From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Nov 14 14:19:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from ind.alcatel.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDFE915279 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:19:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com (mailhub [198.206.181.70]) by ind.alcatel.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (ind.alcatel.com 3.0 [OUT])) with SMTP id OAA10595; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:18:57 -0800 (PST) X-Origination-Site: Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id OAA12689; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:18:56 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.39]) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA07598; Sun, 14 Nov 99 14:18:52 PST Message-Id: <382F3550.89B57749@softweyr.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:18:56 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Coleman Cc: Alex Zepeda , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD in the press.. yay. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chris Coleman wrote: > > I haven't seen this on DN Daily, maybe someone could post it there. > > Chris Coleman > Daemon News Editor in Chief > http://www.daemonnews.org > Bringing BSD together > > On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: > > > Hmm. Just picked up a copy of MicroTimes (11/2 ed.) and bam. "Making a > > Case for FreeBSD" in letters to the editor. It's available on-line at http://microtimes.com/199/commletters199a.html, but doesn't make that much a point. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Nov 14 19: 1:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8DB14BF8 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:01:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jazepeda@pacbell.net) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org ([207.214.149.217]) by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FL7000CVXNAF5@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:59:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D406A91684; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:59:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:59:33 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Zepeda Subject: Re: FreeBSD in the press.. yay. In-reply-to: <382F3550.89B57749@softweyr.com> To: Wes Peters Cc: Chris Coleman , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Wes Peters wrote: > It's available on-line at http://microtimes.com/199/commletters199a.html, > but doesn't make that much a point. Yes, but this is/was the third pro-FreeBSD letter to the editor I've seen in mcrotimes, which means that the FreeBSD userbase is becomming more vociferous, and this is a good thing, especially if advertisers become interested in this "newfangled" FreeBSD. Plus the editor in chief seems rather receptive to doing more FreeBSD related stuff, provided there is the interest (they *were* a Mac shop). Besides, this is the first time I've ever seen FreeBSD advertised. I was impressed. - alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Nov 14 21:43:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from ind.alcatel.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA9E14DC6 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:43:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com (mailhub [198.206.181.70]) by ind.alcatel.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (ind.alcatel.com 3.0 [OUT])) with SMTP id VAA12306; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:42:51 -0800 (PST) X-Origination-Site: Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id VAA28683; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:42:51 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.39]) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA26517; Sun, 14 Nov 99 21:42:48 PST Message-Id: <382F9D57.60705089@softweyr.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 22:42:47 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Zepeda Cc: Chris Coleman , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD in the press.. yay. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alex Zepeda wrote: > > On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Wes Peters wrote: > > > It's available on-line at http://microtimes.com/199/commletters199a.html, > > but doesn't make that much a point. > > Yes, but this is/was the third pro-FreeBSD letter to the editor I've seen > in mcrotimes, which means that the FreeBSD userbase is becomming more > vociferous, and this is a good thing, especially if advertisers become > interested in this "newfangled" FreeBSD. Plus the editor in chief seems > rather receptive to doing more FreeBSD related stuff, provided there is > the interest (they *were* a Mac shop). > > Besides, this is the first time I've ever seen FreeBSD advertised. I was > impressed. Agreed. Don't get me wrong, I like the mention of FreeBSD anywhere, and it's good to know that MicroTimes might be receptive to articles. Now if we could just get people (including me) to write more of them... -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 16 12:44:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from misha.cisco.com (misha.cisco.com [171.69.206.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0312A14EFA for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:44:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mi@misha.cisco.com) Received: (from mi@localhost) by misha.