From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 04:59:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA11107 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 04:59:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roguetrader.com (cold.org [206.81.134.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA11101 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 04:59:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@roguetrader.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by roguetrader.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA24158; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 06:00:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 06:00:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199804051200.GAA24158@roguetrader.com> Subject: ERRATA NOTICE: FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE From: freebsd-errata-update@roguetrader.com To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk ****************************************************************** ** THIS IS AN AUTOMATIC ERRATA UPDATE FOR FREEBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE ** ****************************************************************** You can retrieve the complete ERRATA from: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.2.6-RELEASE/ERRATA.TXT The last update was sent: Tue Mar 24 20:29:25 1998 This update is sent: Sun Apr 5 06:00:04 1998 ------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- SYSTEM ERRATA INFORMATION: o The ppp program fails to work, citing a missing shared library called "libdes.so.3.0". Fix: There are two possible fixes: The first and easiest fix is to simply install the des distribution with /stand/sysinstall, remembering to pick a site that will allow you to export it if you're outside the United States and Canada (ftp.freebsd.org and ftp.internat.freebsd.org both fall into this category). The second fix, which doesn't involve having to fetch DES bits, is to install the ppp sources in /usr/src/usr.sbin/ppp and rebuild them. The sources are "smart" enough to know that the DES library isn't on the system and won't create a binary which depends on it. Note: If you choose the latter fix, you also will not be able to use MSCHAP (Microsoft Win*) style authentication. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 09:13:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04322 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:13:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04313; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:13:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id SAA27150; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:13:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:13:06 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? References: Your message of "Wed, 01 Apr 1998 07:05:10 -0000." <199804010705.AAA17595@usr02.primenet.com> <199804012207.OAA01425@kithrup.com> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 05 Apr 1998 18:13:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: Sean Eric Fagan's message of "Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:07:31 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Sean Eric Fagan writes: > In article <657.891465523.kithrup.freebsd.current@critter.freebsd.dk> you write: > >The problem is, the kernel cannot account for the twohundred som Mbyte > >of swap space it claims is in use. Even if I kill all processes the > >number doesn't decrease significantly :-( > There is something wrong with -stable. I reported this to John about a month > ago, maybe two (I forget exactly). See the FreeBSD FAQ, section 12.1. I have seen better explanations than the one in the FAQ, but the main thing is: don't worry. It's completely normal for FreeBSD to report lots of swap in use after a while. It's simply a *lot* faster to keep already-linked executables in memory (and move them into swap when memory goes full) rather than throwing them out and having to reload and relink them next time they are invoked, as long as they haven't changed in the meantime. David, I hope my explanation is not too far off? -- fprintf(stderr, "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out.\n"); To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 09:15:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04853 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:15:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04767; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:15:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id SAA27286; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:15:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:15:16 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "John S. Dyson" Cc: dg@root.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? References: <199804030722.CAA13321@dyson.iquest.net> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 05 Apr 1998 18:15:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: "John S. Dyson"'s message of "Fri, 3 Apr 1998 02:22:05 -0500 (EST)" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk "John S. Dyson" writes: > Chiming in on DG: which would you want: 1) a bunch of initialization code > or data for a bunch of processes. 2) cache space for data that will be > more often used? > > We chose (2) as the correct strategy. If you choose (1) and want to keep > the from now-on unused initialization code in memory forever, I simply cannot > understand or agree. Amen, brother. BTW, I recently converted a friend from Linux to FreeBSD. He reported that performance had *doubled* after the switch... Keep it up :) -- fprintf(stderr, "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out.\n"); To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 09:20:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06183 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:20:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06110 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:20:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id SAA27551; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:20:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:20:01 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Niklas Saers Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MSDOSFS References: Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 05 Apr 1998 18:20:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: Niklas Saers's message of "Sun, 29 Mar 1998 13:08:35 +0200 (CEST)" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Niklas Saers writes: > Hi. I was just wondering... last night I mounted a MS-DOS floppy, which > had some bad tracks on it. Because of this, I was no longer able to > access, not even umount the floppy. But, what was worse, was that both my > two harddisk-partitions which were mounted as msdosfs became just as > unavaible as the floppy. Why does the entire filesystem go down with one > minor problem such as the floppy? And how can I avoid this. (except from > using bad floppies, that is :) ) Don't mount floppies, use mtools instead. -- fprintf(stderr, "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out.\n"); To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 09:34:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07847 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:34:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07738; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:34:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07868; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:33:54 +0200 (CEST) To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? In-reply-to: Your message of "05 Apr 1998 18:13:06 +0200." Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:33:54 +0200 Message-ID: <7866.891794034@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message , Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= writes: >Sean Eric Fagan writes: >> In article <657.891465523.kithrup.freebsd.current@critter.freebsd.dk> you w >rite: >> >The problem is, the kernel cannot account for the twohundred som Mbyte >> >of swap space it claims is in use. Even if I kill all processes the >> >number doesn't decrease significantly :-( >> There is something wrong with -stable. I reported this to John about a mon >th >> ago, maybe two (I forget exactly). > >See the FreeBSD FAQ, section 12.1. I have seen better explanations >than the one in the FAQ, but the main thing is: don't worry. It's >completely normal for FreeBSD to report lots of swap in use after a >while. It's simply a *lot* faster to keep already-linked executables >in memory (and move them into swap when memory goes full) rather than >throwing them out and having to reload and relink them next time they >are invoked, as long as they haven't changed in the meantime. > >David, I hope my explanation is not too far off? It is, for that case the kernel >can< account for the swap used when you look in the various and sundry reports available, in this case it doesn't seem to be able to tell you where it has gone. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "Drink MONO-tonic, it goes down but it will NEVER come back up!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 11:31:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21117 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:31:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21107 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:31:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA26382; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:30:41 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199804051830.TAA26382@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: freebsd-errata-update@roguetrader.com cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ERRATA NOTICE: FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 05 Apr 1998 06:00:04 MDT." <199804051200.GAA24158@roguetrader.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 19:30:40 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk [.....] > o The ppp program fails to work, citing a missing shared library > called "libdes.so.3.0". [.....] Oh wonderful ! -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 13:23:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04475 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:23:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04423; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:23:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11264; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:22:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804052022.NAA11264@implode.root.com> To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? In-reply-to: Your message of "05 Apr 1998 18:13:06 +0200." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 13:22:34 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >while. It's simply a *lot* faster to keep already-linked executables >in memory (and move them into swap when memory goes full) rather than >throwing them out and having to reload and relink them next time they >are invoked, as long as they haven't changed in the meantime. > >David, I hope my explanation is not too far off? Actually, it's not that the system has to do any re-linking. The reason that swap space is consumed even when you have plenty of memory is that the system also tries to cache regular file data, so freeing up memory for that by moving modified but not recently used process pages to swap is usually a good thing. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 14:18:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13012 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:18:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp.northlink.com (root@prescott.northlink.com [209.75.160.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13003 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:18:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unixsa@smtp.northlink.com) Received: from Emry (pm1-13.northlink.com [209.75.160.77]) by smtp.northlink.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19080 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:17:58 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199804052117.OAA19080@smtp.northlink.com> From: unixsa@northlink.com To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:14:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Remove me from your list Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Please remove me from your list. Wilton Hughes 520-776-8272 3682 Estate Drive Prescott, Arizona 86303-7523 Wilton Hughes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 14:26:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16048 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:26:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.frihet.com (root@frihet.bayarea.net [205.219.92.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16015; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:25:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tweten@ns.frihet.com) Received: from ns.frihet.com (tweten@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.frihet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02501; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:25:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tweten@ns.frihet.com) Message-Id: <199804052125.OAA02501@ns.frihet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Joe "Marcus" Clarke" Cc: ports@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.6, utmp, wtmp, and xterm From: "David E. Tweten" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 14:25:52 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk marcus@miami.edu said: >I noticed the same problem. I even recompiled XFree86-3.3.2. Thanks for the information. It's good to know I am not alone. Incidently my entire system (short of Netscape and the like) is compiled locally. >Eterm seems to be affected as well. That would be symptomatic of a problem in 2.2.6-stable, not in the XFree86 3.3.2 version of xterm. If so, rlogind should have the same problem. It doesn't. Strange. -- David E. Tweten | 2047-bit PGP fingerprint: | tweten@frihet.com 12141 Atrium Drive | E9 59 E7 5C 6B 88 B8 90 | tweten@and.com Saratoga, CA 95070-3162 | 65 30 2A A4 A0 BC 49 AE | (408) 446-4131 Those who make good products sell products; those who don't, sell solutions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 14:28:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16806 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:28:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kersur.net (root@mail.kersur.net [199.79.199.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16273; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:27:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dswartz@druber.com) Received: from manticore (manticore.druber.com [207.180.95.108]) by mail.kersur.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA11866; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980405172640.00915e30@mail.kersur.net> X-Sender: druber@mail.kersur.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 17:26:40 -0400 To: dg@root.com From: Dan Swartzendruber Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? Cc: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ), stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199804052022.NAA11264@implode.root.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 01:22 PM 4/5/98 -0700, David Greenman wrote: >>while. It's simply a *lot* faster to keep already-linked executables >>in memory (and move them into swap when memory goes full) rather than >>throwing them out and having to reload and relink them next time they >>are invoked, as long as they haven't changed in the meantime. >> >>David, I hope my explanation is not too far off? > > Actually, it's not that the system has to do any re-linking. The reason >that swap space is consumed even when you have plenty of memory is that the >system also tries to cache regular file data, so freeing up memory for that >by moving modified but not recently used process pages to swap is usually a >good thing. My only quibble with this technique is that it would seem to make it harder to tell if your machine is really running low on swap or not (e.g. swap as backing store for stack/heap/whatever *is* critical and allocation failure can cause application failure, whereas swap being used to cache random cruft is in the "who really cares" department). Or is there some way to tell the difference? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 14:36:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19931 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:36:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19856; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:36:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00680; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:35:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199804052135.QAA00680@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980405172640.00915e30@mail.kersur.net> from Dan Swartzendruber at "Apr 5, 98 05:26:40 pm" To: dswartz@druber.com (Dan Swartzendruber) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:35:53 -0500 (EST) Cc: dg@root.com, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Dan Swartzendruber said: > > My only quibble with this technique is that it would seem to make it > harder to tell if your machine is really running low on swap or not > (e.g. swap as backing store for stack/heap/whatever *is* critical and > allocation failure can cause application failure, whereas swap being > used to cache random cruft is in the "who really cares" department). > Or is there some way to tell the difference? > It is difficult not only to tell if you are low on swap, but also it is hard to quantify being low on memory. I have been thinking about this over the last year or so. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 14:50:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23235 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:50:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23222 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:50:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24017; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:49:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Message-ID: <3527FC79.DFD02EC9@san.rr.com> Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 14:49:45 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE-0325 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David E. Tweten" CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.6, utmp, wtmp, and xterm References: <199804050717.XAA01331@ns.frihet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk David E. Tweten wrote: > The presenting symptom is who(1) lists pseudo-terminals as active that are > long since gone. I populate most xterms with a login shell. It's not exactly a solution but I start all my xterms with the -ut switch and I haven't seen the problems you describe, even with 3.3.2. Good luck, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 15:20:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29158 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 15:20:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kersur.net (root@mail.kersur.net [199.79.199.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29118; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 15:20:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dswartz@druber.com) Received: from manticore (manticore.druber.com [207.180.95.108]) by mail.kersur.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA13467; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980405182046.009137d0@mail.kersur.net> X-Sender: druber@mail.kersur.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:20:46 -0400 To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG From: Dan Swartzendruber Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? Cc: dg@root.com, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199804052135.QAA00680@dyson.iquest.net> References: <3.0.5.32.19980405172640.00915e30@mail.kersur.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 04:35 PM 4/5/98 -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: >Dan Swartzendruber said: >> >> My only quibble with this technique is that it would seem to make it >> harder to tell if your machine is really running low on swap or not >> (e.g. swap as backing store for stack/heap/whatever *is* critical and >> allocation failure can cause application failure, whereas swap being >> used to cache random cruft is in the "who really cares" department). >> Or is there some way to tell the difference? >> >It is difficult not only to tell if you are low on swap, but also it >is hard to quantify being low on memory. I have been thinking about >this over the last year or so. It was actually kind of embarrassing. I convinced a local ISP to start converting their servers from Linux (what I recommended a few years ago when I didn't know different :)) One of the admins (who has some Linux experience) asked me why it was using swap. I gave the canonical reply. He asked the question I just posed. I had no good reply :( To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 15:24:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29851 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 15:24:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kersur.net (root@mail.kersur.net [199.79.199.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29783; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 15:23:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dswartz@druber.com) Received: from manticore (manticore.druber.com [207.180.95.108]) by mail.kersur.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA13523; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980405182346.00926c80@mail.kersur.net> X-Sender: druber@mail.kersur.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:23:46 -0400 To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG From: Dan Swartzendruber Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? Cc: dg@root.com, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199804052135.QAA00680@dyson.iquest.net> References: <3.0.5.32.19980405172640.00915e30@mail.kersur.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 04:35 PM 4/5/98 -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: >Dan Swartzendruber said: >> >> My only quibble with this technique is that it would seem to make it >> harder to tell if your machine is really running low on swap or not >> (e.g. swap as backing store for stack/heap/whatever *is* critical and >> allocation failure can cause application failure, whereas swap being >> used to cache random cruft is in the "who really cares" department). >> Or is there some way to tell the difference? >> >It is difficult not only to tell if you are low on swap, but also it >is hard to quantify being low on memory. I have been thinking about >this over the last year or so. Here's an off-the-cuff idea: since the confusing usage of swap as a caching mechanism is only a performance optimization, how bogus would it be to not report it. Lie. If my workstation has 64MB of swap set up, 8 of which is being used for real backing store, and 12 of which is being used to cache filesystem pages, have swapinfo lie and report only 8MB in use. Possibly add a flag to swapinfo to report both kinds of usage (granted this makes it necessary for track what a given swap block is used for, but...) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 16:09:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA15230 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:09:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14627; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:07:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00506; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:07:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199804052307.SAA00506@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980405182046.009137d0@mail.kersur.net> from Dan Swartzendruber at "Apr 5, 98 06:20:46 pm" To: dswartz@druber.com (Dan Swartzendruber) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:07:31 -0500 (EST) Cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, dg@root.com, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Dan Swartzendruber said: > At 04:35 PM 4/5/98 -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: > >Dan Swartzendruber said: > >> > >> My only quibble with this technique is that it would seem to make it > >> harder to tell if your machine is really running low on swap or not > >> (e.g. swap as backing store for stack/heap/whatever *is* critical and > >> allocation failure can cause application failure, whereas swap being > >> used to cache random cruft is in the "who really cares" department). > >> Or is there some way to tell the difference? > >> > >It is difficult not only to tell if you are low on swap, but also it > >is hard to quantify being low on memory. I have been thinking about > >this over the last year or so. > > It was actually kind of embarrassing. I convinced a local ISP to start > converting their servers from Linux (what I recommended a few years ago > when I didn't know different :)) One of the admins (who has some Linux > experience) asked me why it was using swap. I gave the canonical reply. > He asked the question I just posed. I had no good reply :( > The actual reply is the required size of swap is the sum of the size of all process private memory. I don't account for that anywhere, but might just put together a solution. On my workstation, I run with 1.2GB of available swap space, and anybody can afford that, can't they? (BTW, I seldom use more than 30-40MB, but with the price of disk, who cares?) The needed amount of physical memory is best judged by paging activity, but again, the system doesn't tell you directly. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 16:23:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19357 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:23:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19106; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:22:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id BAA25050; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:22:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:22:46 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: dswartz@druber.com (Dan Swartzendruber), dg@root.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? References: <199804052307.SAA00506@dyson.iquest.net> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 06 Apr 1998 01:22:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: "John S. Dyson"'s message of "Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:07:31 -0500 (EST)" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk "John S. Dyson" writes: > On my workstation, I run with 1.2GB of available swap space, and anybody > can afford that, can't they? (BTW, I seldom use more than 30-40MB, but > with the price of disk, who cares?) I only have 512 MB (out of 9 GB of disk space) but then again I have 128 MB RAM, so I practically never use any swap at all, except possibly while making world. On my laptop, however, I only have 16 MB RAM (should have been 32, but Big Three-Letter Computer Company (tm) screwed up and I'm still waiting for the missing RAM) so swap space gets eaten up PDQ. -- fprintf(stderr, "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out.