From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Aug 15 17: 7:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from wenet.net (pm3-6.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.85.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE3E14FBE for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 17:07:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by wenet.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA00510; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 17:07:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 17:07:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Zepeda To: Brian McGroarty Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KDE Office / FreeBSD alignment In-Reply-To: <657AD2FFB44AD31186D40008C7333C82@high-voltage.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Brian McGroarty wrote: > How can we align ourselves with The K Desktop Environment, promoting FreeBSD > as the best platform for KDE? It would be HIGHLY beneficial for KDE and > FreeBSD both if we were sharing each other's momentum. > > KDE and FreeBSD. I'm sitting here cursing at zeus, the current KDE cvs server and thinking. Donations of hardware w/ decent network bandwidth would just rock. Both the mailing lists and the cvs archives are on questionable machines, with questionable network uplinks. Currently zeus claims to be out of space in /var/tmp making cvs updates impossible. GRR. - alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Aug 16 0:49: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from high-voltage.com (voltage.high-voltage.com [205.243.158.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A95B14F0D for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:49:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from BMCGROARTY@high-voltage.com) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:36 -0600 From: "Brian McGroarty" To: "Alex Zepeda" Cc: "freebsd-advocacy" Subject: RE: Re: KDE Office / FreeBSD alignment Message-ID: <555E5390B950D31186D50008C7333C82@high-voltage.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > From: Alex Zepeda [mailto:garbanzo@hooked.net] > On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Brian McGroarty wrote: > > > How can we align ourselves with The K Desktop Environment, > promoting FreeBSD > > as the best platform for KDE? It would be HIGHLY beneficial > for KDE and > > FreeBSD both if we were sharing each other's momentum. > > > > KDE and FreeBSD. > > I'm sitting here cursing at zeus, the current KDE cvs server > and thinking. > Donations of hardware w/ decent network bandwidth would just > rock. Both > the mailing lists and the cvs archives are on questionable > machines, with > questionable network uplinks. Currently zeus claims to be > out of space in > /var/tmp making cvs updates impossible. GRR. If we could offer a server and connectivity, getting a "Powered by FreeBSD" banner on the developer pages would incite discussion and debate, ultimately promoting FreeBSD awareness among a very talented set of developers. Better still if we can offer space for the main web page and share visibility with one of Linux's fastest growing products. Has anyone bandwidth to burn? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Aug 16 1:47:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.scc.nl (node1374.a2000.nl [62.108.19.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84BEC14F54 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 01:47:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-advocacy@scc.nl) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by mail.scc.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09906 for advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:39:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd-advocacy@scc.nl) Message-Id: <199908160839.KAA09906@mail.scc.nl> Received: from GATEWAY by dwarf.hq.scc.nl with netnews for advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG (advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 01:38:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Confirmation for subscribe freebsd-advocacy Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -- Please be sure to read the charters before subscribing or sending mail to any FreeBSD mailing list for an explanation of which topics are relevant for a given list and what types of postings are and are not allowed. 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Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Aug 16 2:33:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from grisu.bik-gmbh.de (grisu.bik-gmbh.de [194.233.237.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E8C5150B6 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 02:33:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cracauer@counter.bik-gmbh.de) Received: from counter.bik-gmbh.de (counter.bik-gmbh.de [194.233.237.131]) by grisu.bik-gmbh.de (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA21398; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:31:27 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by counter.bik-gmbh.de (8.9.3/8.8.8) id LAA04617; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:29:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from cracauer) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:29:39 +0200 From: Martin Cracauer To: "\"Jordan K. Hubbard\"" Cc: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Selfstyled arrogance? Message-ID: <19990816112939.A4208@cons.org> References: <77276D633FA.AAA9A@po03.wxs.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from "Jordan K. Hubbard" on Thu, Jul 29, 1999 at 02:39:48PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In , "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > read this form of selfstyled arrogance: > > It's not arrogance. As far as they're concerned (and remember that > this is SCO talking), the Linux ABI is "good enough" as a standard ABI > for the x86 and they're probably right. I think that's all pretty irrelevant, since the typical "interesting" Linux application doesn't use the Linux API. But uses an Win32 compatible subset of system calls and the rest comes from random /proc hacks. Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.bik-gmbh.de/~cracauer/ "Where do you want to do today?" Hard to tell running your calendar program on a junk operating system, eh? