From owner-freebsd-www Sun Feb 15 10:31:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03933 for www-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:31:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03926 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:31:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfieber@indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA02683; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:31:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:31:06 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Megan McCormack cc: Andrew McNaughton , www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: java errors on main page In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980214164328.00683c94@asis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've never really paid much attention to Javascript, but I did a small bit of homework on the topic this morning. On Sat, 14 Feb 1998, Megan McCormack wrote: > Well, it may solve the problem for Netscape 4.03 on a PowerMac > but it disables the mouseover effect of changing gifs... The gifs > no longer change color. See > http://www.freebsd.org/~meganm/index.html And Andrew McNaughton wrote [clipped from a couple messages]: > Using Netscape 4.03 on a PowerPC mac, The buttons across the top of the > page do not work with javascript turned on. > > putting the javascript on the image rather than the link solves > the problem. > > eg: > > > Applications SRC="./gifs/soft0.gif" onMouseover="change('softA','soft',1)" > onMouseout="change('softA','soft',0)"> > Moving the mouse event handlers to the IMG tag, while infinitely sensible for image flipping, is not supported by Netscape--at least the non-mac versions, and according to their own javascript docs. As such, I suspect that doing so just suppresses this symptom: > line 75: > > Browser not defined because the change function never gets called. I suspect the real bug is somewhere in these lines: Name = navigator.appName; Version = parseInt(navigator.appVersion); if (Name == "Netscape" && Version >= 3) Browser = "n3"; else Browser = "n2"; Another approach I've seen is to do something like Browsers should only parse the script sections they claim compatibility with, but this would have to be carefully tested with a variety of browsers. Also, the language attribute is officially deprecated in HTML 4.0, in favor of the (mandatory) type attribute which takes a mime type such as "text/javascript" but doubt many browsers would do the Right Thing with just that. Incidentally, no W3 version of HTML allows a name attribute on an IMG tag which makes image flipping from another element (eg A) a hassle. If the IMG itself supported onMouseover and friends, you wouldn't really need to name the images. As for > Java script error on line 49: > index0.src = > > ..................^ I have no clue. What shows up there when you view source? It could simply be a bug particular to the Mac netscape...looks like the javascript parser got disoriented. My opinion of javascript sinks yet another notch. :) -john From owner-freebsd-www Sun Feb 15 19:27:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA12942 for www-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:27:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from mail.iconz.co.nz (mail.iconz.co.nz [202.14.100.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA12937 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:27:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Received: from [203.96.56.128] (a.mcn.actrix.gen.nz [203.96.56.128]) by mail.iconz.co.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA234560887599632 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:27:12 +1300 (NZDT) X-Sender: squiz1@pop.actrix.gen.nz Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:28:42 +1300 To: www@FreeBSD.ORG From: andrew@squiz.co.nz (Andrew McNaughton) Subject: Re: java errors on main page Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I think the problem with Mac communicator is probably different from the bug raised earlier. It goes something like this: If I load the page with images turned on, and javascript on or off, everything is fine. If I arrive at the page with images turned off, then even if I tell the browser to load images, putting the mouse over the images makes the link show up in the status bar, but the unloaded images do not load up and display the alternative versions, and more importantly clicking on them does nothing. I don't really mind if the images don't change, but broken links seem more important. It looks like Netscape 4 for mac has removed javascript's ability to load images automatically when autoload images is turned off. This makes sense, but somehow, when the image has not changed over, the link doesn't work either which is a bug. I wonder whether an onClick method would enable the links. I don't have much to do with javascript, and don't know the syntax for this. Alternatively, can the javascript recognise the mac Communicator browser and disable the image change feature? Does javascript know whether the alternative images have loaded or not? Andrew McNaughton The effort to understand the universe is Andrew McNaughton one of the very few things that lifts ++64 4 389 6891 human life above the level of farce, andrew@squiz.co.nz and gives it some of the grace http://www.squiz.co.nz of tragedy - Steven Weinberg http://www.newsroom.co.nz From owner-freebsd-www Mon Feb 16 01:57:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA10921 for www-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:57:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com [192.86.155.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA10914 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:57:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lmann@us.oracle.com) Received: from maildig1.us.oracle.com (maildig1.us.oracle.com [144.25.88.94]) by inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA03513 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:54:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by maildig1.us.oracle.com (5.65v4.0/37.9) id AA00610; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:57:12 -0800 Message-Id: <9802160957.AA00610@maildig1.us.oracle.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:57:12 -0800 From: Laurence F Mann Apparently-To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Please add the html paragraph below to your commercial applications page (http://www.freebsd.org/commercial.html). This is for the Oracle Video Server, which is now ported to FreeBSD. If you have any questions, please contact me (Laurie Mann) at 650-506-5370, or via email at lmann@oracle.com Thanks for your support, laurie Oracle Video Server is a software product which stores full-screen, full-motion video and CD-quality audio, and then streams it to NC, PC, and Mac clients over standard networks. Software RAID with real-time rebuild guarantees uninterrupted video stream delivery even in the event of disk or controller failure. Included with the Oracle Video Server is client software which allows display of video in Netscape-compatible browsers, Java applets, Macromedia Director or Authorware, Asymetrix IconAuthor, or user-written applications. Integration with the Oracle8 database (optional) allows for a complete, enterprise-wide information management solution.  