Regds

Mark Hartong

hartong@erols.com

mark.hartong@lmco.com

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BD8CAE.84F52B60-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 31 15:22:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04030 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 31 May 1998 15:22:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles208.castles.com [208.214.165.208]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02805; Sun, 31 May 1998 15:17:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13464; Sun, 31 May 1998 14:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805312113.OAA13464@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Hartong" cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATAPI CD ROM Installation Failure on BSD 2.2.6 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 31 May 1998 16:09:41 EDT." <01bd8cd0$0c06cb60$7229accf@mhartong.man.fs.lmco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 14:13:35 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please don't send HTML messages to a public mailing list. > HELP!!!!! > > While installing FreeBSD 2.2.6 I I obtain the following: > > The system locks up with the dreaded blue screen of death on virtual = > console 1 with "Probing devices, Please wait..." > > Diagnostic message on virtual console 2 > > ATAPI.IO: INVALID COMMAND PHASE, = > IREASON=3D0xd8,STATUS=3Dd8, ERROR=3Dd8 > > Hardware Configuration: NEC CD-Rom Drive 273, running as master on = > secondary IDE controller 1GB HD running as master on primary IDE = > controller. System is a Dell Dimension P133. "standard" equipment and configuration, I think> Do you have a Zip drive in this system? Can you please copy the message accurately, and indicate where the various drives are in the system? The message should start "atapi.: ... " The fact that the fields above are all 0xd8 implies that the problem may involve a false probe or other bogus item. The ".IO" that you quote makes me think that this is atapi1.0, ie. master on the second bus, but your CDROM is on the first bus. > Additional Diagnostic Information: > > 1 System will do intial boot from CD Rom player with CD Rom selected as = > intial boot medium. Configuration is accomplished, all conflicts are = > resolved. System starts reboot recognizes wcd0 and wcd1 controllers, = > then freezes. wcd0 and wcd1? wdc0 and wdc1 perhaps? What if you disable wdc1? What are you disabling to resolve "all" conflicts? When the system "freezes", how long are you waiting? Is there disk activity? Does it stop at some point? > Help, what do I do next! I've gone through the FAQ's, searched the = > Mailing List archives, and tried deciphering the ATAPIA source code with = > no luck. I've run out of ideas. I'm sure that someone must have = > encountered this problem somewhere. As a last resort I could try a DOS = > installation, but that still leaves the problem of an unrecognized CD = > ROM player to fix. I really DON"T want to go back to Linux :( -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 31 20:59:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21929 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 31 May 1998 20:59:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kether.intellint.com (kether.intellint.com [198.178.173.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA21915 for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 20:59:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alan@kether.intellint.com) Received: from [198.178.173.3] by kether.intellint.com with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:03:19 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199805311737.NAA08808@seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu> References: <35703468.9F388140@kether.intellint.com> from "Alan M. Friedman" at "May 30, 98 12:31:36 pm" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:03:13 -0400 To: "Robert D. Keys" From: "Alan M. Friedman" Subject: Re: Need setup for Intel Etherexpress Pro/10 BNC port Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Another question (or two :) . . . which version of FreeBSD did this work with; when it was NOT working, did you see a simultaneous capability to ping localhost sucessfully, but get a message saying "sendto: Host is down" for any other ping attempt? That's what I'm seeing now. The interface comes up with "ifconfig zp0 inet 198.178.173.1 link0 netmask 255.255.255.0" and pings localhost, but gives "Sendto: Host is down" when pinging any other host, including my default route(an ISDN modem). The Etherlink III green light (indicating network activity) never lights at all. I'm going nuts!! I've installed v2.2.6-Release and I know this used to work (I do have an Etherlink III 5c589 PCMCIA) Can anyone else tell me 'wassup' before I give up and try linux? I really do need FreeBSD or BSDI(no got :) for some Smartgate development I'm beginning. Anyway, all responses are GREATLY appreciated, Alan alan@kether.intellint.com > >The incantation in /etc/rc.conf is something like: > > ifconfig_ex0="inet xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx link0 netmask 255.255.255.0" > >That is what works for me. > >Good Luck > >Bob Keys \_\_\_________________________________________ \_ \_\_\_ Unix, WindowsNT & Mac(h) | Alan M. Friedman - WA3MLK \_ \_ \_\_\_ C++/Java | Intelligent Interfaces, Inc. \_\_\_ \_ \_ Artificial Intelligence | (301) 299-6631|(301) 983-2211 \_\_\_ \_ Neural Netification | alan@kether.intellint.com \_\_\________________________| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 31 22:00:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00426 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 31 May 1998 22:00:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from battleship.genevaonline.com (battleship.genevaonline.com [156.46.205.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00391 for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 22:00:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thiel@genevaonline.com) Received: from shiva (pm3-ppp108.genevaonline.com [156.46.117.108]) by battleship.genevaonline.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA09707 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:00:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806010500.AAA09707@battleship.genevaonline.com> X-Sender: thiel@mail.genevaonline.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:59:21 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Loren Thiel Subject: KDE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Newbie here I've just rescenly installed 2.2.6 and XFree86 3.3.2. I'm not sure what a "Windows manager" is...(being a Win95 user) but I guess its something important that you need. I learned that KDE is the best window manager out there...and after looking through their webpage i saw that beta4 is available...however when I try to install it from the ports collection that came with FreeBSD, it installed beta3.1 or something. It downloaded everything from the first site it tried...then began compiling, or installing, and then crashed... I heard that downloading beta 3.1 from kde's site is a bad thing (something i read from freebsd-questions) So...my question is... how do I get freebsd to install beta 4? Do I have to download it myself in a dos partition... then how do i install it. will it harm anything that beta3 is half installed? Ok..another question...is it possible to change your partition sizes? I want to allocate more space to /usr...and take it away from /var. Can you do that? how bout joining another slice from another drive to /usr ? thanks Loren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 1 06:28:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA04754 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 06:28:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hermes.dciem.dnd.ca (0@hermes.dciem.dnd.ca [131.136.64.