From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Jul 27 19:04:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09264 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:04:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebsd.scds.com (jseger.shore.net [204.167.102.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09249 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:04:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jseger@freebsd.scds.com) Received: (from jseger@localhost) by freebsd.scds.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id WAA04405; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807280214.WAA04405@freebsd.scds.com> From: "Justin M. Seger" To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Snappy Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi guys. I was wondering if there was any software available for FreeBSD that could grab pictures from a Snappy (parallel port frame grabber). If not, does anyone know of any software for Linux that would do it? Thanks in advance, -Justin Seger- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jul 28 11:04:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05189 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:04:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05025 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:03:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA16927 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:03:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:03:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: bt848 page back online Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all .. The FreeBSD Bt848 page is back (TEMPORARILY) at http://gable.nrl.cs.uoregon.edu/~dwhite/Bt848.html Please use this page SPARINGLY, i.e. if you _need_ the driver or info on it. Please don't register this URL in search engines or spread it too widely since it will change again shortly. I will petition to have this added to the FreeBSD.ORG site so it has a permanent home. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jul 28 14:30:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19599 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:30:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from control.colossus.dyn.ml.org (dburr@206-18-115-54.la.inreach.net [206.18.115.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19475; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:29:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@colossus.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from dburr@localhost) by control.colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02152; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:27:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Computer Help From: Donald Burr To: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: The future of the bt848 driver? (FW: cvs commit: CVSROOT avail) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----FW: <199807280929.CAA17979@freefall.freebsd.org>----- Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 02:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Poul-Henning Kamp To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: CVSROOT avail phk 1998/07/28 02:29:02 PDT Modified files: . avail Log: Amancio Hasty has stepped down as maintainer of the bt848 driver. Revision Changes Path 1.38 +2 -2 CVSROOT/avail --------------End of forwarded message------------------------- It looks like the Amancio vs. soren thing was never resolved, and he just decided to throw in the towel. What does this mean re: the future of the bt848 driver? Will it still be maintained in a reasonable fashion, or will it become yet another piece of rotting software, like the floppy-tape system (ft) for example? Why did it have to come down to this, anyway? (Enquiring minds want to know...) --dburr, who is sad at the possible loss of his favorite piece of computer hardware, the TV tuner card --- Donald Burr *NEW EMAIL ADDRESS!* | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. >>FreeBSD - Turning PCs into Workstations - http://www.freebsd.org/<< To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Jul 28 14:58:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26436 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:58:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26330 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:57:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id HAA02580; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:59:36 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199807282159.HAA02580@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: The future of the bt848 driver? (FW: cvs commit: CVSROOT avail) In-Reply-To: from Donald Burr at "Jul 28, 98 02:27:32 pm" To: dburr@pobox.com (Donald Burr) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:59:36 +1000 (EST) Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Donald Burr wrote: > What does this mean re: the future of the bt848 driver? Will it still be > maintained in a reasonable fashion, or will it become yet another piece of > rotting software, like the floppy-tape system (ft) for example? I hope that someone on this list will pick it up. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Jul 29 00:38:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA03735 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:38:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.charite.de (gatekeeper.charite.de [193.175.72.