The FreeBSD (aka NCOS) version of  Oracle Video Server is completely compatible with versions for other platforms such as nCUBE, Sun, HP, DEC, SGI, IBM, SNI/Pyramid, and WinNT. From owner-freebsd-www Mon Feb 16 07:07:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA15807 for www-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:07:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA15772 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:07:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfieber@indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA02338; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:07:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:07:36 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Andrew McNaughton cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: java errors on main page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Andrew McNaughton wrote: > Alternatively, can the javascript recognise the mac Communicator browser > and disable the image change feature? Does javascript know whether the > alternative images have loaded or not? I think the better solution is to ditch the javascript entirely. If it isn't even portable across the same release of the same browser, it has got serious problems. I tried the various combinations you described on the FreeBSD version and there were some glitches, but the links at least worked. If it were to be reliable, a bulk of the javascript code would be dedicated to handling all the different browser dependent special cases. :( -john From owner-freebsd-www Mon Feb 16 14:33:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20928 for www-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:33:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20847 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:33:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA10842 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:42:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:42:41 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White Reply-To: Doug White To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Translation (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Look, guys! Another volunteer! :-) Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 16:18:29 PST From: Marc meyer To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Translation Hi, i'm a german pupil very interested in "alternative" operating systems. so someone said me to try freebsd, ok, so far, so good. i saw the german mirror site... grrmpf... english, ok english is not hard but a german mirror not to see in german is hard... so if you're already working at the translation or not, i'd like to translate large parts for you! so far, bye, mark XFree86 is running !! yeah !! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-www Mon Feb 16 14:58:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27040 for www-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:58:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [207.90.181.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26947 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:58:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA01037; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:43:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.Alameda.net(207.90.181.2) via SMTP by DNS.Lamb.net, id smtpd001035; Mon Feb 16 14:43:42 1998 Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (8.8.6/8.7.6) id OAA02512; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:43:39 -0800 (PST) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199802162243.OAA02512@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net> Subject: Re: Translation (fwd) In-Reply-To: from Doug White at "Feb 16, 98 01:42:41 pm" To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:43:39 -0800 (PST) Cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ohhhh, this guy comes from me. He asked on the german CCC mailing list how to learn to hack. He got as an answer "Install linux, sit down and learn it". I replied, "Or FreeBSD". He then asked me about sources for FreeBSD and I pointed him at www.FreeBSD.org and mirrors. Another one rescued from Linux ;-) Ulf. > Look, guys! Another volunteer! :-) > > Doug White | University of Oregon > Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant > http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 16:18:29 PST > From: Marc meyer > To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Translation > > Hi, > i'm a german pupil very interested in "alternative" operating systems. > so someone said me to try freebsd, ok, so far, so good. > i saw the german mirror site... grrmpf... english, ok english is not > hard but a german mirror not to see in german is hard... so if you're > already working at the translation or not, i'd like to translate large > parts for you! > > so far, bye, > mark > > XFree86 is running !! yeah !! > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 From owner-freebsd-www Mon Feb 16 16:18:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14831 for www-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:18:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14793 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:18:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA04051; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:17:52 -0800 (PST) To: marklovesyou@hotmail.com cc: Doug White , www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Translation (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:42:41 PST." Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:17:51 -0800 Message-ID: <4046.887674671@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > i'm a german pupil very interested in "alternative" operating systems. > so someone said me to try freebsd, ok, so far, so good. > i saw the german mirror site... grrmpf... english, ok english is not > hard but a german mirror not to see in german is hard... so if you're > already working at the translation or not, i'd like to translate large > parts for you! Naja, haben Sie noch nicht http://www.de.freebsd.org/de/ gesehen? MVG, Jordan From owner-freebsd-www Tue Feb 17 03:17:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA29954 for www-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:17:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA29894 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:17:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA09495; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:14:50 -0800 (PST) To: Laurence F Mann Cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:57:12 PST." <9802160957.AA00610@maildig1.us.oracle.