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA45311; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:44:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi) Message-Id: <199911162044.PAA45311@misha.cisco.com> Subject: error in http://webreview.com/wr/pub/98/03/13/feature/change-mozilla.html To: webmaster@webreview.com, lisarein@finetuning.com Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:44:16 -0500 (EST) Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Reply-To: mi@aldan.algebra.com From: Mikhail Teterin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL60 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To whom it may concern! The article posted at the URL in subject contains the following phrase: The busiest FTP site in the world runs FreeBSD on a single Solaris server. Both FreeBSD and Solaris are operating systems and can not "run on" each other. Also, for some reason, the author does not identify the FTP site in question: ftp.cdrom.com. Please, ask the author (Lisa Rein) what she meant and correct the page. FWIW, the ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/ says: This machine is a Xeon/500 with 4GB of memory & 1/2 terabyte of RAID 5. The operating system is FreeBSD. Should you wish to get your own copy of FreeBSD, see the pub/FreeBSD directory or visit http://www.freebsd.org for more information. FreeBSD on CDROM can be ordered using the WEB at http://www.cdrom.com/titles/freebsd/freebsd.phtml or by sending email to orders@cdrom.com. 100Mbps colocation services provided by CRL Network Services. For more information, please visit http://www.crl.com. NetFRAME 9201 server machine provided by Micron Electronics. Please visit http://www.micronpc.com/web/walnutcreek.html. Thank you. Sincerely, -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Nov 17 10:31:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD9415312 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:30:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com ([210.163.200.123]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) with ESMTP id DAA24902; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 03:30:43 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3832EDFC.F374A423@newsguy.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 03:03:41 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mi@aldan.algebra.com Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: error in http://webreview.com/wr/pub/98/03/13/feature/change-mozilla.html References: <199911162044.PAA45311@misha.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG For reasons that have been discussed to death before, it is a very bad idea to cc: -advocacy on this cases. Send the message, and then send a copy of it to -advocacy. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "Then again maybe not going to heaven would be a blessing. Relkin liked a certain amount of peace and harmony, since there'd been a pronounced shortage of them in his own life; however, nothing but peace and harmony, forever and forever? He wasn't sure about that. And no beer? Very dubious proposition." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Nov 17 21: 6:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pike.cdrom.com (pike.cdrom.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 753D314C0C for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:06:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rab@pike.cdrom.com) Received: from pike.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by pike.cdrom.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA27315; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:08:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199911180508.VAA27315@pike.cdrom.com> To: Aernoudt Bottemanne Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: FreeBSD at the HCC In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:00:14 +0100." <382C8DEE.EBE75A96@capitolonline.nl> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:08:41 -0800 From: "Robert A. Bruce" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Aernoudt Bottemanne said... >Next week the biggest computer fair in the Netherlands is held. In 3 >days there will be about a 130.000 people to enjoy all the good stuff a >computer has to bring. > >FreeBSD will be there on 2 stands ! One in the commercial department, >and one in the user group department. If somebody has any nice >things/hints/tips/promotional material to make this an even bigger >succes just let us know ! >( http://www.nlfug.nl ) Or send me a reply to this mail. I just got back from Comdex (where FreeBSD had a 400 sq ft booth!), so it is too late for me to help out. But I want to let everyone know that we have plenty of promotional material available, including "What is FreeBSD" flyers, comparison charts of FreeBSD vs Linux vs NT, newsletters, etc., that we can supply for free to anyone doing FreeBSD advocacy work. We also have installation CDROMs, t-shirts, daemon beanbags, decals, case-plates, bumper-stickers and other material that we can supply at-cost. If you need any of this material, please send me email. But make sure you give me some reasonable lead time. We can't get anything from California to Europe in three days without paying a lot in shipping costs. -bob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Nov 19 12: 0: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4524214F2E for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:59:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bottemanne@capitolonline.nl) Received: from capitolonline.nl ([195.121.168.145]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA4A68; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:59:43 +0100 Message-ID: <3835AC6C.9B120BB4@capitolonline.nl> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 21:00:44 +0100 From: Aernoudt Bottemanne X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Robert A. Bruce" Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" , nlfug@nl.freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD at the HCC References: <199911180508.VAA27315@pike.