From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Aug 2 03:37:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA25463 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 03:37:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from insl1.etec.uni-karlsruhe.de (insl1.etec.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.109.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA25443 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 03:36:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erb@inss1.etec.uni-karlsruhe.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by insl1.etec.uni-karlsruhe.de (8.8.8/8.8.2) with UUCP id MAA12436 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 12:36:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from erb@localhost) by insl2.etec.uni-karlsruhe.de (8.8.8/8.8.2) id MAA07542; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 12:36:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 12:36:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Olaf Erb Message-Id: <199808021036.MAA07542@insl2.etec.uni-karlsruhe.de> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: addgroup and rmgroup? Reply-To: erb@inss1.etec.uni-karlsruhe.de In-Reply-To: <199808011912.PAA13146@neale.econ.vt.edu> Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <199808011912.PAA13146@neale.econ.vt.edu>, Russell D. Murphy wrote: [..] >I also note that neither addgroup nor rmgroup seemed to have >been updated after my most recent make world (or the earlier ones, >either). Everything else seems fine. The system is running: [..] >Have these utilities disappeared? Yes, already for a loooong time, together with the tcl removal from the base system. Olaf -- Don't mistake lack of talent for genius. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Aug 2 03:48:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA26302 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 03:48:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Njord.bart.nl (Njord.bART.nl [194.158.170.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA26271 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 03:47:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from patrick@barmentlo.net) Received: from patrice (s002.rotterdam.bart.nl [194.158.175.2]) by Njord.bart.nl (8.8.4/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA25952 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:06:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199808021106.NAA25952@Njord.bart.nl> X-Sender: prive@pbm.bart.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 12:47:26 +0200 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: patrick Subject: how much space needed for buildworld Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I have an question, how much space is needed for a makebuild, (full, all sources) ( /usr/obj ) ? And how much is for games then? (so i can let them out..if needed..) I have freebsd 2.2.7 running, and want to go to stable.. Thanks in advandge.. patrick barmentlo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Aug 2 04:38:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA03650 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 04:38:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA03637 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 04:38:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id NAA28470; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:35:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from semyam.dinoco.de (semyam.dinoco.de [127.0.0.1]) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02802; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:31:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Message-Id: <199808021131.NAA02802@semyam.dinoco.de> To: patrick Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, seggers@semyam.dinoco.de Subject: Re: how much space needed for buildworld In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Aug 1998 12:47:26 +0200." <199808021106.NAA25952@Njord.bart.nl> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 13:31:13 +0200 From: Stefan Eggers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > how much space is needed for a makebuild, (full, all sources) ( /usr/obj ) ? I just know the numbers for -current but -stable shouldn't be far off. It depends a bit on optimization (-O or -O2 for binaries) and debug settings (-g or not -g) in /etc/make.conf so I think this should be good enough. My /usr/obj is about 160 MByte in size now. The log I made while doing buildworld is about 5.5 MByte. For the complete source I remember about 150 MByte. I didn't measure it. Takes a while with du. ;-) So I'd say 350 MByte should be what you need in free space for source and as space during the build. > And how much is for games then? (so i can let them out..if needed..) The games use about 5 MByte in /usr/obj. Their source is about 7.5 MByte. Not a huge saving. Stefan. -- Stefan Eggers Lu4 yao2 zhi1 ma3 li4, Max-Slevogt-Str. 1 ri4 jiu3 jian4 ren2 xin1. 51109 Koeln Federal Republic of Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Aug 2 06:47:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12640 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 06:47:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA12635 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 06:47:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from mail.siemens.de (salomon.siemens.de [139.23.33.13]) by david.siemens.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA04986 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:47:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (daemon@curry.mchp.siemens.de [146.180.31.23]) by mail.siemens.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA11064 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:47:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10790 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:47:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from server.us.tld(192.168.16.33) via SMTP by curry.mchp.siemens.de, id smtpdv10786; Sun Aug 2 15:47:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by server.us.tld (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19380 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:47:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andre@bali.us.tld) Received: from bali.us.tld(192.168.21.100) via SMTP by server.us.tld, id smtpdf19297; Sun Aug 2 15:47:08 1998 Received: (from andre@localhost) by bali.us.tld (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26907; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:47:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andre) From: Andre Albsmeier Message-Id: <199808021347.PAA26907@bali.us.tld> Subject: Re: CD writers as a backup medium In-Reply-To: from jack at "Aug 1, 98 07:57:23 pm" To: jack@germanium.xtalwind.net (jack) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:47:07 +0200 (CEST) Cc: benedikt@devnull.ruhr.de, bromage@queens.unimelb.edu.au, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On 1 Aug 1998, Benedikt Stockebrand wrote: > > > Andrew Bromage writes: > > > > > Just wondered if anyone had thoughts on using a CD writer with > > > FreeBSD-stable as a backup medium. > > > > Writing a CD-ROM on a machine that is doing other things as well is > > bound to cause trouble. Your backups will be plain unreliable. > > My experience indicates that your statements are wrong. I piped > the output of mkisofs to cdrecord in one xterm while doing level > 0 dumps of about 4 gigs of files in another. Halfway through > burning the CD /etc/daily started and called /etc/security with > its `find'. The CD that was produced has been used to install, > or upgrade to, 2.2.7 on three different machines so far. > > I have two 4gig and a 1gig hard drive, the tape drive, the CD > burner, and a CD reader on a single Adaptec 2940UW. As I said in another message I also have no problem writing CDs while using the machine for other things. However, I create the image first but then I burn it with 4x speed while doing a buildworld, running netscape, rc5 and the usual X and shell stuff. All that on a CDR100 with only 256k buffer but of course with rtprio on the cdrecord process. Never god a bad CD and never got a buffer underrun. -Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Aug 2 06:53:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA13262 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 06:53:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA13257 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 06:52:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 2 Aug 98 14:52:43 +0100 (BST) To: patrick cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how much space needed for buildworld In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Aug 1998 12:47:26 +0200." <199808021106.NAA25952@Njord.bart.nl> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 14:52:28 +0100 From: David Malone Message-ID: <9808021452.aa28338@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I have an question, > how much space is needed for a makebuild, (full, all sources) ( /usr/obj ) ? > And how much is for games then? (so i can let them out..if needed..) > I have freebsd 2.2.7 running, and want to go to stable.. As of a compile I did this morning /usr/src is about 150M (including one kernel compile) and so is /usr/obj. David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Aug 2 09:59:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27216 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 09:59:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgw02.execpc.com (mailgw02.execpc.com [169.207.3.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA27211 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 09:59:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from deaven@execpc.com) Received: from pop05.execpc.com (pop05.execpc.com [169.207.3.82]) by mailgw02.execpc.com (8.9.0) id LAA24195; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:59:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tabby (harconia-1-108.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.132.108]) by pop05.execpc.com (8.8.8) id LAA29683; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:59:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199808021659.LAA29683@pop05.execpc.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Benedikt Stockebrand cc: Andrew Bromage , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD writers as a backup medium In-reply-to: Your message of "01 Aug 1998 12:53:18 +0200." <874svxm0rl.fsf@devnull.ruhr.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 11:59:22 -0500 From: David Deaven Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Andrew Bromage writes: > >> Just wondered if anyone had thoughts on using a CD writer with >> FreeBSD-stable as a backup medium. > >Writing a CD-ROM on a machine that is doing other things as well is >bound to cause trouble. Your backups will be plain unreliable. I do it all the time for backups and audio burns. It works fine, even while I am launching/using netscape and other high-resource apps. I have also done burns during the time that the /etc/daily runs go, which hits the disk pretty hard. Note that cdrecord has built-in buffering and my SCSI CDRW (ricoh) has a 2Mb internal buffer; this may help. On the otherhand, I have garden-variety IDE disks, which should limit me. I always write checksums and read the data off the CD to verify, and I have not had any errors in ~100 backups to a CDRW or CDR (I usually use a rewriteable, just saves the hassle of buying media, and occasionally burn a permanent CDR to store off site). For me, the choice of how to do backups on a $400 budget was clear. My CD-RW gives me everything I need for backups, *plus* the ability to make CDs to share with others, and audio CDs for fun. If you are considering a CDRW, don't be scared off by the prospect of unreliable burns. It isn't that sensitive. -- ------------------------------------- David Deaven deaven@execpc.com http://www.execpc.com/~deaven To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Aug 2 15:04:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23862 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:04:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nohow.demon.co.uk (nohow.demon.co.uk [212.228.18.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23844; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:04:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jose@nohow.demon.co.uk) Received: from localhost (jose@localhost) by nohow.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA00245; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:04:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jose@nohow.demon.co.uk) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:04:01 +0100 (BST) From: Jose Marques To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: wd driver multi-sector I/O and laptops Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am running FreeBSD 2.2.7-stable (last updated on August 1st) on a Toshiba Libretto 70CT. I have replaced the supplied HD with a bigger 3.2GB Hitachi unit. I have been playing with the "32-bit" and "multi-sector transfer" options of the wd driver. I have the following in my kernel config file: controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 vector wdintr disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 flags 0x80ff This produces the following probe message: wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): , 32-bit, multi-block-16 wd0: 3102MB (6354432 sectors), 6304 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S Using iozone before and after I see a great improvement in sequential access. The only problem occurs when I suspend my laptop and then resume. If I resume from RAM I have no problem, however, if I resume from disk then I see the following error almost immediately after the system has resumed: wd0s2f: reverting to non-multi sector mode writing fsbn 65776 of 65776-65791 (wd0s2 bn 1761520; cn 218 tn 56 sn 40)wd0: status 51 error 4 Running iozone after this shows that performance has dropped to the level when not using multi-sector transfers. I have tried using 0xc0ff (suspend-hack) but the problem still occurs. Looking at the file "/sys/i386/isa/wd.c" I notice that the driver turns off multi-sector i/o on any such error. I was wondering if it was "safe" to stop it doing this. Alternatively does the problem I describe above constitute a "bug" that I should report - or is it meant to behave that way. Thanks in advance for any advice. -- Jose Marques To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Aug 2 15:25:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25354 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:25:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nohow.demon.co.uk (nohow.demon.co.uk [212.228.18.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25346 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:25:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jose@nohow.demon.co.uk) Received: from localhost (jose@localhost) by nohow.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA00352; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:21:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jose@nohow.demon.co.uk) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:21:59 +0100 (BST) From: Jose Marques To: patrick cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how much space needed for buildworld In-Reply-To: <199808021106.NAA25952@Njord.bart.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, patrick wrote: > Hi, > > I have an question, > how much space is needed for a makebuild, (full, all sources) ( /usr/obj ) ? > And how much is for games then? (so i can let them out..if needed..) > I have freebsd 2.2.7 running, and want to go to stable.. Here's what I have allocated (1K blocks). /dev/wd0s2d 168591 125183 29921 81% /usr/obj /dev/wd0s2h 208191 152380 39156 80% /usr/src > Thanks in advandge.. > > patrick barmentlo -- Jose Marques To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Aug 2 18:55:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10343 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:55:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kendra.ne.mediaone.net (kendra.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.94.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA10312 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:55:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from software@kew.com) Received: from ffactory.uucp.kew.com (ffactory.hh.kew.com [192.168.203.131]) by kendra.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA03626; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kew.com by ffactory.uucp.kew.com (UUPC/extended 1.13c) with UUCP for multiple addressees; Sun, 02 Aug 1998 21:54:45 -0500 Received: from kew.com by ffactory.uucp.kew.com (UUPC/extended 1.13c) with ESMTP for multiple addresses; Sun, 02 Aug 1998 21:54:44 -0500 Message-ID: <35C51864.1233FFDC@kew.com> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 21:54:44 -0400 From: Drew Derbyshire Organization: Kendra Electronic Wonderworks, Stoneham, MA 02180 (http://www.kew.com) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benedikt Stockebrand CC: Andrew Bromage , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IDE CD-R on stable (was Re: CD writers as a backup medium) References: <199807311940.MAA11663@hub.freebsd.org> <199808010247.WAA05287@pobox.ids.net> <19980801180401.24027@queens.unimelb.edu.au> <874svxm0rl.fsf@devnull.ruhr.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Benedikt Stockebrand wrote: > > Andrew Bromage writes: > > > Just wondered if anyone had thoughts on using a CD writer with > > FreeBSD-stable as a backup medium. > > Writing a CD-ROM on a machine that is doing other things as well is > bound to cause trouble. Your backups will be plain unreliable. Ummm, semi-related question, are ONLY the SCSI CD-ROM burners supported? I happen to have ended up with my HP IDE CD-R burner on my FreeBSD box (with room for Windows if I have to boot back to it to burn CD-R's.) -- Drew Derbyshire UUPC/extended e-mail: software@kew.com Telephone: 617-279-9812 "Nuke the users and let $VK0 sort them out" -ahd-, misquoted To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Aug 2 19:02:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10670 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:02:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from enya.hilink.com.au (enya.hilink.com.au [203.8.14.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA10665 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:02:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danny@enya.hilink.com.au) Received: from localhost (danny@localhost) by enya.hilink.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA10555; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:01:26 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from danny@enya.hilink.com.au) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:01:26 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" Reply-To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: "Randy A. Katz" cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Larger then 8.5GB IDE Support - 2.2 stable In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980731080248.034bcbc0@ccsales.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 31 Jul 1998, Randy A. Katz wrote: > Is support for the larger IDE drives still in 2.2 stable? I loaded it up on > a 4.5GB primary drive and tried to add a 11.5GB secondary and it showed the > partition as 8.xGB...any ideas??? The patches in PR 6866 apply fine, except you should read the notes which were added to the patch. I have a -stable system running with these patches and just need to find the time to commit them. I also need to ask about the wdc flags so appropriate instructions can be put somewhere. If you want the patches, I can send them to you. I'd be interested in feedback before I commit to -stable. I did want to get them into 2.2.7, but missed the boat. 2.2.8 is a definite. Danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Aug 2 19:11:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11446 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:11:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au [202.14.186.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA11437 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:11:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Carl.Makin@ipaustralia.gov.au) From: Carl.Makin@ipaustralia.gov.au Received: (from smap@localhost) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA11912 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:11:14 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from Carl.Makin@ipaustralia.gov.au) X-Authentication-Warning: pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au: smap set sender to using -f Received: from noteshub01.aipo.gov.au(192.3.1.21) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au via smap (V2.0) id xma011907; Mon, 3 Aug 98 12:11:05 +1000 Received: by noteshub01.aipo.gov.au(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 4A256655.000C0778 ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:11:23 +1000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IP_AUSTRALIA To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <4A256655.000B3049.00@noteshub01.aipo.gov.au> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:10:49 +1000 Subject: CTM updates stopped? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can anyone tell me why there have been no CTM updates in the /pub/FreeBSD/CTM/src-2.2 and src-cur directories since July 8? I've been tracking both stable and current by using mirror to download the CTM deltas. Carl. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Aug 2 21:05:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21263 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:05:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles358.castles.com [208.214.167.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21246 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:05:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11234; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808030404.VAA11234@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Drew Derbyshire cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IDE CD-R on stable (was Re: CD writers as a backup medium) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Aug 1998 21:54:44 EDT." <35C51864.1233FFDC@kew.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 21:04:10 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Ummm, semi-related question, are ONLY the SCSI CD-ROM burners supported? I > happen to have ended up with my HP IDE CD-R burner on my FreeBSD box (with > room for Windows if I have to boot back to it to burn CD-R's.) There is no ATAPI CD-R support for -stable. There may be ATAPI support for the current ATA framework in 3.0, and an enterprising 2.2 user could possibly backport it, but at this point the code is still under developement. One thing becoming clear is that ATAPI CD-R's are even more touchy and susceptible to timing problems than SCSI units. They're not to be recommended for busy systems... -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Aug 2 21:36:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24008 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:36:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pcpsj.pfcs.com (harlan.fred.net [205.252.219.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA24001 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:36:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Harlan.Stenn@pfcs.com) Received: from mumps.pfcs.com [192.52.69.11] (HELO mumps.pfcs.com) by pcpsj.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brown.pfcs.com [192.52.69.44] (HELO brown.pfcs.com) by mumps.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1] (HELO brown.pfcs.com) by brown.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:36:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: NFS trouble with -stable? X-Face: "csXK}xnnsH\h_ce`T#|pM]tG,6Xu.{3Rb\]&XJgVyTS'w{E+|-(}n:c(Cc* $cbtusxDP6T)Hr'k&zrwq0.3&~bAI~YJco[r.mE+K|(q]F=ZNXug:s6tyOk{VTqARy0#axm6BWti9C d Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 00:36:27 -0400 Message-ID: <17972.902118987@brown.pfcs.com> From: Harlan Stenn Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm trying to "make buildworld" on a "current" -STABLE machine. The machine I'm running the build on does an NFS mount of its /usr/src and /usr/obj trees, which are hosted on another -STABLE box. The "underlying" version for these two boxes is -STABLE as of about 3 June 1998. I'm running into a problem in that several of the .depend files (at least) seem to have large hunks of NUL bytes in them. Anybody have any ideas on what might be going on here? How about ideas on how I can figure out if it's something stupid I'm doing or if it's a bug? H To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Aug 2 22:04:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA26526 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:04:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA26521 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:04:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA03140; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:03:35 -0400 (EDT) From: jack To: Drew Derbyshire cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IDE CD-R on stable (was Re: CD writers as a backup medium) In-Reply-To: <35C51864.1233FFDC@kew.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Drew Derbyshire wrote: > Ummm, semi-related question, are ONLY the SCSI CD-ROM burners supported? I > happen to have ended up with my HP IDE CD-R burner on my FreeBSD box (with > room for Windows if I have to boot back to it to burn CD-R's.) Version 1.6 of cdrecord, in the ports, has support for mmc compliant IDE burners. Though as CPU intensive as IDE is I would imagine you'd run into trouble on a system that had a fraction of the load that SCSI drives can tolerate. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Aug 2 22:39:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29298 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:39:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA29280 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:39:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id FAA10290; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 05:49:10 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199808030349.FAA10290@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: IDE CD-R on stable (was Re: CD writers as a backup medium) To: jack@germanium.xtalwind.net (jack) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 05:49:10 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: software@kew.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "jack" at Aug 3, 98 01:03:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Ummm, semi-related question, are ONLY the SCSI CD-ROM burners supported? I > > happen to have ended up with my HP IDE CD-R burner on my FreeBSD box (with > > room for Windows if I have to boot back to it to burn CD-R's.) > > Version 1.6 of cdrecord, in the ports, has support for mmc > compliant IDE burners. Though as CPU intensive as IDE is I would > imagine you'd run into trouble on a system that had a fraction of > the load that SCSI drives can tolerate. given the question, in your reply you seem to state two things: 1. the FreeBSD port of cdrecord works with mmc compliant IDE burners; 2. you might have performance problems due to the IDE overhead. now, i am 99.9% sure that 1. is false (because there README.ATAPI file of cdrecord says it only works on linux, and we don't have standard generic ATAPI commands...). as for 2., for at least two years on FreeBSD I have been seeing IDE streaming at 5MB/s or more (given reasonable disks -- that also applies to SCSI) and given the relatively low speed (2x -- 300KB/s) of CD burners, i think the load problem you mention might be not so relevant. In any case, my point is, if you (like me) are not sure of what you say or are not speaking from personal experience, try to make it clear, or you will mislead people. cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Aug 3 05:25:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16378 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 05:25:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from conductor.synapse.net (conductor.synapse.net [199.84.54.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA16372 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 05:25:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from evanc@synapse.net) Received: (qmail 11966 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1998 12:25:38 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO cello) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Aug 1998 12:25:38 -0000 Message-ID: <020501bdbed9$e9fd1560$c9252fce@synapse.net> From: "Evan Champion" To: , "Harlan Stenn" Subject: Re: NFS trouble with -stable? Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:26:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It's a "feature" -- try NFS version 2 instead (mount with nfsv2). Evan -----Original Message----- From: Harlan Stenn To: Date: Monday, August 03, 1998 12:48 AM Subject: NFS trouble with -stable? >I'm trying to "make buildworld" on a "current" -STABLE machine. > >The machine I'm running the build on does an NFS mount of its /usr/src and >/usr/obj trees, which are hosted on another -STABLE box. > >The "underlying" version for these two boxes is -STABLE as of about 3 June >1998. > >I'm running into a problem in that several of the .depend files (at least) >seem to have large hunks of NUL bytes in them. > >Anybody have any ideas on what might be going on here? > >How about ideas on how I can figure out if it's something stupid I'm doing >or if it's a bug? > >H > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Aug 3 05:56:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA20186 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 05:56:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coleridge.kublai.com (coleridge.kublai.com [207.96.1.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA20166 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 05:56:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shmit@natasya.kublai.com) Received: from natasya.kublai.com (natasya.kublai.com [207.172.25.236]) by coleridge.kublai.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09890; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:56:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from shmit@natasya.kublai.com) Received: (from shmit@localhost) by natasya.kublai.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03224; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980803085559.23851@kublai.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:55:59 -0400 From: Brian Cully To: Scott , "Louis A. Mamakos" Cc: Nathan Dorfman , Andrew Bromage , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD writers as a backup medium Reply-To: shmit@kublai.com Mail-Followup-To: Scott , "Louis A. Mamakos" , Nathan Dorfman , Andrew Bromage , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <199808011928.PAA12685@whizzo.transsys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Scott on Sat, Aug 01, 1998 at 12:53:57PM -0700 X-Sender: If your mailer pays attention to this, it's broken. X-PGP-Info: finger shmit@kublai.com for my public key. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I bought a reconditioned DDS-2 changer (that holds 4 or 12 tapes depending > > on the magazine) for a bit less than $400. Media is about $7-$12 depending > > on what you find. > > Thats some serious data storage. Brand new that thing would be extremely > expensive. A new HP DDS-2 drive will run you about $400-500, and those are pretty expensive for that medium. With compression you can get up to 8 GB, good media can be about $10. With a CD-R and compression you can get about 1.2 GB, and good media can be about $5 (you can get cheaper, but it gets pretty flaky). So for DDS-2 media, you're paying about $1.25/GB and for CD-R you get $4.16/GB. The cost of the device to write it is about the same for both. DDS-2 media is pretty flaky, in my experience, so I wouldn't use it for Real Backups, but then again, CD-R is equally as flaky (if not more so). > CDs are so cheap nowdays that there is no sense for a rewritable when it > would be just as quick/easy to rewrite the whole thing. Whatta waste. If you're not worried about expense, why don't you save the money you'd be wasting on CDs and buy a DLT drive (mmm.... DLT....)? :-) Besides, it's not the expense of the media that bothers me so much, it's going out and buying it, but with a DDS tape I can just re-use it, and formatting is as easy as pulling out the de-gausser. Of course, you do miss one of my favourite uses of CDs: zapping them in the microwave. -- Brian Cully ``And when one of our comrades was taken prisoner, blindfolded, hung upside-down, shot, and burned, we thought to ourselves, `These are the best experiences of our lives''' -Pathology (Joe Frank, Somewhere Out There) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Aug 3 06:21:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA23537 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 06:21:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.196.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA23531 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 06:21:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp) Received: by outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp id AA11848; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:21:06 +0900 Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.7.6+2.6Wbeta7/3.4W/zodiac-May96) with ESMTP id WAA19213; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:30:23 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199808031330.WAA19213@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp Subject: screen flicker in 2.2.7-RELEASE Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:30:22 +0900 From: Kazutaka YOKOTA Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I would be grateful if anybody who are having the following problem would apply the attached patch to /sys/i386/isa/syscons.c and report the result to me. There have been reports that the screen flicker is so bad when the mouse pointer is moved in 3.0-CURRENT and 2.2.7. 2.2.6 saw less of the problem. It has been observed that the problem is most apparent: a) in notebook computers, b) and/or in the systems with a C&T video chip. A possible workaround is to eliminate some I/O access to the chip. But, as I am not sure if this is OK with other VGA chip sets, we shall use a new configuration option SC_BAD_FLICKER. Define this option in the kernel configuration file to remove outb()/outw() calls in question. Thank you for your cooperation. Kazu yokota@freebsd.org --- syscons.c.orig Sun Aug 2 16:30:51 1998 +++ syscons.c Mon Aug 3 18:01:35 1998 @@ -4734,18 +4734,26 @@ outb(ATC, 0x20); /* enable palette */ #if SLOW_VGA +#ifndef SC_BAD_FLICKER outb(TSIDX, 0x00); outb(TSREG, 0x01); +#endif outb(TSIDX, 0x02); outb(TSREG, 0x04); outb(TSIDX, 0x04); outb(TSREG, 0x07); +#ifndef SC_BAD_FLICKER outb(TSIDX, 0x00); outb(TSREG, 0x03); +#endif outb(GDCIDX, 0x04); outb(GDCREG, 0x02); outb(GDCIDX, 0x05); outb(GDCREG, 0x00); outb(GDCIDX, 0x06); outb(GDCREG, 0x04); #else +#ifndef SC_BAD_FLICKER outw(TSIDX, 0x0100); +#endif outw(TSIDX, 0x0402); outw(TSIDX, 0x0704); +#ifndef SC_BAD_FLICKER outw(TSIDX, 0x0300); +#endif outw(GDCIDX, 0x0204); outw(GDCIDX, 0x0005); outw(GDCIDX, 0x0406); /* addr = a0000, 64kb */ @@ -4766,10 +4774,14 @@ outb(ATC, 0x20); /* enable palette */ #if SLOW_VGA +#ifndef SC_BAD_FLICKER outb(TSIDX, 0x00); outb(TSREG, 0x01); +#endif outb(TSIDX, 0x02); outb(TSREG, buf[0]); outb(TSIDX, 0x04); outb(TSREG, buf[1]); +#ifndef SC_BAD_FLICKER outb(TSIDX, 0x00); outb(TSREG, 0x03); +#endif outb(GDCIDX, 0x04); outb(GDCREG, buf[2]); outb(GDCIDX, 0x05); outb(GDCREG, buf[3]); if (crtc_addr == MONO_BASE) { @@ -4778,10 +4790,14 @@ outb(GDCIDX, 0x06); outb(GDCREG,(buf[4] & 0x03) | 0x0c); } #else +#ifndef SC_BAD_FLICKER outw(TSIDX, 0x0100); +#endif outw(TSIDX, 0x0002 | (buf[0] << 8)); outw(TSIDX, 0x0004 | (buf[1] << 8)); +#ifndef SC_BAD_FLICKER outw(TSIDX, 0x0300); +#endif outw(GDCIDX, 0x0004 | (buf[2] << 8)); outw(GDCIDX, 0x0005 | (buf[3] << 8)); if (crtc_addr == MONO_BASE) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Aug 3 06:57:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27449 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 06:57:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA27444 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 06:57:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from hamilton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 3 Aug 98 14:56:57 +0100 (BST) To: Carl.Makin@ipaustralia.gov.au cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CTM updates stopped? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Aug 1998 12:10:49 +1000." <4A256655.000B3049.00@noteshub01.aipo.gov.au> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:56:57 +0100 From: David Malone Message-ID: <9808031456.aa15088@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Can anyone tell me why there have been no CTM updates in the > /pub/FreeBSD/CTM/src-2.2 and src-cur directories since July 8? > > I've been tracking both stable and current by using mirror to download the > CTM deltas. I mailed about this too and got no reply. I have discovered that ctm deltas are available at ctm.freebsd.org, but this doesn't explain why ftp.freebsd.org doen't have them. David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Aug 3 07:14:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA29434 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:14:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA29326 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:13:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id QAA08307; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:08:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from semyam.dinoco.de (semyam.dinoco.de [127.0.0.1]) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04949; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:49:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Message-Id: <199808031349.PAA04949@semyam.dinoco.de> To: Igor Roshchin cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, seggers@semyam.dinoco.de Subject: Re: T440BX and Symbios Logic* 53C875JBE In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:46:55 CDT." <199807311746.MAA03242@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 15:49:54 +0200 From: Stefan Eggers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > my two main concerns are: > > 1. Conflict between integrated PCI Cirrus Logic* GD 5480 graphics > controller and AGP graphics controller plugged into the AGP slot. Doesn't it turn off the built in hardware if there is a card in some PCI slot or in this case the AGP slot? But that you better ask the person who sells it or the manufacturer. > 2. SCSI controller: > Symbios Logic* 53C875JBE Ultra > I didn't find any reference to it in the Handbook/FAQ It once was NCR and now is Symbios from what I know. I'd expect it to work with the ncr(4) driver. Stefan. -- Stefan Eggers Lu4 yao2 zhi1 ma3 li4, Max-Slevogt-Str. 1 ri4 jiu3 jian4 ren2 xin1. 51109 Koeln Federal Republic of Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Aug 3 08:38:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA10766 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:38:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from outcast.media-net.net (outcast.media-net.net [206.52.136.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA10705 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:38:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisj@outcast.media-net.net) Received: from localhost (chrisj@localhost) by outcast.media-net.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA00445 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:40:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chrisj@outcast.media-net.net) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:40:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: WD errors Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG within the last week i have been running into problems when the system will go idle. It will still take something like telnet/http/ftp connections but will never complete them and allow the login. it will connect up but then never display a prompt. Errors on the console are as follows. wd0s1f: wdstart: timeout waiting to give command reading fsbn 3148892 of 3148892-3148893 (wd0s1 bn 3689468; cn 229 tn 167 sn 62)wd0: status 80 error 80. after afew screens of that the message will turn to wd0: wdunwedge failed: > wd0: status 80 error 80 > wd0s1f: wdstart: timeout waiting to give command reading fsbn 3148892 of 3148892-3148893 (wd0s1 bn 3689468; cn 229 tn 167 sn 62)wd0: status 80 error 80. the system will remain on-line (ie pingable) but will no longer display a console login either. a hard boot will take care of the problem but once the system drops into idle again they will reserface. Thanks chris jeter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Aug 3 09:13:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15888 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:13:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles335.castles.com [208.214.167.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA15770 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:13:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA14148; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808031612.JAA14148@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Chris cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WD errors In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Aug 1998 10:40:12 CDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 09:12:25 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > within the last week i have been running into problems when the system > will go idle. It will still take something like telnet/http/ftp > connections but will never complete them and allow the login. it will > connect up but then never display a prompt. Errors on the console are as > follows. wd0s1f: wdstart: timeout waiting to give command reading fsbn > 3148892 of 3148892-3148893 (wd0s1 bn 3689468; cn 229 tn 167 sn 62)wd0: > status 80 error 80. after afew screens of that the message > will turn to wd0: wdunwedge failed: > > wd0: status 80 error 80 > > wd0s1f: wdstart: timeout waiting to give command reading fsbn 3148892 of > 3148892-3148893 (wd0s1 bn 3689468; cn 229 tn 167 sn 62)wd0: status > 80 error 80. the system will remain on-line (ie pingable) > but will no longer display a console login either. a hard boot will take > care of the problem but once the system drops into idle again they will > reserface. Your disk seems to be struggling with a bad block. The best thing to do at this point is throw the disk out and get a new one, as with any modern IDE disk you will only get to this point once all of the available spare sectors have been used up. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Aug 3 09:53:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23574 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:53:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lionking.org (blacker-99.caltech.edu [131.215.86.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23567 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:53:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from btman@ugcs.caltech.edu) Received: from localhost (btman@localhost) by lionking.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA14833; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:52:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: lionking.org: btman owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:52:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Tiemann X-Sender: btman@lionking.org To: Chris cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WD errors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Chris wrote: > within the last week i have been running into problems when the system > will go idle. It will still take something like telnet/http/ftp > connections but will never complete them and allow the login. it will > connect up but then never display a prompt. Errors on the console are as > follows. wd0s1f: wdstart: timeout waiting to give command reading fsbn > 3148892 of 3148892-3148893 (wd0s1 bn 3689468; cn 229 tn 167 sn 62)wd0: > status 80 error 80. after afew screens of that the message > will turn to wd0: wdunwedge failed: > > wd0: status 80 error 80 > > wd0s1f: wdstart: timeout waiting to give command reading fsbn 3148892 of > 3148892-3148893 (wd0s1 bn 3689468; cn 229 tn 167 sn 62)wd0: status > 80 error 80. the system will remain on-line (ie pingable) > but will no longer display a console login either. a hard boot will take > care of the problem but once the system drops into idle again they will > reserface. I had that same thing happen to me, on a 2.2.2-RELEASE system. I went through all sorts of theories, from heat problems on the disk itself (it often wouldn't mount on boot after this until I'd put the disk in the freezer for an hour or so), to a flaky power supply, to just really bad luck with disks (this happened to a Seagate Medalist and then a WD Caviar disk sequentially). Eventually I went and got an all-SCSI system with a UPS; I'm currently thinking that the errors are resulting from a bad IDE controller, and here's why: On the 2.2.2 system, I did a bad144, and it told me that something like 90% of my disk had bad blocks-- it bailed out after only getting about 36% through the disk. So I assumed the disk was fried... I took it home and put it in a DOS box, ran the WD tools on it (which does a surface scan and general hardware diagnostic)... and it found no errors whatsoever. So whatever the problem was, it's my old machine's hardware. So I'd venture that you might have a flaky IDE controller there. Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Aug 3 10:52:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA06972 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:52:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lionking.org (blacker-99.caltech.edu [131.215.86.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06962 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:52:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from btman@ugcs.caltech.edu) Received: from localhost (btman@localhost) by lionking.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA21858; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:51:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: lionking.org: btman owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:51:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Tiemann X-Sender: btman@lionking.org To: Mike Smith cc: Chris , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WD errors In-Reply-To: <199808031612.JAA14148@antipodes.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > Your disk seems to be struggling with a bad block. The best thing to do > at this point is throw the disk out and get a new one, as with any > modern IDE disk you will only get to this point once all of the > available spare sectors have been used up. Be sure to test the disk, though, before pitching it... as I said earlier, in my experience with this particular problem I took the supposedly hosed disk home, ran the WD diags on it, and got a clean bill of health. Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Aug 3 11:13:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10082 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:13:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu [152.1.88.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10070 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:13:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsdbob@seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu) Received: (from bsdbob@localhost) by seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA18430; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:08:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bsdbob) From: "Robert D. Keys" Message-Id: <199808031808.OAA18430@seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu> Subject: Re: WD errors In-Reply-To: from Brian Tiemann at "Aug 3, 98 09:52:53 am" To: btman@ugcs.caltech.edu (Brian Tiemann) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Cc: chrisj@outcast.media-net.net, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Chris wrote: > > > within the last week i have been running into problems when the system > > will go idle. It will still take something like telnet/http/ftp..... > > > wd0: status 80 error 80 > > > wd0s1f: wdstart: timeout waiting to give command reading fsbn 3148892 of > > 3148892-3148893 (wd0s1 bn 3689468; cn 229 tn 167 sn 62)wd0: status > > 80 error 80..... > I had that same thing happen to me, on a 2.2.2-RELEASE system. I > went through all sorts of theories, from heat problems on the disk itself > (it often wouldn't mount on boot after this until I'd put the disk in the > freezer for an hour or so), to a flaky power supply, to just really bad > luck with disks (this happened to a Seagate Medalist and then a WD Caviar > disk sequentially). That sounds VERY familiar..... > Eventually I went and got an all-SCSI system with a UPS; I'm > currently thinking that the errors are resulting from a bad IDE > controller, and here's why: On the 2.2.2 system, I did a bad144, and it > told me that something like 90% of my disk had bad blocks-- it bailed out > after only getting about 36% through the disk. So I assumed the disk was > fried... I took it home and put it in a DOS box, ran the WD tools on it > (which does a surface scan and general hardware diagnostic)... and it > found no errors whatsoever. > > So whatever the problem was, it's my old machine's hardware. So > I'd venture that you might have a flaky IDE controller there. I had similar sorts of problems using some cheap clone motherboards (the baby xt sized things from mainland China, in particular). They were VERY sensitive to the controller speed capability, and if I was not careful, they would bomb out. I sense it has a bit to do with clocking speeds on the bus, since that helped cure it on one board. I had similar sorts of problems with power supply brownouts using a tape drive that pushed the limit of the power supply in the chassis a little too closely. It wrote strange things in the IDE drive, that eventually caused it to fail. My expectation is that the ide badsector tables were overwritten in part on the brownouts. The power supply thing is very unpredictable. If you run out of power and it browns out, strange things can happen. Now I mount the tape drives externally with their own power supplies, and that seems to cure most of that kind of brownout problem, if the power supply is marginal. If the HD is on its last legs, sometimes it can be resurrected with the Seagate IDE formatting utility (available from their archives and I think from the oakland msdos archives). It has allowed me to recover most bellyup IDE drives, since it actually does a real LLFMT on the drives. It takes forever to run though (sometimes DAYS). It works on all kinds of IDE drives if you set the parameters manually. IF it is a random intermittent problem, suspect the motherboard or controller. IF it is an intermittent problem that hits when drives access suspect the power supply. Good Luck RDK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Aug 3 11:36:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA13328 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:36:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pc-21490.bc.rogers.wave.ca (pc-21490.bc.rogers.wave.ca [24.113.51.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13278 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:36:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jh@pc-21490.bc.rogers.wave.ca) Received: (from jh@localhost) by pc-21490.bc.rogers.wave.ca (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA01901; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808031835.LAA01901@pc-21490.bc.rogers.wave.ca> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199808031612.JAA14148@antipodes.cdrom.com> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Jonathan Hanna Organization: Pangolin Systems From: Jonathan Hanna To: Chris Subject: Re: WD errors Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 03-Aug-98 Mike Smith wrote: >> ... >> follows. wd0s1f: wdstart: timeout waiting to give command reading fsbn >> 3148892 of 3148892-3148893 (wd0s1 bn 3689468; cn 229 tn 167 sn 62)wd0: >> status 80 error 80. after afew screens of that the message >> will turn to wd0: wdunwedge failed: >> > wd0: status 80 error 80 >> > wd0s1f: wdstart: timeout waiting to give command reading fsbn 3148892 of >> 3148892-3148893 (wd0s1 bn 3689468; cn 229 tn 167 sn 62)wd0: status >> 80 error 80. the system will remain on-line (ie pingable) >> ... > > Your disk seems to be struggling with a bad block. The best thing to do > at this point is throw the disk out and get a new one, as with any > modern IDE disk you will only get to this point once all of the > available spare sectors have been used up. When you give up on reading the block, you might try writing it and then rereading. It may have been a bad write as opposed to a bad block. I think I have caused this type of error with bad power connections but am not really sure. Jonathan Hanna To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Aug 3 11:56:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16015 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:56:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gateway.mpath.com (gateway.mpath.com [204.242.182.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16010 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:56:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rosko@mpath.com) Received: from nodserv.mpath.com (nodserv.mpath.com [206.233.214.16]) by gateway.mpath.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA27568 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rosko.mpath.com (rosko-pc.mpath.com [206.233.215.207]) by nodserv.mpath.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA13176 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980803115454.0155c100@mail.mpath.com> X-Sender: rosko@mail.mpath.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:54:54 -0700 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Steve Roskowski Subject: install friendly? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG two problems first - as a "new" user of FreeBSD, the install procedure drove me absolutely nuts. After 8 hours, I handed it over to a professional. 2 days, 8 reinstalls of Windows98 & FreeBSD and now it works. More on this later if it matters. Second - the system does not recogonize my IDE ZIP drive. It is the slave on the second built in IDE controller, with the first controller supporting an HD and CDROM. The master slot on the second IDE bus is vacant. The after finding the first IDE controller, it looks for (from memory) wdc0 at 0x170 (proper address from Win98 for 2nd IDE) and does not find anything, so it skips the ZIP drive. Suggestions? Given my painful intitial install experience I am a little gun-shy about moving things around without input. - on the install, some details system has an IDE HD on the built in controller and an Adapted PCI card with a 4 gig drive. The target configuration was Win95 on the IDE and FreeBSD on SCSI. Apparently after many many attempts this is not possible. Although all of the tools blindly let you proceed, when FreeBSD tries to boot it panics, unable to find root, and promptly writes a boot record into the bottom of the Win95 drive, corrupting it. The entire system is then dead, forcing a complete reinstall. The system now works with a small root partition on the IDE drive for FreeBSD along with Win95, and the usr partition on SCSI. Acceptable, but I sure wish the docs or the tools would have saved me 3 days. steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Aug 3 12:35:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23975 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:35:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23961 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:35:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00607; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:34:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808031934.MAA00607@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Steve Roskowski cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: install friendly? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:54:54 PDT." <3.0.5.32.19980803115454.0155c100@mail.mpath.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 12:34:10 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > two problems > > first - as a "new" user of FreeBSD, the install procedure drove me > absolutely nuts. After 8 hours, I handed it over to a professional. 2 > days, 8 reinstalls of Windows98 & FreeBSD and now it works. More on this > later if it matters. Depends on whether these are pilot-error mistakes or genuine problems. > Second - the system does not recogonize my IDE ZIP drive. It is the slave > on the second built in IDE controller, with the first controller supporting > an HD and CDROM. The master slot on the second IDE bus is vacant. This is an illegal configuration. It's sufficiently common that we try to work around it, but we don't handle the Zip well in this case. You should never have a slave without a master (that's got to be obvious, surely). > - on the install, some details > system has an IDE HD on the built in controller and an Adapted PCI card > with a 4 gig drive. The target configuration was Win95 on the IDE and > FreeBSD on SCSI. Apparently after many many attempts this is not possible. Yes, and relatively straightforward too. Lots of people do this all the time. > Although all of the tools blindly let you proceed, when FreeBSD tries to > boot it panics, unable to find root, and promptly writes a boot record into > the bottom of the Win95 drive, corrupting it. The entire system is then > dead, forcing a complete reinstall. FreeBSD does no such thing. You may have other software intalled, or a virus, or a faulty boot manager, but FreeBSD will not write to disks that it hasn't mounted. > The system now works with a small root partition on the IDE drive for > FreeBSD along with Win95, and the usr partition on SCSI. Acceptable, but I > sure wish the docs or the tools would have saved me 3 days. The correct process is to install to the SCSI drive, then boot with 1:sd(0,a)freebsd as documented on the help screen shown by the bootstrap. You can put this string in /boot.config in order to simplify things. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Aug 3 13:39:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04342 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:39:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04336 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:39:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13838; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808032035.NAA13838@implode.root.com> To: David Malone cc: Carl.Makin@ipaustralia.gov.au, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CTM updates stopped? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:56:57 BST." <9808031456.aa15088@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 13:35:18 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> Can anyone tell me why there have been no CTM updates in the >> /pub/FreeBSD/CTM/src-2.2 and src-cur directories since July 8? >> >> I've been tracking both stable and current by using mirror to download the >> CTM deltas. > >I mailed about this too and got no reply. I have discovered that >ctm deltas are available at ctm.freebsd.org, but this doesn't explain >why ftp.freebsd.org doen't have them. ftp.freebsd.org doesn't have them because the mirror is broken. I've asked people involved to help fix this, but nothing yet has happend. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Aug 3 14:32:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA14450 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:32:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pcpsj.pfcs.com (harlan.fred.net [205.252.219.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14355 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:32:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Harlan.Stenn@pfcs.com) Received: from mumps.pfcs.com [192.52.69.11] (HELO mumps.pfcs.com) by pcpsj.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brown.pfcs.com [192.52.69.44] (HELO brown.pfcs.com) by mumps.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1] (HELO brown.pfcs.com) by brown.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:32:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Evan Champion" cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, "Harlan Stenn" Subject: Re: NFS trouble with -stable? In-Reply-To: "Evan Champion"'s (evanc@synapse.net) message dated Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:26:15. <020501bdbed9$e9fd1560$c9252fce@synapse.net> X-Face: "csXK}xnnsH\h_ce`T#|pM]tG,6Xu.{3Rb\]&XJgVyTS'w{E+|-(}n:c(Cc* $cbtusxDP6T)Hr'k&zrwq0.3&~bAI~YJco[r.mE+K|(q]F=ZNXug:s6tyOk{VTqARy0#axm6BWti9C d Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 17:32:03 -0400 Message-ID: <19642.902179923@brown.pfcs.com> From: Harlan Stenn Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Evan, What sort of "feature" is it? Thanks... H > It's a "feature" -- try NFS version 2 instead (mount with nfsv2). > > Evan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harlan Stenn > To: > Date: Monday, August 03, 1998 12:48 AM > Subject: NFS trouble with -stable? > > > >I'm trying to "make buildworld" on a "current" -STABLE machine. > > > >The machine I'm running the build on does an NFS mount of its /usr/src and > >/usr/obj trees, which are hosted on another -STABLE box. > > > >The "underlying" version for these two boxes is -STABLE as of about 3 June > >1998. > > > >I'm running into a problem in that several of the .depend files (at least) > >seem to have large hunks of NUL bytes in them. > > > >Anybody have any ideas on what might be going on here? > > > >How about ideas on how I can figure out if it's something stupid I'm doing > >or if it's a bug? > > > >H To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Aug 3 14:37:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA15323 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:37:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fourier.physics.purdue.edu (fourier.physics.purdue.edu [128.210.146.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA15267 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:37:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonsmith@physics.purdue.edu) Received: from localhost (jonsmith@localhost) by fourier.physics.purdue.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA04786 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:37:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:37:08 -0500 (EST) From: Jonathan Smith To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WD errors In-Reply-To: <199808031835.LAA01901@pc-21490.bc.rogers.wave.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm hearing (and as I've had similar problems and still do) a tune getting repeated. Is it that ide setups vary, or some reason such as that that we haven't killed the problem? jon The Microsoft Soloution, "newfs && make reinstall" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Aug 3 14:42:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16448 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:42:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from conductor.synapse.net (conductor.synapse.net [199.84.54.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA16314 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:42:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from evanc@synapse.net) Received: (qmail 16891 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1998 21:41:51 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO cello) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Aug 1998 21:41:51 -0000 Message-ID: <003301bdbf27$55cbeee0$c9252fce@cello.synapse.net> From: "Evan Champion" To: "Harlan Stenn" Cc: , "Harlan Stenn" Subject: Re: NFS trouble with -stable? Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:37:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >What sort of "feature" is it? NFS version 3 is very broken in FreeBSD and no one has gotten around to fixing it yet. As I said, use version 2 instead. Evan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Aug 3 15:03:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19413 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:03:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (in-ruhr.ruhr.de [141.39.224.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19404 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:03:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bs@devnull.ruhr.de) Received: (from admin@localhost) by mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5) with UUCP id XAA10131; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 23:37:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [192.168.22.75] (helo=rm.devnull.ruhr.de) by devnull.ruhr.de with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0z2tqH-0002bl-00; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:50:13 +0200 Received: from bs by rm.devnull.ruhr.de with local (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0z2tq7-0000g3-00; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:50:03 +0200 To: Scott Cc: Nathan Dorfman , Andrew Bromage , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD writers as a backup medium References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Benedikt Stockebrand Date: 02 Aug 1998 10:50:02 +0200 In-Reply-To: Scott's message of "Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:56:41 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: <87u33v939g.fsf@devnull.ruhr.de> Lines: 46 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Scott writes: > The 7502 can be found for $269 or less for the bare drive. Its a 4x8 drive > with 1MB or 2MB cache (can't remember). DAT drives are nice, but the > drives are quite expensive. Just for comparison, a Seagate DDS-2 streamer costs about DM 900 ~= US$ 500 here in Germany. A DDS-2 (90 m) tape is DM 6.50 ~= US$ 3.70. At my former company we've used these tapes approx. five times before they were retired. We needed two 90m tapes per night for approx. 7 GB of data. That's DM 2.60 ~= US$ 1.45 per night on media. Doing five backups per week we got DM 13.20 ~= US$ 7.25 per week, DM 686.40 ~= US$ 380 per year on media. Assuming 11 CD-Rs per night for the same amount of data and cheap CD-Rs at US$ 1 each you'd pay US$ 11 per night for that backup, US$ 55 per week, US$ 2860 per year for the media. That's assuming that you don't have any write faults. If you did the backup on CD-Rs you'd have to write the nightly backup to a holding disk and write them out during the following day. You'll know the US prices of some 8GB of SCSI disk space better than I do. Looks like the CD-R approach will be a bit more expensive in the long run. And then you'll have to change CD-R's every couple of minutes which is a major pain in the behind. > Plus, you can't beat the versatility of a CD-ROM. If you're talking about archival you're probably right. For backup, especially above the 650 MB limit, you wouldn't really want to try. So long, Ben -- Ben(edikt)? Stockebrand Un*x SA My name and email address are not to be added to any list used for advertising purposes. Any sender of unsolicited advertisement e-mail to this address im- plicitly agrees to pay a DM 500 fee to the recipient for proofreading services. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Aug 3 15:08:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19788 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:08:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19783 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:08:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01335; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808032207.PAA01335@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Jonathan Smith cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WD errors In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Aug 1998 16:37:08 CDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 15:07:12 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm hearing (and as I've had similar problems and still do) a tune getting > repeated. Is it that ide setups vary, or some reason such as that that we > haven't killed the problem? There are two cases here; one where the drive is taking a very long time to time out, and we give up on it first. I'm still waiting for some results from someone that was testing an extended delay for this, but basically we can increase the delay and give the drive time to sort itself out. In the other case, though, where the drive is screwed, there is nothing to "kill". The problem is hardware, and the only solution is to ditch the hardware and replace it. As has been mentioned, you can run a dd pass over the drive to give it a chance to write-reallocate the block (if it has failed on a read), but again, that's nothing that can be "fixed" in software. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Aug 3 15:11:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA20276 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:11:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from SchematiX.net (schematix.net [24.234.31.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20265 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:11:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott@SchematiX.net) Received: from localhost (scott@localhost) by SchematiX.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA00477; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:10:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott@SchematiX.net) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:10:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott To: Benedikt Stockebrand cc: Nathan Dorfman , Andrew Bromage , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD writers as a backup medium In-Reply-To: <87u33v939g.fsf@devnull.ruhr.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2 Aug 1998, Benedikt Stockebrand wrote: > Scott writes: > > > The 7502 can be found for $269 or less for the bare drive. Its a 4x8 drive > > with 1MB or 2MB cache (can't remember). DAT drives are nice, but the > > drives are quite expensive. > > Just for comparison, a Seagate DDS-2 streamer costs about DM 900 ~= > US$ 500 here in Germany. A DDS-2 (90 m) tape is DM 6.50 ~= US$ 3.70. > > At my former company we've used these tapes approx. five times before > they were retired. We needed two 90m tapes per night for approx. 7 GB > of data. That's DM 2.60 ~= US$ 1.45 per night on media. Doing five > backups per week we got DM 13.20 ~= US$ 7.25 per week, DM 686.40 ~= > US$ 380 per year on media. > > Assuming 11 CD-Rs per night for the same amount of data and cheap CD-Rs > at US$ 1 each you'd pay US$ 11 per night for that backup, US$ 55 per > week, US$ 2860 per year for the media. That's assuming that you don't > have any write faults. what someone uses for backing up would largely depend on how much they backup. > > If you did the backup on CD-Rs you'd have to write the nightly backup > to a holding disk and write them out during the following day. You'll > know the US prices of some 8GB of SCSI disk space better than I do. > > Looks like the CD-R approach will be a bit more expensive in the long > run. just depends on what you have to burn...if you only have 500MB to backup, CD-Rs would definately be the cheaper way to go. If you have 25GB to backup, something larger would definately be in order. > And then you'll have to change CD-R's every couple of minutes which is > a major pain in the behind. at 4x about every 20 minutes.....2x about 40 minutes.. > > > Plus, you can't beat the versatility of a CD-ROM. > > If you're talking about archival you're probably right. For backup, > especially above the 650 MB limit, you wouldn't really want to try. > > > So long, > > Ben > > -- > Ben(edikt)? Stockebrand Un*x SA > My name and email address are not to be added to any list used for advertising > purposes. Any sender of unsolicited advertisement e-mail to this address im- > plicitly agrees to pay a DM 500 fee to the recipient for proofreading services. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Aug 3 17:44:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA06579 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:44:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA06572 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:44:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@obie.softweyr.com) Received: (from wes@localhost) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28404; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:44:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes) From: Wes Peters Message-Id: <199808040044.SAA28404@obie.softweyr.com> Subject: Re: install friendly? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980803115454.0155c100@mail.mpath.com> from Steve Roskowski at "Aug 3, 98 11:54:54 am" To: rosko@mpath.com (Steve Roskowski) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:44:06 -0600 (MDT) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve Roskowski recently said: > two problems > > first - as a "new" user of FreeBSD, the install procedure drove me > absolutely nuts. After 8 hours, I handed it over to a professional. 2 > days, 8 reinstalls of Windows98 & FreeBSD and now it works. More on this > later if it matters. > > Second - the system does not recogonize my IDE ZIP drive. It is the slave > on the second built in IDE controller, with the first controller supporting > an HD and CDROM. The master slot on the second IDE bus is vacant. The > after finding the first IDE controller, it looks for (from memory) wdc0 at > 0x170 (proper address from Win98 for 2nd IDE) and does not find anything, > so it skips the ZIP drive. Suggestions? Given my painful intitial install > experience I am a little gun-shy about moving things around without input. You can't use an IDE bus without a master on it; the "controller" is on the master drive. Put the drive on a working bus. > - on the install, some details > system has an IDE HD on the built in controller and an Adapted PCI card > with a 4 gig drive. The target configuration was Win95 on the IDE and > FreeBSD on SCSI. Apparently after many many attempts this is not possible. > Although all of the tools blindly let you proceed, when FreeBSD tries to > boot it panics, unable to find root, and promptly writes a boot record into > the bottom of the Win95 drive, corrupting it. The entire system is then > dead, forcing a complete reinstall. I ran a system like this, we Virus95 on IDE and FreeBSD on SCSI for years. I don't recommend it; with Ultra-IDe drives I suggest all IDE for "workstation" machines and al SCSI for heavily used servers, but it should work fine. If you can provide some DETAILS about what your hardware is, and what the actual problems encountered were, it can probably be diagnosed quickly. > The system now works with a small root partition on the IDE drive for > FreeBSD along with Win95, and the usr partition on SCSI. Acceptable, but I > sure wish the docs or the tools would have saved me 3 days. Did you start by reading the instructions, the hardware FAQ, etc.? the most common problem is users assuming "Win95 works on this, so my hardware must be good/ok/usable/not complete garbage." None of the above is necessarily true, just because it works with Win95. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Aug 3 22:37:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03771 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:37:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA03755 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:37:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfieber@indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA02924; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:36:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:36:26 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Mike Smith cc: Steve Roskowski , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: install friendly? In-Reply-To: <199808031934.MAA00607@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > first - as a "new" user of FreeBSD, the install procedure drove me > > absolutely nuts. After 8 hours, I handed it over to a professional. 2 > > days, 8 reinstalls of Windows98 & FreeBSD and now it works. More on this > > later if it matters. > > Depends on whether these are pilot-error mistakes or genuine problems. Pilot errors *are* genuine problems. The whole point of interface design and usability engineering is to deal with pilot error. This entails making sure the pilot has a correct understanding of what they need to do, enabling them to do it with minimal opportunity for errors, and providing for recovery when errors do happen. Okay, now back to your regularly scheduled broadcast. :-) -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 03:45:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA02410 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 03:45:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from plab.ku.dk (plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA02384 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 03:44:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from voland@plab.ku.dk) Received: from eagle.plab.ku.dk (eagle.plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.63]) by plab.ku.dk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA19286 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:44:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199808041044.MAA19286@plab.ku.dk> From: "Vadim Belman" To: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 12:45:31 +0100 Reply-To: "Vadim Belman" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: dpt controller Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! Is there any description or documentation for kernel's dpt controller usage? I'm trying to get my FreeBSD server work with CLARiiON RAID system and I have some performance problems. So, any information would be useful. ---- /Voland FIDO: 2:464/1015@fidonet, Vadim Belman e-mail: voland@plab.ku.dk WWW: http://www.plab.ku.dk/voland To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 06:46:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27390 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:46:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from beast.freibergnet.de (beast.freibergnet.de [194.123.255.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27377 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:46:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mw@freibergnet.de) Received: from zoo.freibergnet.de (zoo.freibergnet.de [194.123.255.71]) by beast.freibergnet.de (8.8.5/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13983 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:46:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mw@freibergnet.de) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 15:45:27 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: mw@freibergnet.de Organization: FreibergNet Liebscher & Partner Werbeagentur und XLink-PoP Freiberg From: Martin Welk To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ftp problems Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, one of our customers has a wired ftp problem: If he tries to put a file to our ftp server that is bigger than 25 KByte the data gets screwed up. That means, for example, a HTML document contains some lines of ^@ symbols (using less :-) ) in the text before it goes on normally. The same happens with other files, and changing between BINARY and ASCII mode has no effect. He uses passive mode ftp, as he is behind a firewall (a Novell MPR). Transferring files to another server on our net works without problems, putting files to another server in another net, too. The system is a HP NetServer 5/166 LC (Pentium 166) with 96 MByte RAM, two SCSI disks (2 and 4 GB), DAT tape, 3x10-Mbit/s-Ethernet and has an ipfirewall running, as it's routing between those three ethernet cards (only IP routing). It run's an early 2.2-RELEASE compiled by Joerg Wunsch with ftpd 6.0, and does everything else absolutely flawless, so we haven't had a reason to upgrade yet. And other customers do definitely not have similar problems, even with much larger files. The machine is somewhat loaded doing WWW server, SMTP server, DNS, but as we have currently a 64k link it's never overloaded. The destinations to which the transfers worked are an NT 4.0 server (what a pity!) and a machine running 2.2.6-RELEASE. This machine is located behind another machine also running 2.2.6 which does routing and firewall. HELP! I simply don't know how to search anymore. I have recompiled the ftpd from the 2.2 sources from which our system has been created in March '95 and reinstalled it, perhaps that will be help, but unfortunately the customer has a network problem at the moment and can't try it... Regards, Martin -- Liebscher & Partner Werbeagentur GbR // Martin Welk Advertising, Art Design & DTP // network administration Xlink Point Of Presence Freiberg // phone: (+49|0) 3731 781-387 Am St. Niclas Schacht 13 // fax: (+49|0) 3731 781-377 D-09599 Freiberg, Germany // http://www.freibergnet.de/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 07:11:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA02542 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:11:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alecto.physics.uiuc.edu (alecto.physics.uiuc.edu [130.126.8.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA02470 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:11:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from igor@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu) Received: (from igor@localhost) by alecto.physics.uiuc.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) id JAA06287; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:10:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Igor Roshchin Message-Id: <199808041410.JAA06287@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: T440BX and Symbios Logic* 53C875JBE In-Reply-To: <199808031349.PAA04949@semyam.dinoco.de> from "Stefan Eggers" at "Aug 3, 1998 3:49:54 pm" To: seggers@semyam.dinoco.de (Stefan Eggers) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:10:56 -0500 (CDT) Cc: igor@physics.uiuc.edu, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > my two main concerns are: > > > > 1. Conflict between integrated PCI Cirrus Logic* GD 5480 graphics > > controller and AGP graphics controller plugged into the AGP slot. > > Doesn't it turn off the built in hardware if there is a card in some > PCI slot or in this case the AGP slot? But that you better ask the > person who sells it or the manufacturer. > Thanks for all responses. I just received an answer from the Intel's engineer (on Intel's forum), which might be useful to someone. IgoR ================8< =========================================== From Hal G Date Sent Mon, 03 Aug 1998 13:09:57 -0700 Subject Re: T440BX and disabling PCI controller in BIOS Organization Intel Internet Technical Support - 300001 Igor wrote: > > I wonder if it is possible to disable the Cirrus Logic controller > using BIOS or such. > I've read a response how it's possible to disable it > in Windows, but I would be using this computer with FreeBSD or some > other Unix or Unix-like OS, and would prefer to use the AGP card I have. > > Thanks, > > Igor > > PS. I am curious: what is the reason of having an integrated [PCI] graphics > controller (with limited RAM!) and AGP slot at the same time ? Igor, I do not know of a way to disable the Cirrus Logic controller in UNIX. You cannot disable it in BIOS or the SSU. -- Hal G Intel Internet Support Engineer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 07:18:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA04745 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:18:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxyb1-atm.san.rr.com (proxyb1-atm.san.rr.com [204.210.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA04714 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:18:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erich@compecon.com) Received: from compecon.com (dt082nc1.san.rr.com [204.210.24.193]) by proxyb1-atm.san.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA10009; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35C71807.70B0C155@compecon.com> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 14:17:43 +0000 From: unsafe at any speed X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WD errors References: <199808032207.PAA01335@dingo.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > > > I'm hearing (and as I've had similar problems and still do) a tune getting > > repeated. Is it that ide setups vary, or some reason such as that that we > > haven't killed the problem? > > There are two cases here; one where the drive is taking a very long > time to time out, and we give up on it first. I'm still waiting for > some results from someone that was testing an extended delay for this, > but basically we can increase the delay and give the drive time to sort > itself out. > > In the other case, though, where the drive is screwed, there is nothing > to "kill". The problem is hardware, and the only solution is to ditch > the hardware and replace it. > > As has been mentioned, you can run a dd pass over the drive to give it > a chance to write-reallocate the block (if it has failed on a read), > but again, that's nothing that can be "fixed" in software. My hardware identifies somewhat with that of the original poster, who commented that after his system had been idle, he gets timeouts from his hard drive. I have an IDE drive containing Win95 partitions (and thus very rarely accessed under FreeBSD) which spins down when it has been idle for a while. If I mount it and leave it idle in FreeBSD and then access it later, I get the following errors repeated once or twice while the drive spins up again: Aug 3 07:08:44 dt082nc1 /kernel: wd0: interrupt timeout: Aug 3 07:08:44 dt082nc1 /kernel: wd0: status 50 error 0 .. and then it continues on its merry way. Here's what I gots, in case it is useful: wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0x80ff80ff on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): , 32-bit, multi-block-16 wd0: 2014MB (4124736 sectors), 4092 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S So, a suggestion to the original poster: check your BIOS settings and see if you can disable the IDE "power down when idle" function, generally found on the power-saving options screen. cheers, Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 09:00:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA29012 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:00:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spawn.nectar.com (spawn.nectar.com [204.27.67.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA28946 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:00:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nectar@spawn.nectar.com) Received: from localhost.nectar.com ([127.0.0.1] helo=spawn.nectar.com) by spawn.nectar.com with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0z3jV4-0001nt-00; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:59:46 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 X-PGP-RSAfprint: 00 F9 E6 A2 C5 4D 0A 76 26 8B 8B 57 73 D0 DE EE X-PGP-RSAkey: http://www.nectar.com/nectar-pgp262.txt From: Jacques Vidrine In-reply-to: References: Subject: Re: ftp problems To: mw@freibergnet.de cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 10:59:46 -0500 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Check network equipment. I've seen similar problems with bad CSU/DSUs, for example. Jacques Vidrine / n@nectar.com / jvidrine@verio.net / nectar@FreeBSD.org On 4 August 1998 at 15:45, Martin Welk wrote: > Hi, > > one of our customers has a wired ftp problem: > > If he tries to put a file to our ftp server that is bigger than 25 KByte > the data gets screwed up. That means, for example, a HTML document contains > some lines of ^@ symbols (using less :-) ) in the text before it goes on > normally. The same happens with other files, and changing between BINARY and > ASCII mode has no effect. He uses passive mode ftp, as he is behind a > firewall (a Novell MPR). Transferring files to another server on our net > works without problems, putting files to another server in another net, too. > > The system is a HP NetServer 5/166 LC (Pentium 166) with 96 MByte RAM, > two SCSI disks (2 and 4 GB), DAT tape, 3x10-Mbit/s-Ethernet and has an > ipfirewall running, as it's routing between those three ethernet cards > (only IP routing). It run's an early 2.2-RELEASE compiled by Joerg Wunsch > with ftpd 6.0, and does everything else absolutely flawless, so we haven't > had a reason to upgrade yet. And other customers do definitely not have > similar problems, even with much larger files. > > The machine is somewhat loaded doing WWW server, SMTP server, DNS, but as we > have currently a 64k link it's never overloaded. > > The destinations to which the transfers worked are an NT 4.0 server (what > a pity!) and a machine running 2.2.6-RELEASE. This machine is located > behind another machine also running 2.2.6 which does routing and firewall. > > HELP! > > I simply don't know how to search anymore. I have recompiled the ftpd from > the 2.2 sources from which our system has been created in March '95 and > reinstalled it, perhaps that will be help, but unfortunately the customer > has a network problem at the moment and can't try it... > > Regards, > > Martin > -- > Liebscher & Partner Werbeagentur GbR // Martin Welk > Advertising, Art Design & DTP // network administration > Xlink Point Of Presence Freiberg // phone: (+49|0) 3731 781-387 > Am St. Niclas Schacht 13 // fax: (+49|0) 3731 781-377 > D-09599 Freiberg, Germany // http://www.freibergnet.de/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNccv8jeRhT8JRySpAQFP1AP/eDRqlraLlCUHtHVRuNJJ/bAvBoFfS8vs WXyw+lCzmnO16WhdnQnIjf50A3Xp7H6U7idb7aZWwAB9lL4pTxKeznGIdtF+xPMx eBloa46SDVEh6ByUYnCKwJNBUj+D2XqTw9xdiipW4c1hd4SGrjkTgQ0f2HHtV1l3 C2gYGmf1plE= =Kcpz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 10:33:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18564 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:33:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA18543 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:33:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0z3kxS-0000au-00; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:33:10 -0700 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:33:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Vadim Belman cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: dpt controller In-Reply-To: <199808041044.MAA19286@plab.ku.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Vadim Belman wrote: > Hi! > > Is there any description or documentation for kernel's dpt > controller usage? I'm trying to get my FreeBSD server work with There is some info in LINT, and the archives for freebsd-scsi has lots of stuff. > CLARiiON RAID system and I have some performance problems. So, any > information would be useful. CLARiiON RAID? That isn't DPT based as far as I know. > ---- > /Voland FIDO: 2:464/1015@fidonet, Vadim Belman > e-mail: voland@plab.ku.dk > WWW: http://www.plab.ku.dk/voland Tom Systems Support Uniserve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 10:35:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA19033 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:35:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.double-barrel.be (mail.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18994 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:35:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.double-barrel.be (8.9.1/8.8.8) id TAA07654; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:34:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: from ns.double-barrel.be(194.7.102.18) via SMTP by mail.double-barrel.be, id smtpdDl7652; Tue Aug 4 19:34:44 1998 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:34:33 +0200 (CEST) From: "Michael C. Vergallen" X-Sender: mvergall@ns.double-barrel.be To: Martin Welk cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've had a simillar problem ones, but this turned out it was due to a Network card being flaky. So I would sugest trying to install an other network card and trying it again. Michael --- Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Martin Welk wrote: > Hi, > > one of our customers has a wired ftp problem: > > If he tries to put a file to our ftp server that is bigger than 25 KByte > the data gets screwed up. That means, for example, a HTML document contains > some lines of ^@ symbols (using less :-) ) in the text before it goes on > normally. The same happens with other files, and changing between BINARY and > ASCII mode has no effect. He uses passive mode ftp, as he is behind a > firewall (a Novell MPR). Transferring files to another server on our net > works without problems, putting files to another server in another net, too. > > The system is a HP NetServer 5/166 LC (Pentium 166) with 96 MByte RAM, > two SCSI disks (2 and 4 GB), DAT tape, 3x10-Mbit/s-Ethernet and has an > ipfirewall running, as it's routing between those three ethernet cards > (only IP routing). It run's an early 2.2-RELEASE compiled by Joerg Wunsch > with ftpd 6.0, and does everything else absolutely flawless, so we haven't > had a reason to upgrade yet. And other customers do definitely not have > similar problems, even with much larger files. > > The machine is somewhat loaded doing WWW server, SMTP server, DNS, but as we > have currently a 64k link it's never overloaded. > > The destinations to which the transfers worked are an NT 4.0 server (what > a pity!) and a machine running 2.2.6-RELEASE. This machine is located > behind another machine also running 2.2.6 which does routing and firewall. > > HELP! > > I simply don't know how to search anymore. I have recompiled the ftpd from > the 2.2 sources from which our system has been created in March '95 and > reinstalled it, perhaps that will be help, but unfortunately the customer > has a network problem at the moment and can't try it... > > Regards, > > Martin > -- > Liebscher & Partner Werbeagentur GbR // Martin Welk > Advertising, Art Design & DTP // network administration > Xlink Point Of Presence Freiberg // phone: (+49|0) 3731 781-387 > Am St. Niclas Schacht 13 // fax: (+49|0) 3731 781-377 > D-09599 Freiberg, Germany // http://www.freibergnet.de/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 10:37:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA19482 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:37:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.double-barrel.be (mail.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA19453 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:37:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.double-barrel.be (8.9.1/8.8.8) id TAA07663; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:36:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: from ns.double-barrel.be(194.7.102.18) via SMTP by mail.double-barrel.be, id smtpdug7660; Tue Aug 4 19:36:30 1998 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:36:20 +0200 (CEST) From: "Michael C. Vergallen" X-Sender: mvergall@ns.double-barrel.be To: Vadim Belman cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: dpt controller In-Reply-To: <199808041044.MAA19286@plab.ku.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It seems their is documentation available in the LINT file. Michael --- Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Vadim Belman wrote: > Hi! > > Is there any description or documentation for kernel's dpt > controller usage? I'm trying to get my FreeBSD server work with > CLARiiON RAID system and I have some performance problems. So, any > information would be useful. > ---- > /Voland FIDO: 2:464/1015@fidonet, Vadim Belman > e-mail: voland@plab.ku.dk > WWW: http://www.plab.ku.dk/voland > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 11:15:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28532 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:15:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feoh.nmarcom.com (feoh.nmarcom.com [209.146.217.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28497; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:15:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@dreaming.org) Received: from [209.146.217.66] (laptop.appletalk.nmarcom.com [209.146.217.66]) by feoh.nmarcom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA23661; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808041814.OAA23661@feoh.nmarcom.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 14:19:11 -0500 Subject: /etc/mail in -stable From: "Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe" To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hallo... i really appreciate the spam helpers and hints in /etc/mail from my recent cvsup'd stable tree, but i'm having a bit of a problem... when in /etc/mail and after typing "make", i get an error: [the:root]/etc/mail# make fetch ftp://ftp.gulf.net/pub/docs/ips.txt fetch: ftp.gulf.net: connection in wrong state *** Error code 74 Stop. I tried to ftp in normally, and then in proxy-mode even.... any ideas what could be up? Any other source available for these files? -Mit --- Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe [WMR2] Systems Administrator/Programmer/Webmaster/Reality Engineer thelab@nmarcom.com - work / shyone@dreaming.org - play mitayai@dreaming.org - volunteer / will@dreaming.org - home ICQ: #7161728 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 15:19:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05119 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:19:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ms1.dgsys.com (ms1.dgsys.com [204.97.64.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05111 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:19:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jchill@dgsys.com) Received: from [204.97.64.155] (gueuze.dgsys.com [204.97.64.155]) by ms1.dgsys.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23496 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:18:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: jchill@pop.dgsys.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:21:52 -0400 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Chris Hill Subject: Install *actually* friendly Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was going to post this anyway, but the recent message from Steve Roskowski (and its followups) has goaded me into action. I just installed FreeBSD a few days ago, and have a couple of gripes. 0. Background: a) I'm a newbie to PC hardware, though I've built dozens of other computers, including scratch-built microcontroller circuits. b) My sysadmin experience has been neither extensive nor recent, but I have seen the stuff. Gripes: 1. The instructions-docs-readmes pertaining to the installation need to be more explicit on the fact that the boot floppy's little kernel has enough smarts to handle an ftp installation all by itself. As they are, the docs seem to have an underlying presumption that the user is installing on an existing PC which is already running WinDOS. So much so, that I was under the impression that one needed some sort of pre-existing internet connectivity in order to install via ftp. (This was a virgin hard drive.) 2. Let's say some poor schmuck is trying to do an installation from floppies. If one of the diskettes is bad, why does the installer claim to have encountered a "Write failure on transfer!" when in fact it was a READ error due to the bad floppy? 3. The schmuck in question can always flip over to the other virtual console and look at the debugging info, but only if he knows to press alt-Fx. The only place I saw this mentioned was in the on-screen help for the *ftp* installation, but no mention was made anywhere else. The virtual console is a truly great feature, but it needs to be documented. Once I got this stuff straightened out, the installation was about as painless as it could possibly be - FreeBSD practically installs itself. Oh yeah, one more thing... 4. Since FreeBSD runs on PC hardware, I would have thought the default configuration would be set up to deal with all the "normal" devices one might expect to find on a PC. Although I don't anticipate using the floppy drive much if at all, still, it *is* there. I would have liked not to have had to manually edit my /etc/fstab just to be able to use my floppy drive. -- Chris Hill jchill@dgsys.com [place witty saying here] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 16:31:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA15948 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:31:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (in-ruhr.ruhr.de [141.39.224.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA15930 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:31:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bs@devnull.ruhr.de) Received: (from admin@localhost) by mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5) with UUCP id BAA03789; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:30:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [192.168.22.75] (helo=rm.devnull.ruhr.de) by devnull.ruhr.de with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0z3fjV-0001N6-00; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:58:26 +0200 Received: from bs by rm.devnull.ruhr.de with local (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0z3fjV-0001ue-00; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:58:25 +0200 To: Steve Roskowski Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: install friendly? References: <3.0.5.32.19980803115454.0155c100@mail.mpath.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Benedikt Stockebrand Date: 04 Aug 1998 13:58:23 +0200 In-Reply-To: Steve Roskowski's message of "Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:54:54 -0700" Message-ID: <87ww8pc61s.fsf@devnull.ruhr.de> Lines: 63 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve Roskowski writes: > first - as a "new" user of FreeBSD, the install procedure drove me > absolutely nuts. After 8 hours, I handed it over to a professional. 2 > days, 8 reinstalls of Windows98 & FreeBSD and now it works. More on this > later if it matters. Sounds more like SCO Open Server or UnixWare than FreeBSD to me :-) Anyway, it _always_ helps to have someone with a little more experience around to help getting started, no matter what OS. > Second - the system does not recogonize my IDE ZIP drive. It is the slave > on the second built in IDE controller, with the first controller supporting > an HD and CDROM. The master slot on the second IDE bus is vacant. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Do you have any reason for this setup? AFAIK it isn't *meant* to work this way. Unless you have really good reason to set things up like that you should consider making the ZIP drive master, or swapping ZIP drive and CDROM and making the CDROM master. If you really need it set up like this you may want to consider building a custom kernel. > - on the install, some details > system has an IDE HD on the built in controller and an Adapted PCI card > with a 4 gig drive. The target configuration was Win95 on the IDE and > FreeBSD on SCSI. Apparently after many many attempts this is not possible. > Although all of the tools blindly let you proceed, when FreeBSD tries to > boot it panics, unable to find root, and promptly writes a boot record into > the bottom of the Win95 drive, corrupting it. The entire system is then > dead, forcing a complete reinstall. I'm not particularly into IDE devices but this *should* work provided you've got a decent MBR/primary boot loader. Anyway, if you can't help it a boot floppy could help at least to get things started. That's not exactly a long-term solution, though. > The system now works with a small root partition on the IDE drive for > FreeBSD along with Win95, and the usr partition on SCSI. Acceptable, but I > sure wish the docs or the tools would have saved me 3 days. Well, as far as your IDE setup is concerned, that's not exactly something that belongs into the FreeBSD docs. I don't know about booting off the second disk, but that sounds like a problem with your boot manager rather than FreeBSD, too. BTW, which boot manager do you use? So long, Ben -- Ben(edikt)? Stockebrand Un*x SA My name and email address are not to be added to any list used for advertising purposes. Any sender of unsolicited advertisement e-mail to this address im- plicitly agrees to pay a DM 500 fee to the recipient for proofreading services. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 16:41:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17350 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:41:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.double-barrel.be (mail.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA17329 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:41:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.double-barrel.be (8.9.1/8.8.8) id BAA08006; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:40:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: from ns.double-barrel.be(194.7.102.18) via SMTP by mail.double-barrel.be, id smtpdDt8001; Wed Aug 5 01:39:59 1998 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:39:49 +0200 (CEST) From: "Michael C. Vergallen" X-Sender: mvergall@ns.double-barrel.be To: Chris Hill cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Chris Hill wrote: > the stuff. > > Gripes: > > 1. The instructions-docs-readmes pertaining to the installation need to be > more explicit on the fact that the boot floppy's little kernel has enough > smarts to handle an ftp installation all by itself. As they are, the docs > seem to have an underlying presumption that the user is installing on an > existing PC which is already running WinDOS. So much so, that I was under > the impression that one needed some sort of pre-existing internet > connectivity in order to install via ftp. (This was a virgin hard drive.) I can see this could cause some problems in the eye of someone not accustommed to PC hardware, but the fact is that most install floppy's for most Unisis can install without requiring anything else besides the boot floppy or floppys. however one does need to have access to a working system to create a boot floppy on. > 2. Let's say some poor schmuck is trying to do an installation from > floppies. If one of the diskettes is bad, why does the installer claim to > have encountered a "Write failure on transfer!" when in fact it was a READ > error due to the bad floppy? > I think that is due to the fact that the comparisson off the byte sizes is different and it assumes that the floppys are correct. > 3. The schmuck in question can always flip over to the other virtual console > and look at the debugging info, but only if he knows to press alt-Fx. The > only place I saw this mentioned was in the on-screen help for the *ftp* > installation, but no mention was made anywhere else. The virtual console is > a truly great feature, but it needs to be documented. True. > > Once I got this stuff straightened out, the installation was about as > painless as it could possibly be - FreeBSD practically installs itself. > > Oh yeah, one more thing... > > 4. Since FreeBSD runs on PC hardware, I would have thought the default > configuration would be set up to deal with all the "normal" devices one > might expect to find on a PC. Although I don't anticipate using the floppy > drive much if at all, still, it *is* there. I would have liked not to have > had to manually edit my /etc/fstab just to be able to use my floppy drive. No .. I would not like to see this happen for the simple reason that I see that most poeple disable the floppy in bios when done installing the system. On some off my systems I disable and remove the floppy after installation to make shure no clown tampers with the data contained on those systems or in event off the systems going down enabling the system to reboot itself without having to worry that a floppy might be in the drive. Michael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 17:25:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA26113 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:25:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gateway.mpath.com (gateway.mpath.com [204.242.182.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA26021 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:25:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rosko@mpath.com) Received: from nodserv.mpath.com (nodserv.mpath.com [206.233.214.16]) by gateway.mpath.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA25971; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rosko.mpath.com (rosko-pc.mpath.com [206.233.215.207]) by nodserv.mpath.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA18028; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980804172310.01567cd0@mail.mpath.com> X-Sender: rosko@mail.mpath.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:23:10 -0700 To: Benedikt Stockebrand From: Steve Roskowski Subject: Re: install friendly? Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <87ww8pc61s.fsf@devnull.ruhr.de> References: <3.0.5.32.19980803115454.0155c100@mail.mpath.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >> Second - the system does not recogonize my IDE ZIP drive. It is the slave >> on the second built in IDE controller, with the first controller supporting >> an HD and CDROM. The master slot on the second IDE bus is vacant. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Do you have any reason for this setup? AFAIK it isn't *meant* to work >this way. > >Unless you have really good reason to set things up like that you >should consider making the ZIP drive master, or swapping ZIP drive and >CDROM and making the CDROM master. > >If you really need it set up like this you may want to consider >building a custom kernel. the docs with the motherboard specifically suggest for configs with IDE HD, CDROM and OTHER that the OTHER be second device on the second bus. I will move it & see. Not being an IDE wiz, it was unclear whether the term master and slave refered to ownership of the bus or to initiate/response relationship (as in bus master/bus slave on PCI...), so I went with the recommendation. > >> - on the install, some details >> system has an IDE HD on the built in controller and an Adapted PCI card >> with a 4 gig drive. The target configuration was Win95 on the IDE and >> FreeBSD on SCSI. Apparently after many many attempts this is not possible. >> Although all of the tools blindly let you proceed, when FreeBSD tries to >> boot it panics, unable to find root, and promptly writes a boot record into >> the bottom of the Win95 drive, corrupting it. The entire system is then >> dead, forcing a complete reinstall. > >I'm not particularly into IDE devices but this *should* work provided >you've got a decent MBR/primary boot loader. > >Anyway, if you can't help it a boot floppy could help at least to get >things started. That's not exactly a long-term solution, though. > >> The system now works with a small root partition on the IDE drive for >> FreeBSD along with Win95, and the usr partition on SCSI. Acceptable, but I >> sure wish the docs or the tools would have saved me 3 days. > >Well, as far as your IDE setup is concerned, that's not exactly >something that belongs into the FreeBSD docs. > >I don't know about booting off the second disk, but that sounds like a >problem with your boot manager rather than FreeBSD, too. BTW, which >boot manager do you use? > The frustration with the whole install stuff was I thought I followed directions, and did exactly what the novice install procedure suggested. Working with the 2.2.7 CD from Walnut Creek, built a floppy and went for it. step 1) partitioned the scsi drive to MBR (no boot loader) and the standard 3 FreeBSD partitions via the (A) command (use all the disk). step 2) went to the IDE drive and tried to put the bootloader on it. This was pretty confusing, since the only way to touch it was to say I wanted to partition it then quit, but when it asked I said yes, put a bootloader on it. step 3) did the rest of the install (all from 2.2.7 CDROM) step 4) reboot the system step 5) pops up to the boot loader, I say BSD step 6) BSD starts initial stuff, I get a boot prompt and let it timeout step 7) BSD panic stops, can't find root, reboot step 8) system reboots, never gets beyond the bios, no valid HDD step 9) put the BSD boot floppy back in & reboot (stupidly I did not have a Win95 boot disk lying around) step 10) look @ disk configuration (via config/fdisk option) and IDE drive looks like it has been converted into 3 partition, MBR, FreeBSD (big), unknown (small) at the top (this is from memory, so the names may be off). step 11) try to boot directly to SCSI (by changing bios option), again panics step 12-step N-1.. many attempt to reconfigure stuff, all fail step N) give up and hand it to our corporate technician who has done lots of NT and Linux install for dual boots. after reinstalling Win95, he completely independently (all I said was I couldn't get it to work, here is what I want, here are the CDs) had the exact same problems MANY times. In the end, we partitioned the IDE drive, put the root partition there & it all works ok. after a few other communications with people on the list, it now appears that the mistake was allowing the boot: prompt on reboot to timeout to the default, and I needed to enter something else there and then go screw with a boot.config file someplace. Ok, but hardly intuitive, and the boot prompt goes by really fast on this machine (like 10 seconds at most on 350 Mhz Pentium II), NOT enough time to read & grok the long list of instructions about how to make it boot to some other drive. naively, I expected the novice install to correctly configure the boot model to match what I had installed through the install tools. thx for the help steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 17:26:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA26359 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:26:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA26269 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:26:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA00658; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808050024.RAA00658@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Chris Hill cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Aug 1998 18:21:52 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:24:31 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks for your comments Chris. > Gripes: > > 1. The instructions-docs-readmes pertaining to the installation need to be > more explicit on the fact that the boot floppy's little kernel has enough > smarts to handle an ftp installation all by itself. As they are, the docs > seem to have an underlying presumption that the user is installing on an > existing PC which is already running WinDOS. So much so, that I was under > the impression that one needed some sort of pre-existing internet > connectivity in order to install via ftp. (This was a virgin hard drive.) Writing documentation is very hard, especially if you've just spent lots of time writing the code in question - what seems obvious to the author is going to give newcomers problems. We count on feedback like yours, preferably before releases, to help with this. Having said that, the FAQ in section 2.1 tries to make the point above clear, as does the opening paragraph in section 2 of the handbook, and section 1.5 in the installation help document (INSTALL.TXT, also on the sysinstall menu). I'm not sure where else it could be usefully mentioned. > 2. Let's say some poor schmuck is trying to do an installation from > floppies. If one of the diskettes is bad, why does the installer claim to > have encountered a "Write failure on transfer!" when in fact it was a READ > error due to the bad floppy? There's no way to determine whether the error was a read or a write error, unfortunately. The most common cause of this is people running out of space on their partitions, so "write" was chosen to highlight this. > 3. The schmuck in question can always flip over to the other virtual console > and look at the debugging info, but only if he knows to press alt-Fx. The > only place I saw this mentioned was in the on-screen help for the *ftp* > installation, but no mention was made anywhere else. The virtual console is > a truly great feature, but it needs to be documented. This is documented under "Special Features" in the (succinct) usage document, available from the initial sysinstall mennu. > 4. Since FreeBSD runs on PC hardware, I would have thought the default > configuration would be set up to deal with all the "normal" devices one > might expect to find on a PC. Although I don't anticipate using the floppy > drive much if at all, still, it *is* there. I would have liked not to have > had to manually edit my /etc/fstab just to be able to use my floppy drive. You don't have to. # mount /dev/fd0a /mnt works just fine. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 17:29:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27145 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:29:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA27083 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:29:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA04543; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808050025.RAA04543@implode.root.com> To: Chris Hill cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Aug 1998 18:21:52 EDT." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:25:59 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Oh yeah, one more thing... > >4. Since FreeBSD runs on PC hardware, I would have thought the default >configuration would be set up to deal with all the "normal" devices one >might expect to find on a PC. Although I don't anticipate using the floppy >drive much if at all, still, it *is* there. I would have liked not to have >had to manually edit my /etc/fstab just to be able to use my floppy drive. /etc/fstab is mainly for filesystems that you want mounted at boot time. This is usually not desired with floppies. One normally just "mount"s them by hand when needed (e.g. mount /dev/fd0a /mnt). -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 17:58:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02727 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:58:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02648 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:58:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA11965; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:26:27 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199808050056.KAA11965@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Michael C. Vergallen" cc: Chris Hill , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Aug 1998 01:39:49 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 10:26:27 +0930 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > for most Unisis can install without requiring anything else besides the > boot floppy or floppys. however one does need to have access to a working > system to create a boot floppy on. Yes, but he's saying the _docs_ are misleading, ie implying that you need an OS already on the machine. > > have encountered a "Write failure on transfer!" when in fact it was a READ > > error due to the bad floppy? > I think that is due to the fact that the comparisson off the byte sizes is > different and it assumes that the floppys are correct. ?? The point is, why does it say 'write error', when in fact, its reading :) > > drive much if at all, still, it *is* there. I would have liked not to have > > had to manually edit my /etc/fstab just to be able to use my floppy drive. > No .. I would not like to see this happen for the simple reason that I see > that most poeple disable the floppy in bios when done installing the > system. On some off my systems I disable and remove the floppy after > installation to make shure no clown tampers with the data contained on > those systems or in event off the systems going down enabling the system > to reboot itself without having to worry that a floppy might be in the > drive. Yes, but adding it to the fstab file won't worry you because the floppy will be disabled, so it won't get detected, which means any attempt to use it will fail. --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 19:13:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14541 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:13:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mimu.msdj.com (mimu.msdj.com [210.160.169.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14519 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:12:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mimu@msdj.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mimu.msdj.com (8.8.8/3.4Wbeta6) with ESMTP id LAA14459; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:18:38 +0900 (JST) To: will@dreaming.org Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /etc/mail in -stable From: Shigeki Mimura In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 04 Aug 1998 14:19:11 -0500" <199808041814.OAA23661@feoh.nmarcom.com> References: <199808041814.OAA23661@feoh.nmarcom.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93b38 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980805111838M.mimu@msdj.com> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 11:18:38 +0900 X-Dispatcher: imput version 980522 Lines: 29 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe" writes : > Hallo... i really appreciate the spam helpers and hints in /etc/mail from my > recent cvsup'd stable tree, but i'm having a bit of a problem... when in > /etc/mail and after typing "make", i get an error: > > [the:root]/etc/mail# make > fetch ftp://ftp.gulf.net/pub/docs/ips.txt > fetch: ftp.gulf.net: connection in wrong state > *** Error code 74 > > Stop. > > I tried to ftp in normally, and then in proxy-mode even.... any ideas what > could be up? Any other source available for these files? > > -Mit I trying to fetch this file now. Hmmm, It finished and I can get /pub/docs/ips.txt from ftp.gulf.net. If you can't get it and need it, I can send you ips.txt. ##################################### ## Shigeki Mimura ## ## MSD-JAPAN Inc. ## ## E-mail:mimu@msdj.com ## ##################################### To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 19:13:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14546 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:13:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ms1.dgsys.com (ms1.dgsys.com [204.97.64.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14525 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:12:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jchill@dgsys.com) Received: from [204.97.64.155] (gueuze.dgsys.com [204.97.64.155]) by ms1.dgsys.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA03963 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:12:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: jchill@pop.dgsys.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:15:33 -0400 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Chris Hill Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Before getting into specifics, I would like to clarify a couple of things. First, my post was intended as constructive criticism - just a couple of items that could be added to the docs to make life easier for the next newbie. Second, I wanted to mention how VERY PAINLESS the whole experience was (once I had the information I needed) compared to some other software installations I've had to endure. This really went much more smoothly than I expected. "Michael C. Vergallen" writes, >On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Chris Hill wrote: >> Gripes: >> >> 1. The instructions-docs-readmes pertaining to the installation need to be >> more explicit on the fact that the boot floppy's little kernel has enough >> smarts to handle an ftp installation all by itself. [snip] >... the fact is that most install floppy's >for most Unisis can install without requiring anything else besides the >boot floppy or floppys. Exactly my point. Not everyone has experience with multiple different kinds of unix installations. When it comes to documentation, I'd prefer too much over too little. In any event, what harm could it do to include this fact in the readme or the installation instructions? >however one does need to have access to a working >system to create a boot floppy on. A working *DOS* system. Quite true, and easy enough to work around. [snip] >> 4. Since FreeBSD runs on PC hardware, I would have thought the default >> configuration would [include the] floppy drive. > >No .. I would not like to see this happen for the simple reason that I see >that most poeple disable the floppy in bios when done installing the >system. On some off my systems I disable and remove the floppy after >installation to make shure no clown tampers with the data contained on >those systems or in event off the systems going down enabling the system >to reboot itself without having to worry that a floppy might be in the >drive. Good point - I hadn't thought of that, and I agree. I guess it depends on the environment in which the computer will reside. Furthermore, Mike Smith points out that [regarding the fact that FreeBSD can install itself via ftp without external support] >Writing documentation is very hard, especially if you've just spent >lots of time writing the code in question - what seems obvious to the >author is going to give newcomers problems. Been there! "Of COURSE you need to have the right driver for the device, and of COURSE it needs to be in your cn2/ir directory... Didn't you know that? What a retard." :^) (That's the sort of line I have to restrain myself from writing when preparing a manual for a customer.) >We count on feedback like >yours, preferably before releases, to help with this. That's why I tried to make this *constructive* criticism - the sort of thing that I, as a developer and doc writer, would like to have. Unfortunately I'm also a wuss, and so chose "stable" over "current." >Having said that, the FAQ in section 2.1 tries to make the point above >clear, as does the opening paragraph in section 2 of the handbook, and >section 1.5 in the installation help document (INSTALL.TXT, also on the >sysinstall menu). I'm not sure where else it could be usefully >mentioned. Perfect illustration of your first point ("what seems obvious to the author is going to give newcomers problems"). It does in fact say that in the FAQ. It's just that, given the overall tone of the FAQ (such as the mention of DOS in the same section) it was not clear to me. Of course it's *crystal* clear *now,* since at this point I've done it before. The same applies to INSTALL.TXT. >> The virtual console is >> a truly great feature, but it needs to be documented. > >This is documented under "Special Features" in the (succinct) usage >document, available from the initial sysinstall mennu. You're right - my apologies. I guess I was hoping to see it in the separate documentation files such as INSTALL.TXT, rather than the on-screen help. Which can be perused at leisure, rather than hastily scanned in the heat of the moment. Thanks to one and all for listening and responding. -- Chris Hill jchill@dgsys.com [place witty saying here] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 19:23:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16481 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:23:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from paprika.michvhf.com (paprika.michvhf.com [209.57.60.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA16413 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:22:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vev@paprika.michvhf.com) Received: (qmail 2654 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Aug 1998 02:22:36 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 22:22:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Vince Vielhaber To: Chris Hill Subject: RE: Install *actually* friendly Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 04-Aug-98 Chris Hill wrote: > I was going to post this anyway, but the recent message from Steve > Roskowski (and its followups) has goaded me into action. Actually I've also considered commenting but until now haven't bothered. [snip] > 4. Since FreeBSD runs on PC hardware, I would have thought the default > configuration would be set up to deal with all the "normal" devices one > might expect to find on a PC. Although I don't anticipate using the floppy > drive much if at all, still, it *is* there. I would have liked not to have > had to manually edit my /etc/fstab just to be able to use my floppy drive. I'm not concerned as much about the floppy as I am about the beginning of this one. The problem I had was that the ATAPI CD wasn't found when it came time to do the actual install. How did I get to sysinstall? I booted from the damn CD! Going thru the mail archives and tearing into the machine I found that the CD was set up as a slave on wdc1 and there was no slave on wdc0 and no master on wdc1. Someone else mentioned that it was an illegal IDE configuration. Here's the problem with that statement: PC's are being shipped that way! The particular machine that happened to me on was an Intel, not a machine built by Joe Blow's 'Puter Parts. I'd already installed FreeBSD on a number of systems and it's my preferred Unix so I was a bit more persistant than the typical user. Right now that machine has the hard disk and CD on wdc0 and FreeBSD *still* doesn't even see wdc1 (even tho there's nothing on it). The controllers are built onto the motherboard. The average computer user that may want to experiment with unix or that may be tired of the M$ buggy operating systems, or both, may borrow a FreeBSD CD from a friend or someone else (don't worry, I'm on the subscription plan) and be totally turned off by the lack of hardware recognition when in fact it should have no trouble recognising the hardware. From there they either give up or try linux. If people aren't using FreeBSD, folks like RealPlayer and Adobe aren't going to make native FreeBSD versions no matter how easy it is. RealPlayer's support staff told me the reason they haven't released anything for FreeBSD beyond 3.0 is that there's no demand for it. How many people have left FreeBSD and gone back to windoze or over to linux because the other versions of these packages won't run under FreeBSD? How many people have we lost to improper hardware detection (legal or not)? I don't wanna see FreeBSD turn into another OS/2; more stable than the 'other' operating system but dying because the 'other' os in more widespread use for whatever reason. Chris' point above about the floppy and one of the responses I've seen since then are a good example of what I'm typing about. Why should the poor user be made to suffer 'cuze it's assumed (either right or wrong) that most people disable the floppy in BIOS? At the very extreme, ASK THE USER don't decide for him/her! Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null # include TEAM-OS2 Online Searchable Campground Listings http://www.camping-usa.com "There is no outfit less entitled to lecture me about bloat than the federal government" -- Tony Snow ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 19:45:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA20001 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:45:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.5.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA19991 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:45:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freebie.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.7/8.8.3a) id TAA09949; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:44:53 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199808050244.TAA09949@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:44:48 -0700 (MST) Cc: jchill@dgsys.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199808050025.RAA04543@implode.root.com> from David Greenman at "Aug 4, 98 05:25:59 pm" Reply-to: chad@dcfinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >4. Since FreeBSD runs on PC hardware, I would have thought the default > >configuration would be set up to deal with all the "normal" devices one > >might expect to find on a PC. Although I don't anticipate using the floppy > >drive much if at all, still, it *is* there. I would have liked not to have > >had to manually edit my /etc/fstab just to be able to use my floppy drive. > > /etc/fstab is mainly for filesystems that you want mounted at boot time. > This is usually not desired with floppies. One normally just "mount"s them > by hand when needed (e.g. mount /dev/fd0a /mnt). > > -DG However an fstab line like: /dev/fd0 /floppy msdos rw,noauto 0 0 makes it possible to say: mount /floppy which is easier to type and remember. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-953-1392 chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 20:05:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA22801 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:05:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from auchroisk.pdl.cs.cmu.edu (AUCHROISK.PDL.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.189.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA22776; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:05:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dpetrou@auchroisk.pdl.cs.cmu.edu) Received: (from dpetrou@localhost) by auchroisk.pdl.cs.cmu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01693; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:05:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dpetrou) From: David Petrou Message-Id: <199808050305.XAA01693@auchroisk.pdl.cs.cmu.edu> Subject: Buildworld troubles... To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: dpetrou@cs.cmu.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've been having strange problems while trying to do a 'make buildworld'. I've done this successfully on another system, so I believe I may be experiencing hardware problems. I though I'd ask you guys to see if perhaps these problems are not hardware related and to see what I should do. I use cvsup to keep my tree up-to-date with stable. I last cvsup'd earlier today and then tried to buildworld. Before doing this I cleaned out /usr/obj. The first time through the build ended with: bison -d /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/bi-parser.y -o bi-parser.c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/bi-parser.y contains 9 useless nonterminals and 17 useless rules "/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/bi-parser.y", line 117: Start symbol top does not derive any sentence *** Error code 1 [...rest of errors omitted] For the hell of it, I removed /usr/obj and started again. This time I got much further. Then the weirdest thing happened: the buildworld got hung at this point: cc -nostdinc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cvs/cvs -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cvs/cvs/../lib -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cvs/cvs/../../../../contrib/cvs/src -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cvs/cvs/../../../../contrib/cvs/lib -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cvs/cvs/../../../../contrib/cvs/src/admin.c The compile has been sitting there for hours on that file. The relevant processes are waiting on the following wait channels: 1321 root -6 0 2320K 2124K pipecl 0:00 0.00% 0.00% cc1 1322 root -6 0 500K 612K piperd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% as 1319 root 10 0 216K 368K wait 0:00 0.00% 0.00% cc 492 root 10 0 452K 276K wait 0:00 0.00% 0.00% make I tried that specific compile by hand and it worked (terminated) fine. Any suggestions? Any more information I should provide? Thanks, David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 21:53:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08355 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:53:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.double-barrel.be (mail.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA08324 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:53:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.double-barrel.be (8.9.1/8.8.8) id GAA08497; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:52:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: from ns.double-barrel.be(194.7.102.18) via SMTP by mail.double-barrel.be, id smtpdzk8495; Wed Aug 5 06:52:07 1998 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:51:55 +0200 (CEST) From: "Michael C. Vergallen" X-Sender: mvergall@ns.double-barrel.be To: Vince Vielhaber cc: Chris Hill , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Install *actually* friendly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > > On 04-Aug-98 Chris Hill wrote: > > I was going to post this anyway, but the recent message from Steve > > Roskowski (and its followups) has goaded me into action. > > Actually I've also considered commenting but until now haven't bothered. > > [snip] > > PC's are being shipped that way! The particular machine that happened to > me on was an Intel, not a machine built by Joe Blow's 'Puter Parts. I'd > already installed FreeBSD on a number of systems and it's my preferred > Unix so I was a bit more persistant than the typical user. Right now that > machine has the hard disk and CD on wdc0 and FreeBSD *still* doesn't even > see wdc1 (even tho there's nothing on it). The controllers are built onto > the motherboard. Probably true but can a writer off documenation be held accountable for the wrong way pc's are being assembled by builders ? It may be done that way but it is wrong... > > Chris' point above about the floppy and one of the responses I've seen since > then are a good example of what I'm typing about. Why should the poor user > be made to suffer 'cuze it's assumed (either right or wrong) that most people > disable the floppy in BIOS? At the very extreme, ASK THE USER don't decide > for him/her! You turned that one comment from me out off proportion I said that I didn't leave the floppy enabled because my systems need to be able to boot when a problem arised and I when I'm 1000 Km away and the power goes down it had to recover by it self. It has happened a lot off times that one off my cleaners simply unpluged the ups or any other plug from the power suply to plug in the vacium cleaner and the afterwards simply reinserted the plug now my systems simply reboot when the power comes back on. You took a part off what I said and turned it into what you felt was being said. Michael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 23:42:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA24908 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:42:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wankers.net (user-37kbt56.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.244.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA24824 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:42:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Received: from localhost (dex@localhost.mindspring.com [127.0.0.1]) by wankers.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA27890; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:44:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:44:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Dexnation Holodream X-Sender: dex@localhost To: Vince Vielhaber cc: Chris Hill , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Install *actually* friendly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Vince Vielhaber wrote: [snip] > Chris' point above about the floppy and one of the responses I've seen since > then are a good example of what I'm typing about. Why should the poor user > be made to suffer 'cuze it's assumed (either right or wrong) that most people > disable the floppy in BIOS? At the very extreme, ASK THE USER don't decide > for him/her! So you kids know, the floppy controller and the floppy disk are in all kernels by default. They're just not in the fstab by default. Sure, there should be a "novice" set of /etc files that allow for mount /floppy, but don't forget that a novice user will most likely run into the problem that the disk they're trying to mount on /floppy is msdosfs, which means they're need either mount_msdos /floppy or mount -t msdos /floppy, anyway. In plain english, sure, we could cater to a little bit more to the novice user, but they're still going to run into some very basic problems. Now, if we spruce up the documentation, then, if they're smart enough to RTFM, and we put a few tutorials in, we'd be 10x better off, having created a set of slightly more clueful users. Just my $.02... -Jon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Aug 4 23:47:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25511 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:47:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wankers.net (user-37kbt56.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.244.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA25471 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:47:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Received: from localhost (dex@localhost.mindspring.com [127.0.0.1]) by wankers.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA27927; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:49:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:49:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Dexnation Holodream X-Sender: dex@localhost To: Chris Hill cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Chris Hill wrote: [blah blah blah] > >however one does need to have access to a working > >system to create a boot floppy on. > > A working *DOS* system. Quite true, and easy enough to work around. The basic install docs actually tell you how to do it several ways, including using dd. My first fbsd 2.2.2 machine was done with a set of disks I dd'd under Solaris 2.6 x86 (pre-release, as I was working on it @ Sun). I did a far earlier install, once, but I don't recall what version, and netbsd was still under active development at the time (3-4 years ago). In those days, things weren't nearly as easy. $.02 refunds available. -Jon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 00:09:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA29881 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:09:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29873 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:09:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA16471; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:08:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Chris Hill cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Aug 1998 18:21:52 EDT." Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 00:08:32 -0700 Message-ID: <16467.902300912@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > 1. The instructions-docs-readmes pertaining to the installation need to be > more explicit on the fact that the boot floppy's little kernel has enough > smarts to handle an ftp installation all by itself. As they are, the docs They do. > 2. Let's say some poor schmuck is trying to do an installation from > floppies. If one of the diskettes is bad, why does the installer claim to > have encountered a "Write failure on transfer!" when in fact it was a READ > error due to the bad floppy? That's an architectural limitation which is hard to get around - by the time you're in that particular section of code, you're really not sure *what* is directly responsible for the failure since you're just talking to tar down a pipe and the two failure modes are hard to distinguish. Not really worth mucking with for an installer which is (finally!) in the process of going away. > 3. The schmuck in question can always flip over to the other virtual console > and look at the debugging info, but only if he knows to press alt-Fx. The Which it tells you to do - you're not READING closely enough. :) The message dialogs say explicitly to go look over there (and not just in the FTP installation on-screen help). > 4. Since FreeBSD runs on PC hardware, I would have thought the default > configuration would be set up to deal with all the "normal" devices one > might expect to find on a PC. Although I don't anticipate using the floppy > drive much if at all, still, it *is* there. I would have liked not to have > had to manually edit my /etc/fstab just to be able to use my floppy drive. Huh? - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 01:09:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA07263 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:09:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lionking.org (blacker-99.caltech.edu [131.215.86.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07258 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:09:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from btman@ugcs.caltech.edu) Received: from localhost (btman@localhost) by lionking.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA01099 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:09:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: lionking.org: btman owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:09:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Tiemann X-Sender: btman@lionking.org To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Install *actually* friendly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Dexnation Holodream wrote: > In plain english, sure, we could cater to a little bit more to the > novice user, but they're still going to run into some very basic > problems. Now, if we spruce up the documentation, then, if they're > smart enough to RTFM, and we put a few tutorials in, we'd be 10x > better off, having created a set of slightly more clueful users. Well put. I for one would cast my vote for avoiding the Microsoft/AOL ideal of making things so blindingly one-click easy that even people who can't drive or fry an egg can get on the Net, in favor of the "Teach a man to fish" principle. There's no need to hand-hold in the implementation phase when a tutorial will do the job-- and maybe teach somebody something along the way. Sure, that does mean the tutorials *do* have to be written, and written well. But thus far FreeBSD has stuck quite well to these principles, and therein lies a lot of its strength. Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 02:54:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18118 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:54:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from plab.ku.dk (plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18095 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:54:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from voland@plab.ku.dk) Received: from eagle.plab.ku.dk (eagle.plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.63]) by plab.ku.dk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA05046 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:53:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199808050953.LAA05046@plab.ku.dk> From: "Vadim Belman" To: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 11:54:44 +0100 Reply-To: "Vadim Belman" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: dpt controller Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! On Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:33:09 -0700 (PDT), Tom wrote: >> CLARiiON RAID system and I have some performance problems. So, any >> information would be useful. > CLARiiON RAID? That isn't DPT based as far as I know. Thanx, you gave me some useful information, finally. The only (and last) question I have: is there any way to check this fact? ---- /Voland FIDO: 2:464/15@fidonet, Vadim Belman e-mail: voland@plab.ku.dk WWW: http://www.plab.ku.dk/voland To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 03:13:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA20451 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 03:13:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from box.argonet.co.uk (box.argonet.co.uk [194.200.2.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA20444 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 03:13:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jasper@staff.argonet.co.uk) Received: from jasper by box.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #8) id 0z40Yp-0003py-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:12:47 +0200 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:12:47 +0200 (GMT) From: Jasper Wallace X-Sender: jasper@box.argonet.co.uk To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly In-Reply-To: <199808050244.TAA09949@freebie.dcfinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Chad R. Larson wrote: > > >4. Since FreeBSD runs on PC hardware, I would have thought the default > > >configuration would be set up to deal with all the "normal" devices one > > >might expect to find on a PC. Although I don't anticipate using the floppy > > >drive much if at all, still, it *is* there. I would have liked not to have > > >had to manually edit my /etc/fstab just to be able to use my floppy drive. > > > > /etc/fstab is mainly for filesystems that you want mounted at boot time. > > This is usually not desired with floppies. One normally just "mount"s them > > by hand when needed (e.g. mount /dev/fd0a /mnt). > > > > -DG > > However an fstab line like: > /dev/fd0 /floppy msdos rw,noauto 0 0 > > makes it possible to say: > mount /floppy > > which is easier to type and remember. on my machine at home I've got: chown $USER /dev/fd0a in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/GiveConsole and chown root /dev/fd0a in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/TakeConsole so that when people log in via xdm they can mount and use floppies without being root (and some have pretty icons on their dsesktops to do it for them...) -- Jasper Wallace Argo Interactive Group PLC +44 (0)1243 815815 Unix Systems support, +44 (0)411 264753 Integration and Administration. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 03:21:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA21690 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 03:21:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from internationalschool.co.uk ([194.72.37.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA21679 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 03:21:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuart@internationalschool.co.uk) Received: from internationalschool.co.uk (bamboo [10.0.0.70]) by internationalschool.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02953; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:18:51 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <35C8318E.D1AC3BA5@internationalschool.co.uk> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 11:18:54 +0100 From: Stuart Henderson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Roskowski CC: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: "config kernel root on .." broken?? (was Re: install friendly?) References: <3.0.5.32.19980803115454.0155c100@mail.mpath.com> <3.0.5.32.19980804172310.01567cd0@mail.mpath.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve Roskowski wrote: > > step 5) pops up to the boot loader, I say BSD > step 6) BSD starts initial stuff, I get a boot prompt and let it timeout > step 7) BSD panic stops, can't find root, reboot this seems to have changed somewhere fairly late in 2.2.6-stable - you used (certainly ok in kernel cvsupped 6 July) to be able to have 'config kernel root on wd0' (in the kernel configuration file - as is found in the generic kernel) and it would also work if the root was on sd0. now when you try it, it panics unless you build a new kernel with 'config kernel root on sd0'. ("panic can't mount root" i think, although it doesn't get far enough to write the error message to /var/log/messages). if it wasn't for this, the only difficulty you would have had with the installation would have been working out how to put the boot loader on the IDE drive, which you got right anyway :-) perhaps technically it shouldn't have worked before, but I don't think I would have got FreeBSD installed on the PC i'm using now without building a custom kernel (no wd0 harddrive). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 04:06:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA27956 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:06:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kleenex.apk.net (kleenex.apk.net [207.54.133.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA27947 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:06:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgkmail@kleenex.apk.net) From: sgkmail@kleenex.apk.net Received: from localhost (sgkmail@localhost) by kleenex.apk.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA13893; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:06:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:06:16 -0400 (EDT) To: Mike Smith cc: Chris Hill , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly In-Reply-To: <199808050024.RAA00658@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > You don't have to. > > # mount /dev/fd0a /mnt > > works just fine. > This brings up something I was curious about. I'm used to having a /mnt/floppy and a /mnt/cdrom, as well as other removable media being off of /mnt. (I also place shared partitions there like /mnt/dos or /mnt/ntfs) Is there any particular reason why FreeBSD uses /cdrom and a plain /mnt? Or is it just the way it worked out? :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 04:15:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA29688 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:15:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA29541 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:14:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za) Received: (qmail 11729 invoked by uid 1003); 5 Aug 1998 11:09:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19980805130952.A8175@rucus.ru.ac.za> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:09:52 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: chad@dcfinc.com Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly References: <199808050025.RAA04543@implode.root.com> <199808050244.TAA09949@freebie.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199808050244.TAA09949@freebie.dcfinc.com>; from Chad R. Larson on Tue, Aug 04, 1998 at 07:44:48PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue 1998-08-04 (19:44), Chad R. Larson wrote: > However an fstab line like: > /dev/fd0 /floppy msdos rw,noauto 0 0 > > makes it possible to say: > mount /floppy > > which is easier to type and remember. This assumes you're going to use a msdos diskette, and not, say, a Linux ext2fs (or is it still minix?) diskette, or some other format of diskette. (never used any diskettes on my FreeBSD boxen... never seen the need) :) I think the general thought is that it's not something that people are likely to use often, and if it were added, it would mean allowing for msdos diskettes, linux ones, etc. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 04:25:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA00791 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:25:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA00780 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:24:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02616; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:24:43 +0100 (BST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA23042; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:24:16 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980805122416.A22993@iii.co.uk> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:24:16 +0100 To: Jasper Wallace , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly References: <199808050244.TAA09949@freebie.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Jasper Wallace on Wed, Aug 05, 1998 at 12:12:47PM +0200 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Aug 05, 1998 at 12:12:47PM +0200, Jasper Wallace wrote: > on my machine at home I've got: > > chown $USER /dev/fd0a > > in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/GiveConsole and > > chown root /dev/fd0a > > in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/TakeConsole > > so that when people log in via xdm they can mount and use floppies without > being root (and some have pretty icons on their dsesktops to do it for > them...) For people not using xdm you can use fbtab(5), mine has /dev/ttyv0 0600 /dev/console:/dev/fd0a Anyone logging in on /dev/ttyv0 will get ownership of /dev/console and /dev/fd0a, with the permissions on these devices set appropriately. This functionality is part of /usr/bin/login. It might make sense to split it out into a separate program, and alter both login and TakeConsole to call this program, so that the functionality is only in one place. Thoughts? I suppose it's also possible that xdm uses login, in which case this functionality already exists -- I don't run xdm. N -- "Being a naval officer is more than being a middle manager in a company with a strict dress code." -- Paul Tomblin, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 04:40:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA02204 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:40:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from paprika.michvhf.com (paprika.michvhf.com [209.57.60.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA02198 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:40:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vev@paprika.michvhf.com) Received: (qmail 3181 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Aug 1998 11:40:12 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 07:40:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Vince Vielhaber To: "Michael C. Vergallen" Subject: RE: Install *actually* friendly Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 05-Aug-98 Michael C. Vergallen wrote: > > On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > >> >> On 04-Aug-98 Chris Hill wrote: >> > I was going to post this anyway, but the recent message from Steve >> > Roskowski (and its followups) has goaded me into action. >> >> Actually I've also considered commenting but until now haven't bothered. >> >> [snip] >> >> PC's are being shipped that way! The particular machine that happened to >> me on was an Intel, not a machine built by Joe Blow's 'Puter Parts. I'd >> already installed FreeBSD on a number of systems and it's my preferred >> Unix so I was a bit more persistant than the typical user. Right now that >> machine has the hard disk and CD on wdc0 and FreeBSD *still* doesn't even >> see wdc1 (even tho there's nothing on it). The controllers are built onto >> the motherboard. > Probably true but can a writer off documenation be held accountable for > the wrong way pc's are being assembled by builders ? It may be done that > way but it is wrong... You're missing my point. The average user who's trying FreeBSD for the first time doesn't know it's wrong. Furthermore, the computer just booted to the installation program from CD and is now telling the user that there is no CD. It's not just a documentation issue. >> >> Chris' point above about the floppy and one of the responses I've seen >> since >> then are a good example of what I'm typing about. Why should the poor >> user >> be made to suffer 'cuze it's assumed (either right or wrong) that most >> people >> disable the floppy in BIOS? At the very extreme, ASK THE USER don't >> decide >> for him/her! > You turned that one comment from me out off proportion I said that I > didn't leave the floppy enabled because my systems need to be able to boot > when a problem arised and I when I'm 1000 Km away and the power goes > down it had to recover by it self. It has happened a lot off times that > one off my cleaners simply unpluged the ups or any other plug from the > power suply to plug in the vacium cleaner and the afterwards simply > reinserted the plug now my systems simply reboot when the power comes back > on. You took a part off what I said and turned it into what you felt was > being said. Here's what you said: ----- >No .. I would not like to see this happen for the simple reason that I see >that most poeple disable the floppy in bios when done installing the >system. On some off my systems I disable and remove the floppy after >installation to make shure no clown tampers with the data contained on >those systems or in event off the systems going down enabling the system >to reboot itself without having to worry that a floppy might be in the >drive. ----- Did you or did you not say that most people disable the floppy? If what you're referring to is a security issue, you should also be locking the computer room door rather than justifying the disabling of the floppy and documenting it. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null # include TEAM-OS2 Online Searchable Campground Listings http://www.camping-usa.com "There is no outfit less entitled to lecture me about bloat than the federal government" -- Tony Snow ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 05:32:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA06744 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 05:32:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.double-barrel.be (mail.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA06739 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 05:32:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.double-barrel.be (8.9.1/8.8.8) id OAA09036; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:31:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: from ns.double-barrel.be(194.7.102.18) via SMTP by mail.double-barrel.be, id smtpdJA9034; Wed Aug 5 14:31:26 1998 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:31:23 +0200 (CEST) From: "Michael C. Vergallen" X-Sender: mvergall@ns.double-barrel.be To: Vince Vielhaber cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Install *actually* friendly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > You're missing my point. The average user who's trying FreeBSD for the > first time doesn't know it's wrong. Furthermore, the computer just booted > to the installation program from CD and is now telling the user that there > is no CD. It's not just a documentation issue. I see but this is IMHO only fixable by modularising the whole kernel and going into the same dangers Linux has gone into.namely the security riscs a modularised kernel brings with it. > > >> > >> Chris' point above about the floppy and one of the responses I've seen > >> since > >> then are a good example of what I'm typing about. Why should the poor > >> user > >> be made to suffer 'cuze it's assumed (either right or wrong) that most > >> people > >> disable the floppy in BIOS? At the very extreme, ASK THE USER don't > >> decide > >> for him/her! > > You turned that one comment from me out off proportion I said that I > > didn't leave the floppy enabled because my systems need to be able to boot > > when a problem arised and I when I'm 1000 Km away and the power goes > > down it had to recover by it self. It has happened a lot off times that > > one off my cleaners simply unpluged the ups or any other plug from the > > power suply to plug in the vacium cleaner and the afterwards simply > > reinserted the plug now my systems simply reboot when the power comes back > > on. You took a part off what I said and turned it into what you felt was > > being said. > > Here's what you said: > > ----- > >No .. I would not like to see this happen for the simple reason that I see > >that most poeple disable the floppy in bios when done installing the > >system. On some off my systems I disable and remove the floppy after > >installation to make shure no clown tampers with the data contained on > >those systems or in event off the systems going down enabling the system > >to reboot itself without having to worry that a floppy might be in the > >drive. > ----- > > Did you or did you not say that most people disable the floppy? Yes I did but I used most poeple in a way off speach. >If what you're referring to is a security issue, you should also be locking the > computer room door rather than justifying the disabling of the floppy and > documenting it. I can't lock the computer rooms door becuase off the layout off the Building. Namely poeple need to go trough the computer room to go to the bathroom. Plus I don't want to have to drive back to my office because for some reason I didn't remember if I left a floppy in a discdrive. Plus I'm allready looking into changing all the boxes I have now into one big rack mounted system wich will be hardwired to a 16Amp breaker switch so noone can pull the plug on a system. but Implementing such a strategy now would cost me 8000 USD in cases and powersuplys so at the moment I'm still stalling it a bit. Michael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 06:35:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA14635 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:35:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.iserv.net (mail.iserv.net [204.177.184.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA14627 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:35:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mbehrens@iserv.net) Received: from iserv.net (wibble.iserv.net [206.114.47.48]) by mail.iserv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP idi for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:37:47 -0400 (EDT)JAA00717 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:37:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Envelope-To: Message-ID: <35C85F9D.94DEFB3D@iserv.net> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:35:25 -0400 From: Matt Behrens X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Preserving a program across make world Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry if this has been asked before, but I searched for quite some time and didn't find anything. How can we preserve a program across make worlds in -stable? For example, I'm using a newer ppp and don't want it overwritten. I had also at one point wanted to use GNU ls instead of BSD for some compatibility with a ill-behaved FTP client. Is there a way? -- __ /-/ Matt Behrens ( ( Iserv Network Operations Center ) ) http://www.iserv.net/ /_/ People with the right connection choose Iserv! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 07:38:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA24443 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:38:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.double-barrel.be (mail.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA24435 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:38:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.double-barrel.be (8.9.1/8.8.8) id QAA09174; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:37:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: from ns.double-barrel.be(194.7.102.18) via SMTP by mail.double-barrel.be, id smtpddF9172; Wed Aug 5 16:37:47 1998 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:37:45 +0200 (CEST) From: "Michael C. Vergallen" X-Sender: mvergall@ns.double-barrel.be To: Matt Behrens cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Preserving a program across make world In-Reply-To: <35C85F9D.94DEFB3D@iserv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I do think you could for example put your sources in /usr/local/src and then just after a make world just cd /usr/local/src and recompile and or install the programs you changed on your systems. Michael --- Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Matt Behrens wrote: > Sorry if this has been asked before, but I searched for quite some time > and didn't find anything. > > How can we preserve a program across make worlds in -stable? For > example, I'm using a newer ppp and don't want it overwritten. I had > also at one point wanted to use GNU ls instead of BSD for some > compatibility with a ill-behaved FTP client. > > Is there a way? > > -- > __ > /-/ Matt Behrens > ( ( Iserv Network Operations Center > ) ) http://www.iserv.net/ > /_/ People with the right connection choose Iserv! > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 07:43:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25024 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:43:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rachel.glenatl.glenayre.com (mail.glenatl.glenayre.com [157.230.160.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA25016 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:43:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhicks@glenatl.glenayre.com) Received: from jhicks.glenatl.glenayre.com by rachel.glenatl.glenayre.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA08236; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:35:58 -0400 Received: from jhicks.glenatl.glenayre.com (localhost.glenatl.glenayre.com [127.0.0.1]) by jhicks.glenatl.glenayre.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10053; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808051435.KAA10053@jhicks.glenatl.glenayre.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Matt Behrens cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Preserving a program across make world In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:35:25 EDT." <35C85F9D.94DEFB3D@iserv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 10:35:54 -0400 From: Jerry Hicks Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG LOCAL_PATCHES are facilitated in src/release, but that wouldn't affect a buildworld. It might be nice to have that functionality pushed up into src but there may be some overriding concerns which preclude that. Maybe you could hack your src/Makefile to take that approach, giving you a place to contain your modifications? Good Luck, Jerry Hicks jhicks@glenatl.glenayre.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 09:06:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07166 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:06:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles246.castles.com [208.214.165.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07152 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:06:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03319; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808051604.JAA03319@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: sgkmail@kleenex.apk.net cc: Mike Smith , Chris Hill , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Aug 1998 07:06:16 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:04:53 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > You don't have to. > > > > # mount /dev/fd0a /mnt > > > > works just fine. > > > > This brings up something I was curious about. I'm used to having a > /mnt/floppy and a /mnt/cdrom, as well as other removable media being off > of /mnt. (I also place shared partitions there like /mnt/dos or /mnt/ntfs) > > Is there any particular reason why FreeBSD uses /cdrom and a plain /mnt? > Or is it just the way it worked out? :-) /mnt is the "traditional" scratch mountpoint. What you're "used to" is the Linux "not invented here" approach. They never understood what "/mnt" was for, so felt free to abuse it. Practically, it's all just personal preference. What we use is just someone else's personal preference. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 09:07:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07437 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:07:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA07426 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:07:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0z4668-00003k-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:07:32 -0700 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:07:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Vadim Belman cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: dpt controller In-Reply-To: <199808050953.LAA05046@plab.ku.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Vadim Belman wrote: > Hi! > > On Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:33:09 -0700 (PDT), Tom wrote: > > >> CLARiiON RAID system and I have some performance problems. So, any > >> information would be useful. > > CLARiiON RAID? That isn't DPT based as far as I know. > > Thanx, you gave me some useful information, finally. The only > (and last) question I have: is there any way to check this fact? Uhhh... read the manual, and exaimine the unit? It should be pretty obvious if the Clariion box has a built in RAID controller. > ---- > /Voland FIDO: 2:464/15@fidonet, Vadim Belman > e-mail: voland@plab.ku.dk > WWW: http://www.plab.ku.dk/voland Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 09:09:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07990 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:09:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles246.castles.com [208.214.165.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07970 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:09:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03342; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808051607.JAA03342@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Michael C. Vergallen" cc: Vince Vielhaber , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Aug 1998 14:31:23 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:07:13 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > > > You're missing my point. The average user who's trying FreeBSD for the > > first time doesn't know it's wrong. Furthermore, the computer just booted > > to the installation program from CD and is now telling the user that there > > is no CD. It's not just a documentation issue. > > I see but this is IMHO only fixable by modularising the whole kernel and > going into the same dangers Linux has gone into.namely the security riscs > a modularised kernel brings with it. No. All that is required is for someone to sit down and make the changes to our ATA support to deal with masterless slaves. So far, all people seem to want to do is argue about it. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 09:09:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08040 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:09:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA07996 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:09:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0z467Z-0000CR-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:09:01 -0700 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:09:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Matt Behrens cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Preserving a program across make world In-Reply-To: <35C85F9D.94DEFB3D@iserv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Matt Behrens wrote: > Sorry if this has been asked before, but I searched for quite some time > and didn't find anything. > > How can we preserve a program across make worlds in -stable? For > example, I'm using a newer ppp and don't want it overwritten. I had > also at one point wanted to use GNU ls instead of BSD for some > compatibility with a ill-behaved FTP client. > > Is there a way? Yes, put such things in /usr/local/ After all, these are local changes. > -- > __ > /-/ Matt Behrens > ( ( Iserv Network Operations Center > ) ) http://www.iserv.net/ > /_/ People with the right connection choose Iserv! Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 09:10:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08391 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:10:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles246.castles.com [208.214.165.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08286 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:10:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03364; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808051609.JAA03364@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Matt Behrens cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Preserving a program across make world In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:35:25 EDT." <35C85F9D.94DEFB3D@iserv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:09:00 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Sorry if this has been asked before, but I searched for quite some time > and didn't find anything. > > How can we preserve a program across make worlds in -stable? For > example, I'm using a newer ppp and don't want it overwritten. I had > also at one point wanted to use GNU ls instead of BSD for some > compatibility with a ill-behaved FTP client. > > Is there a way? Put your modified copy in /usr/local/bin. The directories in / and /usr are for the operating system. /usr/local is for local modifications. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 09:34:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13180 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:34:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13171 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:34:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA05542; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:33:49 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id SAA23795; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:33:48 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980805183348.51292@follo.net> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:33:48 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Matt Behrens , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Preserving a program across make world References: <35C85F9D.94DEFB3D@iserv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <35C85F9D.94DEFB3D@iserv.net>; from Matt Behrens on Wed, Aug 05, 1998 at 09:35:25AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Aug 05, 1998 at 09:35:25AM -0400, Matt Behrens wrote: > Sorry if this has been asked before, but I searched for quite some time > and didn't find anything. > > How can we preserve a program across make worlds in -stable? For > example, I'm using a newer ppp and don't want it overwritten. I had > also at one point wanted to use GNU ls instead of BSD for some > compatibility with a ill-behaved FTP client. > > Is there a way? Only by modifying the source tree. In -current, you can do it using SUBDIR_CHANGE - it works like this (from bsd.subdir.mk): # SUBDIR_CHANGE A directory-tree that contains overrides for # corresponding build subdirs. # Each override is a file containing one subdirname per line: # 'subdirlist' is a pure override # 'subdirdrop' drops directories from the build # 'subdiradd' adds directories to the build I have not tested this through 'make buildworld', only by doing "normal builds". It is likely some changes to src/Makefile will be needed to be able to control a 'buildworld' - patches are welcome. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 09:41:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14406 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:41:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14401 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:41:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA05679; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:41:23 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id SAA23824; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:41:23 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980805184122.17119@follo.net> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:41:22 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Vadim Belman , "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: dpt controller References: <199808050953.LAA05046@plab.ku.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199808050953.LAA05046@plab.ku.dk>; from Vadim Belman on Wed, Aug 05, 1998 at 11:54:44AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Aug 05, 1998 at 11:54:44AM +0100, Vadim Belman wrote: > Hi! > > On Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:33:09 -0700 (PDT), Tom wrote: > > >> CLARiiON RAID system and I have some performance problems. So, any > >> information would be useful. > > CLARiiON RAID? That isn't DPT based as far as I know. > > Thanx, you gave me some useful information, finally. The only > (and last) question I have: is there any way to check this fact? If the DPT driver don't find it, it is not EATA-based (which is an ANSI standard, but DPT are the only ones making the controllers...) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 09:59:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA17332 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:59:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17301 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:59:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfieber@indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA06897; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:58:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:58:51 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: "Michael C. Vergallen" cc: Chris Hill , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Michael C. Vergallen wrote: > On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Chris Hill wrote: > > > drive much if at all, still, it *is* there. I would have liked not to have > > had to manually edit my /etc/fstab just to be able to use my floppy drive. > > No .. I would not like to see this happen for the simple reason that I see > that most poeple disable the floppy in bios when done installing the > system. Really? There are lots of valid reasons for disabling the floppy drive, but I seriously doubt you can support the claim that most people actually do it. Sounds like a typical case of projecting your own practices as normal behavior for everyone. "Most" is a pretty vague criteria anyway. -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 10:43:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23929 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:43:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.double-barrel.be (mail.