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA04742; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 06:28:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tyeung@dciem.dnd.ca) Received: from pcsim23 (pcsim23.dciem.dnd.ca) by hermes.dciem.dnd.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1) for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; id AA27446; Mon, 1 Jun 98 09:28:13 EDT Message-Id: <9806011328.AA27446@hermes.dciem.dnd.ca> From: "Tim Yeung" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:27:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: symbolic link for ftp anonymous user Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there Running FreeBSD 2.2.5 on a Pentium 133 system. Need help I have setup a symbolic link for file sharing, using the following command ln -s /usr/ShareDir /var/ftp/share The problem is that: ftp anonymous is unable to see the contain of the "share" directory. but other user (with account) has no problem. Is it a premission problem? How to fix it. Thank you Tim Yeung PC System Specialist Simulation and Training DCIEM mailto: tyeung@dciem.dnd.ca HTTP://www.dciem.dnd.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 1 09:39:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08752 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:39:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hermes.dciem.dnd.ca (0@hermes.dciem.dnd.ca [131.136.64.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA08696 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:38:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tyeung@dciem.dnd.ca) Received: from pcsim23 (pcsim23.dciem.dnd.ca) by hermes.dciem.dnd.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1) for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; id AA10291; Mon, 1 Jun 98 12:37:41 EDT Message-Id: <9806011637.AA10291@hermes.dciem.dnd.ca> From: "Tim Yeung" To: "Alan M. Friedman" Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:36:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: ifconfig MEDIA error with param "media 10base2/BNC" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <35702756.2F9E4370@kether.intellint.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have the same problem with my EtherLink III ISA card on my FreeBSD 2.2.5 before. You can give it a try by doing the following: Boot your system from a DOS floppy and run the 3COM EtherLink setup program. Turn off the Auto media detect and manually set it to BNC. Save the setting and restart the FreeBSD system. > Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 11:35:51 -0400 > From: "Alan M. Friedman" > Reply-to: alan@kether.intellint.com > Organization: Intelligent Interfaces, Inc. > To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: ifconfig MEDIA error with param "media 10base2/BNC" > I have an Etherlink III PCMCIA ethernet card and have > installed the 980520 SNAP. Can anyone tell me why the > following line gives an ifconfig ...MEDIA error: > > ifconfig zp0 inet 198.18.173.1 media 10base2/BNC > > The network can't get out past localhost, so I'm sure > it's defaulting NOT to use the BNC connector which I'm > using. > > The ifconfig man page is NO help. Where do I find > the "interface drivers" info for an EtherLink III PCMCIA??? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > With sincere thanks, > Alan M. Friedman > alan@kether.intellint.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > Tim Yeung PC System Specialist Simulation and Training DCIEM mailto: tyeung@dciem.dnd.ca HTTP://www.dciem.dnd.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 1 10:50:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22334 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:50:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spot.zyx.net (brian@spot.zyx.net [204.250.193.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22300; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:50:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@spot.zyx.net) Received: (from brian@localhost) by spot.zyx.net (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA07833; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:00:59 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:00:59 -0600 (MDT) From: Brian Shellabarger To: Tim Yeung cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: symbolic link for ftp anonymous user In-Reply-To: <9806011328.AA27446@hermes.dciem.dnd.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Tim Yeung wrote: > ftp anonymous is unable to see the contain of the "share" directory. > but other user (with account) has no problem. > Is it a premission problem? How to fix it. Make sure the user "ftp" has read/execute access to this directory and at least read access to any files that you want to be available via anonymous FTP. I'm not aware of your exact situation, but: "chmod 555 /path/to/share/dir" should do the trick. Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 1 13:56:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02115 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:56:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02090; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:55:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA16262; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:54:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:54:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White Reply-To: Doug White To: "Alan M. Friedman" cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ifconfig MEDIA error with param "media 10base2/BNC" In-Reply-To: <35702756.2F9E4370@kether.intellint.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 30 May 1998, Alan M. Friedman wrote: > I have an Etherlink III PCMCIA ethernet card and have > installed the 980520 SNAP. Can anyone tell me why the > following line gives an ifconfig ...MEDIA error: > > ifconfig zp0 inet 198.18.173.1 media 10base2/BNC media works on zp0? I didn't know they modified it, I thought it only worked on fxp and de drivers. The zp driver uses link0/link1 to select the media. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 1 14:04:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04504 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:04:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04447; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:04:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA16288; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:04:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:04:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White Reply-To: Doug White To: "Ian O'Friel" cc: FreeBSD Questions , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PPP Still doesn't work, I've included as much info as possible.... In-Reply-To: <002001bd8c06$99cbbac0$f7e107c3@metallica> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 30 May 1998, Ian O'Friel wrote: The problem is that only sio0 (COM1) is found. Thus the `device not configured' message. > I have a DataFlex Modem which is v34 I am unsure whether it is 28.8 or 33.6k > I was told it was 28.8 but the V34 implies it is 33.6k but the maximum speed > achieved is only 31.2k (Strange!! : ) Normal. 