\n"); To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 17:08:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA26329 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:08:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wankers.net (root@host-32-96-40-98.atl.bellsouth.net [32.96.40.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA26226; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:07:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Received: from localhost (dex@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wankers.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA08237; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:07:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:07:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Dexnation Holodream X-Sender: dex@localhost To: Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, Dan Swartzendruber , dg@root.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id RAA26228 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Well, folks, as was previously mentioned, the way to judge whether you need more ram is your paging (see vmstat(8)), and, if you want to see how much ram is being used, and how, and how much swap is being used, etc see top(1). both will provide you with real-time figures, and you can watch what processes are doing. for example: last pid: 8019; load averages: 0.35, 0.27, 0.20 19:54:08 47 processes: 1 running, 46 sleeping CPU states: 2.7% user, 0.0% nice, 2.7% system, 0.8% interrupt, 93.8% idle Mem: 65M Active, 10M Inact, 14M Wired, 8335K Buf, 35M Free Swap: 256M Total, 64K Used, 256M Free the above is a paste from top running on my P133 w/ 128M of ram and 256M of swap or: % vmstat 5 procs memory page disks faults cpu r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr s0 c0 in sy cs us sy id 1 2 0 4144276 35408 5 0 0 0 5 0 1 0 239 297 45 2 1 98 0 2 0 4137596 35404 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 232 281 42 0 0 99 0 2 0 4136312 35404 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 237 332 55 1 1 98 this is a 15 second long vmstat (5 second updates) pi is page in, and po is page out. As you can see, my machine is doing very little as this is taken. Now, watch what happens when I run two instances of GIMP on top of this: % vmstat 5 procs memory page disks faults cpu r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr s0 c0 in sy cs us sy id 2 2 0 4142396 35396 5 0 0 0 5 0 1 0 239 297 45 2 1 98 0 3 0 4169616 32216 129 0 9 0 60 0 40 0 350 1249 220 7 7 86 3 2 0 4191424 23416 1120 10 0 0 58 9623 126 0 431 2038 394 19 31 50 1 5 0 4540 17792 638 13 4 0 18 19144 77 0 314 1076 258 33 26 40 1 3 0 7220 18352 140 0 2 1 0 4824 24 0 253 27107 1840 61 29 10 1 2 0 7940 16368 104 23 4 0 14 0 7 0 250 2068 363 23 7 70 0 2 0 3136 16804 24 2 0 0 24 4791 0 0 267 631 109 2 4 94 0 2 0 2412 16712 2 3 0 0 0 0 2 0 238 397 43 1 2 98 0 2 0 3096 16712 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 236 281 42 0 1 99 As you can see, there has been some activity (granted, not much) last pid: 8089; load averages: 0.61, 0.44, 0.29 19:58:21 52 processes: 1 running, 51 sleeping CPU states: 4.0% user, 0.0% nice, 4.4% system, 0.0% interrupt, 91.6% idle Mem: 93M Active, 32K Inact, 15M Wired, 16M Cache, 8348K Buf, 616K Free Swap: 256M Total, 104K Used, 256M Free % swapinfo Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Type /dev/sd0b 262144 13976 248104 5% Interleaved Some swap has been used, here. closing GIMP: % !vm vmstat 5 procs memory page disks faults cpu r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr s0 c0 in sy cs us sy id 2 2 0 4180640 16728 6 0 0 0 5 2 1 0 239 300 45 2 1 98 0 2 0 4143644 54188 72 11 1 0 1952 0 1 0 282 851 157 5 5 90 0 2 0 4144368 54188 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 250 341 58 1 1 98 last pid: 8148; load averages: 0.16, 0.31, 0.25 20:00:51 48 processes: 2 running, 46 sleeping CPU states: 1.2% user, 0.0% nice, 1.9% system, 0.8% interrupt, 96.1% idle Mem: 51M Active, 9160K Inact, 15M Wired, 15M Cache, 8340K Buf, 34M Free Swap: 256M Total, 104K Used, 256M Free as you can see, top still reflects data cached in swap, but look at swapinfo: % swapinfo Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Type /dev/sd0b 262144 40 262040 0% Interleaved My interpretation, here, is that the data is still cached, but that space will be reused if I don't run GIMP again, but will stay cached in case I need it (OR there's a bug hidden somewhere). -Jon On 6 Apr 1998, Dag-Erling Coidan [iso-8859-1] Smørgrav wrote: > "John S. Dyson" writes: > > On my workstation, I run with 1.2GB of available swap space, and anybody > > can afford that, can't they? (BTW, I seldom use more than 30-40MB, but > > with the price of disk, who cares?) > > I only have 512 MB (out of 9 GB of disk space) but then again I have > 128 MB RAM, so I practically never use any swap at all, except > possibly while making world. On my laptop, however, I only have 16 MB > RAM (should have been 32, but Big Three-Letter Computer Company (tm) > screwed up and I'm still waiting for the missing RAM) so swap space > gets eaten up PDQ. > > -- > fprintf(stderr, "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out.\n"); > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 17:16:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA28263 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:16:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from husa.tuc.noao.edu (husa.tuc.noao.edu [140.252.3.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28081; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:16:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ajhar@husa.tuc.noao.edu) Received: (from ajhar@localhost) by husa.tuc.noao.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/EAA-1997Aug15) id RAA15679; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:16:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ajhar) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:16:05 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199804060016.RAA15679@husa.tuc.noao.edu> From: Edward Ajhar To: tweten@frihet.com CC: ports@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199804050717.XAA01331@ns.frihet.com> (tweten@frihet.com) Subject: Re: 2.2.6, utmp, wtmp, and xterm References: <199804050717.XAA01331@ns.frihet.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On my 2.2.5-stable machine of 98/3/3, the problem occurs in xterm-3.3.2 while the old xterm-3.3 behaves properly. --Ed To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 17:17:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA28717 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:17:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28579; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:17:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01675; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:17:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199804060017.TAA01675@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? In-Reply-To: from Dexnation Holodream at "Apr 5, 98 08:07:19 pm" To: dex@wankers.net (Dexnation Holodream) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:17:04 -0500 (EST) Cc: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, dswartz@druber.com, dg@root.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > as you can see, top still reflects data cached in swap, but look at > swapinfo: > > % swapinfo > Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Type > /dev/sd0b 262144 40 262040 0% Interleaved > > My interpretation, here, is that the data is still cached, but that space > will be reused if I don't run GIMP again, but will stay cached in case I > need it (OR there's a bug hidden somewhere). > What you are seeing is parts of other processes on swap. FreeBSD does not gratuitiously swap unneeded pages back in only to free swap space That swap allocation that you see could be part of init or some other process that is still running. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 17:20:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA29667 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:20:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA29500; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:19:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01708; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:19:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199804060019.TAA01708@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? In-Reply-To: from =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag=2DErling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= at "Apr 6, 98 01:22:46 am" To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:19:42 -0500 (EST) Cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, dswartz@druber.com, dg@root.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > "John S. Dyson" writes: > > On my workstation, I run with 1.2GB of available swap space, and anybody > > can afford that, can't they? (BTW, I seldom use more than 30-40MB, but > > with the price of disk, who cares?) > > I only have 512 MB (out of 9 GB of disk space) but then again I have > 128 MB RAM, so I practically never use any swap at all, except > possibly while making world. On my laptop, however, I only have 16 MB > RAM (should have been 32, but Big Three-Letter Computer Company (tm) > screwed up and I'm still waiting for the missing RAM) so swap space > gets eaten up PDQ. > You have a system that will be robust under various conditions. It is an investment in a future with minimal trouble, if people would only config their systems like you do in that regard. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 17:23:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00999 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:23:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wankers.net (root@host-32-96-40-98.atl.bellsouth.net [32.96.40.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00674; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:22:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Received: from localhost (dex@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wankers.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA08418; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:21:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:21:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Dexnation Holodream X-Sender: dex@localhost To: "John S. Dyson" cc: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, dswartz@druber.com, dg@root.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? In-Reply-To: <199804060017.TAA01675@dyson.iquest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk oh...I was talking about top showing 104k, as opposed to swapinfo showing 40k. -Jon On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, John S. Dyson wrote: > > > > as you can see, top still reflects data cached in swap, but look at > > swapinfo: > > > > % swapinfo > > Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Type > > /dev/sd0b 262144 40 262040 0% Interleaved > > > > My interpretation, here, is that the data is still cached, but that space > > will be reused if I don't run GIMP again, but will stay cached in case I > > need it (OR there's a bug hidden somewhere). > > > What you are seeing is parts of other processes on swap. FreeBSD does > not gratuitiously swap unneeded pages back in only to free swap space > That swap allocation that you see could be part of init or some other > process that is still running. > > John > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 17:30:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA03498 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:30:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03363; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:30:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01781; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:30:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199804060030.TAA01781@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? In-Reply-To: from Dexnation Holodream at "Apr 5, 98 08:21:07 pm" To: dex@wankers.net (Dexnation Holodream) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:30:18 -0500 (EST) Cc: toor@dyson.iquest.net, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, dswartz@druber.com, dg@root.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > oh...I was talking about top showing 104k, as opposed to swapinfo showing > 40k. > That is due to the 64K that is reserved at the beginning of the swap partition (I believe.) Swapinfo is correct showing the allocation, and top also shows the reserved space. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 17:42:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA05601 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:42:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wankers.net (root@host-32-96-40-98.atl.bellsouth.net [32.96.40.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA05506; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:41:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Received: from localhost (dex@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wankers.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA08559; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:41:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:41:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Dexnation Holodream X-Sender: dex@localhost To: "John S. Dyson" cc: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, dswartz@druber.com, dg@root.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? In-Reply-To: <199804060030.TAA01781@dyson.iquest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk actually, now that I think about it, yeah...you're right :) I forgot that swapinfo doesn't show that initial 64k :) -Jon On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, John S. Dyson wrote: > > > > oh...I was talking about top showing 104k, as opposed to swapinfo showing > > 40k. > > > That is due to the 64K that is reserved at the beginning of the swap > partition (I believe.) Swapinfo is correct showing the allocation, and > top also shows the reserved space. > > John > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 17:46:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA06951 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:46:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA06932; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:46:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA06886; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:44:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Dexnation Holodream cc: "John S. Dyson" , dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, dswartz@druber.com, dg@root.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 05 Apr 1998 20:41:09 EDT." Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 17:44:49 -0700 Message-ID: <6881.891823489@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > actually, now that I think about it, yeah...you're right :) I forgot that > swapinfo doesn't show that initial 64k :) Can we get this thread out of both -current and -stable? It should never have been cross-posted to both and I'm redirecting it now to -stable. Thanks! Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 18:09:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA12103 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:09:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.frihet.com (root@frihet.bayarea.net [205.219.92.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12042 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:09:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tweten@ns.frihet.com) Received: from ns.frihet.com (tweten@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.frihet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02944 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:09:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tweten@ns.frihet.com) Message-Id: <199804060109.SAA02944@ns.frihet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.6, utmp, wtmp, and xterm From: "David E. Tweten" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:09:07 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I started this subject thread by cross-posting to ports and to stable. Jordan believes I lacked "a clear and obvious need to post to both lists" (to quote the rules). In the interests of avoiding acrimony, and since it now seems the problem I asked about goes beyond XFree86 3.3.2, please direct any future traffic on this to stable and only to stable. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. -- David E. Tweten | 2047-bit PGP fingerprint: | tweten@frihet.com 12141 Atrium Drive | E9 59 E7 5C 6B 88 B8 90 | tweten@and.com Saratoga, CA 95070-3162 | 65 30 2A A4 A0 BC 49 AE | (408) 446-4131 Those who make good products sell products; those who don't, sell solutions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 18:12:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13015 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:12:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12963 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:12:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA08540; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:42:01 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199804060112.KAA08540@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) cc: Niklas Saers , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MSDOSFS In-reply-to: Your message of "05 Apr 1998 18:20:00 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 10:42:01 +0930 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > unavaible as the floppy. Why does the entire filesystem go down with one > > minor problem such as the floppy? And how can I avoid this. (except from > > using bad floppies, that is :) ) > Don't mount floppies, use mtools instead. Hmm.. I don't think thats really an nice solution.. The whole point of the FS is that it abstracts file access so that you don't need different programs to access different types of drive. (ie I don't need tar which works with MFS, FFS, and NFS, because the FS abstracts access to files..) Perhaps MSDOSFS needs the 'soft' option a la NFS =) --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 18:21:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA15228 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:21:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15218 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:21:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id DAA01329; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 03:21:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 03:21:07 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel O'Connor" Cc: Niklas Saers , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MSDOSFS References: <199804060112.KAA08540@cain.gsoft.com.au> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 06 Apr 1998 03:21:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Daniel O'Connor"'s message of "Mon, 06 Apr 1998 10:42:01 +0930" Message-ID: Lines: 29 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id SAA15220 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk "Daniel O'Connor" writes: > > > unavaible as the floppy. Why does the entire filesystem go down with one > > > minor problem such as the floppy? And how can I avoid this. (except from > > > using bad floppies, that is :) ) > > Don't mount floppies, use mtools instead. > Hmm.. I don't think thats really an nice solution.. > The whole point of the FS is that it abstracts file access so that you don't > need different programs to access different types of drive. (ie I don't need > tar which works with MFS, FFS, and NFS, because the FS abstracts access to > files..) > Perhaps MSDOSFS needs the 'soft' option a la NFS =) There are just too many gotchas with PC floppy drives to make them safe to mount, IMHO. They're cheap lowest-common-denominator¹ hardware. You have no assurance that the user doesn't actually switch floppies between mount and umount, because you have no way to lock the media and disk change sense doesn't work reliably. Floppy operations should be done atomically, as mtools does, rather than on a session basis as mount does. Besides, its capacity and speed are so low and its use is so restricted that having to mount and umount it all the time is a pain in the butt. Hopefully the LS120 brings a solution to this; LS120 drives elctromechanical (rather than plain mechanical) media ejection and allow media locking, and their capacity is such that it actually makes sense to mount a disk for a certain period of time. ¹ Yeah, I know it's supposed to be greatest common denominator... -- fprintf(stderr, "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out.\n"); To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 18:37:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18348 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:37:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18320 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:37:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA08685; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:07:08 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199804060137.LAA08685@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) cc: Niklas Saers , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MSDOSFS In-reply-to: Your message of "06 Apr 1998 03:21:06 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 11:07:08 +0930 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id SAA18325 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Perhaps MSDOSFS needs the 'soft' option a la NFS =) > There are just too many gotchas with PC floppy drives to make them > safe to mount, IMHO. They're cheap lowest-common-denominator¹ > hardware. You have no assurance that the user doesn't actually switch > floppies between mount and umount, because you have no way to lock the > media and disk change sense doesn't work reliably. Floppy operations Yeah.. I know, but lets face it, if people want to mount them, then they should take responsibility for them screwing up.. _but_ they shouldn't have to worry about the kernel throwing a wobbly when you mount them.. (ie fail nicely instead of panicing..) > its use is so restricted that having to mount and umount it all the > time is a pain in the butt. Hopefully the LS120 brings a solution to > this; LS120 drives elctromechanical (rather than plain mechanical) True.. I suppose its just faster to do you work on a HD, and split it up into 1.44Mb chunks.. (but I'd still like it if the kernel didn't die on bad disks) > media ejection and allow media locking, and their capacity is such > that it actually makes sense to mount a disk for a certain period of > time. They are nice, and they aren't even that expensive.. I wonder how many people will get them standard.. > ¹ Yeah, I know it's supposed to be greatest common denominator... Hah.. This is PC hardware you realise?! =) --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 18:40:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18958 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:40:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18798; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:39:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11575; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:39:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd011516; Sun Apr 5 18:39:45 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA10532; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:39:40 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199804060139.SAA10532@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? To: dswartz@druber.com (Dan Swartzendruber) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:39:40 +0000 (GMT) Cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, dg@root.com, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980405182046.009137d0@mail.kersur.net> from "Dan Swartzendruber" at Apr 5, 98 06:20:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > >> My only quibble with this technique is that it would seem to make it > >> harder to tell if your machine is really running low on swap or not > >> (e.g. swap as backing store for stack/heap/whatever *is* critical and > >> allocation failure can cause application failure, whereas swap being > >> used to cache random cruft is in the "who really cares" department). > >> Or is there some way to tell the difference? > >> > >It is difficult not only to tell if you are low on swap, but also it > >is hard to quantify being low on memory. I have been thinking about > >this over the last year or so. > > It was actually kind of embarrassing. I convinced a local ISP to start > converting their servers from Linux (what I recommended a few years ago > when I didn't know different :)) One of the admins (who has some Linux > experience) asked me why it was using swap. I gave the canonical reply. > He asked the question I just posed. I had no good reply :( I've been thinking about this as well. I think it should be relatively easy to (ab)use procfs and /dev/kmem to get at what pages are allocated to processes, which ones are clean, and so on. Procfs might need extended, but so what? This info is available from the SVR4 procfs; I used a simple "RLE" representation to find out that if you reference page zero on SVR4, instead of blowing up, it maps a zero-filled page in there. Bletch! I was considering writing a graphical tool to display this; maybe this will be my first real excuse to forray into AWT and JNI. Hopefully someone will beat me to this; I'm not terribly motivated to get that deep into AWT without some guarantee of a commercially usable JVM on FreeBSD. Kaffe is partly there, but you are still screwed by the non-public Sun "classes.zip". The base design I had in mind was a 128x128 (yes, limited to 64M) display of 4k page allocations, with the ability to "magnify" the grid to the point where you can see PID's (or 'shared'). Colors whould show mapping status (read-only, write-only, execute-only [if the bit were maintained; Intel is stupid], copy-on-write, text, data, kernel, and shared library, and clean [cached, unused]). Probably alternate mappings would be hand for "topographic" coloring based on number of mappings, number of aliases, etc.. Be quite a cool toy if I ever get around to writing it. ;-). I'm currently downloading the Mozilla source... I expect it to keep me busy for a while. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 18:41:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19361 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:41:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.frihet.com (root@frihet.bayarea.net [205.219.92.