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Robert, Thanks for the offer, the can rest assured that we will make use of that in The Netherlands for the next computer fair/demo days/install perties ! Today was the first of 3 days of 3 days HCC. About 40.000 people past 2 FreeBSD stands. From the amount of interest I can say it is going very well. However: the most often heard question is "what Linux distribution is this ?".... : - ) Ahum, well as you can understand that takes some time explaning, but all is well. Looking forward to tomorrow and Sunday, if all goes well the Dutch FreeBSD User Group should have quite a few new members. The 'virus' is spreading. Kind regards, Aernoudt "Robert A. Bruce" wrote: > > Aernoudt Bottemanne said... > >Next week the biggest computer fair in the Netherlands is held. In 3 > >days there will be about a 130.000 people to enjoy all the good stuff a > >computer has to bring. > > > >FreeBSD will be there on 2 stands ! One in the commercial department, > >and one in the user group department. If somebody has any nice > >things/hints/tips/promotional material to make this an even bigger > >succes just let us know ! > >( http://www.nlfug.nl ) Or send me a reply to this mail. > > I just got back from Comdex (where FreeBSD had a 400 sq ft booth!), > so it is too late for me to help out. But I want to let everyone > know that we have plenty of promotional material available, including > "What is FreeBSD" flyers, comparison charts of FreeBSD vs Linux vs NT, > newsletters, etc., that we can supply for free to anyone doing FreeBSD > advocacy work. > > We also have installation CDROMs, t-shirts, daemon beanbags, decals, > case-plates, bumper-stickers and other material that we can supply > at-cost. > > If you need any of this material, please send me email. But make > sure you give me some reasonable lead time. We can't get anything > from California to Europe in three days without paying a lot in > shipping costs. > > -bob > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- / ____ ___ _______ / Aernoudt Bottemanne / __/______ ___ / _ )/ __/ _ \ / bottemanne@capitolonline.nl / _// __/ -_) -_) _ |\ \/ // / / /_/ /_/ \__/\__/____/___/____/ / Voorburg ----- The Power to Serve ----- / The Netherlands http://www.freebsd.org / / The Dutch FreeBSD User Group http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Nov 19 13:50: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.numachi.com (numachi.numachi.com [198.175.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 57D2915767 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:49:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from reichert@numachi.com) Received: (qmail 19541 invoked by uid 1001); 19 Nov 1999 21:49:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:49:38 -0500 From: Brian Reichert To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD at The Bazarr, NYC, in Dec? Message-ID: <19991119164938.M17459@numachi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As the subject says: Does FreeBSD have any formal representation at 'the Bazaar' conference in NYC next month? See . I'm hoping to go, and wanted to get a feel for someone from other than the Linux camp being represented. (I note one OpenBSD firewall session, but that seems to be it...) -- Brian 'you Bastard' Reichert reichert@numachi.com 37 Crystal Ave. #303 Daytime number: (781) 899-7484 x704 Derry NH 03038-1713 USA Intel architecture: the left-hand path To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Nov 19 14:24:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7388014BCE for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:24:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA97042; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:22:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Brian Reichert Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD at The Bazarr, NYC, in Dec? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:49:38 EST." <19991119164938.M17459@numachi.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:22:42 -0800 Message-ID: <97038.943050162@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > As the subject says: > > Does FreeBSD have any formal representation at 'the Bazaar' conference > in NYC next month? See . I'm slated to go but will probably have to cancel due to a lack of time. In such a case, someone else from the FreeBSD project will still attend. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Nov 19 17: 6: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from ind.alcatel.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4293615518 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:05:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com (mailhub [198.206.181.70]) by ind.alcatel.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (ind.alcatel.com 3.0 [OUT])) with SMTP id RAA12832 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:05:29 -0800 (PST) X-Origination-Site: Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id RAA04702; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:05:29 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn0.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA16424; Fri, 19 Nov 99 17:05:26 PST Message-Id: <3835F3D6.46536837@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:05:26 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Get out and advocate something Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Friends, colleagues, and you lazy turds on the back row: Is it just me, or has the amount of FreeBSD Advocacy on the daily.daemonnews and /. sites really hit the skids? I did a little bit of searching, maybe 20 minutes, and came up with 4 or 5 stories last night and another 4 or 5 tonight. Join in the fun. Go to your favorite news sites, Red Herring, etc., and search for BSD. You'll be surprised how many interesting snippets you'll find, and I don't want to appear to be the "Daily DaemonNews roving reporter," it would be better if we had, say, 3 or 4 people working on this. BTW, go check out Daily right now if you haven't looked today. There's a report about a division of Cox Television that is selling a supported version of picoBSD, new or upcoming commercial software releases for FreeBSD, and a "Lifetime Achievement Award" for Bill Joy. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Nov 20 5:58:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8916B14CC0 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 05:58:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lynch@bsdunix.