From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 1:12:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4677015041; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 01:12:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA15754; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:09:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: Erez Zadok , Matthew Dillon , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, fs@FreeBSD.ORG, Michael Hancock , David Greenman Subject: Re: HEADS UP Reviewers. VFS changes to be committed. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:25:34 -0000." Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:09:03 +0200 Message-ID: <15752.935914143@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , Alfred P erlstein writes: > > >On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> >> Uhm, have any of you actually ever looked at src/sys/kern/vnode_if.src ? > >I can't really tell if you are commenting on the diffs I provided or >if you are commmenting on the comments I have recieved, or both. Mostly the comments actually I'm overloaded at the moment, so I have not been able to find time to sit down and thing through this one, sorry... -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 3:25:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from nets5.rz.rwth-aachen.de (nets5.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED03514BCD for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 03:25:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stolz@Pool.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.240]) by nets5.rz.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1/6) with ESMTP id MAA01111 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:24:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from jennifer.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (stolz@jennifer.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.82]) by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1/3) with ESMTP id MAA11867 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:24:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from stolz@localhost) by jennifer.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1) id MAA21696 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:24:17 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:24:17 +0200 From: Volker Stolz To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch Message-ID: <19990829122417.A21619@jennifer.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Organization: Temporary exile in Madrid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I whacked mount and umount into shape for using an option "user" in /etc/fstab which allows normal users to mount/umount devices. Both programs have to be set-uid-root. I´d like that someone reviews the patches (and includes them :). The diffs are at http://www-i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/~stolz/mount.diff http://www-i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/~stolz/umount.diff. Discussion welcome! Regards, Volker (not subscribed to the list) -- Volker Stolz * stolz@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de * PGP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 3:41:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from arnold.neland.dk (mail.neland.dk [194.255.12.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4087014C40 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 03:40:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arnold.neland.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09562; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:40:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:40:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Leif Neland To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Doug , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Please review: rc file changes In-Reply-To: <57667.935757215@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > Hi folks, > > What follows is a diff that presents Doug's changes (which must have > required quite a bit of effort, thanks!) in a slightly different format > which I think the grumpies here might prefer. > > Specifically, case statements look more like what a lot of folks are > used to seeing, and conditionals that don't need to be case sensitive > have not been converted to case statements. > > I think the effort which Doug has put into this is great and would make > for a better rc. It's a pity that a few cosmetic issues generated so > much pooh-pooh'ing. :-( > It seems to me the changes are mostly cosmetic anyway, so naturally people complain about the cosmetics. I don't thing the [Yy][Ee][Ss] stuff is really nessecary. This is unix, and unix is case-sensitive. It should be obvious that the options is either YES or NO. Anyway, if it is so, I think readability (if that's important) could be made by adding two functions: isyes and isno, to be used as if isyes ${thisvariable} case $1 of [Yy][Ee][Ss]) exit 0 ;; *) exit 1 ;; esac Leif To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 7: 0:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9017214EA1; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 06:57:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA81667; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:48:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:48:24 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: Nik Clayton , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: cvs commit: doc/en/handbook/ports chapter.sgml] Message-ID: <19990829144824.A80972@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <37C1296C.82D5A24C@newsguy.com> <19990825142659.A10355@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <37C7F616.481430D3@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <37C7F616.481430D3@newsguy.com>; from Daniel C. Sobral on Sat, Aug 28, 1999 at 11:45:42PM +0900 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Aug 28, 1999 at 11:45:42PM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > You know how people can get sidetracked easily. :-) For that matter, > if chapter.sgml still has a log of why the version changed, then I > think it would be a good thing to insert the above comment in > param.h. I don't recall seeing any objections, though I can imagine > some people might think it's not appropriate for the source to refer > to an outside documentation such as the handbook. Given that: 1. The 'committer rules' document will apply to doc/ just as much as it applies to src/. 2. The FDP mailing list is @FreeBSD.org 3. After a big discussion recently, the FDP documentation will continue to be installed under /usr/share/doc/ (rather than /usr/local/share/doc, which is where third-party documentation is installed) I think it's safe to say that the source code should be able to refer to any documentation in the doc/ tree. If you don't beat me to it, I'll commit that comment. N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 9:23:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mbg.vsnl.net.in (mbg.vsnl.net.in [202.54.12.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD72815761 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 09:23:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jk3@bgl.vsnl.net.in) Received: from orthanc.koshy.org (PPP-191-170.bng.vsnl.net.in [203.197.191.170]) by mbg.vsnl.net.in (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA22320; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:58:53 +0500 (GMT+0500) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orthanc.koshy.org (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00408; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:03:41 GMT (envelope-from jk3@orthanc.koshy.org) Message-Id: <199908292203.WAA00408@orthanc.koshy.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Volker Stolz Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:24:17 +0200." <19990829122417.A21619@jennifer.