From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Oct 10 0:13:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from lerkim.go2net.com (lerkim.go2net.com [207.178.54.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC0E15294 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:13:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tcole@go2net.com) Received: from tcole by lerkim.go2net.com with local (Exim 3.03 #1 (Debian)) id 11aD9W-0001T1-00; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:12:18 -0700 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:12:18 -0700 From: Travis Cole To: "Robert A. Bruce" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What makes the Big Sites Run? Message-ID: <19991010001218.A5452@lerkim.go2net.com> References: <19991009234931.A12819@wcug.wwu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <19991009234931.A12819@wcug.wwu.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Go2Net BSDi, FreeBSD, Linux, Win-NT, Solaris Just to add a little info to this... In order of installed base for production servers at go2net things should probably be ordered like so: Linux, BSDi, Solaris, FreeBSD and in a very last place... WinNT NT is rarely used in production if we have a choice... *cough* *cough* *acquisitions* *cough* Now that doesn't touch on internal workstations. Which are mostly Window for regular users, Linux for developers and some of the SysAdmin types, and Solaris for the rest of the SysAdmin types. In my brief time working here (I start my 4th week on Monday) I would guess we have had the least problems with our Solaris and FreeBSD hosts. -- Travis Cole Go2Net WebOps -- tcole@go2net.com Any opinions expressed here are my and mine alone and in no way reflect the opinions of my employer. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Oct 10 3:11:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from guppy.pond.net (guppy.pond.net [205.240.25.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1367C151BA; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 03:09:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gryph@mindless.com) Received: from mindless.com (snapuser2-89.pacificcrest.net [216.36.34.89]) by guppy.pond.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15355; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 03:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <380065B9.6A9B951C@mindless.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 03:08:57 -0700 From: "D.M.P." Organization: dmp@aracnet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Brett Taylor , Donald Wilde , Joseph Scott , "Robert A. Bruce" , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What makes the Big Sites Run? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Fri, 8 Oct 1999, Brett Taylor wrote: > > > from Netcraft: > > > > homepages.msn.com is running Apache/1.3.9 (Unix) on Solaris > > Anyone happen to know what their excuse for this one is? They can't claim > it was a pre-existing setup, because they BUILT msn. At the time of MSN's launch, NT and IIS weren't stable enough for what the load and availability requirements. At the time, the P2 didn't exist, so there wasn't a reasonably-priced x86 solution for web-serving. I'll lay good money on them not moving it to NT4/IIS because of the same reasons involved with Hotmail. -- "Nothing is more noble, nothing more venerable than fidelity. Truth and faithfulness are the most sacred excellences and endowments of the human mind." -- Cicero To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Oct 10 5:25: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EEB3015599 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 05:24:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (qmail 21019 invoked from network); 10 Oct 1999 12:24:24 -0000 Received: from usercb73.uk.uudial.com (HELO marder-1.) (62.188.150.240) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 1999 12:24:24 -0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id NAA01140; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:24:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:24:12 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Nik Clayton Cc: Alfred Perlstein , Joel Sutton , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux convert... Message-ID: <19991010132411.A315@marder-1> References: <19991006234303.A28145@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <19991007204945.A817@marder-1> <19991009181219.A20278@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <19991009181219.A20278@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Oct 09, 1999 at 06:12:19PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Thu, Oct 07, 1999 at 08:49:45PM +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 11:43:03PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 01:20:26AM -0700, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > > Ah, you aren't familiar with the FreeBSD much hyped > > > > (or maybe not hyped enough... hrm) "make world" facility. > > > > > > > > http://www.nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk/FreeBSD/make-world/make-world.html > > > > > > For future reference: the version of this that's now in the Handbook > > > is the canonical version. The URL above will (this weekend) be replaced > > > with a pointer to the Handbook. > > > > > > > I used this doc when I did my first cvsup src-all. One thing that > > should be changed is the reference to using dircmp.pl "which is > > installed by default on FreeBSD versions 2.0 and above". Not on > > 3.1 it ain't (and it doesn't run under perl5 either). This should > > be changed to mergemaster (in the ports). > > Diffs! Diffs! Diffs! > > This is why it's now in the tree. I haven't got the time to maintain it > properly now, so the 'community' can support it. send-pr as usual should > do the trick. > Yes, OK. I'll try to get something done, but I'm rather busy right now; my father's had a bad stroke so I spend my weekends zapping up & down the M4/5/6 and the rest of the week catching up on lost sleep :(. Actually I think that the article needs a major overhaul to bring it up to date. What is your opinion on removing the references to 2.1.x and the early (pre-make {build,install}world? > N > -- > PS: Sorry for the delay in replying. What with work, buying a house, moving > in to the house, fixing the plumbing in the house, and paying the bills, I've > been a little busy recently. I'm back to e-mail now, and catching up. . . > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- STATE-OF-THE-ART: Any computer you can't afford. OBSOLETE: Any computer you own. ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 11 15:54: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13ECF14C9E for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:53:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04599 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:26:03 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:26:03 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Slashdot BSD section up and running Message-ID: <19991011222603.A4356@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Folks, As many of you will have seen, Slashdot's BSD section is now up and running. All I need now are submissions :-) I'll be scouring these lists for suitable material, but don't be afraid to submit something directly. N To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 11 15:56: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5280414C9E; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:54:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02560; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:10:57 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:10:57 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Mark Ovens Cc: Nik Clayton , Alfred Perlstein , Joel Sutton , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux convert... Message-ID: <19991011221057.A2013@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <19991006234303.A28145@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <19991007204945.A817@marder-1> <19991009181219.A20278@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <19991010132411.A315@marder-1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19991010132411.A315@marder-1>; from Mark Ovens on Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 01:24:12PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 01:24:12PM +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > > Diffs! Diffs! Diffs! > > > > This is why it's now in the tree. I haven't got the time to maintain it > > properly now, so the 'community' can support it. send-pr as usual should > > do the trick. > > > > Yes, OK. I'll try to get something done, but I'm rather busy right > now; my father's had a bad stroke so I spend my weekends zapping > up & down the M4/5/6 and the rest of the week catching up on lost > sleep :(. Sorry to hear that. I hope everything turns out OK. > Actually I think that the article needs a major overhaul to bring > it up to date. What is your opinion on removing the references to > 2.1.x and the early (pre-make {build,install}world? On the whole, I'd rather keep them. We're still thrashing out how best to retain historical information in the documentation while still allowing the possibility of generating a formatted document that (for example) only applies to 3.2. Until we get that finalised I'm loathe to remove content that's still accurate. N To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 11 15:58:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF8114C9E; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:58:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from maneben@charlie.cns.iit.edu) Received: from localhost (maneben@localhost) by charlie.cns.iit.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id RAA97478; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:59:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:59:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "Benjamin M. Manes" To: Nik Clayton Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slashdot BSD section up and running In-Reply-To: <19991011222603.A4356@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Folks, > > As many of you will have seen, Slashdot's BSD section is now up and running. > All I need now are submissions :-) > > I'll be scouring these lists for suitable material, but don't be afraid > to submit something directly. > > N So, when will Daemon Daily News become a sidebar choice, like Solaris Central, etc? It would be better for Slashdot to help promote other BSD new sites, rather than attempt to overshadow them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 11 17:19:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D3914A2C; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:19:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (ind.alcatel.com 2.3 [OUT])) id RAA28371; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id RAA05403; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:19:06 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn0.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA26244; Mon, 11 Oct 99 17:18:32 PDT Message-Id: <38027E6A.D5EE1C44@softweyr.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:18:50 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Benjamin M. Manes" Cc: Nik Clayton , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slashdot BSD section up and running References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Benjamin M. Manes" wrote: > > > Folks, > > > > As many of you will have seen, Slashdot's BSD section is now up and running. > > All I need now are submissions :-) > > > > I'll be scouring these lists for suitable material, but don't be afraid > > to submit something directly. > > > > N > > So, when will Daemon Daily News become a sidebar choice, like Solaris > Central, etc? It would be better for Slashdot to help promote other BSD > new sites, rather than attempt to overshadow them. I was wondering the same thing myself. I don't want to antagonize /., but they've certainly not been much of a help lately. It seems the only way we can even get on there is to give them a poke in the eye. I remain skeptical. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 11 19:38: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id DDA15152A1; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C882D1CD58B; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:38:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:38:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Nik Clayton Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slashdot BSD section up and running In-Reply-To: <19991011222603.A4356@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: > As many of you will have seen, Slashdot's BSD section is now up and running. > All I need now are submissions :-) > > I'll be scouring these lists for suitable material, but don't be afraid > to submit something directly. An idea I had is to post articles whenever -current gets a new cool feature, or when -stable gets something worthwhile back-ported, etc. The downside to this is a potential influx of "unwashed slashers" into -current when they're not ready for it, but OTOH it would raise the visibility of the feature evolution of FreeBSD (c.f. changelog excerpts from linux kernels-of-the-day), especially when it's something Linux doesn't have. Kris ---- XOR for AES -- join the campaign! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Oct 12 11:29: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04513157B7; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:28:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA59278; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:24:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:24:21 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: "Benjamin M. Manes" Cc: Nik Clayton , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slashdot BSD section up and running Message-ID: <19991012192420.A58654@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <19991011222603.A4356@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Benjamin M. Manes on Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 05:59:47PM -0500 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 05:59:47PM -0500, Benjamin M. Manes wrote: > So, when will Daemon Daily News become a sidebar choice, like Solaris > Central, etc? It would be better for Slashdot to help promote other BSD > new sites, rather than attempt to overshadow them. Sooner the better, I would imagine. As the copy on the slashboxes says, submit it, preferably along with code that'll pull out the headlines. Better still, ask DaemonNews to make the headlines available in RDF, so that it can fit right in with the existing parser. It case it gets forgotten, /. is, in many respects, just like FreeBSD in terms of what gets done and what doesn't. We have hundreds of users wanting this or that feature, and only a limited amount of developers to do the work. They have the same problem. If you can't do the work then it'll go on to someone's pile, to get implemented when they can. N PS: To forestall the inevitable "Yeah, but they've got all that backing from Andover, they could pay someone to do it", imagine the situation reversed, "Yeah, FreeBSD has all that backing from Walnut Creek, they could pay someone to implement ". To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Oct 12 11:29:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A13BD15820; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:29:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA59966; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:26:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:26:56 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Wes Peters Cc: "Benjamin M. Manes" , Nik Clayton , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slashdot BSD section up and running Message-ID: <19991012192656.B58654@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <38027E6A.D5EE1C44@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <38027E6A.D5EE1C44@softweyr.com>; from Wes Peters on Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 06:18:50PM -0600 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 06:18:50PM -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > I was wondering the same thing myself. I don't want to antagonize /., > but they've certainly not been much of a help lately. It seems the only > way we can even get on there is to give them a poke in the eye. > > I remain skeptical. As is your right. However, so far I've been doing this for a little over 24 hours. Lets give it a couple of months and see how it works out, eh? N To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Oct 12 12:26:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649BA14FD7; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:26:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (mothra.ecs.csus.edu [130.86.76.220]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02036; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38038B6E.5F9391FC@owp.csus.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:26:38 +0000 From: Joseph Scott Organization: Water Programs - CSU Sacramento X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nik Clayton Cc: "Benjamin M. Manes" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slashdot BSD section up and running References: <19991011222603.A4356@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <19991012192420.A58654@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nik Clayton wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 05:59:47PM -0500, Benjamin M. Manes wrote: > > So, when will Daemon Daily News become a sidebar choice, like Solaris > > Central, etc? It would be better for Slashdot to help promote other BSD > > new sites, rather than attempt to overshadow them. > > Sooner the better, I would imagine. As the copy on the slashboxes says, > submit it, preferably along with code that'll pull out the headlines. > > Better still, ask DaemonNews to make the headlines available in RDF, so > that it can fit right in with the existing parser. > Is there a web page on what format /. wants for their /. boxes? -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Oct 12 15:59:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9271547F; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:58:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA60390; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:29:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:29:58 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Nik Clayton , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slashdot BSD section up and running Message-ID: <19991012192958.C58654@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <19991011222603.A4356@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Kris Kennaway on Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 07:38:02PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 07:38:02PM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: > > As many of you will have seen, Slashdot's BSD section is now up and running. > > All I need now are submissions :-) > > > > I'll be scouring these lists for suitable material, but don't be afraid > > to submit something directly. > > An idea I had is to post articles whenever -current gets a new cool > feature, or when -stable gets something worthwhile back-ported, etc. The > downside to this is a potential influx of "unwashed slashers" into > -current when they're not ready for it, but OTOH it would raise the > visibility of the feature evolution of FreeBSD (c.f. changelog excerpts > from linux kernels-of-the-day), especially when it's something Linux > doesn't have. Excellent idea. This is exactly the sort of thing that wouldn't normally make the front page of /. -- of course, a few would: a technical paper about Vinum, comparing it to the Linux equivalents is likely to, but the vast majority would be better suited to the new BSD specific section. And remember, this is not a FreeBSD only section. That was the original plan from Andover, but I convinced them (well, it only took one e-mail message, so it wasn't too much convincing really) that it should cover all the BSDs. As I say, I'll be following the mailing lists as much as I can, but I don't always get the time to follow some of the in-depth technical discussions on -current, and this is where well written articles about particular new technically exciting features of *BSD would be very welcome indeed. N To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Oct 12 16: 7:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 7126B15126; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6524D1CD4C2; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:07:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:07:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Nik Clayton Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slashdot BSD section up and running In-Reply-To: <19991012192958.C58654@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: > And remember, this is not a FreeBSD only section. That was the original > plan from Andover, but I convinced them (well, it only took one e-mail > message, so it wasn't too much convincing really) that it should cover all > the BSDs. Yep, that goes without saying really, but it needs someone familiar with the devlopment work in the other camps to help out. Giving some further thought to the issue of FreeBSD neophytes seeing a cool new feature and deciding to jump into the -current waters themselves, about the only thing I can think to do is to tag each post with a "read me first" link which gives some general background about what to expect with -current (e.g. the FAQ entry on this), what kinds of support you can expect (no hand-holding), etc. That said, I think this could be an excellent chance to advertise to the linux camp, now that we have a little booth in their heartland :-) Kris ---- XOR for AES -- join the campaign! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Oct 12 16:47: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1DB14C04; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:46:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05637; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:47:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Nik Clayton Cc: Wes Peters , "Benjamin M. Manes" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slashdot BSD section up and running In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:26:56 BST." <19991012192656.B58654@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:47:24 -0700 Message-ID: <5633.939772044@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > As is your right. However, so far I've been doing this for a little over > 24 hours. Lets give it a couple of months and see how it works out, eh? Heh, indeed. How about starting with a slashdot item which simply even mentions the creation of this new BSD section? Must slashdot readers subscribe to freebsd-advocacy in order to find out about this significant new development on slashdot? :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Oct 12 18:16:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911AD14A14; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:16:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07250; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:16:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Nik Clayton , Wes Peters , "Benjamin M. Manes" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slashdot BSD section up and running In-Reply-To: <5633.939772044@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > As is your right. However, so far I've been doing this for a little over > > 24 hours. Lets give it a couple of months and see how it works out, eh? > > Heh, indeed. How about starting with a slashdot item which simply > even mentions the creation of this new BSD section? Must slashdot > readers subscribe to freebsd-advocacy in order to find out about this > significant new development on slashdot? :-) > Or atleast post it to DN daily. :-) I took a look on slashdot and didn't see anything about the BSD section. I was hoping to post something about DN daily and our latest issue. I noticed that the FreeBSDcon article made it to slashdot, did anyone notice if any DN stuff made it? > - Jordan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > Chris Coleman Daemon News Editor in Chief http://www.daemonnews.org Bringing BSD together To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Oct 13 9:34:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from confusion.skinner.org (confusion.skinner.org [209.3.31.