From owner-freebsd-mozilla Mon Jun 8 12:03:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA20443 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:03:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from magus.users.xmission.com (magus@magus.users.xmission.com [207.135.128.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20375 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:03:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from magus@xmission.com) Received: (from magus@localhost) by magus.users.xmission.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA13851; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:03:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from magus) To: freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Hello? From: magus@xmission.com (Anthony C. Chavez) Date: 08 Jun 1998 13:03:22 -0600 Message-ID: <87pvgjpvgl.fsf@magus.users.xmission.com> Lines: 7 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just re-subscribed to the list and I'm not receiving anything. Is the list dead? -- Anthony Chavez Ph'nglui mglw'nafh "BOB" D'lyeh Wgah'nagl Dhobbz f'htagn. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Mon Jun 8 18:17:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19973 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:17:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pobox.com ([208.141.230.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19955 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:17:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alk@pobox.com) Received: (from alk@localhost) by pobox.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id UAA01239; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:17:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:17:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806100117.UAA01239@pobox.com> From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Reply-To: alk@pobox.com To: magus@xmission.com Cc: freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Hello? References: <87pvgjpvgl.fsf@magus.users.xmission.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Quoth Anthony C. Chavez on , 8 June: : I just re-subscribed to the list and I'm not receiving anything. Is the list : dead? : Pretty much. The interest in actually doing FreeBSD-specific work on Mozilla seems to be underwhelming. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Mon Jun 8 19:42:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA07191 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:42:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep2-orange.clear.net.nz (fep2-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA06829 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:40:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jabley@clear.co.nz) Received: from buddha.clear.net.nz (buddha.clear.net.nz [192.168.24.106]) by fep2-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.9) with ESMTP id OAA05610; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:39:55 +1200 (NZST) Received: from localhost (jabley@localhost) by buddha.clear.net.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA03277; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:39:53 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from jabley@clear.co.nz) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:39:53 +1200 (NZST) From: Joe Abley X-Sender: jabley@buddha.clear.net.nz To: Tony Kimball cc: magus@xmission.com, freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hello? In-Reply-To: <199806100117.UAA01239@pobox.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Tony Kimball wrote: > Quoth Anthony C. Chavez on , 8 June: > : I just re-subscribed to the list and I'm not receiving anything. Is the list > : dead? > : > > Pretty much. The interest in actually doing FreeBSD-specific work on > Mozilla seems to be underwhelming. Is it worth doing a kind of "hands-up" on who is actually subscribed to this list _and_ interested in hacking the source? I'm keen to get my hands dirty - but there seems hardly any point doing anything on my own if other people are already checking source in and out on a regular basis. If there is nothing coordinated going on, and other people are interested, could we get something started? Do Netscape have a FreeBSD build machine? I see columns in TinderBox for Linux and various "mainstream" commercial OSes, but nothing for FreeBSD... Joe -- Joe Abley Tel +64 9 912-4065, Fax +64 9 912-5008 Network Architect, CLEAR Net http://www.clear.net.nz/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Mon Jun 8 21:17:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA22633 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:17:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from magus.users.xmission.com (magus@magus.users.xmission.com [207.135.128.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA22614 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:17:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from magus@xmission.com) Received: (from magus@localhost) by magus.users.xmission.