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Aug 16 3:40:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mgw01.wxs.nl (mgw01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D9C14D04 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 03:40:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from skywise@wxs.nl) Received: from po03.wxs.nl (po03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.43]) by mgw01.wxs.nl (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA10554 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:40:42 +0200 Received: from webmail ([195.121.6.34]) by po03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA55AA for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:40:41 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: A reference to FreeBSD and the Underground... X-Posting-Host: 212.136.251.73 [212.136.251.73] X-Posting-UID: skywise X-Mailer: Netscape Messenger Express 3.5 [Mozilla/4.04 [en]C-UUNETBCBV3 (Win95; I)] Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:40:41 +0200 Message-ID: <7727908AFC9.AAA55AA@po03.wxs.nl> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, http://www.hackernews.com/orig/stateofnet.html contains this particular piece of text which I am not all too happy with. I emailed the author in order to rectify it since he does the project injustice, at least in my eyes. Almost any software could not truly be trusted. Well known public archives like Tucows would not have been defaced. Instead, smart hackers would have backdoored hundreds of popular downloads ranging from Netscape to ICQ to hareware games. Commercial operating systems like Sun Microsystems (Solaris), Cisco (IOS), or FreeBSD would most certainly contain hacker spawned backdoors. These would allow full control over your machine, and you would never know. Every key you press would be read by these smart hackers. Since when is the project commercial? 'gards, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Aug 16 13:54: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from aeolus.conio.net (ci221559-a.grnvle1.sc.home.com [24.4.122.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 84B8315582 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:53:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sam@conio.net) Received: (qmail 67334 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1999 21:03:34 -0000 Received: from ci221559-b.grnvle1.sc.home.com (HELO thanatos) (24.4.122.130) by ci221559-a.grnvle1.sc.home.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 21:03:34 -0000 From: "Sam Stephenson" To: Subject: ZDTV Coverage Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:02:03 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I don't know if any of you are unlucky enough to get ZDTV or not, but if you are, you're certainly aware of the amount of coverage devoted to Linux and BeOS on shows like ``The Screen Savers'' and ``Silicon Spin.'' In fact, I've never seen a ``Screen Savers'' camera shot that didn't include a plush Linux penguin or a bumper sticker advocating the OS. Rarely is it that I come across a page on the ZDNet web site without a link to something related to Linux, and a search across the entire ZDNet web site of the word ``FreeBSD'' returns no results. I sent an email about two months ago to The Screen Savers, asking for more FreeBSD coverage. (If anyone would like a copy of the message, drop me a line and I'll see if I can scrounge around in my archives and find it.) I got no response besides the automated ``we received your message'' deal, even after requesting a reply. Jordan (or anyone else for that matter), how hard would it be to get a FreeBSD plush doll and a Power Pak sent to ZDTV for ``Screen Savers'' coverage? No matter how bad ZDTV might be, coverage on its shows is desperately needed. The more people we can educate about the benefits of FreeBSD, the better -- I saw a Netcam caller once who thought Solaris was a form of Linux. It's time to get the word out about the best free OS available. Regards, Sam Stephenson sam@conio.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Aug 16 14:49:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B55014C46 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:49:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA71887; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:48:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: "Sam Stephenson" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ZDTV Coverage In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:02:03 EDT." Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:48:09 -0700 Message-ID: <71883.934840089@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If you can get me a name and a postal address, I can see about sending them a powerpak and maybe a small daemon plushie. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Aug 16 17:24:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.netwalk.com (mail.netwalk.com [216.69.192.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B648E14BF8 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:24:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmutter@netwalk.com) Received: from pokey.local.net (root@tcs1-26.arl.netwalk.net [216.69.200.26]) by mail.netwalk.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA10270 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:24:30 -0400 Received: from insomnia.local.net (insomnia.local.net [192.168.2.3]) by pokey.local.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA00375 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:24:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jmutter@insomnia.local.net) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:29:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "James A. Mutter" Reply-To: jmutter@netwalk.com To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Micro Center and FreeBSD. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm not sure how many of you live near a "Micro Center" computer store. For those of you who don't know, it's a large chain, similar to CompUSA. Anyhow, the point is that recently I've seen "The Complete FreeBSD + CD's" on the shelf. Yesterday I was flipping through one of their mailers and they even had it advertised. In the grand-scheme of things it probably doesn't mean much, but it was nice to see that they carried it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Aug 16 18:53:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from aeolus.conio.net (ci221559-a.grnvle1.sc.home.com [24.4.122.