From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Dec 26 10:59:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from plab.ku.dk (plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C6F14D62; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 10:59:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from voland@plab.ku.dk) Received: from eagle.plab.ku.dk (voland@eagle.plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.63]) by plab.ku.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00300; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 20:01:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from voland@plab.ku.dk) Received: (from voland@localhost) by eagle.plab.ku.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16447; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 19:59:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from voland) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Comment-To: Greg Lehey To: Greg Lehey Cc: James Howard , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Byte/Russia References: <19991223112615.X1316@freebie.lemis.com> <19991224135350.K1316@freebie.lemis.com> From: Vadim Belman In-Reply-To: Greg Lehey's message of "Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:53:50 +1030" Date: 26 Dec 1999 19:59:44 +0100 Message-ID: <85zouxjzoe.fsf@eagle.plab.ku.dk> Lines: 25 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Greg! On 24 Dec 99 at 04:23, "Greg" (Greg Lehey) wrote: >>> One thing that does impress me about the magazine is the technical >>> detail, which I haven't seen in a US magazine for decades. They also >>> give a surprising amount of attention to UNIX. The magazine is 96 >>> pages, including all ads, and 22 of them are about UNIX. There's an >>> almost total lack of Microsoft (just a single, albeit rather long, >>> article about setting up TCP/IP on Windoze). Very refreshing. >> Indeed, I was freaking astouned by that. There were some other >> articles on Linux, which of course, I cannot make out, except for >> "Linux" stuck in here and there. Definetly my kind of people. :) Greg> Right. Well, there could be more BSD :-) It will. I'm writing my second article for the magazine which will be talking about FreeBSD advantages, what makes it different from other systems, etc. I hope to make the article as big (huge?) as it only possible. 8) It should be bigger than the one in #15 at least. Seriously, any ideas on the article's content are appretiated. -- /Voland Vadim Belman E-mail: voland@plab.ku.dk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Dec 26 12: 5: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from po3.wam.umd.edu (po3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE5814CF4; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 12:05:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac8.wam.umd.edu (root@rac8.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.148]) by po3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19192; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 15:04:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from rac8.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac8.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13576; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 15:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by rac8.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13572; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 15:04:49 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: rac8.wam.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 15:04:49 -0500 (EST) From: James Howard To: Vadim Belman Cc: Greg Lehey , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Byte/Russia In-Reply-To: <85zouxjzoe.fsf@eagle.plab.ku.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 26 Dec 1999, Vadim Belman wrote: > Seriously, any ideas on the article's content are appretiated. It would be wonderful to see an article discussing the hard-core technical advantages. A good description of the VM system, the FS, the IP stack, and why they are better than the competators. Real data should be used too, there is little more than heresay on these matters and it makes it difficult to prove something to someone. Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Dec 26 18:13: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 37DCD14FBB for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 18:12:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (qmail 25115 invoked from network); 27 Dec 1999 02:12:40 -0000 Received: from usercb76.uk.uudial.com (HELO marder-1.) 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(8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01557; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 02:12:31 GMT (envelope-from mark) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 02:12:30 +0000 From: Mark Ovens To: advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-users@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org Subject: We're No.2 [Was: We're No. 1 :)] Message-ID: <19991227021230.A1290@marder-1> References: <19991218030314.C323@marder-1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <19991218030314.C323@marder-1> Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 03:03:14AM +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: > Maybe I've missed a post here but it seems we're No.1 in the OS > ratings :) (of course *we* all knew that, it's just that everyone > else didn't) > > http://www.deja.com/rate/list_items.xp?CID=11997 > Ahem, we appear to have slipped to 2nd place - *behind* *NT* :( Mind you, it's not all bad - Linux is *last* > -- > "there's a long-standing bug relating to the x86 architecture > that allows you to install Windows too ;" > -Matthew D. Fuller > ________________________________________________________________ > FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org > My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ > mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- "there's a long-standing bug relating to the x86 architecture that allows you to install Windows too" -Matthew D. Fuller ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Dec 26 18:43:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4668114DDC for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 18:43:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tim@futuresouth.com) Received: (from tim@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08780; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 20:42:13 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 20:42:13 -0600 From: Tim Tsai To: Mark Ovens Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-users@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org Subject: Re: We're No.2 [Was: We're No. 1 :)] Message-ID: <19991226204213.A8548@futuresouth.com> References: <19991218030314.C323@marder-1> <19991227021230.A1290@marder-1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <19991227021230.A1290@marder-1> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > http://www.deja.com/rate/list_items.xp?CID=11997 > > Ahem, we appear to have slipped to 2nd place - *behind* *NT* :( > > Mind you, it's not all bad - Linux is *last* Some script kiddies must've been bored. Just about all the NT comments were negative. All the comments on BSD I read were FreeBSD though. Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Dec 26 18:59: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D48D14CFE for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 18:59:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA45500; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 20:57:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 20:57:41 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: Mark Ovens Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-users@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org Subject: Re: We're No.2 [Was: We're No. 1 :)] In-Reply-To: <19991227021230.A1290@marder-1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 27 Dec 1999, Mark Ovens wrote: > On Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 03:03:14AM +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: > > Maybe I've missed a post here but it seems we're No.1 in the OS > > ratings :) (of course *we* all knew that, it's just that everyone > > else didn't) > > > > http://www.deja.com/rate/list_items.xp?CID=11997 > > > > Ahem, we appear to have slipped to 2nd place - *behind* *NT* :( > > Mind you, it's not all bad - Linux is *last* I just took a look at that, after having already seen it as it was BEFORE the tables were turned. Doesn't it seem rather fishy that so many people voted both bad for Linux and good for NT to tip the scales in opposite directions, but not for any of the other operating systems as well? The short reviews by the voters still tell the real picture -- glowing reviews for Linux, and NT gets flushed down the toilet. The fact that almost all of these new scale-tipping votes don't have any written reviews attached to them leads me to believe that they weren't put there by real voters at all. Someone stuffed the ballot box, and I'm willing to bet some money on who it was. :-) -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For Intel x86 and Alpha architectures (SPARC under development). ( http://www.freebsd.org ) Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? [ OK ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Dec 26 21:43:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 986A814D62 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 21:43:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matysiak@excite.com) Received: from chilly.excite.com ([199.172.153.77]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with SMTP id <19991227053518.VFYU4017.gigi.excite.com@chilly.excite.com> for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 21:35:18 -0800 Message-ID: <32346299.946272918919.JavaMail.imail@chilly.excite.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 21:35:18 -0800 (PST) From: matysiak@excite.com Reply-To: To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD presence in Israel? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 62.0.168.106 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Are there any (Free)BSD-related groups in Israel? The mailing list mentioned on the Web site is no longer valid (or at least rejects subscription messages). If there is anyone from Israel on this mailing list, please give us a sign. Dariusz _______________________________________________________ Visit Excite Shopping at http://shopping.excite.com The fastest way to find your Holiday gift this season To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Dec 26 23:55:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from cs.Technion.AC.IL (csa.cs.technion.ac.il [132.68.32.