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:14:50 -0800 Message-ID: <9491.887714090@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Please add the html paragraph below to your commercial applications > page (http://www.freebsd.org/commercial.html). This is for the Our commercial gallery editor seems to be on a temporary vacation at the moment, so I've jumped in and done the deed here. It should appear on the master web pages within 12 hours and on the international mirrors hopefully no more than 24 hours after that. Thanks for your support! Jordan > Oracle Video Server, which is now ported to FreeBSD. If you have any > questions, please contact me (Laurie Mann) at 650-506-5370, or via > email at lmann@oracle.com From owner-freebsd-www Tue Feb 17 07:23:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA09811 for www-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:23:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA09794 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:22:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA15235 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:22:31 -0800 (PST) To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Email search engine down? Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:22:31 -0800 Message-ID: <15231.887728951@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm getting some odd errors from it. Jordan From owner-freebsd-www Tue Feb 17 12:02:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08441 for www-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:02:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08397 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:02:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA19351; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:02:11 -0800 (PST) To: John Fieber cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Email search engine down? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:56:05 EST." Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:02:11 -0800 Message-ID: <19347.887745731@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > I'm getting some odd errors from it. > > Such as....????? > > Come on Jordan, you know the basics of bug reporting. :) Sorry, they were so pathological (of the "click any keyword in the mail search box and watch it croak" variety) that I didn't think any further elucidation was necessary. :-) However, of course, now that I go to reproduce the problem things work perfectly. Bah! I'll send you another email if I can reproduce the bloody thing. :) Jordan From owner-freebsd-www Tue Feb 17 12:03:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08517 for www-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:03:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08464 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:02:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfieber@indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA06779; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:02:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:02:44 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Email search engine down? In-Reply-To: <15231.887728951@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > I'm getting some odd errors from it. The freebsd-question index does seem to be out to lunch. Will investigate. -john From owner-freebsd-www Tue Feb 17 12:05:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09158 for www-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:05:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from schubert.promo.de (schubert.Promo.DE [194.45.188.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09036; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:05:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stefan.bethke@hanse.de) Received: from stefan.promo.de (stefan.Promo.DE [194.45.188.81]) by schubert.promo.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA23800; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:01:53 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:05:08 +0100 From: "Stefan Bethke" To: www@FreeBSD.ORG cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , jfieber@FreeBSD.ORG, cracauer@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Email search engine down? Message-ID: <916920.3096738308@stefan.promo.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry Demo (MacOS) [1.4.0a1, s/n Evaluation] X-Licensed-To: Unlicensed - for evaluation only MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id MAA09070 Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk --On Die, 17. Feb 1998 7:22 Uhr -0800 "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > I'm getting some odd errors from it. OK, the message "None of the archives you requested (freebsd-questions) are available at this time." seems to be due to a remaining lock file. I looked into bin/mailindex, and tried to rebuild the WAIS index by removing the locks and .files, so the prepared files are added to the index again(?) The lock files stay after mailindex (and waisindex) are finished. Removing them seems to leave an empty or non-functional index. John, could you please rebuild questions and announce, and maybe give me and Martin a few hints how to resolve such issues the next time? Thanks, Stefan p.s. I think the index might be damaged, and that mailindex tries to add to it instead of rebuilding it. However, I didn't really feel like nuking the index... Comparing the original lock files' dates with the uptime, one might believe the last reboot left the index in a bad state. hub:/usr/local/www$ uptime 9:51AM up 2 days, 19:20, 6 users, load averages: 0.45, 0.48, 0.57 hub:/usr/local/www$ ls -l db/index/*.lock -rw-r--r-- 1 jfieber www 5 Feb 15 03:01 db/index/freebsd-announce.index.lock -rw-r--r-- 1 jfieber www 5 Feb 15 03:16 db/index/freebsd-questions.index.lock -rw-r--r-- 1 jfieber www 5 Feb 15 03:16 db/index/freebsd-questions.update.lock -- Mühlendamm 12 | Voice +49-40-256848, +49-177-3504009 D-22089 Hamburg | e-mail: stefan.bethke@hanse.de Germany | stb@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-www Tue Feb 17 12:16:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12205 for www-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:16:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from schubert.promo.de (schubert.Promo.DE [194.45.188.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12098; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:16:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stefan.bethke@hanse.de) Received: from stefan.promo.de (stefan.Promo.DE [194.45.188.81]) by schubert.promo.