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B46B014BFA for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:34:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from skinner@skinner.org) Received: from confusion.skinner.org (skinner@confusion.skinner.org [209.3.31.16]) by confusion.skinner.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA95490 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:31:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from skinner@skinner.org) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:31:08 -0400 (EDT) From: To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Help :) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have to give a speech about FreeBSD this thrusday. The crowd will be around 50-60 people. As far as basic facts and functions of FBSD will be no problem. However, I was told that a few of the regular's are "linux fanactix", or people who will "argue" over everything. I was asked to give this talk to expose the group to FreeBSD, I don't want to deal with the "linuxfacists" arguing every aspect of why linux is better or not. Does any one have some tips and or info I should mention other then your basic breakdown of the os that will help me at least put a good "foot hold" in with FBSD and leave less area's open to attack? I would rather during the open forum that the only thing they can justify linux being better's is mostly based on thier "personal preference" I have "sent to be by a nice guy on this list" som hand outs, one of which is the NT vs. Linux vs. Freebsd sheet. What im looking for is other informatiuon that I can mention to show why the OS we use is also holds its own. I hate giving talks so I want to be ready. -- +--------------------------+---------------------------+ | Robert Skinner | skinner@skinner.org | +--------------------------+---------------------------+ | Skinner's Personal Ego | http://www.skinner.org | +--------------------------+---------------------------+ Sanity is the trademark of a weak mind. -- Mark Harrold To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Oct 13 15:43:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36335153C5; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:43:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA41231; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:06:17 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:06:17 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Nik Clayton , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slashdot BSD section up and running Message-ID: <19991013200617.C40383@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <19991012192958.C58654@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Kris Kennaway on Tue, Oct 12, 1999 at 04:07:38PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Oct 12, 1999 at 04:07:38PM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote: > Giving some further thought to the issue of FreeBSD neophytes seeing a > cool new feature and deciding to jump into the -current waters themselves, > about the only thing I can think to do is to tag each post with a "read me > first" link which gives some general background about what to expect with > -current (e.g. the FAQ entry on this), what kinds of support you can > expect (no hand-holding), etc. A link to the Handbook entry should hopefully cover it. N To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Oct 13 15:50:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426E514E73; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:50:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA41143; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:05:37 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:05:37 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Chris Coleman Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Nik Clayton , Wes Peters , "Benjamin M. Manes" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slashdot BSD section up and running Message-ID: <19991013200537.B40383@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <5633.939772044@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Chris Coleman on Tue, Oct 12, 1999 at 09:16:47PM -0400 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Oct 12, 1999 at 09:16:47PM -0400, Chris Coleman wrote: > Or atleast post it to DN daily. :-) I took a look on slashdot and didn't > see anything about the BSD section. I was hoping to post something about > DN daily and our latest issue. Addressed in a recent post. I've also just posted an announcement about the latest issue of DN being available. > I noticed that the FreeBSDcon article made > it to slashdot, did anyone notice if any DN stuff made it? Not apart from that announcement, no. This is a slightly tricky situation. /. doesn't post when each new Linux magazine is out, but they do post links to interesting articles in those magazines. For DN I can either follow this 'policy' (it's more custom than policy), or I can remember to mention the new DN issue at the beginning of each month, without linking directly to the articles. I think doing both would probably be overkill, but, of course, I could be wrong about that. N To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Oct 13 16:56:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDCCE14FE0 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:56:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (ind.alcatel.com 2.3 [OUT])) id QAA04311; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id QAA14656; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:56:42 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn0.