From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 00:39:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA23723 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 00:39:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA23718 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 00:39:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id AAA20087; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 00:39:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 00:39:28 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199902070839.AAA20087@apollo.backplane.com> To: "John S. Dyson" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Significant page coloring improvement References: <199902070615.BAA00269@y.dyson.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ah, interesting. I understand the second bit. The first bit seems somewhat odd, though - the automatic page coloring adjustment made by _vm_object_allocate() doesn't work well enough for kmem_object? -Matt Matthew Dillon :When reviewing the VM code regarding another issue (another significant :VM contributor had found an interesting anomoly), I noticed that the :coloring wasn't as complete as it should be. : :Attached is a patch that appears to make a reasonable improvement in :performance, when using both my slightly more advanced VM kernel, and :also the stuff in -current. I seem to see a fork() only performance :improvement of about 10% on a 2 processor SMP PPro, using lmbench. On :vfork (which isn't completely implemented on a PPro, but is still faster :than fork), the improvement appears to be about 5%. : :Of course, any page coloring improvement is dependent on alot of factors, :but the missing object coloring handling is a problem... : :-- :John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, :dyson@iquest.net | it makes one look stupid :jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. : :... :Index: vm/vm_object.c :=================================================================== :RCS file: /local/home/ncvs/src/sys/vm/vm_object.c,v :retrieving revision 1.144 :diff -r1.144 vm_object.c :215a216 :> kmem_object->pg_color = (kernel_object->pg_color + PQ_L2_SIZE/4) & PQ_L2_MASK; :945a947 :> result->pg_color = (source->pg_color + OFF_TO_IDX(*offset)) & PQ_L2_MASK; : :--ELM918368107-256-0_-- : :To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org :with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 01:01:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA26114 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 01:01:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iquest3.iquest.net (iquest3.iquest.net [209.43.20.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA26102 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 01:01:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@y.dyson.net) Received: (qmail 3703 invoked from network); 7 Feb 1999 09:01:22 -0000 Received: from dyson.iquest.net (HELO y.dyson.net) (198.70.144.127) by iquest3.iquest.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 1999 09:01:22 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by y.dyson.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA26213; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 04:01:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902070901.EAA26213@y.dyson.net> Subject: Re: Significant page coloring improvement In-Reply-To: <199902070839.AAA20087@apollo.backplane.com> from Matthew Dillon at "Feb 7, 99 00:39:28 am" To: dillon@apollo.backplane.com (Matthew Dillon) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 04:01:21 -0500 (EST) Cc: dyson@iquest.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@iquest.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Dillon said: > > Ah, interesting. I understand the second bit. The first bit seems > somewhat odd, though - the automatic page coloring adjustment made > by _vm_object_allocate() doesn't work well enough for kmem_object? > The problem with it was that there appeared to be a clash. The color allocation in _vm_object_allocate is ad-hoc, and tuned for a general case, essentially randomizing the coloring (but also statistically coloring processes approximately correctly.) My original code (and I forget if the current code does this) attempts to color the objects (or pages in the objects) so that there isn't much overlap in normal processes. There is still an opportunity to improve the color allocations. I also have some mods that remove the L1 coloring (since it is overkill, and just complicates the code.) L2 coloring (or L3 as appropriate on machines like Alphas) is all that is needed!!! I did the L1 coloring for an exercise, and forgot reality when I committed the code :-). (Okay, that isn't quite true, I did think that L1 coloring would have been useful -- but after alot of thought and paper research, have decided that L1 page coloring for a small L1 cache is kind-of useless.) If you want to see the L1 mods and perhaps remove the L1 coloring, you are welcome and it would be a good thing to remove it. The L1 mods are pretty much straight-forward, and might be a compromise between removing the coloring all together and keeping all of the complexity. I do suggest that the base color allocation (and proper management of the coloring) would be a good day or so project to clean-up. Again, right now, the coloring looks okay, and the kernel page coloring choices were just a degenerate case. The low level coloring code is good -- so improving the upper level mgmt is fertile ground. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@iquest.net | it makes one look stupid jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 01:26:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA29074 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 01:26:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA29069 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 01:26:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id BAA20420; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 01:26:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 01:26:25 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199902070926.BAA20420@apollo.backplane.com> To: "John S. Dyson" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Significant page coloring improvement References: <199902070901.EAA26213@y.dyson.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Matthew Dillon said: :> :> Ah, interesting. I understand the second bit. The first bit seems :> somewhat odd, though - the automatic page coloring adjustment made :> by _vm_object_allocate() doesn't work well enough for kmem_object? :> : :The problem with it was that there appeared to be a clash. The color :allocation in _vm_object_allocate is ad-hoc, and tuned for a general :case, essentially randomizing the coloring (but also statistically :coloring processes approximately correctly.) My original code (and :I forget if the current code does this) attempts to color the objects :(or pages in the objects) so that there isn't much overlap in normal :processes. The standard increment in _vm_object_allocate() is: if ( size > (PQ_L2_SIZE / 3 + PQ_PRIME1)) incr = PQ_L2_SIZE / 3 + PQ_PRIME1; else incr = size; next_index = (next_index + incr) & PQ_L2_MASK; Which, for the kmem_object you are overriding with: kmem_object->pg_color = (kernel_object->pg_color + PQ_L2_SIZE/4) & PQ_L2_MASK; Would it make more sense to change vm_object_allocate() to simply increment by PQ_L2_SIZE/4 plus an additional 1 if it rolls over and then not do anything special for kmem_object? Like this: next_index += PQ_L2_SIZE/4; if (next_index > PQ_L2_MASK) next_index = (next_index + 1) & PQ_L2_MASK; I don't see much point in trying to include the object size in the pg_color optimization since an objects tends to be acted upon in a non-contiguous manner relative to other objects. In fact, dividing PQ_L2_SIZE by 3 and adding 5 ( for PQ_NORMALCACHE case ) doesn't even give us a pseudo-random distribution since that increment is '10', which is an even number. :If you want to see the L1 mods and perhaps remove the L1 coloring, you are :welcome and it would be a good thing to remove it. The L1 mods are pretty :much straight-forward, and might be a compromise between removing the coloring :all together and keeping all of the complexity. If the L1 coloring doesn't help, I'd love to remove it. It wouldn't be a big deal, though, since presumably the only two routines we are talking about are vm_page_select_free() and vm_page_list_find(). Still, there are a bunch of #if 0's ( surrounding the now defunct object->page_hint stuff ) in vm_page.c that I could clean up at the same time, so lay those diffs on me! :I do suggest that the base color allocation (and proper management of the :coloring) would be a good day or so project to clean-up. Again, right :now, the coloring looks okay, and the kernel page coloring choices were just :a degenerate case. The low level coloring code is good -- so improving :the upper level mgmt is fertile ground. : :dyson@iquest.net | it makes one look stupid -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 02:22:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA04641 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 02:22:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA04633 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 02:22:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id CAA20800; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 02:22:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 02:22:51 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199902071022.CAA20800@apollo.backplane.com> To: "John S. Dyson" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Significant page coloring improvement References: <199902070901.EAA26213@y.dyson.net> <199902070926.BAA20420@apollo.backplane.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : next_index += PQ_L2_SIZE/4; : if (next_index > PQ_L2_MASK) : next_index = (next_index + 1) & PQ_L2_MASK; Oops, make that: next_index += PQ_L2_SIZE/4; if (next_index > PQ_L2_MASK) next_index = (next_index + PQ_PRIME1) & PQ_L2_MASK; Or even just: next_index = (next_index + PQ_PRIME1) & PQ_L2_MASK; Both seem to work pretty well w/ lmbench, though nothing really sticks its nose out. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 02:33:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA05623 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 02:33:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA05616 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 02:33:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.57.35]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA1D04; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 11:33:29 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <36BD442E.3140A32F@tci.com> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 11:42:20 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Chris Tubutis Subject: Re: Netscape, again Cc: FreeBSD Current Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 07-Feb-99 Chris Tubutis wrote: > Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: >> whenever I click a mailto: HREF it inadvertly dumps core. > Does it truly dump core, or does it merely go away? No, it really dumps core. --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven join #FreeBSD on Undernet asmodai(at)wxs.nl Time is merely a residue of Reality... Network/Security Specialist *BSD: Powered by Knowledge & Know-how To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 02:41:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA06416 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 02:41:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from helios.dnttm.ru (dnttm-gw.rssi.ru [193.232.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA06411 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 02:41:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by helios.dnttm.ru (8.9.1/8.9.1/IP-3) with UUCP id NAA01330; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:22:30 +0300 Received: from tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA00976; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:19:22 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Message-Id: <199902071019.NAA00976@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Brian Feldman cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: msdosfs is dead, Jim. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Feb 1999 01:07:35 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 13:19:22 +0300 From: Dmitrij Tejblum Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brian Feldman wrote: > The basic problem is that msdosfs panic()s quite easily with a "zone > not free" error (INVARIANTS is /ON/ in the kernel), when I attempt to do a rw > mount of a FAT16. Don't you, by a chance, load msdosfs module dynamically? If so, the module must also be compiled with INVARIANTS.... Dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 02:50:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA07615 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 02:50:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA07517 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 02:49:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from bragg (bragg [129.127.36.34]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id VAA23440 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:19:57 +1030 (CST) Received: from localhost by bragg; (5.65/1.1.8.2/05Aug95-0227PM) id AA20109; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:19:56 +1030 Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:19:56 +1030 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway X-Sender: kkennawa@bragg To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: emacs directories in BSD.local.dist Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just curious as to why share/emacs and share/emacs/site-lisp are created by BSD.local.dist instead of by the emacs ports which might want to use them? It's not a big deal, but it seems to me that these aren't useful for the general case of someone not wanting to install an emacs port (strange as that may sound [1]). I suspect it's for historical reasons, but it doesnt mean it can't be removed if sufficient time is deemed to have passed. Kris [1] Please, no editor wars :-) --- BSD.local.dist Thu Dec 24 01:54:29 1998 +++ BSD.local.dist~ Sun Feb 7 21:18:23 1999 @@ -168,10 +168,6 @@ .. doc .. - emacs - site-lisp - .. - .. examples .. misc ----- (ASP) Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) announced today that the release of its productivity suite, Office 2000, will be delayed until the first quarter of 1901. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 02:57:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA08391 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 02:57:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from k6n1.znh.org ([207.109.235.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA08384 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 02:57:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zach@uffdaonline.net) Received: (from zach@localhost) by k6n1.znh.org (8.9.2/8.9.1) id LAA02800 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 11:00:11 GMT (envelope-from zach) Message-ID: <19990207050010.A2754@znh.org> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 05:00:10 -0600 From: Zach Heilig To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Crash seemingly related to VM or NFS... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In addition to the below, one [local] file that was open was severely corrupted [not on disk, it was open in 'vi' and the crash recovery file had very strange contents -- a few NULs and the standard output of a different command that I ran sometime before the crash]. On disk, files seem to be intact. The kernel/world is from early on Feb 2 (~6am GMT). [Perhaps this has been fixed since then, but I didn't see any updates that screamed: NFS update!, just a couple VM updates.] GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details. GDB 4.16 (i386-unknown-freebsd), Copyright 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc... IdlePTD 3125248 initial pcb at 27543c panicstr: vm_page_unwire: invalid wire count: 0 panic messages: --- panic: vm_page_unwire: invalid wire count: 0 syncing disks... 20 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 19 giving up 1: dev:00020400, flags:01020034, blkno:131280, lblkno:131280 2: dev:ffffffff, flags:30100210, blkno:1013244, lblkno:2 3: dev:00020407, flags:21000034, blkno:2032, lblkno:2032 4: dev:00020407, flags:21000034, blkno:16, lblkno:16 5: dev:00020407, flags:21020034, blkno:1048672, lblkno:1048672 6: dev:00020404, flags:21020034, blkno:65712, lblkno:65712 7: dev:00020407, flags:11000034, blkno:3016944, lblkno:0 8: dev:00020407, flags:21020034, blkno:3014720, lblkno:3014720 9: dev:00020400, flags:01020034, blkno:131264, lblkno:131264 10: dev:00020404, flags:21020034, blkno:131360, lblkno:131360 11: dev:00020407, flags:21020034, blkno:3014752, lblkno:3014752 12: dev:00020407, flags:23020034, blkno:3672208, lblkno:-12 13: dev:ffffffff, flags:20100014, blkno:7600, lblkno:475 14: dev:00020408, flags:21020034, blkno:2112, lblkno:0 15: dev:00020404, flags:21020034, blkno:65952, lblkno:65952 16: dev:00020404, flags:21020034, blkno:66096, lblkno:66096 17: dev:00020400, flags:01020034, blkno:131376, lblkno:131376 18: dev:00020407, flags:01000034, blkno:3016976, lblkno:1 19: dev:00020400, flags:01020034, blkno:131424, lblkno:131424 dumping to dev 20401, offset 131072 dump 128 127 126 125 124 123 122 121 120 119 118 117 116 115 114 113 112 111 110 109 108 107 106 105 104 103 102 101 100 99 98 97 96 95 94 93 92 91 90 89 88 87 86 85 84 83 82 81 80 79 78 77 76 75 74 73 72 71 70 69 68 67 66 65 64 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 --- #0 boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:287 287 dumppcb.pcb_cr3 = rcr3(); (kgdb) bt #0 boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:287 #1 0xf0148dfd in panic ( fmt=0xf024a783 "vm_page_unwire: invalid wire count: %d\n") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:448 #2 0xf01f0bf3 in vm_page_unwire (m=0xf050bcd0, activate=0) at ../../vm/vm_page.c:1492 #3 0xf0167786 in vfs_vmio_release (bp=0xf359ef30) at ../../kern/vfs_bio.c:828 #4 0xf0167ccf in getnewbuf (vp=0xf775b380, blkno=476, slpflag=256, slptimeo=0, size=8192, maxsize=8192) at ../../kern/vfs_bio.c:1106 #5 0xf0168538 in getblk (vp=0xf775b380, blkno=476, size=8192, slpflag=256, slptimeo=0) at ../../kern/vfs_bio.c:1539 #6 0xf01986d9 in nfs_getcacheblk (vp=0xf775b380, bn=476, size=8192, p=0xf7289ba0) at ../../nfs/nfs_bio.c:906 #7 0xf01973df in nfs_bioread (vp=0xf775b380, uio=0xf728ff30, ioflag=8323072, cred=0xf0cf0080, getpages=0) at ../../nfs/nfs_bio.c:416 #8 0xf01bc64c in nfs_read (ap=0xf728feec) at ../../nfs/nfs_vnops.c:963 #9 0xf0173f55 in vn_read (fp=0xf14808c0, uio=0xf728ff30, cred=0xf0cf0080) at vnode_if.h:303 #10 0xf0153aed in read (p=0xf7289ba0, uap=0xf728ff84) at ../../kern/sys_generic.c:121 #11 0xf020e81f in syscall (frame={tf_es = 47, tf_ds = 47, tf_edi = 65536, tf_esi = 134574904, tf_ebp = -272640592, tf_isp = -148308012, tf_ebx = 65536, tf_edx = 134656328, tf_ecx = 134656328, tf_eax = 3, tf_trapno = 7, tf_err = 2, tf_eip = 134522272, tf_cs = 31, tf_eflags = 582, tf_esp = -272640732, tf_ss = 47}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:1100 #12 0xf020449c in Xint0x80_syscall () #13 0x8048999 in ?? () #14 0x804856b in ?? () #15 0x80480e9 in ?? () (kgdb) -- Zach Heilig / Zach Heilig "Americans are sensitive about their money, and since this was the first major change in the greenback in nearly 70 years, a radical redesign might have been too much for consumers to comprehend" -- John Iddings [COINage, Feb. 1999]. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 03:39:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA14579 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 03:39:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA14572 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 03:39:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA03503 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:39:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: make world gottcha... From: Poul-Henning Kamp Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 12:39:04 +0100 Message-ID: <3501.918387544@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Any clues to this one ? -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Making make -------------------------------------------------------------- mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/make [...] cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/usr.bin/make -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -stati c -o make arch.o buf.o compat.o cond.o dir.o for.o hash.o job.o main.o make.o pa rse.o str.o suff.o targ.o var.o util.o lstAppend.o lstAtEnd.o lstAtFront.o lstCl ose.o lstConcat.o lstDatum.o lstDeQueue.o lstDestroy.o lstDupl.o lstEnQueue.o ls tFind.o lstFindFrom.o lstFirst.o lstForEach.o lstForEachFrom.o lstInit.o lstInse rt.o lstIsAtEnd.o lstIsEmpty.o lstLast.o lstMember.o lstNext.o lstOpen.o lstRemo ve.o lstReplace.o lstSucc.o install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 make /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp install: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/make: Is a directory -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 06:14:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA01573 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 06:14:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01567; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 06:14:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA22937; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 01:14:01 +1100 Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 01:14:01 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199902071414.BAA22937@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG, phk@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world gottcha... Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 make /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp >install: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/make: Is a directory Something set BINDIR (to "") in the environment. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 07:15:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06070 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 07:15:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iquest3.iquest.net (iquest3.iquest.net [209.43.20.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA06065 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 07:15:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@y.dyson.net) Received: (qmail 19669 invoked from network); 7 Feb 1999 15:15:33 -0000 Received: from dyson.iquest.net (HELO y.dyson.net) (198.70.144.127) by iquest3.iquest.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 1999 15:15:33 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by y.dyson.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA26836; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:15:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902071515.KAA26836@y.dyson.net> Subject: Re: Significant page coloring improvement In-Reply-To: <199902071022.CAA20800@apollo.backplane.com> from Matthew Dillon at "Feb 7, 99 02:22:51 am" To: dillon@apollo.backplane.com (Matthew Dillon) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:15:31 -0500 (EST) Cc: dyson@iquest.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@iquest.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Dillon said: > > : next_index += PQ_L2_SIZE/4; > : if (next_index > PQ_L2_MASK) > : next_index = (next_index + 1) & PQ_L2_MASK; > > Oops, make that: > > next_index += PQ_L2_SIZE/4; > if (next_index > PQ_L2_MASK) > next_index = (next_index + PQ_PRIME1) & PQ_L2_MASK; > > Or even just: > > next_index = (next_index + PQ_PRIME1) & PQ_L2_MASK; > > Both seem to work pretty well w/ lmbench, though nothing really sticks > its nose out. > The reason why you might want to incr by PQ_L2_SIZE/N (or some other large number) is that it will likely decrease conflicts for larger objects. Note that the color should be chosen with more context (virtual address or memory region type like shared lib) than I originally implemented. There are better approaches that take into consideration dynamic conflicts. Such dynamic conflicts might be more complex to determine, and a good static choice adds only minimal overhead, yet provides some improvement. I suggest that until a major project can be undertaken, the static stuff is the right thing. It is easy to screw things up (as you can tell by my original choice for coloring being suboptimal, but not necessarily destructive.) I am agnostic regarding the coloring scheme, but I am glad that removing L1 coloring might be acceptable... If anything, it will decrease instruction cache footprint, and not cause a significant (hopefully any) decrease in performance. I will try to package up the patches (it is an issue of merging them in from my codebase.) They are essentially a result of hand optimizing the case of setting PQ_L1_SIZE to 1. Give me a day or so to put it together. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@iquest.net | it makes one look stupid jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 07:15:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06151 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 07:15:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kt.rim.or.jp (mail.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06115; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 07:15:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp) Received: from moon.sky.rim.or.jp (ppp512.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.140.162]) by mail.kt.rim.or.jp (8.8.5/3.6W-RIMNET-98-06-09) with ESMTP id AAA20724; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:15:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from sky.rim.or.jp (earth.sky.rim.or.jp [192.168.1.2]) by moon.sky.rim.or.jp (8.8.8/3.5Wpl4/moon-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA26360; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:15:35 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36BDAD4E.CC8A2452@sky.rim.or.jp> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 00:12:14 +0900 From: Jun Kuriyama X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [ja] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-current , nate@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [Call for Review] new ioctl for src/sys/pccard/* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm planning to commit these changes into src/sys/pccard/. This adds two features. These features are obtained from PAO. o PIOCSVIR Virtual insert/remove of pccard. This will be used "pccardc power" subcommand like as: # pccardc power [slot] 0 <-- power on for [slot] # pccardc power [slot] 1 <-- power off for [slot] o PIOCSBEEP Controlling beep for pccard via ioctl. This will be used "pccardc beep" subcommand. -- Jun Kuriyama // kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp // kuriyama@FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 07:18:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06455 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 07:18:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iquest3.iquest.net (iquest3.iquest.net [209.43.20.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA06445 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 07:18:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@y.dyson.net) Received: (qmail 22594 invoked from network); 7 Feb 1999 15:18:00 -0000 Received: from dyson.iquest.net (HELO y.dyson.net) (198.70.144.127) by iquest3.iquest.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 1999 15:18:00 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by y.dyson.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA26846; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:18:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902071518.KAA26846@y.dyson.net> Subject: Re: Significant page coloring improvement In-Reply-To: <199902070839.AAA20087@apollo.backplane.com> from Matthew Dillon at "Feb 7, 99 00:39:28 am" To: dillon@apollo.backplane.com (Matthew Dillon) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:17:59 -0500 (EST) Cc: dyson@iquest.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@iquest.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Dillon said: > > Ah, interesting. I understand the second bit. The first bit seems > somewhat odd, though - the automatic page coloring adjustment made > by _vm_object_allocate() doesn't work well enough for kmem_object? > There appears to be a clash. I haven't really carefully evaluate it, but did see a small improvement. (I hate tweaks though!!!) I guess until a more scientific approach can be established, better tweaks are better than worse tweaks :-). -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@iquest.net | it makes one look stupid jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 07:39:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08221 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 07:39:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kt.rim.or.jp (mail.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08215; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 07:39:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp) Received: from moon.sky.rim.or.jp (ppp388.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.140.88]) by mail.kt.rim.or.jp (8.8.5/3.6W-RIMNET-98-06-09) with ESMTP id AAA25520; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:39:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from sky.rim.or.jp (earth.sky.rim.or.jp [192.168.1.2]) by moon.sky.rim.or.jp (8.8.8/3.5Wpl4/moon-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA27051; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:39:05 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36BDB2D0.CA3FE4BB@sky.rim.or.jp> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 00:35:44 +0900 From: Jun Kuriyama X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [ja] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-current , nate@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Call for Review] new ioctl for src/sys/pccard/* References: <36BDAD4E.CC8A2452@sky.rim.or.jp> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------6331448DC47966073EBB6A88" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6331448DC47966073EBB6A88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jun Kuriyama wrote: > I'm planning to commit these changes into src/sys/pccard/. This adds > two features. These features are obtained from PAO. Sorry, I forgot to add patch. :-) -- Jun Kuriyama // kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp // kuriyama@FreeBSD.ORG --------------6331448DC47966073EBB6A88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp; name="pccard.diff.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="pccard.diff.txt" Index: cardinfo.h =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/pccard/cardinfo.h,v retrieving revision 1.10 diff -u -r1.10 cardinfo.h --- cardinfo.h 1998/04/20 15:20:58 1.10 +++ cardinfo.h 1999/02/07 14:20:48 @@ -45,6 +45,8 @@ #define PIOCRWFLAG _IOW('P', 7, int) /* Set flags for drv use */ #define PIOCRWMEM _IOWR('P', 8, unsigned long) /* Set mem for drv use */ #define PIOCSPOW _IOW('P', 9, struct power) /* Set power structure */ +#define PIOCSVIR _IOW('P', 10, int) /* Virtual insert/remove */ +#define PIOCSBEEP _IOW('P', 11, int) /* Select Beep */ /* * Debug codes. */ @@ -54,7 +56,7 @@ /* * Slot states for PIOCGSTATE */ -enum cardstate { noslot, empty, suspend, filled }; +enum cardstate { noslot, empty, suspend, filled, inactive }; /* * Descriptor structure for memory map. Index: driver.h =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/pccard/driver.h,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.6 driver.h --- driver.h 1999/01/19 00:18:25 1.6 +++ driver.h 1999/02/07 14:20:48 @@ -23,6 +23,6 @@ void pccard_remove_beep __P((void)); void pccard_success_beep __P((void)); void pccard_failure_beep __P((void)); -void pccard_beep_select __P((enum beepstate)); +int pccard_beep_select __P((enum beepstate)); #endif /* !_PCCARD_DRIVER_H_ */ Index: pccard.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/pccard/pccard.c,v retrieving revision 1.70 diff -u -r1.70 pccard.c --- pccard.c 1999/01/27 23:45:40 1.70 +++ pccard.c 1999/02/07 14:20:48 @@ -897,6 +897,7 @@ struct mem_desc *mp; struct io_desc *ip; int s, err; + int pwval; /* beep is disabled until the 1st call of crdioctl() */ pccard_beep_select(BEEP_ON); @@ -1026,6 +1027,53 @@ else pccard_failure_beep(); return err; + /* + * Virtual removal/insertion + * + * State of cards: + * + * insertion virtual removal + * (empty) --------> (filled) --------> (inactive) + * ^ ^ | ^ | | + * | | | | | | + * | +---------------+ +-----------------+ | + * | removal virtual insertion | + * | | + * +----------------------------------------+ + * removal + * + * -- hosokawa + */ + case PIOCSVIR: + pwval = *(int *)data; + /* virtual removal */ + if (!pwval) { + if (slt->state != filled) { + return EINVAL; + } + s = splhigh(); + disable_slot(slt); + slt->state = inactive; + splx(s); + pccard_remove_beep(); + selwakeup(&slt->selp); + } + /* virtual insertion */ + else { + if (slt->state != inactive) { + return EINVAL; + } + slt->insert_seq = 1; + timeout(inserted, (void *)slt, hz/4); + pccard_insert_beep(); + break; + } + break; + case PIOCSBEEP: + if (pccard_beep_select(*(int *)data)) { + return EINVAL; + } + break; } return(0); } Index: pccard_beep.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/pccard/pccard_beep.c,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 pccard_beep.c --- pccard_beep.c 1997/10/26 06:06:48 1.1 +++ pccard_beep.c 1999/02/07 14:20:48 @@ -64,7 +64,11 @@ sysbeep(PCCARD_BEEP_PITCH2, PCCARD_BEEP_DURATION2); } -void pccard_beep_select(enum beepstate state) +int pccard_beep_select(enum beepstate state) { - allow_beep = state; + if (state == BEEP_ON || state == BEEP_OFF) { + allow_beep = state; + return 0; + } + return 1; } --------------6331448DC47966073EBB6A88-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 08:06:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11014 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 08:06:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [192.109.159.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11006 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 08:06:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: from klemm.gtn.com (pppak04.gtn.com [194.231.123.169]) by picalon.gun.de (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA23120 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 17:06:01 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id RAA91099 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 17:05:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 17:05:42 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: some woes about rc.conf.site Message-ID: <19990207170542.A90515@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi ! Sorry to say this, but after having to use rc.conf.site as it is now I really kind of 'hate' it. When we had one central rc.conf file it was fun to browse through it and having all supported knobs visible at a glance. No I have to use two vi sessions (or one ,more' and one ,vi' session) in two different (!) windows (especially after a new installation, when X isn't running anymore) and have to browse through both files, to see what's missing in rc.site.conf. Then rc.conf.site has a totally different sort order which is not very helpful/comfortable, when comparing rc.conf and rc.conf.site. Then rc.conf.site doesn't contain every knob which rc.conf has. Well, I think it comes soon to a point, that I have to compare /etc/rc.conf.site with /etc/rc.conf after a make world, to see, if I want/need to merge new knobs into /etc/rc.conf.site. In the good old days we had to compare /usr/src/etc/rc.conf with /etc/rc.conf, which is exactly the same but with one difference... We had a knifty tool named mergemaster, which helped us a lot, to update /etc/rc.conf very easily. Now with an incomplete /etc/rc.conf.site, which contains only a subset of knobs in /etc/rc.conf, you have to do it manually. Well, kill me or not, but I have a certain feeling, that /etc/rc.conf.site is a bit drainbamaged in handling a) after a new installation b) if you have to keep track of changes, since it's not mergemasters, it's your bloody manual task to update it. Well, maybe I overlooked some things advantages ;-) Then please tell me. What do you think ? Or what are your experiences ? Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 08:30:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA13274 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 08:30:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13267 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 08:30:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA12085; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 08:29:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Andreas Klemm cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: some woes about rc.conf.site In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Feb 1999 17:05:42 +0100." <19990207170542.A90515@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 08:29:57 -0800 Message-ID: <11940.918404997@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Sorry to say this, but after having to use rc.conf.site as it is now > I really kind of 'hate' it. Sorry to say this, but you really don't understand it. :) > When we had one central rc.conf file it was fun to browse through > it and having all supported knobs visible at a glance. And you still have this now. In fact, with the unadulterated rc.conf, you have the original "default" values for youre reference. > Then rc.conf.site has a totally different sort order which is > not very helpful/comfortable, when comparing rc.conf and rc.conf.site. Well now that much is true - I suppose I could sort it, or something. > Then rc.conf.site doesn't contain every knob which rc.conf has. Erm, it's not supposed to. It's supposed to contain only those knobs you want to change. Are we even talking about a 3.0/4.0 snapshot made after 99/2/5 23:00 PST? I did send email out about this. > Well, maybe I overlooked some things advantages ;-) Then please tell me. As usual, I think you're just out of date and we're not even talking about current technology. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 08:44:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA14520 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 08:44:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA14515; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 08:44:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA00187; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:44:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA19307; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:44:13 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:44:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199902071644.JAA19307@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Jun Kuriyama Cc: FreeBSD-current , nate@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Call for Review] new ioctl for src/sys/pccard/* In-Reply-To: <36BDAD4E.CC8A2452@sky.rim.or.jp> References: <36BDAD4E.CC8A2452@sky.rim.or.jp> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm planning to commit these changes into src/sys/pccard/. This adds > two features. These features are obtained from PAO. > > o PIOCSVIR ... > o PIOCSBEEP ... The patch implementing these changes are adequate in the kernel, but are incomplete. What about the changes to usr.sbin/pccard/*? With regard to the power-on modifications, it is necessary to see these changes for insertion/removal as well as suspend/resume, not to mention the documentation changes. Nate ps. I like the new 'beep' ioctl better than the original implementation in PAO. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 08:46:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA14804 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 08:46:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kendra.ne.mediaone.net (kendra.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.94.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA14799 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 08:46:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from software@kew.com) Received: from sonata.hh.kew.com (root@sonata-dmz.hh.kew.com [192.168.205.1]) by kendra.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA26918; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 11:46:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from kew.com (minerva.hh.kew.com [192.168.203.144]) by sonata.hh.kew.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA03999; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 11:46:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36BDC362.2891F288@kew.com> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 11:46:26 -0500 From: Drew Derbyshire Organization: Kendra Electronic Wonderworks, Stoneham, MA 02180 (http://www.kew.com) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Masto CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: You bring the hacker, I'll send the hardware (was Re: Floppy Tape Driver) References: <87718.918332733@critter.freebsd.dk> <19990207001623.A14051@netmonger.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have both a an Eagle TR-3 and an old Mountain QIC80 drive which I could donate to someone stupid^h^h^h^h^hbrave enough to revive the FT driver. I can even send along a few tapes for each. I personally gave up and went Exabyte SCSI. Christopher Masto wrote: > I have an Exabyte Eagle TR-3 drive, and I had a look at the floppy > tape situation a while back. The driver is.. well.. inadequate. It > makes a lot of assumptions that are quite a few years incorrect. But > they're probably still needed if someone has those old drives. New > drives come in all sorts of configurations and can be queried for the > correct parameters, among other differences. Also, it's weirdly split > into kernel and user-level parts, and makes no attempt whatsoever to > pretend to be a "proper" Unix tape. > > I was going to fix all of this a while back, and I still have the pile > of documentation on how floppy tape works. I think I planned to write > a standard QIC header at the beginning of the tape and fake up > SCSI-like behavior (end of file marks, etc.). Hackers have bizzare > motivations sometimes, and my motivation for this project was to back > up my machine so I could install it anew. Unfortunately, it's now > been so long that I really have to reinstall _before_ I'd want to > start on such a thing. And I'm not sure I care anymore. I certainly > don't have the free time for some time to come. > -- Drew Derbyshire UUPC/extended e-mail: software@kew.com Telephone: 617-279-9812 Harris's Lament: All the good ones are taken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 08:55:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA15349 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 08:55:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from niobe.ewox.org (ppp108.uio.no [129.240.240.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15344 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 08:55:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@niobe.ewox.org) Received: (from des@localhost) by niobe.ewox.org (8.9.2/8.9.1) id RAA05777; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 17:54:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: NIS woes From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 07 Feb 1999 17:54:58 +0100 Message-ID: <86k8xuf925.fsf@niobe.ewox.org> Lines: 84 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a very simple NIS configuration at home: niobe is the server and luna, my scratch box, is the client. Niobe runs 4.0-CURRENT, and luna runs 3.0-RELEASE until 'make world' finishes on niobe so I can make installworld over NFS. In addition to being the NIS and NFS server, niobe is also its own NIS client, and I have no trouble at all looking up NIS maps on niobe. Luna, however, seems absolutely allergic to NIS. Everything is configured correctly as far as I can see - the NIS domain name is set correctly, the portmapper is running, 'ypbind -ypsetme' is running. Nothing happens: ypwhich fails with "ypwhich: can't yp_bind: reason: Domain not bound "; 'ypset -h luna.ewox.org -d ewox.org niobe.ewox.org' hangs for 60 seconds, then fails with "ypset: can't yp_bind, reason: Can't communicate with ypbind"; 'rpcinfo -p' prints the list header, then hangs forever (i.e. longer than I can be buggered to wait for it to give up). Here are backtraces for ypset and rpcinfo: luna# gdb `which ypset` 527 GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details. GDB 4.16 (i386-unknown-freebsd), Copyright 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc...(no debugging symbols found)... /root/527: No such file or directory. Attaching to program `/usr/sbin/ypset', process 527 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libc.so.3...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Reading symbols from /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)... done. 0x280834b8 in _select () (gdb) bt #0 0x280834b8 in _select () #1 0x28098d8d in clntudp_create () #2 0x2808f9b7 in pmap_getport () #3 0x28098935 in clntudp_bufcreate () #4 0x28098af7 in clntudp_create () #5 0x804885f in exit () #6 0x80489bb in exit () #7 0x804870d in exit () (gdb) luna# gdb `which rpcinfo` 553 GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details. GDB 4.16 (i386-unknown-freebsd), Copyright 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc...(no debugging symbols found)... /root/553: No such file or directory. Attaching to program `/usr/bin/rpcinfo', process 553 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libc.so.3...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Reading symbols from /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)... done. 0x28083cd8 in nanosleep () (gdb) bt #0 0x28083cd8 in nanosleep () #1 0x2809e843 in sleep () #2 0x28098713 in _yp_dobind () #3 0x28098986 in yp_bind () #4 0x28099694 in _yp_check () #5 0x28068aa3 in getrpcbynumber () #6 0x80495e1 in clnt_sperrno () #7 0x8048c55 in clnt_sperrno () #8 0x8048a09 in clnt_sperrno () (gdb) Specifying the server explicitly on the ypbind command line ('ypbind -S ewox.org,niobe.ewox.org') doesn't help. Running the server in debug mode shows absolutely no activity of any kind from luna. There's nothing wrong with the network connection (LPIP); interfaces and routes are set up correctly on both sides, and nfs, ssh etc. work flawlessly. Luna's IP address is in one of the ranges listed in /var/yp/securenets. Niobe runs named, and luna is set up to use it. Niobe does not run any kind of firewall or IP filter which might block out RPC traffic. Any suggestions? DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 09:05:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA16200 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:05:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [192.109.159.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16190 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:05:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: from klemm.gtn.com (pppak04.gtn.com [194.231.123.169]) by picalon.gun.de (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA24160; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 18:05:39 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id SAA92994; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 18:05:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 18:05:15 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Andreas Klemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: some woes about rc.conf.site Message-ID: <19990207180515.A92395@titan.klemm.gtn.com> References: <19990207170542.A90515@titan.klemm.gtn.com> <11940.918404997@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <11940.918404997@zippy.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 08:29:57AM -0800 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 08:29:57AM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Sorry to say this, but after having to use rc.conf.site as it is now > > I really kind of 'hate' it. > > Sorry to say this, but you really don't understand it. :) What ????? ;-) Don't tell me that ;-) > > When we had one central rc.conf file it was fun to browse through > > it and having all supported knobs visible at a glance. > > And you still have this now. In fact, with the unadulterated rc.conf, you > have the original "default" values for youre reference. Yes, true, but with the new concept of leaving this file untouched and only altering rc.conf.site I have the overhead as described in my mail. I have to choose things in rc.conf, but to change it in a different file. Browing and changing in one file (rc.conf) was easier for me. Well, my private workaround is now to remove rc.conf.site. > > Then rc.conf.site has a totally different sort order which is > > not very helpful/comfortable, when comparing rc.conf and rc.conf.site. > > Well now that much is true - I suppose I could sort it, or something. Would be fine, if it would have the same sortorder as rc.conf. This would make it easier to browse through both files in two windows. > > Then rc.conf.site doesn't contain every knob which rc.conf has. > > Erm, it's not supposed to. It's supposed to contain only those knobs > you want to change. Are we even talking about a 3.0/4.0 snapshot made > after 99/2/5 23:00 PST? I did send email out about this. Well I speak of a SNAPSHOT I made myself and I followed the discussion and found the idea nice. But now when having to edit rc.conf.site manually with vi, I have the feeling, that this concept sucks a bit. It's ok, if you always use the user interface (sysinstall). But if you want to fine tune system settings by hand with vi it has the overhead I descripbed in my previous e-mail: And that actually is: you have always to compare rc.conf and rc.conf.site if you want to add or modify a feature. Or you simply copy rc.conf over rc.conf.site and start over. > > Well, maybe I overlooked some things advantages ;-) Then please tell me. > > As usual, I think you're just out of date and we're not even talking about > current technology. :) Hmmm, I think your answer is a bit political, or am I really the only person, who hacks rc.conf.site with vi and has to browse through both files at the same time and is a bit annoyed by having to compare every single line and then to add the knob in rc.conf.site ?! Well browsing and modifying only one file (rc.conf) at the same time was a lot more comfortable for me. But, if I'm the only person who complains, then forget about it. It's not sooooo important then ;-) Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 09:13:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA17127 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:13:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17122 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:13:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA64521; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:13:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Andreas Klemm cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: some woes about rc.conf.site In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Feb 1999 18:05:15 +0100." <19990207180515.A92395@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 09:13:27 -0800 Message-ID: <64517.918407607@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hmmm, I think your answer is a bit political, or am I really the > only person, who hacks rc.conf.site with vi and has to browse through > both files at the same time and is a bit annoyed by having to compare > every single line and then to add the knob in rc.conf.site ?! I still cannot see any reason for you to do this. I haven't had any of the problems you describe since I can't even imaging approaching the problem in the way that you have chosen to. :-( - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 09:19:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA17435 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:19:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA17426 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:18:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA15845; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:25:41 -0500 From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199902071725.MAA15845@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: NIS woes To: des@flood.ping.uio.no (Dag-Erling Smorgrav) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:25:40 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <86k8xuf925.fsf@niobe.ewox.org> from "Dag-Erling Smorgrav" at Feb 7, 99 05:54:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Dag-Erling Smorgrav had to walk into mine and say: > I have a very simple NIS configuration at home: niobe is the server > and luna, my scratch box, is the client. Niobe runs 4.0-CURRENT, and > luna runs 3.0-RELEASE until 'make world' finishes on niobe so I can > make installworld over NFS. In addition to being the NIS and NFS > server, niobe is also its own NIS client, and I have no trouble at all > looking up NIS maps on niobe. > > Luna, however, seems absolutely allergic to NIS. Everything is > configured correctly as far as I can see [chop] Sure, that's what they all say. The N in NIS stands for Network. This means that you should be concentrating your diagnostic efforts on the network. Are you using an insane amount of IP aliases? Did you try to run tcpdump on the interface that connects the two machines together? >From both sides? Are your netmasks correct? Did you check to see if 'domainname' returns the correct information? > Running the server in debug mode shows absolutely no activity of any > kind from luna. There's nothing wrong with the network connection > (LPIP); I don't believe you. Like I said: run tcpdump on both sides. See if you actually have traffic pertaining to NIS travelling between the two machines. What the hell is LPIP anyway. > Any suggestions? Tcpdump, tcpdump and more tcpdump. -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ============================================================================= "It is not I who am crazy; it is I who am mad!" - Ren Hoek, "Space Madness" ============================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 09:21:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA17638 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:21:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebase.sitaranetworks.com (freebase.sitaranetworks.com [199.103.141.181]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA17624 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:21:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@loverso.southborough.ma.us) Received: from loverso.southborough.ma.us (loverso.sitaranetworks.com [199.103.141.107]) by freebase.sitaranetworks.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01453; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:21:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from loverso.southborough.ma.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by loverso.southborough.ma.us (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA18999; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:21:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902071721.MAA18999@loverso.southborough.ma.us> To: Andreas Klemm Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: some woes about rc.conf.site In-reply-to: Message from Andreas Klemm <19990207170542.A90515@titan.klemm.gtn.com> . X-Face: "UZ!}1W2N?eJdN(`1%|/OOPqJ).Idk?UyvWw'W-%`Gto8^IkEm>.g1O$[.;~}8E=Ire0|lO .o>:NlJS1@vO9bVmswRoq3j DdX9YGSeJ5a(mfX[1u>Z63G5_^+'8LVqjqvn X-Url: http://surf.to/loverso Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 12:21:18 -0500 From: John Robert LoVerso Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > No I have to use two vi sessions (or one ,more' and one ,vi' session) > in two different (!) windows (especially after a new installation, Or type "vi /etc/rc.conf /etc/rc.conf.site" and then hit ":N" to split the screen into two sessions, one in /etc/rc.conf and one in /etc/rc.conf.site. Use ^W to toggle between the the split screens. IMNO (not that it matters!), I'd prefer rc.conf to go away and be replaced by a SVR4-like "/etc/rc.init.d" with start and stop scripts. While I hated initially back in '92 when it was first inflicted upon, I find it much more useful than a single rc.conf file. Especially when adding in optional packages. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 09:26:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA18094 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:26:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18083 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:26:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id SAA88043; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 18:26:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Bill Paul Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NIS woes References: <199902071725.MAA15845@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 07 Feb 1999 18:26:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: Bill Paul's message of "Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:25:40 -0500 (EST)" Message-ID: Lines: 43 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bill Paul writes: > Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Dag-Erling > Smorgrav had to walk into mine and say: > > Luna, however, seems absolutely allergic to NIS. Everything is > > configured correctly as far as I can see > [chop] > > Sure, that's what they all say. The N in NIS stands for Network. This > means that you should be concentrating your diagnostic efforts on the > network. Are you using an insane amount of IP aliases? Did you try > to run tcpdump on the interface that connects the two machines together? > From both sides? Are your netmasks correct? > > Did you check to see if 'domainname' returns the correct information? Yes to most of the above. Tcpdump does not work on PLIP links, and I do not use IP aliases at all. Network problems would not explain why rpcinfo, ypset and ypwhich hang. > > Running the server in debug mode shows absolutely no activity of any > > kind from luna. There's nothing wrong with the network connection > > (LPIP); > I don't believe you. Like I said: run tcpdump on both sides. See if > you actually have traffic pertaining to NIS travelling between the > two machines. If you don't believe me, that's your problem. You might want to try adopting a more positive attitude. > What the hell is LPIP anyway. A typo for PLIP (parallell line IP) > > Any suggestions? > Tcpdump, tcpdump and more tcpdump. Useless on PLIP links. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 09:40:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19784 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:40:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA19768 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:40:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA15905; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:47:46 -0500 From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199902071747.MAA15905@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: NIS woes To: des@flood.ping.uio.no (Dag-Erling Smorgrav) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:47:45 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Dag-Erling Smorgrav" at Feb 7, 99 06:26:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Dag-Erling Smorgrav had to walk into mine and say: > Bill Paul writes: > > Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Dag-Erling > > Smorgrav had to walk into mine and say: > > > Luna, however, seems absolutely allergic to NIS. Everything is > > > configured correctly as far as I can see > > [chop] > > > > Sure, that's what they all say. The N in NIS stands for Network. This > > means that you should be concentrating your diagnostic efforts on the > > network. Are you using an insane amount of IP aliases? Did you try > > to run tcpdump on the interface that connects the two machines together? > > From both sides? Are your netmasks correct? > > > > Did you check to see if 'domainname' returns the correct information? > > Yes to most of the above. Tcpdump does not work on PLIP links, and I > do not use IP aliases at all. Explain to me how you concluded that tcpdump doesn't work on point to point links, or PLIP in particular. Do a 'grep bpf /sys/dev/ppbus/if_plip.c' and look at the references to bpf in the output. At the very least, it's supposed to work; if it doesn't, then it's a bug. > Network problems would not explain why rpcinfo, ypset and ypwhich > hang. It would if they're trying to do an NIS lookup as part of their operation. Rpcinfo could be trying to read from the rpc.byname map. The others may be doing similar things. > Tcpdump, tcpdump and more tcpdump. > > Useless on PLIP links. No it isn't. -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ============================================================================= "It is not I who am crazy; it is I who am mad!" - Ren Hoek, "Space Madness" ============================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 09:43:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA20005 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:43:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (b133.mat.net [206.246.122.133] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19994 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:43:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA75241; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:41:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:41:17 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: John Robert LoVerso cc: Andreas Klemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: some woes about rc.conf.site In-Reply-To: <199902071721.MAA18999@loverso.southborough.ma.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, John Robert LoVerso wrote: > > No I have to use two vi sessions (or one ,more' and one ,vi' session) > > in two different (!) windows (especially after a new installation, > > Or type "vi /etc/rc.conf /etc/rc.conf.site" and then hit ":N" to split > the screen into two sessions, one in /etc/rc.conf and one in /etc/rc.conf.site. > Use ^W to toggle between the the split screens. > > > IMNO (not that it matters!), I'd prefer rc.conf to go away and be replaced > by a SVR4-like "/etc/rc.init.d" with start and stop scripts. While I > hated initially back in '92 when it was first inflicted upon, I find it > much more useful than a single rc.conf file. Especially when adding in > optional packages. When I last did SVR4 admin, with ESIX, I kind of liked that. Now I'm in the midst of getting used to Solaris7 (which I stuck on the new machine, to give me broader experience) and I have to say, the extreme balkanization of the startup and shutdown scripts is disheartening. It's no doubt a wonderful thing for the folks who write GUIs to manage it, but I only like GUIs that are tightly under control (for years, I wouldn't touch GUIs at all). The extreme splitting up of the scripts is horrible for someone who wants to tweak scripts. Any thought of moving to a more layered style of admin'ing has to be very carefully considered, because it surely can make a hostile environment for anyone who doesn't want *precisely* what the GUI architect wants them to want. I want the move, but *please* don't let it be driven only by how much easier it is to control by a GUI. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 10:08:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22920 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:08:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22915 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:08:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id TAA88150; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 19:08:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Bill Paul Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NIS woes References: <199902071747.MAA15905@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 07 Feb 1999 19:08:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: Bill Paul's message of "Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:47:45 -0500 (EST)" Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bill Paul writes: > Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Dag-Erling > Smorgrav had to walk into mine and say: > > Yes to most of the above. Tcpdump does not work on PLIP links, and I > > do not use IP aliases at all. > Explain to me how you concluded that tcpdump doesn't work on point to > point links, or PLIP in particular. Do a 'grep bpf /sys/dev/ppbus/if_plip.c' > and look at the references to bpf in the output. At the very least, > it's supposed to work; if it doesn't, then it's a bug. It doesn't. Try it out for yourself. It is a bug, and I know (conceptually) how to fix it, but I really can't be buggered to track it down and fix it right now. In any case, I am convinced that tcpdump will not reveal anything of interest. The netwok connection *works*. Luna has four NFS file systems mounted from niobe, and I admin luna using ssh from niobe. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 10:20:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24013 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:20:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles235.castles.com [208.214.165.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23996; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:20:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06425; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:15:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199902071815.KAA06425@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Daren R. Sefcik" cc: "David O'Brien" , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: low level format--how?? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 06 Feb 1999 17:35:03 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 10:15:16 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Thanks..I ended up just pulling my old Atari out of the closet and doing > the format on it...that seemed to work and I am now up and running. I > would still like to know how to do it under FreeBSD. If the disk wasn't being probed, then you can't format it, period. It sounds to me like you managed to screw the disk up, and the process of pulling it and reinstalling it in your Atari gave it a chance to recover. Rule 1: Never change more than one variable at one time. The correct answer to "how do you low-level format a SCSI disk under FreeBSD" is "if you have to ask, you SHOULD NOT be doing it". It is almost never the right thing to do. > Daren > > > > On Sat, 6 Feb 1999, David O'Brien wrote: > > > You will get more mileage by discussing this type of thing on > > freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org > > > > > > > > Is there ``/sbin/scsiformat''? Or may be you have to use camcontrol now? > > > > > > rover# camcontrol defects -f da0 > > > camcontrol: cam_lookup_pass: CAMGETPASSTHRU ioctl failed > > > cam_lookup_pass: No such file or directory > > > cam_lookup_pass: either the pass driver isn't in your kernel > > > cam_lookup_pass: or da0 doesn't exist > > > rover# camcontrol defects -f /dev/da0 > > > camcontrol: cam_lookup_pass: CAMGETPASSTHRU ioctl failed > > > cam_lookup_pass: No such file or directory > > > cam_lookup_pass: either the pass driver isn't in your kernel > > > cam_lookup_pass: or da0 doesn't exist > > > rover# > > > > -- > > -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 10:28:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24869 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:28:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from paert.tse-online.de (paert.tse-online.de [194.97.69.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA24864 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:28:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ab@paert.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 21774 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Feb 1999 18:27:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 19:27:38 +0100 From: Andreas Braukmann To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: some woes about rc.conf.site Message-ID: <19990207192738.C7821@paert.tse-online.de> References: <19990207170542.A90515@titan.klemm.gtn.com> <11940.918404997@zippy.cdrom.com> <19990207180515.A92395@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <19990207180515.A92395@titan.klemm.gtn.com>; from Andreas Klemm on Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 06:05:15PM +0100 Organization: TSE TeleService GmbH Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 06:05:15PM +0100, Andreas Klemm wrote: > > Sorry to say this, but you really don't understand it. :) sorry Andreas, ... I have to second this ;) > > > When we had one central rc.conf file it was fun to browse through > > > it and having all supported knobs visible at a glance. > > > > And you still have this now. In fact, with the unadulterated rc.conf, you > > have the original "default" values for youre reference. hmmm. I hated the old behaviour of sysinstall to make changes directly to /etc/rc.conf. Why? Because I'm used to use /etc/rc.conf just as a 'reference manual' for all the 'knobs'. If mergemaster tells me that rc.conf has changed, I have the 'diff' as a rough guideline if I have to change my rc.conf.locale, too. Typically I use 'sysinstall' exactly once in one machine's lifetime. My old method of dealing with 'rc.conf' and 'rc.conf.local' was: => sysinstall generates a modified rc.conf => mv rc.conf rc.conf.local => cp /usr/src/etc/rc.conf rc.conf => vi rc.conf.local delete all the lines not suitable for rc.conf.local after making a new world: => mergemaster if there are diffs between the old and the new rc.conf => let mergemaster install the new rc.conf => have a close look at the 'diffs' and check if any of the changes conflict with my current rc.conf.local. Now, with 'rc.conf.site' I just don't have to bother with rc.conf after a fresh installation. I would just move rc.conf.site to rc.conf.local and then procede as earlier mentioned. > > > Then rc.conf.site has a totally different sort order which is > > > not very helpful/comfortable, when comparing rc.conf and rc.conf.site. I have to admit, that I havn't met a real rc.conf.site, yet. If the sort order differs significantly it should really be corrected. > > > Then rc.conf.site doesn't contain every knob which rc.conf has. > > Erm, it's not supposed to. It's supposed to contain only those knobs > > you want to change. Just as I have only the minimum set of knobs in rc.conf.local. > or am I really the only person, who hacks rc.conf.site with vi no :=) > both files at the same time and is a bit annoyed by having to compare > every single line and then to add the knob in rc.conf.site ?! hmm. diff rc.conf.old rc.conf should point you directly to the changed options or changed default behaviors. > But, if I'm the only person who complains, then forget about it. > It's not sooooo important then ;-) ;) .. Regards, Andreas -- : TSE TeleService GmbH : Gsf: Arne Reuter : : : Hovestrasse 14 : Andreas Braukmann : We do it with : : D-48351 Everswinkel : HRB: 1430, AG WAF : FreeBSD/SMP : :--------------------------------------------------------------------: : PGP-Key: http://www.tse-online.de/~ab/public-key : : Key fingerprint: 12 13 EF BC 22 DD F4 B6 3C 25 C9 06 DC D3 45 9B : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 11:01:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28147 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 11:01:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ix.netcom.com (sil-wa17-37.ix.netcom.com [207.93.156.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28142 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 11:01:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tomdean@ix.netcom.com) Received: (from tomdean@localhost) by ix.netcom.com (8.9.2/8.8.8) id LAA00486; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 11:01:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tomdean) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 11:01:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199902071901.LAA00486@ix.netcom.com> From: Thomas Dean To: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <19990207192738.C7821@paert.tse-online.de> (message from Andreas Braukmann on Sun, 7 Feb 1999 19:27:38 +0100) Subject: was: some woes about rc.conf.site Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This looks like a good addition to rc.conf(5). A description of what the inventor(s) intended when adding rc.conf.site and rc.conf.local to the system. > Typically I use 'sysinstall' exactly once in one machine's lifetime. > My old method of dealing with 'rc.conf' and 'rc.conf.local' was: > => sysinstall generates a modified rc.conf mv rc.conf.site rc.conf.local > => cp /usr/src/etc/rc.conf rc.conf > => vi rc.conf.local > delete all the lines not suitable for rc.conf.local > > after making a new world: diff /etc/rc.conf /usr/src/etc/rc.conf > => have a close look at the 'diffs' and check if any of the > changes conflict with my current rc.conf.local. or, if there are any additions needed to my rc.conf.local. If there are diffs, cp /usr/src/etc/rc.conf /etc > > Now, with 'rc.conf.site' I just don't have to bother with rc.conf > after a fresh installation. I would just move rc.conf.site to rc.conf.local > and then procede as earlier mentioned. > tomdean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 11:25:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01126 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 11:25:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01106; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 11:25:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.2/8.8.5) id MAA63805; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:24:23 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199902071924.MAA63805@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: low level format--how?? In-Reply-To: <199902071815.KAA06425@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Feb 7, 1999 10:15:16 am" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:24:23 -0700 (MST) Cc: daren@sefcik.cc, obrien@NUXI.com, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote... > > Thanks..I ended up just pulling my old Atari out of the closet and doing > > the format on it...that seemed to work and I am now up and running. I > > would still like to know how to do it under FreeBSD. > > If the disk wasn't being probed, then you can't format it, period. That only applies if the passthrough driver didn't probe it. The passthrough driver will attach if the device responds to an inquiry. My guess is that the pass driver did attach in his case, but the da driver did not. I've seen this before with other drives that ended up needing a low-level format. In order for the da driver to attach, the read capacity it does must succeed, or fail with an acceptable "medium not present" type error code. > It sounds to me like you managed to screw the disk up, and the process > of pulling it and reinstalling it in your Atari gave it a chance to > recover. > > Rule 1: Never change more than one variable at one time. Good idea. > The correct answer to "how do you low-level format a SCSI disk under > FreeBSD" is "if you have to ask, you SHOULD NOT be doing it". It is > almost never the right thing to do. In his case, I think it was. The "medium format corrupted" error message can generally be fixed by low-level formatting the disk. But you're right, low-level formatting the disk is often the wrong thing to do. > > Daren > > > > > > > > On Sat, 6 Feb 1999, David O'Brien wrote: > > > > > You will get more mileage by discussing this type of thing on > > > freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org > > > > > > > > > > > Is there ``/sbin/scsiformat''? Or may be you have to use camcontrol now? > > > > > > > > rover# camcontrol defects -f da0 > > > > camcontrol: cam_lookup_pass: CAMGETPASSTHRU ioctl failed > > > > cam_lookup_pass: No such file or directory > > > > cam_lookup_pass: either the pass driver isn't in your kernel > > > > cam_lookup_pass: or da0 doesn't exist > > > > rover# camcontrol defects -f /dev/da0 > > > > camcontrol: cam_lookup_pass: CAMGETPASSTHRU ioctl failed > > > > cam_lookup_pass: No such file or directory > > > > cam_lookup_pass: either the pass driver isn't in your kernel > > > > cam_lookup_pass: or da0 doesn't exist > > > > rover# > > > > > > -- > > > -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 11:25:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01346 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 11:25:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01181 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 11:25:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA28040 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 14:25:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Message-Id: <199902071925.OAA28040@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: problems getting USB support working Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed ; boundary="==_Exmh_-8810908180" Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 14:25:17 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multipart MIME message. --==_Exmh_-8810908180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been trying to play with the USB support lately, and haven't got much success. I'm running a 4.0-current freshly CVSUPed, and less than 24 hours old. In summary, here's excepts from what I'm seeing when doing a verbose boot that appear to be relevent. During a boot, there is a few second pause before each timeout message below before the driver seems to abandon all hope and give up. FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #12: Sun Feb 7 13:54:03 EST 1999 louie@whizzo.transsys.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/PLAY [...] CPU: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor (350.82-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x580 Stepping=0 Features=0x8001bf [...] uhci0: rev 0x02 int d irq 5 on pci0.7.2 usb0: USB version 1.0, interrupting at 5 found-> vendor=0x1106, dev=0x3040, revid=0x10 class=06-80-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 [...] usbd_match usb0: usbd_attach usbd_new_device bus=0xf0956000 depth=0 lowspeed=0 usbd_new_device: adding unit addr=1, rev=100, class=9, subclass=0, protocol=0, maxpacket=64, ls=0 usbd_new_device: new dev (addr 1), dev=0xf0967c80, parent=0xf0964240 uhub0 at usb0 uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 usbd_set_config_index: (addr 1) attr=0x40, selfpowered=1, power=0, powerquirk=0 usbd_set_config_index: set config 1 usbd_set_config_index: setting new config 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered usbd_init_port: adding hub port=1 status=0x0108 change=0x0000 usbd_init_port: adding hub port=2 status=0x0309 change=0x0001 uhub_explore: status change hub=1 port=2 usbd_new_device bus=0xf0956000 depth=1 lowspeed=512 uhci_waitintr: timeout uhci_waitintr: timeout uhci_waitintr: timeout uhci_waitintr: timeout uhci_waitintr: timeout usbd_new_device: addr=2, getting first desc failed usbd_remove_device: 0xf0967980 uhub_explore: usb_new_device failed, error=17(TIMEOUT) uhub0: device problem, disabling port 2 usb0: Host System Error usb0: controller halted I have a single USB peripheral plugged in at the moment, which is a USB-capable joystick. This same machine in the same configuration when booted in Windows98 has a working USB joystick, so I'm pretty sure the hardware isn't completely broken, or that I've forgotten to plug something in. Out of the config file: # USB support controller uhci0 controller ohci0 controller usb0 device ums0 device ukbd0 device ulpt0 device uhub0 device ucom0 device umodem0 device hid0 device ugen0 options USB_DEBUG options USBVERBOSE Any pointers on where to start looking, or how to proceed? louie --==_Exmh_-8810908180 Content-Type: text/plain ; name="dmesg"; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: boot messages Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="dmesg" Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #12: Sun Feb 7 13:54:03 EST 1999 louie@whizzo.transsys.