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA19095; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:17:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from magus) To: freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Let's get cracking (was Re: Hello?) References: From: magus@xmission.com (Anthony C. Chavez) Date: 08 Jun 1998 22:17:25 -0600 In-Reply-To: Joe Abley's message of "Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:39:53 +1200 (NZST)" Message-ID: <87ogw3ky3u.fsf@magus.users.xmission.com> Lines: 61 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Joe Abley writes: > Is it worth doing a kind of "hands-up" on who is actually subscribed to > this list _and_ interested in hacking the source? > > I'm keen to get my hands dirty - but there seems hardly any point doing > anything on my own if other people are already checking source in and out > on a regular basis. If there is nothing coordinated going on, and other > people are interested, could we get something started? What a great idea. :-) All right, hands up who wants to get busy coding? I'm definitely interested in putting some effort into the project. I'm an intermediate-level C programmer who is just *aching* to get a real test of his abilities. I believe in "deeds, not words," so I will appoint myself the following duty unless anyone objects. I will start taking the names and corresponding e-mail addresses down for those interested in putting work into the project. If you want your name and e-mail put on the list, compose a message to the *mailing list*, not me directly. And do it now, not tomorrow. Everybody should know everyone else (or at least have a good idea of the numbers). A couple of questions: (1) Does anyone know if a certain individual is in charge of the Mozilla project web page at http://www.FreeBSD.org/mozilla.html? (2) If not, does anyone know how we are supposed to submit pages to the web site? (3) Who is currently working on the project? SPEAK UP! I would suggest that we start immediately on a web page for the project, placing on it the list of names that I collect as a start. I would gladly volunteer for this responsibility as well, if nobody objects. Eventually, with college a (very) large factor, I won't be able to moderate the web page on my own, so I'll need volunteers for assistance. We need to assimilate and start work (together) on the following items: (1) An agenda. Basically a list of needs, wants, and parallels to mozilla.org's wish-list. Eventually this should tie in with the name list to show appointed responsibilities. (2) An advocacy group if necessary. This group would go around to various FreeBSD newsgroups, mailing lists, IRC channels, etc. to find *seriously* interested parties who would like to contribute. Once the name list levels off and we have a clear idea of who (so far) is interested, this group should be assembled and deployed. (3) A FAQ. It's not too early to start work on a FAQ that we can place on the web page and maintain as time goes by. It's a bit late here and I'm getting sleepy, so if anyone else has any other ideas, feel free to contribute! Let's not let this project die a miserable, flaming death! -- Anthony Chavez Ph'nglui mglw'nafh "BOB" D'lyeh Wgah'nagl Dhobbz f'htagn. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Mon Jun 8 23:06:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09242 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:06:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA09211 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:06:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA02214; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:05:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Joe Abley cc: Tony Kimball , magus@xmission.com, freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hello? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Jun 1998 14:39:53 +1200." Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 23:05:35 -0700 Message-ID: <2210.897372335@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, before we do anything, we should decide if the mozilla.org team's releasing of their CVS repository makes it even worth keeping our own copy around anymore. If the answer is "no", I'll reclaim a lot of space on bento by nuking it. If the answer is "yes", we need to have a pretty good explanation for why we're balkanizing things. - Jordan > On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Tony Kimball wrote: > > > Quoth Anthony C. Chavez on , 8 June: > > : I just re-subscribed to the list and I'm not receiving anything. Is the list > > : dead? > > : > > > > Pretty much. The interest in actually doing FreeBSD-specific work on > > Mozilla seems to be underwhelming. > > Is it worth doing a kind of "hands-up" on who is actually subscribed to > this list _and_ interested in hacking the source? > > I'm keen to get my hands dirty - but there seems hardly any point doing > anything on my own if other people are already checking source in and out > on a regular basis. If there is nothing coordinated going on, and other > people are interested, could we get something started? > > Do Netscape have a FreeBSD build machine? I see columns in TinderBox for > Linux and various "mainstream" commercial OSes, but nothing for FreeBSD... > > > Joe > > -- > Joe Abley Tel +64 9 912-4065, Fax +64 9 912-5008 > Network Architect, CLEAR Net http://www.clear.net.nz/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Tue Jun 9 00:39:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA19105 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:39:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA19093 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:39:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Tom@mercia.com) Received: from (www.mercialincs.com) [194.217.81.2] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yjJ0W-0001yy-00; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:39:48 +0100 Received: by mailgate.mercia.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:42:54 +0100 Message-ID: <9500FBE37C19D1118D2200A0C907E0A530E334@MERCIA_2> From: Tom Brown To: "'freeBSD-Mozilla@freebsd.org'" Subject: Dead mailing list! Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:40:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Things do seem to have got a little quiet. Thus far my experiences with Netscape 5 are. Got the tar. Installed on my BSD machine. Descovered I needed Motif (Still don't know if this is freely available, though I hear it's provided with Linux.). Couldn't find a copy of Motif. Got version 4.04 running instead. I guess the best assistance I could provide would be writing a comprehensive README.html file with some instructions for easy compilation. Just as soon as I find out where I can get a copy of Motif that doesn't cost $1200 or get the correct lib's. Can anyone advise me ??? Tom Brown. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Tue Jun 9 01:00:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA21255 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 01:00:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA21236 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA10363; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:03:12 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199806090803.SAA10363@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Dead mailing list! In-Reply-To: <9500FBE37C19D1118D2200A0C907E0A530E334@MERCIA_2> from Tom Brown at "Jun 9, 98 08:40:48 am" To: Tom@mercia.com (Tom Brown) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:03:12 +1000 (EST) Cc: freeBSD-Mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tom Brown wrote: > Just as soon as I find out where I can get a copy of Motif that doesn't cost > $1200 or get the correct lib's. US$149 from www.xig.com -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Tue Jun 9 01:38:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA26673 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 01:38:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mrelay.jrc.it (mrelay.jrc.it [139.191.1.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA26652 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 01:38:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dirk.vangulik@jrc.it) Received: from elpc36.jrc.it (elpc36.jrc.it [139.191.71.36]) by mrelay.jrc.it (LMC5688) with ESMTP id KAA18569; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:38:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dirkx@localhost) by elpc36.jrc.it (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA15607; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:39:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from dirkx) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:39:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik X-Sender: dirkx@elpc36.jrc.it To: John Birrell cc: Tom Brown , freeBSD-Mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dead mailing list! In-Reply-To: <199806090803.SAA10363@cimlogic.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, John Birrell wrote: > Tom Brown wrote: > > Just as soon as I find out where I can get a copy of Motif that doesn't cost > > $1200 or get the correct lib's. > US$149 from www.xig.com You've tried it with a lesstiff/kde combo. Though KDE itself is a bit flakey and messy, together with lesstif you have all the support needed to get mozilla to compile and run. DW To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Tue Jun 9 02:15:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA01732 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 02:15:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep1-orange.clear.net.nz (fep1-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA01723 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 02:15:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jabley@clear.co.nz) Received: from buddha.clear.net.nz (buddha.clear.net.nz [192.168.24.106]) by fep1-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.9) with ESMTP id VAA01166; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:14:30 +1200 (NZST) Received: from localhost (jabley@localhost) by buddha.clear.net.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA03990; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:14:23 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from jabley@clear.co.nz) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:14:23 +1200 (NZST) From: Joe Abley X-Sender: jabley@buddha.clear.net.nz To: Dirk-Willem van Gulik cc: John Birrell , Tom Brown , freeBSD-Mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dead mailing list! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: > You've tried it with a lesstiff/kde combo. Though KDE itself is a bit > flakey and messy, together with lesstif you have all the support needed > to get mozilla to compile and run. What does kde add? I was under the (mistaken, obviously) impression that KDE wasn't really much more than a window manager. Joe -- Joe Abley Tel +64 9 912-4065, Fax +64 9 912-5008 Network Architect, CLEAR Net http://www.clear.net.nz/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Tue Jun 9 05:22:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA00504 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 05:22:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hercules.orion.ab.ca (hercules.orion.ab.ca [207.134.218.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA00447 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 05:22:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from timp@orion.ab.ca) Received: from orion.ab.ca (h24-64-22-223.cg.wave.shaw.ca [24.64.22.223]) by hercules.orion.ab.