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA19120; Wed, 13 Oct 99 16:56:20 PDT Message-Id: <38051C38.7200A01@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:56:40 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: skinner@skinner.org Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help :) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG skinner@skinner.org wrote: > > I have to give a speech about FreeBSD this thrusday. The > crowd will be around 50-60 people. As far as basic facts and > functions of FBSD will be no problem. However, I was told > that a few of the regular's are "linux fanactix", or people > who will "argue" over everything. I was asked to give this > talk to expose the group to FreeBSD, I don't want to deal > with the "linuxfacists" arguing every aspect of why linux is > better or not. > > Does any one have some tips and or info I should > mention other then your basic breakdown of the os that will > help me at least put a good "foot hold" in with FBSD and > leave less area's open to attack? I would rather during the > open forum that the only thing they can justify linux being > better's is mostly based on thier "personal preference" > > I have "sent to be by a nice guy on this list" som hand > outs, one of which is the NT vs. Linux vs. Freebsd sheet. The best way is to avoid comparing FreeBSD with Linux, other than in a positive light. From the standpoint of a user, they are very similar, and share a lot of common code: XFree86, window managers, sendmail, BIND, etc. See the July and August Daemon's Advocate columns in Daemon News for examples. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Oct 13 19:34:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCB81531A; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:34:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19850; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:34:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman To: Nik Clayton Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Wes Peters , "Benjamin M. Manes" , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slashdot BSD section up and running In-Reply-To: <19991013200537.B40383@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Not apart from that announcement, no. > > This is a slightly tricky situation. /. doesn't post when each new Linux > magazine is out, but they do post links to interesting articles in those > magazines. > > For DN I can either follow this 'policy' (it's more custom than policy), > or I can remember to mention the new DN issue at the beginning of each > month, without linking directly to the articles. I would prefer that a particular article be chosen and linked to. I would also prefer that it actually show up on the main page, instead of being tucked away in the fine print. At least until people start reading the BSD page. Chris Coleman Daemon News Editor in Chief http://www.daemonnews.org Bringing BSD together To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Oct 14 10: 1:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E871E15032; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:01:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (ind.alcatel.com 2.3 [OUT])) id KAA14423; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:01:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id KAA11707; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:01:45 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn0.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA08587; Thu, 14 Oct 99 10:01:20 PDT Message-Id: <38060C75.D676CFDC@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:01:41 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Nik Clayton Cc: Chris Coleman , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "Benjamin M. Manes" , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slashdot BSD section up and running References: <5633.939772044@localhost> <19991013200537.B40383@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nik Clayton wrote: > > Addressed in a recent post. I've also just posted an announcement about > the latest issue of DN being available. > > [...] > > Not apart from that announcement, no. > > This is a slightly tricky situation. /. doesn't post when each new Linux > magazine is out, but they do post links to interesting articles in those > magazines. > > For DN I can either follow this 'policy' (it's more custom than policy), > or I can remember to mention the new DN issue at the beginning of each > month, without linking directly to the articles. > > I think doing both would probably be overkill, but, of course, I could be > wrong about that. No, you're right, doing both would be overkill. A posting of the table of contents each month would be nice, as well as new postings for some of the other publications when they have a new issue. Interesting or particularly informative articles will probably spontaneously generate user postings, it is up to you to decide if those warrant a separate item or should just be entered as commentary on the original posting. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Oct 14 13:37:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A8CD1514D for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:37:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jer@jorsm.com) Received: by mercury.jorsm.com (Postfix, from userid 1850) id 5DC04E4A16; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:37:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.jorsm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 530E2E0C0B for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:37:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:37:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeremy Shaffner To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: General Admission at FreeBSDCon Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Pat Rietz at WC has confirmed that there will be general admission (ie, free) at the Con for the vendors booths. The Presentations, Cruise and Beer Bash of course are for Registered Attendees only. - Thanks for the info Dan & Jim. -=========================================================================- Jeremy Shaffner JORSM Internet, Regional Internet Services System Administrator 7 Area Codes in Chicagoland and NW Indiana jer@jorsm.com 100Mbps+ Connectivity, 56K-DS3, V.90, ISDN support@jorsm.com Quality Service, Affordable Prices http://www.jorsm.com Serving Gov't, Business, Individuals Since 1995 -=========================================================================- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Oct 14 14:13:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2B8151A8; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:13:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32801; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:07:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:07:30 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Chris Coleman Cc: Nik Clayton , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Wes Peters , "Benjamin M. Manes" , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slashdot BSD section up and running Message-ID: <19991014220730.A28817@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <19991013200537.B40383@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Chris Coleman on Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 10:34:37PM -0400 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 10:34:37PM -0400, Chris Coleman wrote: > > For DN I can either follow this 'policy' (it's more custom than policy), > > or I can remember to mention the new DN issue at the beginning of each > > month, without linking directly to the articles. > > I would prefer that a particular article be chosen and linked to. I would > also prefer that it actually show up on the main page, instead of being > tucked away in the fine print. At least until people start reading the > BSD page. Sounds good. If you want to give me a heads up a couple of days before each issue goes up we can prep a story and associated link. /. stories get held in a queue and we can activate them at a set time, at which point they're automatically posted, so it's not like we need to coordinate this at the last minute or anything like that. Obviously, for the front page of /. it would help if the chosen story was of relevance to more than one BSD (and, ideally, the other free software efforts as well). For example, either the "Dual CPU" article or Greg's Daemon Advocate column would have made good front page material, IMHO. N To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Oct 14 15:24:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.runet.edu (peloton.runet.edu [137.45.96.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D9414F7A; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:24:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.runet.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA99436; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:24:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:24:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Brett Taylor To: Nik Clayton Cc: Chris Coleman , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slashdot BSD section up and running In-Reply-To: <19991014220730.A28817@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Nik, On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: > Obviously, for the front page of /. it would help if the chosen story > was of relevance to more than one BSD (and, ideally, the other free > software efforts as well). For example, either the "Dual CPU" article > or Greg's Daemon Advocate column would have made good front page > material, IMHO. Admittedly, this was before you started on officially, but I did submit the SMP article to /. and it got rejected. I figured that a comparison of actual implementation of SMP w/ the theoretical model would be good news but ... Brett ***************************************************** Dr. Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * Dept of Chem and Physics * Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics * Walker 234 (540) 831-5410 * ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Oct 14 23:35:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D70FA14D2B; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:35:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p05-dn02kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [210.163.200.102]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) with ESMTP id PAA04194; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:35:42 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3806C691.2EA2F1B2@newsguy.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:15:45 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jkh@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: 32 bits Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On the cover of FreeBSD 3.3: "A full 4.4 BSD lite based 32-bit operating system" ^^^^^^ Give our present support to the alpha platform, that's not entirely correct anymore, is it? -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "I always feel generous when I'm in the inner circle of a conspiracy to subvert the world order and, with a small group of allies, just defeated an alien invasion. Maybe I should value myself a little more?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Oct 14 23:40: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [207.154.84.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E2BA14D2B for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unfurl@magnesium.net) Received: (qmail 91130 invoked by uid 1001); 15 Oct 1999 06:40:00 -0000 Date: 14 Oct 1999 23:40:00 -0700 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:40:00 -0700 From: Bill Swingle To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: jkh@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 32 bits Message-ID: <19991014234000.A91104@dub.net> References: <3806C691.2EA2F1B2@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <3806C691.2EA2F1B2@newsguy.