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:03:40 +0000 From: JK3 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG vs> I whacked mount and umount into shape for using an option "user" in [snip] vs> http://www-i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/~stolz/mount.diff vs> http://www-i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/~stolz/umount.diff. vs> Discussion welcome! You can allow non-root users to mount and unmount devices if the sysctl variable "vfs.usermount" is set to "1". For example, here's what you need to do to allow floppies to be mounted: As `root': 1. # chmod 777 /dev/fd0 # give perms to access the device 2. # sysctl -w vfs.usermount=1 Now users can mount and umount the floppies: 3. $ mkdir ~/my-mount-point 4. $ mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 ~/my-mount-point 5. $ umount ~/my-mount-point A FAQ entry covering this point is being reviewed and should shortly be committed. Regards, Koshy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 11:16:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDDB4151B2 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:16:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (tc14-216-180-35-69.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.35.69] (may be forged)) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA02737; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:16:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37C978F8.30BA0E5E@airnet.net> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:16:24 -0500 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > > On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Kris Kirby wrote: > > Both. The problem is that you can't cram a signal moving at 10 Mbps > > through a radio interface designed for 256K, even if it is bandwidth > > limited to 256K. I'm hoping the 3C503 is ancient enough that I can slow > > it down by yanking it's 20.0000 MHz crystal oscillator and feeding it a > > lower speed signal. I'm going to walk them down to see just how far I > > can go. After all, 2 Mbps isn't bad, it just requires a little more > > work. > > What about ARCnet? I've never used it / don't know the technical specs. -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 12:18:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from bastian.attic.ch (bastian.attic.ch [194.235.45.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4102815884; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:18:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blapp@attic.ch) Received: from bastian.attic.ch (bastian.attic.ch [194.235.45.178]) by bastian.attic.ch (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id VAA21908; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:16:58 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:16:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Blapp To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: dillon@apollo.backplane.com, alfred@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: NFS unmounts while reboot ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Problem: -------- As I notized, a FreeBSD NFS-client does not unmount it's NFS-mounts during reboot. This can cause problems on the server if it's not BSD. At least Linux complains if there are still nfs-mounted filesystems on the server. It also would be a Good Thing (TM) if /var/db/mountdtab is properly handled. Umount(8) is fixed now for doing the rpc calls properly and the patch is reviewed by Alfred and billf. Description: ------------ One could just made a quick and dirty solution as Linux has, like one line in rc.shutdown: umount -Avt nfs The problem with this solution is that umount just hangs if one nfs server is not available. If umount does hang, reboot hangs too. There exists also 'umount -f' , but this does not do the rpc call to the server. Possible Solutions: ------------------ 1.) Add a option to umount to accept some max. delay. If the Server does not respond, we just do the next unmount. 2.) fork some prozess in background that does the rpc call. We don't wait till it is back. What do you propose and think about this issue ? Martin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 15:24:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from forty-two.egroups.net (adsl-63-193-211-127.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.193.211.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F4D15165; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:24:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@forty-two.egroups.net) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by forty-two.egroups.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) id PAA67556; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:22:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:22:24 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: Martin Blapp Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, dillon@apollo.backplane.com, alfred@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NFS unmounts while reboot ? Message-ID: <19990829152223.I20512@forty-two.egroups.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Martin Blapp on Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 09:16:57PM +0200 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 09:16:57PM +0200, Martin Blapp wrote: > > As I notized, a FreeBSD NFS-client does not unmount it's > NFS-mounts during reboot. This can cause problems on the > > One could just made a quick and dirty solution as Linux has, like one line > in rc.shutdown: > > umount -Avt nfs As you mentioned, this could hang 'reboot', which is _completely_ unacceptable. One of the other two solutions would be far superior. Probably a timeout on the umount. There must also be a way to skip this step entirely, since sometimes machines have to be rebooted by getting lucky with the timing of the reboot command while in a state of resource starvation (possibly through a runaway process, etc). Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Failing sardine factory cans employees! mailto:gsutter@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 15:28:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ikhala.tcimet.net (ikhala.tcimet.net [198.109.166.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B393F15165 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:28:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dervish@ikhala.tcimet.net) Received: (from dervish@localhost) by ikhala.tcimet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02180; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:57:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dervish) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:57:46 -0400 From: Natty Rebel To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Volker Stolz Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch Message-ID: <19990829185746.A2123@ikhala.tcimet.net> References: <19990829122417.A21619@jennifer.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> <199908292203.WAA00408@orthanc.koshy.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <199908292203.WAA00408@orthanc.koshy.org>; from JK3 on Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 10:03:40PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 2C CE A5 D7 FA 4D D5 FD 9A CC 2B 23 04 46 48 F8 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Quoting JK3 (jk3@bgl.vsnl.net.in): > > vs> I whacked mount and umount into shape for using an option "user" in > [snip] > vs> http://www-i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/~stolz/mount.diff > vs> http://www-i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/~stolz/umount.diff. > > vs> Discussion welcome! > > You can allow non-root users to mount and unmount devices if > the sysctl variable "vfs.usermount" is set to "1". > > For example, here's what you need to do to allow floppies to > be mounted: > > As `root': > 1. # chmod 777 /dev/fd0 # give perms to access the device > 2. # sysctl -w vfs.usermount=1 > > Now users can mount and umount the floppies: > 3. $ mkdir ~/my-mount-point > 4. $ mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 ~/my-mount-point > 5. $ umount ~/my-mount-point > > A FAQ entry covering this point is being reviewed and should shortly > be committed. This procedure can be automated by entering the following command in /etc/rc.sysctl sysctl -w vfs.usermount=1 > > Regards, > Koshy > > #:^) -- natty rebel harder than the rest ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 15:30:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from pawn.primelocation.net (pawn.primelocation.net [205.161.238.