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02705; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 08:58:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 08:58:42 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: advocacy@freebsd.org Cc: members@funy.org, groo@cs.stevens-tech.edu Subject: The Bazaar Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks to whoever on this list posted about the bazaar conference. Having been busy I haven;t really had the time to actively search out advocacy efforts here in NYC. The long and short of it is this. We really didn;t know about this until last night, but I wrote Lydia Bennett (one of the conference chairs) and possibly got a booth for FUNY (read as BSD users of New York, no longer "FreeBSD Users of New York") at the conference. I'm not sure of the status of that, will probably fnd out this week. If we do, I'll need volunteers. Also, I volunteered to lead a BSD BoF session in the evening, kindof a FUNY meeting open to everyone on the premises of the conference grounds. If anyone has ideas as to how to go about it, theres already a BSD Info/tutorial type sessiont hat will go into the history of all the BSD's but I'm hoping maybe I can get a few computers for Free, Open and NetBSD, and we can discuss and maybe make it a semi-help session? Mickey, feel free to distribute this to OpenBSD folks as well...and anyone who has contacts within the NetBSD community? (Bill?) And We'll do our damned best to find some beer afterwards for Mickey =) -Pat ___________________________________________________________________________ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net Systems Administrator Rush Networking ___________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Nov 20 6:31:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A2B14CED for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 06:31:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with bsmtp id PAA07673 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 15:31:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14201 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:49:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: Get out and advocate something Date: 20 Nov 1999 14:49:13 +0100 Message-ID: <8168sp$drd$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> References: <3835F3D6.46536837@softweyr.com> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wes Peters wrote: > BTW, go check out Daily right now if you haven't looked today. I'm sure it does a fine job for its intended MSIE-using MS-Windows audience, but with lynx, w3m, and Netscape (using the default window size) it isn't particularly readable. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Nov 20 7:46: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2D414D52 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 07:46:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA52622 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 07:45:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Prev-Resent: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 07:45:36 -0800 Prev-Resent: "advocacy@freebsd.org " Received: from pike.cdrom.com (pike.cdrom.com [204.216.28.222]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA52580 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 07:41:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) by pike.cdrom.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA27832 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 07:43:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 7CA4215034; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 07:40:48 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: jkh@hub.freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 538) id C1F7E14FBD; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 07:40:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A9C7F1CD73E; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 07:40:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 Nov 1999 07:40:46 -0800 Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from loki.intrepid.net (intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78B314F8D for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 07:40:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@loki.intrepid.net) Received: (from mark@localhost) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29603 for www@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:40:42 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:40:42 -0500 From: Mark Conway Wirt To: www@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD in the Press Message-ID: <19991120104042.C17266@intrepid.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The following URL: http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/1999/11/18/red_hat/index.html discusses RedHat's acquisition of Cygnus, and quotes Jordan Hubbard at length, as well as mentioning FreeBSD. You may want to include it in your "FreeBSD in the press" section. --Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-www" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Nov 20 7:55:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0544F14D52 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 07:55:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24869; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:55:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:55:19 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Coleman To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Get out and advocate something In-Reply-To: <8168sp$drd$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hmm.. I wonder what it looks like in MSIE? I only use Netscape under FreeBSD. Give us a hand here, what doesn't look right, and how can I get it fixed? Daemon News is one of the biggest advocacy tools BSD has. Help us get it right. Chris Coleman Daemon News Editor in Chief http://www.daemonnews.org Bringing BSD together On 20 Nov 1999, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Wes Peters wrote: > > > BTW, go check out Daily right now if you haven't looked today. > > I'm sure it does a fine job for its intended