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 371F814BF8 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:53:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sam@conio.net) Received: (qmail 68374 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 02:03:17 -0000 Received: from ci221559-b.grnvle1.sc.home.com (HELO thanatos) (24.4.122.130) by ci221559-a.grnvle1.sc.home.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 02:03:17 -0000 From: "Sam Stephenson" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Subject: Re: ZDTV Coverage Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:01:42 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <71883.934840089@localhost> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan K. Hubbard (jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) wrote: > If you can get me a name and a postal address, I can see about > sending them a powerpak and maybe a small daemon plushie. > > - Jordan > Leo Laporte Host/Managing Editor, ZDTV 650 Townsend St., 3rd Floor San Francisco, CA 94103 Regards, Sam Stephenson sam@conio.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Aug 17 1:46:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from 60-Hz.Powered-By.AC (226-193.adsl2.avtel.net [207.71.226.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322FA14D43; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 01:46:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@Powered-By.AC) Received: from localhost (dburr@localhost) by 60-Hz.Powered-By.AC (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15735; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 01:43:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@Powered-By.AC) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 01:43:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Burr To: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Myth2 demo runs (mostly) OK. In-Reply-To: <199908170518.NAA04610@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth wrote: SHSPPT>Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:18:30 +0800 SHSPPT>From: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth SHSPPT>To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG SHSPPT>Subject: Myth2 demo runs (mostly) OK. SHSPPT> SHSPPT>After getting hold of a linux boxe's /proc/meminfo and stashing it in SHSPPT>/compat/linux/proc/meminfo (a plain file as opposed to the dynamically SHSPPT>generated linux doodad), branding the binary appropriately, it runs. The sound SHSPPT>is sometimes funny (sounds like the narrator is stuffed up with phlegm) but in SHSPPT>general it works rather well. It's a pity it's only software X11 rendering, SHSPPT>I'm rather looking forward to being able to play it as an OpenGL app. Nifty! The thought of "stealing" /proc/meminfo from a Linux box had never even crossed my mind, that was a stroke of genius. I shall have to try it on my commercial copy of Myth2. The sound problem sounds interesting (no pun intended). What sound driver are you using? I happen to use the commercial OSS driver (http://www.opensound.com/), which some say does sound for Linux-emulated programs better than either of the FreeBSD ones. (in fact, my Linux RealPlayer runs better than it ever has, using OSS.) I'll give it a try with OSS and let you know. This seems like a good time to bring up something that I've been doing a little work on. I'm putting together a web site of "FreeBSD Application Notes." The basic idea being, to list all Linux/SCO/etc. software that will work with FreeBSD's binary compatibility, and what special steps (if any) are required to get the program up and running. I'm almost finished writing the appnote for Civilization: Call to Power (but haven't converted it to HTML yet), and I will write up your solution to Myth II shortly (giving you proper credit, of course). I really think that something like this would be very good for FreeBSD advocacy. For anyone that is curious, I have a first "rough cut" of this site (empahsis on the word "rough") up for your viewing pleasure. Go to http://www.Powered-By.AC/fbsd-appnotes/. Comments are welcome. -- Donald Burr WEB: http://www.Powered-By.AC/ PO Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 Tel:(805)957-9666 FAX:(800)492-5954 Member and software developer with The FreBSD Project - http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ *** FreeBSD *** A FREE, 32 Bit UNIX OS for PC's -- The Power to Serve! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Aug 17 13:41:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from stumpy.dannyland.org (stumpy.dannyland.org [209.157.133.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319B4157A5 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:41:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyman@stumpy.dannyland.org) Received: by stumpy.dannyland.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 69A6F3C64; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:40:13 -0700 From: dannyman To: "James A. Mutter" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Micro Center and FreeBSD. Message-ID: <19990817134013.L353@stumpy.dannyland.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from James A. Mutter on Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 08:29:28PM -0400 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 08:29:28PM -0400, James A. Mutter wrote: > > I'm not sure how many of you live near a "Micro Center" computer > store. For those of you who don't know, it's a large chain, similar > to CompUSA. > > Anyhow, the point is that recently I've seen "The Complete FreeBSD + > CD's" on the shelf. Yesterday I was flipping through one of their > mailers and they even had it advertised. In the grand-scheme of > things it probably doesn't mean much, but it was nice to see that they > carried it. Last Time I was at a Micro Center, I couldn't find FreeBSD in the OS aisle. Later, I found it in the Bargain CD-ROMs aisle. :) -d -- dannyman - http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Aug 17 14:26: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from srv5-cba.cba.zaz.com.br (srv5-cba.cba.zaz.com.br [200.241.191.