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515FC15165 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:30:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jedgar@fxp.org) Received: by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 48C95F818; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397D39B1C; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:30:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chris D. Faulhaber" X-Sender: jedgar@pawn.primelocation.net To: Natty Rebel Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Volker Stolz Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch In-Reply-To: <19990829185746.A2123@ikhala.tcimet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, Natty Rebel wrote: > Quoting JK3 (jk3@bgl.vsnl.net.in): > > > > vs> I whacked mount and umount into shape for using an option "user" in > > [snip] > > vs> http://www-i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/~stolz/mount.diff > > vs> http://www-i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/~stolz/umount.diff. > > > > vs> Discussion welcome! > > > > You can allow non-root users to mount and unmount devices if > > the sysctl variable "vfs.usermount" is set to "1". > > > > For example, here's what you need to do to allow floppies to > > be mounted: > > > > As `root': > > 1. # chmod 777 /dev/fd0 # give perms to access the device > > 2. # sysctl -w vfs.usermount=1 > > > > Now users can mount and umount the floppies: > > 3. $ mkdir ~/my-mount-point > > 4. $ mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 ~/my-mount-point > > 5. $ umount ~/my-mount-point > > > > A FAQ entry covering this point is being reviewed and should shortly > > be committed. > This procedure can be automated by entering the following command > in /etc/rc.sysctl > sysctl -w vfs.usermount=1 > Maybe it's just me, but I think you are confusing this with {Net|Open}BSD. /etc/rc.sysctl does not exist in FreeBSD. ----- Chris D. Faulhaber | All the true gurus I've met never System/Network Administrator, | claimed they were one, and always Reality Check Information, Inc. | pointed to someone better. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 15:36:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from norn.ca.eu.org (cr965240-b.abtsfd1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.19.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C002151A3 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:36:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cpiazza@norn.ca.eu.org) Received: by norn.ca.eu.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 789FD76B; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:36:13 -0700 From: Chris Piazza To: "Chris D. Faulhaber" Cc: Natty Rebel , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Volker Stolz Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch Message-ID: <19990829153613.A34749@norn.ca.eu.org> References: <19990829185746.A2123@ikhala.tcimet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 06:30:35PM -0400, Chris D. Faulhaber wrote: > On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, Natty Rebel wrote: > > > This procedure can be automated by entering the following command > > in /etc/rc.sysctl > > sysctl -w vfs.usermount=1 > > > > Maybe it's just me, but I think you are confusing this with > {Net|Open}BSD. /etc/rc.sysctl does not exist in FreeBSD. From /etc/rc: # set sysctl variables early as we can if [ -f /etc/rc.sysctl ]; then . /etc/rc.sysctl fi Mind you it doesn't look like it was merged into releng_3 -Chris -- cpiazza@home.net cpiazza@FreeBSD.org "It's better to be quotable than to be honest." --Tom Stoppard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 15:48:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from wit401310.student.utwente.nl (wit401310.student.utwente.nl [130.89.236.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63CB151A9 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:48:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dalroi@wit401310.student.utwente.nl) Received: from wit401310.student.utwente.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wit401310.student.utwente.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16DA51DE9; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:46:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:46:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Alban Hertroys Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch To: Chris Piazza Cc: "Chris D. Faulhaber" , Natty Rebel , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Volker Stolz In-Reply-To: <19990829153613.A34749@norn.ca.eu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Message-Id: <19990829224626.16DA51DE9@wit401310.student.utwente.nl> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 29 Aug, Chris Piazza wrote: > On Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 06:30:35PM -0400, Chris D. Faulhaber wrote: >> On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, Natty Rebel wrote: >> >> > This procedure can be automated by entering the following command >> > in /etc/rc.sysctl >> > sysctl -w vfs.usermount=1 I have seen this line a lot lately. It isn't in FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE, is it? My /usr/src/sbin/mount/mount.c says: /* * If the mount was successfully, and done by root, tell mountd the * good news. Pid checks are probably unnecessary, but don't hurt. */ if (rval == 0 && getuid() == 0 && (mountdfp = fopen(_PATH_MOUNTDPID, "r")) != NULL) { if (fscanf(mountdfp, "%d", &pid) == 1 && pid > 0 && kill(pid, SIGHUP) == -1 && errno != ESRCH) err(1, "signal mountd"); (void)fclose(mountdfp); } getuid() == 0 looks a lot like root-only to me... Or am I missing something? -- Alban Hertroys. http://wit401310.student.utwente.nl == If there is a here-after, then there are much more people dead than alive. Even that much more that the number of living people is insignificant in comparison to the dead ones. Thus it is safe to say that we don't exist. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 15:48:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from pawn.primelocation.net (pawn.primelocation.net [205.161.238.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6276115469 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:48:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jedgar@fxp.org) Received: by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 5EBC2F818; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FAFC9B1C; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:48:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chris D. Faulhaber" X-Sender: jedgar@pawn.primelocation.net To: Chris Piazza Cc: Natty Rebel , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Volker Stolz Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch In-Reply-To: <19990829153613.A34749@norn.ca.eu.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, Chris Piazza wrote: > On Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 06:30:35PM -0400, Chris D. Faulhaber wrote: > > On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, Natty Rebel wrote: > > > > > This procedure can be automated by entering the following command > > > in /etc/rc.sysctl > > > sysctl -w vfs.usermount=1 > > > > > > > Maybe it's just me, but I think you are confusing this with > > {Net|Open}BSD. /etc/rc.sysctl does not exist in FreeBSD. > > >From /etc/rc: > > # set sysctl variables early as we can > if [ -f /etc/rc.sysctl ]; then > . /etc/rc.sysctl > fi > > Mind you it doesn't look like it was merged into releng_3 > Yep, not in -stable ... ... wow, guess I've been blindly going through mergemaster lately with -current... ----- Chris D. Faulhaber | All the true gurus I've met never System/Network Administrator, | claimed they were one, and always Reality Check Information, Inc. | pointed to someone better. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 15:53:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 9217D1507B; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8547E1CD8CD; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:53:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:53:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Chris Piazza Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch In-Reply-To: <19990829153613.A34749@norn.ca.eu.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, Chris Piazza wrote: > # set sysctl variables early as we can > if [ -f /etc/rc.sysctl ]; then > . /etc/rc.sysctl > fi > > Mind you it doesn't look like it was merged into releng_3 Could someone do this before 3.3? It's useful functionality. Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 16: 7:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 9E15314A2D; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 907F61CD8C7; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:07:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:07:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Alban Hertroys Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch In-Reply-To: <19990829224626.16DA51DE9@wit401310.student.utwente.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Alban Hertroys wrote: > I have seen this line a lot lately. It isn't in FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE, is > it? My /usr/src/sbin/mount/mount.c says: > > /* > * If the mount was successfully, and done by root, tell mountd the > * good news. Pid checks are probably unnecessary, but don't hurt. > */ > if (rval == 0 && getuid() == 0 && > (mountdfp = fopen(_PATH_MOUNTDPID, "r")) != NULL) { > if (fscanf(mountdfp, "%d", &pid) == 1 && > pid > 0 && kill(pid, SIGHUP) == -1 && errno != ESRCH) > err(1, "signal mountd"); > (void)fclose(mountdfp); > } > > getuid() == 0 looks a lot like root-only to me... Or am I missing > something? You are. This code says "if we're root, give mountd(8) a SIGHUP". According to the mountd(8) manpage, "After changing the exports file, a hangup signal should be sent to the mountd daemon to get it to reload the export information." > == > If there is a here-after, > then there are much more people dead than alive. I dispute this :-) The population of the world has been growing exponentially for some centuries at least. One property of exponential curves (f(x) = a^x) is that the area beneath the curve up to any given point is equal to the value of the function at that point (up to a constant scaling factor ln a). Thus, the number of people currently alive is approximately equal to those who have ever lived (and died). Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 16:43:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from atlrel2.hp.com (atlrel2.hp.com [156.153.255.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D868B14C3B for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:43:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darrylo@sr.hp.com) Received: from postal.sr.hp.com (root@postal.sr.hp.com [15.4.46.173]) by atlrel2.hp.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id TAA12737 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mina.sr.hp.com (root@mina.sr.hp.com [15.4.42.247]) by postal.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id QAA19187 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (darrylo@mina.sr.hp.com [15.4.42.247]) by mina.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id QAA07935 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908292342.QAA07935@mina.sr.hp.com> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD??? Intel? - NOT Reply-To: Darryl Okahata In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:48:02 CDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:42:19 -0700 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jay West" wrote: > The merced executes PA-RISC instructions natively. It also executes x86 > instructions natively. If the chip you get doesn't do one or the other, it's > because that section has been lobotomized for marketing/contract reasons due > to where you get the chip from. The section is still on the silicon > though... As a side comment, note that there is more than one "Merced Linux port" (it'll be interesting to see how they merge the efforts, if at all). There's the VA/Intel port, and there's a lesser-known one from HP Labs (it's been demo'd at the HP booth at recent Linux trade shows). From the secondhand info I've heard, it may be further ahead than the VA/Intel one. Back in February, I did see a very early version boot on some laptop running a Merced simulator. At the time, it wasn't very functional, being able to do ps, ls, and not much else, but I was surprised at how fast the simulator ran on the laptop (I think the boot sequence took a couple of minutes, but I didn't do any actual timings). However, that was six months ago, and quite a bit has supposedly been done since then. I've heard that it's "almost usable" (whatever this means). -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 16:57:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from alcanet.com.au (border.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE70E151DC for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:57:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <40353>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:53:24 +1000 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:54:30 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: Should cam_imask be part of bio_imask ? To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: <99Aug30.095324est.40353@border.alcanet.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [General discussion of VM buffer corruption deleted] Matthew Dillon wrote: > Thor suggested adding the CACHETHEN bit back in the adaptec controller. To save anyone else the effort, this change only affects Adaptecs that identify as "aic7890/91" or "aic7896/97". Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 17:22: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ikhala.tcimet.net (ikhala.tcimet.net [198.109.166.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D22115895 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:21:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dervish@ikhala.tcimet.net) Received: (from dervish@localhost) by ikhala.tcimet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02498; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:51:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dervish) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:51:29 -0400 From: Natty Rebel To: "Chris D. Faulhaber" Cc: Chris Piazza , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Volker Stolz Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch Message-ID: <19990829205129.A2476@ikhala.tcimet.net> References: <19990829153613.A34749@norn.ca.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Chris D. Faulhaber on Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 06:48:29PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 2C CE A5 D7 FA 4D D5 FD 9A CC 2B 23 04 46 48 F8 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Quoting Chris D. Faulhaber (jedgar@fxp.org): > On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, Chris Piazza wrote: > > > On Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 06:30:35PM -0400, Chris D. Faulhaber wrote: > > > On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, Natty Rebel wrote: > > > > > > > This procedure can be automated by entering the following command > > > > in /etc/rc.sysctl > > > > sysctl -w vfs.usermount=1 > > > > > > > > > > Maybe it's just me, but I think you are confusing this with > > > {Net|Open}BSD. /etc/rc.sysctl does not exist in FreeBSD. > > > > >From /etc/rc: > > > > # set sysctl variables early as we can > > if [ -f /etc/rc.sysctl ]; then > > . /etc/rc.sysctl > > fi > > > > Mind you it doesn't look like it was merged into releng_3 > > > > Yep, not in -stable ... > ... wow, guess I've been blindly going through mergemaster lately with > -current... Yeah, I just caught this myself after my -current build yesterday ... > > ----- > Chris D. Faulhaber | All the true gurus I've met never > System/Network Administrator, | claimed they were one, and always > Reality Check Information, Inc. | pointed to someone better. > > #:^) -- natty rebel harder than the rest ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 19:53:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E704E14C1F for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:53:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id TAA08362; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:50:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:50:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908300250.TAA08362@apollo.backplane.com> To: Peter Jeremy Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Should cam_imask be part of bio_imask ? References: <99Aug30.095324est.40353@border.alcanet.