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19244; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:40:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tweten@ns.frihet.com) Received: from ns.frihet.com (tweten@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.frihet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA03046; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:40:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tweten@ns.frihet.com) Message-Id: <199804060140.SAA03046@ns.frihet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Dan Swartzendruber cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, dg@root.com, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? From: "David E. Tweten" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:40:39 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk dswartz@druber.com said: >Here's an off-the-cuff idea: since the confusing usage of swap as a >caching mechanism is only a performance optimization, how bogus would >it be to not report it. Lie. If my workstation has 64MB of swap set >up, 8 of which is being used for real backing store, and 12 of which >is being used to cache filesystem pages, have swapinfo lie and report >only 8MB in use. The 4.4 BSD interaction between physical pages used for virtual memory and physical pages used for file system cache doesn't work that way, and I can't imagine the FreeBSD core team adding in such a botch. It is never a good idea to send a dirty file system cache page to swap. It is always better to send it to the file system. After all, it might never again be written. If it is ever written, it will have to be read into memory again either way. If it never gets written, it's a win to have written to the file system and a lose to swap. If it gets written, it's a tie. Therefore, never write dirty file system cache buffers to swap. What you see in swap under heavy I/O load, is dirty process virtual memory pages moved out of real memory to make way for an expanding file system cache. There's no reason to read them back until the process faults for them; it might exit first, allowing you to just abandon them. -- David E. Tweten | 2047-bit PGP fingerprint: | tweten@frihet.com 12141 Atrium Drive | E9 59 E7 5C 6B 88 B8 90 | tweten@and.com Saratoga, CA 95070-3162 | 65 30 2A A4 A0 BC 49 AE | (408) 446-4131 Those who make good products sell products; those who don't, sell solutions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 18:47:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21889 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:47:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21642; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:46:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06954; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:46:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199804060146.UAA06954@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? In-Reply-To: <199804060140.SAA03046@ns.frihet.com> from "David E. Tweten" at "Apr 5, 98 06:40:39 pm" To: tweten@frihet.com (David E. Tweten) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:46:01 -0500 (EST) Cc: dswartz@druber.com, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, dg@root.com, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > The 4.4 BSD interaction between physical pages used for virtual memory and > physical pages used for file system cache doesn't work that way, and I can't > imagine the FreeBSD core team adding in such a botch. It is never a good > idea to send a dirty file system cache page to swap. It is always better to > send it to the file system. After all, it might never again be written. If > it is ever written, it will have to be read into memory again either way. > Of course, we write dirty pages only to the correct place. > > What you see in swap under heavy I/O load, is dirty process virtual memory > pages moved out of real memory to make way for an expanding file system > cache. There's no reason to read them back until the process faults for > them; it might exit first, allowing you to just abandon them. > Our filesystem cache applies only very slight pressure to process memory. Indeed much less than most other OSes. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 18:51:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22636 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:51:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22614; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:51:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA00668; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:50:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Terry Lambert cc: dswartz@druber.com (Dan Swartzendruber), dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, dg@root.com, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 06 Apr 1998 01:39:40 -0000." <199804060139.SAA10532@usr04.primenet.com> Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:50:36 -0700 Message-ID: <665.891827436@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk [redirected to -stable; watch those followups!] > I was considering writing a graphical tool to display this; maybe > this will be my first real excuse to forray into AWT and JNI. Tk! Tk! :-) The canvas widget and you would just get along, I have this feeling. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 18:57:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24051 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:57:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA23980; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:57:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA21611; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:56:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA00970; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:56:47 -0600 Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:56:47 -0600 Message-Id: <199804060156.TAA00970@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Terry Lambert Cc: dswartz@druber.com (Dan Swartzendruber), dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, dg@root.com, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? In-Reply-To: <199804060139.SAA10532@usr04.primenet.com> References: <3.0.5.32.19980405182046.009137d0@mail.kersur.net> <199804060139.SAA10532@usr04.primenet.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Hopefully someone will beat me to this; I'm not terribly motivated > to get that deep into AWT without some guarantee of a commercially > usable JVM on FreeBSD. FWIW, the existing JDK is 95% as stable as the JDK on Solaris. We have some select bugs that appear to be there at times, but it only shows up on select applications. If it makes you feel any better, I do most of my commercial Java development using FreeBSD's JDK, although due to client needs we are deploying on WNT. :( Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 19:24:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA00303 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:24:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA00249; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:24:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA17549; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804060222.TAA17549@implode.root.com> To: "David E. Tweten" cc: Dan Swartzendruber , dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:40:39 PDT." <199804060140.SAA03046@ns.frihet.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 19:22:47 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >dswartz@druber.com said: >>Here's an off-the-cuff idea: since the confusing usage of swap as a >>caching mechanism is only a performance optimization, how bogus would >>it be to not report it. Lie. If my workstation has 64MB of swap set >>up, 8 of which is being used for real backing store, and 12 of which >>is being used to cache filesystem pages, have swapinfo lie and report >>only 8MB in use. > >The 4.4 BSD interaction between physical pages used for virtual memory and >physical pages used for file system cache doesn't work that way, and I can't >imagine the FreeBSD core team adding in such a botch. It is never a good >idea to send a dirty file system cache page to swap. ...and of course we didn't. I don't know where the confusion started on this, but what we page out to swap is the same thing we've always paged out to swap: 'anonymous' memory that is not backed by a file. Modified file pages (non-COW) are backed by the file and are never written to swap. >What you see in swap under heavy I/O load, is dirty process virtual memory >pages moved out of real memory to make way for an expanding file system >cache. There's no reason to read them back until the process faults for >them; it might exit first, allowing you to just abandon them. Right. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 20:01:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06372 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:01:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cs.rice.edu (cs.rice.edu [128.42.1.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA06363 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:01:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from krentel@cs.rice.edu) Received: (from krentel@localhost) by cs.rice.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id WAA29398 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:01:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:01:27 -0500 (CDT) From: "Mark W. Krentel" Message-Id: <199804060301.WAA29398@cs.rice.edu> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs checkout Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I'm trying to update my sources on the 2.2 branch with cvs checkout (and keeping a local copy of the CVS repository) instead of using cvsup. But it seems that the "-D date" option conflicts with "-r tag" on cvs checkout. For example, I'm running 2.2.5-RELEASE (and cvs 1.9.10) from the cdrom, and I copied CVS-Repository from disk #3 to my hard disk. As a test, I checked out two complete copies of src with: cvs co -P -r RELENG_2_2_5_RELEASE src cvs co -P -r RELENG_2_2 src and compared them with diff -r -q -x CVS. All the CVS/Tags files differ, of course, but otherwise diff reports that the two src trees are identical. So far so good. But then I checked out a third copy of src with: cvs co -P -r RELENG_2_2 -D 1997-10-30 src Remember that the 2.2.5 CD's were frozen on Oct 20, 1997, so my copy of the repository (still from the CD, not yet updated) has no changes past Oct 20. But now diff reports that this third copy is missing 177 files. Here are the first four: Only in 2.2-src/contrib/opie: config.h Only in 2.2-src/etc: protocols Only in 2.2-src/etc: shells Only in 2.2-src/games/hack: hack.version.c Looking at the rcs ,v files, it seems that the missing files all have a 0 in the version number for RELENG_2_2. For example, src/etc/shells,v specifies RELENG_2_2 as 1.1.0.10. This means that the file has not changed on this branch since the RELENG_2_2 branch was created, right? Basically, I want to keep a local copy of the repository and be able to check out the 2.2 branch on any given date. My questions: (1) Is this a bug in cvs, or did I just use the wrong options? (2) Can cvs check out an entire branch on a given (past) date? What are the options for doing this? (3) As I recall, cvsup handles this correctly, right? That is, I can ask for a given branch on a given date with cvsup? As a workaround, I could install cvsupd and then use cvsup instead of cvs. Thanks, Mark Krentel krentel@rice.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 22:30:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA22860 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:30:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22779 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:29:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (ppp63.wcc.net [208.6.232.63]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA14637; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 00:25:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA01905; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 00:29:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 00:29:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199804060529.AAA01905@detlev.UUCP> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199804051200.GAA24158@roguetrader.com> (freebsd-errata-update@roguetrader.com) Subject: Re: ERRATA NOTICE: FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <199804051200.GAA24158@roguetrader.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > ---- SYSTEM ERRATA INFORMATION: > o The ppp program fails to work, citing a missing shared library > called "libdes.so.3.0". The workarounds listed may be unviable due to chicken-egg issues, no? I don't know about 2.2.6, but I have personally had success in -current by linking libdes to libcrypt. This doesn't let MSCHAP work, but it at least gives you a temporarily usable ppp connection. Best, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 22:43:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA25093 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:43:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA24890; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:43:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (tnt13.wcc.net [208.10.139.13]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA15380; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 00:39:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA02003; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 00:43:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 00:43:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199804060543.AAA02003@detlev.UUCP> To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG CC: dswartz@druber.com, dg@root.com, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199804052135.QAA00680@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <199804052135.QAA00680@dyson.iquest.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> My only quibble with this technique is that it would seem to make it >> harder to tell if your machine is really running low on swap or not >> (e.g. swap as backing store for stack/heap/whatever *is* critical and >> allocation failure can cause application failure, whereas swap being >> used to cache random cruft is in the "who really cares" department). >> Or is there some way to tell the difference? > It is difficult not only to tell if you are low on swap, but also it > is hard to quantify being low on memory. I have been thinking about > this over the last year or so. I don't know much about the FreeBSD VM system, but it is my understanding that in stock 4.4BSD, you can tell kinda by a high number of page outs but mostly by swap outs if you are low on RAM. Is this not the case also with FreeBSD? I've been considering writing a utility to watch several performance-related stats (including *why* pages are being paged out, and processes swapped out, etc), and watch whether MINFREE is being approached, or what have you. Has this already been done? Best, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 22:46:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA26151 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:46:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA26020 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:46:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA01708; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:45:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: joelh@gnu.org cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ERRATA NOTICE: FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 06 Apr 1998 00:29:44 CDT." <199804060529.AAA01905@detlev.UUCP> Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 22:45:50 -0700 Message-ID: <1704.891841550@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > The workarounds listed may be unviable due to chicken-egg issues, no? > > I don't know about 2.2.6, but I have personally had success in > -current by linking libdes to libcrypt. This doesn't let MSCHAP work, > but it at least gives you a temporarily usable ppp connection. An excellent point and suggestion. I will amend the errata accordingly. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 22:57:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA28838 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:57:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA28797; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:57:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA08923; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 00:57:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199804060557.AAA08923@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? In-Reply-To: <199804060543.AAA02003@detlev.UUCP> from Joel Ray Holveck at "Apr 6, 98 00:43:18 am" To: joelh@gnu.org Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 00:57:20 -0500 (EST) Cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, dswartz@druber.com, dg@root.com, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > >> My only quibble with this technique is that it would seem to make it > >> harder to tell if your machine is really running low on swap or not > >> (e.g. swap as backing store for stack/heap/whatever *is* critical and > >> allocation failure can cause application failure, whereas swap being > >> used to cache random cruft is in the "who really cares" department). > >> Or is there some way to tell the difference? > > It is difficult not only to tell if you are low on swap, but also it > > is hard to quantify being low on memory. I have been thinking about > > this over the last year or so. > > I don't know much about the FreeBSD VM system, but it is my > understanding that in stock 4.4BSD, you can tell kinda by a high > number of page outs but mostly by swap outs if you are low on RAM. Is > this not the case also with FreeBSD? > Yes, that is about the only way. I think that high (swap) pageout activity along with a small cache queue length would seem to be a good (and sensitive) indicator. We have no utility that informs users simply though. > > I've been considering writing a utility to watch several > performance-related stats (including *why* pages are being paged out, > and processes swapped out, etc), and watch whether MINFREE is being > approached, or what have you. > Very good idea!!! If you need pointers to the info, let me know. Most of the info is available under sysctl vm and sysctl vfs, along with some of the cnt.* variables (which should likely be accessible with sysctl also.) John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 22:58:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29118 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:58:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA29013; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:58:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (tnt39.wcc.net [208.10.139.39]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA16010; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 00:53:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA02073; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 00:56:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 00:56:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199804060556.AAA02073@detlev.UUCP> To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG CC: dswartz@druber.com, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, dg@root.com, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199804052307.SAA00506@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <199804052307.SAA00506@dyson.iquest.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > The needed amount of physical memory is best judged by paging activity, > but again, the system doesn't tell you directly. Perhaps I'm confused, then... Doesn't vmstat tell you paging activity? Granted, it doesn't tell you whether it's paging to get rid of unused pages, or whether it's paging to free up needed memory, but at least it's a start. Best, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 5 23:09:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02719 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 23:09:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA02616; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 23:09:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA09011; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:09:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199804060609.BAA09011@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? In-Reply-To: <199804060556.AAA02073@detlev.UUCP> from Joel Ray Holveck at "Apr 6, 98 00:56:49 am" To: joelh@gnu.org Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:09:32 -0500 (EST) Cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, dswartz@druber.com, dg@root.com, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > The needed amount of physical memory is best judged by paging activity, > > but again, the system doesn't tell you directly. > > Perhaps I'm confused, then... Doesn't vmstat tell you paging activity? > Granted, it doesn't tell you whether it's paging to get rid of unused > pages, or whether it's paging to free up needed memory, but at least > it's a start. > It doesn't quantify the amount of paging that is excessive. How does one judge that a certain amount of paging is too much? The work would be to quantify and interpret the raw status that the system provides. It is similar to the difference between "understanding" and "being able to design." I suggest that this would be a good project, but creating a reliable measure of system paging load where a measurement of excessive paging is translated into an understandable and accurage judgement is interesting, and the information is not provided directly by the system. It would have to be calculated somehow. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 6 01:37:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA22978 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:37:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (polaris.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA22967 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:36:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jose@we.lc.ehu.es) Received: from we.lc.ehu.es by polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA04496; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:35:28 +0200 Message-ID: <35289394.1E1D5E06@we.lc.ehu.es> Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 10:34:28 +0200 From: "Jose M. Alcaide" Organization: Universidad del País Vasco - Dep. de Electricidad y Electrónica X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David E. Tweten" CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.6, utmp, wtmp, and xterm References: <199804050717.XAA01331@ns.frihet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk David E. Tweten wrote: > > I first noticed this in 2.2.6-BETA, unfortunately not until after the > release. I've since confirmed it with -stable from just a few days ago. The > problem's most likely in XFree86 3.3.2, but I can't be sure since I no longer > have any machines that run anything before XFree86 3.3.2 and post-2.2.6 > FreeBSD. I'm hoping this question will save me having to debug xterm. > > The presenting symptom is who(1) lists pseudo-terminals as active that are > long since gone. I populate most xterms with a login shell. It only happens > with ptys that have been used by xterm. Rlogind ptys are okay; so are vtys. > Both /var/run/utmp and /var/log/wtmp claim any pty that ever supported an > xterm is still logged in. Run a last(1) on my machine, and you'll see the > only way an xterm ever gets terminated is by "shutdown". Of course, that's > not true. They terminate quite nicely, requiring only that "logout" be typed > at csh. > > [ rest of message deleted ] I have the same problem. I'm not sure if it's related to 2.2.6 or XFree86 3.3.2, since I upgraded both almost simultaneously. However, I think that this is a XFree86 3.3.2 problem, because rlogind, telnetd and so on remove the utmp entries correctly. At least, now I know that I'm not the only one suffering this problem! -- JM ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jose M. Alcaide | mailto:jose@we.lc.ehu.es Universidad del Pais Vasco | http://www.we.lc.ehu.es/~jose Dpto. de Electricidad y Electronica | Facultad de Ciencias - Campus de Lejona | Tel.: +34-4-4647700 x2624 48940 Lejona (Vizcaya) - SPAIN | Fax: +34-4-4858139 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Go ahead... make my day." - H. Callahan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 6 02:44:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA28851 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 02:44:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA28846 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 02:44:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA02592; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 02:42:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: "Jose M. Alcaide" cc: "David E. Tweten" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.6, utmp, wtmp, and xterm In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 06 Apr 1998 10:34:28 +0200." <35289394.1E1D5E06@we.lc.ehu.es> Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 02:42:12 -0700 Message-ID: <2588.891855732@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk This is a known bug in XFree86 3.3.2's xterm. I'm testing a fix recently sent to me now. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 6 04:02:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05990 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 04:02:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lab321.ru (anonymous1.omsk.net.ru [194.226.32.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA05984 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 04:02:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kev@lab321.ru) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by lab321.ru (8.8.5-MVC-230497/8.8.5) id SAA00670 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:02:33 +0700 (OSD) Received: from ns.lab321.ru(194.226.33.65), claiming to be "lab321.ru" via SMTP by ns.lab321.ru, id smtpd000660; Mon Apr 6 18:02:31 1998 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:02:31 +0700 (OSD) From: Eugeny Kuzakov To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 2.2-980123-SNAP Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi ! Has fxp driver any improvment in 2.2.6 ? I am not sure, but I have some problems with work fxp driver in 100Mbs full-duplex mode in 2.2-980123-snap. thanks. -- Best wishes, Eugeny Kuzakov Laboratory 321 ( Omsk, Russia ) kev@lab321.ru ICQ#: 5885106 p.s. Sorry for my english. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 6 05:00:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA14200 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 05:00:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roguetrader.com (cold.org [206.81.134.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA14164 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 05:00:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@roguetrader.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by roguetrader.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA28141; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 06:00:14 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 06:00:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199804061200.GAA28141@roguetrader.com> Subject: ERRATA NOTICE: FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE From: freebsd-errata-update@roguetrader.com To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk ****************************************************************** ** THIS IS AN AUTOMATIC ERRATA UPDATE FOR FREEBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE ** ****************************************************************** You can retrieve the complete ERRATA from: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.2.6-RELEASE/ERRATA.TXT The last update was sent: Sun Apr 5 06:00:03 1998 This update is sent: Mon Apr 6 06:00:13 1998 ------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- SYSTEM ERRATA INFORMATION: Fix: There are three possible fixes: 1. The easiest fix is to simply install the des distribution with /stand/sysinstall, remembering to pick a site that will allow you to export it if you're outside the United States and Canada (ftp.freebsd.org and ftp.internat.freebsd.org both fall into this category). 