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA23875; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:13:13 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:16:28 +0100 From: "Stefan Bethke" To: www@FreeBSD.ORG cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , jfieber@FreeBSD.ORG, cracauer@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Email search engine down? Message-ID: <957853.3096738988@stefan.promo.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry Demo (MacOS) [1.4.0a1, s/n Evaluation] X-Licensed-To: Unlicensed - for evaluation only MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id MAA12128 Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk --On Die, 17. Feb 1998 21:05 Uhr +0100 "Stefan Bethke" wrote: > I looked into bin/mailindex, and tried to rebuild the WAIS index by removing > the locks and .files, so the prepared files are added to the index again(?) A script of the results of my last attempt are in ~stb/repair-attempts. Also, because I wanted to keep damage to a minimum, the original files are in /usr/local/www/db/index/OLD_QUESTIONS_INDEX, which of course can be removed. Stefan -- Mühlendamm 12 | Voice +49-40-256848, +49-177-3504009 D-22089 Hamburg | e-mail: stefan.bethke@hanse.de Germany | stb@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-www Tue Feb 17 12:22:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07010 for www-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:57:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06926 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:57:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfieber@indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA06727; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:56:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:56:05 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Email search engine down? In-Reply-To: <15231.887728951@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > I'm getting some odd errors from it. Such as....????? Come on Jordan, you know the basics of bug reporting. :) -john From owner-freebsd-www Tue Feb 17 13:06:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21019 for www-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:06:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20996; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:06:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfieber@indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA06996; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:06:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:06:25 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Stefan Bethke cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jordan K. Hubbard" , cracauer@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Email search engine down? In-Reply-To: <957853.3096738988@stefan.promo.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Stefan Bethke wrote: > --On Die, 17. Feb 1998 21:05 Uhr +0100 "Stefan Bethke" > wrote: > > I looked into bin/mailindex, and tried to rebuild the WAIS index by > removing > > the locks and .files, so the prepared files are added to the index > again(?) > > A script of the results of my last attempt are in ~stb/repair-attempts. I see waisindex dropped a core file. This is grim. The freewais source is not a pretty sight. -john From owner-freebsd-www Tue Feb 17 16:23:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29036 for www-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:23:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from ns2.cypressnet.or.jp (ns2.cypress.ne.jp [203.141.1.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28974 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:22:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from carbo@cypress.ne.jp) Received: from ns1.cypress.ne.jp ([203.141.8.102]) by ns2.cypressnet.or.jp (8.7.3+2.6Wbeta5/3.4Wbeta5-2.8compat) with SMTP id JAA06191 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:22:20 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199802180012.AA00134@ns1.cypress.ne.jp> From: Kazutaka Orita Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:12:51 +0900 To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCPXFAUiRLJEQkJCRGGyhC?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AL-Mail32 Version 1.00 beta 23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk $B=i$a$^$7$F!#(B $B;d$O!"OB2N;38)66K\;T:_=;$N?%ED!J$*$j$?!K$H$b$&$7$^$9!#(B $B$5$F!"(Bhttp://www.jp.freebsd.org/www.freebsd.org/ja_JP.EUC/publish.html#books $B$r8+$F$*$j$^$7$?$H$3$m!"$3$3$K7G:\$5$l$F$$$k=q@R0J30$K$b;d$,;H$C$F$$$k=q@R$,$"$j$^$9$N$G(B $BJs9p$7$^$9!#(B 1.FreeBSD$B2wE,A`=D%,%$%I(B $B!!Cx$K$b$"$k$N$G$9$,!"L>>N5Z$SCx Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA09476 for www-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:05:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA09407; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:04:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfieber@indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA00850; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:04:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:04:41 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Stefan Bethke cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jordan K. Hubbard" , cracauer@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Email search engine down? In-Reply-To: <916920.3096738308@stefan.promo.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Stefan Bethke wrote: > OK, the message "None of the archives you requested (freebsd-questions) are > available at this time." seems to be due to a remaining lock file. Yup. > I looked into bin/mailindex, and tried to rebuild the WAIS index by removing > the locks and .files, so the prepared files are added to the index again(?) Files can be added to the index, but not removed. If a file already in the index changes for some reason, the whole thing has to be re-indexed from scratch. The .files file is a list of indexed files along with checksums. If the checksums all match, then any new files can just be "appended" to the index. Any other situation should create the index from scratch. > The lock files stay after mailindex (and waisindex) are finished. Removing > them seems to leave an empty or non-functional index. For some as yet unknown reason, waisindex falls over when indexing 19980125.freebsd-questions. Now, I can index this file by itself just fine so I'm not quite sure what is going on. Anyway, it bailed out leaving the index in an unhappy state and the next two update attempts just compounded the problem. I should add a bit of code to the mailindex script to check for pathological states like this. For the time being 19980125.freebsd-questions is just an empty file, leaving a one week hole in the index. 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