33.6 is the MAX speed but many phone lines can't take that much. > The modem uses the I/O range 038E - 03EF I'm not sure if it is plug and play > or not as it doesn't tell me on the modem and it is sealed unit with no > jumpers (Even under the casing, my guess is that it is PnP) Is it internal or external? If it's internal, try building a kernel with controller pnp0 Also try applying the patch at http://www.lemis.com/serial-port-patch.html. > May 30 20:17:41 freedom ppp[163]: tun0: Error: OpenModem failed: /dev/cuaa2: > Device not Configured. > set line /dev/cuaa0 > > And then I try dial net again and the following is given > > Dial attempt 1 of 1 > DialModem: Dial Failed Try running `term' and see if you can chat with the modem (enter AT, get OK, etc...) Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 1 14:15:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA06922 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:15:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.honk.org (mpoulin@honk.org [206.191.48.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06708; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:14:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from localhost (mpoulin@localhost) by mail.honk.org (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA04702; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:16:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:16:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin To: "Ian O'Friel" cc: FreeBSD Questions , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PPP Still doesn't work, I've included as much info as possible.... In-Reply-To: <002001bd8c06$99cbbac0$f7e107c3@metallica> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a few suggestions which may help explain why you are having difficulty, however I can't offer any solution. You don't mention what model of DataFlex modem you are using, so I am going to assume that it is a "V34 VoiceSurfer" (since this was the only V.34 modem listed at the DataFlex site) I can't be sure but I believe it may be based on the PCTel chipset, which may not be compatible with anything other than Windows (95 and 3.x - usually not NT). From the sounds of your problems with NT, this may very well be the problem. To find out if this is a PCTel Chipset, start up Windows 95, go into Hyperterminal, and issue the following command to the modem: ati3 If it is a PCTel chipset, you will see the following response: PCtel 3.5.110S PCtel 3.5202S or something similar. The reason I suspect this is a PCTel chipset is from the following line I found in the Support Manual on the DataFLex website. (http://http://www.dataflex.co.uk/tech.html): "PLEASE NOTE: This modem requires a PC system with an Intel Pentium Processor running at 90MHz or higher." The PCTel modems are some of the only "HSP" (Host Signal Processing) modems out there. These modems use the Host PC's CPU to process the data stream rather than an onboard chip to handle it. The other thing about these modems is that they are *software* driven (ie. they will work in Windows with the appropriate drivers installed, but not in DOS) This is similar to the notorious WinModems out there that cause no end of grief to dialup ISP Tech Support guys. A good (astounding, actually) site which explains all about HSP, RPI, PCTel etc. is the Zoltrix modem support page. They too use the PCTel chipset in their modems, and while I don't care for their products, their support page is excellent. The URL is: http://www.zoltrix.com/techsupp.htm They offer this in their FAQ: > Can I use my modem with Operating systems other than Windows 95? > Yes! The HSP modem currently works in Win95. It also works in Win 3.1x > for users of true INTEL PENTIUM CPU's. Click here to download the Win > 3.1x driver. The chipset maker (PCtel) claims that they may support > other Operating Systems in the future. Currently they claim they will > release a version of a Windows NT driver soon. > > PCtel currently has no plans to run on the DOS operating system. They > claim to need a more powerful OS for our drivers to multitask with other > programs. Also, as a side note, 28.8kbps modems use the "v.34" standard, while 33.6kbps modems use "v.34+". The ati3 command should tell you which standard you are using. So if your modem has the PCTel Chipset, it doesn't look likely that it will work with FreeBSD or any other x86-based Unix. At least until someone from the development team comes up with a driver for it. ===================== Quote(c) 1997 Martin Poulin ===================== I do not know whether I was then a man dreaming I was a butterfly, or whether I am now a butterfly dreaming I am a man. - Chuang Tzu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 1 18:58:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA06558 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:58:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06404; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:57:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fullermd@futuresouth.com) Received: from localhost (fullermd@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA02918; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:57:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:57:11 -0500 (CDT) From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Brian Shellabarger cc: Tim Yeung , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: symbolic link for ftp anonymous user In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Brian Shellabarger wrote: > On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Tim Yeung wrote: > > ftp anonymous is unable to see the contain of the "share" directory. > > but other user (with account) has no problem. > > Is it a premission problem? How to fix it. > > Make sure the user "ftp" has read/execute access to this directory and at > least read access to any files that you want to be available via > anonymous FTP. I'm not aware of your exact situation, but: > "chmod 555 /path/to/share/dir" should do the trick. Won't work. anonymous ftp is chroot'd to ~ftp, so if whatever you're trying to look at isn't physically under ~ftp (i.e., somewhere else and symlinked over) then you can't get at it through anonymous ftp. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* | FreeBSD; the way computers were meant to be | * "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is * | that I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet."| * fullermd@futuresouth.com :-} MAtthew Fuller * | http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 3 00:18:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13575 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:18:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from router.home.com (root@ip-21-105.phx.primenet.com [206.165.21.