2. Purely as a work-around, and what you may need to do if ppp also constitutes your only way of getting to the net, is to simply do the following (as root): cp /usr/lib/libcrypt.so.2.0 /usr/lib/libdes.so.3.0 ldconfig -m /usr/lib 3. Another fix, and one which doesn't involve having to fetch the DES bits, is to install the ppp sources in /usr/src/usr.sbin/ppp and rebuild them. The sources are "smart" enough to know that the DES library isn't on the system and won't create a binary which depends on it. NOTE: If you choose the 2nd or 3rd fixes, you also will not be able to use MSCHAP (Microsoft Win*) style authentication. o The xterm program in XFree86 3.3.2 doesn't remove utmp entries on exit (e.g. xterm sessions show up in "who" or "w" even after they've exited). Fix: Fetch the updated xterm binary at: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.2.6-RELEASE/updates/xterm Or get the *latest* ports collection on your machine (see http://www.freebsd.org/ports) and use the port in x11/XFree86 to build an xterm with this patch already applied (as of 98/04/06). The patch itself can also be obtained from the port itself: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/ports/x11/XFree86/patches/patch-ag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 6 08:11:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03631 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:11:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ukconnect.net (mail.ukconnect.net [195.219.13.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA03624 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:11:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phil@virtek.com) Received: from phil.ukconnect.net (phil.ukconnect.net [195.219.14.2]) by mail.virtek.com (NTMail 3.03.0014/1.aa3h) with ESMTP id la003937 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:10:42 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980406142539.00f08630@mail.virtek.com> X-Sender: phil@mail.virtek.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 14:25:39 +0100 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Phil Allsopp Subject: Simple IPFW question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I want to redirect all data transferred through port 80 (http) to port 8080 (my Proxy). This appears to be simple although it doesn't seem to work when I try the redirection using ipfw. Can anyone supply a command line that will do this. I suspect I will also have to modify the services file. I think the following is what shoukd be the correct command although I am unsure what to do with the services file: ipfw add divert 8080 80 from any to any IP Thanks Phil. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 6 08:28:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA06193 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:28:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [194.93.177.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA06046 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:27:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA03313; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:26:43 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Message-ID: <19980406182643.62436@ucb.crimea.ua> Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:26:43 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Simple IPFW question Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3.0.3.32.19980406142539.00f08630@mail.virtek.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980406142539.00f08630@mail.virtek.com>; from Phil Allsopp on Mon, Apr 06, 1998 at 02:25:39PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, Apr 06, 1998 at 02:25:39PM +0100, Phil Allsopp wrote: > I want to redirect all data transferred through port 80 (http) to > port 8080 (my Proxy). This appears to be simple although it doesn't seem > to work when I try the redirection using ipfw. No, firewall won't do this. See natd(8). Regards, -- Ruslan Ermilov System Administrator ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank +380-652-247647 Simferopol, Crimea 2426679 ICQ Network, UIN To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 6 10:11:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18926 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:11:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.missouri.edu (mail.missouri.edu [128.206.2.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18911 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:11:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rich@chumbly.math.missouri.edu) Received: from chumbly.math.missouri.edu (chumbly.math.missouri.edu [128.206.72.12]) by mail.missouri.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA180712 for <@smtp.missouri.edu:freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:11:07 -0500 Received: by chumbly.math.missouri.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG id MAA07659; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:11:05 -0500 From: rich@chumbly.math.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel) Message-Id: <199804061711.MAA07659@chumbly.math.missouri.edu> Subject: FBSD Netscape 4.05 & Java & SCSI vs IDE To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:11:05 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >From my limited experience with two ide pentium machines and multitudes of scsi pentium machines, netscape only crashes when attempting to run java on machines with scsi controllers. Machines with ide have no problem. Is this consistent with others' experiences? Rich To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 6 11:02:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26388 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:02:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from insomnia.norden1.com (insomnia.norden1.com [192.153.35.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26317 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:02:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmutter@insomnia.norden1.com) Received: from localhost (jmutter@localhost) by insomnia.norden1.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA08686; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:04:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jmutter@insomnia.norden1.com) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:04:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "James A. Mutter" To: Rich Winkel cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FBSD Netscape 4.05 & Java & SCSI vs IDE In-Reply-To: <199804061711.MAA07659@chumbly.math.missouri.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > >From my limited experience with two ide pentium machines and multitudes > of scsi pentium machines, netscape only crashes when attempting > to run java on machines with scsi controllers. Machines with ide > have no problem. > Is this consistent with others' experiences? Nope, I've managed to crash it plenty on this IDE macine. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 6 11:54:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08155 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:54:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08134 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:54:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19927; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:54:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199804061854.LAA19927@austin.polstra.com> To: krentel@cs.rice.edu Subject: Re: cvs checkout In-Reply-To: <199804060301.WAA29398@cs.rice.edu> References: <199804060301.WAA29398@cs.rice.edu> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 11:54:02 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In article <199804060301.WAA29398@cs.rice.edu>, Mark W. Krentel wrote: > I'm trying to update my sources on the 2.2 branch with cvs checkout > (and keeping a local copy of the CVS repository) instead of using cvsup. > But it seems that the "-D date" option conflicts with "-r tag" on > cvs checkout. Yes. > (1) Is this a bug in cvs, or did I just use the wrong options? "cvs -H checkout" indicates that the two options are mutually exclusive. So it's a "feature". > (2) Can cvs check out an entire branch on a given (past) date? Not as far as I know. > (3) As I recall, cvsup handles this correctly, right? > That is, I can ask for a given branch on a given date with cvsup? "Right" and "yes". > As a workaround, I could install cvsupd and then use cvsup instead > of cvs. Yes, and it's actually _much_ faster than a cvs checkout. The only catch is, you can no longer use CVS on your checked-out tree if you do it that way. If you decide to do this, you might wish to have a look at the "net/cvsup-mirror" port. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 6 13:23:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01162 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:23:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cube3.erinet.com (cube3.erinet.com [198.6.245.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00925 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:22:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard@cube3.erinet.com) Received: from localhost (richard@localhost) by cube3.erinet.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA05194 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:30:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from richard@cube3.erinet.com) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:30:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Stanaford To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Make buildworld fails.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hello, I ran CVSup today (980406) and synched up my source tree. I removed /usr/obj, went in to the /usr/src directory and entered 'make buildworld' and it dies here.. Uhm.. what happened? :-) ===> tbl c++ -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/g++ -O -pipe -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/tbl/../incl ude -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_DIRENT_H=1 -DHAVE_LIMITS_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_DIR_H=1 -DHAVE_STDLIB_H =1 -DSTDLIB_H_DECLARES_GETOPT=1 -DSTDLIB_H_DECLARES_PUTENV=1 -DSTDIO_H_DECLARES_POPEN=1 -DST DIO_H_DECLARE_PCLOSE=1 -DHAVE_CC_OSFCN_H=1 -DHAVE_CC_LIMITS_H=1 -DRETSIGTYPE=void -DHAVE_STR UCT_EXCEPTION=1 -DHAVE_RENAME=1 -DHAVE_MKSTEMP=1 -DSYS_SIGLIST_DECLARED=1 -I/usr/src/gnu/usr .bin/groff/tbl/../../../../contrib/groff/include -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/tbl/include -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/tbl/../../../../contrib/gro ff/tbl/main.cc *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 6 14:53:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20181 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:53:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ptd.net (srv1.ptd.net [204.186.0.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA20152 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:53:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nickf@ptd.net) Received: (qmail 5963 invoked from network); 6 Apr 1998 21:53:08 -0000 Received: from cs10-15.pot.ptd.net (HELO ranger.nick.net) (204.186.34.159) by srv1-95.ptd.net with SMTP; 6 Apr 1998 21:53:08 -0000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 17:53:13 -0400 Message-ID: <01BD6184.DE7F3D60.nickf@ptd.net> From: Nick Folino To: "'James A. Mutter'" , Rich Winkel Cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: RE: FBSD Netscape 4.05 & Java & SCSI vs IDE Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 17:53:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk My machine at work has IDE and won't run java at all. --------------------------------------------------------------- I am the Nickhead nickf@ptd.net --------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: James A. Mutter [SMTP:jmutter@insomnia.norden1.com] Sent: Monday, April 06, 1998 2:04 PM To: Rich Winkel Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FBSD Netscape 4.05 & Java & SCSI vs IDE > >From my limited experience with two ide pentium machines and multitudes > of scsi pentium machines, netscape only crashes when attempting > to run java on machines with scsi controllers. Machines with ide > have no problem. > Is this consistent with others' experiences? Nope, I've managed to crash it plenty on this IDE macine. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 6 15:37:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25631 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:37:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25576; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:37:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00765; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804062234.PAA00765@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Dan Swartzendruber cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, dg@root.com, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: swap-leak in 2.2.5 ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:20:46 EDT." <3.0.5.32.19980405182046.009137d0@mail.kersur.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 15:34:04 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > It was actually kind of embarrassing. I convinced a local ISP to start > converting their servers from Linux (what I recommended a few years ago > when I didn't know different :)) One of the admins (who has some Linux > experience) asked me why it was using swap. I gave the canonical reply. > He asked the question I just posed. I had no good reply :( The simplest answer to this is "because the system has found a better use for memory than holding the data". It can't throw it away (it's data, after all), so it parks it in the swap partition. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 6 23:17:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA28467 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 23:17:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (antipodes.cdrom.com [204.216.27.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA28428 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 23:17:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00721; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804070557.WAA00721@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Mike Jeays cc: Mike Smith , Satoh Junichi , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATAPI Zip drive In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Apr 1998 07:28:50 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 22:57:54 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Sorry for the delay here... > /home/mike% newfs wfd0 > newfs: wfd0: `0' partition is unavailable That should be '/dev/rwfd0c'. > There is no /usr/mdec/wfdboot on my system, and I did install all the > distributions under 2.2.6-RELEASE. I don't think I need it, as I don't > intend to boot from these disks. That's actually slightly intentional, as booting 'wfd' disks is broken at the moment. > As a second question; I currently have a dual boot setup, with Win95 > on wd0s1, and freebsd on wd1s1. If I move the FreeBSD disk to the second > controller to make room for the CD-ROM on the first, what do I need to > do to adjust the dual-boot configuration? I am a bit nervous about taking > this step! You will want to adjust your kernel configuration to reflect the fact that 'wd1' is on the second controller, not the first. When you do this, copy the kernel to /kernel.new. Then move the disk and reboot kernel.new to make sure it's going to work. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 7 00:58:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13875 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:58:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA13869 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:58:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA07177; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:55:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Message-ID: <3529DBD9.F7D9D5F0@san.rr.com> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 00:55:05 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE-0325 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eugeny Kuzakov CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2-980123-SNAP References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Eugeny Kuzakov wrote: > > Hi ! > > Has fxp driver any improvment in 2.2.6 ? > I am not sure, but I have some problems with work fxp driver in > 100Mbs full-duplex mode in 2.2-980123-snap. > thanks. We have seen some performance increase on a machine with an fxp card however it's not clear whether the improvement is in the driver or not. I would recommend upgrading to 2.2.6-RELEASE unless you need user ppp, in which case you should see the errata file. Good luck, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 7 09:50:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA18344 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:50:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA18339 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:50:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yMbYX-0001BB-00; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:49:05 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:49:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Ruslan Ermilov cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Simple IPFW question In-Reply-To: <19980406182643.62436@ucb.crimea.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > On Mon, Apr 06, 1998 at 02:25:39PM +0100, Phil Allsopp wrote: > > I want to redirect all data transferred through port 80 (http) to > > port 8080 (my Proxy). This appears to be simple although it doesn't seem > > to work when I try the redirection using ipfw. > > No, firewall won't do this. See natd(8). Is this actually possible with natd? I don't think so. natd seems to be only capable a straightforward many-to-1 translation, not the fairly specialized translation required to intercept HTTP, and translate it into a proxy request. > Regards, > -- > Ruslan Ermilov System Administrator > ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank > +380-652-247647 Simferopol, Crimea > 2426679 ICQ Network, UIN Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 7 14:37:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22757 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:37:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wankers.net (root@host-32-96-41-113.atl.bellsouth.net [32.96.41.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22745 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:37:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Received: from localhost (dex@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wankers.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA02414 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:36:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:36:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Dexnation Holodream X-Sender: dex@localhost To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: a really silly question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk hey...I have the Sun JDK, which naturally won't work on FBSD...but I've heard that there IS a FBSD JDK...where is it? -Jon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 7 14:50:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26595 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:50:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obiwan.TerraNova.net (root@obiwan.TerraNova.net [209.4.59.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26423 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:49:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bofh@terranova.net) Received: from guenhwyvar (tog@guenhwyvar.TerraNova.net [209.4.59.4]) by obiwan.TerraNova.net (8.8.8/TNN/3.1) with SMTP id RAA15852; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <352A9F69.1B1B@terranova.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 17:49:29 -0400 From: Travis Mikalson Organization: TerraNovaNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dexnation Holodream CC: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: a really silly question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Dexnation Holodream wrote: > > hey...I have the Sun JDK, which naturally won't work on FBSD...but I've > heard that there IS a FBSD JDK...where is it? http://www.freebsd.org/java/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 7 14:56:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28227 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:56:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tantivy.stanford.edu (techie@tantivy.Stanford.EDU [36.118.0.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28105 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:55:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from techie@tantivy.stanford.edu) Received: (from techie@localhost) by tantivy.stanford.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) id OAA13879 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:55:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Vaughan Message-Id: <199804072155.OAA13879@tantivy.stanford.edu> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: worm - HP 6020i - quirks? Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I have been trying to burn a CD on my HP 6020i cd-r burner. I've been using the HP 4020i quirks, since there don't appear to be any for the 6020.. using the burncd script from /usr/share/examples/worm. if I try a test in dummy mode, everything works (or seems to..) when I actually try to burn a cd, everything works until it comes time to fixate the disc.. at that point, the burn fails, with the following errors. Apr 5 23:06:06 tantivy /kernel: worm0(ahc0:5:0): SCB 0x0 - timed out while idle, LASTPHASE == 0x1, SCSISIGI == 0x0 Apr 5 23:06:07 tantivy /kernel: SEQADDR = 0x6 SCSISEQ = 0x12 SSTAT0 = 0x5 SSTAT1 = 0xa Apr 5 23:06:07 tantivy /kernel: worm0(ahc0:5:0): Queueing an Abort SCB Apr 5 23:06:07 tantivy /kernel: worm0(ahc0:5:0): Abort Message Sent Apr 5 23:06:07 tantivy /kernel: worm0(ahc0:5:0): Target Busy Apr 5 23:06:07 tantivy /kernel: worm0(ahc0:5:0): no longer in timeout Apr 5 23:06:07 tantivy /kernel: worm0(ahc0:5:0): Target Busy Apr 5 23:06:07 tantivy last message repeated 6 times at this point, the drive refuses to respond with anything other than 'device not configured'.. i can't eject the disk, or do anything else. this is all under 2.2.6-RELEASE.. system is a P5-200, with 64mb ram, and 2 adaptech 2940 controllers. the 6020 has one of the 2940's dedicated to it. any ideas? has anybody had success with a 6020i? -- Welcome My Son, Welcome To The Machine -- Bob Vaughan | techie@w6yx.stanford.edu | kc6sxc@w6yx.ampr.org | techie@t.stanford.edu | KC6SXC@W6YX.#NCA.CA.USA.NOAM | P.O. Box 9792, Stanford, Ca 94309-9792 -- I am Me, I am only Me, And no one else is Me, What could be simpler? -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 7 17:02:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25028 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:02:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from stcgate.statcan.ca (stcgate.statcan.ca [142.206.192.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA25012 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:02:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from JEAYS@statcan.ca) Received: (from root@localhost) by stcgate.statcan.ca (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA20234 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:06:06 -0400 Received: from stcinet.statcan.ca(142.206.128.146) by stcgate via smap (V1.3) id sma019972; Wed Apr 8 00:05:20 1998 Received: from statcan.ca by statcan.ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA14422; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:03:41 -0400 Received: from smtpsha.statcan.ca by bora2.statcan.ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA02372 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:41:35 -0400 Received: from smtp_gate.iusd.statcan.ca by smtpsha.statcan.ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA26985 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:38:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199804071238.IAA26985@smtpsha.statcan.ca> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:21:00 -0400 From: "Jeays, Mike" Subject: ATAPI devices - more problems To: freebsd-stable X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Thanks to those who have helped me in getting an Iomega ATAPI Zip drive to work. After a weekend of experiments with a fresh 2.2.6 installation, I found the following: I can only get an ATAPI device (CD-ROM or Zip drive) to work if it is the only device on an IDE controller. If I put two ATAPI devices on the same controller, "mount" hangs, and causes the entire system to crash if I try a second time. I cannot get either ATAPI device to work as a slave to an IDE drive. FreeBSD doesn't see them. I haven't tried with the ATAPI drive as master and the IDE disk as slave; I ran out of patience, and it would not solve my problem of configuring two IDE drives and the two ATAPI devices. In each configuration, the drives were correctly identified in the "dmesg" listing at boot time. On the positive side, the Zip drive by itself functions very well, either with an MS-DOS file system, or with a UFS. This was done on a 48MB Pentium 120, with a motherboard by Gigabyte. Finally, all the configurations I tried worked flawlessly under Win 95, which configured itself correctly and automatically. I hate to admit they have done quite a good job here... I could summarize the instructions for setting up the Zip drive as an SGML section for the handbook if anyone is interested, although it would almost all be from information supplied by others. I expect the LS120 is very similar. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 7 17:19:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27841 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:19:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.atipa.com (altrox.atipa.com [208.128.22.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA27830 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:18:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail 14591 invoked by uid 1017); 7 Apr 1998 23:16:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:16:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Atipa To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Sysintstall probing hosed on -STABLE? In-Reply-To: <199804072350.QAA06045@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I am installing STABLE (SNAP 0404), and everytime sysinstall starts up on boot, it takes over 3 minutes to get through the 'Probing devices, please wait...' screen. This as been on 2 totally different machines. What the do have in common: Fujitsu IDE hard drives, Adaptec SCSI cards (removing does not change anything), and Award BIOS for PPro. Different mobos (one AT, other ATX; one Gigabyte, one ASUS). Anyone else find this behavior? Everything runs fine after it times out or whatever. The whole time the hard drives sound like you are doing a 'find /usr/ports' :) Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 7 18:07:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04755 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:07:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04712; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:07:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19145; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:06:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Atipa cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sysintstall probing hosed on -STABLE? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 07 Apr 1998 17:16:31 MDT." Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 18:06:22 -0700 Message-ID: <19142.891997582@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hmmm. How are these IDE drives connected? > > I am installing STABLE (SNAP 0404), and everytime sysinstall starts up on > boot, it takes over 3 minutes to get through the 'Probing devices, please > wait...' screen. > > This as been on 2 totally different machines. What the do have in common: > Fujitsu IDE hard drives, Adaptec SCSI cards (removing does not change > anything), and Award BIOS for PPro. Different mobos (one AT, other ATX; > one Gigabyte, one ASUS). > > Anyone else find this behavior? Everything runs fine after it times out or > whatever. The whole time the hard drives sound like you are doing a > 'find /usr/ports' :) > > Kevin > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 7 18:13:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA06552 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:13:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06492 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:13:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA22278; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:42:28 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199804080112.KAA22278@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Tom cc: Ruslan Ermilov , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Simple IPFW question In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 07 Apr 1998 09:49:04 MST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 10:42:28 +0930 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > No, firewall won't do this. See natd(8). > Is this actually possible with natd? I don't think so. natd seems to > be only capable a straightforward many-to-1 translation, not the fairly > specialized translation required to intercept HTTP, and translate it into > a proxy request. Hmm.. what happens if you set up squid in httpd acceleration mode? Then it will accept ordinary httpd requests.. I don't know if it'll work tho :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 7 18:18:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08194 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:18:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA08145 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:18:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yMjUf-0001br-00; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:17:37 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:17:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: "Daniel O'Connor" cc: Ruslan Ermilov , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Simple IPFW question In-Reply-To: <199804080112.KAA22278@cain.gsoft.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > > > No, firewall won't do this. See natd(8). > > Is this actually possible with natd? I don't think so. natd seems to > > be only capable a straightforward many-to-1 translation, not the fairly > > specialized translation required to intercept HTTP, and translate it into > > a proxy request. > Hmm.. what happens if you set up squid in httpd acceleration mode? Then it > will accept ordinary httpd requests.. I don't know if it'll work tho :) In httpd acceleration mode, squid is designed to accelerate access to a particular http server which you must define: # If you want to run squid as an httpd accelerator, define the # host name and port number where the real HTTP server is. natd needs a special mode for transparent http proxy. Perhaps someone has an enhanced one that does this already? I noticed that ipfilter has an transproxy add-on (see ports). Now we just need something for ipfw + natd. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | > |http://www.gsoft.com.au | > |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| > |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 7 18:18:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08233 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:18:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.atipa.com (altrox.atipa.com [208.128.22.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA08187 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:18:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail 14760 invoked by uid 1017); 8 Apr 1998 00:15:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:15:58 -0600 (MDT) From: Atipa To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sysintstall probing hosed on -STABLE? In-Reply-To: <19142.891997582@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Hmmm. How are these IDE drives connected? In any order. I thought I had bad disks (or non-cooperating), so I tried every combination possible. I wasted lots o' time :(... I finally waited the 3 minutes to get an error message, but none came; it was fine! If I had been patient the first time, I am sure it would have worked too. Tried w/ 1 drive, 2 drives (MASTER/SLAVE and also 1MASTER/2MASTER). Kevin > > I am installing STABLE (SNAP 0404), and everytime sysinstall starts up on > > boot, it takes over 3 minutes to get through the 'Probing devices, please > > wait...' screen. > > > > This as been on 2 totally different machines. What the do have in common: > > Fujitsu IDE hard drives, Adaptec SCSI cards (removing does not change > > anything), and Award BIOS for PPro. Different mobos (one AT, other ATX; > > one Gigabyte, one ASUS). > > > > Anyone else find this behavior? Everything runs fine after it times out or > > whatever. The whole time the hard drives sound like you are doing a > > 'find /usr/ports' :) > > > > Kevin > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 7 18:22:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09759 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:22:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA09579; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:21:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19308; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:20:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Atipa cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sysintstall probing hosed on -STABLE? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 07 Apr 1998 18:15:58 MDT." Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 18:20:49 -0700 Message-ID: <19305.891998449@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hmmmm. This is very odd - I can't think of any reason why it would wait, nor does it wait anywhere near that long on my 2 IDE/1 SCSI drive spambox. Hmmmmm. *shug*? :-) Jordan > > > > Hmmm. How are these IDE drives connected? > > In any order. I thought I had bad disks (or non-cooperating), so I tried > every combination possible. I wasted lots o' time :(... > > I finally waited the 3 minutes to get an error message, but none came; it > was fine! If I had been patient the first time, I am sure it would have > worked too. > > Tried w/ 1 drive, 2 drives (MASTER/SLAVE and also 1MASTER/2MASTER). > > Kevin > > > > I am installing STABLE (SNAP 0404), and everytime sysinstall starts up on > > > boot, it takes over 3 minutes to get through the 'Probing devices, please > > > wait...' screen. > > > > > > This as been on 2 totally different machines. What the do have in common: > > > Fujitsu IDE hard drives, Adaptec SCSI cards (removing does not change > > > anything), and Award BIOS for PPro. Different mobos (one AT, other ATX; > > > one Gigabyte, one ASUS). > > > > > > Anyone else find this behavior? Everything runs fine after it times out o r > > > whatever. The whole time the hard drives sound like you are doing a > > > 'find /usr/ports' :) > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 7 18:48:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14300 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:48:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wankers.net (root@host-32-96-41-113.atl.bellsouth.net [32.96.41.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14222; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:47:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Received: from localhost (dex@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wankers.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA04382; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 21:47:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 21:47:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Dexnation Holodream X-Sender: dex@localhost To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Atipa , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sysintstall probing hosed on -STABLE? In-Reply-To: <19305.891998449@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I've seen similar things...try configuring your kernel only for present controllers and drives. -Jon On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Hmmmm. This is very odd - I can't think of any reason why it would > wait, nor does it wait anywhere near that long on my 2 IDE/1 SCSI > drive spambox. > > Hmmmmm. *shug*? :-) > > Jordan > > > > > > > Hmmm. How are these IDE drives connected? > > > > In any order. I thought I had bad disks (or non-cooperating), so I tried > > every combination possible. I wasted lots o' time :(... > > > > I finally waited the 3 minutes to get an error message, but none came; it > > was fine! If I had been patient the first time, I am sure it would have > > worked too. > > > > Tried w/ 1 drive, 2 drives (MASTER/SLAVE and also 1MASTER/2MASTER). > > > > Kevin > > > > > > I am installing STABLE (SNAP 0404), and everytime sysinstall starts up on > > > > boot, it takes over 3 minutes to get through the 'Probing devices, please > > > > wait...' screen. > > > > > > > > This as been on 2 totally different machines. What the do have in common: > > > > Fujitsu IDE hard drives, Adaptec SCSI cards (removing does not change > > > > anything), and Award BIOS for PPro. Different mobos (one AT, other ATX; > > > > one Gigabyte, one ASUS). > > > > > > > > Anyone else find this behavior? Everything runs fine after it times out o > r > > > > whatever. The whole time the hard drives sound like you are doing a > > > > 'find /usr/ports' :) > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 7 18:53:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA15667 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:53:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from euthyphro.uchicago.edu (euthyphro.uchicago.edu [128.135.21.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15654 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:53:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sfarrell@phaedrus.uchicago.edu) Received: from phaedrus.uchicago.edu (phaedrus [128.135.21.10]) by euthyphro.uchicago.edu (8.8.6/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA12178 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:53:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from sfarrell@localhost) by phaedrus.uchicago.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) id UAA00603; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:53:20 -0500 (CDT) To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sysintstall probing hosed on -STABLE? References: <19305.891998449@time.cdrom.com> From: sfarrell+lists@farrell.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 07 Apr 1998 20:53:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message of "Tue, 07 Apr 1998 18:20:49 -0700" Message-ID: <877m512i5r.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.3/XEmacs 20.3 - "Vatican City" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > Hmmmm. This is very odd - I can't think of any reason why it would > wait, nor does it wait anywhere near that long on my 2 IDE/1 SCSI > drive spambox. > > Hmmmmm. *shug*? :-) Speaking of which... on mine it waits about 30-60 seconds probing the ide CDROM... which i've ignored for ages (i.e., this is not new behavior). Is there any way to speed this up? -- Steve Farrell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 7 18:57:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA16977 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:57:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.atipa.com (altrox.atipa.com [208.128.22.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA16888 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:57:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail 14951 invoked by uid 1017); 8 Apr 1998 00:54:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:54:36 -0600 (MDT) From: Atipa To: Dexnation Holodream cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sysintstall probing hosed on -STABLE? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk All I had enabled were Floppy controller, 1 or both IDE controllers, lpt0, sio1, syscons, etc., and the PCI. No ISA drivers (except FD and I/O). Was doing reinstall of FreeBSD; these machine both had FreeBSD on them already, and I had no problems then. Kevin On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Dexnation Holodream wrote: > I've seen similar things...try configuring your kernel only for present > controllers and drives. > > -Jon > > On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Hmmmm. This is very odd - I can't think of any reason why it would > > wait, nor does it wait anywhere near that long on my 2 IDE/1 SCSI > > drive spambox. > > > > Hmmmmm. *shug*? :-) > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm. How are these IDE drives connected? > > > > > > In any order. I thought I had bad disks (or non-cooperating), so I tried > > > every combination possible. I wasted lots o' time :(... > > > > > > I finally waited the 3 minutes to get an error message, but none came; it > > > was fine! If I had been patient the first time, I am sure it would have > > > worked too. > > > > > > Tried w/ 1 drive, 2 drives (MASTER/SLAVE and also 1MASTER/2MASTER). > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > I am installing STABLE (SNAP 0404), and everytime sysinstall starts up on > > > > > boot, it takes over 3 minutes to get through the 'Probing devices, please > > > > > wait...' screen. > > > > > > > > > > This as been on 2 totally different machines. What the do have in common: > > > > > Fujitsu IDE hard drives, Adaptec SCSI cards (removing does not change > > > > > anything), and Award BIOS for PPro. Different mobos (one AT, other ATX; > > > > > one Gigabyte, one ASUS). > > > > > > > > > > Anyone else find this behavior? Everything runs fine after it times out o > > r > > > > > whatever. The whole time the hard drives sound like you are doing a > > > > > 'find /usr/ports' :) > > > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 7 19:03:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA18659 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:03:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wankers.net (root@host-32-96-41-113.atl.bellsouth.net [32.96.41.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA18527 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:02:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Received: from localhost (dex@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wankers.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA04498; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:02:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:02:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Dexnation Holodream X-Sender: dex@localhost To: Atipa cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sysintstall probing hosed on -STABLE? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I've seen it still take forever to detect the ide stuff if the chains aren't full. that's what I've seen on 3 machines, so far that I've had it on. -Jon On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Atipa wrote: > > All I had enabled were Floppy controller, 1 or both IDE controllers, lpt0, > sio1, syscons, etc., and the PCI. No ISA drivers (except FD and I/O). > > Was doing reinstall of FreeBSD; these machine both had FreeBSD on them > already, and I had no problems then. > > Kevin > > > On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Dexnation Holodream wrote: > > > I've seen similar things...try configuring your kernel only for present > > controllers and drives. > > > > -Jon > > > > On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > > Hmmmm. This is very odd - I can't think of any reason why it would > > > wait, nor does it wait anywhere near that long on my 2 IDE/1 SCSI > > > drive spambox. > > > > > > Hmmmmm. *shug*? :-) > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm. How are these IDE drives connected? > > > > > > > > In any order. I thought I had bad disks (or non-cooperating), so I tried > > > > every combination possible. I wasted lots o' time :(... > > > > > > > > I finally waited the 3 minutes to get an error message, but none came; it > > > > was fine! If I had been patient the first time, I am sure it would have > > > > worked too. > > > > > > > > Tried w/ 1 drive, 2 drives (MASTER/SLAVE and also 1MASTER/2MASTER). > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > I am installing STABLE (SNAP 0404), and everytime sysinstall starts up on > > > > > > boot, it takes over 3 minutes to get through the 'Probing devices, please > > > > > > wait...' screen. > > > > > > > > > > > > This as been on 2 totally different machines. What the do have in common: > > > > > > Fujitsu IDE hard drives, Adaptec SCSI cards (removing does not change > > > > > > anything), and Award BIOS for PPro. Different mobos (one AT, other ATX; > > > > > > one Gigabyte, one ASUS). > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone else find this behavior? Everything runs fine after it times out o > > > r > > > > > > whatever. The whole time the hard drives sound like you are doing a > > > > > > 'find /usr/ports' :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 7 19:12:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA20955 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:12:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.scitec.com.au (firewall-user@fgate.scitec.com.au [203.17.180.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA20628 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:10:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john.saunders@scitec.com.au) Received: by firewall.scitec.com.au; id MAA22722; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:10:30 +1000 (EST) Received: from mailhub.scitec.com.au(203.17.180.131) by fgate.scitec.com.au via smap (3.2) id xma022709; Wed, 8 Apr 98 12:10:07 +1000 Received: from hydra.scitec.com.au (hydra.scitec.com.au [203.17.182.101]) by mailhub.scitec.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA02404; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:09:58 +1000 Received: from scitec.com.au (saruman.scitec.com.au) by hydra.scitec.com.au with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA160031397; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:09:57 +1000 Message-Id: <352ADC74.674C6B22@scitec.com.au> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 12:09:56 +1000 From: John Saunders Organization: SCITEC LIMITED X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sfarrell+lists@farrell.org Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sysintstall probing hosed on -STABLE? References: <19305.891998449@time.cdrom.com> <877m512i5r.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk sfarrell+lists@farrell.org wrote: > "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > > Hmmmm. This is very odd - I can't think of any reason why it would > > wait, nor does it wait anywhere near that long on my 2 IDE/1 SCSI > > drive spambox. > > > > Hmmmmm. *shug*? :-) > > Speaking of which... on mine it waits about 30-60 seconds probing the > ide CDROM... which i've ignored for ages (i.e., this is not new > behavior). Is there any way to speed this up? Yeah. I have 2 machines. One machine is configured as... IDE drive on primary as master IDE drive on secondary as master IDE CDROM on secondary as slave This machine flys through the IDE probing which is great. My other machine is configured as... IDE drive on primary as master IDE CDROM on secondary as master I used to wait about 60 seconds for the probing until I patched wd.c to reduce the timeouts. If I make the CDROM a slave it doesn't get detected either. Take a look at /sys/i386/isa/wd.c. Near the top there are 2 #defines for TIMEOUT and RETRIES. You can play with these a bit to make the probe not so painful. However don't cut them too short or it will stop detecting your drives altogether. Also keep a copying of the pre-patched kernel around just in case :) Cheers. -- +------------------------------------------------------------+ . | John Saunders mailto:John.Saunders@scitec.com.au (Work) | ,--_|\ | mailto:john@nlc.net.au (Home) | / Oz \ | http://www.nlc.net.au/~john/ | \_,--\_/ | SCITEC LIMITED Phone +61 2 9428 9563 Fax +61 2 9428 9933 | v | "By the time you make ends meet, they move the ends." | +------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 7 19:27:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA24594 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:27:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coal.sentex.ca (coal.sentex.ca [209.112.4.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA24175 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:25:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from gravel (ospf-mdt.sentex.net [205.211.164.81]) by coal.sentex.ca (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA15217; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:25:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980407221421.026fe1d0@sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@sentex.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 22:14:21 -0400 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Atipa From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: Sysintstall probing hosed on -STABLE? Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19305.891998449@time.cdrom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 06:20 PM 4/07/98 -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >Hmmmm. This is very odd - I can't think of any reason why it would >wait, nor does it wait anywhere near that long on my 2 IDE/1 SCSI >drive spambox. I had the exact same problem which I reported the day 2.2.6 was released. Subject: boot disk gets stuck probing wd0 with 2.2.6 floppy I think it had something to do with the way my disk was partitioned. It was a late releng22 install. I got around the problem by blowing away the partition by fdisking it to a DOS partition. Then, the sysinstall probe worked fine with my hardware. Below is what is hopefully enough info to start on. Here is the text of my original post. I dont know if its just my wonky hardware or not, but I downloaded the new 2.2.6 boot floppy with the intention of upgrading my stable box to the release version. All seems to boot fine, but when it goes to the "probing devices", the system seems to get stuck in a loop. When I booted with the -v, the message that keeps coming up forever is wd0s1: type 0xa5, Start 63, end=4124705, size 4124673:OK When I boot the old system, here is all the hardware info FreeBSD 2.2-980304-SNAP #0: Wed Mar 18 13:22:30 EST 1998 mdtancsa@sand2.sentex.ca:/usr/src/sys/compile/sand2 CPU: i486DX (486-class CPU) real memory = 50331648 (49152K bytes) avail memory = 46612480 (45520K bytes) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: vga0 rev 20 int a irq ?? on pci0:12 wdc0 rev 2 int a irq 14 on pci0:15 chip0 rev 1 on pci0:16 chip1 rev 1 on pci0:18 Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0 at 0x300-0x31f irq 9 on isa ed0: address 00:40:33:33:f8:ee, type NE2000 (16 bit) sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A sio2 at 0x3e8-0x3ef irq 5 on isa sio2: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: CMD640B workaround enabled wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 2014MB (4124736 sectors), 4092 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, logging limited to 10000 packets/entry % mount /dev/wd0a on / (local) /dev/wd0s1f on /usr (asynchronous, local, noatime) /dev/wd0s1e on /var (asynchronous, local, noatime) # /dev/rwd0c: type: ESDI disk: wd0s1 label: flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 63 tracks/cylinder: 192 sectors/cylinder: 12096 cylinders: 340 sectors/unit: 4124673 rpm: 3600 interleave: 1 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 143360 0 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 11*) b: 393216 143360 swap # (Cyl. 11*- 44*) c: 4124673 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 340*) e: 409600 536576 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 44*- 78*) f: 3178497 946176 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 78*- 340*) sand2# fdisk wd0 ******* Working on device /dev/rwd0 ******* parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: cylinders=341 heads=192 sectors/track=63 (12096 blks/cyl) parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: cylinders=341 heads=192 sectors/track=63 (12096 blks/cyl) Media sector size is 512 Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 Information from DOS bootblock is: The data for partition 1 is: sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) start 63, size 4124673 (2014 Meg), flag 80 beg: cyl 0/ sector 1/ head 1; end: cyl 340/ sector 63/ head 191 The data for partition 2 is: The data for partition 3 is: The data for partition 4 is: ********************************************************************** Mike Tancsa (mike@sentex.net) * To do is to be -- Nietzsche Sentex Communications Corp, * To be is to do -- Sartre Cambridge, Ontario * Do be do be do -- Sinatra (http://www.sentex.net/~mdtancsa) * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 7 21:12:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA09296 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 21:12:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from northwest.com (root@port43.northwest.com [204.119.42.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA09280 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 21:12:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stevemw@northwest.com) Received: from fuji (stevemw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by northwest.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA12570; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:10:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stevemw@fuji) Message-Id: <199804070410.VAA12570@northwest.com> To: Dexnation Holodream cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: a really silly question In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 07 Apr 1998 17:36:54 EDT." Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 21:10:50 -0700 From: Stephen Wynne Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message , Dexnation Holodream writes: hey...I have the Sun JDK, which naturally won't work on FBSD...but I've heard that there IS a FBSD JDK...where is it? Jon, Check out http://www.freebsd.org/java. There are links there to a couple of different builds. They rock. Also, they're easy to build yourself, with the diffs provided in another link there, if you have the internal source license from Sun :-) Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 7 22:54:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA23416 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:54:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (antipodes.cdrom.com [204.216.27.