From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 8 06:15:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27232 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 06:15:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27222; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 06:14:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00200; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:09:10 GMT Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA21605; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:14:13 GMT Message-ID: <19980308141411.25856@iii.co.uk> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:14:11 +0000 To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 'make world': /bin/sh not found References: <19980303230007.18515@iii.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <19980303230007.18515@iii.co.uk>; from nik@iii.co.uk on Tue, Mar 03, 1998 at 11:00:07PM +0000 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, Mar 03, 1998 at 11:00:07PM +0000, nik@iii.co.uk wrote: > This is an odd one. I'm trying to update my 2.2.5-stable system to the > latest -stable. My last successful 'make world' was on Jan 31 this > year. > > I tried again about 2 weeks ago, and 'make buildworld' is now failing at > > ===> gnu/lib/libg++/doc > rm -f g++FAQ.info* libg++.info* iostream.info* Errs errs mklog lgpl.texinfo > /bin/sh: not found > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. Pilot error I was appending to MAKEFLAGS in /etc/make.conf so that make would search both /usr/share/mk and /usr/local/share/mk (see for why). After commenting that line out the build (and subsequent install) worked flawlessly. N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 8 17:29:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA15219 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 17:29:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from suroit.rocler.qc.ca (root@suroit.rocler.qc.ca [204.101.179.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15165 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 17:28:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@rocler.qc.ca) Received: from rocler.qc.ca (p93.rocler.qc.ca [204.101.179.93]) by suroit.rocler.qc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA01700 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 20:30:38 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 20:29:49 -0500 (EST) From: Vincey To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: User group Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, I want to know if anyone is interested in a french/english FreeBSD user group in Quebec, Canada. If so, email me. If there's enough interest, we'll get it going. Also, if you have any suggestions, please include them. Hope to hear from you. Vince ~~~~~ vince@rocler.qc.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 8 17:48:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18814 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 17:48:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from beach.utmb.edu (beach.utmb.edu [129.109.212.218]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18615 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 17:47:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from POSTMASTER@MSPO2.MED.UTMB.EDU) From: POSTMASTER@MSPO2.MED.UTMB.EDU Received: from GALV8TH.utmb.edu by BEACH.UTMB.EDU (PMDF V5.1-10 #18539) with SMTP id <01IUFOQO35YO0008WW@BEACH.UTMB.EDU> for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:44:00 CDT Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 19:42:00 -0600 Subject: Mail failure To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <01IUFOQO5CQA0008WW@BEACH.UTMB.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id RAA18633 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO2/POSTMASTER TO: stable@FreeBSD.ORG DATE: 03-08-98 TIME: 19:42 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO2/ehymel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ stable-digest Sunday, March 8 1998 Volume 04 : Number 029 In this issue: Re: PCI LKM support added to -stable Re: PCI LKM support added to -stable Re: sio0: X events for device with no tp this morning's snap does not install... XFree86-3.3.2 is out ... Re: this morning's snap does not install... Re: XFree86-3.3.2 is out ... Mail failure Re: 'make world': /bin/sh not found User group ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 08:29:09 -0800 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: PCI LKM support added to -stable > Is anybody opposed to these changes ? Sounds like something we can live with, though I wonder why you propose to make a new rc.lkm file rather than simply modifying rc to do the right thing when /lkm/pci/lkm.map is found? /etc/rc.lkm seems to be a mostly gratuitous creation of another file. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 18:21:10 +0100 From: Stefan Esser Subject: Re: PCI LKM support added to -stable On 1998-03-07 08:29 -0800, "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > Sounds like something we can live with, though I wonder why you > propose to make a new rc.lkm file rather than simply modifying rc to > do the right thing when /lkm/pci/lkm.map is found? /etc/rc.lkm > seems to be a mostly gratuitous creation of another file. Ok. I don't need a separate file, but thought it was easier to get this change accepted, if it was kept in a file of its own. If you don't mind making /etc/rc more complex than it currently is, then I'm going to merge the PCI LKM support in. What about the location of the PCI LKM loadable modules ? I have suggested to create a new directory (/lkm/pci) for them, but there is no technical reason to not put them directly into /lkm. How about the location of the file that maps PCI vendor/device IDs to module names. Should it reside with the LKMs, or be found in /etc ? Regards, STefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:04:39 -0700 From: Nate Williams Subject: Re: sio0: X events for device with no tp > > If the modem is actually showing up on sio0, then it's possible that > > things are conflicting. Have you tried changing the configuration to > > move it to another port address? > > Ok, this is the hint I seemed to need: In the kernel configuration I > have: > > sio0 at 0x3f8 irq 4 > sio1 at 0x2f8 irq 3 > > But the default (0x1) configuration for the modem had it at 0x3f8. > I changed ætc/pccard.conf to use configuration 0x3 which uses 0x2f8 > and the problem seems to be solved. Ahh, an I/O port conflict. Yes, that (along with the rest of allocated resources) isn't done as nicely as it could be. I/O ports should be able to be allocated by the driver (like IRQ's), but it appears that the code as written requires the ports in the driver in the kernel config file to be the same as the PCCARD I/O ports in the config entry. I spaced this requirement, sorry. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:34:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael V. Harding" Subject: this morning's snap does not install... I did a 'make distribution' in /usr/src/etc, and it still didn't work.. ===> share/termcap install -c -o bin -g bin -m 444 termcap termcap.db /usr/share/misc install -c -o bin -g bin -m 444 /usr/src/share/termcap/map3270 /usr/share/misc install -c -o bin -g bin -m 444 termcap.5.gz /usr/share/man/man5 ===> share/timedef ===> share/timedef/data for l in da_DK.ISO_8859-1 de_AT.ISO_8859-1 de_DE.ISO_8859-1 en_GB.ISO_8859-1 en_US.ISO_8859-1 es_ES.ISO_8859-1 fi_FI.ISO_8859-1 fr_FR.ISO_8859-1 hr_HR.ISO_8859-2 is_IS.ISO_8859-1 ja_JP.EUC ja_JP.SJIS it_IT.ISO_8859-1 ko_KR.EUC lt_LN.ISO_8859-1 nl_NL.ISO_8859-1 no_NO.ISO_8859-1 pl_PL.ISO_8859-2 pt_PT.ISO_8859-1 ru_SU.CP866 ru_SU.KOI8-R sl_SI.ISO_8859-2 sv_SE.ISO_8859-1; do install -c -m 644 -o bin -g bin $l.out /usr/share/locale/$l/LC_TIME; done install: /usr/share/locale/pl_PL.ISO_8859-2/LC_TIME: No such file or directory *** Error code 71 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 14:40:56 -0500 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Subject: XFree86-3.3.2 is out ... Being optimistic... Any chance the new Xfree86 will make it to 2.2.6-R? I heard it's only a minor update with new features, but the "real" stuff, like the code donated by Metrolink will have to wait for 3.4. cheers, Pedro. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 14:59:01 -0800 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: this morning's snap does not install... > I did a 'make distribution' in /usr/src/etc, and it still didn't > work.. Fixed - I somehow missed the mtree changes to go with the new locale stuff. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:01:58 -0800 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: XFree86-3.3.2 is out ... > Any chance the new Xfree86 will make it to 2.2.6-R? I heard it's only a > minor update with new features, but the "real" stuff, like the code > donated by Metrolink will have to wait for 3.4. Yes, I'm planning on shipping the new bits. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 21:33:00 -0600 From: POSTMASTER@MSPO2.MED.UTMB.EDU Subject: Mail failure FROM: UTMB/MSPO2/POSTMASTER TO: stable@FreeBSD.ORG DATE: 03/07/98 TIME: 21:36 SUBJECT: Mail failure - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received for unknown addresses. Message was not delivered to UTMB/MSPO2/ehymel (UTMB/MSPO2/ehymel) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ stable-digest Saturday, March 7 1998 Volume 04 : Number 028 In this issue: rc: rm -f /var/run/* Re:-stable suitable for small-enterprise NFS server? Re: panic in vfs_bio.c getnewbuf+0x21f Re: RAID Controllers Re: RAID Controllers Re: Request for next release Re: panic in vfs_bio.c getnewbuf+0x21f Re: panic in vfs_bio.c getnewbuf+0x21f Re: rc: rm -f /var/run/* Re: Request for next release sio0: X events for device with no tp Re: sio0: X events for device with no tp for 2.2.6... Re: Request for next release Re: Request for next release Re: bind Re: bind Re: sio0: X events for device with no tp Re: bind Re: bind PCI LKM support added to -stable - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:30:07 +0100 (MET) From: Axel Thimm Subject: rc: rm -f /var/run/* Shouldn't this line in /etc/rc read `rm -fr /var/run/*' ? xemacs is creating a directory there, for example. - - -- Axel Thimm Axel.Thimm@physik.fu-berlin.de Axel.Thimm@ifh.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:58:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Viren R. Shah" Subject: Re:-stable suitable for small-enterprise NFS server? >>>>> "Ben" == Snob Art Genre writes: Ben> I can't imagine that this would be the case . . . but are there any NFS Ben> issues I should know about before building a ~12-user -stable NFS box? I had asked a similar question a while back (couple of weeks ago). You can check the mailing list archives. The gist of it was: 1. Always use nfs v2 mounts -- use mountd with the -2 flag, and expressly tell nfs clients to use nfs v2 mounts, for e.g. in solaris use the "vers=2" option in vfstab(?). 2. nfs v3 is more unreliable than nfs v2, at least in FreeBSD 3. Get a decent card (Intel Ether Express is a good one right now). Unfortunately, we're stuck with a 3com 3c905 (vx0), which seems to work ok so far, but doesn't give great performance. >From my testing so far, with a 2.2.5-STABLE (980303-SNAP) nfs server: 1. SunOS 4.1.x clients : very reliable. 2. Solaris 2.5.1: still testing 3. AIX and Linux: will be testing. Ben> Ben Viren - - -- Viren R. Shah "Creeping featurism is a disease, fatal if not treated promptly" -- Don Norman in _The Design of Everyday Things_ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:05:21 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Timmons Subject: Re: panic in vfs_bio.c getnewbuf+0x21f My kernel.old is from saturday (2/28) and doesn't display the problem. Did I mention that I'm running a P90 overclocked to 333mhz? (Just kidding, the hardware is conventional and very stable.) - - -Chris On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, David Greenman wrote: > >I sent David Greenman some info about a fatal trap 12 - page fault in > >kernel mode panic I'm getting with this morning's -stable kernel. > > > >it stops cvsup to my ccd /home cold in about the same place every time. > > > >#10 0xf01304d7 in getnewbuf (slpflag=0, slptimeo=0, size=3072, > >maxsize=8192) at ../../kern/vfs_bio.c:957#10 0xf01304d7 in getnewbuf > >(slpflag=0, slptimeo=0, size=3072, maxsize=8192) at > >../../kern/vfs_bio.c:957 > > Yes, this is disturbing. I don't understand how the fix I brought in > could cause that panic (being in a different part of the code and ineffective > for all filesystems except NFS client), but stranger things have happened. > > -DG > > David Greenman > Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:37:53 -0800 (PST) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Subject: Re: RAID Controllers > > > On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Tom wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, lrios wrote: > > > > > Does Free BSD 2-2-5 have support for RAID controllers?? If so what brand > > > of controllers will it support?? > > > If any would be appreciated.. > > > > - Any kind of SCSI-SCSI RAID box > Can you provide me an example of boards and manufacturers? www.cmd.com, look at the CRD5440. If you need a source for them we are a CMD reseller, CRD5440's go for $2517 in singles, price gets better if you want 2 or more. - - -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 11:02:17 -0500 From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: RAID Controllers Alexander Tatmaniants wrote in message ID : > On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Tom wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, lrios wrote: > > - Any kind of SCSI-SCSI RAID box > Can you provide me an example of boards and manufacturers? CMD, DMI. Both should have WWW pages. I believe Symbios also does SCSI2SCSI RAID (I think the Sun RSM product is their stuff rebadged) Gary - - -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:45:05 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Subject: Re: Request for next release > If the next CDROM release of -stable is intended to be a 4 CD monster, > would it be possible for the insert to give detailed instructions > and information to dummies like me about what exactly each of the > CD's are used for? Well, the first one you install from, the second one is the live filesystem (very useful with the boot floppy to run FreeBSD on a system you don't have permission to install on, or as the worlds most complete "fixit" disk), the third has the complete CVS repository (which allows you to extract =any= version that has existed, and to see the comment history if you're curious what was changed and why) and the fourth has contributed software (presumably gettoized to avoid confusion over who is supporting it). But I agree, that second pair of CDs seemed a bit like a marketing-driven "mine is bigger than your's". Any suggestions for what ought to be on two and half gigabytes of media? -crl - - -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-953-1392 chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 09:54:59 -0800 From: David Greenman Subject: Re: panic in vfs_bio.c getnewbuf+0x21f >My kernel.old is from saturday (2/28) and doesn't display the problem. >Did I mention that I'm running a P90 overclocked to 333mhz? (Just >kidding, the hardware is conventional and very stable.) Can you try backing out just the vfs_bio.c change and see if this also cures the problem? - - -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:33:38 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Timmons Subject: Re: panic in vfs_bio.c getnewbuf+0x21f I'll do this but I won't have a chance until Saturday morning at the earliest. - - -Chris On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, David Greenman wrote: > >My kernel.old is from saturday (2/28) and doesn't display the problem. > >Did I mention that I'm running a P90 overclocked to 333mhz? (Just > >kidding, the hardware is conventional and very stable.) > > Can you try backing out just the vfs_bio.c change and see if this also > cures the problem? > > -DG > > David Greenman > Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 98 22:46:07 +0100 From: Ben Stuyts Subject: Re: rc: rm -f /var/run/* On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Axel Thimm wrote: > Shouldn't this line in /etc/rc read `rm -fr /var/run/*' ? > xemacs is creating a directory there, for example. sudo too. The problem is both in -stable and in -current. Best regards, Ben To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 15:12:40 -0800 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: Request for next release > But I agree, that second pair of CDs seemed a bit like a > marketing-driven "mine is bigger than your's". Not really - I got a lot of requests for the CVS repository and simply couldn't fit it on two, nor does the package collection fit on a single CD anymore. 4 was inevitable. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 00:35:20 +0100 From: User Marko Marko Schuetz Subject: sio0: X events for device with no tp I was using 2.2.5+PAO and am running -stable now. The PCCARD modem I use is a Megahertz XJ3288i. When I insert the modem it is correctly identified Mar 7 00:25:13 kinetic /kernel: Card inserted, slot 0 Mar 7 00:25:24 kinetic /kernel: sio1: type 16550A and I have iijppp configured to automatically start at modem insertion. BUT unless I disable sio0 at boot I get Mar 7 00:09:28 kinetic /kernel: sio1: type 16550A Mar 7 00:09:50 kinetic /kernel: sio0: 64 events for device with no tp Mar 7 00:10:16 kinetic /kernel: sio0: 64 events for device with no tp Mar 7 00:10:18 kinetic /kernel: sio0: 2 events for device with no tp Mar 7 00:10:18 kinetic /kernel: sio0: 6 events for device with no tp Mar 7 00:10:31 kinetic /kernel: sio0: 1 events for device with no tp Mar 7 00:10:31 kinetic /kernel: sio0: 2 events for device with no tp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:14:11 +0000 From: nik@iii.co.uk Subject: Re: 'make world': /bin/sh not found On Tue, Mar 03, 1998 at 11:00:07PM +0000, nik@iii.co.uk wrote: > This is an odd one. I'm trying to update my 2.2.5-stable system to the > latest -stable. My last successful 'make world' was on Jan 31 this > year. > > I tried again about 2 weeks ago, and 'make buildworld' is now failing at > > ===> gnu/lib/libg++/doc > rm -f g++FAQ.info* libg++.info* iostream.info* Errs errs mklog lgpl.texinfo > /bin/sh: not found > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. Pilot error I was appending to MAKEFLAGS in /etc/make.conf so that make would search both /usr/share/mk and /usr/local/share/mk (see for why). After commenting that line out the build (and subsequent install) worked flawlessly. N - -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 20:29:49 -0500 (EST) From: Vincey Subject: User group Hi, I want to know if anyone is interested in a french/english FreeBSD user group in Quebec, Canada. If so, email me. If there's enough interest, we'll get it going. Also, if you have any suggestions, please include them. Hope to hear from you. Vince ~~~~~ vince@rocler.qc.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message ------------------------------ End of stable-digest V4 #29 *************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 8 18:23:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25007 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:23:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from megaweapon.zigg.com (tcgr1-67.dialup.alliance.net [207.74.43.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA24935 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:23:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@zigg.com) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by megaweapon.zigg.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA11519 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:24:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from matt@megaweapon.zigg.com) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:24:14 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Behrens To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: XFree86 by hand on 2.2.5-STABLE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I seem to remember that the method for installing XFree86 by hand changed at some point since I bought my Complete FreeBSD book w/ 2.1.6. Has it? Matt Behrens | I have no witty or political quotes http://www.zigg.com/ | in my sig, and probably won't for a Chanop Script Coordinator | little while. Being witty is hard World-Wide FreeNet IRC Network | when you're trying to learn vi. :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 8 18:50:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00954 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:50:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA00890 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:50:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA12520 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:49:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803090249.SAA12520@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: *HEADS UP* Important change warning. (short version) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 18:49:30 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk A change will shortly be made to the 2.2.5-STABLE tree which will change the way that the root filesystem is mounted at boot time. This only affects systems booting from sliced disks, ie. where FreeBSD was installed so as to be compatible with other operating systems. Currently, the system mounts the root filesystem using the compatability slice. This will be discontinued, and instead the correct slice will be mounted. In order to deal with the change, mount has been updated to handle old /etc/fstab files (ie. those that refer to the compatability slice for the root filesystem). You must update mount before booting a new kernel. If there is a mismatch between your /etc/fstab file and the mounted root filesystem, mount will emit a warning diagnostic. The diagnostic is harmless, and can be ignored if you require the ability to boot older kernels. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 8 18:51:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA01149 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:51:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA00937 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:50:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA12529 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:49:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803090249.SAA12529@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: *HEADS UP* Important change warning. (long version) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 18:49:34 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk There is a subtle but significant change coming to the 2.2.5-STABLE branch which may cause problems under some circumstances. Please read the following carefully, to ensure that the transition does not cause you any problems. This change only affects systems which are booted from a sliced disk, that is, a disk where the FreeBSD partitions are contained within a DOS-style partition (and possibly share the disk with other operating systems). It has no impact for systems which boot from dedicated disks. Explanation: (You can skip this if you're not interested in 'why') ------------ When FreeBSD boots from a partition within a BSD slice, it makes use of a feature known as the "compatability slice". Slices are typically identified with the nomenclature xdNsM, where N and M are numbers representing the disk and slice number respectively. The "compatability slice" provides a shorthand naming scheme where the first BSD slice, ie. the lowest M for a given N also appears as xdN. For example, consider an IDE disk with a DOS slice first, and with FreeBSD occupying the remainter of the disk. The slice 'wd0s1' is the DOS slice, and 'wd0s2' is the FreeBSD slice, with 'wd0s2a' being the 'a' partition in the FreeBSD slice. The "compatability slice" feature means that you can refer to this 'a' partition as 'wd0a'. The "compatability slice" feature is a historic leftover, and it will be phased out in the next major release of FreeBSD. Currently, the only use of the compatability slice is when booting, where the root filesystem is mounted from the 'a' partition via the compatability slice rather than the correct slice. This leads to an entry in /etc/fstab which is inconsistent with the remainder of the filesystems listed there. Eg., persisiting with our example from above, one might have an /etc/fstab reading: /dev/wd0a / ufs... /dev/wd0s2e /usr ufs... /dev/wd0s2f /var ufs... You cannot correct the root filesystem entry to read /dev/wd0s2a, because the system believes that wd0a and wd0s2a are different, and it has mounted wd0a on / already (in order to boot from it). Nature of the Change: --------------------- The kernel will correctly mount the appropriate slice device on / when booting. This means that when the filesystems are remounted later in the boot process, the entry for / in /etc/fstab must be correct. This results in a backwards-compatability issue, where a system which has just been updated has an /etc/fstab with the old compatability slice entry cannot be booted. In order to address this change, the mount utility has been updated to locate and use the correct slice entry if asked to mount the root filesystem from what appears to be a compatability slice device. This allows the system administrator to leave the old, compatability slice syntax in /etc/fstab until such time as it is no longer required. The mount utility will emit a warning diagnostic to provide a reminder that the change has not been made. Potential for Problems: ----------------------- If an updated kernel is used without also updating the mount utility, a system booting from a sliced disk will fail to boot correctly. Following the standard upgrade procedure: - Update sources (eg. CVSup, CTM) - 'make world' - build new kernel - reboot will result in the mount utility being correctly updated. The mount utility may also be manually updated, in the case where 'make world' is too time-consuming. Recovering from Boot Failure: ----------------------------- In the case where the kernel has been updated inadvertently and the boot process has failed due to a mismatch when attepting to mount the root filesystem, the recommended recovery procedure is to boot from the backup kernel 'kernel.old' and rebuild the mount utility. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 8 19:29:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11192 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:29:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA11124 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:29:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from trojanhorse.pr.watson.org (trojanhorse.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.10]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id WAA08113; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:18:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:18:57 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: Mike Smith cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Important change warning. (short version) In-Reply-To: <199803090249.SAA12520@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Mike, When can we expect this change to appear in the -stable branch? I would like to upgrade my stable systems to right before that change (I was mid cvsup when I read your email) and then bring the change up on a test machine first. Thanks, Robert Watson On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > A change will shortly be made to the 2.2.5-STABLE tree which will > change the way that the root filesystem is mounted at boot time. > > This only affects systems booting from sliced disks, ie. where FreeBSD > was installed so as to be compatible with other operating systems. > > Currently, the system mounts the root filesystem using the compatability > slice. This will be discontinued, and instead the correct slice will be > mounted. > > In order to deal with the change, mount has been updated to handle old > /etc/fstab files (ie. those that refer to the compatability slice for > the root filesystem). You must update mount before booting a new > kernel. > > If there is a mismatch between your /etc/fstab file and the mounted > root filesystem, mount will emit a warning diagnostic. The diagnostic > is harmless, and can be ignored if you require the ability to boot > older kernels. > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > Robert N Watson Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 8 19:39:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13091 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:39:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13079 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:39:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA12799; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:36:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803090336.TAA12799@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Robert Watson cc: Mike Smith , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Important change warning. (short version) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 08 Mar 1998 22:18:57 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed ; boundary="==_Exmh_19254586350" Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 19:36:48 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk This is a multipart MIME message. --==_Exmh_19254586350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > When can we expect this change to appear in the -stable branch? I would > like to upgrade my stable systems to right before that change (I was mid > cvsup when I read your email) and then bring the change up on a test > machine first. The change to mount was committed a couple of hours ago; specifically revision 1.6.6.2 of src/sbin/mount/mount_ufs.c and revision 1.2.8.1 of src/sbin/mount/Makefile. My intention was to have the kernel side of the changes lag a little behind, but I had aimed to have them in before the 2.2.6-BETA goes down, which would most likely see them going out later this evening. If you are cvsupping the CVS repo, the files that you will want to watch are: src/sbin/mount/mount_ufs.c src/sbin/mount/Makefile src/sys/sys/reboot.h src/sys/i386/i386/autoconf.c Note that the last two haven't changed yet. All of the diffs are attached, should you want to get stuck into a test machine sooner. I would greatly appreciate any feedback that anyone has on this. --==_Exmh_19254586350 Content-Type: text/plain ; name="kerndiff.stable"; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: kerndiff.stable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="kerndiff.stable" Index: i386/i386/autoconf.c =================================================================== RCS file: /local1/ncvs/src/sys/i386/i386/autoconf.c,v retrieving revision 1.56.2.8 diff -u -r1.56.2.8 autoconf.c --- autoconf.c 1998/01/08 12:30:28 1.56.2.8 +++ autoconf.c 1998/03/08 07:41:08 @@ -410,25 +410,26 @@ static void setroot() { - int majdev, mindev, unit, part, adaptor; + int majdev, mindev, unit, part, adaptor, slice; dev_t orootdev; /*printf("howto %x bootdev %x ", boothowto, bootdev);*/ if (boothowto & RB_DFLTROOT || (bootdev & B_MAGICMASK) != (u_long)B_DEVMAGIC) return; - majdev = (bootdev >> B_TYPESHIFT) & B_TYPEMASK; + majdev = B_TYPE(bootdev); + adaptor = B_ADAPTOR(bootdev); + unit = B_UNIT(bootdev); + slice = B_SLICE(bootdev); if (majdev > sizeof(devname) / sizeof(devname[0])) return; - adaptor = (bootdev >> B_ADAPTORSHIFT) & B_ADAPTORMASK; - unit = (bootdev >> B_UNITSHIFT) & B_UNITMASK; if (majdev == FDMAJOR) { part = RAW_PART; mindev = unit << FDUNITSHIFT; } else { part = (bootdev >> B_PARTITIONSHIFT) & B_PARTITIONMASK; - mindev = (unit << PARTITIONSHIFT) + part; + mindev = (slice << 16) + (unit << PARTITIONSHIFT) + part; } orootdev = rootdev; rootdev = makedev(majdev, mindev); @@ -438,9 +439,10 @@ */ if (rootdev == orootdev) return; - printf("changing root device to %c%c%d%c\n", + printf("changing root device to %c%c%ds%d%c\n", devname[majdev][0], devname[majdev][1], - mindev >> (majdev == FDMAJOR ? FDUNITSHIFT : PARTITIONSHIFT), + (mindev & 0xf) >> (majdev == FDMAJOR ? FDUNITSHIFT : PARTITIONSHIFT), + slice, part + 'a'); } Index: sys/reboot.h =================================================================== RCS file: /local1/ncvs/src/sys/sys/reboot.h,v retrieving revision 1.14 diff -u -r1.14 reboot.h --- reboot.h 1996/10/16 00:19:39 1.14 +++ reboot.h 1998/03/08 07:40:49 @@ -82,6 +82,9 @@ #define B_CONTROLLERSHIFT 20 #define B_CONTROLLERMASK 0xf #define B_CONTROLLER(val) (((val)>>B_CONTROLLERSHIFT) & B_CONTROLLERMASK) +#define B_SLICESHIFT 20 +#define B_SLICEMASK 0xff +#define B_SLICE(val) (((val)>>B_SLICESHIFT) & B_SLICEMASK) #define B_UNITSHIFT 16 #define B_UNITMASK 0xf #define B_UNIT(val) (((val) >> B_UNITSHIFT) & B_UNITMASK) --==_Exmh_19254586350 Content-Type: text/plain; name="mntdiff.stable"; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: mntdiff.stable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mntdiff.stable" Index: Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /local1/ncvs/src/sbin/mount/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 Makefile --- Makefile 1994/08/05 02:42:04 1.2 +++ Makefile 1998/03/08 06:34:53 @@ -5,4 +5,7 @@ MAN8= mount.8 # We do NOT install the getmntopts.3 man page. +# We support the ROOTSLICE_HUNT hack +CFLAGS+=-DROOTSLICE_HUNT + .include Index: mount_ufs.c =================================================================== RCS file: /local1/ncvs/src/sbin/mount/mount_ufs.c,v retrieving revision 1.6.6.1 diff -u -r1.6.6.1 mount_ufs.c --- mount_ufs.c 1997/12/04 07:36:10 1.6.6.1 +++ mount_ufs.c 1998/03/08 07:23:17 @@ -76,6 +76,10 @@ int ch, mntflags; char *fs_name; struct vfsconf *vfc; +#ifdef ROOTSLICE_HUNT + int unit, slice, result; + char part, devbuf[MAXPATHLEN], devpfx[MAXPATHLEN]; +#endif mntflags = 0; optind = optreset = 1; /* Reset for parse of new argv. */ @@ -117,8 +121,37 @@ /*warnx("ufs: filesystem not found");*/ } } - +#ifdef ROOTSLICE_HUNT + result = -1; + /* + * If we are mounting root, and we have a mount of something that + * might be the compatability slice, try mounting other slices + * first. If the kernel has done the right thing and mounted + * the slice because the disk is really sliced, this will find + * the real root filesystem. If not, we'll try what was supplied. + */ + if (!strcmp(fs_name, "/") && + (sscanf(args.fspec, "%[^0-9]%d%c", devpfx, &unit, &part) == 3) && + (part >= 'a') && + (part <= 'h')) { + for (slice = 1; (slice < 32) && (result < 0); slice++) { + sprintf(devbuf, "%s%ds%d%c", + devpfx, unit, slice, part); + args.fspec = devbuf; + result = mount(vfc ? vfc->vfc_index : MOUNT_UFS, + fs_name, mntflags, &args); + } + args.fspec = argv[0]; + } + if (result == 0) + warnx("*** update /etc/fstab entry for %s to use %s ***", + fs_name, devbuf); + /* Try the mount as originally planned */ + if ((result < 0) && + (mount(vfc ? vfc->vfc_index : MOUNT_UFS, fs_name, mntflags, &args) < 0)) { +#else if (mount(vfc ? vfc->vfc_index : MOUNT_UFS, fs_name, mntflags, &args) < 0) { +#endif (void)fprintf(stderr, "%s on %s: ", args.fspec, fs_name); switch (errno) { case EMFILE: --==_Exmh_19254586350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com --==_Exmh_19254586350-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 8 21:16:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA29694 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:16:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA29689 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:16:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA13136 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 20:57:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803090457.UAA13136@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: *HEADS UP* Updated componentes committed. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 20:57:36 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk The changes discussed in previous messages relating to the mounting of the root filesystem have been committed. There is normally a delay of up to 24 hours for changes to propagate via CVSup, depending on your location and local update policy. To verify that the relevant changes have arrived locally, check the following files (possibly after a local CVS update): src/sbin/mount/Makefile revision 1.2.8.1 src/sbin/mount/mount_ufs.c revision 1.6.6.2 src/sys/sys/reboot.h revision 1.14.2.1 src/i386/i386/autoconf.c revision 1.56.2.9 Once these files have been updated, it is essential that the mount utility be rebuilt and installed before booting a new kernel. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 8 21:43:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA06204 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:43:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA06194 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:43:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA15964; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 02:42:34 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199803090542.CAA15964@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Important change warning. (long version) In-Reply-To: <199803090249.SAA12529@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Mar 8, 98 06:49:34 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 02:42:33 -0300 (EST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk #define quoting(Mike Smith) // The "compatability slice" feature is a historic leftover, and it will be // phased out in the next major release of FreeBSD. Currently, the only // use of the compatability slice is when booting, where the root // filesystem is mounted from the 'a' partition via the compatability slice // rather than the correct slice. It has also the beauty of not remembering me that my preferred system is sharing disk with other one (which I don't want to name, but I have to use it for games. :) ). I have always done exactly the opposite of what you are suggesting. All my BSD partitions run in compatibility mode. The first thing I usually do after installing a new system is edit /etc/fstab and change the mess create by sysinstall. What's the problem in maintaining the current behaviour ? Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 8 21:51:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA07705 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:51:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA07697 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:51:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA13372; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:48:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803090548.VAA13372@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Important change warning. (long version) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Mar 1998 02:42:33 -0300." <199803090542.CAA15964@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:48:53 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > #define quoting(Mike Smith) > // The "compatability slice" feature is a historic leftover, and it will be > // phased out in the next major release of FreeBSD. Currently, the only > // use of the compatability slice is when booting, where the root > // filesystem is mounted from the 'a' partition via the compatability slice > // rather than the correct slice. > > It has also the beauty of not remembering me that my preferred system > is sharing disk with other one (which I don't want to name, but I have > to use it for games. :) ). Operating systems aren't normally expected to assist their users with their own personal delusions. > I have always done exactly the opposite of what you are suggesting. > All my BSD partitions run in compatibility mode. The first thing I > usually do after installing a new system is edit /etc/fstab and change > the mess create by sysinstall. You appear to be changing it the wrong way. > What's the problem in maintaining the current behaviour ? - It makes writing code to manipulate disk partitioning information quite difficult. - It makes it completely impossible to boot both FreeBSD and NetBSD off the same disk. - It leads to sysinstall being forced to create the "mess" you refer to in /etc/fstab - It leads to people abusing the compatability slice like you describe. ... etc. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 8 22:12:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA11226 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:12:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.scitec.com.au (firewall-user@fgate.scitec.com.au [203.17.180.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA11194 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:12:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john.saunders@scitec.com.au) Received: by firewall.scitec.com.au; id QAA05767; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:12:18 +1000 (EST) Received: from mailhub.scitec.com.au(203.17.180.131) by fgate.scitec.com.au via smap (3.2) id xma005760; Mon, 9 Mar 98 16:12:04 +1000 Received: from hydra.scitec.com.au (hydra.scitec.com.au [203.17.182.101]) by mailhub.scitec.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA20827; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:12:02 +1000 Received: from scitec.com.au (saruman.scitec.com.au) by hydra.scitec.com.au with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA228823918; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:11:58 +1100 Message-Id: <3503882E.C90B6AE3@scitec.com.au> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 17:11:58 +1100 From: John Saunders Organization: SCITEC LIMITED X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Important change warning. (long version) References: <199803090548.VAA13372@dingo.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Mike Smith wrote: > Operating systems aren't normally expected to assist their users with > their own personal delusions. Can't let this one pass, 'Symbolic links' :) > - It makes writing code to manipulate disk partitioning information > quite difficult. > - It makes it completely impossible to boot both FreeBSD and NetBSD > off the same disk. > - It leads to sysinstall being forced to create the "mess" you refer to > in /etc/fstab > - It leads to people abusing the compatability slice like you describe. Hmm. I knew there was some kludges going on with the old scheme but this really drives home the reasons for change to me (I was going to install NetBSD at some stage). Don't know why some people get so emotional about the name of a device. If FreeBSD is to move forward we all must accept that change is inevitable. Mike also did a good job of warning us before hand. I also suspect that if you stuff up the make world you could still boot up in single user mode and correct the situation since it doesn't read /etc/fstab. Or reboot with the old kernel as suggested. One question. What should be put in the kernel config file for the line that normally reads "kernel on wd0a"? Or doesn't it matter too much? Cheers. -- +------------------------------------------------------------+ . | John Saunders mailto:John.Saunders@scitec.com.au (Work) | ,--_|\ | mailto:john@nlc.net.au (Home) | / Oz \ | http://www.nlc.net.au/~john/ | \_,--\_/ | SCITEC LIMITED Phone +61 2 9428 9563 Fax +61 2 9428 9933 | v | "By the time you make ends meet, they move the ends." | +------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 8 22:43:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA15787 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:43:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15765 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:43:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA13565; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:40:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803090640.WAA13565@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: John Saunders cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Important change warning. (long version) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Mar 1998 17:11:58 +1100." <3503882E.C90B6AE3@scitec.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 22:40:36 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Mike Smith wrote: > One question. What should be put in the kernel config file for the > line that normally reads "kernel on wd0a"? Or doesn't it matter > too much? You can generally ignore that ("root on wd0"), as it's only used if the kernel can't work out where it was booted from. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 8 23:15:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA20119 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:15:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx1.cso.uiuc.edu (mx1.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA20110 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:15:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from igor@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu) Received: from alecto.physics.uiuc.edu (alecto.physics.uiuc.edu [130.126.8.20]) by mx1.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA18995; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 01:14:30 -0600 (CST) Received: by alecto.physics.uiuc.edu (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) id BAA04713; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 01:10:07 -0600 From: igor@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu (Igor Roshchin) Message-Id: <199803090710.BAA04713@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Important change warning. (long version) To: john.saunders@scitec.com.au (John Saunders) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 01:10:07 -0600 (CST) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3503882E.C90B6AE3@scitec.com.au> from "John Saunders" at Mar 9, 98 05:11:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Don't know why some people get so emotional about the name of a device. > If FreeBSD is to move forward we all must accept that change is > inevitable. Mike also did a good job of warning us before hand. 3 hours advance notice ? or I just missed something ? ;) > > I also suspect that if you stuff up the make world you could still > boot up in single user mode and correct the situation since it > doesn't read /etc/fstab. Or reboot with the old kernel as suggested. Sitting in front of all your computers you might be forgetting that There are plenty (or at least - quite a few) of people who are doing such upgrades remotely... THat's just emotions. No, serious questions. I am a bit confused: what would be the behavior of an updated system with the disk which was divided as follows: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/wd0a 31775 24103 5130 82% / /dev/wd0s1g 1004015 558208 365486 60% /home /dev/wd0s2e 63567 19 58463 0% /tmp /dev/wd0s1e 500463 290300 170126 63% /usr /dev/wd0s2f 2980238 645811 2096008 24% /usr2 /dev/wd0s2g 2878330 2485211 162853 94% /usr3 /dev/wd0s1f 98479 2869 87732 3% /var /dev/wd0s1h 98802 23382 67516 26% /var/log Also, If a have an "inherited" computer - how can I tell whether it has an old or a new type of slices without going into /stand/sysinstall .... ? fdisk alone doesn't seem to provide any information about that.. (I am trying to compare a disk which has just one FreeBSD partition, but in one case partitioned in a compatibility way, and in a FreeBSD-dedicated way in the second case). Thanks, IgoR To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 8 23:20:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21742 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:20:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA21734 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:20:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA15952; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:18:26 +1100 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:18:26 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199803090718.SAA15952@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: john.saunders@scitec.com.au, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Important change warning. (long version) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> One question. What should be put in the kernel config file for the >> line that normally reads "kernel on wd0a"? Or doesn't it matter >> too much? > >You can generally ignore that ("root on wd0"), as it's only used if the >kernel can't work out where it was booted from. Actually, it is only used if you boot with -r. See boot(8). `config kernel root on wd0sNa' should work for any slice N. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 8 23:26:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA23126 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:26:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA23119 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:26:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA13717; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:23:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803090723.XAA13717@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: igor@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu (Igor Roshchin) cc: john.saunders@scitec.com.au (John Saunders), mike@smith.net.au, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Important change warning. (long version) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Mar 1998 01:10:07 CST." <199803090710.BAA04713@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 23:23:49 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > > Don't know why some people get so emotional about the name of a device. > > If FreeBSD is to move forward we all must accept that change is > > inevitable. Mike also did a good job of warning us before hand. > > 3 hours advance notice ? or I just missed something ? ;) The point behind the announcement was that, if you're serious, you read -stable *before* you rebuild. The updates and the messages were timed to avoid any gaps, but I don't have the luxury of a few months to let one change propagate before building on it. 8( > Sitting in front of all your computers you might be forgetting that > There are plenty (or at least - quite a few) of people who are doing > such upgrades remotely... If you are doing remote upgrades without a fallback plan, and without local testing, then you are already accepting a plethora of risks. We can't stop you from shooting you feet off, much as we'd like to. > I am a bit confused: what would be the behavior of an updated system > with the disk which was divided as follows: > > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/wd0a 31775 24103 5130 82% / > /dev/wd0s1g 1004015 558208 365486 60% /home > /dev/wd0s2e 63567 19 58463 0% /tmp > /dev/wd0s1e 500463 290300 170126 63% /usr > /dev/wd0s2f 2980238 645811 2096008 24% /usr2 > /dev/wd0s2g 2878330 2485211 162853 94% /usr3 > /dev/wd0s1f 98479 2869 87732 3% /var > /dev/wd0s1h 98802 23382 67516 26% /var/log This will result in a diagnostic from mount at boot time, telling you that you should be mounting /dev/wd0s1a on /. If you have updated mount as per messages to this list, you'll still work just fine. > Also, > If a have an "inherited" computer - > how can I tell whether it has an old or a new type of slices without going > into /stand/sysinstall .... ? Install the new kernel and new mount. It will tell you if things need to be changed. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 8 23:30:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA24786 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:30:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx3.cso.uiuc.edu (root@mx3.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA24726 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 23:30:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from igor@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu) Received: from alecto.physics.uiuc.edu (alecto.physics.uiuc.edu [130.126.8.20]) by mx3.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA14587; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 01:30:10 -0600 (CST) Received: by alecto.physics.uiuc.edu (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) id BAA05040; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 01:25:48 -0600 From: igor@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu (Igor Roshchin) Message-Id: <199803090725.BAA05040@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Important change warning. (long version) To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 01:25:48 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199803090723.XAA13717@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at Mar 8, 98 11:23:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Thanks, Mike, I didn't mean to be mean or offensive. My appologies, if it sounded that way. IgoR > > > > > > > Don't know why some people get so emotional about the name of a device. > > > If FreeBSD is to move forward we all must accept that change is > > > inevitable. Mike also did a good job of warning us before hand. > > > > 3 hours advance notice ? or I just missed something ? ;) > > The point behind the announcement was that, if you're serious, you read > -stable *before* you rebuild. The updates and the messages were timed > to avoid any gaps, but I don't have the luxury of a few months to let > one change propagate before building on it. 8( > > > Sitting in front of all your computers you might be forgetting that > > There are plenty (or at least - quite a few) of people who are doing > > such upgrades remotely... > > If you are doing remote upgrades without a fallback plan, and without > local testing, then you are already accepting a plethora of risks. We > can't stop you from shooting you feet off, much as we'd like to. > > > I am a bit confused: what would be the behavior of an updated system > > with the disk which was divided as follows: > > > > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > > /dev/wd0a 31775 24103 5130 82% / > > /dev/wd0s1g 1004015 558208 365486 60% /home > > /dev/wd0s2e 63567 19 58463 0% /tmp > > /dev/wd0s1e 500463 290300 170126 63% /usr > > /dev/wd0s2f 2980238 645811 2096008 24% /usr2 > > /dev/wd0s2g 2878330 2485211 162853 94% /usr3 > > /dev/wd0s1f 98479 2869 87732 3% /var > > /dev/wd0s1h 98802 23382 67516 26% /var/log > > This will result in a diagnostic from mount at boot time, telling you > that you should be mounting /dev/wd0s1a on /. If you have updated > mount as per messages to this list, you'll still work just fine. > > > Also, > > If a have an "inherited" computer - > > how can I tell whether it has an old or a new type of slices without going > > into /stand/sysinstall .... ? > > Install the new kernel and new mount. It will tell you if things need > to be changed. > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 00:02:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA05382 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:02:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA05200 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:01:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA11140; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:45:17 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA20243; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:45:16 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980309084516.43988@follo.net> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:45:16 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Mike Smith , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Important change warning. (long version) References: <199803090249.SAA12529@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199803090249.SAA12529@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Sun, Mar 08, 1998 at 06:49:34PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, Mar 08, 1998 at 06:49:34PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > There is a subtle but significant change coming to the 2.2.5-STABLE > branch which may cause problems under some circumstances. Please read > the following carefully, to ensure that the transition does not cause > you any problems. Wasn't the policy here that we were to remain 'binary compatible' within RELENG_2_2 - ie, no changes that need userland rebuild should go into 2.2? Alex caught quite a bit of flak over changing the IPFW binary interface in RELENG_2_2 IIRC? BTW: It is usually prudent to give at least 24h warning - mail systems can sometimes be strange, and cvsup can often be differently routed than mail. Eivind, who doesn't run 'compatibility slices' and thus isn't affected :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 00:04:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA06009 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:04:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA05847 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:03:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id IAA27414; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:03:33 GMT Message-ID: <19980309000333.45740@nuxi.com> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:03:33 -0800 From: "David E. O'Brien" To: jack Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BOOT_HD_BIAS broken in RELENG_2_2 ? Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: ; from jack on Fri, Feb 27, 1998 at 10:34:25AM -0500 X-Warning: Mutt Bites! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE Organization: The NUXI *BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Attempts to compile in /sys/i386/boot/biosboot with BOOT_HD_BIAS > set to either 1 or 2 fall over with `boot2 is too big'. The use of "BOOT_HD_BIAS" is depreciated. Instead put what you would type in at the boot prompt in the file /boot.config. For me this is: 2:sd(0,a)kernel -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 00:12:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA08605 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:12:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA08457 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:12:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA26589; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:10:54 -0800 (PST) To: Eivind Eklund cc: Mike Smith , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Important change warning. (long version) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Mar 1998 08:45:16 +0100." <19980309084516.43988@follo.net> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 00:10:54 -0800 Message-ID: <26586.889431054@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Wasn't the policy here that we were to remain 'binary compatible' > within RELENG_2_2 - ie, no changes that need userland rebuild should > go into 2.2? Alex caught quite a bit of flak over changing the IPFW > binary interface in RELENG_2_2 IIRC? I think that a change to /etc/fstab sort of falls outside the issue of binary compatability. Besides, if you knew of the hacks that can now be removed as a result of this change, you'd applaud! :) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 00:32:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14334 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:32:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA14328 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:32:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id IAA27453; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:16:00 GMT Message-ID: <19980309001600.22347@nuxi.com> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:16:00 -0800 From: "David E. O'Brien" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= Cc: Don Lewis , John Fieber , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: grops eats disk Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199802251643.IAA27775@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3Cxzpu39n38jy=2Efsf=40gnipahellir=2Eifi=2Euio=2Eno=3E=3B?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_from_Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav_on_Wed=2C_Feb_25=2C_19?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?98_at_06=3A20=3A49PM_+0100?= X-Warning: Mutt Bites! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE Organization: The NUXI *BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I wrote /usr/tmp, not /var/tmp. 2.2.5-R and later doesn't have /usr/tmp (unless you made it yourself). /usr is supose to be mountable read-only. /usr/tmp gets in the way of that. -- David (obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 00:43:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA17857 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:43:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA17819 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:43:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id IAA27514; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:43:37 GMT Message-ID: <19980309004337.33082@nuxi.com> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:43:37 -0800 From: "David E. O'Brien" To: Mike Smith Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Updated componentes committed. Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199803090457.UAA13136@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <199803090457.UAA13136@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Sun, Mar 08, 1998 at 08:57:36PM -0800 X-Warning: Mutt Bites! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE Organization: The NUXI *BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > To verify that the relevant changes have arrived locally, check the > following files (possibly after a local CVS update): > > src/sbin/mount/Makefile revision 1.2.8.1 > src/sbin/mount/mount_ufs.c revision 1.6.6.2 Actually while, you're in there, can you add $Id$ to these files? They don't seem to have them, and this is one case they're really needed. (especially if you cvsup'ed the sources and not CVS repository). -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 01:46:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA07706 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 01:46:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07660; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 01:46:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA14131; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:52:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803090852.AAA14131@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 00:52:38 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Please note that in the recent postings regarding the changes to the fashion in which the root filesystem is located and mounted there has been a fundamental factual error on my part. This error *will* cause users with dedicated disks serious problems, unless they adopt the same procedure require by non-dedicated disk users. The error in this case was the assumption that partitions on a dedicated disk were handled as though they were truly equivalent to the compatability slice entries. This is not correct; rather they appear as though they were in the first slice on the disk. In short, then: - /sbin/mount must be updated on all systems. - /etc/fstab for all systems should be updated to reflect the change as indicated by mount at boot time. This change can occur when convenient, as mount will search for the correct filesystem in the compatability case. Changes to correct the earlier mistakes have been committed. Please accept my apologies for the previous misinformation, and the inconvenience that this has caused by being rushed. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 02:21:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA14050 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 02:21:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA14003; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 02:21:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA22972; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:20:15 +1100 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:20:15 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199803091020.VAA22972@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: mike@smith.net.au, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >Please note that in the recent postings regarding the changes to the >fashion in which the root filesystem is located and mounted there has >been a fundamental factual error on my part. > >This error *will* cause users with dedicated disks serious problems, >unless they adopt the same procedure require by non-dedicated disk >users. > >The error in this case was the assumption that partitions on a dedicated >disk were handled as though they were truly equivalent to the >compatability slice entries. A correct assumption. >This is not correct; rather they appear >as though they were in the first slice on the disk. Not with normal slice naming. The first slice (s1) doesn't exist on dangerously dedicated disks. Rev.1.88 of autoconf.c just breaks support for dangerously dedicated disks. Rev.1.87 was correct in this areas, except it spells COMPATIBILITY_SLICE as 0. I think the recent bug reports were for non-dangerously dedicated disks. Disks that have a valid partition table, with one big DOS partition covering the MBR, are not dedicated, just dangerous. Does sysinstall create these? Anyway, the update procedure for non-dangerously-dedicated disks applies to these disks. Dangerously dedicated disks are ones with no DOS partition table. These are created using normal BSD tools (start with a blank disk and run disklabel -B on it). The boot blocks contain a special invalid DOS partition table that is recognized as invalid. Alternatively, an all-zero DOS partition table is recognized as invalid. Someone broke the bugfeature of disklabel -B of overwriting the DOS partition table, so dangerously dedicated disks are not as easy to create as they used to be. Mine have an all-zero DOS partition table. The update procedure for dangerously-dedicated disks is to back out rev.1.88 of autoconf.c. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 03:14:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA21786 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 03:14:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from itsdsv1.enc.edu (fw1.enc.edu [207.95.42.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA21781 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 03:14:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owensc@enc.edu) Received: from itsdsv2.enc.edu (itsdsv2.enc.edu [10.1.1.9]) by itsdsv1.enc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA03940; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 05:46:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 05:46:39 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Owens To: Tom cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: for 2.2.6... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Tom wrote: > > Can libc_r be built by default in 2.2.6? This adds about 1MB to > /usr/lib > > Tom Add my vote to this one... --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles N. Owens Email: owensc@enc.edu http://www.enc.edu/~owensc Network & Systems Administrator Information Technology Services "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's Eastern Nazarene College best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 06:33:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20770 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 06:33:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gfoster.intr.net (gfoster.intr.net [207.32.93.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20684 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 06:33:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gfoster@gfoster.intr.net) Received: (from gfoster@localhost) by gfoster.intr.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id JAA01741; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:33:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:33:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803091433.JAA01741@gfoster.intr.net> From: Glen Foster To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Important change warning. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I am seriously confused or, perhaps, not thinking too well today. Please forgive me if this is obtuse or repetitive but I do not understand much of the issues WRT the boot process and disk partitioning and find it difficult to understand much of the documentation, the recent advisory about the change, and subsequent messages on the -stable list. I have a sliced SCSI disk and I have entries in /etc/fstab that mount: /dev/sd0b /dev/sd0e etc. as swap or in various places. Is this what is meant by "compatibility mode?" If not, what is compatibility mode? Does compatibility mode apply only to partition "a" or all partitions referenced by the BSD label? Does this apply to SCSI disks or is it only an IDE disk issue? Will these no longer mount at bootup after the recent changes to mount, et. al. are incorporated? May one use the sd0[a-h] syntax with disks that are "dangerously dedicated" or should one assume that they are "virtually sliced" and use the slice syntax? If one always uses the slice syntax, does one always use slice 1 when there are not really any slices? Can one just change the sd0[b-h] references to, e.g., sd0s1[b-h] references and reboot with no ill effects? I am assuming that one needs the recent changes to mount to do this for sd0a -> sd0s1a. I administer geographically distant machines where I do not know if they are sliced or not. How can I tell which is the case? Fdisk(8) appears to show a DOS slice label whether or not a disk actually has one. How can I tell if I have no DOS partition table or an all-zeros DOS partition table? In playing around with the slice syntax for mounting partitions on a non-sliced SCSI disk I get warnings that what the BIOS thinks is the geometry is not what is in the BSD label. Will this cause me problems when I change from the sd0a to sd0s1a syntax? If you are mounting using the sd0s1[a-h] syntax can you still dump(8) with the sd0[a-h] syntax? Thanks for any clarification I can get, Glen Foster To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 06:54:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA25131 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 06:54:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25029; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 06:54:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA03221; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 06:53:05 -0800 (PST) To: Stefan Esser cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , dg@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI LKM support added to -stable In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 07 Mar 1998 18:21:10 +0100." <19980307182110.17928@mi.uni-koeln.de> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 06:53:05 -0800 Message-ID: <3216.889455185@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > How about the location of the file that maps PCI vendor/device IDs > to module names. Should it reside with the LKMs, or be found in /etc ? That seems to be a reasonable candidate for living with the LKMs, don't you think? Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 08:34:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA08020 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:34:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from why.whine.com (whine-gw.whine.com [205.150.249.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08014 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:34:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@whine.com) Received: from why (why [205.150.249.1]) by why.whine.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28851; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:34:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:34:23 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Herdman X-Sender: andrew@why To: Mike Smith cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Important change warning. (short version) In-Reply-To: <199803090249.SAA12520@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Mike; Does this mean that we will now be able to have more than 1 bootable freebsd slice per drive using Booteasy? Andrew On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > >A change will shortly be made to the 2.2.5-STABLE tree which will >change the way that the root filesystem is mounted at boot time. > >This only affects systems booting from sliced disks, ie. where FreeBSD >was installed so as to be compatible with other operating systems. > >Currently, the system mounts the root filesystem using the compatability >slice. This will be discontinued, and instead the correct slice will be >mounted. > >In order to deal with the change, mount has been updated to handle old >/etc/fstab files (ie. those that refer to the compatability slice for >the root filesystem). You must update mount before booting a new >kernel. > >If there is a mismatch between your /etc/fstab file and the mounted >root filesystem, mount will emit a warning diagnostic. The diagnostic >is harmless, and can be ignored if you require the ability to boot >older kernels. > >-- >\\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith >\\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au >\\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org >\\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 11:21:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10154 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:21:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ziplink.net (relay-0.ziplink.net [206.15.168.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10005 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:20:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lrios@ziplink.net) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net (zip1.ziplink.net [206.15.168.18]) by ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA12381 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:54:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:57:02 -0500 (EST) From: lrios To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Named and BSD 2-2-5 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I'm running Bind 8.1.1 on a pentinum II 266 with 128M of memory and approx. once every two to three days named dumps core claiming calloc errors (see below) 1) Has anyone experienced this problem with a similar setup?? 2) What can I do to stop this error?? I have inserted some extra options in the kernel as maxchild but other than that it's pretty stock.. Heres a copy of this error: 11:29:44 picnic Mar 9 11:29:44named[: qnew: calloc failed Mar 9 11:29:44 picnic Mar 9 11:29:44named[: qnew: calloc failed Mar 9 11:29:44 picnic Mar 9 11:29:44named[: qnew: calloc failed Mar 9 11:29:49 picnic /kernel: pid 1186 (named), uid 0: exited on signal 6 (cor e dumped) Any help would be very helpful.. ______ __ /___ / / / __ / /(@)__ / (@)__ / /__ lrios@ziplink.net / // / _ \/ / / _ \/ '_/ / //_/ .__/_/_/_//_/_/\_\ NASA TEAM / /__/_/___________________ `He who dies with the most toys win!` /___________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 11:47:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17392 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:47:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from eyelab.psy.msu.edu (eyelab.psy.msu.edu [35.8.64.179]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17322 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:46:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@eyelab.psy.msu.edu) Received: from default (pntcmi137060.voyager.net [209.153.137.60]) by eyelab.psy.msu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA01358 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:24:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from root@eyelab.psy.msu.edu) Message-Id: <199803091924.OAA01358@eyelab.psy.msu.edu> X-Sender: root@eyelab.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 14:17:12 -0500 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Gary Schrock Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. In-Reply-To: <199803091020.VAA22972@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk This is making me very concerned. We get about 3 hours warning on this, and are told that for the time being as long as you update mount you shouldn't have problems. Then later we get corrections to who this change really affects. How well tested is this change? How do I *know* I'm not going to have problems because something might have been missed? For that matter, why did this need to be put in freebsd-STABLE instead of current? To me it makes more sense to have put it there, because at least there one expects changes that might break things. I also find the attitude about people who have to do remote updates a bit disconcerting. Some of us have no choice. When your machine exists by the grace of the people at the other end, and you have to pay obscene rates to get someone to do work on it if something goes wrong, you have a right to be concerned about how this will affect things. Not everyone can have someone local to the machine that's available to go in if something gets screwed up. In our case, the closest person to the machine is a couple hours away, and can only get in during regular business hours, a time which when he's busy at his regular job. How long is the backwards compatability going to be in? Can we at least assume that it won't be removed in the life of 2.2? If I don't have to worry about the compatability disappearing in 2.2, then I can safely just leave it in until we have a time when we can get someone to go to the machine in case something happens. Gary Schrock root@eyelab.msu.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 11:47:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17440 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:47:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA17366 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:46:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yC8Er-0000QK-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:29:29 -0800 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:29:27 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: lrios cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Named and BSD 2-2-5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, lrios wrote: > I'm running Bind 8.1.1 on a pentinum II 266 with 128M of memory and > approx. once every two to three days named dumps core claiming calloc Are you starting named with high enough limits? Type "limit" and see. Tom Systems Support Uniserve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 12:44:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29449 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:44:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from stern.buffalostate.edu (root@stern.buffalostate.edu [136.183.7.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29438 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:44:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hummel@stern.buffalostate.edu) Received: from localhost (hummel@localhost) by stern.buffalostate.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA21930 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:54:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:54:28 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Hummel To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make buildworld fails (nfs_prot.h) (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On stable supped this morning my make world failed. Am I wrong in thinking that getting nfs_prot.h will solve my problem? Also, will a 'make -DNOCLEAN all' help me any or do I have to start again? In file included from /usr/src/usr.sbin/amd/amq/amq.c:59: /usr/src/usr.sbin/amd/amq/../include/am.h:52: nfs_prot.h: No such file or directory In file included from /usr/src/usr.sbin/amd/amq/../rpcx/amq_clnt.c:44: /usr/src/usr.sbin/amd/amq/../include/am.h:52: nfs_prot.h: No such file or directory In file included from /usr/src/usr.sbin/amd/amq/../rpcx/amq_xdr.c:44: /usr/src/usr.sbin/amd/amq/../include/am.h:52: nfs_prot.h: No such file or directory In file included from /usr/src/usr.sbin/amd/amq/../amd/misc_rpc.c:48: /usr/src/usr.sbin/amd/amq/../include/am.h:52: nfs_prot.h: No such file or directory mkdep: compile failed *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. # To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 13:43:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA06170 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:43:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from northwest.com (port05.northwest.com [204.119.42.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA06152 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:43:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stevemw@northwest.com) Received: from fuji (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by northwest.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA27243; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:48:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stevemw@fuji) Message-Id: <199803092048.MAA27243@northwest.com> To: Dave Hummel Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make buildworld fails (nfs_prot.h) (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Mar 1998 14:54:28 EST." Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 12:48:33 -0800 From: Stephen Wynne Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message , Dave Hummel writes: On stable supped this morning my make world failed. For me, too, same reason. It's good to know that I'm not alone in this! Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 13:45:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA06752 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:45:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from opus.cts.cwu.edu (skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu [198.104.92.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA06620 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:45:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu) Received: from localhost (skynyrd@localhost) by opus.cts.cwu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA03883; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:45:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:45:00 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Timmons To: lrios cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Named and BSD 2-2-5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk There are some memory leaks in bind-8.1.1 and depending on your application, the process will grow huge, otherwise it is pretty stable. Mine has been running for about 36 days and has size of about 19M. I'd get a copy of the login.conf from 2.2-stable (some errors were corrected since 2.2.5R), and then up the values for daemon a bit. These values may not be appropriate for your machine, but I finally got tired of dancing around limits, got out the Big Emacs and hammered a little bit: daemon:\ :coredumpsize=infinity:\ :coredumpsize-cur@:\ :datasize=infinity:\ :datasize-cur@:\ :maxproc=512:\ :maxproc-cur@:\ :memoryuse=infinity:\ :memoryuse-cur@:\ :memorylocked=infinity:\ :memorylocked-cur@:\ :openfiles=infinity:\ :openfiles-cur@:\ :stacksize=128M:\ :stacksize-cur@:\ :tc=default: -Chris On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, lrios wrote: > I'm running Bind 8.1.1 on a pentinum II 266 with 128M of memory and > approx. once every two to three days named dumps core claiming calloc > errors (see below) > 1) Has anyone experienced this problem with a similar setup?? > 2) What can I do to stop this error?? > > I have inserted some extra options in the kernel as maxchild but other > than that it's pretty stock.. > Heres a copy of this error: > > 11:29:44 picnic Mar 9 11:29:44named[: qnew: calloc failed > Mar 9 11:29:44 picnic Mar 9 11:29:44named[: qnew: calloc failed > Mar 9 11:29:44 picnic Mar 9 11:29:44named[: qnew: calloc failed > Mar 9 11:29:49 picnic /kernel: pid 1186 (named), uid 0: exited on signal > 6 (cor > e dumped) > > Any help would be very helpful.. > ______ __ > /___ / / / __ > / /(@)__ / (@)__ / /__ lrios@ziplink.net > / // / _ \/ / / _ \/ '_/ > / //_/ .__/_/_/_//_/_/\_\ NASA TEAM > / /__/_/___________________ `He who dies with the most toys win!` > /___________________________ > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 13:59:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA10123 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:59:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aries.fortean.com (aries.fortean.com [209.42.194.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA10073 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:59:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) Received: from localhost (walter@localhost) by aries.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA17902 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:58:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) X-Authentication-Warning: aries.fortean.com: walter owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:58:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Bruce M. Walter" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. In-Reply-To: <199803091924.OAA01358@eyelab.psy.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Gary Schrock wrote: > This is making me very concerned. We get about 3 hours warning on this, > and are told that for the time being as long as you update mount you > shouldn't have problems. Then later we get corrections to who this change > really affects. How well tested is this change? How do I *know* I'm not > going to have problems because something might have been missed? For that > matter, why did this need to be put in freebsd-STABLE instead of current? > To me it makes more sense to have put it there, because at least there one > expects changes that might break things. I don't do this too often, but I'm just getting too much activity from the -STABLE list ;) Tracking -STABLE is a responsibility folks! That's the bottom line. I use FreeBSD in a good number of applications, some mission critical and I simply don't see what the problem is here. It sure is a *privilege* to be able to track a working snapshot, but it's just as sure not *necessary* to track it. Folks go way out of their way here to maintain not only releases and snapshots, but up-to-the-minute sources as well. It's up to you to decide which fits your purposes. I'm fairly sure if this is going into -STABLE it's been beaten like a dead horse somewhere... Most likely in -CURRENT. And if it's a pretty big deal (and it is) I'm sure no-one would stick their necks out unless it was extremely desirable for 2.2.6. On the FreeBSD highway, -STABLE is one of the middle lanes. Slower traffic should keep right... ie: -RELEASE (in the US that is :) > I also find the attitude about people who have to do remote updates a bit > disconcerting. Some of us have no choice. I'm in the same boat here, too. Again, that machine does *NOT* track -STABLE. It runs -STABLE but only after I'm damn well sure I won't be driving 45 minutes to go and reboot it. - Bruce ======================================================================== || Bruce M. Walter || 107 Timber Hollow Court #335 || || Senior Network Consultant || Chapel Hill, NC 27514 || || Fortean Technologies, Inc. || Tel: 919-967-4766 || || Information Technology Consultants || Fax: 919-967-4395 || ======================================================================== || BSD Unix -- It's not just a job, it's a way of life! || ======================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 14:00:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10354 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:00:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA10106; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:59:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA12078; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:59:40 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199803092159.SAA12078@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: PCI LKM support added to -stable In-Reply-To: <3216.889455185@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Mar 9, 98 06:53:05 am" To: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:59:40 -0300 (EST) Cc: se@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, dg@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk #define quoting(Jordan K. Hubbard) // > How about the location of the file that maps PCI vendor/device IDs // > to module names. Should it reside with the LKMs, or be found in /etc ? // // That seems to be a reasonable candidate for living with the LKMs, // don't you think? While you're working with LKMs, what about creating some kind of version control, to avoid using LKMs incompatible with the kernel version used ? Every once in a while I forget to compile LKMs together with a new kernel. And when I remember compiling them, I forget saving a backup for using with the old kernel, in case of problems. A good approach would allow different versions of LKMs together, and they would be loaded (or not) accordingly to the kernel version they require. I'm not sure on how to do this. The first ideia I had was to use version control, like shared libs, but I could not fit it in a good way. I think that it's LKM function to detect the kernel it requires, and not otherwise. This will reduce the number of LKM versions needed. But an one-to-one approach would also make me happy. :) Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 14:13:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12747 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:13:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12688; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:12:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA16255; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:10:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803092210.OAA16255@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Bruce Evans cc: mike@smith.net.au, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Mar 1998 21:20:15 +1100." <199803091020.VAA22972@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 14:10:24 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > >Please note that in the recent postings regarding the changes to the > >fashion in which the root filesystem is located and mounted there has > >been a fundamental factual error on my part. > > > >This error *will* cause users with dedicated disks serious problems, > >unless they adopt the same procedure require by non-dedicated disk > >users. > > > >The error in this case was the assumption that partitions on a dedicated > >disk were handled as though they were truly equivalent to the > >compatability slice entries. > > A correct assumption. This doesn't appear to be borne out in any consistent fashion. > >This is not correct; rather they appear > >as though they were in the first slice on the disk. > > Not with normal slice naming. The first slice (s1) doesn't exist on > dangerously dedicated disks. Rev.1.88 of autoconf.c just breaks > support for dangerously dedicated disks. Rev.1.87 was correct in > this areas, except it spells COMPATIBILITY_SLICE as 0. That's odd then; libdisk calls them 'xdNs1', and you appear to be able to mount them like that. More significantly, the bootstrap passes the invalid slice number 1 in; using this is guaranteed to result in failure, as there aren't any devices with a '1' in the slice field. I believed that I had, actually, tested on a dedicated-disk system, however it appears otherwise. 8( > disks are not as easy to create as they used to be. Mine have > an all-zero DOS partition table. The update procedure for > dangerously-dedicated disks is to back out rev.1.88 of autoconf.c. *sigh* I thought that I had established this correctly twice now, based on code study and our earlier discussions. Can I please confirm, so that this isn't screwed for good? - If the slice number from the bootstrap is in the range BASE_SLICE to MAX_SLICES, it is OK to insert this as-is into the root device minor number. - If the slice number is < BASE_SLICE, the correct minor for the root device will have a 0 in the slice field. ie. I should be using COMPATABILITY_SLICE not BASE_SLICE in the test in setroot()? Thanks. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 15:59:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06322 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:59:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail-relay1.yahoo.com (mail-relay1.yahoo.com [206.251.17.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06258 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:58:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from serge@yahoo-inc.com) Received: from borogove.yahoo.com (borogove.yahoo.com [205.216.162.65]) by mail-relay1.yahoo.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29627; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:58:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from serge.yahoo.com (serge.yahoo.com [205.216.162.201]) by borogove.yahoo.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA28199; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:58:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:58:08 -0800 (PST) From: Sergiy Zhuk X-Sender: serge@serge.yahoo.com To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG cc: dk@genesyslab.com Subject: portmap failures Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk hi does anybody know smth about 'portmap' or related kernel bugs ? I have 2.2.x(some SNAP before 2.2.5R) and 2.2.5 as well as some 2.1 systems on which portmap dies periodically. I can not catch the rules of those failures, i.e. what causes them to fail, but here is the message from /var/log/messages: Mar 5 07:47:38 serge portmap[87]: svc_run: - select failed: No child processes Mar 5 07:47:38 serge /kernel: pid 87 (portmap), uid 1: exited on signal 6 Mar 5 07:47:38 serge portmap[87]: svc_run returned unexpectedly Mar 7 15:26:50 serge portmap[5014]: svc_run: - select failed: No child processes Mar 7 15:26:50 serge /kernel: pid 5014 (portmap), uid 1: exited on signal 6 Mar 7 15:26:50 serge portmap[5014]: svc_run returned unexpectedly the deal is select() should *not* return "no child processes" according to man pages... The high load could not be the issue with my host, it could be with the others though... Any clues ? -- rgds, serge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 16:24:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12529 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:24:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA12297 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:23:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25621; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:13:53 -0800 (PST) To: Dave Hummel cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make buildworld fails (nfs_prot.h) (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Mar 1998 14:54:28 EST." Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 16:13:52 -0800 Message-ID: <25618.889488832@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > On stable supped this morning my make world failed. > Am I wrong in thinking that getting nfs_prot.h will solve my problem? Narrow window of failure - cvsup again and all should be well. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 16:27:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13317 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:27:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13213 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:27:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25802 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:26:09 -0800 (PST) To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 2.2.5-stable is now in BETA test. Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 16:26:09 -0800 Message-ID: <25798.889489569@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Please talk to me before making any commits to that branch. I'm not saying that all commits need to be funneled through me, simply that I'd like the ability to say what goes in and what doesn't since I'll be the one crying loudest if someone breaks the 2.2 branch one day before release. :) Thanks! Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 16:46:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18188 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:46:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.2.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA17891; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:45:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chad@freebie.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.7/8.8.3a) id RAA08173; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:31:11 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199803100031.RAA08173@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: 2.2.5-stable is now in BETA test. To: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:31:10 -0700 (MST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <25798.889489569@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Mar 9, 98 04:26:09 pm" Reply-to: chad@dcfinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Ummm... I probably won't be the only one who asks, "Should that subject line reference 2.2.6? -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-953-1392 chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 17:31:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA26608 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:31:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from megaweapon.zigg.com (tcgr1-67.dialup.alliance.net [207.74.43.