MSIE-using MS-Windows > audience, but with lynx, w3m, and Netscape (using the default window > size) it isn't particularly readable. > > -- > Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Nov 20 8:23:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EBEE14C99 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 08:23:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24947; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:23:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:23:21 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Coleman To: Pat Lynch Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, members@funy.org, groo@cs.stevens-tech.edu Subject: Re: The Bazaar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Post this to DN Daily to get all BSD involved. Chris Coleman Daemon News Editor in Chief http://www.daemonnews.org Bringing BSD together On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Pat Lynch wrote: > Thanks to whoever on this list posted about the bazaar conference. > > Having been busy I haven;t really had the time to actively search out > advocacy efforts here in NYC. > > The long and short of it is this. We really didn;t know about this until > last night, but I wrote Lydia Bennett (one of the conference chairs) and > possibly got a booth for FUNY (read as BSD users of New York, no longer > "FreeBSD Users of New York") at the conference. I'm not sure of the status > of that, will probably fnd out this week. > > If we do, I'll need volunteers. > > Also, I volunteered to lead a BSD BoF session in the evening, kindof a > FUNY meeting open to everyone on the premises of the conference grounds. > > If anyone has ideas as to how to go about it, theres already a BSD > Info/tutorial type sessiont hat will go into the history of all the BSD's > but I'm hoping maybe I can get a few computers for Free, Open and NetBSD, > and we can discuss and maybe make it a semi-help session? > > Mickey, feel free to distribute this to OpenBSD folks as well...and anyone > who has contacts within the NetBSD community? (Bill?) > > And We'll do our damned best to find some beer afterwards for Mickey =) > > -Pat > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net > lynch@bsdunix.net > Systems Administrator Rush Networking > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Nov 20 9:29:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from cheddar.netmonger.net (cheddar.netmonger.net [209.54.21.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A116514D7C for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:29:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@cheddar.netmonger.net) Received: (from chris@localhost) by cheddar.netmonger.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA20633; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:29:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991120122909.A20032@netmonger.net> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:29:09 -0500 From: Christopher Masto To: Pat Lynch , advocacy@freebsd.org Cc: members@funy.org Subject: Re: The Bazaar References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Pat Lynch on Sat, Nov 20, 1999 at 08:58:42AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Nov 20, 1999 at 08:58:42AM -0500, Pat Lynch wrote: > Thanks to whoever on this list posted about the bazaar conference. > > Having been busy I haven;t really had the time to actively search out > advocacy efforts here in NYC. > > The long and short of it is this. We really didn;t know about this until > last night, but I wrote Lydia Bennett (one of the conference chairs) and > possibly got a booth for FUNY (read as BSD users of New York, no longer > "FreeBSD Users of New York") at the conference. I'm not sure of the status > of that, will probably fnd out this week. > > If we do, I'll need volunteers. I will definately be at the show for at least some amount of time to wander around the exhibit hall. Not that they've had it yet, but my understanding's been that we're talking about a trade show, not a technical conference. To atone for my sins of handing out free Linux CDs at a previous trade show, I will of course be glad to sit behind a table and spread the gospel according to Chuck. If we manage to get a table, BTW (and I don't think that should be a big problem) be sure to check into the possibility of power and network connections. The "big" shows charge a fortune for such extravagance, and I wouldn't be suprised if that's the Javits Center policy (union labor) and even if the bizarre organizers luv us to death we may still have to run our laptops on battery and CDPD. Some consideration should also be given (is that passive enough that I'm clearly not volunteering?) to the production of paper that says stuff about us and our favorite operating systems. People walk around these shows in a zombified stupor and put one of everything into their IBM bags. -- Christopher Masto Senior Network Monkey NetMonger Communications chris@netmonger.net info@netmonger.net http://www.netmonger.net Free yourself, free your machine, free the daemon -- http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Nov 20 9:43:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E474B14BE1 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:43:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25287; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:43:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:43:37 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Coleman To: Christopher Masto Cc: Pat Lynch , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, members@funy.org Subject: Re: The Bazaar In-Reply-To: <19991120122909.A20032@netmonger.