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA03685 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:38:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from udo.wolter@charite.de) Received: by gatekeeper.charite.de; (5.65/1.1.8.2/17Oct95-0336PM) id AA32624; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:33:38 +0200 Received: from mailhost(193.175.66.33) by gatekeeper.charite.de via smap (V1.3-JSC) id sma022878; Wed Jul 29 09:33:22 1998 Received: from postamt1.charite.de by mailhost.charite.de (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/08Mar95-0213PM) id AA13720; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:33:23 +0200 Received: from localhost by postamt1.charite.de; (5.65/1.1.8.2/16Aug95-0231PM) id AA15511; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:33:23 +0200 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:33:22 +0200 (MET DST) From: uwp@charite.de Reply-To: udo.wolter@charite.de To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Drops and breaks in Luigi's Audio system Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi ! I have Version 2.2.6R installed here and I chose Luigi's Audio driver. It works quite well, but sometimes (I think when there's an interruption of the audio stream, maybe with Ctrl-C or anything else) I get drops and the audio sysem only comes back after reboot. It happens when I'm playing MPEG-Layer3 audio files. sometimes the player (mpg123, x11amp seems to only work with the OSS system...:-(( ) just stops and nothing happens. After this event every try to play any mp3 file again doesn't work, which means: there is no sound and the player never stops. There's no message in the logfile (I can remember this problem in the old days of Luigi's driver, but at these times it has been worse, now it seems to be better). This also happens when I'm just playing wav-files or when I'm using other audio tools. Here are my config-entries: controller pnp0 device pcm0 at isa ? port ? tty irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x0 vector pcmintr The kernel messages during boot are as follows: Jul 28 18:18:24 low-tech /kernel: Probing for PnP devices: Jul 28 18:18:24 low-tech /kernel: No Plug-n-Play devices were found (This is fun because in my opinion it is a pnp card) Jul 28 18:18:25 low-tech /kernel: pcm0 at 0x530 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0xa400 on isa Jul 28 18:18:25 low-tech /kernel: mss_attach 0 at 0x530 irq 5 dma 1:1 flags 0xa400 cat /dev/sndstat: FreeBSD Audio Driver (980215) Jul 6 1998 10:17:21 Installed devices: pcm0: at 0x530 irq 5 dma 1:1 Can anyone help me ? It would be a big help if it could be possible to restart the audio system without rebooting. Is there any feature ? Bye, Udo -- Udo Wolter, email: uwp@cs.tu-berlin.de !!! LOW-TECH Page: http://LOW-TECH.home.ml.org !!! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Jul 29 02:16:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18390 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 02:16:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from login.dknet.dk (fj@login.dknet.dk [193.88.44.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18211; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 02:15:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fj@login.dknet.dk) Received: (from fj@localhost) by login.dknet.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02623; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:15:06 +0200 (MET DST) From: Flemming Jacobsen Message-Id: <199807290915.LAA02623@login.dknet.dk> Subject: Re: The future of the bt848 driver? (FW: cvs commit: CVSROOT avail) To: dburr@pobox.com (Donald Burr) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 98 11:15:06 MET DST Cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, phk@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: ; from "Donald Burr" at Jul 28, 98 2:27 pm Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, > Why did it have to come down to this, anyway? (Enquiring minds want to > know...) Since it's unlikely that any of the three will comment, I'll share what I know. I've known PHK since highschool, and Soeren for a couple of years, thus when I saw Amancios post on -multimedia I sent them a mail which (in essence) said "What the fuck are you two bozos doing ?". We exchanged a flurry of emails that day (Fri 17) - sharing main language and timezone works wonders for communication. What happened seem to be: Soeren sent Amancio a patch to get his AVer Media card working (10 lines added to the card table). After waiting for 1+ months, Soeren checked it in himself. Amancio didn't like this and wanted to back it out, but was told by PHK that this was unacceptable unless he added the same functionality. Amancio couldn't accept this, and walked out. I realize that I've pretty much only got Sorens and PHKs side, but I've confirmed the 10 line uncomplicted patch by looking at the CVS tree. Hyg' Flemming -- Flemming Jacobsen Email: fj@login.dknet.dk Phone: +45 3916 1833 ---=== If speed kills, Windows users may live forever. ===--- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Jul 29 08:22:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12771 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:22:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA12547; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:20:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA27782; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:20:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA26782; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:20:08 -0600 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:20:08 -0600 Message-Id: <199807291520.JAA26782@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Flemming Jacobsen Cc: dburr@pobox.com (Donald Burr), freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, phk@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The future of the bt848 driver? (FW: cvs commit: CVSROOT avail) In-Reply-To: <199807290915.LAA02623@login.dknet.dk> References: <199807290915.LAA02623@login.dknet.dk> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Why did it have to come down to this, anyway? (Enquiring minds want to > > know...) > > Since it's unlikely that any of the three will comment, I'll > share what I know. > > I've known PHK since highschool, and Soeren for a couple