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA26535; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:30:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@zigg.com) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by megaweapon.zigg.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA19021; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:23:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from matt@megaweapon.zigg.com) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:23:32 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Behrens To: chad@dcfinc.com cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.5-stable is now in BETA test. In-Reply-To: <199803100031.RAA08173@freebie.dcfinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Chad R. Larson wrote: > Ummm... I probably won't be the only one who asks, "Should that subject > line reference 2.2.6? It's 2.2.5-STABLE until 3.0 moves into STABLE. 2.2.6-RELEASE, sure! 2.2.6-BETA, maybe. But not 2.2.6-STABLE. (: Matt Behrens | I have no witty or political quotes http://www.zigg.com/ | in my sig, and probably won't for a Chanop Script Coordinator | little while. Being witty is hard World-Wide FreeNet IRC Network | when you're trying to learn vi. :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 18:01:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04407 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:01:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04337 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:00:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from [208.2.87.4] (user4.dataplex.net [208.2.87.4]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA08170; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:00:14 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199803100031.RAA08173@freebie.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:59:38 -0600 To: Matt Behrens From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: 2.2.5-stable is now in BETA test. Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 7:23 PM -0600 3/9/98, Matt Behrens wrote: >On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Chad R. Larson wrote: > >> Ummm... I probably won't be the only one who asks, "Should that subject >> line reference 2.2.6? > >It's 2.2.5-STABLE until 3.0 moves into STABLE. 2.2.6-RELEASE, sure! >2.2.6-BETA, maybe. But not 2.2.6-STABLE. (: The status of the 2.2 branch is not a function of the status of the 3.0 branch. 2.1 is still a "STABLE" branch. Frankly, I wish that people would think of "DEVELOPMENT", "ALPHA", "BETA", "STABLE", etc. as descriptions of the state of a development tree rather than the name of it. Once a branch reaches "stability", is SHOULD remain that way. Unfortunately, some enhancements/corrections have the undesirable effect of temporarily destablizing things. However, that is a risk that you take in grabbing the head of the branch rather than some point that has received enough testing to validate its stability. In particular, we are now in a beta test phase anticipating the 2.2.6 release. mkdir FreeBSD ; cd FreeBSD mkdir FreeBSD-2.1 populate it mkdir FreeBSD-2.2 populate it mkdir FreeBSD-3.0 populate it ln -s FreeBSD-2.2 FreeBSD-STABLE ln -s FreeBSD-3.0 FreeBSD-DEVELOPMENT ln -s FreeBSD-2.2 FreeBSD-2.2.6-BETA Richard Wackerbarth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 18:03:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04970 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:03:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04889; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:03:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA26211; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:02:20 -0800 (PST) To: chad@dcfinc.com cc: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG (Jordan K. Hubbard), stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.5-stable is now in BETA test. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Mar 1998 17:31:10 MST." <199803100031.RAA08173@freebie.dcfinc.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 18:02:20 -0800 Message-ID: <26208.889495340@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk It's referring to the branch called 2.2.5-stable. 2.2.6 won't officially exist until the BETA is completed. :) > Ummm... I probably won't be the only one who asks, "Should that subject > line reference 2.2.6? > > -crl > -- > Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? > 602-953-1392 chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com larson1@home.com > DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 18:07:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA06288 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:07:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06083; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:06:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA26202; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:01:54 +1100 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:01:54 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199803100201.NAA26202@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> >The error in this case was the assumption that partitions on a dedicated >> >disk were handled as though they were truly equivalent to the >> >compatability slice entries. >> >> A correct assumption. > >This doesn't appear to be borne out in any consistent fashion. It is nevertheless correct. >> >This is not correct; rather they appear >> >as though they were in the first slice on the disk. >> >> Not with normal slice naming. The first slice (s1) doesn't exist on >> dangerously dedicated disks. Rev.1.88 of autoconf.c just breaks >> support for dangerously dedicated disks. Rev.1.87 was correct in >> this areas, except it spells COMPATIBILITY_SLICE as 0. > >That's odd then; libdisk calls them 'xdNs1', and you appear to be able >to mount them like that. Slice s1 has slice number 2. It is easy to confuse this with slice number 2. setroot() now suffers from this confusion. >More significantly, the bootstrap passes the invalid slice number 1 in; >using this is guaranteed to result in failure, as there aren't any >devices with a '1' in the slice field. Correct. >I believed that I had, actually, tested on a dedicated-disk system, >however it appears otherwise. 8( It broke immediately here. I lied about having a DOS partition table with all-zeros. I actually have one with the historical invalid partition table. This breaks in a different way. There are _three_ signifantly different configurations that give the whole disk to FreeBSD. See below. >I thought that I had established this correctly twice now, based on >code study and our earlier discussions. Can I please confirm, so that >this isn't screwed for good? > - If the slice number from the bootstrap is in the range BASE_SLICE to > MAX_SLICES, it is OK to insert this as-is into the root device minor > number. No. This breaks in my configuration with a historical invalid partition table (see biosboot/boot2.S). The boot blocks search this table and find slice 4 in it. They don't notice that it is invalid, so they pass slice 4 to the kernel. The kernel notices that it is invalid and gives only the compatibility slice, so the boot fails. Slice 4 must be mapped to slice COMPATIBILITY_SLICE (= 0) in this case. > - If the slice number is < BASE_SLICE, the correct minor for the root > device will have a 0 in the slice field. Correct, but it is better to write this rule as: - If the slice number is == WHOLE_DISK_SLICE, the correct minor for the root device will have COMPATIBILITY_SLICE in the slice field. >ie. I should be using COMPATABILITY_SLICE not BASE_SLICE in the test in >setroot()? Yes. Summary of the 3 cases where the whole disk is used for FreeBSD: Partition table config Slice# passed by bootblocks Slice# to use for "/" ---------------------- --------------------------- ------------------------- Signature != 0xAA55 WHOLE_DISK_SLICE (= 1) COMPATIBILITY_SLICE (= 0) Historical invalid BASE_SLICE + 3 (= 5) COMPATIBILITY_SLICE (= 0) "Valid" (1 big part.) BASE_SLICE + N (0 <= N < 4) BASE_SLICE + N User actions in the 3 cases: 1. Hope this doesn't happen. It is very unlikely to happen for boot disks. 2. Wait for fixes. 3. Same as for cases where the whole disk is not used for FreeBSD - edit /etc/fstab. There isn't really an all-zeros case. If the MBR signature is 0xAA55, then all-zeros in the partition table gives 4 slices of size 0. All-zeros in the MBR gives a signature of 0 so it reduces to the signature != 0xAA55 case. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 18:14:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08240 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:14:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA08058; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:13:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA26295; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:11:56 -0800 (PST) To: Matt Behrens cc: chad@dcfinc.com, "Jordan K. Hubbard" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, rgrimes@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.5-stable is now in BETA test. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Mar 1998 20:23:32 EST." Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 18:11:56 -0800 Message-ID: <26292.889495916@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Chad R. Larson wrote: > > > Ummm... I probably won't be the only one who asks, "Should that subject > > line reference 2.2.6? > > It's 2.2.5-STABLE until 3.0 moves into STABLE. 2.2.6-RELEASE, sure! > 2.2.6-BETA, maybe. But not 2.2.6-STABLE. (: You're saying that you don't like the branch renaming to 2.2.5-stable? Hmmm. Discuss it with Rod then (cc'd) because it was his idea. :( Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 18:46:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13257 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:46:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13241 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:46:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA28188; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:42:32 +1100 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:42:32 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199803100242.NAA28188@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, serge@yahoo-inc.com Subject: Re: portmap failures Cc: dk@genesyslab.com Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >does anybody know smth about 'portmap' or related kernel bugs ? >I have 2.2.x(some SNAP before 2.2.5R) and 2.2.5 as well as some 2.1 systems >on which portmap dies periodically. I can not catch the rules of those >failures, i.e. what causes them to fail, but here is the message from >/var/log/messages: > >Mar 5 07:47:38 serge portmap[87]: svc_run: - select failed: No child processes >Mar 5 07:47:38 serge /kernel: pid 87 (portmap), uid 1: exited on signal 6 >Mar 5 07:47:38 serge portmap[87]: svc_run returned unexpectedly >Mar 7 15:26:50 serge portmap[5014]: svc_run: - select failed: No child processes >Mar 7 15:26:50 serge /kernel: pid 5014 (portmap), uid 1: exited on signal 6 >Mar 7 15:26:50 serge portmap[5014]: svc_run returned unexpectedly > >the deal is select() should *not* return "no child processes" according to >man pages... This seems to be caused by portmap's SIGCHLD handler not preserving errno. This may be a library bug. POSIX.1 says that it is safe to call wait() from a signal handler. However, portmap() actually calls wait3(), and all syscalls traditionally clobber errno, so robust signal handlers should preserve errno explicitly even if they call a "safe" function. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 18:51:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14229 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:51:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from megaweapon.zigg.com (tcgr1-33.dialup.alliance.net [207.74.43.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13915; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:49:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@zigg.com) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by megaweapon.zigg.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA19637; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:50:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from matt@megaweapon.zigg.com) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:50:17 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Behrens To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: chad@dcfinc.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, rgrimes@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.5-stable is now in BETA test. In-Reply-To: <26292.889495916@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Chad R. Larson wrote: > > > Ummm... I probably won't be the only one who asks, "Should that subject > > > line reference 2.2.6? > > It's 2.2.5-STABLE until 3.0 moves into STABLE. 2.2.6-RELEASE, sure! > > 2.2.6-BETA, maybe. But not 2.2.6-STABLE. (: > > You're saying that you don't like the branch renaming to 2.2.5-stable? > > Hmmm. Discuss it with Rod then (cc'd) because it was his idea. :( No, I didn't say that. 2.2.5-STABLE did puzzle me a bit at first though. Matt Behrens | James McDougal dies in prison on March http://www.zigg.com/ | 9, 1998. The government says "cardiac Chanop Script Coordinator | arrest". Why doesn't anyone remember World-Wide FreeNet IRC Network | Vince Foster? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 18:59:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA15708 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:59:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15602; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:58:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA17092; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:55:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803100255.SAA17092@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Bruce Evans cc: mike@smith.net.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:01:54 +1100." <199803100201.NAA26202@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 18:55:53 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > >I believed that I had, actually, tested on a dedicated-disk system, > >however it appears otherwise. 8( > > It broke immediately here. I lied about having a DOS partition table > with all-zeros. I actually have one with the historical invalid > partition table. This breaks in a different way. There are _three_ > signifantly different configurations that give the whole disk to > FreeBSD. See below. This is the problem; I had the understanding that there was only one. > >I thought that I had established this correctly twice now, based on > >code study and our earlier discussions. Can I please confirm, so that > >this isn't screwed for good? > > > - If the slice number from the bootstrap is in the range BASE_SLICE to > > MAX_SLICES, it is OK to insert this as-is into the root device minor > > number. > > No. This breaks in my configuration with a historical invalid partition > table (see biosboot/boot2.S). The boot blocks search this table and > find slice 4 in it. They don't notice that it is invalid, so they pass > slice 4 to the kernel. The kernel notices that it is invalid and gives > only the compatibility slice, so the boot fails. Slice 4 must be mapped > to slice COMPATIBILITY_SLICE (= 0) in this case. This is the case where the disk has been initialised with 'disklabel auto', it seems. > > - If the slice number is < BASE_SLICE, the correct minor for the root > > device will have a 0 in the slice field. > > Correct, but it is better to write this rule as: > > - If the slice number is == WHOLE_DISK_SLICE, the correct minor for the > root device will have COMPATIBILITY_SLICE in the slice field. OK. > >ie. I should be using COMPATABILITY_SLICE not BASE_SLICE in the test in > >setroot()? > > Yes. > > Summary of the 3 cases where the whole disk is used for FreeBSD: > > Partition table config Slice# passed by bootblocks Slice# to use for "/" > ---------------------- --------------------------- ------------------------- > Signature != 0xAA55 WHOLE_DISK_SLICE (= 1) COMPATIBILITY_SLICE (= 0) > Historical invalid BASE_SLICE + 3 (= 5) COMPATIBILITY_SLICE (= 0) > "Valid" (1 big part.) BASE_SLICE + N (0 <= N < 4) BASE_SLICE + N There appears to be no means for differentiating the "historical invalid" case from the "valid" case where the first FreeBSD slice has N == 3, given the constraints under which setroot() is operating. (Note that "valid" above is a subset of any FreeBSD slice being anywhere on the disk. It is this subset that the sysinstall "all disk/no" option generates.) Do you have any suggestions for making this differentiation? Altering the bootstrap is not practical at this point in time, as it hamstrings upgraders. > User actions in the 3 cases: > 1. Hope this doesn't happen. It is very unlikely to happen for boot disks. > 2. Wait for fixes. > 3. Same as for cases where the whole disk is not used for FreeBSD - edit > /etc/fstab. I would like to find a fix for 2. that doesn't involve going backwards to the 'bad old days', but this seems difficult just now. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 18:59:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA15865 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:59:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mb103.infoweb.or.jp (mb103.infoweb.or.jp [202.248.2.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15687; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:58:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from bubble.didi.com by mb103.infoweb.or.jp (8.8.7+2.7Wbeta7/3.6Wbeta6-09/12/97) id LAA14926; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:58:29 +0900 Received: (from asami@localhost) by bubble.didi.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA02172; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:57:09 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from asami) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:57:09 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199803100257.LAA02172@bubble.didi.com> To: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG CC: matt@zigg.com, chad@dcfinc.com, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, rgrimes@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <26292.889495916@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@FreeBSD.ORG) Subject: Re: 2.2.5-stable is now in BETA test. From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Please call it 2.2.6-BETA and bump the reldate to "226000". I need to check if any ports break with that. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 19:02:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17164 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:02:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16964; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:02:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA00368; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:01:19 -0800 (PST) To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) cc: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, matt@zigg.com, chad@dcfinc.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, rgrimes@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.5-stable is now in BETA test. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:57:09 +0900." <199803100257.LAA02172@bubble.didi.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 19:01:18 -0800 Message-ID: <360.889498878@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Done. I thought you wanted reldate bumped later, but I can just as easily do it now. P.S. Reading mail from Pacific HiTech, eh? :-) Jordan > Please call it 2.2.6-BETA and bump the reldate to "226000". I need to > check if any ports break with that. > > Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 19:23:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA21347 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:23:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from granite.sentex.net (granite.sentex.ca [199.212.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA20931 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:21:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from gravel (gravel-remoteh.sentex.ca [207.245.212.157]) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA16222 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:53:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980309214144.00c75100@sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@sentex.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 21:41:44 -0500 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Tancsa Subject: ipfw unreach statement help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On a FreeBSD 2.2-980304-SNAP machine, I added the following ipfw add 02007 unreach 13 log icmp from any to any in recv ed0 icmptype 8 which shows up as 02007 7 588 unreach filter-prohib log icmp from any to any in recv ed0 icmptype 8 But when I ping the host from the outside, I dont get an ICMP message back that its blocked by a filter as I do when ping a different non-FreeBSD hosts (e.g.) 36 bytes from cn-onet.uwaterloo.ca (129.97.144.1): Communication prohibited by filter Vr HL TOS Len ID Flg off TTL Pro cks Src Dst 4 5 00 5400 d4ac 0 0000 f6 01 b217 207.245.239.1 129.97.42.10 Thanks, ---Mike ********************************************************************** Mike Tancsa (mike@sentex.net) * To do is to be -- Nietzsche Sentex Communications Corp, * To be is to do -- Sartre Cambridge, Ontario * Do be do be do -- Sinatra (http://www.sentex.net/~mdtancsa) * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 19:51:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA25856 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:51:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA25791; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:50:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA30899; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:42:34 +1100 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:42:34 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199803100342.OAA30899@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> No. This breaks in my configuration with a historical invalid partition >> table (see biosboot/boot2.S). The boot blocks search this table and >> find slice 4 in it. They don't notice that it is invalid, so they pass >> slice 4 to the kernel. The kernel notices that it is invalid and gives >> only the compatibility slice, so the boot fails. Slice 4 must be mapped >> to slice COMPATIBILITY_SLICE (= 0) in this case. > >This is the case where the disk has been initialised with 'disklabel >auto', it seems. It depends whether the disk has a suitable existing DOS partition table (and perhaps a suitable BSD label). `disklabel' preserves the table if and only if the table (4 partition entries, not the signature) is not all-zero. `disklabel auto' only works if disk size (as guessed for the auto label) is the same as (or perhaps larger than) the size of the slice being labeled. The sizes will usually be the same if either a) the disk doesn't have any DOS partitions or labels - then `disklabel auto' will initialize the partition table. b) the disk has a DOS partition table with one partition covering the whole disk - then `disklabel auto' won't change the partition table. >> Partition table config Slice# passed by bootblocks Slice# to use for "/" >> ---------------------- --------------------------- ------------------------- >> Signature != 0xAA55 WHOLE_DISK_SLICE (= 1) COMPATIBILITY_SLICE (= 0) >> Historical invalid BASE_SLICE + 3 (= 5) COMPATIBILITY_SLICE (= 0) >> "Valid" (1 big part.) BASE_SLICE + N (0 <= N < 4) BASE_SLICE + N > >There appears to be no means for differentiating the "historical >invalid" case from the "valid" case where the first FreeBSD slice has >N == 3, given the constraints under which setroot() is operating. setroot() doesn't have many constraints. I think it can just attempt to open the device passed by the boot blocks, except in case 1. If this succeeds, then the disk must have real slices. If not, the error is probably caused by the boot blocks passing us the wrong device or unit, and we have worse problems than mistranslating the slice. >(Note that "valid" above is a subset of any FreeBSD slice being anywhere > on the disk. It is this subset that the sysinstall "all disk/no" > option generates.) Except "(1 big part.)" is supposed to restrict to the case where the partition covers the whole disk. It can still be an primary partition (slice 1-4). I don't know exactly what sysinstall does. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 20:38:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA05531 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:38:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA05264; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:38:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA04547; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 01:37:28 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199803100437.BAA04547@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. In-Reply-To: <199803100201.NAA26202@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from Bruce Evans at "Mar 10, 98 01:01:54 pm" To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 01:37:28 -0300 (EST) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, mike@smith.net.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk #define quoting(Bruce Evans) // Summary of the 3 cases where the whole disk is used for FreeBSD: // // Partition table config Slice# passed by bootblocks Slice# to use for "/" // ---------------------- --------------------------- ------------------------- // Signature != 0xAA55 WHOLE_DISK_SLICE (= 1) COMPATIBILITY_SLICE (= 0) // Historical invalid BASE_SLICE + 3 (= 5) COMPATIBILITY_SLICE (= 0) // "Valid" (1 big part.) BASE_SLICE + N (0 <= N < 4) BASE_SLICE + N // // User actions in the 3 cases: // 1. Hope this doesn't happen. It is very unlikely to happen for boot disks. Most PC BIOSes (if not all) will not boot from a disk if the first block does not have the 0xAA55 signature. Indeed, they will not boot without a valid MBR. Have you ever seen such a case ? Or does this discussion apply to PC98 (from which I have no info, and don't know if the above is still true) and Alpha ports ? // 2. Wait for fixes. // 3. Same as for cases where the whole disk is not used for FreeBSD - edit // /etc/fstab. Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 21:03:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA11079 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:03:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050ndd.san.rr.com (root@dt050ndd.san.rr.com [204.210.31.221]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA10978 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:03:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (dougdougdougdoug@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050ndd.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03778; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:02:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <3504C982.8BB6BA23@dal.net> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 21:02:58 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE-0308 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lrios CC: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Named and BSD 2-2-5 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk lrios wrote: > > I'm running Bind 8.1.1 on a pentinum II 266 with 128M of memory and > approx. once every two to three days named dumps core claiming calloc > errors (see below) > 1) Has anyone experienced this problem with a similar setup?? Yes, all the time. Are you by chance using the memory limit options in named.conf? They cause named to dump core in this way. > 2) What can I do to stop this error?? Nothing. It's a bug in BIND, reportedly fixed in 8.1.2 which is due out soon, as in the next few months from what I understand. > I have inserted some extra options in the kernel as maxchild but other > than that it's pretty stock.. You should probably do this in /etc/login.conf instead, but that's up to you. I have a script that tests to see if named is running and starts it if it's not. If you need a copy mail me privately. Hope this helps, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 9 21:20:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA14794 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:20:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA14776; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:20:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA02316; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:17:41 +1100 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:17:41 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199803100517.QAA02316@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@smith.net.au, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >// User actions in the 3 cases: >// 1. Hope this doesn't happen. It is very unlikely to happen for boot disks. > >Most PC BIOSes (if not all) will not boot from a disk if the first block >does not have the 0xAA55 signature. Indeed, they will not boot without >a valid MBR. The FreeBSD boot blocks can boot from any fd, wd, sd or wfd disk supported by the BIOS. >Have you ever seen such a case ? Or does this discussion apply to I probably have, but don't remember. One of my systems loads the boot blocks from wd0 and the boot blocks the kernel from sd0. sd0 is all-FreeBSD and would work with all-zeros in the MBR. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 00:28:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA09448 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 00:28:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from watermarkgroup.com (lor.watermarkgroup.com [207.202.73.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA09441; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 00:28:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luoqi@watermarkgroup.com) Received: by watermarkgroup.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26647; Tue, 10 Mar 98 03:27:32 EST Date: Tue, 10 Mar 98 03:27:32 EST From: luoqi@watermarkgroup.com (Luoqi Chen) Message-Id: <9803100827.AA26647@watermarkgroup.com> To: bde@zeta.org.au, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Summary of the 3 cases where the whole disk is used for FreeBSD: > > > > Partition table config Slice# passed by bootblocks Slice# to use for "/" > > ---------------------- --------------------------- ------------------------- > > Signature != 0xAA55 WHOLE_DISK_SLICE (= 1) COMPATIBILITY_SLICE (= 0) > > Historical invalid BASE_SLICE + 3 (= 5) COMPATIBILITY_SLICE (= 0) > > "Valid" (1 big part.) BASE_SLICE + N (0 <= N < 4) BASE_SLICE + N > > There appears to be no means for differentiating the "historical > invalid" case from the "valid" case where the first FreeBSD slice has > N == 3, given the constraints under which setroot() is operating. > > (Note that "valid" above is a subset of any FreeBSD slice being anywhere > on the disk. It is this subset that the sysinstall "all disk/no" > option generates.) > > Do you have any suggestions for making this differentiation? Altering > the bootstrap is not practical at this point in time, as it hamstrings > upgraders. > > > User actions in the 3 cases: > > 1. Hope this doesn't happen. It is very unlikely to happen for boot disks. > > 2. Wait for fixes. > > 3. Same as for cases where the whole disk is not used for FreeBSD - edit > > /etc/fstab. > > I would like to find a fix for 2. that doesn't involve going backwards > to the 'bad old days', but this seems difficult just now. > I managed to modify boot2 so I was able to boot with -r1.87 autoconf.c from my dedicated disk (historical invalid). My solution was to leave slice to be WHOLE_DISK_SLICE for a BSD partition starts at sector 0 (this would bloat boot2 by two bytes: a je rel8). > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > -lq To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 02:11:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA28708 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 02:11:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA28698; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 02:10:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA13596; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:00:28 +1100 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:00:28 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199803101000.VAA13596@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, luoqi@watermarkgroup.com, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> > Summary of the 3 cases where the whole disk is used for FreeBSD: >> > >> > Partition table config Slice# passed by bootblocks Slice# to use for "/" >> > ---------------------- --------------------------- ------------------------- >> > Signature != 0xAA55 WHOLE_DISK_SLICE (= 1) COMPATIBILITY_SLICE (= 0) >> > Historical invalid BASE_SLICE + 3 (= 5) COMPATIBILITY_SLICE (= 0) >> > "Valid" (1 big part.) BASE_SLICE + N (0 <= N < 4) BASE_SLICE + N >> ... >I managed to modify boot2 so I was able to boot with -r1.87 autoconf.c >from my dedicated disk (historical invalid). My solution was to leave slice >to be WHOLE_DISK_SLICE for a BSD partition starts at sector 0 (this would >bloat boot2 by two bytes: a je rel8). This test would misdetect case 3 as dedicated (which may be best :-) and would also misdetect cases where there are multiple nonempty partitions with the first BSD one starting at sector 0. For complete compatility with the kernel, the boot blocks would have to do a bcmp() of the historical table with the actual table. This takes 0x40 bytes for the table and about 0x20 bytes for the test. I don't think this can be compressed much. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 04:51:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA18086 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 04:51:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from link.cpt.nsc.iafrica.com (NOCjn3XR0pltE7G/rQyaDcWYcBNvl3Jx@link.cpt.nsc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA18072 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 04:51:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from khetan@link.freebsd.os.org.za) Received: from localhost (khetan@localhost) by link.cpt.nsc.iafrica.com (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta13/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA17406 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:51:19 +0200 (SAT) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:51:19 +0200 (SAT) From: Khetan Gajjar X-Sender: khetan@link.cpt.nsc.iafrica.com Reply-To: Khetan Gajjar To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Kerberos build problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi. I've got a fairly vintage 2.2.5-STABLE machine, and want to build a later version. I'm having problems worlding. It keeps dying with Kerberos. I have cvsup'd the latest sources, and have included src-crypto, src-eBones and src-secure, and there are files in those directories (namely crypto, kerberosIV and secure). I've deleted the crypt, secure and kerberosIV directories, as well as the obj directory thinking maybe I had some stale files in there, but it didn't help. A search for krb_err.h in /usr/src doesn't seem to find it. Any idea(s) on what I'm doing wrong ? Any hints would be appreciated. test -e /usr/src/kerberosIV/lib/libkadm/obj/../../lib/libkadm/kadm_err.et || ln -s /usr/src/kerberosIV/lib/libkadm/../../../crypto/kerberosIV/lib/kadm/kadm_err.et /usr/src/kerberosIV/lib/libkadm/obj/../../lib/libkadm cd /usr/src/kerberosIV/lib/libkadm/obj/../../lib/libkadm; compile_et kadm_err.et cd: can't cd to /usr/src/kerberosIV/lib/libkadm/obj/../../lib/libkadm *** Error code 2 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. --- Khetan Gajjar (!kg1779) khetan@iafrica.com (w); khetan@os.org.za (h) http://www.os.org.za/~khetan | Finger: khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za UUNET Internet Africa Support | FreeBSD enthusiast-www2.za.freebsd.org A computer without Microsoft and Intel is like chocolate cake without tomato sauce and mustard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 06:03:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA25024 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:03:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25004 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:03:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA07155; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:01:08 -0800 (PST) To: Khetan Gajjar cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kerberos build problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 10 Mar 1998 14:51:19 +0200." Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:01:07 -0800 Message-ID: <7151.889538467@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I'm having problems worlding. It keeps dying with Kerberos. > I have cvsup'd the latest sources, and have included > src-crypto, src-eBones and src-secure, and there are files > in those directories (namely crypto, kerberosIV and secure). You just want src-crypto and src-secure - src-eBones is deprecated. > A search for krb_err.h in /usr/src doesn't seem to find it. > Any idea(s) on what I'm doing wrong ? Quick question - I assume you're building with MAKE_KERBEROS4 in your /etc/make.conf file? Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 06:39:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA00262 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:39:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from netcom1.netcom.com (mvh@netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA00213 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:39:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvh@netcom.com) Received: (from mvh@localhost) by netcom1.netcom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA21753; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:25:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvh) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:25:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803101425.GAA21753@netcom1.netcom.com> From: "Michael V. Harding" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: What binaries should I rebuild after building a new kernel? Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I haven't found this anywhere - if I build a new kernel, what, if anything else should I change or recompile thereafter? I know 'top' used to pick up some kernel data - is this stuff all automatic now? Thanks, Mike Harding To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 07:50:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA14422 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:50:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from solaric.UkrCard.COM (ukrcard-gu.gu.net [194.93.170.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA14311 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:49:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@UkrCard.COM) Received: from localhost (alex@localhost) by solaric.UkrCard.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA11618 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:49:11 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from alex@solaric.UkrCard.COM) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:49:09 +0200 (EET) From: Alexander Tatmaniants To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kerberos build problems In-Reply-To: <7151.889538467@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I'm having problems worlding. It keeps dying with Kerberos. > > I have cvsup'd the latest sources, and have included > > src-crypto, src-eBones and src-secure, and there are files > > in those directories (namely crypto, kerberosIV and secure). > > You just want src-crypto and src-secure - src-eBones is deprecated. By the way, what is meaning of cvs-crypto distribution? Does it includes the above distributions? > > > A search for krb_err.h in /usr/src doesn't seem to find it. > > Any idea(s) on what I'm doing wrong ? > > Quick question - I assume you're building with MAKE_KERBEROS4 in your > /etc/make.conf file? > > Jordan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 07:53:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA15279 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:53:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [207.149.232.62] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA15149; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:52:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA07500; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:52:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rgrimes) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199803101552.HAA07500@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 2.2.5-stable is now in BETA test. In-Reply-To: <26292.889495916@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Mar 9, 98 06:11:56 pm" To: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:52:05 -0800 (PST) Cc: matt@zigg.com, chad@dcfinc.com, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, rgrimes@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Chad R. Larson wrote: > > > > > Ummm... I probably won't be the only one who asks, "Should that subject > > > line reference 2.2.6? > > > > It's 2.2.5-STABLE until 3.0 moves into STABLE. 2.2.6-RELEASE, sure! > > 2.2.6-BETA, maybe. But not 2.2.6-STABLE. (: > > You're saying that you don't like the branch renaming to 2.2.5-stable? > > Hmmm. Discuss it with Rod then (cc'd) because it was his idea. :( >From my original scheme of things if this is infact the beginning of beta for the next 2.2 branch release it should now become known as ``2.2.6-BETA''. When you are done with beta and it becomes the release it goes to ``2.2.6-RELEASE'' for the 1 day you build the actual release (I use to just do this in the copy I had checked out to do the release build, never comminting it until I was sure that we had a ``RELEASE''. After the release bits are rolled it should then go to ``2.2.6-STABLE''. In summary order of events are: 2.2.5-STABLE What we had until you declared ``BETA'' 2.2.6-BETA What should be in the tree at this moment, if infact we are in the BETA test phase. 2.2.6-RELEASE What you commit to the tree right before you lay down the release tag with cvs. 2.2.6-STABLE What you commit 2 minutes after the tag operation completes. Got it? Does it make since? -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 08:12:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA18207 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:12:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA18189 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:12:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nash@Jupiter.Mcs.Net) Received: from Jupiter.Mcs.Net (nash@Jupiter.mcs.net [192.160.127.88]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id KAA08677; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:12:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (nash@localhost) by Jupiter.Mcs.Net (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id KAA02731; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:12:21 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:12:21 -0600 (CST) From: Alex Nash Reply-To: Alex Nash To: Mike Tancsa cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ipfw unreach statement help In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980309214144.00c75100@sentex.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Mike Tancsa wrote: > On a FreeBSD 2.2-980304-SNAP machine, I added the following > > ipfw add 02007 unreach 13 log icmp from any to any in recv ed0 icmptype 8 > > which shows up as > 02007 7 588 unreach filter-prohib log icmp from any to any > in recv ed0 icmptype 8 > > > But when I ping the host from the outside, I dont get an ICMP message back > that its blocked by a filter as I do when ping a different non-FreeBSD > hosts (e.g.) ipfw will not send an ICMP packet in response to an ICMP packet. Doing so might result in some nasty endless loops. One could argue that it would make sense to reply with ICMP_UNREACH when the incoming packet was not ICMP_UNREACH, but more thought would be required to ensure there weren't any endless loop scenarios possible from this (I can't think of any off-hand). Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 08:15:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA18809 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:15:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [207.149.232.62] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA18775; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:15:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA07515; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:53:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rgrimes) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199803101553.HAA07515@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 2.2.5-stable is now in BETA test. In-Reply-To: <199803100257.LAA02172@bubble.didi.com> from Satoshi Asami at "Mar 10, 98 11:57:09 am" To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:53:44 -0800 (PST) Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, matt@zigg.com, chad@dcfinc.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, rgrimes@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Please call it 2.2.6-BETA and bump the reldate to "226000". I need to > check if any ports break with that. I conncur, I forgot that the reldate object was added, and Satoshi is right, that needs to move in unison (IE, same commit). -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 09:58:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA09479 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:58:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from granite.sentex.net (granite.sentex.ca [199.212.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09443 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:58:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mdtancsa@sentex.net) Received: (from mdtancsa@localhost) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.6/8.6.9) id MAA29599; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:57:44 -0500 (EST) From: Mike D Tancsa Message-Id: <199803101757.MAA29599@granite.sentex.net> Subject: Re: ipfw unreach statement help In-Reply-To: from Alex Nash at "Mar 10, 98 10:12:21 am" To: nash@Mcs.Net Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:57:43 -0500 (EST) Cc: mike@sentex.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > > On a FreeBSD 2.2-980304-SNAP machine, I added the following > > > > ipfw add 02007 unreach 13 log icmp from any to any in recv ed0 icmptype 8 > > > > which shows up as > > 02007 7 588 unreach filter-prohib log icmp from any to any > > in recv ed0 icmptype 8 > > > > > > But when I ping the host from the outside, I dont get an ICMP message back > > that its blocked by a filter as I do when ping a different non-FreeBSD > > hosts (e.g.) > > ipfw will not send an ICMP packet in response to an ICMP packet. Doing so > might result in some nasty endless loops. One could argue that it would > make sense to reply with ICMP_UNREACH when the incoming packet was not > ICMP_UNREACH, but more thought would be required to ensure there weren't > any endless loop scenarios possible from this (I can't think of any > off-hand). Hi, Just curious, but could you give me an example of such ? Where an ICMP packet of type 8 coming in would result in an endless loop ? I was just looking for a better way to let people on the outside that we prohibit pings comming it.. I get sick answering all the mail asking if our network is down just because we dont allow pings coming in indescriminately... ---Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 10:13:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13915 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:13:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from chain.freebsd.os.org.za (chain.freebsd.os.org.za [196.7.74.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13722; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:12:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za) Received: from localhost (khetan@localhost) by chain.freebsd.os.org.za (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta13/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA06886; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:11:38 +0200 (SAT) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:11:38 +0200 (SAT) From: Khetan Gajjar X-Sender: khetan@chain Reply-To: Khetan Gajjar To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kerberos build problems In-Reply-To: <7151.889538467@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >You just want src-crypto and src-secure - src-eBones is deprecated. I'm aware of that, but thought maybe the cvs tag was still in use. >> A search for krb_err.h in /usr/src doesn't seem to find it. >> Any idea(s) on what I'm doing wrong ? > >Quick question - I assume you're building with MAKE_KERBEROS4 in your >/etc/make.conf file? Yes. --- Khetan Gajjar (!kg1779) khetan@iafrica.com (w); khetan@os.org.za (h) http://www.os.org.za/~khetan | Finger: khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za UUNET Internet Africa Support | FreeBSD enthusiast-www2.za.freebsd.org A computer without Microsoft and Intel is like chocolate cake without tomato sauce and mustard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 10:36:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA19958 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:36:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA19860 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:36:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nash@Jupiter.Mcs.Net) Received: from Jupiter.Mcs.Net (nash@Jupiter.mcs.net [192.160.127.88]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id MAA17633; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:36:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (nash@localhost) by Jupiter.Mcs.Net (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id MAA06473; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:36:03 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:36:03 -0600 (CST) From: Alex Nash To: Mike D Tancsa cc: mike@sentex.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ipfw unreach statement help In-Reply-To: <199803101757.MAA29599@granite.sentex.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Mike D Tancsa wrote: > > ipfw will not send an ICMP packet in response to an ICMP packet. Doing so > > might result in some nasty endless loops. One could argue that it would > > make sense to reply with ICMP_UNREACH when the incoming packet was not > > ICMP_UNREACH, but more thought would be required to ensure there weren't > > any endless loop scenarios possible from this (I can't think of any > > off-hand). > > Hi, > > Just curious, but could you give me an example of such ? Where > an ICMP packet of type 8 coming in would result in an endless loop ? Your example would not generate such a loop. However, let's consider a highly contrived example. Host A and B are on different networks, both run with the rule: unreach host icmp from any to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/yy in via xyz0 Where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/yy represent their respective network address/mask, and xyz0 represents their network connection to each other. Now, if A pings B, or B pings A, or even worse, some other host (C) fakes a ping packet from host A to host B, then the following happens: 1. host B receives ICMP packet (seemingly) from A 2. ipfw finds a rule which says "send a host unreachable message" 3. B sends back host unreachable to A 4. A receives host unreachable message, and finds a similar ICMP rule 5. A sends host unreachable back to B 6. loop to step 1 The proposal I made before, not to respond to an ICMP_UNREACH message with another ICMP_UNREACH message should solve this problem. > I was just looking for a better way > to let people on the outside that we prohibit pings comming it.. I get > sick answering all the mail asking if our network is down just because > we dont allow pings coming in indescriminately... It's interesting to note that none of the umpteen addresses of www.microsoft.com respond to pings either. I could have sworn that about a month or so ago they replied to pings with an ICMP unreachable message (communication prohibited by filter). Perhaps this was done to conserve bandwidth? Or perhaps their filter wasn't very smart and ended up in a loop as described above. Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 11:11:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28970 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:11:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gw.jmrodgers.com ([205.247.224.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28840 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:10:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from meuston@jmrodgers.com) Received: from max.jmrodgers.com (max.jmrodgers.com [205.247.224.209]) by gw.jmrodgers.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA09560; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:08:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from meuston@jmrodgers.com) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:07:35 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD4C2D.DFF29BE0.meuston@jmrodgers.com> From: Max Euston To: "'Alex Nash'" , Mike Tancsa Cc: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: RE: ipfw unreach statement help Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:07:33 -0500 Organization: J.M. Rodgers Co., Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tuesday, March 10, 1998 11:12 AM, Alex Nash [SMTP:nash@Mcs.Net] wrote: > On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Mike Tancsa wrote: [snip] > > But when I ping the host from the outside, I dont get an ICMP message back > > that its blocked by a filter as I do when ping a different non-FreeBSD > > hosts (e.g.) > > ipfw will not send an ICMP packet in response to an ICMP packet. Doing so > might result in some nasty endless loops. One could argue that it would > make sense to reply with ICMP_UNREACH when the incoming packet was not > ICMP_UNREACH, but more thought would be required to ensure there weren't > any endless loop scenarios possible from this (I can't think of any > off-hand). > > Alex > How about only reply when the source packet is an ICMP:8 (echo or "ping")? Isn't this the only packet type that by design expects a response (ICMP:0 echo-reply) (I am not reading from the RFP - so I may be wrong). We would just be responding with a different packet as some other systems already do. I tried to do this a while ago and just never followed up on it. I will have a look at the source and see about a patch *IF* this sounds like a reasonable solution. Any comments? Max ----- Max Euston Sysadm, Programmer, etc... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 12:17:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA14763 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:17:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA14730 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:16:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA01187 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:16:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:16:43 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Odd install quirk, or am I doing something wrong? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Something I've noticed of the recent2.2-SNAPs, and need an answer to. When doing an upgrade using 2.2-980228-SNAP or 2.2-980309-SNAP over a 2.2-9712??-SNAP, (and I've seen this with other versions of the SNAPs), when I go to the screen where I'm supposed to mount the various slices, I'm looking at a blank screen. Now, if I quit, I loose everything (learned this on a development machine and lost 1.6G of stuff, which since I head warnings, was backed up, for the most part), the (dos level) partition is still there, but the slices are gone. If on the other hand, I hit reset, I can reboot the old OS just fine. Is this just me (I've seen it on two machines and three different SNAPs in the last month), or is something wrong? I'd be surprized if something like this went unnoticed for this long, so I suspect it's just me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 13:07:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA26551 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:07:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA26277 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:06:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from trojanhorse.pr.watson.org (trojanhorse.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.10]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id QAA25062 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:06:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:05:55 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: New mount/slice changes for root device Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I updated to the revised versions of mount/kernel code for booting with regards to the compatibility slice behavior. Machines seem to boot just fine, but dmesg reports the following: ... npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface changing root device to wd0s2a IP packet filtering initialized, divert disabled, logging disabled ... Whereas mount reports: thithle:~> mount /dev/wd0s1a on / (local) /dev/wd0s1f on /usr (local) /dev/wd0s1e on /var (local) procfs on /proc (local) mfs:23 on /tmp (asynchronous, local) pr-fledge:/home on /home (nosuid) pr-fledge:/homea on /homea (nosuid) pr-fledge:/homeb on /homeb (nosuid) pr-fledge:/homec on /homec (nosuid) pr-chiron:/exports on /etc/auth/exports (nosuid) thithle:~> Apparently they disagree about what the root partition is. Since the machine works fine, I'm guessing it's an off-by-1 error in the kernel root device reporting, but that is misleading as I was about to change the fstab entry to match whatever the kernel felt was right from dmesg :). This appears to be a bug -- of course, I could be misinterpretting. :) Robert N Watson Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 13:12:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28090 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:12:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28059 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:12:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20209; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:10:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803102110.NAA20209@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Robert Watson cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New mount/slice changes for root device In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:05:55 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:10:34 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > I updated to the revised versions of mount/kernel code for booting with > regards to the compatibility slice behavior. Machines seem to boot just > fine, but dmesg reports the following: > > .... > npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard > npx0: INT 16 interface > changing root device to wd0s2a There is a typo in the code responsible for this message; you can safely ignore it as you surmised. It'll be fixed shortly. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 13:14:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28459 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:14:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28326 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:13:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20275; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:12:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199803102112.NAA20275@austin.polstra.com> To: alex@UkrCard.COM Subject: Re: Kerberos build problems In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:12:46 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In article , Alexander Tatmaniants wrote: > By the way, what is meaning of cvs-crypto distribution? Does it includes > the above distributions? Yes. See section 16.3.2.6 "CVSup File Collections" in the FreeBSD Handbook for details. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 13:21:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00867 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:21:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sophie.bolix.com (sophie.bolix.com [209.107.35.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00650; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:21:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@pencil-box.village.org) Received: from pencil-box.village.org (tape-box [209.107.35.22]) by sophie.bolix.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA15603; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:20:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from pencil-box.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pencil-box.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA00559; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:19:51 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803102119.OAA00559@pencil-box.village.org> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Subject: Re: 2.2.5-stable is now in BETA test. Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG (Jordan K. Hubbard), matt@zigg.com, chad@dcfinc.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, rgrimes@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:52:05 PST." <199803101552.HAA07500@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> References: <199803101552.HAA07500@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:19:49 -0700 From: "M. Warner Losh" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message <199803101552.HAA07500@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> "Rodney W. Grimes" writes: : In summary order of events are: : 2.2.5-STABLE What we had until you declared ``BETA'' : 2.2.6-BETA What should be in the tree at this moment, if : infact we are in the BETA test phase. : 2.2.6-RELEASE What you commit to the tree right before you : lay down the release tag with cvs. : 2.2.6-STABLE What you commit 2 minutes after the tag operation : completes. : : Got it? Does it make since? Makes perfect sense to me. 2.2.6-stable means "on the 2.2 sometime after 2.2.6 release, but before 2.2.7 beta starts". Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 13:25:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02042 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:25:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from techpower.net (hometeam@techpower.net [205.133.231.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01960 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:24:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hometeam@techpower.net) Received: from localhost (hometeam@localhost) by techpower.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA03861; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:23:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from hometeam@techpower.net) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:23:43 -0500 (EST) From: Jt To: Alex Nash cc: Mike D Tancsa , mike@sentex.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ipfw unreach statement help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I noticed ipfw man pages : Discard packets that match this rule, and try to send an ICMP unreachable notice with code code, what is preventing this from happening? hometeam@techpower.net --We cannot all be masters, nor all masters Cannot be truly follow'd-- -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.2 owEBqwBU/4kAlQMFADRCxNWhsddKSTR+6QEBelED/jzeC3btZfqSdIfrNoCgwUJJ iNQ33UQoMyJ2ygkfl72xP5J79yml/F4P73GnNaDVbaMOmOG2NNAi5ElE73wRh54U 17kH+n5XnYeqekV8T2TG2Q6ex3UotXPyZ1vvrCrSxapOz6a4hh0GQeA55rcwLy2W ROHwxfvaVsrX5iVOkRoerBFiC21lc3NhZ2UudHh0AAAAAA== =jCvF -----END PGP MESSAGE----- On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Alex Nash wrote: > On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Mike D Tancsa wrote: > > > > ipfw will not send an ICMP packet in response to an ICMP packet. Doing so > > > might result in some nasty endless loops. One could argue that it would > > > make sense to reply with ICMP_UNREACH when the incoming packet was not > > > ICMP_UNREACH, but more thought would be required to ensure there weren't > > > any endless loop scenarios possible from this (I can't think of any > > > off-hand). > > > > Hi, > > > > Just curious, but could you give me an example of such ? Where > > an ICMP packet of type 8 coming in would result in an endless loop ? > > Your example would not generate such a loop. However, let's consider a > highly contrived example. Host A and B are on different networks, both > run with the rule: > > unreach host icmp from any to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/yy in via xyz0 > > Where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/yy represent their respective network address/mask, > and xyz0 represents their network connection to each other. Now, if A > pings B, or B pings A, or even worse, some other host (C) fakes > a ping packet from host A to host B, then the following happens: > > 1. host B receives ICMP packet (seemingly) from A > 2. ipfw finds a rule which says "send a host unreachable message" > 3. B sends back host unreachable to A > 4. A receives host unreachable message, and finds a similar ICMP rule > 5. A sends host unreachable back to B > 6. loop to step 1 > > The proposal I made before, not to respond to an ICMP_UNREACH message with > another ICMP_UNREACH message should solve this problem. > > > I was just looking for a better way > > to let people on the outside that we prohibit pings comming it.. I get > > sick answering all the mail asking if our network is down just because > > we dont allow pings coming in indescriminately... > > It's interesting to note that none of the umpteen addresses of > www.microsoft.com respond to pings either. I could have sworn that > about a month or so ago they replied to pings with an ICMP unreachable > message (communication prohibited by filter). Perhaps this was done to > conserve bandwidth? Or perhaps their filter wasn't very smart and ended > up in a loop as described above. > > Alex > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 13:35:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04756 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:35:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04727 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:35:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nash@Jupiter.Mcs.Net) Received: from Jupiter.Mcs.Net (nash@Jupiter.mcs.net [192.160.127.88]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id PAA27149; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:35:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (nash@localhost) by Jupiter.Mcs.Net (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id PAA13192; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:35:11 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:35:10 -0600 (CST) From: Alex Nash To: Jt cc: Mike D Tancsa , mike@sentex.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ipfw unreach statement help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Jt wrote: > > I noticed ipfw man pages : > Discard packets that match this rule, and try to > send an ICMP unreachable notice with code code, > > what is preventing this from happening? In /sys/netinet/ip_fw.c, starting at line 590 (for rev 1.51.2.12), there is a test for a set of conditions which must be true to allow an ICMP response to be sent: /* * At this point, we're going to drop the packet. * Send a reject notice if all of the following are true: * * - The packet matched a reject rule * - The packet is not an ICMP packet * - The packet is not a multicast or broadcast packet */ if ((rule->fw_flg & IP_FW_F_COMMAND) == IP_FW_F_REJECT && ip->ip_p != IPPROTO_ICMP && !((*m)->m_flags & (M_BCAST|M_MCAST)) && !IN_MULTICAST(ntohl(ip->ip_dst.s_addr))) { The man page should be updated to mention these conditions. Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 13:43:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA06859 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:43:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from northwest.com (port31.northwest.com [204.119.42.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA06753 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:43:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stevemw@northwest.com) Received: from fuji (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by northwest.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA02605; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:42:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stevemw@fuji) Message-Id: <199803102142.NAA02605@northwest.com> To: Mike Smith cc: Robert Watson , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New mount/slice changes for root device In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:10:34 PST." <199803102110.NAA20209@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:42:08 -0800 From: Stephen Wynne Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message <199803102110.NAA20209@dingo.cdrom.com>, Mike Smith writes: There is a typo in the code responsible for this message; you can safely ignore it as you surmised. It'll be fixed shortly. I had to change my root from /dev/wd0a to /dev/wd0sNa as well. (In my case, N = 2 because of some bizarre things I'm doing with NT.) I have some other related things to observe that may not be specific to this update. o I have an odd configuration with just one 1.9GB /. Don't ask -- NT is involved, and it was what I used to create the partition table. o I seem to have to fsck every time I boot now! Perhaps all the "-c" boots are doing that to me... I, too survived the "broken window" yesterday to cvsup twice, but then when I got it all together, I tried to create a debugging kernel, and I suddenly got hit with the 1023-cylinder limit from /usr/src/sys/i386/boot/biosboot/disk.c: line 223. o I adventurously modified this to the limit which my bios accepts, and then booted again. Is that OK? o I ran into problems with the BOUNCE_BUFFERS option at that point. o I didn't know what to do, so I gave up and gladly compiled and booted from a normal kernel, which is working fine. Suggestions on how to deal with the error I got with my bounce buffers? By the way, I now have my vibra16 (Soundblaster 16 PnP) working very well with Luigi Rizzo's bits. FreeBSD is rocking -- literally! I'll stick a web page up on how I did it if anyone is interested. Thanks, Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 14:16:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13583 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:16:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from techpower.net (hometeam@techpower.net [205.133.231.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13506 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:16:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hometeam@techpower.net) Received: from localhost (hometeam@localhost) by techpower.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA03990; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:15:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from hometeam@techpower.net) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:15:13 -0500 (EST) From: Jt To: Alex Nash cc: Mike D Tancsa , mike@sentex.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ipfw unreach statement help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Someone wrote: It's interesting to note that none of the umpteen addresses of www.microsoft.com respond to pings either. I could have sworn that about a month or so ago they replied to pings with an ICMP unreachable message (communication prohibited by filter). Perhaps this was done to conserve bandwidth? Or perhaps their filter wasn't very smart and ended up in a loop as described above. there still filtering just takes a sec to respond hometeam@techpower.net --We cannot all be masters, nor all masters Cannot be truly follow'd-- -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.2 owEBqwBU/4kAlQMFADRCxNWhsddKSTR+6QEBelED/jzeC3btZfqSdIfrNoCgwUJJ iNQ33UQoMyJ2ygkfl72xP5J79yml/F4P73GnNaDVbaMOmOG2NNAi5ElE73wRh54U 17kH+n5XnYeqekV8T2TG2Q6ex3UotXPyZ1vvrCrSxapOz6a4hh0GQeA55rcwLy2W ROHwxfvaVsrX5iVOkRoerBFiC21lc3NhZ2UudHh0AAAAAA== =jCvF -----END PGP MESSAGE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 14:22:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA15044 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:22:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050ndd.san.rr.com (root@dt050ndd.san.rr.com [204.210.31.221]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14874 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:21:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (dougdougdougdoug@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050ndd.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00594 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:21:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <3505BCF8.950F277D@dal.net> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:21:44 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA-0310 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New mount/slice changes for root device References: <199803102142.NAA02605@northwest.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Was the option of writing out the change for the user considered? Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 14:29:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16592 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:29:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16503 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:28:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20420; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:26:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803102226.OAA20420@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Studded cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New mount/slice changes for root device In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:21:44 PST." <3505BCF8.950F277D@dal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:26:31 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Was the option of writing out the change for the user considered? No. mount(8) doesn't own /etc/fstab, so it has no place altering it. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 14:54:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20906 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:54:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20885 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:54:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA03054; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:53:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:53:35 -0500 (EST) From: jack To: Mike Smith cc: Studded , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New mount/slice changes for root device In-Reply-To: <199803102226.OAA20420@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > Was the option of writing out the change for the user considered? > > No. mount(8) doesn't own /etc/fstab, so it has no place altering it. But it does politely advise you. :) After cvsup'ing, making the world and a kernel, and rebooting it spit out the following: mount: *** update /etc/fstab entry for / to use /dev/sd0s1a *** No problems at all on my `dangerously dedicated' disks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 21:07:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15180 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:07:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA15172 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:06:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steph8@flash.net) Received: from flash.net (auisdn1-68.flash.net [208.194.193.68]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA09212 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:06:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <35060C46.E4F737F6@flash.net> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:00:06 -0500 From: Stephan Nagy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Sound Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I recently built a new kernel, and I enabled luigi's sound code, and here is where the problem arrises. It detects the card and assigns it to pcm1. In the kernel it is device pcm0 ... if i change device pcm0... to device pcm1 ... It detects the sound card and assigns it to pcm2. I'm sure it's something i'm doing wrong but can't really find any documentation on the sound stuff. Would some one point me in the right direction? -stephan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 21:12:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16272 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:12:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA16228 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:12:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steph8@flash.net) Received: from flash.net (auisdn1-68.flash.net [208.194.193.68]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA11194 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:12:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <35060D8A.212CFF73@flash.net> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:05:30 -0500 From: Stephan Nagy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Sound Question References: <35060C46.E4F737F6@flash.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Forgot to mention I'm running 2.2.6-Beta Stephan Nagy wrote: > I recently built a new kernel, and I enabled luigi's sound code, and > here is where the problem arrises. It detects the card and assigns it > to pcm1. In the kernel it is > device pcm0 ... > > if i change device pcm0... to device pcm1 ... > > It detects the sound card and assigns it to pcm2. I'm sure it's > something i'm doing wrong but can't really find any documentation on the > sound stuff. Would some one point me in the right direction? > > -stephan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 22:31:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA25071 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:31:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA25051 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:31:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id GAA10495; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:02:11 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199803110502.GAA10495@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Sound Question To: steph8@flash.net (Stephan Nagy) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:02:11 +0100 (MET) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <35060C46.E4F737F6@flash.net> from "Stephan Nagy" at Mar 10, 98 10:59:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I recently built a new kernel, and I enabled luigi's sound code, and > here is where the problem arrises. It detects the card and assigns it > to pcm1. In the kernel it is > device pcm0 ... yes but in the docs it says that PnP cards are assigned the next available unit numbers, so you get pcm1 ... i don't see where is the problem. Don't you like the name ? :) cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 23:13:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA28607 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:13:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA28596 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:13:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA26240; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:12:17 -0800 (PST) To: Luigi Rizzo cc: steph8@flash.net (Stephan Nagy), stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sound Question In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:02:11 +0100." <199803110502.GAA10495@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:12:17 -0800 Message-ID: <26236.889600337@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > yes but in the docs it says that PnP cards are assigned the next > available unit numbers, so you get pcm1 ... i don't see where is the > problem. Don't you like the name ? :) It does confuse a lot of folks though, especially since they now have to MAKEDEV snd1 rather than the documented snd0 in order to get it to work. Why isn't 0 used as the first unit for some people? On my system it certainly is: pcm0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 on isa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 10 23:21:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA29545 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:21:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA29540; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:21:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA21978; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:19:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803110719.XAA21978@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Luigi Rizzo , steph8@flash.net (Stephan Nagy), stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sound Question In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:12:17 PST." <26236.889600337@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:19:35 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > yes but in the docs it says that PnP cards are assigned the next > > available unit numbers, so you get pcm1 ... i don't see where is the > > problem. Don't you like the name ? :) > > It does confuse a lot of folks though, especially since they now have > to MAKEDEV snd1 rather than the documented snd0 in order to get it to > work. Why isn't 0 used as the first unit for some people? On my > system it certainly is: > > pcm0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 on isa Because this is the way that PCI and PnP overrides of ISA devices currently works. 8( At the time that the PCI/ISA probe runs, it has now way of knowing whether the static configuration values that are possessed by the ISA instance actually correspond to anything. So it can't up and take it away. In your case, you just have an ordinary ISA soundcard, not a PnP one. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 00:27:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA07642 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:27:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA07629; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:27:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id HAA10627; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 07:57:00 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199803110657.HAA10627@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Sound Question To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 07:57:00 +0100 (MET) Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, steph8@flash.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199803110719.XAA21978@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at Mar 10, 98 11:19:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > yes but in the docs it says that PnP cards are assigned the next > > > available unit numbers, so you get pcm1 ... i don't see where is the ... > > It does confuse a lot of folks though, especially since they now have ... > > work. Why isn't 0 used as the first unit for some people? On my ... > At the time that the PCI/ISA probe runs, it has now way of knowing > whether the static configuration values that are possessed by the ISA > instance actually correspond to anything. So it can't up and take it > away. in any case i agree that this is ugly, but I don't have a good solution other than to use some bit in the "flags" field to tell the driver that it is allowed to grab the statically configured unit number. But if this is done, i'd like to see it done consistently also for PCI devices, otherwise it will just add confusion. cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 02:33:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA22191 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 02:33:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flint.cyweb.com (root@cyweb.com [209.83.135.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA22186 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 02:33:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from harry@visiontm.com) Received: from hp.harry.com (dial-22.r03.scbuft.InfoAve.Net [206.74.202.152]) by flint.cyweb.com (8.8.0/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA15165 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 05:00:53 -0600 From: "Harry Patterson" To: "stable freebsd.org" Subject: Problems with CTT8000-S 1.22 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 05:32:49 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd4cd9$09fafda0$e96190cf@hp.harry.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Sorry for the cross post with scsi@freebsd.org but I'm not getting a response (other than 1 other user) and could use some help with this drive after 4 days of fighting with it. I am still having problems getting my Seagate Tapestor (4 gig native) to be accessible after boot. I have been using an Adaptec 1505 but have also used a 1510 + 1520 with the same results. When the system boots it probes with the following result: aic0 at 0x340-0x35f irq 11 on isa aic0 waiting for scsi devices to settle (aic0:2:0): "CONNER CTT8000-S 1.22" type 1 removable SCSI 2 st0(aic0:2:0): Sequential-Access density code 0x45, 512-byte blocks, write-enabled After boot I can't even get the light on the drive to light, let alone rewind or dump. Does anyone have any ideas on getting FreeBSD to work with this drive? I've put it in a Windows95 machine and it works fine as is (no jumper changes). Thanks for any help Harry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 02:44:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA23154 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 02:44:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA23146 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 02:44:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA22644; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 02:42:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803111042.CAA22644@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Harry Patterson" cc: "stable freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Problems with CTT8000-S 1.22 In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Mar 1998 05:32:49 EST." <01bd4cd9$09fafda0$e96190cf@hp.harry.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 02:42:28 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Sorry for the cross post with scsi@freebsd.org but I'm not getting a > response (other than 1 other user) and could use some help with this drive > after 4 days of fighting with it. > > I am still having problems getting my Seagate Tapestor (4 gig native) to be > accessible after boot. I have been using an Adaptec 1505 but have also used > a 1510 + 1520 with the same results. When the system boots it probes with > the following result: The cards you're using have very poor driver support under FreeBSD; I would strongly suggest that you should look at a slightly better card. For tape backups, the cheapest of the Adaptec 2940 range, or a cheap NCR-based card will work well and give you much less trouble than the cards you're currently trying to use. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 02:50:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA23891 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 02:50:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA23886 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 02:50:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA22686; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 02:48:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803111048.CAA22686@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Stephen Wynne cc: Mike Smith , Robert Watson , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New mount/slice changes for root device In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:42:08 PST." <199803102142.NAA02605@northwest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 02:47:59 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > I, too survived the "broken window" yesterday to cvsup twice, but then > when I got it all together, I tried to create a debugging kernel, and > I suddenly got hit with the 1023-cylinder limit from > /usr/src/sys/i386/boot/biosboot/disk.c: line 223. > > o I adventurously modified this to the limit which my bios accepts, > and then booted again. Is that OK? What is the limit your BIOS accepts? Did it work? Perhaps we should soften the failure to a warning? > o I ran into problems with the BOUNCE_BUFFERS option at that point. What problems were they? Do you have an ISA busmaster adapter that requires bouncebuffering? > By the way, I now have my vibra16 (Soundblaster 16 PnP) working very > well with Luigi Rizzo's bits. FreeBSD is rocking -- literally! I'll > stick a web page up on how I did it if anyone is interested. Documentation and descriptions are always welcome! -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 03:27:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA26969 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 03:27:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA26964 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 03:27:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA22879; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 03:25:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803111125.DAA22879@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Gary Schrock cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Mar 1998 14:17:12 EST." <199803091924.OAA01358@eyelab.psy.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 03:25:20 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > This is making me very concerned. We get about 3 hours warning on this, > and are told that for the time being as long as you update mount you > shouldn't have problems. Then later we get corrections to who this change > really affects. How well tested is this change? The change has been tested in its original form on one system for nearly three years now. I tested it in every fashion that I was able to, and attempted to document the characteristics of the change to the best of my ability. > How do I *know* I'm not > going to have problems because something might have been missed? Nothing in life is certain. If you depend on the reliability of your systems, you will install on a test system before deploying. > For that > matter, why did this need to be put in freebsd-STABLE instead of current? > To me it makes more sense to have put it there, because at least there one > expects changes that might break things. It was committed to -current. The change significantly simplifies portions of the installation procedure, and will result in a smoother upgrade path to 3.0. > I also find the attitude about people who have to do remote updates a bit > disconcerting. Some of us have no choice. When your machine exists by the > grace of the people at the other end, and you have to pay obscene rates to > get someone to do work on it if something goes wrong, you have a right to > be concerned about how this will affect things. Not everyone can have > someone local to the machine that's available to go in if something gets > screwed up. In our case, the closest person to the machine is a couple > hours away, and can only get in during regular business hours, a time which > when he's busy at his regular job. I appreciate your concern. However, I suspect that you should consider who is really responsible for verifying that your system(s) will operate in a fashion that is consistent with your preferences. Perhaps it might be wise to test your remote configurations locally before deploying them remotely? It wouldn't be the first time if you ran into a change which had been committed in all innocence on the expectation that it would be harmless but later turned out to be a killer. I can't actually imagine deploying the most-recent release of *anything* in a mission-critical remote site; I'm not sure how I can politely tell you that no matter what guarantees we might try to offer, that's a recipe for heartache. > How long is the backwards compatability going to be in? Can we at least > assume that it won't be removed in the life of 2.2? If I don't have to > worry about the compatability disappearing in 2.2, then I can safely just > leave it in until we have a time when we can get someone to go to the > machine in case something happens. The compatability clause will probably exist in more or less the same form through at least the first release of 3.0. But in the case you're discussing, if you can get a kernel to the far end, what's stopping you updating the /etc/fstab file? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 04:25:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA02565 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 04:25:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from conductor.synapse.net (conductor.synapse.net [199.84.54.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA02557 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 04:25:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from evanc@synapse.net) Received: (qmail 6610 invoked from network); 11 Mar 1998 12:25:52 -0000 Received: from cpu1970.adsl.bellglobal.com (HELO cello) (206.47.37.201) by conductor.synapse.net with SMTP; 11 Mar 1998 12:25:52 -0000 Message-ID: <001001bd4ce8$e18538d0$c9252fce@cello.synapse.net> From: "Evan Champion" To: Subject: make world failed Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 07:26:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I have tried twice now with last night's -stable and make world fails on: ===> cpp ".depend", line 9: Need an operator make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue *** Error code 1 Anyone else seeing this? Evan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 06:23:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15653 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:23:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from northwest.com (root@port26.northwest.com [204.119.42.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA15642 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:23:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stevemw@northwest.com) Received: from fuji (stevemw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by northwest.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA00342 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:22:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stevemw@fuji) Message-Id: <199803111422.GAA00342@northwest.com> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Union Filesystem Crash Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:22:12 -0800 From: Stephen Wynne Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I tried union mounting 2.2.5-RELEASE cdrom #3's CVS-Repository directory under /CVS, touching, and removing a file. I crashed. I tried this again from the console, and crashed again. The error message on my console was something like ufs_lock: recursive lock not expected ... I'm on a 2.2.5-RELEASE system cvsup'ed to 2.2-STABLE yesterday evening. I'm on an PCI, ASUS-based, P133. The CDROM in question appears at bootup as: wdc0: unit 1 (atapi): , removable, intr, dma, iordis I'm just wondering now if my idea to use my CDROM as a basis for future CVS operations even made sense :-) Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 06:35:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA17216 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:35:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA17210 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:35:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA28083; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:34:35 -0800 (PST) To: Stephen Wynne cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Union Filesystem Crash In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:22:12 PST." <199803111422.GAA00342@northwest.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:34:35 -0800 Message-ID: <28079.889626875@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I'm just wondering now if my idea to use my CDROM as a basis for > future CVS operations even made sense :-) Not read/write, but if you set the CVSREADONLYFS environment variable then you can at least use it to fetch bits from. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 07:45:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA27477 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 07:45:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (passer.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.110.