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E921522B for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 23:55:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nadav@cs.technion.ac.il) Received: from csd.cs.technion.ac.il (csd.cs.technion.ac.il [132.68.32.8]) by cs.Technion.AC.IL (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA29302; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:58:06 +0200 (IST) Received: from localhost (nadav@localhost) by csd.cs.technion.ac.il (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA27173; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:58:04 +0200 (IST) X-Authentication-Warning: csd.cs.technion.ac.il: nadav owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:58:03 +0200 (IST) From: Nadav Eiron X-Sender: nadav@csd Reply-To: Nadav Eiron To: matysiak@excite.com Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD presence in Israel? In-Reply-To: <32346299.946272918919.JavaMail.imail@chilly.excite.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 26 Dec 1999 matysiak@excite.com wrote: > Are there any (Free)BSD-related groups in Israel? The mailing list > mentioned on the Web site is no longer valid (or at least rejects > subscription messages). > > If there is anyone from Israel on this mailing list, please give us a sign. > > Dariusz > > _______________________________________________________ > Visit Excite Shopping at http://shopping.excite.com > The fastest way to find your Holiday gift this season > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > Well, I can only speak for myself, but FreeBSD here is not is too good a shape. The mailing list was practicaly silent, except for spam, for a pretty long time, so I guess whoever was responsible for it had shut it down. I myself am happy with FreeBSD, and also use it for a public service that's not unknown in the right circles (http://libagent.cs.technion.ac.il.), but Linux rules high here at the Technion, at least among the students. As for the department's official policies, I tried to introduce FreeBSD formally here, but didn't have much luck. They're pretty much stuck with what they have, and the only new thing they're ready to hear about is Linux or NT. Nadav To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Dec 27 0: 2:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from plab.ku.dk (plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F0014CE5; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:02:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from voland@plab.ku.dk) Received: from eagle.plab.ku.dk (voland@eagle.plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.63]) by plab.ku.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02874; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:04:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from voland@plab.ku.dk) Received: (from voland@localhost) by eagle.plab.ku.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20250; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:02:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from voland) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Comment-To: James Howard To: James Howard Cc: Greg Lehey , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Byte/Russia References: From: Vadim Belman In-Reply-To: James Howard's message of "Sun, 26 Dec 1999 15:04:49 -0500 (EST)" Date: 27 Dec 1999 09:02:30 +0100 Message-ID: <85aemwizft.fsf@eagle.plab.ku.dk> Lines: 33 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi James! On 26 Dec 99 at 21:04, "James" (James Howard) wrote: James> On 26 Dec 1999, Vadim Belman wrote: >> Seriously, any ideas on the article's content are appretiated. James> It would be wonderful to see an article discussing the hard-core James> technical advantages. A good description of the VM system, the FS, I would describe it if have a really good documentation. For the moment I have little to say about it. James> the IP stack, and why they are better than the competators. Real So, why then? I know they are better. And so you do. But neither benchmarks nor good explanations can be found on the Web. We have well known facts only about wcarchive, yahoo, etc., which runs FreeBSD as their main OS. The most impressive info on this topic is an article in the Science Daily online magazine where they talk about exceeding 1 Gbit threshold on a real task using FreeBSD TCP/IP stack without need to modify it. James> data should be used too, there is little more than heresay on these James> matters and it makes it difficult to prove something to someone. At the moment I'm mostly focusing on userland, developing model, administrative issues and stuff like this. -- /Voland Vadim Belman E-mail: voland@plab.ku.dk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Dec 27 0: 4:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from plab.ku.dk (plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1856814F96 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:04:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from voland@plab.ku.dk) Received: from eagle.plab.ku.dk (voland@eagle.plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.63]) by plab.ku.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02888; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:06:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from voland@plab.ku.dk) Received: (from voland@localhost) by eagle.plab.ku.