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Oct 15, 1999 at 03:15:45PM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > On the cover of FreeBSD 3.3: > > "A full 4.4 BSD lite based 32-bit operating system" > ^^^^^^ > > Give our present support to the alpha platform, that's not entirely > correct anymore, is it? Given that there are NO alpha bits on that disc at all I don't think it's a big deal :) -Bill PS yeah, that will have to change someday :) -- -=| --- B i l l S w i n g l e --- http://www.dub.net/ -=| unfurl@dub.net - unfurl@freebsd.org - bill@cdrom.com -=| Different all twisty a of in maze are you, passages little To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Oct 15 7:16:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from horizon2.webcentral.com.au (horizon2.webcentral.com.au [202.139.235.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CB22C14CA3 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:16:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wyldephyre@telebot.net) Received: (qmail 31847 invoked from network); 15 Oct 1999 14:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO timberwolf) (203.147.198.54) by horizon2.webcentral.com.au with SMTP; 15 Oct 1999 14:16:22 -0000 Message-ID: <003701bf1719$e99153e0$36c693cb@timberwolf> Reply-To: "Haikal Saadh" From: "Haikal Saadh" To: Subject: Abacus World Expo.. Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:31:01 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I wonder if any of the core team/other big shots read AfterY2k [www.after-y2k.com]. There have been key notes at abacus world expo [www.abacusworldexpo.com] by "Roblimo, Richard Stallman, Eric Raymond?, Hemos, BeDope's Mike Popovic, and others! ". Maybe the addition of some of the big names in *BSD would be good for publicity? And prove that we have a great sense of humour as well? __________ Over the centuries, mankind has tried many ways of combating the forces of evil...prayer, fasting, good works and so on. Up until Doom, no one seemed to have thought about the double-barrel shotgun. Eat leaden death, demon... ---Terry Pratchett--- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Oct 15 11:21: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354C01515C; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:21:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA54689; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:20:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: jkh@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 32 bits In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:15:45 +0900." <3806C691.2EA2F1B2@newsguy.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:20:48 -0700 Message-ID: <54685.940011648@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On the cover of FreeBSD 3.3: > > "A full 4.4 BSD lite based 32-bit operating system" > ^^^^^^ The alpha release will be on a separate CD from now on. It's technically correct. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Oct 15 11:55:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E8815365; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:55:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 11cCVi-0007vQ-00; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:55:26 +0100 Received: from localhost (jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA08199; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:55:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:55:25 +0100 (BST) From: J McKitrick To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: "Daniel C. Sobral" , jkh@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 32 bits In-Reply-To: <54685.940011648@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What will take up that space on Disc 2? -jm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Oct 15 12: 0:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8503E15161; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:00:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA54888; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:58:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: J McKitrick Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "Daniel C. Sobral" , jkh@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 32 bits In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:55:25 BST." Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:58:41 -0700 Message-ID: <54884.940013921@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > What will take up that space on Disc 2? Packages, live filesystem, CVS repository. Got plenty of stuff for that disk. Already overflowing, in fact. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Oct 16 17:45:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from begemot.org (negara.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662E6153FE; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:45:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (modem51.slip.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.97.150]) by begemot.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA15525; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 13:47:27 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (grog@localhost) by mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.6.12) id LAA07315; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:48:53 +1300 (NZDT) Message-ID: <19991017114853.03600@mojave.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:48:53 +1300 From: Greg Lehey To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 32 bits References: <3806C691.2EA2F1B2@newsguy.com> <54685.940011648@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <54685.940011648@localhost>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Fri, Oct 15, 1999 at 11:20:48AM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Friday, 15 October 1999 at 11:20:48 -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> On the cover of FreeBSD 3.3: >> >> "A full 4.4 BSD lite based 32-bit operating system" >> ^^^^^^ > > The alpha release will be on a separate CD from now on. It's > technically correct. :) And from a marketing viewpoint, suicide :-) Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message