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA27462 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 07:45:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cschuber@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.8/8.6.10) id HAA23204; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 07:45:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803111545.HAA23204@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> Received: from localhost(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "passer.osg.gov.bc.ca" via SMTP by localhost, id smtpdaayvAa; Wed Mar 11 07:45:15 1998 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 Reply-to: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-Sender: cschuber To: Stephen Wynne cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Union Filesystem Crash In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:22:12 PST." <199803111422.GAA00342@northwest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 07:44:44 -0800 From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I tried union mounting 2.2.5-RELEASE cdrom #3's CVS-Repository directory > under /CVS, touching, and removing a file. I crashed. I tried this again > from the console, and crashed again. > > The error message on my console was something like > > ufs_lock: recursive lock not expected ... > > I'm on a 2.2.5-RELEASE system cvsup'ed to 2.2-STABLE yesterday > evening. I'm on an PCI, ASUS-based, P133. The CDROM in question > appears at bootup as: > > wdc0: unit 1 (atapi): , removable, intr, dma, iordis > > I'm just wondering now if my idea to use my CDROM as a basis for > future CVS operations even made sense :-) > > Steve On a semi-related issue, I got the same panic when remounting a NULLFS filesystem, e.g. "mount -va". A "mount -vat ufs" circumvented the problem. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 UNIX Support OV/VM: BCSC02(CSCHUBER) ITSD BITNET: CSCHUBER@BCSC02.BITNET Government of BC Internet: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca Cy.Schubert@gems8.gov.bc.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 08:39:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA04931 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:39:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from opus.cts.cwu.edu (skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu [198.104.92.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04885 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:38:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu) Received: from localhost (skynyrd@localhost) by opus.cts.cwu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA21793 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:38:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:38:20 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Timmons To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: panic at getnewbuf+0x21f, new mount behavior Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I still haven't figured out what's going on, but I get reliable panics during CVSup and other high volume disk activity in this environment: -stable as of 0445 pst today, full build/installworld genuine intel p5 NO_F00F_HACK CLK_USE_I586_CALIBRATION aha-3940 de-500 100/mb ether /home with CVS repository on 2 disk ccd which is NFS exported to a -current machine that has it mounted As soon as I start CVSup updating the CVS repository on the ccd, bang, into ddb at getnewbuf+0x21f. I am slowly narrowing down my kernel configuration and looking at the source tree during the time when the problem appeared (between 2/27-1200 and 2/28-000 utc, and the diffs are very innocent looking.) However, as of the mount/slice changes, I have another problem. When the system goes down hard and comes up, fsck's, it refuses to mount / R/W - claiming it is _still_dirty. Ok, I run fsck again, but it still refuses and so I have to reboot again to finally mount /. Somehow the fact that the file system has been cleaned is not noticed and each successive attempt to 'mount /dev/sd0a /' or 'mount /dev/sd0s2a /' fails. I'm alternating running kernels from about 2/27-1200 which don't panic given the same config, so maybe there is some sort of mismatch with the new mount stuff when I come up after a crash booting /kernel.good. Those kernels like /dev/sd0a rather than /dev/sd0s2a for /, so I had to back out the recommended change that mount told me about as I booted the latest kernel. -Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 09:17:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA10232 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:17:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bigbrother ([206.29.49.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA10215 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:17:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vshah@rstcorp.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by bigbrother (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA29318 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:11:25 -0500 Received: from fault.rstcorp.com(206.29.49.18) by bigbrother.rstcorp.com via smap (V2.0) id xma029316; Wed, 11 Mar 98 13:10:26 -0500 Received: (from vshah@localhost) by rstcorp.com (8.8.1/8.8.1) id MAA29952; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:15:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:15:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803111715.MAA29952@rstcorp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Viren R. Shah" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: rpc.lockd on 2.2.5-STABLE X-Mailer: VM 6.40 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "Viren R. Shah" X-Face: )~y+U*K:yzjz{q<5lzpI_SVef'U.])9g[C9`1N@]u3,MHY7f*l7C)[_NjM4y4K8$uIUh|\u (K&&HS6,M!61&GMTk'mqmB/Qg]]X}"?TzsFl]"2v!bl8']dma.:^IY^a[lbOI>U:b<~FyK3q-p{HmZ mn~g.`~BE!5{2D:}Yi+\_KkWe?XaHj9$ko1k8iKLYv5*_2c8"G=?Up[}hn+7RNM(bzBZ_wWk6!Pf&B ?3Tcm7M7B~W%K/I0aX3]*=jP?aM]H6HBPT`oLk+0n^_;N\2\%|Rhy;p}34Q.jEsM\qtnxcm;ag%Nq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk [I sent this to -questions, but got no replies] Does anyone know what the state of rpc.lockd is in 2.2.5-STABLE? The rc.conf line for it says that it is broken, but the man page for it only says that , to paraphrase "it is implemented for the NFS server side, but not for the NFS client side". So, will rpc.lockd work on an NFS server? (2.2.5-STABLE, NFSv2) On a slightly different note: How bad is NFS-mounting mailboxes from a FreeBSD NFS-server? Thanks, Viren -- Viren R. Shah, {viren @ rstcorp . com} http://www.rstcorp.com/~vshah/ ====== FreeBSD: It's free, it's fast, it's fun. ====== "3 syncs represent the trinity - init, the child and the eternal zombie process." -- Jordan Hubbard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 09:50:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA17547 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:50:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from brownale.cisco.com (brownale.cisco.com [171.69.95.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17532 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:50:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from narana@cisco.com) Received: from nkannapp-ss20.cisco.com (nkannapp-ss20.cisco.com [171.69.194.242]) by brownale.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA18656; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:50:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (narana@localhost) by nkannapp-ss20.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.WS.1.2) id JAA09575; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:50:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:50:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803111750.JAA09575@nkannapp-ss20.cisco.com> From: Narana Kannappan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Stephan Nagy Cc: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Sound Question In-Reply-To: <35060C46.E4F737F6@flash.net> References: <35060C46.E4F737F6@flash.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15p7 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk A seperate question: What is "Luigi's code" and how do u enable it ? I have a 64bit PnP soundblaster and I rebuild my kernel the "regular" way, enabling the sound device. Raplayer3.0 didnt work well with it. Does Lugi's code do the trick ? Thanks, Narana. Stephan Nagy writes: > I recently built a new kernel, and I enabled luigi's sound code, and > here is where the problem arrises. It detects the card and assigns it > to pcm1. In the kernel it is > device pcm0 ... > > if i change device pcm0... to device pcm1 ... > > It detects the sound card and assigns it to pcm2. I'm sure it's > something i'm doing wrong but can't really find any documentation on the > sound stuff. Would some one point me in the right direction? > > -stephan > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 09:53:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA18314 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:53:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from eyelab.psy.msu.edu (eyelab.psy.msu.edu [35.8.64.179]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18266 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:53:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@eyelab.psy.msu.edu) Received: from eyelab3.psy.msu.edu (eyelab3.psy.msu.edu [35.8.64.180]) by eyelab.psy.msu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA10778; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:53:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from root@eyelab.psy.msu.edu) Message-Id: <199803111753.MAA10778@eyelab.psy.msu.edu> X-Sender: root@eyelab.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:47:40 -0500 To: Mike Smith From: Gary Schrock Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199803111125.DAA22879@dingo.cdrom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 03:25 AM 3/11/98 -0800, you wrote: >The change has been tested in its original form on one system for >nearly three years now. I tested it in every fashion that I was able >to, and attempted to document the characteristics of the change to the >best of my ability. And from the discussions going on on the lists about other cases this code doesn't handle, that wasn't sufficient. >It was committed to -current. The change significantly simplifies >portions of the installation procedure, and will result in a smoother >upgrade path to 3.0. >From looking at the cvs logs, it looks like it was committed to current less than 24 hours before it was committed to stable. And meanwhile stable was starting to gear up to try to do a release. IMHO that's just asking for trouble. >I appreciate your concern. However, I suspect that you should consider >who is really responsible for verifying that your system(s) will operate >in a fashion that is consistent with your preferences. > >Perhaps it might be wise to test your remote configurations locally >before deploying them remotely? It wouldn't be the first time if you >ran into a change which had been committed in all innocence on the >expectation that it would be harmless but later turned out to be a >killer. I always do test things locally to make sure they're working on machine I can walk over and reboot. However, I don't have access to a system that matches the exact configuration that the remote machine is, so there's always a risk. Anytime I have to reboot the remote machine I sort of cringe and hope it comes back up. Beyond that, there's just a limit to what I can do. >The compatability clause will probably exist in more or less the same >form through at least the first release of 3.0. But in the case you're >discussing, if you can get a kernel to the far end, what's stopping you >updating the /etc/fstab file? That I might do it wrong and end up with a machine that doesn't reboot properly. Thankfully it looks like we're going to need to install more memory in the machine, so I'll probably look to change things then, so if something goes wrong at least someone's there. But quite honestly, I still haven't seen anything that really justifies this change *needing* to be in -stable. So I've expressed my opinion that I think making the change there isn't the smartest idea in the world. Other people are certainly entitled not to agree with me, but last I checked there's nothing saying that I can't say that I don't feel this is in the best interest of people running -stable. Gary Schrock root@eyelab.msu.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 10:00:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA19647 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:00:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from chain.freebsd.os.org.za (JsUBtO7gk3qGVAyJye/xA2OC6spdL9C8@chain.freebsd.os.org.za [196.7.74.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA19591 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:00:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za) Received: from localhost (khetan@localhost) by chain.freebsd.os.org.za (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta13/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA02515 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:00:17 +0200 (SAT) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:00:17 +0200 (SAT) From: Khetan Gajjar X-Sender: khetan@chain Reply-To: Khetan Gajjar To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: mmap problem fixed in Xaccel from XInside ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi. I just upgraded my rather vintage 2.2.5-STABLE box to 2.2.6-BETA, and noticed that Xaccel causes my system to crash after a while. I am aware that some mmap() stuff was discussed here, and mention of Xaccel being a culprit. I was just wondering if the mmap() fixing caused the Xaccel server to break, or is it something else ? I'm busy trying XFree86 3.3, and so far, it hasn't given any problems. A visit to the Xinside site doesn't show any mention of the bug, or a upgraded/patched server release. Symptoms of the lockup are a complete hang whenever the X server is running. No caps, num or scroll lock, and it won't drop to the debugger either. TIA. --- Khetan Gajjar (!kg1779) khetan@iafrica.com (w); khetan@os.org.za (h) http://www.os.org.za/~khetan | Finger: khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za UUNET Internet Africa Support | FreeBSD enthusiast-www2.za.freebsd.org A computer without Microsoft and Intel is like chocolate cake without tomato sauce and mustard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 10:13:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23027 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:13:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA22986 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:12:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id RAA11398; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:43:47 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199803111643.RAA11398@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Sound Question To: narana@cisco.com (Narana Kannappan) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:43:47 +0100 (MET) Cc: steph8@flash.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199803111750.JAA09575@nkannapp-ss20.cisco.com> from "Narana Kannappan" at Mar 11, 98 09:49:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > A seperate question: > > What is "Luigi's code" and how do u enable it ? Look in /sys/i386/conf/LINT for the following options: controller pnp0 device pcm0 ... > I have a 64bit PnP soundblaster and I rebuild my kernel the "regular" way, it's not 64 bit, possibly 64 voices... > enabling the sound device. Raplayer3.0 didnt work well with it. > > Does Lugi's code do the trick ? i am told it works well for most people. cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 10:32:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27142 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:32:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from northwest.com (root@port41.northwest.com [204.119.42.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27034 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:31:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stevemw@northwest.com) Received: from fuji (stevemw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by northwest.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA00511; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:30:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stevemw@fuji) Message-Id: <199803111830.KAA00511@northwest.com> To: Narana Kannappan cc: Stephan Nagy , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, zoonie Subject: Re: Sound Question In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:50:01 PST." <199803111750.JAA09575@nkannapp-ss20.cisco.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:30:48 -0800 From: Stephen Wynne Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message <199803111750.JAA09575@nkannapp-ss20.cisco.com>, Narana Kannappan writes: What is "Luigi's code" and how do u enable it ? I do *not* claim to be an expert at this, but I did get my Vibra16 to work. I had to piece together several concepts, which I've placed online: http://www.place.org/~stevemw/freebsd/ Good luck, and feel free to offer corrections/suggestions. And thanks to Luigi and Sujal (and the others) for all of your hard work! Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 10:34:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA28193 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:34:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from server.amis.net (server.amis.net [193.77.234.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA28045 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:34:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blaz@gold.amis.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by server.amis.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id TAA16553 for stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:34:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gold.amis.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA00444 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:34:25 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:34:24 +0100 (CET) From: Blaz Zupan To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Messed up "w" output Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Did anybody notice that the output of "w" is messed up in the latest 2.2.6-BETA (built an hour ago)? /home/blaz> uname -a FreeBSD gold.amis.net 2.2.6-BETA FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA #0: Wed Mar 11 18:31:09 CET 1998 root@gold.amis.net:/usr/home/blaz/FreeBSD-2.2/src/sys/compile/GOLD i386 /home/blaz> w 7:29pm up 26 mins, 2 users, load averages: 0.56, 0.74, 0.78 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT root v0 - 7:28pm - -tcsh (tcsh) blaz p0 :0.0 7:26pm - w I guess this was caused by Jordan's merges and he probably accidentally merged the "USER TTY FROM LOGIN IDLE WHAT" line in /usr/src/usr.bin/w/w.c from -CURRENT. This line is a bit longer in -CURRENT because of the 16 char username support. Also, I had to do a MAKEDEV after upgrading to 2.2.6-BETA from a two-week-old 2.2.5-STABLE because the keyboard was dead in X11 othwerise. I think this should be mentioned in the documentation somewhere (that a MAKEDEV is needed after an upgrade). Blaz Zupan, blaz@medinet.si, http://www.amis.net/staff/blaz Medinet d.o.o., Linhartova 21, 2000 Maribor, Slovenia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 11:00:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07200 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:00:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vs1.virtualisys.com ([207.137.172.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07192 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:00:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntrkcasa (pool40.hiper.net [207.137.172.40]) by vs1.virtualisys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA23121 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:10:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980311101007.0334f570@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:10:07 -0800 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: What is 2.2.6-BETA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I'm new to this list so this had been posted to questions...but didn't get an answer...can someone tell me where to read up on this??? Hello All, I just resynced my source tree and made world and recompiled my kernel and lo and behold the version changed: FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA I don't see anything in newsflash or announcements about this version...is this intentional??? Thanx, Randy Katz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 11:23:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA12495 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:23:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050ndd.san.rr.com (root@dt050ndd.san.rr.com [204.210.31.221]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA12461 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:23:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (dougdougdougdoug@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050ndd.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02515; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:23:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <3506E4B8.5FC5473D@dal.net> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:23:36 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA-0310 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Evan Champion CC: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed References: <001001bd4ce8$e18538d0$c9252fce@cello.synapse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Evan Champion wrote: > > I have tried twice now with last night's -stable and make world fails on: > > ===> cpp > ".depend", line 9: Need an operator > make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue > *** Error code 1 > > Anyone else seeing this? No, I've built this world and it works just fine. This looks like the age-old stale dependencies problem. Blow away /usr/obj/* at least, and preferably /usr/src/* too, d/l new sources and do make -DNOCLEAN world. You can insert whatever other flags you usually use as appropriate. Good luck, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 11:38:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17842 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:38:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17687 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:38:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steph8@flash.net) Received: from flash.net (auisdn1-54.flash.net [208.194.193.54]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00706 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:38:25 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3506D892.66B8F403@flash.net> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:31:46 -0500 From: Stephan Nagy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Sound Question References: <35060C46.E4F737F6@flash.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Live and Learn, I suppose, i should of thought to just makedev snd1. After thinking about it i guess it was a silly question, thanks though it seems to be working now. -stephan Stephan Nagy wrote: > I recently built a new kernel, and I enabled luigi's sound code, and > here is where the problem arrises. It detects the card and assigns it > to pcm1. In the kernel it is > device pcm0 ... > > if i change device pcm0... to device pcm1 ... > > It detects the sound card and assigns it to pcm2. I'm sure it's > something i'm doing wrong but can't really find any documentation on the > sound stuff. Would some one point me in the right direction? > > -stephan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 11:56:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24036 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:56:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23777 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:55:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24170; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:52:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803111952.LAA24170@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Khetan Gajjar cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mmap problem fixed in Xaccel from XInside ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 11 Mar 1998 20:00:17 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:52:38 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > I just upgraded my rather vintage 2.2.5-STABLE box to 2.2.6-BETA, > and noticed that Xaccel causes my system to crash after a while. > I am aware that some mmap() stuff was discussed here, and mention > of Xaccel being a culprit. I was just wondering if the mmap() > fixing caused the Xaccel server to break, or is it something > else ? No, the mmap() issue hasn't been dealt with simply because Xaccel depends on the breakage in order to function. > Symptoms of the lockup are a complete hang whenever the > X server is running. No caps, num or scroll lock, and it won't > drop to the debugger either. This is consistent with an X server hang. Does the machine respond to being pinged? It's difficult to tell the difference between the X server dying and the rest of the machine going over. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 12:03:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA26732 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:03:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050ndd.san.rr.com (root@dt050ndd.san.rr.com [204.210.31.221]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26528 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:03:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (dougdougdougdoug@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050ndd.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02890; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:02:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <3506EDEB.EC837AF6@dal.net> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:02:51 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA-0310 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Blaz Zupan CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Messed up "w" output References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Blaz Zupan wrote: > > Did anybody notice that the output of "w" is messed up in the latest > 2.2.6-BETA (built an hour ago)? > > /home/blaz> uname -a > FreeBSD gold.amis.net 2.2.6-BETA FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA #0: Wed Mar 11 > 18:31:09 CET 1998 > root@gold.amis.net:/usr/home/blaz/FreeBSD-2.2/src/sys/compile/GOLD i386 > /home/blaz> w > 7:29pm up 26 mins, 2 users, load averages: 0.56, 0.74, 0.78 > USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT > root v0 - 7:28pm - -tcsh (tcsh) > blaz p0 :0.0 7:26pm - w > > I guess this was caused by Jordan's merges and he probably accidentally > merged the "USER TTY FROM LOGIN IDLE WHAT" line in /usr/src/usr.bin/w/w.c > from -CURRENT. This line is a bit longer in -CURRENT because of > the 16 char username support. Heh, I didn't notice this because I do have 16 char usernames on my -Stable system. :) Actually I would really like to see more flexibility in spacing for the various displays that involve usernames. At compile time these apps should take the spacing from /usr/src/include/utmp.h (or maybe /sys/sys/param.h, I'm still not sure how those two work together) instead of making any assumptions about the size of usernames, even in -Current. > Also, I had to do a MAKEDEV after upgrading to 2.2.6-BETA from a > two-week-old 2.2.5-STABLE because the keyboard was dead in X11 othwerise. > I think this should be mentioned in the documentation somewhere (that a > MAKEDEV is needed after an upgrade). It is. Take a look at the "Upgrading freebsd from source" tutorial, http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html. Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 13:12:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11227 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:12:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mynet.ml.org (pc-19628.on.rogers.wave.ca [24.112.74.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11167 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:12:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ihuang@mynet.ml.org) Received: from localhost (ihuang@localhost) by mynet.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA17837; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:11:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:11:19 -0500 (EST) From: Ian Huang To: Narana Kannappan cc: Stephan Nagy , "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Sound Question In-Reply-To: <199803111750.JAA09575@nkannapp-ss20.cisco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I believe you meant AWE64. It's a 16bit soundcard with 32+32 channel midi sythesizer. On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Narana Kannappan wrote: > A seperate question: > > What is "Luigi's code" and how do u enable it ? > > I have a 64bit PnP soundblaster and I rebuild my kernel the "regular" way, > enabling the sound device. Raplayer3.0 didnt work well with it. > > Does Lugi's code do the trick ? > > Thanks, > Narana. > > > > Stephan Nagy writes: > > I recently built a new kernel, and I enabled luigi's sound code, and > > here is where the problem arrises. It detects the card and assigns it > > to pcm1. In the kernel it is > > device pcm0 ... > > > > if i change device pcm0... to device pcm1 ... > > > > It detects the sound card and assigns it to pcm2. I'm sure it's > > something i'm doing wrong but can't really find any documentation on the > > sound stuff. Would some one point me in the right direction? > > > > -stephan > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 14:03:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21912 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:03:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from chain.freebsd.os.org.za (LPqPJ4ZjNV9c5Ztx8kixv9apvnlps4RE@chain.freebsd.os.org.za [196.7.74.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21827 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:02:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za) Received: from localhost (khetan@localhost) by chain.freebsd.os.org.za (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta13/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA07049; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 00:02:18 +0200 (SAT) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 00:02:18 +0200 (SAT) From: Khetan Gajjar X-Sender: khetan@chain Reply-To: Khetan Gajjar To: Mike Smith cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mmap problem fixed in Xaccel from XInside ? In-Reply-To: <199803111952.LAA24170@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Mike Smith wrote: >No, the mmap() issue hasn't been dealt with simply because Xaccel >depends on the breakage in order to function. Oh... ok. >> Symptoms of the lockup are a complete hang whenever the >> X server is running. No caps, num or scroll lock, and it won't >> drop to the debugger either. > >This is consistent with an X server hang. Does the machine respond to >being pinged? It's difficult to tell the difference between the X >server dying and the rest of the machine going over. No, it's completely dead. Sorry to disturb the list. Switching over to XFree has resulted in no problems. I'll live with XFree until either 2.2.6-RELEASE, or until other people complain. But, the only thing that caused the change was a update of 2.2.5-STABLE (around Oct 97) to 2.2.6-BETA (yesterday). If no-one else complains, then it's something stupid on my system. --- Khetan Gajjar (!kg1779) khetan@iafrica.com (w); khetan@os.org.za (h) http://www.os.org.za/~khetan | Finger: khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za UUNET Internet Africa Support | FreeBSD enthusiast-www2.za.freebsd.org A computer without Microsoft and Intel is like chocolate cake without tomato sauce and mustard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 14:11:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24298 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:11:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from brownale.cisco.com (brownale.cisco.com [171.69.95.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24252 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:11:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from narana@cisco.com) Received: from nkannapp-ss20.cisco.com (nkannapp-ss20.cisco.com [171.69.194.242]) by brownale.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA00119; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:11:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (narana@localhost) by nkannapp-ss20.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.WS.1.2) id OAA09631; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:10:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:10:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803112210.OAA09631@nkannapp-ss20.cisco.com> From: Narana Kannappan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Ian Huang Cc: Stephan Nagy , "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Sound Question In-Reply-To: References: <199803111750.JAA09575@nkannapp-ss20.cisco.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15p7 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Ian Huang writes: > I believe you meant AWE64. It's a 16bit soundcard with 32+32 channel midi > sythesizer. > Yes. I hope that is supported..... -Narana. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 14:18:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25576 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:18:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mynet.ml.org (pc-19628.on.rogers.wave.ca [24.112.74.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25557 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:18:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ihuang@mynet.ml.org) Received: from localhost (ihuang@localhost) by mynet.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA18033; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:17:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:17:28 -0500 (EST) From: Ian Huang To: Narana Kannappan cc: Stephan Nagy , "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Sound Question In-Reply-To: <199803112210.OAA09631@nkannapp-ss20.cisco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Narana Kannappan wrote: > Ian Huang writes: > > I believe you meant AWE64. It's a 16bit soundcard with 32+32 channel midi > > sythesizer. > > > > Yes. I hope that is supported..... It's supported in the STABLE branch as well as freebsd-current. You just need to compile in the pnp0 and awe0 controllers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 14:26:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26906 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:26:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26829 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:25:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA20289; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:25:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA05249; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:25:11 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:25:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199803112225.PAA05249@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Khetan Gajjar Cc: Mike Smith , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mmap problem fixed in Xaccel from XInside ? In-Reply-To: References: <199803111952.LAA24170@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk [ XIG dies ] > But, the only thing that caused the change was a update > of 2.2.5-STABLE (around Oct 97) to 2.2.6-BETA (yesterday). > > If no-one else complains, then it's something stupid on > my system. I'm running XIG's on my box, and aside from known bugs (poor refresh rate, Visual's not working, etc...) it's working fine. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 15:12:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04752 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:12:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050ndd.san.rr.com (root@dt050ndd.san.rr.com [204.210.31.221]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04441 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:11:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (dougdougdougdoug@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050ndd.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04621; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:10:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <350719F9.A9B88814@dal.net> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:10:49 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA-0310 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Khetan Gajjar CC: Mike Smith , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mmap problem fixed in Xaccel from XInside ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Khetan Gajjar wrote: > But, the only thing that caused the change was a update > of 2.2.5-STABLE (around Oct 97) to 2.2.6-BETA (yesterday). > > If no-one else complains, then it's something stupid on > my system. No, the mmap fix was included between your last cvsup and yesterday. That's why your Xaccel server doesn't work. Word is that the Xaccel people will be putting out a fix, you should probably contact them. Good luck, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 15:25:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07256 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:25:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from chain.freebsd.os.org.za (x3V0E1U7z/xubxGH2Wm3zsKwlkHw7rJu@chain.freebsd.os.org.za [196.7.74.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07165 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:24:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za) Received: from localhost (khetan@localhost) by chain.freebsd.os.org.za (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta13/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA00724 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 01:24:51 +0200 (SAT) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 01:24:51 +0200 (SAT) From: Khetan Gajjar X-Sender: khetan@chain Reply-To: Khetan Gajjar To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mmap problem fixed in Xaccel from XInside ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Khetan Gajjar wrote: >No, it's completely dead. Sorry to disturb the list. Switching >over to XFree has resulted in no problems. I'll live with XFree >until either 2.2.6-RELEASE, or until other people complain. Hmmm. An update. I get Mar 12 00:00:59 chain /kernel: sd1(aha0:4:0): timed out Mar 12 00:00:59 chain /kernel: sd0(aha0:2:0): timed out Mar 12 00:00:59 chain /kernel: aha0: Invalid bus phase/sequence Mar 12 00:00:59 chain /kernel: aha0: Invalid bus phase/sequence before the whole thing goes bang. >From some surfing around on the scsi lists, it looks like this means that power or the actual cable is broken. I'll have to look into it. >If no-one else complains, then it's something stupid on >my system. That's what it was :-( --- Khetan Gajjar (!kg1779) khetan@iafrica.com (w); khetan@os.org.za (h) http://www.os.org.za/~khetan | Finger: khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za UUNET Internet Africa Support | FreeBSD enthusiast-www2.za.freebsd.org A computer without Microsoft and Intel is like chocolate cake without tomato sauce and mustard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 16:41:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19293 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:41:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.atipa.com (altrox.atipa.com [208.128.22.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA19286 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:41:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail 18134 invoked by uid 1017); 12 Mar 1998 00:39:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:39:18 -0700 (MST) From: Atipa To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: When will busmastering be committed? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I think this should be considered "safe" by now. Anyone know when it will be commited to 2.2.X? Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 16:48:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20549 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:48:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20507; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:48:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02362; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:47:35 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199803120047.VAA02362@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: Sound Question In-Reply-To: <199803110657.HAA10627@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from Luigi Rizzo at "Mar 11, 98 07:57:00 am" To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:47:35 -0300 (EST) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, steph8@flash.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk #define quoting(Luigi Rizzo) // > At the time that the PCI/ISA probe runs, it has now way of knowing // > whether the static configuration values that are possessed by the ISA // > instance actually correspond to anything. So it can't up and take it // > away. // // in any case i agree that this is ugly, but I don't have a good solution // other than to use some bit in the "flags" field to tell the driver that // it is allowed to grab the statically configured unit number. // // But if this is done, i'd like to see it done consistently also for PCI // devices, otherwise it will just add confusion. I may be wrong, but should not the static devices be probed BEFORE the PCI and Plug&Play ones ? At least, PnP and PCI devices could be changed if there is a conflict. Also, if a static device has not been used, PCI or PnP could use it's reference number. Is there something wrong with this statement ? Other option for PnP (maybe PCI, but I have no knowledge about) would be to transform it in a real bus, and use "pcm0 at pnp?", instead of "pcm0 at isa?". In the device, check to which bus it's attached, and chose the right probes. After this, is just a matter of changing other devices: "sio1 at pnp?", "ed0 at pnp?", etc. JMHO, Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 17:19:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25504 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:19:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA25477 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:19:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA25263; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:16:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803120116.RAA25263@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Atipa cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: When will busmastering be committed? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:39:18 MST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:16:52 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > I think this should be considered "safe" by now. Anyone know when it will > be commited to 2.2.X? Uh, busmastering *what*? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 17:51:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02235 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:51:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02228 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:51:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA01379; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:49:58 -0800 (PST) To: Studded cc: Blaz Zupan , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Messed up "w" output In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:02:51 PST." <3506EDEB.EC837AF6@dal.net> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:49:58 -0800 Message-ID: <1375.889667398@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Did anybody notice that the output of "w" is messed up in the latest > 2.2.6-BETA (built an hour ago)? Woops, I see it now: 5:48PM up 1 day, 9:26, 11 users, load averages: 0.07, 0.03, 0.01 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT root v0 - Tue08AM 33:18 -csh (csh) jkh p0 :0.0 Tue05PM 24:39 ssh -x make.ican.net jkh p1 :0.0 Tue08AM 32:16 ssh -x freefall.freebsd.org jkh p2 :0.0 Tue08AM 18:23 /usr/local/bin/bash ... Heh - I must have looked at this about 20 times and honestly didn't see a problem with it at all until you made me look again, and now I see that yes indeed, the TTY field is too far out. :) I'll make it conditional on the username length since that's how it should have been done in both branches in the first place. Thanks. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 18:04:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA03672 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:04:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA03614 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:03:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01552; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:02:31 -0800 (PST) To: Blaz Zupan cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Messed up "w" output In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:34:24 +0100." Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:02:31 -0800 Message-ID: <1548.889668151@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Did anybody notice that the output of "w" is messed up in the latest > 2.2.6-BETA (built an hour ago)? Yes, everybody noticed it but me it seems. :) Fixed. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 18:15:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05967 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:15:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05883; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:15:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from [208.2.87.4] (user4.dataplex.net [208.2.87.4]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25351; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:15:22 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:15:17 -0600 To: ctm-announce@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Last Chance - Proposal to discontinue CTM distribution of FreeBSD-2.1 Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Sorry to hit so many lists, but I think that it is important to make sure that everyone has a chance to complain before it is too late. As far as I can see, the 2.1 branch is either dead, or so near it that I do not think that the weekly delta generation for this branch is worth the effort. If there are any additional changes to the branch, they will still be available by CVSup or can be extracted from your local copy of the CVS tree which is contained on the latest CD's. Since I feel that most users who have not already upgraded to 2.2 are still running 2.1 because, for their purpose, "it ain't broke", I doubt that they are are really interested in updating 2.1. Therefore, this is your final warning. Unless I hear strong opposition, the ctm-src-2_1 list will be terminated and the diskspace on the various mirrors will be released next week. Therefore, if you object, speak up NOW. Richard Wackerbarth CTM-Meister To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 19:49:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA19009 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:49:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.atipa.com (altrox.atipa.com [208.128.22.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA18961 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:48:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail 18521 invoked by uid 1017); 12 Mar 1998 03:46:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:46:34 -0700 (MST) From: Atipa To: Mike Smith cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: When will busmastering be committed? In-Reply-To: <199803120116.RAA25263@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk More precisely, IDE DMA busmastering for certain chipsets (PIIX-based, et al). I believe the code was by a Mr Hood. (John Hood?) Kevin On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > I think this should be considered "safe" by now. Anyone know when it will > > be commited to 2.2.X? > > Uh, busmastering *what*? > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 19:57:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA20287 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:57:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA20129; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:55:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA25717; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:53:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803120353.TAA25717@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Atipa cc: cgull@smoke.marlboro.vt.us, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: When will busmastering be committed? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:46:34 MST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:53:09 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > More precisely, IDE DMA busmastering for certain chipsets (PIIX-based, et > al). I believe the code was by a Mr Hood. (John Hood?) Ah. I don't think John is a regular -stable reader, nor are Soren nor John Dyson, the comitters most serious about the code. Last I recall, there were some concerns about a number of issues still outstanding. I've copied John and Soren on this; let's see what they have to say on the matter. > Kevin > > On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > > > I think this should be considered "safe" by now. Anyone know when it will > > > be commited to 2.2.X? > > > > Uh, busmastering *what*? > > > > -- > > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 21:56:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA11310 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:56:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeep.ti.com (gatekeep.ti.com [192.94.94.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA11248 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:55:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kf7nn@ti.com) Received: from tilde.csc.ti.com ([157.170.1.149]) by gatekeep.ti.com (8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA08087 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:55:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from spdc.ti.com (ox.spdc.ti.com [192.226.26.51]) by tilde.csc.ti.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04210 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:55:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from epcot.spdc.ti.com (epcot [192.226.26.53]) by spdc.ti.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00761 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:55:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from vagnernt (dhcp22-158.spdc.ti.com [192.226.22.158]) by epcot.spdc.ti.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA23053 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:55:24 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000301bd4d7b$551445b0$9e16e2c0@vagnernt.spdc.ti.com> From: "kf7nn" To: Subject: sound blaster awe 32 PNP kernel configs Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:54:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Can someone copy me the necessary kernel entries to make a sound blaster 32 awe work under 2.2.5-stable Please? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 22:09:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12666 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:09:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA12658; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:09:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id FAA12539; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 05:40:18 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199803120440.FAA12539@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Sound Question To: jonny@coppe.ufrj.br (Joao Carlos Mendes Luis) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 05:40:18 +0100 (MET) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, steph8@flash.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199803120047.VAA02362@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> from "Joao Carlos Mendes Luis" at Mar 11, 98 09:47:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I may be wrong, but should not the static devices be probed BEFORE > the PCI and Plug&Play ones ? At least, PnP and PCI devices could maybe... although PCI resource assignement is already done by the BIOS (and there is no static PCI device I believe) and PnP is "manually" configured at the moment so FreeBSD does not do any relocation. > be changed if there is a conflict. Also, if a static device has not > been used, PCI or PnP could use it's reference number. Is there > something wrong with this statement ? > > Other option for PnP (maybe PCI, but I have no knowledge about) would > be to transform it in a real bus, and use "pcm0 at pnp?", instead of code please ? :) cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 11 23:35:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21147 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:35:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA21077; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:34:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA21265; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:33:45 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199803120733.IAA21265@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: When will busmastering be committed? In-Reply-To: <199803120353.TAA25717@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Mar 11, 98 07:53:09 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:33:45 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd@atipa.com, cgull@smoke.marlboro.vt.us, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In reply to Mike Smith who wrote: > > > > More precisely, IDE DMA busmastering for certain chipsets (PIIX-based, et > > al). I believe the code was by a Mr Hood. (John Hood?) > > Ah. I don't think John is a regular -stable reader, nor are Soren nor > John Dyson, the comitters most serious about the code. > > Last I recall, there were some concerns about a number of issues still > outstanding. I've copied John and Soren on this; let's see what they > have to say on the matter. Hmm, there are no immediate plans to get the DMA stuff backported to 2.2.X, there are differences between -current and stable that makes this a nontrivial task. Besides I've just found out that we have some nasty problems in there that we DONT want to get into -stable. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 12 03:02:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA11228 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:02:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from solaric.UkrCard.COM (ukrcard-gu.gu.net [194.93.170.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA11216 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:02:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@UkrCard.COM) Received: from localhost (alex@localhost) by solaric.UkrCard.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA00570; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:02:10 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from alex@solaric.UkrCard.COM) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:02:09 +0200 (EET) From: Alexander Tatmaniants To: "Randy A. Katz" cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What is 2.2.6-BETA In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980311101007.0334f570@ccsales.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Randy A. Katz wrote: > I'm new to this list so this had been posted to questions...but didn't get > an answer...can someone tell me where to read up on this??? > > > Hello All, > > I just resynced my source tree and made world and recompiled my kernel and > lo and behold the version changed: > > FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA > > I don't see anything in newsflash or announcements about this version...is > this intentional??? Nothing to worry about, this is a latest & gratest -stable with a lot of new features (dpt support, Luigi's sound code, etc.) merged in from -current. > > Thanx, > Randy Katz > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 12 05:41:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA25617 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 05:41:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA25610 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 05:41:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from [208.2.87.4] (user4.dataplex.net [208.2.87.4]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA00382 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:41:34 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:41:11 -0600 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: New kernel slice code still has problems Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I have been running a late February 2.2.5. Last night, I rebuilt the world to try the new kernel changes. When I attempted to reboot a new kernel, everything went fine until ... It gave the message that it was changing the root to sd0s5a. It then failed, saying that it cannot mount root. The only way up is to reboot with the old kernel. I consider this "broken-ness" a serious problem for the "stable" branch. At a minimum, I need to know what I need to do to configure a new kernel that will boot. 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 65536 0 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 31) b: 282608 65536 swap # (Cyl. 32 - 169*) c: 4178874 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 2040*) e: 61440 348144 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 169*- 199) f: 3769290 409584 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 199*- 2040*) shrimp: {6} df Filesystem 512-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/sd0a 63550 56212 2254 96% / /dev/sd3e 1013214 235922 696236 25% /usr procfs 8 8 0 100% /proc /dev/sd1a 4053342 880786 2848290 24% /pub/FreeBSD /dev/sd3f 1519838 235186 1163066 17% /home /dev/sd3g 1013214 82 932076 0% /tmp /dev/sd0f 3656040 876530 2487028 26% /mnt shrimp: {7} cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf You have new mail. shrimp: {8} grep sd DATAPLEX config kernel root on sd0 # type. For example, if you wire a disk as "sd3" then the first # non-wired disk will be assigned sd4. disk sd0 at scbus0 target 0 disk sd1 at scbus0 target 1 disk sd2 at scbus0 target 2 disk sd3 at scbus0 target 4 device sd4 #SCSI disks Richard Wackerbarth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 12 07:18:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA03869 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:18:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA03859 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:18:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA04986; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:16:51 -0800 (PST) To: Richard Wackerbarth cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New kernel slice code still has problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:41:11 CST." Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:16:51 -0800 Message-ID: <4982.889715811@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > At a minimum, I need to know what I need to do to configure a new > kernel that will boot. Not kernel. Fstab. Which slices do you have FreeBSD on? If it's on sd0/slice 2, sd1/slice 1 and sd3/slice 1, for example, then your fs map should look more like this: /dev/sd0s2a 63550 56212 2254 96% / /dev/sd3s1e 1013214 235922 696236 25% /usr /dev/sd1s1a 4053342 880786 2848290 24% /pub/FreeBSD /dev/sd3s1f 1519838 235186 1163066 17% /home /dev/sd3s1g 1013214 82 932076 0% /tmp /dev/sd0s2f 3656040 876530 2487028 26% /mnt Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 12 07:20:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA04260 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:20:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA04231 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:20:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA27504; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:17:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803121517.HAA27504@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Richard Wackerbarth cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New kernel slice code still has problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:41:11 CST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:17:25 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I have been running a late February 2.2.5. Last night, I > rebuilt the world to try the new kernel changes. ... > It then failed, saying that it cannot mount root. ... > At a minimum, I need to know what I need to do to configure a new > kernel that will boot. Read messages posted to the mailing lists with "HEADS UP" in the subject. Specifically, you need to update mount(8). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 12 10:31:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29647 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:31:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iquest3.iquest.net (iquest3.iquest.net [209.43.20.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA29619 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:30:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dyson@iquest.net) From: dyson@iquest.net Received: (qmail 24715 invoked from network); 12 Mar 1998 18:30:52 -0000 Received: from iquest7.iquest.net (206.53.230.110) by iquest3.iquest.net with SMTP; 12 Mar 1998 18:30:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 10207 invoked by uid 4420); 12 Mar 1998 18:30:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19980312183051.10206.qmail@iquest7.iquest.net> Subject: Re: When will busmastering be committed? To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:30:50 -0500 (EST) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, freebsd@atipa.com, cgull@smoke.marlboro.vt.us, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199803120733.IAA21265@sos.freebsd.dk> from "Søren Schmidt" at Mar 12, 98 08:33:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > In reply to Mike Smith who wrote: > > > > > > More precisely, IDE DMA busmastering for certain chipsets (PIIX-based, et > > > al). I believe the code was by a Mr Hood. (John Hood?) > > > > Ah. I don't think John is a regular -stable reader, nor are Soren nor > > John Dyson, the comitters most serious about the code. > > > > Last I recall, there were some concerns about a number of issues still > > outstanding. I've copied John and Soren on this; let's see what they > > have to say on the matter. > > Hmm, there are no immediate plans to get the DMA stuff backported to > 2.2.X, there are differences between -current and stable that makes > this a nontrivial task. Besides I've just found out that we have some > nasty problems in there that we DONT want to get into -stable. > I have to agree. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 12 11:36:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09897 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:36:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09610 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:35:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA26301 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:35:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:35:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Odd install quirk, or am I doing something wrong? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Eric J. Schwertfeger wrote: > Something I've noticed of the recent2.2-SNAPs, and need an answer to. > > When doing an upgrade using 2.2-980228-SNAP or 2.2-980309-SNAP over a > 2.2-9712??-SNAP, (and I've seen this with other versions of the SNAPs), > when I go to the screen where I'm supposed to mount the various slices, > I'm looking at a blank screen. Now, if I quit, I loose everything > (learned this on a development machine and lost 1.6G of stuff, which > since I heed warnings, was backed up, for the most part), the > (dos level) partition is still there, but the slices are gone. > > If on the other hand, I hit reset, I can reboot the old OS just fine. > > Is this just me (I've seen it on two machines and three different SNAPs in > the last month), or is something wrong? I'd be surprized if something like > this went unnoticed for this long, so I suspect it's just me. I just found out that I had become unsubscribed from this list at some point. Anyway, to follow up on myself, the problem still exists in the 980311-BETA. I have found the following out though. 1) /stand/sysinstall after installation works fine, it's only the sysinstall off the boot floppy that exhibits this problem. 2) It's not a change in format. I can do a new install, then using the same boot disk that I installed from, attempt to do an upgrade, and I won't see anything from the Label Editor. Here's some more information on the system I have set aside just to diagnose this problem (Unfortunately I don't have time at work to try to debug this myself, certainly not before 2.2.6 is due): This machine was freshly installed using 2.2-980309-SNAP, then upgraded to 2.2-980311-BETA, though I had to use a 2.2.5 Boot disk to do the upgrade. The one thing I notice is that the bios and dmesg both say that the disk is 1120 cylinders, 16 heads, 59 sectors, but disklabel halves the number of cylinders and doubles the heads. I also see this problem on a machine with an AHA2940UW, which is not in the bios, and had the geometry 8668/64/32. (I also just noticed that it is still running the SNAP kenel, not the BETA one, even though the timestamp on the /kernel file is the time of the BETA install). Label Editor displays (when run from /stand/sysinstall): FreeBSD Disklabel Editor Disk: wd0 Partition name: wd0s1 Free: 0 blocks (0MB) Part Mount Size Newfs Part Mount Size Newfs ---- ----- ---- ----- ---- ----- ---- ----- wd0s1a 32MB * wd0s1b swap 33MB SWAP wd0s1e 30MB * wd0s1f 420MB * # disklabel /dev/rwd0c # /dev/rwd0c: type: ESDI disk: wd0s1 label: flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 59 tracks/cylinder: 32 sectors/cylinder: 1888 cylinders: 559 sectors/unit: 1057221 rpm: 3600 interleave: 1 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 65536 0 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 34*) b: 69328 65536 swap # (Cyl. 34*- 71*) c: 1057221 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 559*) e: 61440 134864 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 71*- 103*) f: 860917 196304 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 103*- 559*) dmesg returns Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 2.2-980309-SNAP #0: Mon Mar 9 19:30:34 GMT 1998 jkh@make.ican.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC CPU: AMD Enhanced Am486DX4 Write-Back (486-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x494 Stepping=4 Features=0x1 real memory = 12582912 (12288K bytes) avail memory = 10297344 (10056K bytes) Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0 at 0x300-0x31f irq 10 on isa ed0: address 08:00:00:20:73:68, type NE2000 (16 bit) sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 516MB (1057280 sectors), 1120 cyls, 16 heads, 59 S/T, 512 B/S npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface changing root device to wd0s2a To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 12 14:13:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10177 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:13:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail2.sirius.com (mail2.sirius.com [205.134.253.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA09882 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:11:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from parag@mail.codegen.com) Received: from [192.168.100.101] (ppp-atmp03--113.sirius.net [207.44.198.113]) by mail2.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id OAA18471 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:11:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803122211.OAA18471@mail2.sirius.com> Subject: Typo bug in 2.2.6-BETA kernel bootup messages? Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:12:10 -0800 x-sender: parag@mail.codegen.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Parag Patel To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk When booting 2.2.6-BETA on my PII system, the kernel reports "changing root device to sd0s3a". However, root is really on sd0s2a, and fstab is so configured. It boots and runs just fine so I suspect the kernel error message is off by one somehow but it really knows what the real root device is. The disk sd0 has only two slices - the 1st is a small DOS (for System Commander) and the second is FreeBSD (the rest of the 4Gb disk). Slices 3 and 4 are empty/not set. / is sd0s2a, /usr is on sd0s2e, and 128Mb swap is on sd0s2b. These are the only BSD partitions on the disk. There is only a single SCSI disk on the system, and FreeBSD is not configured to see the single IDE drive at all (which has no BSD partitions anyway). Latest cvsup update occurred just before 12 Mar 01:38:01 AM PST, and I'm just now booted and running that update. Appended is the output from /var/log/messages. Please let me know what additional information is needed - I'd be happy to provide it. Thank-you for all your efforts. -- Parag Patel mount: /dev/sd0s2a on / (local) /dev/sd0s2e on /usr (local) procfs on /proc (local) /var/log/messages: Mar 12 13:58:19 pinhead /kernel: Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. Mar 12 13:58:19 pinhead /kernel: Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 Mar 12 13:58:19 pinhead /kernel: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. Mar 12 13:58:19 pinhead /kernel: Mar 12 13:58:19 pinhead /kernel: FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA #0: Wed Mar 11 12:15:13 PST 1998 Mar 12 13:58:19 pinhead /kernel: root@pinhead.parag.codegen.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/PINHEAD2 Mar 12 13:58:19 pinhead /kernel: CPU: Pentium Pro (300.68-MHz 686-class CPU) Mar 12 13:58:19 pinhead /kernel: Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x634 Stepping=4 Mar 12 13:58:19 pinhead /kernel: Features=0x80fbff Mar 12 13:58:19 pinhead /kernel: real memory = 134217728 (131072K bytes) Mar 12 13:58:19 pinhead /kernel: avail memory = 127594496 (124604K bytes) Mar 12 13:58:19 pinhead /kernel: Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: Mar 12 13:58:19 pinhead /kernel: chip0 rev 3 on pci0:0:0 Mar 12 13:58:19 pinhead /kernel: chip1 rev 3 on pci0:1:0 Mar 12 13:58:20 pinhead /kernel: chip2 rev 1 on pci0:4:0 Mar 12 13:58:20 pinhead /kernel: chip3 rev 1 on pci0:4:1 Mar 12 13:58:20 pinhead /kernel: chip4 rev 1 int d irq 12 on pci0:4:2 Mar 12 13:58:20 pinhead /kernel: chip5 rev 1 on pci0:4:3 Mar 12 13:58:20 pinhead /kernel: ahc0 rev 0 int a irq 12 on pci0:6:0 Mar 12 13:58:20 pinhead /kernel: ahc0: aic7880 Wide Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16 SCBs Mar 12 13:58:20 pinhead /kernel: ahc0 waiting for scsi devices to settle Mar 12 13:58:20 pinhead /kernel: (ahc0:0:0): "IBM DCAS-34330W S65A" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 Mar 12 13:58:20 pinhead /kernel: sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 4134MB (8467200 512 byte sectors) Mar 12 13:58:20 pinhead /kernel: (ahc0:1:0): "WANGTEK 6130-HS 4B18" type 1 removable SCSI 2 Mar 12 13:58:20 pinhead /kernel: st0(ahc0:1:0): Sequential-Access density code 0x13, drive empty Mar 12 13:58:20 pinhead /kernel: de0 rev 18 int a irq 10 on pci0:11:0 Mar 12 13:58:20 pinhead /kernel: de0: SMC 9332DST 21140 [10-100Mb/s] pass 1.2 Mar 12 13:58:20 pinhead /kernel: de0: address 00:00:c0:7e:df:e4 Mar 12 13:58:20 pinhead /kernel: de0: enabling 10baseT port Mar 12 13:58:20 pinhead /kernel: Probing for devices on PCI bus 1: Mar 12 13:58:20 pinhead /kernel: vga0 rev 0 int a irq 11 on pci1:0:0 Mar 12 13:58:20 pinhead /kernel: Probing for PnP devices: Mar 12 13:58:20 pinhead /kernel: CSN 1 Vendor ID: CTL00e4 [0xe4008c0e] Serial 0x08de2f0a Mar 12 13:58:20 pinhead /kernel: pcm1 (SB16pnp sn 0x08de2f0a) at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 id 13 Mar 12 13:58:20 pinhead /kernel: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: Mar 12 13:58:20 pinhead /kernel: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard Mar 12 13:58:21 pinhead /kernel: sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> Mar 12 13:58:21 pinhead /kernel: sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa Mar 12 13:58:21 pinhead /kernel: sio0: type 16550A Mar 12 13:58:21 pinhead /kernel: sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa Mar 12 13:58:21 pinhead /kernel: sio1: type 16550A Mar 12 13:58:21 pinhead /kernel: lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa Mar 12 13:58:21 pinhead /kernel: lpt0: Interrupt-driven port Mar 12 13:58:21 pinhead /kernel: lp0: TCP/IP capable interface Mar 12 13:58:21 pinhead /kernel: pcm0 not found at 0xffffffff Mar 12 13:58:21 pinhead /kernel: fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa Mar 12 13:58:21 pinhead /kernel: fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold Mar 12 13:58:21 pinhead /kernel: fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in Mar 12 13:58:21 pinhead /kernel: wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa Mar 12 13:58:21 pinhead /kernel: wdc0: unit 0 (atapi): , removable, accel, ovlap, dma, iordis Mar 12 13:58:21 pinhead /kernel: wcd0: 5512Kb/sec, 256Kb cache, audio play, 255 volume levels, ejectable tray Mar 12 13:58:21 pinhead /kernel: wcd0: no disc inside, unlocked Mar 12 13:58:21 pinhead /kernel: npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard Mar 12 13:58:21 pinhead /kernel: npx0: INT 16 interface Mar 12 13:58:21 pinhead /kernel: joy0 at 0x201 on isa Mar 12 13:58:21 pinhead /kernel: joy0: joystick Mar 12 13:58:21 pinhead /kernel: changing root device to sd0s3a Mar 12 13:58:22 pinhead named[84]: starting. named 4.9.6-REL Thu Mar 12 12:13:29 PST 1998 parag@pinhead.parag.codegen.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/usr.sbin/named Mar 12 13:58:22 pinhead named[85]: Ready to answer queries. Mar 12 13:58:23 pinhead lpd[117]: restarted Mar 12 13:59:10 pinhead papd[290]: restart (1.4b2) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 12 15:52:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29844 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:52:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29824 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:52:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA04846; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:51:58 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199803122351.UAA04846@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: rpc.lockd on 2.2.5-STABLE In-Reply-To: <199803111715.MAA29952@rstcorp.com> from "Viren R. Shah" at "Mar 11, 98 12:15:24 pm" To: viren@rstcorp.com Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:51:58 -0300 (EST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk #define quoting(Viren R. Shah) // Does anyone know what the state of rpc.lockd is in 2.2.5-STABLE? It answers OK for every client requesting a lock, without testing or getting a real lock. It's just a fake for clients that refuse to work without NFS locks. // On a slightly different note: How bad is NFS-mounting mailboxes from a // FreeBSD NFS-server? TM If your mail system needs lock, it a REAL MESS. It'll appear to work perfectly, until you lose your first mailbox. Now I use NFS for everything but mail. It safer to rsh to the mail server, and read mail from there. Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 12 23:16:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA07458 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:16:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA07452 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:16:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yDOhG-0005nh-00; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:16:02 -0800 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:15:58 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: include libc_r in 2.2.6 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Could some one please include libc_r by default in 2.2.6-RELEASE? pthreads are very useful (and some cases required) for several ports (samba, mysql, ldap stuff). Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 00:10:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA18447 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 00:10:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Jupiter.internal.planet-three.com ([195.99.43.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA18414 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 00:10:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scot@internal.planet-three.com) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by Jupiter.internal.planet-three.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA07259; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:05:50 GMT (envelope-from scot@internal.planet-three.com) X-Authentication-Warning: Jupiter.internal.planet-three.com: scot owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:04:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Scot Elliott To: Tom cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I don't think the mysql port uses the FreeBSD threads does it? It seemed to configure MIT-pthreads on my system - hense my not using the port. Scot. On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Tom wrote: > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:15:58 -0800 (PST) > From: Tom > To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: include libc_r in 2.2.6 > > > Could some one please include libc_r by default in 2.2.6-RELEASE? > > pthreads are very useful (and some cases required) for several ports > (samba, mysql, ldap stuff). > > Tom > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 01:49:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA28686 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 01:49:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from luke.cpl.net (luke.cpl.net [209.150.92.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA28677 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 01:49:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shawn@luke.cpl.net) Received: from localhost (shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA07202; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 01:48:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 01:48:12 -0800 (PST) From: Shawn Ramsey To: Scot Elliott cc: Tom , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I don't think the mysql port uses the FreeBSD threads does it? It seemed > to configure MIT-pthreads on my system - hense my not using the port. I believe it will, if you rename libc_r to libpthread.a. I don't know if that is the proper way to do it, but it worked for me. MySQL has been working just fine for us for several months. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 02:13:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA01091 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 02:13:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from not.caput.dk ([194.182.253.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA01086 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 02:13:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cedric@caput.com) Received: (from cedric@localhost) by not.caput.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07071; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:20:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from cedric) Message-ID: <19980313112016.40663@caput.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:20:16 +0100 From: Cedric Valignat To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: ; from Shawn Ramsey on Fri, Mar 13, 1998 at 01:48:12AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Shawn Ramsey wrote: > I believe it will, if you rename libc_r to libpthread.a. I don't know if > that is the proper way to do it, but it worked for me. MySQL has been > working just fine for us for several months. the proper way to do it is to use the configure option "--with-named-thread-libs=-lc_r" so to put it in the port makefile's variable CONFIGURE_ARGS -- Cedric Valignat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 02:38:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA04399 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 02:38:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA04394 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 02:38:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA19384; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 02:37:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Tom cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:15:58 PST." Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 02:37:27 -0800 Message-ID: <19381.889785447@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Could some one please include libc_r by default in 2.2.6-RELEASE? Uh, no. We entered code freeze on Monday and that means that if you'd really wanted this to happen then you should have been asking for this *at least* 3 weeks ago! :-( Why does everyone wait until *after* the last minute? Grumble. Sorry, libc_r most definitely will NOT be in 2.2.6. Its champions are simply raising this issue far too late in the process. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 04:36:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA17772 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:36:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from opus.cts.cwu.edu (skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu [198.104.92.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA17766 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:36:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu) Received: from localhost (skynyrd@localhost) by opus.cts.cwu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA24815 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:36:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:36:20 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Timmons To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: panic at getnewbuf+0x21f In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk removing NO_F00F_HACK seems to relieve this condition, although running with that option set in kernels pre-2/28 doesn't seem to present a problem. perhaps some of you with thrashable p5 boxes can see how well your systems run with the F00F hack disabled these days? I've checked my CPU fan, enabled my summer-only "leaf blower" case fan, relaxed the memory timing, etc. The panics I get are NOT random, they occur at the same place every time. Alas, I'm beginning to wonder myself... -Chris On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Chris Timmons wrote: > > I still haven't figured out what's going on, but I get reliable panics > during CVSup and other high volume disk activity in this environment: > > -stable as of 0445 pst today, full build/installworld > genuine intel p5 > NO_F00F_HACK > CLK_USE_I586_CALIBRATION > > aha-3940 > de-500 100/mb ether > > /home with CVS repository on 2 disk ccd which is > NFS exported to a -current machine that has it mounted To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 07:45:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA10571 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 07:45:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rest.rest.ru (root@TM-Rbase.rest.mplik.ru [195.58.8.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA10489; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 07:45:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zal@rest.ru) Received: from rest.ru (zal.rest.ru [194.135.175.178]) by rest.rest.ru (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA10622; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:44:40 +0500 (ESK) Message-ID: <35095467.848366F@rest.ru> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:44:39 +0500 From: Aleksey Zvyagin Organization: REST Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hello! Help me, please anyone. I used the cvsup utility for a upgrade from 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE (only the 'src-sys' capability) After that i recompiled a kernel and restarted computer. And i got the following message at the boot: /dev/wd0a on /: Specified device does not match mounted device Did anyone know that it means? Please, to forward a letters to zal@rest.ru too... Future thanks. -- Best regards, Aleksey Zvyagin, Ekaterinburg city, Ural region, Russia. E-mail: zal@rest.ru; UIN: 1381198; ntalk compatible: zal@zal.rest.ru; Mini-site: http://www.almaz.rest.ru ; HomePage: http://www.rest.ru/~zal/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 08:15:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA16697 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:15:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from distance.net (root@[209.142.224.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16656; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:15:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zula@distance.net) Received: from m1 (zula@tc-port-53.lsl.com [209.69.148.53]) by distance.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA22886; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:20:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from zula@distance.net) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980313111006.006ee464@fikeforce.com> X-Sender: zula@fikeforce.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:10:06 -0500 To: Aleksey Zvyagin From: Ryan Duda Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <35095467.848366F@rest.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Aleksey, The fstab format has been changed. To fix it vi /etc/fstab and change /dev/wd0a to /dev/wd0s1a. Then reboot that will fix your problem. -RPD At 08:44 PM 3/13/98 +0500, you wrote: >Hello! > >Help me, please anyone. >I used the cvsup utility for a upgrade from 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE >(only the 'src-sys' capability) >After that i recompiled a kernel and restarted computer. >And i got the following message at the boot: > >/dev/wd0a on /: Specified device does not match mounted device > >Did anyone know that it means? > >Please, to forward a letters to zal@rest.ru too... > >Future thanks. > >-- >Best regards, > >Aleksey Zvyagin, Ekaterinburg city, Ural region, Russia. >E-mail: zal@rest.ru; UIN: 1381198; ntalk compatible: zal@zal.rest.ru; >Mini-site: http://www.almaz.rest.ru ; HomePage: http://www.rest.ru/~zal/ > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 08:19:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA17749 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:19:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bigbrother ([206.29.49.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA17613 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:18:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vshah@rstcorp.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by bigbrother (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA13660; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:12:35 -0500 Received: from fault.rstcorp.com(206.29.49.18) by bigbrother.rstcorp.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013648; Fri, 13 Mar 98 12:12:21 -0500 Received: (from vshah@localhost) by rstcorp.com (8.8.1/8.8.1) id LAA02557; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:16:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:16:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803131616.LAA02557@rstcorp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Viren R. Shah" To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rpc.lockd on 2.2.5-STABLE In-Reply-To: <199803122351.UAA04846@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> References: <199803111715.MAA29952@rstcorp.com> <199803122351.UAA04846@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> X-Mailer: VM 6.40 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: viren@rstcorp.com X-Face: )~y+U*K:yzjz{q<5lzpI_SVef'U.])9g[C9`1N@]u3,MHY7f*l7C)[_NjM4y4K8$uIUh|\u (K&&HS6,M!61&GMTk'mqmB/Qg]]X}"?TzsFl]"2v!bl8']dma.:^IY^a[lbOI>U:b<~FyK3q-p{HmZ mn~g.`~BE!5{2D:}Yi+\_KkWe?XaHj9$ko1k8iKLYv5*_2c8"G=?Up[}hn+7RNM(bzBZ_wWk6!Pf&B ?3Tcm7M7B~W%K/I0aX3]*=jP?aM]H6HBPT`oLk+0n^_;N\2\%|Rhy;p}34Q.jEsM\qtnxcm;ag%Nq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Joao" == Joao Carlos Mendes Luis writes: Joao> It answers OK for every client requesting a lock, without testing Joao> or getting a real lock. It's just a fake for clients that refuse Joao> to work without NFS locks. Thanks for the info. Too bad about not having locking. Joao> Jonny Viren -- Viren R. Shah, {viren @ rstcorp . com} "The one thing you can't trade for your heart's desire is your heart." -- Miles Vorkosigan (Lois McMaster Bujold, Memory) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 08:34:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA21021 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:34:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from solaric.UkrCard.COM (ukrcard-gu.gu.net [194.93.170.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20983; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:34:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@UkrCard.COM) Received: from localhost (alex@localhost) by solaric.UkrCard.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA28250; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:33:15 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from alex@solaric.UkrCard.COM) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:33:14 +0200 (EET) From: Alexander Tatmaniants To: Aleksey Zvyagin cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. In-Reply-To: <35095467.848366F@rest.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Aleksey Zvyagin wrote: > Hello! > > Help me, please anyone. > I used the cvsup utility for a upgrade from 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE > (only the 'src-sys' capability) It is wrong way, you need src-all to upgrade your system properly. See handbook for more information about staying stable with FreeBSD. > After that i recompiled a kernel and restarted computer. > And i got the following message at the boot: Did you upgrade entire system (run make world) or kernel only? > > /dev/wd0a on /: Specified device does not match mounted device You have to boot from old kernel (kernel.old?) and upgrade mount utility. > > Did anyone know that it means? > > Please, to forward a letters to zal@rest.ru too... > > Future thanks. > > -- > Best regards, > > Aleksey Zvyagin, Ekaterinburg city, Ural region, Russia. > E-mail: zal@rest.ru; UIN: 1381198; ntalk compatible: zal@zal.rest.ru; > Mini-site: http://www.almaz.rest.ru ; HomePage: http://www.rest.ru/~zal/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 08:44:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23159 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:44:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from northwest.com (root@port31.northwest.com [204.119.42.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23079 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:43:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stevemw@northwest.com) Received: from fuji (stevemw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by northwest.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA03080; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:39:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stevemw@fuji) Message-Id: <199803131639.IAA03080@northwest.com> To: Ryan Duda cc: Aleksey Zvyagin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:10:06 EST." <3.0.2.32.19980313111006.006ee464@fikeforce.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:39:28 -0800 From: Stephen Wynne Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message <3.0.2.32.19980313111006.006ee464@fikeforce.com>, Ryan Duda writes: The fstab format has been changed. To fix it vi /etc/fstab and change /dev/wd0a to /dev/wd0s1a. Then reboot that will fix your problem. I had the same problem, which I managed to guess how to fix. The other problem I have is that I always have to fsck on the way back up again. I get the message about "/" not having been mounted cleanly. I just have one filesystem. Any advice? I'm on the last 2.2-STABLE before 2.2.6-BETA. Thanks, Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 08:49:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA24283 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:49:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA24261; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:49:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01163; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:48:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Aleksey Zvyagin cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:44:39 +0500." <35095467.848366F@rest.ru> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:48:31 -0800 Message-ID: <1159.889807711@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Help me, please anyone. > I used the cvsup utility for a upgrade from 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE > (only the 'src-sys' capability) Sigh.. This has been talked about for at least the last week in the -stable. Perhaps it's time to make subscription to the list *mandatory* before someone is allowed to cvsup the -stable bits? We're just going to get FAQ'd to death in the future if we don't do something like this, I'm really worried about that. P.S. As has been covered in *great* detail this last week, and as is also available via the mailing list archives, edit /dev/wd0a to be the fully-slice-qualified name, like the other entries. e.g. /dev/wd0s1a. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 10:02:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09570 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:02:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA09190 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:01:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yDYlZ-0007EF-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:01:10 -0800 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:01:08 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Scot Elliott cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Scot Elliott wrote: > I don't think the mysql port uses the FreeBSD threads does it? It seemed > to configure MIT-pthreads on my system - hense my not using the port. > > Scot. But MySQL can't use FreeBSD threads if libc_r is not included by default, because then the port will have to depend on the user downloading and compiling /usr/src/lib/libc_r The point here, is the MySQL should be using libc_r, but can't, unless libc_r is included by default. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 10:05:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10387 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:05:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA10206 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:04:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yDYoo-0007Uh-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:04:30 -0800 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:04:28 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 In-Reply-To: <19381.889785447@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Could some one please include libc_r by default in 2.2.6-RELEASE? > > Uh, no. We entered code freeze on Monday and that means that if you'd > really wanted this to happen then you should have been asking for this > *at least* 3 weeks ago! :-( Why does everyone wait until *after* the > last minute? Grumble. Sorry, libc_r most definitely will NOT be in > 2.2.6. Its champions are simply raising this issue far too late in > the process. It is not like I'm asking for new code to added, just for code that is already in 2.2.5-stable to be built! The code is there NOW. You just need to add "WANT_LIBC_R=true" to make.conf In case you haven't noticed, this is the second time I've asked this. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 10:18:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12918 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:18:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA12901 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:18:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yDZ1r-0000vu-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:17:59 -0800 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:17:57 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Shawn Ramsey cc: Scot Elliott , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Shawn Ramsey wrote: > > I don't think the mysql port uses the FreeBSD threads does it? It seemed > > to configure MIT-pthreads on my system - hense my not using the port. > > I believe it will, if you rename libc_r to libpthread.a. I don't know if > that is the proper way to do it, but it worked for me. MySQL has been > working just fine for us for several months. You should read the MySQL docs: ./configure --with-named-thread-libs=-libc_r Also, libc_r underwent a lot of fixes about Feb 15. It is much more Posix compliant now. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 10:22:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13886 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:22:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13818 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:22:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00526; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:20:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Tom cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:04:28 PST." Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:20:53 -0800 Message-ID: <522.889813253@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > It is not like I'm asking for new code to added, just for code that is > already in 2.2.5-stable to be built! The code is there NOW. You just > need to add "WANT_LIBC_R=true" to make.conf Sigh. But that's not the point - I don't do anything to perturb the components of my *build set* after a code freeze. I don't care whether it's part of the system or not, the time to talk about enabling or adding any new component is *well before* a release, not during it or its BETA test cycle. You missed the window. > In case you haven't noticed, this is the second time I've asked this. Yes, the first time you asked was on Friday the 6th of March at 15:49 PST. Code freeze was less than 72 hours away and I was already juggling a number of last-minute items people had thrown at me even earlier in the week. By the time I had a chance to even look at and consider the implications of the issue, code freeze was already upon us and so the idea was tossed on the "think about this after 2.2.6" pile and that's where it's going to stay until after 2.2.6 is tagged and rolled. I simply won't make a change of this type during BETA test, sorry. I'm sure it's totally innocuous and would be of absolutely no harm to anyyone if I added it and to that I can only say that every *other* change I've made which subsequently bit me on the ass in some unforseen fashion has come with exactly the same recommendation and pedigree. :) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 12:41:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06526 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:41:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bsampley.vip.best.com (bsampley.vip.best.com [206.184.160.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06493 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:41:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsampley@best.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bsampley.vip.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA00291 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:39:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsampley@best.com) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:39:42 -0800 (PST) From: Burton Sampley X-Sender: bsampley@bsampley.vip.best.com To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: More problems with new slice code Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Greetings, Has anyone else run into this problem: Some time ago, in a past life, I ran /dev/MAKEDEV all. The next time I rebooted the system it puked into single user mode because apparently all the slice info had been blown away. Now when I try to convert over the the new slice code (last cvsup'ed and make world as of 980312 for -stable) it dies on mounting root. Since I cvsup'ed 4 days after the commit I'm assuming I also have the necessary changes to mount. When my system boots under the new kernel with my original /etc/fstab file all the files systems appear to come up clean except for that nasty little note which says: /dev/sd0a on /: Specified device does not match mounted device KABOOM ---> single user mode /sbin/mount root_device on / (local, read-only) Here's my original /etc/fstab: bsampley(102)% cat /etc/fstab # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/sd0b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/sd0a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd0g /usr ufs rw 2 2 /dev/sd0f /usr/obj ufs rw,noatime,async 2 2 /dev/sd0e /var ufs rw 2 2 /dev/sd1e /usr/src ufs rw,noatime,async 2 2 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 /dev/cd0c /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 bsampley(103)% I also tried it with root pointing to /dev/sd0s1a and /dev/sd0s2a, both bombed out before checking the file systems. Please note, this is a NON dangerously dedicated disk. It shares with M$ (for games only) and Linux (just to goof around with). Any ideas? - --------------- Burton Sampley bsampley@best.com or bsampley@haywire.csuhayward.edu PGP key available at http://www.best.com/~bsampley/pgp.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNQmZlHt2O8KJtMdBAQGh4AQAnGl4zcNNUSxNVewQBe7n4g2Axk94zIsu 3y1TFd6qTwa49pgucUUFcxe2ynMVi1GVlGbQvJyf9vi4Or75R+x4tID3hGCS05Ip YvSo0QOHj9VPyz/LRaeAZ6ssrPgedq32POKfHgJ6qQizeeP9riSsYUIaIANuAr5J 9sh6w0RIwNE= =skE0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 13:05:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11348 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:05:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vs1.virtualisys.com ([207.137.172.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11294 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:04:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntrkcasa (pool46.hiper.net [207.137.172.46]) by vs1.virtualisys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA27041; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:03:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980313130418.0360a100@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:04:18 -0800 To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: What is 2.2.6-BETA Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3506E761.41C67EA6@asme.org> References: <3.0.5.32.19980311101007.0334f570@ccsales.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hello Pedro, Thanx. So if I want to keep stable what do I do:::? 1. Load the RELEASE and then patches? 2. Is there a straight forward, automated way of doing this? What I'm trying to do is to keep PRODUCTION servers up to date in terms of the binaries and security issues (LAND, F00F, etc...)... ...any suggestions? At 02:34 PM 3/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >It means that 2.2.6 will come out soon and we want this version tested >to the limit. Since the new release is not out yet, there is no >announcement. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 13:09:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12299 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:09:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c243.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12294 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:09:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA21640; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:06:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Tom cc: Scot Elliott , stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:01:08 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:06:21 -0500 Message-ID: <21636.889823181@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Tom wrote in message ID : > But MySQL can't use FreeBSD threads if libc_r is not included by > default, because then the port will have to depend on the user downloading > and compiling /usr/src/lib/libc_r > > The point here, is the MySQL should be using libc_r, but can't, unless > libc_r is included by default. > > Tom Your logic is flawed. The ports collection can detect library dependancies being missing and compile the appropriate port to install the missing lib. Why not use the same for the MySQL port (I believe its `ldconfig -r') and use it to check for the existance of the libc_r library? Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 13:12:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA13501 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:12:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA13354; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:12:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yDbkJ-0000TG-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:12:03 -0800 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:12:01 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Gary Palmer cc: Scot Elliott , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 In-Reply-To: <21636.889823181@gjp.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Gary Palmer wrote: > Tom wrote in message ID > : > > But MySQL can't use FreeBSD threads if libc_r is not included by > > default, because then the port will have to depend on the user downloading > > and compiling /usr/src/lib/libc_r > > > > The point here, is the MySQL should be using libc_r, but can't, unless > > libc_r is included by default. > > > > Tom > > Your logic is flawed. The ports collection can detect library dependancies > being missing and compile the appropriate port to install the missing lib. > Why not use the same for the MySQL port (I believe its `ldconfig -r') > and use it to check for the existance of the libc_r library? No, your interpretation is flawed. The "missing lib" is not a port, so the ports collection can't install it. libc_r is part of 2.2.5-stable tree. Its just not compiled by default. However, at this point, libc_r (which is already in the 2.2.5-stable tree) will likely have to made into a port too (rather redundant), so that ports can use it. > Gary > -- > Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member > FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 13:14:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14032 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:14:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13913 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:14:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01939; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:09:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803132109.NAA01939@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Stephen Wynne cc: Ryan Duda , Aleksey Zvyagin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:39:28 PST." <199803131639.IAA03080@northwest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:09:53 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > In message <3.0.2.32.19980313111006.006ee464@fikeforce.com>, Ryan Duda writes: > > The fstab format has been changed. > > To fix it vi /etc/fstab and change /dev/wd0a to /dev/wd0s1a. > Then reboot that will fix your problem. > > I had the same problem, which I managed to guess how to fix. > The other problem I have is that I always have to fsck on the > way back up again. I get the message about "/" not having been > mounted cleanly. Does it still complain about this even after the /etc/fstab change? I have not been able to reproduce this, but had assumed it was a leak due to the faked mount attempts. > I just have one filesystem. Any advice? I'm on the last 2.2-STABLE > before 2.2.6-BETA. If you can give me a copy of your /etc/fstab and the output of 'disklabel' on your slice, I will attempt to a) reproduce and b) fix the problem. There is also a condition where you will get 32 "/ was not dismounted" messages, which will be fixed shortly. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 13:32:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19148 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:32:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from luke.cpl.net (luke.cpl.net [209.150.92.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19062 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:31:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shawn@luke.cpl.net) Received: from localhost (shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA03588; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:31:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:31:01 -0800 (PST) From: Shawn Ramsey To: Tom cc: Scot Elliott , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > to configure MIT-pthreads on my system - hense my not using the port. > > > > I believe it will, if you rename libc_r to libpthread.a. I don't know if > > that is the proper way to do it, but it worked for me. MySQL has been > > working just fine for us for several months. > > You should read the MySQL docs: > > ./configure --with-named-thread-libs=-libc_r > > > Also, libc_r underwent a lot of fixes about Feb 15. It is much more > Posix compliant now. Is the way I did it any different functionally? I would reinstall properly, but getting all the Mysqlperl stuff installed seemed to be like a lot of work the first time. Does the new libc_r require a make world? The computer our MySQL is on will not do a make world. I have no idea why, Jordan mentioned a possible reason is a bad cache.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 13:33:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19476 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:33:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from itsdsv1.enc.edu (fw1.enc.edu [207.95.42.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19384 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:32:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owensc@enc.edu) Received: from itsdsv2.enc.edu (itsdsv2.enc.edu [10.1.1.9]) by itsdsv1.enc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA28233 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:29:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:29:44 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Owens To: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: make world [reinstall, actually] weirdness Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Folks, I've used this approach with good success several times in the past: on machine 1: make world on machine 2: nfs mount /usr/src and /usr/obj from machine 1 cd /usr/src # nfs mount point from mac. 1 make reinstall Worked like a charm for me for a build of RELENG_2_2 just two weeks ago. I cvsup'd just yesterday and did a make world on machine 1 with no trouble. I then tried to do the make reinstall on machine 2 and encountered a problem when it processes the contents of /usr/src/lib: ===> lib/libalias install -C -o bin -g bin -m 444 /usr/bigness/src/lib/libalias/alias.h /usr/include install -c -o bin -g bin -m 444 libalias.a /usr/lib install -c -o bin -g bin -m 444 libalias_p.a /usr/lib install: libalias_p.a: No such file or directory *** Error code 71 Stop. Not to be deterred, I did this (still on machine 2): cd /usr/src/lib/libalias make # chews for a moment make intall # no errors! cd ../.. make reinstall # let's try again It gets past the install of lib/libalias, but as it next tries to work on lib/libc it dies with a similar error, in this case: install: libc_p.a: No such file or directory This time, however, my above trick doesn't work. A make in the lib/libc directory produces this many times repeated: "/usr/bigness/src/lib/libc/../libc//Makefile.inc", line 16: Missing dependency operator "/usr/bigness/src/lib/libc/../libc//Makefile.inc", line 16: Too many nested if's. 30 max. Am I doing something wrong or is something unhappily broken? The make reinstall feature is a _very_ helpful thing for those of us with multiple boxes. Thanks, --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles N. Owens Email: owensc@enc.edu http://www.enc.edu/~owensc Network & Systems Administrator Information Technology Services "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's Eastern Nazarene College best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 13:36:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20411 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:36:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c243.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20262 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:35:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA21710; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:35:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Tom cc: Scot Elliott , stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:12:01 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:35:31 -0500 Message-ID: <21706.889824931@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Tom wrote in message ID : > No, your interpretation is flawed. No, I think you're being shortsighted > The "missing lib" is not a port, so the ports collection can't install > it. libc_r is part of 2.2.5-stable tree. Its just not compiled by > default. Ok, so in the case that libc_r is missing, you fall back to using pthreads, which the port is already using (or so I assume from other posts) Or am I missing something here? Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 13:59:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24168 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:59:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA24149; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:59:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yDcU5-0004fH-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:59:21 -0800 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:59:19 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Gary Palmer cc: Scot Elliott , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 In-Reply-To: <21706.889824931@gjp.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Gary Palmer wrote: > Tom wrote in message ID > : > > No, your interpretation is flawed. > > No, I think you're being shortsighted I think that the fact that we are going to ship a new release, in this day and age, without an integrated version of Posix threads to be short sighted. > > The "missing lib" is not a port, so the ports collection can't install > > it. libc_r is part of 2.2.5-stable tree. Its just not compiled by > > default. > > Ok, so in the case that libc_r is missing, you fall back to using > pthreads, which the port is already using (or so I assume from other > posts) mit-pthreads actually. However, using mit-phreads results in a slower, somewhat crippled build of MySQL. However, the fact that MySQL bundles in mit-pthreads in nice. The LDAP stuff only works with libc_r though. > Or am I missing something here? Yes. libc_r is the best Posix threads implementation for FreeBSD. Either ports use a crippled lib like the mit-pthreads (which does not support pipes for one), or in some cases they can't be built at all (LDAP). Not only that, I was planning attempt to convince a commercial vendor to re-port their SQL database server to 2.2.6-RELEASE with pthreads. They aren't likely do that unless 2.2.6-RELEASE comes with pthreads built in. Let me tell you, the performance of this database bites without threads. Already the Solaris and Linux releases are much faster than the non-threaded FreeBSD release. > Gary > -- > Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member > FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 14:03:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25042 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:03:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA25024 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:03:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yDcXo-00051J-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:03:12 -0800 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:03:10 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Shawn Ramsey cc: Scot Elliott , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Shawn Ramsey wrote: > > > > to configure MIT-pthreads on my system - hense my not using the port. > > > > > > I believe it will, if you rename libc_r to libpthread.a. I don't know if > > > that is the proper way to do it, but it worked for me. MySQL has been > > > working just fine for us for several months. > > > > You should read the MySQL docs: > > > > ./configure --with-named-thread-libs=-libc_r > > > > > > Also, libc_r underwent a lot of fixes about Feb 15. It is much more > > Posix compliant now. > > Is the way I did it any different functionally? I would reinstall Well, suddenly your system doesn't have a libc_r anymore, after you rename it. > properly, but getting all the Mysqlperl stuff installed seemed to be like > a lot of work the first time. Does the new libc_r require a make world? > The computer our MySQL is on will not do a make world. I have no idea why, > Jordan mentioned a possible reason is a bad cache.. Ugh... if your computer will not buildworld, it is not stable, period. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 15:00:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03398 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:00:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from marge.infinity.com (pm2-11-10.tor.idirect.com [207.136.127.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA03272 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:00:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Chris34343@mci.net) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:00:21 -0800 (PST) From: Chris34343@mci.net Message-Id: <199803132300.PAA03272@hub.freebsd.org> To: Subject: Hi, How are you? Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk

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IF NOT SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY. RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL." Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 19th, of my emailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program. IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER! Remember, it won't work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It doesn't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! REPORT #2 explains this. Always follow the guarantee, 15 to 20 orders of REPORT #1 and 100 or more orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 20 to 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!! If you choose not to participate in this program, I'm sorry, It really is a great oppotunity with little cost or risk to you. if you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security. If you are a fellow business owner and you are in financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! Sincerely, Christopher Erickson P.S. Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like piled up on a kitchen table? IT'S AWESOME! "THREW IT AWAY" "I had received this program before. I threw it away, but later wondered if i shouldn't have given it a try. of course, I had no idea who to contact to get a copy, so I had to wait until I was emailed another copy of the program. Eleven months passed, then it came. I DIDN'T throw this one away. I made $41,000 on the first try." Dawn W., Evensville, IN "NO FREE LUNCH" "My late fater always told me, 'remember, Alan there is no free lunch in life. You get out of life what you put into it.' Though trial and error and a somewhat slow frustrating start, I finally figured it out. The program works very well, I just had to find the right target group of people to email to. So far this year, I have made over $63,000 using the program. I know my dad would have been very proud of me" Alan B., Philadelphia, PA A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM By the time you have read the enclosed information and looked over the enclosed programs and reports, you should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been created by an amateur. Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for ten years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate...because many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, including those who never had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks of the poor. As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." The traditional methods of making money will never allow you to "move up" or "get rich", inflation will see to that. You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined. I should also point out that I will not see a penny of your money, nor anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program. I have already made over FOUR MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired from the program after sending out over 16,000 programs. Now I have several offices which market this and several other programs here in the U.S. and overseas. By the spring, we wish to market the "Internet" by a partnership with AMERICA ONLINE. Follow this program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to email a copy of this exciting program to everyone you can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000... and your name will be on every one of them! Remember though, the more you send out, the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent, IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! "THINK ABOUT IT" Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did, take a little to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make alot of money! Definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. IT WORKS! Paul Johnson, Raleigh, NC HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU $$$$$$ Let's say you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved send out 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a .5% response. Using a good list the response could be much better. Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of total of 20,000. Out of those .5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The .5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The .5% response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That's 10,000 five dollar bills for you CASH!!!! Your total income in this example is $50.00 + $500.00 + $5,000.00 + $50,000.00 for a total of $55,550.00!!!! REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING...AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF ONLY 2,000. Believe me, many people will do that and more! By the way, your cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have an internet connection and email is FREE!!! REPORT #3 will show you the best methods for bulk emailing and purchasing email lists. THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY, It does not require you to come in contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave your house except to get the mail. If you believe that someday you'll get that big break that you've been waiting for, THIS IS IT! Simply follow the instuctions, and your dream will come true. This multi-level email order marketing program works perfectly...100% EVERY TIME. Email is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this non-commercialized method of advertising NOW!! The longer you wait, the more people will be doing business using email. Get your piece of this action!! MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability. It is being taught in the Harvard business school, and both Stanford research and the Wall street journal have stated that between 50% and 65% of all goods and services will be sold thoughout Multi-Level methods by the mid 1990's. This is a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionares in the U.S., 20% (100,000) made their fortune in the last several years in MLM. Moreover statistics show 45 people become millionares everyday through Multi-Level Marketing. INSTRUCTIONS We at Erris Mail Order Marketing Business, have a method of raising capital that REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am really sure that you could use $50,000 to $125,000 in the next 20 to 90 days. Before you say "Bull", please read the program carefully. This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making opportunity. Basically, this is what we do: As with all multi-level business, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the U.S.A. allows you to recruit new multi- level business partners, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME AND ARE FILLED THROUGH THE MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home, store or office. This is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere. Step (1) Order all 4 REPORTS listed by NAME AND NUMBER. Do this by ordering the REPORT from each of the four names listed on the next page. For each REPORT, send $5 CASH and a SELF- ADDRESSED, STAMPED envelope (BUSINESS SIZE #10) to the person listed for the SPECIFIC REPORT. International orders should also include $1 extra postage. Be sure to include your internet address incase of any problems.It is essential that you specify the NAME and NUMBER of the report requested to the person you are ordering from. You will need ALL FOUR REPORTS because you will be REPRINTING and RESELLING them. DO NOT alter the names or sequence other than what the instructions say. IMPORTANT: Always provide same-day service on all orders. Step (2) Replace the name and address under REPORT #1 with yours, moving the one that was there down to REPORT #2. Drop the name and address under REPORT #2 to REPORT #3, moving the one that was there to REPORT #4. The name and address that was under REPORT #4 is dropped from the list and this party is in no doubt on the way to the bank. When doing this, make certain you type the names and addresses ACCURATELY! DO NOT MIX UP MOVING PRODUCT/REPORT POSITIONS!!! Step (3) Having made the required changes in the NAME list, save it as a text (.txt) file in it's own directory to be used with whatever email program you like. Again, REPORT #3 will tell you the best methods of bulk emailing and acquiring email lists. You will also receive the address to a website to assist you. Any and all programs needed will be available free of charge. Including bulk mailers and email collectors. Step (4) Email a copy of the entire program (all of this is very important) to everyone whose addresses you can get your hands on. Start with friends and relatives since you can encourage them to take advantage of this fabulous money-making opportunity. That's what I did. And they love me now, more than ever. Then email to anyone and everyone whose address you collect with the programs available to you at the above mentioned site. Use your imagination! REQUIRED REPORTS ***Order each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME*** ALWAYS SEND A SELF ADDRESSED, STAMPED ENVELOPE, INTERNET ADDRESS AND $5 CASH FOR EACH ORDER REQUESTING THE SPECIFIC REPORT NAME AND NUMBER __________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: D.M.1 2133 Jane St. #5 Box#154 Downsview, Ontario Canada M3M-1A2 __________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: R.P. Marketing 1051 Stuyvesant Ave. Suite 193 Union, New Jersey 07083 __________________________________________________ REPORT #3 "SOURCES OF BEST MAILING LISTS" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: Twin Marketing P.O. Box 673 Harbor City, California 90710-0673 __________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: M.O.C. Marketing P.O. Box 146 Gaithersburg, Maryland 20884-0146 __________________________________________________ CONCLUSION I am enjoying my fortune that I made by sending out this program. You too, will be making money in 20 to 90 days, if you follow the SIMPLE STEPS outlined in this mailing. To be financially independent is to be FREE. Free to make financial decisions as never before. Go into business, get into investments, retire or take a vacation. No longer will a lack of money hold you back. However very few people reach financial independence, because when opportunity knocks, they choose to ignore it. It is much easier to say "NO" than "YES", and this is the question that you must answer. Will YOU ignore this amazing opportunity or will you take advantage of it? If you do nothing, you have indeed missed something and nothing will change. Please re-read this material, this is a special opportunity. My method is simple. I sell thousands of people a product for $5 that costs me pennies to produce and mail. I should also point out that this program is legal and everyone who participates WILL make money. This is not a chain letter or pyramid scam. At times you have probably received chain letters, asking you to send money, on faith, but getting NOTHING in return, No product what so-ever! Not only are chain letters illegal, but the risk of someone breaking the chain makes them quite unattractive. You are offering a legitimate product to your people. After they purchase the product from you, they reproduce more and resell them. It's simple free enterprise. As you learned from the enclosed material, the PRODUCT is a series of 4 FINANCIAL AND BUSINESS REPORTS. The information contained in these REPORTS will not only help you in making your participation in this program more rewarding, but it will be usefull to you in any other business decisions you make in the years ahead. You are also buying the rights to reprint all of the REPORTS, which will be ordered from you by those to whom you mail this program. The concise one and two page REPORTS you will be buying can easily be reproduced at a local copt center for a cost of about 3 cents a copy. Best wishes with the program and Good Luck! "IT WAS TRULY AMAZING" "Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this program. But conservative as I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was no way that I could not get enough orders to at least get my money back. BOY was I ever surprised when I found my medium sized post office box crammed with orders! I will make more money this year than any ten years of my life before." Mary Riceland, Lansing, MI TIPS FOR SUCCESS Send for you four 4 REPORTS immediately so you will have them when the orders start coming in. When you receive $5 order, you MUST send out the product/service to comply with U.S. Postal and Lottery laws. Title 18 Sections 1302 and 1341 specifically state that: "A PRODUCT OR SERVICE MUST BE EXCHANGED FOR MONEY RECEIVED." IMPORTANT: WHEN SENDING A SELF ADDRESSED, STAMPED EVELOPE, IF MAILING TO A DIFFERENT COUNTRY, PURCHASE AN I.R.C (INTERNATIONAL RESPONSE COUPON). DO NOT SEND POSTAGE FROM YOUR COUNTRY OR THE PERSON FROM THE OTHER COUNTRY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO USE THAT POSTAGE. WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE REPORTS TO ARRIVE: 1. Name your new company. You can use your own name if you desire. 2. Get a post office box (preffered) 3. Edit the names and addresses on the program. You must remember, your name and address go next to REPORT #1 and all the others all move down one, with the fourth one being bumped OFF the list. 4. Obtain as many email addresses as possible to send until you receive the information on mailing list companies in REPORT #3. 5. Decide on the number of programs you intend to send out. The more you send, and the quicker you send them, the more money you will make. 6. After mailing the programs, get ready to fill orders. 7. Copy the 4 REPORTS so you are able to send them out as soon as you receive an order. IMPORTANT: ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ORDERS YOU RECEIVE! 8. Make certain the letter and reports are neat and legible. YOUR GUARANTEE The check point which GUARANTEES your success is simply this: You must receive 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1. This is a must!!! If you don't within 2 weeks, email out more programs until you do. Then a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2, if you don't, send out more programs until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, (take a deep breath) you can sit back and relax, because YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE AT LEAST $50,000. Mathematically it is a proven guarantee. One of those who have participated in the program and reached the above GUARANTEES-ALL have reached their $50,000 goal. Also, remember, everytime your name is moved down the list you are infront of a different REPORT, so you can keep track of your program by knowing what people are ordering from you, IT'S THAT EASY, REALLY IT IS!!! REMEMBER: "HE WHO DARES NOTHING, NEED NOT HOPE FOR ANYTHING." "INVEST A LITTLE TIME, ENERGY AND MONEY NOW OR SEARCH FOR IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE."

To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 15:42:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA11165 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:42:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from drawbridge.ascend.com (drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA11151 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:42:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bob_b@bigfoot.com) Received: from spud.ascend.com (fw-ext.ascend.com [198.4.92.5]) by drawbridge.ascend.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA29234 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:42:05 -0800 Received: from ascend.com by ascend.com with SMTP id PAA07250 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:41:59 -0800 Message-ID: <012e01bd4ed9$20bf0020$5cd441ce@bbalsover-pc.eng.ascend.com> From: "Bob Balsover" To: Subject: Mailing list abuse. Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:38:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Where do I report mailing list abuse, Chris34343@mci.net has seen fit to spam me using the freebsd-stable address. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 15:53:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13043 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:53:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [207.149.232.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13030 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:53:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA14144; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:52:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rgrimes) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199803132352.PAA14144@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 In-Reply-To: <522.889813253@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Mar 13, 98 10:20:53 am" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:52:13 -0800 (PST) Cc: tom@uniserve.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk ... > pile and that's where it's going to stay until after 2.2.6 is tagged > and rolled. I simply won't make a change of this type during BETA > test, sorry. I'm sure it's totally innocuous and would be of > absolutely no harm to anyyone if I added it and to that I can only say > that every *other* change I've made which subsequently bit me on the > ass in some unforseen fashion has come with exactly the same > recommendation and pedigree. :) I hearby grant to Jordan K. Hubbard a PHD in Release Engineering from the school of Hard Knocks, congradulations and my hats off to you!!! -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 16:17:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17089 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:17:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050ndd.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA17078 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:17:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050ndd.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25309; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:17:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <3509CC94.DBC64F2F@dal.net> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:17:24 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA-0312 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Randy A. Katz" CC: "Pedro F. Giffuni" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What is 2.2.6-BETA References: <3.0.5.32.19980311101007.0334f570@ccsales.com> <3.0.5.32.19980313130418.0360a100@ccsales.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Randy A. Katz wrote: > > Hello Pedro, > > Thanx. So if I want to keep stable what do I do:::? > > 1. Load the RELEASE and then patches? > 2. Is there a straight forward, automated way of doing this? > > What I'm trying to do is to keep PRODUCTION servers up to date in terms of > the binaries and security issues (LAND, F00F, etc...)... I think you misunderstand. What is now 2.2.6-Beta was 2.2.5-Stable the day before the name changed. What we now call -Beta could also be considered the most recent version of -Stable. If the -Beta tag worries you, don't upgrade till 2.2.6 goes golden. There will be very few changes between now and that time, so you should be pretty safe from a security standpoint. Hope this helps, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 16:26:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18791 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:26:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18645 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:25:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from giffunip@asme.org) Received: from giffuni.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.40]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with SMTP id AAA6404; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:27:20 +0500 Message-ID: <3509CE1B.59E2B600@asme.org> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:23:55 -0500 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: U. Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Studded CC: "Randy A. Katz" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What is 2.2.6-BETA References: <3.0.5.32.19980311101007.0334f570@ccsales.com> <3.0.5.32.19980313130418.0360a100@ccsales.com> <3509CC94.DBC64F2F@dal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Yes, I was trying to explain this privately, but Randy still replied to the list. The security lists (and announce) do an excellent job updating the security issues. cheers, Pedro. Studded wrote: > > Randy A. Katz wrote: > > > > Hello Pedro, > > > > Thanx. So if I want to keep stable what do I do:::? > > > > 1. Load the RELEASE and then patches? > > 2. Is there a straight forward, automated way of doing this? > > > > What I'm trying to do is to keep PRODUCTION servers up to date in terms of > > the binaries and security issues (LAND, F00F, etc...)... > > I think you misunderstand. What is now 2.2.6-Beta was 2.2.5-Stable the > day before the name changed. What we now call -Beta could also be > considered the most recent version of -Stable. If the -Beta tag worries > you, don't upgrade till 2.2.6 goes golden. There will be very few > changes between now and that time, so you should be pretty safe from a > security standpoint. > > Hope this helps, > > Doug > > -- > *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** > *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest > *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. > *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 16:31:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19742 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:31:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from set.spradley.tmi.net (set.spradley.tmi.net [207.170.107.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA19724 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:31:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net) Received: from localhost (set.spradley.tmi.net) [127.0.0.1] by set.spradley.tmi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yDerg-0002zi-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:31:52 -0600 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Charles Owens cc: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: Re: make world [reinstall, actually] weirdness In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:29:44 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:31:47 -0600 From: Ted Spradley Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > install: libalias_p.a: No such file or directory > *** Error code 71 > > Stop. You've been reading the worldstone thread, and you saw that 'make world' goes faster with -DNOPROFILE, so you tried it without finding out what it means. It means, don't bother building the profiling version of all those libraries, that is, the ones with the _p added to the name. That's why it's quicker. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 16:31:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19815 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:31:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19768 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:31:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id AAA21002; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:31:34 GMT Message-ID: <19980313163134.04622@nuxi.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:31:34 -0800 From: "David E. O'Brien" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Tom , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <522.889813253@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <522.889813253@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Fri, Mar 13, 1998 at 10:20:53AM -0800 X-Warning: Mutt Bites! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE Organization: The NUXI *BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > It is not like I'm asking for new code to added, just for code that is > > already in 2.2.5-stable to be built! The code is there NOW. You just > > need to add "WANT_LIBC_R=true" to make.conf Can this at least be added ("WANT_LIBC_R=false") and documented in /etc/make.conf? -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 16:43:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA21917 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:43:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.westbend.net (ns1.westbend.net [207.217.224.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21906 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:43:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Received: from admin (admin.westbend.net [207.217.224.195]) by mail.westbend.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA10650; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:42:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Message-ID: <001801bd4ee1$295534e0$c3e0d9cf@admin.westbend.net> From: "Scot W. Hetzel" To: "Bob Balsover" Cc: Subject: Re: Mailing list abuse. Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:35:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Bob Balsover To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 5:45 PM Subject: Mailing list abuse. >Where do I report mailing list abuse, Chris34343@mci.net has seen fit to spam me >using the freebsd-stable address. > Well that address didn't SPAM you, if you check the mail headers, it came from a user on idirect.com. Send a message to: postmaster@idirect.com and complain to them about spamming the list. NOTE: This SPAM also appeared on CURRENT, PORTS, and STABLE mailing lists. Scot To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 18:51:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09849 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:51:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA09841; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:51:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id CAA21517; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 02:51:06 GMT Message-ID: <19980313185105.21172@nuxi.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:51:05 -0800 From: "David E. O'Brien" To: Mike Smith Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG, joerg@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199803090852.AAA14131@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <199803090852.AAA14131@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Mon, Mar 09, 1998 at 12:52:38AM -0800 X-Warning: Mutt Bites! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE Organization: The NUXI *BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In light of the new mount changes, how should these instructions from Jo"rg be updated? dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rsd2 bs=1k count=1 disklabel -Brw sd2 auto disklabel -e sd2 newfs -d0 /dev/rsd2e fsck /dev/sd2e Is the slice created by ``disklable .. auto'' always "s1"? Doesn't a dedicatedly partitioned disk, really not contain slices? fdisk(8) reports them as living in [fdisk] partition 4. Can't tell what sysinstall would do in "dangerous dedicated mode" as it won't see the drives on my second SCSI bus. :( fsck /dev/sd2s1e Can't open /dev/rsd2s1e: Device not configured fsck /dev/sd2s4e Can't open /dev/rsd2s4e: Device not configured dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rsd2 bs=1k count=1 disklabel -Brw sd2s1 auto disklabel: /dev/rsd2s1e: Device not configured disklabel -Brw sd2s4 auto disklabel: /dev/rsd2s4e: Device not configured So what's the new way? -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 18:59:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11369 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:59:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA11356; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:58:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02631; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:57:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Tom cc: Gary Palmer , Scot Elliott , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:59:19 PST." Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:57:45 -0800 Message-ID: <2628.889844265@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I think that the fact that we are going to ship a new release, in this > day and age, without an integrated version of Posix threads to be short > sighted. Sigh... Where were you before this, that's all I can ask at this point. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 19:32:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA21630 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:32:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA21509; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:31:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA19527; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:31:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:31:44 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White Reply-To: Doug White To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Aleksey Zvyagin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. In-Reply-To: <1159.889807711@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Help me, please anyone. > > I used the cvsup utility for a upgrade from 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE > > (only the 'src-sys' capability) > > Sigh.. This has been talked about for at least the last week in the > -stable. > > Perhaps it's time to make subscription to the list *mandatory* before > someone is allowed to cvsup the -stable bits? We're just going to get > FAQ'd to death in the future if we don't do something like this, I'm > really worried about that. Speaking of FAQ, it may be useful to do some preemptive customer support and add a FAQ question for it. > P.S. As has been covered in *great* detail this last week, and as is > also available via the mailing list archives, edit /dev/wd0a to be the > fully-slice-qualified name, like the other entries. e.g. /dev/wd0s1a. I think I'll have to join Paul in questioning whether this breakage is going to make 2.2.6 a support nightmare. I don't want this to become another ``unknown login class root''-style hailstorm. :-( Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 19:58:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA25377 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:42:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA25126; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:41:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA03072; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:37:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803140337.TAA03072@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Doug White cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Aleksey Zvyagin , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:31:44 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:37:41 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Perhaps it's time to make subscription to the list *mandatory* before > > someone is allowed to cvsup the -stable bits? We're just going to get > > FAQ'd to death in the future if we don't do something like this, I'm > > really worried about that. > > Speaking of FAQ, it may be useful to do some preemptive customer support > and add a FAQ question for it. Please do. If I wasn't quite so delirious and distracted I'd try to do it myself. > > P.S. As has been covered in *great* detail this last week, and as is > > also available via the mailing list archives, edit /dev/wd0a to be the > > fully-slice-qualified name, like the other entries. e.g. /dev/wd0s1a. > > I think I'll have to join Paul in questioning whether this breakage is > going to make 2.2.6 a support nightmare. I don't want this to become > another ``unknown login class root''-style hailstorm. :-( If you update /sbin/mount at the same time, it's a no-op. I got bitten by the two different "dedicated" disk types issue though; that hurt. The fix is still being tested in -current, but I haven't heard any complaints about it, so I was planning to bring it over tonight. I think it was my turn to be bitten by a "this is simple and innocouous and will reduce world ugliness" change. 8( -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 20:40:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA08298 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:40:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA08259; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:40:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA19697; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:37:00 +1100 Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:37:00 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199803140437.PAA19697@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: mike@smith.net.au, obrien@NUXI.com Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, joerg@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >In light of the new mount changes, how should these instructions from >Jo"rg be updated? > > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rsd2 bs=1k count=1 > disklabel -Brw sd2 auto > disklabel -e sd2 > newfs -d0 /dev/rsd2e > fsck /dev/sd2e No change. >Is the slice created by ``disklable .. auto'' always "s1"? It depends. If you have cleared the DOS partition table using dd as above, then `disklabel ... auto' gives a bogus partition entry in the slot normally occupied by slice s4. The kernel initially reports this as slice s5, but the driver won't create any slices, and the kernel will later mount sd2e (if you booted from that instead of the default sd2a, and nothing else goes wrong). >Doesn't a dedicatedly partitioned disk, really not contain slices? Depends how it was dedicated. There are several cases: 1. as above. 2. as above, then run fdisk to change the 4th partition entry in any way (e.g., to de-bogotify or clear it). Then you really get real slices (probably broken ones if the 4th entry is changed to anything except an entry covering the whole disk). 3. as in (2), but prepare the 4th entry before running disklabel, and skip the dd step. 4. as in (1), but leave out -B. Then you get an all-zero MBR, really without real slices. Disks configured in this way can't be booted from directly. 5. as in (1), but edit the MBR to remove the 0xAA55 signature. Then you get an ignored MBR, effectively without real slices. It may be possible to boot from disk configured in this way (depends on the BIOS). >fdisk(8) reports them as living in [fdisk] partition 4. Can't tell what >sysinstall would do in "dangerous dedicated mode" as it won't see the >drives on my second SCSI bus. :( Sysinstall doesn't seem to provide d.d. mode by default. The default for "A Use Entire Disk" seems to be to not actually use the entire disk, but to use real slices and the entire disk except for the MBR (and other sectors on the first "track"?). > fsck /dev/sd2s1e > Can't open /dev/rsd2s1e: Device not configured > fsck /dev/sd2s4e > Can't open /dev/rsd2s4e: Device not configured > > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rsd2 bs=1k count=1 > disklabel -Brw sd2s1 auto > disklabel: /dev/rsd2s1e: Device not configured > disklabel -Brw sd2s4 auto > disklabel: /dev/rsd2s4e: Device not configured > >So what's the new way? Same as before: don't use slices when you don't have them. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 21:16:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA12319 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:16:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.frihet.com (root@frihet.bayarea.net [205.219.92.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA12310 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:16:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tweten@ns.frihet.com) Received: from ns.frihet.com (tweten@localhost.frihet.com [127.0.0.1]) by ns.frihet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA00661 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:16:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tweten@ns.frihet.com) Message-Id: <199803140516.VAA00661@ns.frihet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:16:35 -0800 From: "David E. Tweten" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Okay, I'm confused, and I violated the dictum that one should never cvsup when confused by the e-mail traffic on stable. I'm running on kernel.old as I type, and I need to find out how to do better. I cvsupped everything this morning, adjusted etc files as indicated, made world, and made a new kernel. Now, every time I boot the new kernel, once it tries to mount everything from /etc/fstab it complains that the mounted root doesn't match. Well, 1. I don't need no steenkin' slices. Wd0 is "dangerously dedicated". 2. My kernel is built with "root on wd0a" 3. I boot from the default, 0:wd(0,a). 4. /etc/fstab mounts /dev/wd0a as /. 5. /dev/wd0a is the result of a "mknod /dev/wd0a b 0 0". 6. Running disklabel wd0 produces: # /dev/rwd0c: type: ESDI disk: wd1s1 label: flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 63 tracks/cylinder: 255 sectors/cylinder: 16065 cylinders: 175 sectors/unit: 2822400 rpm: 3600 interleave: 1 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 65536 0 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 4*) b: 217072 65536 swap # (Cyl. 4*- 17*) c: 2822400 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 175*) e: 61440 282608 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 17*- 21*) f: 2478352 344048 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 21*- 175*) The only strange thing here is that disklabel got the disk's identity wrong. So, as a "dangerously dedicated" kind of guy, what do I need to do in the brave new world of "Slices uber ales?" -- David E. Tweten | 2047-bit PGP fingerprint: | tweten@frihet.com 12141 Atrium Drive | E9 59 E7 5C 6B 88 B8 90 | tweten@and.com Saratoga, CA 95070-3162 | 65 30 2A A4 A0 BC 49 AE | (408) 446-4131 Those who make good products sell products; those who don't, sell solutions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 22:42:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA21279 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:42:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA21273 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:42:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA03549; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:40:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803140640.WAA03549@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "David E. Tweten" cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:16:35 PST." <199803140516.VAA00661@ns.frihet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:40:21 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Okay, I'm confused, and I violated the dictum that one should never cvsup > when confused by the e-mail traffic on stable. I'm running on kernel.old as > I type, and I need to find out how to do better. I cvsupped everything this > morning, adjusted etc files as indicated, made world, and made a new kernel. > Now, every time I boot the new kernel, once it tries to mount everything from > /etc/fstab it complains that the mounted root doesn't match. Well, > > 1. I don't need no steenkin' slices. Wd0 is "dangerously dedicated". Please define "dangerously dedicated" in terms that mean something. Specifically, you either have an "all disk slice", or you have an "historically bogus slice entry". In the first case, fdisk will show slice 1 covering the entire disk. In the second case, fdisk will show slice 3 containing 50000 blocks (24MB). > 2. My kernel is built with "root on wd0a" This is ignored. > 3. I boot from the default, 0:wd(0,a). > > 4. /etc/fstab mounts /dev/wd0a as /. If you updated mount(8) at the same time as your kernel, this wouldn't matter. > 6. Running disklabel wd0 produces: > > # /dev/rwd0c: > type: ESDI > disk: wd1s1 > label: > flags: > bytes/sector: 512 > sectors/track: 63 > tracks/cylinder: 255 > sectors/cylinder: 16065 > cylinders: 175 > sectors/unit: 2822400 > rpm: 3600 > interleave: 1 > trackskew: 0 > cylinderskew: 0 > headswitch: 0 # milliseconds > track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds > drivedata: 0 > > 8 partitions: > # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] > a: 65536 0 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 4*) > b: 217072 65536 swap # (Cyl. 4*- 17*) > c: 2822400 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - > 175*) > e: 61440 282608 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 17*- 21*) > f: 2478352 344048 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 21*- > 175*) > > The only strange thing here is that disklabel got the disk's identity > wrong. Which "identity"? The disk type (ESDI is what you get for IDE disks) or the 'disk:' field (which is almost certainly correct). > So, as a "dangerously dedicated" kind of guy, what do I need to do in the > brave new world of "Slices uber ales?" Update mount. Follow its recommentations. You may find that you have a sliced disk after all, in which case regardless of what you think you want, what you have is what you have. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 22:56:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA22910 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:56:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22905 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:56:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id GAA22057; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:55:31 GMT Message-ID: <19980313225531.44189@nuxi.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:55:31 -0800 From: "David E. O'Brien" To: Bruce Evans Cc: mike@smith.net.au, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199803140437.PAA19697@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <199803140437.PAA19697@godzilla.zeta.org.au>; from Bruce Evans on Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 03:37:00PM +1100 X-Warning: Mutt Bites! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE Organization: The NUXI *BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > disklabel -Brw sd2 auto > > No change. But with the new-style mounting, this is depreciated, no? > Same as before: don't use slices when you don't have them. But since the change went into 2.2.6-BETA, we have no choice. I couldn't mount root and the rest of my disks until I changed them to the new format. (think goodness most of the partitions were created using sysinstall!) -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 23:13:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25247 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 23:13:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA25209 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 23:13:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA03635; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 23:10:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803140710.XAA03635@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: obrien@NUXI.com cc: Bruce Evans , mike@smith.net.au, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:55:31 PST." <19980313225531.44189@nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 23:10:22 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > disklabel -Brw sd2 auto > > > > No change. > > But with the new-style mounting, this is depreciated, no? No, it's (meant to be) supported as always. > > Same as before: don't use slices when you don't have them. > > But since the change went into 2.2.6-BETA, we have no choice. I couldn't > mount root and the rest of my disks until I changed them to the new > format. (think goodness most of the partitions were created using > sysinstall!) You never had a choice, other than due to bogsity in the kernel. All that's happened is that the illusion of choice has been removed. It's no longer mandatory (or supported) to abuse the compatability slice when mounting the root filesystem. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 13 23:21:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA26645 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 23:21:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA26638 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 23:21:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA25162; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 18:16:07 +1100 Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 18:16:07 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199803140716.SAA25162@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, obrien@NUXI.com Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. Cc: mike@smith.net.au, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> > disklabel -Brw sd2 auto >> >> No change. > >But with the new-style mounting, this is depreciated, no? No. >> Same as before: don't use slices when you don't have them. > >But since the change went into 2.2.6-BETA, we have no choice. I couldn't Oops, I forgot that 2.2 was more unstable than -current. Only parts of the necessary changes went into 2.2 (as of yesterday). The dangerously dedicated case produced by `dd Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00553 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:01:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jli.com (jli.com [199.2.111.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA00545 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:01:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trost@cloud.rain.com) Received: (qmail 7638 invoked by uid 4); 14 Mar 1998 08:00:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19980314080045.7637.qmail@jli.com> Received: (qmail 390 invoked from network); 14 Mar 1998 07:48:54 -0000 Received: from softdnserror (127.0.0.1) by softdnserror with SMTP; 14 Mar 1998 07:48:54 -0000 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: problems with PPP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <386.889861733.1@cloud.rain.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 23:48:54 -0800 From: Bill Trost Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I sync'd up with stable a couple of days ago and I am having problems with ppp (used with -auto). If the IP address is not explicitly specified in ppp.conf, then outgoing packets get sent with a source address of 0.0.0.0, even though the inteface appears to be configured correctly: bash# tcpdump -n -i tun0 tcpdump: listening on tun0 23:40:00.184347 0.0.0.0.53 > 128.9.0.107.53: 58951 A? internic.net. (30) 23:40:01.194388 0.0.0.0.53 > 192.33.4.12.53: 58948 A? internic.net. (30) ^C bash# ifconfig tun0 tun0: flags=8051 mtu 1500 inet 131.252.218.8 --> 204.203.69.20 netmask 0xffff0000 The relevant bits of /etc/ppp/ppp.conf are as follows: default: set device /dev/cuaa1 set speed 57600 disable lqr deny lqr set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \"\" AT OK-AT-OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT" set ctsrts on server: set ifaddr 0 204.203.69.20 add default HISADDR I probably should be including something else, but I don't recall what.... I have tried using both the 2.2.6-BETA kernel and an earlier (January-ish) kernel that I had installed before the upgrade, but that didn't help (thereby suggesting the bug is not a recent addition to the kernel). I tried cvsupping and rebuilding ppp, but that didn't help. I tried talking to a PPP server where my IP address is statically assigned, so I could set my own ifaddr, and that *did* help. Useful comments appreciated. I might try throwing away the ppp and/or netinet sources and rebuilding, but I do not have the network bandwidth to do that available at the moment -- something about PPP problems.... (-: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 01:11:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA07289 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:11:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from luke.cpl.net (luke.cpl.net [209.150.92.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07284 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:11:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shawn@cpl.net) Received: from cpl.net (shawn.megadeth.org [209.150.92.66]) by luke.cpl.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA05509; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:10:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <350A4A08.5A4D8CA1@cpl.net> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:12:40 -0800 From: Shawn Ramsey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom CC: Shawn Ramsey , Scot Elliott , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Well, suddenly your system doesn't have a libc_r anymore, after you > rename it. Thats true, but MySQL was the only thing that is using it. > > properly, but getting all the Mysqlperl stuff installed seemed to be like > > a lot of work the first time. Does the new libc_r require a make world? > > The computer our MySQL is on will not do a make world. I have no idea why, > > Jordan mentioned a possible reason is a bad cache.. > > Ugh... if your computer will not buildworld, it is not stable, period. Thats true, but it has not crashed in quite a long time. Im going to try a make world again soon, but I doubt it will work. Im going to replace the motherboard soon... Its a crappy Intel FX board that came with a Gateway. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 01:27:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA09374 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:27:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA09368 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:27:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA03926; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:26:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: tom@uniserve.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:52:13 PST." <199803132352.PAA14144@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:26:32 -0800 Message-ID: <3922.889867592@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I hearby grant to Jordan K. Hubbard a PHD in Release Engineering > from the school of Hard Knocks, congradulations and my hats off to you!!! Aw shucks, thanks! And here I always thought you were just being over-conservative all those years. :-) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 01:50:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA10993 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:50:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA10988 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:50:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA04249; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:50:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <350A52DD.8330A0AD@dal.net> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:50:21 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA-0313 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug White CC: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Doug White wrote: > Speaking of FAQ, it may be useful to do some preemptive customer support > and add a FAQ question for it. That and a big fat section in the -announce post. > > P.S. As has been covered in *great* detail this last week, and as is > > also available via the mailing list archives, edit /dev/wd0a to be the > > fully-slice-qualified name, like the other entries. e.g. /dev/wd0s1a. > > I think I'll have to join Paul in questioning whether this breakage is > going to make 2.2.6 a support nightmare. I don't want this to become > another ``unknown login class root''-style hailstorm. :-( I don't think it will. For one thing that login class root problem was an error, it was caused by an actual mistake. For another, it affected every person who installed, even on a new system. So far the only people who've been caught by this problem are people who aren't paying attention to the lists and have done various (and varying degrees of) stupid things to make their life more difficult. Proper announcements, maybe a README.IMPORTANT file in the distribution and you'll solve the problem for 99% of the people. There will always be clueless people who won't take the first step to help themselves, but my understanding is that this change is worth the momentary pain it will produce. In fact, I've had evil thoughts about enabling a new kernel feature and then announcing on the mailing lists how to disable it. This feature will bring your system to a grinding halt while it's booting and splash a screen that derides the person for upgrading without following the mailing list. :) *Chuckling* Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 02:04:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA12687 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 02:04:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA12682 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 02:04:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA06808; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 02:03:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: obrien@NUXI.com cc: Tom , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:31:34 PST." <19980313163134.04622@nuxi.com> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 02:03:20 -0800 Message-ID: <6805.889869800@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Can this at least be added ("WANT_LIBC_R=false") and documented in > /etc/make.conf? As long as "false" does the obvious thing (and it's not an .if defined(...) statement in the usage which would obviously cause "false" to be "true") I have no problems with that. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 02:06:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA12836 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 02:06:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgate22 (mailgate22-hme0.a001.sprintmail.com [205.137.196.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA12831 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 02:06:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from leclaire@sprintmail.com) Received: by mailgate22 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id CAA23931; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 02:03:29 -0800 Received: from sdn-ts-003txfwo8p11.dialsprint.net(206.133.157.62) by mailfep3-hme1 via d.SPEbin-1.20,43b3b3 id Q_10.1.1.8/Q_8943_1_3509c382; Fri Mar 13 23:38:42 1998 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:38:33 -0500 (EST) From: Andre LeClaire X-Sender: leclaire@farout.lostfork.net Reply-To: Andre LeClaire To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG cc: mike@smith.net.au Subject: root filesystem changes (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I sent this message a couple of days ago, but I think it didn't make it onto the list, so I'm trying again. I've since installed 2.2.6-BETA on two other machines, with the same result. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:42:48 -0500 (EST) From: Andre LeClaire To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: root filesystem changes Well, I did a cvsup and make world yesterday, and now I'm running 2.2.6-BETA! As expected (from reading messages on this list), I was advised upon bootup to modify /etc/fstab to use wd0s2a for /,which I did. Now I notice the kernel reporting: "changing root device to wd0s3a" at boot time. Can this be right? There are only two partitions on the drive: dos on wd0s1 and FreeBSD on wd0s2. Where did wd0s3a come from? Andre _______________________________________________________________________ dmesg output follows: CPU: i486 DX4 (486-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x483 Stepping=3 Features=0xb real memory = 16777216 (16384K bytes) avail memory = 14778368 (14432K bytes) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0 rev 4 on pci0:16:0 chip1 rev 14 on pci0:18:0 pci0:18:1: UMC, device=0x673a, class=storage (ide) [no driver assigned] Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0 at 0x300-0x31f irq 5 on isa ed0: address 00:c0:a8:45:19:c9, type NE2000 (16 bit) sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 348MB (713472 sectors), 929 cyls, 16 heads, 48 S/T, 512 B/S matcd - Matsushita (Panasonic) CD-ROM Driver by FDIV, Version 1(26) 18-Oct-95 matcdc0 at 0x340-0x343 on isa matcdc0 Host interface type 1 matcd0: [CR-5625.00] npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface changing root device to wd0s3a ____________________________________________________________________ df -k reports: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/wd0s2a 31775 14607 14626 50% / /dev/wd0s2f 147935 106599 29502 78% /usr /dev/wd0s2e 9247 879 7629 10% /var procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 03:10:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA19560 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 03:10:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from angmar.mel.cybec.com.au (angmar.mel.cybec.com.au [203.103.154.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA19553 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 03:10:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lodea@angmar.mel.cybec.com.au) Received: from localhost (lodea@localhost) by angmar.mel.cybec.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA09408; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:10:30 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:10:30 +1100 (EST) From: "Lachlan O'Dea" To: Tom cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Tom wrote: > > mit-pthreads actually. However, using mit-phreads results in a slower, > somewhat crippled build of MySQL. However, the fact that MySQL bundles > in mit-pthreads in nice. The LDAP stuff only works with libc_r though. > > > Or am I missing something here? > > Yes. libc_r is the best Posix threads implementation for FreeBSD. > Either ports use a crippled lib like the mit-pthreads (which does not > support pipes for one), or in some cases they can't be built at all > (LDAP). I'm running the LDAP port here. When I installed it I didn't even know libc_r existed, and I've never built it. The UMich LDAP appears to have a fall-back for systems lacking threads support. Unfortunately it is buggy in this case, it kept eating 100% of the CPU. I've managed to hack the source to fix this, however. Of course, I'm sure LDAP performs better with pthreads than without. =================================================================== Lachlan O'Dea FreeBSD rocks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 03:29:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA22103 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 03:29:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from conductor.synapse.net (conductor.synapse.net [199.84.54.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA22098 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 03:29:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from evanc@synapse.net) Received: (qmail 8021 invoked from network); 14 Mar 1998 11:29:09 -0000 Received: from cpu1970.adsl.bellglobal.com (HELO cello) (206.47.37.201) by conductor.synapse.net with SMTP; 14 Mar 1998 11:29:09 -0000 Message-ID: <006301bd4f3c$753e2140$c9252fce@cello.synapse.net> From: "Evan Champion" To: , "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: "Tom" , Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:29:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> Can this at least be added ("WANT_LIBC_R=false") and documented in >> /etc/make.conf? > >As long as "false" does the obvious thing (and it's not an .if defined(...) >statement in the usage which would obviously cause "false" to be "true") >I have no problems with that. How is that different than the rest of /etc/make.conf? #WANT_CSRG_LIBM= yes #WANT_LIBC_R= yes (true/false seem to go on things that begin with NO, ie: NOPORTDOCS=true). Evan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 03:41:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA24167 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 03:41:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA24079 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 03:41:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA08279; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 03:39:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: "Evan Champion" cc: obrien@NUXI.com, "Tom" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:29:31 EST." <006301bd4f3c$753e2140$c9252fce@cello.synapse.net> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 03:39:48 -0800 Message-ID: <8275.889875588@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > How is that different than the rest of /etc/make.conf? > > #WANT_CSRG_LIBM= yes > #WANT_LIBC_R= yes Because if you uncommented and defined WANT_CSRG_LIBM= no you might be surprised to find that it still built the CSRG libm. Actual values of "true" and "false" are completely irrelevant - you could put "zippy" and "pinhead" there for all the relevance the values have. :-) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 04:17:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA01028 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 04:17:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA01016 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 04:17:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from [208.2.87.4] (user4.dataplex.net [208.2.87.4]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA19935; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:17:01 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <350A52DD.8330A0AD@dal.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:02:29 -0600 To: Studded From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 3:50 AM -0600 3/14/98, Studded wrote: >> I think I'll have to join Paul in questioning whether this breakage is >> going to make 2.2.6 a support nightmare. I don't want this to become >> another ``unknown login class root''-style hailstorm. :-( > > I don't think it will. For one thing that login class root problem was >an error, it was caused by an actual mistake. For another, it affected >every person who installed, even on a new system. So far the only people >who've been caught by this problem are people who aren't paying >attention to the lists and have done various (and varying degrees of) >stupid things to make their life more difficult. This is not true. I, for one, have been following the lists. Further, I don't think that it is fair to characterize "using the format that has been on the disk 'forever' (pre slice)" as a "stupid thing" to have done. At the present time, the code is "broken". PERIOD. I'm sure that it will get fixed before the release, but .... Richard Wackerbarth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 04:42:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA04114 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 04:42:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA04105 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 04:42:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA10021; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:35:57 GMT (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199803141235.MAA10021@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Bill Trost cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problems with PPP In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Mar 1998 23:48:54 PST." <19980314080045.7637.qmail@jli.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:35:57 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As I already replied in personal email (although not to the original sender :-() This looks like a ``first connection'' problem. There's a bit in the FAQ about it. If you're running in -auto mode, the first program to trigger the dial will bind to the interface address of the tun device - in your config, this is 0.0.0.0 before the connection is made. Once the connection is established, the interface addresses are corrected and subsequent bind()s will work - but the pre-negotiation bind()s are still bogus :-( This is a serious problem that will be sorted at some point - after I've got the multilink stuff done :-] > I sync'd up with stable a couple of days ago and > I am having problems with ppp (used with -auto). If the IP address is not > explicitly specified in ppp.conf, then outgoing packets get sent with a source > address of 0.0.0.0, even though the inteface appears to be configured correctly: > > bash# tcpdump -n -i tun0 > tcpdump: listening on tun0 > 23:40:00.184347 0.0.0.0.53 > 128.9.0.107.53: 58951 A? internic.net. (30) > 23:40:01.194388 0.0.0.0.53 > 192.33.4.12.53: 58948 A? internic.net. (30) > ^C > bash# ifconfig tun0 > tun0: flags=8051 mtu 1500 > inet 131.252.218.8 --> 204.203.69.20 netmask 0xffff0000 > > > The relevant bits of /etc/ppp/ppp.conf are as follows: > > default: > set device /dev/cuaa1 > set speed 57600 > disable lqr > deny lqr > set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \"\" AT OK-AT-OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT" > set ctsrts on > server: > set ifaddr 0 204.203.69.20 > add default HISADDR > > > I probably should be including something else, but I don't recall what.... > > I have tried using both the 2.2.6-BETA kernel and an earlier (January-ish) > kernel that I had installed before the upgrade, but that didn't help (thereby > suggesting the bug is not a recent addition to the kernel). I tried cvsupping > and rebuilding ppp, but that didn't help. I tried talking to a PPP server > where my IP address is statically assigned, so I could set my own ifaddr, and > that *did* help. > > Useful comments appreciated. I might try throwing away the ppp and/or netinet > sources and rebuilding, but I do not have the network bandwidth to do that > available at the moment -- something about PPP problems.... (-: > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 06:04:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA09969 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:04:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from netcom1.netcom.com (mvh@netcom14.netcom.com [192.100.81.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA09961 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:04:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvh@netcom.com) Received: (from mvh@localhost) by netcom1.netcom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA02166; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:04:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvh) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:04:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803141404.GAA02166@netcom1.netcom.com> From: "Michael V. Harding" To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Um, a modest proposal (slices/mount) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Before the flamefest becomes a firestorm... Why not modify the kernel makefile so it won't do an install (or perhaps a build) if the wrong mount is installed? I don't know how to check version of Unix files - sorry if this is not practical... Mike Harding To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 06:46:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA13308 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:46:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA13286; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:46:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from trojanhorse.pr.watson.org (trojanhorse.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.10]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA00479; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:45:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:45:14 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: Mike Smith cc: Doug White , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Aleksey Zvyagin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. In-Reply-To: <199803140337.TAA03072@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > P.S. As has been covered in *great* detail this last week, and as is > > > also available via the mailing list archives, edit /dev/wd0a to be the > > > fully-slice-qualified name, like the other entries. e.g. /dev/wd0s1a. > > > > I think I'll have to join Paul in questioning whether this breakage is > > going to make 2.2.6 a support nightmare. I don't want this to become > > another ``unknown login class root''-style hailstorm. :-( > > If you update /sbin/mount at the same time, it's a no-op. I got bitten > by the two different "dedicated" disk types issue though; that hurt. > The fix is still being tested in -current, but I haven't heard any > complaints about it, so I was planning to bring it over tonight. > > I think it was my turn to be bitten by a "this is simple and innocouous > and will reduce world ugliness" change. 8( In fact, there are situations where the upgrade of /sbin/mount and the kernel at the same time on a "sliced" machine *WILL NOT WORK*. I just got bitten by this about 4 hours ago -- or rather, 30 minutes ago. My main server machines reboot at a nasty time on a Saturday morning (nasty EST, that is :). I upgraded all of them to a recent (Mar 9) -STABLE kernel and mount. The main server machine did not come up. Reason? Because the slice arrangement was like this, left over from the days before >1024 cylinder boot: /dev/wd0s1a on / /dev/wd0s2e on /usr /dev/wd0s2f on /homea /dev/wd2s1a on /homeb /dev/sd0a on /homec /dev/sd1s1e on /home /dev/wd0s2h on /usr/var/mail That is, there are two slices on wd0, the boot device. The a partition (wd0a) completely fills wd0s1. The other three partitions on wd0 are in wd0s2. So the unfortunate news is that /dev/wd0s1a DID NOT EXIST. The 2.0.5 install floppy that originally built the machine never created the slice entries in /dev, and therefore the remount from root_device to /dev/wd0s1a failed. Talk about sucky. The root_device is read-only by definition, and now one is at a single-user shell but cannot write to the device to create a device node, and cannot remount to make it writable. :) While this is definitely fixable, it is fairly sucky. :) So really the text in the FAQ needs also to do this: Step 2: Verify that all the compatibility slice entries in your /etc/fstab also have standard /dev slice entries. If necessary, create them using MAKEDEV *before* rebooting or modifying fstab (do not caught with your pants down if there is power loss). And maybe references to how to use MAKEDEV. All of our -stable test machines came up fine after the change, so I went ahead and rolled it onto our main servers. Big mistake. :) Would really have sucked if I wasn't local -- which I am not 3 months of the year. Sorry to whine, but it was a generally unpleasent experience. I should have checked more carefully, but to be honest, I probably never thought to create the slice /dev entries later because they were never used. I have upgraded the machine from 2.0.5 up through 2.2.2 before switching to -STABLE and never had a problem. :) Robert N Watson Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 06:53:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA14508 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:53:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA14495 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:53:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from trojanhorse.pr.watson.org (trojanhorse.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.10]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA00570; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:53:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:52:48 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: Studded cc: Doug White , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. In-Reply-To: <350A52DD.8330A0AD@dal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Studded wrote: > In fact, I've had evil thoughts about enabling a new kernel feature and > then announcing on the mailing lists how to disable it. This feature > will bring your system to a grinding halt while it's booting and splash > a screen that derides the person for upgrading without following the > mailing list. :) See, the problem here was the 3-hour warning. I read my -stable mail, then did a cvsup and rebuilt world, and then fortunately checked my email again before doing an installworld. At that point the email had come in, so I backed out the changes and sent email to Mike to verify the file version numbers that it applied to. You may feel free to add your feature, but give a *HEADS UP* at least 48 hours in advance. Remember that cvsup's and builds take time, so you probably want to allow at least 4*foo where foo is someone's cvsup/build/install time. foo might appropriately be 10 hours, although recent worldstone tests indicate your mileage may vary. My build machine is a P120 w/96Mb of memory and source on fast SCSI, so it's more like 5 hours for me. And then I got bitten anyway, of course, but.. :) Robert N Watson Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 07:20:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA18498 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:20:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from conductor.synapse.net (conductor.synapse.net [199.84.54.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA18490 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:20:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from evanc@synapse.net) Received: (qmail 4572 invoked from network); 14 Mar 1998 15:20:22 -0000 Received: from cpu1970.adsl.bellglobal.com (HELO cello) (206.47.37.201) by conductor.synapse.net with SMTP; 14 Mar 1998 15:20:22 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01bd4f5c$c21a7020$c9252fce@cello.synapse.net> From: "Evan Champion" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: , "Tom" , Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:20:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >Because if you uncommented and defined WANT_CSRG_LIBM= no you might be >surprised to find that it still built the CSRG libm. Actual values of >"true" and "false" are completely irrelevant - you could put "zippy" >and "pinhead" there for all the relevance the values have. :-) Well maybe that is something that aught to be fixed then :-) Evan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 07:26:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA19605 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:26:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from itsdsv1.enc.edu (fw1.enc.edu [207.95.42.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA19597 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:26:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owensc@enc.edu) Received: from itsdsv2.enc.edu (itsdsv2.enc.edu [10.1.1.9]) by itsdsv1.enc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08776; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:22:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:22:34 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Owens To: Ted Spradley cc: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: Re: make world [reinstall, actually] weirdness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Ted Spradley wrote: > > > install: libalias_p.a: No such file or directory > > *** Error code 71 > > > > Stop. > > You've been reading the worldstone thread, and you saw that 'make world' > goes faster with -DNOPROFILE, so you tried it without finding out what > it means. > > It means, don't bother building the profiling version of all those > libraries, that is, the ones with the _p added to the name. That's why > it's quicker. Ah-HA!! You're right, I did specify NOPROFILE, but I did it in /etc/make.conf, not on the command-line. I did so _not_ because of the "worldstone thread" that you mention but simply because of the the way the option is listed in /etc/make.conf without any warnings (like "make world may fail if you do this," or something). Thanks for the pointer! --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles N. Owens Email: owensc@enc.edu http://www.enc.edu/~owensc Network & Systems Administrator Information Technology Services "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's Eastern Nazarene College best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 07:53:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA22025 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:53:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from itsdsv1.enc.edu (fw1.enc.edu [207.95.42.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA22012 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:53:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owensc@enc.edu) Received: from itsdsv2.enc.edu (itsdsv2.enc.edu [10.1.1.9]) by itsdsv1.enc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09115 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:50:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:50:40 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Owens To: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: any problem moving from CURRENT back to STABLE? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, I have a system with CURRENT running on it. Will I have any problems if I try to move back to STABLE by doing a 'make world' of a locally installed STABLE source tree? I can imagine that having libraries overwritten by earlier versions might cause some confusion. I (blush) inadvertantly upgraded to CURRENT yesterday. I rechecked out the source tree but, being a bit green with cvs, this time I forgot to specify the RELENG_2_2 tag (duh...). Didn't notice until after I rebooted (duh again.) :-| It is impressive (to me), however, how easy it is to move up to current! Thanks, --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles N. Owens Email: owensc@enc.edu http://www.enc.edu/~owensc Network & Systems Administrator Information Technology Services "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's Eastern Nazarene College best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 07:55:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA22579 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:55:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pandora.hh.kew.com (root@kendra.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.94.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA22540 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:55:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ahd@kew.com) Received: from sonata.uucp.kew.com (sonata.hh.kew.com [192.168.203.135]) by pandora.hh.kew.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA23622; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:54:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by sonata.uucp.kew.com (UUPC/extended 1.12x); Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:54:50 -0500 Message-ID: <350aa84a.kew-sonata@sonata.uucp.kew.com> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:54:41 -0500 From: "Drew Derbyshire" Organization: Kendra Electronic Wonderworks (PO Box 80144, Stoneham MA 02180) To: "Robert Watson" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:52:48 -0500 (EST), "Robert Watson" wrote: > On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Studded wrote: > See, the problem here was the 3-hour warning. I read my -stable mail, > then did a cvsup and rebuilt world, and then fortunately checked my email > again before doing an installworld. At that point the email had come in, > so I backed out the changes and sent email to Mike to verify the file > version numbers that it applied to. You may feel free to add your > feature, but give a *HEADS UP* at least 48 hours in advance. Remember > that cvsup's and builds take time, so you probably want to allow at least > 4*foo where foo is someone's cvsup/build/install time. foo might > appropriately be 10 hours, although recent worldstone tests indicate your > mileage may vary. My build machine is a P120 w/96Mb of memory and source > on fast SCSI, so it's more like 5 hours for me. Make world is in excess of 24 hours for those of who test on older hardware (386) class. -- Internet: ahd@kew.com Voice: 781-279-9812 MASOCHIST: Windows SDK programmer with a smile! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 07:57:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23172 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:57:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bsampley.vip.best.com (bsampley.vip.best.com [206.184.160.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23116 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:57:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsampley@best.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bsampley.vip.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA00212 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:55:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsampley@best.com) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:55:01 -0800 (PST) From: Burton Sampley X-Sender: bsampley@bsampley.vip.best.com To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More problems with new slice code In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- For anyone interested, I found a solution to the problem described below. I just cd'ed in /dev/ and ran ./MAKEDEV for each slice being used. I then modified /etc/fstab with the correct slices for each filesystem and booted under the new kernel. Everything has gone perfect after. Thanks to all that have tried to help. - -burton- - --------------- Burton Sampley bsampley@best.com or bsampley@haywire.csuhayward.edu PGP key available at http://www.best.com/~bsampley/pgp.html On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Burton Sampley wrote: > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:39:42 -0800 (PST) > From: Burton Sampley > To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: More problems with new slice code > > | Pretty Good Privacy(tm) 2.6.2 - Public-key encryption for the masses. > | (c) 1990-1994 Philip Zimmermann, Phil's Pretty Good Software. 11 Oct 94 > | Uses the RSAREF(tm) Toolkit, which is copyright RSA Data Security, Inc. > | Distributed by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. > | Export of this software may be restricted by the U.S. government. > | Current time: 1998/03/14 15:50 GMT > | > | File has signature. Public key is required to check signature. . > | Good signature from user "bsampley". > | Signature made 1998/03/13 20:40 GMT > > Greetings, > > Has anyone else run into this problem: > > Some time ago, in a past life, I ran /dev/MAKEDEV all. The next time I > rebooted the system it puked into single user mode because apparently all > the slice info had been blown away. Now when I try to convert over the > the new slice code (last cvsup'ed and make world as of 980312 for -stable) > it dies on mounting root. Since I cvsup'ed 4 days after the commit I'm > assuming I also have the necessary changes to mount. When my system boots > under the new kernel with my original /etc/fstab file all the files > systems appear to come up clean except for that nasty little note which > says: > > /dev/sd0a on /: Specified device does not match mounted device > > KABOOM ---> single user mode > > /sbin/mount > root_device on / (local, read-only) > > > > Here's my original /etc/fstab: > > bsampley(102)% cat /etc/fstab > # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump > Pass# > /dev/sd0b none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/sd0a / ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd0g /usr ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/sd0f /usr/obj ufs rw,noatime,async 2 > 2 > /dev/sd0e /var ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/sd1e /usr/src ufs rw,noatime,async 2 > 2 > proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 > /dev/cd0c /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 > bsampley(103)% > > > I also tried it with root pointing to /dev/sd0s1a and /dev/sd0s2a, both > bombed out before checking the file systems. Please note, this is a NON > dangerously dedicated disk. It shares with M$ (for games only) and Linux > (just to goof around with). > > Any ideas? > > --------------- > > Burton Sampley > bsampley@best.com or bsampley@haywire.csuhayward.edu > PGP key available at http://www.best.com/~bsampley/pgp.html > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNQqoZnt2O8KJtMdBAQF9zAQAklsT/iqNHlTrnGBOow7jsjZySgFB5OFg ZYzMjoRknlnJH/qkU6vEeYXdsYVokTUCqYl7K7b2vEWh866mmtnXQT6jnL8nJFUJ ersGHlbmhK//h+ZdZX7cka8hhaDl85gjo3H4e5TTkMZH09vxfYhc604CvKSREOuJ QjEnncYsOvE= =A2Qv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 07:58:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23436 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:58:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23386 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:58:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00918; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:54:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: "Evan Champion" cc: obrien@NUXI.com, "Tom" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:20:44 EST." <000a01bd4f5c$c21a7020$c9252fce@cello.synapse.net> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 07:54:58 -0800 Message-ID: <915.889890898@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Well maybe that is something that aught to be fixed then :-) Send diffs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 08:31:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27560 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:31:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from helios.dnttm.ru (root@dnttm-gw.rssi.ru [193.232.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA27551 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:31:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by helios.dnttm.ru (8.8.5/8.8.5/IP-3) with UUCP id TAA21958; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:28:17 +0300 Received: from tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA01008; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:25:21 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Message-Id: <199803141625.TAA01008@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Mike Smith cc: "David E. Tweten" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:40:21 PST." <199803140640.WAA03549@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:25:20 +0300 From: Dmitrij Tejblum Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Mike Smith wrote: > > 1. I don't need no steenkin' slices. Wd0 is "dangerously dedicated". > > Please define "dangerously dedicated" in terms that mean something. > > Specifically, you either have an "all disk slice", or you have an > "historically bogus slice entry". > > In the first case, fdisk will show slice 1 covering the entire disk. > In the second case, fdisk will show slice 3 containing 50000 blocks > (24MB). My wd1 is "all disk slice". The "first slice" started at cyl 0, head 0, sector 1 and cover all wd1. (Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 :) This is how sysinstall creates "dangerously dedicated" disk. > > > So, as a "dangerously dedicated" kind of guy, what do I need to do in the > > brave new world of "Slices uber ales?" > > Update mount. Follow its recommentations. You may find that you have > a sliced disk after all, in which case regardless of what you think you > want, what you have is what you have. Hmm, I have sort of sliced disk, since it has a valid slice entry in partition table. This all is not matter much, since wd1s1a is what new mount suggest, and the only device that old mount accept as the root device. So, my "not-that-dangerously dedicated" disk now "dangerously not-that-dedicated". :) Oh well... Dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 08:36:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA28346 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:36:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from helios.dnttm.ru (root@dnttm-gw.rssi.ru [193.232.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA28328 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:36:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by helios.dnttm.ru (8.8.5/8.8.5/IP-3) with UUCP id TAA21959; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:28:18 +0300 Received: from tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA01024; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:25:37 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Message-Id: <199803141625.TAA01024@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Mike Smith cc: obrien@NUXI.com, Bruce Evans , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Mar 1998 23:10:22 PST." <199803140710.XAA03635@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:25:37 +0300 From: Dmitrij Tejblum Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Mike Smith wrote: > You never had a choice, other than due to bogsity in the kernel. All > that's happened is that the illusion of choice has been removed. It's > no longer mandatory (or supported) to abuse the compatability slice > when mounting the root filesystem. But now I still can mount /usr both as wd1s1f and as wd1f. Root is the only filesystem that I must mount as wd1s1a (and cannot as wd1a). So, previous behavior was, probably, more consistent (from user's point of view). Good luck. Dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 08:36:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA28387 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:36:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jli.com (jli.com [199.2.111.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA28329 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:36:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trost@cloud.rain.com) Received: (qmail 11328 invoked by uid 4); 14 Mar 1998 16:35:55 -0000 Message-ID: <19980314163555.11327.qmail@jli.com> Received: (qmail 4011 invoked from network); 14 Mar 1998 16:35:06 -0000 Received: from softdnserror (127.0.0.1) by softdnserror with SMTP; 14 Mar 1998 16:35:06 -0000 To: Brian Somers Subject: Re: problems with PPP cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199803141235.MAA10021@awfulhak.org> In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:35:57 GMT. <199803141235.MAA10021@awfulhak.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <4007.889893304.1@cloud.rain.com> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:35:05 -0800 From: Bill Trost Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Brian Somers writes: This looks like a ``first connection'' problem. There's a bit in the FAQ about it. If you're running in -auto mode, the first program to trigger the dial will bind to the interface address of the tun device - in your config, this is 0.0.0.0 before the connection is made. I don't think that is the problem. If I run ping or dig after the link has come up, it's still using 0.0.0.0 as the source address. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 08:38:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA28600 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:38:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from helios.dnttm.ru (root@dnttm-gw.rssi.ru [193.232.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA28533; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:37:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by helios.dnttm.ru (8.8.5/8.8.5/IP-3) with UUCP id TAA21954; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:28:11 +0300 Received: from tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA00972; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:23:35 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Message-Id: <199803141623.TAA00972@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Bruce Evans cc: mike@smith.net.au, obrien@NUXI.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG, joerg@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:37:00 +1100." <199803140437.PAA19697@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:23:35 +0300 From: Dmitrij Tejblum Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Bruce Evans wrote: > > Sysinstall doesn't seem to provide d.d. mode by default. The default > for "A Use Entire Disk" seems to be to not actually use the entire > disk, but to use real slices and the entire disk except for the MBR > (and other sectors on the first "track"?). > Sysinstall _provide_ "dangerous dedicated" mode, but don't "turn it on" by default. After "A Use Entire Disk" it ask: Do you want to do this with a true partition entry so as to remain cooperative with any future possible operating systems on the drive(s)? (See also the section about ``dangerously dedicated'' disks in the FreeBSD FAQ.) If press Enter, (answer "Yes"), it leaves out the first "track". If answer "No", it will use entire disk (dangerously dedicated), and create correct entry in the partition table. Dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 09:43:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08450 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:43:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jli.com (jli.com [199.2.111.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA08440 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:43:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trost@cloud.rain.com) Received: (qmail 11771 invoked by uid 4); 14 Mar 1998 17:42:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19980314174238.11770.qmail@jli.com> Received: (qmail 4464 invoked from network); 14 Mar 1998 17:20:33 -0000 Received: from localhost.cloud.rain.com (127.0.0.1) by localhost.cloud.rain.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 1998 17:20:33 -0000 Subject: Re: problems with PPP References: <19980314080045.7637.qmail@jli.com> In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 13 Mar 1998 23:48:54 PST. <19980314080045.7637.qmail@jli.com> To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <4460.889896033.1@cloud.rain.com> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:20:33 -0800 From: Bill Trost Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Bill Trost (that's me!) writes: I have tried using both the 2.2.6-BETA kernel and an earlier (January-ish) kernel that I had installed before the upgrade, but that didn't help (thereby suggesting the bug is not a recent addition to the kernel). I tried cvsupping and rebuilding ppp, but that didn't help. I tried talking to a PPP server where my IP address is statically assigned, so I could set my own ifaddr, and that *did* help. One more datum -- I restored an older version of ppp (built on or before December 15) and everything now works. Why the PPP daemon affects the source address on IP headers is confusing to me; I must not understand how the tunnel device works.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 09:56:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA11343 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:56:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from helios.dnttm.ru (root@dnttm-gw.rssi.ru [193.232.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11337 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:56:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by helios.dnttm.ru (8.8.5/8.8.5/IP-3) with UUCP id UAA23527; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:49:54 +0300 Received: from tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA01819; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:59:34 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Message-Id: <199803141759.UAA01819@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 cc: Mike Smith , obrien@NUXI.com, Bruce Evans , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:25:37 +0300." <199803141625.TAA01024@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:59:34 +0300 From: Dmitrij Tejblum Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Dmitrij Tejblum wrote: > Mike Smith wrote: > > You never had a choice, other than due to bogsity in the kernel. All > > that's happened is that the illusion of choice has been removed. It's > > no longer mandatory (or supported) to abuse the compatability slice > > when mounting the root filesystem. > > But now I still can mount /usr both as wd1s1f and as wd1f. Root is the > only filesystem that I must mount as wd1s1a (and cannot as wd1a). So, > previous behavior was, probably, more consistent (from user's point of > view). > Oops, apparently, this is not all true. Apparently, root is always was only filesystem (here) that accepted only one way of mounting, and now, with new mount, I have two way for mounting root (though one of them cause the warning). So, new behavior is more consistent. Sorry. Dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 10:07:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13286 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:07:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13247 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:07:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from trojanhorse.pr.watson.org (trojanhorse.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.10]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id NAA04370; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:06:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:06:23 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: Burton Sampley cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More problems with new slice code In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Burton Sampley wrote: > For anyone interested, I found a solution to the problem described below. > I just cd'ed in /dev/ and ran ./MAKEDEV for each slice being used. I then > modified /etc/fstab with the correct slices for each filesystem and booted > under the new kernel. Everything has gone perfect after. I had a similar nasty experience. It was made nastier by the fact that I did a MAKEDEV and then booted without changing fstab -- MAKEDEV deleted my wd0a /dev entries, putting me back in single user mode again! There seem to be some transaction problems with the current arrangement, but they largely have to do with slightly irregular slice configurations (such as my config with two slices, only the a partition on the first, and a failure to have the /dev entries). Robert N Watson Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 10:12:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14519 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:12:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from soli.inav.net (soli.inav.net [199.120.107.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14512 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:12:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dphill@inav.net) Received: from deanstoy.inav.net (dip235.inav.net [205.160.208.105]) by soli.inav.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA12332 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:03:14 -0600 Received: (from dean@localhost) by deanstoy.inav.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id LAA00427; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:59:48 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:59:48 -0600 (CST) From: "Dean M. Phillips" Message-Id: <199803141759.LAA00427@deanstoy.inav.net> To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: "changing root device..." off by one slice Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I compiled the FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA #1 last night and on boot it displayed: changing root device to wd0s2a The correct root device is wd0s1a. The /etc/fstab file specifies wd0s1a and there are no complaints from mount. df and mount both report the correct device name. The sources were downloaded with cvsup ending at 19:43 CST March 13. -- Dean M. Phillips http://soli.inav.net/~dphill dphill@inav.net Office: 319-295-0407 Home: 319-373-9825 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 10:13:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14631 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:13:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shaw.fidalgo.net (root@shaw.fidalgo.net [206.129.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14614 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:13:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@godsey.net) Received: from orbit (godsey.fidalgo.net [206.129.156.164]) by shaw.fidalgo.net (8.8.8/8.8) with SMTP id KAA22002 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:13:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004a01bd4f74$c2ad9b80$a49c81ce@orbit> From: "Jason Godsey" To: Subject: problem after make world w/ ports Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:12:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk After make world last night, when I try to build a port I get the following: (root@shaw) /usr/ports/databases/mysql $ make ===> mysql-3.21.21b : You have an old file (/usr/local/lib/tkConfig.sh) that could cause problems for some ports to compile. Please remove it and try again. You may have to reinstall tk from the ports tree afterwards. If I copy /usr/share/mk/* from an older system over it will ftp the source, decompress, and try to configure where it fails. Is it something I did wrong? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 11:04:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19847 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:04:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from netcom1.netcom.com (mvh@netcom14.netcom.com [192.100.81.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19835 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:04:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvh@netcom.com) Received: (from mvh@localhost) by netcom1.netcom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26384; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:04:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvh) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:04:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803141904.LAA26384@netcom1.netcom.com> From: "Michael V. Harding" To: robert+freebsd@cyrus.watson.org CC: bsampley@best.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Robert Watson on Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:06:23 -0500 (EST)) Subject: Re: More problems with new slice code References: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I and everyone I know has been bitten by ./MAKEDEV deleting existing slices. This can make the system fail in a way that can take up to a day of headscratching to fix. And you can't even read the man pages. Could ./MAKEDEV make all slices by default, instead? Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:06:23 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-UIDL: 3006ebd6af756621c094b935215fb7ba On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Burton Sampley wrote: > For anyone interested, I found a solution to the problem described below. > I just cd'ed in /dev/ and ran ./MAKEDEV for each slice being used. I then > modified /etc/fstab with the correct slices for each filesystem and booted > under the new kernel. Everything has gone perfect after. I had a similar nasty experience. It was made nastier by the fact that I did a MAKEDEV and then booted without changing fstab -- MAKEDEV deleted my wd0a /dev entries, putting me back in single user mode again! There seem to be some transaction problems with the current arrangement, but they largely have to do with slightly irregular slice configurations (such as my config with two slices, only the a partition on the first, and a failure to have the /dev entries). Robert N Watson Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 11:14:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA20794 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:14:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA20758 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:13:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from trojanhorse.pr.watson.org (trojanhorse.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.10]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA05368; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:13:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:13:11 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: "Michael V. Harding" cc: bsampley@best.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More problems with new slice code In-Reply-To: <199803141904.LAA26384@netcom1.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Michael V. Harding wrote: > I and everyone I know has been bitten by ./MAKEDEV deleting existing > slices. This can make the system fail in a way that can take up to a > day of headscratching to fix. And you can't even read the man pages. > > Could ./MAKEDEV make all slices by default, instead? Or, maybe MAKEDEV should MAKE DEVICES and not DELETE DEVICES. :) Anyone can rm a device node. But creating them requires a priori knowledge of device numbers, etc. Robert N Watson Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 11:17:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21180 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:17:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21165; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:16:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA19180; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:12:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:12:27 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Aleksey Zvyagin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. In-Reply-To: <1159.889807711@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Help me, please anyone. > > I used the cvsup utility for a upgrade from 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE > > (only the 'src-sys' capability) > > Sigh.. This has been talked about for at least the last week in the > -stable. > > Perhaps it's time to make subscription to the list *mandatory* before > someone is allowed to cvsup the -stable bits? We're just going to get > FAQ'd to death in the future if we don't do something like this, I'm > really worried about that. > > P.S. As has been covered in *great* detail this last week, and as is > also available via the mailing list archives, edit /dev/wd0a to be the > fully-slice-qualified name, like the other entries. e.g. /dev/wd0s1a. > > Jordan This is a recurring problem. In an earlier version of -stable there was the login.conf problem and also at some time the need to add something to /etc/group. Obviously it doesn't work to respond to questions in freebsd-questions (people don't read it until they run into trouble) or the newsgroup. And not everyone subscribes to -stable. What you need is a README file that arrives with the sources and ends up in /usr/src and has the latest info on what has to be done that the make world won't do. Annelise To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 11:35:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23350 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:35:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23297; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:35:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01627; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:35:19 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199803141935.QAA01627@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. In-Reply-To: from Annelise Anderson at "Mar 14, 98 11:12:27 am" To: andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu (Annelise Anderson) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:35:19 -0300 (EST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, zal@rest.ru, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk #define quoting(Annelise Anderson) // This is a recurring problem. In an earlier version of -stable there // was the login.conf problem and also at some time the need to add // something to /etc/group. // // Obviously it doesn't work to respond to questions in freebsd-questions // (people don't read it until they run into trouble) or the newsgroup. // And not everyone subscribes to -stable. What you need is a README file // that arrives with the sources and ends up in /usr/src and has the latest // info on what has to be done that the make world won't do. What makes you think people will read this file ? :) Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 12:13:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA27641 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:13:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bsampley.vip.best.com (bsampley.vip.best.com [206.184.160.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27633 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:13:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsampley@best.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bsampley.vip.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA01065; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:12:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsampley@best.com) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:11:31 -0800 (PST) From: Burton Sampley X-Sender: bsampley@bsampley.vip.best.com To: Robert Watson cc: "Michael V. Harding" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More problems with new slice code In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To the best of my knowledge (if I'm wrong, will someone please correct me), the entries are not deleted, they just become invalid, ie, they *act* like they point to /dev/null or somewhere in outerspace. I have been bitten by this in the past and have been quickly educated in the use of the fixit floppy/CDROM, which is actually a really cool tool to have! The pair have saved my butt a few times. It seems kinda odd when I explicitly give "/dev/MAKEDEV sd0s2a" (and the rest of my file systems individually) that it does what it needs to do to allow me to use that slice successfully, but "/dev/MAKEDEV all" makes the same slice no longer function. I believe this has been corrected in -current, but I probably have my facts wrong. I think all of us a one point in time have been a member of the head-scratching club. That's part of the fun of using FreeBSD. I just have a bad habit of learning at the worst possible time, like blowing up my system without a backup and all of my code for the quarter being on the unaccessible hard drive the week before finals. :-) - -burton- - --------------- Burton Sampley bsampley@best.com or bsampley@haywire.csuhayward.edu PGP key available at http://www.best.com/~bsampley/pgp.html On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Robert Watson wrote: > On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Michael V. Harding wrote: > > > I and everyone I know has been bitten by ./MAKEDEV deleting existing > > slices. This can make the system fail in a way that can take up to a > > day of headscratching to fix. And you can't even read the man pages. > > > > Could ./MAKEDEV make all slices by default, instead? > > Or, maybe MAKEDEV should MAKE DEVICES and not DELETE DEVICES. :) Anyone > can rm a device node. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 14:35:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11467 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:35:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from elvis.vnet.net (elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11461 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:35:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hajime@vnet.net) Received: from katie.vnet.net (hajime@katie.vnet.net [166.82.1.7]) by elvis.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA16844 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:36:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hajime@localhost) by katie.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA23905 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:36:50 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: katie.vnet.net: hajime owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:36:50 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Hodges To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Please recap upgrade proceedure Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Now that the smoke has cleared, can someone please document the steps necessary to insure a safe install of the new disk slice code? Thanks, Jim ___________________________________________________ Jim Hodges no.spam.jim.hodges@vnet.net ___________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 14:55:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA14124 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:55:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14112 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:55:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from trojanhorse.pr.watson.org (trojanhorse.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.10]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id RAA07899; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:54:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:54:19 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: Burton Sampley cc: "Michael V. Harding" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More problems with new slice code In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Burton Sampley wrote: > To the best of my knowledge (if I'm wrong, will someone please correct > me), the entries are not deleted, they just become invalid, ie, they *act* > like they point to /dev/null or somewhere in outerspace. I have been > bitten by this in the past and have been quickly educated in the use of > the fixit floppy/CDROM, which is actually a really cool tool to have! The > pair have saved my butt a few times. It seems kinda odd when I explicitly > give "/dev/MAKEDEV sd0s2a" (and the rest of my file systems individually) > that it does what it needs to do to allow me to use that slice > successfully, but "/dev/MAKEDEV all" makes the same slice no longer > function. That is what puzzled me, actually. The device names were really gone from /dev -- /dev/wd0a which had been happily there just sort of disappeared after I did a MAKEDEV of the new devices. I haven't looked enough at the MAKEDEV script to know its depths though. > I believe this has been corrected in -current, but I probably have my > facts wrong. > > I think all of us a one point in time have been a member of the > head-scratching club. That's part of the fun of using FreeBSD. I just > have a bad habit of learning at the worst possible time, like blowing up > my system without a backup and all of my code for the quarter being on the > unaccessible hard drive the week before finals. :-) Oh, I would certainly rather deal with just about any head-scratchy moments in FreeBSD than run anything else. We have over 8 machines running FreeBSD of various forms in our apartment, and I do all development for work under FreeBSD. :) On the other hand, while I was bitten by this bug, and knew how to deal with it, I pity a more novice user who gets in that situation. There are, of course, risks to running -STABLE, but as it is currently a release candidate, we should try to minimize those risks. Having poked about at the code a bit where the changes were, I accept that they were simplifying and helpful; it is unfortunate, however, that the correction they provide to the code has some side-effects. sysinstall under 2.2.6 should definitely know how to deal with this config and auto-magically do it (or request confirmation first, but notify the user :). Robert N Watson Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 14:58:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA14474 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:58:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14369 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:58:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00616; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:57:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <350B0B74.E51453E0@dal.net> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:57:56 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA-0313 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Godsey CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problem after make world w/ ports References: <004a01bd4f74$c2ad9b80$a49c81ce@orbit> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Jason Godsey wrote: > > After make world last night, when I try to build a port I get the following: > > (root@shaw) /usr/ports/databases/mysql $ make > ===> mysql-3.21.21b : You have an old file (/usr/local/lib/tkConfig.sh) > that could cause problems for some ports to compile. Please remove it and > try again. You may have to reinstall tk from the ports tree afterwards. > > If I copy /usr/share/mk/* from an older system over it will ftp the source, > decompress, and try to configure where it fails. > > Is it something I did wrong? You mean other than not following the instructions? :) All you had to do was remove the file that it told you about and you'd have been in fine shape. The tcl/tk stuff is no longer part of the base distribution (yay :) and keeping the old files around can cause problems, as the ports makefile was trying to tell you. Good luck, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 15:14:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA16239 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:14:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16209 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:13:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA23672; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:13:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:13:56 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White Reply-To: Doug White To: Studded cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. In-Reply-To: <350A52DD.8330A0AD@dal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Studded wrote: > > Speaking of FAQ, it may be useful to do some preemptive customer support > > and add a FAQ question for it. > > That and a big fat section in the -announce post. And the README, RELNOTES, front cover of CD, .... > > > P.S. As has been covered in *great* detail this last week, and as is > > > also available via the mailing list archives, edit /dev/wd0a to be the > > > fully-slice-qualified name, like the other entries. e.g. /dev/wd0s1a. > > > > I think I'll have to join Paul in questioning whether this breakage is > > going to make 2.2.6 a support nightmare. I don't want this to become > > another ``unknown login class root''-style hailstorm. :-( > > I don't think it will. For one thing that login class root problem was > an error, it was caused by an actual mistake. For another, it affected > every person who installed, even on a new system. So far the only people > who've been caught by this problem are people who aren't paying > attention to the lists and have done various (and varying degrees of) > stupid things to make their life more difficult. ANd it's those people that are bound to make the world an unhappy place :( We need to make clear that -questions are for -RELEASE problems or general admin questions _only_; -STABLE problems _must_ be posted to stable@freebsd.org, and -CURRENT problems _must_ be posted to current@freebsd.org. I don't track either -STABLE or -CURRENT (yet) so posting advanced-version questions there is pointless. > In fact, I've had evil thoughts about enabling a new kernel feature and > then announcing on the mailing lists how to disable it. This feature > will bring your system to a grinding halt while it's booting and splash > a screen that derides the person for upgrading without following the > mailing list. :) I think a large kernel printf() instead of killing the system would be Politically Correct, but the idea is good :) Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 15:30:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18438 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:30:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18350; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:30:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA23699; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:29:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:29:24 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White Reply-To: Doug White To: Mike Smith cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Aleksey Zvyagin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. In-Reply-To: <199803140337.TAA03072@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > If you update /sbin/mount at the same time, it's a no-op. I got bitten > by the two different "dedicated" disk types issue though; that hurt. > The fix is still being tested in -current, but I haven't heard any > complaints about it, so I was planning to bring it over tonight. Looks like you did; I got bugged by mount in today's (970313) BETA snapshot that I installed on my laptop. > I think it was my turn to be bitten by a "this is simple and innocouous > and will reduce world ugliness" change. 8( Heh heh heh.... >>:-> Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 15:33:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19053 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:33:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18952; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:32:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00730; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:32:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <350B138C.7D143FF9@dal.net> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:32:28 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA-0313 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shawn Ramsey CC: Tom , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 References: <350A4A08.5A4D8CA1@cpl.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Shawn Ramsey wrote: > > > Well, suddenly your system doesn't have a libc_r anymore, after you > > rename it. > > Thats true, but MySQL was the only thing that is using it. Jordan has indicated a willingness to put a make.conf option into -Stable so this might be a moot point, however I just can't imagine that it's not possible to make the port for mysql build libc_r if it's not built already. Ports people? Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 16:04:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29726 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:04:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Jupiter.internal.planet-three.com (host5-99-45-217.btinternet.com [195.99.45.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29638; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:04:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scot@internal.planet-three.com) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by Jupiter.internal.planet-three.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA13605; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:03:29 GMT (envelope-from scot@internal.planet-three.com) X-Authentication-Warning: Jupiter.internal.planet-three.com: scot owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:03:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Scot Elliott To: Studded cc: Shawn Ramsey , Tom , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 In-Reply-To: <350B138C.7D143FF9@dal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Problem with this is that it would have to download the source for libc_r that corresponded to the date of the currently built libraries - it wouldn't be nice to have a latest stable libc_r on a system with old binaries would it? I guess the port could include a static version of it though, and link with that. Then you wouldn't effect anything else on the system. Just a though. Scot. On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Studded wrote: > Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:32:28 -0800 > From: Studded > To: Shawn Ramsey > Cc: Tom , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 > > Shawn Ramsey wrote: > > > > > Well, suddenly your system doesn't have a libc_r anymore, after you > > > rename it. > > > > Thats true, but MySQL was the only thing that is using it. > > Jordan has indicated a willingness to put a make.conf option into > -Stable so this might be a moot point, however I just can't imagine that > it's not possible to make the port for mysql build libc_r if it's not > built already. Ports people? > > Doug > > -- > *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** > *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest > *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. > *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 16:11:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02110 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:11:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02050 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:11:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02942; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:10:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Robert Watson cc: Burton Sampley , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More problems with new slice code In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:06:23 EST." Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:10:35 -0800 Message-ID: <2939.889920635@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I had a similar nasty experience. It was made nastier by the fact that I > did a MAKEDEV and then booted without changing fstab -- MAKEDEV deleted my Actually, I think that nasty was made nasty by the fact that your /dev/MAKEDEV is much older than your /usr/src/etc/etc.i386/MAKEDEV. :-) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 16:13:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02528 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:13:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02510 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:13:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02958; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:11:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: "Michael V. Harding" cc: robert+freebsd@cyrus.watson.org, bsampley@best.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More problems with new slice code In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:04:21 PST." <199803141904.LAA26384@netcom1.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:11:53 -0800 Message-ID: <2955.889920713@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I and everyone I know has been bitten by ./MAKEDEV deleting existing > slices. This can make the system fail in a way that can take up to a It doesn't do that anymore. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 16:14:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02744 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:14:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02705; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:14:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02975; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:13:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Annelise Anderson cc: Aleksey Zvyagin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:12:27 PST." Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:13:10 -0800 Message-ID: <2972.889920790@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Obviously it doesn't work to respond to questions in freebsd-questions > (people don't read it until they run into trouble) or the newsgroup. > And not everyone subscribes to -stable. What you need is a README file > that arrives with the sources and ends up in /usr/src and has the latest > info on what has to be done that the make world won't do. Though that wouldn't have solved the login.conf problem. I think what you're really saying is that we need a better starter document that covers the latest errata and any special build instructions. :) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 16:16:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA03097 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:16:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03090 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:15:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from trojanhorse.pr.watson.org (trojanhorse.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.10]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id TAA09087; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:15:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:15:10 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Burton Sampley , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More problems with new slice code In-Reply-To: <2939.889920635@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I had a similar nasty experience. It was made nastier by the fact that I > > did a MAKEDEV and then booted without changing fstab -- MAKEDEV deleted my > > Actually, I think that nasty was made nasty by the fact that your > /dev/MAKEDEV is much older than your /usr/src/etc/etc.i386/MAKEDEV. :-) That sounds like a plan. :) Thanks. I merged the etc's on the machine quite happily after the previous -STABLE upgrade, but skipped /dev/MAKEDEV. ah well.. Thanks, Robert N Watson Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 16:26:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05917 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:26:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05837; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:26:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05658; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:56:06 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA19952; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:56:06 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980315105605.13538@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:56:05 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Annelise Anderson , "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Aleksey Zvyagin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. References: <1159.889807711@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Annelise Anderson on Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 11:12:27AM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sat, 14 March 1998 at 11:12:27 -0800, Annelise Anderson wrote: > > On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > >>> Help me, please anyone. >>> I used the cvsup utility for a upgrade from 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE >>> (only the 'src-sys' capability) >> >> Sigh.. This has been talked about for at least the last week in the >> -stable. >> >> Perhaps it's time to make subscription to the list *mandatory* before >> someone is allowed to cvsup the -stable bits? We're just going to get >> FAQ'd to death in the future if we don't do something like this, I'm >> really worried about that. >> >> P.S. As has been covered in *great* detail this last week, and as is >> also available via the mailing list archives, edit /dev/wd0a to be the >> fully-slice-qualified name, like the other entries. e.g. /dev/wd0s1a. > > This is a recurring problem. In an earlier version of -stable there > was the login.conf problem and also at some time the need to add > something to /etc/group. > > Obviously it doesn't work to respond to questions in freebsd-questions > (people don't read it until they run into trouble) or the newsgroup. > And not everyone subscribes to -stable. What you need is a README file > that arrives with the sources and ends up in /usr/src and has the latest > info on what has to be done that the make world won't do. How would that help? That which we called ERRATA.TXT by any other name would be read as little. We had this errata about login.conf in the root directory of the 2.2.2 CD-ROM, but that didn't stop people asking all the time. I think that basically, we're lumbered with a certain amount of "I can't be bothered to RTFM, I'll ask somebody to do the work for me" questions. Apart from pointing these things out again and again, there's not much you can do. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 16:35:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA07906 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:35:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA07889 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:34:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13032; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:33:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Robert Watson cc: Burton Sampley , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More problems with new slice code In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:15:10 EST." Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:33:29 -0800 Message-ID: <13009.889922009@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > That sounds like a plan. :) Thanks. I merged the etc's on the machine > quite happily after the previous -STABLE upgrade, but skipped > /dev/MAKEDEV. ah well.. You'd hardly be the first to forget this - it's rather buried there under /usr/src/etc/etc.i386. Anyone listened here care to write up an UPGRADE.TXT file that lists all sorts of helpful facts like the above? :-) I'd be more than happy to bundle it with the upcoming 2.2.6 distribution if it's done with any reasonable degree of care. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 16:52:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09388 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:52:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09378; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:52:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue2@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue2@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02782; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:51:58 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980315115154.17811@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:51:54 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Greg Lehey Cc: Annelise Anderson , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Aleksey Zvyagin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. References: <1159.889807711@time.cdrom.com> <19980315105605.13538@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19980315105605.13538@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 10:56:05AM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 10:56:05AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > How would that help? That which we called ERRATA.TXT by any other > name would be read as little. We had this errata about login.conf in > the root directory of the 2.2.2 CD-ROM, but that didn't stop people > asking all the time. But wasn't that the incident where the errata.txt was in error, and one had to find the errata to the errata (on the FTP site I think it was) in order to discover that the file had to be downloaded? Fair crack o' the whip! :-) I do expect to be able to purchase a CD, read all of the available documentation, and then be able to install without using the Internet. That was not possible. In future it should at least be possible. Also, I don't recall any other file warning that it was important to read errata.txt (sorry, can't access my CD now). Scattered reminders could help. -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 17:12:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12444 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:12:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12420; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:12:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05698; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:41:38 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA20103; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:41:37 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980315114137.59549@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:41:37 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Sue Blake Cc: Annelise Anderson , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Aleksey Zvyagin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. References: <1159.889807711@time.cdrom.com> <19980315105605.13538@freebie.lemis.com> <19980315115154.17811@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <19980315115154.17811@welearn.com.au>; from Sue Blake on Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 11:51:54AM +1100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, 15 March 1998 at 11:51:54 +1100, Sue Blake wrote: > On Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 10:56:05AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> How would that help? That which we called ERRATA.TXT by any other >> name would be read as little. We had this errata about login.conf in >> the root directory of the 2.2.2 CD-ROM, but that didn't stop people >> asking all the time. > > But wasn't that the incident where the errata.txt was in error, and one had > to find the errata to the errata (on the FTP site I think it was) in order > to discover that the file had to be downloaded? Fair crack o' the whip! :-) Hmm. Yes, you're right. But not a single one of all those questions indicated that the originator had read the ERRATA.TXT file. > I do expect to be able to purchase a CD, read all of the available > documentation, and then be able to install without using the Internet. > That was not possible. In future it should at least be possible. Sure, you have the option of returning the CD-ROM for a full refund. Sometimes things get screwed up. We're all only human. > Also, I don't recall any other file warning that it was important to > read errata.txt (sorry, can't access my CD now). Scattered reminders > could help. Maybe. What would the difference be if you ended up with a file /usr/src/README? Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 17:30:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14267 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:30:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bogslab.ucdavis.edu (root@bogslab.ucdavis.edu [128.120.162.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA14249 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:30:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from greg@bogslab.ucdavis.edu) Received: from myrtle1.bogs.org (root@myrtle1.bogs.org [198.137.203.39]) by bogslab.ucdavis.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12506 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from myrtle1.bogs.org (greg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by myrtle1.bogs.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA06992 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:28:20 -0800 Message-Id: <199803150128.RAA06992@myrtle1.bogs.org> To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More problems with new slice code In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:33:29 PST." <13009.889922009@time.cdrom.com> Reply-To: gkshenaut@ucdavis.edu Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:27:56 -0800 From: Greg Shenaut Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message <13009.889922009@time.cdrom.com>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" cleopede: >> That sounds like a plan. :) Thanks. I merged the etc's on the machine >> quite happily after the previous -STABLE upgrade, but skipped >> /dev/MAKEDEV. ah well.. > >You'd hardly be the first to forget this - it's rather buried there >under /usr/src/etc/etc.i386. Actually, I've always wondered by MAKEDEV sits in /dev--of course, there is now a considerable tradition for it, but doesn't it make more sense to split it into a standard utility, "makedev", which lives in /sbin, plus a standard-but-modifiable database which lives in /etc called "devtab" and "devtab.local" or whatever? -Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 17:30:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14295 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:30:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (root@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA14178; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:29:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA20134; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:25:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:25:03 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Aleksey Zvyagin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. In-Reply-To: <2972.889920790@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Obviously it doesn't work to respond to questions in freebsd-questions > > (people don't read it until they run into trouble) or the newsgroup. > > And not everyone subscribes to -stable. What you need is a README file > > that arrives with the sources and ends up in /usr/src and has the latest > > info on what has to be done that the make world won't do. > > Though that wouldn't have solved the login.conf problem. I think what > you're really saying is that we need a better starter document that > covers the latest errata and any special build instructions. :) > > Jordan I think I'm trying to say that the information on *how to get* the latest errata and any special build instructions (or whatever) needs to arrive with the goods; one can't expect people to pick up this information in some other place--on some newsgroup or mailing list. At least, I think this has the best chance of reducing the repetitive questions. For the cdrom sets, the brochure that goes in the package should have a little note that says something about getting information that became available after the cd's were made. This can be a standard location, e.g., the location of the errata.txt file on the web site or WC CDROM for a particular release. For sources obtained with cvsup, a README file that ends up in the one directory that has to be visited (/usr/src) that either provides information or directs the reader to information is all that's needed. Annelise To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 17:37:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA15814 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:37:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15803; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:36:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue2@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue2@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02890; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:36:36 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980315123631.07485@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:36:31 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Greg Lehey Cc: Annelise Anderson , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Aleksey Zvyagin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. References: <1159.889807711@time.cdrom.com> <19980315105605.13538@freebie.lemis.com> <19980315115154.17811@welearn.com.au> <19980315114137.59549@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19980315114137.59549@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 11:41:37AM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 11:41:37AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Sun, 15 March 1998 at 11:51:54 +1100, Sue Blake wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 10:56:05AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > >> How would that help? That which we called ERRATA.TXT by any other > >> name would be read as little. We had this errata about login.conf in > >> the root directory of the 2.2.2 CD-ROM, but that didn't stop people > >> asking all the time. > > > > But wasn't that the incident where the errata.txt was in error, and one had > > to find the errata to the errata (on the FTP site I think it was) in order > > to discover that the file had to be downloaded? Fair crack o' the > > whip! :-) > > Hmm. Yes, you're right. But not a single one of all those questions > indicated that the originator had read the ERRATA.TXT file. I saw a few that did, though most didn't indicate they had. I'll always be cautious about believing an errata.txt after that experience, but I will read them. Either people are somehow induced to read it, or we wear the outcome. Simple. It doesn't help to discuss whose "fault" it is, only how to make it work. > > I do expect to be able to purchase a CD, read all of the available > > documentation, and then be able to install without using the Internet. > > That was not possible. In future it should at least be possible. > > Sure, you have the option of returning the CD-ROM for a full refund. No way, the CD is worth more than the refund. I just wanted my login.conf. Luckily there was one being passed around Sydney on a floppy. > Sometimes things get screwed up. We're all only human. :-) Now you tell me! I thought you were... aah, forget it. > > Also, I don't recall any other file warning that it was important to > > read errata.txt (sorry, can't access my CD now). Scattered reminders > > could help. > > Maybe. What would the difference be if you ended up with a file > /usr/src/README? I don't understand what you mean. Let me try it this way. I get the CD. It has a booklet which I read that tells me how to install. I study it for a week, look on the CD and find much the same stuff, read it to make sure it's the same. Make notes on paper. Then I follow all instructions to the letter, to the best of my ability. Where have I gone wrong? What should I have done different, and where am I told about that? I know I'm not a good person but wish somebody would help me to see how to become good before I sin, not afterwards. -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 19:10:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA25943 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:10:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA25935 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:10:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA22977; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:09:10 +1100 Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:09:10 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199803150309.OAA22977@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, mike@smith.net.au, obrien@NUXI.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> But now I still can mount /usr both as wd1s1f and as wd1f. Root is the >> only filesystem that I must mount as wd1s1a (and cannot as wd1a). So, >> previous behavior was, probably, more consistent (from user's point of >> view). >> >Oops, apparently, this is not all true. Apparently, root is always was only >filesystem (here) that accepted only one way of mounting, and now, with >new mount, I have two way for mounting root (though one of them cause the >warning). So, new behavior is more consistent. Sorry. Not quite true. It was and is possible to mount root as wd1a by booting with -r ("config kernel root on wd1") or -a ("config kernel swap on generic"). "root on wd1s[a-h]" should also work. -a only supports slice = compatbility slice, partition = 'a'. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 19:11:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA26015 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:11:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp4.nwnexus.com (smtp4.nwnexus.com [206.63.63.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA26009 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:11:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wrsomsky@halcyon.com) Received: from gramarye (evt-lx100-ip38.nwnexus.net [204.57.235.38]) by smtp4.nwnexus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA31787; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:10:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wrsomsky@localhost) by gramarye (8.8.8/8.8.7) id TAA00508; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:04:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wrsomsky) From: "William R. Somsky" Message-Id: <199803150304.TAA00508.gramarye.wrsomsky@halcyon.com> Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. In-Reply-To: from Annelise Anderson at "Mar 14, 98 05:25:03 pm" To: andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu (Annelise Anderson) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:04:16 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > From: Annelise Anderson > > I think I'm trying to say that the information on *how to get* the > latest errata and any special build instructions (or whatever) needs > to arrive with the goods; one can't expect people to pick up this > information in some other place--on some newsgroup or mailing list. > > At least, I think this has the best chance of reducing the repetitive > questions. > > For the cdrom sets, the brochure that goes in the package should > have a little note that says something about getting information > that became available after the cd's were made. This can be a > standard location, e.g., the location of the errata.txt file on > the web site or WC CDROM for a particular release. > > For sources obtained with cvsup, a README file that ends up in the > one directory that has to be visited (/usr/src) that either provides > information or directs the reader to information is all that's needed. > > Annelise I'll second this. I'm running a home machine and a couple at work with 2.2.5-stable -- excuse me, it's 2.2.6-beta now -- and I'm trying to follow the -stable mailing list, but there's enough there that one can easily miss something. It would be nice if there was a web-page and/or ftp-file that contained a summary of current errata, need-to-know and don't-forget information, and even just useful notes, that contained the current state of needed information. I mean, the mailing list is good for ongoing discussions about things, but its just not very good as a reference. _I'd_ use such a page. I'm trying to be a knowledgeble -stable user, but inevitably, something will go by in a discussion that I don't particularly pay attention to at the time, and then I get bitten by it later. At that point, there's not much I can do other that post a "didn't somebody say something about" message -- the mailing list archives aren't really very useful for this, even if you can figure out a seach to pick the messages relevant to the topic in questions, you get all the messages, the initial problem reports, the side comments, the why didn't we do this before, I thought we did, Linux did it long ago, NetBSD hasn't done it yet, yadda, yadda, yadda, along with the actual answer, if there is one. If we had such a "current notes" page, I know I'd use it. Now, I won't promise I'd always read it before doing a make world -- I'm not that diciplined -- but then I'd have a first place to look for info when something went wrong. And if it were well advertized, others would know to look there as well. (Sorry, I'm rambling... I'll take my medication now... *gulp*... ahh...) So, to make a long story short -- (too late) -- I think that a well advertized "current notes and errata" page for each of the branches (-release, -stable, -current) would be very useful. ________________________________________________________________________ William R. Somsky wrsomsky@halcyon.com Physicist, Baritone, Guitarist http://www.halcyon.com/wrsomsky To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 19:21:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA27238 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:21:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA27230 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:21:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02495; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:19:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <350B48D8.C2315333@dal.net> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:19:52 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA-0313 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More problems with new slice code References: <13009.889922009@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F1B4693A969C983496806E1F" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F1B4693A969C983496806E1F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > That sounds like a plan. :) Thanks. I merged the etc's on the machine > > quite happily after the previous -STABLE upgrade, but skipped > > /dev/MAKEDEV. ah well.. > > You'd hardly be the first to forget this - it's rather buried there > under /usr/src/etc/etc.i386. > > Anyone listened here care to write up an UPGRADE.TXT file that lists > all sorts of helpful facts like the above? :-) I'd be more than happy > to bundle it with the upcoming 2.2.6 distribution if it's done with > any reasonable degree of care. Just the opening I was waiting for. :) Actually I think between Nik Clayton and I we have a very good procedure outlined as part of our respective make world tutorials. You can find mine (and a link to his) at http://home.san.rr.com/freebsd/upgrade.html. The short version is: 1. mkdir /var/tmp/temproot 2. cd /usr/src/etc 3. make DESTDIR=/var/tmp/temproot distrib-dirs distribution 4. cd /var/tmp/temproot Here is where Nik and I differ. He has a perl script that checks the files, but I wrote one in sh that I think is simpler, easier for the user to understand, but still does a lot for the user. I'll append it to this letter. If you'd like me to hammer the info I have on my page (plus other pertinent bits) into something that can be used as an UPGRADE.TXT just let me know, I'll be happy to do that. As far as updating /dev goes, I copied Nik's procedure to do that verbatim, I think it's a good one. He's updated it on his page but I haven't had a chance to crib the good bits yet. Doug PS, I'm open to suggestions on the name for the script, I'm not terribly happy with "comproot" but I haven't come up with anything better. :) -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) --------------F1B4693A969C983496806E1F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="comproot" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="comproot" #!/bin/sh # comproot # Compare files in the temproot environment with the currently installed copy. # Studded@dal.net # Last modified 13 March 1998 # Usage: # To compare CVS revision $Id's for files that have them, and compare # diffs for files that don't, type # comproot # in the top level temp root directory. (e.g., /var/tmp/temproot) # # For a strict comparison (diff'ing every pair of files) use # comproot -s # # To use context diff's instead of unified diffs use # comproot [-s] -c PATH=/bin:/usr/bin # If user has a pager defined, use it. If not, use more. if [ "x$PAGER" = "x" ]; then PAGER='more' else echo '' echo "*** You have $PAGER defined as your pager so we'll use that" echo '' sleep 1 fi # Use unified diffs by default. Context diffs give me a headache. :) DIFF_FLAG='-u' opt-err () { echo '' echo 'Usage: comproot [-s] [-c]' echo '' echo 'Options:' echo ' -s strict comparison (diff every pair of files)' echo ' -c use context diff instead of unified diff' echo '' exit 1 } opt-case () { case "$1" in "-s") STRICT=yes ;; "-c") DIFF_FLAG='-c' ;; *) opt-err ;; esac } # Check command line options if [ "x$1" != "x" ]; then opt-case "$1" fi if [ "x$2" != "x" ]; then opt-case "$2" fi if [ "x$3" != "x" ]; then opt-err fi # Using -size +0 avoids uselessly checking the empty log files created # by /usr/src/etc/Makefile and the device entries in ./dev (but does # check the scripts in ./dev, as we'd like). for COMPFILE in `find . -type f -size +0`; do if [ ! -n "$STRICT" ]; then # Compare CVS $Id's first so if the file hasn't been modified # local changes will be ignored. IDFILE1=`grep "[$]Id:" $COMPFILE` IDFILE2=`grep "[$]Id:" ${COMPFILE#.}` # If the files have the same $Id, delete the one in temproot so the # user will have less to wade through if files are left to merge by hand. if [ -n "$IDFILE1" -a "$IDFILE1" = "$IDFILE2" ]; then echo "*** $COMPFILE has the same Id as the installed version, deleting" rm $COMPFILE fi fi # If the file is still here either because the $Id's are different, the # file doesn't have an $Id, or we're using 'STRICT' mode; look at the diff. if [ -f "$COMPFILE" ]; then # Do an absolute diff first to see if the files are actually different. diff -q "${COMPFILE#.}" "$COMPFILE" # If they're not different, delete the one in temproot. if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then echo "*** $COMPFILE is the same as installed version, deleting" rm "$COMPFILE" else # Ok, the files are different, so show the user where they differ. Use user's # choice of diff methods; and user's pager if they have one. Use more if not. echo '' diff "$DIFF_FLAG" "${COMPFILE#.}" "$COMPFILE" | "$PAGER" echo '' read -p "*** Ok to delete $COMPFILE? (y for yes) [no] " RMORNOT if [ "x$RMORNOT" = "xy" -o "x$RMORNOT" = "xY" ]; then rm "$COMPFILE" echo '' echo " *** Deleting $COMPFILE" echo '' sleep 1 fi fi fi # If the user didn't want to delete the file, give them the option to # install it, or leave it around to merge by hand. if [ -f "$COMPFILE" ]; then echo '' read -p "*** Would you like to install $COMPFILE? (y for yes) [no] " MVORNOT echo '' if [ "x$MVORNOT" = "xy" -o "x$MVORNOT" = "xY" ]; then mv "$COMPFILE" "${COMPFILE#.}" echo " *** Installing $COMPFILE" else echo " *** $COMPFILE will remain for your consideration" fi echo '' sleep 1 fi # This is for the 'do' way up there at the beginning done --------------F1B4693A969C983496806E1F-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 19:21:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA27273 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:21:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (pechter@shell.monmouth.com [205.231.236.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA27228 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:21:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pechter@shell.monmouth.com) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id WAA29921 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:20:54 -0500 (EST) From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199803150320.WAA29921@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Upgrade problem at beta To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:20:53 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Just upgraded from 2.2.5-STABLE to -BETA (CVSUP as of Friday) Here's the new fstab following the slice switch (they were sd0a, etc...) /dev/sd0s4a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd0s4b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/sd0s4d /var ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd0s4e /usr ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd0s4f /usr/ftp ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd0s4h /tmp ufs rw 0 1 /dev/sd0s4g /home ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd3s1 /home/ncvs ufs rw 1 1 #/dev/sd3c /usr/obj ufs rw,async 1 1 /dev/sd0s2 /dos msdos rw 0 0 /dev/cd0a /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 ------------------------------- I get the following from savecore at boot time... Savecore was built today in the make world. savecore msg. ------------------------------------- savecore: warning: /kernel version mismatch: FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA #0: Sat Mar 14 17:55:10 EST 1998 and savecore: reboot after panic: ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ! ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ savecore: system went down at Thu Jul 27 23:42:40 1961 dump time is unreasonable +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Bill/Carolyn Pechter | 17 Meredith Drive | Tinton Falls, New Jersey 07724 | | 908-389-3592 | Save computing history, give an old geek old hardware. | | pechter@shell.monmouth.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 19:44:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29942 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:44:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA29935 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:44:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02706 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:44:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <350B4EA5.AADE6836@dal.net> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:44:37 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA-0313 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. References: <1159.889807711@time.cdrom.com> <19980315105605.13538@freebie.lemis.com> <19980315115154.17811@welearn.com.au> <19980315114137.59549@freebie.lemis.com> <19980315123631.07485@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk [ I'm moving this to just freebsd-stable. ] Sue Blake wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 11:41:37AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > > On Sun, 15 March 1998 at 11:51:54 +1100, Sue Blake wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 10:56:05AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > > > >> How would that help? That which we called ERRATA.TXT by any other > > >> name would be read as little. We had this errata about login.conf in > > >> the root directory of the 2.2.2 CD-ROM, but that didn't stop people > > >> asking all the time. > > > > > > But wasn't that the incident where the errata.txt was in error, and one had > > > to find the errata to the errata (on the FTP site I think it was) in order > > > to discover that the file had to be downloaded? Fair crack o' the > > > whip! :-) > > > > Hmm. Yes, you're right. But not a single one of all those questions > > indicated that the originator had read the ERRATA.TXT file. > > I saw a few that did, though most didn't indicate they had. I'll always be > cautious about believing an errata.txt after that experience, but I will > read them. > > Either people are somehow induced to read it, or we wear the outcome. Simple. > It doesn't help to discuss whose "fault" it is, only how to make it work. Actually *they* wear the outcome. If we've done all we can to make it work the onus is all on them, but I agree that we need to do more. [snip] > Let me try it this way. > I get the CD. It has a booklet which I read that tells me how to install. I > study it for a week, look on the CD and find much the same stuff, read it to > make sure it's the same. Make notes on paper. Then I follow all instructions > to the letter, to the best of my ability. Where have I gone wrong? You haven't. > What should I have done different, and where am I told about that? There needs to be a big pointer in that CD booklet (and the docs on the CD of course) saying "To find the very latest info and updates please point your favorite web browser to http://www.freebsd.org/very-latest-stuff.html." I think you make a good point here, and it look like Jordan is interested in making this happen. > I know I'm not > a good person but wish somebody would help me to see how to become good > before I sin, not afterwards. Please, don't cloud the good point you're making with over-emotionalization. I am one of the champions of the cause of helping people (especially new users) feel comfortable with freebsd, but you're only hurting your cause with this kind of statement. Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 20:01:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01534 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:01:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from geo.geocast.net (geo.geocast.net [128.177.240.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01525 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:01:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from castor@geocast.net) Received: from localhost (castor@localhost) by geo.geocast.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA20882 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:01:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:01:44 -0800 (PST) From: Castor Fu To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Notification of Errata In-Reply-To: <350B4EA5.AADE6836@dal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > There needs to be a big pointer in that CD booklet (and the docs on the > CD of course) saying "To find the very latest info and updates please > point your favorite web browser to > http://www.freebsd.org/very-latest-stuff.html." I think you make a good > point here, and it look like Jordan is interested in making this happen. It seems like the installation scripts could do more to throw errata into the face of the user a la the win95 splash screens. . . Copying Xfree86-3.14159 to your hard disk. . . Now's a great time to read the errata at http://blahblahblah if you have a web browser handy, because we're not afraid to admit we're not perfect. For example, if the user actually configures the network at installation time, wouldn't it be cool to have offer to point a web browser at the latest errata? -castor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 20:07:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA02108 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:07:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02100 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:07:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02795; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:07:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <350B53E6.3AFFEAEB@dal.net> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:07:02 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA-0313 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Annelise Anderson CC: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk [ Once again, narrowed to freebsd-stable. ] Annelise Anderson wrote: > > On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > Obviously it doesn't work to respond to questions in freebsd-questions > > > (people don't read it until they run into trouble) or the newsgroup. > > > And not everyone subscribes to -stable. What you need is a README file > > > that arrives with the sources and ends up in /usr/src and has the latest > > > info on what has to be done that the make world won't do. > > > > Though that wouldn't have solved the login.conf problem. I think what > > you're really saying is that we need a better starter document that > > covers the latest errata and any special build instructions. :) > > > > Jordan > > I think I'm trying to say that the information on *how to get* the > latest errata and any special build instructions (or whatever) needs > to arrive with the goods; one can't expect people to pick up this > information in some other place--on some newsgroup or mailing list. Yes, absolutely. > At least, I think this has the best chance of reducing the repetitive > questions. The best way to reduce repetitive questions is to start responding to them more proactively. We need a spot on the www page that has responses to the real FAQ's that are happening on the list, and we need someone to keep it up to date. If we can put something like this together and advertise it in the stuff that comes with/on the CD in a few generations we will have trained people to help themselves more (not totally, but more). Also, it will be of tremendous help to the people that *answer* those FAQ's on the mailing lists (especially -questions). If we can point users to an accurate, thorough and step-by-step answer we'll dramatically reduce the number of, "Ok, I tried that but it didn't quite..." questions too, and reduce the load on the answerers. > For the cdrom sets, the brochure that goes in the package should > have a little note that says something about getting information > that became available after the cd's were made. This can be a > standard location, e.g., the location of the errata.txt file on > the web site or WC CDROM for a particular release. Agreed. The way I'd structure it is to have each answer in a .txt file and make them available on the ftp site. Some sort of e-mail autoresponder would also be nice. > For sources obtained with cvsup, a README file that ends up in the > one directory that has to be visited (/usr/src) that either provides > information or directs the reader to information is all that's needed. You're batting 3 for 3. :) I'd like to see a /usr/src/README with general info, and a /usr/src/README.NEW-SLICE-CODE for the really big changes. Then of course we have to train people to read these things. :) Obviously we aren't going to change any of this overnight, but we can start being more proactive about offering the info. At the same time, we have to be more didactic about making sure people read the right lists. I think this incident has been good in the sense that it's flushed some of the grouse out of the weeds. Let's not panic because we've got some feathers in the face. Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 20:11:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA02908 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:11:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02898 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:11:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03163; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:11:23 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980315151120.57805@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:11:20 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Studded Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. References: <1159.889807711@time.cdrom.com> <19980315105605.13538@freebie.lemis.com> <19980315115154.17811@welearn.com.au> <19980315114137.59549@freebie.lemis.com> <19980315123631.07485@welearn.com.au> <350B4EA5.AADE6836@dal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <350B4EA5.AADE6836@dal.net>; from Studded on Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 07:44:37PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 07:44:37PM -0800, Studded wrote: > [ I'm moving this to just freebsd-stable. ] And I'm refusing to be goaded into a flame war with you. We agree on the major issues. I don't belong in -stable. -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 20:12:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA02988 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:12:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02968 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:12:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA09297; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:09:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803150409.UAA09297@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: gkshenaut@ucdavis.edu cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More problems with new slice code In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:27:56 PST." <199803150128.RAA06992@myrtle1.bogs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:09:30 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Actually, I've always wondered by MAKEDEV sits in /dev--of course, > there is now a considerable tradition for it, but doesn't it make > more sense to split it into a standard utility, "makedev", which > lives in /sbin, plus a standard-but-modifiable database which lives > in /etc called "devtab" and "devtab.local" or whatever? Makedev will (god willing) not be a standard part of the system in 3.0; device nodes will appear and disappear by magic. (I am, incidentally, not kidding.) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 20:25:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA05386 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:25:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA05371 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:25:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA09352; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:22:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803150422.UAA09352@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Bill/Carolyn Pechter cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Upgrade problem at beta In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:20:53 EST." <199803150320.WAA29921@shell.monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:22:34 -0800 From: Mike Smith Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id UAA05372 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Just upgraded from 2.2.5-STABLE to -BETA (CVSUP as of Friday) > > Here's the new fstab following the slice switch (they were sd0a, etc...) ... looks OK. > /dev/sd0s4a / ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd0s4b none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/sd0s4d /var ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd0s4e /usr ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd0s4f /usr/ftp ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd0s4h /tmp ufs rw 0 1 > /dev/sd0s4g /home ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd3s1 /home/ncvs ufs rw 1 1 > #/dev/sd3c /usr/obj ufs rw,async 1 1 > /dev/sd0s2 /dos msdos rw 0 0 > /dev/cd0a /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 > proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 > > ------------------------------- > I get the following from savecore at boot time... > Savecore was built today in the make world. > savecore msg. > > ------------------------------------- > savecore: warning: /kernel version mismatch: > > > > FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA #0: Sat Mar 14 17:55:10 EST 1998 > > > and > And what? Or is that explicitly "and nothing"? Did you have a partial dump? It's quite convinced that there is a dump in your swap area; it's established that the dump magic number is at the right offset, but almost everything else is bogus. I can't see how this would be related to changing the root device. 8( Is it consistent, or just a once-off? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 20:31:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06125 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:31:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cube3.erinet.com (cube3.erinet.com [198.6.245.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA06078 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:31:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard@cube3.erinet.com) Received: from localhost (richard@localhost) by cube3.erinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA18771 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 23:36:35 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from richard@cube3.erinet.com) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 23:36:35 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Stanaford Reply-To: Richard Stanaford To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. In-Reply-To: <199803150304.TAA00508.gramarye.wrsomsky@halcyon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk You might as well add me to the list. :-) Fortune has graced me with a little box that I can play with and I have a nice brand new 2.2.5-RELEASE installation on it, but I want to go -stable. I'll fully back up William on this. There are several instances where I have searched the archives looking for varying types of information. In most cases I either found what I was looking for or at least had a direction to go. I do not think of the archives as a good resource of caveats, however. I have 2.2.5-RELEASE on my box for about three days and I have jumped in to the -stable mailing list trying to get a grasp of what the issues are and what might bite me. I am all for reading first and building later, but if there is any way there can be a list of some type, a log, something that anyone can look at after synching up their source tree and see that "if you are not aware of this particular detail, before you 'make world', it's going to getcha." I have the fortune of my box not being mission critical. So if I try something and it dies, I can pick up the pieces and even start over being that much the wiser. But to have a resource of the type that William, perhaps others, and I have described, would be invaluable, if feasible. Irregardless, stable@freebsd.org is still a joy to read. - Richard. On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, William R. Somsky wrote: > I'll second this. > > I'm running a home machine and a couple at work with 2.2.5-stable > -- excuse me, it's 2.2.6-beta now -- and I'm trying to follow > the -stable mailing list, but there's enough there that one can > easily miss something. It would be nice if there was a web-page > and/or ftp-file that contained a summary of current errata, need-to-know > and don't-forget information, and even just useful notes, that > contained the current state of needed information. I mean, the > mailing list is good for ongoing discussions about things, but its > just not very good as a reference. _I'd_ use such a page. I'm > trying to be a knowledgeble -stable user, but inevitably, something > will go by in a discussion that I don't particularly pay attention > to at the time, and then I get bitten by it later.