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20254; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:04:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from voland) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Comment-To: Mark Ovens To: Mark Ovens Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-users@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org Subject: Re: We're No.2 [Was: We're No. 1 :)] References: <19991218030314.C323@marder-1> <19991227021230.A1290@marder-1> From: Vadim Belman In-Reply-To: Mark Ovens's message of "Mon, 27 Dec 1999 02:12:30 +0000" Date: 27 Dec 1999 09:04:33 +0100 Message-ID: <8566xkizce.fsf@eagle.plab.ku.dk> Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Mark! On 27 Dec 99 at 03:12, "Mark" (Mark Ovens) wrote: >> http://www.deja.com/rate/list_items.xp?CID=11997 Mark> Ahem, we appear to have slipped to 2nd place - *behind* *NT* :( Mark> Mind you, it's not all bad - Linux is *last* Are you taking this crap seriously? This voting has nothing to do with a real rating. -- /Voland Vadim Belman E-mail: voland@plab.ku.dk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Dec 27 2: 1:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from plab.ku.dk (plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C6C3151DB for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 02:01:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from voland@plab.ku.dk) Received: from eagle.plab.ku.dk (voland@eagle.plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.63]) by plab.ku.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03488 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:02:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from voland@plab.ku.dk) Received: (from voland@localhost) by eagle.plab.ku.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24919; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:01:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from voland) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: "A Second Look at the Cathedral and the Bazaar" by Bezroukov From: Vadim Belman Date: 27 Dec 1999 11:01:18 +0100 Message-ID: <85so0ohfdd.fsf@eagle.plab.ku.dk> Lines: 7 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Worth of reading in any case. I put the URL here because of some references to FreeBSD in the article. http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue4_12/bezroukov/index.html -- /Voland Vadim Belman E-mail: voland@plab.ku.dk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Dec 27 2:16:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from kuzhmaker.tec2000.org.il (f194.ifirewall.israsrv.net.il [192.117.193.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 185A914FA9 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 02:16:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aeg@iname.com) Received: from lair ([192.168.1.2]) by kuzhmaker.tec2000.org.il (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA17486 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:18:49 +0200 (IST) (envelope-from aeg@iname.com) From: "Alexandr Gribenko" To: Subject: RE: FreeBSD presence in Israel? Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:28:03 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok let's add some more information on the topic. You are right Linux is *very* popular here, but it is in generous a great fact. You have to confirm that less FreeBSD in lammer hand, more stability and security threads for us ;o). IMHO as Linux is going to be a second windows98 (Quake3 for Linux or try Suse Linux with KDE (win98 interface compat ;o) - yaks!!!!!!! *BSD systems will took over server markert. (It is logical they have an *attitude* ;o) I, personally, use FreeBSD for a three years now here in Israel and try to push it as much as possible. 1)We used FreeBSD as a base system for an ISP company (2.2.1Release) named LuckyNET back in 1995-1998 right now the servers are sitting in Israserv's colocation. 2)We've built ISP in Ukraine named ukrnet (www.ukr.net) (think about Netvisions size) on Compaq servers running FreeBSD 2.2.7 (at building time) 3)I personally am running the school (AMAL K Haim) on the FreeBSD3.3 (yes I am downloading ISO of 3.4 right now ;o) with about 100 windowz worstations for firewalling, NATD, filtering, proxy, WWW, domains, and ofcourse Samba as an NTserver ;o) and DOS access for ghosting actually AGAINST the system (which is amalnet.k12 NT and once more NT) - you just have to know how to speak with da boss (money is the key) 4)Right now I with the help of my friends for a three months are moving FreeBSD and (preferrably) OpenBSD to be the shape of a server small and robust for a school classroom in the next year (Yes I am speaking about ministry of education here and we've got high enough for now) 5)We'are pushing filtering sollution for a school classroom named filternet (filternet.co.il when I will open it), which is (tshhh not talking to everyone right now) - OpenBSD based. right now installed in about 20 schools of hifa area.... So there are things to do and maybe the situation will change. what I can add, guys, WHERE ARE YOU???. We have to do something.... I personally would like to kill some Netvision for what they've done with BSD FTP mirror :o( Maybe create new freebsd list or what???? Gimme ideas!!!!! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Dec 27 7:29:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.thuntek.net (mail2.thuntek.net [206.206.98.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F374B14D1A for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 07:29:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-048.thuntek.net [207.66.52.48]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11689; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:29:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Message-ID: <3867868A.73051231@thuntek.net> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:32:26 -0700 From: Donald Wilde Reply-To: dwilde1@thuntek.net Organization: Wilde Media X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RC i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vadim Belman Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "A Second Look at the Cathedral and the Bazaar" by Bezroukov References: <85so0ohfdd.fsf@eagle.plab.ku.