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :[General discussion of VM buffer corruption deleted] : :Matthew Dillon wrote: :> Thor suggested adding the CACHETHEN bit back in the adaptec controller. : :To save anyone else the effort, this change only affects Adaptecs :that identify as "aic7890/91" or "aic7896/97". : :Peter Oh my, did I really say "Thor" ? Sorry about that Tor! -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 20: 0: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from alcanet.com.au (border.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2322114C83 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:59:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <40324>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:58:24 +1000 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:59:39 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: Should cam_imask be part of bio_imask ? In-reply-to: <199908300250.TAA08362@apollo.backplane.com> To: dillon@apollo.backplane.com Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: <99Aug30.125824est.40324@border.alcanet.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Dillon wrote: > Oh my, did I really say "Thor" ? Sorry about that Tor! Actually, no, I managed to insert that typo into Matt's quote. Sorry to both Tor and Matt. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 20:49:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FC81507B; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:49:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from [204.68.178.39] (helo=softweyr.com) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11LIRI-0006Kd-00; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:49:01 -0600 Message-ID: <37C9FF2A.E512AB60@softweyr.com> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:48:58 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: mkc@Graphics.Cornell.EDU, kdrobnac@mission.mvnc.edu, rivers@dignus.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD??? References: <199908272225.AAA03716@yedi.iaf.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wilko Bulte wrote: > > As Wes Peters wrote ... > > > > If you think Microsoft doesn't have 64-bit NT in development for Merced, > > you're being awfully gullible. Compaq was insisting that Alpha remained > > the development platform for NT64 while dropping support for NT32 on the > > Alpha last week, while Microsoft was griping about the decision and > > talking about dropping Alpha as the NT64 development platform. They can't > > yet, of course, because they don't HAVE any Merced chips, but the writing > > is on the wall... > > The trade rags here insist it has already happened: M$ stopped 64 bit Alpha > NT. Beats me if it is true or not. It doesn't seem likely, since they don't HAVE and Merced systems yet. Perhaps it has been "administratively cancelled" but the Alpha boxes won't "fall over" until the Merced boxes arrive. Or perhaps until NT actually *runs* on them. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 20:56: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454231529E; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:55:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from [204.68.178.39] (helo=softweyr.com) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11LIXu-0007fl-00; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:55:50 -0600 Message-ID: <37CA00C4.95ACE5D7@softweyr.com> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:55:48 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Robey Cc: Thomas David Rivers , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, kdrobnac@mission.mvnc.edu Subject: Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD??? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chuck Robey wrote: > > When I was in the computer architecture classes, I did a lot of > modeling of various kinds of things that could be done to speed up a > processor (the least of which is cache memory, but it stands as a good > "for instance" thing here). One thing that impressed me, when doing > modelling of multiple different things like speculative execution and > the IA64's rumored ability to speculatively execute several different > paths of loop, was the extreme difficulty to adequately model how all > the different parts work (and mis-work) together. You end up having to > really inspect many megabytes of output in detail, just to figure out if > one feature worked right in one particular scenario, and I was only > doing a relatively basic piece of modelling. > > Trying to model the IA64 would have been a Manhattan Project sized task. But they've had PLENTY of time. HP had the 64-bit architecture defined and a simulator underway in 1994, when Intel joined the project. The Merced, which is a specific chip model with the 64-bit architecture and x86 emulator, was originally supposed to ship in late 1997. > Honestly, I am wondering about Intel and HP's ability to really produce > a reliable chip that had as many difficult-to-model features as the IA64 > is supposed to have. I think that's the real reason that it's not > actually being sampled. Your point on the 860 is very correct, but if > they *could* have brought the IA64 out today with the features that they > have been promising (at the speed they promised) it would have made the > PowerPC and the Alpha look ill Uh, no, HP has already admitted that when Merced ships it will be slower than current-generation PA-RISC CPUs. Which means it will also be slower than Alpha, PowerPC, and UltraSPARC processors you can buy now. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 21:13:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-3.enteract.com (pop3-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C6BF514EB8 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:13:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Received: (qmail 65688 invoked from network); 30 Aug 1999 04:13:06 -0000 Received: from shell-1.enteract.com (dscheidt@207.229.143.40) by pop3-3.enteract.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 1999 04:13:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:13:06 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt To: Wes Peters Cc: Chuck Robey , Thomas David Rivers , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, kdrobnac@mission.mvnc.edu Subject: Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD??? In-Reply-To: <37CA00C4.95ACE5D7@softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, Wes Peters wrote: > > Uh, no, HP has already admitted that when Merced ships it will be slower > than current-generation PA-RISC CPUs. Which means it will also be slower > than Alpha, PowerPC, and UltraSPARC processors you can buy now. > Which is just going to make *everyone* jump ship for an expensive, slow chip, with unproven compilers. Yeah! David Scheidt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 21:45:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A82D150BD for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:45:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01041; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:45:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA00908; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:44:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908300444.WAA00908@harmony.village.org> To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Subject: Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent? Cc: Kris Kirby , "Daniel O'Connor" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:45:44 EDT." References: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:44:44 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message "Matthew N. Dodd" writes: : On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Kris Kirby wrote: : > Both. The problem is that you can't cram a signal moving at 10 Mbps : > through a radio interface designed for 256K, even if it is bandwidth : > limited to 256K. I'm hoping the 3C503 is ancient enough that I can slow : > it down by yanking it's 20.0000 MHz crystal oscillator and feeding it a : > lower speed signal. I'm going to walk them down to see just how far I : > can go. After all, 2 Mbps isn't bad, it just requires a little more : > work. : : What about ARCnet? I have some frequecy hopping radio modems that use the 82593 to get 256kbps or so... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 21:49:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB96E150BD for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:49:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01051; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:47:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA00931; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:46:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908300446.WAA00931@harmony.village.org> To: "Chris D. Faulhaber" Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch Cc: Natty Rebel , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Volker Stolz In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:30:35 EDT." References: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:46:18 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message "Chris D. Faulhaber" writes: : Maybe it's just me, but I think you are confusing this with : {Net|Open}BSD. /etc/rc.sysctl does not exist in FreeBSD. rc.sysctl does too. I added it. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 21:50:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30BC015207; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:50:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01060; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:47:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA00954; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:47:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908300447.WAA00954@harmony.village.org> To: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch Cc: Chris Piazza , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:53:09 PDT." References: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:47:05 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Kris Kennaway writes: : Could someone do this before 3.3? It's useful functionality. As the committer of this feature, I've just sent mail to jkh asking for permission. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 21:51:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD6915141 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:51:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01068; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:50:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA00984; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:49:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908300449.WAA00984@harmony.village.org> Subject: Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent? Cc: "Matthew N. Dodd" , Kris Kirby , "Daniel O'Connor" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:44:44 MDT." Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:49:37 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -------- : I have some frequecy hopping radio modems that use the 82593 to get : 256kbps or so... Speaking of which, I'll give two free to someone that commits to writing a driver for these beasts. It would be an excellent chance for reverse engineering skills to be honed. :-) I would prefer someone local to boulder/denver Colorado, but I can't be too picky. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 21:57:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from poboxer.pobox.com (ferg5200-2-83.cpinternet.com [208.149.16.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B809A15124 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:57:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alk@poboxer.pobox.com) Received: (from alk@localhost) by poboxer.pobox.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id XAA60680; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:56:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from alk) From: Anthony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:56:38 -0500 (CDT) X-Face: \h9Jg:Cuivl4S*UP-)gO.6O=T]]@ncM*tn4zG);)lk#4|lqEx=*talx?.Gk,dMQU2)ptPC17cpBzm(l'M|H8BUF1&]dDCxZ.c~Wy6-j,^V1E(NtX$FpkkdnJixsJHE95JlhO 5\M3jh'YiO7KPCn0~W`Ro44_TB@&JuuqRqgPL'0/{):7rU-%.*@/>q?1&Ed Reply-To: alk@pobox.com To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14282.3422.898997.412714@avalon.east> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > vs> I whacked mount and umount into shape for using an option "user" in > [snip] > vs> http://www-i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/~stolz/mount.diff > vs> http://www-i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/~stolz/umount.diff. > You can allow non-root users to mount and unmount devices if > the sysctl variable "vfs.usermount" is set to "1". The Linux 'user' option has the distinct advantage that it allows the administrator to specify which filesystems can be mounted by users. IIRC, Linux also permits the administrator to discriminate two variants: One in which an arbitrary user may mount and an (independently) arbitrary user may subsequently unmount, and a second in which an arbitrary user may mount, and only that same user (or root) may subsequently unmount, a specific given filesystem. It's good to have this kind of control. vfs.usermount does not directly support this control. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 22: 5:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7AC14FAF for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:05:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA19420; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:02:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Warner Losh Cc: Kris Kirby , "Daniel O'Connor" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent? In-Reply-To: <199908300449.WAA00984@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, Warner Losh wrote: > : I have some frequecy hopping radio modems that use the 82593 to get > : 256kbps or so... > > Speaking of which, I'll give two free to someone that commits to > writing a driver for these beasts. It would be an excellent chance > for reverse engineering skills to be honed. :-) I would prefer > someone local to boulder/denver Colorado, but I can't be too picky. Arcnet drivers? Already written by some chap from one of the former Soviet block countries. Actually he ported the NetBSD Amiga code. I've been meaning to take a look at it and do something with it but I've not had the time to investigate the NetBSD ARP code changes that it would require. Of course, I'm assuming that your boards are compatible with the standard ARCnet programming interface... -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 22: 5:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from pawn.primelocation.net (pawn.primelocation.net [205.161.238.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328DD14CB6 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:05:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jedgar@fxp.org) Received: by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 4F0CFF818; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433959B1C; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:03:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chris D. Faulhaber" X-Sender: jedgar@pawn.primelocation.net To: Warner Losh Cc: Natty Rebel , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Volker Stolz Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch In-Reply-To: <199908300446.WAA00931@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, Warner Losh wrote: > In message "Chris D. Faulhaber" writes: > : Maybe it's just me, but I think you are confusing this with > : {Net|Open}BSD. /etc/rc.sysctl does not exist in FreeBSD. > > rc.sysctl does too. I added it. > Excellent. That will be a nice feature to have in 3.x. ----- Chris D. Faulhaber | All the true gurus I've met never System/Network Administrator, | claimed they were one, and always Reality Check Information, Inc. | pointed to someone better. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 22: 5:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from tsunami.waterspout.com (tsunami.waterspout.com [208.13.56.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9FD715231 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:05:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from csg@tsunami.waterspout.com) Received: (from csg@localhost) by tsunami.waterspout.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id AAA29591; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:03:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from csg) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:03:24 -0500 From: "C. Stephen Gunn" To: Warner Losh Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, ajk@physics.purdue.edu Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch Message-ID: <19990830000324.A29525@tsunami.waterspout.com> References: <199908300447.WAA00954@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199908300447.WAA00954@harmony.village.org>; from Warner Losh on Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 10:47:05PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 10:47:05PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > As the committer of this feature, I've just sent mail to jkh asking > for permission. How does this change relate to bin/11031? The above patches weren't written by me, but by a co-worker of mine. It allows for a termcap-like configuration file /etc/mountcap that allows you to specify a mountpoint/device, options, and filesystem formats to try. But best of all it allows you to check the ownership of a file or device to see if the user is logged in on console. For workstations that need user mounts you really don't want non-console users to futz with the removable media devices. Just wanted to remind ya all it was there. - Steve -- WaterSpout Communications, Inc. csg@waterspout.com 427 North 6th Street http://www.waterspout.com/ Lafayette, IN 47901 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 22: 7:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6729414D53 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:07:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01131; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:07:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA01126; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:06:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908300506.XAA01126@harmony.village.org> To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Subject: Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent? Cc: Kris Kirby , "Daniel O'Connor" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:02:27 EDT." References: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:06:53 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message "Matthew N. Dodd" writes: : Of course, I'm assuming that your boards are compatible with the ARCnet : standard programming interface... Actually, no. They are Ethernet drivers with an underdocumented interface. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 22: 8:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB1E15171 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:08:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01141; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:08:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA01150; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:07:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908300507.XAA01150@harmony.village.org> To: "C. Stephen Gunn" Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, ajk@physics.purdue.edu In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:03:24 CDT." <19990830000324.A29525@tsunami.waterspout.com> References: <19990830000324.A29525@tsunami.waterspout.com> <199908300447.WAA00954@harmony.village.org> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:07:24 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <19990830000324.A29525@tsunami.waterspout.com> "C. Stephen Gunn" writes: : The above patches weren't written by me, but by a co-worker of : mine. It allows for a termcap-like configuration file /etc/mountcap : that allows you to specify a mountpoint/device, options, and filesystem : formats to try. Doesn't. I'm just wanting to merge /etc/rc.sysctl back. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 22:22: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51BEF151AC for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:22:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11LJsW-000IxL-00; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:21:12 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Leif Neland Cc: Doug , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Please review: rc file changes In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:40:20 +0200." Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:21:12 +0200 Message-ID: <72870.935990472@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:40:20 +0200, Leif Neland wrote: > if isyes ${thisvariable} > > case $1 of > [Yy][Ee][Ss]) > exit 0 > ;; > *) > exit 1 > ;; > esac I hope you mean "in" instead of "of" and "return" instead of "exit". :-) I like this. One of the reasons I like it so much is because it will make Doug's changes more friendly towards a future migration to a new case-insensitive test(1) comparison (or even better, new case-handling sh(1) variable expansions) easier. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 22:22:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from iclub.nsu.ru (iclub.nsu.ru [193.124.222.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CCD415165 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:22:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fjoe@iclub.nsu.ru) Received: from localhost (fjoe@localhost) by iclub.nsu.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19638; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:17:51 +0700 (NSS) (envelope-from fjoe@iclub.nsu.ru) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:17:51 +0700 (NSS) From: Max Khon To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Cc: Warner Losh , Kris Kirby , "Daniel O'Connor" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, there! On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > > : I have some frequecy hopping radio modems that use the 82593 to get > > : 256kbps or so... > > > > Speaking of which, I'll give two free to someone that commits to > > writing a driver for these beasts. It would be an excellent chance > > for reverse engineering skills to be honed. :-) I would prefer > > someone local to boulder/denver Colorado, but I can't be too picky. > > Arcnet drivers? Already written by some chap from one of the former > Soviet block countries. Actually he ported the NetBSD Amiga code. I've > been meaning to take a look at it and do something with it but I've not > had the time to investigate the NetBSD ARP code changes that it would > require. it was me. arcnet driver is available at http://iclub.nsu.ru/~fjoe unfortunately i do not have time to deal with it now. hope i will have some in near future. btw i'd be happy if someone took a look at those ARP code changes. With those changes committed it would be easier to merge this driver (at least to -current) as our current implementation is ethernet-specific. just look at token ring hacks in if_ether.c -- i do not want to add more hacks for arcnet. /fjoe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 29 23:53:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from kremvax.demos.su (kremvax.demos.su [194.87.0.