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA13523 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:18:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fontenot@primenet.com) Received: from nt (nt.home.com [192.168.1.2]) by router.home.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA32028 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:22:38 -0700 From: "Paul Fontenot" To: "FreeBSD-New" Subject: IDE CDROM Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:17:55 -0700 Message-ID: <01bd8ebf$bacbd460$0201a8c0@nt.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Was wondering if IDE CDROM's are supported in 2.2.6. I'm asking because I have a GoldStar that would NOT work with 2.1.5. It was on the Primary IDE as a slave device. -Paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 3 00:21:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14196 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:21:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from router.home.com (root@ip-21-105.phx.primenet.com [206.165.21.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA14185 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:21:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fontenot@primenet.com) Received: from nt (nt.home.com [192.168.1.2]) by router.home.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA32035 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:25:10 -0700 From: "Paul Fontenot" To: "FreeBSD-New" Subject: HP LaserJet 4Plus Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:20:28 -0700 Message-ID: <01bd8ec0$15a6cd40$0201a8c0@nt.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there a howto, or something that will help me get this printer going? Thats probably a dumb question, you're on the 'Net of course we have a howto. Ok then, I must have overlooked it ... 8) -Paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 3 01:42:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA29525 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:42:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA29517 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:42:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA20822; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:42:42 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980603184239.61460@welearn.com.au> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:42:39 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Paul Fontenot Cc: FreeBSD-New Subject: Re: HP LaserJet 4Plus References: <01bd8ec0$15a6cd40$0201a8c0@nt.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <01bd8ec0$15a6cd40$0201a8c0@nt.home.com>; from Paul Fontenot on Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 12:20:28AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 12:20:28AM -0700, Paul Fontenot wrote: > Is there a howto, or something that will help me get this printer going? > Thats probably a dumb question, you're on the 'Net of course we have a > howto. Ok then, I must have overlooked it ... 8) There is a section on setting up printers in the Handbook. http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook.html. If your problems aren't solved there, ask freebsd-questions@freebsd.org for help. FreeBSD-Newbies can't answer questions about how to use FreeBSD. The people who help newbies with questions are already working hard for us in freebsd-questions. We also watch -questions waiting for answers :-) Here we talk about the aspects of being newbies that don't involve support questions, because we can't chat over there. For example, a lot of newbies are interested in documentation, what's good, where to find it, and how to learn from it. And sometimes we just want to let off steam. For more information about this mailing list, and help in general, see http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ For a handy list of newbies resources (newly updated! bigger!) see http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html Good luck! Let us know how you go. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 3 06:47:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA13633 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 06:47:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kether.intellint.com (kether.intellint.com [198.178.173.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA13579 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 06:47:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alan@kether.intellint.com) Received: from [198.178.173.3] by kether.intellint.com with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:51:16 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9806011637.AA10291@hermes.dciem.dnd.ca> References: <35702756.2F9E4370@kether.intellint.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:51:10 -0400 To: "Tim Yeung" From: "Alan M. Friedman" Subject: Re: ifconfig MEDIA error with param "media 10base2/BNC" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This sounds VERY good, but I can't get the 3com software to work!!! Even when booting from a floppy (DOS v7.0) it still says 'Windows 95 detected . . . do an F8 and safe mode/console only' I can't seem to get the manual config (TR:BNC) to run. :-(( Any suggestions? It's version 5.4 of the 3c589x.EXE file. Thanks, Alan >I have the same problem with my EtherLink III ISA card on my >FreeBSD 2.2.5 before. > >You can give it a try by doing the following: >Boot your system from a DOS floppy and run the 3COM EtherLink setup >program. >Turn off the Auto media detect and manually set it to BNC. >Save the setting and restart the FreeBSD system. > > > >> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 11:35:51 -0400 >> From: "Alan M. Friedman" >> Reply-to: alan@kether.intellint.com >> Organization: Intelligent Interfaces, Inc. >> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >> Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >> Subject: ifconfig MEDIA error with param "media 10base2/BNC" > >> I have an Etherlink III PCMCIA ethernet card and have >> installed the 980520 SNAP. Can anyone tell me why the >> following line gives an ifconfig ...MEDIA error: >> >> ifconfig zp0 inet 198.18.173.1 media 10base2/BNC >> >> The network can't get out past localhost, so I'm sure >> it's defaulting NOT to use the BNC connector which I'm >> using. >> >> The ifconfig man page is NO help. Where do I find >> the "interface drivers" info for an EtherLink III PCMCIA??? >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> >> With sincere thanks, >> Alan M. Friedman >> alan@kether.intellint.com >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message >> >Tim Yeung >PC System Specialist >Simulation and Training >DCIEM >mailto: tyeung@dciem.dnd.ca HTTP://www.dciem.dnd.ca > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message \_\_\_________________________________________ \_ \_\_\_ Unix, WindowsNT & Mac(h) | Alan M. Friedman - WA3MLK \_ \_ \_\_\_ C++/Java | Intelligent Interfaces, Inc. \_\_\_ \_ \_ Artificial Intelligence | (301) 299-6631|(301) 983-2211 \_\_\_ \_ Neural Netification | alan@kether.intellint.com \_\_\________________________| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 3 08:16:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27369 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:16:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cybertouch.org (beef@cybertouch.org [209.47.145.