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/PLAY Calibrating clock(s) ... TSC clock: 350816426 Hz, i8254 clock: 1193253 Hz Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193253 Hz Timecounter "TSC" frequency 350816426 Hz CPU: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor (350.82-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x580 Stepping=0 Features=0x8001bf Data TLB: 128 entries, 2-way associative Instruction TLB: 64 entries, 1-way associative L1 data cache: 32 kbytes, 32 bytes/line, 2 lines/tag, 2-way associative L1 instruction cache: 32 kbytes, 32 bytes/line, 2 lines/tag, 2-way associative Write Allocate Enable Limit: 128M bytes Write Allocate 15-16M bytes: Enable Hardware Write Allocate Control: Disable real memory = 134217728 (131072K bytes) Physical memory chunk(s): 0x00001000 - 0x0009efff, 647168 bytes (158 pages) 0x002e8000 - 0x07ff5fff, 131129344 bytes (32014 pages) avail memory = 127688704 (124696K bytes) Found BIOS32 Service Directory header at 0xf00faf20 Entry = 0xfb3a0 (0xf00fb3a0) Rev = 0 Len = 1 PCI BIOS entry at 0xb3d0 DMI header at 0xf00f5d20 Version 2.0 Table at 0xf0800, 28 entries, 817 bytes Other BIOS signatures found: ACPI: 00000000 $PnP: 000fbfc0 Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xf02d7000. DEVFS: ready for devices pci_open(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x80003840 pci_open(1a): mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000) pci_cfgcheck: device 0 [class=060000] [hdr=00] is there (id=05971106) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: found-> vendor=0x1106, dev=0x0597, revid=0x04 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 map[0]: type 3, range 32, base e0000000, size 26 chip0: rev 0x04 on pci0.0.0 found-> vendor=0x1106, dev=0x8598, revid=0x00 class=06-04-00, hdrtype=0x01, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=1 secondarybus=1 chip1: rev 0x00 on pci0.1.0 found-> vendor=0x1106, dev=0x0586, revid=0x41 class=06-01-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 chip2: rev 0x41 on pci0.7.0 found-> vendor=0x1106, dev=0x0571, revid=0x06 class=01-01-8a, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 map[0]: type 4, range 32, base 00006400, size 4 ide_pci0: rev 0x06 on pci0.7.1 via_571_status: Primary IDE prefetch/postwrite enabled/enabled via_571_status: busmaster status read retry enabled via_571_status: primary drive 0 data setup=4 active=3 recovery=1 via_571_status: primary ctrl active=16 recovery=1 via_571_status: secondary drive 1 udma method=0 enable=0 PIOmode=0 cycle=5 via_571_status: Primary IDE prefetch/postwrite enabled/enabled via_571_status: busmaster status read retry enabled via_571_status: primary drive 1 data setup=4 active=11 recovery=9 via_571_status: primary ctrl active=16 recovery=1 via_571_status: secondary drive 1 udma method=0 enable=0 PIOmode=0 cycle=5 ide_pci: busmaster 0 status: 64 from port: 00006402 ide_pci: ide0:0 has been configured for DMA by BIOS ide_pci: ide0:1 has been configured for DMA by BIOS via_571_status: Secondary IDE prefetch/postwrite enabled/disabled via_571_status: busmaster status read retry enabled via_571_status: secondary drive 0 data setup=4 active=3 recovery=1 via_571_status: secondary ctrl active=16 recovery=9 via_571_status: secondary drive 1 udma method=0 enable=0 PIOmode=0 cycle=5 via_571_status: Secondary IDE prefetch/postwrite enabled/disabled via_571_status: busmaster status read retry enabled via_571_status: secondary drive 1 data setup=4 active=11 recovery=9 via_571_status: secondary ctrl active=16 recovery=9 via_571_status: secondary drive 1 udma method=0 enable=0 PIOmode=0 cycle=5 ide_pci: busmaster 1 status: 64 from port: 0000640a ide_pci: ide1:0 has been configured for DMA by BIOS ide_pci: ide1:1 has been configured for DMA by BIOS found-> vendor=0x1106, dev=0x3038, revid=0x02 class=0c-03-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=d, irq=5 map[0]: type 4, range 32, base 00006800, size 5 uhci0: rev 0x02 int d irq 5 on pci0.7.2 usb0: USB version 1.0, interrupting at 5 found-> vendor=0x1106, dev=0x3040, revid=0x10 class=06-80-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 chip3: rev 0x10 on pci0.7.3 found-> vendor=0x1011, dev=0x0009, revid=0x22 class=02-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=10 map[0]: type 4, range 32, base 00006c00, size 7 map[1]: type 1, range 32, base e4000000, size 7 de0: rev 0x22 int a irq 10 on pci0.8.0 de0: 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.2 de0: address 00:40:05:42:d0:8a bpf: de0 attached found-> vendor=0x1102, dev=0x0002, revid=0x04 class=04-01-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=11 map[0]: type 4, range 32, base 00007000, size 5 found-> vendor=0x1102, dev=0x7002, revid=0x01 class=09-80-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 map[0]: type 4, range 32, base 00007400, size 3 Probing for devices on PCI bus 1: found-> vendor=0x105d, dev=0x5348, revid=0x01 class=03-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=10 map[0]: type 3, range 32, base a8000000, size 25 map[1]: type 3, range 32, base aa000000, size 25 map[2]: type 1, range 32, base d8010000, size 12 map[3]: type 1, range 32, base d8000000, size 16 map[4]: type 4, range 32, base 0000e000, size 8 vga0: rev 0x01 int a irq 10 on pci1.0.0 Probing for devices on the ISA bus: atkbd: the current kbd controller command byte 0047 atkbd: keyboard ID 0x41ab (2) kbdc: RESET_KBD return code:00fa kbdc: RESET_KBD status:00aa sc0 on isa sc0: fb0 kbd0 sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard atkbd0 irq 1 on isa kbd0: atkbd0, AT 101/102 (2), config:0x10000, flags:0x3d0000 psm0: current command byte:0047 kbdc: TEST_AUX_PORT status:0000 kbdc: RESET_AUX return code:00fa kbdc: RESET_AUX status:00aa kbdc: RESET_AUX ID:0000 psm: status 00 02 64 psm: data 08 00 00 psm: status 00 02 64 psm0 irq 12 flags 0xa00 on isa psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0, 2 buttons psm0: config:00000a00, flags:00000000, packet size:3 psm0: syncmask:c0, syncbits:00 sio0: irq maps: 0x21 0x31 0x21 0x21 sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1: irq maps: 0x21 0x29 0x21 0x21 sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A pca0 on motherboard pca0: PC speaker audio driver ppc: parallel port found at 0x378 ppc0: 0x87 - 0xc 0x0 0xff 0x50 0x44 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x8c 0xa 0xc 0x28 0xab 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x7 0x0 0x1e 0xfc 0x21 0xff 0xde 0xfe 0xbe 0x23 0x25 0x43 0x60 ppc0: ECP+EPP SPP ppc0 at 0x378 irq 7 on isa ppc0: Winbond chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/16 bytes threshold nlpt0: on ppbus 0 nlpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus 0 lppps0: on ppbus 0 fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 2441MB (4999680 sectors), 4960 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wd0: ATA INQUIRE valid = 0003, dmamword = 0000, apio = 0003, udma = 0000 wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 on isa wdc1: unit 0 (atapi): , removable, dma, iordy acd0: drive speed 1367KB/sec, 128KB cache acd0: supported read types: CD-DA acd0: Audio: play, 255 volume levels acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray acd0: Medium: CD-ROM 120mm data/audio disc loaded, unlocked vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa fb0: vga0, vga, type:VGA (5), flags:0x7007f fb0: port:0x3b0-0x3df, crtc:0x3d4, mem:0xa0000 0x20000 fb0: init mode:24, bios mode:3, current mode:24 fb0: window:0xf00b8000 size:32k gran:32k, buf:0x0 size:0k VGA parameters upon power-up 50 18 10 00 00 00 03 00 02 27 59 4f 4f 9d 54 1b ff ff 00 ef 0e 0f 00 00 07 80 7d 8f 1f 28 1f 1e 00 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff VGA parameters in BIOS for mode 24 50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 27 59 4f 4f 9d 54 1b ff ff 00 ef 0d 0e 00 00 00 00 7d 8f 1f 28 1f 1e 00 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff EGA/VGA parameters to be used for mode 24 50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 27 59 4f 4f 9d 54 1b ff ff 00 ef 0d 0e 00 00 00 00 7d 8f 1f 28 1f 1e 00 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface i586_bzero() bandwidth = 54083288 bytes/sec bzero() bandwidth = 180799132 bytes/sec joy0 at 0x201 on isa joy0: joystick imasks: bio c008c060, tty c003109a, net c0060400 usbd_match usb0: usbd_attach usbd_new_device bus=0xf0956000 depth=0 lowspeed=0 usbd_new_device: adding unit addr=1, rev=100, class=9, subclass=0, protocol=0, maxpacket=64, ls=0 usbd_new_device: new dev (addr 1), dev=0xf0967c80, parent=0xf0964240 uhub0 at usb0 uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 usbd_set_config_index: (addr 1) attr=0x40, selfpowered=1, power=0, powerquirk=0 usbd_set_config_index: set config 1 usbd_set_config_index: setting new config 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered usbd_init_port: adding hub port=1 status=0x0108 change=0x0000 usbd_init_port: adding hub port=2 status=0x0309 change=0x0001 uhub_explore: status change hub=1 port=2 usbd_new_device bus=0xf0956000 depth=1 lowspeed=512 uhci_waitintr: timeout uhci_waitintr: timeout uhci_waitintr: timeout uhci_waitintr: timeout uhci_waitintr: timeout usbd_new_device: addr=2, getting first desc failed usbd_remove_device: 0xf0967980 uhub_explore: usb_new_device failed, error=17(TIMEOUT) uhub0: device problem, disabling port 2 usb0: Host System Error usb0: controller halted BIOS Geometries: 0:00000000 0..0=1 cylinders, 0..0=1 heads, 1..0=0 sectors 1:00000000 0..0=1 cylinders, 0..0=1 heads, 1..0=0 sectors 2:00000000 0..0=1 cylinders, 0..0=1 heads, 1..0=0 sectors 3:00000000 0..0=1 cylinders, 0..0=1 heads, 1..0=0 sectors 4:00000000 0..0=1 cylinders, 0..0=1 heads, 1..0=0 sectors 5:00000000 0..0=1 cylinders, 0..0=1 heads, 1..0=0 sectors 6:00000000 0..0=1 cylinders, 0..0=1 heads, 1..0=0 sectors 7:00000000 0..0=1 cylinders, 0..0=1 heads, 1..0=0 sectors 0 accounted for Device configuration finished. DEVFS: ready to run bpf: tun0 attached bpf: tun1 attached bpf: lo0 attached bpf: ds0 attached Linux-ELF exec handler installed de0 XXX: driver didn't set ifq_maxlen lo0 XXX: driver didn't set ifq_maxlen ds0 XXX: driver didn't set ifq_maxlen Considering FFS root f/s. changing root device to wd0s2a wd0s1: type 0xe, start 207711, end = 2837519, size 2629809 : OK wd0s2: type 0xa5, start 63, end = 207647, size 207585 : OK wd0s3: type 0xa5, start 2837520, end = 4999679, size 2162160 : OK ffs_mountfs: superblock updated for soft updates ffs_mountfs: superblock updated for soft updates de0: enabling 10baseT port --==_Exmh_-8810908180 Content-Type: text/plain ; name="PLAY"; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: kernel config file for "PLAY" machine Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="PLAY" machine "i386" cpu "I586_CPU" # aka Pentium(tm) ident PLAY # # The `maxusers' parameter controls the static sizing of a number of # internal system tables by a complicated formula defined in param.c. # maxusers 20 config "kernel" root on da0 dumps on da0 options INCLUDE_CONFIG_FILE options "COMPAT_43" options USER_LDT #allow user-level control of i386 ldt options SYSVSHM options SYSVSEM options SYSVMSG options "VM86" options KTRACE #kernel tracing options UCONSOLE options INET #Internet communications protocols #options MROUTING # Multicast routing options PERFMON options "CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION" options "CLK_USE_TSC_CALIBRATION" options DDB options DDB_UNATTENDED options INVARIANTS options INVARIANT_SUPPORT options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor pseudo-device ether #Generic Ethernet pseudo-device loop #Network loopback device pseudo-device bpfilter 4 #Berkeley packet filter pseudo-device tun 2 #Tunnel driver(user process ppp) pseudo-device disc options FFS #Fast filesystem options FFS_ROOT options NFS #Network File System options "CD9660" #ISO 9660 filesystem options FDESC #File descriptor filesystem options KERNFS #Kernel filesystem options MSDOSFS #MS DOS File System options PROCFS #Process filesystem options DEVFS #devices filesystem options SOFTUPDATES #oh, boy! pseudo-device pty 64 #Pseudo ttys - can go as high as 64 pseudo-device speaker #Play IBM BASIC-style noises out your speaker pseudo-device vn #Vnode driver (turns a file into a device) pseudo-device snp 3 #Snoop device - to look at pty/vty/etc.. options "MSGBUF_SIZE=40960" options PPS_SYNC ##################################################################### # HARDWARE DEVICE CONFIGURATION # ISA and EISA devices: # Currently there is no separate support for EISA. There should be. # Micro Channel is not supported at all. # # Mandatory ISA devices: isa, sc or vt, npx # controller isa0 pseudo-device splash controller atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD tty device atkbd0 at isa? tty irq 1 device psm0 at isa? tty irq 12 flags 0xa00 device vga0 at isa? port ? conflicts device sc0 at isa? tty device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" irq 13 controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 disk wd1 at wdc0 drive 1 controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 disk wd3 at wdc1 drive 1 options IDE_DELAY=8000 # Be optimistic about Joe IDE device # IDE CD-ROM driver - requires wdc controller and ATAPI option device acd0 options ATAPI #Enable ATAPI support for IDE bus options ATAPI_STATIC #Don't do it as an LKM device pca0 at isa? port IO_TIMER1 tty device joy0 at isa? port "IO_GAME" # # PCI devices: # controller pci0 device de0 controller smbus0 controller iicbus0 controller iicbb0 controller ppbus0 device nlpt0 at ppbus? device ppi0 at ppbus? device pps0 at ppbus? device lpbb0 at ppbus? controller ppc0 at isa? port ? tty irq 7 # USB support controller uhci0 controller ohci0 controller usb0 device ums0 device ukbd0 device ulpt0 device uhub0 device ucom0 device umodem0 device hid0 device ugen0 options USB_DEBUG options USBVERBOSE options COMPAT_LINUX --==_Exmh_-8810908180-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 12:14:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07552 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:14:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cheddar.netmonger.net (cheddar.netmonger.net [209.54.21.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07546 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:14:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@cheddar.netmonger.net) Received: (from chris@localhost) by cheddar.netmonger.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12215; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 15:14:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990207151422.B14051@netmonger.net> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 15:14:22 -0500 From: Christopher Masto To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: was: some woes about rc.conf.site References: <19990207192738.C7821@paert.tse-online.de> <199902071901.LAA00486@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199902071901.LAA00486@ix.netcom.com>; from Thomas Dean on Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 11:01:40AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I haven't used it yet, but I definately think the idea is an improvement. I hate trying to update /etc after an upgrade.. if it's been a while, or it's between major versions, it can take a very significant amount of time. Anything that moves local changes to a seperate file is a blessing. Also, having had sysinstall destroy my /etc/rc.conf on more than one occasion, I am grateful to not have it touched any more. -- Christopher Masto Director of Operations NetMonger Communications chris@netmonger.net info@netmonger.net http://www.netmonger.net "Good tools allow users to do stupid things." -- Clay Shirky To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 12:19:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08265 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:19:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08260 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:19:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreasd@ifi.uio.no) Received: from refil.ifi.uio.no (3034@refil.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.28]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id VAA04824 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:19:29 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreasd@localhost) by refil.ifi.uio.no ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:19:28 +0100 (MET) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: thread-package strategy From: Andreas Dobloug Date: 07 Feb 1999 21:19:28 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You've probably already seen this: "Scheduler Activations: Effective Kernel Support for the User-Level Management of Parallelism." -- Andreas Dobloug : email: andreasd@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 12:28:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09163 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:28:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles235.castles.com [208.214.165.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09043; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:27:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07111; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:23:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199902072023.MAA07111@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Jun Kuriyama cc: FreeBSD-current , nate@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Call for Review] new ioctl for src/sys/pccard/* In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Feb 1999 00:35:44 +0900." <36BDB2D0.CA3FE4BB@sky.rim.or.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 12:23:25 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------6331448DC47966073EBB6A88 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Jun Kuriyama wrote: > > I'm planning to commit these changes into src/sys/pccard/. This adds > > two features. These features are obtained from PAO. > > Sorry, I forgot to add patch. :-) These basically sound pretty good... > + /* > + * Virtual removal/insertion > + * > + * State of cards: > + * > + * insertion virtual removal > + * (empty) --------> (filled) --------> (inactive) > + * ^ ^ | ^ | | > + * | | | | | | > + * | +---------------+ +-----------------+ | > + * | removal virtual insertion | > + * | | > + * +----------------------------------------+ > + * removal > + * > + * -- hosokawa But this diagram worries me. Does this explicitly disallow physical removal without a preceeding virtual removal? Just to be clear, I have no objections to that approach, but it's something that we would want to make very clear if we're going to make this change. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 12:52:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12628 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:52:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles235.castles.com [208.214.165.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12616 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:52:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07248; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:48:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199902072048.MAA07248@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Andreas Klemm cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: some woes about rc.conf.site In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Feb 1999 17:05:42 +0100." <19990207170542.A90515@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 12:48:13 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > What do you think ? Or what are your experiences ? I hate it unreservedly. If we need a source of seeded default values, we should have rc.conf.default, uncommented, read-only. rc.conf is where people expect to make their changes, and it is immensely bogus to have sysinstall creating rc.conf.site which is quietly included *after* everything in rc.conf (so that when someone changes rc.conf, the change is overridden). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 12:57:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13364 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:57:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [192.109.159.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13348 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:57:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: from klemm.gtn.com (pppak04.gtn.com [194.231.123.169]) by picalon.gun.de (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA28206; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:57:39 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id VAA99562; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:45:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:45:04 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Andreas Klemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: some woes about rc.conf.site Message-ID: <19990207214504.A99155@titan.klemm.gtn.com> References: <19990207180515.A92395@titan.klemm.gtn.com> <64517.918407607@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <64517.918407607@zippy.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 09:13:27AM -0800 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 09:13:27AM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Hmmm, I think your answer is a bit political, or am I really the > > only person, who hacks rc.conf.site with vi and has to browse through > > both files at the same time and is a bit annoyed by having to compare > > every single line and then to add the knob in rc.conf.site ?! > > I still cannot see any reason for you to do this. I haven't had any > of the problems you describe since I can't even imaging approaching > the problem in the way that you have chosen to. :-( Don't take it too serious. Perhaps I should have put a smiley at the end of the sentence. Somtimes political means "bad things(tm)" I didn't meant it soo bad ;-) -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 12:57:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13375 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:57:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [192.109.159.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13357 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:57:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: from klemm.gtn.com (pppak04.gtn.com [194.231.123.169]) by picalon.gun.de (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA28212; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:57:41 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id VAA99582; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:48:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:48:36 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: Chuck Robey Cc: John Robert LoVerso , Andreas Klemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: some woes about rc.conf.site Message-ID: <19990207214836.B99155@titan.klemm.gtn.com> References: <199902071721.MAA18999@loverso.southborough.ma.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Chuck Robey on Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 12:41:17PM -0500 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 12:41:17PM -0500, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, John Robert LoVerso wrote: > > Or type "vi /etc/rc.conf /etc/rc.conf.site" and then hit ":N" to split > > the screen into two sessions, one in /etc/rc.conf and one in /etc/rc.conf.site. > > Use ^W to toggle between the the split screens. Ok, thanks, could do that. Then it would be nice, if Jordan could actually kind of sort things, so that it's easier to configure options in rc.conf.site. > > IMNO (not that it matters!), I'd prefer rc.conf to go away and be replaced > > by a SVR4-like "/etc/rc.init.d" with start and stop scripts. While I > > hated initially back in '92 when it was first inflicted upon, I find it > > much more useful than a single rc.conf file. Especially when adding in > > optional packages. > > When I last did SVR4 admin, with ESIX, I kind of liked that. Now I'm in > the midst of getting used to Solaris7 (which I stuck on the new machine, > to give me broader experience) and I have to say, the extreme > balkanization of the startup and shutdown scripts is disheartening. > It's no doubt a wonderful thing for the folks who write GUIs to manage > it, but I only like GUIs that are tightly under control (for years, I > wouldn't touch GUIs at all). The extreme splitting up of the scripts is > horrible for someone who wants to tweak scripts. Agreed. I like our way more, since renaming or deleting startup scripts to disable things isn't very comfortable. And you have to be very very careful about the design of the start and stop scripts ... -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 13:10:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14905 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:10:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from solaris.matti.ee (solaris.matti.ee [194.126.98.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14851 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:10:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vallo@myhakas.matti.ee) Received: from myhakas.matti.ee (myhakas.matti.ee [194.126.114.87]) by solaris.matti.ee (8.8.8/8.8.8.s) with ESMTP id XAA10556; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:09:47 +0200 (EET) Received: (from vallo@localhost) by myhakas.matti.ee (8.9.2/8.9.1) id XAA25001; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:09:49 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from vallo) Message-ID: <19990207230948.A24719@matti.ee> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:09:49 +0200 From: Vallo Kallaste To: John Robert LoVerso Cc: FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: Floppy Tape Driver..... Reply-To: vallo@matti.ee References: <199902070536.AAA16159@loverso.southborough.ma.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199902070536.AAA16159@loverso.southborough.ma.us>; from John Robert LoVerso on Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 12:36:18AM -0500 Organization: =?iso-8859-15?Q?AS_Matti_B=FCrootehnika?= Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 12:36:18AM -0500, John Robert LoVerso wrote: > > Well, I need to learn a little about programming first, so where do you > > reccomend I begin learning? > > If you don't know about programming, then you just shouldn't be running > -current. Step back to 2.2.8R and enjoy the Floppy Tape support there. Hmm.. I don't believe this can be true however. I do not program but I do run current on my workstation, it's just plain interesting thing to do. Just my opinion. -- Vallo Kallaste vallo@matti.ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 13:16:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15479 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:16:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15471 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:16:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id NAA26516; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:16:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:16:28 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199902072116.NAA26516@apollo.backplane.com> To: Mike Smith Cc: Andreas Klemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: some woes about rc.conf.site References: <199902072048.MAA07248@dingo.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :> :> What do you think ? Or what are your experiences ? : :I hate it unreservedly. If we need a source of seeded default values, :we should have rc.conf.default, uncommented, read-only. rc.conf is :where people expect to make their changes, and it is immensely bogus to :have sysinstall creating rc.conf.site which is quietly included *after* :everything in rc.conf (so that when someone changes rc.conf, the change :is overridden). : :-- My opinion is that since we have /etc/rc and /etc/rc.local, we might as well use /etc/rc.conf and /etc/rc.conf.local the same way -- that is, just as /etc/rc should not be touched by anyone, neither should /etc/rc.conf be touched by anyone. sysinstall ( and any other GUI configurator ) should mess with /etc/rc.conf.site The user messes with /etc/rc.conf.local Perhaps the problem is that we are simply naming these things badly. Frankly, I would rather get rid of rc.conf.site entirely and just leave rc.conf and rc.conf.local -- and have sysinstall mess with rc.conf.local. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 13:26:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16999 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:26:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.249.129.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA16994 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:26:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA37057; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:25:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199902072125.NAA37057@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Andreas Dobloug cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: thread-package strategy In-reply-to: Your message of "07 Feb 1999 21:19:28 +0100." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 13:25:13 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > You've probably already seen this: > > "Scheduler Activations: Effective Kernel Support for the User-Level > Management of Parallelism." > > And here is the abstract: http://www.acm.org/pubs/toc/Abstracts/0734-2071/146944.html Enjoy, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 13:39:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18594 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:39:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles235.castles.com [208.214.165.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18515; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:38:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07489; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:34:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199902072134.NAA07489@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Kenneth D. Merry" cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), daren@sefcik.cc, obrien@NUXI.com, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: low level format--how?? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Feb 1999 12:24:23 MST." <199902071924.MAA63805@panzer.plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 13:34:00 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The correct answer to "how do you low-level format a SCSI disk under > > FreeBSD" is "if you have to ask, you SHOULD NOT be doing it". It is > > almost never the right thing to do. > > In his case, I think it was. The "medium format corrupted" error message > can generally be fixed by low-level formatting the disk. Hmm, mea culpa; I didn't see/register that message. It would, indeed, indicate that a low-level format was required. Daren, my apologies. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 13:41:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18956 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:41:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (b133.mat.net [206.246.122.133] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18946 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:41:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00340; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:38:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:38:45 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: Matthew Dillon cc: Mike Smith , Andreas Klemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: some woes about rc.conf.site In-Reply-To: <199902072116.NAA26516@apollo.backplane.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > My opinion is that since we have /etc/rc and /etc/rc.local, we might > as well use /etc/rc.conf and /etc/rc.conf.local the same way -- that > is, just as /etc/rc should not be touched by anyone, neither should > /etc/rc.conf be touched by anyone. > > sysinstall ( and any other GUI configurator ) should mess with > /etc/rc.conf.site > > The user messes with /etc/rc.conf.local > > Perhaps the problem is that we are simply naming these things badly. > Frankly, I would rather get rid of rc.conf.site entirely and just leave > rc.conf and rc.conf.local -- and have sysinstall mess with rc.conf.local. You don't think we should have different rc files for admining: 1) local options to system stuff, like setting net stuff, and 2) local ports-oriented options, that control things outside of of the base FreeBSD system? It looks like you don't draw that line, right? ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 13:51:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19992 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:51:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles235.castles.com [208.214.165.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19981 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:51:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07576; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:46:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199902072146.NAA07576@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Matthew Dillon cc: Mike Smith , Andreas Klemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: some woes about rc.conf.site In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Feb 1999 13:16:28 PST." <199902072116.NAA26516@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 13:46:46 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > :> > :> What do you think ? Or what are your experiences ? > : > :I hate it unreservedly. If we need a source of seeded default values, > :we should have rc.conf.default, uncommented, read-only. rc.conf is > :where people expect to make their changes, and it is immensely bogus to > :have sysinstall creating rc.conf.site which is quietly included *after* > :everything in rc.conf (so that when someone changes rc.conf, the change > :is overridden). > : > :-- > > My opinion is that since we have /etc/rc and /etc/rc.local, we might > as well use /etc/rc.conf and /etc/rc.conf.local the same way -- that > is, just as /etc/rc should not be touched by anyone, neither should > /etc/rc.conf be touched by anyone. We have a system-wide convention that *.conf files are parameter files which are to be edited by the administrator. rc.conf is the configuration file for the rc* process. It is not to be confused with the other rc.* files. > sysinstall ( and any other GUI configurator ) should mess with > /etc/rc.conf.site No. > The user messes with /etc/rc.conf.local And no again. You've just introduced an impossible layering problem here; auto-configurator or administrator - who has precedence? If you want more layering, add it yourself, in the file that's meant for adjustment. The fundamental problem here is that rc.conf.site is an unnecessary violation of our established conventions as well as POLA. > Perhaps the problem is that we are simply naming these things badly. > Frankly, I would rather get rid of rc.conf.site entirely and just leave > rc.conf and rc.conf.local -- and have sysinstall mess with rc.conf.local. That's no better. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 14:04:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21945 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 14:04:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phluffy.fks.bt (net25-cust199.pdx.wantweb.net [24.236.25.199]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21940 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 14:04:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from myke@ees.com) Received: from localhost (myke@localhost) by phluffy.fks.bt (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19290; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 14:03:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from myke@ees.com) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 14:03:58 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Holling X-Sender: myke@phluffy.fks.bt To: Vallo Kallaste cc: John Robert LoVerso , FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: Floppy Tape Driver..... In-Reply-To: <19990207230948.A24719@matti.ee> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hmm.. I don't believe this can be true however. I do not program but > I do run current on my workstation, it's just plain interesting thing > to do. Just my opinion. If you're running -current, you should at least be able to apply kernel patches... - Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 14:46:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27851 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 14:46:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pinhead.parag.codegen.com ([207.44.235.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27846 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 14:46:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from parag@cgt.com) Received: from pinhead.parag.codegen.com (parag@localhost.parag.codegen.com [127.0.0.1]) by pinhead.parag.codegen.com (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA51371; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 14:45:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from parag@pinhead.parag.codegen.com) Message-Id: <199902072245.OAA51371@pinhead.parag.codegen.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Matthew Dillon cc: Mike Smith , Andreas Klemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: some woes about rc.conf.site In-Reply-To: Message from Matthew Dillon of "Sun, 07 Feb 1999 13:16:28 PST." <199902072116.NAA26516@apollo.backplane.com> X-Face: =O'Kj74icvU|oS*<7gS/8'\Pbpm}okVj*@UC!IgkmZQAO!W[|iBiMs*|)n*`X ]pW%m>Oz_mK^Gdazsr.Z0/JsFS1uF8gBVIoChGwOy{EK=<6g?aHE`[\S]C]T0Wm X-URL: http://www.codegen.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 14:45:55 -0800 From: Parag Patel Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > My opinion is that since we have /etc/rc and /etc/rc.local, we might > as well use /etc/rc.conf and /etc/rc.conf.local the same way -- that > is, just as /etc/rc should not be touched by anyone, neither should > /etc/rc.conf be touched by anyone. > Matthew Dillon Then why bother having rc.conf in the first place? Just wire in all the defaults straight into /etc/rc and leave rc.conf strictly for overriding the defaults only, and eliminate rc.conf.* entirely. -- Parag Patel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 14:48:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28168 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 14:48:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alcanet.com.au (border.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28163 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 14:48:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@auss2.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <40330>; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:37:44 +1100 Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:47:53 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: NIS woes To: des@flood.ping.uio.no Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: <99Feb8.093744est.40330@border.alcanet.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Tcpdump does not work on PLIP links, Check out http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=7241 This includes fixes for PLIP in lpt.c, but the code in ppbus/if_plip.c looks virtually the same. Note that lpt.c with Bill Fenner's patch did not compile and needed the following additional patch: --- lpt.c.p1 Sun Jul 12 13:38:17 1998 +++ lpt.c Sun Jul 12 21:26:40 1998 @@ -1123,7 +1123,7 @@ m0.m_len = 4; m0.m_data = (char *)⁡ - bpf_mtap(ifp, &m0); + bpf_mtap(&sc->sc_if, &m0); } #endif IF_ENQUEUE(&ipintrq, top); @@ -1191,7 +1191,7 @@ m0.m_len = 4; m0.m_data = (char *)⁡ - bpf_mtap(ifp, &m0); + bpf_mtap(&sc->sc_if, &m0); } #endif IF_ENQUEUE(&ipintrq, top); [I'm not sure why this PR still shows as `feedback']. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 14:50:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28644 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 14:50:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA28634 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 14:50:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA16298; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 17:57:24 -0500 From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199902072257.RAA16298@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: NIS woes To: des@flood.ping.uio.no (Dag-Erling Smorgrav) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 17:57:23 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Dag-Erling Smorgrav" at Feb 7, 99 07:08:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Dag-Erling Smorgrav had to walk into mine and say: > Bill Paul writes: > > Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Dag-Erling > > Smorgrav had to walk into mine and say: > > > Yes to most of the above. Tcpdump does not work on PLIP links, and I > > > do not use IP aliases at all. > > Explain to me how you concluded that tcpdump doesn't work on point to > > point links, or PLIP in particular. Do a 'grep bpf /sys/dev/ppbus/if_plip.c' > > and look at the references to bpf in the output. At the very least, > > it's supposed to work; if it doesn't, then it's a bug. > > It doesn't. Try it out for yourself. It is a bug, and I know > (conceptually) how to fix it, but I really can't be buggered to track Er... I think you mean 'bothered.' > it down and fix it right now. In any case, I am convinced that tcpdump > will not reveal anything of interest. Well I'm not. Being able to see if the NIS client is actually communicating with the server by looking at the actual traffic on the interface would be incredible useful as far as I'm concerned. That aside, I'm very disappointed to hear that this bug is there with a release only a week away. > The netwok connection *works*. > Luna has four NFS file systems mounted from niobe, and I admin luna > using ssh from niobe. Well, lacking any other diagnostic information, I can only offer a couple of shots in the dark: - Is the loopback interface configured correctly? - Broadcasts don't work across point to point links (at least, I don't think so) which makes it hard for ypbind to work properly. I modified ypbind a while back to use a 'multiple unicast' mode instead of broadcast to try to make ypbind work in such an environment, but it has the disadvantage of requiring the client to know the IP addresses of all the NIS servers on the network ahead of time (which defeats the purpose of ypbind, which is to dynamically locate servers). You're supposed to be able to use ypset to get things working initially; I don't know why it would fail, but you can try this: # ypbind -m -S Before you do this, run ypserv in debug mode on niobe and watch for any requests from luna; you should see at least one call to the ypproc_domain or ypproc_domain_nonack procedures. -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ============================================================================= "It is not I who am crazy; it is I who am mad!" - Ren Hoek, "Space Madness" ============================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 15:02:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00389 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 15:02:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles235.castles.com [208.214.165.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00375 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 15:02:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08165; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 14:58:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199902072258.OAA08165@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Archie Cobbs cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), julian@whistle.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KLD confusion.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 03 Feb 1999 12:29:34 PST." <199902032029.MAA25871@bubba.whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 14:58:35 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Mike Smith writes: > > > Take the following scenario: > > > > > > compiled in: module A > > > > > > kldstat -v shows module 'A' > > > > > > kldload A > > > damned thing succeeds. > > > > That's correct. There's a fundamental problem here in that there's a > > confusion between file names and module names. This is a basic flaw in > > the way that KLD was implemented (no offense to Doug; it was initially > > meant to be a better LKM, not necessarily a whole new ball of wax). > > > > I've taken about four different runs at a "right" way of doing this > > subsequently. I think that, with some help and advice from Doug and > > Peter, I'm on the right track now, but there's no hope of it being > > ready for 3.1. > > This may be oversimplifying, but why wouldn't this work: just do > everything at the module level: > > - All dependencies are inter-*module* dependencies. > - Only one *module* with the same name can be loaded at one time. > - KLD files (eg, foo.ko) are simply containers for one or more modules. This is basically what I've been working on. > We'd take the conservative stance on loading: if you tried to > kldload foo.ko, it would fail unless *all* the modules in it were > successfully able to link & load. > > It seems if you just make consistent what the atomic unit of linking > is (is it a file?? it is a module??) then all will be well. We just > have to make sure we have unique names for all modules as we do now > for files. There's a problem here in that the atomic linkage unit (file) is not the same as the atomic identity unit (module). This means that you need to associate information with modules, and then teach everything that's going to try to load files how to read this infomation and apply it to the currently-loaded arrangement. It's all doable; it's just moderately complex and I've not had the time to attack it properly. If this is something of interest/relevance to you and you'd like to take it on, please let me know and I'll dump everything I've been doing and thinking on you and we can talk about it at length. > Now, there remains the problem of how do you find the file foo.ko > containing module "bar", eg, if you want to auto-load dependencies? > For starters, we could just assert that only module "foo" can be > found this way. I was planning on using that as a base rule; Doug (IIRC) suggested an optimisation whereby we'd keep a database of module:file mappings lying around. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 15:13:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02134 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 15:13:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02126 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 15:13:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfieber@fallout.campusview.indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA22219; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 18:13:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 18:13:44 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Andreas Klemm cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: some woes about rc.conf.site In-Reply-To: <19990207170542.A90515@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Andreas Klemm wrote: > What do you think ? Or what are your experiences ? It has caused a lot of grief with my recent install of 3.0-19990205, but I gather I'm supposed to install something later before complaining. The main annoyance has been that running /stand/sysinstall after installation diligently clobbered settings in rc.conf.site...things like default_route, moused_enable, and network_interfaces to name a few of the more frustrating ones. Hopefully that is now fixed. As for for all the debate on the name, if it is supposed to be an untouchable file, the name of rc.conf has GOT to change. rc.defaults, rc.conf.defaults, rc.param or some such, with rc.conf being the one you normally edit and rc.conf.local being sourced for people who need it for some reason. -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 15:14:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02216 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 15:14:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from demo.esys.ca (demo.esys.ca [207.167.22.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02192 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 15:14:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lyndon@execmail.ca) Received: from ht46l.orthanc.ab.ca (thingfish.v-wave.com [24.108.17.129]) by demo.esys.ca (2.0.4/SMS 2.0.4-beta-5) with ESMTP id HAA04316; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:22:39 -0700 From: Lyndon Nerenberg Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:13:48 -0700 To: Parag Patel Subject: Re: some woes about rc.conf.site Cc: Mike Smith , Andreas Klemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG, Matthew Dillon In-Reply-To: <199902072245.OAA51371@pinhead.parag.codegen.com> References: <199902072245.OAA51371@pinhead.parag.codegen.com> Message from Matthew Dillon of "Sun, 07 Feb 1999 13:16:28 PST." <199902072116.NAA26516@apollo.backplane.com> Message-ID: X-Mailer: Execmail for Win32 Version 5.0 pc3 Build (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/signed; BOUNDARY="Part9902072313.B"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Part9902072313.B Content-Type: Text/Plain; CHARSET="US-ASCII"; name="ipm.txt" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="ipm.txt" > Then why bother having rc.conf in the first place? Just wire in all > the defaults straight into /etc/rc and leave rc.conf strictly for > overriding the defaults only, and eliminate rc.conf.* entirely. Because rc.conf contains configuration variables, whereas rc contains commands to execute at boot time. The configuration information stored in rc.conf is applicable to more than just /etc/rc. Splitting out the configuration into a seperate file (rc.conf) means it can be sourced by other utility scripts, such as /etc/rc.firewall. Sourcing /etc/rc to pick up config info would be a disaster. And FWIW, I'm in favour of a read-only rc.conf with machine specific overrides in rc.conf.local. rc.conf.site should vanish. --lyndon --Part9902072313.B Content-Type: Application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.5.2 (C) 1997-1998 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBNr6AnxvgRSChfsw2EQIxTACfXDRpIlJkYnDzN9aMqqEpGoxD0m0AoKYm iBrZDVuazsNhmigkv8DTEwBx =Z895 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Part9902072313.B-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 15:15:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02367 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 15:15:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from niobe.ewox.org (ppp035.uio.no [129.240.240.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02303; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 15:15:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@niobe.ewox.org) Received: (from des@localhost) by niobe.ewox.org (8.9.2/8.9.1) id AAA68765; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:16:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: wpaul@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: nsouch@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Regarding tcpdump and plip In-Reply-To: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 08 Feb 1999 00:16:13 +0100 Message-ID: <86n22pg5z6.fsf@niobe.ewox.org> Lines: 68 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [moving over to -hackers...] As I mentioned in earlier correspondance on -current, tcpdump is broken wrt plip connections. The reason for this is that, as I read the code in src/contrib/libpcap/gencode.c, libpcap expect DLT_NULL- type interfaces to produce a four-byte header with the link type in the first two bytes, whereas the PLIP driver produces a two-byte header consisting solely of the link type. The obvious fix is to patch src/sys/dev/ppbus/if_plip.c to announce and use a four-byte header as libpcap expects it to do; I have attached an untested patch which does this. I'm not sure it's the *correct* fix, however, and I have a hunch that it's only a partial fix since it seems that the plip code does not construct a header for incoming packets - if I am correct, then even with the attached patch tcpdump will only show outgoing packets correctly. I'll toy around with it a little to see if I can confirm or deny my hunch, and/or fix it to work in all cases. On a related note, I was rather surprised, when browsing through the ppbus code, to discover that it is based on an older version of the parallell port code than what was then (and is still) in -CURRENT. What caught my attention was that src/sys/dev/ppbus/nlpt.c still uses the old probe code, instead of the new one I wrote about a year ago, which was integrated in revision 1.66 of src/sys/i386/isa/lpt.c on 1998/02/20. There may be other differences as well, but I did not look too closely. Also, the plip code still causes regular panics. I haven't caught a dump yet because my dump device was misconfigured, but I've had at least two plip-related panics on an otherwise perfectly stable system in the last two weeks. I'll send a backtrace as soon as I have one. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no Index: if_plip.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/dev/ppbus/if_plip.c,v retrieving revision 1.9 diff -u -r1.9 if_plip.c --- if_plip.c 1999/01/30 15:35:39 1.9 +++ if_plip.c 1999/02/07 22:31:42 @@ -123,7 +123,7 @@ #define CLPIP_SHAKE 0x80 /* This bit toggles between nibble reception */ #define MLPIPHDRLEN CLPIPHDRLEN -#define LPIPHDRLEN 2 /* We send 0x08, 0x00 in front of packet */ +#define LPIPHDRLEN 4 /* We send 0x08, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00 in front of packet */ #define LPIP_SHAKE 0x40 /* This bit toggles between nibble reception */ #if !defined(MLPIPHDRLEN) || LPIPHDRLEN > MLPIPHDRLEN #define MLPIPHDRLEN LPIPHDRLEN @@ -743,11 +743,11 @@ * try to free it or keep a pointer to it). */ struct mbuf m0; - u_short hdr = 0x800; + u_char hdr[4] = { 0x08, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00 }; m0.m_next = m; - m0.m_len = 2; - m0.m_data = (char *)&hdr; + m0.m_len = 4; + m0.m_data = (char *)hdr; bpf_mtap(ifp, &m0); } To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 15:19:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02746 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 15:19:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02741; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 15:18:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id AAA89043; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:18:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Peter Jeremy Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NIS woes References: <99Feb8.093744est.40330@border.alcanet.com.au> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 08 Feb 1999 00:18:50 +0100 In-Reply-To: Peter Jeremy's message of "Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:47:53 +1100" Message-ID: Lines: 23 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [moved to -hackers] Peter Jeremy writes: > Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Tcpdump does not work on PLIP links, > Check out http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=7241 > This includes fixes for PLIP in lpt.c, but the code in ppbus/if_plip.c > looks virtually the same. Note that lpt.c with Bill Fenner's patch > did not compile and needed the following additional patch: The first patch in that PR is IMHO incorrect. It introduces a new link type which is identical to DLT_NULL except that it has a two-byte header instead of a four-byte header. In short, it's a big patch that does nothing except break compatibility with other systems that use LBL's bpfilter and libpcap code. The second patch looks quite close to what I had worked out (see my previous post to -hackers), so I'll try it out and commit it if it works. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 16:34:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12854 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:34:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pinhead.parag.codegen.com ([207.44.235.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA12849 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:34:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from parag@cgt.com) Received: from pinhead.parag.codegen.com (parag@localhost.parag.codegen.com [127.0.0.1]) by pinhead.parag.codegen.com (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA51918; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:33:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from parag@pinhead.parag.codegen.com) Message-Id: <199902080033.QAA51918@pinhead.parag.codegen.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Lyndon Nerenberg cc: Mike Smith , Andreas Klemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG, Matthew Dillon Subject: Re: some woes about rc.conf.site In-Reply-To: Message from Lyndon Nerenberg of "Sun, 07 Feb 1999 23:13:48 MST." X-Face: =O'Kj74icvU|oS*<7gS/8'\Pbpm}okVj*@UC!IgkmZQAO!W[|iBiMs*|)n*`X ]pW%m>Oz_mK^Gdazsr.Z0/JsFS1uF8gBVIoChGwOy{EK=<6g?aHE`[\S]C]T0Wm X-URL: http://www.codegen.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 16:33:00 -0800 From: Parag Patel Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Because rc.conf contains configuration variables, whereas rc contains > commands to execute at boot time. Then I would suggest renaming rc.conf to be rc.vars or rc.config-vars or something more appropriate than rc.conf, which like all the other *.conf files is intended for local editing and maintainence. I do like the local overriding feature though. Yesterday I took out all my local rc.conf mods into rc.conf.local and copied in the default /usr/src/etc/rc.conf to /etc. The local mods are much smaller and much more obvious as to what is different from the default setup. -- Parag Patel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 16:44:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14144 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:44:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14128 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:44:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id QAA31109; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:44:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:44:26 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199902080044.QAA31109@apollo.backplane.com> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: medium sized VM commits Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've made a number of medium-sized VM commits today, just FYI: * The PQ_ZERO page queue has been ripped out and its functionality merged into PQ_FREE. The code is functionally the same ( or close to it ), but the kernel is a couple of kilobytes smaller. * MAP_ENTRY_IS_A_MAP has been removed. This code was no longer used and we probably wouldn't use it even if we wanted to do to odd little problems with it before. * vm_page_zero_idle() has been adjusted to handle the PQ_ZERO changes as well as revamped somewhat. I've tried to do the same in the alpha version of it too ( since it is in ARCH/ARCH/machdep.c ) but, obviously, I can't compile up the alpha version. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 17:58:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA24311 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 17:58:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bubba.whistle.com (s205m7.whistle.com [207.76.205.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA24306 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 17:58:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id RAA29718; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 17:57:14 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199902080157.RAA29718@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: KLD confusion.. In-Reply-To: <199902072258.OAA08165@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Feb 7, 99 02:58:35 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 17:57:14 -0800 (PST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith writes: > > This may be oversimplifying, but why wouldn't this work: just do > > everything at the module level: > > > > - All dependencies are inter-*module* dependencies. > > - Only one *module* with the same name can be loaded at one time. > > - KLD files (eg, foo.ko) are simply containers for one or more modules. > > This is basically what I've been working on. > > > We'd take the conservative stance on loading: if you tried to > > kldload foo.ko, it would fail unless *all* the modules in it were > > successfully able to link & load. > > > > It seems if you just make consistent what the atomic unit of linking > > is (is it a file?? it is a module??) then all will be well. We just > > have to make sure we have unique names for all modules as we do now > > for files. > > There's a problem here in that the atomic linkage unit (file) is not > the same as the atomic identity unit (module). > > This means that you need to associate information with modules, and > then teach everything that's going to try to load files how to read > this infomation and apply it to the currently-loaded arrangement. This is where it gets a bit murky for me. I thought you could handle this discrepancy (ie, that likage occurs per file and not per module) by simply asserting that if a KLD file does not completely link, then ALL of the modules in that file are rejected and not loaded. So if you KLD load a file containing a module that's already loaded, or whose symbols cannot be fully resolved, the whold file would be rejected. > It's all doable; it's just moderately complex and I've not had the time > to attack it properly. If this is something of interest/relevance to > you and you'd like to take it on, please let me know and I'll dump > everything I've been doing and thinking on you and we can talk about it > at length. I'd have to educate myself a bit more before attempting this.. :-) > > Now, there remains the problem of how do you find the file foo.ko > > containing module "bar", eg, if you want to auto-load dependencies? > > For starters, we could just assert that only module "foo" can be > > found this way. > > I was planning on using that as a base rule; Doug (IIRC) suggested an > optimisation whereby we'd keep a database of module:file mappings lying > around. That sounds appropriate. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 19:53:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06004 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 19:53:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nhj.nlc.net.au (nhj.nlc.net.au [203.24.133.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA05997 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 19:53:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john.saunders@nlc.net.au) Received: (qmail 9474 invoked by uid 1000); 8 Feb 1999 14:53:03 +1100 Date: 8 Feb 1999 14:53:03 +1100 Message-ID: <19990208035303.9465.qmail@nhj.nlc.net.au> From: "John Saunders" To: Stephen Rose Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Silo overflow messages with 3.0 Release X-Newsgroups: nlc.lists.freebsd-current In-Reply-To: User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980818 ("Laura") (UNIX) (Linux/2.0.37 (i686)) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Try the following patch. Look for a line in /sys/i386/isa/sio.c that looks like: com->fifo_image = t->c_ospeed <= 4800 ? FIFO_ENABLE : FIFO_ENABLE | FIFO_RX_HIGH; Replace FIFO_RX_HIGH with FIFO_RX_MEDH, and if that doesn't work try FIFO_RX_MEDL instead. This patch changes the RX FIFO trigger point from 12 down to 8 (or 4). With it set to 12 the system only has 4 character periods to respond to the IRQ. Normally a Pentium or higher should be able to handle this, however things like SMP or non-DMA mode for your harddisk may hold off interrupts for longer than normal. With it set to 8 there is twice as long to process the IRQ before an overflow occurs. Actually the sio driver should really detect silo overflows and drop the FIFO level a notch automatically. Hmm, if I have some free time I might look into it. The bad side is that this patch increases the IRQ load on the box. Although for a Pentium the serial processing load is a fraction of a percent so double that is still negligable. Cheers. In nlc.lists.freebsd-current you wrote: > I didn't get a response from the questions list, so let's try here. > I've been getting my server ready to switch from FreeBSD 2.2.2 to 3.0 > Release. Everything was going well until I tried to bring my kernel ppp > link up to my isp. I get many silo overflow messages when there's any > activity on the line. The connection doesn't seem very responsive either. > This machine is a dual pentium pro. I've built an smp kernel which seems > to work fine otherwise. I've arranged to build the new system on another > disk so I can easily switch between the 2.2.2 system and the 3.0 system. > Everything works fine with 2.2.2. I've seen many messages in the archive > about silo overflows, but there doesn't seem to be a real solution in > them. Is this ever likely to work or should I just wait for 3.1? > Steve Rose > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message -- -- +------------------------------------------------------------+ . | John Saunders - mailto:john@nlc.net.au (EMail) | ,--_|\ | - http://www.nlc.net.au/ (WWW) | / Oz \ | - 02-9489-4932 or 041-822-3814 (Phone) | \_,--\_/ | NHJ NORTHLINK COMMUNICATIONS - Supplying a professional, | v | and above all friendly, internet connection service. | +------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 19:54:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06314 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 19:54:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from send106.yahoomail.com (send106.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA06308 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 19:54:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from valsho@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19990208035603.9239.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> Received: from [147.226.106.179] by send106.yahoomail.com; Sun, 07 Feb 1999 19:56:03 PST Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 19:56:03 -0800 (PST) From: Valentin Shopov Subject: ld.so and 4.0-CURRENT To: current@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I installed 4.0-19990207-SNAP. It seems ld.so is missing and it's not possible to run dynamicaly linked aout executables. Val _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 20:26:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA09149 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 20:26:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from psf.Pinyon.ORG (ppp1-126.presc.dialup.futureone.com [209.250.11.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA09140 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 20:26:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rcarter@psf.Pinyon.ORG) Received: from psf.Pinyon.ORG (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by psf.Pinyon.ORG (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA09089; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:23:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rcarter@psf.Pinyon.ORG) Message-Id: <199902080423.VAA09089@psf.Pinyon.ORG> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Amancio Hasty cc: Andreas Dobloug , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: thread-package strategy In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Feb 1999 13:25:13 PST." <199902072125.NAA37057@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 21:23:27 -0700 From: "Russell L. Carter" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG %> %> You've probably already seen this: %> %> "Scheduler Activations: Effective Kernel Support for the User-Level %> Management of Parallelism." %> %> %And here is the abstract: % % %http://www.acm.org/pubs/toc/Abstracts/0734-2071/146944.html % And if you want to read the paper, I got my copy last week from a bezerkely CS graduate course home page. No, I don't have the ref handy. Hotbot it yourself. Gosh, next, people will be after Waldspurger's dissertation... That's easier to find. But... hey, these are great things for we among the hoi polloi to be reading. Lots of relevance to multimedia streaming and more mundane things like realtime. Cheers, Russell % Enjoy, % Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 22:55:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA24123 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:55:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA24115 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:55:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from freebsd.cybcon.com (usr1-8.cybcon.com [205.147.76.9]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA16404 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:55:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 22:55:25 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: wwoods@cybcon.com From: William Woods To: FreeBSD Current Subject: make world dies on todayes cvsup............... Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On todays cvsup of -current, I get the following.... ---------------------------------- /usr/local/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:201: dereferencing pointer to incompl ete type /usr/local/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:202: dereferencing pointer to incompl ete type /usr/local/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:203: dereferencing pointer to incompl ete type /usr/local/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:204: dereferencing pointer to incompl ete type /usr/local/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:205: dereferencing pointer to incompl ete type /usr/local/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:206: dereferencing pointer to incompl ete type /usr/local/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c: In function `cvt_semid2isemid': /usr/local/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:214: warning: passing arg 2 of `cvt_p erm2iperm' from incompatible pointer type /usr/local/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c: In function `cvt_isemid2semid': /usr/local/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:227: warning: passing arg 1 of `cvt_i perm2perm' from incompatible pointer type /usr/local/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c: In function `cvt_shmid2ishmid': /usr/local/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:318: warning: passing arg 2 of `cvt_p erm2iperm' from incompatible pointer type /usr/local/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c: In function `cvt_ishmid2shmid': /usr/local/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:335: warning: passing arg 1 of `cvt_i perm2perm' from incompatible pointer type *** Error code 1 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error ------------------------------------------ ideas please. Thanks ---------------------------------- E-Mail: William Woods Date: 07-Feb-99 / Time: 22:53:54 FreeBSD 4.0 -Current ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 23:01:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA24561 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:01:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA24556 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:01:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA00934; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:01:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Valentin Shopov cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ld.so and 4.0-CURRENT In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Feb 1999 19:56:03 PST." <19990208035603.9239.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 23:01:07 -0800 Message-ID: <930.918457267@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Try again with {3,4}.0-19990208 > > I installed 4.0-19990207-SNAP. > It seems ld.so is missing and it's not possible to run dynamicaly > linked aout executables. > > Val > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 00:12:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00790 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:12:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA00778 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:12:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA96079 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:11:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:11:41 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: some woes about rc.conf.site Message-ID: <19990208001141.A95179@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <19990207170542.A90515@titan.klemm.gtn.com> <199902072048.MAA07248@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <199902072048.MAA07248@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 12:48:13PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 12:48:13PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > I hate it unreservedly. If we need a source of seeded default values, > we should have rc.conf.default, uncommented, read-only. rc.conf is > where people expect to make their changes, and it is immensely bogus to > have sysinstall creating rc.conf.site which is quietly included *after* > everything in rc.conf (so that when someone changes rc.conf, the change > is overridden). I hate to be an AOL'er, but I would like to voice agreement with Mike. It seems we are coming very close to violating POLA and a web of stacking. On Sun, Feb 07, 1999, John Fieber wrote: > > As for for all the debate on the name, if it is supposed to be an > untouchable file, the name of rc.conf has GOT to change. IF things are too far along to break from the current path, John is very right that the name has to change. Remember, we changed the name from /etc/sysconfig to /etc/rc.conf due to overwhelming requests from sysadmins for us to be similarly named with other Unixes. People expect to edit /etc/rc.conf. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 02:30:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA15379 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 02:30:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.196.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA15366 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 02:30:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp) Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (IDENT:HLmG6JsgUPhF3da+M5LGQOKaoaai0eaX@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA14300 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:29:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.7.6+2.6Wbeta7/3.4W/zodiac-May96) with ESMTP id TAA14306; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:32:49 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199902081032.TAA14306@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG cc: yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp Subject: man page for syscons(4) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 19:32:48 +0900 From: Kazutaka YOKOTA Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I wrote a draft man page for syscons(4). (It's not as comprehensive as it should be, though.) http://www.freebsd.org/~yokota/syscons.4 Please review the draft and give me some comments. We shall add it to RELENG_3 before 3.1 comes out, if possible. Kazu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 02:47:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA17055 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 02:47:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from solaris.matti.ee (solaris.matti.ee [194.126.98.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA17048 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 02:47:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vallo@myhakas.matti.ee) Received: from myhakas.matti.ee (myhakas.matti.ee [194.126.114.87]) by solaris.matti.ee (8.8.8/8.8.8.s) with ESMTP id MAA17996; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:46:54 +0200 (EET) Received: (from vallo@localhost) by myhakas.matti.ee (8.9.2/8.9.1) id MAA27624; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:46:55 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from vallo) Message-ID: <19990208124655.A27563@matti.ee> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:46:55 +0200 From: Vallo Kallaste To: Mike Holling Cc: FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: Floppy Tape Driver..... Reply-To: vallo@matti.ee References: <19990207230948.A24719@matti.ee> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Mike Holling on Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 02:03:58PM -0800 Organization: =?iso-8859-15?Q?AS_Matti_B=FCrootehnika?= Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 02:03:58PM -0800, Mike Holling wrote: > > Hmm.. I don't believe this can be true however. I do not program but > > I do run current on my workstation, it's just plain interesting thing > > to do. Just my opinion. > > If you're running -current, you should at least be able to apply kernel > patches... Certainly :) I agree completely with your statement, but... once is the first time to do it and you have to ask how to do it. Manual pages are sometimes so hard to understand for beginners, I haven't forgot my first steps yet. Well, I shut up now, it's wrong topic for -current. -- Vallo Kallaste vallo@matti.ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 03:39:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA20822 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 03:39:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Anechka.mtmc.ru ([193.125.214.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA20804; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 03:39:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vlad@mtmc.ru) Received: from mtmc.ru (vlad@Marinka.mtmc.ru [194.220.212.74]) by Anechka.mtmc.ru (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA01025; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:39:52 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <36BECCEB.59411AED@mtmc.ru> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 14:39:23 +0300 From: "Vladimir G. Drobyshevsky" Organization: MTM Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.1.131 i686) X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Boot problems with -CURRENT and -STABLE tree Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hello! I have some critical problems with fbsd. When I try to boot with fbsd install disk (boot.flp), my system is halt. I tried different versions of fbsd from 2.2.8R and 3.0-STABLE till 4.0-CURRENT. I have IBM server, model 8640ES0, with PPro 200, 128 MB RAM, SCSII-adapter AIC-7880 (it was "modified to better" :-/ by IBM's hands), SCSII CD-ROM IBM CDRM00203, 2 SCSII HDD - IBM DCAS-34330W and QUANTUM EMPIRE_1080S I think SCSII driver cannot correct work with my SCSII-adapter, becose system halted after kernel say "Waiting 15 seconds to settle SCSII devices" But some last snaps (by 4,5,6 january) halted my system after uncompressing kernel: it say "Uncompressing kernel...." and freeze computer. I obligate to work with Linux on that server now, but I didn't prefer this OS. Can anybody comment this situation? (sorry for my english :) With best regards, -- Vladimir G. Drobyshevsky system administrator To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 04:33:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA29534 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 04:33:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from octopus.originative.co.uk (originat.demon.co.uk [158.152.220.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA29522 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 04:33:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@originative.co.uk) From: paul@originative.co.uk Received: by octopus with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1KB91B9T>; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:32:10 -0000 Message-ID: To: chris@netmonger.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: was: some woes about rc.conf.site Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:32:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Masto [mailto:chris@netmonger.net] > Sent: 07 February 1999 20:14 > To: current@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: was: some woes about rc.conf.site > > > I haven't used it yet, but I definately think the idea is an > improvement. I hate trying to update /etc after an upgrade.. if it's > been a while, or it's between major versions, it can take a very > significant amount of time. Anything that moves local changes to a > seperate file is a blessing. > > Also, having had sysinstall destroy my /etc/rc.conf on more than one > occasion, I am grateful to not have it touched any more. I don't understand what rc.conf.site buys us, surely sysinstall is just an admin tool for maintaining site specific options in exactly the same way that vi /etc/rc.conf.local would be? I think it's getting overly engineered and we're just chasing our tails. Why can't there be a set of shipped defaults, set in /usr/share that is never touched by local sites and by definition will always be up to date and then have a single file /etc/rc.conf that provides local overrides. Whether you maintain it with sysinstall or vi shouldn't really matter. Paul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 05:35:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA05237 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 05:35:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from krabi.mbp.ee (krabi.mbp.ee [194.204.12.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA05231 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 05:35:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mauri@krabi.mbp.ee) Received: from localhost (mauri@localhost) by krabi.mbp.ee (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA06785 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:35:25 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from mauri@krabi.mbp.ee) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:35:25 +0200 (EET) From: Lauri Laupmaa To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: some woes about rc.conf.site In-Reply-To: <199902072048.MAA07248@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > I hate it unreservedly. If we need a source of seeded default values, > we should have rc.conf.default, uncommented, read-only. rc.conf is Absolutely...agreed! _____________ Lauri Laupmaa ...speaking for myself only... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 07:21:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA18702 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:21:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kt.rim.or.jp (mail.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA18697 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:21:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp) Received: from moon.sky.rim.or.jp (ppp541.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.140.191]) by mail.kt.rim.or.jp (8.8.5/3.6W-RIMNET-98-06-09) with ESMTP id AAA08863; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:21:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from sky.rim.or.jp (earth.sky.rim.or.jp [192.168.1.2]) by moon.sky.rim.or.jp (8.8.8/3.5Wpl4/moon-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA06981; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:21:10 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36BF00E0.93A09683@sky.rim.or.jp> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 00:21:04 +0900 From: Jun Kuriyama X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [ja] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-current CC: Mike Smith Subject: Re: [Call for Review] new ioctl for src/sys/pccard/* References: <199902072023.MAA07111@dingo.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thank you for your comment. Mike Smith wrote: > But this diagram worries me. Does this explicitly disallow physical > removal without a preceeding virtual removal? No. This is for card such as: o Some cards go unstable when it is removed from slot with power on. But turning off the power of that card with this ioctl, this may be going to remove safety. > Just to be clear, I have no objections to that approach, but it's > something that we would want to make very clear if we're going to make > this change. I don't think my sentence is clear explanation. Feel free to make more questions about it. I'll try to explain it. Thanks. -- Jun Kuriyama // kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp // kuriyama@FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 07:23:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA19071 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:23:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kt.rim.or.jp (mail.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA19059 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:23:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp) Received: from moon.sky.rim.or.jp (ppp541.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.140.191]) by mail.kt.rim.or.jp (8.8.5/3.6W-RIMNET-98-06-09) with ESMTP id AAA08912; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:21:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from sky.rim.or.jp (earth.sky.rim.or.jp [192.168.1.2]) by moon.sky.rim.or.jp (8.8.8/3.5Wpl4/moon-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA06977; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:21:05 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36BF00DC.B491EB28@sky.rim.or.jp> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 00:21:00 +0900 From: Jun Kuriyama X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [ja] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-current CC: Nate Williams Subject: Re: [Call for Review] new ioctl for src/sys/pccard/* References: <36BDAD4E.CC8A2452@sky.rim.or.jp> <199902071644.JAA19307@mt.sri.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------67D2CB606CE5B722719048FA" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------67D2CB606CE5B722719048FA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for your comment. Nate Williams wrote: > The patch implementing these changes are adequate in the kernel, but are > incomplete. Yes, I should have attached patch for usr.sbin/pccard/* too. > What about the changes to usr.sbin/pccard/*? With regard > to the power-on modifications, it is necessary to see these changes for > insertion/removal as well as suspend/resume, not to mention the > documentation changes. Hmmm, I'm planning to change pccardc like below. Only functional additions. Could you point out where we should modify with these changes? > ps. I like the new 'beep' ioctl better than the original implementation > in PAO. Thanks. But I've changed only a little from PAO implementation. I like PAO's melodious beep sound (that isn't included in this patch), what you said is this? # Of course, I think that is not "must needed" feature. :-) -- Jun Kuriyama // kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp // kuriyama@FreeBSD.ORG --------------67D2CB606CE5B722719048FA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp; name="pccardc.diff.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="pccardc.diff.txt" Index: pccardc/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.7 diff -u -r1.7 Makefile --- Makefile 1998/02/26 14:36:00 1.7 +++ Makefile 1999/02/08 11:50:25 @@ -5,7 +5,7 @@ # PROG= pccardc NOMAN= noman -SRCS= dumpcis.c enabler.c pccardc.c pccardmem.c printcis.c \ +SRCS= beep.c dumpcis.c enabler.c pccardc.c pccardmem.c power.c printcis.c \ rdattr.c rdmap.c rdreg.c readcis.c wrattr.c wrreg.c CFLAGS+= -I${.CURDIR}/../pccardd Index: pccardc/beep.c =================================================================== RCS file: beep.c diff -N beep.c --- /dev/null Mon Feb 8 20:41:26 1999 +++ beep.c Mon Feb 8 20:49:00 1999 @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +/* + * Copyright (c) 1995 Andrew McRae. All rights reserved. + * + * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without + * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions + * are met: + * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright + * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. + * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright + * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the + * documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. + * 3. The name of the author may not be used to endorse or promote products + * derived from this software without specific prior written permission. + * + * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE AUTHOR ``AS IS'' AND ANY EXPRESS OR + * IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES + * OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. + * IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, + * INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT + * NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, + * DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY + * THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT + * (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF + * THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. + */ + +/* + * Code cleanup, bug-fix and extension + * by Tatsumi Hosokawa + */ + +#ifndef lint +static const char rcsid[] = + "$Id$"; +#endif /* not lint */ + +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include + +#include + +int +beep_main(argc, argv) + int argc; + char *argv[]; +{ + int fd, newstat, valid = 1; + char name[64], *p; + + if (argc != 2) + valid = 0; + if (valid) { + for (p = argv[1]; *p; p++) { + if (!isdigit(*p)) { + valid = 0; + break; + } + } + } + if (!valid) + errx(1, "Usage: %s beep newstat", argv[0]); + + sscanf(argv[1], "%d", &newstat); + sprintf(name, CARD_DEVICE, 0); + fd = open(name, O_RDWR); + if (fd < 0) + err(1, "%s", name); + if (ioctl(fd, PIOCSBEEP, &newstat) < 0) + err(1, "ioctl (PIOCSBEEP)"); + return 0; +} Index: pccardc/pccardc.