of > years, thus when I saw Amancios post on -multimedia I sent them a > mail which (in essence) said "What the fuck are you two bozos > doing ?". We exchanged a flurry of emails that day (Fri 17) - > sharing main language and timezone works wonders for communication. > > What happened seem to be: > Soeren sent Amancio a patch to get his AVer Media card working > (10 lines added to the card table). > After waiting for 1+ months, Soeren checked it in himself. > Amancio didn't like this and wanted to back it out, but was > told by PHK that this was unacceptable unless he added the same > functionality. > Amancio couldn't accept this, and walked out. Yep. The only thing I want to point out is that both PHK and S'ren both threw out the "I'm a core member and you better do what I tell you else we'll yank your commit privileges" bit, which rubs *everyone* wrong. This isn't the first time they've been heavy-handed about it, nor will it be the last. It annoys me that they can do *wrong* things in many people's minds and justify them by being a 'core' member. Being a core member doesn't make it right anymore than just because they company is named Microsoft makes everything they do wrong. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Jul 29 09:00:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA20472 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:00:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20130; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:59:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01494; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:59:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199807291559.IAA01494@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Nate Williams cc: Flemming Jacobsen , dburr@pobox.com (Donald Burr), freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, phk@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The future of the bt848 driver? (FW: cvs commit: CVSROOT avail) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:20:08 MDT." <199807291520.JAA26782@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:59:13 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Nate, You got the essence of my dispute furthermore I posted to the hacker's mailing asking for a policy clarification for scenarios like Soren and I and I got 0 response. Amancio > > > Why did it have to come down to this, anyway? (Enquiring minds want to > > > know...) > > > > Since it's unlikely that any of the three will comment, I'll > > share what I know. > > > > I've known PHK since highschool, and Soeren for a couple of > > years, thus when I saw Amancios post on -multimedia I sent them a > > mail which (in essence) said "What the fuck are you two bozos > > doing ?". We exchanged a flurry of emails that day (Fri 17) - > > sharing main language and timezone works wonders for communication. > > > > What happened seem to be: > > Soeren sent Amancio a patch to get his AVer Media card working > > (10 lines added to the card table). > > After waiting for 1+ months, Soeren checked it in himself. > > Amancio didn't like this and wanted to back it out, but was > > told by PHK that this was unacceptable unless he added the same > > functionality. > > Amancio couldn't accept this, and walked out. > > Yep. The only thing I want to point out is that both PHK and S'ren both > threw out the "I'm a core member and you better do what I tell you else > we'll yank your commit privileges" bit, which rubs *everyone* wrong. > This isn't the first time they've been heavy-handed about it, nor will > it be the last. > > It annoys me that they can do *wrong* things in many people's minds and > justify them by being a 'core' member. Being a core member doesn't make > it right anymore than just because they company is named Microsoft makes > everything they do wrong. > > > > Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Jul 29 09:57:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03200 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:57:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03177; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:57:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01798; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:57:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199807291657.JAA01798@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Flemming Jacobsen cc: dburr@pobox.com (Donald Burr), freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, phk@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The future of the bt848 driver? (FW: cvs commit: CVSROOT avail) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:15:06 +0700." <199807290915.LAA02623@login.dknet.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:57:09 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Soren was well informed that we were revamping the Bt848 tuner detection code and at the time of his committal we spent nearly two weeks decoding the Hauppauge's eeprom for a flawless Hauppauge's tuner algorithm. Additionally, I stated that we do have a mechanism for detecting cards/tuners which don't have an eeprom however this sort of things takes time due to the wide variety of Bt848 cards available. It is irresponsible for someone like Soren to patch the driver in such a fashion without beta testing the driver at large;addditionally, what he did is ethically tasteless. Amancio > Hi, > > > Why did it have to come down to this, anyway? (Enquiring minds want to > > know...) > > Since it's unlikely that any of the three will comment, I'll > share what I know. > > I've known PHK since highschool, and Soeren for a couple of > years, thus when I saw Amancios post on -multimedia I sent them a > mail which (in essence) said "What the fuck are you two bozos > doing ?". We exchanged a flurry of emails that day (Fri 17) - > sharing main language and timezone works wonders for communication. > > What happened seem to be: > Soeren sent Amancio a patch to get his AVer Media card working > (10 lines added to the card table). > After waiting for 1+ months, Soeren checked it in himself. > Amancio didn't like this and wanted to back it out, but was > told by PHK that this was unacceptable unless he added the same > functionality. > Amancio couldn't accept this, and walked out. > > I realize that I've pretty much only got Sorens and PHKs side, > but I've confirmed the 10 line uncomplicted patch by looking at > the CVS tree. > > > Hyg' > Flemming > > -- > Flemming Jacobsen Email: fj@login.dknet.dk Phone: +45 3916 1833 > ---=== If speed kills, Windows users may live forever. ===--- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Jul 29 10:37:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09338 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:37:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [209.47.148.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09304; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:37:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.8.8/8.7.5) with SMTP id NAA13572; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:34:06 -0400 (EDT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Amancio Hasty cc: Nate Williams , Flemming Jacobsen , Donald Burr , freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, phk@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The future of the bt848 driver? (FW: cvs commit: CVSROOT avail) In-Reply-To: <199807291559.IAA01494@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > Yep. The only thing I want to point out is that both PHK and S'ren both > > threw out the "I'm a core member and you better do what I tell you else > > we'll yank your commit privileges" bit, which rubs *everyone* wrong. > > This isn't the first time they've been heavy-handed about it, nor will > > it be the last. > > > > It annoys me that they can do *wrong* things in many people's minds and > > justify them by being a 'core' member. Being a core member doesn't make > > it right anymore than just because they company is named Microsoft makes > > everything they do wrong. Hrmmmm...could this possibly be one of the "silent" reasons why John left so suddenly also? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Jul 29 10:47:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12281 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:47:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (root@news.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12229; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:47:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Received: from LOCAL (uucp@localhost) by news.IAEhv.nl (8.8.8/1.63) with IAEhv.nl; pid 1800 on Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:46:27 GMT; id RAA01800 efrom: marc@bowtie.nl; eto: UNKNOWN Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bowtie.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08715; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:43:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Message-Id: <199807291743.TAA08715@bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Amancio Hasty cc: Nate Williams , Flemming Jacobsen , dburr@pobox.com (Donald Burr), freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, phk@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The future of the bt848 driver? (FW: cvs commit: CVSROOT avail) In-reply-to: hasty's message of Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:59:13 -0700. <199807291559.IAA01494@rah.star-gate.com> Reply-to: marc@bowtie.nl Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:43:21 +0200 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi Nate, > > You got the essence of my dispute furthermore I posted to the hacker's mailing > asking for a policy clarification for scenarios like Soren and I and I got > 0 response. > > Amancio > I, for one, didn't see it, perhaps you should try again. On one hand I can conceive that it is neccessary at times to use the "I'm a core member argument", on the other hand, this should be a last resort, if all other methods fail to reach an agreement. Over the years I have always found it difficult, as a reader of the mailing lists, to form an opinion about some dispute that would be going on at one time or another, and the same occurs here. However, it seems to me that in this case, more respect should have been shown for a volunteer that tries to maintain and enhance a piece of the freebsd software distribution. Sounds like ego-clashing to me. Has this been discussed in the -core mailing list at all? Have any other core members acted as an intermediate? Marc. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Jul 29 11:02:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16045 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:02:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16034; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:02:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01996; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:01:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199807291801.LAA01996@rah.star-gate.com> To: The Hermit Hacker cc: Amancio Hasty , Nate Williams , Flemming Jacobsen , Donald Burr , freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, phk@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG, hasty@rah.star-gate.com Subject: Re: The future of the bt848 driver? (FW: cvs commit: CVSROOT avail) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:34:06 EDT." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <1993.901735315.1@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:01:55 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You ought to ask John Dyson that question. My take is that is the exact same reason. Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Jul 29 11:05:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17022 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:05:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16921; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:05:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA29162; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:04:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA28055; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:04:02 -0600 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:04:02 -0600 Message-Id: <199807291804.MAA28055@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Amancio Hasty Cc: The Hermit Hacker , Nate Williams , Flemming Jacobsen , Donald Burr , freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, phk@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The future of the bt848 driver? (FW: cvs commit: CVSROOT avail) In-Reply-To: <199807291801.LAA01996@rah.star-gate.com> References: <199807291801.LAA01996@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > You ought to ask John Dyson that question. My take is that is the > exact same reason. Naw, John *was* a core member already. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Jul 29 11:26:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23528 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:26:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [209.47.148.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23395; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:26:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.8.8/8.7.5) with SMTP id OAA17847; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:24:46 -0400 (EDT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Amancio Hasty cc: Nate Williams , Flemming Jacobsen , Donald Burr , freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, phk@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The future of the bt848 driver? (FW: cvs commit: CVSROOT avail) In-Reply-To: <199807291801.LAA01996@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > You ought to ask John Dyson that question. My take is that is the > exact same reason. I like FreeBSD, have been using it for 5 years now and can personally say that other then hardware problems on my part, its been a very smooth 5 years (I play with 3.0-CURRENT on production machines, so 'smooth' is relative *grin*)... My concern, at this point, is whether this "migration of strong developers" is a growing trend and whether "core" has any comment on the concerns raised by those that seem to indicate its "core ppl" that are causing the exodus. As at least one of those ppl has stated that, in his case, the above is the rason, and has indicated that it is at least part of the reason why John left (whether a strong part or not is unknown), "core" stating that this isn't the case would tend to lead one to believe that core doesn't feel that it is there fault and is therefore not doing anything to change it. IMHO, I'd much rather core say "ya, we know there is a problem and are working at fixing it", then stating "no problems" ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Jul 29 11:28:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24127 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:28:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [209.47.148.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23897; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:27:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.8.8/8.7.5) with SMTP id OAA18138; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:26:38 -0400 (EDT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Nate Williams cc: Amancio Hasty , Flemming Jacobsen , Donald Burr , freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, phk@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The future of the bt848 driver? (FW: cvs commit: CVSROOT avail) In-Reply-To: <199807291804.MAA28055@mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Nate Williams wrote: > > You ought to ask John Dyson that question. My take is that is the > > exact same reason. > > Naw, John *was* a core member already. Actually, that doesn't exactly eliminate the possibility...that just shifts it to a "X core members told John that he'd do it this way, while John disagreed enough to not want to be a part of the project anymore"... Damn, I watch too much X-files :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Jul 29 11:37:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26730 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:37:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26689; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:37:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA29480; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:37:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA28435; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:37:11 -0600 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:37:11 -0600 Message-Id: <199807291837.MAA28435@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: The Hermit Hacker Cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, phk@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The future of the bt848 driver? (FW: cvs commit: CVSROOT avail) In-Reply-To: References: <199807291804.MAA28055@mt.sri.