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA23392 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:54:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA00284; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804080335.UAA00284@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Jeays, Mike" cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: ATAPI devices - more problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 07 Apr 1998 09:21:00 EDT." <199804071238.IAA26985@smtpsha.statcan.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 20:35:40 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > I can only get an ATAPI device (CD-ROM or Zip drive) to work if it is the > only device on an IDE controller. If I put two ATAPI devices on the same > controller, "mount" hangs, and causes the entire system to crash if I try a > second time. This appears to be a feature of some CDROM-Zip combinations. I've both personally and in reports seen Zip and CDROM drives running happily side-by-side. It would be fair to say that this highlights defects in our current ATAPI support. > I cannot get either ATAPI device to work as a slave to an IDE drive. Again, I can do both here, on a considerable range of systems, with all of the IDE and ATAPI devices available to me. If you are looking for a kludge solution, you might want to try putting the Zip on another IDE channel, off a Soundblaster card or a (relatively) cheap PCI IDE adapter. Sorry we can't offer you more meaningful assistance. 8( -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 7 22:56:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA23995 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:56:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (antipodes.cdrom.com [204.216.27.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA23962; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:56:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA00235; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:22:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804080322.UAA00235@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Atipa , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sysintstall probing hosed on -STABLE? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 07 Apr 1998 18:20:49 PDT." <19305.891998449@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 20:22:19 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Does the 2.2.6 installer do the same thing? I cycled through quite a few hardware combos on an Award P6 board (Gigabyte), mostly with SCSI disk, but a couple of cycles on IDE too. The probe process should normally only take a few seconds (maybe 10-15 on a '486). Wait a second - you say the disk is chugging away - is this *after* an installation, running /stand/sysinstall? If so, check the console to see if you aren't getting a ridiculous number of error messages. The 'wfd' driver in particular is a culprit here. If not, then it's possible that your disk is behaving oddly when sysinstall tries to open it to see if it's there, which would explain the chugging noises. Have you tried a different disk model? I've never worked with a Fujitsu IDE, so I'm completely unaware of any quirks they might have. > Hmmmm. This is very odd - I can't think of any reason why it would > wait, nor does it wait anywhere near that long on my 2 IDE/1 SCSI > drive spambox. > > Hmmmmm. *shug*? :-) > > Jordan > > > > > > > Hmmm. How are these IDE drives connected? > > > > In any order. I thought I had bad disks (or non-cooperating), so I tried > > every combination possible. I wasted lots o' time :(... > > > > I finally waited the 3 minutes to get an error message, but none came; it > > was fine! If I had been patient the first time, I am sure it would have > > worked too. > > > > Tried w/ 1 drive, 2 drives (MASTER/SLAVE and also 1MASTER/2MASTER). > > > > Kevin > > > > > > I am installing STABLE (SNAP 0404), and everytime sysinstall starts up on > > > > boot, it takes over 3 minutes to get through the 'Probing devices, please > > > > wait...' screen. > > > > > > > > This as been on 2 totally different machines. What the do have in common: > > > > Fujitsu IDE hard drives, Adaptec SCSI cards (removing does not change > > > > anything), and Award BIOS for PPro. Different mobos (one AT, other ATX; > > > > one Gigabyte, one ASUS). > > > > > > > > Anyone else find this behavior? Everything runs fine after it times out o > r > > > > whatever. The whole time the hard drives sound like you are doing a > > > > 'find /usr/ports' :) > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 7 23:16:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25545 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:16:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA25520 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:15:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yMo8j-0005lP-00; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:15:17 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:15:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Mike Smith cc: "Jeays, Mike" , freebsd-stable Subject: Re: ATAPI devices - more problems In-Reply-To: <199804080335.UAA00284@antipodes.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > I can only get an ATAPI device (CD-ROM or Zip drive) to work if it is the > > only device on an IDE controller. If I put two ATAPI devices on the same > > controller, "mount" hangs, and causes the entire system to crash if I try a > > second time. > > This appears to be a feature of some CDROM-Zip combinations. I've > both personally and in reports seen Zip and CDROM drives running > happily side-by-side. It would be fair to say that this highlights > defects in our current ATAPI support. Could it not be IDE chipset issue? Perhaps type of motherboard is relevant? It wouldn't be the first time broken IDE chips have been put on motherboards (ex. CMD640). Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 8 00:20:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA05895 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 00:20:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns2.x-link.ml.org (ns2.x-link.ml.org [163.195.1.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA05623 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 00:18:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swhite@gov.za) Received: from localhost (swhite@localhost) by ns2.x-link.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA20021; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:00:58 +0200 (SAT) (envelope-from swhite@gov.za) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:00:58 +0200 (SAT) From: S White X-Sender: swhite@ns2.x-link.ml.org To: Tom cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , Ruslan Ermilov , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Simple IPFW question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Tom wrote: > In httpd acceleration mode, squid is designed to accelerate access to a > particular http server which you must define: > > # If you want to run squid as an httpd accelerator, define the > # host name and port number where the real HTTP server is. Squid can also act as a transparent proxy for multiple web servers quite happily with some tweaking. Been there, done that, love the T-shirt... # TAG: httpd_accel_uses_host_header # HTTP/1.1 requests include a Host: header which is basically the # hostname from the URL. Squid can be an accelerator for # different HTTP servers by looking at this header. However, # Squid does NOT check the value of the Host header, so it opens # a big security hole. We recommend that this option remain # disabled unless you are sure of what you are doing. # httpd_accel_uses_host_header on Since this isn't really a -stable issue, this will be my first and last posting to the list on this issue... we can take it elsewhere if desired. *grin* Regards, - Sean. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 8 00:30:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA07985 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 00:30:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from btp1da.phy.uni-bayreuth.de (btp1da.phy.uni-bayreuth.de [132.180.20.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA07879 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 00:30:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from werner@btp1da.phy.uni-bayreuth.de) Received: (from werner@localhost) by btp1da.phy.uni-bayreuth.de (8.8.8/8.7.3) id JAA27070; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:30:04 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199804071238.IAA26985@smtpsha.statcan.ca> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:30:03 +0200 (MEST) Organization: university of bayreuth From: Werner Griessl To: "Jeays, Mike" Subject: RE: ATAPI devices - more problems Cc: freebsd-stable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On 07-Apr-98 Jeays, Mike wrote: > > Thanks to those who have helped me in getting an Iomega ATAPI Zip drive to > work. After a weekend of experiments with a fresh 2.2.6 installation, I > found the following: > > I can only get an ATAPI device (CD-ROM or Zip drive) to work if it is the > only device on an IDE controller. If I put two ATAPI devices on the same > controller, "mount" hangs, and causes the entire system to crash if I try a > second time. > > I cannot get either ATAPI device to work as a slave to an IDE drive. > FreeBSD doesn't see them. I haven't tried with the ATAPI drive as master > and the IDE disk as slave; I ran out of patience, and it would not solve my > problem of configuring two IDE drives and the two ATAPI devices. > > In each configuration, the drives were correctly identified in the "dmesg" > listing at boot time. > > On the positive side, the Zip drive by itself functions very well, either > with an MS-DOS file system, or with a UFS. > > This was done on a 48MB Pentium 120, with a motherboard by Gigabyte. > > Finally, all the configurations I tried worked flawlessly under Win 95, > which configured itself correctly and automatically. I hate to admit they > have done quite a good job here... > > I could summarize the instructions for setting up the Zip drive as an SGML > section for the handbook if anyone is interested, although it would almost > all be from information supplied by others. I expect the LS120 is very > similar. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Werner Griessl Date: 08-Apr-98 Time: 09:26:26 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- Do you have mfs in your kernel ? Had similar problems in the past with a mfs-tmp . Werner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 8 01:14:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14782 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 01:14:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from buffy.tpgi.com.au (buffy.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA14747 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 01:14:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eirvine@tpgi.com.au) Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by buffy.tpgi.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA00260; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:10:00 +1000 Received: from tar-ppp-160.tpgi.com.au(203.26.26.160), claiming to be "gretchen" via SMTP by buffy.tpgi.com.au, id smtpda00207; Wed Apr 8 18:09:56 1998 From: "Eddie Irvine" To: "James A. Mutter" , "Rich Winkel" Cc: Subject: Re: FBSD Netscape 4.05 & Java & SCSI vs IDE Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:13:05 +1000 Message-ID: <01bd62c6$281121e0$a01a1acb@gretchen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> >From my limited experience with two ide pentium machines and multitudes >> of scsi pentium machines, netscape only crashes when attempting >> to run java on machines with scsi controllers. Machines with ide >> have no problem. >> Is this consistent with others' experiences? >Nope, I've managed to crash it plenty on this IDE macine. Me too. In fact, Netscape is the ONLY program that crashes for me on FreeBSD. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 8 01:22:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA16468 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 01:22:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from buffy.tpgi.com.au (buffy.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA16462 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 01:22:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eirvine@tpgi.com.au) Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by buffy.tpgi.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA02621 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:23:15 +1000 Received: from tar-ppp-160.tpgi.com.au(203.26.26.160), claiming to be "gretchen" via SMTP by buffy.tpgi.com.au, id smtpda02609; Wed Apr 8 18:23:09 1998 From: "Eddie Irvine" To: Subject: A new Bug with FreeBSD? Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:26:32 +1000 Message-ID: <01bd62c8$0905d3c0$a01a1acb@gretchen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi I'm running FreeBSD 2.2 Stable and am wondering if this is a bug I should report. Perhaps someone would like to try and duplicate it? You will need "elm" and the editor "ee" on your system, as well as a telnet client on a PC or a Mac. Telnet to FBSD as an ordinary user. Set up "ee" as your default editor in .profile enter elm, and start to edit a new mail message. Your screen editor should be "ee". Do not leave the editor in the normal way. Instead, just rudely quit the telnet session. (eg: File->Quit). Go to the console and run "top". top should show the "ee" process still active, using up 95% of CPU time. Now go to your ethernet hub. It should show a whole heap of activity - much more than normal. I presume this shouldn't happen on a Unix system - all processes should be children of the logged in user, and thus should get KILL'ed when the user exits, no matter how they exit. Eddie. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 8 01:41:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA21038 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 01:41:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from daffy.online.barbour-index.co.uk (daffy-pipex.online.barbour-index.co.uk [194.129.192.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA21003 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 01:41:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scot@planet-three.com) Received: from Jupiter.planet-three.com (jupiter.planet-three.com [195.171.203.100]) by daffy.online.barbour-index.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18173; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:41:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by Jupiter.planet-three.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA07651; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:41:15 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from scot@planet-three.com) X-Authentication-Warning: Jupiter.planet-three.com: scot owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:41:14 +0100 (BST) From: Scot Elliott To: Eddie Irvine cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A new Bug with FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <01bd62c8$0905d3c0$a01a1acb@gretchen> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I assume this is because the process blocks HUP signals, and ends up reading a device which gives it endless amounts of input when the user quits; I find this happens quite a lot, especially with X-apps like Netscape and XEmacs, and expecially with pine. I do seem to remember there being a port or package to help kill a users' processes when this happens. Scot. On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, Eddie Irvine wrote: > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:26:32 +1000 > From: Eddie Irvine > To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: A new Bug with FreeBSD? > > > Hi > > I'm running FreeBSD 2.2 Stable and am wondering > if this is a bug I should report. Perhaps someone > would like to try and duplicate it? > > You will need "elm" and the editor "ee" on > your system, as well as a telnet client on a > PC or a Mac. > > Telnet to FBSD as an ordinary user. > > Set up "ee" as your default editor in .profile > > enter elm, and start to edit a new mail message. > Your screen editor should be "ee". > > Do not leave the editor in the normal way. > Instead, just rudely quit the telnet session. > (eg: File->Quit). > > Go to the console and run "top". > > top should show the "ee" process still active, > using up 95% of CPU time. Now go to your > ethernet hub. It should show a whole heap > of activity - much more than normal. > > I presume this shouldn't happen on a Unix system - > all processes should be children of the logged in > user, and thus should get KILL'ed when the user > exits, no matter how they exit. > > > Eddie. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott (scot@poptart.org) | Work: +44 (0)171 7046777 PGP fingerprint: FCAE9ED3A234FEB59F8C7F9DDD112D | Home: +44 (0)181 8961019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 8 04:06:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA11555 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 04:06:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA11529; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 04:06:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA18316; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:01:27 +1000 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:01:27 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199804081101.VAA18316@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: eirvine@tpgi.com.au, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A new Bug with FreeBSD? Cc: ache@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >I'm running FreeBSD 2.2 Stable and am wondering >if this is a bug I should report. Perhaps someone >would like to try and duplicate it? > >You will need "elm" and the editor "ee" on >your system, as well as a telnet client on a >PC or a Mac. A standard FreeBSD setup on one system suffices, at least in -current. >Telnet to FBSD as an ordinary user. Or telnet to localhost. >Set up "ee" as your default editor in .profile Or set it on the command line. >enter elm, and start to edit a new mail message. >Your screen editor should be "ee". Or use /usr/bin/mail... >Do not leave the editor in the normal way. >Instead, just rudely quit the telnet session. >(eg: File->Quit). > >Go to the console and run "top". > >top should show the "ee" process still active, >using up 95% of CPU time. Now go to your >ethernet hub. It should show a whole heap >of activity - much more than normal. This is a special case of an old problem. Here it is caused by a bug in libncurses: --- static inline int fifo_push() { int n; unsigned char ch; if (tail == -1) return ERR; again: n = read(fileno(SP->_ifp), &ch, 1); if (n == -1 && errno == EINTR) goto again; T(("read %d characters", n)); SP->_fifo[tail] = ch; if (head == -1) head = tail; t_inc(); T(("pushed %d at %d", ch, tail)); fifo_dump(); return ch; } --- This is inlined in wgetch(). It returns a garbage value for both types of EOF (n == 0, and n == -1 && errno != EINTR). >I presume this shouldn't happen on a Unix system - >all processes should be children of the logged in >user, and thus should get KILL'ed when the user >exits, no matter how they exit. Not in POSIX.1-1990. Killing is associated with exit() of controlling processes (telnet in this case). SIGHUP is sent to each process in the _foreground_ process group of the controlling terminal of the controlling process, and if exit of the controlling process causes a process group to become orphaned and any member in the newly orphaned process group is stopped, than a SIGHUP followed by a SIGCONT is sent to every process in the newly orphaned process group here. I'm not sure of the details here, but this normally results in propagation of SIGHUP being limited to one or two levels of the process tree - shells propagate it, but mail programs don't. Death of the controlling terminal results in reads on the c.t. returning -1/EIO (the more usual 0 is not returned due to a kernel bug), and interactive processes should exit when they read -1 or 0 on stdin or /dev/tty. libncurses has perfectly broken handling of both types of EOF, so programs that use it usually spin when the controlling terminal goes away. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 8 04:42:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA19869 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 04:42:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ptd.net (srv1.ptd.net [204.186.0.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA19864 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 04:42:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nickf@ptd.net) Received: (qmail 10952 invoked from network); 8 Apr 1998 11:42:14 -0000 Received: from cs3-7.pot.ptd.net (HELO ranger.nick.net) (204.186.34.39) by postoffice.ptd.net with SMTP; 8 Apr 1998 11:42:14 -0000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:42:20 -0400 Message-ID: <01BD62C1.DC797740.nickf@ptd.net> From: Nick Folino To: "'Atipa'" Cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: RE: Sysintstall probing hosed on -STABLE? Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:42:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Did you try disabling all the IDE ports that you're not using in the kernel? It's probably looking for a nonexistant drive. --------------------------------------------------------------- I am the Nickhead nickf@ptd.net --------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Atipa [SMTP:freebsd@atipa.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 8:16 PM To: Jordan K. Hubbard Cc: Jordan K. Hubbard; freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sysintstall probing hosed on -STABLE? > Hmmm. How are these IDE drives connected? In any order. I thought I had bad disks (or non-cooperating), so I tried every combination possible. I wasted lots o' time :(... I finally waited the 3 minutes to get an error message, but none came; it was fine! If I had been patient the first time, I am sure it would have worked too. Tried w/ 1 drive, 2 drives (MASTER/SLAVE and also 1MASTER/2MASTER). Kevin > > I am installing STABLE (SNAP 0404), and everytime sysinstall starts up on > > boot, it takes over 3 minutes to get through the 'Probing devices, please > > wait...' screen. > > > > This as been on 2 totally different machines. What the do have in common: > > Fujitsu IDE hard drives, Adaptec SCSI cards (removing does not change > > anything), and Award BIOS for PPro. Different mobos (one AT, other ATX; > > one Gigabyte, one ASUS). > > > > Anyone else find this behavior? Everything runs fine after it times out or > > whatever. The whole time the hard drives sound like you are doing a > > 'find /usr/ports' :) > > > > Kevin > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 8 05:17:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA24719 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:17:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cgi.sstar.com (cgi.sstar.com [204.27.72.160]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA24714 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:17:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim.king@mail.sstar.com) Received: from jim-home (p43.sstar.com [204.27.72.75]) by cgi.sstar.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA14809 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:17:01 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jim.king@mail.sstar.com) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980408071700.007060d0@mail.sstar.com> X-Sender: jim.king@mail.sstar.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 07:17:00 -0500 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Jim King Subject: Re: ATAPI devices - more problems In-Reply-To: References: <199804080335.UAA00284@antipodes.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 11:15 PM 4/7/98 -0700, Tom wrote: > >On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > >> > >> > I can only get an ATAPI device (CD-ROM or Zip drive) to work if it is the >> > only device on an IDE controller. If I put two ATAPI devices on the same >> > controller, "mount" hangs, and causes the entire system to crash if I try a >> > second time. >> >> This appears to be a feature of some CDROM-Zip combinations. I've >> both personally and in reports seen Zip and CDROM drives running >> happily side-by-side. It would be fair to say that this highlights >> defects in our current ATAPI support. > > Could it not be IDE chipset issue? Perhaps type of motherboard is >relevant? It wouldn't be the first time broken IDE chips have been put on >motherboards (ex. CMD640). On a system with a 440FX motherboard (Micron Millenia Pro) I have an IDE Zip and CDROM on the secondary IDE channel. If I try to mount a CDROM the system is hosed. I hope this isn't a chipset issue - it seems like it would be most embarrassing if we didn't work with PIIX3. Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 8 05:26:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA25657 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:26:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (pechter@shell.monmouth.com [205.231.236.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA25649 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:26:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pechter@shell.monmouth.com) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id IAA09237 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:24:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199804081224.IAA09237@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: XFree86 or FreeBSD problem To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:24:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Folks I just upgraded FreeBSD 2.2.6-Beta to 2.2.6 and added the latest XFree86 3.3.2 (XFree86 is using either S3 or SVGA drivers on this S3 Trio 64 card). I get the following message out of dmesg with Netscape v3.0.4. Any suggestions (the first failure is with SVGA, the second with S3). I don't see any SCSI errors reported to suspect disk swap problems. swap_pager: I/O error - pagein failed; blkno 18176, size 24576, error 0 vm_fault: pager input (probably hardware) error, PID 463 failure pid 463 (X), uid 0: exited on signal 6 pid 470 (fvwm95), uid 405: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) swap_pager: I/O error - pagein failed; blkno 17368, size 12288, error 0 vm_fault: pager input (probably hardware) error, PID 505 failure pid 505 (X), uid 0: exited on signal 6 swap_pager: I/O error - pagein failed; blkno 18080, size 16384, error 0 vm_fault: pager input (probably hardware) error, PID 582 failure pid 582 (X), uid 0: exited on signal 6 Bill +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Bill/Carolyn Pechter | 17 Meredith Drive | Tinton Falls, New Jersey 07724 | | 908-389-3592 | Save computing history, give an old geek old hardware. | | pechter@shell.monmouth.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 8 06:07:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA00475 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:07:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zaz.kom.auc.dk (root@zaz.kom.auc.dk [130.225.51.