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a flier available for download in PDF format. http://www.vmunix.com/~chrisc/DNflyer.pdf Chris Coleman Daemon News Editor in Chief http://www.daemonnews.org Bringing BSD together On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Christopher Masto wrote: > On Sat, Nov 20, 1999 at 08:58:42AM -0500, Pat Lynch wrote: > > Thanks to whoever on this list posted about the bazaar conference. > > > > Having been busy I haven;t really had the time to actively search out > > advocacy efforts here in NYC. > > > > The long and short of it is this. We really didn;t know about this until > > last night, but I wrote Lydia Bennett (one of the conference chairs) and > > possibly got a booth for FUNY (read as BSD users of New York, no longer > > "FreeBSD Users of New York") at the conference. I'm not sure of the status > > of that, will probably fnd out this week. > > > > If we do, I'll need volunteers. > > I will definately be at the show for at least some amount of time to > wander around the exhibit hall. Not that they've had it yet, but my > understanding's been that we're talking about a trade show, not a > technical conference. > > To atone for my sins of handing out free Linux CDs at a previous trade > show, I will of course be glad to sit behind a table and spread the > gospel according to Chuck. > > If we manage to get a table, BTW (and I don't think that should be a > big problem) be sure to check into the possibility of power and > network connections. The "big" shows charge a fortune for such > extravagance, and I wouldn't be suprised if that's the Javits Center > policy (union labor) and even if the bizarre organizers luv us to > death we may still have to run our laptops on battery and CDPD. > > Some consideration should also be given (is that passive enough that > I'm clearly not volunteering?) to the production of paper that says > stuff about us and our favorite operating systems. People walk around > these shows in a zombified stupor and put one of everything into their > IBM bags. > -- > Christopher Masto Senior Network Monkey NetMonger Communications > chris@netmonger.net info@netmonger.net http://www.netmonger.net > > Free yourself, free your machine, free the daemon -- http://www.freebsd.org/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Nov 20 11:24:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from ind.alcatel.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E70AD15030 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:24:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com (mailhub [198.206.181.70]) by ind.alcatel.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (ind.alcatel.com 3.0 [OUT])) with SMTP id LAA15338; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:23:38 -0800 (PST) X-Origination-Site: Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id LAA14864; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:23:37 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.39]) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA02367; Sat, 20 Nov 99 11:23:30 PST Message-Id: <3836F531.6C98997@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:23:29 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Get out and advocate something References: <3835F3D6.46536837@softweyr.com> <8168sp$drd$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > Wes Peters wrote: > > > BTW, go check out Daily right now if you haven't looked today. > > I'm sure it does a fine job for its intended MSIE-using MS-Windows > audience, but with lynx, w3m, and Netscape (using the default window > size) it isn't particularly readable. Snort. It's intended audience is Netscape on BSD, obviously, and works just fine with any reasonable-sized window. Just because Netscape comes up by default with a peephole instead of a window doesn't mean you have to leave it that way. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Nov 20 11:36:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C98A15030 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:35:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25787; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:35:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:35:29 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Coleman To: Wes Peters Cc: Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Get out and advocate something In-Reply-To: <3836F531.6C98997@softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I downloaded Lynx and optimized DN Daily for LYNX and small screens. Let me know what you think. http://daily.daemonnews.org/~chrisc/daily/ If enough people like it, I will commit it. Chris Coleman Daemon News Editor in Chief http://www.daemonnews.org Bringing BSD together On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Wes Peters wrote: > Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > > > Wes Peters wrote: > > > > > BTW, go check out Daily right now if you haven't looked today. > > > > I'm sure it does a fine job for its intended MSIE-using MS-Windows > > audience, but with lynx, w3m, and Netscape (using the default window > > size) it isn't particularly readable. > > Snort. It's intended audience is Netscape on BSD, obviously, and > works just fine with any reasonable-sized window. Just because > Netscape comes up by default with a peephole instead of a window > doesn't mean you have to leave it that way. > > -- > "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" > > Wes Peters Softweyr LLC > wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Nov 20 16: 4:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58312157AC for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:04:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (mothra.ecs.csus.edu [130.86.76.220]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00447; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:04:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3837358F.B3ACE37E@owp.csus.edu> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 15:58:07 -0800 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Get out and advocate something References: <3835F3D6.46536837@softweyr.com> <8168sp$drd$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > Wes Peters wrote: > > > BTW, go check out Daily right now if you haven't looked today. > > I'm sure it does a fine job for its intended MSIE-using MS-Windows > audience, but with lynx, w3m, and Netscape (using the default window > size) it isn't particularly readable. > Believe me this is something that we've tried to get right, but I'll admit that we probably aren't there yet. I know that I'm usually looking at in X using Netscape 4.51 on my FreeBSD box. My res is 1152x864 ( or something like that ) so I resize my Netscape window to 800x600. You mention "the default window size" for Netscape, in what res? Believe me, we're more than willing to take suggestions that would make your browsing the Daily site easier. Just realize that we all still have normal day jobs, so it may take a little time before we get everything just right. Open to hints/suggestions/idea/etc. Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu Water Programs - CSU Sacramento To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Nov 20 18:18:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from ind.alcatel.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A911512E for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 18:18:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com (mailhub [198.206.181.70]) by ind.alcatel.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (ind.alcatel.com 3.0 [OUT])) with SMTP id SAA15946; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 18:17:33 -0800 (PST) X-Origination-Site: Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id SAA27648; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 18:17:32 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.39]) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA18929; Sat, 20 Nov 99 18:17:10 PST Message-Id: <38375622.1F5ED7DD@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:17:06 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Coleman Cc: Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Get out and advocate something References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chris Coleman wrote: > > I downloaded Lynx and optimized DN Daily for LYNX and small screens. > > Let me know what you think. > > http://daily.daemonnews.org/~chrisc/daily/ > > If enough people like it, I will commit it. If you want to check a web page to see how it will work with Lynx but don't have Lynx installed, surf on over to the Lynx-it page at http://net.slcc.edu/webguide/lynxit.html, type in the URL of the page in question, and view the output from Lynx. Brought to you courtesy the Lynx development team at Salt Lake Community College. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Nov 20 21:30:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BF614E5A for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 21:30:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with bsmtp id GAA11373 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 06:30:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05750 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 03:48:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: Get out and advocate something Date: 21 Nov 1999 03:48:12 +0100 Message-ID: <817mhc$5je$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> References: <3835F3D6.46536837@softweyr.com> <8168sp$drd$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <3837358F.B3ACE37E@owp.csus.edu> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Joseph Scott wrote: > I know that I'm usually looking at in X using Netscape 4.51 on > my FreeBSD box. My res is 1152x864 ( or something like that ) so > I resize my Netscape window to 800x600. You mention "the default > window size" for Netscape, in what res? If there are no prior saved preferences, Netscape seems to come up with 540x686. I actually like that "peephole". (My screen size is typically 1152x864.) > Believe me, we're more than willing to take suggestions that would > make your browsing the Daily site easier. I sent several suggestions to Chris that translate to rather minor changes in the actual code: - If you don't autoload images, the replacement text for the "join eGroups" image disproportionally blows up the width of the nav bar. Shorten the ALT/NAME text. - For the articles, drop the NOWRAP attribute. It keeps the articles from resizing to fit the canvas width. A wrapped title line is far preferable to having to scroll horizontally. - *All* images should have ALT attributes. For decorative fluff like the corner GIFs, ALT="" is not only okay but in fact preferable. - Unless you run into trouble with clipping of important ALT text (in Netscape with image loading off), all images should be specified with HEIGHT and WIDTH attributes. These changes make the page already quite presentable on Netscape and w3m and they're orthogonal to Chris' own first attempt. Links appear in their default color, in white, and in black. This is needlessly confusing. Links should look the same throughout a site (and page!) and preferably not differ from the default we're used to. Adapting the page to lynx will require more work. lynx is great for viewing the structure of a web page. Unfortunately, in this case it reveals that there is little structure from an HTML point of view. The headlines of the articles aren't HTML headers (Hn). The text is not contained in a paragraph (P). All the "structure" you see in Netscape derives from explicitly specifying presentation details (placing everything in nested tables, using FONT). You're using what is intended for visual sugar to carry the actual semantics. Lynx simply doesn't handle the presentation details. As people tend to remark, using lynx to view a hypertext page pops the pretty soap bubbles and leaves you with the substance. I'm not sure whether the above makes sense to anybody but denizens of comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html, where this ground is covered, oh, about daily. > Just realize that we all still have normal day jobs, so it may > take a little time before we get everything just right. And, as I also mentioned to Chris, if you want to get things *right* rather than accidentally working (or not) with the various browsers' error handling routines, you should run the page through a validator. I'd go for HTML 4.0/Transitional compliance. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message