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23920 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:43:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.double-barrel.be (8.9.1/8.8.8) id TAA09426; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:42:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: from ns.double-barrel.be(194.7.102.18) via SMTP by mail.double-barrel.be, id smtpdDJ9424; Wed Aug 5 19:42:00 1998 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:41:58 +0200 (CEST) From: "Michael C. Vergallen" X-Sender: mvergall@ns.double-barrel.be To: John Fieber cc: Chris Hill , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, John Fieber wrote: > On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Michael C. Vergallen wrote: > > > On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Chris Hill wrote: > > > > > drive much if at all, still, it *is* there. I would have liked not to have > > > had to manually edit my /etc/fstab just to be able to use my floppy drive. > > > > No .. I would not like to see this happen for the simple reason that I see > > that most poeple disable the floppy in bios when done installing the > > system. > > Really? There are lots of valid reasons for disabling the floppy > drive, but I seriously doubt you can support the claim that most > people actually do it. Sounds like a typical case of projecting > your own practices as normal behavior for everyone. Yes okey I wrote "most poeple" but it should be read as "on most systems I maintain this is the case". Now Happy :-). Michael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 11:35:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03788 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:35:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03777 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:35:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from berend@pobox.com) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:34:59 -0400 Received: from auke.deboer (ld19-097.lon.compuserve.com [195.232.11.97]) by hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.4) with ESMTP id OAA04691 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bmach (bmach.deboer [192.168.33.3]) by auke.deboer (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA14499 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:57:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from berend@pobox.com) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:57:31 +0200 Message-ID: <01BDC0AB.47DC9160.berend@pobox.com> From: Berend de Boer To: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: RE: Install *actually* friendly Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:57:29 +0200 Organization: NederWare X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wednesday, August 05, 1998 4:23 AM, Vince Vielhaber [SMTP:vev@michvhf.com] wrote: > RealPlayer's support staff told me the reason they haven't released anything > for FreeBSD beyond 3.0 is that there's no demand for it. How many people Hmm, I remember asking RealPlayer support for a FreeBSD version probably 10 year ago. I've not heard anything of them for about 6 months. Then they did send a mail that they had email support problems and they didn't know what was tracked/handled and not, so if one could please resend the problem if it still did matter... So I'm quite unsure they could say there is no demand for it. They don't have the figures. > versions of these packages won't run under FreeBSD? How many people have we > lost to improper hardware detection (legal or not)? I don't wanna see FreeBSD Tja, if you have installed lots more OS's than FreeBSD, the M$ have their share of hardware detection problems too. Besides, FreeBSD quite clearly lists their supported hardware. > then are a good example of what I'm typing about. Why should the poor user > be made to suffer 'cuze it's assumed (either right or wrong) that most people > disable the floppy in BIOS? At the very extreme, ASK THE USER don't decide > for him/her! Is FreeBSD for the poor user? I greatly doubt that. FreeBSD is for people who have to do real work. So can effort some time to setup things. For a game machine you have quite different requirements. I really like the visual boot editor, but probably an ordinary user doesn't even want to make sense of it. This is not to say that an easier install or shell could be developed for FreeBSD, but that's quite different. Groetjes, Berend. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 11:40:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04567 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:40:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tbuswell.ne.mediaone.net (tbuswell.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.24.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04556 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:40:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tbuswell@tbuswell.ne.mediaone.net) Received: (from tbuswell@localhost) by tbuswell.ne.mediaone.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01489; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:40:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tbuswell) From: Ted Buswell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:40:01 -0400 (EDT) To: Eivind Eklund Cc: Vadim Belman , "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: dpt controller In-Reply-To: <19980805184122.17119@follo.net> References: <199808050953.LAA05046@plab.ku.dk> <19980805184122.17119@follo.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13768.41489.246836.132455@tbuswell.ne.mediaone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Eivind Eklund writes: > On Wed, Aug 05, 1998 at 11:54:44AM +0100, Vadim Belman wrote: > > Hi! > > > > On Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:33:09 -0700 (PDT), Tom wrote: > > > > >> CLARiiON RAID system and I have some performance problems. So, any > > >> information would be useful. > > > CLARiiON RAID? That isn't DPT based as far as I know. > > > > Thanx, you gave me some useful information, finally. The only > > (and last) question I have: is there any way to check this fact? > > If the DPT driver don't find it, it is not EATA-based (which is an ANSI > standard, but DPT are the only ones making the controllers...) > > Eivind. CLARiiON devices are not DPT based. To verify this, you could probably pull the storage processor and look at the board to satisfy your curiousity. As for performance tuning, the array manual would probably be a good start if you've already determined that it's an array problem. What's EATA? -Ted To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 14:24:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26683 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:24:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from paprika.michvhf.com (paprika.michvhf.com [209.57.60.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA26678 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:24:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vev@paprika.michvhf.com) Received: (qmail 5944 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Aug 1998 21:24:27 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <01BDC0AB.47DC9160.berend@pobox.com> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 17:24:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Vince Vielhaber To: Berend de Boer Subject: RE: Install *actually* friendly Cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 05-Aug-98 Berend de Boer wrote: > > Is FreeBSD for the poor user? I greatly doubt that. FreeBSD is for people > who have to do real work. So can effort some time to setup things. For a > game machine you have quite different requirements. Look to the future. The people that are buying PC's today are fairly green when it comes to computers. Schools are now teaching computer basics and beyond whereas 10 or 15 years ago the only thing many schools had to offer had to do with punchcards. As the current generation moves through these classes they're going to learn very quickly that crashes are not something that's normal for computers to do and either M$ will have to fix their OS's or more and more people will migrate to something else. FreeBSD is one very viable option, as is linux. I'm not talking about games, either. Office suites, videoconferencing, web and java are also important factors. The future is just around the corner, it's not something any of us want to lose sight of. > This is not to say that an easier install or shell could be developed for > FreeBSD, but that's quite different. I'm not saying develop something new, just polish up the internals of what we have now. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null # include TEAM-OS2 Online Searchable Campground Listings http://www.camping-usa.com "There is no outfit less entitled to lecture me about bloat than the federal government" -- Tony Snow ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 14:52:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00273 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:52:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00264 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:52:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@obie.softweyr.com) Received: (from wes@localhost) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01734 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:51:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes) From: Wes Peters Message-Id: <199808052151.PAA01734@obie.softweyr.com> Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly In-Reply-To: from "Michael C. Vergallen" at "Aug 5, 98 06:51:55 am" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:51:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > > PC's are being shipped that way! The particular machine that happened to > > me on was an Intel, not a machine built by Joe Blow's 'Puter Parts. I'd What EVER made you think a computer made by Intel is better than one made by "Joe Blow's Computer Parts"? > > already installed FreeBSD on a number of systems and it's my preferred > > Unix so I was a bit more persistant than the typical user. Right now that > > machine has the hard disk and CD on wdc0 and FreeBSD *still* doesn't even > > see wdc1 (even tho there's nothing on it). The controllers are built onto > > the motherboard. You don't understand: if you don't have a "master" device plugged into that "IDE2" connector on your motherboard, YOU DON"T HAVE A SECOND IDE CONTROLLER! The "controller" on IDE is ON THE DRIVE, that's what "Integrated Drive Electronics" means. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 17:33:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23647 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:33:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from paprika.michvhf.com (paprika.michvhf.com [209.57.60.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA23638 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:33:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vev@paprika.michvhf.com) Received: (qmail 13741 invoked by uid 1000); 6 Aug 1998 00:33:41 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199808052151.PAA01734@obie.softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 20:33:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Vince Vielhaber To: Wes Peters Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 05-Aug-98 Wes Peters wrote: >> On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Vince Vielhaber wrote: >> > PC's are being shipped that way! The particular machine that happened >> > to >> > me on was an Intel, not a machine built by Joe Blow's 'Puter Parts. I'd > > What EVER made you think a computer made by Intel is better than one > made by "Joe Blow's Computer Parts"? Temporary insanity, but one would still expect a system from a manufacturer to be done correctly whoever they are. >> > already installed FreeBSD on a number of systems and it's my preferred >> > Unix so I was a bit more persistant than the typical user. Right now >> > that >> > machine has the hard disk and CD on wdc0 and FreeBSD *still* doesn't >> > even >> > see wdc1 (even tho there's nothing on it). The controllers are built >> > onto >> > the motherboard. > > You don't understand: if you don't have a "master" device plugged into > that "IDE2" connector on your motherboard, YOU DON"T HAVE A SECOND IDE > CONTROLLER! The "controller" on IDE is ON THE DRIVE, that's what > "Integrated Drive Electronics" means. If the BIOS, dos, windoze, linux, OS/2, etc. can detect and use a device on the slave with no "master" your statement is slightly amiss. AND QUIT SHOUTING! Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null # include TEAM-OS2 Online Searchable Campground Listings http://www.camping-usa.com "There is no outfit less entitled to lecture me about bloat than the federal government" -- Tony Snow ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 17:57:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA26619 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:57:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA26599 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:57:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01441; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:54:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Vince Vielhaber cc: Berend de Boer , "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Aug 1998 17:24:26 EDT." Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 17:54:46 -0700 Message-ID: <1436.902364886@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm not saying develop something new, just polish up the internals of what > we have now. This kind of thing doesn't just happen by itself. Volunteers appreciated. Please apply at /usr/src/release/sysinstall. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 18:29:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA01306 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:29:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gershwin.tera.com (gershwin.tera.com [207.224.230.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01288; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:29:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (tao.tera.com [207.108.223.55]) by gershwin.tera.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06567; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.8.8/8.7.3) id SAA08679; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:28:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Kline Message-Id: <199808060128.SAA08679@tao.thought.org> Subject: 2.2.6 page fault (Prev: Re: 2.2.7 crash) In-Reply-To: <19980805113211.21981@rdrop.com> from Alan Batie at "Aug 5, 98 11:32:11 am" To: batie@rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: <> thought.org: public access uNix in service... <> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Alan Batie: > I've got a freshly built 2.2.7 system. First thing I did after rebooting > to the hard disk was go into ports and start building things. During the > second build, the system crashed with a kernel page not present trying to > access 0x0. It only printed the line with the address, then the line that > said "page not present" and not the usual register dump. Here's the system > config: > > > Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. > Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. [[ ... ]] > -- > Alan Batie ______ www.rdrop.com/users/batie Me > batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle Gentlemen:: I suppose it is time (after 7 weeks) to re-report this page-fault | can't-find-disklabel bug from 2.2.6. This hit me after a power surge knocked out my 6x86 in June. ((And, it turns out, No, we did not ``stuff'' the cables in the replaced hardware.)) Following is what is output to the console every time we try to boot multi-user. Single-user works flawlessly, including bringing the system up to multi-user by-hand. > > The problem: > > At the exact same place in the boot process each time, the kernel > panics: > > Automatic reboot in progress... > /dev/rsd0s1a: clean, 170441 free (425 frags, 21252 blocks, 0.2% fragmentation) > sds2: cannot find label (I/O error) > > > > Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode > fault virtual address = 0x12a > fault code = supervisor read, page not present > intstruction pointer = 0x8:0xf01182b7 > stack pointer = 0x10:0xefbffb5c > frame pointer = 0x10:0xefbffb7c > code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b > = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 > processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 > current process = 11 (fsck) > interupt mask = > panic: page fault > > syncing disks... 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 giving up > Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort > > > What has been changed since it last worked: > > The only 2 things which have been changed since the box last booted > normally are that the motherboard and SCSI card have been replaced. > The previous SCSI card was an Adaptec 2940 built into the > motherboard. The new SCSI card is a separate Adaptec 2940. All > cabling, DIP switches on the drives, et cetera is exactly the same as > it was (well, I changed it for some of the tests, but then I put it > back the way I found it). > Note that we are going to try at leastone last thing: a new P5 motherboard (( and perhaps yet-another 6x86 mb with built-in SCSI)). This would return my second box to it previous state almost exactly. Meanwhile, if anyone has any ideas what's causing this page fault, please clue me in... danke, gary -- Gary D. Kline kline@tao.thought.org Public service uNix To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 21:50:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA25310 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:50:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA25300 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:50:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02224; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:50:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <35C93615.D83647EC@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:50:29 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vince Vielhaber CC: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wes Peters ranted: > > You don't understand: if you don't have a "master" device plugged into > > that "IDE2" connector on your motherboard, YOU DON"T HAVE A SECOND IDE > > CONTROLLER! The "controller" on IDE is ON THE DRIVE, that's what > > "Integrated Drive Electronics" means. Vince Vielhaber wrote: > If the BIOS, dos, windoze, linux, OS/2, etc. can detect and use a device > on the slave with no "master" your statement is slightly amiss. AND QUIT > SHOUTING! Sorry 'bout the yelling, but this is SUCH a newbie question: "I've configured my hardware wrong, and FreeBSD doesn't work with it, even though (insert your favorite piece of PC bovine excrement software, which includes your BIOS here) does. Why don't you bozos get your act together?" If we could afford to pay a team of 15 engineers for a month to figure out how to talk to the controller on a SLAVE disk, we probably still wouldn't, because we could also pay them to improve something on a correctly configured system. If you really feel it is important to have the system correctly probe and support an improperly configured IDE bus, or better yet, just to report that it is improperly configured, feel free to email patches to hackers@freebsd.org. I'm sure one of the commiters will be glad to check out your changes and commit them if they are the work of brilliance you want. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Aug 5 23:34:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09703 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:34:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jazz.snu.ac.kr (jazz.snu.ac.kr [147.46.59.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA09698 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:34:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junker@jazz.snu.ac.kr) Received: (from junker@localhost) by jazz.snu.ac.kr (8.9.0/8.9.0) id PAA17081; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:25:56 +0900 (KST) To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: How to 'make release' using anonCVS? From: CHOI Junho Date: 06 Aug 1998 15:25:56 +0900 Message-ID: Lines: 27 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I tried to make local distribution set of 2.2.7-RELEASE(using anoncvs). So I entered these things: # cd /usr/src/release # make release CHROOTDIR=/dcs/dist BUILDNAME=2.2.7-RELEASE RELEASETAG=RELENG_2_2_7_RELEASE CVSROOT=anoncvs@anoncvs.freebsd.org:/cvs It ends with the following messages: ... mkdir /dcs/dist//bootstrap for i in /sbin/mount /sbin/umount /usr/bin/cpio ; do cp -p /dcs/dist$i /dcs/dist//bootstrap ; done cd /dcs/dist/usr && rm -rf src && cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.freebsd.org:/cvs co -P -r RELENG_2_2_7_RELEASE src cvs [server aborted]: cannot write /cvs/CVSROOT/val-tags: Permission denied *** Error code 1 Stop. I tried to find some related articles. Someone said 'use -r option to cvs', but I got same result as above(permission denied). -- ----Cool FreeBSD!----MSX Forever!---J.U.N.K.E.R/Beat Snatchers!---- CHOI Junho http://jazz.snu.ac.kr/~junker Distributed Computing System Lab,CS Dept.,Seoul National Univ., ROK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Aug 6 00:01:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13318 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:01:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (in-ruhr.ruhr.de [141.39.224.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA13302 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:01:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bs@devnull.ruhr.de) Received: (from admin@localhost) by mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5) with UUCP id IAA19476; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:40:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [192.168.22.75] (helo=rm.devnull.ruhr.de) by devnull.ruhr.de with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0z3tT9-0000TK-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:38:27 +0200 Received: from bs by rm.devnull.ruhr.de with local (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0z48SG-0000Hx-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:38:32 +0200 To: Chris Hill Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Benedikt Stockebrand Date: 05 Aug 1998 20:38:31 +0200 In-Reply-To: Chris Hill's message of "Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:21:52 -0400" Message-ID: <87yat3tgt4.fsf@devnull.ruhr.de> Lines: 27 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chris Hill writes: > 4. Since FreeBSD runs on PC hardware, I would have thought the default > configuration would be set up to deal with all the "normal" devices one > might expect to find on a PC. Although I don't anticipate using the floppy > drive much if at all, still, it *is* there. I would have liked not to have > had to manually edit my /etc/fstab just to be able to use my floppy drive. Most people I know use their floppy drives either via tar/pax/cpio and don't bother with a file system at all or use the mtools to access a FAT file system without the hassle of mounting and unmounting it. If you really want to mount floppies you're best off with a set of different mount points and different /etc/fstab entries for the different file systems. But that's usually just not worth the hassle. So long, Ben -- Ben(edikt)? Stockebrand Un*x SA My name and email address are not to be added to any list used for advertising purposes. Any sender of unsolicited advertisement e-mail to this address im- plicitly agrees to pay a DM 500 fee to the recipient for proofreading services. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Aug 6 00:01:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13330 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:01:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (in-ruhr.ruhr.de [141.39.224.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA13311 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:01:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bs@devnull.ruhr.de) Received: (from admin@localhost) by mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5) with UUCP id IAA19474; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:40:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [192.168.22.75] (helo=rm.devnull.ruhr.de) by devnull.ruhr.de with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0z3t4B-0000QV-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:12:39 +0200 Received: from bs by rm.devnull.ruhr.de with local (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0z483J-0000GE-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:12:45 +0200 To: Steve Roskowski Cc: Benedikt Stockebrand , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: install friendly? References: <3.0.5.32.19980803115454.0155c100@mail.mpath.com> <3.0.5.32.19980804172310.01567cd0@mail.mpath.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Benedikt Stockebrand Date: 05 Aug 1998 20:12:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: Steve Roskowski's message of "Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:23:10 -0700" Message-ID: <87zpdjti03.fsf@devnull.ruhr.de> Lines: 116 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve Roskowski writes: > the docs with the motherboard specifically suggest for configs with IDE HD, > CDROM and OTHER that the OTHER be second device on the second bus. Looks like those people writing those docs should be shot on sight --- or rather, forced to read all their docs. > I will > move it & see. Not being an IDE wiz, it was unclear whether the term > master and slave refered to ownership of the bus or to initiate/response > relationship (as in bus master/bus slave on PCI...), so I went with the > recommendation. I'm not particularly into IDE things either, but I still remember that the master device only deals with the controller card. IIRC the historical reason is that MFM and RLL controllers had separate control connectors to each drive and a shared data connector to both. The IDE people moved most of the controller card logic into the disk itself, leaving only the most rudimentary stuff on the controller card. Now having two disks on an IDE controller gets you two of these disk-side controller parts and you only need one. The slave simply turns its controller off. But if you don't have a master device you don't have a full controller, just that stub on the card. So much about the amazingly innovative technology of the IDE bus. Someone pass me an ST01 please... > The frustration with the whole install stuff was I thought I followed > directions, and did exactly what the novice install procedure suggested. > Working with the 2.2.7 CD from Walnut Creek, built a floppy and went for it. You'll have at least as much trouble if you try to run NT and any other operating system on the same box but from different drives. > step 1) partitioned the scsi drive to MBR (no boot loader) and the standard ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I don't understand what you mean here. > 3 FreeBSD partitions via the (A) command (use all the disk). > step 2) went to the IDE drive and tried to put the bootloader on it. This > was pretty confusing, since the only way to touch it was to say I wanted to > partition it then quit, but when it asked I said yes, put a bootloader on it. Hmm. Guess I'll stay with the "dangerously dedicated" disklabels on my boxes :-) No, you don't really have to understand that. But there's a bit of a problem with the way disks, partitions and slices are handled with all the PeeCee BSDs. If you really want to find out you might search the docs about this subject. > step 3) did the rest of the install (all from 2.2.7 CDROM) > step 4) reboot the system > step 5) pops up to the boot loader, I say BSD > step 6) BSD starts initial stuff, I get a boot prompt and let it timeout > step 7) BSD panic stops, can't find root, reboot Right, but that's not the BSD panicking but the boot loader. It tries to boot from the first _BIOS_ disk using the usual BIOS I/O routines. But since that first disk is your Win95 disk it doesn't find a BSD partition to boot from and panics. > step 8) system reboots, never gets beyond the bios, no valid HDD Right. The first disk hasn't got a Windows MBR anymore and you don't tell it to boot from the second disk. > step 9) put the BSD boot floppy back in & reboot (stupidly I did not have a > Win95 boot disk lying around) If people were born smart we couldn't charge them such ridiculous money for fixing the mess they made :-) > step 10) look @ disk configuration (via config/fdisk option) and IDE drive > looks like it has been converted into 3 partition, MBR, FreeBSD (big), > unknown (small) at the top (this is from memory, so the names may be off). Hmm. Can't figure out what's going on there. > step 11) try to boot directly to SCSI (by changing bios option), again panics That's probably because you haven't got a proper MBR on that disk. > Ok, but hardly intuitive, and the boot > prompt goes by really fast on this machine (like 10 seconds at most on 350 > Mhz Pentium II), NOT enough time to read & grok the long list of > instructions about how to make it boot to some other drive. Press space when the boot prompt shows up. That'll stop the timeout and you'll have all the time it takes to read whatever is coming up. > naively, I expected the novice install to correctly configure the boot > model to match what I had installed through the install tools. You'll always get into some kind of trouble with dual-boot setups. Usually there's a way to figure things out, but when I wrote my master thesis I used a switch to turn the power supply of some SCSI disks off (that was the one with my thesis on, so I couldn't mess it up when I was tweaking my system). Later on this switch turned out to be _very_ useful for running multiple OSes on a single box without unnecessary hassle. Unfortunately it requires SCSI disks; at least some IDE disks don't shut down when the power connector is turned off but get their power from the data connector instead. So long, Ben -- Ben(edikt)? Stockebrand Un*x SA My name and email address are not to be added to any list used for advertising purposes. Any sender of unsolicited advertisement e-mail to this address im- plicitly agrees to pay a DM 500 fee to the recipient for proofreading services. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Aug 6 05:37:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA28573 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 05:37:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from paprika.michvhf.com (paprika.michvhf.com [209.57.60.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA28560 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 05:37:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vev@paprika.michvhf.com) Received: (qmail 1609 invoked by uid 1000); 6 Aug 1998 12:37:28 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <35C93615.D83647EC@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 08:37:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Vince Vielhaber To: Wes Peters Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 06-Aug-98 Wes Peters wrote: > Wes Peters ranted: >> > You don't understand: if you don't have a "master" device plugged into >> > that "IDE2" connector on your motherboard, YOU DON"T HAVE A SECOND IDE >> > CONTROLLER! The "controller" on IDE is ON THE DRIVE, that's what >> > "Integrated Drive Electronics" means. > > Vince Vielhaber wrote: >> If the BIOS, dos, windoze, linux, OS/2, etc. can detect and use a device >> on the slave with no "master" your statement is slightly amiss. AND QUIT >> SHOUTING! > > Sorry 'bout the yelling, but this is SUCH a newbie question: "I've > configured my hardware wrong, and FreeBSD doesn't work with it, even > though (insert your favorite piece of PC bovine excrement software, > which includes your BIOS here) does. Why don't you bozos get your > act together?" I kinda see your point, but it wasn't the entire point I was making. The point I was making was someone buys a new computer set up this way - and I had just received an Intel from Intel that was. It seems I've also seen documentation recommending it be set up this way. At that point, Joe User looks at it as FreeBSD being an incomplete OS that can't even find a CD. > If we could afford to pay a team of 15 engineers for a month to figure > out how to talk to the controller on a SLAVE disk, we probably still > wouldn't, because we could also pay them to improve something on a > correctly configured system. I don't buy that (the 15 engineers thing), but I'm beginning to see that the statement made a couple of days ago is pretty accurate. Paraphrased, 'it could've been done a long time ago if folks weren't so busy arguing about it' (wish I had the exact quote handy, it was worded better). Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null # include TEAM-OS2 Online Searchable Campground Listings http://www.camping-usa.com "There is no outfit less entitled to lecture me about bloat than the federal government" -- Tony Snow ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Aug 6 06:20:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA04038 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 06:20:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from eswb01.cnt.com (mailhost2.cnt.com [139.93.128.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA04027 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 06:20:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fredterp@brixton.com) Received: from brixton.com (cjensen.brixton.com [199.97.127.55]) by eswb01.cnt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id P6HRR03L; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:20:16 -0400 Message-ID: <35C9AD8C.8CB5A7D7@brixton.com> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 09:20:13 -0400 From: "Frederick D. Terp" Reply-To: fredterp@brixton.com Organization: CNT/Brixton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [Fwd: Address resolution problem after 2.2.6 - 2.2.7 upgrade] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------3CF0D66CF73C4AF356929559" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3CF0D66CF73C4AF356929559 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------3CF0D66CF73C4AF356929559 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <35C9A885.1384ADA0@brixton.com> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 08:58:46 -0400 From: "Frederick D. Terp" Reply-To: fredterp@brixton.com Organization: CNT/Brixton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable-freebsd@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Address resolution problem after 2.2.6 - 2.2.7 upgrade Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently upgraded my 486/66 from 2.6.6 to 2.2.7 and now the machine can't seem to talk to any other machine on my lan. When I look at the arp tables, all the ip addresses other than my own shows (incomplete) as the ethernet address. As I also have a removable hard drive on the system, a 2.2.6 version from it and had no problems so I suspect my problem is the way I configured something in 2.2.7 . Any ideas as to where to look?? Fred Terp --------------3CF0D66CF73C4AF356929559-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Aug 6 08:43:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA24384 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:43:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA24360 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:43:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jer@jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jer@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA13032; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:42:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:42:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeremy Shaffner To: Chris Hill cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Chris Hill wrote: [snip] > > 4. Since FreeBSD runs on PC hardware, I would have thought the default > configuration would be set up to deal with all the "normal" devices one > might expect to find on a PC. Although I don't anticipate using the floppy > drive much if at all, still, it *is* there. I would have liked not to have > had to manually edit my /etc/fstab just to be able to use my floppy drive. > You don't have to. Using floppies requires mounting them after you put them in and unmounting them before you take them out. Only reason (Aside from never removing the floppy) you would put the floppy in /etc/fstab would be with a noauto option so you could just `mount /floppy` instead of the longer `mount /dev/fd0 /floppy`. -===================================================================- Jeremy Shaffner JORSM Internet Senior Technical Support Northwest Indiana's Premium jer@jorsm.com Internet Service Provider support@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com -===================================================================- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Aug 6 08:51:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA26258 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:51:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA26253 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:51:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jer@jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jer@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA13527; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:51:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:51:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeremy Shaffner To: Chris Hill cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Chris Hill wrote: > >however one does need to have access to a working > >system to create a boot floppy on. > > A working *DOS* system. Quite true, and easy enough to work around. A working UNIX system using the `dd` command can also create a boot floppy, as is documented all over the place. -===================================================================- Jeremy Shaffner JORSM Internet Senior Technical Support Northwest Indiana's Premium jer@jorsm.com Internet Service Provider support@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com -===================================================================- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Aug 6 09:10:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA29687 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:10:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA29682 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:10:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA26274; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:09:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199808061609.JAA26274@austin.polstra.com> To: junker@jazz.snu.ac.kr Subject: Re: How to 'make release' using anonCVS? In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 09:09:59 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article , CHOI Junho wrote: > > I tried to make local distribution set of 2.2.7-RELEASE(using > anoncvs). So I entered these things: > > # cd /usr/src/release > # make release CHROOTDIR=/dcs/dist BUILDNAME=2.2.7-RELEASE RELEASETAG=RELENG_2_2_7_RELEASE CVSROOT=anoncvs@anoncvs.freebsd.org:/cvs > > > It ends with the following messages: > > > ... > mkdir /dcs/dist//bootstrap > for i in /sbin/mount /sbin/umount /usr/bin/cpio ; do cp -p /dcs/dist$i /dcs/dist//bootstrap ; done > cd /dcs/dist/usr && rm -rf src && cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.freebsd.org:/cvs co -P -r RELENG_2_2_7_RELEASE src > cvs [server aborted]: cannot write /cvs/CVSROOT/val-tags: Permission denied > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. This sounds like a bug in anonymous cvs. > I tried to find some related articles. Someone said 'use -r option to > cvs', but I got same result as above(permission denied). The "-R" (upper-case) option might work. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Aug 6 09:10:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA29713 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:10:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA29708 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:10:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jer@jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jer@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA14464; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:09:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:09:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeremy Shaffner To: Vince Vielhaber cc: "Michael C. Vergallen" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Install *actually* friendly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > >> PC's are being shipped that way! The particular machine that happened to > >> me on was an Intel, not a machine built by Joe Blow's 'Puter Parts. I'd > >> already installed FreeBSD on a number of systems and it's my preferred > >> Unix so I was a bit more persistant than the typical user. Right now that > >> machine has the hard disk and CD on wdc0 and FreeBSD *still* doesn't even > >> see wdc1 (even tho there's nothing on it). The controllers are built onto > >> the motherboard. > > Probably true but can a writer off documenation be held accountable for > > the wrong way pc's are being assembled by builders ? It may be done that > > way but it is wrong... > > You're missing my point. The average user who's trying FreeBSD for the > first time doesn't know it's wrong. Furthermore, the computer just booted > to the installation program from CD and is now telling the user that there > is no CD. It's not just a documentation issue. Booting of the CD is a feature of the computer's BIOS and has nothing to do with the OS in question. Detection of the device by the OS is separate. -===================================================================- Jeremy Shaffner JORSM Internet Senior Technical Support Northwest Indiana's Premium jer@jorsm.com Internet Service Provider support@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com -===================================================================- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Aug 6 09:19:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01333 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:19:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA01326 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:19:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0z4Skc-0000SK-00; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:18:50 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA15730; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:19:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199808061619.KAA15730@harmony.village.org> To: Wes Peters Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly Cc: Vince Vielhaber , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:50:29 MDT." <35C93615.D83647EC@softweyr.com> References: <35C93615.D83647EC@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:19:09 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <35C93615.D83647EC@softweyr.com> Wes Peters writes: : If we could afford to pay a team of 15 engineers for a month to figure : out how to talk to the controller on a SLAVE disk, we probably still : wouldn't, because we could also pay them to improve something on a : correctly configured system. I really don't under stand this whole thread. I've been running an ATAPI cdrom wired to slave on its own IDE channel w/o any problems. this is on a 2.2.6 plus a little system. I've also been running an ATAPI tape drive (thanks Soren) on its own IDE channel wired as slave with only the wst driver problems to deal with. This is on my -current system since about october or so. I don't see why it would be any different for a disk drive. I don't actually have any IDE disks laying around, or I'd try it myself.. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Aug 6 09:36:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03092 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:36:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03076 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:36:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@montenegro.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA28522 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:36:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(206.175.42.2) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028463; Thu Aug 6 11:35:54 1998 Message-ID: <001501bdc158$93b16040$27caae10@obradoa.fnic> From: "Aleksandar Obradovic" To: Subject: Thanks Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:37:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just wanted to commend the FreeBSD team and everyone involved in the project on such incredible job you are doing. Working with FreeBSD is more than a pleasant experience, and your support is very much appreciated. Keep doing a good work ! -------- Aleksandar Obradovic e-mail: alex@montenegro.com http://www.montenegro.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Aug 6 09:54:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06595 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:54:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tomcat.webber.net.ua (S2-2.webber.GWN-KVC2.ukrpack.net [195.230.151.38] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06450; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:54:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from apl@opera.webber.net.ua) Received: from opera.webber.net.ua by tomcat.webber.net.ua with ESMTP id TAA13753; (8.8.8/vak/1.9) Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:53:55 +0300 (EEST) Received: from webber.net.ua by opera.webber.net.ua with ESMTP id TAA10677; (8.8.8/vak/1.9) Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:53:56 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <35C9DD28.2E9749D3@webber.net.ua> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 19:43:20 +0300 From: Andrew Petrenko X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en,ru,uk MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SCO binaries and FreeBSD 2.2.7-stable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Need help. i run FoxPro 2.6. for SCO on FreeBSD and get error Too many files open. in login.conf i set ... openfiles=254 openfiles-cur=254 ... what can i do for run FoxPro? Andy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Aug 6 13:47:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA26815 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:47:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA26629 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:46:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id WAA21339; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:45:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:45:53 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Hill Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly References: Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 06 Aug 1998 22:45:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: Chris Hill's message of "Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:21:52 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id NAA26655 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chris Hill writes: > 4. Since FreeBSD runs on PC hardware, I would have thought the default > configuration would be set up to deal with all the "normal" devices one > might expect to find on a PC. Although I don't anticipate using the floppy > drive much if at all, still, it *is* there. I would have liked not to have > had to manually edit my /etc/fstab just to be able to use my floppy drive. Mounting unlockable removable media is a very, very bad idea. If you must use floppies, use mtools from the ports collection (under /usr/ports/emulators/). DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Aug 6 13:47:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27033 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:47:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA26654; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:46:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA29412; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:46:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:46:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: dpetrou@cs.cmu.edu cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Buildworld troubles... In-Reply-To: <199808050305.XAA01693@auchroisk.pdl.cs.cmu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, David Petrou wrote: > I've been having strange problems while trying to do a 'make > buildworld'. I've done this successfully on another system, so I > believe I may be experiencing hardware problems. I though I'd ask you > guys to see if perhaps these problems are not hardware related and to > see what I should do. > > I use cvsup to keep my tree up-to-date with stable. I last cvsup'd > earlier today and then tried to buildworld. Before doing this I > cleaned out /usr/obj. The first time through the build ended with: > [and hanging] Sounds like a flakey disk or system. Check your hard drive when it hangs, and the system log for disk errors. Also verify that your SIMMS are good; if stuff dies randomly with Sig11 errors then you need to get your RAM replaced. Make worlds make great system testers ;) Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Aug 6 14:44:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13820 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:44:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ms1.dgsys.com (ms1.dgsys.com [204.97.64.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13649 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:43:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jchill@dgsys.com) Received: from [204.97.64.155] (gueuze.dgsys.com [204.97.64.155]) by ms1.dgsys.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06424 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:42:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: jchill@pop.dgsys.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:45:37 -0400 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Chris Hill Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jeremy Shaffner wrote, >On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Chris Hill wrote: > >[snip] >> >> ... I would have liked not to have >> had to manually edit my /etc/fstab just to be able to use my floppy drive. >> > >You don't have to. Using floppies requires mounting them after you put >them in and unmounting them before you take them out. Only reason (Aside >from never removing the floppy) you would put the floppy in /etc/fstab >would be with a noauto option so you could just `mount /floppy` instead of >the longer `mount /dev/fd0 /floppy`. That's exactly what I did, and exactly why I did it. I apologize for the poor wording of my Gripe. -- Chris Hill jchill@dgsys.com [place witty saying here] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Aug 6 15:13:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19300 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:13:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lionking.org (blacker-99.caltech.edu [131.215.86.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19294 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:13:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from btman@ugcs.caltech.edu) Received: from localhost (btman@localhost) by lionking.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA29743 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:13:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: lionking.org: btman owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:13:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Tiemann X-Sender: btman@lionking.org To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [proftpd-l] New ProFTPd user - Security, Incoming and pwd.db? (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Forwarded from the proftpd mailing list. Just to make sure this is out in the open and people know about it... Brian ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:50:08 -0400 From: Floody Reply-To: proftpd-l@evcom.net To: Karl Pielorz Cc: proftpd-l@evcom.net Subject: Re: [proftpd-l] New ProFTPd user - Security, Incoming and pwd.db? On Thu, Aug 06, 1998 at 04:10:28PM +0100, Karl Pielorz wrote: > Floody wrote: > > > I'm not sure why this happens (on FreeBSD only). I don't have a free box > > that I can run root on. Does this happen ONLY for anonymous (or other > > chroot()ed logins)? When _exactly_ does it occur? > > It occurs once, and only once when inetd fires up proftpd... > > "Aug 6 10:49:18 caladan proftpd[15835]: /etc/pwd.db: No such file or directory" > > I thought it would happen if the process has chroot'd itself - i.e. it can't get > to the real '/etc/pwd.db' ;-) Ok. I put up a test FreeBSD 2.2.7 system. There appears to be a libc problem with the setpassent() function, which doesn't work on FreeBSD as documented in the man pages (or on any other BSD). This is the heart of the problem. There is no workaround until libc is fixed. Sample code to demonstrate the problem, MUST be run as root: --TEAR HEAR-- #include #include #include #include int main() { setpassent(1); getpwent(); chroot("/usr"); chdir("/"); if(!getpwuid(0)) { printf("setpassent doesn't appear to work\n"); } else { if(!getpwuid(0)) printf("second getpwuid(0) didn't work\n"); else printf("setpassent works\n"); } return 0; } To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Aug 6 17:02:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10326 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:02:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roguetrader.com (cold.org [206.81.134.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10236 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:02:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@roguetrader.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by roguetrader.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA02154; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:02:06 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:02:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199808070002.SAA02154@roguetrader.com> Subject: ERRATA NOTICE: FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE From: freebsd-errata-update@roguetrader.com To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ****************************************************************** ** THIS IS AN AUTOMATIC ERRATA UPDATE FOR FREEBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE ** ****************************************************************** You can retrieve the complete ERRATA from: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.2.7-RELEASE/ERRATA.TXT The last update was sent: Thu Jul 30 06:09:19 1998 This update is sent: Thu Aug 6 18:02:06 1998 ------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- SYSTEM ERRATA INFORMATION: o rshd was broken during -Wall cleanup, as noted in PR#7500 Fix: This was fixed in the 2.2-stable branch as of 1998/07/24 04:32:21 in revision 1.9.2.9 of /usr/src/libexec/rshd/rshd.c. Obtain the fixed version via CVSup (see instructions in handbook or simply ``pkg_add ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/CVSup/cvsupit.tgz'' and follow the instructions) or get it from FTP at: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable/src/libexec/rshd/rshd.c To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Aug 6 18:52:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28705 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:52:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jazz.snu.ac.kr (jazz.snu.ac.kr [147.46.59.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28642 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:51:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junker@jazz.snu.ac.kr) Received: (from junker@localhost) by jazz.snu.ac.kr (8.9.0/8.9.0) id KAA05512; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:43:43 +0900 (KST) To: John Polstra Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to 'make release' using anonCVS? References: <199808061609.JAA26274@austin.polstra.com> From: CHOI Junho Date: 07 Aug 1998 10:43:43 +0900 In-Reply-To: John Polstra's message of Thu, 06 Aug 1998 09:09:59 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Polstra writes: > > I tried to find some related articles. Someone said 'use -r option to > > cvs', but I got same result as above(permission denied). > > The "-R" (upper-case) option might work. -R option doesn't work. I changed Makefile(add -R), and run it again. mkdir /dcs/dist//bootstrap for i in /sbin/mount /sbin/umount /usr/bin/cpio ; do cp -p /dcs/dist$i /dcs/dist//bootstrap ; done cd /dcs/dist/usr && rm -rf src && cvs -R -d anoncvs@anoncvs.freebsd.org:/cvs co -P -r RELENG_2_2_7_RELEASE src cvs [server aborted]: cannot write /cvs/CVSROOT/val-tags: Permission denied *** Error code 1 Stop. # Is it a real bug of anoncvs? -- ----Cool FreeBSD!----MSX Forever!---J.U.N.K.E.R/Beat Snatchers!---- CHOI Junho http://jazz.snu.ac.kr/~junker Distributed Computing System Lab,CS Dept.,Seoul National Univ., ROK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Aug 6 20:59:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA16935 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:59:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pc23-c801.uibk.ac.at (pc23-c801.uibk.ac.at [138.232.92.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA16916 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:58:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fatal@pc23-c801.uibk.ac.at) Received: (from fatal@localhost) by pc23-c801.uibk.ac.at (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA04520 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 05:58:38 +0200 From: Marco van Hylckama Vlieg Message-Id: <199808070358.FAA04520@pc23-c801.uibk.ac.at> Subject: Wine on FreeBSD 2.2.7STABLE? To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 05:58:37 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello all, I don't know if this is appropriate to ask here. If not, I apologize: I'm trying to build Wine 980726 on FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE I get: gcc -o wine debugger/debugger.o graphics/psdrv/psdrv.o graphics/win16drv/ win16drv.o if1632/if1632.o miscemu/miscemu.o libwine.a -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXpm -lSM -lICE -lXxf86dga -lXext -lX11 -lm ld: Could not allocate memory gmake: *** [wine] Error 1 I have 64MB RAM and 128MB Swap. Is this a FreeBSD problem or a Wine problem? And: does anyone know how to get around this? TIA Marco -- QQWT!"^""9QQQ ------------------------------------------------ QP' _%7? WindowMaker, the choice of a GNUstep Generation. P WQQ, http://www.windowmaker.org/ ' mWQh Marco's WindowMaker icons: .__s_QWQQ http://global.uibk.ac.at/~fatal/wmaker/ . ]QQQQQQQ@ L )WQQQQQQ( Marco van Hylckama Vlieg !`_ajQQQQQ@( fatal@global.uibk.ac.at (NeXTmail OK) "?TUVY"` ------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Aug 6 21:45:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA22863 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 21:45:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA22856 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 21:45:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA00342; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 21:45:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199808070445.VAA00342@austin.polstra.com> To: CHOI Junho cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to 'make release' using anonCVS? In-reply-to: Your message of "07 Aug 1998 10:43:43 +0900." Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 21:45:13 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -R option doesn't work. I changed Makefile(add -R), and run it > again. Oh well. It was just an idea. :-( > Is it a real bug of anoncvs? I think it probably is. The val-tags file contains a list of tags (like "RELENG_2_2_7_RELEASE") which are known to exist somewhere in the repository. If you specify a tag to a cvs operation, cvs checks the val-tags file to see if the tag you gave is really a valid one. If it is listed in the file, then it is valid. If it is not listed, then cvs actually starts searching for it in the files in the repository. If it finds it there, then it enters the tag into the val-tags file, to avoid the search the next time the tag is used. Clearly, the anoncvs server does not have the necessary permissions to do that. I think it is probably a bug. Either that, or the permissions of the val-tags file are wrong on the anoncvs machine. I don't have a way to check that. Don't tell Jordan, or he'll give me a login on the machine and expect me to fix it. :-) John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Aug 7 00:04:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA10638 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:04:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA10536 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:04:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (root@greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19455; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:03:41 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (mark@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00369; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:03:36 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199808070703.JAA00369@greenpeace.grondar.za> To: John Polstra cc: CHOI Junho , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to 'make release' using anonCVS? Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 09:03:35 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Polstra wrote: > [re val-tags] on anocvs.freebsd.org] > don't have a way to check that. Don't tell Jordan, or he'll give me a > login on the machine and expect me to fix it. :-) Tell me what to do and I'll fix it :-). M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Aug 7 00:48:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA19504 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:48:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA19353 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:48:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id JAA08774; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:47:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:47:40 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Marco van Hylckama Vlieg Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wine on FreeBSD 2.2.7STABLE? References: <199808070358.FAA04520@pc23-c801.uibk.ac.at> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 07 Aug 1998 09:47:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: Marco van Hylckama Vlieg's message of "Fri, 7 Aug 1998 05:58:37 +0200 (MET DST)" Message-ID: Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id AAA19437 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Marco van Hylckama Vlieg writes: > gcc -o wine debugger/debugger.o graphics/psdrv/psdrv.o graphics/win16drv/ > win16drv.o if1632/if1632.o miscemu/miscemu.o libwine.a -L/usr/X11R6/lib > -lXpm -lSM -lICE -lXxf86dga -lXext -lX11 -lm > ld: Could not allocate memory > gmake: *** [wine] Error 1 > > I have 64MB RAM and 128MB Swap. You probably tried to do this as a regular user, and your login class has a 16 MB limit on data segments. What's wrong with: $ su # cd /usr/portsæmulators/wine # make install clean (and remember to add 'option USER_LDT' to your kernel configuration) If you don't want to use the ports for some reason, a) compile Wine as root or b) edit /etc/login.conf to raise your resource limits or c) put yourself in a login class with higher limits DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Aug 7 01:21:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA25760 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 01:21:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.craxx.com (craxx.com [195.108.198.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA25755 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 01:21:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lva@dds.nl) Received: from uptight (classless.student.utwente.nl [130.89.230.96]) by mail.craxx.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA26442; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:21:08 +0200 From: "laurens van alphen" To: "Gary Kline" Cc: Subject: RE: 2.2.6 page fault (Prev: Re: 2.2.7 crash) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:20:59 +0200 Message-ID: <000101bdc1dc$4f08bae0$0a00a8c0@uptight.student.utwente.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199808060128.SAA08679@tao.thought.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode today i got the same error when the box was pretty idle: > fault virtual address = 0x12a > fault code = supervisor read, page not present > intstruction pointer = 0x8:0xf01182b7 > stack pointer = 0x10:0xefbffb5c > frame pointer = 0x10:0xefbffb7c > code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b > = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 > processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 > current process = 11 (fsck) > interupt mask = > panic: page fault those address might have been different, i can't read THAT quickly ;) > syncing disks... 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 giving up it probably did that correctly though... this is our first freebsd box (2.2.7) and has been runnin' in an testenv. for a few weeks now. cheers, -- laurens van alphen craxx e-consultants alphen@craxx.com http://craxx.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Aug 7 08:32:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23326 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:32:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (shell.monmouth.com [205.231.236.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23214 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:32:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pechter@shell.monmouth.com) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA04246 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:31:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199808071531.LAA04246@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Netatalk corrupts atalkd.conf To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:31:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've got netatalk running in 2.2.7-STABLE and I've been trying to install it in 2.2.7-RELEASE at work. The problem is that the system seems to hang at netatalks's startup and the atalk.d gets corrupted with what looks like data from the dictionary. or a punch of nulls. Has anyone else seen this? Bill +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Bill and/or Carolyn Pechter | pechter@shell.monmouth.com | | Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a villain in | | a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Aug 7 09:05:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27367 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:05:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from versa.eng.comsat.com (versa.eng.comsat.com [134.133.169.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA27285; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:04:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@versa.eng.comsat.com) Received: (from marc@localhost) by versa.eng.comsat.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id NAA11538; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 12:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Comsat Mobile Communications From: Marc Giannoni To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install *actually* friendly Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG All: I appreciate the need to attract New Users, and I understand our concern that New Users might not feel FreeBSD very accessible. Truth is, the FreeBSD team has done wonders making BSD Unix easy to install and administer. Yea, I had the 'fear and loathing' thing back in the 386BSD days when it helped to have a calculator handy to partition the disk! But that is so long ago, and believe me, it is so much easier today. Even the Display Adapter configuration comes with a GUI setup tool! (That was really needed too!) Maybe we could introduce New Users to FreeBSD with a short description of the difference in philosiphy between Unix and Microsoft (in general). One of Microsoft's primary goals is to hide complexity from their users. This 'design approach' has drawbacks. Sure anyone can use the system, but it comes with this huge 'Man Behind the Curtain'. Think about Microsoft designing that 'Man Behind the Curtain'. Every possible combination of hardware, correct and incorrect. Every possible choice for 'this or that' needs a list box or a dialog wigit! If a choise is overlooked, or eliminated, it's no longer an option! (One of Microsoft's favorite games!) Think of the computer in a larger context - a tool that people use to do complex and repetitive tasks. With this view, the Human CPU will always be a Co-Processor. Older Operating Systems (DOS, Unix...) kept more of the system chores tied up in the Human CPU, which drove the design to reveal all details to the system's users. This is a good approach for General Purpose computing, which needs the greatest flexibility possible. Maybe New Users of FreeBSD, if they come with a Microsoft background, (most likely) would appreciate FreeBSD better if there were a few man pages in the FreeBSD system just for Windows Users. I'm thinking of a section 5 (file formats) manpage for the Windows Registry! Wouldn't that just blow the socks off the average Windows Savvy User! Set it up in the Installation Intro. Discuss briefly the difference in philosiphy between 'Open' systems and Microsoft's systems. Then show them the (man 5 windows-registry) example man page! Conclude the intro by explaining that there is one of these for every possible confiuration file in the whole FreeBSD system! (And that all of them are 'pre- configured' for most installations.) I think that may make many Windows users want to have FreeBSD. Wow!! ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Marc Giannoni Date: 07-Aug-98 Time: 12:43:28 This message was sent by XF-Mail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Aug 7 09:10:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA28274 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:10:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gershwin.tera.com (gershwin.tera.com [207.224.230.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA28248 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:10:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (tao.tera.com [207.108.223.55]) by gershwin.tera.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22811; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:10:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.8.8/8.7.3) id JAA12935; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:10:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Kline Message-Id: <199808071610.JAA12935@tao.thought.org> Subject: Re: 2.2.6 page fault (Prev: Re: 2.2.7 crash) In-Reply-To: <000101bdc1dc$4f08bae0$0a00a8c0@uptight.student.utwente.nl> from laurens van alphen at "Aug 7, 98 10:20:59 am" To: lva@dds.nl (laurens van alphen) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: <> thought.org: public access uNix in service... <> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to laurens van alphen: > > Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode > > today i got the same error when the box was pretty idle: > > > fault virtual address = 0x12a > > fault code = supervisor read, page not present > > intstruction pointer = 0x8:0xf01182b7 > > stack pointer = 0x10:0xefbffb5c > > frame pointer = 0x10:0xefbffb7c > > code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b > > = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 > > processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 > > current process = 11 (fsck) > > interupt mask = > > panic: page fault > > those address might have been different, i can't read THAT quickly ;) > > > syncing disks... 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 giving up > > it probably did that correctly though... > this is our first freebsd box (2.2.7) and has been runnin' in an testenv. > for a few weeks now. > When I was running 2.2.5 I had inconsistant page faults upon trying to reboot after a crash (power failure or whatever). fsck always cleaned my three disks and eventually I rebooted. With 2.2.6 there were fewer page faults ... until this latest snafu. This time the trouble is absolutely consistant. Hardware or software...?? gary > -- Gary D. Kline kline@tao.thought.org Public service uNix To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Aug 7 09:16:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA29115 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:16:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.promo.de (mail.Promo.DE [194.45.188.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA28858 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:15:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stb@freebsd.org) Received: from d254.promo.de (d254.Promo.DE [194.45.188.254]) by mail.promo.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA11767; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:11:47 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 18:13:55 +0200 From: Stefan Bethke To: "Bill/Carolyn Pechter" cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netatalk corrupts atalkd.conf Message-ID: <1389866.3111502435@d254.promo.de> In-Reply-To: <199808071531.LAA04246@shell.monmouth.com> Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:01dTKgIuimBYgUocbIEVsk X-Mailer: Mulberry Demo (MacOS) [1.4.0a8, s/n Evaluation] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fre, 7. Aug 1998 11:31 Uhr -0400 "Bill/Carolyn Pechter" wrote: > I've got netatalk running in 2.2.7-STABLE and I've been trying > to install it in 2.2.7-RELEASE at work. Did you user the port net/netatalk, or did you try to compile and install it by hand? When did you last update your ports tree? > The problem is that the system seems to hang at netatalks's startup What do you mean be "seems to hang?" atalkd needs 30 seconds per interface configured for startup (excluding lo0). > and the atalk.d gets corrupted with what looks like data from the > dictionary. or a punch of nulls. "atalk.d"? Do you mean /usr/local/etc/atalkd.conf or /usr/local/libexec/atalkd? > Has anyone else seen this? Fortunatly, not. Stefan -- Hamburg | Voice: +49-177-3504009 Germany | e-mail: stb@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Aug 7 09:51:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06096 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:51:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06088 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:51:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08770; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:50:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199808071650.JAA08770@austin.polstra.com> To: Mark Murray cc: CHOI Junho , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to 'make release' using anonCVS? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Aug 1998 09:03:35 +0200." <199808070703.JAA00369@greenpeace.grondar.za> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 09:50:28 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Tell me what to do and I'll fix it :-). Great! Either (a) the anoncvs user needs to be able to update ${CVSROOT}/CVSROOT/val-tags, or (b) the contents of the file need to be fixed manually. Pardon my vagueness in the following, but I know virtually nothing about how anoncvs works. For (a), first try to determine whether anoncvs has write permissions in the subdirectories of the respository. I don't mean look at the code; just check a few directories and see what their permissions are. I don't really know anything about anoncvs, but it seems like write permission would be necessary in order to create lock files. If it looks like anoncvs is expected to have such write permission, then fix the ${CVSROOT}/CVSROOT directory so that anoncvs has write permission there as well. You might also have to make the val-tags file writable, but I doubt it. Usually cvs updates a file by making a new copy and then renaming it into place. So it's the directory that needs the write access, not the file itself. If it looks like anoncvs is not supposed to write in any directories, then proceed to plan (b). (b) is just a work-around, but it's simple. Edit the val-tags file, and you'll understand its format right away. Add a new entry for RELENG_2_2_7_RELEASE and for any other valid tags that you think people might need. Be sure you don't add any tags that don't actually exist, though. Once the entries are in place, anoncvs shouldn't need to update the file, and the bug will be circumvented. Thanks, John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Aug 7 10:17:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10756 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:17:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wankers.net (user-37kbmvg.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.219.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10718 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:16:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Received: from localhost (dex@localhost.mindspring.com [127.0.0.1]) by wankers.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA29648; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:17:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dex@wankers.net) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:17:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Dexnation Holodream X-Sender: dex@localhost To: laurens van alphen cc: Gary Kline , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: 2.2.6 page fault (Prev: Re: 2.2.7 crash) In-Reply-To: <000101bdc1dc$4f08bae0$0a00a8c0@uptight.student.utwente.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, laurens van alphen wrote: > > Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode > > today i got the same error when the box was pretty idle: > > > fault virtual address = 0x12a > > fault code = supervisor read, page not present > > intstruction pointer = 0x8:0xf01182b7 > > stack pointer = 0x10:0xefbffb5c > > frame pointer = 0x10:0xefbffb7c > > code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b > > = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 > > processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 > > current process = 11 (fsck) > > interupt mask = > > panic: page fault > > those address might have been different, i can't read THAT quickly ;) > > > syncing disks... 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 giving up > > it probably did that correctly though... > this is our first freebsd box (2.2.7) and has been runnin' in an testenv. > for a few weeks now. > > cheers, If you could replicate this, and we could debug a bit, it'd help...at least it didn't double fault, though...for a while when I was working on Solaris 2.6 x86, we were double faulting during specific tests...talk about a nightmare to trace... -Jon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Aug 7 12:11:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29693 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:11:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29626 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:10:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (NJaKVuBTZFY/Px+F9tFg7yjuCoggc2OY@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA24245; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 21:10:06 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199808071910.VAA24245@gratis.grondar.za> To: John Polstra cc: CHOI Junho , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to 'make release' using anonCVS? Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 21:10:06 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Polstra wrote: > Great! Either (a) the anoncvs user needs to be able to update > ${CVSROOT}/CVSROOT/val-tags, or (b) the contents of the file need > to be fixed manually. [....snip....] > Pardon my vagueness in the following, but I know virtually nothing > about how anoncvs works. ... no problem ... > For (a), first try to determine whether anoncvs has write permissions This will not work. Anoncvs is defined as "the most malicious user you can think of, but are still prepared to allow read-only access to". > If it looks like anoncvs is not supposed to write in any > directories, then proceed to plan (b). Ahaah! > (b) is just a work-around, but it's simple. Edit the val-tags file, > and you'll understand its format right away. Add a new entry for > RELENG_2_2_7_RELEASE and for any other valid tags that you think > people might need. Be sure you don't add any tags that don't actually > exist, though. Once the entries are in place, anoncvs shouldn't need > to update the file, and the bug will be circumvented. Bingo! M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Aug 7 13:46:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19030 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:46:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lionking.org (blacker-99.caltech.edu [131.215.86.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18960 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:45:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from btman@ugcs.caltech.edu) Received: from localhost (btman@localhost) by lionking.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA27249 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:45:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: lionking.org: btman owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:45:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Tiemann X-Sender: btman@lionking.org To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [proftpd-l] New ProFTPd user - Security, Incoming and pwd.db? (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG More on setpassent() ... Brian ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:13:46 -0400 From: Floody Reply-To: proftpd-l@evcom.net To: Karl Pielorz , proftpd-l@evcom.net Subject: Re: [proftpd-l] New ProFTPd user - Security, Incoming and pwd.db? On Fri, Aug 07, 1998 at 07:02:13PM +0100, Karl Pielorz wrote: > Floody wrote: > > > Ok. I put up a test FreeBSD 2.2.7 system. There appears to be a libc > > problem with the setpassent() function, which doesn't work on FreeBSD as > > documented in the man pages (or on any other BSD). This is the heart of > > the problem. There is no workaround until libc is fixed. > > > > Sample code to demonstrate the problem, MUST be run as root: > > [snip] > > Hi, > > OK - I've done some poking around, and it doesn't work on FreeBSD or linux :-( > > Is there anything it does work on? - The unanamous decision is that it is > because once you've 'chrooted' you can't access the root /etc directory to read > pwd.bd > > Some people have suggested a hardlink to create another 'pwd.db', others have > suggested creating a fake pwd.db... > > I'm just curious if you get this problem on all the platforms supported by > ProFtpd? > > Regards, > > Karl No, it doesn't work on Linux. It's a bsd-ONLY libc function. It isn't used unless the top-level configure script detects it's availability. setpassent() is supposed to *force* the file descriptors associated w/ password database(s) to stay open at all times, which allows getpwent() and friends to work inside of a chroot() [assuming the associated files have been previously opened]. I've tested this on OpenBSD, NetBSD and BSDI; all work as expected. FreeBSD appears to be the only BSD that doesn't conform. Irix has __pw_stayopen, which does essentially the same thing. Linux has no such beast, so the persistent internal routines must be used instead. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Aug 7 20:53:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA24132 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 20:53:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tasam.com (tasam.com [198.232.144.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA24122 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 20:53:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd.list@bug.tasam.com) Received: from bug (bug.tasam.com [198.232.144.254]) by tasam.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA00366 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 22:53:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001101bdc280$14be9a40$0171a1ce@bug.tasam.com> From: "Joe Gleason" To: Subject: Quota bug crashing system? Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:53:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I run a shell server and I suspect that some of my recent crashes have been due to a problem with quotas. When I was running 2.2.2 I had a strange problem with quotas. Whenever I had files owned by uid's of users that were no longer on the system, the size of my quota.user file became very strange. It would on occasion be reported as being greater than the total size of the drive itself. I found that when I checked for and removed unowned files, this problem did not occer. Now under 2.2.6, I thought the problem was fixed so I removed some of my work around scripting. It seems that instead of having strange sizes of my quota.user file, my system would randomly crash. When it does these crashes, it makes no comment in my /var/log/messages to give me any hint as to the cause. After I removed the owned files, this no longer seems to be happening. If anyone knows anything about this, please let me know. Joe Gleason Tasam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Aug 7 22:12:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00753 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 22:12:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from SchematiX.net (schematix.net [24.234.31.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00748 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 22:12:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott@SchematiX.net) Received: from localhost (scott@localhost) by SchematiX.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA09608; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 22:11:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott@SchematiX.net) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 22:11:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott To: Joe Gleason cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Quota bug crashing system? In-Reply-To: <001101bdc280$14be9a40$0171a1ce@bug.tasam.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG When did you last recompile your system? There was a kernel bug while back that allowed regular users to crash the system. The exploit is on rootshell if you want to take a look. I don't recall the exact date when the bug was fixed but i seem to remember sometime around the end of June. 2.2.7 isn't affected. Perhaps you should cvsup and make world? On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Joe Gleason wrote: > I run a shell server and I suspect that some of my recent crashes have been > due to a problem with quotas. > > When I was running 2.2.2 I had a strange problem with quotas. Whenever I > had files owned by uid's of users that were no longer on the system, the > size of my quota.user file became very strange. It would on occasion be > reported as being greater than the total size of the drive itself. I found > that when I checked for and removed unowned files, this problem did not > occer. > > Now under 2.2.6, I thought the problem was fixed so I removed some of my > work around scripting. It seems that instead of having strange sizes of my > quota.user file, my system would randomly crash. When it does these > crashes, it makes no comment in my /var/log/messages to give me any hint as > to the cause. After I removed the owned files, this no longer seems to be > happening. > > If anyone knows anything about this, please let me know. > > Joe Gleason > Tasam > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Aug 8 01:12:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA16487 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:12:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA16476 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:12:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0z546r-0004Ay-00; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:12:17 -0700 Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:12:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Joe Gleason cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Quota bug crashing system? In-Reply-To: <001101bdc280$14be9a40$0171a1ce@bug.tasam.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Joe Gleason wrote: > I run a shell server and I suspect that some of my recent crashes have been > due to a problem with quotas. > > When I was running 2.2.2 I had a strange problem with quotas. Whenever I > had files owned by uid's of users that were no longer on the system, the > size of my quota.user file became very strange. It would on occasion be > reported as being greater than the total size of the drive itself. I found > that when I checked for and removed unowned files, this problem did not > occer. These large files may be "sparse". This may be quite normal. > Now under 2.2.6, I thought the problem was fixed so I removed some of my > work around scripting. It seems that instead of having strange sizes of my > quota.user file, my system would randomly crash. When it does these > crashes, it makes no comment in my /var/log/messages to give me any hint as > to the cause. After I removed the owned files, this no longer seems to be > happening. Crash how? I only remove stale home directories every couple of months. > If anyone knows anything about this, please let me know. > > Joe Gleason > Tasam Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Aug 8 07:26:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA17826 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 07:26:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tasam.com (tasam.com [198.232.144.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA17818 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 07:26:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from clash@tasam.com) Received: from bug (bug.tasam.com [198.232.144.254]) by tasam.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA02854; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 09:25:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003c01bdc2d8$72827a40$0171a1ce@bug.tasam.com> From: "Joe Gleason" To: "Tom" Cc: Subject: Re: Quota bug crashing system? Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:24:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> I run a shell server and I suspect that some of my recent crashes have been >> due to a problem with quotas. >> >> When I was running 2.2.2 I had a strange problem with quotas. Whenever I >> had files owned by uid's of users that were no longer on the system, the >> size of my quota.user file became very strange. It would on occasion be >> reported as being greater than the total size of the drive itself. I found >> that when I checked for and removed unowned files, this problem did not >> occer. > > These large files may be "sparse". This may be quite normal. Normaly the file was about 2mb. At times, it was reported as being 600mb or so. That is pretty sparse. > >> Now under 2.2.6, I thought the problem was fixed so I removed some of my >> work around scripting. It seems that instead of having strange sizes of my >> quota.user file, my system would randomly crash. When it does these >> crashes, it makes no comment in my /var/log/messages to give me any hint as >> to the cause. After I removed the owned files, this no longer seems to be >> happening. > > Crash how? I only remove stale home directories every couple of months. I'm not sure, the system is always at my ISP, so I am never looking at it when it happens. It seems like a kernel panic. > >> If anyone knows anything about this, please let me know. >> >> Joe Gleason >> Tasam > >Tom > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Aug 8 08:12:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22136 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 08:12:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA22129 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 08:12:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from mail.siemens.de (salomon.siemens.de [139.23.33.13]) by david.siemens.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA03299 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:11:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (daemon@curry.mchp.siemens.de [146.180.31.23]) by mail.siemens.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA23703 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:11:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA22404 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:11:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Andre Albsmeier Message-Id: <199808081511.RAA26771@internal> Subject: Why did these files change on -STABLE? To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:11:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After applying src-2.2.0824.gz I found that, among others, the following files were intoduced into -STABLE: > DM sys/alpha > DM sys/alpha/include > FM sys/alpha/include/console.h > FM sys/alpha/include/mouse.h > DM sys/alpha/include/pc > FM sys/alpha/include/pc/display.h > FM sys/alpha/include/pc/msdos.h > DM sys/isa > DM sys/isa/ic > FM sys/isa/ic/esp.h > FM sys/isa/ic/ns16550.h > FM sys/isa/kbdio.c > FM sys/isa/kbdio.h > FM sys/isa/kbdtables.h > FM sys/isa/syscons.c > FM sys/isa/syscons.h > FM sys/isa/timerreg.h Do they really belong there? I didn't find anything in the CVS messages confirming this, e.g.: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/alpha/include/console.h 1.39 Thu Aug 6 9:15:52 1998 UTC by dfr CVS Tags: HEAD Diffs to 1.38 Port syscons to the alpha. The driver itself has moved to sys/isa as it will hopefully become a portable driver usable by all architectures. The api support files have had to be copied to sys/alpha/include since userland programs expect to find them in . All the revision history of the i386 syscons has been retained by a repository copy. Just wondering, -Andre -- "Amateurs like Linux, but professionals prefer FreeBSD." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Aug 8 10:24:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03590 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:24:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA03573 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:24:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0z5Cj0-0002A9-00; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:24:15 -0700 Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:24:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Joe Gleason cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Quota bug crashing system? In-Reply-To: <003c01bdc2d8$72827a40$0171a1ce@bug.tasam.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Joe Gleason wrote: > > Crash how? I only remove stale home directories every couple of months. > > I'm not sure, the system is always at my ISP, so I am never looking at it > when it happens. It seems like a kernel panic. What make you think quotas are doing this, and not something like hardware? Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Aug 8 11:54:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA12563 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:54:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mh2.cts.com (mh2.cts.com [209.68.192.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA12556 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:54:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mdavis@io.cts.com) Received: from io.cts.com (io.cts.com [198.68.174.34]) by mh2.cts.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03603 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mdavis@localhost) by io.cts.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03637 for stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:54:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mdavis) From: Morgan Davis Message-Id: <199808081854.LAA03637@io.cts.com> Subject: tuning nfs To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:54:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Where might I find information on tuning NFS for FreeBSD 2.2.7 (other than the man pages)? And what is the news on NFS 3 performance and reliability? I recently read a message here that said NFS 3 is very broken in 2.2.7. True? We have a server that is causing these messages to appear on clients: nfs server nsfserv-i2:/data: not responding nfs server nsfserv-i2:/data: is alive again nfs server nsfserv-i2:/data: not responding nfs server nsfserv-i2:/data: is alive again nfs server nsfserv-i2:/data: not responding nfs server nsfserv-i2:/data: is alive again nfs server nsfserv-i2:/data: not responding nfs server nsfserv-i2:/data: is alive again nfs server nsfserv-i2:/data: not responding nfs server nsfserv-i2:/data: is alive again The pairs ("not responding" and "is alive again") seem to occur in the same second, according to timestamps in /var/log/messages. Is this from having some timeout threshhold set too low, not enough nfsds on the server, not enough nfsiods on the client, a network problem, or what? Is it a real problem or just an annoying diagnostic? Thanks for whatever assistance you can offer. --Morgan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Aug 8 12:28:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA17038 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 12:28:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kersur.net (mail.kersur.net [199.79.199.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17022 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 12:28:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dswartz@druber.com) Received: from manticore (manticore.druber.com [207.180.95.108]) by mail.kersur.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA03141; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 15:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980808152803.0094d820@mail.kersur.net> X-Sender: druber@mail.kersur.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 15:28:03 -0400 To: Tom From: Dan Swartzendruber Subject: Re: Quota bug crashing system? Cc: Joe Gleason , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <003c01bdc2d8$72827a40$0171a1ce@bug.tasam.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 10:24 AM 8/8/98 -0700, Tom wrote: > >On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Joe Gleason wrote: > >> > Crash how? I only remove stale home directories every couple of months. >> >> I'm not sure, the system is always at my ISP, so I am never looking at it >> when it happens. It seems like a kernel panic. > > What make you think quotas are doing this, and not something like >hardware? Speaking of quotas, maybe someone can enlighten me on a quota related issue: it seems that (at least as some 6 months or so ago), 2.2 didn't correctly handle SUID programs. e.g. if a SUID root process has done setuid() (whichever flavor) to some less privileged UID, the original (root) quota continues to apply. This is arguably a bug. From what I can tell looking at the code, the decision about whether an allocation request exceeds quota is done by looking at a token which was set up much earlier in the game (and doesn't seem to be updated based on changing of the current UID). I got burned by this when I tried to use quotas on a /var/mail filesystem to enforce a per user limit for mailboxes. I opened a PR way back when I discovered this, and it seems to have gone into the bit bucket :( To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Aug 8 13:51:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23203 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 13:51:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zed.ludd.luth.se (zed.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23198 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 13:51:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pantzer@sister.ludd.luth.se) Received: from sister.ludd.luth.se (pantzer@sister.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.77]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA08160; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:50:54 +0200 Message-Id: <199808082050.WAA08160@zed.ludd.luth.se> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Morgan Davis cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tuning nfs In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 08 Aug 1998 11:54:31 PDT." <199808081854.LAA03637@io.cts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 22:50:53 +0200 From: Mattias Pantzare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id NAA23199 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > We have a server that is causing these messages to appear on clients: > > nfs server nsfserv-i2:/data: not responding > nfs server nsfserv-i2:/data: is alive again > nfs server nsfserv-i2:/data: not responding > nfs server nsfserv-i2:/data: is alive again > nfs server nsfserv-i2:/data: not responding > nfs server nsfserv-i2:/data: is alive again > nfs server nsfserv-i2:/data: not responding > nfs server nsfserv-i2:/data: is alive again > nfs server nsfserv-i2:/data: not responding > nfs server nsfserv-i2:/data: is alive again > > The pairs ("not responding" and "is alive again") seem to occur in the > same second, according to timestamps in /var/log/messages. Is this > from having some timeout threshhold set too low, not enough nfsds on > the server, not enough nfsiods on the client, a network problem, or > what? Is it a real problem or just an annoying diagnostic? A network problem or to slow server (or to low timeout). Check the network for lost packets, ping with a big packet size for example. If it is on a local ethernet something is wrong if you lose packets. If it is loosing packets and you can't do anyting about it, try NFS over TCP instead of UDP (not all NFS implementations support that). As to tuning, the only thing that I know of is the number of NFS servers, try a higher number and se if it helps. Check if the CPU or disks are overloaded. The problem is real in the sense that you don't get all the performance, but no data is lost. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Aug 8 15:24:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01665 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 15:24:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from socko.cdnow.com (socko.cdnow.com [209.83.166.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01660 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 15:24:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from heller@daria.cdnow.com) Received: from daria.cdnow.com (daria.cdnow.com [209.83.166.60]) by socko.cdnow.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA08014 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 18:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from heller@localhost) by daria.cdnow.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10263 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 18:20:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "A. Karl Heller" Message-Id: <199808082220.SAA10263@daria.cdnow.com> Subject: CVS stable question To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 18:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: heller@cdnow.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is it normal for the stable CVS tree not to compile? =) (heller@socko2:[6:18pm]-5-) /usr/src> more /etc/cvsupfile *default host=cvsup3.FreeBSD.org *default base=/usr *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs *default tag=RELENG_2_2 *default delete use-rel-suffix src-all src-crypto src-secure *default tag=. ports-all doc-all (heller@socko2:[6:20pm]-6-) /usr/src> tail world.log2 /usr/src/lkm/umapfs/../../sys/miscfs/umapfs/umap_vfsops.c:434: warning: no previ ous prototype for `umap_mod' cc -nostdinc -O -DUMAPFS -DKERNEL -DACTUALLY_LKM_NOT_KERNEL -I/usr/src/lkm/umap fs/../../sys -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit -Wnested-ext erns -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -I/usr/obj/usr/sr c/tmp/usr/include -DVFS_LKM -DMODVNOPS=umap_modvnops -I. -c /usr/src/lkm/umapfs/ ../../sys/miscfs/umapfs/umap_vnops.c /usr/src/lkm/umapfs/../../sys/miscfs/umapfs/umap_vnops.c: In function `umap_geta ttr': /usr/src/lkm/umapfs/../../sys/miscfs/umapfs/umap_vnops.c:280: warning: passing a rg 1 of `umap_bypass' from incompatible pointer type /usr/src/lkm/umapfs/../../sys/miscfs/umapfs/umap_vnops.c: In function `umap_rena me': /usr/src/lkm/umapfs/../../sys/miscfs/umapfs/umap_vnops.c:467: warning: passing a rg 1 of `umap_bypass' from incompatible pointer type ld -r -o tmp.o umap_subr.o umap_vfsops.o umap_vnops.o symorder -c symb.tmp tmp.o mv tmp.o umap_mod.o make: don't know how to make 2. Stop I've tried for the past 48 hours to build a new OS version by pulling the cvs tree over and over again. No go. Unless this is where it it supposed to stop.... I'm doing a make buildworld on FreeBSD 2.2-980702-SNAP #0: Thu Jul 2 . And.. don't anyone yell at me... I've read the books, FAQ and handbook. Thanks for any info, Karl (PS... can you *really* pull the 4.4 lite tree out of CVS? ) -- A. Karl Heller - Senior Systems Engineer - heller@cdnow.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- An unbreakable toy is useful for breaking other toys. Do something unusual today. Accomplish work on the computer. >>>>> HTTP://CDNOW.COM - BIGGEST FASTEST BEST <<<<< To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Aug 8 15:49:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04119 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 15:49:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA04114 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 15:49:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0z5HnC-0006vH-00; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 15:48:54 -0700 Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 15:48:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Dan Swartzendruber cc: Joe Gleason , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Quota bug crashing system? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980808152803.0094d820@mail.kersur.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > Speaking of quotas, maybe someone can enlighten me on a quota > related issue: it seems that (at least as some 6 months or so ago), > 2.2 didn't correctly handle SUID programs. e.g. if a SUID root > process has done setuid() (whichever flavor) to some less privileged > UID, the original (root) quota continues to apply. This is arguably > a bug. From what I can tell looking at the code, the decision about Not quite. Quotas are done by file ownership, not the current uid. You should check that the file you are writing to is owned by someone with the appropiate quota. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Aug 8 15:53:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04865 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 15:53:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.dreamfire.net (relax.dreamfire.net [209.160.21.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA04856 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 15:53:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sean@dreamfire.net) Received: (qmail 953 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1998 22:53:16 -0000 Received: from relax.dreamfire.net (HELO relax) (209.160.21.220) by relax.dreamfire.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 1998 22:53:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 15:53:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean-Paul Rees To: "A. Karl Heller" cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CVS stable question In-Reply-To: <199808082220.SAA10263@daria.cdnow.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, A. Karl Heller wrote: > > symorder -c symb.tmp tmp.o > mv tmp.o umap_mod.o --buildworld is finished, time to installworld-- > make: don't know how to make 2. Stop I'm not sure what you typed for buildworld, but somehow a 2 got appended to it. -Sean-Paul Rees Senior Unix Admin Ulink Internet Services __ ____ ____ ____ __ / / _ / ___|| _ \| _ \ _ \ \ | | (_) _____ \___ \| |_) | |_) | _____ (_) | | | | _ |_____| ___) | __/| _ < |_____| _ | | | | (_)____ |____/|_| |_| \_\ ____(_) | | \_\ |_____| Sean-Paul Rees |_____| /_/ sean@dreamfire.net ++++ whois: SR5176 http://www.dreamfire.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Aug 8 16:01:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05522 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 16:01:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kersur.net (mail.kersur.net [199.79.199.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05517 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 16:01:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dswartz@druber.com) Received: from manticore (manticore.druber.com [207.180.95.108]) by mail.kersur.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA08013; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 19:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980808190123.00941670@mail.kersur.net> X-Sender: druber@mail.kersur.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 19:01:23 -0400 To: Tom From: Dan Swartzendruber Subject: Re: Quota bug crashing system? Cc: Joe Gleason , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19980808152803.0094d820@mail.kersur.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 03:48 PM 8/8/98 -0700, Tom wrote: > >On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > >> Speaking of quotas, maybe someone can enlighten me on a quota >> related issue: it seems that (at least as some 6 months or so ago), >> 2.2 didn't correctly handle SUID programs. e.g. if a SUID root >> process has done setuid() (whichever flavor) to some less privileged >> UID, the original (root) quota continues to apply. This is arguably >> a bug. From what I can tell looking at the code, the decision about > > Not quite. Quotas are done by file ownership, not the current uid. > > You should check that the file you are writing to is owned by someone >with the appropiate quota. Sorry, this is incorrect. I did do at least the minimal diligence to read through the code enough to understand this. Also, proving it by writing a trivial program that reproduces the bug (by setuid() to a user with a quota entry for the FS in question. The program, which is SUID root, can exceed the quota with no problems). Here is one of the problematic places (in ufs/ufs/ufs_quota.c): /* * If user would exceed their hard limit, disallow space allocation. */ if (ncurblocks >= dq->dq_bhardlimit && dq->dq_bhardlimit) { if ((dq->dq_flags & DQ_BLKS) == 0 && ip->i_uid == cred->cr_uid) { ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ uprintf("\n%s: write failed, %s disk limit reached\n", ITOV(ip)->v_mount->mnt_stat.f_mntonname, quotatypes[type]); dq->dq_flags |= DQ_BLKS; } return (EDQUOT); } The underlined check is the problem. From what I can tell, the credential in question is generated when the process is created (at which time it has a uid of zero, and that is the effective quota UID forevermore). 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