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ Reduced the CC list way down ] [ Conspiracy theories abound ... ] > Damn, I watch too much X-files :) No kidding. I should have kept my mouth shut in the first place, but my intent wasn't to slam core, or the core members in general. My intent was to state my take on what happended with Amancio. Lord nows I've had my beefs with him (I've got email to prove it..), but I don't like the attitude that I perceive a few core members portray. Does this mean I think they haven't worked their butts off for FreeBSD? Of course not, but there are alot of people who work as hard as they do but don't get 'core' recognition, nor do most of the core people 'justify' their actions by using the 'core' club. Bad code/decisions aren't justified by being a core member, and neither is the inability to work with others. Being a core members means that they have a *responsibility* to make FreeBSD better, and not to lower themselves to pushing their weight around. Heck, if I were to venture a guess, I'd say that John left because he couldn't work with the other members of core, for whatever reason. That's a good reason to leave the core (it was mine), and I've never regretted it. I took a different tact than John though, and I'm still involved in FreeBSD and make changes (much to the chagrin of certain folks), but I don't try and let it bother me. But, because I'm not a core member neither do I have the responisibility of *having* to do work on FreeBSD, so I can go fishing whenever I feel like it, including just before and during a release. :) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Jul 29 12:03:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03251 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:03:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02843; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:02:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14765; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:59:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: marc@bowtie.nl cc: Amancio Hasty , Nate Williams , Flemming Jacobsen , dburr@pobox.com (Donald Burr), freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, phk@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The future of the bt848 driver? (FW: cvs commit: CVSROOT avail) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:43:21 +0200." <199807291743.TAA08715@bowtie.nl> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:59:57 -0700 Message-ID: <14761.901738797@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On one hand I can conceive that it is neccessary at times to use the > "I'm a core member argument", on the other hand, this should be a last > resort, if all other methods fail to reach an agreement. That's not really what happened in this case, nor could it obviously have happened in John's case (insert sideways look at "scrappy" here) since John was also a core member at the time. Sometimes people just come to an impasse over some issue and this problem will remain a problem until the human race either evolves into the next stage of existence or goes extinct. > However, it seems to me that in this case, more respect should have > been shown for a volunteer that tries to maintain and enhance a piece > of the freebsd software distribution. Sounds like ego-clashing to me. > > Has this been discussed in the -core mailing list at all? We discussed it to *death* and if any more discussions like that happen, it's likely that some of them will simply leave. Suffice it to say that the situation with Amancio just sucked and nobody who was involved, from Amancio to Soren to phk, handled it in anything that could be even remotely considered a professional manner. That's what makes dealing with these situations so hard - each party wants you to believe that they're the injured one and it's all the other guy's fault, and meanwhile you're reading the whole exchange and thinking "man, I'd just as soon shoot *all* of you at this point since I can't see anyone making an even halfway decent attempt to be reasonable or even mature about all this." BAH! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Jul 29 21:31:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26341 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:31:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA26332; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:31:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03753; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:31:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199807300431.VAA03753@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: marc@bowtie.nl, Nate Williams , Flemming Jacobsen , dburr@pobox.com (Donald Burr), freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, phk@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The future of the bt848 driver? (FW: cvs commit: CVSROOT avail) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:59:57 PDT." <14761.901738797@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:31:24 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > On one hand I can conceive that it is neccessary at times to use the > > "I'm a core member argument", on the other hand, this should be a last > > resort, if all other methods fail to reach an agreement. > > That's not really what happened in this case, nor could it obviously > have happened in John's case (insert sideways look at "scrappy" here) > since John was also a core member at the time. Sometimes people just Excuse me, allow me to refresh your memory 8) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:56:18 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/pci brooktree848.c Message-ID: <199807150756.AAA00917@rah.star-gate.com> In response to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG said: > sos 1998/07/14 14:20:00 PDT > Modified files: > sys/pci brooktree848.c > Log: > Add support for the AVer Media range of cards. > Revision Changes Path > 1.45 +13 -9 src/sys/pci/brooktree848.c > In message <199807150359.UAA02946@rah.star-gate.com>, Amancio Hasty writes: > >Cute, I will review the patch later on the week after my work crunch. > > > >If the patch is not good it will be wipe out on my next rev level. > > WARNING: > > Do not wipe out other peoples patches, unless you provide > the same level of functionality in "your next rev level". Background, we in the multimedia list are in the process of improving the tuner detection code due mostly to the ever increasing proliferation of bt848/tuners . So far we have identified a popular bt848 vendor Hauppauge who stores its