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/pccardc.c,v retrieving revision 1.7 diff -u -r1.7 pccardc.c --- pccardc.c 1998/02/26 14:36:01 1.7 +++ pccardc.c 1999/02/08 11:51:17 @@ -36,10 +36,12 @@ typedef int (*main_t)(int, char **); #define DECL(foo) int foo(int, char**); +DECL(beep_main); DECL(dumpcis_main); DECL(enabler_main); DECL(help_main); DECL(pccardmem_main); +DECL(power_main); DECL(rdattr_main); DECL(rdmap_main); DECL(rdreg_main); @@ -51,10 +53,12 @@ main_t func; char *help; } subcommands[] = { + { "beep", beep_main, "Beep type" }, { "dumpcis", dumpcis_main, "Prints CIS for all cards" }, { "enabler", enabler_main, "Device driver enabler" }, { "help", help_main, "Prints command summary" }, { "pccardmem", pccardmem_main, "Allocate memory for pccard driver" }, + { "power", power_main, "Power on/off slots" }, { "rdattr", rdattr_main, "Read attribute memory" }, { "rdmap", rdmap_main, "Read pcic mappings" }, { "rdreg", rdreg_main, "Read pcic register" }, Index: pccardc/power.c =================================================================== RCS file: power.c diff -N power.c --- /dev/null Mon Feb 8 20:41:26 1999 +++ power.c Mon Feb 8 20:49:00 1999 @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +/* + * Copyright (c) 1995 Andrew McRae. All rights reserved. + * + * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without + * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions + * are met: + * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright + * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. + * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright + * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the + * documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. + * 3. The name of the author may not be used to endorse or promote products + * derived from this software without specific prior written permission. + * + * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE AUTHOR ``AS IS'' AND ANY EXPRESS OR + * IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES + * OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. + * IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, + * INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT + * NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, + * DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY + * THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT + * (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF + * THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. + */ + +/* + * Code cleanup, bug-fix and extension + * by Tatsumi Hosokawa + */ + +#ifndef lint +static const char rcsid[] = + "$Id$"; +#endif /* not lint */ + +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include + +#include + +int +power_main(argc, argv) + int argc; + char *argv[]; +{ + int fd, i, newstat, valid = 1; + char name[64], *p; + + if (argc != 3) + valid = 0; + for (i = 1; i <= 2; i++) { + if (valid) { + for (p = argv[i]; *p; p++) { + if (!isdigit(*p)) { + valid = 0; + break; + } + } + } + } + if (!valid) + errx(1, "Usage: %s power slot newstat", argv[0]); + + sscanf(argv[2], "%d", &newstat); + sprintf(name, CARD_DEVICE, atoi(argv[1])); + fd = open(name, O_RDWR); + if (fd < 0) + err(1, "%s", name); + newstat = newstat ? 1 : 0; + if (ioctl(fd, PIOCSVIR, &newstat) < 0) + err(1, "ioctl (PIOCSVIR)"); + return 0; +} --------------67D2CB606CE5B722719048FA-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 08:39:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA26541 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:39:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from orthanc.kellogg.nwu.edu (orthanc.kellogg.nwu.edu [129.105.197.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA26536 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:39:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pcox@orthanc.kellogg.nwu.edu) Received: (from pcox@localhost) by orthanc.kellogg.nwu.edu (8.9.2/8.9.1) id KAA10021 for current@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:39:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from pcox) Message-ID: <19990208103932.A9984@kellogg.nwu.edu> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:39:32 -0600 From: Peter Cox To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Identd problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG 'lo all - On Friday, I did a make world from that day's sources. The previous build had been in early December I think. Anyway, once I got the new sources down and compiled I started seeing funny problems with identd (2.8.2) - telnetting to the identd port would work fine, but IRC servers wouldn't allow me to connect - they complained they couldn't talk to identd. I installed 2.8.5 today, and with the -l option in inetd.conf, I saw these messages when trying to connect to an IRC server: Feb 8 10:16:43 orthanc identd[9960]: getbuf: bad address (000001c2 not in f0117580-0xFFC00000) - pfd Anyone have any insight? Thanks, Peter -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Cox - Systems Administrator, Phone: (847) 467 1842 Kellogg Graduate School of Management, Fax: (847) 467 3500 Northwestern University. Email: p-cox@nwu.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Protozoa are small, and bacteria are small, but viruses are smaller than the both put together." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 08:50:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27463 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:50:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA27454 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:50:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA09541; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:50:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA22606; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:50:20 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:50:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199902081650.JAA22606@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Jun Kuriyama Cc: FreeBSD-current , Nate Williams Subject: Re: [Call for Review] new ioctl for src/sys/pccard/* In-Reply-To: <36BF00DC.B491EB28@sky.rim.or.jp> References: <36BDAD4E.CC8A2452@sky.rim.or.jp> <199902071644.JAA19307@mt.sri.com> <36BF00DC.B491EB28@sky.rim.or.jp> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Nate Williams wrote: > > The patch implementing these changes are adequate in the kernel, but are > > incomplete. > > Yes, I should have attached patch for usr.sbin/pccard/* too. The changes to pccardd to support the new 'inactive' flag are still missing. We can power the slot on/off, but pccardd is unaware of these changes. Doesn't it need to be aware of the new 'power' state? Nate > > ps. I like the new 'beep' ioctl better than the original implementation > > in PAO. > > Thanks. But I've changed only a little from PAO implementation. I like > PAO's melodious beep sound (that isn't included in this patch), what you > said is this? Right. Last I looked at PAO the pccard code had modifications all over the kernel. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 09:46:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04047 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:46:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [194.77.0.18] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04040 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:46:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: from klemm.gtn.com (pppak04.gtn.com [194.231.123.169]) by picalon.gun.de (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA23019; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:46:28 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id SAA37762; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:38:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:38:57 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: Parag Patel Cc: Lyndon Nerenberg , Mike Smith , Andreas Klemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG, Matthew Dillon Subject: Re: some woes about rc.conf.site Message-ID: <19990208183857.A37441@titan.klemm.gtn.com> References: <199902080033.QAA51918@pinhead.parag.codegen.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <199902080033.QAA51918@pinhead.parag.codegen.com>; from Parag Patel on Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 04:33:00PM -0800 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 04:33:00PM -0800, Parag Patel wrote: > > Because rc.conf contains configuration variables, whereas rc contains > > commands to execute at boot time. > > Then I would suggest renaming rc.conf to be rc.vars or rc.config-vars > or something more appropriate than rc.conf, which like all the other > *.conf files is intended for local editing and maintainence. > > I do like the local overriding feature though. Yesterday I took out > all my local rc.conf mods into rc.conf.local and copied in the default > /usr/src/etc/rc.conf to /etc. The local mods are much smaller and much > more obvious as to what is different from the default setup. I think rc.conf and nothing else wasn't that bad. rc.conf was a _reference_ for all possible settings and easy manageable. And mergemaster is an excellent tool, to update it on demand. -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 09:58:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05313 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:58:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bubba.whistle.com (s205m7.whistle.com [207.76.205.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05307 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:58:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id JAA26964; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:57:48 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199902081757.JAA26964@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: imgact_shell.c ENOEXEC In-Reply-To: <14012.34942.338695.378661@avalon.east> from Tony Kimball at "Feb 6, 99 12:39:21 pm" To: alk@pobox.com Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:57:48 -0800 (PST) Cc: zach@uffdaonline.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tony Kimball writes: > : Imagine this: > : > : $ file /tmp/test.sh > : /tmp/test.sh: a /tmp/test.sh script text > : $ /tmp/test.sh > > Won't this just fail when the recursion level is such that > the command length exceeds stringspace? > > Ah, I see the difference: > /* > * Copy to end of token. No need to watch stringspace > * because this is at the front of the string buffer > * and the maximum shell command length is tiny. > */ > > Very bogus. So file a PR, preferably with patches.. :-) Seriously, it's good to take note of little things like this.. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 10:19:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07929 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:19:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07923 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:19:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA02887; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:19:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: John Fieber cc: Andreas Klemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: some woes about rc.conf.site In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Feb 1999 18:13:44 EST." Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 10:19:24 -0800 Message-ID: <2884.918497964@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hopefully that is now fixed. It is. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 12:51:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29324 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:51:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29314; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:51:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA18993; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:51:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA44802; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:51:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 12:51:47 -0800 (PST) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: HEADS UP: CVSup "SetAttrs" messages Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Replies to current@freebsd.org only, please. I am doing some final beta testing before releasing a new version of CVSup. When you run your next CVSup update from a FreeBSD mirror site, you may find that it spews out a whole bunch of "SetAttrs" messages. Or, maybe not. :-) It depends on a lot of things. Anyway, don't be alarmed. The new version is stricter about the way it preserves file permissions. The first time you update from a server using the new version, it may do a lot of SetAttrs to correct the information in its "checkouts" files. You won't see it again on subsequent updates. Replies to current@freebsd.org only, please. John --- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." -- H. L. Mencken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 13:40:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA07634 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:40:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bubba.whistle.com (s205m7.whistle.com [207.76.205.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07595 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:39:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id NAA28267; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:39:15 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199902082139.NAA28267@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: SKIP on 3.0 ? lkm vs kld = SOL ? In-Reply-To: <36bba2d1.455362426@mail.sentex.net> from Mike Tancsa at "Feb 6, 99 02:05:47 am" To: mike@sentex.net (Mike Tancsa) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:39:15 -0800 (PST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Tancsa writes: > OK, looking back at some of the threads, it seems I am hosed since the ELF > cannot load klds ? Is that correct ? > > Are there any other options for VPN on the 3.0 branch ? SKIP wasnt/isnt > the greatest, but I had decent luck with it on the 2.2 branch of things... I hope to get the SKIP port converted from a LKM to a KLD soon.. but it will be a couple of weeks at best. In the meantime I'd suggest staying with 2.2.x for now.. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 14:25:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA15870 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:25:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freya.circle.net (freya.circle.net [209.95.95.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA15797 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:25:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tcobb@staff.circle.net) From: tcobb@staff.circle.net Received: by freya.circle.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1PTHK08C>; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:24:30 -0500 Message-ID: To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Tracking a Fatal Double Fault Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:24:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can someone please give me a short guide on how to track down a fatal double fault? System is 3.0-19990205-STABLE, and I've written down the fault info. Thanks, -Troy Cobb Circle Net, Inc. http://www.circle.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 14:34:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16161 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:28:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16156 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:28:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA09556 for current@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:28:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:28:20 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: current@freebsd.org Subject: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Message-ID: <19990208142820.A9457@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am planning on adding the Wide-DHCP client to src/contrib/ and src/sbin/ in a few days. I have it bmaked and ready go to. I have choosen the WIDE client because it is much smaller space-wise than the ISC client and its configuration is simplier. The plan is to make a boot floppy / boot CDROM with a DHCP client on it. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 15:14:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21973 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:14:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep2-orange.clear.net.nz (fep2-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21958; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:14:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jabley@buddha.clear.net.nz) Received: from buddha.clear.net.nz (buddha.clear.net.nz [192.168.24.106]) by fep2-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.9) with ESMTP id MAA12661; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:14:36 +1300 (NZDT) Received: (from jabley@localhost) by buddha.clear.net.nz (8.9.2/8.9.1) id MAA81575; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:14:36 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from jabley) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:14:36 +1300 From: Joe Abley To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, jabley@clear.co.nz Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Message-ID: <19990209121436.A81558@clear.co.nz> References: <19990208142820.A9457@relay.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <19990208142820.A9457@relay.nuxi.com>; from David O'Brien on Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 02:28:20PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 02:28:20PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > I am planning on adding the Wide-DHCP client to src/contrib/ and > src/sbin/ in a few days. > > I have it bmaked and ready go to. I have choosen the WIDE client because > it is much smaller space-wise than the ISC client and its configuration > is simplier. > > The plan is to make a boot floppy / boot CDROM with a DHCP client on it. Content-Type: text/applause Yaay! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 15:17:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22192 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:17:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from paert.tse-online.de (paert.tse-online.de [194.97.69.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA22184 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:17:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ab@paert.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 27598 invoked by uid 1000); 8 Feb 1999 23:17:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:17:30 +0100 From: Andreas Braukmann To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Message-ID: <19990209001730.E1047@paert.tse-online.de> References: <19990208142820.A9457@relay.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <19990208142820.A9457@relay.nuxi.com>; from David O'Brien on Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 02:28:20PM -0800 Organization: TSE TeleService GmbH Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 02:28:20PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > I am planning on adding the Wide-DHCP client to src/contrib/ and > src/sbin/ in a few days. speaking about DHCP-things (clients and servers) I would like to hear from some 'export' on choosing a the 'right' dhcp-software for FreeBSD. I'm mostly interested in choosing the server part. In the past I deployed only the wide-dhcp server from the ports collection; but only because I somehow decided to test the wide-dhcp before the isc one. A few days ago I had a look (triggered by a piece of samba documentation) at isc-dhcp and found the configuration syntax somewhat more user friendly. Are there any really hard facts on how to decide? > The plan is to make a boot floppy / boot CDROM with a DHCP client on it. fine. Kind regards, Andreas -- : TSE TeleService GmbH : Gsf: Arne Reuter : : : Hovestrasse 14 : Andreas Braukmann : We do it with : : D-48351 Everswinkel : HRB: 1430, AG WAF : FreeBSD/SMP : :--------------------------------------------------------------------: : PGP-Key: http://www.tse-online.de/~ab/public-key : : Key fingerprint: 12 13 EF BC 22 DD F4 B6 3C 25 C9 06 DC D3 45 9B : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 15:18:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22292 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:18:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA22286; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:18:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.9.2/8.9.1) id PAA63547; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:19:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk) From: Steve Kargl Message-Id: <199902082319.PAA63547@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <19990209121436.A81558@clear.co.nz> from Joe Abley at "Feb 9, 1999 12:14:36 pm" To: jabley@clear.co.nz (Joe Abley) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:19:12 -0800 (PST) Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG, jabley@clear.co.nz X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Joe Abley wrote: > On Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 02:28:20PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > I am planning on adding the Wide-DHCP client to src/contrib/ and > > src/sbin/ in a few days. > > > > I have it bmaked and ready go to. I have choosen the WIDE client because > > it is much smaller space-wise than the ISC client and its configuration > > is simplier. > > > > The plan is to make a boot floppy / boot CDROM with a DHCP client on it. > > Content-Type: text/applause > Content-Type: text/BLOAT These should be left has ports. -- Steve finger kargl@troutmask.apl.washington.edu http://troutmask.apl.washington.edu/~clesceri/kargl.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 15:21:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22535 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:21:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phluffy.fks.bt (net25-cust199.pdx.wantweb.net [24.236.25.199]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA22530 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:21:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from myke@ees.com) Received: from localhost (myke@localhost) by phluffy.fks.bt (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA22313; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:21:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from myke@ees.com) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:21:35 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Holling X-Sender: myke@phluffy.fks.bt To: Andreas Braukmann cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <19990209001730.E1047@paert.tse-online.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > speaking about DHCP-things (clients and servers) I would like to > hear from some 'export' on choosing a the 'right' dhcp-software > for FreeBSD. > I'm mostly interested in choosing the server part. In the past I > deployed only the wide-dhcp server from the ports collection; but > only because I somehow decided to test the wide-dhcp before the isc one. > > A few days ago I had a look (triggered by a piece of samba documentation) > at isc-dhcp and found the configuration syntax somewhat more user friendly. > > Are there any really hard facts on how to decide? FWIW, I've integrated both the WIDE DHCP client and server pieces into a PicoBSD image. I started out trying with ISC, but WIDE ended up being much easier to deal with. The ISC server does have a nicer configuration syntax, but the WIDE client is easier to get going with. - Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 15:42:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24467 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:42:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pcnet1.pcnet.com (pcnet1.pcnet.com [204.213.232.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24453; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:42:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eischen@vigrid.com) Received: (from eischen@localhost) by pcnet1.pcnet.com (8.8.7/PCNet) id SAA04278; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:41:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:41:45 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Eischen Message-Id: <199902082341.SAA04278@pcnet1.pcnet.com> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I am planning on adding the Wide-DHCP client to src/contrib/ and > src/sbin/ in a few days. > > I have it bmaked and ready go to. I have choosen the WIDE client because > it is much smaller space-wise than the ISC client and its configuration > is simplier. I tried both, and I must say that ISC was easier to use and configure. It also seems to work better, at least as a server. I couldn't get Wide-DHCP to work, but it's been a while since I tried though... I don't know why you think the termcap-type configuration is easier to understand than ISCs configuration :-) Dan Eischen eischen@vigrid.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 15:59:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26236 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:59:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26231 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:59:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01476; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:55:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199902082355.PAA01476@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: tcobb@staff.circle.net cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tracking a Fatal Double Fault In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Feb 1999 17:24:29 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 15:55:14 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Can someone please give me a short guide > on how to track down a fatal double fault? > System is 3.0-19990205-STABLE, and I've written > down the fault info. Ack. It's actually pretty difficult. You can start by trying to locate the PC for the fault in the kernel image, but the typical cause of a double fault is running out of kernel stack. Are you running any custom kernel code? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 16:05:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28651 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:05:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from niobe.ewox.org (ppp087.uio.no [129.240.240.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28642 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:05:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@niobe.ewox.org) Received: (from des@localhost) by niobe.ewox.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id AAA26186; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:29:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: gpib driver - does anybody use it? From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 09 Feb 1999 00:29:07 +0100 Message-ID: <863e4g4gqk.fsf@niobe.ewox.org> Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I stumbled upon the (undocumented) gpib driver today - apparently for the "National Instruments AT-GPIB and AT-GPIB/TNT board", according to LINT. Apart from staticization sweeps, -Wall fixes and the like, nobody's touched it since 1995. Does anybody have an AT-GPIB board, or even know what it is? Does the driver actually work? Is there a good reason (or any reason at all) why we shouldn't just bobbit it? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 16:13:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00280 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:13:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freya.circle.net (freya.circle.net [209.95.95.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00269 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:13:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tcobb@staff.circle.net) From: tcobb@staff.circle.net Received: by freya.circle.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1PTHK00A>; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:12:13 -0500 Message-ID: To: mike@smith.net.au Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Tracking a Fatal Double Fault Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:12:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The machine is running a custom kernel, but nothing very unusual. My instinct is that it may be related to something with the 3c905B 3COM cards that I reported earlier, I'm trying with Intel EtherExpresses right now and getting no fault problems. The double-fault does not occur consistently, unfortunately, and typically only occurs during my rc.local stuff (loading a bunch (100+) of chrooted daemons) on boot-up. Would the eip/esp/ebp values be worth sending? -Troy Cobb Circle Net, Inc. http://www.circle.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Smith [mailto:mike@smith.net.au] > Sent: Monday, February 08, 1999 6:55 PM > To: tcobb@staff.circle.net > Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Tracking a Fatal Double Fault > > > > Can someone please give me a short guide > > on how to track down a fatal double fault? > > System is 3.0-19990205-STABLE, and I've written > > down the fault info. > > Ack. It's actually pretty difficult. You can start by trying to > locate the PC for the fault in the kernel image, but the > typical cause > of a double fault is running out of kernel stack. > > Are you running any custom kernel code? > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 16:13:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00322 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:13:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00317 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:13:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01580; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:08:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199902090008.QAA01580@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it? In-reply-to: Your message of "09 Feb 1999 00:29:07 +0100." <863e4g4gqk.fsf@niobe.ewox.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 16:08:40 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I stumbled upon the (undocumented) gpib driver today - apparently for > the "National Instruments AT-GPIB and AT-GPIB/TNT board", according to > LINT. Apart from staticization sweeps, -Wall fixes and the like, > nobody's touched it since 1995. Does anybody have an AT-GPIB board, or > even know what it is? Does the driver actually work? Is there a good > reason (or any reason at all) why we shouldn't just bobbit it? Yes, Yes, Yes, not yet, as the replacement's not ready. John Galbraith was working on a replacement; I haven't heard from him for a while now, but I know he had some very happy beta-testers in the field. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 16:13:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00395 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:13:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lambic.physics.montana.edu (lambic.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00381 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:13:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from handy@lambic.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (handy@localhost) by lambic.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA24669; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:13:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from handy@lambic.physics.montana.edu) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:13:42 -0700 (MST) From: Brian Handy To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it? In-Reply-To: <863e4g4gqk.fsf@niobe.ewox.org> Message-ID: X-files: The truth is out there MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I stumbled upon the (undocumented) gpib driver today - apparently for >the "National Instruments AT-GPIB and AT-GPIB/TNT board", according to >LINT. Apart from staticization sweeps, -Wall fixes and the like, >nobody's touched it since 1995. Does anybody have an AT-GPIB board, or >even know what it is? I don't have one, but I know what these are. It's an interface for talking to lab equipment like voltmeters, scanners, all sort of stuff. All this "stuff" of course has to have a GPIB interface as well, but it gets used a lot by those types of people. If I worked in a lab, I'd almost assuredly be using the driver. No idea if it works. >Is there a good reason (or any reason at all) why we shouldn't just >bobbit it? It kills me to watch this go, but the surest way to bring a maintainer out of the woodwork is to kill it. :-) If I still used this stuff, I think this would be a *great* project to call my own. Deep sigh. But it's all in the CVS tree, so if someone pops up, hey the stuff is still there for the resurrection. Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 16:14:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00563 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:14:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00555; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:14:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id BAA98896; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 01:14:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Steve Kargl Cc: jabley@clear.co.nz (Joe Abley), obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ References: <199902082319.PAA63547@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 09 Feb 1999 01:14:37 +0100 In-Reply-To: Steve Kargl's message of "Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:19:12 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve Kargl writes: > > On Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 02:28:20PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > > I am planning on adding the Wide-DHCP client to src/contrib/ and > > > src/sbin/ in a few days. > [...] > These should be left has ports. If we want FreeBSD to have any credibility as a workstation OS, we need DHCP. It should be possible for a user or admin to smack in the boot floppy, have it autoconfigure the selected network interface, and perform an FTP installation. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 16:20:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01158 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:20:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01152 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:20:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01652; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:16:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199902090016.QAA01652@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: tcobb@staff.circle.net cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tracking a Fatal Double Fault In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Feb 1999 19:12:11 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 16:16:52 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The machine is running a custom kernel, but nothing > very unusual. My instinct is that it may be related to > something with the 3c905B 3COM cards that I reported > earlier, I'm trying with Intel EtherExpresses right now > and getting no fault problems. > > The double-fault does not occur consistently, unfortunately, > and typically only occurs during my rc.local stuff (loading > a bunch (100+) of chrooted daemons) on boot-up. > > Would the eip/esp/ebp values be worth sending? They're meaningless without your kernel, but even then all you're going to be able to tell is where in the fault handler things died; you won't know the address of the original fault. There's nothing immediately obvious in the xl driver that would suggest that it uses excessive kernel stack either. 8( Maybe someone has some clues on measuring stack usage (or simply on how to increase the kernel stack allocation...). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 16:21:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01231 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:21:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01222 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:21:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.9.2/8.9.1) id QAA63814; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:22:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk) From: Steve Kargl Message-Id: <199902090022.QAA63814@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it? In-Reply-To: <863e4g4gqk.fsf@niobe.ewox.org> from Dag-Erling Smorgrav at "Feb 9, 1999 0:29: 7 am" To: des@flood.ping.uio.no (Dag-Erling Smorgrav) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:22:05 -0800 (PST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > I stumbled upon the (undocumented) gpib driver today - apparently for > the "National Instruments AT-GPIB and AT-GPIB/TNT board", according to > LINT. Apart from staticization sweeps, -Wall fixes and the like, > nobody's touched it since 1995. Does anybody have an AT-GPIB board, or > even know what it is? Does the driver actually work? Is there a good > reason (or any reason at all) why we shouldn't just bobbit it? > Actually, John Galbraith has written a better driver for the National Instrument GPIB cards. Search the hardware mailing list for a URL to his latest driver. It is reported to be superior to the driver in src/sys. -- Steve finger kargl@troutmask.apl.washington.edu http://troutmask.apl.washington.edu/~clesceri/kargl.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 16:27:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01637 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:27:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01628 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:27:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id BAA98985; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 01:26:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Steve Kargl Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, john@ece.arizona.edu Subject: Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it? References: <199902090022.QAA63814@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 09 Feb 1999 01:26:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: Steve Kargl's message of "Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:22:05 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve Kargl writes: > Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > I stumbled upon the (undocumented) gpib driver today [...] > Actually, John Galbraith has written > a better driver for the National Instrument GPIB cards. Search > the hardware mailing list for a URL to his latest driver. It > is reported to be superior to the driver in src/sys. Then why haven't we imported it yet? send-pr that baby and drop me a note, and I'll look into it. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 16:32:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02122 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:32:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02113; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:32:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.9.2/8.9.1) id QAA63869; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:32:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk) From: Steve Kargl Message-Id: <199902090032.QAA63869@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: from Dag-Erling Smorgrav at "Feb 9, 1999 1:14:37 am" To: des@flood.ping.uio.no (Dag-Erling Smorgrav) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:32:39 -0800 (PST) Cc: jabley@clear.co.nz, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Steve Kargl writes: > > > On Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 02:28:20PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > > > I am planning on adding the Wide-DHCP client to src/contrib/ and > > > > src/sbin/ in a few days. > > [...] > > These should be left has ports. > > If we want FreeBSD to have any credibility as a workstation OS, we > need DHCP. It should be possible for a user or admin to smack in the > boot floppy, have it autoconfigure the selected network interface, and > perform an FTP installation. > So, we'll import a pop server, apache, g77, ad nauseam to increase the credibility of FreeBSD as a workstation OS. -- Steve finger kargl@troutmask.apl.washington.edu http://troutmask.apl.washington.edu/~clesceri/kargl.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 16:34:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02500 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:34:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02491 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:34:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA16151; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:28:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpdi16141; Tue Feb 9 00:28:17 1999 Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:28:13 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Brian Handy cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Judging by the traffic on it over the last year it's in use widely. On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Brian Handy wrote: > >I stumbled upon the (undocumented) gpib driver today - apparently for > >the "National Instruments AT-GPIB and AT-GPIB/TNT board", according to > >LINT. Apart from staticization sweeps, -Wall fixes and the like, > >nobody's touched it since 1995. Does anybody have an AT-GPIB board, or > >even know what it is? > > I don't have one, but I know what these are. It's an interface for > talking to lab equipment like voltmeters, scanners, all sort of stuff. > All this "stuff" of course has to have a GPIB interface as well, but it > gets used a lot by those types of people. If I worked in a lab, I'd > almost assuredly be using the driver. No idea if it works. > > >Is there a good reason (or any reason at all) why we shouldn't just > >bobbit it? > > It kills me to watch this go, but the surest way to bring a maintainer out > of the woodwork is to kill it. :-) If I still used this stuff, I think > this would be a *great* project to call my own. Deep sigh. But it's all > in the CVS tree, so if someone pops up, hey the stuff is still there for > the resurrection. > > > Brian > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 16:34:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02609 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:34:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02604 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:34:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from localhost (5045 bytes) by rip.psg.com via sendmail with P:stdio/R:inet_resolve/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:34:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #1 built 1998-Oct-13) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:34:54 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: buildworld failure in /usr/src/sys/i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG 4.0 -current touch opt_spx_hack.h cc -O -pipe -DCOMPAT_IBCS2 -DKERNEL -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc -I- -I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/@ -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_errno.c cc -O -pipe -DCOMPAT_IBCS2 -DKERNEL -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc -I- -I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/@ -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:58: warning: `struct ibcs2_ipc_perm' declared inside parameter list /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:58: warning: its scope is only this definition or declaration, /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:58: warning: which is probably not what you want. /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:59: warning: `struct ibcs2_ipc_perm' declared inside parameter list /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c: In function `cvt_msqid2imsqid': /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:71: warning: passing arg 2 of `cvt_perm2iperm' from incompatible pointer type /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c: In function `cvt_imsqid2msqid': /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:90: warning: passing arg 1 of `cvt_iperm2perm' from incompatible pointer type /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c: In function `cvt_iperm2perm': /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:185: argument `ipp' doesn't match prototype /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:59: prototype declaration /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:186: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:187: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:188: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:189: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:190: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:191: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:192: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c: In function `cvt_perm2iperm': /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:199: argument `ipp' doesn't match prototype /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:58: prototype declaration /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:200: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:201: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:202: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:203: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:204: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:205: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:206: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c: In function `cvt_semid2isemid': /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:214: warning: passing arg 2 of `cvt_perm2iperm' from incompatible pointer type /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c: In function `cvt_isemid2semid': /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:227: warning: passing arg 1 of `cvt_iperm2perm' from incompatible pointer type /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c: In function `cvt_shmid2ishmid': /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:318: warning: passing arg 2 of `cvt_perm2iperm' from incompatible pointer type /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c: In function `cvt_ishmid2shmid': /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:335: warning: passing arg 1 of `cvt_iperm2perm' from incompatible pointer type *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 16:35:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02744 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:35:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02737 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:35:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.9.2/8.9.1) id QAA63896; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:36:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk) From: Steve Kargl Message-Id: <199902090036.QAA63896@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it? In-Reply-To: from Dag-Erling Smorgrav at "Feb 9, 1999 1:26:49 am" To: des@flood.ping.uio.no (Dag-Erling Smorgrav) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:36:01 -0800 (PST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, john@ece.arizona.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Steve Kargl writes: > > Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > I stumbled upon the (undocumented) gpib driver today [...] > > Actually, John Galbraith has written > > a better driver for the National Instrument GPIB cards. Search > > the hardware mailing list for a URL to his latest driver. It > > is reported to be superior to the driver in src/sys. > > Then why haven't we imported it yet? send-pr that baby and drop me a > note, and I'll look into it. > I may have been one of the few people testing for John of -current (pre 3.0-RELEASE), but the machine I was using has developed CPU, memory, and disk problems. I have not had a chance to (stress) the driver, yet. -- Steve finger kargl@troutmask.apl.washington.edu http://troutmask.apl.washington.edu/~clesceri/kargl.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 16:42:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA03519 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:42:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from magpie.ece.arizona.edu (magpie.ece.arizona.edu [150.135.4.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03508 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:42:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@magpie.ece.arizona.edu) Received: (from john@localhost) by magpie.ece.arizona.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04115; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:44:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from john) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:44:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199902090044.RAA04115@magpie.ece.arizona.edu> From: John Galbraith MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Subject: Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it? CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <199902090022.QAA63814@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: > Steve Kargl writes: > > Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > I stumbled upon the (undocumented) gpib driver today [...] > > Actually, John Galbraith has written > > a better driver for the National Instrument GPIB cards. Search > > the hardware mailing list for a URL to his latest driver. It > > is reported to be superior to the driver in src/sys. > > Then why haven't we imported it yet? send-pr that baby and drop me a > note, and I'll look into it. > The last version I posted can be found at www.ece.arizona.edu:/~john. I have been using it quite extensively for the last few months on a 2.2.6 machine. Mostly it has been small transfers, so I haven't been using it at heavy load. It appears to be quite stable under those conditions. I have tested it on another 3.0 machine, but I haven't been using it for real work. I made some extensive changes in order to support catching SRQ's using the poll() mechanism. I almost have it, but there was one thing that I couldn't get to work, so I haven't posted it yet. The version on the web page is the one I am actually using, along with a bunch of documentation. John -- John Galbraith email: john@ece.arizona.edu University of Arizona, home phone: (520) 327-6074 Los Alamos National Laboratory work phone: (520) 626-6277 home page: www.ece.arizona.edu:/~john "As had been true historically, Gates' concern was not making great products, but keeping the world locked into using his products." --- Wendy Goldman Rohm, The Microsoft File To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 16:42:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA03536 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:42:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (b133.mat.net [206.246.122.133] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03509 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:42:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA34710; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:40:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:40:12 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: Mike Smith cc: tcobb@staff.circle.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tracking a Fatal Double Fault In-Reply-To: <199902090016.QAA01652@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > > The machine is running a custom kernel, but nothing > > very unusual. My instinct is that it may be related to > > something with the 3c905B 3COM cards that I reported > > earlier, I'm trying with Intel EtherExpresses right now > > and getting no fault problems. > > > > The double-fault does not occur consistently, unfortunately, > > and typically only occurs during my rc.local stuff (loading > > a bunch (100+) of chrooted daemons) on boot-up. > > > > Would the eip/esp/ebp values be worth sending? > > They're meaningless without your kernel, but even then all you're going > to be able to tell is where in the fault handler things died; you won't > know the address of the original fault. > > There's nothing immediately obvious in the xl driver that would suggest > that it uses excessive kernel stack either. 8( Maybe someone has some > clues on measuring stack usage (or simply on how to increase the kernel > stack allocation...). While you guys are on this subject, I'd like to sneak in a question on a subject that's close by. A while back, I had a kernel problem, and went about finding out how to use kgdb and kernel dumps. Unfortunately, by the time I was completely ready to do it, the problem (you guys remember the GPL_MATH_EMULATE thing?) went away. Just for grins, I'd like to force a kernel dump, so I can go the rest of the way in making sure my test setup works, and I can get more used to it. What's the safest way to force a kernel dump (hopefully without screwing filesystems)? ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 16:42:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA03560 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:42:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freya.circle.net (freya.circle.net [209.95.95.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03549 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:42:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tcobb@staff.circle.net) From: tcobb@staff.circle.net Received: by freya.circle.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1PTHK00W>; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:41:54 -0500 Message-ID: To: mike@smith.net.au Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Tracking a Fatal Double Fault Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:41:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG So a double-fault is always a kernel stack problem? I find it suspicious that this same machine also had trouble with the 3c905B flaking out -- dropping packets during an ifconfig alias, and sometimes never reactivating the interface according to what tcpdump shows. The 3c905B problem repeates itself on EVERY machine that I've them installed into (7 or so), the double-faults are infrequent on some of the busier machines, and almost always during the initial boot process. -Troy Cobb Circle Net, Inc. http://www.circle.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Smith [mailto:mike@smith.net.au] > There's nothing immediately obvious in the xl driver that > would suggest > that it uses excessive kernel stack either. 8( Maybe > someone has some > clues on measuring stack usage (or simply on how to > increase the kernel > stack allocation...). > > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 16:42:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA03595 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:42:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03587; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:42:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id BAA99072; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 01:42:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Steve Kargl Cc: jabley@clear.co.nz, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ References: <199902090032.QAA63869@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 09 Feb 1999 01:42:48 +0100 In-Reply-To: Steve Kargl's message of "Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:32:39 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve Kargl writes: > Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > If we want FreeBSD to have any credibility as a workstation OS, we > > need DHCP. It should be possible for a user or admin to smack in the > > boot floppy, have it autoconfigure the selected network interface, and > > perform an FTP installation. > So, we'll import a pop server, apache, g77, ad nauseam > to increase the credibility of FreeBSD as a workstation OS. None of these are necessary on an average workstation. DHCP is becoming more and more common. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 16:48:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04240 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:48:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA04234 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:48:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA20458 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:47:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:47:05 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199902090047.QAA20458@pau-amma.whistle.com> Subject: Re: some woes about rc.conf.site Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199902072048.MAA07248@dingo.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 12:48:13 -0800 >From: Mike Smith >> What do you think ? Or what are your experiences ? >I hate it unreservedly. If we need a source of seeded default values, >we should have rc.conf.default, uncommented, read-only. rc.conf is >where people expect to make their changes, and it is immensely bogus to >have sysinstall creating rc.conf.site which is quietly included *after* >everything in rc.conf (so that when someone changes rc.conf, the change >is overridden). I confess that I experienced what sure felt like a POLA violation when I set up a system with a recent 3.0-SNAP (from about 01 February or so): Since it was on a scratch box, I did a fresh install. But I wanted to see what it would take to make the box "play nice" on our internal Engineering network. So immediately after sysinstall finished, and I told the system to boot single-user (since sysinstall doesn't seem to provide a way to specify the NIS domain name), and: fsck -p mount -a cd vi .cshrc [change EDITOR from "ee" to "vi"] csh cd /etc mkdir /RCS ci -u sendmail.cf rc.conf fstab printcap group inetd.conf [hand-enter descriptions of each file] co -l !:3* vi !:2* [hand-enter the NIS domain. Also change the amd_map_program & amd_flags; those are easier to change w/ a normal editor. Do reality check on everything else in rc.conf.] [Add MFS-mounted /tmp.] [Add a couple of networked printers.] [Add the NIS "magic cookie" to /etc/group.] [Add the amanda client-side entry.] ci -u !* [hand-enter brief descriptions of the above] vipw [Add NIS "magic cookie" to passwd.] reboot intending to come up multi-user. (Note that I had deliberately not changed sendmail.cf yet; that comes later.) Machine comes up... amd says "no work to do--quitting". Huh? I try logging in (as "dhw"); no go. ??!? Login as root; works fine. "ls -F ~dhw/" -- no such user. Foo. "domainname"... null. :-( "grep nis /etc/rc.conf" -- yeah; the domain name is set. ??!??! *Then* my manager points out rc.conf.site. :-( So I check *that* file in & out, edit it, check it back in, come up multi-user, and things are *much* happier. So then I'm able to cd /etc cp -p /usr/local/share/sendmail/cf-8.9.2/cf/dhw.cf sendmail.cf ci -u !$ kill `head -1 /var/run/sendmail.pid` && tail -f /var/log/maillog OK so far.... (Then all I needed to do was un-tar a bunch of the a.out libraries (as well as /usr/libexec/ld.so) where they can be found.) *Then* I was able to login.... Later, on another machine (on an engineer's desk), I've upgraded the box to that SNAP. And now he's re-booted, and can't login. I login as root, and we happen to look at the results of rcsdiff -u /etc/rc.conf.site ??!? All kinds of changes.... Then he says he was doing some things with sysinstall. :-( Fine; "co /etc/rc.conf.site" restores it back again. Re-boot, and he can login again.... Seems that whatever he did completely trashed thinsg like the NIS domain name.... OK; this note is way too long already.... But it does seem to me that there's a bit of a POLA violation, if nothing else, in the naming. You see, when I got here, I inherited a network where /usr/local was NFS-exported from a box (that is now running 2.2.6-R). And this seems to be rather at odds with the expectation of the "ports" system. Now, since this has been my first experience with FreeBSD, I didn't know any better... and I had no idea how much hassle this usage of /usr/local would be in an environment where such a "ports" system is used. Further, having /usr/local be "site-local" vs. "machine-local" isn't all that unusual in the environments I've used and administered before (mostly Suns). But if /usr/local is expected to be machine-specific, it seems to me that what sysinstall messes with should also be machine-specific, and the names should be of a similar pattern. At the same time, there is value in having a site-specific configuration file (just as there is value in having some site-wide files, some of which may well be executables). I would expect, moreover, that the machine-specific information would override the site-specific information. I hope that was of *some* use (or interest, at least), david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 16:54:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04791 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:54:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phluffy.fks.bt (net25-cust199.pdx.wantweb.net [24.236.25.199]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA04781; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:54:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from myke@ees.com) Received: from localhost (myke@localhost) by phluffy.fks.bt (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22587; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:53:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from myke@ees.com) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:53:54 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Holling X-Sender: myke@phluffy.fks.bt To: Steve Kargl cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , jabley@clear.co.nz, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <199902090032.QAA63869@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > If we want FreeBSD to have any credibility as a workstation OS, we > > need DHCP. It should be possible for a user or admin to smack in the > > boot floppy, have it autoconfigure the selected network interface, and > > perform an FTP installation. > > So, we'll import a pop server, apache, g77, ad nauseam > to increase the credibility of FreeBSD as a workstation OS. Here are the regular (dynamically linked) versions of the ISC client and server: phluffy% ls -l =dhclient =dhcpd -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 86016 Nov 20 20:47 /usr/local/sbin/dhclient -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 90112 Nov 20 20:47 /usr/local/sbin/dhcpd I built a static version of the WIDE client and server, both were only around 140K. What's the problem? It's not like putting emacs in the base install or anything. I still run FreeBSD on a 386/40 with a 40M MFM main drive, and even so I'm not worried about the "bloat" of adding DHCP. Lots of people have been asking about DHCP on the lists and the newsgroups, probably because DSL/cablemodems are becoming more readily available (at least in the US). Windows comes with DHCP. Heck, even my old Mac IIci running System 7.5.5 comes with DHCP. It's small and increasingly useful, why not make it part of the base distribution? Or would you rather have FreeBSD be like RedHat, where you have to install an RPM for just about everything? Personally, I'd like to see DHCP in /usr/src because that makes it easier to integrate with PicoBSD. - Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 16:56:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05151 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:56:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05145; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:56:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from lot.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@lot.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.106]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16671; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:25:56 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199902090032.QAA63869@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 11:25:56 +1030 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Steve Kargl Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, jabley@clear.co.nz, (Dag-Erling Smorgrav) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 09-Feb-99 Steve Kargl wrote: > So, we'll import a pop server, apache, g77, ad nauseam > to increase the credibility of FreeBSD as a workstation OS. Yes, of course, I need a pop server to install freesbsd.. NOT. Lots of places use DHCP and in some cases you can't actually use the network without a DHCP client (cable modems, some campuses etc) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 17:12:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07528 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:12:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07506; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:12:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA17670; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:05:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpdw17664; Tue Feb 9 01:05:25 1999 Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:05:21 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav cc: Steve Kargl , jabley@clear.co.nz, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I agree. having a DHCP client can make the difference between being able to get ont he net at all and not being able to get on the net. On 9 Feb 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Steve Kargl writes: > > Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > If we want FreeBSD to have any credibility as a workstation OS, we > > > need DHCP. It should be possible for a user or admin to smack in the > > > boot floppy, have it autoconfigure the selected network interface, and > > > perform an FTP installation. > > So, we'll import a pop server, apache, g77, ad nauseam > > to increase the credibility of FreeBSD as a workstation OS. > > None of these are necessary on an average workstation. DHCP is > becoming more and more common. > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 17:23:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08763 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:23:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from paert.tse-online.de (paert.tse-online.de [194.97.69.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA08755 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:23:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ab@paert.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 28477 invoked by uid 1000); 9 Feb 1999 01:23:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 02:23:20 +0100 From: Andreas Braukmann To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Message-ID: <19990209022320.F1047@paert.tse-online.de> References: <199902090032.QAA63869@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <199902090032.QAA63869@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>; from Steve Kargl on Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 04:32:39PM -0800 Organization: TSE TeleService GmbH Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, ...sorry, I just didn't get it ... On Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 04:32:39PM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: > > > > > I am planning on adding the Wide-DHCP client to src/contrib/ and ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ! client ! > > > > > src/sbin/ in a few days. > > > [...] > > If we want FreeBSD to have any credibility as a workstation OS, we > > need DHCP. > > It should be possible for a user or admin to smack in the > > boot floppy, have it autoconfigure the selected network interface, and > > perform an FTP installation. > > So, we'll import a pop server, apache, g77, ad nauseam > to increase the credibility of FreeBSD as a workstation OS. Read his statement again; the (IMHO very valuable) itention is to be able to build a "sysinstall boot floppy" for network-installations without having the installing person go through the hassle of setting up a _static_ ip configuration. (Especially if the workstation should be a dhcp client later on.) Furthermore I know more than one network where 'dhcp' is the only mean to get a valid ip-configuration. Scenario: User-A wants to setup his brand new FreeBSD-workstation: [without dhcp-client on boot-disk] - boot the bootdisk ;) - choose distribution media 'ftp' or 'nfs' - get to the network-configuration screen - don't find a knob named 'use dhcp' - yell after the net-admin "Hey, ... I need a static IP, which one should I use?" [ - The ever-friendly net-admin is not available - wait several days ... ;) ] - install / configure the machine for the static ip - cd /usr/ports/net/dhcp*; make && make install; - change the machine's configuration (/etc/rc.conf etc.) to make use of the dhcp-client - tell the net-admin that the static ip could now be 'recycled' [with dhcp-client on boot-disk] - boot the bootdisk ;) - choose distribution media 'ftp' or 'nfs' - get to the network-configuration screen - select 'use dhcp' - install - be happy Including a dhcp-client for the boot-disk is something very, very different from including various 'convenience' software in the base system. Regards, Andreas -- : TSE TeleService GmbH : Gsf: Arne Reuter : : : Hovestrasse 14 : Andreas Braukmann : We do it with : : D-48351 Everswinkel : HRB: 1430, AG WAF : FreeBSD/SMP : :--------------------------------------------------------------------: : PGP-Key: http://www.tse-online.de/~ab/public-key : : Key fingerprint: 12 13 EF BC 22 DD F4 B6 3C 25 C9 06 DC D3 45 9B : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 17:39:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10463 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:39:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lamb.sas.com (lamb.sas.com [192.35.83.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10453 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:39:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jwd@unx.sas.com) Received: from mozart (mozart.unx.sas.com [192.58.184.8]) by lamb.sas.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA08433 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:39:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from bb01f39.unx.sas.com by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA09075; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:39:26 -0500 Received: (from jwd@localhost) by bb01f39.unx.sas.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA18968 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:39:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jwd) From: "John W. DeBoskey" Message-Id: <199902090139.UAA18968@bb01f39.unx.sas.com> Subject: ibcs2_ipc.c compile failure To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:39:26 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I beleive version 1.14 of ibcs2_ipc.c is bad. I've been receiving the following error(s) when trying to comile it: Thanks! John cc -nostdinc -O -pipe -DCOMPAT_IBCS2 -DKERNEL -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc -I- -I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/@ -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:58: warning: `struct ibcs2_ipc_perm' declared inside parameter list /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:58: warning: its scope is only this definition or declaration, /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:58: warning: which is probably not what you want. /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:59: warning: `struct ibcs2_ipc_perm' declared inside parameter list /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c: In function `cvt_msqid2imsqid': /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:71: warning: passing arg 2 of `cvt_perm2iperm' from incompatible pointer type /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c: In function `cvt_imsqid2msqid': /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:90: warning: passing arg 1 of `cvt_iperm2perm' from incompatible pointer type /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c: In function `cvt_iperm2perm': /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:185: argument `ipp' doesn't match prototype /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:59: prototype declaration /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:186: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:187: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 17:51:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12147 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:51:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from friley-184-92.res.iastate.edu (friley-184-92.res.iastate.edu [129.186.184.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12132 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:51:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mystify@friley-184-92.res.iastate.edu) Received: from friley-184-92.res.iastate.edu (localhost.res.iastate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by friley-184-92.res.iastate.edu (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA75447 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:51:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mystify@friley-184-92.res.iastate.edu) Message-Id: <199902090151.TAA75447@friley-184-92.res.iastate.edu> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-reply-to: Message from Mike Holling of "Mon, 08 Feb 1999 16:53:54 PST." Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 19:51:13 -0600 From: Patrick Hartling Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Holling wrote: } > > If we want FreeBSD to have any credibility as a workstation OS, we } > > need DHCP. It should be possible for a user or admin to smack in the } > > boot floppy, have it autoconfigure the selected network interface, and } > > perform an FTP installation. This would be really nifty for a lot of people. I've installed Windows NT about a zillion times due to its instability and tendencies to eat itself, but I always liked being able to say at the installation phase that I needed to use DHCP to get my IP address. } I built a static version of the WIDE client and server, both were only } around 140K. What's the problem? It's not like putting emacs in the base } install or anything. I still run FreeBSD on a 386/40 with a 40M MFM main } drive, and even so I'm not worried about the "bloat" of adding DHCP. Lots } of people have been asking about DHCP on the lists and the newsgroups, } probably because DSL/cablemodems are becoming more readily available (at } least in the US). People repeatedly ask me if FreeBSD comes with a DHCP client when I suggest it as an alternative to Linux. I always tell them "You can build the port or install a precompiled package," and as easy as that is for people who are familiar with FreeBSD's wonderful ports and package systems, it still causes some people to shy away. } Windows comes with DHCP. Heck, even my old Mac IIci running System 7.5.5 } comes with DHCP. It's small and increasingly useful, why not make it part } of the base distribution? Or would you rather have FreeBSD be like } RedHat, where you have to install an RPM for just about everything? When someone can simply click a radio button or mark a check box in their network configuration in these operating systems, they seem to assume that having to do anything more than that will be too hard. I think that having this small client (which I have installed as a port) in the base operating system will get people to warm up to the idea of trying out FreeBSD. It's one less thing that inexperiencied people have to worry about. These new people may find it semi-frightening to have to remember all those numbers and have to type them in, possibly more than once if something goes wrong. -Patrick Patrick L. Hartling | Research Assistant, ICEMT mystify@friley-184-92.res.iastate.edu | Carver Lab - 0095E Black Engineering http://www.public.iastate.edu/~oz/ | http://www.icemt.iastate.edu/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 18:01:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13311 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:01:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13301; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:01:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.9.2/8.9.1) id SAA64401; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:02:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk) From: Steve Kargl Message-Id: <199902090202.SAA64401@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: from Mike Holling at "Feb 8, 1999 4:53:54 pm" To: myke@ees.com (Mike Holling) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:02:05 -0800 (PST) Cc: des@flood.ping.uio.no, jabley@clear.co.nz, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Holling wrote: > > > If we want FreeBSD to have any credibility as a workstation OS, we > > > need DHCP. It should be possible for a user or admin to smack in the > > > boot floppy, have it autoconfigure the selected network interface, and > > > perform an FTP installation. > > > > So, we'll import a pop server, apache, g77, ad nauseam > > to increase the credibility of FreeBSD as a workstation OS. > > Here are the regular (dynamically linked) versions of the ISC client and > server: > > phluffy% ls -l =dhclient =dhcpd > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 86016 Nov 20 20:47 /usr/local/sbin/dhclient > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 90112 Nov 20 20:47 /usr/local/sbin/dhcpd It will probably go into /sbin, /bin, or /stand. These are statically linked exacutables. > I built a static version of the WIDE client and server, both were only > around 140K. What's the problem? It's not like putting emacs in the base > install or anything. I still run FreeBSD on a 386/40 with a 40M MFM main > drive, and even so I'm not worried about the "bloat" of adding DHCP. Lots Bloat by any other name is still bloat. > Windows comes with DHCP. Heck, even my old Mac IIci running System 7.5.5 > comes with DHCP. It's small and increasingly useful, why not make it part > of the base distribution? Or would you rather have FreeBSD be like > RedHat, where you have to install an RPM for just about everything? Where do you draw the line on the base system? Security is important so add tcp_wrappers? More and more documentation is released in html, so add apache? Once something is added to the base distribution, it seldomly gets removed? -- Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 18:02:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13638 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:02:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13632 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:02:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA29275; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:02:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from sji-ca1-226.ix.netcom.com(209.109.232.226) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma029115; Mon Feb 8 20:02:00 1999 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.1/8.6.9) id SAA67542; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:01:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:01:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199902090201.SAA67542@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> To: kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Kris Kennaway on Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:19:56 +1030 (CST)) Subject: Re: emacs directories in BSD.local.dist From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Just curious as to why share/emacs and share/emacs/site-lisp are created by * BSD.local.dist instead of by the emacs ports which might want to use them? * It's not a big deal, but it seems to me that these aren't useful for the * general case of someone not wanting to install an emacs port (strange as that * may sound [1]). I suspect it's for historical reasons, but it doesnt mean it * can't be removed if sufficient time is deemed to have passed. Actually it's the other way around. It's created by BSD.local.dist so that people who don't need emacs don't have to install them. :) The problem is that many ports, some of which only install .el files as a "by the way, you can use this from emacs too", fall over if this directory is not around. One solution is to add RUN_DEPENDS to emacs, which causes a whole lot of unhappiness, of course. So it's either those ports create the directory themselves or let BSD.local.dist do it. The latter was infinitely easier. :) Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 18:08:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14423 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:08:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14416; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:08:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id SAA12073; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:08:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:08:53 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199902090208.SAA12073@apollo.backplane.com> To: Steve Kargl Cc: myke@ees.com (Mike Holling), des@flood.ping.uio.no, jabley@clear.co.nz, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ References: <199902090202.SAA64401@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Mike Holling wrote: : :It will probably go into /sbin, /bin, or /stand. These are statically :linked exacutables. : :> I built a static version of the WIDE client and server, both were only :> around 140K. What's the problem? It's not like putting emacs in the base :> install or anything. I still run FreeBSD on a 386/40 with a 40M MFM main :> drive, and even so I'm not worried about the "bloat" of adding DHCP. Lots : :Bloat by any other name is still bloat. : :> Windows comes with DHCP. Heck, even my old Mac IIci running System 7.5.5 :> comes with DHCP. It's small and increasingly useful, why not make it part :> of the base distribution? Or would you rather have FreeBSD be like :> RedHat, where you have to install an RPM for just about everything? : :Where do you draw the line on the base system? Security is :important so add tcp_wrappers? More and more documentation is released :in html, so add apache? : :Once something is added to the base distribution, it seldomly :gets removed? : :-- :Steve I think what goes into the base distribution depends on where we think TheRestOfTheWorld is heading. dhcpd use has exploded in recent years and it is unlikely to go away for a long, long time. dhcpd also supports traditional bootp protocols such as those used by BOOTP kernels. I think it would be an excellent addition to our base system. However, someone needs to do a serious security check on it. I did a quick once-over of the code a few months ago and its security is extremely poor. For example, I had to commit some fairly serious bounds checking to dhcpd's ( I forget which version ) DNS resolution routines. Without a security audit, enabling the thing by default is just asking to get hacked. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 18:09:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14464 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:09:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ratatosk.assetfactory.com (lightwave-outpost.com [199.108.32.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14453 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:09:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from moof@ratatosk.assetfactory.com) From: moof@ratatosk.assetfactory.com Received: (from root@localhost) by ratatosk.assetfactory.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA04017 for current@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 21:31:44 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 21:31:44 -0800 Message-Id: <199902090531.VAA04017@ratatosk.assetfactory.com> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: new freebsd news site Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG http://www.roms.cx - new freebsd news website, updated daily. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 18:15:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA15581 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:15:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15573; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:15:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA14750; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 21:15:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 21:15:28 -0500 (EST) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199902090215.VAA14750@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Steve Kargl Cc: des@flood.ping.uio.no (Dag-Erling Smorgrav), jabley@clear.co.nz, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <199902090032.QAA63869@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> References: <199902090032.QAA63869@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: > So, we'll import a pop server, apache, g77, ad nauseam > to increase the credibility of FreeBSD as a workstation OS. None of those things are required to get a machine onto the network. DHCP is, in a large and growing number of places. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 18:22:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA16318 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:22:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA16312 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:22:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA00752 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:22:04 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:22:04 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: new default options for the Qlogic ISP host adapter... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG this causes the generation of opt_isp.h, and so you'll need to reconfig.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 18:22:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA16534 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:22:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA16523; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:22:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from bragg (bragg [129.127.36.34]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id MAA07522; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:52:35 +1030 (CST) Received: from localhost by bragg; (5.65/1.1.8.2/05Aug95-0227PM) id AA05984; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:52:35 +1030 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:52:35 +1030 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway X-Sender: kkennawa@bragg To: Satoshi Asami Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: emacs directories in BSD.local.dist In-Reply-To: <199902090201.SAA67542@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Satoshi Asami wrote: > * Just curious as to why share/emacs and share/emacs/site-lisp are created by > * BSD.local.dist instead of by the emacs ports which might want to use them? > * It's not a big deal, but it seems to me that these aren't useful for the > * general case of someone not wanting to install an emacs port (strange as that > * may sound [1]). I suspect it's for historical reasons, but it doesnt mean it > * can't be removed if sufficient time is deemed to have passed. > > Actually it's the other way around. It's created by BSD.local.dist so > that people who don't need emacs don't have to install them. :) > > The problem is that many ports, some of which only install .el files > as a "by the way, you can use this from emacs too", fall over if this > directory is not around. One solution is to add RUN_DEPENDS to emacs, > which causes a whole lot of unhappiness, of course. Ahh, that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. Kris ----- (ASP) Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) announced today that the release of its productivity suite, Office 2000, will be delayed until the first quarter of 1901. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 18:27:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17191 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:27:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17185 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:27:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA13523; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:26:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:26:54 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Andreas Braukmann Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Message-ID: <19990208182654.A13488@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990208142820.A9457@relay.nuxi.com> <19990209001730.E1047@paert.tse-online.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <19990209001730.E1047@paert.tse-online.de>; from Andreas Braukmann on Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 12:17:30AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm mostly interested in choosing the server part. I am NOT importing the server. Only the client and that is because it is required to get booted enought to install FreeBSD and to install packages. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 18:28:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17406 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:28:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17387 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:28:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA13553; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:27:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:27:57 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Steve Kargl Cc: Joe Abley , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Message-ID: <19990208182757.B13488@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990209121436.A81558@clear.co.nz> <199902082319.PAA63547@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <199902082319.PAA63547@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>; from Steve Kargl on Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 03:19:12PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > These should be left has ports. Explain how I am to install FreeBSD at my campus when DHCP has been mandated. Many univ. are moving in this direction. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 18:29:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17546 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:29:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17537 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:29:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA13585; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:28:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:28:57 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Steve Kargl Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , jabley@clear.co.nz, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Message-ID: <19990208182857.C13488@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199902090032.QAA63869@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <199902090032.QAA63869@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>; from Steve Kargl on Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 04:32:39PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > So, we'll import a pop server, apache, g77, ad nauseam > to increase the credibility of FreeBSD as a workstation OS. NO. Again, the problem is boot strapping. If you lived in a DHCP world (and not in control of it) you would understand. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 18:31:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17889 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:31:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17883 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:31:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA13659 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:31:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:31:46 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Message-ID: <19990208183146.D13488@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199902090032.QAA63869@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from Mike Holling on Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 04:53:54PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Or would you rather have FreeBSD be like RedHat, where you have to > install an RPM for just about everything? Actually RedHat's boot floopy has a BOOTP client and thus the Linux weenies on campus don't have the bootstrapping problem the FreeBSD users do. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 19:34:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA25355 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:34:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA25349 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:34:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id TAA40672; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:34:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:34:16 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199902090334.TAA40672@apollo.backplane.com> To: "David O'Brien" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ References: <199902090032.QAA63869@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <19990208183146.D13488@relay.nuxi.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : :> Or would you rather have FreeBSD be like RedHat, where you have to :> install an RPM for just about everything? : :Actually RedHat's boot floopy has a BOOTP client and thus the Linux :weenies on campus don't have the bootstrapping problem the FreeBSD users :do. : :-- :-- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) I'm not sure I follow this. FreeBSD's kernel can be compiled up as a BOOTP client too. I use it all the time for my diskless ( well, floppy-only ) workstations. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 19:41:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA26354 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:41:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA26324 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:41:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA14697; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:41:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:41:39 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Matthew Dillon Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Message-ID: <19990208194139.A14650@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199902090032.QAA63869@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <19990208183146.D13488@relay.nuxi.com> <199902090334.TAA40672@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <199902090334.TAA40672@apollo.backplane.com>; from Matthew Dillon on Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 07:34:16PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > :Actually RedHat's boot floopy has a BOOTP client and thus the Linux > :weenies on campus don't have the bootstrapping problem the FreeBSD users > :do. > > I'm not sure I follow this. FreeBSD's kernel can be compiled up as > a BOOTP client too. Sorry, add to that, and their "sysinstall" offers it as an option. Some people on campus have said they have been able to install RH Linux using the BOOTP option on the Linux boot floppy. Others have said it didn't work for them. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 19:47:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA27226 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:47:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (mail1.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA27220; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:47:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wghicks@bellsouth.net) Received: from wghicks.bellsouth.net (host-209-214-71-83.atl.bellsouth.net [209.214.71.83]) by mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA23943; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:47:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wghicks.bellsouth.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA06805; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:03:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net) To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@NUXI.com Cc: sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu, jabley@clear.co.nz, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:27:57 -0800" <19990208182757.B13488@relay.nuxi.com> References: <19990208182757.B13488@relay.nuxi.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on XEmacs 20.4 (Emerald) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990208230342I.wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 23:03:42 -0500 From: W Gerald Hicks X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 25 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: "David O'Brien" Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:27:57 -0800 > > These should be left has ports. > > Explain how I am to install FreeBSD at my campus when DHCP has been > mandated. Many univ. are moving in this direction. Make sysinstall be able to pkg_add? We do something similar to that here with PicoBSD by creating the MFS to have slack space and extracting a supplemental archive into it. Cheers, Jerry Hicks wghicks@bellsouth.net > > -- > -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 19:51:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA27960 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:51:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA27952 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:51:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA14905; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:50:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:50:55 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: W Gerald Hicks Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Message-ID: <19990208195055.A14870@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990208182757.B13488@relay.nuxi.com> <19990208230342I.wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <19990208230342I.wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net>; from W Gerald Hicks on Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 11:03:42PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Make sysinstall be able to pkg_add? We do something similar to that And just WHERE is the package?? Often on an NFS or FTP server, no?? And just HOW am I to communicate with that NFS or FTP server?? -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 20:14:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA29887 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:14:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA29881 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:14:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id UAA49929; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:14:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:14:55 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199902090414.UAA49929@apollo.backplane.com> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x ) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This does not make any operational change except to get rid of the $conf_dir junk from rc.conf, which I originally put in to try to bootstrap rc.diskless. A much better way to do rc.diskless was suggested to me, which I'm going to implement. It involves retargeting the /conf/ME softlink by mount_union'ing a small MFS filesystem onto /conf. Then one simply makes /etc/rc.conf.local a softlink to /conf/ME/rc.conf.local ( i.e. a sysop would do that as an extra, we wouldn't distribute the base system like that of course ) In anycase, I've committed a new rc.conf that gets rid of $conf_dir, FYI, and am about to commit a new rc.diskless and new examples that uses the mount_union idea for retargeting during a diskless boot that will be much more straightward and obvious. -Matt Matthew Dillon rc_conf_files="/etc/rc.conf.site /etc/rc.conf.local" ... ############################################################## ### Allow local configuration override at the very end here ## ############################################################## # # for i in ${rc_conf_files}; do if [ -f $i ]; then . $i fi done To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 20:23:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00604 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:23:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (mail1.its.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA00591; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:23:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA60894; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:24:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: drosih@pop1.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199902090202.SAA64401@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> References: from Mike Holling at "Feb 8, 1999 4:53:54 pm" Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:23:09 -0500 To: Steve Kargl From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 6:02 PM -0800 2/8/99, Steve Kargl wrote: >Mike Holling wrote: >> ... What's the problem? It's not like putting emacs in the base >> install or anything. I still run FreeBSD on a 386/40 with a 40M MFM >> main drive, and even so I'm not worried about the "bloat" of adding >> DHCP. > > Bloat by any other name is still bloat. I think it is a very good idea to have DHCP client support in the base system. Note that I am on a campus which is heading for DHCP for pretty much all student-owned computers, and many campus-owned computers too. >> Windows comes with DHCP. Heck, even my old Mac IIci running >> System 7.5.5 comes with DHCP. It's small and increasingly useful, >> why not make it part of the base distribution? > > Where do you draw the line on the base system? How about "things you need before you can send a single packet over the network"? Particularly for those thinking of doing a network install of an operating system, this might be a good starting point. Every fall we have about 1100 students show up, and many of those students will want to have their computer up and running before they have their alarm clock plugged in. Realistically, the only way for us (the computer center) to deal with this logistical nightmare is thru DHCP. I do not see that changing anytime soon. > Security is important so add tcp_wrappers? More and more > documentation is released in html, so add apache? You don't need either of these to send a packet over our network. You do need DHCP (or you need to wait a week or two before you'll get a fixed IP address so you can use your machine on our network). > Once something is added to the base distribution, it seldomly > gets removed? >From my environment, the chances that DHCP is going to go away anytime soon is zero. Not "close to zero", but absolute zero. Given a situation where: 1) a user wants to do a network install (to get the latest version of everything) and 2) the user will not be able to use the network without DHCP support then what does that user have to do if a DHCP client is not part of the base system? At the same time, I do agree with Matthew Dillion's comment that it would be a very prudent idea if someone could do a code review of whatever DHCP client is chosen, so we have some confidence WRT security issues. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 20:31:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01476 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:31:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (mail1.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01466; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:31:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wghicks@bellsouth.net) Received: from wghicks.bellsouth.net (host-209-214-71-83.atl.bellsouth.net [209.214.71.83]) by mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29599; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wghicks.bellsouth.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA12856; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:48:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net) To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@NUXI.com Cc: wghicks@bellsouth.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:50:55 -0800" <19990208195055.A14870@relay.nuxi.com> References: <19990208195055.A14870@relay.nuxi.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on XEmacs 20.4 (Emerald) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990208234849T.wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 23:48:49 -0500 From: W Gerald Hicks X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 31 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: "David O'Brien" > > Make sysinstall be able to pkg_add? We do something similar to that > > And just WHERE is the package?? Often on an NFS or FTP server, no?? > And just HOW am I to communicate with that NFS or FTP server?? Sorry. It's got to go somewhere offline. If not in the crunched /stand I'd guess it could live on the mfsroot floppy as an archive. I agree that DHCP is very important to have *somewhere* easy to use for both pre- and post- install purposes. We've produced a deviant PicoBSD that uses a different scheme for and uses shared libraries for greater flexibility. Of course, the price you pay is the static memory footprint required. As Jordan has mentioned, what we really need is a new dynamically sizable memory filesystem. I see that Eivind is doing something with getting NULLFS fixed. This is probably a very good step toward a more flexible setup environment. Cheers, Jerry Hicks wghicks@bellsouth.net > > -- > -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 21:04:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04163 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 21:04:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04156; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 21:04:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA04738; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 21:03:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Steve Kargl cc: jabley@clear.co.nz (Joe Abley), obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Feb 1999 15:19:12 PST." <199902082319.PAA63547@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 21:03:54 -0800 Message-ID: <4735.918536634@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > These should be left has ports. Can't really get away with that anymore - too many people require DHCP for very basic bootstrapping. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 21:06:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04532 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 21:06:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04524; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 21:06:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA04759; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 21:05:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: W Gerald Hicks cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@NUXI.com, sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu, jabley@clear.co.nz, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Feb 1999 23:03:42 EST." <19990208230342I.wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 21:05:59 -0800 Message-ID: <4755.918536759@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Make sysinstall be able to pkg_add? We do something similar to It can already pkg_add. However, I need dhcp in the crunched image since I can't very well GET a package if I don't have any bloody IP addresses to configure the network interface with and the user doesn't know what they are either. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 21:44:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA07871 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 21:44:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA07863 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 21:44:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from geoff@rucus.ru.ac.za) Received: (qmail 15846 invoked by uid 268); 9 Feb 1999 07:44:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19990209074440.15845.qmail@rucus.ru.ac.za> Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <199902082319.PAA63547@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> from Steve Kargl at "Feb 8, 1999 3:19:12 pm" To: sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu (Steve Kargl) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 07:44:40 +0000 (GMT) Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG, jabley@clear.co.nz Reply-To: "Geoff Rehmet" From: "Geoff Rehmet" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve Kargl writes : > > Content-Type: text/BLOAT > > These should be left has ports. > I can understand the people who need DHCP to get their systems up. OTOH, where does one draw the line. Is DHCP core functionality? Another issue to be taken into account: there is already a bootp daemon in the tree. Anyone putting any DHCP functionality in should look very seriously at any possibilities of combining the functionality, rather than creating what amounts to a degree of redundancy. (I haven't looked at DHCP-WIDE, and consequently, I don't know if it also supports bootp functionality.) I personally would prefer to see DHCP left a port. But, OTOH, more and more people are using dynamic IP address assignment on their networks. (Not an easy one.) Geoff. -- Geoff Rehmet, The Internet Solution geoffr@is.co.za; geoff@rucus.ru.ac.za; csgr@freebsd.org tel: +27-83-292-5800 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 21:53:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08860 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 21:53:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA08855 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 21:53:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef@kithrup.com) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA05212; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 21:53:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 21:53:11 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199902090553.VAA05212@kithrup.com> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <19990209074440.15845.qmail.kithrup.freebsd.current@rucus.ru.ac.za> References: <199902082319.PAA63547@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> from Steve Kargl at "Feb 8, 1999 3:19:12 pm" Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <19990209074440.15845.qmail.kithrup.freebsd.current@rucus.ru.ac.za> you write: >Is DHCP core functionality? As much as an editor and PPP are, yes -- without it, some people simply *cannot* get on the net. >Anyone putting any DHCP functionality in should look >very seriously at any possibilities of combining the functionality, >rather than creating what amounts to a degree of redundancy. I think isc-dhcp can do both; however, it may only be the server that has that functionality. >I personally would prefer to see DHCP left a port. How would someone on a network and without a CD-ROM install it? (I recently had the joy of doing this, incidently... I ended up unplugging one of the other computers and using is IP address until the installation was complete.) That, I believe, is the reason that it's time to consider putting it in. (I've only used the ISC code, and, for several reasons, am biased in its favour, but I don't think it really matters.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:00:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA09681 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:00:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA09675; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:00:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.9.2/8.9.1) id WAA65168; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:00:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk) From: Steve Kargl Message-Id: <199902090600.WAA65168@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <19990208195055.A14870@relay.nuxi.com> from "David O'Brien" at "Feb 8, 1999 7:50:55 pm" To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:00:53 -0800 (PST) Cc: wghicks@bellsouth.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David O'Brien wrote: > > Make sysinstall be able to pkg_add? We do something similar to that > > And just WHERE is the package?? Often on an NFS or FTP server, no?? > And just HOW am I to communicate with that NFS or FTP server?? > Drop FreeBSD cd-rom into tray (or caddy). mount_cd9660 /dev/cd0a /mnt pkg_add dhcp umount /mnt -- Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:03:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA10028 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:03:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA10022; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:03:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.9.2/8.9.1) id WAA65186; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:03:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk) From: Steve Kargl Message-Id: <199902090603.WAA65186@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <19990208182857.C13488@relay.nuxi.com> from "David O'Brien" at "Feb 8, 1999 6:28:57 pm" To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:03:44 -0800 (PST) Cc: des@flood.ping.uio.no, jabley@clear.co.nz, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David O'Brien wrote: > > So, we'll import a pop server, apache, g77, ad nauseam > > to increase the credibility of FreeBSD as a workstation OS. > > NO. Again, the problem is boot strapping. If you lived in a DHCP world > (and not in control of it) you would understand. > I do live in a dhcp world, but our net admins appreciate the fact my machines are up 7/24 and serve my research group, so they have given me a fixed ip. -- Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:06:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA10451 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:06:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA10444; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:06:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from lot.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@lot.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.106]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28099; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:36:23 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199902090600.WAA65168@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 16:36:22 +1030 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Steve Kargl Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, wghicks@bellsouth.net, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 09-Feb-99 Steve Kargl wrote: > > And just WHERE is the package?? Often on an NFS or FTP server, no?? > > And just HOW am I to communicate with that NFS or FTP server?? > Drop FreeBSD cd-rom into tray (or caddy). > mount_cd9660 /dev/cd0a /mnt > pkg_add dhcp > umount /mnt Excuse me sir.. I am but a poor student.. Or I'd like to play with FreeBSD, but I'd rather not fork out US$30 for something I haven't tested. etc.. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:08:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA11148 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:08:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA11142; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:08:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.9.2/8.9.1) id WAA65226; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:08:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk) From: Steve Kargl Message-Id: <199902090608.WAA65226@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <19990208182757.B13488@relay.nuxi.com> from "David O'Brien" at "Feb 8, 1999 6:27:57 pm" To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:08:40 -0800 (PST) Cc: jabley@clear.co.nz, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David O'Brien wrote: > > These should be left has ports. > > Explain how I am to install FreeBSD at my campus when DHCP has been > mandated. Many univ. are moving in this direction. > Maybe, support WC by purchasing the cd-rom? Convince your University to get a large quantity of cd-roms from WC and resell the disks to the students? -- Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:10:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA11407 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:10:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA11396 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:10:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA03072; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 01:10:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Steve Kargl cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Feb 1999 22:00:53 PST." <199902090600.WAA65168@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 01:10:09 -0500 Message-ID: <3067.918540609@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve Kargl wrote in message ID <199902090600.WAA65168@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>: > Drop FreeBSD cd-rom into tray (or caddy). > mount_cd9660 /dev/cd0a /mnt > pkg_add dhcp > umount /mnt So you are suggesting we no longer supporting FTP installs? Do you realise what impact that would have? I guess you haven't seen the dramatic increase in cablemodem and ADSL/SDSL/HDSL/IDSL installations which don't offer static IP's and require running DHCP clients? Let alone all the M$ infested corporate environments? Heck, I even recommend running DHCP to people! Why? It makes roaming between work and home with a laptop 10 times easier! IMHO, requiring a CD to install in a DHCP environment is like requiring a GPS before getting a driving license. Something that a case could be made for, but it'd hold water about as well as a wire mesh fence. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:12:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA11633 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:12:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phluffy.fks.bt (net25-cust199.pdx.wantweb.net [24.236.25.199]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA11625; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:12:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from myke@ees.com) Received: from localhost (myke@localhost) by phluffy.fks.bt (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA23433; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:12:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from myke@ees.com) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:12:12 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Holling X-Sender: myke@phluffy.fks.bt To: Steve Kargl cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, jabley@clear.co.nz, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <199902090608.WAA65226@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > David O'Brien wrote: > > > These should be left has ports. > > > > Explain how I am to install FreeBSD at my campus when DHCP has been > > mandated. Many univ. are moving in this direction. > > > > Maybe, support WC by purchasing the cd-rom? > > Convince your University to get a large quantity of cd-roms > from WC and resell the disks to the students? If the user had the CD, they wouldn't need DHCP to install the OS. Obviously the reason to put DHCP on the boot floppy is so that people can netinstall FreeBSD from an environment where IPs are handed out via DHCP, like a cablemodem/DSL setup. - Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:12:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA11676 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:12:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA11671 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:12:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA03128; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 01:12:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Steve Kargl cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Feb 1999 22:03:44 PST." <199902090603.WAA65186@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 01:12:37 -0500 Message-ID: <3124.918540757@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve Kargl wrote in message ID <199902090603.WAA65186@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>: > I do live in a dhcp world, but our net admins appreciate > the fact my machines are up 7/24 and serve my research group, > so they have given me a fixed ip. That argument won't work with Media-One, Roadrunner, RCN, etc who just simply *DO* *NOT* *SUPPORT* *STATIC* *IP* *ASSIGNMENTS*. How can we make this any clearer to you? Its fine to say `I don't want to see DHCP in the base system' when you have the choice of getting a static IP. A lot of the emerging high-speed access providers aren't giving you that option. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:14:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA11863 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:14:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA11850; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:14:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA03960; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:18:35 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199902090618.RAA03960@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <199902090608.WAA65226@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> from Steve Kargl at "Feb 8, 1999 10: 8:40 pm" To: sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu (Steve Kargl) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:18:35 +1100 (EST) Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, jabley@clear.co.nz, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve Kargl wrote: > David O'Brien wrote: > > > These should be left has ports. > > > > Explain how I am to install FreeBSD at my campus when DHCP has been > > mandated. Many univ. are moving in this direction. > > > > Maybe, support WC by purchasing the cd-rom? > > Convince your University to get a large quantity of cd-roms > from WC and resell the disks to the students? Or convince FreeBSD developers to simply add a DHCP client to the base sources and build a boot/install floppy with that functionality. No user cost. No user hassle. Why not?! Sigh. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:17:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12609 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:17:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomad.dataplex.net (nomad.dataplex.net [208.2.87.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12603; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:17:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@nomad.dataplex.net) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by nomad.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01284; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:19:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from root@nomad.dataplex.net) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:19:39 -0600 (CST) From: Charlie ROOT To: Steve Kargl cc: Joe Abley , obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <199902082319.PAA63547@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wrong! The dhcp client is ESSENTIAL to boot floppies for modern use. As for "bloat", one man's bloat is another's essential material :-( On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Steve Kargl wrote: > Joe Abley wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 02:28:20PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > > I am planning on adding the Wide-DHCP client to src/contrib/ > > Content-Type: text/BLOAT > > These should be left has ports. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:17:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12636 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:17:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomad.dataplex.net (nomad.dataplex.net [208.2.87.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12625 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:17:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@nomad.dataplex.net) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by nomad.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01250; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:15:37 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from root@nomad.dataplex.net) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:15:37 -0600 (CST) From: Charlie ROOT To: Andreas Braukmann cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <19990209001730.E1047@paert.tse-online.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Remember that the client, relay, and server are all independent items. Each MUST meet the same RFC specification. On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Andreas Braukmann wrote: > On Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 02:28:20PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > I am planning on adding the Wide-DHCP client to src/contrib/ and > I'm mostly interested in choosing the server part. In the past I > deployed only the wide-dhcp server from the ports collection; but > only because I somehow decided to test the wide-dhcp before the isc one. > > A few days ago I had a look (triggered by a piece of samba documentation) > at isc-dhcp and found the configuration syntax somewhat more user friendly. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:18:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12651 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:18:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomad.dataplex.net (nomad.dataplex.net [208.2.87.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12631; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:17:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@nomad.dataplex.net) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by nomad.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01243; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:11:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from root@nomad.dataplex.net) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:11:54 -0600 (CST) From: Charlie ROOT To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <19990208142820.A9457@relay.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am glad to see some SOME version of the dhcp client included in base floppies. However, I must take exception to David's choice for any purpose other than single floppy situations. Although it is somewhat larger, the ISC dhcp2 client has significantly more flexability WRT options beyond the bare basics. I would recommend that the default client on HD based systems be the ISC client because of that flexability. Further, the assertion that it is easier to configure the WIDE client is WRONG. The ISC CLIENT requires NO configuration. I don't see how anything can be simpler. :-) Unfortunately, David persists in spreading this mis-information. On, 8 Feb 1999, David O'Brien wrote: > I am planning on adding the Wide-DHCP client to src/contrib/ and > src/sbin/ in a few days. > > I have it bmaked and ready go to. I have choosen the WIDE client because > it is much smaller space-wise than the ISC client and its configuration > is simplier. > > The plan is to make a boot floppy / boot CDROM with a DHCP client on it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:23:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13014 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:23:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13008; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:22:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from lot.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@lot.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.106]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03289; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:52:25 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 16:52:24 +1030 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Charlie ROOT Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 09-Feb-99 Charlie ROOT wrote: > Further, the assertion that it is easier to configure the WIDE client is > WRONG. The ISC CLIENT requires NO configuration. I don't see how anything > can be simpler. :-) Hmmm.. This annoyed me actually.. There is NO config file which means its damn annoying for you to tweak how it works.. Almost like a windows app really :) The WIDE client's default config file is usually quite OK. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:24:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13341 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:24:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13329; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:24:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.9.2/8.9.1) id WAA65393; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:25:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk) From: Steve Kargl Message-Id: <199902090625.WAA65393@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <3067.918540609@gjp.erols.com> from Gary Palmer at "Feb 9, 1999 1:10: 9 am" To: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG (Gary Palmer) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:25:16 -0800 (PST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gary Palmer wrote: > Steve Kargl wrote in message ID > <199902090600.WAA65168@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>: > > Drop FreeBSD cd-rom into tray (or caddy). > > mount_cd9660 /dev/cd0a /mnt > > pkg_add dhcp > > umount /mnt > [watch the long lines] > So you are suggesting we no longer supporting FTP installs? Do you > realise what impact that would have? I guess you haven't seen the > dramatic increase in cablemodem and ADSL/SDSL/HDSL/IDSL installations > which don't offer static IP's and require running DHCP clients? > Let alone all the M$ infested corporate environments? Heck, I even > recommend running DHCP to people! Why? It makes > roaming between work and home with a laptop 10 times easier! No. Yes. Yes. Yes. Why? Paraphasing David's original email: david> I have DHCP-WIDE bmake'd. I going to commit if no one objects. It would have been helpful if he would have given some justification. Without critical discussion of each candidate for inclusion in the base distribution, the system will grow without bounds. Trying to remove something from the base is somewhat difficult. Search mailing list for a recent discussion about removing f2c. I have a f2c port and more robust f77(1) sitting here waiting. Inertia. -- Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:29:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13602 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:29:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA13594 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:29:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from geoff@rucus.ru.ac.za) Received: (qmail 17760 invoked by uid 268); 9 Feb 1999 08:29:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19990209082922.17759.qmail@rucus.ru.ac.za> Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <199902090553.VAA05212@kithrup.com> from Sean Eric Fagan at "Feb 8, 1999 9:53:11 pm" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:29:22 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "Geoff Rehmet" From: "Geoff Rehmet" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sean Eric Fagan writes : > In article <19990209074440.15845.qmail.kithrup.freebsd.current@rucus.ru.ac.za> you write: > >Is DHCP core functionality? > > As much as an editor and PPP are, yes -- without it, some people simply > *cannot* get on the net. Your point is valid. Before it goes in, there are some points to look at though: - Integration with bootp functionality (if possible) - DHCP-WIDE requires you to have bpf configured into your kernel for a GENERIC kernel, this is VERY BAD - is there a more elegant way to handle this? I certainly would not like to see the generic kernel in the distribution going out into the world with bpf enabled. Geoff. -- Geoff Rehmet, The Internet Solution geoffr@is.co.za; geoff@rucus.ru.ac.za; csgr@freebsd.org tel: +27-83-292-5800 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:31:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13921 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:31:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13915; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:31:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.9.2/8.9.1) id WAA65428; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:31:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk) From: Steve Kargl Message-Id: <199902090631.WAA65428@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <199902090618.RAA03960@cimlogic.com.au> from John Birrell at "Feb 9, 1999 5:18:35 pm" To: jb@cimlogic.com.au (John Birrell) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:31:49 -0800 (PST) Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, jabley@clear.co.nz, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Birrell wrote: > Steve Kargl wrote: > > David O'Brien wrote: > > > > These should be left has ports. > > > > > > Explain how I am to install FreeBSD at my campus when DHCP has been > > > mandated. Many univ. are moving in this direction. > > > > > > > Maybe, support WC by purchasing the cd-rom? > > > > Convince your University to get a large quantity of cd-roms > > from WC and resell the disks to the students? > > Or convince FreeBSD developers to simply add a DHCP client to the base > sources and build a boot/install floppy with that functionality. > No user cost. No user hassle. Why not?! Sigh. > David's original email said he was going to commit without giving a justification. I call it bloat, then the justifications pour in. I'm now convinced it may be a good thing with a security audit. However, if every committer starting to push his (pet) software as candidate for the base distribution, then the base will grow without bounds. How long did it take to kill tcl from the base distribution, and how long will it take to kill f2c? -- Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:34:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14083 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:34:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA14078; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:34:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.9.2/8.9.1) id WAA65450; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:34:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk) From: Steve Kargl Message-Id: <199902090634.WAA65450@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <3124.918540757@gjp.erols.com> from Gary Palmer at "Feb 9, 1999 1:12:37 am" To: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG (Gary Palmer) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:34:52 -0800 (PST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gary Palmer wrote: > Steve Kargl wrote in message ID > <199902090603.WAA65186@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>: > > I do live in a dhcp world, but our net admins appreciate > > the fact my machines are up 7/24 and serve my research group, > > so they have given me a fixed ip. > > That argument won't work with Media-One, Roadrunner, RCN, etc who just simply > *DO* *NOT* *SUPPORT* *STATIC* *IP* *ASSIGNMENTS*. How can we make this any > clearer to you? Its fine to say `I don't want to see DHCP in the base system' > when you have the choice of getting a static IP. A lot of the emerging > high-speed access providers aren't giving you that option. > Then, *BUY* the cd-rom and support the FreeBSD project. -- Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:35:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14360 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:35:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA14355 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:35:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA04066; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:40:09 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199902090640.RAA04066@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <199902090631.WAA65428@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> from Steve Kargl at "Feb 8, 1999 10:31:49 pm" To: sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu (Steve Kargl) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:40:09 +1100 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve Kargl wrote: > David's original email said he was going to commit without giving > a justification. I call it bloat, then the justifications pour in. > I'm now convinced it may be a good thing with a security audit. > > However, if every committer starting to push his (pet) software > as candidate for the base distribution, then the base will > grow without bounds. How long did it take to kill tcl from > the base distribution, and how long will it take to kill f2c? IMHO, "Just Do It". Ask David. 8-) -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:36:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14442 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:36:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA14435; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:36:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.9.2/8.9.1) id WAA65490; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:37:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk) From: Steve Kargl Message-Id: <199902090637.WAA65490@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: from "Daniel O'Connor" at "Feb 9, 1999 4:36:22 pm" To: doconnor@gsoft.com.au (Daniel O'Connor) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:37:10 -0800 (PST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, wghicks@bellsouth.net, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > On 09-Feb-99 Steve Kargl wrote: > > > And just WHERE is the package?? Often on an NFS or FTP server, no?? > > > And just HOW am I to communicate with that NFS or FTP server?? > > Drop FreeBSD cd-rom into tray (or caddy). > > mount_cd9660 /dev/cd0a /mnt > > pkg_add dhcp > > umount /mnt > Excuse me sir.. I am but a poor student.. > > Or I'd like to play with FreeBSD, but I'd rather not fork out US$30 for something I > haven't tested. > Cheapbytes. -- Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:37:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14511 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:37:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA14505 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:37:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef@kithrup.com) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA08081; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:37:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:37:31 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199902090637.WAA08081@kithrup.com> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article you write: >Hmmm.. This annoyed me actually.. >There is NO config file which means its damn annoying for you to tweak how it works.. Would you please settle on a set of misinformation and stick with it? isc-dhcp's client *does* have a very extensive configuration file. Same parser as the server. In 99.9% of cases, it needs to be a 0-length file. In some other cases, it needs to be configured. Due to a bug in the version of isc-dhcpd at work, for example, I needed to have a /etc/dhclient.conf file that looked like: send dhcp-client-identifier "sef-laptop"; There are a bunch of things I could specify. Interestingly enough, they're documented in dhclient.conf(5), which comes with the isc-dhcp package. So: not only does isc-dhcp have extensive configuration options, but, in the common case, it's not needed at all. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:38:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14601 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:38:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA14591; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:38:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from lot.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@lot.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.106]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03507; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:08:07 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199902090637.WAA65490@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:08:07 +1030 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Steve Kargl Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, wghicks@bellsouth.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 09-Feb-99 Steve Kargl wrote: > > Or I'd like to play with FreeBSD, but I'd rather not fork out US$30 for something I > > haven't tested. > Cheapbytes. Argument still holds.. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:39:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14687 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:39:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA14678 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:39:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef@kithrup.com) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA08295; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:39:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:39:29 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199902090639.WAA08295@kithrup.com> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <19990209082922.17759.qmail.kithrup.freebsd.current@rucus.ru.ac.za> References: <199902090553.VAA05212@kithrup.com> from Sean Eric Fagan at "Feb 8, 1999 9:53:11 pm" Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <19990209082922.17759.qmail.kithrup.freebsd.current@rucus.ru.ac.za> you write: >- DHCP-WIDE requires you to have bpf configured into your kernel > for a GENERIC kernel, this is VERY BAD - is there a more elegant > way to handle this? I certainly would not like to see the > generic kernel in the distribution going out into the world with > bpf enabled. So does isc-dhcp. There's really no other way to do it: you need the ability to grab packets that come from an unidentified machine, which doesn't have an IP address. You could write some other method of doing this -- and then put it into every single ethernet (et al) device driver -- or you could just use BPF, which really isn't all that large. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:45:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA15008 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:45:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15002 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:45:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from lot.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@lot.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.106]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03614 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:15:38 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199902090637.WAA08081@kithrup.com> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:15:38 +1030 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 09-Feb-99 Sean Eric Fagan wrote: > >There is NO config file which means its damn annoying for you to tweak how it works.. > Would you please settle on a set of misinformation and stick with it? Argh! Damn I got WIDE and ISC confused.. AGAIN.. My aplogies.. OK, lets do ISC instead of WIDE :) The WIDE client is the one I tried first a while ago and got very annoyed cause there was no config file.. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:56:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA15783 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:56:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15776 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:56:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA04008; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 01:56:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Steve Kargl cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Feb 1999 22:34:52 PST." <199902090634.WAA65450@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 01:56:05 -0500 Message-ID: <4004.918543365@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve Kargl wrote in message ID <199902090634.WAA65450@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>: > Then, *BUY* the cd-rom and support the FreeBSD project. All that would happen would be that ppl will see `oh, no DHCP support on install. Better go with that linux dist which supports it' and we lose support. *shrug* Keeping people happy is the name of the game. I think you fail to understand that concept. If people need DHCP to install, then that becomes a requirement. Its not a cost issue. Its a `oh, I want to do this tonite, I have time. What? I need to wait for a CD to be shipped?!?!? **** that, I'll go install something which *SUPPORTS* *MY* *NEEDS*' Please, unless you have something constructive to contribute to this discussion, I suggest you drop it before you look like you are irritated because fortran is still in the base tree and you now have a bee in your bonnet. Instead of being an obstruction to progress, I suggest you find ways to contribute to the furthering of your goals. e.g. working with the people developing the new integrated packaging system which would make the distinction between `distribution' and `package' blurred. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:57:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA15898 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:57:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phluffy.fks.bt (net25-cust199.pdx.wantweb.net [24.236.25.199]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15893 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:57:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from myke@ees.com) Received: from localhost (myke@localhost) by phluffy.fks.bt (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA23563; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:57:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from myke@ees.com) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:57:31 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Holling X-Sender: myke@phluffy.fks.bt To: Steve Kargl cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <199902090634.WAA65450@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > That argument won't work with Media-One, Roadrunner, RCN, etc who > > just simply *DO* *NOT* *SUPPORT* *STATIC* *IP* *ASSIGNMENTS*. How > > can we make this any clearer to you? Its fine to say `I don't want > > to see DHCP in the base system' when you have the choice of getting > > a static IP. A lot of the emerging high-speed access providers > > aren't giving you that option. > > Then, *BUY* the cd-rom and support the FreeBSD project. That's not the point. Of course, everyone is encouraged to buy CDs and support the project. However, if netinstalls weren't desired, then they wouldn't be available in the first place. Since they are, they should be made to work for as many cases as possible. It seems silly to allow for esoteric netinstall methods like PLIP, but leave out something as common as environments requiring DHCP. And yes, I've used PLIP to install before, on a notebook that didn't have an ethernet card at the time. - Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 22:58:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA15972 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:58:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomad.dataplex.net (nomad.dataplex.net [208.2.87.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15963; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:58:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@nomad.dataplex.net) Received: from localhost (rkw@localhost) by nomad.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA04502; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:58:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rkw@nomad.dataplex.net) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:58:00 -0600 (CST) From: Richard Wackerbarth To: "Daniel O'Connor" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > On 09-Feb-99 Charlie ROOT wrote: > > Further, the assertion that it is easier to configure the WIDE client is > > WRONG. The ISC CLIENT requires NO configuration. I don't see how anything > > can be simpler. :-) > Hmmm.. This annoyed me actually.. > There is NO config file which means its damn annoying for you to tweak how it works.. > Almost like a windows app really :) This also is incorrect. You MAY have a configuration file to override the defaults. In most cases, the defaults are just fine and the configuration file may be omitted. However, all the knobs are there for those who need them. > The WIDE client's default config file is usually quite OK. As I said, the ISC clients (non-existant) file is equally acceptable. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 23:13:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA17190 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:13:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA17184 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:13:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from geoff@rucus.ru.ac.za) Received: (qmail 18609 invoked by uid 268); 9 Feb 1999 09:13:30 -0000 Message-ID: <19990209091330.18608.qmail@rucus.ru.ac.za> Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <199902090639.WAA08295@kithrup.com> from Sean Eric Fagan at "Feb 8, 1999 10:39:29 pm" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:13:30 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "Geoff Rehmet" From: "Geoff Rehmet" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sean Eric Fagan writes : > There's really no other way to do it: you need the ability to grab packets > that come from an unidentified machine, which doesn't have an IP address. You > could write some other method of doing this -- and then put it into every > single ethernet (et al) device driver -- or you could just use BPF, which > really isn't all that large. Bootpd doesn't require bpf in order to work. Incoming requests all have the IP number 0.0.0.0. The issue, as I understand it, is to get a reply from an unknown server (who has an IP address), while you have no IP address. I would still be very reticent to see BPF in a generic kernel because of the security implications. Remember that the DHCP client is listening for a datagram which has its own layer 2 address as the destination address. - No need for promiscuous mode. The only problem is that the client doesn't know its own IP number. I would really not like DHCP to require FreeBSD being shipped with bpf enabled. Geoff. -- Geoff Rehmet, The Internet Solution geoffr@is.co.za; geoff@rucus.ru.ac.za; csgr@freebsd.org tel: +27-83-292-5800 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 23:15:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA17353 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:15:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles225.castles.com [208.214.165.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17344; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:15:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA00562; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:10:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199902090710.XAA00562@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Daniel O'Connor" cc: Charlie ROOT , current@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Feb 1999 16:52:24 +1030." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 23:10:53 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > On 09-Feb-99 Charlie ROOT wrote: > > Further, the assertion that it is easier to configure the WIDE client is > > WRONG. The ISC CLIENT requires NO configuration. I don't see how anything > > can be simpler. :-) > Hmmm.. This annoyed me actually.. > There is NO config file which means its damn annoying for you to tweak how it works.. > Almost like a windows app really :) > > The WIDE client's default config file is usually quite OK. Actually, the ISC client supports a configuration file, but its defaults are usually fine. There are any number of reasons for going with the ISC client, including an involved ISC developer that's keen to help it happen. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 23:16:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA17554 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:16:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles225.castles.com [208.214.165.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17548 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:16:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA00580; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:12:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199902090712.XAA00580@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Geoff Rehmet" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Feb 1999 08:29:22 GMT." <19990209082922.17759.qmail@rucus.ru.ac.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 23:12:16 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > - DHCP-WIDE requires you to have bpf configured into your kernel > for a GENERIC kernel, this is VERY BAD - is there a more elegant > way to handle this? I certainly would not like to see the > generic kernel in the distribution going out into the world with > bpf enabled. That's not "VERY BAD". Bpf imposes a slight performance, hit, but that's about all. Don't start whining about the "security issues"; they're so trivial to be beyond worry. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 23:18:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA17678 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:18:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles225.castles.com [208.214.165.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17672; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:18:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA00596; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:13:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199902090713.XAA00596@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Steve Kargl cc: doconnor@gsoft.com.au (Daniel O'Connor), current@FreeBSD.ORG, wghicks@bellsouth.net, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Feb 1999 22:37:10 PST." <199902090637.WAA65490@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 23:13:44 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > > > On 09-Feb-99 Steve Kargl wrote: > > > > And just WHERE is the package?? Often on an NFS or FTP server, no?? > > > > And just HOW am I to communicate with that NFS or FTP server?? > > > Drop FreeBSD cd-rom into tray (or caddy). > > > mount_cd9660 /dev/cd0a /mnt > > > pkg_add dhcp > > > umount /mnt > > Excuse me sir.. I am but a poor student.. > > > > Or I'd like to play with FreeBSD, but I'd rather not fork out US$30 for something I > > haven't tested. > > > > Cheapbytes. Buying the Cheapbytes disc doesn't support the project, and there's a pretty good chance that the DHCP client won't be on the first disk. Steve; face it, DHCP client functionality is needed by other people. It won't kill you. Live with it. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 23:18:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA17711 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:18:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17706 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:18:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef@kithrup.com) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA10270; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:18:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:18:39 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199902090718.XAA10270@kithrup.com> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <19990209091330.18608.qmail.kithrup.freebsd.current@rucus.ru.ac.za> References: <199902090639.WAA08295@kithrup.com> from Sean Eric Fagan at "Feb 8, 1999 10:39:29 pm" Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <19990209091330.18608.qmail.kithrup.freebsd.current@rucus.ru.ac.za> you write: >I would still >be very reticent to see BPF in a generic kernel because of the security >implications. I'm sorry, but that's a complete non-issue: 1. /dev/bpf0 is mode 400, root.wheel -- to read it, you need to break root. 2. If you can break root, you can rebuild a kernel with BPF *anyway*. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 23:33:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA18708 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:33:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA18700 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:33:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.1/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id IAA29812 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:33:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 7EC421516; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:23:26 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:23:26 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Message-ID: <19990209082326.A3023@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: current@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199902090032.QAA63869@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <199902090032.QAA63869@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>; from Steve Kargl on Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 04:32:39PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT/ELF ctm#5026 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Steve Kargl: > So, we'll import a pop server, apache, g77, ad nauseam > to increase the credibility of FreeBSD as a workstation OS. No but if you want to install from a cable modem (they're becoming quite common these days, even in France), you _need_ it. Period. I'm as much anti-bloat as the next guy but I'll welcome this addition. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #69: Mon Jan 18 02:02:12 CET 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 23:34:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA18845 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:34:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua (ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua [212.42.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA18836 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:34:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Received: from vega. (async2-38.iptelecom.net.ua [212.42.68.166]) by ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05996; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:36:37 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Received: from altavista.net (big_brother [192.168.1.1]) by vega. (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA73603; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:34:26 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Message-ID: <36BFE4E4.52C2CC28@altavista.net> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 09:33:56 +0200 From: Maxim Sobolev Organization: Vega International Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Bush CC: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: buildworld failure in /usr/src/sys/i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I also have this problem Randy Bush wrote: > 4.0 -current > > touch   opt_spx_hack.h > cc -O -pipe -DCOMPAT_IBCS2  -DKERNEL -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes  -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual  -fformat-extensions -ansi -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc -I-  -I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/@ -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_errno.c > cc -O -pipe -DCOMPAT_IBCS2  -DKERNEL -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes  -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual  -fformat-extensions -ansi -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc -I-  -I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/@ -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:58: warning: `struct ibcs2_ipc_perm' declared inside parameter list > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:58: warning: its scope is only this definition or declaration, > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:58: warning: which is probably not what you want. > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:59: warning: `struct ibcs2_ipc_perm' declared inside parameter list > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c: In function `cvt_msqid2imsqid': > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:71: warning: passing arg 2 of `cvt_perm2iperm' from incompatible pointer type > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c: In function `cvt_imsqid2msqid': > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:90: warning: passing arg 1 of `cvt_iperm2perm' from incompatible pointer type > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c: In function `cvt_iperm2perm': > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:185: argument `ipp' doesn't match prototype > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:59: prototype declaration > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:186: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:187: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:188: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:189: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:190: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:191: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:192: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c: In function `cvt_perm2iperm': > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:199: argument `ipp' doesn't match prototype > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:58: prototype declaration > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:200: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:201: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:202: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:203: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:204: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:205: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:206: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c: In function `cvt_semid2isemid': > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:214: warning: passing arg 2 of `cvt_perm2iperm' from incompatible pointer type > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c: In function `cvt_isemid2semid': > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:227: warning: passing arg 1 of `cvt_iperm2perm' from incompatible pointer type > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c: In function `cvt_shmid2ishmid': > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:318: warning: passing arg 2 of `cvt_perm2iperm' from incompatible pointer type > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c: In function `cvt_ishmid2shmid': > /usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2/../../i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c:335: warning: passing arg 1 of `cvt_iperm2perm' from incompatible pointer type > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 23:35:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA18894 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:35:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA18837 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:34:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from geoff@rucus.ru.ac.za) Received: (qmail 19185 invoked by uid 268); 9 Feb 1999 09:34:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19990209093459.19184.qmail@rucus.ru.ac.za> Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <199902090718.XAA10270@kithrup.com> from Sean Eric Fagan at "Feb 8, 1999 11:18:39 pm" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:34:59 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "Geoff Rehmet" From: "Geoff Rehmet" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sean Eric Fagan writes : > > 1. /dev/bpf0 is mode 400, root.wheel -- to read it, you need to break root. > 2. If you can break root, you can rebuild a kernel with BPF *anyway*. Not quite - bpf is potentially dangerous where a sysadmin is inexperienced. On a system with a generic kernel and no source on it, it may be fairly difficult to get a kernel with bpf onto the system. Where there is an experienced admin, this becomes less of an issue. I am not trying to stop DHCP being added to the tree. It may even be necessary to use bpf initially, but there must be a more elegant way - having a quick look around - it would be a good idea to look at the code which already exists in libstand (/usr/src/lib/libstand/bootp.c). I haven't had an exhaustive look through the code, but this should give the necessary material to work out another way of doing things. 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--------------30AA448833E91091804EF6CA-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Feb 8 23:44:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19754 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:44:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA19746 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:44:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA13807 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 07:44:28 GMT Message-ID: <36BFE75C.E7EC4DCC@tdx.co.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 07:44:28 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX - The Digital eXchange X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ References: <199902090639.WAA08295@kithrup.com> from Sean Eric Fagan at "Feb 8, 1999 10:39:29 pm" <199902090718.XAA10270@kithrup.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sean Eric Fagan wrote about the security implications of making the bpf device the default in GENERIC etc. > I'm sorry, but that's a complete non-issue: > > 1. /dev/bpf0 is mode 400, root.wheel -- to read it, you need to break root. > 2. If you can break root, you can rebuild a kernel with BPF *anyway*. Sorry - I disagree with that... We run an ISP on FreeBSD, and we'd damn well notice someone _rebooting_ (or even trying to reboot one of our machines (to get their new kernel to work it's magic) - Heck, our machines _don't_ reboot from a 'shutdown -r'! - they're AST's! :) Whilst the argument about removing the source tree / kernel source etc. has always been pretty mute (what hackers not worth their salt don't come prepared? :) - I don't like the idea of every root exploiter just being able to 'instantly' sit there and run BPF! (Without even things like tripwire having a chance of detecting a kernel change). I'd much rather having the hacker either blocked from doing this, or having to spend time doing it (e.g. getting the source / new kernel to the machine etc. - the longer the better)... I think having bpf compiled in by default is going to be a Bad Move (tm). It _usually_ follows if some new user has the ability to recompile the kernel with it 'in' - they have enough sense to know the implications, put it in by default and you'll be giving every root hacker (or box where root access is sadly routine - and I know probably shouldn't be) an instant christmas present on those kind of machines... (I know theres probably ways of doing this with kern_secure_level, but that defaults to 'NO' at the moment :) Just my $0.04! (and no, it's not on fire... :) -Kp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 00:04:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA21086 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:04:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA21080; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:04:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dom@myrddin.demon.co.uk) Received: from [158.152.54.180] (helo=myrddin.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10A89S-0005H7-00; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:04:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (myrddin.demon.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] by myrddin.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1) id 10A862-0000GY-00; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:00:38 +0000 To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ References: <19990208142820.A9457@relay.nuxi.com> From: Dom Mitchell In-Reply-To: "David O'Brien"'s message of "Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:28:20 -0800" X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 08:00:38 +0000 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "David O'Brien" writes: > I am planning on adding the Wide-DHCP client to src/contrib/ and > src/sbin/ in a few days. > > I have it bmaked and ready go to. I have choosen the WIDE client because > it is much smaller space-wise than the ISC client and its configuration > is simplier. > > The plan is to make a boot floppy / boot CDROM with a DHCP client on it. Having just read all the emotional arguments, I have a technical one: What impact will this have on the rc files? How will it affect rc.conf, seeing as it overrides several values therein? What happens if your lease expires and doesn't get renewed, or gets renewed with a different IP address? Having seen the complete mess that DHCP client support made of Solaris' init files (and they were bad to start with!), I'm keen to not see the same convolution made here. -- When I said "we", officer, I was referring to myself, the four young ladies, and, of course, the goat. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 00:11:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA21915 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:11:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA21910 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:11:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA26350 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:03:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from s204m82.isp.whistle.com(207.76.204.82) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpde26331; Tue Feb 9 08:03:00 1999 Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 00:02:40 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer X-Sender: julian@s204m82.isp.whistle.com To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <199902090639.WAA08295@kithrup.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm not convinced that DHCP CLIENT needs to have everything wide open. It sends a broadcast, but the response is directed. On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Sean Eric Fagan wrote: > In article <19990209082922.17759.qmail.kithrup.freebsd.current@rucus.ru.ac.za> you write: > >- DHCP-WIDE requires you to have bpf configured into your kernel > > for a GENERIC kernel, this is VERY BAD - is there a more elegant > > way to handle this? I certainly would not like to see the > > generic kernel in the distribution going out into the world with > > bpf enabled. > > So does isc-dhcp. > > There's really no other way to do it: you need the ability to grab packets > that come from an unidentified machine, which doesn't have an IP address. You > could write some other method of doing this -- and then put it into every > single ethernet (et al) device driver -- or you could just use BPF, which > really isn't all that large. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 03:22:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA03339 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:22:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA03330 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:22:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA19594; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:53:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:53:39 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Geoff Rehmet Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Message-ID: <19990209005339.F19070@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199902090718.XAA10270@kithrup.com> <19990209093459.19184.qmail@rucus.ru.ac.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <19990209093459.19184.qmail@rucus.ru.ac.za>; from Geoff Rehmet on Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 09:34:59AM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It may even be necessary to use bpf initially, but there must be a more > elegant way - having a quick look around - it would be a good idea to > look at the code which already exists in libstand > (/usr/src/lib/libstand/bootp.c). There is. Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:20:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199809161920.PAA07963@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> ..snip.. The problem is that the network code assumes, at a very deep level, that you can't have any IP traffic until you have an address configured (and this is wrong, but requires work to fix). -GAWollman Unfortunately, I don't have the knowledge of the part of the kernel that needs changing. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 03:22:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA03352 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:22:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA03333 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:22:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA19358; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:39:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:39:11 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Steve Kargl Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Message-ID: <19990209003911.C19070@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199902090618.RAA03960@cimlogic.com.au> <199902090631.WAA65428@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <199902090631.WAA65428@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>; from Steve Kargl on Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 10:31:49PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > David's original email said he was going to commit without giving > a justification. I call it bloat, then the justifications pour in. I may have been too close to the situation. JKH asked for a DHCP client on -STABLE a few days ago to add to the boot floppy. He now has one. I was taking the "contribute code, not ideas with no one to act on them" route. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 03:22:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA03362 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:22:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA03337 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:22:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA19523; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:49:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:49:08 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Mike Smith Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Message-ID: <19990209004908.E19070@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199902090710.XAA00562@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <199902090710.XAA00562@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 11:10:53PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 11:10:53PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > There are any number of reasons for going with the ISC client, > including an involved ISC developer that's keen to help it happen. The WIDE project has been very responsive in the past in supporting their products on FreeBSD. Unless this person is a committer, or there is another committer wanting to carry the issue, I use the WIDE client daily. There are good reasons to with with either client. I'm not sure what best criteria to use in picking one other, except support and maintenance. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 03:22:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA03382 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:22:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA03341 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:22:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA19306; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:36:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:36:18 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Steve Kargl Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Message-ID: <19990209003618.B19070@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <3124.918540757@gjp.erols.com> <199902090634.WAA65450@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <199902090634.WAA65450@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>; from Steve Kargl on Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 10:34:52PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > *DO* *NOT* *SUPPORT* *STATIC* *IP* *ASSIGNMENTS*. How can we make this any > > clearer to you? Its fine to say `I don't want to see DHCP in the base system' > Then, *BUY* the cd-rom and support the FreeBSD project. Maybe Gary isn't yelling loud enought, so let me try. I AM part of the FreeBSD Project. I'm contributing about as much as I possibly can. My home machines are on the campus Ethernet. *STATIC* *IP* *ASSIGNMENTS* *DO* *NOT* *EXIST*. If you care to see the 80-some-odd ports I maintain to continue to be so; you will not mind me being able to get an IP address for my test boxes will you? Of course I could just install the 3.0-R CDROM, but then I guess you might get upset when the ports I maintain don't work on the upcoming release. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 03:22:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA03396 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:22:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA03353 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:22:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA19435; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:44:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:44:44 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Dom Mitchell Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Message-ID: <19990209004444.D19070@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990208142820.A9457@relay.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from Dom Mitchell on Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 08:00:38AM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > What impact will this have on the rc files? How will it affect > rc.conf, seeing as it overrides several values therein? Most basic, you would have ``network_interfaces="lo0 fxp0"'' as usual, but no "ifconfig_fxp0="inet ...." line. Rather you would have a ``/etc/start_if.fxp0'' file with: /sbin/dhcpc fxp0 sleep 10 in it. If you want to assign your own hostname, you may continue to do so in the normal manner. If you use ``dhcpc -n fxp0'', dhcpc will do ``hostname <...>'' with the hostname returned by the DHCP server. If you want to specify your /etc/resolv.conf file, you may do so. Or use ``dhcp -r fxp0'' to create one for you. > What happens if your lease expires and doesn't get renewed, or gets > renewed with a different IP address? You will get "no route to host" type messages. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 03:22:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA03412 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:22:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA03365 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:22:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA19178 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:28:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:28:59 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Message-ID: <19990209002859.A19070@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199902090637.WAA08081@kithrup.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <199902090637.WAA08081@kithrup.com>; from Sean Eric Fagan on Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 10:37:31PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Would you please settle on a set of misinformation and stick with it? > > isc-dhcp's client *does* have a very extensive configuration file. Same > parser as the server. Ok! So I'll stop passing on this information, I'll try it again. Last time I used ISC-dhclient, it did infact REQUIRE a configuration file. Now a zero length file might of done the trick.. but it bitched about a non-existent file. and would not fetch an IP address for me when I ran it. So maybe it is a documentation over-site. Maybe now it says "configuration file not found, using built-in defaults". Contract with the WIDE-dhcpc which Just Worked(tm). -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 03:25:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA03736 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:25:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.30.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA03718 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:24:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA05261 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:24:59 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from kuku) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:24:59 +0100 (MET) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <199902091124.MAA05261@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE> To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 3.0 install woes Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I took a 3.0 kernel #3 floppy and tried to install 3.0 on two systems and both failed: 1. System: PCB Motherboard , Amd 386/40, Cyrix FasMath (w/ or w/o) 8 MB, IDE IBM DHEA 38451 (16384/16/63) The most I could achieve was booting up into blue install screen mode but got hung during probing devices (only NE2000, VGA and IDE controller present, nothing fancy). 2. System ASUS P55T2P4, same HD, but also SCSI disks and a Syquest removable medium. P5/200, 128 MB, xl0 network device. Symptoms: at boot: prompt there is a long beep (for a second or so) finds xl0, SCSI disks but wdc0 and wdc1 are not found !. (although the HD is there in the BIOS) Comes up into install mode, but when choosing custom->partition there are No disks found. -- Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 03:25:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA03807 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:25:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from solaris.matti.ee (solaris.matti.ee [194.126.98.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA03782 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:25:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vallo@myhakas.matti.ee) Received: from myhakas.matti.ee (myhakas.matti.ee [194.126.114.87]) by solaris.matti.ee (8.8.8/8.8.8.s) with ESMTP id KAA16906; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:25:10 +0200 (EET) Received: (from vallo@localhost) by myhakas.matti.ee (8.9.2/8.9.1) id KAA35712; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:25:09 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from vallo) Message-ID: <19990209102509.A35634@matti.ee> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:25:09 +0200 From: Vallo Kallaste To: Steve Kargl Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Reply-To: vallo@matti.ee References: <199902090032.QAA63869@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199902090032.QAA63869@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>; from Steve Kargl on Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 04:32:39PM -0800 Organization: =?iso-8859-15?Q?AS_Matti_B=FCrootehnika?= Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 04:32:39PM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: > > If we want FreeBSD to have any credibility as a workstation OS, we > > need DHCP. It should be possible for a user or admin to smack in the > > boot floppy, have it autoconfigure the selected network interface, and > > perform an FTP installation. > > > > So, we'll import a pop server, apache, g77, ad nauseam > to increase the credibility of FreeBSD as a workstation OS. That's senseless what you said. You certainly are able to imagine that in some networks you can't have static IP address, but you need to install FreeBSD over network. I'm glad to see DHCP client included onto boot floppy in the future. -- Vallo Kallaste vallo@matti.ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 03:39:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA04898 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:39:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua (ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua [212.42.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA04893 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:39:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Received: from vega. (async2-19.iptelecom.net.ua [212.42.68.147]) by ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20075; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:40:30 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Received: from altavista.net (big_brother [192.168.1.1]) by vega. (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA74581; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:37:47 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Message-ID: <36C01DEC.E580B6DE@altavista.net> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 13:37:16 +0200 From: Maxim Sobolev Organization: Vega International Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christoph Kukulies CC: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0 install woes References: <199902091124.MAA05261@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This sometimes can happen :( However, to avoid hungs - boot with -c option and in visual configure mode disable all devices which you doesn't have. Maxim Christoph Kukulies wrote: > I took a 3.0 kernel #3 floppy and tried to install 3.0 on two systems > and both failed: > > 1. System: > >      PCB Motherboard , Amd 386/40, Cyrix FasMath (w/ or w/o) >      8 MB, IDE IBM DHEA 38451 (16384/16/63) > >      The most I could achieve was booting up into blue install screen >      mode but got hung during probing devices (only NE2000, VGA and IDE >      controller present, nothing fancy). > > 2. System > >      ASUS P55T2P4, same HD, but also SCSI disks and a Syquest removable >      medium. P5/200, 128 MB, xl0 network device. > >      Symptoms: > >      at boot: prompt there is a long beep (for a second or so) > >      finds xl0, SCSI disks but wdc0 and wdc1 are not found !. >      (although the HD is there in the BIOS) > >      Comes up into install mode, but when choosing custom->partition >      there are No disks found. >   > > -- > Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 03:43:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA05773 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:43:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA05767; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:43:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA05657; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:42:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Steve Kargl cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, jabley@clear.co.nz, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Feb 1999 22:08:40 PST." <199902090608.WAA65226@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 03:42:54 -0800 Message-ID: <5653.918560574@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can we go onto a more interesting discussion? I'm a bit tired of debating the merits of DHCP or rc.conf.site.foo.bar and this discussion thread (and that one) have now moved to the "delete at first sight" stage. - Jordan > David O'Brien wrote: > > > These should be left has ports. > > > > Explain how I am to install FreeBSD at my campus when DHCP has been > > mandated. Many univ. are moving in this direction. > > > > Maybe, support WC by purchasing the cd-rom? > > Convince your University to get a large quantity of cd-roms > from WC and resell the disks to the students? > > -- > Steve > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 03:45:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA06098 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:45:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA06091 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:45:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef@kithrup.com) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13155; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:18:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:18:29 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199902090818.AAA13155@kithrup.com> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: References: "David O'Brien"'s message of "Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:28:20 -0800" Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article you write: >What impact will this have on the rc files? How will it affect >rc.conf, seeing as it overrides several values therein? PAO already has some support for this; it works, and is what I've been using. >What happens >if your lease expires and doesn't get renewed, or gets renewed with a >different IP address? That's always a problem -- I know some people at uSoft who have that happen (in Windows), and it kills their telnet sessions. It's not something we're going to be able to solve, and there really isn't one. >Having seen the complete mess that DHCP client support made of >Solaris' init files (and they were bad to start with!), I'm keen to >not see the same convolution made here. Fortunately, it shouldn't be that difficult. There's a freebsd shell script that comes with isc-dhcp that does the brunt of the work, and dhclient invokes that itself. So all the rc scripts have to do is notice that the IP address is being set by DHCP, and start dhclient, instead of running ifconfig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 04:27:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA10382 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 04:27:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA10376 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 04:27:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from green@unixhelp.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA05988; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 07:27:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 07:27:16 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Feldman X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: Matthew Dillon cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x ) In-Reply-To: <199902090414.UAA49929@apollo.backplane.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > This does not make any operational change except to get rid > of the $conf_dir junk from rc.conf, which I originally put > in to try to bootstrap rc.diskless. > > A much better way to do rc.diskless was suggested to me, > which I'm going to implement. It involves retargeting > the /conf/ME softlink by mount_union'ing a small MFS > filesystem onto /conf. Then one simply makes /etc/rc.conf.local > a softlink to /conf/ME/rc.conf.local ( i.e. a sysop would do > that as an extra, we wouldn't distribute the base system > like that of course ) > > In anycase, I've committed a new rc.conf that gets rid > of $conf_dir, FYI, and am about to commit a new rc.diskless and > new examples that uses the mount_union idea for retargeting > during a diskless boot that will be much more straightward and > obvious. > Hasn't mount_union been dead for ~forever (+/- a few years)? > -Matt > Matthew Dillon > > > > > rc_conf_files="/etc/rc.conf.site /etc/rc.conf.local" > > ... > > ############################################################## > ### Allow local configuration override at the very end here ## > ############################################################## > # > # > > for i in ${rc_conf_files}; do > if [ -f $i ]; then > . $i > fi > done > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > Brian Feldman _ __ ___ ___ ___ green@unixhelp.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ http://www.freebsd.org/ _ __ ___ ____ | _ \__ \ |) | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ ___ ____ _____ |___/___/___/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 05:23:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA13912 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 05:23:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail-spool.is.co.za (mail-spool.is.co.za [196.4.160.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA13906; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 05:22:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from geoffr@is.co.za) Received: from admin.is.co.za (admin.is.co.za [196.23.0.9]) by mail-spool.is.co.za (8.8.6/IShub#3) with ESMTP id LAA15562; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:20:32 +0200 Received: from isjhbex01.is.co.za (isjhbex01.is.co.za [196.26.1.16]) by admin.is.co.za (8.8.6/8.7.3/ISsubsidiary#1) with ESMTP id LAA02565; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:20:52 +0200 (GMT) Received: by isjhbex01.is.co.za with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1JKPPHHD>; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:15:58 +0200 Message-ID: <3D5EC7D2992BD211A95600A0C9CE047F017E220E@isjhbex01.is.co.za> From: Geoff Rehmet To: "'obrien@FreeBSD.ORG'" Cc: "'current@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:15:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -----Original Message----- > From: David O'Brien [mailto:obrien@NUXI.com] > Sent: 09 February 1999 10:54 > To: Geoff Rehmet > Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ > > > > It may even be necessary to use bpf initially, but there > must be a more > > elegant way - having a quick look around - it would be a > good idea to > > look at the code which already exists in libstand > > (/usr/src/lib/libstand/bootp.c). > > There is. > > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:20:45 -0400 (EDT) > From: Garrett Wollman > Message-Id: <199809161920.PAA07963@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> > > ..snip.. > The problem is that the network code assumes, at a very > deep level, > that you can't have any IP traffic until you have an address > configured (and this is wrong, but requires work to fix). > > -GAWollman > > Unfortunately, I don't have the knowledge of the part of the > kernel that > needs changing. Hopefully, it will be possible to find the person who will be able to do that work - I also do not have the knowledge to do this. It is probably worth fixing, to get a more elegant way for DHCP to work, and I believe that DHCP should be committed with a view to changing the use of bpf. I realise this is not an easy proposition. Geoff. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 05:55:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16074 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 05:55:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.30.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16043 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 05:55:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.8.8/8.8.7) id OAA05696; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:54:57 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from kuku) Message-ID: <19990209145457.B5663@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:54:57 +0100 From: Christoph Kukulies To: Maxim Sobolev , Christoph Kukulies Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0 install woes References: <199902091124.MAA05261@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE> <36C01DEC.E580B6DE@altavista.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91 In-Reply-To: <36C01DEC.E580B6DE@altavista.net>; from Maxim Sobolev on Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 01:37:16PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 01:37:16PM +0200, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > This sometimes can happen :( However, to avoid hungs - boot with -c option > and in visual configure mode disable all devices which you doesn't have. I should have mentioned that I did that already. The installation disk lets you enter into this mode anyway, so there is no need for the -c option or am I wrong? > > Maxim > > Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > > I took a 3.0 kernel #3 floppy and tried to install 3.0 on two systems > > and both failed: > > > > 1. System: > > > >      PCB Motherboard , Amd 386/40, Cyrix FasMath (w/ or w/o) > >      8 MB, IDE IBM DHEA 38451 (16384/16/63) > > > >      The most I could achieve was booting up into blue install screen > >      mode but got hung during probing devices (only NE2000, VGA and IDE > >      controller present, nothing fancy). > > > > 2. System > > > >      ASUS P55T2P4, same HD, but also SCSI disks and a Syquest removable > >      medium. P5/200, 128 MB, xl0 network device. > > > >      Symptoms: > > > >      at boot: prompt there is a long beep (for a second or so) > > > >      finds xl0, SCSI disks but wdc0 and wdc1 are not found !. > >      (although the HD is there in the BIOS) > > > >      Comes up into install mode, but when choosing custom->partition > >      there are No disks found. > >   > > > > -- > > Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message -- --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 06:11:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA18822 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 06:11:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA18815 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 06:11:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 9 Feb 99 14:11:32 +0000 (GMT) To: Dom Mitchell cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lots of "panic: vrele: negative ref cnt" In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 06 Feb 1999 17:58:07 GMT." Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:11:32 +0000 From: David Malone Message-ID: <9902091411.aa13395@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I've seen identical panics when using nmh's spost command to send > mail. Instant panic saying "negative ref cnt". This is using an NFS > mounted home directory (containing the draft mail to be sent). > Unfortunately, I didn't have time to investigate further, so I just > switched over to using SMTP instead. We think we've sorted out this problem. Trying to make a cross device link to an NFS filesystem decreases the reference count twice, so if you do this a few times you can panic a machine. I've submitted a gnats report (kern/9970). David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 06:22:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20222 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 06:22:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomad.dataplex.net (nomad.dataplex.net [208.2.87.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20217 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 06:22:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@nomad.dataplex.net) Received: from localhost (rkw@localhost) by nomad.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05053; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:22:15 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rkw@nomad.dataplex.net) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:22:15 -0600 (CST) From: Richard Wackerbarth To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Which DHCP client In-Reply-To: <5653.918560574@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan, I object to the idea that the selection of which dhcp client is being made on the basis that David has commit privledges and I do not. Further, it is clear that David has not used a recent release of the isc client and is biasing his opinion with false assertions. It is my opinion that we should not use this criteria to decide which client will become a part of the base system. I have been "bmake"ing the isc client for almost a year. Requests to get assistance in comitting it went unanswered. I believe the isc client to be a better choice. If size is a real concern, perhaps we should treat this client as we do the shell in PicoBSD. I'm not convinced that the differences are that great. However, the flexability is :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 06:39:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA22330 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 06:39:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (mail1.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA22324; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 06:39:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wghicks@bellsouth.net) Received: from wghicks.bellsouth.net (host-209-214-66-114.atl.bellsouth.net [209.214.66.114]) by mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10349; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:39:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wghicks.bellsouth.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA40381; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:56:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net) To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com Cc: wghicks@bellsouth.net, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@NUXI.com, sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu, jabley@clear.co.nz, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 Feb 1999 21:05:59 -0800" <4755.918536759@zippy.cdrom.com> References: <4755.918536759@zippy.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on XEmacs 20.4 (Emerald) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990209095653R.wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 09:56:53 -0500 From: W Gerald Hicks X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 22 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 21:05:59 -0800 > > Make sysinstall be able to pkg_add? We do something similar to > > It can already pkg_add. However, I need dhcp in the crunched image > since I can't very well GET a package if I don't have any bloody IP > addresses to configure the network interface with and the user doesn't > know what they are either. :-) > > - Jordan > I wasn't clear about that (sorry - long day). I meant something like pkg_add for extending the sysinstall environment, not the one being installed. Cheers, Jerry Hicks wghicks@bellsouth.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 06:50:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA23845 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 06:50:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA23836 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 06:50:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id XAA28130; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:50:25 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36C04778.C781EB4@newsguy.com> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 23:34:32 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Kargl , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ References: <199902090600.WAA65168@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve Kargl wrote: > > Drop FreeBSD cd-rom into tray (or caddy). > mount_cd9660 /dev/cd0a /mnt > pkg_add dhcp > umount /mnt What about us without FreeBSD cd-roms? -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org Well, as a computer geek, I have to believe in the binary universe. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 06:50:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA23864 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 06:50:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA23841 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 06:50:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id XAA28111; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:50:23 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36C044E8.3076515B@newsguy.com> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 23:23:36 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karl Pielorz , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ References: <199902090639.WAA08295@kithrup.com> from Sean Eric Fagan at "Feb 8, 1999 10:39:29 pm" <199902090718.XAA10270@kithrup.com> <36BFE75C.E7EC4DCC@tdx.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Karl Pielorz wrote: > > Whilst the argument about removing the source tree / kernel source etc. has > always been pretty mute (what hackers not worth their salt don't come > prepared? :) - I don't like the idea of every root exploiter just being able > to 'instantly' sit there and run BPF! (Without even things like tripwire > having a chance of detecting a kernel change). Err... what about kld? Or you are basing your security on a hacker's lazyness? -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org Well, as a computer geek, I have to believe in the binary universe. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 06:50:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA23892 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 06:50:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA23876; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 06:50:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id XAA28094; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:50:17 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36C041F5.28C9AB40@newsguy.com> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 23:11:01 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Kargl CC: Joe Abley , obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ References: <199902082319.PAA63547@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve Kargl wrote: > > > > The plan is to make a boot floppy / boot CDROM with a DHCP client on it. > > Content-Type: text/BLOAT > > These should be left has ports. I disagree. It is very common nowadays to need to extract your IP address through DHCP. Not having a DHCP boot floppy/cd is a serious disadvantage. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org Well, as a computer geek, I have to believe in the binary universe. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 06:57:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24786 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 06:57:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (mail1.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24780; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 06:57:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wghicks@bellsouth.net) Received: from wghicks.bellsouth.net (host-209-214-66-114.atl.bellsouth.net [209.214.66.114]) by mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24441; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wghicks.bellsouth.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA40403; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:14:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net) To: jb@cimlogic.com.au Cc: sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, jabley@clear.co.nz, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:18:35 +1100 (EST)" <199902090618.RAA03960@cimlogic.com.au> References: <199902090618.RAA03960@cimlogic.com.au> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on XEmacs 20.4 (Emerald) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990209101434E.wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 10:14:34 -0500 From: W Gerald Hicks X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 33 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: John Birrell > Or convince FreeBSD developers to simply add a DHCP client to the base > sources and build a boot/install floppy with that functionality. > No user cost. No user hassle. Why not?! Sigh. Agree that this should be done for now. Absolutely. In the long run, an extensible sysinstall will help with these matters. I haven't really examined them yet, but feel safe in assuming that there is a fair amount of unused space on the two floppy installation diskette set. It shouldn't be necessary to extract everything that might ship on these floppies for every user. I'm not certain what the minimum installation footprint is right now but would probably be safe in assuming that it is growing. I sincerely believe that getting the filesystem layering code into shape is a good first step toward a more flexible sysinstall. Cheers, Jerry Hicks wghicks@bellsouth.net > -- > John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ > CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 07:01:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25190 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 07:01:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25180 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 07:01:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA15182; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:00:58 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id QAA95983; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:00:58 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:00:54 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Matthew Dillon Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x ) Message-ID: <19990209160054.B95806@bitbox.follo.net> References: <199902090414.UAA49929@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <199902090414.UAA49929@apollo.backplane.com>; from Matthew Dillon on Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 08:14:55PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 08:14:55PM -0800, Matthew Dillon wrote: > This does not make any operational change except to get rid > of the $conf_dir junk from rc.conf, which I originally put > in to try to bootstrap rc.diskless. > > A much better way to do rc.diskless was suggested to me, > which I'm going to implement. It involves retargeting > the /conf/ME softlink by mount_union'ing a small MFS Union mounts do not work, and I believe they are some distance from working (unless you have better patches than I do, of course). Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 07:24:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA27935 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 07:24:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA27927 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 07:24:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA06301; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 07:22:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Richard Wackerbarth cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which DHCP client In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Feb 1999 08:22:15 CST." Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 07:22:47 -0800 Message-ID: <6298.918573767@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I object to the idea that the selection of which dhcp client > is being made on the basis that David has commit privledges > and I do not. Further, it is clear that David has not used a > recent release of the isc client and is biasing his opinion > with false assertions. Hmmmm. From where I'm sitting, it looked more to me like he was selecting it based on the fact that he liked the WIDE client a lot more. I personally am ambivalent about which client is chosen just so long as *a* client is chosen. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 07:31:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA28758 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 07:31:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA28751 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 07:31:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA16469; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:31:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:31:31 -0500 (EST) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199902091531.KAA16469@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: "Geoff Rehmet" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <19990209091330.18608.qmail@rucus.ru.ac.za> References: <199902090639.WAA08295@kithrup.com> <19990209091330.18608.qmail@rucus.ru.ac.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: > The issue, as I understand it, is to get a reply from an unknown server > (who has an IP address), while you have no IP address. You also have to send a packet *from* 0.0.0.0 (since you have no IP address). I'm almost irritated enough to consider fixing this this week. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 07:49:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA00748 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 07:49:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00621 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 07:49:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@florence.pavilion.net) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.1/8.8.8) id PAA31626; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:08:04 GMT (envelope-from joe) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:08:04 +0000 From: Josef Karthauser To: Robert Nordier Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New boot blocks + serial hardware handshaking? Message-ID: <19990209150804.H83748@florence.pavilion.net> References: <19990118151749.A68260@florence.pavilion.net> <199901181739.TAA04407@ceia.nordier.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <199901181739.TAA04407@ceia.nordier.com>; from Robert Nordier on Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 07:39:06PM +0200 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-1273-607072 Fax: +44-1273-607073 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 07:39:06PM +0200, Robert Nordier wrote: > Josef Karthauser wrote: > > As the one who did the actual coding, I can confirm that the approach > adopted in both the new bootblocks and the boot loader is virtually > identical to that used in the older (biosboot) bootblocks. In all > cases, the simplest approach giving the smallest code sizes was > used, so there's very little difference between the three sets of > routines. > > The above applies to 3.0-current. In 3.0-release, the boot loader > was still using BIOS routines (with hardware handshaking), but this > was changed around late November 1998. I've now confirmed this. The problems that we saw in October have indeed been fixed. Thanks, Joe -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? Technical Manager Viagra for your server (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 08:00:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02260 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:00:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomad.nobell.com (nomad.nobell.com [208.24.204.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02255 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:00:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@nomad.nobell.com) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by nomad.nobell.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00818; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:59:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from root@nomad.nobell.com) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:59:52 -0600 (CST) From: Charlie ROOT To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Richard Wackerbarth , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which DHCP client In-Reply-To: <6298.918573767@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I do not dispute that he "likes" the WIDE client. However, his choice seems to be based on familarity rather than CURRENT technical evaluation. I have (recently) tried both clients. For the simple case, both work satisfactorily. The ISC client/server (pl10) builds right out of the box. I prefer it because of the additional flexability it provides for the non-trivial case. On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > I personally am ambivalent about which client is chosen just so > long as *a* client is chosen. I agree that this is the important issue. If someone will agree to commit the files, I'd be happy to supply the pieces for the ISC DHCP2 client to drop in. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 08:05:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02697 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:05:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bubba.whistle.com (s205m7.whistle.com [207.76.205.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02692 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:05:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id IAA32486 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:05:25 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199902091605.IAA32486@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <199902090637.WAA08081@kithrup.com> from Sean Eric Fagan at "Feb 8, 99 10:37:31 pm" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:05:25 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sean Eric Fagan writes: > >There is NO config file which means its damn annoying for you to tweak how it works.. > > Would you please settle on a set of misinformation and stick with it? > > isc-dhcp's client *does* have a very extensive configuration file. Same > parser as the server. > > In 99.9% of cases, it needs to be a 0-length file. I agree that ISC is better software (in terms of design, configurability, etc). We use the ISC server (highly modified for our product) on the InterJet and it works fine. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 08:08:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03002 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:08:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misha.cisco.com (misha.cisco.com [171.69.206.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02975 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:08:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mi@misha.cisco.com) Received: (from mi@localhost) by misha.cisco.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA09757 for current@freebsd.org; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:03:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi) From: Mikhail Teterin Message-Id: <199902091603.LAA09757@misha.cisco.com> Subject: DHCP, install, security To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:03:25 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: mi@aldan.algebra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL52 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG How about putting bpf functionality into install-kernel, but not into the GENERIC kernel? If the install required the use of dhcp, sysinstall should yell about having to rebuild the kernel with bpf-device in. On the other hand, the security-concerned ISPs and others can rebuild their kernels to remove the bpf (they probably rebuild them anyway for other reasons, or should do that anyway). -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 08:13:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03591 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:13:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03586 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:13:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA06849; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:12:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: mi@aldan.algebra.com cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DHCP, install, security In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Feb 1999 11:03:25 EST." <199902091603.LAA09757@misha.cisco.com> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 08:12:50 -0800 Message-ID: <6846.918576770@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > How about putting bpf functionality into install-kernel, but not > into the GENERIC kernel? That's already going to happen since the dhcp client isn't going to be very useful otherwise. Since this affects only the installation kernel, it's nothing that anyone should take issue with. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 08:20:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA04767 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:20:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua (ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua [212.42.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04757 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:20:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Received: from vega. (async2-40.iptelecom.net.ua [212.42.68.168]) by ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA07076 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:22:38 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Received: from altavista.net (big_brother [192.168.1.1]) by vega. (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA76066 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:20:14 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Message-ID: <36C0601D.D90D7117@altavista.net> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 18:19:41 +0200 From: Maxim Sobolev Organization: Vega International Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Buildworld FAILS for 2 days!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi folks, It seems to me that most of all people in the developer list carried away with DHCP issue and just ignore that buildworld fails continuously for 2 days in /usr/src/sys/i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c. Please get rid of it!!! Sincerely, Maxim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 08:22:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA04996 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:22:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04989; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:22:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA16522; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:40:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:40:51 -0500 (EST) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199902091540.KAA16522@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Eivind Eklund Cc: Matthew Dillon , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x ) In-Reply-To: <19990209160054.B95806@bitbox.follo.net> References: <199902090414.UAA49929@apollo.backplane.com> <19990209160054.B95806@bitbox.follo.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: >> A much better way to do rc.diskless was suggested to me, >> which I'm going to implement. It involves retargeting >> the /conf/ME softlink by mount_union'ing a small MFS > Union mounts do not work, and I believe they are some distance from > working (unless you have better patches than I do, of course). Last I checked, union mounts work just fine, thank you very much. unionfs (which should have been called `translucentfs') is what doesn't work. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 08:27:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05498 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:27:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rembrandt.esys.ca (rembrandt.esys.ca [198.161.92.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05491 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:27:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lyndon@execmail.com) Received: from execmail.com (zappa.esys.ca [198.161.92.28]) by rembrandt.esys.ca (2.1/8.9.1/Execmail 2.1) with ESMTP id JAA20153 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:27:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199902091627.JAA20153@rembrandt.esys.ca> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:27:44 -0700 From: Lyndon Nerenberg Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ To: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4735.918536634@zippy.cdrom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 8 Feb, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> These should be left has ports. > > Can't really get away with that anymore - too many people require > DHCP for very basic bootstrapping. To insert some reality into this discussion, a quick survey at the office shows: Platform Has DHCP -------------------------------- Irix 6.5 Yes Solaris 2.5.1 No HP/UX 10.20 Yes Linux (RH 5.x) Yes AIX 4.2 Yes BSD/OS 4.0 Yes FreeBSD 2.X, 3.X No A "yes" means "ships with the base OS." I'll also note that the ASUS motherboards I use in our servers have BOOTP in the BIOS to support net booting via the onboard Intel Pro/100 interfaces. It's time to get out of the stone age, folks. --lyndon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 08:37:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA06422 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:37:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA06404 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:37:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (IDENT:4xIo8v23Hql8dWxxuA8tb7QzIeqNnwdS@greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA08530; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:37:23 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (IDENT:8HlJqIdlOBhqOdTCI0wxTZRwl6EaW0Ky@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA61214; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:37:22 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Message-Id: <199902091637.SAA61214@greenpeace.grondar.za> To: obrien@NUXI.com cc: Steve Kargl , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: Your message of " Tue, 09 Feb 1999 00:39:11 PST." <19990209003911.C19070@relay.nuxi.com> References: <199902090618.RAA03960@cimlogic.com.au> <199902090631.WAA65428@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <19990209003911.C19070@relay.nuxi.com> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 18:37:21 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "David O'Brien" wrote: > I was taking the "contribute code, not ideas with no one to act on them" > route. Hear, Hear! Please import this, it will certainly make may (and many of those I work with) lives a $#!tload easier. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 08:56:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA08654 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:56:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hebe.or.intel.com (hebe.or.intel.com [134.134.248.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08648; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:56:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wscott@ichips.intel.com) Received: from ichips-jf.jf.intel.com (ichips-jf.jf.intel.com [134.134.50.200]) by hebe.or.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 1998/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id JAA21906; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:06:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from pdxlx103.pdx.intel.com (pdxlx103.pdx.intel.com [137.102.207.189]) by ichips-jf.jf.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: internal.m4,v 1.2 1998/11/09 19:18:37 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id IAA01443; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:56:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdxlx103.pdx.intel.com (8.9.2/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA96430; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:56:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wscott@ichips.intel.com) To: root@nomad.dataplex.net Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:11:54 -0600 (CST)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 20.3 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990209085604Y.wscott@ichips.intel.com> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 08:56:04 -0800 From: Wayne Scott X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 19 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: Charlie ROOT > Although it is somewhat larger, the ISC dhcp2 client has significantly > more flexability WRT options beyond the bare basics. > > I would recommend that the default client on HD based systems be the > ISC client because of that flexability. I have to agree here. The problem with ISC is the example configuration file in the manpage is much too complicated. It scares people off. 99% of the people don't need that. My config file is: send host-name "pdxlx103"; One line that's it. -Wayne To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 08:58:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA08881 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:58:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rembrandt.esys.ca (rembrandt.esys.ca [198.161.92.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08873 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:58:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lyndon@execmail.com) Received: from execmail.com (zappa.esys.ca [198.161.92.28]) by rembrandt.esys.ca (2.1/8.9.1/Execmail 2.1) with ESMTP id JAA20395 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:58:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199902091658.JAA20395@rembrandt.esys.ca> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:58:17 -0700 From: Lyndon Nerenberg Subject: DHCP bpf alternatives To: current@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG An alternative to dhclient and bpf would be to add an ioctl that would force an interface to initiate a DHCP configuration. This would allow for something like: ifconfig ep0 dhcp Of course, this means moving the entire DHCP state engine into the kernel ... --lyndon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 08:59:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09073 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:59:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA09063 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:59:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 13372 invoked by uid 1001); 9 Feb 1999 16:59:46 +0000 (GMT) To: lyndon@execmail.com Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:27:44 -0700" References: <199902091627.JAA20153@rembrandt.esys.ca> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:59:46 +0100 Message-ID: <13370.918579586@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > To insert some reality into this discussion, a quick survey at the > office shows: > > Platform Has DHCP > -------------------------------- > Irix 6.5 Yes > Solaris 2.5.1 No ... and Solaris 2.6 has DHCP. > HP/UX 10.20 Yes > Linux (RH 5.x) Yes > AIX 4.2 Yes > BSD/OS 4.0 Yes > FreeBSD 2.X, 3.X No > > A "yes" means "ships with the base OS." Yes, having a DHCP client as a standard part of the system wold be nice. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 09:22:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA11621 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:22:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11615 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:22:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id SAA01833; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:22:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Maxim Sobolev Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Buildworld FAILS for 2 days!!!! References: <36C0601D.D90D7117@altavista.net> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 09 Feb 1999 18:22:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: Maxim Sobolev's message of "Tue, 09 Feb 1999 18:19:41 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Maxim Sobolev writes: > It seems to me that most of all people in the developer list carried > away with DHCP issue and just ignore that buildworld fails continuously > for 2 days in /usr/src/sys/i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c. Please get rid of > it!!! If you followed the appropriate lists, you'd know the cause of this breakage, and why it wasn't fixed until three hours ago. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 09:24:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA11865 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:24:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shattered.disturbed.net (shattered.disturbed.net [192.139.81.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11845 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:23:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from veers@disturbed.net) Received: from shattered.disturbed.net ([192.139.81.180]:47116 "EHLO shattered" ident: "veers") by disturbed.net with ESMTP id <61576-17415>; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:24:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:24:38 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Perel To: Steve Kargl cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <199902090637.WAA65490@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Steve Kargl wrote: > Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > > > On 09-Feb-99 Steve Kargl wrote: > > > > And just WHERE is the package?? Often on an NFS or FTP server, no?? > > > > And just HOW am I to communicate with that NFS or FTP server?? > > > Drop FreeBSD cd-rom into tray (or caddy). > > > mount_cd9660 /dev/cd0a /mnt > > > pkg_add dhcp > > > umount /mnt > > Excuse me sir.. I am but a poor student.. > > > > Or I'd like to play with FreeBSD, but I'd rather not fork out US$30 for something I > > haven't tested. > > > > Cheapbytes. Support the project and Walnut Creek CDROM. Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 09:24:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA11938 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:24:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11928; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:24:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id JAA58629; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:24:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:24:12 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199902091724.JAA58629@apollo.backplane.com> To: Garrett Wollman Cc: Eivind Eklund , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x ) References: <199902090414.UAA49929@apollo.backplane.com> <19990209160054.B95806@bitbox.follo.net> <199902091540.KAA16522@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :>> the /conf/ME softlink by mount_union'ing a small MFS : :> Union mounts do not work, and I believe they are some distance from :> working (unless you have better patches than I do, of course). : :Last I checked, union mounts work just fine, thank you very much. :unionfs (which should have been called `translucentfs') is what :doesn't work. : :-GAWollman union mounts are broken. I must have panic'd my test box 50 times trying to get them to work. null mounts are also broken -- mmap()ing NFS based files through a null mount doesn't work, amoung other things. Fortunately I found another way using the less sophisticated -o union type of mount ( verses the more sophisticated mount_union ). -Matt Matthew Dillon :-- :Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same :wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom :Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame :MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 09:25:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA12140 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:25:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12135 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:25:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA27331; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:25:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:25:40 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Charlie ROOT Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which DHCP client Message-ID: <19990209092540.A27201@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <6298.918573767@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from Charlie ROOT on Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 09:59:52AM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 09:59:52AM -0600, Charlie ROOT wrote: > If someone will agree to commit the files, I'd be happy to supply > the pieces for the ISC DHCP2 client to drop in. I already have a bmaked ISC v2 dhclient. I bmaked both so I would more informated about how easy either would be to add to the tree. I will spend some time today and reflect on which client I still prefer in import. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 09:28:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA12436 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:28:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12423 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:28:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA16938; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:28:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:28:00 -0500 (EST) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199902091728.MAA16938@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Matthew Dillon Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x ) In-Reply-To: <199902091724.JAA58629@apollo.backplane.com> References: <199902090414.UAA49929@apollo.backplane.com> <19990209160054.B95806@bitbox.follo.net> <199902091540.KAA16522@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <199902091724.JAA58629@apollo.backplane.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: > union mounts are broken. I must have panic'd my test box 50 times > trying to get them to work. > Fortunately I found another way using the less sophisticated > -o union type of mount That is a union mount. Which is it -- broken or not? -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 09:28:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA12486 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:28:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12481 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:28:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA27407; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:28:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:28:21 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Lyndon Nerenberg Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Message-ID: <19990209092821.B27201@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <4735.918536634@zippy.cdrom.com> <199902091627.JAA20153@rembrandt.esys.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <199902091627.JAA20153@rembrandt.esys.ca>; from Lyndon Nerenberg on Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 09:27:44AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 09:27:44AM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > Platform Has DHCP > -------------------------------- > Irix 6.5 Yes > Solaris 2.5.1 No Solaris 2.6 Yes You should have used a more modern Solaris. It helps your argment. :-) .... > It's time to get out of the stone age, folks. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 09:37:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13305 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:37:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13297; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:37:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id SAA01929; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:37:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Garrett Wollman , Eivind Eklund , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x ) References: <199902090414.UAA49929@apollo.backplane.com> <19990209160054.B95806@bitbox.follo.net> <199902091540.KAA16522@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <199902091724.JAA58629@apollo.backplane.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 09 Feb 1999 18:36:58 +0100 In-Reply-To: Matthew Dillon's message of "Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:24:12 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Dillon writes: > union mounts are broken. I must have panic'd my test box 50 times > trying to get them to work. Nonono. The union filesystem ('mount -t union') is broken. Union mounts ('mount -o union') are not. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 09:41:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13918 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:41:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13901; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:41:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfieber@fallout.campusview.indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA38058; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:40:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:40:58 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <19990209092821.B27201@relay.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 09:27:44AM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > > > Platform Has DHCP > > -------------------------------- > > Irix 6.5 Yes > > Solaris 2.5.1 No > Solaris 2.6 Yes > > You should have used a more modern Solaris. It helps your argment. :-) Digital Unix 4.0 Yes -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 09:41:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13938 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:41:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13909; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:41:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id JAA58839; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:41:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:41:14 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199902091741.JAA58839@apollo.backplane.com> To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Garrett Wollman , Eivind Eklund , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x ) References: <199902090414.UAA49929@apollo.backplane.com> <19990209160054.B95806@bitbox.follo.net> <199902091540.KAA16522@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <199902091724.JAA58629@apollo.backplane.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Matthew Dillon writes: :> union mounts are broken. I must have panic'd my test box 50 times :> trying to get them to work. : :Nonono. The union filesystem ('mount -t union') is broken. Union :mounts ('mount -o union') are not. : :DES :-- :Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no Ack. We're just confusing terminology. We're both saying the same thing. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 09:51:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15065 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:51:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA15060 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:51:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24533; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:51:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA48611; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:51:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:51:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199902091751.JAA48611@vashon.polstra.com> To: obrien@NUXI.com Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <19990209003618.B19070@relay.nuxi.com> References: <3124.918540757@gjp.erols.com> <199902090634.WAA65450@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <19990209003618.B19070@relay.nuxi.com>, David O'Brien wrote: > Maybe Gary isn't yelling loud enought, so let me try. > > I AM part of the FreeBSD Project. I'm contributing about as much as > I possibly can. David, please Just Do It. As is often the case, the loudest of the obstructionists are nowhere to be found in the commit logs or the FreeBSD contributors list. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." -- H. L. Mencken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 09:55:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15425 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:55:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misha.cisco.com (misha.cisco.com [171.69.206.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA15406 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:55:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mi@misha.cisco.com) Received: (from mi@localhost) by misha.cisco.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA10104 for current@freebsd.org; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:51:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi) From: Mikhail Teterin Message-Id: <199902091751.MAA10104@misha.cisco.com> Subject: Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x ) In-Reply-To: <199902091724.JAA58629@apollo.backplane.com> from Matthew Dillon at "Feb 9, 1999 09:24:12 am" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:51:26 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: mi@aldan.algebra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL52 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Fortunately I found another way using the less sophisticated > -o union type of mount ( verses the more sophisticated mount_union ). Well, there are problems here too. I had /var/mail mounted with -o union from another host. My own, local, mailbox would get corrupted every once in a while -- lots of \0, some other strings. 16K in size. This is on 3.0-RELEASE, with NFSv3. The server is Solaris. -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 09:55:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15456 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:55:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA15445 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:55:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24556 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:55:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA48633; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:55:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:55:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199902091755.JAA48633@vashon.polstra.com> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which DHCP client In-Reply-To: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article , Richard Wackerbarth wrote: > I object to the idea that the selection of which dhcp client is > being made on the basis that David has commit privledges and I do > not. It's not. It's being made on the basis that David took the initiative and did the work, and you did not. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." -- H. L. Mencken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 10:09:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16971 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:09:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cygnus.rush.net (cygnus.rush.net [209.45.245.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16964 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:09:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@cygnus.rush.net) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by cygnus.rush.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA15260; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:27:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:27:28 -0500 (EST) From: perlsta To: mi@aldan.algebra.com cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x ) In-Reply-To: <199902091751.MAA10104@misha.cisco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > > Fortunately I found another way using the less sophisticated > > -o union type of mount ( verses the more sophisticated mount_union ). > > Well, there are problems here too. I had /var/mail mounted with -o union > from another host. My own, local, mailbox would get corrupted every once > in a while -- lots of \0, some other strings. 16K in size. > > This is on 3.0-RELEASE, with NFSv3. The server is Solaris. There were several NFS fixes put in after 3.0-RELEASE i do not know if they are applicable to your situation though. -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 10:10:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17083 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:10:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17070 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:10:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (IDENT:VpYUnAxEjGU7shZK4t64PPGDvZpGerxa@greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA08763; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:09:55 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (IDENT:BxX6AqlVsbVOfIpnVI5bFtH7sR4rsGr+@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA61839; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:09:55 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Message-Id: <199902091809.UAA61839@greenpeace.grondar.za> To: Lyndon Nerenberg cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DHCP bpf alternatives In-Reply-To: Your message of " Tue, 09 Feb 1999 09:58:17 MST." <199902091658.JAA20395@rembrandt.esys.ca> References: <199902091658.JAA20395@rembrandt.esys.ca> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 20:09:55 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > An alternative to dhclient and bpf would be to add an ioctl that would > force an interface to initiate a DHCP configuration. This would allow > for something like: > > ifconfig ep0 dhcp > > Of course, this means moving the entire DHCP state engine into the > kernel ... Erm, you forgot to include the patches to do this... M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 10:11:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17179 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:11:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (mail1.its.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17159; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:11:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA186364; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:12:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: drosih@pop1.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990209092540.A27201@relay.nuxi.com> References: ; from Charlie ROOT on Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 09:59:52AM -0600 <6298.918573767@zippy.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:11:34 -0500 To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: Which DHCP client Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 9:25 AM -0800 2/9/99, David O'Brien wrote: > I already have a bmaked ISC v2 dhclient. I bmaked both so I would > more informated about how easy either would be to add to the tree. > > I will spend some time today and reflect on which client I still > prefer in import. Does anyone have a good feel for which dhcp client would be better from a security standpoint? (me, I don't have a clue, but maybe that's something to consider) I'd also note that I have no particular preference which DHCP client is used, but I do very much like the idea that some DHCP capability will be available at installation time for net-installs. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 10:25:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18460 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:25:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misha.cisco.com (misha.cisco.com [171.69.206.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18440 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:25:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mi@misha.cisco.com) Received: (from mi@localhost) by misha.cisco.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA10234 for current@freebsd.org; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:21:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi) From: Mikhail Teterin Message-Id: <199902091821.NAA10234@misha.cisco.com> Subject: Re: Which DHCP client In-Reply-To: <199902091755.JAA48633@vashon.polstra.com> from John Polstra at "Feb 9, 1999 09:55:40 am" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:21:07 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: mi@aldan.algebra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL52 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Wackerbarth wrote: > > > I object to the idea that the selection of which dhcp client is > > being made on the basis that David has commit privledges and I do > > not. > > It's not. It's being made on the basis that David took the initiative > and did the work, and you did not. I think, he did. But his requests to get the thing reviewed/committed went unanswered. This is getting ugly... -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 10:25:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18527 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:25:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rembrandt.esys.ca (rembrandt.esys.ca [198.161.92.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18519 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:25:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lyndon@execmail.com) Received: from execmail.com (zappa.esys.ca [198.161.92.28]) by rembrandt.esys.ca (2.1/8.9.1/Execmail 2.1) with ESMTP id LAA21701; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:25:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199902091825.LAA21701@rembrandt.esys.ca> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:25:20 -0700 From: Lyndon Nerenberg Subject: Re: DHCP bpf alternatives To: mark@grondar.za cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199902091809.UAA61839@greenpeace.grondar.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Erm, you forgot to include the patches to do this... I'll leave that to the anti-bpf fanatics (who can also supply patches to eliminate /dev/[k]mem while they're at it). I'm quite happy seeing ISC dhclient move into /sbin. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 10:39:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA20129 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:39:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles313.castles.com [208.214.167.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20120; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:39:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03875; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:35:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199902091835.KAA03875@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG cc: Dom Mitchell , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Feb 1999 00:44:44 PST." <19990209004444.D19070@relay.