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA00468 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:06:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aneks@kom.auc.dk) Received: from wartburg.kom.auc.dk [130.225.51.19] (root) by zaz.kom.auc.dk with smtp (Exim 1.80 #1) id 0yMuYw-0005i6-00; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:06:46 +0200 Received: from aneks by wartburg.kom.auc.dk with local (Exim 1.80 #1) id 0yMuYv-0002j0-00; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:06:45 +0200 From: Arne Norre Ekstroem To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Sysintstall probing hosed on -STABLE? In-Reply-To: <01BD62C1.DC797740.nickf@ptd.net> References: <01BD62C1.DC797740.nickf@ptd.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under Emacs 20.2.2 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:06:45 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Nick" == Nick Folino writes: Nick> Did you try disabling all the IDE ports that you're not using in Nick> the kernel? It's probably looking for a nonexistant drive. Since I am only running a 2.2.6-R machine, this might be out of place, but anyway: I have only one IDE HD installed in the machine, and a matching entry in the kernel, alo I have an ATAPI CDROM Drive. I'm running on a 300MHz-PII, and when probing the IDE drives the machine waits for a very loooong time, even the SCSI business is done a lot faster. Kernel IDE-related output is: wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0x80ff80ff on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): , 32-bit, multi-block-16 wd0: 8063MB (16514064 sectors), 16383 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 on isa wdc1: unit 0 (atapi): , removable, dma, iordy wcd0: 4153Kb/sec, 120Kb cache, audio play, 255 volume levels, ejectable tray wcd0: no disc inside, unlocked \Arne Nick> --------------------------------------------------------------- I Nick> am the Nickhead nickf@ptd.net Nick> --------------------------------------------------------------- Nick> -----Original Message----- From: Atipa [SMTP:freebsd@atipa.com] Nick> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 8:16 PM To: Jordan K. Hubbard Cc: Nick> Jordan K. Hubbard; freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Nick> Sysintstall probing hosed on -STABLE? >> Hmmm. How are these IDE drives connected? Nick> In any order. I thought I had bad disks (or non-cooperating), so I Nick> tried every combination possible. I wasted lots o' time :(... Nick> I finally waited the 3 minutes to get an error message, but none Nick> came; it was fine! If I had been patient the first time, I am Nick> sure it would have worked too. Nick> Tried w/ 1 drive, 2 drives (MASTER/SLAVE and also Nick> 1MASTER/2MASTER). Nick> Kevin >> > I am installing STABLE (SNAP 0404), and everytime sysinstall starts >> up on > boot, it takes over 3 minutes to get through the 'Probing >> devices, please > wait...' screen. > > This as been on 2 totally >> different machines. What the do have in common: > Fujitsu IDE hard >> drives, Adaptec SCSI cards (removing does not change > anything), and >> Award BIOS for PPro. Different mobos (one AT, other ATX; > one >> Gigabyte, one ASUS). > > Anyone else find this behavior? Everything >> runs fine after it times out or > whatever. The whole time the hard >> drives sound like you are doing a > 'find /usr/ports' :) > > Kevin > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 8 06:50:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA04477 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:50:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA04364; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:50:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA25552; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:46:15 +1000 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:46:15 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199804081346.XAA25552@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, eirvine@tpgi.com.au, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A new Bug with FreeBSD? Cc: ache@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >>I presume this shouldn't happen on a Unix system - >>all processes should be children of the logged in >>user, and thus should get KILL'ed when the user >>exits, no matter how they exit. I wrote: >Not in POSIX.1-1990. Killing is associated with exit() of controlling >processes (telnet in this case). SIGHUP is sent to each process in the actually $SHELL >_foreground_ process group of the controlling terminal of the controlling >process, and if exit of the controlling process causes a process group >to become orphaned and any member in the newly orphaned process group is >stopped, than a SIGHUP followed by a SIGCONT is sent to every process in >the newly orphaned process group here. I'm not sure of the details here, >but this normally results in propagation of SIGHUP being limited to one >or two levels of the process tree - shells propagate it, but mail programs >don't. Death of the controlling terminal results in reads on the c.t. >returning -1/EIO (the more usual 0 is not returned due to a kernel bug), >and interactive processes should exit when they read -1 or 0 on stdin >or /dev/tty. libncurses has perfectly broken handling of both types of >EOF, so programs that use it usually spin when the controlling terminal >goes away. The bug is easier to demonstrate and the process groups are easier to follow using just $SHELL, mail and ee. Just run mail and invoke the editor; then kill the shell using another login. Before the shell is killed, `ps j -t vN' gives something like: USER PID PPID PGID SESS JOBC STAT TT TIME COMMAND bde 190 1 190 6fcf80 0 Is v1 0:00.22 -bash (bash) bde 460 190 460 6fcf80 1 I+ v1 0:00.02 mail bde 461 460 460 6fcf80 1 I+ v1 0:00.10 ee /tmp/ReCnm460 The foreground process group is 460, and ee is in it, so sending a SIGHUP to the foreground process group should work. However, killing the shell gives something like: USER PID PPID PGID SESS JOBC STAT TT TIME COMMAND bde 461 1 460 6fcf80 0 R v1- 0:17.20 ee /tmp/ReCnm460 root 485 1 485 746e00 0 Ss+ v1 0:00.02 /usr/libexec/getty Pc tt ee ignores SIGHUP: --- int main(argc, argv) /* beginning of main program */ int argc; char *argv[]; { int counter; for (counter = 1; counter < 24; counter++) signal(counter, SIG_IGN); --- There are almost 24 bugs here (one for each signal ignored). Some signals are handled better later, but SIGHUP isn't, and even if it were, an early SIGHUP would be lost. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 8 09:09:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA28181 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:09:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA28156 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:09:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yMxPo-0003Hk-00; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:09:32 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:09:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Eddie Irvine cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A new Bug with FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <01bd62c8$0905d3c0$a01a1acb@gretchen> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, Eddie Irvine wrote: > top should show the "ee" process still active, > using up 95% of CPU time. Now go to your > ethernet hub. It should show a whole heap > of activity - much more than normal. > > I presume this shouldn't happen on a Unix system - > all processes should be children of the logged in > user, and thus should get KILL'ed when the user > exits, no matter how they exit. No, this is an application bug. Applications are sent a HUP signal, which they could ignore. Then the application stupidly gets in a tight-loop reading from a non-existant connection. I normally would set a CPU time limit so broken applications like ee don't last that long. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 8 09:09:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA28289 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:09:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA28073 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:08:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yMxN5-00030z-00; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:06:43 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:06:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: S White cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , Ruslan Ermilov , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Simple IPFW question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, S White wrote: > On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Tom wrote: > > > In httpd acceleration mode, squid is designed to accelerate access to a > > particular http server which you must define: > > > > # If you want to run squid as an httpd accelerator, define the > > # host name and port number where the real HTTP server is. > > Squid can also act as a transparent proxy for multiple web servers quite > happily with some tweaking. Been there, done that, love the T-shirt... > > # TAG: httpd_accel_uses_host_header > # HTTP/1.1 requests include a Host: header which is basically the > # hostname from the URL. Squid can be an accelerator for > # different HTTP servers by looking at this header. However, > # Squid does NOT check the value of the Host header, so it opens > # a big security hole. We recommend that this option remain > # disabled unless you are sure of what you are doing. > # > httpd_accel_uses_host_header on > > Since this isn't really a -stable issue, this will be my first and last > posting to the list on this issue... we can take it elsewhere if desired. > *grin* But how did you convice FreeBSD ipfw/natd to intercept and divert http traffic to such a server? Also, a good number of clients are HTTP/1.1 yet, so it would be nice if the FreeBSD natd could add a Host: header to the request based on the destination IP. > Regards, > - Sean. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 8 09:21:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01719 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:21:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (passer.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.110.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01631 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:20:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cschuber@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.8/8.6.10) id JAA15416; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804081615.JAA15416@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> Received: from localhost(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "passer.osg.gov.bc.ca" via SMTP by localhost, id smtpdaaCwga; Wed Apr 8 09:15:48 1998 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 Reply-to: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-Sender: cschuber To: "Eddie Irvine" cc: "James A. Mutter" , "Rich Winkel" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FBSD Netscape 4.05 & Java & SCSI vs IDE In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 08 Apr 1998 18:13:05 +1000." <01bd62c6$281121e0$a01a1acb@gretchen> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:15:06 -0700 From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > >> >From my limited experience with two ide pentium machines and multitudes > >> of scsi pentium machines, netscape only crashes when attempting > >> to run java on machines with scsi controllers. Machines with ide > >> have no problem. > >> Is this consistent with others' experiences? > > >Nope, I've managed to crash it plenty on this IDE macine. > > > Me too. In fact, Netscape is the ONLY program that crashes for > me on FreeBSD. Netscape 4.x used to crash on FreeBSD and DEC UNIX. To fix it I did a ulimit -s SOME_VERY_LARGE_NUMBER. This did fix the FreeBSD Netscape crashes but did not fix it crashing under DEC UNIX. Another problem I see with Netscape for FreeBSD is if you have Java enabled and it is used during a session. Netscape will loop forever. You can "exit" Netscape and the window will disappear, however the process will continue to loop forever, keeping any sockets in a CLOSE_WAIT status. Only a kill -9 will kill it. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 UNIX Support OV/VM: BCSC02(CSCHUBER) ITSD BITNET: CSCHUBER@BCSC02.BITNET Government of BC Internet: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca Cy.Schubert@gems8.gov.bc.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 8 10:24:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16299 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:24:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.atipa.com (altrox.atipa.com [208.128.22.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA16239 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:23:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail 17060 invoked by uid 1017); 8 Apr 1998 16:21:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:21:25 -0600 (MDT) From: Atipa To: Mike Smith cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sysintstall probing hosed on -STABLE? In-Reply-To: <199804080322.UAA00235@antipodes.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > Does the 2.2.6 installer do the same thing? I cycled through quite a > few hardware combos on an Award P6 board (Gigabyte), mostly with SCSI > disk, but a couple of cycles on IDE too. The probe process should > normally only take a few seconds (maybe 10-15 on a '486). It usually does! This boot disk has been an anomaly. > Wait a second - you say the disk is chugging away - is this *after* an > installation, running /stand/sysinstall? No. during intitial install. Haven't tried since system came up... > If so, check the console to see if you aren't getting a ridiculous > number of error messages. The 'wfd' driver in particular is a culprit > here. Yah, I've seen that, but this is not the case. > If not, then it's possible that your disk is behaving oddly when > sysinstall tries to open it to see if it's there, which would explain > the chugging noises. Have you tried a different disk model? I've > never worked with a Fujitsu IDE, so I'm completely unaware of any > quirks they might have. I think that may be the case, since it is the same chugging the disks make when motherboard BIOS probes them. When the MB probes, the make 5 burst seeks. When sysinstall hits it, it is almost continuous for about 3 minutes. Kevin > > Hmmmm. This is very odd - I can't think of any reason why it would > > wait, nor does it wait anywhere near that long on my 2 IDE/1 SCSI > > drive spambox. > > > > Hmmmmm. *shug*? :-) > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm. How are these IDE drives connected? > > > > > > In any order. I thought I had bad disks (or non-cooperating), so I tried > > > every combination possible. I wasted lots o' time :(... > > > > > > I finally waited the 3 minutes to get an error message, but none came; it > > > was fine! If I had been patient the first time, I am sure it would have > > > worked too. > > > > > > Tried w/ 1 drive, 2 drives (MASTER/SLAVE and also 1MASTER/2MASTER). > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > I am installing STABLE (SNAP 0404), and everytime sysinstall starts up on > > > > > boot, it takes over 3 minutes to get through the 'Probing devices, please > > > > > wait...' screen. > > > > > > > > > > This as been on 2 totally different machines. What the do have in common: > > > > > Fujitsu IDE hard drives, Adaptec SCSI cards (removing does not change > > > > > anything), and Award BIOS for PPro. Different mobos (one AT, other ATX; > > > > > one Gigabyte, one ASUS). > > > > > > > > > > Anyone else find this behavior? Everything runs fine after it times out o > > r > > > > > whatever. The whole time the hard drives sound like you are doing a > > > > > 'find /usr/ports' :) > > > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 8 11:06:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23461 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:06:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23428 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:06:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from H.Husic@Uni-Koeln.DE) Received: from nero (dialup125.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.219.125]) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA12528; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:06:05 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: X-Sender: aaz09@mail.rrz.uni-koeln.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 12:37:26 +0200 To: Scot Elliott From: Hrvoje Husic Subject: Re: A new Bug with FreeBSD? Cc: Eddie Irvine , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <01bd62c8$0905d3c0$a01a1acb@gretchen> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 09:41 08.04.98 +0100, Scot Elliott wrote: >I do seem to remember there being a port or package to help kill a users' >processes when this happens. Can you remember the name? I have this problem regularly on our "Netscape-Server" (the machine on which most people run their netscapes). I thought about writing a script checking for a netscape eating up CPUtime for longer than 2 Minutes, but if a solution exists. -- Hrvoje Husic To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 8 11:10:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24634 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:10:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA24625 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:10:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yMzIj-0006vn-00; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:10:21 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:10:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Hrvoje Husic cc: Scot Elliott , Eddie Irvine , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A new Bug with FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, Hrvoje Husic wrote: > At 09:41 08.04.98 +0100, Scot Elliott wrote: > > >I do seem to remember there being a port or package to help kill a users' > >processes when this happens. > > Can you remember the name? /etc/login.conf Limit max CPU time Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 8 14:23:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22811 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:23:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from granite.sentex.net (granite.sentex.ca [199.212.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22294 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:21:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mdtancsa@sentex.net) Received: (from mdtancsa@localhost) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.6/8.6.9) id RAA09477; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:21:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike D Tancsa Message-Id: <199804082121.RAA09477@granite.sentex.net> Subject: Re: Sysintstall probing hosed on -STABLE? In-Reply-To: from Atipa at "Apr 8, 98 10:21:25 am" To: freebsd@atipa.com (Atipa) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Does the 2.2.6 installer do the same thing? I cycled through quite a > > few hardware combos on an Award P6 board (Gigabyte), mostly with SCSI > > disk, but a couple of cycles on IDE too. The probe process should > > normally only take a few seconds (maybe 10-15 on a '486). > > It usually does! This boot disk has been an anomaly. > > > Wait a second - you say the disk is chugging away - is this *after* an > > installation, running /stand/sysinstall? > No. during intitial install. Haven't tried since system came up... > > > If so, check the console to see if you aren't getting a ridiculous > > number of error messages. The 'wfd' driver in particular is a culprit > > here. > Yah, I've seen that, but this is not the case. > > > > If not, then it's possible that your disk is behaving oddly when > > sysinstall tries to open it to see if it's there, which would explain > > the chugging noises. Have you tried a different disk model? I've > > never worked with a Fujitsu IDE, so I'm completely unaware of any > > quirks they might have. > > I think that may be the case, since it is the same chugging the disks make > when motherboard BIOS probes them. When the MB probes, the make 5 burst > seeks. When sysinstall hits it, it is almost continuous for about 3 > minutes. I just sort of reproduced something similar just now. I did the following: Got a 2.2.6-RELEASE boot floppy on hardware I previously described in this thread and others Popped in a Fuji IDE that had NTFS as its only partition. Booted, all the hardware probed fine. Did a net install and no problem. Booted with the same floppy to install again, and the same problem... The process gets stuck on the final "probing hardware" message just before the main install screen. However, this time, I was a lot more patient than I have in the past. I let the machine go for well over 5 min, and eventually, it did come up to the install screen. ---Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 8 16:02:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA07526 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:02:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tolkien.mit.edu (TOLKIEN.MIT.EDU [18.62.0.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA07480 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:01:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from boogles@tolkien.mit.edu) Received: (from boogles@localhost) by tolkien.mit.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id TAA07002; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804082301.TAA07002@tolkien.mit.edu> From: "Brian K. Zuzga" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Problems with aicasm after 2.2.6 upgrade Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I've been having problems doing a "make depend" when building a kernel under 2.2.6. I prowled around the bug database and saw that others had problems with upgrades, and that deleting the entire source tree and installing that again helped. I tried that and the symptoms remained. Here's what I get after trying to make the GENERIC kernel: ws4# make depend cc -c -O -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -DAPM_BROKEN_STATCLOCK -DFAILSAFE -DCOMPAT_43 -DMSDOSFS -DNFS -DFFS -DINET -DKERNEL -DMAXUSERS=10 -UKERNEL ../../i386/i386/genassym.c cc -O -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -DAPM_BROKEN_STATCLOCK -DFAILSAFE -DCOMPAT_43 -DMSDOSFS -DNFS -DFFS -DINET -DKERNEL -DMAXUSERS=10 genassym.o -o genassym ./genassym >assym.s rm -f param.c cp ../../conf/param.c . sh ../../kern/vnode_if.sh ../../kern/vnode_if.src make -f ../../dev/aic7xxx/Makefile MAKESRCPATH=../../dev/aic7xxx Warning: Object directory not changed from original /usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC cc -O -I. -c aicasm_gram.c cc -O -I. -c aicasm_scan.c cc -O -I. -c ../../dev/aic7xxx/aicasm.c cc -O -I. -c ../../dev/aic7xxx/aicasm_symbol.c cc -O -I. -o aicasm aicasm_gram.o aicasm_scan.o aicasm.o aicasm_symbol.o -ll ./aicasm -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -o aic7xxx_seq.h -r aic7xxx_reg.h ../../dev/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.seq ./aicasm: Stopped at file ../../dev/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.seq, line 44 - syntax error ./aicasm: Removing aic7xxx_seq.h due to error *** Error code 65 Stop. ws4# I searched my entire disk for any other references to aic* to see if there was something old interfering with my build. Any ideas? Thanks. -boogles To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 8 16:08:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08308 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:08:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from IAEhv.nl (root@iaehv.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08297 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:08:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wjw@surf.IAEhv.nl) Received: from surf.IAEhv.nl (root@surf.IAEhv.nl [194.151.66.2]) by IAEhv.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA07487; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:07:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wjw@localhost) by surf.IAEhv.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA15484; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:07:43 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:07:43 +0200 (MET DST) From: Willem Jan Withagen Message-Id: <199804082307.BAA15484@surf.IAEhv.nl> To: tom@uniserve.com Subject: Re: Simple IPFW question X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd.stable In-Reply-To: References: <19980406182643.62436@ucb.crimea.ua> Organization: Internet Access Eindhoven, the Netherlands Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Take a look at: http://www.freebsd.org/ports/www.html and go to the package transproxy Does the job for me at home. Havent tried it at work yet. --WjW >> > I want to redirect all data transferred through port 80 (http) to >> > port 8080 (my Proxy). This appears to be simple although it doesn't seem >> > to work when I try the redirection using ipfw. >> >> No, firewall won't do this. See natd(8). > > Is this actually possible with natd? I don't think so. natd seems to >be only capable a straightforward many-to-1 translation, not the fairly >specialized translation required to intercept HTTP, and translate it into >a proxy request. -- Internet Access Eindhoven BV., voice: +31-40-2 393 393, data: +31-40-2 439 436 P.O. 928, 5600 AX Eindhoven, The Netherlands Full Internet connectivity for only fl 12.95 a month. Call now, and login as 'new'. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 8 18:08:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21586 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:08:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21559 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:07:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from H.Husic@Uni-Koeln.DE) Received: from nero (as5200-2-c33.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.125.161]) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA19191; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 03:06:26 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: X-Sender: aaz09@mail.rrz.uni-koeln.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 03:00:41 +0200 To: Tom From: Hrvoje Husic Subject: Re: A new Bug with FreeBSD? Cc: Scot Elliott , Eddie Irvine , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 11:10 08.04.98 -0700, Tom wrote: > /etc/login.conf Limit max CPU time This badly collides with programms which really need CPU-Time. I'm actially looking for a possibillity to kill processes, which are not supposed to render (like Netscape, FvwmToolBar, xemacs, ...). -- Hrvoje Husic To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 9 06:12:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA22964 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:12:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wankers.net (root@host-32-96-41-239.atl.bellsouth.net [32.96.41.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA22912 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:12:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Received: from localhost (dex@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wankers.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA07906 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:12:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:12:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Dexnation Holodream X-Sender: dex@localhost To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: eg base address Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk hrmmm...I can't seem to find the base address for my Intel EtherExpress...anyone have any clues? -Jon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 9 06:29:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA25276 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:29:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mixer.visi.com (root@mixer.visi.com [209.98.98.