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA27356 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:16:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from beef@cybertouch.org) Received: from localhost (beef@localhost) by cybertouch.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA20956; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:14:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from beef@cybertouch.org) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:14:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Lanny Baron To: Paul Fontenot cc: FreeBSD-New Subject: Re: HP LaserJet 4Plus In-Reply-To: <01bd8ec0$15a6cd40$0201a8c0@nt.home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Paul Fontenot wrote: > Is there a howto, or something that will help me get this printer going? > Thats probably a dumb question, you're on the 'Net of course we have a > howto. Ok then, I must have overlooked it ... 8) > > -Paul May I suggest apsfilter. Go to your /usr/ports/print dir and see if you have apsfilter. What I did is rm -f /usr/ports/print/apsfilter and went to ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/ports/print and downloaded apsfilter (newest version) to /usr/ports/print/ then as root, make sure you are in /usr/ports/print/apsfilter and type make install It will get the files you need and install the filters for you. It will run a setup program. Its pretty easy. Good luck!! Lanny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 4 10:11:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16785 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:11:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kether.intellint.com (kether.intellint.com [198.178.173.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16747 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:10:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alan@kether.intellint.com) Received: from [198.178.173.3] by kether.intellint.com with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:14:30 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199806040003.TAA03123@mutsgo.kf7nn.com> References: from "Alan M. Friedman" at "Jun 3, 98 09:51:10 am" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:14:23 -0400 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Alan M. Friedman" Subject: HELP!-Re: ifconfig MEDIA error..."media 10base2/BNC" Cc: mail account Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks! This worked and I was finally able to use the 3com install program to set the config to TR:COAX from autosense, but the problem wasn't solved, unfortunately. :-(( So now I have the 3com EtherLink III PCMCIA card set to use BNC, and it is probed OK, but any ifconfig I do leaves FreeBSD only able to do a localhost ping . . . all other hosts on my LAN give "host is down" Sorry to take up so much bandwidth on this same question, but assuming the system IS trying to use the BNC connection on the EtherLink III, what other circumstances could cause this??? HELP !!!!! Thank, Alan >I believe you must run dos 6.22 or lower. > > >> >> This sounds VERY good, but I can't get the 3com software >> to work!!! Even when booting from a floppy (DOS v7.0) it still >> says 'Windows 95 detected . . . do an F8 and safe mode/console only' >> I can't seem to get the manual config (TR:BNC) to run. :-(( >> >> Any suggestions? It's version 5.4 of the 3c589x.EXE file. >> >> Thanks, >> Alan >> >> >> >I have the same problem with my EtherLink III ISA card on my >> >FreeBSD 2.2.5 before. >> > >> >You can give it a try by doing the following: >> >Boot your system from a DOS floppy and run the 3COM EtherLink setup >> >program. >> >Turn off the Auto media detect and manually set it to BNC. >> >Save the setting and restart the FreeBSD system. >> > >> > >> > >> >> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 11:35:51 -0400 >> >> From: "Alan M. Friedman" >> >> Reply-to: alan@kether.intellint.com >> >> Organization: Intelligent Interfaces, Inc. >> >> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >> >> Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >> >> Subject: ifconfig MEDIA error with param "media 10base2/BNC" >> > >> >> I have an Etherlink III PCMCIA ethernet card and have >> >> installed the 980520 SNAP. Can anyone tell me why the >> >> following line gives an ifconfig ...MEDIA error: >> >> >> >> ifconfig zp0 inet 198.18.173.1 media 10base2/BNC >> >> >> >> The network can't get out past localhost, so I'm sure >> >> it's defaulting NOT to use the BNC connector which I'm >> >> using. >> >> >> >> The ifconfig man page is NO help. Where do I find >> >> the "interface drivers" info for an EtherLink III PCMCIA??? >> >> >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> >> >> >> With sincere thanks, >> >> Alan M. Friedman >> >> alan@kether.intellint.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message >> >> >> >Tim Yeung >> >PC System Specialist >> >Simulation and Training >> >DCIEM >> >mailto: tyeung@dciem.dnd.ca HTTP://www.dciem.dnd.ca >> > >> >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message >> >> >> >> \_\_\_________________________________________ >> \_ \_\_\_ Unix, WindowsNT & Mac(h) | Alan M. Friedman - WA3MLK >> \_ \_ \_\_\_ C++/Java | Intelligent Interfaces, Inc. >> \_\_\_ \_ \_ Artificial Intelligence | (301) 299-6631|(301) >>983-2211 >> \_\_\_ \_ Neural Netification | alan@kether.intellint.com >> \_\_\________________________| >> >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message >> \_\_\_________________________________________ \_ \_\_\_ Unix, WindowsNT & Mac(h) | Alan M. Friedman - WA3MLK \_ \_ \_\_\_ C++/Java | Intelligent Interfaces, Inc. \_\_\_ \_ \_ Artificial Intelligence | (301) 299-6631|(301) 983-2211 \_\_\_ \_ Neural Netification | alan@kether.intellint.com \_\_\________________________| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 4 17:27:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17432 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:27:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from carriage.chesco.com (carriage.chesco.com [209.195.192.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA17308 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:26:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bryan@chesco.com) Received: from bryan (mxhyp1x11.chesco.com [209.195.202.30]) by carriage.chesco.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA07542 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806050026.UAA07542@carriage.chesco.com> X-Sender: bryan@pop.chesco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:25:41 -0400 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Bryan Seltzer Subject: difference between ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can someone explain the difference between 2 lists for me. freebsd-stable and freebsd-questions Just not sure what questions to post where Thanks Bryan Seltzer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 4 19:11:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA04895 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:11:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA04797 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:11:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA27797; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:10:37 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980605121033.64628@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:10:33 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Bryan Seltzer Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: difference between ... References: <199806050026.UAA07542@carriage.chesco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199806050026.UAA07542@carriage.chesco.com>; from Bryan Seltzer on Thu, May 28, 1998 at 08:25:41PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 28, 1998 at 08:25:41PM -0400, Bryan Seltzer wrote: > Can someone explain the difference between 2 lists for me. > freebsd-stable and freebsd-questions > > Just not sure what questions to post where The general idea is to post all questions to freebsd-questions and they'll happily redirect you to the appropriate list if it turns out to be too specialised. Usually it's dealt with in -questions though. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 4 22:38:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA06397 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:38:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA06352; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:38:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA26881; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:38:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:38:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White Reply-To: Doug White To: "Alan M. Friedman" cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, mail account Subject: Re: HELP!-Re: ifconfig MEDIA error..."media 10base2/BNC" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Alan M. Friedman wrote: > Thanks! This worked and I was finally able to use > the 3com install program to set the config to TR:COAX from > autosense, but the problem wasn't solved, unfortunately. :-(( > > So now I have the 3com EtherLink III PCMCIA card set to > use BNC, and it is probed OK, but any ifconfig I do leaves > FreeBSD only able to do a localhost ping . . . all other > hosts on my LAN give "host is down" Check your routing. Now it sounds like you don't have a default route. > Sorry to take up so much bandwidth on this same > question, but assuming the system IS trying to use the BNC connection > on the EtherLink III, what other circumstances could cause this??? I don't mind at all. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major NOTICE: gdi.uoregon.edu is going down, please use dwhite@resnet! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 5 08:13:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA10105 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:13:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.honk.org (mpoulin@honk.org [206.191.48.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA10051 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:13:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from localhost (mpoulin@localhost) by mail.honk.org (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA11586 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:16:46 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:16:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Installing X Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am very new to FreeBSD, and I am wondering if there is a good step-by step instruction on installing X Window system on FreeBSD? I thought I specified that I wanted to run X during the installation (2.2.6 release), but I am unable to run XF86Setup or xf86config. I read the documentation from xfree86.org and the X Window System section of the FAQ, but it is no help to me at this point since I can't even run the setup program. It's very likely that I messed up during the installation on my system. (I chose a custom installation and selected what I thought were the appropriate X components) Would I be better starting over from scratch and selecting one of the pre-built X Window installations instead? I don't have too much invested in my system right now, so it won't be too much of a loss to start over. If someone can point me in the right direction, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. ================== Quotefile(c) 1997 Martin Poulin ===================== A man said to the universe:"Sir, I exist." "However" replied the universe, "the fact has not created in me a sense of obligation." - Stephan Crane To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 5 10:11:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01514 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:11:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zephyr.cybercom.net (zephyr.cybercom.net [209.21.146.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01468 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:11:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ksmm@threespace.com) Received: from shell1.cybercom.net (ksmm@shell1.cybercom.net [209.21.136.6]) by zephyr.cybercom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA10991; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ksmm@localhost) by shell1.cybercom.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA19110; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:11:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.cybercom.net: ksmm owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:11:15 -0400 (EDT) From: The Classiest Man Alive X-Sender: ksmm@shell1.cybercom.net To: Marty Poulin cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing X In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You didn't specify exactly what problem you had running xf86config or XF86Setup, but one of the problems I had my first time through was simply not having /usr/X11R6/bin in my PATH. I use the bash shell, so I just added this to my .profile; other shells may use it or .login or .cshrc or something like that. Try adding that directory to your PATH and see if it helps. Good luck, K.S. On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Marty Poulin wrote: : : Hello, : : I am very new to FreeBSD, and I am wondering if there is a good step-by : step instruction on installing X Window system on FreeBSD? : : I thought I specified that I wanted to run X during the installation : (2.2.6 release), but I am unable to run XF86Setup or xf86config. : : I read the documentation from xfree86.org and the X Window System section : of the FAQ, but it is no help to me at this point since I can't even run : the setup program. : : It's very likely that I messed up during the installation on my system. : (I chose a custom installation and selected what I thought were the : appropriate X components) Would I be better starting over from scratch : and selecting one of the pre-built X Window installations instead? : I don't have too much invested in my system right now, so it won't be : too much of a loss to start over. : : If someone can point me in the right direction, it would be greatly : appreciated. : : Thanks. : : ================== Quotefile(c) 1997 Martin Poulin ===================== : : A man said to the universe:"Sir, I exist." "However" replied the universe, : "the fact has not created in me a sense of obligation." - Stephan Crane : : : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org : with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 5 10:30:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA05319 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:30:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zephyr.cybercom.net (zephyr.cybercom.net [209.21.146.