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA08641; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 06:54:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <357D28A9.C3435D07@orion.ab.ca> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 12:20:57 +0000 From: Tim Pushor Organization: Orion Technologies Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Birrell CC: Tom Brown , freeBSD-Mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: XIG Motif (was Re: Dead mailing list!) References: <199806090803.SAA10363@cimlogic.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Birrell wrote: > Tom Brown wrote: > > Just as soon as I find out where I can get a copy of Motif that doesn't cost > > $1200 or get the correct lib's. > > US$149 from www.xig.com Hmmm I purchased this Motif 2.0 from XIG some time ago when FreeBSD release level was at 2.1.7. As soon as I upgraded to 2.2 (and the corresponding XFree86 release) it broke Motif. Things would still build but would very often dump core. XIG's solution was to use the XFree release from 2.1.7 and if I needed the newer video drivers from the newer releases to just use the newer releases server, and the old releases libs. I had Motif running for about 30 days before it did not get installed again on any of my machines.. They aren't even answering my email anymore about a newer version of Motif. Has anyone else had similar experiences? Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Tue Jun 9 05:24:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA01496 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 05:24:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mrelay.jrc.it (mrelay.jrc.it [139.191.1.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA01395 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 05:24:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dirk.vangulik@jrc.it) Received: from elpc36.jrc.it (elpc36.jrc.it [139.191.71.36]) by mrelay.jrc.it (LMC5688) with ESMTP id MAA23344; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:31:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dirkx@localhost) by elpc36.jrc.it (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA15725; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:33:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from dirkx) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:33:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik X-Sender: dirkx@elpc36.jrc.it To: Joe Abley cc: Dirk-Willem van Gulik , John Birrell , Tom Brown , freeBSD-Mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dead mailing list! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Joe Abley wrote: > > You've tried it with a lesstiff/kde combo. Though KDE itself is a bit > > flakey and messy, together with lesstif you have all the support needed > > to get mozilla to compile and run. > What does kde add? I was under the (mistaken, obviously) impression that > KDE wasn't really much more than a window manager. Some usefull #defines and macro's making Motif faking a bit better. Some of this made it into lesstiff. Dw. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Tue Jun 9 05:36:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA06474 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 05:36:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA06368 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 05:36:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA03125; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:40:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Tom Brown cc: "'freeBSD-Mozilla@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Dead mailing list! In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Jun 1998 08:40:48 BST." <9500FBE37C19D1118D2200A0C907E0A530E334@MERCIA_2> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 04:40:16 -0700 Message-ID: <3121.897392416@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Descovered I needed Motif (Still don't know if this is freely available, > though I hear it's provided with Linux.). Wrong. It's licenseware regardless of the platform. See www.xig.com for ordering details. > Just as soon as I find out where I can get a copy of Motif that doesn't cost > $1200 or get the correct lib's. It never cost anywhere near as much as that. http://www.xig.com/products/pricelst.html shows it at $149 for the FreeBSD version. > Can anyone advise me ??? Install lesstif instead, observe how Mozilla fails to operate with it, improve lesstif (sending any and all changes back to the maintainers listed at www.lesstif.org) until Mozilla no longer has problems with lesstif's Motif emulation. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Tue Jun 9 06:11:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15516 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 06:11:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (root@news.