configuration information in an eeprom over the couple of weeks we engaged in decoding the eeprom and so far we have been successful. This was an important step for detecting the known good configurations helps reduce the search space for bt848/tuners. Prior to that I send out a general query to attempt to identify the basic characteristics of the cards and I am compiling a small database of bt848 / tuner cards -- in the mean time any code dealing with tuner detection addition/deletion has been frozen by me till I get a better handle on the proper identification of the bt848/tuner cards. I have a basic question, can any committer or so called "core" tramp over any code in the tree specially if they are not the author/mantainer of the code? PHK's e-mail seems to imply that is the case. Amancio ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I naturally received 0 responses to my posting to the hacker's mailing list nor any core member bother to ask for any clarification. As far as I am concerned it was business as usual after my plea to the hacker's mailing list and I was not included in any core correspondence dealing with this matter. My interpretation is that any core member can claim his right to just quite simply splash code over any third party's maintained code in the source tree and by virtue of being a core member makes the code intrusion a rightful act;furthermore , if you happen to disagree with the core member's act and wish to reverse the code intrusion you stand to have any core member remove your commit privileges. JKH, if this is not clear to you feel free to call me: 415-495-3046 Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Jul 30 13:28:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16163 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:28:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA16154 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:28:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wired@uniserve.com) Received: from ws5.office.uniserve.ca (chewtoy.uniserve.com) [204.244.187.69] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0z1zJX-0006Sd-00; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:28:39 -0700 Message-ID: <00d301bdbbf8$a39b7640$45bbf4cc@chewtoy.uniserve.com> From: "Jordan Krushen" To: Subject: Live video + Apache Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:28:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've a client that is wanting to broadcast live video over the web, and I'm wondering if anyone here has some pointers as to what would be the best capture cards and software (drivers and codecs) to do so.. Are there any Apache modules, or do they simply run as separate servers? J. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Jul 30 13:58:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21443 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:58:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21383 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:57:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA00718; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:57:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:57:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Jordan Krushen cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Live video + Apache In-Reply-To: <00d301bdbbf8$a39b7640$45bbf4cc@chewtoy.uniserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, Jordan Krushen wrote: > I've a client that is wanting to broadcast live video over the web, and I'm ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > wondering if anyone here has some pointers as to what would be the best > capture cards and software (drivers and codecs) to do so.. Are there any > Apache modules, or do they simply run as separate servers? It depends on what you mean by the highlighed phrase. Do you want to do server-push or feed to a separate client app/plugin or ??? AFAIK these are usually handled by separate CGI programs or daemons. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Jul 30 14:16:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25715 for freebsd-multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:16:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from buford.the-link.net (proxy.zebra.net [209.136.2.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25707 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:16:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from saten@shell.zebra.net) Received: from shell.zebra.net (shell.zebra.net [209.12.240.129]) by buford.the-link.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA06366 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:19:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (saten@localhost) by shell.zebra.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA23978 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:12:29 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from saten@shell.zebra.net) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:12:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Phillip Salzman To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: More time for your theme. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org By popular request, we have decided to extend the FreeBSD X11 Desktop Theme Contest until August 30th, 1998. The previous deadline of August 15th, 1998 has been destoryed. We request that you do finish your themes and submit them as soon as possible so we will not have problems with the flood gates flowing over :) Please view the updated webpage at http://www.freebsd.org/~xcontest when you have a chance. We have also added tk and perl to the list of accepted applications because it appeared not to be clear that you could use them. Thank you, and good luck with your theme. -- Phillip Salzman | FreeBSD X11 Desktop Theme Contest eclipse@gulf.net | Coordinator To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message