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05156 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:29:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ksmm@threespace.com) Received: from shell1.cybercom.net (ksmm@shell1.cybercom.net [209.21.136.6]) by zephyr.cybercom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA11015 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ksmm@localhost) by shell1.cybercom.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA19171 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:21:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.cybercom.net: ksmm owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:21:45 -0400 (EDT) From: The Classiest Man Alive X-Sender: ksmm@shell1.cybercom.net To: Newbies Subject: Installing X Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I finally got around to installing FreeBSD 2.2.6 last night. Every time I go through another installation, I like this product more and more. I did run into a problem however. I have a Hercules Stingray 128/3D card, so I was using the unsupported XSuSE X Windows driver for it. Using that driver seemed to break the mouse driver when I started using 2.2.6. As with any really good problem, it worked in 2.2.5. I went to XFree86's web page to see if there was any word on this problem, and to my amazement, I read that the XSuSE_AT3D driver had been incorporated into XFree86's own SVGA driver with the 3.3.2 release! I didn't need the specialized driver; the necessary files were already on the CD! And by the way, I still don't know the difference between xf86config and xf98config, but XF86Setup blows them both away. If you haven't seen it, check it out. After learning that and making the appropriate changes, everything worked fine. (This is the reason why I think it's good to get the latest possible distributions on the CD.) Then I experimented with some window managers that make your screen look like everything from an Amiga to a Windows 95 box to a Motif box. If I have one lingering criticism of FreeBSD's installation, it's the choice to use twm as the default window manager. Ugh! Trust me people, change your xinitrc as soon as you've got the graphics up and running. You won't be disappointed. My next step is to try to get xdm working so I can have a graphical login. Then I may set up a screensaver. My goal is to get enough of a system up so I can start porting some X Windows / Motif code. Wish me luck! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 5 12:19:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24412 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:19:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA24392 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:19:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon_v_mendoza@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19980605191921.4636.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [128.58.111.30] by send1b; Fri, 05 Jun 1998 12:19:21 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:19:21 -0700 (PDT) From: simon mendoza Subject: Some kind of language To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This came up from a friend and I want to share it with all of you...Greetings and enjoy. WOMEN'S ENGLISH "Yes" = No "No" = Yes "Maybe" = No "I'm sorry" = You'll be sorry 'We need" = I want "It's your decision" = The correct decision should be obvious by now. "Do what you want" = You'll pay for this later. "We need to talk" = I need to complain. "Sure go ahead" = I don't want you to. "I'm not upset" = Of course I'm upset, you moron! "You're so manly" = You need a shave and you sweat a lot. "You're certainly attentive tonight" = Is sex all you ever think about? "Be romantic, turn out the lights "= I have flabby thighs. "This kitchen is so inconvenient" = I want a new house. "I want new curtains" = and carpeting, and furniture, and wallpaper..... "Hang the picture there" = NO, I mean hang it there! "I heard a noise" = I noticed you were almost asleep. "Do you love me?" = I'm going to ask for something expensive. "How much do you love me?" = I did something today you're really not going to like. "I'll be ready in a minute" = Kick off your shoes and find a good game on TV. "Is my butt fat?" = Tell me I'm beautiful. "You have to learn to communicate" = Just agree with me. "Are you listening to me!?" = [Too late, you're dead.] "Was that the baby?" = Why don't you get out of bed and walk him until he falls asleep. "I'm not yelling!" = Yes, I am yelling because I think this is Important. "The same old thing" = Nothing "Nothing" = Everything "Everything" = My PMS is acting up. "Nothing, really" = It's just that you're such an asshole. "Put me on your list"= I think your cute MEN�S ENGLISH: "I'm hungry" = I'm hungry. "I'm sleepy" = I'm sleepy. "I'm tired" = I'm tired. "Do you want to go to a movie?" = I'd eventually like to have sex with you. "Can I take you out to dinner?" = I'd eventually like to have sex with you. "Can I call you sometime?" = I'd eventually like to have sex with you. "May I have this dance?" = I'd eventually like to have sex with you. "Nice dress!" = Nice cleavage! "You look tense, let me give you a massage." = I want to fondle you. "What's wrong?" = I don't see why your making such a big deal about this. "What's wrong?" = What meaningless self-inflicted psychological trauma are you going through now? "What's wrong?" = I guess sex tonight is out of the question. "I'm bored." = Do you want to have sex? "I love you." = Let's have sex now. "I love you, too." = Okay, I said it... we'd better have sex now! "Yes, I like the way you cut your hair." = I liked it better before. "Yes, I like the way you cut your hair." = $50 and it doesn't look that much different! "Let's talk." = I am trying to impress you by showing you that I am a deep person and maybe then you'd like to have sex with me. "Will you marry me?" = I want to make it illegal for you to have sex with other guys. "I like that one better."(while shopping) = Pick any freakin' dress and let's go home! "I don't think that blouse and that skirt go well together." = I am gay. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 5 14:46:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22602 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:46:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22538 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:45:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA02698; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 07:45:11 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980606074507.47760@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 07:45:07 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Marty Poulin Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing X References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Marty Poulin on Fri, Jun 05, 1998 at 10:16:46AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 05, 1998 at 10:16:46AM -0400, Marty Poulin wrote: > > I am very new to FreeBSD, and I am wondering if there is a good step-by > step instruction on installing X Window system on FreeBSD? That's an area that could do with more documentation, especially from a newbies perspective. Documentation and support is mostly