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA15085 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 06:09:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Received: from LOCAL (uucp@localhost) by news.IAEhv.nl (8.8.8/1.63) with IAEhv.nl; pid 15057 on Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:08:29 GMT; id NAA15057 efrom: marc@bowtie.nl; eto: UNKNOWN Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10796; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:05:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Message-Id: <199806091305.PAA10796@nietzsche.intra.bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Tim Pushor Cc: freeBSD-Mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XIG Motif (was Re: Dead mailing list!) In-reply-to: timp's message of Tue, 09 Jun 1998 12:20:57 -0000. <357D28A9.C3435D07@orion.ab.ca> Reply-to: marc@bowtie.nl Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 15:05:15 +0200 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > John Birrell wrote: > > > Tom Brown wrote: > > > Just as soon as I find out where I can get a copy of Motif that doesn't cost > > > $1200 or get the correct lib's. > > > > US$149 from www.xig.com > > Hmmm I purchased this Motif 2.0 from XIG some time ago when FreeBSD release level > was at 2.1.7. As soon as I upgraded to 2.2 (and the corresponding XFree86 > release) it broke Motif. Things would still build but would very often dump core. > XIG's solution was to use the XFree release from 2.1.7 and if I needed the newer > video drivers from the newer releases to just use the newer releases server, and > the old releases libs. I had Motif running for about 30 days before it did not > get installed again on any of my machines.. > > They aren't even answering my email anymore about a newer version of Motif. > > Has anyone else had similar experiences? > That's ridiculous, I compiled motif 1.2 from source for FreeBSD 2.0, and it's still working without a problem. I don't know what they did to mess their version up like that! (I'm using FreeBSD 2.2.6 + XFree86 3.1.2 now) Marc. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Tue Jun 9 06:17:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA17056 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 06:17:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA17040 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 06:17:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Tom@mercia.com) Received: from (www.mercialincs.com) [194.217.81.2] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yjM9r-0004N0-00; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:01:39 +0100 Received: by mailgate.mercia.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:04:45 +0100 Message-ID: <9500FBE37C19D1118D2200A0C907E0A530E338@MERCIA_2> From: Tom Brown To: "'THIERRY.HERBELOT@telspace.alcatel.fr'" , "'freeBSD-Mozilla@freebsd.org'" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_R=E9p_=3A_Dead_mailing_list=21?= Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:02:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id GAA17043 Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Where from? > -----Original Message----- > From: THIERRY.HERBELOT@telspace.alcatel.fr > [SMTP:THIERRY.HERBELOT@telspace.alcatel.fr] > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 9:40 AM > To: Tom@mercia.com > Cc: freeBSD-Mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Rép : Dead mailing list! > > > you can get the precompiled package > > TfH > > > ____________________________ Séparateur Réponse > ________________________________ > Objet : Dead mailing list! > Auteur : Tom@mercia.com > Date : 09/06/98 09:40 > > > Hi, > > Things do seem to have got a little quiet. > > Thus far my experiences with Netscape 5 are. > > Got the tar. > Installed on my BSD machine. > Descovered I needed Motif (Still don't know if this is freely available, > though I hear it's provided with Linux.). > Couldn't find a copy of Motif. > Got version 4.04 running instead. > > I guess the best assistance I could provide would be writing a > comprehensive > README.html file with some instructions for easy compilation. > > Just as soon as I find out where I can get a copy of Motif that doesn't > cost > $1200 or get the correct lib's. > > > Can anyone advise me ??? > > Tom Brown. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Tue Jun 9 06:23:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA18590 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 06:23:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alcatel.fr (news2.alcatel.fr [194.133.58.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA18567 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 06:23:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from THIERRY.HERBELOT@telspace.alcatel.fr) From: THIERRY.HERBELOT@telspace.alcatel.fr Received: from alcatel.fr (gatekeeper-ssn.alcatel.fr [155.132.180.244]) by mailgate.alcatel.fr (ALCANET/SMTP.9.9.9) with ESMTP id LAA00286; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:02:33 +0200 Received: from aifhs1.alcatel.fr (aifhs1.alcatel.fr [155.132.180.86]) by aifhs2.alcatel.fr (ALCANET/SMTP2) with ESMTP id KAA19333; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:51:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aifhs2.alcatel.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aifhs1.alcatel.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25614; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:55:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from lune.telspace.alcatel.fr (lune.telspace.alcatel.fr [155.132.144.65]) by aifhs2.alcatel.fr (ALCANET/SMTP2) with ESMTP id KAA19225; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:51:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from telss1 (telss1.telspace.alcatel.fr [155.132.51.4]) by lune.telspace.alcatel.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA23594; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:55:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from telspace.alcatel.fr by telss1 (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02773; Tue, 9 Jun 98 10:44:37 +0200 Received: from localhost by telspace.alcatel.fr with SMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA118401654; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:40:54 +0200 X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 98 10:40:14 +0200 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9500FBE37C19D1118D2200A0C907E0A530E334@MERCIA_2> Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p_:_Dead_mailing_list!?= Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Tom@mercia.com Cc: freeBSD-Mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; name="Dead" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Dead" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id GAA18583 Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG you can get the precompiled package TfH ____________________________ Séparateur Réponse ________________________________ Objet : Dead mailing list! Auteur : Tom@mercia.com Date : 09/06/98 09:40 Hi, Things do seem to have got a little quiet. Thus far my experiences with Netscape 5 are. Got the tar. Installed on my BSD machine. Descovered I needed Motif (Still don't know if this is freely available, though I hear it's provided with Linux.). Couldn't find a copy of Motif. Got version 4.04 running instead. I guess the best assistance I could provide would be writing a comprehensive README.html file with some instructions for easy compilation. Just as soon as I find out where I can get a copy of Motif that doesn't cost $1200 or get the correct lib's. Can anyone advise me ??? Tom Brown. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Tue Jun 9 06:41:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA23315 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 06:41:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA23211 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 06:41:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Tom@mercia.com) Received: from (www.mercialincs.com) [194.217.81.2] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yjOe7-0002hx-00; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:41:04 +0100 Received: by mailgate.mercia.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:44:05 +0100 Message-ID: <9500FBE37C19D1118D2200A0C907E0A530E33B@MERCIA_2> From: Tom Brown To: "'Tim Pushor'" , John Birrell Cc: freeBSD-Mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: XIG Motif (was Re: Dead mailing list!) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:41:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok I admit I'm new to this GNU stuff so these questions are going to sound realy trivial but: Why bother to realease this source into the public domain if you then have to go out and buy the the software neccessary to build it? It was my impression that the whole point of the free release was to encorage tranee programmers like myself to get into the product a zero cost and later proliferate it in the workplace under a licence (Honesty allowing). Confused ! Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Pushor [SMTP:timp@orion.ab.ca] > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 1:21 PM > To: John Birrell > Cc: Tom Brown; freeBSD-Mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: XIG Motif (was Re: Dead mailing list!) > > John Birrell wrote: > > > Tom Brown wrote: > > > Just as soon as I find out where I can get a copy of Motif that > doesn't cost > > > $1200 or get the correct lib's. > > > > US$149 from www.xig.com > > Hmmm I purchased this Motif 2.0 from XIG some time ago when FreeBSD > release level > was at 2.1.7. As soon as I upgraded to 2.2 (and the corresponding XFree86 > release) it broke Motif. Things would still build but would very often > dump core. > XIG's solution was to use the XFree release from 2.1.7 and if I needed the > newer > video drivers from the newer releases to just use the newer releases > server, and > the old releases libs. I had Motif running for about 30 days before it did > not > get installed again on any of my machines.. > > They aren't even answering my email anymore about a newer version of > Motif. > > Has anyone else had similar experiences? > > Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Tue Jun 9 07:01:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA28161 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 07:01:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hercules.orion.ab.ca (hercules.orion.ab.ca [207.134.218.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA28149 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 07:01:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from timp@orion.ab.ca) Received: from tpushor.shl.com ([159.249.40.234]) by hercules.orion.ab.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA08791; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:34:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002001bd93e1$1e141840$ea28f99f@tpushor.shl.com> From: "Tim Pushor" To: "Tom Brown" , "John Birrell" Cc: Subject: Re: XIG Motif (was Re: Dead mailing list!) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:58:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, this is rather off topic but I highly doubt Netscape's intention was to release the code so that Trainee programmers could get their feet wet ;-) I do agree with the fact that Free Software should try to not use Motif if at all possible. I am surprised by the fact that the Hungry programmers are not using the release of Mozilla as an opportunity to polish their Motif clone code. This would give them a significant amount of exposure, and maybe they wouldn't be hungry any more :) BTW GNU is a completely different thing... Tim -----Original Message----- From: Tom Brown To: 'Tim Pushor' ; John Birrell Cc: freeBSD-Mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 8:14 AM Subject: RE: XIG Motif (was Re: Dead mailing list!) >Ok I admit I'm new to this GNU stuff so these questions are going to sound >realy trivial but: > >Why bother to realease this source into the public domain if you then have >to go out and buy the the software neccessary to build it? > >It was my impression that the whole point of the free release was to >encorage tranee programmers like myself to get into the product a zero cost >and later proliferate it in the workplace under a licence (Honesty >allowing). > >Confused ! > >Tom > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tim Pushor [SMTP:timp@orion.ab.ca] >> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 1:21 PM >> To: John Birrell >> Cc: Tom Brown; freeBSD-Mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG >> Subject: XIG Motif (was Re: Dead mailing list!) >> >> John Birrell wrote: >> >> > Tom Brown wrote: >> > > Just as soon as I find out where I can get a copy of Motif that >> doesn't cost >> > > $1200 or get the correct lib's. >> > >> > US$149 from www.xig.com >> >> Hmmm I purchased this Motif 2.0 from XIG some time ago when FreeBSD >> release level >> was at 2.1.7. As soon as I upgraded to 2.2 (and the corresponding XFree86 >> release) it broke Motif. Things would still build but would very often >> dump core. >> XIG's solution was to use the XFree release from 2.1.7 and if I needed the >> newer >> video drivers from the newer releases to just use the newer releases >> server, and >> the old releases libs. I had Motif running for about 30 days before it did >> not >> get installed again on any of my machines.. >> >> They aren't even answering my email anymore about a newer version of >> Motif. >> >> Has anyone else had similar experiences? >> >> Tim > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Tue Jun 9 07:31:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA05097 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 07:31:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA05081 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 07:30:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA03652; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 07:29:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Tom Brown cc: "'Tim Pushor'" , John Birrell , freeBSD-Mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XIG Motif (was Re: Dead mailing list!) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Jun 1998 14:41:59 BST." <9500FBE37C19D1118D2200A0C907E0A530E33B@MERCIA_2> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 07:29:40 -0700 Message-ID: <3648.897402580@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Why bother to realease this source into the public domain if you then have > to go out and buy the the software neccessary to build it? Well, it hardly started out as free software and, as such, can be forgiven for having a few remaining commercial dependencies. Motif is hardly the only such commercial software-dependant feature in Mozilla either, the mail subsystem, java interpreter and SSL bits being the very first casualties of the transition process. Removing the Motif UI stuff as well would have been taking it too far - not only would it have deprived aspiring programmers like yourself of the opportunity to make the existing UI code work with free Motif-like solutions like lesstif, it would have also robbed the folks who later did a Qt port of Mozilla of a perfectly good working example to copy. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Tue Jun 9 08:04:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12809 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:04:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from couatl.uchicago.edu (couatl.uchicago.edu [128.135.21.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA12773 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:04:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sfarrell@couatl.uchicago.edu) Received: (from sfarrell@localhost) by couatl.uchicago.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) id KAA03051; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:03:51 -0500 (CDT) To: Tom Brown Cc: freeBSD-Mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XIG Motif (was Re: Dead mailing list!) References: <9500FBE37C19D1118D2200A0C907E0A530E33B@MERCIA_2> From: sfarrell+lists@farrell.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 09 Jun 1998 10:03:51 -0500 In-Reply-To: Tom Brown's message of "Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:41:59 +0100" Message-ID: <87n2bmd3c8.fsf@couatl.uchicago.edu> Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.9/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tom Brown writes: > Ok I admit I'm new to this GNU stuff so these questions are going to sound > realy trivial but: > > Why bother to realease this source into the public domain if you then have > to go out and buy the the software neccessary to build it? > > It was my impression that the whole point of the free release was to > encorage tranee programmers like myself to get into the product a zero cost > and later proliferate it in the workplace under a licence (Honesty > allowing). > > Confused ! Historically NS was built with motif: they can't change that. There are efforts underway to get lesstif good enough to work with it well; make a port that uses gtk instead of motif; make a port that uses qt instead of motif. -- Steve Farrell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Tue Jun 9 08:26:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA18144 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:26:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from calliope1.fm.intel.com (calliope1.fm.intel.com [132.233.247.