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E7715797 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:25:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shimakaw@cba.zaz.com.br) Received: from shimakawa ([200.241.191.142]) by srv5-cba.cba.zaz.com.br (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA27763 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:25:21 -0400 Message-ID: <001301bee8ee$9e9b7040$8ebff1c8@cba.zaz.com.br> From: "Andre Shimakawa" To: Subject: Printer shares.... Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:25:17 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry about my english :) Can I print from FreeBSD to a Windows shared printer? I want to replace Linux for FreeBSD in my work, but I need to know how to do this... Is there any doc about this? Thanks alot! Andre Shimakawa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Aug 17 15:39:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from genesis.setjmp.net (genesis.setjmp.net [208.13.245.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EABE514E85 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:39:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eric@setjmp.com) Received: from Apophis (eric@[10.0.0.193]) by genesis.setjmp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA14817 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:39:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from eric@setjmp.com) Message-ID: <002001bee901$40bd9d00$c100000a@cfpower.com> From: "Eric A. Griff" To: Subject: ColdFusion 4.5 beta for linux. Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:38:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Folks, I have gained access to this beta, and hope to get it running under linux emulation. Quick question, Anyone had luck running things built for RedHat 6.0 under emulation? They seem to have added a couple of .so's and renumbered many to 6.x (rather than the 2.x.x stuff in the ports). All gos well, we can add ColdFusion to the list of things that run under FreeBSD.. Then we can benchmark it -vs- RedHat, and then OS wars, etc... Kidding =) Just want to get rid of NT.. =) Thanks a million for any response at all =) Eric A. Griff , http://www.setjmp.com setjmp Software Your source for custom 181 Genesee Street Software Solutions. Suite 504 Utica, NY 13501 ICQ# 28146852 Office: (315) 734-1668 Extension 205 Home: (315) 495-2385 (seldom) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Aug 17 16: 0:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from behemoth.lehub.com (behemoth.lehub.com [209.24.238.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F38914E85 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:00:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shibumi@lehub.com) Received: from miranda.lehub.com (miranda.lehub.com [209.24.238.77]) by behemoth.lehub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27748 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:02:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shibumi@lehub.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by miranda.lehub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29591 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:00:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shibumi@lehub.com) Message-Id: <199908172300.QAA29591@miranda.lehub.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Micro Center and FreeBSD. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:40:13 PDT." <19990817134013.L353@stumpy.dannyland.org> Reply-To: shibumi@lehub.com X-Disclaimer: Unless otherwise noted below, this is not a policy statement X-Url: http://www.shockwave.org/~shibumi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:00:51 -0700 From: "Kenton A. Hoover" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Right above the non-RedHat LINUX releases. That makes it closer to eye-level, which is the premium spot. On Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:40:13 PDT, Sendmail channeled dannyman saying: > Last Time I was at a Micro Center, I couldn't find FreeBSD in the OS aisle. > > Later, I found it in the Bargain CD-ROMs aisle. :) | Kenton A. Hoover | shibumi@marchordie.org | | Private Citizen | | | San Francisco, California | | |===================== http://www.shockwave.org/~shibumi ====================| | The Comprehensive Schools excuse | | It's only gone wrong because of heavy cuts in staff and budget | | which have stretched supervisory resources beyond the limit. | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Aug 18 8:49:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pan.louisville.edu (pan.louisville.edu [136.165.253.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29CAD14FB4 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:49:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hans@pan.louisville.edu) Received: (from hans@localhost) by pan.louisville.edu (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA69488 for freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:43:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from hans) Message-ID: <19990818114355.A68779@louisville.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:43:55 -0400 From: "Hans K. Fiedler" To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSd mentioned in Computerworld Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There were a a couple of references to FreeBSD in Computerworld, Aug 16th. The stories are about the Linux Death Match at the Chaos Computer Camp, where a machine using FreeBSD tools won (I'm assuming they mean it was running FreeBSD). The articles are at; http://www.computerworld.com/home/print.nsf/all/990816BBCA http://www.computerworld.com/home/news.nsf/all/9908102chaos http://www.computerworld.com/home/print.nsf/all/990816BBDA not a lot of mention, thought a favorable reference. -- Hans K. Fiedler Information Technology Communications Analyst Communications Services hans@hermes.louisville.edu University of Louisville (502)852-7427 Louisville, Ky. 40292 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Aug 18 10:20:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from genesis.setjmp.net (genesis.setjmp.net [208.13.245.