supplied by the people who provide the X Window System that is bundled with FreeBSD. But one thing that would have helped me is an overview of the procedure. I'll have a go: The first steps are basically: install X, make sure your path includes X (you'll probably see how to change it if you edit your ~/.profile and log in again), run xf86config as root (very carefully! a wrong answer can fry your monitor so run it again if you made a mistake), and then as a humble user type 'startx' and see if it works. Use Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to get out of X if you can't see another way. If the screen seems happy, use Ctrl-Alt-+ (that's the plus on the numeric keypad) a few times slowly to see how easy it is to cycle through the available resolutions. Next: you need to install and configure a 'window manager' to make it work nicely. Out of the box it has an old plain window manager called twm but you're sure to want something better. The one called fvwm2 is good to start with (install from the FreeBSD packages collection) and experiment with other ones after the basics are a bit more familiar. Hint: click on the background with different mouse buttons to get menus, including one that'll let you exit gracefully. By now you'll be interested in colour depth as well as resolution, so try changing to something like 'startx -- -bpp 16' to get more colours. Would it help much to have a brief summary like this in the Handbook or FAQ? Raise enough hands and it'll happen. There's a couple of good chapters on setting up X in Greg Lehey's book The Complete FreeBSD, and that's the only place you'll find every detail from installing to making X shine. Get this book if you can. Our Newbies Resources web page (http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html) has just had a little section on X added. It gets updated every couple of weeks, mostly by *guessing* what info newbies need to find (hint). Please post any feedback on that page to this mailing list. For problems and specific questions, ask freebsd-questions@freebsd.org. There's another web page at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies that explains how to deal with problems that don't solve themselves. > I don't have too much invested in my system right now, so it won't be > too much of a loss to start over. Aaaarrggghh! That's what I said too :-( I reinstalled about six times in the first week trying to get things right. WRONG! Once it's installed and booting you're fine. Even the silliest goofs can be fixed from there, with a little help from the FAQ, Handbook, man pages if you're desperate, and freebsd-questions to solve any nagging mysteries that remain. If you're totally new at everything, remember that you'll be learning about several distinct subjects at once: UNIX commands; X; how to use particular applications; running FreeBSD. Try to distinguish between these areas of knowledge from the start. Most of the help you'll get from FreeBSD people (e.g. in freebsd-questions) is on FreeBSD itself, though they'll stray to other areas a little bit to help out. On the other hand, here as newbies we can discuss the process we've been through to learn FreeBSD and all of the other things we've needed to know about. We all have different backgrounds and different learning styles. Sharing our experiences is valuable, even when our experiences are very different. Please let us know what helps you most, in case it helps us too. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 5 17:52:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23730 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:52:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (send1e.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA23698 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:52:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon_v_mendoza@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19980606005220.18750.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [200.44.4.31] by send1e; Fri, 05 Jun 1998 17:52:20 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:52:20 -0700 (PDT) From: simon mendoza Subject: Re: Some kind of language To: David Wolfskill Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ---David Wolfskill wrote: > > I don't think that was appropriate for the list. > > david > -- All right, sorry if this message offended anyone, It just amuses me how beings so developed as ourselves, who can get enough abstraction out of our thoughts as to be able to design and interpret machine languages and coding, can also be so primitive and instinctive. Again I deeply apologize and beleive me from now on just bussiness. Simon _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 5 19:30:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06284 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA06269 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:30:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA03494 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 12:30:19 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 12:30:19 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199806060230.MAA03494@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 6 June 1998) This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ FreeBSD-Newbies is a discussion forum for newbies. We cover any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook344.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. Manuals You'll always be expected show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj.html Other resources [Updated! New links to info on ppp and the X Window System] A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 6 14:47:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25280 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 14:47:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25253 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 14:47:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (kaput@pm04-00.aei.ca [206.123.6.175]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA13799; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 17:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3579B8A0.7D9C673A@aei.ca> Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 17:46:08 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: simon mendoza CC: David Wolfskill , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some kind of language References: <19980606005220.18750.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org simon mendoza wrote: > ---David Wolfskill wrote: > > > > I don't think that was appropriate for the list. > > > > david > > -- > > All right, sorry if this message offended anyone, It just amuses me > how beings so developed as ourselves, who can get enough abstraction > out of our thoughts as to be able to design and interpret machine > languages and coding, can also be so primitive and instinctive. > Again I deeply apologize and beleive me from now on just bussiness. > > Simon Blah Blah MrWolfskill. I liked it very much and simon: restart anytime you have other jokes. Its a (so boring) mailing list. Well, maybe, post it on chat@freebsd.org ;-) Tanx Malartre -- -------------------------------------- malartre@aei.ca ICQ #4224434 www.aei.ca/~malartre/ FreeBSD-2.2.6 -------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message