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 20:31:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06327 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:31:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA06288 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:31:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA09392; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:28:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803150428.UAA09392@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Jim Hodges cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Please recap upgrade proceedure In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:36:50 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:28:21 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Now that the smoke has cleared, can someone please document the steps > necessary to insure a safe install of the new disk slice code? Ensure that make is updated at the same time, or before, you update your kernel. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 20:35:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA07116 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:35:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from elvis.vnet.net (elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA07038 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:34:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hajime@vnet.net) Received: from katie.vnet.net (hajime@katie.vnet.net [166.82.1.7]) by elvis.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA23787; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 23:35:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hajime@localhost) by katie.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA27601; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 23:35:57 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: katie.vnet.net: hajime owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 23:35:57 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Hodges To: Bill/Carolyn Pechter cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Upgrade problem at beta In-Reply-To: <199803150320.WAA29921@shell.monmouth.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from BASE64 to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id UAA07074 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk You may have done or know this already, if so please ignore. Since this was a very special change you will need to recompile your kernel. If you have done this already try to boot the old kernel at boot prompt: sd0:sd(1,a)kernel.old (Please check the boot message for exact syntax). Also you may need to use /dev/MAKEDEV to update your disk devices. Some have suggested you update the /dev/MAKEDEV script from /usr/src/etc/etc.i386 first. Hope this helps, Jim On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Bill/Carolyn Pechter wrote: > Just upgraded from 2.2.5-STABLE to -BETA (CVSUP as of Friday) > > Here's the new fstab following the slice switch (they were sd0a, etc...) > > /dev/sd0s4a / ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd0s4b none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/sd0s4d /var ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd0s4e /usr ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd0s4f /usr/ftp ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd0s4h /tmp ufs rw 0 1 > /dev/sd0s4g /home ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/sd3s1 /home/ncvs ufs rw 1 1 > #/dev/sd3c /usr/obj ufs rw,async 1 1 > /dev/sd0s2 /dos msdos rw 0 0 > /dev/cd0a /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 > proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 > > ------------------------------- > I get the following from savecore at boot time... > Savecore was built today in the make world. > savecore msg. > > ------------------------------------- > savecore: warning: /kernel version mismatch: > > > > FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA #0: Sat Mar 14 17:55:10 EST 1998 > > > and > > savecore: reboot after panic: ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ! > ! > ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ > savecore: system went down at Thu Jul 27 23:42:40 1961 > dump time is unreasonable > +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Bill/Carolyn Pechter | 17 Meredith Drive | Tinton Falls, New Jersey 07724 | > | 908-389-3592 | Save computing history, give an old geek old hardware. | > | pechter@shell.monmouth.com | > +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > ___________________________________________________ Jim Hodges jim.hodges@vnet.net ___________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 21:37:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15064 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:37:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA15059 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:37:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA09640; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:35:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803150535.VAA09640@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Michael V. Harding" cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Um, a modest proposal (slices/mount) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:04:01 PST." <199803141404.GAA02166@netcom1.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:35:49 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Before the flamefest becomes a firestorm... > > Why not modify the kernel makefile so it won't do an install (or > perhaps a build) if the wrong mount is installed? > > I don't know how to check version of Unix files - sorry if this is not > practical... It's a nice idea, but as you allude, actually implementing the check in a consistent and dependable fashion would be very difficult. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 21:40:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15284 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:40:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA15226; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:40:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA09622; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:34:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803150534.VAA09622@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Robert Watson cc: Mike Smith , Doug White , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Aleksey Zvyagin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:45:14 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:34:55 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > If you update /sbin/mount at the same time, it's a no-op. I got bitten > > by the two different "dedicated" disk types issue though; that hurt. > > The fix is still being tested in -current, but I haven't heard any > > complaints about it, so I was planning to bring it over tonight. > > > > I think it was my turn to be bitten by a "this is simple and innocouous > > and will reduce world ugliness" change. 8( > > In fact, there are situations where the upgrade of /sbin/mount and the > kernel at the same time on a "sliced" machine *WILL NOT WORK*. There were situations. The situation in question eluded my testing, and whilst I had a fix for it relatively quickly, I wanted to soak it in -current for a day or two at least. The fix has now been committed; there are no legitimate disk configurations that I am currently aware of where the slice information passed in from the bootstrap is not now correctly handled. > That is, there are two slices on wd0, the boot device. The a partition > (wd0a) completely fills wd0s1. The other three partitions on wd0 are in > wd0s2. So the unfortunate news is that /dev/wd0s1a DID NOT EXIST. The > 2.0.5 install floppy that originally built the machine never created the > slice entries in /dev, and therefore the remount from root_device to > /dev/wd0s1a failed. Talk about sucky. The root_device is read-only by > definition, and now one is at a single-user shell but cannot write to the > device to create a device node, and cannot remount to make it writable. :) > While this is definitely fixable, it is fairly sucky. :) This is not a "legitimate" configuration. There' s not a great deal I can do about missing device nodes. 8( > Sorry to whine, but it was a generally unpleasent experience. I should > have checked more carefully, but to be honest, I probably never thought to > create the slice /dev entries later because they were never used. I have > upgraded the machine from 2.0.5 up through 2.2.2 before switching to > -STABLE and never had a problem. :) I will happily concede (have already conceeded) that the timing of this was very poor. I'll wear the hair shirt for a few more days at least. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 22:34:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA20308 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:34:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA20300 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:34:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (tnt205.wcc.net [208.10.139.205]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA19544; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:29:10 -0600 (CST) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA03658; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:32:46 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:32:46 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199803150632.AAA03658@detlev.UUCP> To: mike@smith.net.au CC: mvh@netcom.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199803150535.VAA09640@dingo.cdrom.com> (message from Mike Smith on Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:35:49 -0800) Subject: Re: Um, a modest proposal (slices/mount) From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <199803150535.VAA09640@dingo.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> Before the flamefest becomes a firestorm... >> Why not modify the kernel makefile so it won't do an install (or >> perhaps a build) if the wrong mount is installed? >> I don't know how to check version of Unix files - sorry if this is not >> practical... > It's a nice idea, but as you allude, actually implementing the check in > a consistent and dependable fashion would be very difficult. if expr `identd /sbin/mount | grep mount.c | awk {print $3;}` \>= 1.22 ; Note that I don't know the correct RCS version number to use here. -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 14 22:56:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA22066 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:56:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22003 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:56:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (newip6.wcc.net [206.104.247.6]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA20352; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:50:59 -0600 (CST) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA08387; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:54:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:54:50 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199803150654.AAA08387@detlev.UUCP> To: joelh@gnu.org CC: mike@smith.net.au, mvh@netcom.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199803150632.AAA03658@detlev.UUCP> (message from Joel Ray Holveck on Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:32:46 -0600 (CST)) Subject: Re: Um, a modest proposal (slices/mount) From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <199803150535.VAA09640@dingo.cdrom.com> <199803150632.AAA03658@detlev.UUCP> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> It's a nice idea, but as you allude, actually implementing the check in >> a consistent and dependable fashion would be very difficult. > if expr `identd /sbin/mount | grep mount.c | awk {print $3;}` \>= 1.22 ; Sorry, s/identd/ident/ -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 00:17:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00362 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:17:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.2.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA00356 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:17:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chad@freebie.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.7/8.8.3a) id BAA17629; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 01:16:35 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199803150816.BAA17629@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: More problems with new slice code To: gkshenaut@ucdavis.edu Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 01:16:35 -0700 (MST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199803150128.RAA06992@myrtle1.bogs.org> from Greg Shenaut at "Mar 14, 98 05:27:56 pm" Reply-to: chad@dcfinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Actually, I've always wondered by MAKEDEV sits in /dev--of course, > there is now a considerable tradition for it, but doesn't it make > more sense to split it into a standard utility, "makedev", which > lives in /sbin, plus a standard-but-modifiable database which lives > in /etc called "devtab" and "devtab.local" or whatever? > > -Greg Yes. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-953-1392 chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 02:22:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA00514 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 02:22:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA00480 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 02:21:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA04498; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 01:55:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <350BA5A7.4B30A82E@dal.net> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 01:55:51 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA-0313 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Stanaford CC: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Richard Stanaford wrote: > > You might as well add me to the list. :-) Fortune has graced me with a > little box that I can play with and I have a nice brand new 2.2.5-RELEASE > installation on it, but I want to go -stable. I'll fully back up William > on this. There are several instances where I have searched the archives > looking for varying types of information. In most cases I either found > what I was looking for or at least had a direction to go. I do not think > of the archives as a good resource of caveats, however. I have > 2.2.5-RELEASE on my box for about three days and I have jumped in to the > -stable mailing list trying to get a grasp of what the issues are and what > might bite me. I am all for reading first and building later, but if > there is any way there can be a list of some type, a log, something that > anyone can look at after synching up their source tree and see that "if > you are not aware of this particular detail, before you 'make world', it's > going to getcha." The definition for -Stable generally precludes these kinds of things. They are much more frequent in -Current. However, every time I've seen one of these things announced (in the last two years) the same mantra has been repeated, "Build the world, then build the kernel, then reboot." Following that advice I've never been bitten, except once where it was traced back to an oddity with stale headers. Therefore I've added a new line to the mantra, "If you're moving up a major or minor version level, haven't built in a while, or want to be extra cautious, build the world with -CLOBBER; build the kernel, then reboot." You can find more such wisdom at http://home.san.rr.com/freebsd/upgrade.html. With respect to Nik's version of this tutorial I think I do more step by step info that someone new to making the world would be interested in. I do have a link to his page (the one that's on the freebsd web page) as well and I do point out that reading both is probably a good idea. > I have the fortune of my box not being mission critical. So if I try > something and it dies, I can pick up the pieces and even start over being > that much the wiser. But to have a resource of the type that William, > perhaps others, and I have described, would be invaluable, if feasible. > Irregardless, stable@freebsd.org is still a joy to read. Oh? Which -stable list are *you* reading? :) Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 02:22:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA00571 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 02:22:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from helios.dnttm.ru (root@dnttm-gw.rssi.ru [193.232.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA00512 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 02:22:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by helios.dnttm.ru (8.8.5/8.8.5/IP-3) with UUCP id MAA20244; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:51:44 +0300 Received: from tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA02240; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:01:14 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Message-Id: <199803151001.NAA02240@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Bruce Evans cc: mike@smith.net.au, obrien@NUXI.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *HEADS UP* Correction to previous postings. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:09:10 +1100." <199803150309.OAA22977@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:01:14 +0300 From: Dmitrij Tejblum Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Bruce Evans wrote: > Not quite true. It was and is possible to mount root as wd1a by booting > with -r ("config kernel root on wd1") or -a ("config kernel swap on > generic"). "root on wd1s[a-h]" should also work. -a only supports > slice = compatbility slice, partition = 'a'. Ah, thanks, -r works. Now my disk unsliced again :) Dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 05:00:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA14459 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 05:00:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA14453 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 05:00:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA18886; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:00:25 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA18438; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:00:24 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980315140024.38715@follo.net> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:00:24 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Mike Smith , Jim Hodges Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Please recap upgrade proceedure References: <199803150428.UAA09392@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199803150428.UAA09392@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 08:28:21PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 08:28:21PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > Now that the smoke has cleared, can someone please document the steps > > necessary to insure a safe install of the new disk slice code? > > Ensure that make is updated at the same time, or before, you update > your kernel. Mike is really saying 'mount' here. You're just misreading it as 'make' due to your monitor being dirty - this is probably a good time to clean it. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 05:08:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA15102 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 05:08:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA15096 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 05:08:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA18952; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:07:46 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA18457; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:07:45 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980315140745.09906@follo.net> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:07:45 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: joelh@gnu.org Cc: mike@smith.net.au, mvh@netcom.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Um, a modest proposal (slices/mount) References: <199803150535.VAA09640@dingo.cdrom.com> <199803150632.AAA03658@detlev.UUCP> <199803150654.AAA08387@detlev.UUCP> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199803150654.AAA08387@detlev.UUCP>; from Joel Ray Holveck on Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 12:54:50AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 12:54:50AM -0600, Joel Ray Holveck wrote: > > >> It's a nice idea, but as you allude, actually implementing the check in > >> a consistent and dependable fashion would be very difficult. > > if expr `identd /sbin/mount | grep mount.c | awk {print $3;}` \>= 1.22 ; > > Sorry, s/identd/ident/ If anybody decide to add this, then please respect ${DESTDIR}. (Also, it is probably a good idea to make sure the compare is a numeric component compare, not a string or decimal compare.) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 06:34:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20446 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 06:34:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from as5200-port-254.no.neosoft.com (as5200-port-254.no.neosoft.com [206.27.167.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20427 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 06:33:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from conrads@as5200-port-254.no.neosoft.com) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by as5200-port-254.no.neosoft.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id IAA14374; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 08:31:00 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2-beta-102697 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 08:30:59 -0000 (GMT) Reply-To: Conrad Sabatier Organization: NeoSoft, Inc. From: Conrad Sabatier To: Matt Behrens Subject: Re: XFree86 by hand on 2.2.5-STABLE Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On 09-Mar-98 Matt Behrens wrote: > I seem to remember that the method for installing XFree86 by hand changed > at some point since I bought my Complete FreeBSD book w/ 2.1.6. Has it? Do you mean actually installing, or just configuring? -- Conrad Sabatier http://www.neosoft.com/~conrads And the Deep Thought of the Day (tm) is: Spend extra time on hobby. Get plenty of rolling papers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 07:52:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA26609 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 07:52:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA26457 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 07:49:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA19627; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:35:34 GMT (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199803151535.PAA19627@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Bill Trost cc: Brian Somers , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problems with PPP In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Mar 1998 08:35:05 PST." <19980314163556.11332.qmail@jli.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:35:34 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Brian Somers writes: > This looks like a ``first connection'' problem. There's a bit in the FAQ > about it. > > If you're running in -auto mode, the first program to trigger the dial will > bind to the interface address of the tun device - in your config, this is > 0.0.0.0 before the connection is made. > > I don't think that is the problem. If I run ping or dig after the link has > come up, it's still using 0.0.0.0 as the source address. I'm sorry to say, but AFAIK, this is impossible, and even if it *is* actually happening, it's nothing to do with ppp :-( If you run tcpdump on the tun interface, you get to see packets going ``out'' on the tun interface before ppp gets it's hands on them. The only way you can get a packet with a source address of 0.0.0.0 is to generate it on a machine that thinks it's interface address is 0.0.0.0. This isn't the case in your example: > bash# tcpdump -n -i tun0 > tcpdump: listening on tun0 > 23:40:00.184347 0.0.0.0.53 > 128.9.0.107.53: 58951 A? internic.net. (30) > 23:40:01.194388 0.0.0.0.53 > 192.33.4.12.53: 58948 A? internic.net. (30) > ^C > bash# ifconfig tun0 > tun0: flags=8051 mtu 1500 > inet 131.252.218.8 --> 204.203.69.20 netmask 0xffff0000 Of course ppp will just pick these packets up and forward them. If you've got aliasing configured, it'll stick the 131.252.218.8 address in as the source IP, and change reply packets back to 0.0.0.0. Does ``netstat -rn'' show up with anything interesting ? -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 07:54:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA26776 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 07:54:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Jupiter.internal.planet-three.com (host5-99-52-32.btinternet.com [195.99.52.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA26768 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 07:54:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scot@internal.planet-three.com) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by Jupiter.internal.planet-three.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA14424 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:53:49 GMT (envelope-from scot@internal.planet-three.com) X-Authentication-Warning: Jupiter.internal.planet-three.com: scot owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:53:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Scot Elliott To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Secure mirror Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi. I was wondering why there was only one site serving the international secure stuff for FreeBSD. I know a lot of countries have export regulations about this and South Africa doesnt (?). Anyway - I'd be willing to mirror this on a machine here for UK and European users. We've got a fair amount of bandwidth spare to us at the moment that I really should do *something* with. Would this be helpful? And if so, does anyone know what the regulations are in the UK? Would it have to be restricted to UK residents only? I can do without having to consult a lawyer on this really. Cheers Scot. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 08:20:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA00738 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 08:20:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (pechter@shell.monmouth.com [205.231.236.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA00720 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 08:20:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pechter@shell.monmouth.com) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA25065 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:19:55 -0500 (EST) From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199803151619.LAA25065@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Savecore message under beta... To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:19:55 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Well, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rsd0s4b seems to have fixed the problem. So far it looks like my machine was the one anomaly. Bill > ------------------------------- > I get the following from savecore at boot time... > Savecore was built today in the make world. > savecore msg. > > ------------------------------------- > savecore: warning: /kernel version mismatch: > > FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA #0: Sat Mar 14 17:55:10 EST 1998 > > > and > > savecore: reboot after panico > savecore: system went down at Thu Jul 27 23:42:40 1961 > dump time is unreasonable To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 08:22:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA00892 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 08:22:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA00849 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 08:21:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19305; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:21:41 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA20834; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:21:12 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Message-Id: <199803151621.SAA20834@greenpeace.grondar.za> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Scot Elliott cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Secure mirror Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:21:11 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Scot Elliott wrote: > I was wondering why there was only one site serving the international > secure stuff for FreeBSD. I know a lot of countries have export > regulations about this and South Africa doesnt (?). There is a Brazilian mirror. > Anyway - I'd be willing to mirror this on a machine here for UK and > European users. We've got a fair amount of bandwidth spare to us at the > moment that I really should do *something* with. Would this be helpful? > And if so, does anyone know what the regulations are in the UK? Would it > have to be restricted to UK residents only? I can do without having to > consult a lawyer on this really. Great! That would be very nice! (Remember that all the Non-USA CVSUP servers are essentially mirrors). Gimme a yell if you need help - I am one of the ZA mirror maintainers. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 10:38:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13647 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:38:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from elvis.vnet.net (elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13637 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:38:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hajime@vnet.net) Received: from katie.vnet.net (hajime@katie.vnet.net [166.82.1.7]) by elvis.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA05820; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:39:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hajime@localhost) by katie.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA03918; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:39:12 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: katie.vnet.net: hajime owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:39:12 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Hodges To: Bill/Carolyn Pechter cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Savecore message under beta... In-Reply-To: <199803151619.LAA25065@shell.monmouth.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Was that a swap area? On Sun, 15 Mar 1998, Bill/Carolyn Pechter wrote: > Well, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rsd0s4b seems to have fixed the problem. > So far it looks like my machine was the one anomaly. > > Bill > > ------------------------------- > > I get the following from savecore at boot time... > > Savecore was built today in the make world. > > savecore msg. > > > > ------------------------------------- > > savecore: warning: /kernel version mismatch: > > > > FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA #0: Sat Mar 14 17:55:10 EST 1998 > > > > > > and > > > > savecore: reboot after panico > > savecore: system went down at Thu Jul 27 23:42:40 1961 > > dump time is unreasonable > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 11:41:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19530 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:41:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bsampley.vip.best.com (bsampley.vip.best.com [206.184.160.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19524 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:41:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsampley@best.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bsampley.vip.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA04637 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:39:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsampley@best.com) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:39:11 -0800 (PST) From: Burton Sampley X-Sender: bsampley@bsampley.vip.best.com To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. In-Reply-To: <350BA5A7.4B30A82E@dal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Greetings, I just want to throw in my 2 cents worth. I think it's a great idea to add a README file to /usr/src, but the biggest hiccup I see, is that adds yet another task for the already overburdened person submitting the code. Also, would a separate README be created for each major change? Who would be responsible for making sure that it is up to date at the exact second you decide to cvsup so you actually get the correct revision of the file? It's a good idea and I would love to have something like it in place, but since -stable is such a constantly moving target, I think it would create a significant burden on someone to try to maintain it. One solution I came up with is another person not actually involved in the coding monitoring the cvs-commit mailing list and then appropriately updating or creating the README. The biggest problem with this idea is miscommunication or the possibility of a big change slipping through the cracks. Another solution I thought of would be to create another mailing list like announce-stable where these types of heads-up announcements could be broadcast to the appropriate audience. Postings would be limited to people with commit authorization. The biggest problem with this idea is it does not give a clear mechanism for further discussion and follow-up questions. With the separate mailing list (which subscription to would be mandatory for subscribing to -stable) that would provide an easier mechanism to search the archives for missed pertinent postings. I don't know how easy this would be to create/maintain. - -burton- - --------------- Burton Sampley bsampley@best.com or bsampley@haywire.csuhayward.edu PGP key available at http://www.best.com/~bsampley/pgp.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNQwuZXt2O8KJtMdBAQHuVQQAoI0PJz+qgpX3TI3Lq3EUY7T1XHZ+/Mod J6ikl16Net0swUripJnaq7IrR2cSa6NjofQc5uXDdLSXa45U56eiWNo1fhx3vtpA 9DK2hcbUgovUIbx/PIoahVc+S5vs097tqGVWISDP5GnX6A9eEsZkEbTXOCHfeYSg K4+90/dpazE= =V2fT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 12:03:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA21888 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:03:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from enterprise.cs.unm.edu (enterprise-atm.cs.unm.edu [198.83.90.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA21852; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:02:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from colinj@cs.unm.edu) Received: from viper.cs.unm.edu [198.59.151.25] by enterprise.cs.unm.edu with smtp (Exim 1.80 #2) id 0yEJcD-0001qY-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:02:37 -0700 Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:03:09 -0700 (MST) From: Colin Eric Johnson Reply-To: Colin Eric Johnson To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, Free Unix Users of New Mexico Subject: Trouble with kernel from FreeBSD-stable (2.2.6-beta?) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I've been trying to follow, via cvsup, the freebsd-stable branch. I just rebuilt the kernel on my machine and I've run into a problem that I'm not sure what to do about. I'm using the same config file that I used with the 2.2.5-release source and that kernel works just fine. When I build the kernel and boot I get the following: the kernel is labeled: 2.2.6-beta #0 Once all of the devices have been found and checked this new kernel attempts to change the device that root is on: changing root device to: wd0s2a it then mounts swap and then begins the fsck. at this point it give the following error /dev/wd0a on /: specified device does not match mounted device. Now, I understand that it is trying to mount a different device then what I have specified in the config file: config kernel root on wd0 What I am not at all sure about is why this is. Have the config options changed with the the stable branch? Am I missing something from the config file for the kernel? My disks look like this: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/wd0a 180495 43910 122146 26% / /dev/wd1s1e 1205727 944425 164844 85% /usr /dev/wd0s1e 149279 4360 132977 3% /var procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc the actual slices on my first disk are wd0s1a / wd0s1b swap wd0s1e /var ? Colin E. Johnson | colinj@unm.edu | http://www.unm.edu/~colinj/ ``Science explains the world, but only Art can reconcile us to it.'' -Stanislaw Lem "King Globare and the Sages" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 12:43:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA27704 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:43:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from elvis.vnet.net (elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27627; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:42:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hajime@vnet.net) Received: from katie.vnet.net (hajime@katie.vnet.net [166.82.1.7]) by elvis.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA18964; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:43:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hajime@localhost) by katie.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA05278; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:43:54 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: katie.vnet.net: hajime owned process doing -bs Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:43:48 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Hodges To: Colin Eric Johnson cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, Free Unix Users of New Mexico Subject: Re: Trouble with kernel from FreeBSD-stable (2.2.6-beta?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, 15 Mar 1998, Colin Eric Johnson wrote: > I've been trying to follow, via cvsup, the freebsd-stable branch. I just > rebuilt the kernel on my machine and I've run into a problem that I'm not > sure what to do about. > Make sure you have cvsup'ed recently. Then be sure to make world. > I'm using the same config file that I used with the 2.2.5-release source > and that kernel works just fine. When I build the kernel and boot I get > the following: > > the kernel is labeled: 2.2.6-beta #0 > Rebuild the kernel before you reboot. > Once all of the devices have been found and checked this new kernel > attempts to change the device that root is on: > > changing root device to: wd0s2a I am unclear why this is wd0s2a instead of wd0s1a if the latter is really your root partition. > > it then mounts swap and then begins the fsck. at this point it give the > following error > > /dev/wd0a on /: specified device does not match mounted device. > The compatability slice wd0a is going away and the code to mount root on the actual slice has been put in place. > Now, I understand that it is trying to mount a different device then what > I have specified in the config file: > > config kernel root on wd0 > > What I am not at all sure about is why this is. Have the config options > changed with the the stable branch? Am I missing something from the config > file for the kernel? My disks look like this: > Change /etc/fstab to reflect the actual slice root is to be mounted from: /dev/wd0s1a or wd0s2a .... Again before you reboot. > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/wd0a 180495 43910 122146 26% / > /dev/wd1s1e 1205727 944425 164844 85% /usr > /dev/wd0s1e 149279 4360 132977 3% /var > procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc > Looks like should be /dev/wd0s1a from your note below but wd0s2a from the kernel message above ???? Also you should update the /dev/MAKEDEV script from /usr/src/etc/etc.i386 and them make your boot device. > the actual slices on my first disk are > wd0s1a / > wd0s1b swap > wd0s1e /var > > ? > > Colin E. Johnson | colinj@unm.edu | http://www.unm.edu/~colinj/ > ``Science explains the world, but only Art can reconcile us to it.'' > -Stanislaw Lem "King Globare and the Sages" > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 13:33:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03104 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:33:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from set.spradley.tmi.net (set.spradley.tmi.net [207.170.107.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA02392; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:32:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net) Received: from localhost (set.spradley.tmi.net) [127.0.0.1] by set.spradley.tmi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yEKyr-00053H-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:30:05 -0600 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Jim Hodges cc: Colin Eric Johnson , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, Free Unix Users of New Mexico Subject: Re: Trouble with kernel from FreeBSD-stable (2.2.6-beta?) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:43:48 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:30:04 -0600 From: Ted Spradley Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > On Sun, 15 Mar 1998, Colin Eric Johnson wrote: > > I'm using the same config file that I used with the 2.2.5-release source > > and that kernel works just fine. When I build the kernel and boot I get > > the following: > > > > the kernel is labeled: 2.2.6-beta #0 > > > > Rebuild the kernel before you reboot. A bit late for that advice now. But Mr. Johnson said he had built a kernel. He didn't say that he rebuilt /sbin/mount. Perhaps that's the problem. Generally, 'make world' before you make and boot a new (upgraded, not just reconfigured) kernel. > > > Once all of the devices have been found and checked this new kernel > > attempts to change the device that root is on: > > > > changing root device to: wd0s2a > > I am unclear why this is wd0s2a instead of wd0s1a if the latter is really > your root partition. There has been a great deal of discussion on this list in the last few days about this of-by-one error. It boils down to: a) the slice number is one greater than it should be. b) don't worry about it. c) it will be fixed soon, but it's not as easy as it might seem. > > it then mounts swap and then begins the fsck. at this point it give the > > following error > > > > /dev/wd0a on /: specified device does not match mounted device. > > > > The compatability slice wd0a is going away and the code to mount root on > the actual slice has been put in place. > > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > > /dev/wd0a 180495 43910 122146 26% / > > /dev/wd1s1e 1205727 944425 164844 85% /usr > > /dev/wd0s1e 149279 4360 132977 3% /var This is the situation the new /sbin/mount can deal with but the old one can't. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 13:48:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08200 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:48:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from elvis.vnet.net (elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07770; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:46:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hajime@vnet.net) Received: from katie.vnet.net (hajime@katie.vnet.net [166.82.1.7]) by elvis.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA25852; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:47:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hajime@localhost) by katie.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA06015; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:47:26 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: katie.vnet.net: hajime owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:47:25 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Hodges To: Ted Spradley cc: Colin Eric Johnson , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, Free Unix Users of New Mexico Subject: Re: Trouble with kernel from FreeBSD-stable (2.2.6-beta?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, 15 Mar 1998, Ted Spradley wrote: > > > > On Sun, 15 Mar 1998, Colin Eric Johnson wrote: > > > > I'm using the same config file that I used with the 2.2.5-release source > > > and that kernel works just fine. When I build the kernel and boot I get > > > the following: > > > > > > the kernel is labeled: 2.2.6-beta #0 > > > > > > > Rebuild the kernel before you reboot. > > A bit late for that advice now. But Mr. Johnson said he had built a kernel. > He didn't say that he rebuilt /sbin/mount. Perhaps that's the problem. Yes Ted, that's why my message included these two lines before the ones you qouted from me: >Make sure you have cvsup'ed recently. >Then be sure to make world. :-) > > > > I am unclear why this is wd0s2a instead of wd0s1a if the latter is really > > your root partition. > > There has been a great deal of discussion on this list in the last few days > about this of-by-one error. It boils down to: a) the slice number is one > greater than it should be. b) don't worry about it. c) it will be fixed > soon, but it's not as easy as it might seem. Thanks for the summary, Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 14:05:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11713 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:05:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (0@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.110.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11699 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:05:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cy@cschuber.net.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.8/8.6.10) id OAA15956; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:03:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from cschuber.net.gov.bc.ca(142.31.240.113), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpdaapsca; Sun Mar 15 14:03:03 1998 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.8.8/8.6.10) id KAA07972; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:58:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803151858.KAA07972@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpd007964; Sun Mar 15 10:58:00 1998 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 Reply-to: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-Sender: cy To: Mike Smith cc: gkshenaut@ucdavis.edu, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More problems with new slice code In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:09:30 PST." <199803150409.UAA09297@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:57:59 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Actually, I've always wondered by MAKEDEV sits in /dev--of course, > > there is now a considerable tradition for it, but doesn't it make > > more sense to split it into a standard utility, "makedev", which > > lives in /sbin, plus a standard-but-modifiable database which lives > > in /etc called "devtab" and "devtab.local" or whatever? > > Makedev will (god willing) not be a standard part of the system in 3.0; > device nodes will appear and disappear by magic. > > (I am, incidentally, not kidding.) Kind of like boot -r under Solaris... Right? Or will these device nodes appear when a new kernel is built, like DEC UNIX? If this is done automatically without a SysAdmin being aware, e.g. asking via an option, like Solaris, or installing a new kernel, like DEC UNIX, won't this cause some confusion? -- Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 UNIX Support OV/VM: BCSC02(CSCHUBER) ITSD BITNET: CSCHUBER@BCSC02.BITNET Government of BC Internet: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca Cy.Schubert@gems8.gov.bc.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 14:05:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11752 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:05:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (0@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.110.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11696 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:05:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cy@cschuber.net.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.8/8.6.10) id OAA15916; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:03:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from cschuber.net.gov.bc.ca(142.31.240.113), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpdaapsca; Sun Mar 15 14:03:09 1998 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.8.8/8.6.10) id KAA07932; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:47:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803151847.KAA07932@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpd007923; Sun Mar 15 10:47:08 1998 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 Reply-to: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-Sender: cy To: Robert Watson cc: "Michael V. Harding" , bsampley@best.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More problems with new slice code In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:13:11 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:47:07 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Michael V. Harding wrote: > > > I and everyone I know has been bitten by ./MAKEDEV deleting existing > > slices. This can make the system fail in a way that can take up to a > > day of headscratching to fix. And you can't even read the man pages. > > > > Could ./MAKEDEV make all slices by default, instead? > > Or, maybe MAKEDEV should MAKE DEVICES and not DELETE DEVICES. :) Anyone > can rm a device node. But creating them requires a priori knowledge of > device numbers, etc. Why not have MAKEDEV create a file (shell script) of rm commands that could be perused or edited prior to deleting device nodes. Another alternative might be to have an interactive MAKEDEV. > > Robert N Watson > > Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ > SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ > robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 UNIX Support OV/VM: BCSC02(CSCHUBER) ITSD BITNET: CSCHUBER@BCSC02.BITNET Government of BC Internet: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca Cy.Schubert@gems8.gov.bc.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 14:23:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA15991 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:23:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA15970 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:22:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12091; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:19:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803152219.OAA12091@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group cc: Mike Smith , gkshenaut@ucdavis.edu, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More problems with new slice code In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:57:59 PST." <199803151858.KAA07972@cwsys.cwsent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:19:33 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > Actually, I've always wondered by MAKEDEV sits in /dev--of course, > > > there is now a considerable tradition for it, but doesn't it make > > > more sense to split it into a standard utility, "makedev", which > > > lives in /sbin, plus a standard-but-modifiable database which lives > > > in /etc called "devtab" and "devtab.local" or whatever? > > > > Makedev will (god willing) not be a standard part of the system in 3.0; > > device nodes will appear and disappear by magic. > > > > (I am, incidentally, not kidding.) > > Kind of like boot -r under Solaris... Right? Or will these device > nodes appear when a new kernel is built, like DEC UNIX? The nodes are completely dynamic; when a device is found (eg. at boot time, or when a PCCARD is inserted, or when a PCI LKM is loaded, or whenever) they appear, and when a device goes away (card removed, etc.) they disappear. > If this is done automatically without a SysAdmin being aware, e.g. > asking via an option, like Solaris, or installing a new kernel, like > DEC UNIX, won't this cause some confusion? I expect there to be a moderately loud acclimatisation period, yes. 8) However the tradeoff is that you will never have to explain to anyone what MAKEDEV is all about, or why there are devices listed in /dev/ that don't exist on the system. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 14:27:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16692 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:27:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16676 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:26:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12134; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:24:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803152224.OAA12134@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Bill/Carolyn Pechter cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Savecore message under beta... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:19:55 EST." <199803151619.LAA25065@shell.monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:24:03 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Well, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rsd0s4b seems to have fixed the problem. > So far it looks like my machine was the one anomaly. Hmm, interesting given the timing. Basically, if the dump magic shows up at the right place in the swap partition, you'll get this behaviour. I didn't want to dismiss that trivially though... -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 14:32:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17273 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:32:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA17210 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:32:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from trojanhorse.pr.watson.org (trojanhorse.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.10]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id RAA25842; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:28:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:28:01 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: Mike Smith cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , gkshenaut@ucdavis.edu, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More problems with new slice code In-Reply-To: <199803152219.OAA12091@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, 15 Mar 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > Makedev will (god willing) not be a standard part of the system in 3.0; > > > device nodes will appear and disappear by magic. > > > > > > (I am, incidentally, not kidding.) > > > > Kind of like boot -r under Solaris... Right? Or will these device > > nodes appear when a new kernel is built, like DEC UNIX? > > The nodes are completely dynamic; when a device is found (eg. at boot > time, or when a PCCARD is inserted, or when a PCI LKM is loaded, or > whenever) they appear, and when a device goes away (card removed, etc.) > they disappear. Mike, Will it still be possible to create/use device nodes with mknod, etc, elsewhere in the file system? Robert N Watson Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 14:39:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19565 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:39:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from megaweapon.zigg.com (tcgr1-29.dialup.alliance.net [207.74.43.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19427 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:39:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@zigg.com) Received: from megaweapon.zigg.com (megaweapon.zigg.com [192.168.0.1]) by megaweapon.zigg.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA00305 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:39:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from matt@megaweapon.zigg.com) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:39:01 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Behrens To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: My -stable woes... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk OK, here's what happened to me when I cvsupped my kernel. I think it's a day or two old; I don't recall exactly. I needed the firewall options in place though. 1. Possibly unrelated -- kernel apparently was placed above the 1024-cyl limit on my poor old standard IDE controller, because on reboot I got something similar to this: C:1051 > 1023 Or something similar. In any case, I was able to repair it by removing kernel.GENERIC and reinstalling kernel. I presumed that this placed the kernel in kernel.GENERIC's spot, below 1024 cyl. (Yes, yes, I know, I should have had separate filesystems.) 2. I'm getting the "changing root to wd0s2a" as well, even though my fstab clearly now says wd0s1a. Matt Behrens | James McDougal dies in prison on March http://www.zigg.com/ | 9, 1998. The government says "cardiac Chanop Script Coordinator | arrest". Why doesn't anyone remember World-Wide FreeNet IRC Network | Vince Foster? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 14:46:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21568 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:46:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21556 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:46:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12236; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:42:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803152242.OAA12236@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Robert Watson cc: Mike Smith , Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , gkshenaut@ucdavis.edu, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: DEVFS (was Re: More problems with new slice code ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:28:01 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:42:40 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > > The nodes are completely dynamic; when a device is found (eg. at boot > > time, or when a PCCARD is inserted, or when a PCI LKM is loaded, or > > whenever) they appear, and when a device goes away (card removed, etc.) > > they disappear. > > Mike, > > Will it still be possible to create/use device nodes with mknod, etc, > elsewhere in the file system? No. The whole 'major/minor' number concept will ultimately be phased out, and device identifiers will be dynamically assigned. This basically makes static device nodes unuseful. Having said that, it will indeed be possible to have device nodes appear in more than one place, and have different permissions etc. in those separate places, which is I think what you are getting at (chrooted environments, etc.) If you're interested in getting a taste of this (and providing valuable feedback early in the picture), there are patches for -current which impement large portions of this already. See http://www.freebsd.org/~julian for more. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 15:01:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24560 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:01:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from megaweapon.zigg.com (tcgr1-29.dialup.alliance.net [207.74.43.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24505 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:01:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@zigg.com) Received: from varda.zigg.com (varda.zigg.com [192.168.0.2]) by megaweapon.zigg.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA02037 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:01:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from matt@megaweapon.zigg.com) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:01:04 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Behrens To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My -stable woes... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, 15 Mar 1998, Matt Behrens wrote: > 2. I'm getting the "changing root to wd0s2a" as well, even though my fstab > clearly now says wd0s1a. Please don't respond to this. I know what's going on. Matt Behrens | James McDougal dies in prison on March http://www.zigg.com/ | 9, 1998. The government says "cardiac Chanop Script Coordinator | arrest". Why doesn't anyone remember World-Wide FreeNet IRC Network | Vince Foster? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 15:13:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26734 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:13:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26712 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:13:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from trojanhorse.pr.watson.org (trojanhorse.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.10]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id SAA12662; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:13:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:12:16 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: Mike Smith cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , gkshenaut@ucdavis.edu, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DEVFS (was Re: More problems with new slice code ) In-Reply-To: <199803152242.OAA12236@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, 15 Mar 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > Will it still be possible to create/use device nodes with mknod, etc, > > elsewhere in the file system? > > No. The whole 'major/minor' number concept will ultimately be phased > out, and device identifiers will be dynamically assigned. This > basically makes static device nodes unuseful. > > Having said that, it will indeed be possible to have device nodes > appear in more than one place, and have different permissions etc. in > those separate places, which is I think what you are getting at > (chrooted environments, etc.) This is, indeed, what I had in mind -- it might be desirable to have a chroot'd daemon have access to a device. I was also wondering about NFS-exported devices, but with a devfs that is not really an issue. > If you're interested in getting a taste of this (and providing valuable > feedback early in the picture), there are patches for -current which > impement large portions of this already. See > http://www.freebsd.org/~julian for more. I may give that a try on one of our -current test machines in a week or so -- the -current Coda port is underway, and seeing how /dev/cfs0 (the coda device for Vice<->Kernel communication) behaves dynamically would be useful. Thanks for the information; this sounds like a great feature for reducing administrative load and preventing nasties :). Robert N Watson Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 15:25:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29156 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:25:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coyote.instrumatic.ch (coyote.instrumatic.ch [195.226.4.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29096; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:24:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ast@marabu.ch) Received: (from root@localhost) by coyote.instrumatic.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7/ast-971024) with UUCP id AAA19150; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:24:05 +0100 (MET) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by hawk.marabu.ch (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id AAA15292; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:18:03 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from ast@marabu.ch) Received: by marabu.marabu.ch (8.7.5/970531-ast-7.9) id AAA25361; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:15:26 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <199803152315.AAA25361@marabu.marabu.ch> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 2.0b6) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Adrian Steinmann Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 00:15:25 +0100 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP / disk slicing: a MAKEDEV deficiency for slices>0 ? cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organization: Steinmann Consulting, Apollostrasse 21, 8032 Zurich X-Phone-Numbers: Switzerland, Tel +41 1 380 30 83 Fax +41 1 380 30 85 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I have been watching the escalation of this HEADS UP and must admit that I've become more confused than I was before. So I will add some more confusion myself ;-) It seems that, for now, 'make world' in -stable sets -DROOTSLICE_HUNT to maintain downward compatibility in the mount source files. Good. It also appears, though, that /dev/MAKEDEV only makes the [a-h] partitions for s0, so this might be why some people are having problems booting with their "new /etc/fstab" (in fact, I believe this would happen when their root partition is not on slice 0). I've tracked this feature of MAKEDEV back to revision 1.76: $ co -r1.76 -p MAKEDEV,v |grep s0h MAKEDEV,v --> standard output revision 1.76 for slicepartname in s0h s1 s2 s3 s4 $ co -r1.75 -p MAKEDEV,v |grep s0h MAKEDEV,v --> standard output revision 1.75 Where we read this comment: revision 1.76 date: 1995/03/04 12:22:14; author: bde; state: Exp; lines: +56 -70 For sd, vn and wd: Support sliced devices better. E.g.: `sh MAKEDEV sd0' creates [r]sd0 and [r]sd0s[1-4] as well as [r]sd0[a-h] (the extra devices created by default won't hurt apart from wasting inodes). `sh MAKEDEV sd0s1[a-h]' creates [r]sd0s1[a-h] (any partition creates all). `sh MAKEDEV sd0s5' creates [r]sd0s5. Support unit numbers 0-31 (was 0-6). Note, in particular, that '(cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV all)' will not make the [a-h] partitions on any slices > 0. Maybe it's time to change the line for slicepartname in s0h s1 s2 s3 s4 to for slicepartname in s0h s1h s2h s3h s4h so that /dev/MAKEDEV makes the [a-h] /dev entries for all slices? Adrian _________________________________________________________________________ Dr. Adrian Steinmann Steinmann Consulting Apollostrasse 21 8032 Zurich Tel +41 1 380 30 83 Fax +41 1 380 30 85 Mailto:ast@marabu.ch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 15:31:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01256 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:31:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01251 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:31:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12471; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:27:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803152327.PAA12471@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Robert Watson cc: Mike Smith , Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , gkshenaut@ucdavis.edu, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DEVFS (was Re: More problems with new slice code ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:12:16 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:27:33 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > On Sun, 15 Mar 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > Having said that, it will indeed be possible to have device nodes > > appear in more than one place, and have different permissions etc. in > > those separate places, which is I think what you are getting at > > (chrooted environments, etc.) > > This is, indeed, what I had in mind -- it might be desirable to have a > chroot'd daemon have access to a device. I was also wondering about > NFS-exported devices, but with a devfs that is not really an issue. There are a lot of useful things for which having a partially or fully-populated dev directory in a chroot environment is essential. NFS-exported devices are actually problematic with a number of systems just now where non-BSD hosts can't provide device major/minor numbers of adequate size. > > If you're interested in getting a taste of this (and providing valuable > > feedback early in the picture), there are patches for -current which > > impement large portions of this already. See > > http://www.freebsd.org/~julian for more. > > I may give that a try on one of our -current test machines in a week or > so -- the -current Coda port is underway, and seeing how /dev/cfs0 (the > coda device for Vice<->Kernel communication) behaves dynamically would be > useful. Thanks for the information; this sounds like a great feature for > reducing administrative load and preventing nasties :). That's the general idea. 8) It would be extremely good to have third-party developers that think that this may interact with their product looking at the basic ideas now, to make sure that we take your concerns into account at a stage where we can still make major changes. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 15:33:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01793 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:33:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01773; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:33:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12496; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:30:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803152330.PAA12496@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Adrian Steinmann cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP / disk slicing: a MAKEDEV deficiency for slices>0 ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:15:25 +0100." <199803152315.AAA25361@marabu.marabu.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:30:31 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Note, in particular, that '(cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV all)' will not make > the [a-h] partitions on any slices > 0. > > Maybe it's time to change the line > > for slicepartname in s0h s1 s2 s3 s4 > > to > > for slicepartname in s0h s1h s2h s3h s4h > > so that /dev/MAKEDEV makes the [a-h] /dev entries for all slices? For whatever it's worth, slice 0 isn't actually terribly useful. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 16:04:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06406 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:04:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.scitec.com.au (firewall-user@fgate.scitec.com.au [203.17.180.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06345 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:03:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john.saunders@scitec.com.au) Received: by firewall.scitec.com.au; id KAA06209; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:03:12 +1000 (EST) Received: from mailhub.scitec.com.au(203.17.180.131) by fgate.scitec.com.au via smap (3.2) id xma006190; Mon, 16 Mar 98 10:02:46 +1000 Received: from hydra.scitec.com.au (hydra.scitec.com.au [203.17.182.101]) by mailhub.scitec.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA19356; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:02:38 +1000 Received: from scitec.com.au (saruman.scitec.com.au) by hydra.scitec.com.au with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA139306552; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:02:32 +1100 Message-Id: <350C6C19.BEE44B30@scitec.com.au> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:02:33 +1100 From: John Saunders Organization: SCITEC LIMITED X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. References: <1159.889807711@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > P.S. As has been covered in *great* detail this last week, and as is > also available via the mailing list archives, edit /dev/wd0a to be the > fully-slice-qualified name, like the other entries. e.g. /dev/wd0s1a. One thing change I haven't seen so far is a fix for MAKEDEV to make these devices. Since I'm on a SCSI drive the devices for sd0s1a to sd0s1f were there. However I don't see any for wd0, and I have run "sh MAKEDEV all" with the latest MAKEDEV. An "ls /dev/wd0s*" only shows wd0s1 to wd0s8 with no a b c d e etc devices. I am planning to move my stuff to an IDE drive which has more space so I was poking around in preperation. What am I missing? Cheers. -- +------------------------------------------------------------+ . | John Saunders mailto:John.Saunders@scitec.com.au (Work) | ,--_|\ | mailto:john@nlc.net.au (Home) | / Oz \ | http://www.nlc.net.au/~john/ | \_,--\_/ | SCITEC LIMITED Phone +61 2 9428 9563 Fax +61 2 9428 9933 | v | "By the time you make ends meet, they move the ends." | +------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 16:46:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA11301 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:46:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.196.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA11290 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:46:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp) Received: by outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp id AA11884; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:46:09 +0900 Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.7.6+2.6Wbeta7/3.4W/zodiac-May96) with ESMTP id JAA02098; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:54:17 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199803160054.JAA02098@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp Subject: ATTENTION: enabling the PS/2 mouse driver in GENERIC Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:54:16 +0900 From: Kazutaka YOKOTA Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk This issue has been raised several times before and we are approaching too close to 2.2.6-RELEASE. But, now I think it is safer to do this than ever. I would propose to enable the PS/2 mouse driver, psm, in the GENERIC kernel in 2.2-STABLE. In the past the psm driver caused problems with various motherboards, mostly old 386 and 486-based ones without the PS/2 mouse port. For this reason, the driver has been disabled by default and suggestion on enabling the driver were rejected. However, I believe that these motherboards are now out-numbered by newer motherboards and laptop computers with which the PS/2 mouse port comes as standard. We see a number of exchanges in mailing lists and news groups nowadays: "My PS/2 mouse doesn't work.", "Enable psm in UserConfig..." After enabling the psm driver in the GENERIC kernel, we may hear "My keyboard locks up (or works erratically)." occasionally, but, we can tell him to disable the psm driver then. After all, boot.flp advises the user to configure devices in UserConfig. If no one has any serious objection to this proposal, I would enable the driver by the end of the week. Kazu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 17:31:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA15819 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:31:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15813 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:31:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03921; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:29:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Kazutaka YOKOTA cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATTENTION: enabling the PS/2 mouse driver in GENERIC In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:54:16 +0900." <199803160054.JAA02098@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:29:44 -0800 Message-ID: <3916.890011784@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I would propose to enable the PS/2 mouse driver, psm, in the GENERIC > kernel in 2.2-STABLE. I have no fundamental problems with this but would also ask that you check through the various docs to see where it's specifically recommended that the user enable it. I don't recall if or where there are docs that say this, but memory seems to suggest that there are and I'm worried about confusing people even more. > After enabling the psm driver in the GENERIC kernel, we may hear "My > keyboard locks up (or works erratically)." occasionally, but, we can > tell him to disable the psm driver then. After all, boot.flp > advises the user to configure devices in UserConfig. Have you heard any such reports from the -current crowd? If so, that'd be cause for worry. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 19:08:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA26747 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:08:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.his.com (root@mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA26738 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:08:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randy@his.com) Received: from doom.inferno.apocalypse.com. (randy.his.com [205.252.80.53]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA06376 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:08:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:08:09 -0500 (EST) From: Randy Philipp X-Sender: randy@doom.inferno.apocalypse.com. To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Failure to switch root file system during bootup Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I cvsuped the kernel sources for RELENG_2_2, when I rebooted the machine, the root file system failed to remount (I don't have the exact error message at hand). If I am doing something wrong, please let me know, but I have not encountered error before when updating my kernel to RELENG_2_2. Thank you for your assistance and time. --------- Randy Philipp randy@his.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 19:31:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29107 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:31:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA29090; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:30:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA02498; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:25:59 +1100 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:25:59 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199803160325.OAA02498@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: ast@marabu.ch, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: HEADS UP / disk slicing: a MAKEDEV deficiency for slices>0 ? Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> Maybe it's time to change the line >> >> for slicepartname in s0h s1 s2 s3 s4 >> >> to >> >> for slicepartname in s0h s1h s2h s3h s4h >> >> so that /dev/MAKEDEV makes the [a-h] /dev entries for all slices? > >For whatever it's worth, slice 0 isn't actually terribly useful. 8) There is no slice s0. "s0" is handled specially by MAKEDEV (and eventually replaced by "") to give the compatibility slice (slice number 0), which is very useful. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 22:16:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12873 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:16:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp4.nwnexus.com (smtp4.nwnexus.com [206.63.63.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12866 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:16:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wrsomsky@halcyon.com) Received: from gramarye (evt-lx100-ip40.nwnexus.net [204.57.235.40]) by smtp4.nwnexus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA08787 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:15:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wrsomsky@localhost) by gramarye (8.8.8/8.8.7) id WAA00415 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:12:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wrsomsky) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:12:52 -0800 (PST) From: "William R. Somsky" Message-Id: <199803160612.WAA00415.gramarye.wrsomsky@halcyon.com> To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: stty erase ^H ? Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Since we're getting ready for a release, I'll ask this. Sorry if it's something that was decided and I missed it. But here goes anyway: Wasn't there some discussion at one time about making the default stty mode be erase ^H (backspace), since that is what our default console keymapping makes the key that you would normally hit to do an erase operation, ie, the backspace key actually sends a backspace? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 22:30:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14092 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:30:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA14087 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:30:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yETPl-0003OC-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:30:25 -0800 Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:30:21 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: "William R. Somsky" cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: stty erase ^H ? In-Reply-To: <199803160612.WAA00415.gramarye.wrsomsky@halcyon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, 15 Mar 1998, William R. Somsky wrote: > Since we're getting ready for a release, I'll ask this. Sorry if it's > something that was decided and I missed it. But here goes anyway: > > Wasn't there some discussion at one time about making the default > stty mode be erase ^H (backspace), since that is what our default > console keymapping makes the key that you would normally hit to > do an erase operation, ie, the backspace key actually sends a backspace? It somewhat depends on your terminal. The console sends a ^H when backspace is hit. Some terminals don't even have a backspace, and some user map delete to backspace. But I do believe that ^H is the default for terminals already. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 15 22:31:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14294 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:31:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA14276 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:31:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yETQj-0003Tx-00; Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:31:25 -0800 Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:31:21 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Randy Philipp cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Failure to switch root file system during bootup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, 15 Mar 1998, Randy Philipp wrote: > I cvsuped the kernel sources for RELENG_2_2, when I rebooted the > machine, the root file system failed to remount (I don't have the > exact error message at hand). If I am doing something wrong, please > let me know, but I have not encountered error before when updating > my kernel to RELENG_2_2. Thank you for your assistance and time. You must rebuild all sources to be safe. "mount" was changed. A new kernel will not well with the old "mount". Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 00:11:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA24425 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:11:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA24418 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:11:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA23413 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:40:55 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199803160810.SAA23413@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Is it just me, or doesn't -stable compile? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:40:54 +1030 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, I am trying to compile -stable, but I keep getting - ===> games/arithmetic cc -O -pipe -c /local1/playpen/2.2/src/games/arithmetic/arithmetic.c cc -O -pipe -o arithmetic arithmetic.o arithmetic.o: Undefined symbol `_srandomdev' referenced from text segment *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. Any ideas? --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 00:29:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA26672 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:29:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA26667 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:29:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA05819; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:28:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: "Daniel O'Connor" cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is it just me, or doesn't -stable compile? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:40:54 +1030." <199803160810.SAA23413@cain.gsoft.com.au> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:28:16 -0800 Message-ID: <5815.890036896@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > ===> games/arithmetic > cc -O -pipe -c /local1/playpen/2.2/src/games/arithmetic/arithmetic.c > cc -O -pipe -o arithmetic arithmetic.o > arithmetic.o: Undefined symbol `_srandomdev' referenced from text segment > *** Error code 1 It's just you. :-) You need to make sure you're using the world target since srandomdev() has been added to libc. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 00:29:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA26766 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:29:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA26756 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:29:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA18630 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:29:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <350CE2F1.B74CC544@dal.net> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:29:37 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA-0313 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Documentation plan? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Ok, so last night we had all this great momentum, lots of great ideas kicked around, and today nothing? Do we actually want to make some improvements here? Do we want them in time for 2.2.6? Jordan do you want to lay out a plan and have people volunteer to take bits? I don't think it's too late to get things ready for 2.2.6, but we need to get working on it. Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 00:34:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA27813 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:34:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA27807 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:34:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA05893; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:33:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Studded cc: FreeBSD-Stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Documentation plan? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:29:37 PST." <350CE2F1.B74CC544@dal.net> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:33:26 -0800 Message-ID: <5889.890037206@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Ok, so last night we had all this great momentum, lots of great ideas > kicked around, and today nothing? Do we actually want to make some > improvements here? Do we want them in time for 2.2.6? Jordan do you > want to lay out a plan and have people volunteer to take bits? I don't I simply don't have the time - someone else, as I've already said, will need to play "leader" here and get everyone aligned behind a common plan and then make sure that they all stick to it until it's actually completed. Contrary to popular opinion, management is also Real Work(tm) and I wish whomever decides to lead this effort all the luck in the world! :) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 00:48:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA29196 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:48:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from murkwood.gaffaneys.com (dialup4.gaffaneys.com [208.155.161.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29182 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:48:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zach@gaffaneys.com) Received: (from zach@localhost) by murkwood.gaffaneys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA03222; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 02:49:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from zach) Message-ID: <19980316024910.26200@gaffaneys.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 02:49:10 -0600 From: Zach Heilig To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Should make world depend on old libs in /usr/lib? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk ===> rtld cc -O -m486 -pipe -I/usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/.. -I/usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld -I/usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/../i386 -fpic -fno-function-cse - cc -O -m486 -pipe -I/usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/.. -I/usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld -I/usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/../i386 -fpic -fno-function-cse - /usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/rtld.c:210: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type /usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/rtld.c:210: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type /usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/rtld.c:210: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type /usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/rtld.c:211: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type cc -O -m486 -pipe -I/usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/.. -I/usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld -I/usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/../i386 -fpic -fno-function-cse - cc -O -m486 -pipe -I/usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/.. -I/usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld -I/usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/../i386 -fpic -fno-function-cse - cc -O -m486 -pipe -I/usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/.. -I/usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld -I/usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/../i386 -fpic -fno-function-cse - cc -O -m486 -pipe -I/usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/.. -I/usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld -I/usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/../i386 -fpic -fno-function-cse - cc -O -m486 -pipe -I/usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/.. -I/usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld -I/usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/../i386 -fpic -fno-function-cse - cc -O -m486 -pipe -I/usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/.. -I/usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld -I/usr/2.2/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/../i386 -fpic -fno-function-cse - ld: -lc_pic: no match *** Error code 1 I kept noticing the above, for the last few times I've tried to make world on my -STABLE machine. It finally dawned on me what happened. A couple weeks ago, I decided I didn't need to keep the *_p* libs around in /usr/lib, so I rm'ed them. (I even did an 'echo *_p*' prior to rm'ing, and this still bit me). I know how to fix this breakage, it is not a problem. It just seems odd to depend on possibly very old libraries in /usr/lib. -- Zach Heilig -- zach@gaffaneys.com Real Programs don't use shared text. Otherwise, how can they use functions for scratch space after they are finished calling them? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 01:20:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA02935 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 01:20:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.sinkyo.co.jp (ns.sinkyo.co.jp [210.162.166.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA02922 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 01:20:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nakada@sinkyo.co.jp) Received: from CAD2 (cad2.sinkyo.co.jp. [192.168.180.12]) by ns.sinkyo.co.jp (8.8.8/3.6W-19980206) with SMTP id SAA07070 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:20:46 +0900 (JST) Received: by CAD2 with Microsoft Mail id <01BD5108.9E0E7DE0@CAD2>; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:23:28 +0900 Message-ID: <01BD5108.9E0E7DE0@CAD2> From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQ2dFRBsoSiAbJEJKWRsoSg==?= To: "'freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG'" Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:23:27 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk subscribe freebsd-stable help To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 01:24:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA03212 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 01:24:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wexler.co.il (wexler.co.il [192.115.233.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA03199 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 01:24:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from enoch@wexler.co.il) Received: from localhost (enoch@localhost) by wexler.co.il (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA01502 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:23:56 +0200 (IST) (envelope-from enoch@wexler.co.il) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:23:56 +0200 (IST) From: Enoch Wexler To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 2.2.6-BETA Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, Is there any doc on 2.2.6 new features and differences? Thanks, Enoch Wexler. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 01:50:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA04929 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 01:50:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA04924 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 01:50:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA19008; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 01:50:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <350CF5E6.5DD147F5@dal.net> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 01:50:30 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA-0313 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: FreeBSD-Stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Documentation plan? References: <5889.890037206@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Ok, so last night we had all this great momentum, lots of great ideas > > kicked around, and today nothing? Do we actually want to make some > > improvements here? Do we want them in time for 2.2.6? Jordan do you > > want to lay out a plan and have people volunteer to take bits? I don't > > I simply don't have the time - someone else, as I've already said, > will need to play "leader" here and get everyone aligned behind a > common plan and then make sure that they all stick to it until it's > actually completed. Ah, I was unclear on the somebody else part. :) > Contrary to popular opinion, management is also > Real Work(tm) Oh, no argument there. Well, you asked, so you shall receive. For 2.2.6: 1. I think that there is universal agreement that the first priority needs to be "up to the minute" pages where all important announcements, especially related to the upgrade procedure for -Stable and -Current will be posted. I think two pages is the best plan, one for each branch. I think that if we can get someone to make a framework template (as in a duplicate of template that the other pages are based on) then each person who commits a big change (like the new slice code) can put up a blurb about it and amend as necessary. Then we train people to use this page as a first resource for important news. For example the committer who makes the change can post to the appropriate list something to the effect of, "I just made an important change to the foo code, details can be found on http://www.freebsd.org/stable-news.html." (Name/URL for the page is open to improvement. :) 2. I personally think that the second priority would be to overhaul the documents in the root directory of the ftp site (and by extension the CD). There is too much duplication and no coherent plan. I'd break it up this way: README.TXT - Short, general introduction, table of contents similar to the following, including some of what's in ABOUT.TXT now. Add a more prominent pointer to the www page in general and put a reference to the new "important info" page above close to the top. INSTALL.TXT - Overhaul this a bit, add answer to the -questions FAQ, "what do I download?," move all info on upgrading to, UPGRADE.TXT - Information specific to upgrading. Pull the info from from various of the files already there, and improve/streamline/add to it. (I think someone is already working on this?) HARDWARE.TXT - This is actually in pretty good shape. ABOUT.TXT - Consider losing this, the info that's there should basically be in other places. IMPORTNT.TXT - Capsulized version of whatever is on the "news" page when 2.2.6 goes golden, plus tidbits like /etc/sysconfig -> /etc/rc.conf, etc. RELNOTES.TXT - Ideally, someone knowledgeable should diff 2.2.5 and 2.2.6 and make a list. (Yes, I'm serious.) Barring that, we need as much good, detailed information about the changes as possible, preferably with the big shiny things up front, then broken down into "Different from 2.2.5, Different from 2.2.2, Different from 2.1," etc. 3. The next priority as I see it is 3 or 4 people to read every word of the FAQ and Handbook and point out areas that are out of date. (Are these the only docs that go on the CD?) This would be a great "entry level" point for someone who wants to help but doesn't have much technical writing experience. Post 2.2.6: 4. For the long term, I think we need a team to seriously consider the task of consolidating the current FAQ/Handbook/Tutorial situation into a more coherent whole. We have a lot of good information available, but through duplication of effort subtle problems and areas of confusion have set in which make it difficult for the average user, especially one new to Unix to deal with. I proposed a single entry point model with a "How do I?" type interface which accesses the newly organized and streamlined docs. :) This would be accompanied by pages similar to what we have now giving direct access to the new Handbook of course. This should be discussed further and a *concrete* plan laid out before any changes are made. As I said, I'd be happy to help with this project, and I can spend some time with the docs themselves as well. If no one better suited steps forward I would be willing to coordinate things provided there are actual volunteers to coordinate. :) That being said, I certainly think that what I've proposed bears discussion before we move forward. I think I've identified the urgent needs pretty well, but comments and suggestions from other perspectives are of course welcome and needed. Hope this helps, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 02:23:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA08670 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 02:23:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomad.mt.sri.com (ppp58-max01.twics.com [202.237.149.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA08661 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 02:23:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.mt.sri.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA01019; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 03:21:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 03:21:53 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803161021.DAA01019@nomad.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: brian@awfulhawk.org CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: On-demand dynamic PPP not doing default route correctly X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "Nate Williams" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk It's been a *really* long time since I've used PPP, but since I'm in Japan and my ISP (TWICS) uses dymanic IP stuff, it's a bit easier to test this. My config file is as follows: twics-tokyo: set phone 123456789 set login set authname authname set authkey authkey set timeout 120 set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0 delete ALL add 0 0 HISADDR The problem is that if I run this with 'ppp -auto twics-tokyo', the first thing it does is setup a default route to 10.0.0.2 (totally bogus). However, the tun0 device is setup correctly with the remote site. So, as root, I blow away the default route, and add a new one with the correct 'remote' site. Then, after a few minutes, the link 'dies'. No packets come in or go out. This may or may not be a FreeBSD/PPP problem, but if I use Win95 PPP it *NEVER* locks up. I have TCP extensions turned off if that makes any difference. (It also seems to be related to the use of fetchmail if that gives anyone any ideas.) The third problem is that if the line 'times out', when it comes back up I often-times have a different IP address and default route. PPP is not corretly re-setting the default route when it re-dials. Also, shouldn't I be able to run a 'one-time' connection to twics tokyo by typing 'ppp twics-tokyo'? If I try it, I get: Working in interactive mode Using interface: tun0 Warning: Add route failed: 0.0.0.0: errno: Network is unreachable I just want to connect to the ISP *once*, and then exit the program. Finally, what is the preferred method to shutdown the link when I'm done? I usually get my email, then go offline and update it, then re-start PPP to have it flush out the mail queue before I head off to bed. If it keeps driving me crazy I may go see if I can fix it myself, but Brian seems to be having the time of his life changing it every day, so he's obviously more familiar with the code than anyone else. :) Thanks! Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 02:50:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA11325 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 02:50:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from northwest.com (root@port47.northwest.com [204.119.42.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA11290 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 02:50:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stevemw@northwest.com) Received: from fuji (stevemw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by northwest.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA27644; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 02:48:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stevemw@fuji) Message-Id: <199803161048.CAA27644@northwest.com> To: "Nate Williams" cc: brian@awfulhawk.org, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On-demand dynamic PPP not doing default route correctly In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Mar 1998 03:21:53 MST." <199803161021.DAA01019@nomad.mt.sri.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 02:48:58 -0800 From: Stephen Wynne Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message <199803161021.DAA01019@nomad.mt.sri.com>, Nate Williams writes: So, as root, I blow away the default route, and add a new one with the correct 'remote' site. Then, after a few minutes, the link 'dies'. No packets come in or go out. Nate, With a one year-old config, I had the same problem after cvsup'ing. I solved the problem by trial and error, and reading the sample files out of the new /usr/src/etc/ppp directory populated by cvsup. I found that you need to do what you're doing by hand in /etc/ppp/ppp.linkup with a twist. The new version of ppp *really* likes to have ppp.linkup now! My normal configuration now looks like this (in the critical areas) myisp: ... set ifaddr 299.1.42.0/0 299.1.42.250/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0 delete ALL add default HISADDR And ppp.linkup looks like this: MYADDR: delete 0 add 0 0 HISADDR myisp: delete ALL add 0 0 HISADDR Note that I doubt the MYADDR: is required, but since I don't have time to test it after removing that section, I'm including it for completeness. Good luck! Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 04:02:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA20670 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 04:02:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from megaweapon.zigg.com (tcgr1-50.dialup.alliance.net [207.74.43.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA20598 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 04:01:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@zigg.com) Received: from varda.zigg.com (varda.zigg.com [192.168.0.2]) by megaweapon.zigg.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA29965 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:02:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from matt@megaweapon.zigg.com) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:01:44 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Behrens To: Studded Subject: Re: Documentation plan? In-Reply-To: <350CF5E6.5DD147F5@dal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Studded wrote: > 1. I think that there is universal agreement that the first priority > needs to be "up to the minute" pages where all important announcements, > especially related to the upgrade procedure for -Stable and -Current > will be posted. I think two pages is the best plan, one for each branch. > I think that if we can get someone to make a framework template (as in a > duplicate of template that the other pages are based on) then each > person who commits a big change (like the new slice code) can put up a > blurb about it and amend as necessary. Then we train people to use this > page as a first resource for important news. For example the committer > who makes the change can post to the appropriate list something to the > effect of, "I just made an important change to the foo code, details can > be > found on http://www.freebsd.org/stable-news.html." (Name/URL for the > page is open to improvement. :) This is definitely something I'd shoot for, if for nothing else to make it a resource that you can say, "hey! this is what I need to do to cvsup 2.0.5 to 4.2.6" by reading through the file as it collects. :) Maybe even segregate it into version bits. I'd be happy to maintain such an animal by watching -stable, at least... of course zigg.com has wimpy bandwidth, so I can't put it up here. :) Matt Behrens | James McDougal dies in prison on March http://www.zigg.com/ | 9, 1998. The government says "cardiac Chanop Script Coordinator | arrest". Why doesn't anyone remember World-Wide FreeNet IRC Network | Vince Foster? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 04:04:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA21104 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 04:04:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA21051 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 04:04:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA07065; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 04:03:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Studded cc: FreeBSD-Stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Documentation plan? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Mar 1998 01:50:30 PST." <350CF5E6.5DD147F5@dal.net> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 04:03:24 -0800 Message-ID: <7061.890049804@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Oh, no argument there. Well, you asked, so you shall receive. Excellent - a maso^H^H^H^Hmanager steps forward! > 1. I think that there is universal agreement that the first priority > needs to be "up to the minute" pages where all important announcements, > especially related to the upgrade procedure for -Stable and -Current > will be posted. I think two pages is the best plan, one for each branch. Yep. These need to be both created and maintained on an ongoing basis. We've made a few false-starts at the former and never even come close to the latter. :-( It takes dedication on the order of a Doug White (-questions) or a Steve Price (GNATS) to do this adequately, just to elevate those two to Icon status. ;-) > 2. I personally think that the second priority would be to overhaul the > documents in the root directory of the ftp site (and by extension the > CD). There is too much duplication and no coherent plan. I'd break it up Absolutely. That basically describes most of our docs, not just the FOO.TXT files. What we have is the result of haphazard evolution over the last 4 years rather than any coherent design, and just like any reasonably large body of code, you *must* plan on essentially throwing out the first effort and starting over. This hasn't happened yet. :) > README.TXT - Short, general introduction, table of contents similar to > the following, including some of what's in ABOUT.TXT now. Add a more > prominent pointer to the www page in general and put a reference to the > new "important info" page above close to the top. > [other FOO.TXT suggestions elided] I'm all for that, I just need something to start with. I've been looking at the FOO.TXT files for too long to be properly objective any longer. > 3. The next priority as I see it is 3 or 4 people to read every word of > the FAQ and Handbook and point out areas that are out of date. (Are Or just start over, using the bones of the previous effort as a starting point. There's some good meat there and a lot of fat. > As I said, I'd be happy to help with this project, and I can spend some > time with the docs themselves as well. If no one better suited steps > forward I would be willing to coordinate things provided there are > actual volunteers to coordinate. :) That being said, I certainly think If past experience is any thing to go by, if you're capable of yelling "CHARGE!" with enough reasonable authority, the volunteers will appear. ;) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 05:03:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03615 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:03:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomad.mt.sri.com (ppp10-max01.twics.com [202.237.149.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA03606 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:03:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.mt.sri.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA01357; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:02:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:02:51 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803161302.GAA01357@nomad.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Stephen Wynne Cc: "Nate Williams" , brian@awfulhak.org, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On-demand dynamic PPP not doing default route correctly In-Reply-To: <199803161048.CAA27644@northwest.com> References: <199803161021.DAA01019@nomad.mt.sri.com> <199803161048.CAA27644@northwest.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "Nate Williams" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Stephen Wynne writes: > In message <199803161021.DAA01019@nomad.mt.sri.com>, Nate Williams writes: > > So, as root, I blow away the default route, and add a new one with the > correct 'remote' site. Then, after a few minutes, the link 'dies'. No > packets come in or go out. > > Nate, > > With a one year-old config, I had the same problem after cvsup'ing. I > solved the problem by trial and error, and reading the sample files > out of the new /usr/src/etc/ppp directory populated by cvsup. > > I found that you need to do what you're doing by hand in > /etc/ppp/ppp.linkup with a twist. The new version of ppp > *really* likes to have ppp.linkup now! Apparently so. > My normal configuration now looks like this (in the critical areas) .... [ Contents removed ] > Good luck! Hmm, that seemed to do the 'routing' trick for sure. *MUCH* better than having to futz with the routing. However, I don't know what's happening with the link getting all balled up, since I'm not sure whose fault it is. Thanks alot for the routing information. It's certainly made life easier for me! Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 05:31:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09182 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:31:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA09093 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:31:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21383; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:30:58 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08600; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:30:53 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Message-Id: <199803161330.PAA08600@greenpeace.grondar.za> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Studded , FreeBSD-Stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Documentation plan? Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:30:53 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > 3. The next priority as I see it is 3 or 4 people to read every word of > > the FAQ and Handbook and point out areas that are out of date. (Are > > Or just start over, using the bones of the previous effort as a starting > point. There's some good meat there and a lot of fat. There is a serious case of bitrot in the kerberos and other security stuff. I'll redo those over the next couple of weeks. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 05:35:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA10999 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:35:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA10974 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:35:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA14802 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:33:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803161333.FAA14802@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:33:25 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk This message is a call for submissions regarding the future of the changes committed to the RELENG_2_2 branch ("-stable") last week relating to the use of the canonical device when mounting the root filesystem. Whilst these changes improve overall consistency and remove a number of logical problems, they present a number of difficulties for users wishing to mix older configurations with the new scheme. To date, in the -stable forum, there has been very little support for these changes. This may simply be that those understanding and accepting them have not felt the need to complain. However, the complaints have been loud and persistent, and there are a number of unresolved issues inconsistent with the upcoming 2.2.6 release. At this point in time, where very few sites will have deployed the new code, it is practical to withdraw the changes from RELENG_2_2. Those sites that have addressed the issue already will not have any major problems in backing out, as they will be returning to a familiar configuration. In order to guage reaction to this, I am asking for persons with a vested interest or opinion to respond (either privately or to the list). Responses will be evaluated until approximiately midday Wednesday PST, at which point the indicated action will be summarily announced and adopted. When replying, please be brief. Backout or Keep, and why. No war stories, don't quote this entire message, don't quote someone else' reply and say "me too". Please bear in mind that this is a call for opinion rather than discussion. You can be even more succinct; there are a small set of common reasons: - Backout; the configuration change will be too expensive for us. - Backout; our configuration is pathological and the new code does not work. - Backout; slices are an abomonation and we never use them. - Keep; we have already deployed and changing back would be expensive. - Keep; the new approach allows us extra flexibility and consistency. - Keep; the compatibility slice is an abomination and we never use it. Note that the changes will remain in -current, as they are consistent with the developmental direction towards 3.0. Regards -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 05:46:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA13301 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:46:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA13277 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:46:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA28992; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:45:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:45:35 -0500 (EST) From: jack To: "Daniel O'Connor" cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is it just me, or doesn't -stable compile? In-Reply-To: <199803160810.SAA23413@cain.gsoft.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > Hi, > I am trying to compile -stable, but I keep getting - [snip] > Stop. > > Any ideas? Sources cvsup'ed yesterday build just fine here. However, Sunday's changes to Makefiles in ports blow up make release. ===> Creating README.html for momspider-1.00 ===> www/netscape3 "Makefile", line 31: Malformed conditional (!defined(USE_128BIT) && ${USA_RESIDENT} == NO) "Makefile", line 34: if-less endif "Makefile", line 34: Need an operator make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue *** Error code 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 05:57:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17594 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:57:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA17583 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:57:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA19569; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:56:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: jack cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is it just me, or doesn't -stable compile? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:45:35 EST." Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:56:17 -0800 Message-ID: <19566.890056577@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Sources cvsup'ed yesterday build just fine here. However, > Sunday's changes to Makefiles in ports blow up make release. Already reported to the folks responsible, thanks. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 05:59:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18319 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:59:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from netcom1.netcom.com (mvh@netcom15.netcom.com [192.100.81.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18228; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:59:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvh@netcom.com) Received: (from mvh@localhost) by netcom1.netcom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA00815; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:59:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvh) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:59:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803161359.FAA00815@netcom1.netcom.com> From: "Michael V. Harding" To: ast@marabu.ch CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199803152315.AAA25361@marabu.marabu.ch> (message from Adrian Steinmann on Mon, 16 Mar 98 00:15:25 +0100) Subject: Re: HEADS UP / disk slicing: a MAKEDEV deficiency for slices>0 ? References: <199803152315.AAA25361@marabu.marabu.ch> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I'll concur on this one - with dual boot machines, FreeBSD is often on the second disk or second partitionm - this is why we saw boot fail. Not too hard to fixe once you know what you are doing, but it was awkward because I couldn't even check the FAQ until I got the system running again. I don't know if this is because I have two disks, also, but when I did an upgrade in place to 2.2.6 it ate the entire disk. I'm afraid to use anything but CVSUP now. Luckily I did have the important stuff backed up... Content-Type: text/plain X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 2.0b6) From: Adrian Steinmann Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 00:15:25 +0100 cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organization: Steinmann Consulting, Apollostrasse 21, 8032 Zurich X-Phone-Numbers: Switzerland, Tel +41 1 380 30 83 Fax +41 1 380 30 85 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-UIDL: 4f9b60e355e64f6e873812ec122fccae I have been watching the escalation of this HEADS UP and must admit that I've become more confused than I was before. So I will add some more confusion myself ;-) It seems that, for now, 'make world' in -stable sets -DROOTSLICE_HUNT to maintain downward compatibility in the mount source files. Good. It also appears, though, that /dev/MAKEDEV only makes the [a-h] partitions for s0, so this might be why some people are having problems booting with their "new /etc/fstab" (in fact, I believe this would happen when their root partition is not on slice 0). I've tracked this feature of MAKEDEV back to revision 1.76: $ co -r1.76 -p MAKEDEV,v |grep s0h MAKEDEV,v --> standard output revision 1.76 for slicepartname in s0h s1 s2 s3 s4 $ co -r1.75 -p MAKEDEV,v |grep s0h MAKEDEV,v --> standard output revision 1.75 Where we read this comment: revision 1.76 date: 1995/03/04 12:22:14; author: bde; state: Exp; lines: +56 -70 For sd, vn and wd: Support sliced devices better. E.g.: `sh MAKEDEV sd0' creates [r]sd0 and [r]sd0s[1-4] as well as [r]sd0[a-h] (the extra devices created by default won't hurt apart from wasting inodes). `sh MAKEDEV sd0s1[a-h]' creates [r]sd0s1[a-h] (any partition creates all). `sh MAKEDEV sd0s5' creates [r]sd0s5. Support unit numbers 0-31 (was 0-6). Note, in particular, that '(cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV all)' will not make the [a-h] partitions on any slices > 0. Maybe it's time to change the line for slicepartname in s0h s1 s2 s3 s4 to for slicepartname in s0h s1h s2h s3h s4h so that /dev/MAKEDEV makes the [a-h] /dev entries for all slices? Adrian _________________________________________________________________________ Dr. Adrian Steinmann Steinmann Consulting Apollostrasse 21 8032 Zurich Tel +41 1 380 30 83 Fax +41 1 380 30 85 Mailto:ast@marabu.ch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 06:09:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20636 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:09:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [194.93.177.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA19929 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:05:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ru@relay.ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14742 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:04:47 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) From: Ruslan Ermilov Message-Id: <199803161404.QAA14742@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change In-Reply-To: <199803161333.FAA14802@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at "Mar 16, 98 05:33:25 am" To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:04:47 +0200 (EET) X-My-Interests: Unix,Oracle,Networking X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Keep; this will make RELENG_2_2 and CURRENT more sync'ed. -- Ruslan Ermilov System Administrator ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank +380-652-247647 Simferopol, Crimea 2426679 ICQ Network, UIN To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 06:33:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA23151 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:33:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA23146 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:32:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from [208.2.87.4] (user4.dataplex.net [208.2.87.4]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05124; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:32:34 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199803161333.FAA14802@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:32:19 -0600 To: Mike Smith From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > - Backout; our configuration is pathological and the new code does not work. I should not be "frozen out" of the 2.2 branch on my production machines with no upgrade path short of reformatting the HD's. 2.2 is not yet dead, and should not die until 3.0 (or 2.3, should it happen instead) has proven itself "production-stable". If 1) there is a solution that does not require a total rebuild of the disk and 2) it gets adequately documented (and perhaps supported by a configuration analysis script), then I don't object to having to alter fstab in order to track the changes. Richard Wackerbarth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 06:45:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA25119 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:45:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from csla.csl.sri.com (csla.csl.sri.com [192.12.33.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25100; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:45:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gilham@csl.sri.com) Received: from snapdragon.csl.sri.com (snapdragon.csl.sri.com [130.107.18.20]) by csla.csl.sri.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA27439; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:40:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from snapdragon.csl.sri.com (localhost.csl.sri.com [127.0.0.1]) by snapdragon.csl.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA09917; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:44:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803161444.GAA09917@snapdragon.csl.sri.com> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Upgrade 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2-STABLE. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:37:41 PST." <199803140337.TAA03072@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:44:22 -0800 From: Fred Gilham Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Mike Smith wrote: > > If you update /sbin/mount at the same time, it's a no-op. > Actually this is not QUITE true. I have a PII system that I had to install with a normal DOS partition setup to get to boot FreeBSD (I guess this is a known problem). Anyway I've been running -current systems on it and it sometimes dies under heavy loads while doing NFS. Last week this happened when I was using the system from home and the system did not come up again. When I got to work I found that the system had done the fscks on its file systems but couldn't re-mount /dev/rsd0a read-write! Putting /dev/sd0s1a in the fstab fixed this. The system now recovers gracefully from NFS-induced crashes. :-) -Fred Gilham gilham@csl.sri.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 07:27:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA00669 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:27:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mozart.canonware.com (canonware.com [206.184.206.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00659 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:27:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jasone@canonware.com) Received: from localhost (jasone@localhost) by mozart.canonware.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA07561; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:26:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jasone@canonware.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mozart.canonware.com: jasone owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:26:49 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Evans To: Stephen Wynne cc: Nate Williams , brian@awfulhawk.org.canonware.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On-demand dynamic PPP not doing default route correctly In-Reply-To: <199803161048.CAA27644@northwest.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Stephen Wynne wrote: > I found that you need to do what you're doing by hand in > /etc/ppp/ppp.linkup with a twist. The new version of ppp > *really* likes to have ppp.linkup now! Yes, I discovered the same problems last night. Is it a bug or a feature? As near as I can tell, ppp is trying to establish the default route before establishing the connection. Creating ppp.linkup was the only way I could get ppp to create the default route on its own. Jason Jason Evans Email: [jasone@canonware.com] Home phone: [(650) 856-8204] Work phone: [(408) 774-8007] Quote: ["Invention is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration" - Thomas Edison] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 07:31:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01428 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:31:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mb101.infoweb.or.jp (mb101.infoweb.or.jp [202.248.2.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01409 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:31:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from bubble.didi.com by mb101.infoweb.or.jp (8.8.7+2.7Wbeta7/3.6Wbeta6-09/12/97) id AAA14819; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:31:41 +0900 Received: (from asami@localhost) by bubble.didi.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA01933; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:23:16 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from asami) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:23:16 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199803161523.AAA01933@bubble.didi.com> To: mike@smith.net.au CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199803161333.FAA14802@dingo.cdrom.com> (message from Mike Smith on Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:33:25 -0800) Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Backout; it's too close to 2.2.6R and I'm afraid there are many people with pathological configurations that haven't been reported yet. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 07:32:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01600 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:32:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01553; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:32:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20515; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:31:59 GMT Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA02023; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:31:26 GMT Message-ID: <19980316153125.64380@iii.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:31:25 +0000 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Studded , FreeBSD-Stable@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Documentation plan? Reply-To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <350CF5E6.5DD147F5@dal.net> <7061.890049804@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <7061.890049804@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 04:03:24AM -0800 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 04:03:24AM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > 3. The next priority as I see it is 3 or 4 people to read every word of > > the FAQ and Handbook and point out areas that are out of date. (Are > > Or just start over, using the bones of the previous effort as a starting > point. There's some good meat there and a lot of fat. Yow. Halt. Slow down. There's about to be a considerable amount of time and effort invested in migrating the Handbook from the LinuxDoc DTD to the DocBook DTD, and a large chunk of work has already gone into making sure that this can be done without affecting the current content. This job would be made much easier if we could start over again, but I think the decision to keep what we've got has already been made over on the -doc list. That's not to say that it won't be trimmed down, re-organised and so on over the coming months. . . Could you guys take this on to the -doc list where it belongs (and where I've cc'd this message, and set reply-to's accordingly). Cheers, N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 07:37:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA02972 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:37:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from paert.tse-online.de (paert.tse-online.de [194.97.69.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA02542 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:35:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ab@paert.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 11544 invoked by uid 1000); 16 Mar 1998 15:35:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19980316163512.22587@paert.tse-online.de> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:35:12 +0100 From: Andreas Braukmann To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change References: <199803161333.FAA14802@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: <199803161333.FAA14802@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 05:33:25AM -0800 Organization: TSE TeleService GmbH Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 05:33:25AM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > - Keep; we have already deployed and changing back would be expensive. today. various machines. > - Keep; the new approach allows us extra flexibility and consistency. further on I second this ..., > - Keep; the compatibility slice is an abomination and we never use it. ... and this, too. ~~~~ snip ~~~~~ snip ~~~~~ now my personal comment: As mentioned above our -stable machines were upgraded over the last weekend. The transition was much more smooth than expected (regarding the all the hassles reported on the mailing list). OK. This time I 'really' made sure that 'installworld' had run without any suspicious errors or warnings and that the fresh kernel was _really_ in the right place. Andreas -- /// TSE TeleService GmbH | Gsf: Arne Reuter | /// Hovestrasse 14 | Andreas Braukmann | We do it with /// D-48351 Everswinkel | HRB: 1430, AG WAF | FreeBSD/SMP /// ------------------------------------------------------------------- /// PGP-Key: http://www.tse-online.de/~ab/public-key /// Key fingerprint: 12 13 EF BC 22 DD F4 B6 3C 25 C9 06 DC D3 45 9B To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 07:40:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA04173 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:40:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA04086 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:40:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from trojanhorse.pr.watson.org (trojanhorse.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.10]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id KAA27448; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:40:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:39:28 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: Mike Smith cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change In-Reply-To: <199803161333.FAA14802@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Mike, While I had problems on our machines with the change, this was more related to some problems with the announcement, and a problem with an old MAKEDEV script. I do not think the changes are evil; I would recommend keeping them as long as we can make the upgrade as simple and smooth as possible. I would recommend sticking together an extremely simple and straightforward announcement describing the process for -stable users, and posting it to freebsd-announce. Clearly, not all -stable users are subscribed to freebsd-stable. This might reach them; it would also be a good place to point out that a subscription to freebsd-stable would be quite helpful for them. For the 2.2.6 upgrade -- as long as this is properly handled by sysinstall, and it notifies the user of what is happening, that should be fine. I vote for keeping the changes. Robert N Watson Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 07:53:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06451 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:53:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06420 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:53:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21247; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:52:59 GMT Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA02067; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:52:25 GMT Message-ID: <19980316155225.33878@iii.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:52:25 +0000 To: Robert Watson Cc: Mike Smith , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change References: <199803161333.FAA14802@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: ; from Robert Watson on Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 10:39:28AM -0500 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 10:39:28AM -0500, Robert Watson wrote: > I would recommend sticking together an extremely simple and > straightforward announcement describing the process for -stable users, and > posting it to freebsd-announce. How about: # make installworld Have you read (and printed) the document at http://www.freebsd.org/slice_changes.txt which explains how the disk slice naming has changed, and the impact this will have when you rebuild your system? If you have, you can now install the new system by typing make I_understand_the_slice_changes That ought to do it. N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 08:06:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09375 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:06:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (passer.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.110.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09365 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:06:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cschuber@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.8/8.6.10) id IAA19705; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:03:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803161603.IAA19705@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> Received: from localhost(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "passer.osg.gov.bc.ca" via SMTP by localhost, id smtpdaatipa; Mon Mar 16 08:02:57 1998 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 Reply-to: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-Sender: cschuber To: Mike Smith cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , gkshenaut@ucdavis.edu, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More problems with new slice code In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:19:33 PST." <199803152219.OAA12091@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:02:16 -0800 From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > > Actually, I've always wondered by MAKEDEV sits in /dev--of course, > > > > there is now a considerable tradition for it, but doesn't it make > > > > more sense to split it into a standard utility, "makedev", which > > > > lives in /sbin, plus a standard-but-modifiable database which lives > > > > in /etc called "devtab" and "devtab.local" or whatever? > > > > > > Makedev will (god willing) not be a standard part of the system in 3.0; > > > device nodes will appear and disappear by magic. > > > > > > (I am, incidentally, not kidding.) > > > > Kind of like boot -r under Solaris... Right? Or will these device > > nodes appear when a new kernel is built, like DEC UNIX? > > The nodes are completely dynamic; when a device is found (eg. at boot > time, or when a PCCARD is inserted, or when a PCI LKM is loaded, or > whenever) they appear, and when a device goes away (card removed, etc.) > they disappear. > > > If this is done automatically without a SysAdmin being aware, e.g. > > asking via an option, like Solaris, or installing a new kernel, like > > DEC UNIX, won't this cause some confusion? > > I expect there to be a moderately loud acclimatisation period, yes. 8) > However the tradeoff is that you will never have to explain to anyone > what MAKEDEV is all about, or why there are devices listed in /dev/ > that don't exist on the system. Forgive my ignorance, but is this implemented using a new devfs filesystem? Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 UNIX Support OV/VM: BCSC02(CSCHUBER) ITSD BITNET: CSCHUBER@BCSC02.BITNET Government of BC Internet: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca Cy.Schubert@gems8.gov.bc.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 08:19:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12222 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:19:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (passer.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.110.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA12150 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:19:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cschuber@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.8/8.6.10) id IAA19800; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:16:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803161616.IAA19800@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> Received: from localhost(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "passer.osg.gov.bc.ca" via SMTP by localhost, id smtpdaatjca; Mon Mar 16 08:16:35 1998 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 Reply-to: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-Sender: cschuber To: Mike Smith cc: Robert Watson , Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , gkshenaut@ucdavis.edu, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DEVFS (was Re: More problems with new slice code ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:42:40 PST." <199803152242.OAA12236@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:15:34 -0800 From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > > > > The nodes are completely dynamic; when a device is found (eg. at boot > > > time, or when a PCCARD is inserted, or when a PCI LKM is loaded, or > > > whenever) they appear, and when a device goes away (card removed, etc.) > > > they disappear. > > > > Mike, > > > > Will it still be possible to create/use device nodes with mknod, etc, > > elsewhere in the file system? > > No. The whole 'major/minor' number concept will ultimately be phased > out, and device identifiers will be dynamically assigned. This > basically makes static device nodes unuseful. > > Having said that, it will indeed be possible to have device nodes > appear in more than one place, and have different permissions etc. in > those separate places, which is I think what you are getting at > (chrooted environments, etc.) What about device drivers. Will the device driver interface change? Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 UNIX Support OV/VM: BCSC02(CSCHUBER) ITSD BITNET: CSCHUBER@BCSC02.BITNET Government of BC Internet: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca Cy.Schubert@gems8.gov.bc.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 08:21:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12861 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:21:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA12805 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:21:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA20197; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:53:46 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199803161453.PAA20197@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: proposed minimum change to rc.conf To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:53:46 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk One way (perhaps not the only one) to tell a diskless machine is that hostname is set by the BOOTP stuff before /etc/rc starts. As it is now, I can put most machine-dependent stuff in /etc/rc.local, but /etc/rc.conf now overrides the hostname and makes it harder to preserve the identity of the system. I think the following patch can solve the problem with no harmful side effects. Opinions ? And in case, could this go into -current or -stable ? cheers luigi info# diff -ubwr rc.conf rc.conf.diskless --- rc.conf.orig Thu Mar 12 13:34:45 1998 +++ rc.conf Mon Mar 16 12:28:10 1998 @@ -25,7 +25,10 @@ ############################################################## ### Basic network options: ### +if [ "`hostname`" = "" ] +then hostname="myname.mydomain" # Set this! +fi nisdomainname="NO" # Set to NIS domain if using NIS (or NO). firewall_enable="NO" # Set to YES to enable firewall functionality firewall_type="UNKNOWN" # Firewall type (see /etc/rc.firewall) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 09:13:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04481 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:13:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from p-biset.issy.cnet.fr (p-biset.issy.cnet.fr [139.100.0.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02345 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:08:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mircea@tarazed.bagneux.cnet.fr) Received: from p-bagmsg.bagneux.cnet.fr by p-biset.issy.cnet.fr with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1458.49) id HB48RNGT; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:08:29 +0100 Received: from tarazed.bagneux.cnet.fr by p-bagmsg.bagneux.cnet.fr with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1458.49) id 1VF14R75; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:08:01 +0100 Received: by tarazed.bagneux.cnet.fr (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/940406.SGI.AUTO) id SAA10128; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:05:49 +0100 Message-ID: <19980316180546.41659@isis.mistral.org> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:05:46 +0100 From: Andrei Mircea To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: andrei.mircea@cnet.francetelecom.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i X-Operating-System: IRIX tarazed 5.3 02091401 IP22 mips Organization: Eusicumine, Aici, FRANCE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk unsubscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 09:30:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA12141 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:30:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gershwin.tera.com (gershwin.tera.com [207.224.230.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12107 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:30:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tera.tera.com) Received: from athena.tera.com (athena.tera.com [207.224.230.127]) by gershwin.tera.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04275; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:28:45 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Kline Received: (from kline@localhost) by athena.tera.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA20271; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:29:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803161729.JAA20271@athena.tera.com> Subject: Re: stty erase ^H ? In-Reply-To: <199803160612.WAA00415.gramarye.wrsomsky@halcyon.com> from "William R. Somsky" at "Mar 15, 98 10:12:52 pm" To: wrsomsky@halcyon.com (William R. Somsky) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:29:48 -0800 (PST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL23 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk According to William R. Somsky: > Since we're getting ready for a release, I'll ask this. Sorry if it's > something that was decided and I missed it. But here goes anyway: > > Wasn't there some discussion at one time about making the default > stty mode be erase ^H (backspace), since that is what our default > console keymapping makes the key that you would normally hit to > do an erase operation, ie, the backspace key actually sends a backspace? > > I'm in favor of making ^H be the default because it is what I've used since the beginning. As far as I know a backspace defaults to a ^H, and if stty is _not_ this, then the stty has to be done in the .*rc/.profile. gary kline To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 09:44:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA16490 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:44:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hoth.amu.edu.pl (nexus@hoth.amu.edu.pl [150.254.113.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16404 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:44:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nexus@hoth.amu.edu.pl) Received: from localhost (nexus@localhost) by hoth.amu.edu.pl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA23375 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:42:59 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from nexus@hoth.amu.edu.pl) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:42:59 +0100 (MET) From: Bohdan Horst To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change In-Reply-To: <199803161333.FAA14802@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > - Keep; we have already deployed and changing back would be expensive. > - Keep; the new approach allows us extra flexibility and consistency. > - Keep; the compatibility slice is an abomination and we never use it. vote for keep -- / irl:Bohdan 'Nexus' Horst | mailto:nexus@irc.pl | irc:Nexus \ {---------------------------^----------v----------^------------} \ http://www.physd.amu.edu.pl/~nexus/ | Instytut Fizyki UAM / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 10:17:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29799 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:17:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA29634 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:16:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id RAA20410; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:48:56 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199803161648.RAA20410@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: proposed minimum change to rc.conf To: jonny@coppe.ufrj.br (Joao Carlos Mendes Luis) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:48:55 +0100 (MET) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199803161808.PAA06324@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> from "Joao Carlos Mendes Luis" at Mar 16, 98 03:08:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > IMHO rc.conf should have no commands, only settings. > > I'd prefer if these changes were in other file. To avoid problems, > you could create a new variable in rc.conf: > > diskless=YES i have this in /etc/rc but the problem remains: I want rc.conf to do all the generic stuff, and then use the rc.conf.local to override things. cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 10:53:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15481 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:53:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA15439 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:53:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yEf0Y-0002bF-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:53:10 -0800 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:53:09 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Zach Heilig cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Should make world depend on old libs in /usr/lib? In-Reply-To: <19980316024910.26200@gaffaneys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Zach Heilig wrote: > I kept noticing the above, for the last few times I've tried to make world on > my -STABLE machine. It finally dawned on me what happened. A couple weeks > ago, I decided I didn't need to keep the *_p* libs around in /usr/lib, so I > rm'ed them. (I even did an 'echo *_p*' prior to rm'ing, and this still bit > me). > > I know how to fix this breakage, it is not a problem. It just seems odd to > depend on possibly very old libraries in /usr/lib. What do you mean by *_p*? Are you referring to the profiled libraries? If so, you want *_p.a Your pattern will delete at least one important file: libc_pic.a Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 11:01:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17595 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:01:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.2.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17572 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:01:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chad@freebie.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.7/8.8.3a) id LAA20217; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:59:10 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199803161859.LAA20217@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: stty erase ^H ? To: kline@tera.tera.com (Gary Kline) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:59:09 -0700 (MST) Cc: wrsomsky@halcyon.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199803161729.JAA20271@athena.tera.com> from Gary Kline at "Mar 16, 98 09:29:48 am" Reply-to: chad@dcfinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I'm in favor of making ^H be the default because it is what > I've used since the beginning. As far as I know a > backspace defaults to a ^H, and if stty is _not_ this, > then the stty has to be done in the .*rc/.profile. But guys, "backspace" =is= a cntl-h. Any key labled "Backspace" had better emit one of those. I know some VT220 emulators allow the backspace key to be configured for either cntl-h or delete, but that seems to me an abomination. Now, if you want to change around the mapping of backspace to INTR, or of DEL to erase, knock yourself out. That's the magic of UNIX. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-953-1392 chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 11:06:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19243 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:06:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gershwin.tera.com (gershwin.tera.com [207.224.230.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19221 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:06:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tera.tera.com) Received: from athena.tera.com (athena.tera.com [207.224.230.127]) by gershwin.tera.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06488; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:04:22 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Kline Received: (from kline@localhost) by athena.tera.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA20934; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:05:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803161905.LAA20934@athena.tera.com> Subject: Re: stty erase ^H ? In-Reply-To: <199803161859.LAA20217@freebie.dcfinc.com> from "Chad R. Larson" at "Mar 16, 98 11:59:09 am" To: chad@dcfinc.com Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:05:24 -0800 (PST) Cc: kline@tera.tera.com, wrsomsky@halcyon.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL23 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk According to Chad R. Larson: > > I'm in favor of making ^H be the default because it is what > > I've used since the beginning. As far as I know a > > backspace defaults to a ^H, and if stty is _not_ this, > > then the stty has to be done in the .*rc/.profile. > > But guys, "backspace" =is= a cntl-h. Any key labled "Backspace" had > better emit one of those. I know some VT220 emulators allow the > backspace key to be configured for either cntl-h or delete, but that > seems to me an abomination. > > Now, if you want to change around the mapping of backspace to INTR, or > of DEL to erase, knock yourself out. That's the magic of UNIX. > I'll burn up some bandwidth to say ``Right on... '' --But why remap? Seriously. gary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 11:23:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25280 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:23:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25112 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:23:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01553; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:22:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199803161922.LAA01553@austin.polstra.com> To: mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change In-Reply-To: <199803161333.FAA14802@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <199803161333.FAA14802@dingo.cdrom.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:22:41 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Back out. The changes are too radical and too likely to cause problems to be introduced into a version called "stable". -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 11:26:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25985 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:10:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25760 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:09:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06324; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:08:59 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199803161808.PAA06324@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: proposed minimum change to rc.conf In-Reply-To: <199803161453.PAA20197@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from Luigi Rizzo at "Mar 16, 98 03:53:46 pm" To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:08:59 -0300 (EST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk #define quoting(Luigi Rizzo) // Opinions ? And in case, could this go into -current or -stable ? // // cheers // luigi // // info# diff -ubwr rc.conf rc.conf.diskless // --- rc.conf.orig Thu Mar 12 13:34:45 1998 // +++ rc.conf Mon Mar 16 12:28:10 1998 // @@ -25,7 +25,10 @@ // ############################################################## // // ### Basic network options: ### // +if [ "`hostname`" = "" ] // +then // hostname="myname.mydomain" # Set this! // +fi IMHO rc.conf should have no commands, only settings. I'd prefer if these changes were in other file. To avoid problems, you could create a new variable in rc.conf: diskless=YES and let it control behaviour elsewhere. Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 11:50:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03186 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:50:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from portwwwbus.tc.cc.va.us (portwwwbus.tc.cc.va.us [164.106.211.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03167 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:50:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from djflow@portwwwbus.tc.cc.va.us) Received: from localhost (djflow@localhost) by portwwwbus.tc.cc.va.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA12007; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:48:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:48:19 -0500 (EST) From: Derek Flowers To: Mike Smith cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change In-Reply-To: <199803161333.FAA14802@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Keep it in. The changes are meant to be placed in 2.2.6-RELEASE where most who install it will be doing fresh installs. Those who upgrade or cvsup the changes are at some point going to have to do it sooner or later. After all, FreeBSD is a work in progress. You can either stay in the past with the compatibility slice and not upgrade or backup, reinstall, and get the newest technology. Let's make life for the system developers easier. P.S. I don't mean to step on anybody's toes. This reminds me of the Fat32 problem Microsoft stuck everybody in. ---------------------------------------- Derek Flowers djflow@erols.com http://portwwwbus.tc.cc.va.us/~djflow "640K ought to be enough for anybody." -Bill Gates, circa 1981 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 12:18:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10758 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:18:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA10728 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:18:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yEgKO-0002dS-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:17:44 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA01634; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:17:52 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803162017.NAA01634@harmony.village.org> To: Gary Kline Subject: Re: stty erase ^H ? Cc: chad@dcfinc.com, wrsomsky@halcyon.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:05:24 PST." <199803161905.LAA20934@athena.tera.com> References: <199803161905.LAA20934@athena.tera.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:17:52 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message <199803161905.LAA20934@athena.tera.com> Gary Kline writes: : I'll burn up some bandwidth to say ``Right on... '' Suffice to say that DEL has its supporters as well... Too much bandwidth has been wasted on this. The status quo is the right way to go... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 13:15:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25513 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:15:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from home.pelops.com (root@pelops.com [204.255.233.232] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA25467 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:15:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbj@home.pelops.com) Received: from home.pelops.com (dbj@localhost.pelops.com [127.0.0.1]) by home.pelops.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02036 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:12:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803162112.QAA02036@home.pelops.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:12:57 -0500 (EST) From: dbj@pelops.com Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I vote for keeping the change in as well. Although there will indeed be some headache involved, for many I suspect the changeover will be quite easy--My weekly update (done last Friday night) went without a hitch. -- Dave On 16 Mar, Derek Flowers wrote: > Keep it in. The changes are meant to be placed in 2.2.6-RELEASE > where most who install it will be doing fresh installs. Those who > upgrade or cvsup the changes are at some point going to have to do > it sooner or later. After all, FreeBSD is a work in progress. You > can either stay in the past with the compatibility slice and not > upgrade or backup, reinstall, and get the newest technology. Let's > make life for the system developers easier. -- David E. Brooks Jr mailto:dbj@pelops.com Tantalus Incorporated http://members.iglou.com/dbj/ 130 Fairfax Avenue, Suite 1D Louisville, KY 40207 finger dbj@iglou.com for public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 13:17:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25960 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:17:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from csla.csl.sri.com (csla.csl.sri.com [192.12.33.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA25845 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:16:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gilham@csl.sri.com) Received: from snapdragon.csl.sri.com (snapdragon.csl.sri.com [130.107.18.20]) by csla.csl.sri.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA00176 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:11:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from snapdragon.csl.sri.com (localhost.csl.sri.com [127.0.0.1]) by snapdragon.csl.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA13582 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:15:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803162115.NAA13582@snapdragon.csl.sri.com> To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: stty erase ^H ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:29:48 PST." <199803161729.JAA20271@athena.tera.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:15:35 -0800 From: Fred Gilham Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk < Response to people proposing making ^H some kind of default, I'm not sure what because I already have to install several files to properly extripate it.... > I would like to propose the following contrarian notion: Make the key in the upper right hand corner of the alphanumeric portion of the typical PC keyboard emit a ^? or \177 or whatever is necessary to match some level of vtXXX or xterm compatibility. Why? If one wants to use emacs or tcsh under FreeBSD and get the full benifit of meta keys (esp. to do meta-delete), one has to install a new key map, fix termcap and jump through another hoop or two (details escape me now). Note that the above cannot be done by users; administrative (i.e. root-password-level) intervention is necessary. However, if one were to implement my proposal, the emacs users in the world would be happy AND nobody else would notice anything! Who cares (except emacs users) what character code is emitted when you press the variously labeled key in the upper right corner of the alphanumeric region of the PC keyboard? As long as it properly interacts with your terminal setting to cause the character to the left of the cursor to be DELETED, everything is fine! So to summarize, setting the <-- key to produce a delete character will make many people happy and will not inconvenience others. -Fred Gilham gilham@csl.sri.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 14:09:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09084 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:09:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bogslab.ucdavis.edu (root@bogslab.ucdavis.edu [128.120.162.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA09036 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:09:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from greg@bogslab.ucdavis.edu) Received: from myrtle1.bogs.org (root@myrtle1.bogs.org [198.137.203.39]) by bogslab.ucdavis.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27094 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:09:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from myrtle1.bogs.org (greg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by myrtle1.bogs.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA00332 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:07:16 -0800 Message-Id: <199803162207.OAA00332@myrtle1.bogs.org> To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:12:57 EST." <199803162112.QAA02036@home.pelops.com> Reply-To: gkshenaut@ucdavis.edu Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:06:52 -0800 From: Greg Shenaut Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Keep it in. -Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 15:21:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27816 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:21:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from elvis.vnet.net (elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27594 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:21:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hajime@vnet.net) Received: from katie.vnet.net (hajime@katie.vnet.net [166.82.1.7]) by elvis.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA24754; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:20:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hajime@localhost) by katie.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA09989; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:20:32 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: katie.vnet.net: hajime owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:20:32 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Hodges To: Mike Smith cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change In-Reply-To: <199803161333.FAA14802@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > - Keep; we have already deployed and changing back would be expensive. > - Keep; the new approach allows us extra flexibility and consistency. > - Keep; the compatibility slice is an abomination and we never use it. > IMHO KEEP KEEP KEEP Please don't punish us for keeping our systems up to date. The time to take a poll would have been before these changes were put in. Now that they have been commited stick by your improvements. Is there no way to backout/patch these changes or "freeze/snapshot" for those user's who must remain backward compatible? That being said, if these changes will cause anyone undue hardship AND they aren't coming in again real soon back them out. But please please please provide us with a clear consise document to help us roll our systems back. Jim ___________________________________________________ Jim Hodges jim.hodges@vnet.net ___________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 16:40:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24758 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:40:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24613 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:40:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA12927; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:32:49 GMT (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199803170032.AAA12927@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: "Nate Williams" cc: Stephen Wynne , brian@Awfulhak.org, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On-demand dynamic PPP not doing default route correctly In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:02:51 MST." <199803161302.GAA01357@nomad.mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:32:48 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk [.....] > Hmm, that seemed to do the 'routing' trick for sure. *MUCH* better than > having to futz with the routing. However, I don't know what's happening > with the link getting all balled up, since I'm not sure whose fault it > is. The rationale behind the ppp.linkup bit is that ppp doesn't know where your default route should point 'till it negotiates an IP with the other side. The ``add default HISADDR'' will do this. Ppp doesn't cache these ``add'' and ``delete'' commands and re-apply them when the interface addresses change (which I believe pppd does with the ``defaultroute'' config option). Therefore, the ppp.linkup file must have them. If you're in -auto mode, the `set ifaddr' will configure the interface immediately. If not, the `set ifaddr' values are only used at the negotiation stage, and the final IPs agreed are used to configure the interface for the first time. This is true for interactive mode (ppp myisp). Because of this, the "add ..." fails - no route to HISADDR. > Thanks alot for the routing information. It's certainly made life > easier for me! As far as the link jamming is concerned, lqr and ECHO lqr now works properly (well, for me anyway). While re-organising it in the MP branch, I discovered what the problem has been all these years :-) You may want to enable lqr set log +lqm or if you're in interactive mode (or on a diagnostic socket) set log local +lqm You should see if the other side is silently drifting into oblivion. It's also worth doing the occasional ``show hdlc'' to see if you're getting FCS errors - lots of them may mean you've got a login: prompt at the other end :-( > Nate -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 16:45:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26861 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:45:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tok.qiv.com (je45RiCV48D8kC3+u+OGHMR1cM5OkCZT@tok.qiv.com [204.214.141.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26763 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:45:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdn@acp.qiv.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tok.qiv.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with UUCP id SAA27754; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:45:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (jdn@localhost) by acp.qiv.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA01180; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:43:15 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:43:15 -0600 (CST) From: Jay Nelson To: Mike Smith cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change In-Reply-To: <199803161333.FAA14802@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Keep it: it's already in and backing it out will inconvenience as many as keeping it in. Changes like this in a "stable" branch are unsettling, but now that it is in, I think it's more productive to document the change and corrective procedure in the README.TXT _and_ in the upgrade section of INSTALL.TXT. I looked at both from yesterdays snap and saw no mention in either. If I was not following this list, I would have been nailed to the wall with the change. If I were a new user -- or building a fresh install, I doubt I would have noticed. -- Jay To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 17:52:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11831 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:52:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.2.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11789 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:52:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chad@freebie.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.7/8.8.3a) id SAA20668; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:51:21 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199803170151.SAA20668@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: stty erase ^H ? To: gilham@csl.sri.com (Fred Gilham) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:51:21 -0700 (MST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199803162115.NAA13582@snapdragon.csl.sri.com> from Fred Gilham at "Mar 16, 98 01:15:35 pm" Reply-to: chad@dcfinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > So to summarize, setting the <-- key to produce a delete character > will make many people happy and will not inconvenience others. Except me, who leaves the STTY settings the way they have been since I started UNIX hacking in about '83. Which is, DEL (0xff) is the interrupt character, and BS (0x08) backspaces. You'd leave me with two ways to backspace, but I'd have to pick some other MS-DOS abomination like CNTL-C (0x03) to be able to interrupt running jobs. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-953-1392 chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 18:03:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17017 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:03:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA16954 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:02:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28034; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:01:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: chad@dcfinc.com cc: gilham@csl.sri.com (Fred Gilham), stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: stty erase ^H ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:51:21 MST." <199803170151.SAA20668@freebie.dcfinc.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:01:34 -0800 Message-ID: <28031.890100094@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk This whole discussion is rather pointless in any case. No changes to the current keymap behavior are planned or will be made. Jordan > > So to summarize, setting the <-- key to produce a delete character > > will make many people happy and will not inconvenience others. > > Except me, who leaves the STTY settings the way they have been since I > started UNIX hacking in about '83. > > Which is, DEL (0xff) is the interrupt character, and BS (0x08) > backspaces. You'd leave me with two ways to backspace, but I'd have to > pick some other MS-DOS abomination like CNTL-C (0x03) to be able to > interrupt running jobs. > -crl > -- > Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? > 602-953-1392 chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com larson1@home.com > DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 18:20:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21709 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:20:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hilda.sci.usq.edu.au (hilda.sci.usq.edu.au [139.86.144.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA21695 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:19:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vance@usq.edu.au) Received: (qmail 5602 invoked by uid 205); 17 Mar 1998 02:19:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19980317021919.5601.qmail@hilda.sci.usq.edu.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Secure mirror In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:21:11 +0200. <199803151621.SAA20834@greenpeace.grondar.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:19:18 +1000 From: Christopher JS Vance Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message <199803151621.SAA20834@greenpeace.grondar.za>, Mark Murray wrote: | Scot Elliott wrote: | > I was wondering why there was only one site serving the international | > secure stuff for FreeBSD. I know a lot of countries have export | > regulations about this and South Africa doesnt (?). Could we ask those mirrors where it's legal to mirror src-crypto and src-secure as well as the other stuff? My cvsups to South Africa are almost always stillborn. -- Christopher To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 18:50:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28597 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:50:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28563 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:50:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05430; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:50:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <350DE4EC.7ECE44C@dal.net> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:50:20 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA-0316 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change References: <199803161333.FAA14802@dingo.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Strong vote for keeping it in. In my mind (and with all due respect to those involved) the problems we've seen were caused by too little notice, too little regression testing, and too few people reading the right lists at all. It seems to me that the bugs have been worked out of the thing, and we have an opportunity to shout the news from the mountaintops before 2.2.6 goes golden. That combined with the "Important upgrade info" page that is going to go into production prior to 2.2.6 should put us in a good position. I would really hate to take a step backward at this point, especially if there's a chance there will be another release in the 2.2 branch. That said, I did think of another way to handle the problem of a mismatch between a new kernel and an old mount. Put the test for most up to date mount version that someone suggested previously into /usr/sbin/config. If the user is about to do damage, config should bomb loud and ugly with the appropriate information. In fact, this method could be extensible to other cases in the future with a little thought. :) Hope this helps, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 19:38:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05431 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:38:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA05396 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:38:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA04889; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:08:03 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199803170338.OAA04889@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Nate Williams" cc: brian@awfulhawk.org, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On-demand dynamic PPP not doing default route correctly In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Mar 1998 03:21:53 PDT." <199803161021.DAA01019@nomad.mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:08:02 +1030 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > first thing it does is setup a default route to 10.0.0.2 (totally > bogus). However, the tun0 device is setup correctly with the remote > site. What I did when I was using dynamic IP was setup a route to the tun0 device itself.. (ie route add deafult -iface tun0) > problem, but if I use Win95 PPP it *NEVER* locks up. I have TCP > extensions turned off if that makes any difference. (It also seems to > be related to the use of fetchmail if that gives anyone any ideas.) Try diabling LQR, ie disable lqr deny lqr > The third problem is that if the line 'times out', when it comes back up > I often-times have a different IP address and default route. PPP is not > corretly re-setting the default route when it re-dials. You can make a file called /etc/ppp/ppp.linkup which contains a label, then a list of ppp commands to execute when the link comes up.. there is also ppp.linkdown which does the obvious :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 19:45:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06680 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:45:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from const. (tulip2.verinet.com [199.45.181.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA06644 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:45:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from allenc@verinet.com) Received: (from allenc@localhost) by const. (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA12494; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:44:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from allenc) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:44:14 -0700 (MST) From: allen campbell Message-Id: <199803170344.UAA12494@const.> To: mike@smith.net.au, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change In-Reply-To: <199803161333.FAA14802@dingo.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Keep; Emit a warning and suggest corrective action. I know this breaks the mold but nothing else quite makes it. Allen Campbell allenc@verinet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 20:01:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10262 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:01:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.scitec.com.au (firewall-user@fgate.scitec.com.au [203.17.180.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA10203 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:01:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john.saunders@scitec.com.au) Received: by firewall.scitec.com.au; id OAA19426; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:01:25 +1000 (EST) Received: from mailhub.scitec.com.au(203.17.180.131) by fgate.scitec.com.au via smap (3.2) id xma019419; Tue, 17 Mar 98 14:01:01 +1000 Received: from hydra.scitec.com.au (hydra.scitec.com.au [203.17.182.101]) by mailhub.scitec.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA10529 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:00:42 +1000 Received: from scitec.com.au (saruman.scitec.com.au) by hydra.scitec.com.au with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA298177241; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:00:41 +1100 Message-Id: <350DF56A.7D6257F9@scitec.com.au> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:00:42 +1100 From: John Saunders Organization: SCITEC LIMITED X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: stty erase ^H ? References: <28031.890100094@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > This whole discussion is rather pointless in any case. No changes to > the current keymap behavior are planned or will be made. The main problem I've found is backspace in an xterm. The console works fine, but xterm has a mind of it's own when it inits the pty modes. It sets erase to ^? unless you manually override with... XTerm*ttyModes:erase ^H ...in your X resource file (whatever you choose to call it). Cheers. -- +------------------------------------------------------------+ . | John Saunders mailto:John.Saunders@scitec.com.au (Work) | ,--_|\ | mailto:john@nlc.net.au (Home) | / Oz \ | http://www.nlc.net.au/~john/ | \_,--\_/ | SCITEC LIMITED Phone +61 2 9428 9563 Fax +61 2 9428 9933 | v | "By the time you make ends meet, they move the ends." | +------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 21:58:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA01896 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:58:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01757 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:58:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23124; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:57:53 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01922; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:57:52 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Message-Id: <199803170557.HAA01922@greenpeace.grondar.za> To: Christopher JS Vance cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Secure mirror Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:57:48 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Christopher JS Vance wrote: > Could we ask those mirrors where it's legal to mirror src-crypto and > src-secure as well as the other stuff? My cvsups to South Africa are > almost always stillborn. Have you tried both cvsup.internat.freebsd.org and cvsup2.internat.freebsd.org? M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 22:05:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03230 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:05:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA03221 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:05:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (tnt73.wcc.net [208.10.139.73]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA25061; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:01:05 -0600 (CST) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00906; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:04:56 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:04:56 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199803170604.AAA00906@detlev.UUCP> To: wrsomsky@halcyon.com CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199803160612.WAA00415.gramarye.wrsomsky@halcyon.com> Subject: Re: stty erase ^H ? From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <199803160612.WAA00415.gramarye.wrsomsky@halcyon.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Wasn't there some discussion at one time about making the default > stty mode be erase ^H (backspace), since that is what our default > console keymapping makes the key that you would normally hit to do > an erase operation, ie, the backspace key actually sends a > backspace? If there was a discussion, I missed it. But, I would personally vote more for mapping the backspace key to 0177 instead. This is more in keeping with what many Unix workstations use, and (more importantly, IMHO) keeps Emacs users happy (since ^H is Emacs for 'help', and 0177 is Emacs for 'delete-backward-char', regardless of the stty modes). Best, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 22:19:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07178 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:19:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tarkin.smlab.com ([208.132.36.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA07105 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:19:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@r2d2.smlab.com) Received: from r2d2.smlab.com (mike@r2d2.smlab.com [208.132.36.130]) by tarkin.smlab.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA09998 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by r2d2.smlab.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id BAA04314 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:18:15 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:18:15 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Nowlin To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: wierd "mount" error message on 2.2.6 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I just bumped my 2.2-STABLE machine up to 2.2.6 (first upgrade since October(?)), and now it won't boot.... Arrgh.... I'm getting an error when it tries to mount all the filesystems: /dev/sd0a on /: Specified device does not match mounted device. ...the /etc/fstab entry reads: /dev/sd0a / ufs rw 1 1 /var and /usr mount up just fine (same drive -- /dev/sd0s1e & /dev/sd0s1e) A bit of grepping through the mailing list didn't turn up anything, so here I am... (time passes...) Let me make sure it still boots off the old kernel (more time passes...) Seems to work. Any ideas? (My first guess is I screwed something up in the kernel compile options...) --Mike mike@smlab.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 22:23:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA08769 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:23:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tarkin.smlab.com ([208.132.36.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA08722 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:23:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@r2d2.smlab.com) Received: from r2d2.smlab.com (mike@r2d2.smlab.com [208.132.36.130]) by tarkin.smlab.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA10009 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:29:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by r2d2.smlab.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id BAA04354 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:23:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:23:03 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Nowlin To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: stupid, stupid, stupid Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk My apologies to the world -- I just sent in a long-winded message about boot failures (not mounting /), said that I looked through the list first, shipped the message off, then realized I didn't check the right mailbox.... DUMB, DUMB, DUMB!!!!!!!!! Send flame mail to: Mike Nowlin mike@smlab.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 22:46:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12594 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:46:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgate.cadence.com (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12589 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:46:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cwsung@Sung.org) Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.cadence.com (8.8.5/8.6.8) id WAA03592; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:46:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from annex-sj5-01.cadence.com(158.140.36.100) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (mjr-v1.2) id xma890117167.003590; Mon, 16 Mar 98 22:46:07 -0800 Received: from win95.Sung.org (win95.sung.org [90.0.0.1]) by vampire.sung.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA03803; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:45:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: X-Sender: root@90.0.0.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:46:09 -0800 To: Mike Nowlin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Christian W. Sung" Subject: Re: wierd "mount" error message on 2.2.6 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike, At 01:18 AM 3/17/98 -0500, Mike Nowlin wrote: > >I just bumped my 2.2-STABLE machine up to 2.2.6 (first upgrade since >October(?)), and now it won't boot.... Arrgh.... > >I'm getting an error when it tries to mount all the filesystems: You're not the only one that has experienced this :-) > >/dev/sd0a on /: Specified device does not match mounted device. > >...the /etc/fstab entry reads: > >/dev/sd0a / ufs rw 1 1 > >/var and /usr mount up just fine (same drive -- /dev/sd0s1e & /dev/sd0s1e) > First, run "make world" at a bare minimum, THEN rebuild your kernel. At this point you should have everything working just fine. You may get a message from "mount" complaining about the root slice on /dev/sd0 with suggestions to update fstab. Follow its suggestions! >A bit of grepping through the mailing list didn't turn up anything, so >here I am... (time passes...) Let me make sure it still boots off the >old kernel (more time passes...) Seems to work. > There have been at least two or three dozen messages regarding this issue on the past two days ;-) >Any ideas? (My first guess is I screwed something up in the kernel >compile options...) > >--Mike >mike@smlab.com > Hope it goes well after doing the above, Regards, Christian W. Sung IS Management Consultant Senior UNIX Consultant Ph. 1-800-COM-UNIX E-mail : cwsung@Sung.org Website: www.Sung.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.2 iQA/AwUBNQ4cMKkop69ZoATNEQKEGwCfX49y/A8qb6qhKuyekyRN9MmQHZsAoPeX +1MOxmGe97M/Jwb/zHn74boi =MAln -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 22:47:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12776 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:47:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp4.nwnexus.com (smtp4.nwnexus.com [206.63.63.