to the originating side only within a particular D-channel layer two logical link connection." A "layer two logical link connection" is identified by a TEI. If I understand this correctly, it means that a call reference without a TEI is meaningless. There could be the _same_ call reference for two different TEI values. This doesn't matter for normal TE's like a phone because they don't use more than one TEI anyway. Martin. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Fri Sep 4 04:03:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA08437 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 04:03:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hcshh.hcs.de (hcshh.hcs.de [194.123.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA08428 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 04:03:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hm@hcs.de) Received: from hcswork.hcs.de([192.76.124.5]) (1431 bytes) by hcshh.hcs.de via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:02:10 +0200 (METDST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2 built 1998-Jun-26) Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Smail3.1.29.0 #12) id m0zEtfa-0000eFC; Fri, 4 Sep 98 13:04 METDST Message-Id: From: hm@hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: called-back, rejects and auto hangup In-Reply-To: from Martin Recktenwald at "Sep 4, 98 11:13:48 am" To: mreckt@wurzelausix.CS.Uni-SB.DE (Martin Recktenwald) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:04:46 +0200 (METDST) Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From the keyboard of Martin Recktenwald: > If I understand this correctly, it means that a call reference without > a TEI is meaningless. There could be the _same_ call reference for two > different TEI values. You are right! hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis Tel +49 40 559747-70 HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Fax +49 40 559747-77 Oldesloer Strasse 97-99 Mail hm [at] hcs.de 22457 Hamburg WWW http://www.hcs.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Sat Sep 5 22:36:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00529 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 22:36:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00524 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 22:36:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from martin@rumolt.teuto.de) Received: from rumolt.teuto.de (root@rumolt.teuto.de [194.77.23.161]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA14768 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 07:36:18 +0200 Received: (from martin@localhost) by rumolt.teuto.de (8.8.8/8.8.7) id HAA16573 for freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 07:26:32 +0200 (MEST) From: Martin Husemann Message-Id: <199809060526.HAA16573@rumolt.teuto.de> Subject: PPP Errors To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 07:26:31 +0200 (MEST) Organization: Crusaders Catering Services Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think we discussed this some time ago and came up with a wrong explanation: When I'm heavily loading my router, connecting and disconnecting quite often, after a lot of connections PPP connections to one remote side stop working: I see the interphase go straight from phase network to terminate and dead, then again into establish, authenticate, network, terminate, .... As soon as I turn on debugging on that interface it starts to work again. So this is obviously a timming issue. It happens only to one (heavy loaded) router (a Descend, I think), never to other (less heavy loaded, better ones like Cisco). I guess we'll have to add a configurable delay in the PPP state machine. Martin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message