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7CDC15142 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:20:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eric@setjmp.com) Received: from Apophis (eric@[10.0.0.193]) by genesis.setjmp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA00850 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:19:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from eric@setjmp.com) Message-ID: <000801bee99d$b66e93f0$c100000a@cfpower.com> From: "Eric A. Griff" To: Subject: Unix and Intel A marriage made in Santa Cruz (InfoWorld) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:18:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEE97C.2E3DC850" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEE97C.2E3DC850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hehe, interesting in an indirect way.. A little fuel for unix in general.... http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?990817.piscoforum.htm I know this isn't directly FreeBSD related, though it does cover the argument that "Windows may kill Unix" =) Eric ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEE97C.2E3DC850 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Unix and Intel A marriage made in Santa Cruz (InfoWorld).url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Unix and Intel A marriage made in Santa Cruz (InfoWorld).url" [DEFAULT] BASEURL=3Dhttp://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?990817.piscofo= rum.htm [DOC#13] BASEURL=3Dhttp://ad.doubleclick.net/adi/idg.infoworld.com/news/in;sz=3D46= 8x60;ord=3D934996635 [InternetShortcut] URL=3Dhttp://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?990817.piscoforum.= htm Modified=3DC01CFB679DE9BE0183 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEE97C.2E3DC850-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Aug 18 11:13:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from server.computeralt.com (server.computeralt.com [207.41.29.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6AC514E6F for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:13:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott@computeralt.com) Received: from scott (scott.computeralt.com [207.41.29.100]) by server.computeralt.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA27233 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990818141121.00c82d90@mail.computeralt.com> X-Sender: scott@mail.computeralt.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:12:57 -0400 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org From: "Scott I. Remick" Subject: FreeBSD used at Linux Death Match Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It's only mentioned briefly, but it appears that FreeBSD was used during the Linux Death Match in Germany: Ain't THAT interesting... ----------------------- Scott I. Remick scott@computeralt.com Network and Information (802)388-7545 ext. 236 Systems Manager FAX:(802)388-3697 Computer Alternatives, Inc. http://www.computeralt.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Aug 19 14:45:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from aeolus.conio.net (ci221559-a.grnvle1.sc.home.com [24.4.122.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B8D9152E1 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:45:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sam@conio.net) Received: (qmail 85406 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 21:45:26 -0000 Received: from ci221559-b.grnvle1.sc.home.com (HELO thanatos) (24.4.122.130) by ci221559-a.grnvle1.sc.home.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 21:45:26 -0000 From: "Sam Stephenson" To: Subject: -CURRENT mentioned on Freshmeat Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:52:08 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Freshmeat has an item about the latest FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT marked with high urgency here: http://freshmeat.net/news/1999/08/18/935014094.html It's great to see FreeBSD covered on a Linux-centric site like Freshmeat. Is anyone responsible for this, or did the guys at Freshmeat just post it on their own? It would be nice if other sites would give the project coverage like this. --Sam Stephenson sam@conio.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Aug 20 0:43:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.palmerharvey.co.uk (mail.palmerharvey.co.uk [62.172.109.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE455152AA for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:43:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Dom.Mitchell@palmerharvey.co.uk) Received: from ho-nt-01.pandhm.co.uk (unverified) by mail.palmerharvey.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.0.1) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:43:01 +0100 Received: from voodoo.pandhm.co.uk (VOODOO [10.100.35.12]) by ho-nt-01.pandhm.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id RH63G3MD; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:42:45 +0100 Received: from dom by voodoo.pandhm.co.uk with local (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11HjKZ-000CY4-00; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:43:19 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:43:19 +0100 To: Sam Stephenson Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -CURRENT mentioned on Freshmeat Message-ID: <19990820084318.A48102@voodoo.pandhm.co.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: ; from Sam Stephenson on Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 05:52:08PM -0400 From: Dominic Mitchell Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 05:52:08PM -0400, Sam Stephenson wrote: > Freshmeat has an item about the latest FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT marked with high > urgency here: http://freshmeat.net/news/1999/08/18/935014094.html > > It's great to see FreeBSD covered on a Linux-centric site like Freshmeat. > Is anyone responsible for this, or did the guys at Freshmeat just post it on > their own? It would be nice if other sites would give the project coverage > like this. On the otherhand, it's not explicitly listed as "This is -CURRENT, not a release. In fact it's just a daily snapshot"... -- Dom Mitchell -- Palmer & Harvey McLane -- Unix Systems Administrator "Finally, when replying to messages only quote the parts of the message your will be discussing or that are relevant. Quoting whole messages and adding two lines at the top is not good etiquette." -- Elias Levy ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Aug 20 9: 6:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from neptune.psn.net (neptune.psn.net [207.211.58.