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 10:35:13 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > What impact will this have on the rc files? How will it affect > > rc.conf, seeing as it overrides several values therein? > > Most basic, you would have ``network_interfaces="lo0 fxp0"'' as usual, > but no "ifconfig_fxp0="inet ...." line. Actually, I'm not sure I'd want to be that locked in. I'd have interfaces listed explicitly assume they had config data, and then specify a 'DHCP' token to have all non-listed interfaces do the DHCP thing, eg: network_interfaces="lo0 dhcp" > > What happens if your lease expires and doesn't get renewed, or gets > > renewed with a different IP address? > > You will get "no route to host" type messages. Yup. That's just the way it is - I can't imagine what alternative the original poster thought they could have, steal an address? Ignore your least? Get real. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 10:40:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA20449 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:40:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from medianstrip.net (chlojolo.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.145.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20438 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:40:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@medianstrip.net) Received: from mike.medianstrip.net (mike.medianstrip.net [10.0.0.3]) by medianstrip.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for id ECBBF14B09; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:40:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by mike.medianstrip.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 816EF36C7; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:40:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:40:29 -0500 From: mike ryan To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Message-ID: <19990209134029.A9756@medianstrip.net> References: <19990208142820.A9457@relay.nuxi.com> <19990209004444.D19070@relay.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <19990209004444.D19070@relay.nuxi.com>; from David O'Brien on Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 12:44:44AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG on Feb 9, David O'Brien wrote: > > What impact will this have on the rc files? How will it affect > > rc.conf, seeing as it overrides several values therein? > > Most basic, you would have ``network_interfaces="lo0 fxp0"'' as usual, > but no "ifconfig_fxp0="inet ...." line. > > Rather you would have a ``/etc/start_if.fxp0'' file with: > > /sbin/dhcpc fxp0 > sleep 10 this is one of the things ISC does better than WIDE, btw -- dhclient won't background itself until it has an ip address, so you don't have to guess how long it'll take to obtain a lease. no wasted time during boot if things are quick, no lost services if things are slow. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 10:58:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22470 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:58:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pinhead.parag.codegen.com ([207.44.235.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22460 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:58:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from parag@cgt.com) Received: from pinhead.parag.codegen.com (parag@localhost.parag.codegen.com [127.0.0.1]) by pinhead.parag.codegen.com (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12296 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:58:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from parag@pinhead.parag.codegen.com) Message-Id: <199902091858.KAA12296@pinhead.parag.codegen.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ X-Face: =O'Kj74icvU|oS*<7gS/8'\Pbpm}okVj*@UC!IgkmZQAO!W[|iBiMs*|)n*`X ]pW%m>Oz_mK^Gdazsr.Z0/JsFS1uF8gBVIoChGwOy{EK=<6g?aHE`[\S]C]T0Wm X-URL: http://www.codegen.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 10:58:51 -0800 From: Parag Patel Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just wanted to mention something that I haven't seen mentioned here in all the flaming and whatnot. OpenBSD ships out-of-the-box with dhcp client support available as an install option. This turned out to be very nice when I was installing it on one of my friend's Sparcs. His network is on a DSL link and has to run with DHCP - he has no static IPs available at all. OpenBSD installed and runs just fine with his network. We also tried to get Solaris7 going on one of his other Sparcs but it was a royal pain to figure out how to turn on dhcp for it. It didn't switch it on during the install nor give any hints as to how do do so. All in all, OpenBSD made a far more favorable impression on my friend than Solaris. So from a practical point-of-view, I think adding dhcp client support to FreeBSD is a good thing. Also, the argument about which dhcp server/client is better than the other, if I may suggest looking at and perhaps importing the OpenBSD code? The CHANGES file lists a bunch of security and bug fixes. I can't tell where the code is derived from. -- Parag Patel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 11:04:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23095 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:04:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pinhead.parag.codegen.com ([207.44.235.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23084 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:04:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from parag@cgt.com) Received: from pinhead.parag.codegen.com (parag@localhost.parag.codegen.com [127.0.0.1]) by pinhead.parag.codegen.com (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA12340 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:04:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from parag@pinhead.parag.codegen.com) Message-Id: <199902091904.LAA12340@pinhead.parag.codegen.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which DHCP client In-Reply-To: Message from Mikhail Teterin of "Tue, 09 Feb 1999 13:21:07 EST." <199902091821.NAA10234@misha.cisco.com> X-Face: =O'Kj74icvU|oS*<7gS/8'\Pbpm}okVj*@UC!IgkmZQAO!W[|iBiMs*|)n*`X ]pW%m>Oz_mK^Gdazsr.Z0/JsFS1uF8gBVIoChGwOy{EK=<6g?aHE`[\S]C]T0Wm X-URL: http://www.codegen.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 11:04:27 -0800 From: Parag Patel Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG May I suggest looking at the OpenBSD dhcp client/server? I'm not sure which one they're derived from, but the CHANGES file lists a bunch of bug and security fixes. -- Parag Patel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 11:05:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23204 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:05:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phluffy.fks.bt (net25-cust199.pdx.wantweb.net [24.236.25.199]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23193 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:05:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from myke@ees.com) Received: from localhost (myke@localhost) by phluffy.fks.bt (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25105; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:05:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from myke@ees.com) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:05:28 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Holling X-Sender: myke@phluffy.fks.bt To: "David O'Brien" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <19990209002859.A19070@relay.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Ok! So I'll stop passing on this information, I'll try it again. Last > time I used ISC-dhclient, it did infact REQUIRE a configuration file. > Now a zero length file might of done the trick.. but it bitched about a > non-existent file. and would not fetch an IP address for me when I ran > it. So maybe it is a documentation over-site. Maybe now it says > "configuration file not found, using built-in defaults". This is the same experience I had with ISC - it would never fetch an IP address. WIDE worked right off, so I've been sticking with that. - Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 11:09:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23553 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:09:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23546 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:09:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA29253; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:09:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:09:35 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Mike Smith Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Message-ID: <19990209110935.A29090@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990209004444.D19070@relay.nuxi.com> <199902091835.KAA03875@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <199902091835.KAA03875@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 10:35:13AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Most basic, you would have ``network_interfaces="lo0 fxp0"'' as usual, > > but no "ifconfig_fxp0="inet ...." line. > > then specify a 'DHCP' token to have all non-listed interfaces do the > DHCP thing, eg: > > network_interfaces="lo0 dhcp" Hum... can you give a little more of the approach? I'm probably just not seeing the clean way of doing this. I've got a machine on the DHCP required network with two NICs. Currently I'm only using one of them and thus don't have it listed in ``network_interfaces''. So it just happily sits there. IMHO we shouldn't try to dhcp configure it. It will just fill up logs as it continues to try to get a lease which it can't. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 11:19:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24427 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:19:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24420 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:18:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id LAA59475; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:18:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:18:53 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199902091918.LAA59475@apollo.backplane.com> To: perlsta Cc: mi@aldan.algebra.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x ) References: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :> Well, there are problems here too. I had /var/mail mounted with -o union :> from another host. My own, local, mailbox would get corrupted every once :> in a while -- lots of \0, some other strings. 16K in size. :> :> This is on 3.0-RELEASE, with NFSv3. The server is Solaris. : :There were several NFS fixes put in after 3.0-RELEASE i do not know if :they are applicable to your situation though. : :-Alfred The zero-corruption bug is fixed in both -stable and -current. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 11:21:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24704 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:21:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from assurance.rstcorp.com ([206.29.49.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24699 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:21:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vshah@rstcorp.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by assurance.rstcorp.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24691 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:20:58 -0500 Received: from sandbox.rstcorp.com(206.29.49.63) by assurance.rstcorp.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024689; Tue, 9 Feb 99 14:20:15 -0500 Received: from jabberwock.rstcorp.com (jabberwock [206.29.49.98]) by sandbox.rstcorp.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10025 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:20:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from vshah@localhost) by jabberwock.rstcorp.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id OAA03014; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:20:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:20:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902091920.OAA03014@jabberwock.rstcorp.com> From: "Viren R. Shah" To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SVR4 module doesn't load X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "Viren R. Shah" X-Face: )~y+U*K:yzjz{q<5lzpI_SVef'U.])9g[C9`1N@]u3,MHY7f*l7C)[_NjM4y4K8$uIUh|\u (K&&HS6,M!61&GMTk'mqmB/Qg]]X}"?TzsFl]"2v!bl8']dma.:^IY^a[lbOI>U:b<~FyK3q-p{HmZ mn~g.`~BE!5{2D:}Yi+\_KkWe?XaHj9$ko1k8iKLYv5*_2c8"G=?Up[}hn+7RNM(bzBZ_wWk6!Pf&B ?3Tcm7M7B~W%K/I0aX3]*=jP?aM]H6HBPT`oLk+0n^_;N\2\%|Rhy;p}34Q.jEsM\qtnxcm;ag%Nq Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is anyone having problems loading the SVR4 module? I have it loading up thru loader.rc, and I get: Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xf02a3000. Preloaded splash_image_data "/boot/splash.bmp" at 0xf02a309c. Preloaded elf module "splash_bmp.ko" at 0xf02a30ec. Preloaded elf module "cd9660.ko" at 0xf02a3190. Preloaded elf module "vesa.ko" at 0xf02a3230. Preloaded elf module "linux.ko" at 0xf02a32cc. Preloaded elf module "svr4.ko" at 0xf02a336c. link_elf: symbol msginfo undefined ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ When I try to load it using kldload, I get: [vshah@jabberwock] /sys/i386/conf# kldload /modules/svr4.ko kldload: can't load /modules/svr4.ko: Exec format error This is on a -current world as of 11:30am EST 02/09/99. [vshah@jabberwock] /sys/i386/conf# ls -la /modules/svr4.ko -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 75194 Feb 9 13:40 /modules/svr4.ko [vshah@jabberwock] /sys/i386/conf# file /modules/svr4.ko /modules/svr4.ko: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), not stripped I do have "pseudo-device streams" in my kernel config. Is there anything else that I require? Thanks Viren -- Viren R. Shah "You are about as sharp as a sack of wet mice" -- Foghorn Leghorn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 11:36:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26422 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:36:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pcnet1.pcnet.com (pcnet1.pcnet.com [204.213.232.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26410 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:36:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eischen@vigrid.com) Received: (from eischen@localhost) by pcnet1.pcnet.com (8.8.7/PCNet) id OAA22309; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:36:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:36:20 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Eischen Message-Id: <199902091936.OAA22309@pcnet1.pcnet.com> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG, parag@cgt.com Subject: Re: Which DHCP client Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > May I suggest looking at the OpenBSD dhcp client/server? I'm not sure > which one they're derived from, but the CHANGES file lists a bunch of > bug and security fixes. It looks like they're using the ISC dhcp client (and server). Dan Eischen eischen@vigrid.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 11:37:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26495 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:37:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles313.castles.com [208.214.167.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26480; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:37:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04425; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:33:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199902091933.LAA04425@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG cc: Mike Smith , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Feb 1999 11:09:35 PST." <19990209110935.A29090@relay.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 11:33:04 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Most basic, you would have ``network_interfaces="lo0 fxp0"'' as usual, > > > but no "ifconfig_fxp0="inet ...." line. > > > > then specify a 'DHCP' token to have all non-listed interfaces do the > > DHCP thing, eg: > > > > network_interfaces="lo0 dhcp" > > Hum... can you give a little more of the approach? I'm probably just not > seeing the clean way of doing this. The ISC dhclient can (IRC) take a list of interfaces not to muck with. Just pass it all the interface names on the list, minus the 'dhcp'. If you find 'dhcp' in $network_interfaces, start dhclient. > I've got a machine on the DHCP required network with two NICs. Currently > I'm only using one of them and thus don't have it listed in > ``network_interfaces''. So it just happily sits there. IMHO we > shouldn't try to dhcp configure it. It will just fill up logs as it > continues to try to get a lease which it can't. In a situation like that, you would just tune the dhcp client not to ask for a lease on that interface. You know you've done something silly; there's a mechanism to stop it breaking things. What more could you ask for? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 12:53:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05666 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:53:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from server.amis.net (server.amis.net [195.10.52.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05659 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:53:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blaz@gold.amis.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by server.amis.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id VAA28703 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:53:14 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 855 invoked by uid 1000); 9 Feb 1999 20:49:17 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Feb 1999 20:49:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:49:17 +0100 (CET) From: Blaz Zupan To: "Viren R. Shah" cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SVR4 module doesn't load In-Reply-To: <199902091920.OAA03014@jabberwock.rstcorp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Viren R. Shah wrote: > I do have "pseudo-device streams" in my kernel config. Is there > anything else that I require? Yes, I needed to add "options KTRACE". Blaz Zupan, blaz@medinet.si, http://home.amis.net/blaz Medinet d.o.o., Linhartova 21, 2000 Maribor, Slovenia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 13:30:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA10272 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:30:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA10250 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:30:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from salomon.siemens.de (salomon.siemens.de [139.23.33.13]) by david.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22627 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:30:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (curry.mchp.siemens.de [146.180.31.23]) by salomon.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00446 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:30:03 +0100 (MET) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA21967 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:30:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:30:01 +0100 From: Andre Albsmeier To: John Galbraith Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it? Message-ID: <19990209223001.A9379@internal> References: <199902090022.QAA63814@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <199902090044.RAA04115@magpie.ece.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <199902090044.RAA04115@magpie.ece.arizona.edu>; from John Galbraith on Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 05:44:33PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 08-Feb-1999 at 17:44:33 -0700, John Galbraith wrote: > Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: > > Steve Kargl writes: > > > Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > > I stumbled upon the (undocumented) gpib driver today [...] > > > Actually, John Galbraith has written > > > a better driver for the National Instrument GPIB cards. Search > > > the hardware mailing list for a URL to his latest driver. It > > > is reported to be superior to the driver in src/sys. > > > > Then why haven't we imported it yet? send-pr that baby and drop me a > > note, and I'll look into it. > > > > The last version I posted can be found at www.ece.arizona.edu:/~john. > I have been using it quite extensively for the last few months on a > 2.2.6 machine. Mostly it has been small transfers, so I haven't been > using it at heavy load. It appears to be quite stable under those > conditions. > > I have tested it on another 3.0 machine, but I haven't been using it > for real work. > > I made some extensive changes in order to support catching SRQ's using > the poll() mechanism. I almost have it, but there was one thing that > I couldn't get to work, so I haven't posted it yet. The version on > the web page is the one I am actually using, along with a bunch of > documentation. I would greatly appreciate to see this thing go into the tree. I still have to build a measurement system in our lab (you remeber, John :-)) and people there are talking about linux already :-(. Don't shoot me, but I would like to see it in 2.2.x if possible, since 3.x-STABLE still has some problems which makes it impossible for me to use it on production machines. Thanks a lot, -Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 13:32:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA10512 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:32:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from server.amis.net (server.amis.net [195.10.52.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA10500 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:32:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blaz@gold.amis.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by server.amis.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id WAA04842 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:32:34 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 1223 invoked by uid 1000); 9 Feb 1999 21:31:44 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Feb 1999 21:31:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:31:44 +0100 (CET) From: Blaz Zupan To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: HEADS UP: Spontaneous reboots Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Everybody who is experiencing spontaneous reboots under 3.0-STABLE or 4.0-CURRENT (and did not experience them with 2.2.8 or earlier) and cannot find any indication of what could be wrong (nothing on the console and nothing in syslog), please send me (in *private* mail) the output of "dmesg" on your machine and your kernel configuration file. Also send a list of all daemons that are running on a freshly booted system and any other information you think could be relevant. If you are a commiter or a networking guru, even better. :) Please send the above data, even if you have already responded to the "Spontaneous reboots" thread on this mailing list. I'm trying to compile a list of hardware and software configurations that experience the problem and see if there is something in common between them. If we want to fix the problem, we at least need a starting point. For now it looks like it is a problem with the networking code, so please send a description of what network activity is going on when you experience the reboots. I will summarize the responses I receive. Also if you have a good idea how we could attack the problem, please speak up. For now my idea is to find a common software and hardware configuration and then try to sistematically remove components that could cause the problem. I have separetely posted this message to both freebsd-current and freebsd-stable, as it seems to affect both branches. Please DO NOT respond to the mailing list. Thank you for your attention. Blaz Zupan, blaz@medinet.si, http://home.amis.net/blaz Medinet d.o.o., Linhartova 21, 2000 Maribor, Slovenia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 14:05:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA14109 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:05:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from chain.freebsd.os.org.za (chain.freebsd.os.org.za [196.7.74.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14101 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:05:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za) To: (original recipient in envelope at chain.freebsd.os.org.za) X-Disclaimer: Contents of this e-mail are the writer's opinion X-Disclaimer2: and may not be quoted, re-produced or forwarded X-Disclaimer3: (in part or whole) without the author's permission. Received: from localhost (khetan@localhost) by chain.freebsd.os.org.za (8.9.2+3.1W/8.9.2/smtpfeed 0.91) with ESMTP id AAA04562; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:04:58 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:04:53 +0200 (SAST) From: Khetan Gajjar Reply-To: Khetan Gajjar To: Maxim Sobolev cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Buildworld FAILS for 2 days!!!! In-Reply-To: <36C0601D.D90D7117@altavista.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Maxim Sobolev wrote: MS> It seems to me that most of all people in the developer list carried MS> away with DHCP issue and just ignore that buildworld fails continuously MS> for 2 days in /usr/src/sys/i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c. Please get rid of MS> it!!! I'm a FreeBSD user. I can't code, so I don't "contribute" in the code sense to the project. However, your e-mail (and many of it's ilk) raises my hackles, and I'll tell you why : 1. If you have a problem, and you're running -current, and you are 100% sure that this is affecting everyone, format a nice e-mail with sufficient details, and mail it to the list (assuming you've read the list to ensure that the problem isn't specific to you, or hasn't already been fixed). Or ask someone else you know who is running -current if they're experiencing the same problem. Or check your commit mail to see what has changed in the file(s) that is affecting you. 2. This is a co-operative project; no-one is getting paid for this, and no-one appreciates getting moaned at for something they've done for (economically speaking) free. 3. You're running -current. This assumes that you're enough of a developer (and NOT a user) to fix problems. If you can't, run - -stable or -release. 4. The people in the developer list (note: DEVELOPer list) are discussing a relatively important question about something entering the source tree. Unlike other free OS projects, in this one, most things get a good airing and people can air their views. It's a kind of a democratic autocracy. I love FreeBSD; I like the support I've received, and the lack of support at times is frustrating, but it's taught me to look for information before banging on my keyboard to the nearest @freebsd.org mailing list. I suggest you realise that unless you're paying for support and development, you're not guarenteed access to or quality of either. I can recommend a fair, commercially supported NOS - NT; you'll pay for (and sometimes receive) support, but bear in mind you can't reach their developers. EXTREMELY satisfied 4.0-current and 2.2.6-release user. - --- Khetan Gajjar (!kg1779) * khetan@iafrica.com ; khetan@os.org.za http://www.os.org.za/~khetan * Talk/Finger khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za FreeBSD enthusiast * http://www2.za.freebsd.org/ Security-wise, NT is a OS with a "kick me" sign taped to it -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNsCxCV0slw2AMOJdAQEq0wP/bYO1capvfoUugmFrxKiqui2k0V6M9vPB xeEmmUdbfnWanyvImKVoD1bB27gd8yXAnCkYd86UXCORQ+Kfvb36xKswK8MK88BY kFadnmCS636vvs5his6uOeVHmWKMwO5D+DiOghvlXJUvmluAL6lQ3FM0/Gq8mguw PgaZchYvdbE= =w674 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 14:13:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA14864 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:13:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14858 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:13:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00486; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:04:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199902092204.OAA00486@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Andre Albsmeier cc: John Galbraith , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Feb 1999 22:30:01 +0100." <19990209223001.A9379@internal> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:04:55 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I would greatly appreciate to see this thing go into the tree. I > still have to build a measurement system in our lab (you remeber, > John :-)) and people there are talking about linux already :-(. > > Don't shoot me, but I would like to see it in 2.2.x if possible, > since 3.x-STABLE still has some problems which makes it impossible > for me to use it on production machines. What crippiling disability prevents you from adding the driver yourself? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 14:21:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA15907 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:21:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA15902 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:21:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA24238 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:21:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:21:09 -0800 Message-ID: <24234.918598869@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rather that listen to people wail over the next few months, it was decided instead to go to a slight variation on the previous theme in hopes that more people will be happy with the compromise. In essence, what used to be everything in /etc/rc.conf has moved to /etc/defaults/rc.conf and this file takes care of including (optionally) /etc/rc.conf and /etc/rc.conf.local. This means that you can go back to editing /etc/rc.conf again and the expected things will happen, though those interested in the full set of tunables will still need to look at /etc/defaults/rc.conf (which, like all defaults to eventually live in that directory, will be freely upgradable by the system). Since that made rc.conf.site obsolete, it was taken out of the configuration. Please move it to rc.conf on your system, should you be one of those folks who installed from an earlier snapshot and are now updating your /etc from -current or -stable sources (not likely to be all that many people). This change will also be in 3.1. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 14:29:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17048 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:29:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from server.noc.demon.net (server.noc.demon.net [193.195.224.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA17040 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:29:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fanf@demon.net) Received: by server.noc.demon.net; id WAA13311; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:29:22 GMT Received: from fanf.noc.demon.net(195.11.55.83) by inside.noc.demon.net via smap (3.2) id xmab13304; Tue, 9 Feb 99 22:29:17 GMT Received: from fanf by fanf.noc.demon.net with local (Exim 1.73 #2) id 10ALee-0004BX-00; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:29:16 +0000 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: Tony Finch Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-Reply-To: <199902091933.LAA04425@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <19990209110935.A29090@relay.nuxi.com> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:29:16 +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > >> I've got a machine on the DHCP required network with two NICs. Currently >> I'm only using one of them and thus don't have it listed in >> ``network_interfaces''. So it just happily sits there. IMHO we >> shouldn't try to dhcp configure it. It will just fill up logs as it >> continues to try to get a lease which it can't. > >In a situation like that, you would just tune the dhcp client not to >ask for a lease on that interface. You know you've done something >silly; there's a mechanism to stop it breaking things. What more could >you ask for? POLA. Currently, an interface that isn't mentioned isn't configured at all. Changing that isn't kind. Perhaps having a variable in rc.conf that lists the interfaces to be configured with DHCP would be better? (As opposed to the statically configured interfaces.) Tony. -- f.a.n.finch dot@dotat.at fanf@demon.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 14:33:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17591 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:33:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA17586 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:33:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00642; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:29:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199902092229.OAA00642@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Tony Finch cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Feb 1999 22:29:16 GMT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:29:08 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Mike Smith wrote: > >In a situation like that, you would just tune the dhcp client not to > >ask for a lease on that interface. You know you've done something > >silly; there's a mechanism to stop it breaking things. What more could > >you ask for? > > POLA. Currently, an interface that isn't mentioned isn't configured at > all. Changing that isn't kind. Perhaps having a variable in rc.conf > that lists the interfaces to be configured with DHCP would be better? > (As opposed to the statically configured interfaces.) It depends on who's being astonished. DHCP expects to try to configure all your interfaces; that's what it's there for. On a system where a new and unexpected interface may suddenly arrive, it makes sense to have the dhcp client pick it up. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 14:37:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17951 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:37:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA17946 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:37:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA27486 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:35:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:35:51 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199902092235.OAA27486@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-Reply-To: <24234.918598869@zippy.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:21:09 -0800 >From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" >Since that made rc.conf.site obsolete, it was taken out of the >configuration. Please move it to rc.conf on your system, should you >be one of those folks who installed from an earlier snapshot and are >now updating your /etc from -current or -stable sources (not likely to >be all that many people). This change will also be in 3.1. OK; I gather that (by default) rc.conf will no longer be sourcing rc.conf.local either? Thanks, david (who is using a moderately recent SNAP for a growing number of machines) -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 14:45:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA18929 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:45:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA18920 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:45:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id OAA61427; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:45:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:45:49 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199902092245.OAA61427@apollo.backplane.com> To: David Wolfskill Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. References: <199902092235.OAA27486@pau-amma.whistle.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :>configuration. Please move it to rc.conf on your system, should you :>be one of those folks who installed from an earlier snapshot and are :>now updating your /etc from -current or -stable sources (not likely to :>be all that many people). This change will also be in 3.1. : :OK; I gather that (by default) rc.conf will no longer be sourcing :rc.conf.local either? : :Thanks, :david (who is using a moderately recent SNAP for a growing number of machines) Sniff. I liked rc.conf where it was. /etc/rc, /etc/rc.conf. /etc/rc.local, /etc/rc.conf.local. Simple and obvious. Now we have /etc/defaults/rc.conf, /etc/rc.conf, and /etc/rc.conf.local. Considerably less simple and quite unobvious. -Matt :-- :David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator :dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 : :To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org :with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message : Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 14:49:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19817 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:49:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pi.yip.org (yip.org [142.154.6.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19791 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:49:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from melange@yip.org) Received: from localhost (melange@localhost) by pi.yip.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA06201; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:49:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from melange@yip.org) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:49:55 -0500 (EST) From: Bob K To: Matthew Dillon cc: David Wolfskill , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-Reply-To: <199902092245.OAA61427@apollo.backplane.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > Sniff. I liked rc.conf where it was. /etc/rc, /etc/rc.conf. > /etc/rc.local, /etc/rc.conf.local. Simple and obvious. > > Now we have /etc/defaults/rc.conf, /etc/rc.conf, and /etc/rc.conf.local. > Considerably less simple and quite unobvious. Erm... I thought that the point of /etc/defaults/rc.conf was that one wouldn't touch it, and only work with rc.conf? (Haven't looked at the change myself, as my test machine is dead at the moment) melange@yip.org - Shave A Tree Today! (TM) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 14:52:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20504 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:52:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20494 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:52:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA24523; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:52:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Matthew Dillon cc: David Wolfskill , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:45:49 PST." <199902092245.OAA61427@apollo.backplane.com> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:52:29 -0800 Message-ID: <24519.918600749@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Now we have /etc/defaults/rc.conf, /etc/rc.conf, and /etc/rc.conf.local. > Considerably less simple and quite unobvious. Until you have to upgrade to the latest set of "knobs"; that problem is something I think people are not focusing sufficiently on in commenting only on the downsides of this. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 14:54:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20776 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:54:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20768 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:54:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id OAA61490; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:54:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:54:01 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199902092254.OAA61490@apollo.backplane.com> To: Bob K Cc: David Wolfskill , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. References: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :> Now we have /etc/defaults/rc.conf, /etc/rc.conf, and /etc/rc.conf.local. :> Considerably less simple and quite unobvious. : :Erm... I thought that the point of /etc/defaults/rc.conf was that one :wouldn't touch it, and only work with rc.conf? : :(Haven't looked at the change myself, as my test machine is dead at the :moment) : :melange@yip.org - Shave A Tree Today! (TM) Yah... kinda like nobody is supposed to touch /etc/rc, eh? /etc/rc - no touchee /etc/rc.conf - no touchee /etc/rc.local - touchees /etc/rc.conf.local - touchees That seems pretty obvious to me. I'm still partial to my /etc/rc.conf.N idea, where /etc/rc.conf.0 is a no-touchee and /etc/rc.conf.9 is the 'user can do whatever he wants with this file' touchee. The site configurator would mess with /etc/rc.conf.2. A post-install gui configurator would mess with either /etc/rc.conf.2 or /etc/rc.conf.3. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 14:57:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21143 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:57:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21136 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:57:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id OAA61537; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:57:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:57:50 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199902092257.OAA61537@apollo.backplane.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: David Wolfskill , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. References: <24519.918600749@zippy.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :> Now we have /etc/defaults/rc.conf, /etc/rc.conf, and /etc/rc.conf.local. :> Considerably less simple and quite unobvious. : :Until you have to upgrade to the latest set of "knobs"; that problem :is something I think people are not focusing sufficiently on in :commenting only on the downsides of this. : :- Jordan /etc/rc.conf - no touchee /etc/rc.conf.local - touchees People are still stuck in the 'I want to edit /etc/rc.conf' mode of thinking. I say that if you intend to put the /etc/rc.* scripts in /etc, and make them read-only ( /etc/rc, /etc/rc.network, /etc/rc.firewall, etc... ) then /etc/rc.conf should stay where it is and also be read-only. If you want to put 'read only' junk into /etc/defaults, then why aren't you also sticking /etc/rc, /etc/rc.network, /etc/rc.firewall, etc etc etc into /etc/defaults ? It makes no sense to have an /etc/defaults/ directory if you are still mixing read-only and user-modifiable files in /etc. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 14:58:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21221 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:58:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21216 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:58:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA24402; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:38:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: David Wolfskill cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:35:51 PST." <199902092235.OAA27486@pau-amma.whistle.com> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:38:44 -0800 Message-ID: <24399.918599924@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Which rc.conf do you mean? :) The one in defaults/ will do everything the old one did save source rc.conf.site. - Jordan > >Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:21:09 -0800 > >From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" > > >Since that made rc.conf.site obsolete, it was taken out of the > >configuration. Please move it to rc.conf on your system, should you > >be one of those folks who installed from an earlier snapshot and are > >now updating your /etc from -current or -stable sources (not likely to > >be all that many people). This change will also be in 3.1. > > OK; I gather that (by default) rc.conf will no longer be sourcing > rc.conf.local either? > > Thanks, > david (who is using a moderately recent SNAP for a growing number of machines ) > -- > David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator > dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 14:58:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21297 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:58:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21281 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:58:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA24601; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:58:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Matthew Dillon cc: David Wolfskill , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:57:50 PST." <199902092257.OAA61537@apollo.backplane.com> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:58:39 -0800 Message-ID: <24597.918601119@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > If you want to put 'read only' junk into /etc/defaults, then why aren't > you also sticking /etc/rc, /etc/rc.network, /etc/rc.firewall, etc etc etc > into /etc/defaults ? It makes no sense to have an /etc/defaults/ > directory if you are still mixing read-only and user-modifiable files > in /etc. There is an eventual plan to put more things into /etc/defaults, yes. One has to, however, start somewhere. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 14:59:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21387 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:59:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21379 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:59:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 10ALk2-000MBh-00; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:34:50 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Steve Kargl cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Crippleware (was Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Feb 1999 22:34:52 PST." <199902090634.WAA65450@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:34:50 +0200 Message-ID: <85292.918599690@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 08 Feb 1999 22:34:52 PST, Steve Kargl wrote: > > How can we make this any clearer to you? Its fine to say `I don't > > want to see DHCP in the base system' when you have the choice > > of getting a static IP. A lot of the emerging high-speed access > > providers aren't giving you that option. > > Then, *BUY* the cd-rom and support the FreeBSD project. It took me a while to figure out what I didn't like about your punt. After all, the project could use the money. But something grated me about it nonetheless. Anyway, 30 minutes later, I've figured it out. You're endorsing FreeBSD crippleware. I sincerely hope that your attitude is _not_ endorsed by the core team. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 15:23:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24651 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:23:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomad.dataplex.net (nomad.dataplex.net [208.2.87.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24628 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:23:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@nomad.dataplex.net) Received: from localhost (rkw@localhost) by nomad.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00291; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:22:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rkw@nomad.dataplex.net) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:22:53 -0600 (CST) From: Richard Wackerbarth To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Matthew Dillon , David Wolfskill , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-Reply-To: <24597.918601119@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Personally, I have to side with Matt. I like to have ALL of the files in one directory. That way I can "grep ntpd /etc/rc*" and find ALL the line that are likely to affect it. Moving some of the files into another directory just complicates things. I like the idea of having all the "default knobs" in one file. I recommend /etc/rc.conf.defaults On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > If you want to put 'read only' junk into /etc/defaults, then why aren't > > you also sticking /etc/rc, /etc/rc.network, /etc/rc.firewall, etc etc etc > > into /etc/defaults ? It makes no sense to have an /etc/defaults/ > > directory if you are still mixing read-only and user-modifiable files > > in /etc. > > There is an eventual plan to put more things into /etc/defaults, yes. > One has to, however, start somewhere. :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 15:25:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25373 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:25:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25366 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:25:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA24792; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:25:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Richard Wackerbarth cc: Matthew Dillon , David Wolfskill , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:22:53 CST." Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 15:25:30 -0800 Message-ID: <24788.918602730@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I like the idea of having all the "default knobs" in one file. > I recommend /etc/rc.conf.defaults The problem is that this doesn't scale. We (Mike and I) already debated this one back and forth for awhile and decided that quite a few files in /etc were due to be ".defaulted" and if this were kept flat, you'd very quickly wind up with far too much crap in /etc to keep track of. I think people will get used to /etc/defaults fairly quickly, especially as we move more things into there which currently get clobbered by the `make distribute' rule in /usr/src/etc. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 15:32:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26200 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:32:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26195 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:32:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id PAA61855; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:31:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:31:47 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199902092331.PAA61855@apollo.backplane.com> To: Richard Wackerbarth Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Matthew Dillon , David Wolfskill , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. References: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : :Personally, I have to side with Matt. :I like to have ALL of the files in one directory. :That way I can "grep ntpd /etc/rc*" and find ALL the line that are likely :to affect it. Moving some of the files into another directory just :complicates things. : :I like the idea of having all the "default knobs" in one file. :I recommend /etc/rc.conf.defaults I like this idea ( /etc/rc.conf.defaults ) better then /etc/defaults/rc.conf. Maybe /etc/rc.conf.distribution instead of /etc/rc.conf.defaults. Either is better then /etc/defaults/rc.conf. I don't think we should have an /etc/defaults/ directory, but if it is insisted on then *ALL* the read-only files should be moved into it, not just one of them. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 15:34:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26413 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:34:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from stade.demon.co.uk (stade.demon.co.uk [158.152.29.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26403 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:34:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aw1@stade.co.uk) Received: (from aw1@localhost) by stade.demon.co.uk (8.9.2/8.9.1) id WAA30568 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:11:49 GMT (envelope-from aw1) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:11:48 +0000 From: Adrian Wontroba To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: was: some woes about rc.conf.site Message-ID: <19990209221148.A27906@titus.stade.co.uk> Reply-To: aw1@stade.co.uk References: <19990207192738.C7821@paert.tse-online.de> <199902071901.LAA00486@ix.netcom.com> <19990207151422.B14051@netmonger.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <19990207151422.B14051@netmonger.net>; from Christopher Masto on Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 03:14:22PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: Yes, I need some of that. X-Phone: +(44) 121 681 6677 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 03:14:22PM -0500, Christopher Masto wrote: > I haven't used it yet, but I definately think the idea is an > improvement. I hate trying to update /etc after an upgrade.. if it's > been a while, or it's between major versions, it can take a very > significant amount of time. Have you tried the mergemaster port for this? It greatly speeds the task. > Anything that moves local changes to a > seperate file is a blessing. True. -- Adrian Wontroba To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 15:37:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26773 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:37:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26762 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:36:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01048; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:32:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199902092332.PAA01048@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Matthew Dillon cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Feb 1999 15:31:47 PST." <199902092331.PAA61855@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 15:32:19 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > : > :Personally, I have to side with Matt. > :I like to have ALL of the files in one directory. > :That way I can "grep ntpd /etc/rc*" and find ALL the line that are likely > :to affect it. Moving some of the files into another directory just > :complicates things. > : > :I like the idea of having all the "default knobs" in one file. > :I recommend /etc/rc.conf.defaults > > I like this idea ( /etc/rc.conf.defaults ) better then > /etc/defaults/rc.conf. As Jordan pointed out, this gets very messy very quickly. > I don't think we should have an /etc/defaults/ directory, but if > it is insisted on then *ALL* the read-only files should be moved into > it, not just one of them. All of the files that currently mix read-only and read-write data will, ideally, be split so that the read-only content goes into /etc/defaults, and the "local changes" stay in /etc. The next big candidate for this is make.conf, but that will require careful testing first. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 15:37:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26924 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:37:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26919 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:37:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id AAA05025; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:35:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Andre Albsmeier Cc: John Galbraith , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it? References: <199902090022.QAA63814@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <199902090044.RAA04115@magpie.ece.arizona.edu> <19990209223001.A9379@internal> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 10 Feb 1999 00:35:16 +0100 In-Reply-To: Andre Albsmeier's message of "Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:30:01 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andre Albsmeier writes: > Don't shoot me, but I would like to see it in 2.2.x if possible, > since 3.x-STABLE still has some problems which makes it impossible > for me to use it on production machines. No, 2.2 is dead now exept for bug fixes. Anyway, you're a committer - who's stopping you? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 15:42:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27386 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:41:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cheddar.netmonger.net (cheddar.netmonger.net [209.54.21.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27375 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:41:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@cheddar.netmonger.net) Received: (from chris@localhost) by cheddar.netmonger.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18866; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:40:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990209184058.A6775@netmonger.net> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:40:58 -0500 From: Christopher Masto To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: was: some woes about rc.conf.site References: <19990207192738.C7821@paert.tse-online.de> <199902071901.LAA00486@ix.netcom.com> <19990207151422.B14051@netmonger.net> <19990209221148.A27906@titus.stade.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19990209221148.A27906@titus.stade.co.uk>; from Adrian Wontroba on Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 10:11:48PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 10:11:48PM +0000, Adrian Wontroba wrote: > On Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 03:14:22PM -0500, Christopher Masto wrote: > > I haven't used it yet, but I definately think the idea is an > > improvement. I hate trying to update /etc after an upgrade.. if it's > > been a while, or it's between major versions, it can take a very > > significant amount of time. > > Have you tried the mergemaster port for this? It greatly speeds the > task. Yes, I have. It doesn't make much of a dent in the real problem, which is separating diffs like: - portmap_enable="YES" # Run the portmapper service (or NO) + portmap_enable="YES" # Run the portmapper service (or NO). from - portmap_enable="NO" # Run the portmapper service (or NO). + portmap_enable="YES" # Run the portmapper service (or NO). from portmap_enable="YES" # Run the portmapper service (or NO). + portmap_flags="" # Flags to portmap (if enabled). ad infinitum. The latest "compromise" is still good enough for me. I just don't want to go back to having to edit the same file that I have to upgrade. -- Christopher Masto Director of Operations NetMonger Communications chris@netmonger.net info@netmonger.net http://www.netmonger.net "Good tools allow users to do stupid things." -- Clay Shirky To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 15:44:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27622 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:44:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27602 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:44:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id PAA61997; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:41:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:41:08 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199902092341.PAA61997@apollo.backplane.com> To: Mike Smith Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. References: <199902092332.PAA01048@dingo.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :As Jordan pointed out, this gets very messy very quickly. : :> I don't think we should have an /etc/defaults/ directory, but if :> it is insisted on then *ALL* the read-only files should be moved into :> it, not just one of them. : :All of the files that currently mix read-only and read-write data :will, ideally, be split so that the read-only content goes into :/etc/defaults, and the "local changes" stay in /etc. The next big :candidate for this is make.conf, but that will require careful testing :first. I think it's a *BAD* idea to change rc.conf operation for the 3.1 distribution. Bad Bad Bad. If you guys want to fix the read-only / read-write mess, fix it for 3.2 and 4.x and don't just go piecemeal -- fix 90% of it right off the bat. Move rc, rc.network, rc.firewall, rc.diskless{1,2}, rc.atm, rc.devfs, rc.isdn, rc.pccard, rc.serial, and rc.shutdown into your defaults directory. defaults is a bad name. Why not make it /etc/dist/ ?? for 'distribution files'. Much more obviously a 'do not mess with me' directory then /etc/defaults is. Either way, I really think we have enough problems to deal with that changing rc.conf operation in 3.2 would just be asking for it. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 15:47:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27967 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:47:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27955 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:46:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id AAA05047; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:46:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Andre Albsmeier , John Galbraith , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it? References: <39213.918603643@zippy.cdrom.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 10 Feb 1999 00:46:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message of "Tue, 09 Feb 1999 15:40:43 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > > Andre Albsmeier writes: > > > Don't shoot me, but I would like to see it in 2.2.x if possible, > > > since 3.x-STABLE still has some problems which makes it impossible > > > for me to use it on production machines. > > No, 2.2 is dead now exept for bug fixes. > > Anyway, you're a committer - who's stopping you? > Actually, I would. I would prefer to see 2.2.x left to die > in peace. The vinum import to that branch already has me on > edge enough as it is. I meant "who's stopping you from committing the driver", not "who's stopping you from committing the driver to 2.2". I too think 2.2 should be left to die in peace. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 15:58:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29319 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:58:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29305 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:58:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA39219; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:40:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav cc: Andre Albsmeier , John Galbraith , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it? In-reply-to: Your message of "10 Feb 1999 00:35:16 +0100." Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 15:40:43 -0800 Message-ID: <39213.918603643@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Actually, I would. I would prefer to see 2.2.x left to die in peace. The vinum import to that branch already has me on edge enough as it is. - Jordan > Andre Albsmeier writes: > > Don't shoot me, but I would like to see it in 2.2.x if possible, > > since 3.x-STABLE still has some problems which makes it impossible > > for me to use it on production machines. > > No, 2.2 is dead now exept for bug fixes. > > Anyway, you're a committer - who's stopping you? > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 15:58:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29327 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:58:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from magpie.ece.arizona.edu (magpie.ece.arizona.edu [150.135.4.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29306 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:58:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@magpie.ece.arizona.edu) Received: (from john@localhost) by magpie.ece.arizona.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA05556; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:00:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from john) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:00:15 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199902100000.RAA05556@magpie.ece.arizona.edu> From: John Galbraith MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Andre Albsmeier , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it? In-Reply-To: References: <39213.918603643@zippy.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I meant "who's stopping you from committing the driver", not "who's > stopping you from committing the driver to 2.2". I too think 2.2 > should be left to die in peace. Well, before it is committed I would like to see one of you FreeBSD wizards to check it over for a half hour first. My experience with FreeBSD is one of rock-solid performance. I would hate to upset that impression for somebody else with this particular chunk of code. I wrote this driver to the best of my abilities, and I think it is good, but I don't spend every weekend with the FreeBSD source code like some of you guys do. I can say with 100% certainty that my driver works much faster, more reliably, and with more features than the current gp driver distributed with FreeBSD for _me_. This will probably be true for most other people as well. However, that doesn't mean that this code is the end all and shouldn't be committed without being checked over by one of you FreeBSD-god types. Maybe this is just my own anxiety over my FreeBSD-contributer virgin status, but it seems wise. Should I send it in with this "send-pr" command myself, or should I let one of you guys do it? John -- John Galbraith email: john@ece.arizona.edu University of Arizona, home phone: (520) 327-6074 Los Alamos National Laboratory work phone: (520) 626-6277 home page: www.ece.arizona.edu:/~john "As had been true historically, Gates' concern was not making great products, but keeping the world locked into using his products." --- Wendy Goldman Rohm, The Microsoft File To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 15:58:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29576 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:58:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29496 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:58:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA05248; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:58:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:58:13 -0500 (EST) From: jack To: Matthew Dillon cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-Reply-To: <199902092341.PAA61997@apollo.backplane.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > I think it's a *BAD* idea to change rc.conf operation for the 3.1 > distribution. Bad Bad Bad. I have to agree. Let's not forget that there are over 30 man pages with references to /etc/rc.conf. There is already enough confusion over wcd in /dev with everything else refering to it as acd, and no documentation about when to just ignore "tagged openings now ". Both of these issues are already popping up in questions and the news groups. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 16:07:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02498 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:07:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02487 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:07:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.2/8.8.5) id RAA05872 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:07:13 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199902100007.RAA05872@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: HEADS UP: devstat changes To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:07:13 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have just commited changes to devstat(9) that will require recompilation of the following things: libdevstat [ do this first! ] systat iostat vmstat rpc.rstatd You'll have to recompile those things in order to use them with the new kernel changes. You will probably also have to recompile any ports that depend on libdevstat. (I think there are 2 or 3 sysinfo type ports that depend on it.) A buildworld/installworld will of course do all the upgrades automatically, and that's the recommended course of action. For those who are interested: the changes implement different sorting priorities for different devices, so that, for instance, da devices now appear before fd devices, instead of after. i.e., "more interesting" devices appear before "less interesting" devices. Thanks for Bruce Evans and David O'Brien for suggestions, reviewing the code, etc. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 16:13:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04054 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:13:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA04045 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:13:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA50191; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:10:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: John Galbraith cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Andre Albsmeier , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:00:15 MST." <199902100000.RAA05556@magpie.ece.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 16:10:16 -0800 Message-ID: <50187.918605416@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Should I send it in with this "send-pr" command myself, or should I Please, thanks! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 16:24:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05581 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:24:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.dynamixweb.com ([209.47.109.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05565 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:24:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from svetzal@cujo2.icom.ca) Received: from blazer (cr609409-a.pr1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.98.34]) by mail.dynamixweb.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id 14GHYC2T; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:10:54 -0500 From: "Steven Vetzal" To: Subject: FW: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:25:33 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be548b$df993660$80fea8c0@blazer.pr1.on.wave.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In addition to Irix 6.5, you should also add Irix 6.3 and 6.4 to that list. It's been there since 6.3 first shipped on the O2s in '97. -steve From: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of John Fieber Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 12:41 PM To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 09:27:44AM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > > > Platform Has DHCP > > -------------------------------- > > Irix 6.5 Yes > > Solaris 2.5.1 No > Solaris 2.6 Yes > > You should have used a more modern Solaris. It helps your argment. :-) Digital Unix 4.0 Yes -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 16:25:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05889 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:25:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomad.dataplex.net (nomad.dataplex.net [208.2.87.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05879 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:25:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@nomad.dataplex.net) Received: from localhost (rkw@localhost) by nomad.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA00504; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:24:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rkw@nomad.dataplex.net) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:24:54 -0600 (CST) From: Richard Wackerbarth To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Matthew Dillon , David Wolfskill , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I understand the scaling issue. However, I like to keep related things in one place. Perhaps we need to move ALL the rc files into a common directory. As for the "read-only" argument, I recommend, for those who wish to separate them, symbolic links from the read only area to a writable area. When that is not important, keeping them together can have advantages. Please understand that I support the general direction of these changes. However, since it is just about the same effort to implement any of the proposals and the "status quo" has a big advantage, I think that it is important to discuss the implications of each of the stratagies before commiting to any of them. PS: The same applies to DHCP. Since some of the well respected "names" have also supported ISC-DHCP, I hope that we can reach a concensus before anyone is allowed to make their bias the "de-facto" answer. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 16:33:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06940 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:33:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06928 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:33:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfieber@fallout.campusview.indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA56047; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:33:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:33:21 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: jack cc: Matthew Dillon , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, jack wrote: > On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > > > I think it's a *BAD* idea to change rc.conf operation for the 3.1 > > distribution. Bad Bad Bad. > > I have to agree. Let's not forget that there are over 30 man > pages with references to /etc/rc.conf. Lets not forget that with the latest round of changes, the rc.conf in 3.1 will behave exactly as it has in the past. Think about it. rc.conf was a "touchees" file in the past and it is a "touchees" file now. The only difference is the addition of a "no touchees" reference copy in /etc/defaults that gets sourced before rc.conf so any essential variables introduced in an upgrade will have a safety fallaback in case you don't properly upgrade your rc.conf. The detour with rc.conf.site *did* change the way rc.conf was used. That was Bad Bad Bad and has just been fixed. -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 16:50:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09278 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:50:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gongshow.masterplan.org (masterplan.powersurfr.com [24.108.43.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09267 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:50:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jbg@masterplan.org) Received: from infomat (infomat.precident.com [192.168.4.2]) by gongshow.masterplan.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA20979 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:49:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jbg@masterplan.org) Message-Id: <199902100049.RAA20979@gongshow.masterplan.org> From: jbg@masterplan.org (Jason George) To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Organization: The Master Plan Always Fails... Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:50:19 GMT Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >From: "Daniel C. Sobral" > >>Steve Kargl wrote: >> >> > > The plan is to make a boot floppy / boot CDROM with a DHCP client on it. >> >> Content-Type: text/BLOAT >> >> These should be left has ports. > >I disagree. It is very common nowadays to need to extract your IP >address through DHCP. Not having a DHCP boot floppy/cd is a serious >disadvantage. > Make a boot floppy with BPF and a DHCP client. When a user installs via the network, ensure a VERY PROMINENT splash screen indicates that the basic NO-BPF kernel has been installed (ie - the normal distribution kernel) and that NO DHCP CLIENT is installed on the hard drive and that the BPF will NOT be available upon reboot. Then offer the option to install either the WIDE or ISC client via the package mechanism and a BPF-enabled GENERIC kernel. This mechanism ensures that people in a DHCP environment can install via the network without causing the security- and bloat-minded people to have a brain hemmorage. If the installers using the DHCP boot disk don't follow the instructions and install a proper package or a BPF-enabled kernel, they are SOL for not having read the dialog boxes. --Jason j.b.georgeieee.org jbgmasterplan.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 17:14:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12109 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:14:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12104 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:14:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id CAA05686; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 02:14:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Steve Kargl , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Crippleware (was Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/) References: <85292.918599690@axl.noc.iafrica.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 10 Feb 1999 02:14:16 +0100 In-Reply-To: Sheldon Hearn's message of "Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:34:50 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sheldon Hearn writes: > Anyway, 30 minutes later, I've figured it out. You're endorsing FreeBSD > crippleware. I sincerely hope that your attitude is _not_ endorsed by > the core team. Steve isn't even a committer. He's one of those oh-so-many people who love to whine about practically anything we do, on the assumption that they know better, even though they never do any work of their own. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 17:31:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14157 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:31:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from solo.tcdesigns.com ([216.25.158.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA14151 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:31:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gary@tbe.net) Received: (qmail 23120 invoked from network); 10 Feb 1999 01:34:34 -0000 Received: from solo.tcdesigns.com (gary@216.25.158.6) by solo.tcdesigns.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 1999 01:34:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:34:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" X-Sender: gary@solo.tcdesigns.com To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 3.1? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Don't mean to be a pest, or a PITA by asking this, but is the 3.1 branch still scheduled for the middle of this month? I haven't seen much on the list recently about it, but probably haven't been paying enough attention to it tho... Thanks! ______________________________________________________________ -Gary Margiotta Voice: (973) 835-7855 TBE Internet Services Fax: (973) 835-4755 http://www.tbe.net E-Mail: gary@tbe.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 17:39:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA15281 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:39:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15273 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:39:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.9.2/8.9.1) id RAA69620; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:39:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk) From: Steve Kargl Message-Id: <199902100139.RAA69620@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Crippleware (was Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/) In-Reply-To: from Dag-Erling Smorgrav at "Feb 10, 1999 2:14:16 am" To: des@flood.ping.uio.no (Dag-Erling Smorgrav) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:39:35 -0800 (PST) Cc: axl@iafrica.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Sheldon Hearn writes: > > Anyway, 30 minutes later, I've figured it out. You're endorsing FreeBSD > > crippleware. I sincerely hope that your attitude is _not_ endorsed by > > the core team. > > Steve isn't even a committer. He's one of those oh-so-many people who > love to whine about practically anything we do, on the assumption that > they know better, even though they never do any work of their own. > I was going to let this die because I've been convince that dhcp might be useful, but ad hominem attacks tend to beg a response. Oh please, I don't whine about every little change. I applaud the work that Matt Dillon is doing within the VM system and NFS. I appreciate the work that Satoshi and even David O'Brien do in trying to maintain sanity in the ports collection. You'll find that I've sent patches and they've either been committed or rewritten to the liking of a committer. Where did the "-C" option for install(1) come from? bde pick up on somethings I did a long time ago. He rewrote (and I admit improved) upon my ideas. [I added a "-z" that also compressed as it installed the file, but this was argued against.] Check the log files for f2c. You'll see my name. I have even gone as far as providing a way to remove f2c because Mike Smith asked me. That work, is sitting and waiting. I've sent in numerous patches to the documentation when Mike Pitchard(sp?) wentr through the manpage with a clean up sweep. Check on the addition of the "-a" option to /usr/bin/time, and other clean-ups to /usr/bin/time. There is talk about importing John Galbraith's GPIB driver into -current. I provided the patches to John so it would compile of (pre-3.0-RELEASE) -current. Sure, my contributions might be small compare to bde or even your contributions, but I send patches when I have find a problem. Finally, when do I get my commit priveleges so I won't receive any further condescending flames from you. -- Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 17:43:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA15909 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:43:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15901; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:43:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from green@unixhelp.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA18777; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:43:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:43:25 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Feldman X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: Garrett Wollman cc: Eivind Eklund , Matthew Dillon , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x ) In-Reply-To: <199902091540.KAA16522@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > >> A much better way to do rc.diskless was suggested to me, > >> which I'm going to implement. It involves retargeting > >> the /conf/ME softlink by mount_union'ing a small MFS * Note this. > > > Union mounts do not work, and I believe they are some distance from > > working (unless you have better patches than I do, of course). > > Last I checked, union mounts work just fine, thank you very much. > unionfs (which should have been called `translucentfs') is what > doesn't work. See above note and reference to mount_union(8). > > -GAWollman > > -- > Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same > wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom > Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame > MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > Brian Feldman _ __ ___ ___ ___ green@unixhelp.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ http://www.freebsd.org/ _ __ ___ ____ | _ \__ \ |) | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ ___ ____ _____ |___/___/___/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 17:45:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16247 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:45:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16242 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:45:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10AOiD-000NxM-00; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 03:45:09 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: John Fieber cc: jack , Matthew Dillon , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Feb 1999 19:33:21 EST." Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 03:45:09 +0200 Message-ID: <92091.918611109@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 09 Feb 1999 19:33:21 EST, John Fieber wrote: > The only difference is the addition of a "no touchees" reference copy > in /etc/defaults that gets sourced before rc.conf so any essential > variables introduced in an upgrade will have a safety fallaback in > case you don't properly upgrade your rc.conf. That's it? That's what all this is about? Hell, now that you've put it like that, it sounds like a really _great_ idea. Even the choice of directory name ``defaults'' makes sense, now. :-) Thanks for taking the time to clarify what's going on. I've been following my cvs-all and current mail quite closely but didn't quite "get it" until I read your mail. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 17:51:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17020 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:51:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA17009 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:50:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from green@unixhelp.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA18674; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:41:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:41:35 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Feldman X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: mi@aldan.algebra.com cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DHCP, install, security, ICMP_BANDLIM In-Reply-To: <199902091603.LAA09757@misha.cisco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > How about putting bpf functionality into install-kernel, but not > into the GENERIC kernel? > > If the install required the use of dhcp, sysinstall should yell > about having to rebuild the kernel with bpf-device in. > > On the other hand, the security-concerned ISPs and others can > rebuild their kernels to remove the bpf (they probably rebuild > them anyway for other reasons, or should do that anyway). This brings up something: shouldn't ICMP_BANDLIM be in the GENERIC kernel? > > -mi > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > Brian Feldman _ __ ___ ___ ___ green@unixhelp.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ http://www.freebsd.org/ _ __ ___ ____ | _ \__ \ |) | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ ___ ____ _____ |___/___/___/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 17:56:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17634 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:56:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA17614 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:56:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id CAA05897; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 02:56:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Steve Kargl Cc: axl@iafrica.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Crippleware (was Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/) References: <199902100139.RAA69620@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 10 Feb 1999 02:56:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: Steve Kargl's message of "Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:39:35 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve Kargl writes: > Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Steve isn't even a committer. He's one of those oh-so-many people who > > love to whine about practically anything we do, on the assumption that > > they know better, even though they never do any work of their own. > [...] > Finally, when do I get my commit priveleges so I won't receive > any further condescending flames from you. Sorry if I hit a nerve, but no matter your previous achievements, your contribution to the DHCP discussion has been nothing but whining. You did not even bother to back your whining with anything approaching a serious argument. Comparing a DHCP client to a Fortran compiler is not a serious argument. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 18:00:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18355 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:00:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from speed.rcc.on.ca (radio163.mipps.net [205.189.197.163] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA18346 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:00:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tr49986@rcc.on.ca) Received: from a19 ([207.164.233.113]) by speed.rcc.on.ca (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA30729 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:11:34 -0500 Message-ID: <001601be5499$14243800$1300000a@a19.my.intranet> From: "RT" To: Subject: Re: some woes about rc.conf.site (solution) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:23:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'd have to agree with another message. Merging the defaults into rc sounds to me like the best solution, then have rc.conf handle the changes. I personally prefer to hand edit this file. This is coming from a user on 3.0-stable however... .conf normally means that it should be edited, not left alone... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 18:04:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18597 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:04:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18590 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:04:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id DAA05912; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 03:04:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: HEADS UP: lpt driver going away From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 10 Feb 1999 03:04:15 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 23 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In a few minutes, I will remove the lpt(4) driver from the -CURRENT source tree. The reason for this removal is that the lpt driver has been obsoleted by the ppc, nlpt, plip and ppi drivers, and was starting to rot. Anybody who has not yet done so is advised to update their kernel configurations to use Nicolas Souchu's excellent ppbus driver instead. Here's what I have in my kernel configuration: device ppc0 at isa? port? net irq 7 controller ppbus0 device nlpt0 at ppbus? device plip0 at ppbus? device ppi0 at ppbus? For details on ppbus, see the man pages. BE ADVISED that the nlpt driver will soon be renamed to lpt. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 18:17:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA20036 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:17:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from speed.rcc.on.ca (radio163.mipps.net [205.189.197.163] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA20030 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:17:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tr49986@rcc.on.ca) Received: from a19 ([207.164.233.113]) by speed.rcc.on.ca (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA30778 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:28:57 -0500 Message-ID: <00cd01be549b$81efe800$1300000a@a19.my.intranet> From: "RT" To: Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:17:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Dillon To: Richard Wackerbarth Cc: Jordan K. Hubbard ; Matthew Dillon ; David Wolfskill ; current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. >:I like the idea of having all the "default knobs" in one file. >:I recommend /etc/rc.conf.defaults > > I like this idea ( /etc/rc.conf.defaults ) better then > /etc/defaults/rc.conf. > > Maybe /etc/rc.conf.distribution instead of /etc/rc.conf.defaults. > Either is better then /etc/defaults/rc.conf. > > I don't think we should have an /etc/defaults/ directory, but if > it is insisted on then *ALL* the read-only files should be moved into > it, not just one of them. > I kinda like the /etc./defaults directory... All default files should be placed there. Only things edited should be in /etc.. It'll make for a much smaller mess of files. I'm wondering about items like ppp examples? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 18:23:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA20761 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:23:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ix.netcom.com (pax-ca27-01.ix.netcom.com [207.93.145.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA20756 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:23:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tomdean@ix.netcom.com) Received: (from tomdean@localhost) by ix.netcom.com (8.9.2/8.8.8) id SAA27232; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:23:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tomdean) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:23:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199902100223.SAA27232@ix.netcom.com> From: Thomas Dean To: tr49986@rcc.on.ca CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <001601be5499$14243800$1300000a@a19.my.intranet> (tr49986@rcc.on.ca) Subject: Re: some woes about rc.conf.site (solution) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I agree with this approach. However, I believe this is OBE. Jkh just committed the changes to cvs. Having the default values at the head of rc makes more sense. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 18:26:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21339 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:26:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alcanet.com.au (border.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21334 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:26:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@auss2.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <40323>; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:16:07 +1100 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:26:27 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ To: sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: <99Feb10.131607est.40323@border.alcanet.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve Kargl wrote: >Drop FreeBSD cd-rom into tray (or caddy). >mount_cd9660 /dev/cd0a /mnt >pkg_add dhcp >umount /mnt Hmmm... Lets see: 1) Drop FreeBSD CD-ROM into tray on server 2) mount_cd9660 /dev/cd0a /cdrom 3) [NFS export /cdrom] 4) Boot client from floppy. so far so good. 5) Configure client network interface using DHCP 6) mount_nfs server:/mnt /mnt 7) pkg_add /mnt/.../dhcp-client This could be more difficult... Any suggestions on how to perform step 5 before the DHCP client is installed in step 7? Alternatively, how can I manage step 6 before step 5? Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 18:38:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22794 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:38:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomad.dataplex.net (nomad.dataplex.net [208.2.87.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22785 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:38:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@nomad.dataplex.net) Received: from localhost (rkw@localhost) by nomad.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA00911; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:37:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rkw@nomad.dataplex.net) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:37:53 -0600 (CST) From: Richard Wackerbarth To: RT cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-Reply-To: <00cd01be549b$81efe800$1300000a@a19.my.intranet> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I tend to prefer that the editable knobs be kept together. The uneditable scripts and the defaults can go together. If you are going to divide things, I don't see why you should put uneditable scripts with editable knobs and apart from uneditable knobs. On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, RT wrote: > I kinda like the /etc./defaults directory... All default files should be > placed there. Only things edited should be in /etc.. It'll make for a much > smaller mess of files. I'm wondering about items like ppp examples? I would either turn "examples" into defaults OR expect them to go away when someone sets up their own version. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 18:42:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23527 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:42:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA23519 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:42:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id DAA06015; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 03:42:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: "Gary D. Margiotta" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.1? References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 10 Feb 1999 03:42:09 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Gary D. Margiotta"'s message of "Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:34:28 -0500 (EST)" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Gary D. Margiotta" writes: > Don't mean to be a pest, or a PITA by asking this, but is the 3.1 branch > still scheduled for the middle of this month? I haven't seen much on the > list recently about it, but probably haven't been paying enough attention > to it tho... Thanks! That's because we're too busy making 3.1 happen 8) DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 18:44:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23779 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:44:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomad.dataplex.net (nomad.dataplex.net [208.2.87.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA23748 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:43:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@nomad.dataplex.net) Received: from localhost (rkw@localhost) by nomad.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA00922; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:42:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rkw@nomad.dataplex.net) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:42:40 -0600 (CST) From: Richard Wackerbarth To: Sheldon Hearn cc: John Fieber , jack , Matthew Dillon , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-Reply-To: <92091.918611109@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG But, I would not expect/allow "defaults" to be the mechanism which includes the "real" values. Perhaps this should be pushed into the script that will source both. On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > The only difference is the addition of a "no touchees" reference copy > > in /etc/defaults that gets sourced before rc.conf so any essential > > variables introduced in an upgrade will have a safety fallaback in > > case you don't properly upgrade your rc.conf. > > That's it? That's what all this is about? Hell, now that you've put it > like that, it sounds like a really _great_ idea. Even the choice of > directory name ``defaults'' makes sense, now. :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 18:57:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25967 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:57:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25960 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:57:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA18561; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:57:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:57:52 -0500 (EST) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199902100257.VAA18561@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Steve Kargl Cc: des@flood.ping.uio.no (Dag-Erling Smorgrav), axl@iafrica.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Crippleware (was Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/) In-Reply-To: <199902100139.RAA69620@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> References: <199902100139.RAA69620@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: > Where did the "-C" option for install(1) come from? bde pick up on > somethings I did a long time ago. Uh, no, wrong. (Speaking as the creator of `install -C'.) -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 20:25:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06246 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:25:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (b133.mat.net [206.246.122.133] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA06241 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:25:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA78880; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:23:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:23:56 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: Matthew Dillon cc: Mike Smith , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-Reply-To: <199902092341.PAA61997@apollo.backplane.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > :As Jordan pointed out, this gets very messy very quickly. > : > :> I don't think we should have an /etc/defaults/ directory, but if > :> it is insisted on then *ALL* the read-only files should be moved into > :> it, not just one of them. > : > :All of the files that currently mix read-only and read-write data > :will, ideally, be split so that the read-only content goes into > :/etc/defaults, and the "local changes" stay in /etc. The next big > :candidate for this is make.conf, but that will require careful testing > :first. > > I think it's a *BAD* idea to change rc.conf operation for the 3.1 > distribution. Bad Bad Bad. This just puts it back where it was, there is nothing new, and so doing this now is quite directly in the spirit of POLA. > defaults is a bad name. Why not make it /etc/dist/ ?? for Are you seriously worried about the naming, dist versus defaults? It seems a tiny argument, but defaults is used in several other OSs (like Solaris) for precisely this purpose, and dist is often used for completely different purposes. Jordan *seems* to have done the least surprising thing. We jumped on him for the changes, and now it seems like we're jumping on him for making the corrections. Not fair. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 21:26:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA12541 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:26:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA12536 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:26:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA06516; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:26:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:26:29 -0500 (EST) From: jack To: John Fieber cc: Matthew Dillon , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, John Fieber wrote: > Lets not forget that with the latest round of changes, the > rc.conf in 3.1 will behave exactly as it has in the past. Think > about it. rc.conf was a "touchees" file in the past and it is a > "touchees" file now. The only difference is the addition of a > "no touchees" reference copy in /etc/defaults that gets sourced > before rc.conf so any essential variables introduced in an > upgrade will have a safety fallaback in case you don't properly > upgrade your rc.conf. If /etc/rc.conf only contains changes from the defaults when man something_or_other tells the user to find and edit something_or_other_flags in /etc/rc.conf the entry won't be there to edit. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 21:39:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA13895 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:39:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA13887 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:39:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfieber@fallout.campusview.indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA56789; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:39:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:39:34 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: jack cc: Matthew Dillon , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, jack wrote: > If /etc/rc.conf only contains changes from the defaults when > man something_or_other tells the user to find and edit > something_or_other_flags in /etc/rc.conf the entry won't be > there to edit. Why must it contain only changes? Is there any reason it couldn't be a copy of the default rc.conf on a new installation? Over time and upgrades it may get a little out of sync with the default file, but by then the user/admin will most likely be familiar enough with configuring the system that it won't exactly be a stumper. And how about this: stick a big comment at the top of /etc/rc.conf suggesting that the user consult /etc/defaults/rc.conf for a complete list of tunable parameters. Even in the worst case, the system behavior is exactly as it was before any of these changes came about. -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 21:58:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15470 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:58:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA15465 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:58:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from salomon.siemens.de (salomon.siemens.de [139.23.33.13]) by david.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA10566 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:58:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (curry.mchp.siemens.de [146.180.31.23]) by salomon.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA01074 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:58:27 +0100 (MET) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA25182 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:58:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:58:24 +0100 From: Andre Albsmeier To: Mike Smith Cc: Andre Albsmeier , John Galbraith , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it? Message-ID: <19990210065824.C10285@internal> References: <19990209223001.A9379@internal> <199902092204.OAA00486@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <199902092204.OAA00486@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 02:04:55PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 09-Feb-1999 at 14:04:55 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > I would greatly appreciate to see this thing go into the tree. I > > still have to build a measurement system in our lab (you remeber, > > John :-)) and people there are talking about linux already :-(. > > > > Don't shoot me, but I would like to see it in 2.2.x if possible, > > since 3.x-STABLE still has some problems which makes it impossible > > for me to use it on production machines. > > What crippiling disability prevents you from adding the driver yourself? Me? Nothing :-) But it just was an idea. If it isn't used, it won't hurt anyone. And my people here won't have to patch 2.2.x manually. They don't need an official release, they already use ctm to update their stuff. -Andre > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > -- Why are people so happy when things _work_ in Linux? With FreeBSD, that's just expected! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 22:04:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA16013 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:04:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA16007 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:04:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA03379; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:03:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA02118; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:03:53 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:03:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199902100603.XAA02118@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Garrett Wollman Cc: Steve Kargl , des@flood.ping.uio.no (Dag-Erling Smorgrav), axl@iafrica.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Crippleware (was Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/) In-Reply-To: <199902100257.VAA18561@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <199902100139.RAA69620@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <199902100257.VAA18561@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Where did the "-C" option for install(1) come from? bde pick up on > > somethings I did a long time ago. > > Uh, no, wrong. (Speaking as the creator of `install -C'.) In defense of Steven, he was the 'original' author of -C, whether or not you used his code or not. He pushed for this long before it was part of FreeBSD. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 22:08:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA16387 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:06:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA16378 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:06:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from salomon.siemens.de (salomon.siemens.de [139.23.33.13]) by david.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA12096 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:06:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (curry.mchp.siemens.de [146.180.31.23]) by salomon.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02576 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:06:13 +0100 (MET) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25288 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:06:14 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:06:11 +0100 From: Andre Albsmeier To: John Galbraith Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Andre Albsmeier , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it? Message-ID: <19990210070611.D10285@internal> References: <39213.918603643@zippy.cdrom.com> <199902100000.RAA05556@magpie.ece.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <199902100000.RAA05556@magpie.ece.arizona.edu>; from John Galbraith on Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 05:00:15PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 09-Feb-1999 at 17:00:15 -0700, John Galbraith wrote: > > I meant "who's stopping you from committing the driver", not "who's > > stopping you from committing the driver to 2.2". I too think 2.2 > > should be left to die in peace. > > Well, before it is committed I would like to see one of you FreeBSD > wizards to check it over for a half hour first. My experience with > FreeBSD is one of rock-solid performance. I would hate to upset that > impression for somebody else with this particular chunk of code. I > wrote this driver to the best of my abilities, and I think it is good, > but I don't spend every weekend with the FreeBSD source code like some > of you guys do. > > I can say with 100% certainty that my driver works much faster, more > reliably, and with more features than the current gp driver > distributed with FreeBSD for _me_. This will probably be true for > most other people as well. However, that doesn't mean that this code > is the end all and shouldn't be committed without being checked over > by one of you FreeBSD-god types. Maybe this is just my own anxiety > over my FreeBSD-contributer virgin status, but it seems wise. Ok, I see, I won't have luck with my wish for 2.2.x :-) However, if there are enhancements or changes being made in order to bring it into the 3.x or 4.x tree, please make a short note if these changes are incompatible with 2.2.x. As I said before, I still can't use 3.x on a lot of machines here so I have to stick with 2.2.x for a while. (I have problems using runsocks from the socks5 package, but yet haven't figured out if it's my fault). Thanks a lot, -Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 22:31:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA19076 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:31:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA19066 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:31:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from mercury (mercury [129.127.36.44]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id RAA28277; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:01:01 +1030 (CST) Received: from localhost by mercury; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/27Nov97-0404PM) id AA21839; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:01:00 +1030 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:01:00 +1030 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway To: Andre Albsmeier Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: runsocks (Was Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it?) In-Reply-To: <19990210070611.D10285@internal> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Andre Albsmeier wrote: > 2.2.x for a while. (I have problems using runsocks from the socks5 > package, but yet haven't figured out if it's my fault). runsocks works fine for me in socksifying the stuff I use it for (FTP clients, simple TCP apps, etc). What are you having problems with? Kris ----- (ASP) Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) announced today that the release of its productivity suite, Office 2000, will be delayed until the first quarter of 1901. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Feb 9 22:38:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA19816 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:38:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA19810 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:38:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from salomon.siemens.de (salomon.siemens.de [139.23.33.13]) by david.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19271 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:38:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (curry.mchp.siemens.de [146.180.31.23]) by salomon.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA08854 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:38:13 +0100 (MET) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25457 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:38:14 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:38:10 +0100 From: Andre Albsmeier To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Andre Albsmeier , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: runsocks (Was Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it?) Message-ID: <19990210073810.A576@internal> References: <19990210070611.D10285@internal> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Kris Kennaway on Wed, Feb 10, 1999 at 05:01:00PM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 10-Feb-1999 at 17:01:00 +1030, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Andre Albsmeier wrote: > > > 2.2.x for a while. (I have problems using runsocks from the socks5 > > package, but yet haven't figured out if it's my fault). > > runsocks works fine for me in socksifying the stuff I use it for (FTP clients, > simple TCP apps, etc). What are you having problems with? interesting, very interesting :-) Please wait a little, I am about to set up a machine here at work with 3.x. I only did it at home before and I compiled socks5 and tried runsocks a got some problems. When I am ready here, I can tell you more. Thanks for your help, -Andre > > Kris > > ----- > (ASP) Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) announced today that the release of its > productivity suite, Office 2000, will be delayed until the first quarter > of 1901. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 00:11:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA28602 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:11:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA28594 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:11:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10AUjC-000OCu-00; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:10:34 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Richard Wackerbarth cc: John Fieber , jack , Matthew Dillon , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Feb 1999 20:42:40 CST." Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:10:34 +0200 Message-ID: <93055.918634234@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 09 Feb 1999 20:42:40 CST, Richard Wackerbarth wrote: > But, I would not expect/allow "defaults" to be the mechanism > which includes the "real" values. Neither would I, but only because this hasn't been made clear in such a way that guys like you and me "get it". I reckon that a comment in /etc/rc.conf explaining that it's a set of values used to _override_ those in /etc/defaults/rc.conf ought to do the trick, eh? Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 01:04:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA02100 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 01:04:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA02095 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 01:04:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA12887 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 01:04:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 01:04:18 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which DHCP client Message-ID: <19990210010418.B8770@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199902091904.LAA12340@pinhead.parag.codegen.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <199902091904.LAA12340@pinhead.parag.codegen.com>; from Parag Patel on Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 11:04:27AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG OK, I've decided to import the ISC client. I am not pleased with this choice, but I believe the FreeBSD community in general seems to prefer this choice. Swaying arguments: 1. OpenBSD uses the ISC client and keep a careful eye on it for software engineering issues. (which is really all that buffov problems are) 2. Mike Smith's emails (priv and public) show that the ISC client offers us more options in configuring a system than the WIDE client. Issues include sysinstall bootstrapping support and /etc/rc* hooks. For the record, version 2 of the ISC client *DOES* in fact require an /etc/dhclient.conf file: # dhclient fxp0 Can't open /etc/dhclient.conf: No such file or directory exiting. this is stupid and I have a mind to change it to: Can't open /etc/dhclient.conf: using built-in defaults continuing. Also, /etc/dhclient-script *IS* required: # dhclient fxp0 /tmp/dcsFoU405: /etc/dhclient-script: not found /tmp/dcsWOk405: /etc/dhclient-script: not found fxp0: not found exiting. NOTE that unlike the WIDE client, the ISC client defaults to overwriting your /etc/resolv.conf file. In my case, an action that pisses me off because I now have to write a messy /etc/dhclient.conf file to stop this nonsence. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 02:01:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA07105 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 02:01:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.palmerharvey.co.uk (mail.palmerharvey.co.uk [62.172.109.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA07089 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 02:01:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Dom.Mitchell@palmerharvey.co.uk) Received: from ho-nt-01.pandhm.co.uk (unverified) by mail.palmerharvey.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:01:39 +0000 Received: from voodoo.pandhm.co.uk ([10.100.35.12]) by ho-nt-01.pandhm.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id 1LNB74QX; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:56:22 -0000 Received: from dom by voodoo.pandhm.co.uk with local (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10AWUp-0000EU-00; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:03:51 +0000 To: David Malone Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lots of "panic: vrele: negative ref cnt" X-Mailer: nmh v0.26 Organization: Palmer & Harvey McLane In-Reply-To: <9902091411.aa13395@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:03:51 +0000 From: Dom Mitchell Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Malone writes: > We think we've sorted out this problem. Trying to make a cross > device link to an NFS filesystem decreases the reference count > twice, so if you do this a few times you can panic a machine. I've > submitted a gnats report (kern/9970). I can confirm that this also halts my crashes with nmh's spost command. I'll leave it up to an NFS guru to tell whether it's the *right* fix, but it's certainly something that needs looking at, quickly. Thanks for your help. -- Dom Mitchell -- Palmer & Harvey McLane -- Unix Systems Administrator -- ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. ********************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 04:19:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA19452 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 04:19:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.linet.it (relay.linet.it [194.185.24.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA19446 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 04:19:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrea.franceschini@linet.it) Received: from oma.linet.it (unverified [194.185.24.82]) by relay.linet.it (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:07:26 +0100 Message-ID: <009001be54ec$b2d3e9c0$0200a8c0@oma.linet.it> Reply-To: "andrea" From: "andrea" To: Subject: Need Help Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:58:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG HI I have a trouble with FreeBSD 2.1.5 After a mistyped rm :( when i try some commands like ps or netstat i got this message: ps: /dev/drum: No such file or directory What does it mean ? How can i fix it? The system still run .. for the moment..(sob). Please Help+ACEAIQ- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 04:53:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA22514 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 04:53:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from titan.metropolitan.at ([195.212.98.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA22507 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 04:53:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mladavac@metropolitan.at) Received: by TITAN with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <1CLHRLF6>; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:52:01 +0100 Message-ID: <97A8CA5BF490D211A94F0000F6C2E55D097536@s-lmh-wi-900.corpnet.at> From: Ladavac Marino To: "'andrea'" , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Need Help Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:47:58 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > HI > > I have a trouble with FreeBSD 2.1.5 [ML] 2.1.5 is hardly current (it used to be, some years ago :) > After a mistyped rm :( when i try some commands like ps or netstat i > got > this message: [ML] Careful with those thumbs when you run as root :) > ps: /dev/drum: No such file or directory [ML] An obsolete device (would have to take a look at 2.1.5 sources to be able to tell you what it was. IIRC, it used to be swap in Version7 days) > What does it mean ? [ML] That means that most probably all your device nodes are gone, and that you should cd /dev ./MAKEDEV in order to try to recreate them. Beware, most probably this will not help very much because who knows what else did you delete -- was it perchance a rm -rf * in / ? > How can i fix it? [ML] Reinstall is really your only option. Followed by the restore so that you get back all the user files. You do make backups, don't you? > The system still run .. for the moment..(sob). [ML] But will probably fail to reboot. It might manage to mount /, but the other partitions are most probably unreachable. > Please Help!! [ML] Don't run as root. And be very careful when you do. [ML] /Marino > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 04:59:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA23289 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 04:59:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA23279 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 04:59:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from salomon.siemens.de (salomon.siemens.de [139.23.33.13]) by david.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04202 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:59:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (curry.mchp.siemens.de [146.180.31.23]) by salomon.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27526 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:59:07 +0100 (MET) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29152 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:59:06 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:59:02 +0100 From: Andre Albsmeier To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Andre Albsmeier , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: runsocks (Was Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it?) Message-ID: <19990210135902.A7279@internal> References: <19990210070611.D10285@internal> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Kris Kennaway on Wed, Feb 10, 1999 at 05:01:00PM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 10-Feb-1999 at 17:01:00 +1030, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Andre Albsmeier wrote: > > > 2.2.x for a while. (I have problems using runsocks from the socks5 > > package, but yet haven't figured out if it's my fault). > > runsocks works fine for me in socksifying the stuff I use it for (FTP clients, > simple TCP apps, etc). What are you having problems with? Hmm, just finished my 3.1 upgrade, compiled socks and runsocks seems to work now. The only thing that doesn't work is compiling the telnet included with socks5: cc -I. -I../../include -I./../../include -O -pipe -DANDRE -D__USE_FIXED_PROTOTYPES__ -DHAVE_SETUPTERM -DSOCKS -DINCLUDE_PROTOTYPES -DKLUDGELINEMODE -DSOCKS -DINCLUDE_PROTOTYPES -o telnet authenc.o commands.o main.o network.o ring.o sys_bsd.o telnet.o terminal.o tn3270.o utilities.o -L../../lib -lsocks5 -lcrypt -lncurses -Llibtelnet -ltelnet telnet.o: In function `gettermname': telnet.o(.text+0x9f2): undefined reference to `ttytype' *** Error code 1 (continuing) `all' not remade because of errors. But this doesn't bother me because always I runsocks the FreeBSD telnet. Anyway, I will keep on experimenting on my home machine (where it failed yesterday) and look what happened. Maybe it was just to late in the evening... Thanks, -Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 05:29:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA25599 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 05:29:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomad.dataplex.net (nomad.dataplex.net [208.2.87.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA25594 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 05:29:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@nomad.dataplex.net) Received: from localhost (rkw@localhost) by nomad.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01535; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:28:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rkw@nomad.dataplex.net) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:28:42 -0600 (CST) From: Richard Wackerbarth To: John Fieber cc: jack , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, John Fieber wrote: > On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, jack wrote: > > > If /etc/rc.conf only contains changes from the defaults when > > man something_or_other tells the user to find and edit > > something_or_other_flags in /etc/rc.conf the entry won't be > > there to edit. > > Why must it contain only changes? Is there any reason it > couldn't be a copy of the default rc.conf on a new installation? Alternately, it could be a copy of the default file with every item commented out. That would provide the clues for those who need to edit values and still not mess up the default behavior of a new install with old options that might have changed but were not explicitly overridden. The documentation in the file could also suggest that the user remove anything that they do not need. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 06:29:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA03604 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:29:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pobox.com (planetx-2-184.mdm.mkt.execpc.com [169.207.142.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA03596 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:29:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hamilton@pobox.com) Received: from pobox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6591A46B04; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:29:34 -0600 (CST) To: Richard Wackerbarth Cc: John Fieber , jack , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:28:42 CST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:29:34 -0600 From: Jon Hamilton Message-Id: <19990210142934.6591A46B04@pobox.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , Richar d Wackerbarth wrote: } } On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, John Fieber wrote: } } > On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, jack wrote: } > } > > If /etc/rc.conf only contains changes from the defaults when } > > man something_or_other tells the user to find and edit } > > something_or_other_flags in /etc/rc.conf the entry won't be } > > there to edit. } > } > Why must it contain only changes? Is there any reason it } > couldn't be a copy of the default rc.conf on a new installation? } } Alternately, it could be a copy of the default file with every item } commented out. That would provide the clues for those who need to } edit values and still not mess up the default behavior of a new install } with old options that might have changed but were not explicitly } overridden. But then you're right back where you started. Since rc.conf isn't supposed to be touched by the install/upgrade tools, it'll get out of date (and will become a hinderance rather than a help) as default settings change, and as settings are added/deleted. -- Jon Hamilton hamilton@pobox.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 06:43:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA05606 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:43:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from orion.stargate.org (orion.stargate.org [204.181.4.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA05599 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:43:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ted@stargate.org) Received: from localhost (ted@localhost) by orion.stargate.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02456 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:41:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ted@stargate.org) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:41:01 -0500 (EST) From: "T.D. Brace" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Syncing Disks Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, We have a problem with some 3.0 release boxes. One just went down two days ago. When it came back up, it hangs on syncing disks. I had a tech (it's in a remote location) boot into single user mode, and fsck the disks. This went fine, but when he exited from single user mode, it again hangs on syncing disks. This is a brand new machine, worked great for about 6 weeks - and this is the second machine to do this since the first of the year. The other time I had the hard drive shipped to me and I rebuilt it. I would like to avoid that this time. Anyway, here are the machines specs in case that would be of any use: Abit BX6 MB with PII 400 (not overclocked). Bus is at 100MHz. 384mb ecc sdram adaptec 2940U2W scsi ibm 9g u2 scsi drive. intel etherexpress pro 100+ generic agp video card (stb I think). No cdrom's attached. It's running freebsd 3.0 release, apache 1.3.3, moderately loaded system average of 400 processes running at any one time. Heavy use of perl and mysql. The load averages weren't bad though, usually less than 0.5, and on average it was 80-90% idle (from top). The other machine that went was identical except the drive/controller were just wide scsi. Can anyone help? Thanks. -Ted To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 06:52:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA06837 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:52:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mortar.carlson.com (mortar.carlson.com [208.240.12.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA06827 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:52:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from veldy@visi.com) Received: from mortar.carlson.com (root@localhost) by mortar.carlson.com with ESMTP id IAA04320; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:52:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from w142844 ([172.25.99.35]) by mortar.carlson.com with SMTP id IAA04316; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:52:03 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00c401be5505$056cdad0$236319ac@w142844.carlson.com> From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: "T.D. Brace" , Subject: Re: Syncing Disks Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:52:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There is a known problem with spontaneous reboots you should be aware about. Please look at the thread over the last few days. My advice would be to use 2.2-STABLE if you can until this is fixed. I have run into this on one of my machines. It "seems" to be network related. I am assuming (we know what assume means) that this is the same problem. Tom Veldhouse veldy@visi.com -----Original Message----- From: T.D. Brace To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 8:44 AM Subject: Syncing Disks > >Hello, > >We have a problem with some 3.0 release boxes. One just went down two >days ago. When it came back up, it hangs on syncing disks. I had a >tech (it's in a remote location) boot into single user mode, and fsck >the disks. This went fine, but when he exited from single user mode, >it again hangs on syncing disks. This is a brand new machine, worked >great for about 6 weeks - and this is the second machine to do this since >the first of the year. The other time I had the hard drive shipped to me >and I rebuilt it. I would like to avoid that this time. Anyway, here are >the machines specs in case that would be of any use: > >Abit BX6 MB with PII 400 (not overclocked). >Bus is at 100MHz. >384mb ecc sdram >adaptec 2940U2W scsi >ibm 9g u2 scsi drive. >intel etherexpress pro 100+ >generic agp video card (stb I think). >No cdrom's attached. > >It's running freebsd 3.0 release, apache 1.3.3, moderately loaded system >average of 400 processes running at any one time. Heavy use of perl >and mysql. The load averages weren't bad though, usually less than 0.5, >and on average it was 80-90% idle (from top). > >The other machine that went was identical except the drive/controller >were just wide scsi. > >Can anyone help? > >Thanks. > >-Ted > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 06:55:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA07368 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:55:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from heaven.gigo.com (ppp.gigo.com [207.173.132.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA07362 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:55:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfesler@gigo.com) From: jfesler@gigo.com Received: from heaven.gigo.com (heaven.gigo.com [207.173.133.57]) by heaven.gigo.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 36CC81915; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:55:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:55:52 -0800 (PST) To: "David O'Brien" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which DHCP client In-Reply-To: <19990210010418.B8770@relay.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > NOTE that unlike the WIDE client, the ISC client defaults to overwriting > your /etc/resolv.conf file. In my case, an action that pisses me off > because I now have to write a messy /etc/dhclient.conf file to stop this > nonsence. On the flip side, you'll be able to set things the way you want (and make them *very* easy to find, versus the man page). There are sites that need/should to pick up DNS off the dhcp server. Especially when the campus moves the name servers around without telling the dhcp users :-). They'll have the knob it takes to turn that (back) on. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 06:57:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA07632 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:57:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA07627 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:57:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA07780; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:55:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:55:49 -0500 (EST) From: jack To: Sheldon Hearn cc: Richard Wackerbarth , John Fieber , Matthew Dillon , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-Reply-To: <93055.918634234@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > On Tue, 09 Feb 1999 20:42:40 CST, Richard Wackerbarth wrote: > > > But, I would not expect/allow "defaults" to be the mechanism > > which includes the "real" values. > > Neither would I, but only because this hasn't been made clear in such > a way that guys like you and me "get it". I reckon that a comment in > /etc/rc.conf explaining that it's a set of values used to _override_ > those in /etc/defaults/rc.conf ought to do the trick, eh? That would probably work. I'm not really oppposed to this concept I'd just like to see it documented in the distribution so that the lists aren't over run with questions when it hits the street and those who haven't been `heads uped' by the lists are in a state of confusion. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 07:05:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08529 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:05:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni-sb.de (uni-sb.de [134.96.252.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08524 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:05:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rock@cs.uni-sb.de) Received: from cs.uni-sb.de (cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.252.31]) by uni-sb.de (8.9.3/1999020800) with ESMTP id QAA04840; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:05:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from cs.uni-sb.de (maxtnt-243.telip.uni-sb.de [134.96.71.114]) by cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.3/1999020800) with ESMTP id QAA13007; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:05:12 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.cs.uni-sb.de: Host maxtnt-243.telip.uni-sb.de [134.96.71.114] claimed to be cs.uni-sb.de Message-ID: <36C1A058.61BD5E8B@cs.uni-sb.de> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:06:00 +0100 From: "D. Rock" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Andrey A. Chernov" CC: Joerg Wunsch , "D. Rock" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: locale errors References: <199902040250.DAA01966@vodix.aremorika> <19990204060349.A40565@nagual.pp.ru> <19990204073812.49101@uriah.heep.sax.de> <19990204103038.A19952@nagual.pp.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think I have found a solution. The problem with the current definition is, that "ss" is folded into one character, while "ß" should be expanded to "ss" and sorted accordingly. I read the manual pages of colldef and found a solution, which sorted my test patterns right. ndex: data/de_DE.ISO_8859-1.src =================================================================== RCS file: /data/cvs/src/usr.bin/colldef/data/de_DE.ISO_8859-1.src,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -c -r1.4 de_DE.ISO_8859-1.src *** de_DE.ISO_8859-1.src 1997/03/10 21:59:53 1.4 --- de_DE.ISO_8859-1.src 1999/02/10 14:52:52 *************** *** 3,8 **** --- 3,9 ---- # $Id: de_DE.ISO_8859-1.src,v 1.4 1997/03/10 21:59:53 ache Exp $ # charmap map.ISO_8859-1 + substitute "\xdf" with "ss" order \ # controls ;...;;;...;;\ *************** *** 29,35 **** b;(c,);d;(e,,,>,);\ f;g;h;(i,,,>,);\ j;...;m;(n,);(o,,,>,,,);\ ! p;...;r;s;(,ss);t;(u,,,>,);\ v;w;x;(y,,);z;\ ;;\ # --- 30,36 ---- b;(c,);d;(e,,,>,);\ f;g;h;(i,,,>,);\ j;...;m;(n,);(o,,,>,,,);\ ! p;...;r;s;;t;(u,,,>,);\ v;w;x;(y,,);z;\ ;;\ # This patch now sorts successfully my test words: ausarbeiten aussagen außer aussuchen austragen auszahlen Any negative side effects by this patch? [Why does have to be somewhere in the order statement although it has been substituted by some other characters? If I remove the in the order statement, colldef won't compile the file. The position of doesn't even matter...] BTW It is ugly you cannot use symbols on the LHS of substitute. Daniel "Andrey A. Chernov" schrieb: > > On Thu, Feb 04, 1999 at 07:38:12AM +0100, J Wunsch wrote: > > Well, not completely. :) For testing, i've restored the file from > > before my change, and it missorts similarly. I'm probably too stupid > > to understand all of this collate stuff. So far, i haven't been able > > to come up with any locale definition that does the right thing for > > every input. > > I mean no particular commit but whole idea how to sort doubled letters - > it comes from you, I can't invent this. Collating scheme is very simple - > we have two sorting orders - primary and secondary (f.e. Posix have four > levels for Unicode). If two strings are the same by primary order, they > compare using secondary one. That's all. I will apreciate your any > decision regarding to DE locale, fixing, backing out etc. since I even > can't display characters you use in your example, nor have strong desire > to dig in DE language area starting from zero background. > > -- > Andrey A. Chernov > ache@null.net > MTH/SH/HE S-- W-- N+ PEC>+ D A a++ C G>+ QH+(++) 666+>++ Y > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 08:18:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA17401 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:18:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misha.cisco.com (misha.cisco.com [171.69.206.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA17396 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:18:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mi@misha.cisco.com) Received: (from mi@localhost) by misha.cisco.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA10090 for current@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:14:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi) From: Mikhail Teterin Message-Id: <199902101614.LAA10090@misha.cisco.com> Subject: Re: Syncing Disks In-Reply-To: from "T.D. Brace" at "Feb 10, 1999 09:41:01 am" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:14:38 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: mi@aldan.algebra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL52 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > the disks. This went fine, but when he exited from single user mode, > it again hangs on syncing disks. This is a brand new machine, worked > great for about 6 weeks - and this is the second machine to do this since > the first of the year. I had a similar problem when I upgraded to the December's 3.0 current from February _96_ 3.0 current. Even after a clean shutdown, the root filesystem would need TWO consecutive fsck-s to become mountable -- always. I ended up backing up and remaking the FS, after which the problem went away. This was all very painfull, because the machine is 486SX25 :) IDE disk -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 08:22:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA17793 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:22:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA17787 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:22:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA25725; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:22:07 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id RAA03394; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:22:06 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:22:05 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: "Gary D. Margiotta" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.1? Message-ID: <19990210172205.L96008@bitbox.follo.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Gary D. Margiotta on Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 08:34:28PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 08:34:28PM -0500, Gary D. Margiotta wrote: > Hello, > > Don't mean to be a pest, or a PITA by asking this, but is the 3.1 branch > still scheduled for the middle of this month? I haven't seen much on the > list recently about it, but probably haven't been paying enough attention > to it tho... Thanks! There won't be a 3.1 branch - however, 3.1-RELEASE is still scheduled for the middle of this month :-) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 09:19:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22522 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:19:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from opus.cts.cwu.edu (opus.cts.cwu.edu [198.104.92.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22517 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:18:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu) Received: from localhost (skynyrd@localhost) by opus.cts.cwu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA00121 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:18:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:18:58 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Timmons To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: hang going multiuser Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I built and installed world+kernel last evening after the ibcs2 fix was committed to unbreak the build. When running either the new kernel or the pre-branch kernel from last month, I hang up on the way to multi-user. I can boot single-user, get my ccd drive going, get the network going, run cvs with an nfs-mounted repo, etc, etc. I can escape to the debugger; ps tells me I have processes 0-5 plus two sh's. init is in the 'wait' state. Is there a command to show which process is currently executing? Maybe it is telling me that and I can't see it. The trace (same for both kernels) shows: vm_map_madvise madvise syscall(2f,2f,80a1000,1000,efb94ba8) Xint0x80_syscall I also updated my /etc files, but even so the system shouldn't hang like this if I missed something. Something that was installed with the world is hanging up. -Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 10:19:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29329 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:19:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misha.cisco.com (misha.cisco.com [171.69.206.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA29324 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:19:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mi@misha.cisco.com) Received: (from mi@localhost) by misha.cisco.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA10513 for current@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:14:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi) From: Mikhail Teterin Message-Id: <199902101814.NAA10513@misha.cisco.com> Subject: umount -f To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:14:54 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: mi@aldan.algebra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL52 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Will it ever work as it appears it should? Currently I have (on 2.2.8) mi@xxx:/tmp (1032) umount -f phosphorus:/phosphorus umount: /phosphorus: Device busy This is because phosphorus is unreachable and is unlikely to ever become reachable again. Currently, a reboot is required to stop df, etc. from hanging. -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 10:48:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02600 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:48:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02595 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:48:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA21690; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:48:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:48:42 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: mi@aldan.algebra.com Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: umount -f Message-ID: <19990210104842.A21617@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199902101814.NAA10513@misha.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <199902101814.NAA10513@misha.cisco.com>; from Mikhail Teterin on Wed, Feb 10, 1999 at 01:14:54PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Will it ever work as it appears it should? Currently I have (on 2.2.8) > > mi@xxx:/tmp (1032) umount -f phosphorus:/phosphorus > umount: /phosphorus: Device busy >From an email from Peter Wemm: In this situation, you need to do this: umount -f -t nfs phosphorus:/phosphorus This causes umount to stat("phosphorus:/phosphorus") (which fails) rather than "/mnt". I really don't understand all the reasons behind this, but there seems to be a result of a lot of hackery so that: ln -s /dev/wd0c /dev/cdrom mount /dev/cdrom /mnt umount /dev/cdrom /mnt .. works. I don't recall the problems that it has to work around, but I gather that at mount time the symlink is followed and "/dev/wd0c" is installed in the mount table - so "/dev/cdrom" would not be matched by umount(2). ----- bde commented that the current behavior is needed so that "/dev/cdrom" shows up in ``mount'' w/o args instead of "/dev/wd0c". -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 10:59:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03885 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:59:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misha.cisco.com (misha.cisco.com [171.69.206.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03879 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:58:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mi@misha.cisco.com) Received: (from mi@localhost) by misha.cisco.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA10601 for current@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:54:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi) From: Mikhail Teterin Message-Id: <199902101854.NAA10601@misha.cisco.com> Subject: Re: umount -f In-Reply-To: <19990210104842.A21617@relay.nuxi.com> from "David O'Brien" at "Feb 10, 1999 10:48:42 am" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:54:53 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: mi@aldan.algebra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL52 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Will it ever work as it appears it should? Currently I have (on 2.2.8) > > > > mi@xxx:/tmp (1032) umount -f phosphorus:/phosphorus > > umount: /phosphorus: Device busy > > >From an email from Peter Wemm: > > In this situation, you need to do this: > umount -f -t nfs phosphorus:/phosphorus > > This causes umount to stat("phosphorus:/phosphorus") (which fails) rather > than "/mnt". Nope: mi@xxx:/tmp (1044) umount -f -t nfs phosphorus:/phosphorus umount: /phosphorus: Device busy It is not, that umount hangs, it is that it cares about the device being busy despite `-f' flag. Or so it seems... send-pr? -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 11:29:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07374 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:29:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misha.cisco.com (misha.cisco.com [171.69.206.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07368 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:29:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mi@misha.cisco.com) Received: (from mi@localhost) by misha.cisco.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA10682 for current@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:25:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi) From: Mikhail Teterin Message-Id: <199902101925.OAA10682@misha.cisco.com> Subject: Re: umount -f In-Reply-To: <14595.918673475@brown.pfcs.com> from Harlan Stenn at "Feb 10, 1999 02:04:35 pm" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:25:06 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: mi@aldan.algebra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL52 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Just to ask, have you run lsof on /phosphorus to see if it is, > indeed, busy? lsof is unable to stat /phosphorus, of course. But, in any case, this should not be relevant, because the `-f' is specified... -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 11:32:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07766 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:32:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07740 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:32:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (keep.lan.Awfulhak.org [172.16.0.8]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14584; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:32:01 GMT (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA00447; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:40:13 GMT (envelope-from brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199902101840.SAA00447@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: John Fieber cc: jack , Matthew Dillon , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:39:34 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:40:12 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, jack wrote: > > > If /etc/rc.conf only contains changes from the defaults when > > man something_or_other tells the user to find and edit > > something_or_other_flags in /etc/rc.conf the entry won't be > > there to edit. > > Why must it contain only changes? Is there any reason it > couldn't be a copy of the default rc.conf on a new installation? > Over time and upgrades it may get a little out of sync with the > default file, but by then the user/admin will most likely be > familiar enough with configuring the system that it won't exactly > be a stumper. > > And how about this: stick a big comment at the top of > /etc/rc.conf suggesting that the user consult > /etc/defaults/rc.conf for a complete list of tunable parameters. > > Even in the worst case, the system behavior is exactly as it was > before any of these changes came about. Exactly ! I've got the equivalent of /etc/defaults/rc.conf in /usr/src/etc at the moment. What have we gained ? What are we trying to gain ? The fundamental problem is not going to go away. When people upgrade, whether it's via ``make install'' or via sysinstall, they're still going to have to hand-install /etc, maybe with some help from mergemaster or a local script. If they don't, they'll be burned by a changed default value. What we've got now in -current is a place to put default variable values rather than having to make /etc/rc* behave reasonably if /etc/rc.conf isn't updated... not much of a gain IMHO. As long as the /etc/rc* files don't complain if /etc/defaults doesn't exist, i'll be happy. It's a waste of space when you've got /usr/src, and only confuses things. > -john -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 11:32:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07772 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:32:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07733 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:32:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (keep.lan.Awfulhak.org [172.16.0.8]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14561; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:31:24 GMT (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA00478; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:46:50 GMT (envelope-from brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199902101846.SAA00478@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "RT" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Feb 1999 21:17:24 EST." <00cd01be549b$81efe800$1300000a@a19.my.intranet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:46:50 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I kinda like the /etc./defaults directory... All default files should be > placed there. Only things edited should be in /etc.. It'll make for a much > smaller mess of files. I'm wondering about items like ppp examples? They're going into /usr/share/examples/ppp soon. I have some other things (like tcl scripts for answering chap challenges) that will go in there, and it's a more generic place.... Besides, with all this activity, it'd be nice to get out of /etc altogether :-) -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 12:06:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12506 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:06:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12495 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:06:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id MAA85794; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:05:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:05:05 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199902102005.MAA85794@apollo.backplane.com> To: Chris Timmons Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: hang going multiuser References: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : :I can escape to the debugger; ps tells me I have processes 0-5 plus two :sh's. init is in the 'wait' state. Is there a command to show which :process is currently executing? Maybe it is telling me that and I can't :see it. : :The trace (same for both kernels) shows: : :vm_map_madvise :madvise :syscall(2f,2f,80a1000,1000,efb94ba8) :Xint0x80_syscall Just do a 'ps' ... you can tell from the flags and whether there is a wait string. Another thing you can try doing is a 'set -v' in /etc/rc and /etc/rc.local to make it dump what it's doing, so you can tell exactly where it is hanging. -Matt Matthew Dillon :-Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 13:58:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24984 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:58:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24976; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:58:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dom@myrddin.demon.co.uk) Received: from [158.152.54.180] (helo=myrddin.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10AheQ-00078f-00; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:58:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (myrddin.demon.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] by myrddin.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1) id 10AheG-0000Yk-00; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:58:20 +0000 To: Mike Smith Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ References: <199902091835.KAA03875@dingo.cdrom.com> From: Dom Mitchell In-Reply-To: Mike Smith's message of "Tue, 09 Feb 1999 10:35:13 -0800" X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:58:19 +0000 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith writes: > > You will get "no route to host" type messages. > > Yup. That's just the way it is - I can't imagine what alternative the > original poster thought they could have, steal an address? Ignore your > least? Get real. Nope, just curious as to what would would happen. I kinda realised that if your IP address goes away, you're going to have problems maintaining connections. :-) I just wondered whether we would negotiate another one, for use by new processes... But then, you'd still have to restart all daemons... A reboot would be quicker. I'm not sure what NT does under those circumstances. -- When I said "we", officer, I was referring to myself, the four young ladies, and, of course, the goat. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 14:27:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28089 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:27:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from conway.com (host167.conway.com [208.234.182.167] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA28042; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:27:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill.rosenthal@conway.com) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:27:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199902102227.OAA28042@hub.freebsd.org> From: William A Rosenthal To: William A Rosenthal Subject: Global Conference: SUPER CITIES OF THE 21st CENTURY Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ___________________________________________________________ Please join us in Madrid from May 2-5, 1999 for the World Development Federation's 7th annual Global Super Projects Conference on SUPER CITIES OF THE 21st CENTURY. 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Urban leaders and senior business executives from around the world will meet to define the components essential for cities to become "world class" in the next millennium. In addition to the conference's co-host, Mayor Alvarez del Manzano of Madrid, other dignitaries expected to participate include: Spain's Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar; Germany's ex-Finance Minister Theo Weigel; world-renowned architect Ricardo Bofill; Olympics Committee President Juan Samaranch; the originator of the "World Cities" concept, Professor Peter Hall; and mayors from major metropolises worldwide. The latest program information about the Super Cities Conference and a convenient registraton form may be found at our Web site, http://www.conway.com/wdf/madrid99/ I hope you can join us. Sincerely, William A. Rosenthal Vice Chairman, WDF mailto: bill.rosenthal@conway.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 22:45:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA01698 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:45:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [194.77.0.18] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA01692 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:45:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: from klemm.gtn.com (pppak04.gtn.com [194.231.123.169]) by picalon.gun.de (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA02450; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:45:00 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id HAA16658; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:28:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:28:11 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: lpt driver going away Message-ID: <19990211072811.A16368@titan.klemm.gtn.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Dag-Erling Smorgrav on Wed, Feb 10, 1999 at 03:04:15AM +0100 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > BE ADVISED that the nlpt driver will soon be renamed to lpt. Will the lpt driver be replaced in RELENG_3 as well ? -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 10 22:45:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA01711 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:45:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [194.77.0.18] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA01704 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:45:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: from klemm.gtn.com (pppak04.gtn.com [194.231.123.169]) by picalon.gun.de (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA02457; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:45:03 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id HAA16676; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:33:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:33:14 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: Ladavac Marino Cc: "'andrea'" , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Need Help Message-ID: <19990211073314.B16368@titan.klemm.gtn.com> References: <97A8CA5BF490D211A94F0000F6C2E55D097536@s-lmh-wi-900.corpnet.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <97A8CA5BF490D211A94F0000F6C2E55D097536@s-lmh-wi-900.corpnet.at>; from Ladavac Marino on Wed, Feb 10, 1999 at 01:47:58PM +0100 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Feb 10, 1999 at 01:47:58PM +0100, Ladavac Marino wrote: > and that you should > cd /dev > ./MAKEDEV > in order to try to recreate them. After that one should double check, if really every disk device has been recreated. With the new slice scheme in newer FreeBSD versions you have to create them explicitely: sh MAKEDEV sd0s1a or da0s1a in even newer FreeBSD versions (>=3.0) Make sure, that raw devices (rsd0s1a) are created as well. But as Ladavac wrote, you should know, where you typed this command... If you clobbered /etc, then you have to do a lot of more things. Best would then be to make a boot and fixit disk for your system and restore things from backup if you have a backup ... Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 00:52:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14529 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:52:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA14524 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:52:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Michael.Schuster@Germany.Sun.COM) Received: from Germany.Sun.COM ([129.157.168.5]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id AAA15123 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:52:45 -0800 Received: from emuc05-home by Germany.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-sd.fkk205) id JAA24173; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:52:42 +0100 Received: from Germany.Sun.com by emuc05-home (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-se.fkk202) id JAA28175; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:52:44 +0100 Message-ID: <36C29A4C.8AEEB4E4@Germany.Sun.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:52:28 +0100 From: michael schuster Organization: Sun Microsystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I think people will get used to /etc/defaults fairly > quickly just a note on naming: Solaris as well as HP-UX have "/etc/default", not "/etc/defaults". Seeing that we're introducing a change, we might just as well move to something others use as well. regards Michael -- Michael Schuster / Michael.Schuster@germany.sun.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 01:24:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA18110 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 01:24:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni-sb.de (uni-sb.de [134.96.252.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA18101 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 01:24:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rock@cs.uni-sb.de) Received: from cs.uni-sb.de (cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.252.31]) by uni-sb.de (8.9.3/1999020800) with ESMTP id KAA10575; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:24:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from cs.uni-sb.de (maxtnt-010.rz.uni-sb.de [134.96.70.137]) by cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.3/1999020800) with ESMTP id KAA23485; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:24:02 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.cs.uni-sb.de: Host maxtnt-010.rz.uni-sb.de [134.96.70.137] claimed to be cs.uni-sb.de Message-ID: <36C2A1E3.4404804@cs.uni-sb.de> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:24:51 +0100 From: "D. Rock" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Dillon CC: "D. Rock" , N , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Seeing NFS saturation 'loop' when installworld'ing to NFS / and /usr References: <199902060101.CAA04062@vodix.aremorika> <199902060203.SAA01635@apollo.backplane.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This doesn't fix my problem (my isn't even rename or delete related) As I writed some time before, I always get the wrong results if I generate the termcap.db in an NFSv3 mounted directory. It doesn't matter which machine is the NFS server (tried Solaris 7 and the NFS client machine itself). The generated file has *always* the wrong size (always the same: 1077760 Bytes, instead of 1245184 Bytes, which it should have). With NFSv2 the output is OK. Can anyone please test this if they have the same problem. It is quite easy: mkdir /NFS/termcap; cp /usr/src/share/termcap/* /NFS/termcap cd /NFS/termcap; make redo this with NFSv2 and v3 and compare the results. If someone else has the same problem it would be nice if he can drop me a note, so I know I'm not alone... Anyone with /usr/obj NFS mounted should have the same problems. I don't even dare to do a make release on an NFSv3 mounted chroot directory. Even if the make succeeded I wouldn't trust the results. NFSv2 seems quite stable now. Daniel Matthew Dillon schrieb: > Index: nfs_vnops.c > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/nfs/nfs_vnops.c,v > retrieving revision 1.119 > diff -u -r1.119 nfs_vnops.c > --- nfs_vnops.c 1999/01/27 22:45:49 1.119 > +++ nfs_vnops.c 1999/02/06 01:56:23 > @@ -1567,6 +1567,19 @@ > } > > /* > + * We have to flush B_DELWRI data prior to renaming > + * the file. If we don't, the delayed-write buffers > + * can be flushed out later after the file has gone stale > + * under NFSV3. NFSV2 does not have this problem because > + * ( as far as I can tell ) it flushes dirty buffers more > + * often. > + */ > + > + VOP_FSYNC(fvp, fcnp->cn_cred, MNT_WAIT, fcnp->cn_proc); > + if (tvp) > + VOP_FSYNC(tvp, tcnp->cn_cred, MNT_WAIT, tcnp->cn_proc); > + > + /* > * If the tvp exists and is in use, sillyrename it before doing the > * rename of the new file over it. > * XXX Can't sillyrename a directory. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 01:43:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA20435 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 01:43:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from friley-185-205.res.iastate.edu (friley-185-205.res.iastate.edu [129.186.185.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA20428; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 01:43:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ccsanady@friley-185-205.res.iastate.edu) Received: from friley-185-205.res.iastate.edu (localhost.res.iastate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by friley-185-205.res.iastate.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960A410; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 03:43:43 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Serious mbuf cluster leak.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:49:20 CST." <19990210234920.2A11B6@friley-185-205.res.iastate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 03:43:43 -0600 From: Chris Csanady Message-Id: <19990211094343.960A410@friley-185-205.res.iastate.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After a while, I have determined the cause of the leak to be the following commit. Although, I can't seem to find any reason why it would cause this behavior--reverting these files fixes it. Any thoughts? fenner 1999/01/20 09:32:01 PST Modified files: sys/kern uipc_socket.c sys/netinet tcp_output.c tcp_usrreq.c tcp_var.h sys/sys protosw.h Log: Add a flag, passed to pru_send routines, PRUS_MORETOCOME. This flag means that there is more data to be put into the socket buffer. Use it in TCP to reduce the interaction between mbuf sizes and the Nagle algorithm. Based on: "Justin C. Walker" 's description of Apple's fix for this problem. Revision Changes Path 1.50 +4 -2 src/sys/kern/uipc_socket.c 1.32 +3 -2 src/sys/netinet/tcp_output.c 1.40 +7 -2 src/sys/netinet/tcp_usrreq.c 1.49 +18 -17 src/sys/netinet/tcp_var.h 1.26 +2 -1 src/sys/sys/protosw.h >I have been seeing a nasty cluster leak in both 3.0 stable and 4.0 >current as of today. Until now, I thougt maybe it was something in >my driver, athough after much careful looking over my code, it >simply does not look possible. Also, I downgraded to current of >Dec 12, and the problem dissappears. > >The odd thing is that the clusters that leak don't seem to be >attached to mbufs. Or at least there is not a 1-1 ratio. Following >is netstat output after a while of running netpipe in streaming >mode. (NPtcp -s; see ftp://ftp.scl.ameslab.gov/pub/netpipe) Also, >the leak only becomes apparent when the send write size is very >large--several hundred K to several megabytes. > >Does anyone have any idea what this may be? I really am not sure >where to look aside from trying prorgressively newer kernels. Also, >I only have alphas to test on right now.. > >puck:~> netstat -m >211/416 mbufs in use: > 116 mbufs allocated to data > 95 mbufs allocated to packet headers >1674/1688/2048 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max) >3480 Kbytes allocated to network (97% in use) >0 requests for memory denied >0 requests for memory delayed >0 calls to protocol drain routines > > >Chris Csanady > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 02:04:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA22853 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 02:04:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from afpc200.ipan.lublin.pl (afpc200.ipan.lublin.pl [193.59.19.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA22840 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 02:04:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from krzysiek@afpc200.ipan.lublin.pl) From: krzysiek@afpc200.ipan.lublin.pl Received: (from krzysiek@localhost) by afpc200.ipan.lublin.pl (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA25085; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:04:41 GMT (envelope-from krzysiek) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:04:41 GMT Message-Id: <199902111104.LAA25085@afpc200.ipan.lublin.pl> To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-URL: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook259.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.8rel.2 X-Personal_name: Krzysztof Lamorski Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 03:38:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA01439 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 03:38:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA01434 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 03:38:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA31552; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:38:00 +1100 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:38:00 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199902111138.WAA31552@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: nate@mt.sri.com, wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: FreeBSD Crippleware (was Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/) Cc: axl@iafrica.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG, des@flood.ping.uio.no, sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> > Where did the "-C" option for install(1) come from? bde pick up on >> > somethings I did a long time ago. >> >> Uh, no, wrong. (Speaking as the creator of `install -C'.) > >In defense of Steven, he was the 'original' author of -C, whether or not >you used his code or not. He pushed for this long before it was part of >FreeBSD. AFAIR, I used Garrett's version of -C long before Steve pushed for something quite different (-z). Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 04:13:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA07538 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:13:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA07529 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:13:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA02141; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:13:34 +1100 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:13:34 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199902111213.XAA02141@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG, mi@aldan.algebra.com Subject: Re: umount -f Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> > Will it ever work as it appears it should? Currently I have (on 2.2.8) >> >From an email from Peter Wemm: >> >> In this situation, you need to do this: >> umount -f -t nfs phosphorus:/phosphorus >> >> This causes umount to stat("phosphorus:/phosphorus") (which fails) rather >> than "/mnt". > >Nope: > > mi@xxx:/tmp (1044) umount -f -t nfs phosphorus:/phosphorus > umount: /phosphorus: Device busy IIRC, this depends on fixes from Lite2. It won't ever work in 2.2.8. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 04:14:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA07839 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:14:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from octopus.originative.co.uk (originat.demon.co.uk [158.152.220.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA07832 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:14:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@originative.co.uk) From: paul@originative.co.uk Received: by octopus with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1R49BBAX>; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:56:36 -0000 Message-ID: To: brian@Awfulhak.org, tr49986@rcc.on.ca Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:56:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Somers [mailto:brian@Awfulhak.org] > Sent: 10 February 1999 18:47 > To: RT > Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. > > > > I kinda like the /etc./defaults directory... All default > files should be > > placed there. Only things edited should be in /etc.. > It'll make for a much > > smaller mess of files. I'm wondering about items like ppp examples? After mulling this over for a few days I can see that /etc/defaults is probably going to be a good thing. From your other mail, /usr/src/etc isn't any good for holding default system parameters since a) it might not be around since it's not in root. My previous suggestion of /usr/share fails this criteria as well, wasn't thinking clearly :-) b) it might not be around because there are no sources installed. If /etc/defaults is truly RO (I think the immutable flag should be set on those files to stop idle tampering) then it will solve the /etc upgrade problem or at least alleviate it greatly. Adding new knobs will be a doddle, the default file gets a new knob, with it's default setting and it'll just work. Changing the defaults for an existing setting are likewise not a problem. The local admin will still need to take a parse over the /etc settings when an upgrade is done to see if the defaults still suit the local requirements but the actuall installation of the new files can finally be automated without clobbering local settings and major changes to subsystems can take place without a lot of user intervention to upgrade the /etc/files by hand. > They're going into /usr/share/examples/ppp soon. I have some other > things (like tcl scripts for answering chap challenges) that will go > in there, and it's a more generic place.... > > Besides, with all this activity, it'd be nice to get out of /etc > altogether :-) Have another think about it. /etc/defaults does have its merits but it isn't going to work well unless everyone buys into it. Paul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 04:44:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA10588 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:44:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from solaris.matti.ee (solaris.matti.ee [194.126.98.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA10574 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:44:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vallo@myhakas.matti.ee) Received: from myhakas.matti.ee (myhakas.matti.ee [194.126.114.87]) by solaris.matti.ee (8.8.8/8.8.8.s) with ESMTP id OAA18223; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:44:47 +0200 (EET) Received: (from vallo@localhost) by myhakas.matti.ee (8.9.2/8.9.1) id OAA45732; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:44:49 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from vallo) Message-ID: <19990211144449.A45575@matti.ee> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:44:49 +0200 From: Vallo Kallaste To: mi@aldan.algebra.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: umount -f Reply-To: vallo@matti.ee References: <19990210104842.A21617@relay.nuxi.com> <199902101854.NAA10601@misha.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199902101854.NAA10601@misha.cisco.com>; from Mikhail Teterin on Wed, Feb 10, 1999 at 01:54:53PM -0500 Organization: =?iso-8859-15?Q?AS_Matti_B=FCrootehnika?= Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Feb 10, 1999 at 01:54:53PM -0500, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > Nope: > > mi@xxx:/tmp (1044) umount -f -t nfs phosphorus:/phosphorus > umount: /phosphorus: Device busy > > It is not, that umount hangs, it is that it cares about the device being > busy despite `-f' flag. Or so it seems... send-pr? Do you have "hard" mount or "soft" mount? I have seen such behavior for "hard" mounts. -- Vallo Kallaste vallo@matti.ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 05:13:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA13523 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 05:13:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA13503 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 05:13:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17228 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:12:41 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id OAA08106 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:12:39 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:12:36 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Wrong things posted to -current (was Re: Need Help) Message-ID: <19990211141236.Z96008@bitbox.follo.net> References: <009001be54ec$b2d3e9c0$0200a8c0@oma.linet.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <009001be54ec$b2d3e9c0$0200a8c0@oma.linet.it>; from andrea on Wed, Feb 10, 1999 at 12:58:39PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Feb 10, 1999 at 12:58:39PM +0100, andrea wrote: > HI > > I have a trouble with FreeBSD 2.1.5 This an example of the type of question one DOES NOT ANSWER in freebsd-current. Instead, send a polite note to the poster telling him to send his question to questions@freebsd.org, along with a quick answer (if you know it). current@freebsd.org presently sees more traffic than hackers@freebsd.org - it is filled with all kinds of not-really-related-to-current material. Please take care to keep our signal-to-noise ratio good - including not answering bad postings, and not posting technical questions to current@freebsd.org (they belong in hackers@freebsd.org and questions@freebsd.org, depending on what level the question is at). Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 05:25:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA14859 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 05:25:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kot.ne.mediaone.net (kot.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.12.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA14852 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 05:25:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Received: (from mi@localhost) by kot.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id IAA25866; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:24:53 -0500 (EST) From: Mikhail Teterin Message-Id: <199902111324.IAA25866@kot.ne.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: umount -f In-Reply-To: <19990211144449.A45575@matti.ee> from Vallo Kallaste at "Feb 11, 1999 02:44:49 pm" To: vallo@matti.ee Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:24:52 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: %UW#n0|w>ydeGt/b@1-.UFP=K^~-:0f#O:D7w hJ5G_<5143Bb3kOIs9XpX+"V+~$adGP:J|SLieM31VIhqXeLBli" wrote: = => Nope: => => mi@xxx:/tmp (1044) umount -f -t nfs phosphorus:/phosphorus => umount: /phosphorus: Device busy => => It is not, that umount hangs, it is that it cares about the device being => busy despite `-f' flag. Or so it seems... send-pr? = =Do you have "hard" mount or "soft" mount? I have seen such behavior =for "hard" mounts. Soft. But it should not matter, should it? -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 05:32:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16089 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 05:32:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16081 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 05:32:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Aw5y-000B2C-00; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:23:54 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: paul@originative.co.uk cc: brian@Awfulhak.org, tr49986@rcc.on.ca, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:56:31 GMT." Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:23:54 +0200 Message-ID: <42419.918739434@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Paul, Just a few criticisms of your comments... On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:56:31 GMT, paul@originative.co.uk wrote: > Adding new knobs will be a doddle, the default file gets a new knob, with > it's default setting and it'll just work. It won't be "a doddle" if, as you suggested, the defaults directory is system immutable. For exactly this reason, that suggestion wasn't a good one. I hope you agree. > > They're going into /usr/share/examples/ppp soon. > > [...] > > Besides, with all this activity, it'd be nice to get out of /etc > > altogether :-) > > Have another think about it. /etc/defaults does have its merits but it isn't > going to work well unless everyone buys into it. /etc/defaults is for default knobs that are turned on by default and may be overridden. Examples are knobs that are not turned on by default. Can you see why the ppp examples are not a candidate for "buy in"? Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 05:34:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16231 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 05:34:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16225 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 05:34:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from mercury (mercury [129.127.36.44]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id AAA08360; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:04:13 +1030 (CST) Received: from localhost by mercury; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/27Nov97-0404PM) id AA28893; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:04:08 +1030 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:04:08 +1030 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway To: Andre Albsmeier Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: runsocks (Was Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it?) In-Reply-To: <19990210135902.A7279@internal> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Andre Albsmeier wrote: > Hmm, just finished my 3.1 upgrade, compiled socks and runsocks seems > to work now. The only thing that doesn't work is compiling the telnet > included with socks5: > > cc -I. -I../../include -I./../../include -O -pipe -DANDRE -D__USE_FIXED_PROTOTYPES__ -DHAVE_SETUPTERM -DSOCKS -DINCLUDE_PROTOTYPES -DKLUDGELINEMODE -DSOCKS -DINCLUDE_PROTOTYPES -o telnet authenc.o commands.o main.o network.o ring.o sys_bsd.o telnet.o terminal.o tn3270.o utilities.o -L../../lib -lsocks5 -lcrypt -lncurses -Llibtelnet -ltelnet > telnet.o: In function `gettermname': > telnet.o(.text+0x9f2): undefined reference to `ttytype' > *** Error code 1 (continuing) > `all' not remade because of errors. > > But this doesn't bother me because always I runsocks the FreeBSD telnet. Yeah, this doesn't comple for some reason as of about 1.0r4. The port just doesn't bother trying to install it - no-one's cared enough to look at why it's broken and how to fix it. Kris ----- (ASP) Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) announced today that the release of its productivity suite, Office 2000, will be delayed until the first quarter of 1901. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 05:43:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17123 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 05:43:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA17117 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 05:43:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@camtech.com.au) Received: from dialup-ad-13-2.camtech.net.au (dialup-ad-13-2.camtech.net.au [203.55.243.130]) by goliath.camtech.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id AAA01128; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:12:37 +1030 (CST) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:14:18 +1030 (CST) From: Matthew Thyer X-Sender: matt@localhost Reply-To: thyerm@camtech.com.au To: current@FreeBSD.ORG cc: hosokawa@jp.FreeBSD.org Subject: How to power off an ATX power supply machine on shutdown ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry if this is inappropriate for -CURRENT but I am mailing here as the answer may be to do with recent committed features to -CURRENT (intpm ??). Anyway, how do I power off a machine on shutdown ? I have "apm" in the kernel and it probes as apm v 1.2 but when the "shutdown -p now" command is run, the power is not turned off and I have to hold down the power button for 4 seconds to turn it off. Hows it done ? Do I have to run "apmconf -e" (The owner hasn't tried this yet) I cant give more info as it's not my machine and I only see it on weekends. /=====================================================================\ |Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@camtech.net.au| \=====================================================================/ "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 05:56:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18781 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 05:56:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18756 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 05:56:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from salomon.siemens.de (salomon.siemens.de [139.23.33.13]) by david.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04373 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:56:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (curry.mchp.siemens.de [146.180.31.23]) by salomon.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28820 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:56:15 +0100 (MET) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11478 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:56:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:56:14 +0100 From: Andre Albsmeier To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Andre Albsmeier , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: runsocks (Was Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it?) Message-ID: <19990211145614.A1418@internal> References: <19990210135902.A7279@internal> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Kris Kennaway on Fri, Feb 12, 1999 at 12:04:08AM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 12-Feb-1999 at 00:04:08 +1030, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Andre Albsmeier wrote: > > > Hmm, just finished my 3.1 upgrade, compiled socks and runsocks seems > > to work now. The only thing that doesn't work is compiling the telnet > > included with socks5: > > > > cc -I. -I../../include -I./../../include -O -pipe -DANDRE -D__USE_FIXED_PROTOTYPES__ -DHAVE_SETUPTERM -DSOCKS -DINCLUDE_PROTOTYPES -DKLUDGELINEMODE -DSOCKS -DINCLUDE_PROTOTYPES -o telnet authenc.o commands.o main.o network.o ring.o sys_bsd.o telnet.o terminal.o tn3270.o utilities.o -L../../lib -lsocks5 -lcrypt -lncurses -Llibtelnet -ltelnet > > telnet.o: In function `gettermname': > > telnet.o(.text+0x9f2): undefined reference to `ttytype' > > *** Error code 1 (continuing) > > `all' not remade because of errors. > > > > But this doesn't bother me because always I runsocks the FreeBSD telnet. > > Yeah, this doesn't comple for some reason as of about 1.0r4. The port just > doesn't bother trying to install it - no-one's cared enough to look at why > it's broken and how to fix it. It works with 2.2.x. The problem has something to do with ncurses. In 2.2.x the termcap lib is found by configure. In 3.x, the ncurses is used, IIRC. With the termcap lib, ttytpe can be resolved; with ncurses not. BTW, runsocks works really. I think it was to late at night when I tried it the first time. Don't know what I did wrong ... -Andre > > Kris > > ----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 06:38:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24600 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 06:38:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (polaris.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24573 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 06:38:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jose@we.lc.ehu.es) Received: from we.lc.ehu.es (tiburon [158.227.6.111]) by polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03643 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:37:58 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <36C2EB45.11C6DBA7@we.lc.ehu.es> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:37:57 +0100 From: "Jose M. Alcaide" Organization: Universidad del Pais Vasco - Dept. de Electricidad y Electronica X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What I don't like from the new "rc.conf" approach is the name "rc.conf" ;-). I think that the old "sysconfig" should come back. Then, there would be a /etc/defaults/sysconfig (R/O), and a /etc/sysconfig (storing the site-specific config). These files would contain _only_ variable assignments. The /etc/rc.conf script would be R/O too; it would read /etc/defaults/sysconfig and /etc/sysconfig in turn. Furthermore, both "sysconfig"s could be splitted into several files (net, nfs, time, console, isdn, etc.). In this case, another directory should be created under /etc (named "siteconfig", for example), which would be the site-specific counterpart of /etc/defaults. My 0.02 euro, -- JMA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- José Mª Alcaide | mailto:jose@we.lc.ehu.es Universidad del País Vasco | mailto:jmas@es.FreeBSD.ORG Dpto. de Electricidad y Electrónica | http://www.we.lc.ehu.es/~jose Facultad de Ciencias - Campus de Lejona | Tel.: +34-946012479 48940 Lejona (Vizcaya) - SPAIN | Fax: +34-944858139 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Go ahead... make my day." - H. Callahan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 06:45:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA25390 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 06:45:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (polaris.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25381 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 06:45:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jose@we.lc.ehu.es) Received: from we.lc.ehu.es (tiburon [158.227.6.111]) by polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03683; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:44:02 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <36C2ECB2.A170B00C@we.lc.ehu.es> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:44:02 +0100 From: "Jose M. Alcaide" Organization: Universidad del Pais Vasco - Dept. de Electricidad y Electronica X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thyerm@camtech.com.au CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG, hosokawa@jp.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: How to power off an ATX power supply machine on shutdown ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Thyer wrote: > Anyway, how do I power off a machine on shutdown ? > > I have "apm" in the kernel and it probes as apm v 1.2 but when > the "shutdown -p now" command is run, the power is not turned > off and I have to hold down the power button for 4 seconds to > turn it off. > > Hows it done ? > > Do I have to run "apmconf -e" (The owner hasn't tried this yet) > Yes. There is a knob in /etc/rc.conf ("apm_enable") that forces this at startup. -- JMA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- José Mª Alcaide | mailto:jose@we.lc.ehu.es Universidad del País Vasco | mailto:jmas@es.FreeBSD.ORG Dpto. de Electricidad y Electrónica | http://www.we.lc.ehu.es/~jose Facultad de Ciencias - Campus de Lejona | Tel.: +34-946012479 48940 Lejona (Vizcaya) - SPAIN | Fax: +34-944858139 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Go ahead... make my day." - H. Callahan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 07:29:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01766 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:29:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhost.det.ameritech.net (mpdr0.detroit.mi.ameritech.net [206.141.239.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01749 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:29:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jerry@reillyplating.com) Received: from reillyplating.com ([206.141.212.16]) by mailhost.det.ameritech.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990211162535.HCC21951@reillyplating.com> for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:25:35 -0600 Received: from reillyplating.com (jerry.lan [10.0.0.9]) by reillyplating.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11555 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:29:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36C2F739.F4F4857D@reillyplating.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:28:57 -0500 From: Jerry Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Adding a pnp device id Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Where would I look to add a pnp id number for a modem that is not being detected during the pnp device probe at boot? I have tried putting it in the pnpdata file and sio.c, (remaking & reinstalling afterward), but the modem still is not detected. The modem is detected by the bios and displayed on the list after the post. I am running 4.0 current, built from last weekend (2/7/99). I have tried this on several different pc's with different motherboards with the same results. Thank you, Jerry Bell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 07:45:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA04555 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:45:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from solaris.matti.ee (solaris.matti.ee [194.126.98.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA04539 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:45:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vallo@myhakas.matti.ee) Received: from myhakas.matti.ee (myhakas.matti.ee [194.126.114.87]) by solaris.matti.ee (8.8.8/8.8.8.s) with ESMTP id RAA28898; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:45:30 +0200 (EET) Received: (from vallo@localhost) by myhakas.matti.ee (8.9.2/8.9.1) id RAA46436; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:45:32 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from vallo) Message-ID: <19990211174532.A46364@matti.ee> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:45:32 +0200 From: Vallo Kallaste To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: umount -f Reply-To: vallo@matti.ee References: <19990211144449.A45575@matti.ee> <199902111324.IAA25866@kot.ne.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199902111324.IAA25866@kot.ne.mediaone.net>; from Mikhail Teterin on Thu, Feb 11, 1999 at 08:24:52AM -0500 Organization: =?iso-8859-15?Q?AS_Matti_B=FCrootehnika?= Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Feb 11, 1999 at 08:24:52AM -0500, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > =Do you have "hard" mount or "soft" mount? I have seen such behavior > =for "hard" mounts. > > Soft. But it should not matter, should it? I don't know, I'm not a expert to say for sure. Only know that about two months ago I tried to soft mount some exports from our Solaris 2.5.1 box and after that I was able to forcibly umount them. That's all I can say, I haven't used any NFS mounts since. -- Vallo Kallaste vallo@matti.ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 07:47:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA04758 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:47:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA04748 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:47:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA16712; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:47:38 +1100 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:47:38 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199902111547.CAA16712@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: dillon@apollo.backplane.com, rock@cs.uni-sb.de Subject: Re: Seeing NFS saturation 'loop' when installworld'ing to NFS / and /usr Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, niels@bakker.net, rock@wurzelausix.CS.Uni-SB.DE Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >As I writed some time before, I always get the wrong results if I generate >the termcap.db in an NFSv3 mounted directory. It doesn't matter which machine >is the NFS server (tried Solaris 7 and the NFS client machine itself). The >generated file has *always* the wrong size (always the same: 1077760 Bytes, >instead of 1245184 Bytes, which it should have). With NFSv2 the output is >OK. 1077760 seems to be correct. The different sizes are caused by the db library believing that statbuf.st_blksize actually gives the optimal blocksize for I/O. For nfsv3, st_blksize is 512, and this gives a smaller database, but for nfsv2 st_blksize seems to be determined by the server. I get the following results after hacking the db library to use a fixed blocksize: blocksize 8192: ufs db file size = nfs db file size = 1245184, and files same blocksize 512: ufs db file size = nfs db file size = 1077760, but files differ The differences seem to be mostly for randomly sized bunches of \0's appearing at different places in the files. cap_mkdb is incredibly slow (140 seconds on a P5/133 for an nfs output file). Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 07:53:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA05244 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:53:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from octopus.originative.co.uk (originat.demon.co.uk [158.152.220.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA05233 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:53:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@originative.co.uk) From: paul@originative.co.uk Received: by octopus with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1R49BBC8>; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:51:59 -0000 Message-ID: To: axl@iafrica.com Cc: brian@Awfulhak.org, tr49986@rcc.on.ca, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:51:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -----Original Message----- > From: Sheldon Hearn [mailto:axl@iafrica.com] > Sent: 11 February 1999 13:24 > To: paul@originative.co.uk > Cc: brian@Awfulhak.org; tr49986@rcc.on.ca; current@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. > > > > > Hi Paul, > > Just a few criticisms of your comments... > > On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:56:31 GMT, paul@originative.co.uk wrote: > > > Adding new knobs will be a doddle, the default file gets a > new knob, with > > it's default setting and it'll just work. > > It won't be "a doddle" if, as you suggested, the defaults directory is > system immutable. For exactly this reason, that suggestion wasn't a > good one. I hope you agree. I don't see why. The only thing that should update the defaults directory is a system installation or 'make install'. Neither of which will be hampered in any way by the files or directory being immutable. We install new kernels without any problems. > > > They're going into /usr/share/examples/ppp soon. > > > [...] > > > Besides, with all this activity, it'd be nice to get out of /etc > > > altogether :-) > > > > Have another think about it. /etc/defaults does have its > merits but it isn't > > going to work well unless everyone buys into it. > > /etc/defaults is for default knobs that are turned on by > default and may > be overridden. Examples are knobs that are not turned on by > default. Can > you see why the ppp examples are not a candidate for "buy in"? I don't really agree, defaults is not for knobs that are turned on by default, for a start that assumes binary state which isn't the case. /etc/defaults will have the defaults for *all* knobs. That would include options that are disabled by default. Specifically with regard to ppp, having it work the same way would require changing ppp configuration code to parse a local file for overrides but there's no reason why all configuration couldn't adopt the same general principle of operation i.e. a defaults file that sets all configuration knobs into a default state and then a local override file for local changes. Paul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 09:41:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA17838 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:41:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Speed.FreeI.Net (speed.freei.net [209.162.132.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17820 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:41:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gus@Speed.FreeI.Net) Received: from localhost (gus@localhost) by Speed.FreeI.Net (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA39107 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:40:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gus@Speed.FreeI.Net) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:40:32 -0800 (PST) From: Gus R Bourg To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PAM and SQL? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I've been trying to find a way to get the system to authenticate using an SQL database. My first idea was to modify NIS to use an SQL serfer for authentication, but then it was brought to my attention that this had already been talked about using PAM. Does anyone know if PAM provides full authentication services? E.g. will programs like radiusd still function w/o modification? Do you guys think that PAM would be a good starting point? :) I'd love to hear new ideas on this. Thanks! Gus Bourg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 09:45:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA18452 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:45:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18440 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:45:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.9.2/8.9.1) id JAA11458; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:46:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk) From: Steve Kargl Message-Id: <199902111746.JAA11458@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Crippleware (was Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/) In-Reply-To: <199902111138.WAA31552@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from Bruce Evans at "Feb 11, 1999 10:38: 0 pm" To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:46:06 -0800 (PST) Cc: nate@mt.sri.com, wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu, axl@iafrica.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG, des@flood.ping.uio.no X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bruce Evans wrote: > >> > Where did the "-C" option for install(1) come from? bde pick up on > >> > somethings I did a long time ago. > >> > >> Uh, no, wrong. (Speaking as the creator of `install -C'.) > > > >In defense of Steven, he was the 'original' author of -C, whether or not > >you used his code or not. He pushed for this long before it was part of > >FreeBSD. > > AFAIR, I used Garrett's version of -C long before Steve pushed for > something quite different (-z). > If you check the cvs log files, it appears Bruce in fact used Garrett's work. If you search the hackers mailing list with "install(1) AND kargl". You'll find a large number of emails about new features to install circa Oct 95. I added several options, I called the now used "-C" option "-t". My method was inferior to Garrett's method. The participants in the emails exchanged in 95 were Bruce, Rod, Julian, Terry, Nate, Poul, and myself. Note: my mailing list search is not comprehensive , so Garrett may have participated. In the end, it doesn't matter who did what. I've two valuable lessons this weekend: (1) continue my anonymous hacking, and (2) never question the intentions of a committer particularly on a mailing list. -- Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 09:54:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19905 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:54:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (b133.mat.net [206.246.122.133] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19895 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:54:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00572 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:53:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:53:05 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ifq_maxlen on lo0 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My boot messages recently have included a warning about the lo0 interface not setting the ifq_maxlen. I'm not particularly knowledgeable about the network code, so forgive me if I stumble a bit, but I'd like to get rid of the warning. I know that the lo0 interface isn't expected to get backed up, since the users are in the same machine, so setting the ifq_maxlen isn't of earthshaking importance, but is there a reason for not setting this anyhow (I think in if_loop.c)? It's either set it, or disable the warning, and I'm not in favor, usually, of disabling warnings. If this is the right way to go, I'll look more into making the change ... is it correct? ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 11:01:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA29997 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:01:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from liquid.tpb.net (drum-n-bass.party-animals.com [194.134.94.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA29988 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:01:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from niels@bakker.net) Received: from localhost (niels@localhost) by liquid.tpb.net (8.9.2/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA28200 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:01:28 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:01:28 +0100 (CET) From: N X-Sender: niels@liquid.tpb.net To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Seeing NFS saturation 'loop' when installworld'ing to NFS / and /usr In-Reply-To: <36C2A1E3.4404804@cs.uni-sb.de> Message-ID: 9902111953570.28137-100000@liquid.tpb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On a related note, I've been unable to reproduce the `hanging' in 3.0-CURRENT (without Matt's patch)... -- Niels. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 11:12:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02106 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:12:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de (waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.4.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02100 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:12:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grossjoh@ramses.informatik.uni-dortmund.de) Received: from ramses.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (ramses.cs.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.20.180]) by waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP id UAA09480; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:11:05 +0100 (MET) Received: (grossjoh@localhost) by ramses.informatik.uni-dortmund.de id UAA22781; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:11:04 +0100 To: Jon Hamilton Cc: Richard Wackerbarth , John Fieber , jack , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. References: <19990210142934.6591A46B04@pobox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE Date: 11 Feb 1999 20:11:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: Jon Hamilton's message of "Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:29:34 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070074 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.74) Emacs/20.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jon Hamilton writes: > But then you're right back where you started. Since rc.conf isn't > supposed to be touched by the install/upgrade tools, it'll get out > of date (and will become a hinderance rather than a help) as > default settings change, and as settings are added/deleted. Can we make something which compares /etc/rc.conf and /etc/default/rc.conf and emits warnings if a variable is set in /etc/rc.conf which isn't in /etc/default/rc.conf? I realize that this is not as simple as extracting all variable names from both files, sorting them, and running diff. There are a few variable names which are variable, for instance the network interface settings. kai `a FreeBSD newbie but hopefully not stupid' -- I like _b_o_t_h kinds of music. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 11:17:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02619 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:17:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02592 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:17:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10B1a1-000DCp-00; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:15:17 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Steve Kargl cc: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans), nate@mt.sri.com, wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu, current@FreeBSD.ORG, des@flood.ping.uio.no Subject: Re: FreeBSD Crippleware (was Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:46:06 PST." <199902111746.JAA11458@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:15:16 +0200 Message-ID: <50766.918760516@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:46:06 PST, Steve Kargl wrote: > (2) never question the intentions of a committer particularly > on a mailing list. Hi Steve, I think it's healthy to question the intentions of commiters. However, I think it's important to clearly state your concerns. If you object, list your objections. Also, when your views come under criticism, try to see the point of view from which the criticism comes _before_ you start defending your views. I know from my own experience that I'm often so involved in trying to restate more clearly what I originally said that I miss valid criticisms. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 12:02:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09223 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:02:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles253.castles.com [208.214.165.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09217 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:02:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07124; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:55:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199902111955.LAA07124@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Jerry Bell cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adding a pnp device id In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:28:57 EST." <36C2F739.F4F4857D@reillyplating.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:55:10 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Where would I look to add a pnp id number for a modem that is not being > detected during the pnp device probe at boot? I have tried putting it > in the pnpdata file and sio.c, (remaking & reinstalling afterward), but > the modem still is not detected. The modem is detected by the bios and > displayed on the list after the post. > > I am running 4.0 current, built from last weekend (2/7/99). I have > tried this on several different pc's with different motherboards with > the same results. It needs to be in sio.c at the moment, but being a modem it should have one of the "compatibility" fallback IDs as well. You may need to explicitly enable it if your BIOS is not set for "non PNP OS". -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 12:07:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09729 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:07:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni-sb.de (uni-sb.de [134.96.252.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09707 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:07:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rock@wurzelausix.CS.Uni-SB.DE) Received: from cs.uni-sb.de (cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.252.31]) by uni-sb.de (8.9.3/1999020800) with ESMTP id VAA14483; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:07:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (quadratix.cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.222.2]) by cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.3/1999020800) with ESMTP id VAA01577; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:07:27 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.cs.uni-sb.de: Host quadratix.cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.222.2] claimed to be wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de Received: from vodix.aremorika (vodix [134.96.247.43]) by wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.1/wjp/19980821) with ESMTP id VAA01940; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:07:26 +0100 (CET) From: "D. Rock" Received: by vodix.aremorika; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:07:25 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:07:25 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199902112007.VAA05841@vodix.aremorika> To: bde@zeta.org.au, dillon@apollo.backplane.com Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, niels@bakker.net Subject: Re: Seeing NFS saturation 'loop' when installworld'ing to NFS / and /usr Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >As I writed some time before, I always get the wrong results if I generate > >the termcap.db in an NFSv3 mounted directory. It doesn't matter which machine > >is the NFS server (tried Solaris 7 and the NFS client machine itself). The > >generated file has *always* the wrong size (always the same: 1077760 Bytes, > >instead of 1245184 Bytes, which it should have). With NFSv2 the output is > >OK. > > 1077760 seems to be correct. The different sizes are caused by the db > library believing that statbuf.st_blksize actually gives the optimal > blocksize for I/O. For nfsv3, st_blksize is 512, and this gives a > smaller database, but for nfsv2 st_blksize seems to be determined by > the server. I get the following results after hacking the db library > to use a fixed blocksize: > > blocksize 8192: ufs db file size = nfs db file size = 1245184, and files same > blocksize 512: ufs db file size = nfs db file size = 1077760, but files differ > > The differences seem to be mostly for randomly sized bunches of \0's > appearing at different places in the files. > > cap_mkdb is incredibly slow (140 seconds on a P5/133 for an nfs output file). Ahh, this sounds reasonable. I should have noticed earlier by myself. On my home machine I recently installed another 1GB (actually 997MB) drive. In order to be able to make a release on this disk I created the filesystem with a 4096/512 block size. This saves approx. 50MB for the whole installation. With this block size, my termcap.db is only 765952 Bytes in size. It is interesting that a 4k block size generates a much smaller file than a block size of 512 Bytes... Does this have something to do that 4k is also the page size? NFSv3 doesn't seem to have a st_blksize field. Thus it is set to 512. For v2 it should be the same as for the corresponding local filesystem on the other end. The difference in the \0 Bytes is related by reading the source file: cap_mkdb uses the stdio functions to read in the source file. This again uses fstat() to obtain the optimal block size. Now more comfortable with NFSv3, I will give it another try. I hope my release builds will speed up a little. Daniel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 12:37:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13397 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:37:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bsd.kbfi.ee (bsd.kbfi.ee [193.40.150.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13370 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:37:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aader@bsd.kbfi.ee) Received: from localhost (aader@localhost) by bsd.kbfi.ee (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA23915 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:42:07 GMT (envelope-from aader@bsd.kbfi.ee) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:42:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Ants Aader To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: libc.so in bad format? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi I am running current from 8 february but cvsup from 10 february and make all install produced something weird to /usr/lib. The cc compiler doesn't work any more. make in /usr/src gives: cc -O -pipe -elf -Wall -Wno-unused -c /usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/crt1.c -o crt1.o crt1.o: File truncated {standard input}: Assembler messages: {standard input}:71: FATAL: Can't write crt1.o: File truncated *** Error code 1 Have I right that libc.so.3 and friends and relatives are not correct? Do can anybody loan that library in binary format? Or the libraries are somewhere in ftp sites. Some URL:-s? Ants Aader To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 13:11:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18173 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:11:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18146 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:11:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (keep.lan.Awfulhak.org [172.16.0.8]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA29967; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:56:33 GMT (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA04933; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:56:23 GMT (envelope-from brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199902112056.UAA04933@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: paul@originative.co.uk cc: axl@iafrica.com, brian@Awfulhak.org, tr49986@rcc.on.ca, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:51:56 GMT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:56:23 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > They're going into /usr/share/examples/ppp soon. > > > > [...] > > > > Besides, with all this activity, it'd be nice to get out of /etc > > > > altogether :-) > > > > > > Have another think about it. /etc/defaults does have its > > merits but it isn't > > > going to work well unless everyone buys into it. > > > > /etc/defaults is for default knobs that are turned on by > > default and may > > be overridden. Examples are knobs that are not turned on by > > default. Can > > you see why the ppp examples are not a candidate for "buy in"? > > I don't really agree, defaults is not for knobs that are turned on by > default, for a start that assumes binary state which isn't the case. > /etc/defaults will have the defaults for *all* knobs. That would include > options that are disabled by default. > > Specifically with regard to ppp, having it work the same way would require > changing ppp configuration code to parse a local file for overrides but > there's no reason why all configuration couldn't adopt the same general > principle of operation i.e. a defaults file that sets all configuration > knobs into a default state and then a local override file for local changes. I see no problem with the `default' section in ppp.conf. It allows the specification of defaults that can be overridden by individual profiles. ppp.*.sample are samples. They are purely there to give people a feel for what their configuration files might look like and to show them how to achieve things that require quite a few commands - such as playing server, doing multilink etc. > Paul. Besides, IMHO, /etc/defaults will either be abused by system administrators or will be a poor-mans copy of src/etc. I can't see the problems going away by using something like this. -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 13:46:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22559 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:46:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22544 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:46:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08967 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:46:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA56379; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:46:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:46:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199902112146.NAA56379@vashon.polstra.com> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PAM and SQL? In-Reply-To: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article , Gus R Bourg wrote: > Hello, > > I've been trying to find a way to get the system to authenticate using an > SQL database. My first idea was to modify NIS to use an SQL serfer for > authentication, but then it was brought to my attention that this had > already been talked about using PAM. > > Does anyone know if PAM provides full authentication services? E.g. will > programs like radiusd still function w/o modification? Do you guys think > that PAM would be a good starting point? :) I'd love to hear new ideas on > this. Yes, PAM should be a good solution for this. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." -- H. L. Mencken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 13:58:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24106 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:58:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (polaris.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24068; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:58:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jose@we.lc.ehu.es) Received: from we.lc.ehu.es (lxpx73.lx.ehu.es [158.227.99.73]) by polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA04894; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:58:23 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <36C3527E.FCC244AC@we.lc.ehu.es> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:58:22 +0100 From: "Jose M. Alcaide" Organization: Universidad del País Vasco - Dept. Electricidad y Electrónica X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: rc.local not executed because of bug in rc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG First, sorry for the cross-posting, but this problem affects both the -STABLE and -CURRENT branches. The rc.local script is called from rc as "$conf_dir/rc.local". However, the new rc.conf does not set the "conf_dir" variable anymore, therefore rc.local is not executed. -- JMA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- José Mª Alcaide | mailto:jose@we.lc.ehu.es Universidad del País Vasco | mailto:jmas@es.FreeBSD.ORG Dpto. de Electricidad y Electrónica | http://www.we.lc.ehu.es/~jose Facultad de Ciencias - Campus de Lejona | Tel.: +34-946012479 48940 Lejona (Vizcaya) - SPAIN | Fax: +34-944858139 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Go ahead... make my day." - H. Callahan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 14:04:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25006 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:04:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25001; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:04:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id OAA95300; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:04:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:04:05 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199902112204.OAA95300@apollo.backplane.com> To: "Jose M. Alcaide" Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rc.local not executed because of bug in rc References: <36C3527E.FCC244AC@we.lc.ehu.es> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : :First, sorry for the cross-posting, but this problem affects :both the -STABLE and -CURRENT branches. : :The rc.local script is called from rc as "$conf_dir/rc.local". :However, the new rc.conf does not set the "conf_dir" variable :anymore, therefore rc.local is not executed. : :-- JMA -current's /usr/src/etc/rc no longer use $conf_dir. It looks like -stable's does, though... I've fixed it. I don't understand how it got there, I only comitted the $conf_dir stuff to -current! -Matt Matthew Dillon :----------------------------------------------------------------------- :José Mª Alcaide | mailto:jose@we.lc.ehu.es :Universidad del País Vasco | mailto:jmas@es.FreeBSD.ORG :Dpto. de Electricidad y Electrónica | http://www.we.lc.ehu.es/~jose :Facultad de Ciencias - Campus de Lejona | Tel.: +34-946012479 :48940 Lejona (Vizcaya) - SPAIN | Fax: +34-944858139 :----------------------------------------------------------------------- : "Go ahead... make my day." - H. Callahan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 14:44:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00160 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:44:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00137 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:44:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from green@unixhelp.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA18005; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:43:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:43:12 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Feldman X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE cc: Jon Hamilton , Richard Wackerbarth , John Fieber , jack , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 11 Feb 1999 Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE wrote: > Jon Hamilton writes: > > > But then you're right back where you started. Since rc.conf isn't > > supposed to be touched by the install/upgrade tools, it'll get out > > of date (and will become a hinderance rather than a help) as > > default settings change, and as settings are added/deleted. > > Can we make something which compares /etc/rc.conf and > /etc/default/rc.conf and emits warnings if a variable is set in > /etc/rc.conf which isn't in /etc/default/rc.conf? > > I realize that this is not as simple as extracting all variable names > from both files, sorting them, and running diff. There are a few > variable names which are variable, for instance the network interface > settings. Actually, it's almost that easy. It may require a few "hints" at the beginning of the file, but I could make a shell script (not using sed/awk/whatnot) to do this if anyone would want it. > > kai `a FreeBSD newbie but hopefully not stupid' > -- > I like _b_o_t_h kinds of music. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > Brian Feldman _ __ ___ ___ ___ green@unixhelp.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ http://www.freebsd.org/ _ __ ___ ____ | _ \__ \ |) | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ ___ ____ _____ |___/___/___/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 15:28:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04796 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:28:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hotmail.com (f33.hotmail.com [207.82.250.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA04789 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:28:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lofujai@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 12002 invoked by uid 0); 3 Feb 1999 00:16:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19990203001632.12001.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 131.107.3.73 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 16:16:32 PST X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.73] From: "Nelson Ng" To: freebsd-question@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Support for Japanese locale in FreeBSD 3.0 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 16:16:32 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I'm trying to find the source file for the Japanese LC_COLLATE in FreeBSD3.0. I notice the LC_COLLATE for Japanese is just a symlink to the ISO Latin LC_COLLATE in FreeBSD3.0. If Japanese collation is not supported in 3.0, I would like to get the source file for Japanese LC_CTYPE and a copy of the LC_COLLATE for en_US as template, so I can create my own verison for Japanese LC_COLLATE. Thanks Nelson ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 15:47:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06706 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:47:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06692 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:47:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA06634; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:47:23 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id AAA11661; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:47:22 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:47:21 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Steve Kargl Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Crippleware (was Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/) Message-ID: <19990212004721.L96008@bitbox.follo.net> References: <199902111138.WAA31552@godzilla.zeta.org.au> <199902111746.JAA11458@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <199902111746.JAA11458@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>; from Steve Kargl on Thu, Feb 11, 1999 at 09:46:06AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Feb 11, 1999 at 09:46:06AM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: > (2) never question the intentions of a committer particularly > on a mailing list. Do NOT follow this rule. We should all be questioned. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 15:51:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07178 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:51:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sirius.ctr.columbia.edu (sirius.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07171 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:51:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu) Received: from startide.ctr.columbia.edu (wpaul@startide.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.52]) by sirius.ctr.columbia.edu (8.9.1/8.6.4.287) with ESMTP id SAA10261 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:51:16 -0500 (EST) From: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu (Bill Paul) Received: (wpaul@localhost) by startide.ctr.columbia.edu (8.9.1/8.6.4.788743) id SAA29185 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:51:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902112351.SAA29185@startide.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: 3c905B stops responding during ifconfig alias To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:51:15 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, tcobb@staff.circle.net had to walk into mine and say: [...] > During an ifconfig xl0 alias, the xl0 interface drops packets. > It does NOT generate errors (netstat -in). > In fact, on several occasions I've seen it go completely > unresponsive (not responding to arp requests) until kicked back > to life by outbound packets. [...] My apologies for not replying to you on this sooner; it took me a while to locate a machine with which I could do some testing (all the 3c905B hardware I have is in the form of embedded chipsets in Dell desktop machines, and they've been moving around on me a lot). > This does NOT happen on the: > xl0: <3Com 3c905 Fast Etherlink XL 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x00 int a irq 10 on I think I found the problem. Currently, xl_stop() and xl_init() both issue RX and TX resets. Seems logical doesn't it? I mean, the purpose of xl_init() is to put the NIC into a known good state, and the purpose of xl_stop() is to slap it in the face and make it shut up ASAP. The difference between the 3c905 and the 3c905B (well, the important difference in this case) is that the 3c905B's chipset has a built-in PHY, while the 3c905 requires an external one (3Com uses a DP83840A for the 3c905 boards, judging by the one sample 3c905 card I have). Apparently, issuing the RX and TX reset commands on the 3c905B causes it to also reset the PHY, which causes the PHY to restart its autonegotiation session with its link partner. It takes a few seconds for the autoneg session to finish, and during this time the 3c905B stops receiving packets. This doesn't happen on the 3c905 because issuing the RX and TX reset commands does not have any affect on the external PHY: the only way to reset the PHY is by writing to the PHY's basic mode control register via the MII management interface. I'm including a patch which should fix this problem. It just disables the code that does the reset in both xl_stop() and xl_init(). Please try this and let me know if it helps. To apply the patch, do the following: - Make sure you have the kernel source code installed under /usr/src. - Save this message to a file, i.e. /tmp/xl.patch - Become root. - Run the following commands: # cd /sys/pci # patch < /tmp/xl.patch - Compile a new kernel and boot it. This patch was generated using a version of if_xl.c from FreeBSD-current, but it should work on any version of the driver with only a couple of mild warnings. -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ============================================================================= "Mulder, toads just fell from the sky!" "I guess their parachutes didn't open." ============================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 17:16:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA20237 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:16:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from octopus.originative.co.uk (originat.demon.co.uk [158.152.220.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19838 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:13:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@originative.co.uk) From: paul@originative.co.uk Received: by octopus with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1R49BB2D>; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 01:11:37 -0000 Message-ID: To: brian@Awfulhak.org Cc: axl@iafrica.com, tr49986@rcc.on.ca, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 01:11:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Somers [mailto:brian@Awfulhak.org] > Sent: 11 February 1999 20:56 > To: paul@originative.co.uk > Cc: axl@iafrica.com; brian@Awfulhak.org; tr49986@rcc.on.ca; > current@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. > > I see no problem with the `default' section in ppp.conf. It allows > the specification of defaults that can be overridden by individual > profiles. > > ppp.*.sample are samples. They are purely there to give people a > feel for what their configuration files might look like and to show > them how to achieve things that require quite a few commands - such > as playing server, doing multilink etc. > > > Paul. > > Besides, IMHO, /etc/defaults will either be abused by system > administrators or will be a poor-mans copy of src/etc. I can't see > the problems going away by using something like this. I agree with the risk of /etc/defaults being abused, that's why I think the files should be immutable so that it's *VERY* clear to admins that they should not be touching those files. If they work their way around warning signs that huge then they really are on their own. Paul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 18:22:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28888 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:22:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freya.circle.net (freya.circle.net [209.95.95.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28798 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:21:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tcobb@staff.circle.net) From: tcobb@staff.circle.net Received: by freya.circle.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1PTHLBMQ>; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:20:55 -0500 Message-ID: To: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: 3c905B stops responding during ifconfig alias Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:20:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bill, Your patch worked perfectly. THANK YOU! By the way, I'd be happy to fedex a 3c905B to you for your use in testing these sorts of things if that would be helpful. We have a fairly large commitment to this card now (40+) and I'd do this happily to facilitate continuing performance enhancements or other improvements to it. Sincerely, -Troy Cobb Circle Net, Inc. http://www.circle.net > -----Original Message----- > From: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu [mailto:wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu] > My apologies for not replying to you on this sooner; it > took me a while > to locate a machine with which I could do some testing (all > the 3c905B > hardware I have is in the form of embedded chipsets in Dell desktop > machines, and they've been moving around on me a lot). > > > This does NOT happen on the: > > xl0: <3Com 3c905 Fast Etherlink XL 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x00 > int a irq 10 on > > I think I found the problem. Currently, xl_stop() and xl_init() both > issue RX and TX resets. Seems logical doesn't it? I mean, > the purpose > of xl_init() is to put the NIC into a known good state, and > the purpose > of xl_stop() is to slap it in the face and make it shut up ASAP. The > difference between the 3c905 and the 3c905B (well, the important > difference in this case) is that the 3c905B's chipset has a > built-in PHY, > while the 3c905 requires an external one (3Com uses a > DP83840A for the > 3c905 boards, judging by the one sample 3c905 card I have). > Apparently, > issuing the RX and TX reset commands on the 3c905B causes it to also > reset the PHY, which causes the PHY to restart its > autonegotiation session > with its link partner. It takes a few seconds for the > autoneg session to > finish, and during this time the 3c905B stops receiving packets. > > This doesn't happen on the 3c905 because issuing the RX and TX reset > commands does not have any affect on the external PHY: the only way > to reset the PHY is by writing to the PHY's basic mode > control register > via the MII management interface. > > I'm including a patch which should fix this problem. It > just disables > the code that does the reset in both xl_stop() and xl_init(). Please > try this and let me know if it helps. > > To apply the patch, do the following: > > - Make sure you have the kernel source code installed under > /usr/src. > - Save this message to a file, i.e. /tmp/xl.patch > - Become root. > - Run the following commands: > # cd /sys/pci > # patch < /tmp/xl.patch > - Compile a new kernel and boot it. > > This patch was generated using a version of if_xl.c from > FreeBSD-current, > but it should work on any version of the driver with only a > couple of > mild warnings. > > -Bill > > -- > ============================================================ > ================= > -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, > Master of Unix-Fu > Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for > Telecommunications Research > Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, > New York City > ============================================================ > ================= > "Mulder, toads just fell from the sky!" "I guess their > parachutes didn't open." > ============================================================ > ================= > > *** ../CVSWORK/sys_pci/if_xl.c Mon Feb 1 16:25:52 1999 > --- if_xl.c Thu Feb 11 18:34:39 1999 > *************** > *** 2363,2373 **** > --- 2363,2375 ---- > for (i = 0; i < 3; i++) > CSR_WRITE_2(sc, XL_W2_STATION_MASK_LO + (i * 2), 0); > > + #ifdef notdef > /* Reset TX and RX. */ > CSR_WRITE_2(sc, XL_COMMAND, XL_CMD_RX_RESET); > xl_wait(sc); > CSR_WRITE_2(sc, XL_COMMAND, XL_CMD_TX_RESET); > xl_wait(sc); > + #endif > > /* Init circular RX list. */ > if (xl_list_rx_init(sc) == ENOBUFS) { > *************** > *** 2715,2724 **** > --- 2717,2728 ---- > CSR_WRITE_2(sc, XL_COMMAND, XL_CMD_TX_DISABLE); > CSR_WRITE_2(sc, XL_COMMAND, XL_CMD_COAX_STOP); > DELAY(800); > + #ifdef notdef > CSR_WRITE_2(sc, XL_COMMAND, XL_CMD_RX_RESET); > xl_wait(sc); > CSR_WRITE_2(sc, XL_COMMAND, XL_CMD_TX_RESET); > xl_wait(sc); > + #endif > CSR_WRITE_2(sc, XL_COMMAND, XL_CMD_INTR_ACK|XL_STAT_INTLATCH); > > /* Stop the stats updater. */ > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Feb 11 21:49:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23584 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:49:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA23576 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:49:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA10889; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:49:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA57404; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:49:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:49:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199902120549.VAA57404@vashon.polstra.com> To: aader@bsd.kbfi.ee Subject: Re: libc.so in bad format? In-Reply-To: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article , Ants Aader wrote: > Hi > > I am running current from 8 february but cvsup from 10 february and make > all install produced something weird to /usr/lib. The cc compiler doesn't > work any more. make in /usr/src gives: > > cc -O -pipe -elf -Wall -Wno-unused -c > /usr/src/lib/csu/i386-elf/crt1.c -o crt1.o > crt1.o: File truncated > {standard input}: Assembler messages: > {standard input}:71: FATAL: Can't write crt1.o: File truncated It looks like maybe your filesystem is full. Make some space and try again. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." -- H. L. Mencken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Feb 12 01:52:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14961 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 01:52:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailin.hkstar.com (cygnus.hkstar.com [202.82.3.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA14956 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 01:52:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from c5666305@ursa.hkstar.com) Received: from b1.hkstar.com (b1.hkstar.com [202.82.0.87]) by mailin.hkstar.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA27769 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:51:45 +0800 (HKT) Received: (from c5666305@localhost) by b1.hkstar.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id RAA19076 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:51:53 +0800 (HKT) From: Chan Yiu Wah Message-Id: <199902120951.RAA19076@b1.hkstar.com> Subject: Suggestion on hardware ofr play with fxtv To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:51:50 +0800 (HKT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0b1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I had keep reading the news on fxtv for a couple of monthes and want to play with it. However, I don't know which hardware should I to buy in order to start the games. Can anyone suggest me what to do ? Thanks. Clarence To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Feb 12 02:06:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA15951 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:06:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA15946 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:06:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id TAA19966; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:04:25 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36C3FC81.4965F3C8@newsguy.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:03:45 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jose M. Alcaide" CC: thyerm@camtech.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, hosokawa@jp.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: How to power off an ATX power supply machine on shutdown ? References: <36C2ECB2.A170B00C@we.lc.ehu.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jose M. Alcaide" wrote: > > Matthew Thyer wrote: > > Anyway, how do I power off a machine on shutdown ? > > > > I have "apm" in the kernel and it probes as apm v 1.2 but when > > the "shutdown -p now" command is run, the power is not turned > > off and I have to hold down the power button for 4 seconds to > > turn it off. > > > > Hows it done ? > > > > Do I have to run "apmconf -e" (The owner hasn't tried this yet) > > Yes. There is a knob in /etc/rc.conf ("apm_enable") that forces > this at startup. It doesn't work in all cases, though. It sure doesn't work on _my_ machine. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org Well, as a computer geek, I have to believe in the binary universe. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Feb 12 05:01:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA06805 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 05:01:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cepheus.hkstar.com (cepheus.hkstar.com [202.82.3.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA06792 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 05:01:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from c5666305@ursa.hkstar.com) Received: from b1.hkstar.com (b1.hkstar.com [202.82.0.87]) by cepheus.hkstar.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA27537 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:01:35 +0800 (HKT) Received: (from c5666305@localhost) by b1.hkstar.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id VAA27414 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:01:45 +0800 (HKT) From: Chan Yiu Wah Message-Id: <199902121301.VAA27414@b1.hkstar.com> Subject: how to install so5 for freebsd-current To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:01:44 +0800 (HKT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0b1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I recently download so5 and encounter a problem when installing it. I was asked for the personal key from the product. Anyone know how to solve it. Thanks, Clarence To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Feb 12 05:18:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA08992 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 05:18:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua (ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua [212.42.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA08987 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 05:18:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Received: from vega. (async2-59.iptelecom.net.ua [212.42.68.190] (may be forged)) by ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05319; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:18:36 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Received: from altavista.net (big_brother [192.168.1.1]) by vega. (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA12985; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:18:32 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Message-ID: <36C429F4.9AF0D873@altavista.net> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:17:40 +0200 From: Maxim Sobolev Organization: Vega International Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chan Yiu Wah CC: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how to install so5 for freebsd-current References: <199902121301.VAA27414@b1.hkstar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Go to www.stardivision.com and proceed with registration.   Chan Yiu Wah wrote: > Hello, > > I recently download so5 and encounter a problem when installing it.  I was > asked for the personal key from the product.  Anyone know how to solve it. > Thanks, > > Clarence > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Feb 12 09:37:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA10871 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:37:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni-sb.de (uni-sb.de [134.96.252.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA10864 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:37:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netchild@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de) Received: from Vodix.CS.Uni-SB.de (maxtnt-001.rz.uni-sb.de [134.96.70.128]) by uni-sb.de (8.9.3/1999020800) with ESMTP id SAA19588; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:37:15 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: uni-sb.de: Host maxtnt-001.rz.uni-sb.de [134.96.70.128] claimed to be Vodix.CS.Uni-SB.de Received: from wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Vodix.CS.Uni-SB.de (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA00721; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:28:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from netchild@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de) Message-Id: <199902121728.SAA00721@Vodix.CS.Uni-SB.de> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:28:10 +0100 (CET) From: Alexander Leidinger Subject: Re: How to power off an ATX power supply machine on shutdown ? To: dcs@newsguy.com cc: jose@we.lc.ehu.es, thyerm@camtech.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, hosokawa@jp.FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <36C3FC81.4965F3C8@newsguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 12 Feb, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: >> > Do I have to run "apmconf -e" (The owner hasn't tried this yet) >> >> Yes. There is a knob in /etc/rc.conf ("apm_enable") that forces >> this at startup. > > It doesn't work in all cases, though. It sure doesn't work on _my_ > machine. Do you use the "Power up at