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25198 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:29:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from veldy@visi.com) Received: from bambi.visi.com (veldy@bambi.visi.com [209.98.98.24]) by mixer.visi.com (8.8.8/8.7.5) with SMTP id IAA28311 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:29:24 -0500 (CDT) Posted-Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:29:24 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:29:23 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: subscribe freebsd-stable Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk subscribe freebsd-stable To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 9 06:50:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27760 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:50:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.inficad.com (root@mail.inficad.com [207.19.74.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27749 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:50:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from omi@remorse.org) Received: from alpine.remorse.org (alpine.remorse.org [208.220.148.215]) by mail.inficad.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA10890; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:42:19 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:49:42 -0700 (MST) From: joey miller To: Dexnation Holodream cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: eg base address In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk look for the softset (softset2 is the newest) utility on www.intel.com, should be around there somewhere.. then boot with a nice dos boot disk and run softset. On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, Dexnation Holodream wrote: > hrmmm...I can't seem to find the base address for my Intel > EtherExpress...anyone have any clues? > > -Jon > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 9 21:38:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04744 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:38:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from itw.itworks.com.au (root@itw.itworks.com.au [203.32.61.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04656 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:37:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gavin@itworks.com.au) Received: from localhost (gavin@localhost) by itw.itworks.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA00431 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:37:05 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:37:04 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Cameron To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Upgrade question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, I've got three servers servicing around 800 users which I need to upgrade to -stable over the easter break. I have no trouble with cvsup and getting the -stable source tree, but before I jump in I thought I'd describe the 3 servers and see if there would be any hidden gotchas in the upgrade. I will also be upgrading all application software to the latest stable releases. Server 1 -------- Email, WWW server, squid proxy, router running ip-filter, majordomo Machine is running 2.1.6-RELEASE Can I upgrade the machine by doing a make world of stable and compiling a new kernel? Server 2 -------- Email, WWW server, squid proxy, router running ip-filter, samba and netatalk Machine is running 2.2.1-RELEASE Server 3 -------- Squid proxy, router running ip-filter Machine is running 2.2.1-RELEASE For the 2 2.2.1-RELEASE boxes I should just be able to make world and compile a new kernel, shouldn't I? I can see trouble with the 2.1.6 box, but should the 2.2.1 boxes upgrade OK? Thanks in advance, Gavin Cameron []------------------------------------+-------------------------------------[] | Gavin Cameron | ITworks Consulting | | Ph : 0418 390350 | Suite 100, 85 Grattan Street | | Fax : +61 3 9347 6544 | Carlton, Victoria | | Email : gavin@itworks.com.au | Australia, 3053 | []------------------------------------+-------------------------------------[] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 10 02:25:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA03650 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:25:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz.hyperreal.org [204.62.130.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA03621 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:25:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@hyperreal.org) Received: (qmail 21964 invoked by uid 24); 10 Apr 1998 09:25:13 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980410022044.0095f7e0@hyperreal.org> X-Sender: brian@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:20:44 -0700 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brian Behlendorf Subject: login.conf problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Sorry if this is the wrong place to send this. If it is, please let me know where I can send this. So I upgraded to -stable last week, and have started having problems such as the one you see below. Aside from the fact that the error message from newsyslog is next to worthless, I have a hunch that this is due to a particular class in login.conf that root crontab jobs run under. What class would this be? How would I determine that? I'm also seeing "out of memory" errors when I reboot right when it goes to fsck a 4 gig disk. Again, my suspician is login.conf restrictions. Any ideas? Thanks! Brian >Delivered-To: brian@hyperreal.org >Delivered-To: root@hyperreal.org >Date: 9 Apr 1998 08:00:01 -0000 >From: root@hyperreal.org (Cron Daemon) >To: root@hyperreal.org >Subject: Cron /usr/sbin/newsyslog >X-Cron-Env: >X-Cron-Env: >X-Cron-Env: >X-Cron-Env: >X-Cron-Env: > >Filesize limit exceeded > > --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- "Optimism is a strategy for making brian@apache.org a better future." - Noam Chomsky brian@hyperreal.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 10 02:54:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA07842 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:54:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uranus.planet-three.com (homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA07835 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:54:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scot@poptart.org) Received: from Jupiter.planet-three.com (jupiter.planet-three.com [195.171.203.100]) by uranus.planet-three.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15594; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:54:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by Jupiter.planet-three.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA05120; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:54:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from scot@planet-three.com) X-Authentication-Warning: Jupiter.planet-three.com: scot owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:54:11 +0100 (BST) From: Scot Elliott To: Brian Behlendorf cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: login.conf problems In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980410022044.0095f7e0@hyperreal.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Merge changes (or just copy) from /usr/src/etc/login.conf to /etc/login.conf. There are changes in there which increase some values, notably to let fsck work properly. >From crontab manpage: Each line has five time and date fields, followed by a user name (with optional ``:'' and ``/'' suffixes) if this is the system crontab file, So I suppose you could change the login class of the job causing you trouble to one with higher limits. Scot. On Fri, 10 Apr 1998, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:20:44 -0700 > From: Brian Behlendorf > To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: login.conf problems > > > Sorry if this is the wrong place to send this. If it is, please let me > know where I can send this. > > So I upgraded to -stable last week, and have started having problems such > as the one you see below. Aside from the fact that the error message from > newsyslog is next to worthless, I have a hunch that this is due to a > particular class in login.conf that root crontab jobs run under. What > class would this be? How would I determine that? I'm also seeing "out of > memory" errors when I reboot right when it goes to fsck a 4 gig disk. > Again, my suspician is login.conf restrictions. Any ideas? > > Thanks! > > Brian > > >Delivered-To: brian@hyperreal.org > >Delivered-To: root@hyperreal.org > >Date: 9 Apr 1998 08:00:01 -0000 > >From: root@hyperreal.org (Cron Daemon) > >To: root@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Cron /usr/sbin/newsyslog > >X-Cron-Env: > >X-Cron-Env: > >X-Cron-Env: > >X-Cron-Env: > >X-Cron-Env: > > > >Filesize limit exceeded > > > > > --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- > "Optimism is a strategy for making brian@apache.org > a better future." - Noam Chomsky brian@hyperreal.org > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott (scot@poptart.org) | Work: +44 (0)171 7046777 PGP fingerprint: FCAE9ED3A234FEB59F8C7F9DDD112D | Home: +44 (0)181 8961019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 10 03:42:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA14047 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 03:42:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz.hyperreal.org [204.62.130.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA14036 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 03:42:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@hyperreal.org) Received: (qmail 12103 invoked by uid 24); 10 Apr 1998 10:42:21 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980410033039.00af5410@hyperreal.org> X-Sender: brian@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 03:30:39 -0700 To: Scot Elliott From: Brian Behlendorf Subject: Re: login.conf problems Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.19980410022044.0095f7e0@hyperreal.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 10:54 AM 4/10/98 +0100, Scot Elliott wrote: >Merge changes (or just copy) from /usr/src/etc/login.conf to >/etc/login.conf. There are changes in there which increase some values, >notably to let fsck work properly. Er, the problem is that I'm *using* the upgraded login.conf, and am getting these errors now, whereas I wasn't before. Maybe it was dumb to not merge, but given that I didn't have any custom settings in that file, I thought it'd be fine. Brian --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- "Optimism is a strategy for making brian@apache.org a better future." - Noam Chomsky brian@hyperreal.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 10 07:57:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA21471 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:57:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [194.93.177.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA19709; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:54:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA05781; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:53:59 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Message-ID: <19980410175358.13908@ucb.crimea.ua> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:53:58 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: bugs@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: CVS 1.9.26 problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi! Anyone tracking -stable could confirm the following? Recently CVS was updated to 1.9.26. Now (for me) it doesn't delete temporary files in /tmp. # ls -l /tmp total 0 # cvs commit -m commit cvs commit: Examining . RCS file: /home/ru/Work/.cvs/test/a,v done Checking in a; /home/ru/Work/.cvs/test/a,v <-- a initial revision: 1.1 done # ls -l /tmp total 1 -rw------- 1 ru bin 7 10 ÁÐÒ 17:50 cvsbA5761 # cat /tmp/cvsbA5761 commit TIA, -- Ruslan Ermilov System Administrator ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank +380-652-247647 Simferopol, Crimea 2426679 ICQ Network, UIN To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 10 08:29:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27381 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:29:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA27372; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:29:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA00903; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:29:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA19609; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:29:22 -0600 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:29:22 -0600 Message-Id: <199804101529.JAA19609@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Ruslan Ermilov Cc: bugs@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CVS 1.9.26 problem In-Reply-To: <19980410175358.13908@ucb.crimea.ua> References: <19980410175358.13908@ucb.crimea.ua> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Anyone tracking -stable could confirm the following? > > Recently CVS was updated to 1.9.26. > Now (for me) it doesn't delete temporary files in /tmp. That's not a CVS binary issue, since creating/deleting files in /tmp is due to the stuff in CVSROOT, unless you're using Remote CVS, and then it's entire directories. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 10 12:09:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10592 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:09:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz.hyperreal.org [204.62.130.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA10537 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:09:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@hyperreal.org) Received: (qmail 4291 invoked by uid 24); 10 Apr 1998 19:09:32 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980410121615.00a54380@hyperreal.org> X-Sender: brian@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:16:15 -0700 To: Nate Williams , Ruslan Ermilov From: Brian Behlendorf Subject: Re: CVS 1.9.26 problem Cc: bugs@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199804101529.JAA19609@mt.sri.com> References: <19980410175358.13908@ucb.crimea.ua> <19980410175358.13908@ucb.crimea.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 09:29 AM 4/10/98 -0600, Nate Williams wrote: >> Anyone tracking -stable could confirm the following? >> >> Recently CVS was updated to 1.9.26. >> Now (for me) it doesn't delete temporary files in /tmp. > >That's not a CVS binary issue, since creating/deleting files in /tmp is >due to the stuff in CVSROOT, unless you're using Remote CVS, and then >it's entire directories. er, I too upgraded recently, and noticed this was a "new" behavior, at least newer than 1.9.20. Brian --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- "Optimism is a strategy for making brian@apache.org a better future." - Noam Chomsky brian@hyperreal.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 10 12:16:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13181 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:16:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13084; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:16:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA02488; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:16:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA20704; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:16:09 -0600 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:16:09 -0600 Message-Id: <199804101916.NAA20704@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Brian Behlendorf Cc: Nate Williams , Ruslan Ermilov , bugs@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CVS 1.9.26 problem In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980410121615.00a54380@hyperreal.org> References: <19980410175358.13908@ucb.crimea.ua> <199804101529.JAA19609@mt.sri.com> <3.0.3.32.19980410121615.00a54380@hyperreal.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > >> Anyone tracking -stable could confirm the following? > >> > >> Recently CVS was updated to 1.9.26. > >> Now (for me) it doesn't delete temporary files in /tmp. > > > >That's not a CVS binary issue, since creating/deleting files in /tmp is > >due to the stuff in CVSROOT, unless you're using Remote CVS, and then > >it's entire directories. > > er, I too upgraded recently, and noticed this was a "new" behavior, at > least newer than 1.9.20. You may need to modify your CVSROOT files to cleanup stuff in /tmp. (I'm using CVS-1.9.26 in a production environment and don't see this.) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 10 23:00:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA03561 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 23:00:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA03552; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 23:00:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA31579; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:52:42 +1000 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:52:42 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199804110552.PAA31579@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bugs@FreeBSD.ORG, ru@ucb.crimea.ua Subject: Re: CVS 1.9.26 problem Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >Recently CVS was updated to 1.9.26. >Now (for me) it doesn't delete temporary files in /tmp. This was caused by a bug in mktemp(). Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 11 07:53:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08829 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 07:53:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [194.93.177.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08658; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 07:52:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00533; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 17:52:24 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Message-ID: <19980411175224.35899@ucb.crimea.ua> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 17:52:24 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Bruce Evans , bugs@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CVS 1.9.26 problem (in fresh RELENG_2_2) References: <199804110552.PAA31579@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199804110552.PAA31579@godzilla.zeta.org.au>; from Bruce Evans on Sat, Apr 11, 1998 at 03:52:42PM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sat, Apr 11, 1998 at 03:52:42PM +1000, Bruce Evans wrote: > >Recently CVS was updated to 1.9.26. > >Now (for me) it doesn't delete temporary files in /tmp. > > This was caused by a bug in mktemp(). > > Bruce Just made world - the problem here. Temporary files a not deleted!! mktemp.c: "$Id: mktemp.c,v 1.4.2.3 1998/03/16 09:21:59 jkh Exp $"; # cvs -v Concurrent Versions System (CVS) 1.9.26 (client/server) TIA, -- Ruslan Ermilov System Administrator ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank +380-652-247647 Simferopol, Crimea 2426679 ICQ Network, UIN To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 11 15:19:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19945 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:19:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from red.juniper.net (red.juniper.net [208.197.169.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19934 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:19:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pst@juniper.net) Received: (from pst@localhost) by red.juniper.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA22863 for stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:19:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Traina Message-Id: <199804112219.PAA22863@red.juniper.net> To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: MFS in -stable? Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk How happy are folks with the MFS filesystem in stable. Is it solid or still badly hosed? Paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 11 15:32:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22417 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:32:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kaiwan.kaiwan.com (kaiwan.kaiwan.com [198.178.203.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA22411 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:32:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from exit.com (uucp@localhost) by kaiwan.kaiwan.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id PAA19033; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from frank@localhost) by exit.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id PAA00621; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:32:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Mayhar Message-Id: <199804112232.PAA00621@exit.com> Subject: Re: MFS in -stable? To: pst@juniper.net (Paul Traina) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199804112219.PAA22863@red.juniper.net> from Paul Traina at "Apr 11, 98 03:19:14 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Paul Traina wrote: > How happy are folks with the MFS filesystem in stable. Is it solid or > still badly hosed? I've been running with an MFS /tmp for some months, now, and have had no problems that could be traced to that. My uptimes have been 60 days or more, and only get reset for software or hardware upgrades. -- Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 11 15:36:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23298 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:36:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from geeklab.globalserve.net (geeklab.globalserve.net [209.90.144.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23225 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:35:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from philipp@globalserve.net) Received: from localhost (philipp@localhost) by geeklab.globalserve.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA17890; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 18:45:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: geeklab.globalserve.net: philipp owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 18:45:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Philipp To: Paul Traina cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MFS in -stable? In-Reply-To: <199804112219.PAA22863@red.juniper.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I can't complain with the MFS mounts I have on 2 -stable servers. I'm not sure what specifics you mean with "badly hosed", I have not had any problems with MFS on FreeBSD. The best thing is probly to go out and see for yourself. Peter Philipp (PP2441) Globalserve Administration On Sat, 11 Apr 1998, Paul Traina wrote: > How happy are folks with the MFS filesystem in stable. Is it solid or > still badly hosed? > > Paul > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 11 18:07:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA15605 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 18:07:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.frihet.com (root@frihet.bayarea.net [205.219.92.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15535 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 18:07:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tweten@ns.frihet.com) Received: from ns.frihet.com (tweten@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.frihet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA11809; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 18:07:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tweten@ns.frihet.com) Message-Id: <199804120107.SAA11809@ns.frihet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 Reply-to: tweten@frihet.com To: Paul Traina Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MFS in -stable? From: "David E. Tweten" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 18:07:14 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk pst@juniper.net said: >How happy are folks with the MFS filesystem in stable. Is it solid or >still badly hosed? What's your definition of "badly hosed?" I've used it for /tmp for as long as I can remember, and have never had a problem with it. It _is_ a bit of a hack. I don't believe anybody has done anything significant to it since the current encarnation arrived as part of 4.4 BSD, which means it still runs at half the speed it could, worries about cylinder groups, and pays no attention to locality of reference in virtual memory. Still, half memory speed is a _lot_ faster than any disk, and it has always been rock reliable for me. -- David E. Tweten | 2047-bit PGP fingerprint: | tweten@frihet.com 12141 Atrium Drive | E9 59 E7 5C 6B 88 B8 90 | tweten@and.com Saratoga, CA 95070-3162 | 65 30 2A A4 A0 BC 49 AE | (408) 446-4131 Those who make good products sell products; those who don't, sell solutions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 11 23:36:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27462 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 23:36:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xray.csci.unt.edu (xray.csci.unt.edu [129.120.3.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA27457 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 23:36:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeffries@silo.csci.unt.edu) Received: from localhost (jeffries@localhost) by xray.csci.unt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA21034 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 01:36:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jeffries@silo.csci.unt.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: xray.csci.unt.edu: jeffries owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 01:36:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey Lynn Jeffries X-Sender: jeffries@xray.csci.unt.edu To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Make world fails on gctags Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I am trying to do a make world from today's sources. After it gets about two hours into the make, it fails with an Error 1 (specifically at usr.bin/global/gctags). I have included the tail of the make below. Does anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening? Where *should* it find rflag??? ===> usr.bin/global/gctags cc -nostdinc -O -I/usr/src/usr.bin/global/gctags/../../../contrib/global/lib -I/usr/src/usr.bin/global/gctags/../../../contrib/global/gctags -DGLOBAL -DYACC -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -Wall -Wstrict -prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -c /usr/src/usr.bin/global/gctags/C.c /usr/src/usr.bin/global/gctags/C.c: In function `c_entries': /usr/src/usr.bin/global/gctags/C.c:280: `rflag' undeclared (first use this function) /usr/src/usr.bin/global/gctags/C.c:280: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /usr/src/usr.bin/global/gctags/C.c:280: for each function it appears in.) *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. ========================================================================== Jeffrey Lynn Jeffries, jeffries@unt.edu Proud user of FreeBSD: Ask me how to unleash the daemon inside your PC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message