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 794B31534F for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:06:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@shadow.blackdawn.com) Received: from 5042-243.008.popsite.net ([209.224.140.243] helo=shadow.blackdawn.com) by neptune.psn.net with esmtp (PSN Internet Service 2.12 #3) id 11HrBL-0004mb-00; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:06:20 -0700 Received: (from will@localhost) by shadow.blackdawn.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id MAA11197; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:06:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from will) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19990820084318.A48102@voodoo.pandhm.co.uk> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: Will Andrews From: Will Andrews To: Dominic Mitchell Subject: Re: -CURRENT mentioned on Freshmeat Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 20-Aug-99 Dominic Mitchell wrote: > On the otherhand, it's not explicitly listed as "This is -CURRENT, not a > release. In fact it's just a daily snapshot"... Indeed, it's not. This could lead to folks simply downloading FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT because it was advertised on freshmeat and then finding out that their computer doesn't even boot because of some problem with a new 4.0-CURRENT feature. Then, thanks to freshmeat, we might actually lose the prospect of a new FreeBSD user. However, it would be VERY nice (IMO) if freshmeat announced 3.3-RELEASE later this year. THEN users would be on a polished FreeBSD OS (certainly we could lose them for another reason, but that's not the issue here ;). -- Will Andrews To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Aug 21 5: 6:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.mato.com (Mail.mato.com [199.240.78.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C9EA714E15 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 05:06:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dragonk@mato.com) Received: from mato.com [199.240.78.210] by mail.mato.com with esmtp id 11I9sV-0005z5-00; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 06:04:07 -0600 Message-ID: <37BE959C.DECABD07@mato.com> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 06:03:41 -0600 From: Samuel Greear X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Posters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It's nice to see the addition of some additional promotional items added to the FreeBSD Mall, but i'd like to know... Have their been any plans to sell FreeBSD posters, like the one on display at the recent LinuxCon? I'd definitely buy two or three at the least... Bedroom, Bathroom, School... If not, where could one obtain some high resolution images of the Daemon so we could perhaps get our local print shop to cook something up? Thanks, Sam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Aug 21 17: 5:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.tesserae.com (freebsd.tesserae.com [209.19.206.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C254154BA for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:05:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pwiley@freebsd.tesserae.com) Received: from localhost (pwiley@localhost) by freebsd.tesserae.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA35641 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:02:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pwiley@freebsd.tesserae.com) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:02:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Preston S. Wiley II" To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Look at a new advocacy site. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've been posting a little bit about the new advocacy site I've put up. I've gotten a few responses on it, but not near what I expected. I remember when the advocacy site got taken down, there were quite a few people who complained about and some who suggested making a new one. Well...that's what I did. I added some more features to the administration pages. You can now change and delete things, instead of just being able to add them. I would like any suggestion that you can throw at me. If you want the site to live, here is my new design and layout to throw in the ring. Tell me what you think. It's PERL CGI with a backend MySql database, I'm using mod_perl with apache for more speed. URL of main site: http://freebsd.tesserae.com URL of admin stuff: http://freebsd.tesserae.com/admin The admin stuff isn't password protected yet, but that will be changed. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Preston Wiley Cadabra, Inc. Systems Administrator 1820 Gateway Drive, Suite 300 pwiley@cadabra.com San Mateo, CA 94404 650/403-2227 http://www.cadabra.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Aug 21 22:58: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C5F15372 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:57:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id OAA26483; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 14:56:53 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <37BF83C9.65B790BF@newsguy.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:59:53 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Marketing FreeBSD / FreeBSD as a pr References: <2253.934001491@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > It seems that about once a year, somebody suggests that the little guy > isn't serious enough, or that using him condones devil-worship, or any > number of other comments of a singularly useless nature. Is it any > wonder that I see this discussion as something of a waste of time? That's not true, Jordan. I have counted five times this year alone. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org - Come on. - Where are we going? - To get what you came for. - What's that? - Me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message