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12768 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:47:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wrsomsky@halcyon.com) Received: from gramarye (evt-lx100-ip2.nwnexus.net [204.57.235.2]) by smtp4.nwnexus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA03139; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:47:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wrsomsky@localhost) by gramarye (8.8.8/8.8.7) id WAA00622; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:39:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wrsomsky) From: "William R. Somsky" Message-Id: <199803170639.WAA00622.gramarye.wrsomsky@halcyon.com> Subject: Re: stty erase ^H ? In-Reply-To: <28031.890100094@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Mar 16, 98 06:01:34 pm" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:39:17 -0800 (PST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > This whole discussion is rather pointless in any case. No changes to > the current keymap behavior are planned or will be made. Sorry for bringing it up. It's drifted (more like leapt, actually) off of where I was pointing anyway (I was talking about whether the stty erase setting should be DEL or BS, not whether the upper-rightmost key should generate DEL or BS). I should have guessed this. Next time I'll think _three_ times before posting, and try to think explicitly of what it might lead to... ________________________________________________________________________ William R. Somsky wrsomsky@halcyon.com Physicist, Baritone, Guitarist http://www.halcyon.com/wrsomsky To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 16 23:30:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21241 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:30:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from murkwood.gaffaneys.com (dialup5.gaffaneys.com [208.155.161.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA21163 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:30:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zach@gaffaneys.com) Received: (from zach@localhost) by murkwood.gaffaneys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA06182; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:30:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from zach) Message-ID: <19980317013027.42931@gaffaneys.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:30:27 -0600 From: Zach Heilig To: Tom Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Should make world depend on old libs in /usr/lib? References: <19980316024910.26200@gaffaneys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Tom on Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 10:53:09AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 10:53:09AM -0800, Tom wrote: > What do you mean by *_p*? Are you referring to the profiled libraries? > If so, you want *_p.a Your pattern will delete at least one important > file: libc_pic.a Yes, exactly -- and also libgcc_pic.a. The question I was asking is: 'make world' currently uses /usr/lib/libc_pic.a (and /usr/lib/libgcc_pic.a) instead of '/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc_pic.a' (and ...). Should it be doing that? -- Zach Heilig -- zach@gaffaneys.com Real Programs don't use shared text. Otherwise, how can they use functions for scratch space after they are finished calling them? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 01:43:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA08159 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:43:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomad.mt.sri.com (ppp49-max02.twics.com [202.237.149.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA08148 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:43:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.mt.sri.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA00552; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:43:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:43:25 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803170943.CAA00552@nomad.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Brian Somers Cc: "Nate Williams" , Stephen Wynne , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On-demand dynamic PPP not doing default route correctly In-Reply-To: <199803170032.AAA12927@awfulhak.org> References: <199803161302.GAA01357@nomad.mt.sri.com> <199803170032.AAA12927@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "Nate Williams" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Hmm, that seemed to do the 'routing' trick for sure. *MUCH* better than > > having to futz with the routing. However, I don't know what's happening > > with the link getting all balled up, since I'm not sure whose fault it > > is. > > The rationale behind the ppp.linkup bit is that ppp doesn't know > where your default route should point 'till it negotiates an IP with > the other side. So why doesn't it wait to se the default route until after it knows the other side? It seems silly to set something that you know ahead of time is bous. The ``add default HISADDR'' will do this. Ppp > doesn't cache these ``add'' and ``delete'' commands and re-apply them > when the interface addresses change (which I believe pppd does with > the ``defaultroute'' config option). Therefore, the ppp.linkup file > must have them. IMHO, routing shouldn't be necessary in ppp.linkup. What previously only required editing one file now requires editing two, thus increasing the complexity (un-necessarily). > > Thanks alot for the routing information. It's certainly made life > > easier for me! > > As far as the link jamming is concerned, lqr and ECHO lqr now works > properly (well, for me anyway). While re-organising it in the MP > branch, I discovered what the problem has been all these years :-) > > You may want to > > enable lqr > set log +lqm OK. What am I looking for? > or if you're in interactive mode (or on a diagnostic socket) > > set log local +lqm > > You should see if the other side is silently drifting into oblivion. > It's also worth doing the occasional ``show hdlc'' to see if you're > getting FCS errors - lots of them may mean you've got a login: prompt > at the other end :-( The link shouldn't ever work if I'm seeing a login prompt. My problem is that it works for 15-60 messages (using fetchmail) then jams. However, this morning it jammed doing downloads, so I can now say that it appears to jam with about anything, but randomly. (It jammped 3 times in the 4 minutes I took to answer this.) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 01:49:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA09266 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:49:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomad.mt.sri.com (ppp55-max02.twics.com [202.237.149.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA09254 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:49:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.mt.sri.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA00845; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:49:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:49:30 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803170949.CAA00845@nomad.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Daniel O'Connor" Cc: "Nate Williams" , brian@awfulhawk.org, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On-demand dynamic PPP not doing default route correctly In-Reply-To: <199803170338.OAA04889@cain.gsoft.com.au> References: <199803161021.DAA01019@nomad.mt.sri.com> <199803170338.OAA04889@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "Nate Williams" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > problem, but if I use Win95 PPP it *NEVER* locks up. I have TCP > > extensions turned off if that makes any difference. (It also seems to > > be related to the use of fetchmail if that gives anyone any ideas.) > Try diabling LQR, ie > disable lqr > deny lqr I had deny lqr, but not disable lqr. I'll try that and see if it helps. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 01:50:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA09473 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:50:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA09468 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:50:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA09858; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:48:54 +1100 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:48:54 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199803170948.UAA09858@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: tom@uniserve.com, zach@gaffaneys.com Subject: Re: Should make world depend on old libs in /usr/lib? Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >The question I was asking is: > >'make world' currently uses /usr/lib/libc_pic.a (and /usr/lib/libgcc_pic.a) >instead of '/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libc_pic.a' (and ...). Should it be >doing that? It shouldn't, but this is normal. `make world' builds its first copy of ld.so before building any libraries, so the first copy gets linked to old libraries. This is fairly harmless. Fixed in -current. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 02:44:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA14932 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:44:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from solaric.UkrCard.COM (ukrcard-gu.gu.net [194.93.170.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA14924 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:44:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@UkrCard.COM) Received: from localhost (alex@localhost) by solaric.UkrCard.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA24448; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:43:39 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from alex@solaric.UkrCard.COM) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:43:37 +0200 (EET) From: Alexander Tatmaniants To: Mike Smith cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change In-Reply-To: <199803161333.FAA14802@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Keep; we have already deployed and changing back would be expensive. Keep; the new approach allows us extra flexibility and consistency. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 02:49:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA15492 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:49:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA15469 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:49:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA29772; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:49:29 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA07541; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:49:28 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980317114924.43713@follo.net> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:49:24 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Nate Williams , Brian Somers Cc: Stephen Wynne , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On-demand dynamic PPP not doing default route correctly References: <199803161302.GAA01357@nomad.mt.sri.com> <199803170032.AAA12927@awfulhak.org> <199803170943.CAA00552@nomad.mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199803170943.CAA00552@nomad.mt.sri.com>; from Nate Williams on Tue, Mar 17, 1998 at 02:43:25AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, Mar 17, 1998 at 02:43:25AM -0700, Nate Williams wrote: > > > Hmm, that seemed to do the 'routing' trick for sure. *MUCH* better than > > > having to futz with the routing. However, I don't know what's happening > > > with the link getting all balled up, since I'm not sure whose fault it > > > is. > > > > The rationale behind the ppp.linkup bit is that ppp doesn't know > > where your default route should point 'till it negotiates an IP with > > the other side. > > So why doesn't it wait to se the default route until after it knows the > other side? It seems silly to set something that you know ahead of time > is bous. Cause otherwise it won't get the packets to start it dialling, and it doesn't get any new default route. Catch 22. I like to use an interface route for the dial-on-demand case, but that only work satisfactory when you are not doing FTP or other address-encoding protocols locally from that box, and you _are_ using aliasing. I can go into the details for the above if there is interest; I've already described my code to Brian (and offered him a copy of the code, IIRC). Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 03:25:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA19152 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 03:25:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA19144 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 03:25:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA00374; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:24:53 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA07690; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:24:48 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980317122447.16138@follo.net> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:24:47 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Studded , Mike Smith Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change References: <199803161333.FAA14802@dingo.cdrom.com> <350DE4EC.7ECE44C@dal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <350DE4EC.7ECE44C@dal.net>; from Studded on Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 06:50:20PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 06:50:20PM -0800, Studded wrote: > Strong vote for keeping it in. In my mind (and with all due respect to > those involved) the problems we've seen were caused by too little > notice, too little regression testing, and too few people reading the > right lists at all. It seems to me that the bugs have been worked out of > the thing, and we have an opportunity to shout the news from the > mountaintops before 2.2.6 goes golden. That combined with the "Important > upgrade info" page that is going to go into production prior to 2.2.6 > should put us in a good position. I would really hate to take a step > backward at this point, especially if there's a chance there will be > another release in the 2.2 branch. > > That said, I did think of another way to handle the problem of a > mismatch between a new kernel and an old mount. Put the test for most up > to date mount version that someone suggested previously into > /usr/sbin/config. If the user is about to do damage, config should bomb > loud and ugly with the appropriate information. In fact, this method > could be extensible to other cases in the future with a little thought. > :) I'm having a hard time seeing how this can be considered generic; e.g, I'm building most of my stuff for use on _other_ machines, and what I have installed locally is of little concern to the build. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 03:36:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA20195 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 03:36:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomad.mt.sri.com (ppp41-max01.twics.com [202.237.149.168]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA20177 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 03:36:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.mt.sri.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA01092; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 04:36:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 04:36:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803171136.EAA01092@nomad.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Nate Williams" Cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , brian@awfulhak.org, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On-demand dynamic PPP not doing default route correctly In-Reply-To: <199803170949.CAA00845@nomad.mt.sri.com> References: <199803161021.DAA01019@nomad.mt.sri.com> <199803170338.OAA04889@cain.gsoft.com.au> <199803170949.CAA00845@nomad.mt.sri.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "Nate Williams" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > problem, but if I use Win95 PPP it *NEVER* locks up. I have TCP > > > extensions turned off if that makes any difference. (It also seems to > > > be related to the use of fetchmail if that gives anyone any ideas.) > > Try diabling LQR, ie > > disable lqr > > deny lqr > > I had deny lqr, but not disable lqr. I'll try that and see if it helps. Things are looking *MUCH* better at this point. I disabled lqr, and now I've went 15 minutes w/out a lockup/hang. In short, I think this is it. (Sorry Brian, but it appears that LQR is still broken from my experience, at least in the version in -stable as of late last week.) In summary, it appears that all of my problems are solved. :) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 05:11:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09595 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:11:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA09587 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:11:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from [208.2.87.4] (user4.dataplex.net [208.2.87.4]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA27672; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:09:54 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <350DE4EC.7ECE44C@dal.net> References: <199803161333.FAA14802@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:06:14 -0600 To: Studded From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change Cc: Mike Smith , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 8:50 PM -0600 3/16/98, Studded wrote: >Strong vote for keeping it in. In my mind (and with all due respect to >those involved) the problems we've seen were caused by too little >notice, too little regression testing, and too few people reading the >right lists at all. It seems to me that the bugs have been worked out of >the thing, and we have an opportunity to shout the news from the I believe that this is incorrect. I, am I am sure others who might not be so vocal, have a configuration that I don't know how to use with the new kernel. As I understand it, Mike understands the problem but does not (yet) have a solution short of reformatting the HD. > That said, I did think of another way to handle the problem of a >mismatch between a new kernel and an old mount. Put the test for most up >to date mount version that someone suggested previously into >/usr/sbin/config. If the user is about to do damage, config should bomb >loud and ugly with the appropriate information. In fact, this method >could be extensible to other cases in the future with a little thought. >:) This is not a version mismatch problem. I have the latest (-stable) of everything. This includes the "mount", MAKEDEV, and kernel changes. All imagined sd0 entries are in /dev, etc. At a MINIMUM, I think that we need a script which will examine the HD's, the /dev tree and fstab and tell us what to change BEFORE we try to use it. Richard Wackerbarth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 05:21:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA11109 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:21:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ms2.hinet.net (root@ms2.hinet.net [168.95.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA11101 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:21:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zerodist@ms2.hinet.net) Received: from ms2.hinet.net (h136.s107.ts.hinet.net [168.95.107.136]) by ms2.hinet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA24729 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:21:54 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <350E7906.A1E04C88@ms2.hinet.net> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:22:14 +0800 From: zerodist X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Dlink DC21140 supported? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi: I have a freebsd box. It has two pentinum II cpu and the mother board is Asus p2L97 with aic7880 scsi on board. The net card is D-link DFE-500TX (10/100mb/s) with chip set dec dc21140. It is a pci card. These are my system. After I set freebsd up. The system tell me 'de0: transmission timeout'. I can't ping even to any other machine in the same local net . I check irq. There is no irq conflict. Besides there are only a vga, aic scsi cards on the system. So pci pnp should not be a problem. This net card works fine on win95 and NT server. So does freebsd really support Dec DC21140 Lan chipset ? Any early response is appreciated. Thanks. zerodist@ms2.hinet.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 05:30:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA12047 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:30:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from daffy.online.barbour-index.co.uk (daffy-vbc.online.barbour-index.co.uk [194.207.51.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA12040 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:30:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scot@online.barbour-index.co.uk) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by daffy.online.barbour-index.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA01835 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:30:20 GMT Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:30:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Scot Elliott To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I've had a few problems witht the new code too. The first couple were caused by my not reading the instructions properly; theese were SCSI devices and I did get it all working OK. The big problem came when upgrading a system that was origionally a 2.1.5 system with IDE disks. The fstab file had a "wd0a" entry for the root device. I changed this to wd0s1a - which mounts OK on /dist on the 2.2.5-RELEASE system. But when I booted with my new 2.2.6-BETA kernel, it didn't even have a chance to get into single user mode. Just got mesages about "unable to mount root device" - followed by a panic and a reboot. I tried to change the "kernel root on .." entry to wd0s1a - and still the same thing. So I had to give up and revert to 2.2.5-STABLE.. The machine's miles away so it's kind of hard to test these things. Anyone got any ideas? Thanks. Scot. On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Richard Wackerbarth wrote: > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:06:14 -0600 > From: Richard Wackerbarth > To: Studded > Cc: Mike Smith , stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change > > At 8:50 PM -0600 3/16/98, Studded wrote: > >Strong vote for keeping it in. In my mind (and with all due respect to > >those involved) the problems we've seen were caused by too little > >notice, too little regression testing, and too few people reading the > >right lists at all. It seems to me that the bugs have been worked out of > >the thing, and we have an opportunity to shout the news from the > > I believe that this is incorrect. I, am I am sure others who might not be > so vocal, > have a configuration that I don't know how to use with the new kernel. > > As I understand it, Mike understands the problem but does not (yet) have a > solution > short of reformatting the HD. > > > That said, I did think of another way to handle the problem of a > >mismatch between a new kernel and an old mount. Put the test for most up > >to date mount version that someone suggested previously into > >/usr/sbin/config. If the user is about to do damage, config should bomb > >loud and ugly with the appropriate information. In fact, this method > >could be extensible to other cases in the future with a little thought. > >:) > > This is not a version mismatch problem. I have the latest (-stable) of > everything. This includes the "mount", MAKEDEV, and kernel changes. All > imagined sd0 entries are in /dev, etc. > > At a MINIMUM, I think that we need a script which will examine the HD's, > the /dev tree and fstab and tell us what to change BEFORE we try to use it. > > Richard Wackerbarth > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott (scot@poptart.org) | Work: +44 (0)171 7046777 PGP fingerprint: FCAE9ED3A234FEB59F8C7F9DDD112D | Home: +44 (0)181 8961019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 06:09:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA17976 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:09:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA17971 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:09:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from [208.2.87.4] (user4.dataplex.net [208.2.87.4]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28182; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:08:17 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:05:25 -0600 To: Scot Elliott From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@smith.net.au Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 7:30 AM -0600 3/17/98, Scot Elliott wrote: >So I had to give up and revert to 2.2.5-STABLE.. The machine's miles >away so it's kind of hard to test these things. Anyone got any ideas? Keep "hammering" on Mike Smith. His changes caused the problem. I fear that he will view the early "it's great" comments as approval. However, the sample is EXTREMELY BIASED toward individuals who closely track things. If this change gets into the distribution, I expect there to be a significant number of users who get "bitten" by the same situation. And they don't even know that this discussion is taking place. Richard Wackerbarth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 06:30:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20449 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:30:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from daffy.online.barbour-index.co.uk (daffy-vbc.online.barbour-index.co.uk [194.207.51.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20443 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:30:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scot@online.barbour-index.co.uk) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by daffy.online.barbour-index.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA01893; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:29:25 GMT Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:29:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Scot Elliott To: Richard Wackerbarth cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Well - It needs to be done sooner or later.. if the -current changes have been around for a while, then it's better for the rest of us to get used to this right now. I'm just not sure how to make it work, that's all. Perhaps a script to suggest nescesary changes would be useful? I assume that sysinstall now puts the right entries in fstab? Also - can someone tell me what the "kernel root on..." option should be now? the GENERIC configuration still has this as wd0. Is this right? Cheers. Scot. On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Richard Wackerbarth wrote: > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:05:25 -0600 > From: Richard Wackerbarth > To: Scot Elliott > Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@smith.net.au > Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change > > At 7:30 AM -0600 3/17/98, Scot Elliott wrote: > >So I had to give up and revert to 2.2.5-STABLE.. The machine's miles > >away so it's kind of hard to test these things. Anyone got any ideas? > > Keep "hammering" on Mike Smith. His changes caused the problem. > I fear that he will view the early "it's great" comments as approval. > However, the sample is EXTREMELY BIASED toward individuals who closely > track things. If this change gets into the distribution, I expect there > to be a significant number of users who get "bitten" by the same situation. > And they don't even know that this discussion is taking place. > > Richard Wackerbarth > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott (scot@poptart.org) | Work: +44 (0)171 7046777 PGP fingerprint: FCAE9ED3A234FEB59F8C7F9DDD112D | Home: +44 (0)181 8961019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 06:38:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA21456 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:38:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA21447 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:38:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA05192; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:38:38 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA08382; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:38:37 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980317153836.54331@follo.net> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:38:36 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Richard Wackerbarth , Scot Elliott Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Richard Wackerbarth on Tue, Mar 17, 1998 at 08:05:25AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, Mar 17, 1998 at 08:05:25AM -0600, Richard Wackerbarth wrote: > At 7:30 AM -0600 3/17/98, Scot Elliott wrote: > >So I had to give up and revert to 2.2.5-STABLE.. The machine's miles > >away so it's kind of hard to test these things. Anyone got any ideas? > > Keep "hammering" on Mike Smith. His changes caused the problem. > I fear that he will view the early "it's great" comments as approval. I have voiced in favour of keeping the change, provided (1) We're _certain_ there isn't any more patological cases (2) We can put up big, prominent signs warning about updating only the kernel. The slice system is hairy enough for a beginner no matter what; removing the special casing for the root partition would be good. But only if it really remove the special casing, so the user can just think of a slice as a slice. > However, the sample is EXTREMELY BIASED toward individuals who closely > track things. If this change gets into the distribution, I expect there > to be a significant number of users who get "bitten" by the same situation. > And they don't even know that this discussion is taking place. Aye! They must be taken care of. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 06:51:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA23448 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:51:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA23435 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:51:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from [208.2.87.4] (user4.dataplex.net [208.2.87.4]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28683; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:51:04 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980317153836.54331@follo.net> References: ; from Richard Wackerbarth on Tue, Mar 17, 1998 at 08:05:25AM -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:49:06 -0600 To: Eivind Eklund From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@smith.net.au Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 8:38 AM -0600 3/17/98, Eivind Eklund wrote: >On Tue, Mar 17, 1998 at 08:05:25AM -0600, Richard Wackerbarth wrote: >> At 7:30 AM -0600 3/17/98, Scot Elliott wrote: >> >So I had to give up and revert to 2.2.5-STABLE.. The machine's miles >> >away so it's kind of hard to test these things. Anyone got any ideas? >> >> Keep "hammering" on Mike Smith. His changes caused the problem. >> I fear that he will view the early "it's great" comments as approval. > >I have voiced in favour of keeping the change, provided >(1) We're _certain_ there isn't any more patological cases AFAIK, there is not yet a "fix" for the situation that I (and others) have. I can work around the problem by formatting a new disk and moving all the files (note that dd will not work here) However, I worry about the "masses" who are not as able to do so. It is my personal opinion that these changes have no business in the 2.2 branch unless there is a reasonable upgrade path for EVERYONE who is already on 2.2.x. If we go to 2.3, or when we go to 3.0, then that is a different matter. Stiil, in either case, we need a test script to run before the upgrade that tells the user what to do to upgrade. >> And they don't even know that this discussion is taking place. > >Aye! They must be taken care of. AMEN! Richard Wackerbarth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 07:15:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA27848 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:15:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dragon.awen.com (dragon.awen.com [207.33.155.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA27828 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:15:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mburgett@dragon.awen.com) Received: (from mburgett@localhost) by dragon.awen.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id HAA07890; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:15:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803171515.HAA07890@dragon.awen.com> From: "Mike Burgett" To: "stable@freebsd.org" Date: Tue, 17 Mar 98 07:15:47 -0800 Reply-To: "Mike Burgett" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk keep: Most of the pain should already be past, and people have been told time and time again to read this list if they're running stable bits... Thanks, Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 07:34:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA03081 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:34:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bsampley.vip.best.com (bsampley.vip.best.com [206.184.160.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA02991 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:34:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsampley@best.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bsampley.vip.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA20080; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:32:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsampley@best.com) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:31:48 -0800 (PST) From: Burton Sampley X-Sender: bsampley@bsampley.vip.best.com To: Mike Smith cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change In-Reply-To: <199803161333.FAA14802@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > - Keep; the new approach allows us extra flexibility and consistency. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 07:39:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA05025 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:39:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA04961 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:39:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from [208.2.87.4] (user4.dataplex.net [208.2.87.4]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29570; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:39:10 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199803171515.HAA07890@dragon.awen.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:34:52 -0600 To: "Mike Burgett" From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change Cc: "stable@freebsd.org" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 9:15 AM -0600 3/17/98, Mike Burgett wrote: >keep: Most of the pain should already be past, and people have been told time >and time again to read this list if they're running stable bits... But what about the folks who get the 2.2.6 CD and wish to upgrade? We can put instructions, and preferrably a script that examines the current labels, on the CD. However, IMHO, the script needs to be able to "fix" the problem. At the present time, no one has told me, much less automated, a reasonable way to do this for all the existing cases. Richard Wackerbarth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 10:06:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09632 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:06:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from eyelab.psy.msu.edu (eyelab.psy.msu.edu [35.8.64.179]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09605 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:06:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@eyelab.psy.msu.edu) Received: from iso221.psy.msu.edu (iso221.psy.msu.edu [35.8.110.61]) by eyelab.psy.msu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA00216; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:06:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from root@eyelab.psy.msu.edu) Message-Id: <199803171806.NAA00216@eyelab.psy.msu.edu> X-Sender: root@eyelab.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:07:02 -0500 To: Scot Elliott From: Gary Schrock Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 02:29 PM 3/17/98 +0000, you wrote: >Well - It needs to be done sooner or later.. if the -current changes have >been around for a while, then it's better for the rest of us to get used >to this right now. I'm just not sure how to make it work, that's all. But they haven't been around for a while. They got committed to -current less than 24 hours before they were committed to -stable. So quite honestly, they hadn't had time to show problems in -current before they were inflicted on -stable. Gary Schrock root@eyelab.msu.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 10:08:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10159 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:08:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10080 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:08:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@vnode.vmunix.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04068; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:20:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mark) Message-ID: <19980317132053.31158@vmunix.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:20:53 -0500 From: Mark Mayo To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Studded Cc: FreeBSD-Stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Documentation plan? References: <350CF5E6.5DD147F5@dal.net> <7061.890049804@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <7061.890049804@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 04:03:24AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 04:03:24AM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Oh, no argument there. Well, you asked, so you shall receive. > > > As I said, I'd be happy to help with this project, and I can spend some > > time with the docs themselves as well. If no one better suited steps > > forward I would be willing to coordinate things provided there are > > actual volunteers to coordinate. :) That being said, I certainly think If I ever finish the damned thing, the online project database I've half coded up should work really well for coordinating initiatives like this one. > If past experience is any thing to go by, if you're capable of yelling > "CHARGE!" with enough reasonable authority, the volunteers will > appear. ;) I'm always available to help out with stuff like this. I can provide accounts on a box with decent bandwidth to those people who are genuinely interested in working with the docs, and as the co-author of the "other major documentation project" (www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/) I can help get the Tutorial fitting into place correctly. I believe Chris sent John Feiber the diffs to get our Tutorial in for the 2.2.6CD, and I saw a nice indexed version that John did of our stuff that looked really good. So I'm assuming that the tutorial is part of the CD.. :) My only problem right now is time... I'm taking 6 courses and working 20 hours per week to pay for those courses.. not a whole lot of free time. Otherwise, if you bug me enough, I can generally be enticed to actually spend time on the docs and help out. Just ask Chris - when he yells at me and makes me feel guilty for accomplishing so little, I almost always produce ;-) So tell me which of the .TXT docs I should look at first! -Mark (the other major hump I've hit is that I'm out of disk space on my server, which has made completing the online project database impossible... argh.. I should have some extra $$ sometime to slap a disk on there for /home) > > Jordan > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The problem is how do you build tools that understand your programs at a deeper semantic level." - James Gosling To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 10:29:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13895 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:29:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13869 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:29:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22525; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:29:14 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199803171829.PAA22525@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: Secure mirror In-Reply-To: <19980317021919.5601.qmail@hilda.sci.usq.edu.au> from Christopher JS Vance at "Mar 17, 98 12:19:18 pm" To: vance@usq.edu.au (Christopher JS Vance) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:29:13 -0300 (EST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk #define quoting(Christopher JS Vance) // Could we ask those mirrors where it's legal to mirror src-crypto and // src-secure as well as the other stuff? My cvsups to South Africa are // almost always stillborn. You may try to cvsup those from cvsup.br.freebsd.org, but I cannot say it'll be faster. :) Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 10:37:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17700 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:37:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17548 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:37:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA09711 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:37:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:37:12 -0500 (EST) From: jack To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Take it out. It makes an `upgrade' install a real guru level activity. The Disklabel Editor screen comes up showing NO partitions. Unless you know the sizes of your existing ones, and flip the NEWFS flags, everything will be lost. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 11:05:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA29784 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:05:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA29714 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:04:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yF1eV-0003DD-00; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:03:55 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA07139; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:03:59 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803171903.MAA07139@harmony.village.org> To: joelh@gnu.org Subject: Re: stty erase ^H ? Cc: wrsomsky@halcyon.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:04:56 CST." <199803170604.AAA00906@detlev.UUCP> References: <199803170604.AAA00906@detlev.UUCP> <199803160612.WAA00415.gramarye.wrsomsky@halcyon.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:03:59 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message <199803170604.AAA00906@detlev.UUCP> Joel Ray Holveck writes: : If there was a discussion, I missed it. This equine expired years ago.... However, for those poeple that want to change the behavior, it is relatively straight forward to hack the keymaps in question. I do this to swap ctrl and caps lock and make the <- key generate DEL (in X I do this via translations for xterm, since motif would delete forward character :-(. I am happy with the status quo in FreeBSD. My dot files cope with it quite well and any push for a change in this area will never happen. Warner P.S. Would there be support for a new, non-default keymap, much like the dvorak, which people can use in their rc.conf files? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 12:32:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00751 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:32:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00645 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:32:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19724; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:27:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <350EDCBF.A6C6A8A1@dal.net> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:27:43 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA-0316 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luigi Rizzo CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: proposed minimum change to rc.conf References: <199803161453.PAA20197@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > One way (perhaps not the only one) to tell a diskless machine is > that hostname is set by the BOOTP stuff before /etc/rc starts. As > it is now, I can put most machine-dependent stuff in /etc/rc.local, > but /etc/rc.conf now overrides the hostname and makes it harder to > preserve the identity of the system. If I'm following you correctly I think that you misunderstand how the boot process works. Nothing in rc.conf makes something happen, it's just a home for the various values that are used by the other scripts. After mounting disks and such, /etc/rc source's rc.conf, then begins calling the various other rc.* scripts, calling the network setup in rc.network, etc. If all you want to do is avoid having rc.network set a hostname, just comment out that line in rc.conf. Or, you could comment out the whole hostname section in rc.network, it's the very first bit. Also, I found a non-obvious thing in rc.network that allows you to specify a startup file for a given interface. I use this to start up dhcp and let it configure my nic before the rest of rc.network is called. I proposed some toggles in rc.conf/rc.network a while back to make life easier for dhcp users but it was shot down. If I'm unclear on what you actually want to do, please feel free to correct me. I'm working on a tutorial for dhcp so your actual needs will be good input. :) Hope this helps, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 12:52:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08661 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:52:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA08493 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:52:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id UAA22620; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:25:09 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199803171925.UAA22620@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: proposed minimum change to rc.conf To: Studded@dal.net (Studded) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:25:09 +0100 (MET) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <350EDCBF.A6C6A8A1@dal.net> from "Studded" at Mar 17, 98 12:27:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > boot process works. Nothing in rc.conf makes something happen, it's just ok, you are right, $hostname != /bin/hostname ... so the change i proposed can be applied to rc.conf.local or whatever it is called > If all you want to do is avoid having rc.network set a hostname, just ... > If I'm unclear on what you actually want to do, please feel free to > correct me. I'm working on a tutorial for dhcp so your actual needs will > be good input. :) my goal is to setup a server for diskless machines with shared root and /usr partition, mfs /tmp and /var, and local/nfs swap. I have had this working for about 3 yrs now, but creating the root partition requires some work for patching files in /etc. The switch to rc.conf and the presence of rc.local to override the defaults makes things relatively easier by concentrating changes in one place (i still need some patching to /etc/rc to mount and populate the mfs /var so that there is a writable partition to work on, but luckily the patch is reasonably small.) cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 15:19:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23739 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:19:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from techpower.net (hometeam@techpower.net [205.133.231.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23719 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:19:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hometeam@techpower.net) Received: from localhost (hometeam@localhost) by techpower.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA00382; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:17:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from hometeam@techpower.net) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:17:52 -0500 (EST) From: Jt To: Mike Tancsa cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ipfw unreach statement help In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980309214144.00c75100@sentex.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk There is new code out on this if you haven't gotten the diff I thought I would let you know. hometeam@techpower.net --We cannot all be masters, nor all masters Cannot be truly follow'd-- -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.2 owEBqwBU/4kAlQMFADRCxNWhsddKSTR+6QEBelED/jzeC3btZfqSdIfrNoCgwUJJ iNQ33UQoMyJ2ygkfl72xP5J79yml/F4P73GnNaDVbaMOmOG2NNAi5ElE73wRh54U 17kH+n5XnYeqekV8T2TG2Q6ex3UotXPyZ1vvrCrSxapOz6a4hh0GQeA55rcwLy2W ROHwxfvaVsrX5iVOkRoerBFiC21lc3NhZ2UudHh0AAAAAA== =jCvF -----END PGP MESSAGE----- On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Mike Tancsa wrote: > On a FreeBSD 2.2-980304-SNAP machine, I added the following > > ipfw add 02007 unreach 13 log icmp from any to any in recv ed0 icmptype 8 > > which shows up as > 02007 7 588 unreach filter-prohib log icmp from any to any > in recv ed0 icmptype 8 > > > But when I ping the host from the outside, I dont get an ICMP message back > that its blocked by a filter as I do when ping a different non-FreeBSD > hosts (e.g.) > > 36 bytes from cn-onet.uwaterloo.ca (129.97.144.1): Communication prohibited > by filter > Vr HL TOS Len ID Flg off TTL Pro cks Src Dst > 4 5 00 5400 d4ac 0 0000 f6 01 b217 207.245.239.1 129.97.42.10 > > > Thanks, > > ---Mike > ********************************************************************** > Mike Tancsa (mike@sentex.net) * To do is to be -- Nietzsche > Sentex Communications Corp, * To be is to do -- Sartre > Cambridge, Ontario * Do be do be do -- Sinatra > (http://www.sentex.net/~mdtancsa) * > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 15:45:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29913 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:45:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [207.149.232.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29906 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:45:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21000; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:44:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rgrimes) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199803172344.PAA21000@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change In-Reply-To: <199803161333.FAA14802@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Mar 16, 98 05:33:25 am" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:44:00 -0800 (PST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > - Keep; we have already deployed and changing back would be expensive. On 18 routers.. and every hour that goes by more are being converted, this encapses 4 major clients for me, and some large amounts of time vested in updating these sites to 2.2.6-BETA status to really ring this (The 2.2.6 BETA) code out. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 18:45:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24780 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:45:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from const. (algae10.verinet.com [199.45.181.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA24775 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:45:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from allenc@verinet.com) Received: (from allenc@localhost) by const. (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14410; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:44:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from allenc) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:44:16 -0700 (MST) From: allen campbell Message-Id: <199803180244.TAA14410@const.> To: mburgett@awen.com, rkw@dataplex.net Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > At the present time, no one has told me, much less automated, a > reasonable way to do this for all the existing cases. There is no reasonable way to automate it; this isn't a 'plug-and-pray' operating system. Leave that to Microsoft. Earlier I advocated the inclusion of a function to warn the user of potential problems with their existing fstab. I understand the need to avoid ad-hoc changes that deviate from the norm and I realize that there appears to be no 'clean' way to warn and instruct the user as to how this is resolved. It doesn't help that informed, experienced administrators are repelled by such an idea. However, if the desire to avoid such arbitrary warts is allowed to prevent it, then the non-stop onslaught of 'HELP ME!!!' posts you will savor as a direct result of this for at least the next year can only be characterized as well deserved. You have the chance to avoid this now. Compromise and put it in. Life is short. I would suggest that the install target in the kernel Makefile might be the best place for this. Detect the obsolete fstab, emit a warning and direct the operator to read the appropriate documentation. Ignoring such a warning is unforgivable pilot error. Allen Campbell allenc@verinet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 19:27:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA28568 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:27:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jupiter.one-mo.com (ppp-207-215-85-185.scrm01.pacbell.net [207.215.85.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA28563 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:27:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oski@pacbell.net) Received: from pacbell.net ([192.168.2.1]) by jupiter.one-mo.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 323; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:23:08 -0800 Message-ID: <350F3E2C.4E32E439@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:23:24 -0800 From: Michael Oski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mburgett@awen.com, rkw@dataplex.net CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change References: <199803180244.TAA14410@const.> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk One more vote for leaving it in!!!

I was new to unix when I first installed FreeBSD 2.1.5 when it was first released. It only took about 2 months to learn that searching these mailing lists and reading other available info was *required* when tracking -STABLE.

IMHO anyone planning on upgrading ***ANY*** operating system should look before leaping - or suffer whatever extra work which results. This is a work-in-progress OS, it's user's need to be able to adapt to changes such as this. 

Of course, one can always use stale-redmondian crap while awaiting Windows2000 ;-)
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  To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 20:01:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01104 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:01:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bogslab.ucdavis.edu (root@bogslab.ucdavis.edu [128.120.162.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01099 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:01:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from greg@bogslab.ucdavis.edu) Received: from myrtle1.bogs.org (root@myrtle1.bogs.org [198.137.203.39]) by bogslab.ucdavis.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16505 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:01:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from myrtle1.bogs.org (greg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by myrtle1.bogs.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA03313 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:59:16 -0800 Message-Id: <199803180359.TAA03313@myrtle1.bogs.org> To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:44:16 MST." <199803180244.TAA14410@const.> Reply-To: gkshenaut@ucdavis.edu Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:58:53 -0800 From: Greg Shenaut Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message <199803180244.TAA14410@const.>, allen campbell cleopede: >I would suggest that the install target in the kernel Makefile >might be the best place for this. Detect the obsolete fstab, emit >a warning and direct the operator to read the appropriate >documentation. Ignoring such a warning is unforgivable pilot error. Sounds good, but it should be someplace besides the "install" target, for ignoramuses like me who install via "cp kernel /". -Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 20:12:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA02099 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:12:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gordius.gordian.com (gordius.gordian.com [192.73.220.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02093 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:12:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@gordian.com) Received: from delphi.gordian.com (delphi.gordian.com [192.73.220.125]) by gordius.gordian.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA21437 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:12:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from gordian.com (zelda [207.211.233.199]) by delphi.gordian.com (8.7.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA17487 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:12:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <350F49B3.44889CAD@gordian.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:12:35 -0800 From: Steve Khoo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Problem with linux lkm on 2.2.6-BETA cvsup'd 3-16-98 22:23 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk This is on 2.2.6-BETA cvsup'd approximately at 3-16-98 22:23 PST. Any idea what might be causing this? # linux /lkm/linux_mod.o: Undefined symbol `_otruncate' referenced from text segment /lkm/linux_mod.o: Undefined symbol `_oaccept' referenced from text segment /lkm/linux_mod.o: Undefined symbol `_ogetsockname' referenced from text segment /lkm/linux_mod.o: Undefined symbol `_ogetpeername' referenced from text segment /lkm/linux_mod.o: Undefined symbol `_osend' referenced from text segment /lkm/linux_mod.o: Undefined symbol `_orecv' referenced from text segment /lkm/linux_mod.o: Undefined symbol `_orecvfrom' referenced from text segment /lkm/linux_mod.o: Undefined symbol `_osethostname' referenced from data segment /lkm/linux_mod.o: Undefined symbol `_osetrlimit' referenced from data segment /lkm/linux_mod.o: Undefined symbol `_ogetrlimit' referenced from data segment /lkm/linux_mod.o: Undefined symbol `_ostat' referenced from data segment /lkm/linux_mod.o: Undefined symbol `_oftruncate' referenced from data segment modload: /usr/bin/ld: return code 1 # To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 22:28:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14219 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:28:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gordius.gordian.com (gordius.gordian.com [192.73.220.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA14206 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:28:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@gordian.com) Received: from delphi.gordian.com (delphi.gordian.com [192.73.220.125]) by gordius.gordian.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA21753; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:28:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from gordian.com (zelda [207.211.233.199]) by delphi.gordian.com (8.7.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA22505; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:28:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <350F6997.A01E73FB@gordian.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:28:39 -0800 From: Steve Khoo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change References: <199803161333.FAA14802@dingo.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Keep; we have already deployed and changing back would be expensive. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 22:33:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14875 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:33:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sunasci.informador.com.mx (sunasci.informador.com.mx [200.34.234.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA14868 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:33:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from felipe@informador.com.mx) Received: from localhost (felipe@localhost) by sunasci.informador.com.mx (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA08291 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:22:44 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:22:39 -0600 (CST) From: Felipe Rivera Marquez To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Redirect from questions:Specified device does not match mounted device Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi there I asked this in freebsd-questions and somebody answered me a little upset saying that the issue i discusse bellow is old subject here... but i searched stable, bugs and questions mailing lists through www.freebsd.org before i sent my question to questions and didn't find any references.. even the GNATS.. so here it is: I'm using 2.2.5-STABLE with a kernel recompiled until the F00F bug from the stable source tree. I received days ago the report about the VM bug in the kernel, so i pulled the latest src/sys tree with cvsup and then made the steps for kernel recompiling with the same configuration file than before. I installed it and rebooted but when the server tried to mount the root device, mount complained: /dev/sd0d on /:Specified device does not match mounted device. Filesystem mount failed, startup aborted Then it asked for the path shell or RETURN for sh.... well you notice some weirdeness about my root device :) well... i made a mistake defining the partition for the root device and i notice that late, while changing the system to a SCSI disk from an IDE. What i did to boot without typing (sd0,d)kernel everytime from the boot: prompt was to change src/sys/boot/biosboot/boot.c and made 'd' the default bootable partition... i don't think this has something to do with my problem since it boots fine (kernel.old still works) and the new kernel boots all the way until it tries to mount / Now.. when I enter the shell and type mount it shows me this: root_device on / (local,read-only) Well.. then i recompiled src/sbin/mount and installed it.. but the problem didn't fixed Any ideas???? Mmmm. maybe i have to rewrite the boot code on the disk????? Thanx :) Felipe Rivera M. felipe@informador.com.mx To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 22:36:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA15471 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:36:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jupiter.one-mo.com (ppp-207-215-86-235.scrm01.pacbell.net [207.215.86.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15461 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:36:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oski@pacbell.net) Received: from pacbell.net ([192.168.2.1]) by jupiter.one-mo.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 279; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:32:18 -0800 Message-ID: <350F6A80.ADFF653E@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:32:32 -0800 From: Michael Oski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mburgett@awen.com, rkw@dataplex.net CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change References: <199803180244.TAA14410@const.> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C96BF646E450AADDFD5CBC09" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk --------------C96BF646E450AADDFD5CBC09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Resend due to formatting error] One more vote for leaving it in!!! I was new to unix when I first installed FreeBSD 2.1.5 when it was first released. It only took about 2 months to learn that searching these mailing lists and reading other available info was *required* when tracking -STABLE. IMHO anyone planning on upgrading ***ANY*** operating system should look before leaping - or suffer whatever extra work which results. This is a work-in-progress OS, it's user's need to be able to adapt to changes such as this. Of course, one can always use stale-redmondian crap while awaiting Windows2000 ;-) -- ============================================= Michael. _______________ \\\\\|/ / \ | @ @ | | Did I say that? | ( (_) .) /\_______________/ \ o / __/ \_/ --------------C96BF646E450AADDFD5CBC09 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Resend due to formatting error]

One more vote for leaving it in!!!

I was new to unix when I first installed FreeBSD 2.1.5 when it was first released. It only took about 2 months to learn that searching these mailing lists and reading other available info was *required* when tracking -STABLE.

IMHO anyone planning on upgrading ***ANY*** operating system should look before leaping - or suffer whatever extra work which results. This is a work-in-progress OS, it's user's need to be able to adapt to changes such as this. 

Of course, one can always use stale-redmondian crap while awaiting Windows2000 ;-)
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    --------------C96BF646E450AADDFD5CBC09-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 22:37:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA15564 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:37:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jumping-spider.aracnet.com (root@jumping-spider.aracnet.com [205.159.88.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15470 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:36:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from whinson@aracnet.com) Received: from ann (ppp-c33.aracnet.com [209.95.34.160]) by jumping-spider.aracnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA28402 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:36:34 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980317223900.007e6210@mail.aracnet.com> X-Sender: whinson@mail.aracnet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:39:00 -0800 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Wally Hinson Subject: Off-by-one bug Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk After watching all the discussion about the new slice code for the last week or so, I decided to go ahead and see what happened to my system when I upgraded...it went fine; I grabbed the latest sources (-current as of 3-15-98), made the world, built a new kernel, and rebooted -- mount told me to update my fstab, I did so, and everything was fine when I rebooted again. However, both times, the system announced that it was changing the root device to wd0s2a, which is wrong -- FreeBSD owns the entire disk; if the new code wants to view it as sliced anyway, that's fine, but it should get the slice number right, and realize that the root device is wd0s1a, not wd0s2a. I remember seeing this off-by-one bug mentioned early on in the talk about the new code, and was a little surprised to see it still there...I know this is a minor nit to be picking, but it also seems like a fairly simple thing to fix before release, and doing so might eliminate one more potential source of confusion for people encountering the new slice code for the first time. Just my $0.02... Wally Hinson whinson@aracnet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 23:00:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA18154 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:00:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.2.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA18140 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:00:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chad@freebie.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.7/8.8.3a) id AAA22520; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:00:01 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199803180700.AAA22520@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Off-by-one bug To: whinson@aracnet.com (Wally Hinson) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:00:00 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980317223900.007e6210@mail.aracnet.com> from Wally Hinson at "Mar 17, 98 10:39:00 pm" Reply-to: chad@dcfinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I remember seeing this off-by-one bug mentioned early on in the talk > about the new code, and was a little surprised to see it still > there...I know this is a minor nit to be picking, but it also seems > like a fairly simple thing to fix before release, and doing so might > eliminate one more potential source of confusion for people > encountering the new slice code for the first time. > > Just my $0.02... My nickle: The guy responsible for the code acknowledged the problem and said, "Ignore it for now." Then he said, [paraphrasing from memory] "It'll persist for a while. I understand the problem, but the fix is not trivial." -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-953-1392 chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 23:56:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA22575 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:56:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA22535 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:55:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA00587; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:45:01 GMT (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199803180745.HAA00587@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: "Nate Williams" cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , brian@Awfulhak.org, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On-demand dynamic PPP not doing default route correctly In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Mar 1998 04:36:37 MST." <199803171136.EAA01092@nomad.mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:45:00 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > In short, I think this is it. (Sorry Brian, but it appears that LQR is > still broken from my experience, at least in the version in -stable as > of late last week.) > > In summary, it appears that all of my problems are solved. :) The fixes went in on the 12th (lqr.c 1.2[34]). Is your version before or after that ? If it's after, can you send me an LQM report of the last 3 or 4 LQR packets ? Thanks. > Nate -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 23:56:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA22666 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:56:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA22650 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:56:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA00550; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:37:24 GMT (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199803180737.HAA00550@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: "Nate Williams" cc: Brian Somers , Stephen Wynne , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On-demand dynamic PPP not doing default route correctly In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:43:25 MST." <199803170943.CAA00552@nomad.mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:37:24 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > Hmm, that seemed to do the 'routing' trick for sure. *MUCH* better than > > > having to futz with the routing. However, I don't know what's happening > > > with the link getting all balled up, since I'm not sure whose fault it > > > is. > > > > The rationale behind the ppp.linkup bit is that ppp doesn't know > > where your default route should point 'till it negotiates an IP with > > the other side. > > So why doesn't it wait to se the default route until after it knows the > other side? It seems silly to set something that you know ahead of time > is bous. Because in -auto mode, we need a default route through tun interface so that we can `detect traffic'. I think the argument is that ppp should cache all the add/delete options and apply them everytime the interface IP is changed. I'm considering doing this in the MP version.... > The ``add default HISADDR'' will do this. Ppp > > doesn't cache these ``add'' and ``delete'' commands and re-apply them > > when the interface addresses change (which I believe pppd does with > > the ``defaultroute'' config option). Therefore, the ppp.linkup file > > must have them. > > IMHO, routing shouldn't be necessary in ppp.linkup. What previously > only required editing one file now requires editing two, thus > increasing the complexity (un-necessarily). Ppp always behaved this way. It was always necessary to ``add 0 0 HISADDR'' after the link comes up with a dynamic IP. But I agree, it's not the intuitive way. Routing errors and failures used to be logged to the TCP/IP log - nobody ever got to see them. The only thing that has changed in this area is that -ddial and -dedicated modes don't configure the interface when they read the `set ifaddr' line - only -auto mode does this (as it always has). > > > Thanks alot for the routing information. It's certainly made life > > > easier for me! > > > > As far as the link jamming is concerned, lqr and ECHO lqr now works > > properly (well, for me anyway). While re-organising it in the MP > > branch, I discovered what the problem has been all these years :-) > > > > You may want to > > > > enable lqr > > set log +lqm > > OK. What am I looking for? If the peer agrees LQR, enable the lqm logging (below). You'll see loads of numbers come back. RFC 1333 (at the bottom of page 12) describes all the things you can deduce from this info. At some stage I'll get ppp to make some calculations and be a bit more friendly in its reporting. If the peer denies LQR, ppp sends ECHO LQR packets instead. These do not need to be negotiated and are essentially pings - more than 5 without a reply means a disconnect. > > or if you're in interactive mode (or on a diagnostic socket) > > > > set log local +lqm > > > > You should see if the other side is silently drifting into oblivion. > > It's also worth doing the occasional ``show hdlc'' to see if you're > > getting FCS errors - lots of them may mean you've got a login: prompt > > at the other end :-( > > > The link shouldn't ever work if I'm seeing a login prompt. My problem I was thinking along the lines of the ISPs ppp giving up and spawning a getty without dropping the link. > is that it works for 15-60 messages (using fetchmail) then jams. > However, this morning it jammed doing downloads, so I can now say that > it appears to jam with about anything, but randomly. > > (It jammped 3 times in the 4 minutes I took to answer this.) Sounds wonderful :-( My ISP does this all the time for one of the phone numbers they publish, *and* they refuse LQR. The other phone number works fine. I'm not ruling out the fact that there may be some obscure problem with ppp - but when this happens for me, the peer just starts to slow down and die. Sometimes it'll wake up again - giving me ping turnarounds of more than 60 seconds... They (my ISP) won't talk to me about it (and I'm changing ISPs at the moment). > Nate -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 17 23:56:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA22680 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:56:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA22657 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:56:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA00573; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:41:24 GMT (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199803180741.HAA00573@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Eivind Eklund cc: Nate Williams , Brian Somers , Stephen Wynne , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On-demand dynamic PPP not doing default route correctly In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:49:24 +0100." <19980317114924.43713@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:41:23 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > On Tue, Mar 17, 1998 at 02:43:25AM -0700, Nate Williams wrote: > > > > Hmm, that seemed to do the 'routing' trick for sure. *MUCH* better than > > > > having to futz with the routing. However, I don't know what's happening > > > > with the link getting all balled up, since I'm not sure whose fault it > > > > is. > > > > > > The rationale behind the ppp.linkup bit is that ppp doesn't know > > > where your default route should point 'till it negotiates an IP with > > > the other side. > > > > So why doesn't it wait to se the default route until after it knows the > > other side? It seems silly to set something that you know ahead of time > > is bous. > > Cause otherwise it won't get the packets to start it dialling, and it > doesn't get any new default route. Catch 22. > > I like to use an interface route for the dial-on-demand case, but that > only work satisfactory when you are not doing FTP or other > address-encoding protocols locally from that box, and you _are_ using > aliasing. > > I can go into the details for the above if there is interest; I've > already described my code to Brian (and offered him a copy of the > code, IIRC). I didn't know you had anything working in this area. I added the interface route capability to ppp (add default INTERFACE) but you still need to configure the interface before using that route. The only way to defeat this problem is with libalias support - it's still on my list of things to do. > Eivind. -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 18 00:16:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA26039 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:16:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA26033 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:16:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA02762; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:16:04 GMT (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199803180816.IAA02762@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: "Nate Williams" cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , brian@Awfulhak.org, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On-demand dynamic PPP not doing default route correctly In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Mar 1998 04:36:37 MST." <199803171136.EAA01092@nomad.mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:16:03 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > > problem, but if I use Win95 PPP it *NEVER* locks up. I have TCP > > > > extensions turned off if that makes any difference. (It also seems to > > > > be related to the use of fetchmail if that gives anyone any ideas.) > > > Try diabling LQR, ie > > > disable lqr > > > deny lqr > > > > I had deny lqr, but not disable lqr. I'll try that and see if it helps. > > Things are looking *MUCH* better at this point. I disabled lqr, and now > I've went 15 minutes w/out a lockup/hang. > > In short, I think this is it. (Sorry Brian, but it appears that LQR is > still broken from my experience, at least in the version in -stable as > of late last week.) > > In summary, it appears that all of my problems are solved. :) Thinking about this, you must not be running a recent ppp - ppp disables lqr by default, so the above change would not have change ppps behaviour at all. What does `show version' say ? > Nate -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 18 01:48:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA11551 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:48:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomad.mt.sri.com (ppp47-max01.twics.com [202.237.149.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA11425 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:47:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.mt.sri.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA00499; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:47:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:47:46 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803180947.CAA00499@nomad.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Nate Williams" Cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , brian@awfulhak.org, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On-demand dynamic PPP not doing default route correctly In-Reply-To: <199803171136.EAA01092@nomad.mt.sri.com> References: <199803161021.DAA01019@nomad.mt.sri.com> <199803170338.OAA04889@cain.gsoft.com.au> <199803170949.CAA00845@nomad.mt.sri.com> <199803171136.EAA01092@nomad.mt.sri.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "Nate Williams" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > > problem, but if I use Win95 PPP it *NEVER* locks up. I have TCP > > > > extensions turned off if that makes any difference. (It also seems to > > > > be related to the use of fetchmail if that gives anyone any ideas.) > > > Try diabling LQR, ie > > > disable lqr > > > deny lqr > > > > I had deny lqr, but not disable lqr. I'll try that and see if it helps. > > Things are looking *MUCH* better at this point. I disabled lqr, and now > I've went 15 minutes w/out a lockup/hang. > > In short, I think this is it. (Sorry Brian, but it appears that LQR is > still broken from my experience, at least in the version in -stable as > of late last week.) Hmm, I'm now getting consistant lockups, so that wasn't it. I've enabled LQR/logging to see if that helps. What am I looking for? Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 18 01:58:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA16782 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:58:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomad.mt.sri.com (ppp46-max01.twics.com [202.237.149.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA16658 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:58:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.mt.sri.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA00718; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:58:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:58:26 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803180958.CAA00718@nomad.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Brian Somers Cc: "Nate Williams" , Stephen Wynne , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On-demand dynamic PPP not doing default route correctly In-Reply-To: <199803180737.HAA00550@awfulhak.org> References: <199803170943.CAA00552@nomad.mt.sri.com> <199803180737.HAA00550@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "Nate Williams" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > So why doesn't it wait to se the default route until after it knows the > > other side? It seems silly to set something that you know ahead of time > > is bous. > > Because in -auto mode, we need a default route through tun interface > so that we can `detect traffic'. I understand this. > I think the argument is that ppp should cache all the add/delete > options and apply them everytime the interface IP is changed. I'm > considering doing this in the MP version.... Great. > > > enable lqr > > > set log +lqm > > > > OK. What am I looking for? > > If the peer agrees LQR, enable the lqm logging (below). You'll see > loads of numbers come back. OK, here is the tail end of what I got just before the link died. Mar 18 02:48:49 nomad ppp[362]: tun0: LQM: Magic: 33e3a88b LastOutL QRs: 00000000 Mar 18 02:48:49 nomad ppp[362]: tun0: LQM: LastOutPackets: 00000000 LastOutO ctets: 00000000 Mar 18 02:48:49 nomad ppp[362]: tun0: LQM: PeerInLQRs: 00000000 PeerInPa ckets: 00000170 Mar 18 02:48:49 nomad ppp[362]: tun0: LQM: PeerInDiscards: 00000000 PeerInEr rors: 00000000 Mar 18 02:48:49 nomad ppp[362]: tun0: LQM: PeerInOctets: 0003a89d PeerOutL QRs: 00000006 Mar 18 02:48:49 nomad ppp[362]: tun0: LQM: PeerOutPackets: 000001cb PeerOutO ctets: 000045d5 Mar 18 02:49:19 nomad ppp[362]: tun0: Phase: ** 1 Too many ECHO packets are lost . ** Mar 18 02:49:19 nomad ppp[362]: tun0: Phase: NewPhase: Terminate Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 18 02:04:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA20044 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:04:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomad.mt.sri.com (ppp43-max02.twics.com [202.237.149.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA20006 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:04:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.mt.sri.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA00780; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 03:04:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 03:04:07 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803181004.DAA00780@nomad.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Brian Somers Cc: "Nate Williams" , "Daniel O'Connor" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On-demand dynamic PPP not doing default route correctly In-Reply-To: <199803180745.HAA00587@awfulhak.org> References: <199803171136.EAA01092@nomad.mt.sri.com> <199803180745.HAA00587@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "Nate Williams" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > In short, I think this is it. (Sorry Brian, but it appears that LQR is > > still broken from my experience, at least in the version in -stable as > > of late last week.) > > > > In summary, it appears that all of my problems are solved. :) > > The fixes went in on the 12th (lqr.c 1.2[34]). Is your version > before or after that ? * $Id: lqr.c,v 1.7.2.9 1998/01/26 20:04:55 brian Exp $ (Don't have a CVS tree to look at to see if that's really old enough.) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 18 02:06:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA20906 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:06:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomad.mt.sri.com (ppp32-max01.twics.com [202.237.149.159]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA20852 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:06:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.mt.sri.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA00808; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 03:05:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 03:05:56 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803181005.DAA00808@nomad.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Brian Somers Cc: "Nate Williams" , "Daniel O'Connor" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On-demand dynamic PPP not doing default route correctly In-Reply-To: <199803180816.IAA02762@awfulhak.org> References: <199803171136.EAA01092@nomad.mt.sri.com> <199803180816.IAA02762@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "Nate Williams" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > ppps behaviour at all. What does `show version' say ? char VarVersion[] = "PPP Version 1.65"; Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 18 02:13:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA24723 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:13:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from omega.noc.easynet.net (omega.noc.easynet.net [195.40.1.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA24553 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:13:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matts@omega.noc.easynet.net) Received: (qmail 23427 invoked by uid 1975); 18 Mar 1998 10:13:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19980318101327.23426.qmail@omega.noc.easynet.net> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:13:27 +0000 From: Matt Saunders To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Call for opinion re: root device naming change References: <199803180244.TAA14410@const.> <350F6A80.ADFF653E@pacbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.90.9 (FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA i386) In-Reply-To: <350F6A80.ADFF653E@pacbell.net>; from Michael Oski on Tue, Mar 17, 1998 at 10:32:32PM -0800 Organization: Easynet Group plc Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mar 18, Michael Oski wrote: > [Resend due to formatting error] > > One more vote for leaving it in!!! > > I was new to unix when I first installed FreeBSD 2.1.5 when it was first > released. It only took about 2 months to learn that searching these > mailing lists and reading other available info was *required* when > tracking -STABLE. > > IMHO anyone planning on upgrading ***ANY*** operating system should look > before leaping - or suffer whatever extra work which results. This is a > work-in-progress OS, it's user's need to be able to adapt to changes > such as this. The change is already in (and I was "bitten" by it). Taking it out again just means it has to go back in again at a later date and all the heartache happens again. I say keep it. The "tracking STABLE" section of the handbook is very careful to point out that reading this list is important if you want to track stable. But it contradicts that in some ways with "If you are a commercial user or someone who puts maximum stability of their FreeBSD system before all other concerns, you should consider tracking stable" - which kind of implies that STABLE contains only bugfixes over RELEASE and won't break existing setups. I think maybe purpose of STABLE needs to be clarified a little on that page... -- M a t t S a u n d e r s Systems Engineer Easynet Group plc http://www.easynet.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 18 02:17:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA27593 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:17:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (polaris.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA27458 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:17:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jose@we.lc.ehu.es) Received: from we.lc.ehu.es by polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA01669; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:11:41 +0100 Message-ID: <350F9DDC.FB91603@we.lc.ehu.es> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:11:40 +0100 From: "Jose M. Alcaide" Organization: Universidad del País Vasco - Dep. de Electricidad y Electrónica X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: strange message about root device at boot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk First, I must say that I _know_ about the change that affects the naming of the root partition in /etc/fstab. I have just cvsup'd 2.2.6-BETA (3-17-98). After making the world and the new kernel, I rebooted the system verbosely, and I saw the following messages: ahc0: target 0 using 16Bit transfers ahc0: target 0 synchronous at 20.0MHz, offset = 0x8 ahc0: target 0 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc0:0:0): "SEAGATE ST32171W 0484" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 2047MB (4194057 512 byte sectors) sd0(ahc0:0:0): with 5172 cyls, 5 heads, and an average 162 sectors/track ...... blah, blah, blah ....... BIOS Geometries: 0:0104fe3f 0..260=261 cylinders, 0..254=255 heads, 1..63=63 sectors 0 accounted for Device configuration finished. Considering FFS root f/s. changing root device to sd0s2a <<================ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! configure() finished. bpf: lo0 attached sd0s1: type 0xa5, start 0, end = 4194056, size 4194057 sd0s1: C/H/S end 261/17/21 (99035) != end 4194056: invalid The disk has only one slice, and was partitioned by sysinstall the first time I installed FreeBSD (2.2.1) on that machine. The SCSI BIOS (Adaptec) has the "DOS traslation" enabled; this explains the geometry of the disk (255 heads...) reported by the BIOS. But the message that surprises me is "changing root device to sd0s2a". There is no second partition !!!! I have confirmed this using the fdisk command. The last two messages shown by the kernel are also strange. The first one shows the total size correctly calculated, but the second one shows a recalculation based on the BIOS geometry that differs from the real size of the disk (99035 != 4194056). The system seems to work fine, but I'm not happy with those messages. I would like to know what happens. -- JM ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jose M. Alcaide | mailto:jose@we.lc.ehu.es Universidad del Pais Vasco | http://www.we.lc.ehu.es/~jose Dpto. de Electricidad y Electronica | Facultad de Ciencias - Campus de Lejona | Tel.: +34-4-4647700 x2624 48940 Lejona (Vizcaya) - SPAIN | Fax: +34-4-4858139 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Go ahead... make my day." - H. Callahan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 18 03:11:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA13094 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 03:11:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA13088 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 03:11:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (d60-090.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.90]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA04093; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 03:10:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id LAA25083; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:09:56 GMT Message-ID: <19980318030956.07452@nuxi.com> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 03:09:56 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Tom , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: include libc_r in 2.2.6 Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <19980313163134.04622@nuxi.com> <6805.889869800@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <6805.889869800@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 02:03:20AM -0800 X-Warning: Mutt Bites! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE Organization: The NUXI *BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Can this at least be added ("WANT_LIBC_R=false") and documented in > > /etc/make.conf? > > As long as "false" does the obvious thing (and it's not an .if defined(...) > statement in the usage which would obviously cause "false" to be "true") > I have no problems with that. Actually it seems all of our LIB vars are simply ".if defined(XYZ_LIB_VAR)". This includes NOPROFILE. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 18 03:14:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA13432 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 03:14:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uranus.planet-three.com (homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA13386 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 03:14:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scot@poptart.org) Received: from Jupiter.internal.planet-three.com (host5-99-43-114.btinternet.com [195.99.43.114]) by uranus.planet-three.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13567 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:13:53 GMT Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by Jupiter.internal.planet-three.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA00439 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:13:48 GMT (envelope-from scot@internal.planet-three.com) X-Authentication-Warning: Jupiter.internal.planet-three.com: scot owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:13:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Scot Elliott To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: strange message about root device at boot In-Reply-To: <350F9DDC.FB91603@we.lc.ehu.es> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I keep getting this too, but on a machine with IDE. The slice numbers don't make sense. Scot. On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Jose M. Alcaide wrote: > I have just cvsup'd 2.2.6-BETA (3-17-98). After making the world > and the new kernel, I rebooted the system verbosely, and I > saw the following messages: > > ahc0: target 0 using 16Bit transfers > ahc0: target 0 synchronous at 20.0MHz, offset = 0x8 > ahc0: target 0 Tagged Queuing Device > (ahc0:0:0): "SEAGATE ST32171W 0484" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 > sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 2047MB (4194057 512 byte sectors) > sd0(ahc0:0:0): with 5172 cyls, 5 heads, and an average 162 sectors/track > ...... blah, blah, blah ....... > BIOS Geometries: > 0:0104fe3f 0..260=261 cylinders, 0..254=255 heads, 1..63=63 sectors > 0 accounted for > Device configuration finished. > Considering FFS root f/s. > changing root device to sd0s2a <<================ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > configure() finished. > bpf: lo0 attached > sd0s1: type 0xa5, start 0, end = 4194056, size 4194057 > sd0s1: C/H/S end 261/17/21 (99035) != end 4194056: invalid > > The disk has only one slice, and was partitioned by sysinstall > the first time I installed FreeBSD (2.2.1) on that machine. > The SCSI BIOS (Adaptec) has the "DOS traslation" enabled; this > explains the geometry of the disk (255 heads...) reported by the BIOS. > But the message that surprises me is "changing root device to > sd0s2a". There is no second partition !!!! I have confirmed this > using the fdisk command. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 18 04:25:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA23412 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 04:25:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA23402 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 04:25:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (d60-090.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.90]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id EAA04350 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 04:25:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id MAA25626; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:25:10 GMT Message-ID: <19980318042509.25035@nuxi.com> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 04:25:09 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: /usr/libexec/login_