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Vadim Belman wrote: > > Worth of reading in any case. I put the URL here because of some > references to FreeBSD in the article. > > http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue4_12/bezroukov/index.html > -- > /Voland Vadim Belman > E-mail: voland@plab.ku.dk > Definitely worth including in your "food for thought" file. Reading this with FreeBSD in mind -- especially the complaints heard occasionally about Jordan's power and the difficulty of becoming a committer -- reinforces my opinion that FreeBSD is on a solid foundation and will not be blown away by the Linux juggernaut. Three cheers for Jordan and the Core Team! -- Donald Wilde "Linking Minds and Micros" ================= S i l v e r L y n x =================== PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Wilde-Media.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Dec 27 8:20:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.thuntek.net (mail2.thuntek.net [206.206.98.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1542C14E3C for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:20:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-048.thuntek.net [207.66.52.48]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12246; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:40:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Message-ID: <38678927.D3DA772F@thuntek.net> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:43:35 -0700 From: Donald Wilde Reply-To: dwilde1@thuntek.net Organization: Wilde Media X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RC i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Ovens Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-users@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org Subject: Re: We're No.2 [Was: We're No. 1 :)] References: <19991218030314.C323@marder-1> <19991227021230.A1290@marder-1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mark Ovens wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 03:03:14AM +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: > > Maybe I've missed a post here but it seems we're No.1 in the OS > > ratings :) (of course *we* all knew that, it's just that everyone > > else didn't) > > > > http://www.deja.com/rate/list_items.xp?CID=11997 > > > > Ahem, we appear to have slipped to 2nd place - *behind* *NT* :( > > Mind you, it's not all bad - Linux is *last* Due to the dramatic increase in NT posts, I'd suspect that somebody's automatically stuffing the ballot box... Note that BSD has almost as many posters as NT, guess MS didn't think it worthwhile to include trashing us in their automated stuffer. -- Donald Wilde "Linking Minds and Micros" ================= S i l v e r L y n x =================== PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Wilde-Media.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Dec 27 8:53:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0500A14D94 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:53:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (qmail 24016 invoked from network); 27 Dec 1999 16:53:44 -0000 Received: from useraq90.uk.uudial.com (HELO marder-1.) 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(8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA86752; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:53:58 GMT (envelope-from mark) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:53:58 +0000 From: Mark Ovens To: Donald Wilde Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-users@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org Subject: Re: We're No.2 [Was: We're No. 1 :)] Message-ID: <19991227165358.G1290@marder-1> References: <19991218030314.C323@marder-1> <19991227021230.A1290@marder-1> <38678927.D3DA772F@thuntek.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <38678927.D3DA772F@thuntek.net> Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Dec 27, 1999 at 08:43:35AM -0700, Donald Wilde wrote: > Mark Ovens wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 03:03:14AM +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: > > > Maybe I've missed a post here but it seems we're No.1 in the OS > > > ratings :) (of course *we* all knew that, it's just that everyone > > > else didn't) > > > > > > http://www.deja.com/rate/list_items.xp?CID=11997 > > > > > > > Ahem, we appear to have slipped to 2nd place - *behind* *NT* :( > > > > Mind you, it's not all bad - Linux is *last* > > Due to the dramatic increase in NT posts, I'd suspect that somebody's > automatically stuffing the ballot box... Note that BSD has almost as > many posters as NT, Doh!, it was meant to be a tongue-in-cheek comment but everyone seems to have taken me too seriously. I realized that something was amiss for Linux to move from top to bottom and NT to move from bottom to top. Maybe I should have used ``:^)'' instead of ``:(''. > guess MS didn't think it worthwhile to include > trashing us in their automated stuffer. Well, they have to be careful, after all FreeBSD runs hotmail :) > -- > Donald Wilde "Linking Minds and Micros" > ================= S i l v e r L y n x =================== > PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 > Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Wilde-Media.com -- "there's a long-standing bug relating to the x86 architecture that allows you to install Windows too" -Matthew D. Fuller ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Dec 27 9:26:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.thuntek.net (mail2.thuntek.net [206.206.98.