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA18095 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:26:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from clark.d.ritchie@intel.com) Received: from fmsmsx26.fm.intel.com (fmsmsx26.fm.intel.com [132.233.42.26]) by calliope1.fm.intel.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14928 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:25:39 GMT Message-Id: <199806091525.PAA14928@calliope1.fm.intel.com> Received: by FMSMSX26 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:25:39 -0700 From: "Ritchie, Clark D" To: freeBSD-Mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: who is in charge? Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:17:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is also my first experience with this sort of GNU-like project so I am tempted to keep mum. But by the same token I am anxious to get something going even if I am a FreeBSD newbie. While I haven't downlaoded the source yet, what (if any) opportunities exist for Java programmers? I am not the most proficient C/C++ person but I've got a fair amount of the former under my belt, so that's where I can contribute. Moving on to organization, how / who spearheads what is going on? I have a lot of "little" projects I'd like to do but someone may already be working on them. Also it looks like the mail/news source has not yet been released? Is this so? Finally, what is the preferred forum for bouncing ideas / designs off one another, this list? TIA... CDR To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Tue Jun 9 10:01:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12308 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:01:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peloton.physics.montana.edu (peloton.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12244 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:00:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA01270; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:59:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:59:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Brett Taylor To: Tom Brown cc: "'freeBSD-Mozilla@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Dead mailing list! In-Reply-To: <9500FBE37C19D1118D2200A0C907E0A530E334@MERCIA_2> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Installed on my BSD machine. > Descovered I needed Motif (Still don't know if this is freely available, > though I hear it's provided with Linux.). I doubt every Linux distribution contains Motif. Regardless, Mozilla compiles fine w/ lesstif which is free. cd /usr/ports/x11/lesstif && make all install clean Brett ********************************************************* Brett Taylor brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu http://peloton.physics.montana.edu/brett/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Tue Jun 9 10:19:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15258 for freebsd-mozilla-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:19:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15234 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:18:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id NAA07449; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:18:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: "Ritchie, Clark D" cc: freeBSD-Mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: who is in charge? In-Reply-To: <199806091525.PAA14928@calliope1.fm.intel.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Ritchie, Clark D wrote: > While I haven't downlaoded the source yet, what (if any) opportunities > exist for Java programmers? I am not the most proficient C/C++ person > but I've got a fair amount of the former under my belt, so that's where > I can contribute. Whatever you feel like doing, go for it :) > Moving on to organization, how / who spearheads what is going on? I > have a lot of "little" projects I'd like to do but someone may already > be working on them. It's pretty loose. Mainly just toss ideas out on the list and see what happens. If there is no feedback to any of your ideas it could be because no one has any objections :) > Also it looks like the mail/news source has not yet been released? Is > this so? Not sure. > Finally, what is the preferred forum for bouncing ideas / designs off > one another, this list? TIA... CDR The list is the best place for ideas, and the like. Chris -- "Linux... The choice of a GNUtered generation.." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. 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In-Reply-To: <357D28A9.C3435D07@orion.ab.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We are authorized resellers for XIG, and I have noticed that they are moving away from their OSF ports and focusing on their X-Servers, which make them more money. I also think that their user base is becoming more and more linuxy. They had a strong NetBSD/FreeNSD/BSDI base at their inception, but now they are strongly Linux oriented. I also know that all their examples do not even build out of the box. I have to hack all the Makefiles for a release that is supposed to be ported to FreeBSD. Their periodic table of widgets didn't even build on their 2.2 release last I checked. I did not spend much time on it though; I am sure with enough effort it would, but why should we have to kludge an OS-specific release? I do not speak for XIG or Atipa in any way; I am only relaying what I have noticed recently. I do not know if they have any plans to change these things. How stable and portable is Qt? Might this be a better solution? Is the JDK set on using Motif? Kevin