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E17A614CF1 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:26:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-052.thuntek.net [207.66.52.52]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18786; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 10:25:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Message-ID: <3867A1D5.2741CE7E@thuntek.net> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 10:28:53 -0700 From: Donald Wilde Reply-To: dwilde1@thuntek.net Organization: Wilde Media X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RC i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Ovens Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-users@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org Subject: Re: We're No.2 [Was: We're No. 1 :)] References: <19991218030314.C323@marder-1> <19991227021230.A1290@marder-1> <38678927.D3DA772F@thuntek.net> <19991227165358.G1290@marder-1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mark Ovens wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 27, 1999 at 08:43:35AM -0700, Donald Wilde wrote: [snip] > > Due to the dramatic increase in NT posts, I'd suspect that somebody's > > automatically stuffing the ballot box... Note that BSD has almost as > > many posters as NT, > > Doh!, it was meant to be a tongue-in-cheek comment but everyone seems > to have taken me too seriously. I realized that something was amiss > for Linux to move from top to bottom and NT to move from bottom to > top. Mark, we all know how you meant it. We're all just pissed at microshit for their dirty tricks. If ever there was an evil empire to compare with the oil monopolies and the railroad barons of the 1900's, this is it. The Soviet Union was baby babble when compared to MS! [scary thought: are there any nukes near Redmond? Maybe that's why Hanford reactor's been leaking recently... they've converted to WinCE!!! =8-O] > > Maybe I should have used ``:^)'' instead of ``:(''. > > > guess MS didn't think it worthwhile to include > > trashing us in their automated stuffer. > > Well, they have to be careful, after all FreeBSD runs hotmail :) :-))) > -- Donald Wilde "Linking Minds and Micros" ================= S i l v e r L y n x =================== PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Wilde-Media.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Dec 27 11:27:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mailgw1.netvision.net.il (mailgw1.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DEB215155 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:27:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ak@freenet.co.uk) Received: from freenet.co.uk (RAS1-p58.rlz.netvision.net.il [62.0.168.60]) by mailgw1.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22665; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 21:23:32 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <3867BCF7.82EC9E6B@freenet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:24:39 +0000 From: Alex X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dwilde1@thuntek.net Cc: Mark Ovens , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-users@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org Subject: Re: We're No.2 [Was: We're No. 1 :)] References: <19991218030314.C323@marder-1> <19991227021230.A1290@marder-1> <38678927.D3DA772F@thuntek.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Donald Wilde wrote: > > Mark Ovens wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 03:03:14AM +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: > > > Maybe I've missed a post here but it seems we're No.1 in the OS > > > ratings :) (of course *we* all knew that, it's just that everyone > > > else didn't) > > > > > > http://www.deja.com/rate/list_items.xp?CID=11997 > > > > > > > Ahem, we appear to have slipped to 2nd place - *behind* *NT* :( > > > > Mind you, it's not all bad - Linux is *last* > > Due to the dramatic increase in NT posts, I'd suspect that somebody's > automatically stuffing the ballot box... Note that BSD has almost as > many posters as NT, guess MS didn't think it worthwhile to include > trashing us in their automated stuffer. Come on, guys, Microsoft are bad alright, but it's silly even to think that they would do stuff like that. It just isn't worth the risk for them - why would they care about some ballot box? The ratings are a true reflection of reality - let's face it, most servers are either BSD or NT or Solaris/AIX/HP-UX/whatever. Linux is a johnny-come-lately, hence the rating. It just shows that more NT admins knew about the site and voted for NT. If you're a BSD admin, you can go there and vote too (I did). Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Dec 27 12:23:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 632A514D24 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:23:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ak@freenet.co.uk) Received: from freenet.co.uk (RAS4-p16.rlz.netvision.net.il [62.0.169.140]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA11922; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:23:16 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <3867CAF8.809BCCA6@freenet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 20:24:24 +0000 From: Alex X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nadav Eiron Cc: matysiak@excite.com, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Alexandr Gribenko Subject: Re: FreeBSD presence in Israel? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nadav Eiron wrote: > > On Sun, 26 Dec 1999 matysiak@excite.com wrote: > > > Are there any (Free)BSD-related groups in Israel? The mailing list > > mentioned on the Web site is no longer valid (or at least rejects > > subscription messages). > > > > If there is anyone from Israel on this mailing list, please give us a sign. > > > > Dariusz > > Well, I can only speak for myself, but FreeBSD here is not is too good a > shape. The mailing list was practicaly silent, except for spam, for a > pretty long time, so I guess whoever was responsible for it had shut it > down. I myself am happy with FreeBSD, and also use it for a public service > that's not unknown in the right circles > (http://libagent.cs.technion.ac.il.), but Linux rules high here at the > Technion, at least among the students. As for the department's official > policies, I tried to introduce FreeBSD formally here, but didn't have much > luck. They're pretty much stuck with what they have, and the only new > thing they're ready to hear about is Linux or NT. Well if people use Linux, it's probably not as bad as it sounds. Does it have anything to do with the lack of support for Hebrew characters in FreeBSD? Last time I looked, Linux had some sort of a Hebrew-HOWTO. A bit of press coverage wouldn't hurt either - a lot of people use Linux because they know very little about the alternatives. Can you think of any web sites in Israel that might be willing to publish an article on FreeBSD? If not, the Universities would be a good place to start. You're at the Technion, but what is the situation like at BGU, the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Bar-Ilan, the Weizmann Institute? Israel has an ample pool of technical talent, and it would be a shame to see them yield to Microsoft. Alex P.S. I'm in the UK right now but will be in Tel-Aviv next month. Perhaps we could get together and think of something? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Dec 28 0:18:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from cs.Technion.AC.IL (csa.cs.technion.ac.il [132.68.32.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9AE4153BB for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 00:18:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nadav@cs.technion.ac.il) Received: from csd.cs.technion.ac.il (csd.cs.technion.ac.il [132.68.32.8]) by cs.Technion.AC.IL (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA02133; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:11:09 +0200 (IST) Received: from localhost (nadav@localhost) by csd.cs.technion.ac.il (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA16045; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:11:06 +0200 (IST) X-Authentication-Warning: csd.cs.technion.ac.il: nadav owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:11:06 +0200 (IST) From: Nadav Eiron X-Sender: nadav@csd Reply-To: Nadav Eiron To: Alex Cc: matysiak@excite.com, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Alexandr Gribenko Subject: Re: FreeBSD presence in Israel? In-Reply-To: <3867CAF8.809BCCA6@freenet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 27 Dec 1999, Alex wrote: > Nadav Eiron wrote: > > > > Well, I can only speak for myself, but FreeBSD here is not is too good a > > shape. The mailing list was practicaly silent, except for spam, for a > >pretty long time, so I guess whoever was responsible for it had shut it > > down. I myself am happy with FreeBSD, and also use it for a public service > > that's not unknown in the right circles > > (http://libagent.cs.technion.ac.il.), but Linux rules highhere at the > > Technion, at least among the students. As for the department's official > > policies, I tried to introduce FreeBSD formally here, but didn't have much > > luck. They're pretty much stuck with what they have, and the only new > > thing they'reready to hear about is Linux or NT. > > > Well if people use Linux, it's probably not as bad as it sounds. Does > it have anything to do with the lack of support for Hebrew characters in > FreeBSD? Last time I looked, Linux had some sort of a Hebrew-HOWTO. Not sure. On my never shrinking to-do list I have items such as package up the Hebrew LaTeX support packages in a FreeBSD port, and also try and configure Mule with RtL support (did anyone else try that)? There's also the Hebrew pine from HUJI I thought of making a port of. The only problem is time. > > A bit of press coverage wouldn't hurt either - a lot of people use Linux > because they know very little about the alternatives. Can you think of > any web sites in Israel that might be willing to publish an article on > FreeBSD? If not, the Universities would be a good place to start. > You're at the Technion, but what is the situation like at BGU, the > Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Bar-Ilan, the Weizmann Institute? Well, again, I can only speak for myself, but: Israelis (especially students) seem to be very heavily influenced by hype. Even for faculty here, Linux hype seems to have a large impact, even when all indications are that Linux is _wrong_ for the job (look no further than MOSIX at HUJI for an example). The Open University has at least one sysadmin who is FreeBSD friendly (ftp.openu.ac.il is a FreeBSD machine, and its manager used to hang around on bsd-il in the short time this list was actually viable). Weizmann used to have a FreeBSD mirror, but I never had any personal contacts there. The student union here at the Technion pushes Linux hard. The student union here runs differently than in other universities, and is amazingly efficient at what they do. They have a network of Linux machines at the dorms, run by volunteers, and they have installathons at the beginning of every term. They also advertise this _very_ heavily on bulletin boards through the campus (these belong to the student union). On the other hand, the computer science department takes no formal stand in the matter. While using Linux in some projects, there is no single platform students are supposed to have running at home. For instance, in the course I'm teaching (Introduction to System Programming) all home assignments must be submitted on a SPARC/Solaris machine, and students must use gcc to compile their programs. Basic courses uses Borland C++ on PCs, others use HP/UX, etc. > > Israel has an ample pool of technical talent, and it would be a shame to > see them yield to Microsoft. They're now busy yielding to the Penguin :-) It is amazing how strong the herd phenomenon is here. > > Alex > > P.S. I'm in the UK right now but will be in Tel-Aviv next month. > Perhaps we could get together and think of something? > Sure. Drop a note when you're here/have any operational ideas. Nadav To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Dec 31 10:54: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.aye.net (phoenix.aye.net [198.7.192.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5379B15327 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 10:54:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barrett@aye.net) Received: (qmail 5619 invoked by uid 1000); 31 Dec 1999 18:53:43 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 31 Dec 1999 18:53:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 13:53:43 -0500 (EST) From: Barrett Richardson To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: uptimes, Woo Hoo Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Couldn't resist taking a picture of my uptimes (in case they fall victim to a power outage). The Webserver and Shell Server are lower than the others because of Stupid Admin Tricks. Mailserver 1:32PM up 324 days, 12:23, 8 users, load averages: 0.15, 0.29, 0.29 Webserver 1:30PM up 131 days, 2:50, 8 users, load averages: 0.18, 0.10, 0.03 Shell Server 1:31PM up 126 days, 12:11, 1 user, load averages: 0.38, 0.22, 0.10 Radius Server 1:32PM up 290 days, 30 mins, 4 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Primary DNS 1:33PM up 387 days, 9:44, 4 users, load averages: 0.07, 0.07, 0.01 Secondary DNS 1:34PM up 273 days, 1:10, 3 users, load averages: 0.01, 0.01, 0.00 - Barrett Richardson (my name) barrett@aye.net (my email address) main(){} (my program) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Dec 31 16:30:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A23914F08; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 16:30:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@oldserver.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.105.241] (helo=propro) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 124CR1-0005Gz-00; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 00:30:20 +0000 Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 01:30:19 +0100 (CET) From: Marc Schneiders To: Barrett Richardson Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: uptimes, Woo Hoo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 31 Dec 1999, Barrett Richardson wrote: > > Couldn't resist taking a picture of my uptimes (in case they fall > victim to a power outage). The Webserver and Shell Server are lower > than the others because of Stupid Admin Tricks. > > > > Mailserver > 1:32PM up 324 days, 12:23, 8 users, load averages: 0.15, 0.29, 0.29 > > Webserver > 1:30PM up 131 days, 2:50, 8 users, load averages: 0.18, 0.10, 0.03 > > Shell Server > 1:31PM up 126 days, 12:11, 1 user, load averages: 0.38, 0.22, 0.10 > > Radius Server > 1:32PM up 290 days, 30 mins, 4 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > > Primary DNS > 1:33PM up 387 days, 9:44, 4 users, load averages: 0.07, 0.07, 0.01 > > Secondary DNS > 1:34PM up 273 days, 1:10, 3 users, load averages: 0.01, 0.01, 0.00 > Just curious, what releases/versions are these running? I can't resist the urge to upgrade long enough to ever come near this. -- Marc Schneiders marc@venster.nl marc@oldserver.demon.nl propro 1:28am up 1 day, 3:17, load average: 1.18 1.16 1.16 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Dec 31 21:16:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.aye.net (phoenix.aye.net [198.7.192.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE40A14F5D for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 21:16:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barrett@aye.net) Received: (qmail 7957 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Jan 2000 05:15:50 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jan 2000 05:15:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 00:15:50 -0500 (EST) From: Barrett Richardson To: Marc Schneiders Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: uptimes, Woo Hoo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 1 Jan 2000, Marc Schneiders wrote: > > Just curious, what releases/versions are these running? I can't resist > the urge to upgrade long enough to ever come near this. > Webserver and Shell server 3.0, DNS, mail, and radius 2.2.7 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message