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD30B15268 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:53:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sinbin.demos.su!bag@kremvax.demos.su) Received: by kremvax.demos.su (8.6.13/D) from 0@sinbin.demos.su [194.87.5.31] for with ESMTP id KAA05037; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:52:55 +0400 Received: by sinbin.demos.su id KAA80320; (8.6.12/D) Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:52:18 +0400 From: bag@sinbin.demos.su (Alex G. Bulushev) Message-Id: <199908300652.KAA80320@sinbin.demos.su> Subject: 3.2-s nfsv3/udp server daily panic To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:52:18 +0400 (MSD) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG we use hightly loaded nfsv3/udp server with 5 fbsd nfs client all with 3.2-stable server panics one/two time a day with: panic: ufs_dirbad: bad dir then reboot ... another panic: panic: vm_fault: fault on nofault entry, addr: ce4c9000 in this case server write: syncing disks... and hangs ... after seting vfs.ffs.doreallocblks=3D0 server works without panic about 8 days, and then reboot with: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode ---------------- then 3 examples of regular panics, two at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_lookup.c:238 : ep =3D (struct direct *)((char *)bp->b_data + entryoffsetinblock); and one at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_lookup.c:566 : if ((mp->mnt_stat.f_flags & MNT_RDONLY) =3D=3D 0) panic("ufs_dirbad: bad dir"); ------------------------------------------------------------------------- this is backtrace of panic from debuger (vfs.ffs.doreallocblks=3D1) when server hangs while sincing disks ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # gdb -k kernel.28 vmcore.28 GNU gdb 4.18 Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain condition= s. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "i386-unknown-freebsd"... IdlePTD 2744320 initial pcb at 227b10 panicstr: from debugger panic messages: --- panic: vm_fault: fault on nofault entry, addr: ce4c9000 syncing disks... panic: from debugger (da1:ahc1:0:1:0): SYNCHRONIZE CACHE. CDB: 35 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (da1:ahc1:0:1:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:20,0 (da1:ahc1:0:1:0): Invalid command operation code dumping to dev 20401, offset 1691306 dump 512 511 510 509 508 507 506 505 504 503 502 501 500 499 498 497 496 49= 5 494 493 492 491 490 489 488 487 486 485 484 483 482 481 480 479 478 477 4= 76 475 474 473 472 471 470 469 468 467 466 465 464 463 462 461 460 459 458 = 457 456 455 454 453 452 451 4= 50 449 448 447 446 445 444 443 442 441 440 439 438 437 436 435 434 433 432 = 431 430 429 428 427 426 425 424 423 422 421 420 419 418 417 416 415 414 413= 412 411 410 409 408 407 406 405 404 403 402 401 400 399 398 397 396 395 39= 4 393 392 391 390 389 388 387= 386 385 384 383 382 381 380 379 378 377 376 375 374 373 372 371 370 369 36= 8 367 366 365 364 363 362 361 360 359 358 357 356 355 354 353 352 351 350 3= 49 348 347 346 345 344 343 342 341 340 339 338 337 336 335 334 333 332 331 = 330 329 328 327 326 325 324 3= 23 322 321 320 319 318 317 316 315 314 313 312 311 310 309 308 307 306 305 = 304 303 302 301 300 299 298 297 296 295 294 293 292 291 290 289 288 287 286= 285 284 283 282 281 280 279 278 277 276 275 274 273 272 271 270 269 268 26= 7 266 265 264 263 262 261 260= 259 258 257 256 255 254 253 252 251 250 249 248 247 246 245 244 243 242 24= 1 240 239 238 237 236 235 234 233 232 231 230 229 228 227 226 225 224 223 2= 22 221 220 219 218 217 216 215 214 213 212 211 210 209 208 207 206 205 204 = 203 202 201 200 199 198 197 1= 96 195 194 193 192 191 190 189 188 187 186 185 184 183 182 181 180 179 178 = 177 176 175 174 173 172 171 170 169 168 167 166 165 164 163 162 161 160 159= 158 157 156 155 154 153 152 151 150 149 148 147 146 145 144 143 142 141 14= 0 139 138 137 136 135 134 133= 132 131 130 129 128 127 126 125 124 123 122 121 120 119 118 117 116 115 11= 4 113 112 111 110 109 108 107 106 105 104 103 102 101 100 99 98 97 96 95 94= 93 92 91 90 89 88 87 86 85 84 83 82 81 80 79 78 77 76 75 74 73 72 71 70 69= 68 67 66 65 64 63 62 61 60 5= 9 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 3= 4 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9= 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 --- #0 boot (howto=3D260) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:285 285 dumppcb.pcb_cr3 =3D rcr3(); (kgdb) back #0 boot (howto=3D260) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:285 #1 0xc013cf39 in panic (fmt=3D0xc01fb0f8 "from debugger") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:446 #2 0xc01221dd in db_panic (addr=3D-1071763569, have_addr=3D0, count=3D-1, modif=3D0xd302f76c "") at ../../ddb/db_command.c:432 #3 0xc012217d in db_command (last_cmdp=3D0xc0213aa4, cmd_table=3D0xc021390= 4, aux_cmd_tablep=3D0xc0225818) at ../../ddb/db_command.c:332 #4 0xc0122242 in db_command_loop () at ../../ddb/db_command.c:454 #5 0xc01246bb in db_trap (type=3D3, code=3D0) at ../../ddb/db_trap.c:71 #6 0xc01e2d6a in kdb_trap (type=3D3, code=3D0, regs=3D0xd302f85c) at ../../i386/i386/db_interface.c:157 #7 0xc01ebd14 in trap (frame=3D{tf_es =3D 16, tf_ds =3D 16, tf_edi =3D -10= 71815412, tf_esi =3D 134, tf_ebp =3D -754780000, tf_isp =3D -754780028, tf_ebx = =3D 0, tf_edx =3D -1071600628, tf_ecx =3D -1072984320, tf_eax =3D 38, tf_tra= pno =3D 3, tf_err =3D 0, tf_eip =3D -1071763569, tf_cs =3D 8, tf_eflags =3D 598, tf_esp =3D -1071600644, tf_ss =3D -1071611704}) at ../../i386/i386/tr= ap.c:548 #8 0xc01e2f8f in Debugger (msg=3D0xc02080c8 "manual escape to debugger") at ../../i386/i386/db_interface.c:317 #9 0xc01de778 in scgetc (kbd=3D0xc0246600, flags=3D2) at ../../dev/syscons/syscons.c:3726 #10 0xc01d99f8 in sckbdevent (thiskbd=3D0xc0246600, event=3D0, arg=3D0x0) at ../../dev/syscons/syscons.c:822 #11 0xc01d63d7 in atkbd_intr (kbd=3D0xc0246600, arg=3D0x0) ---Type to continue, or q to quit--- at ../../dev/kbd/atkbd.c:563 #12 0xc01efc1c in atkbd_isa_intr (unit=3D0) at ../../i386/isa/atkbd_isa.c:84 #13 0xc01e4a7a in vec1 () #14 0xc0159d93 in getblk (vp=3D0xd2d77ec0, blkno=3D131184, size=3D8192, slp= flag=3D0, slptimeo=3D0) at ../../kern/vfs_bio.c:1424 #15 0xc0158761 in bread (vp=3D0xd2d77ec0, blkno=3D131184, size=3D8192, cred= =3D0x0, bpp=3D0xd302fa30) at ../../kern/vfs_bio.c:282 #16 0xc01bbf98 in ffs_update (vp=3D0xd3ddbd80, waitfor=3D0) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_inode.c:98 #17 0xc01c0766 in ffs_fsync (ap=3D0xd302fab8) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_vnops.c:= 258 #18 0xc01beb8b in ffs_sync (mp=3D0xc3004a00, waitfor=3D2, cred=3D0xc1138000, p=3D0xc024bb7c) at vnode_if.h:499 #19 0xc01619c3 in sync (p=3D0xc024bb7c, uap=3D0x0) at ../../kern/vfs_syscal= ls.c:549 #20 0xc013cae1 in boot (howto=3D256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:203 #21 0xc013cf39 in panic ( fmt=3D0xc02067ce "vm_fault: fault on nofault entry, addr: %lx") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:446 #22 0xc01c8b6e in vm_fault (map=3D0xc023e7b8, vaddr=3D3461124096, fault_type=3D1 '\001', fault_flags=3D0) at ../../vm/vm_fault.c:232 #23 0xc01ebf40 in trap_pfault (frame=3D0xd302fc40, usermode=3D0, eva=3D3461= 126819) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:824 #24 0xc01ebbf2 in trap (frame=3D{tf_es =3D 16, tf_ds =3D -1012727792, tf_edi =3D 35487, tf_esi =3D -1012706816, tf_ebp =3D -754778880, ---Type to continue, or q to quit--- tf_isp =3D -754779032, tf_ebx =3D -833840481, tf_edx =3D -847649360, tf_ecx =3D 8191, tf_eax =3D 43679, tf_trapno =3D 12, tf_err =3D 0, tf_eip =3D -1071900669, tf_cs =3D 8, tf_eflags =3D 66182, tf_esp =3D = -747118080, tf_ss =3D -754778332}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:437 #25 0xc01c1803 in ufs_lookup (ap=3D0xd302fd3c) at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_lookup.= c:238 #26 0xc01c6615 in ufs_vnoperate (ap=3D0xd302fd3c) at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c:2299 #27 0xc015bb48 in vfs_cache_lookup (ap=3D0xd302fd98) at vnode_if.h:55 #28 0xc01c6615 in ufs_vnoperate (ap=3D0xd302fd98) at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c:2299 #29 0xc015e01d in lookup (ndp=3D0xd302ff00) at vnode_if.h:31 #30 0xc015daf0 in namei (ndp=3D0xd302ff00) at ../../kern/vfs_lookup.c:152 #31 0xc01652bf in vn_open (ndp=3D0xd302ff00, fmode=3D1538, cmode=3D128) at ../../kern/vfs_vnops.c:88 #32 0xc016201d in open (p=3D0xd2f5d160, uap=3D0xd302ff94) at ../../kern/vfs_syscalls.c:935 #33 0xc01ec523 in syscall (frame=3D{tf_es =3D 39, tf_ds =3D 39, tf_edi =3D -1077954700, tf_esi =3D -1077957272, tf_ebp =3D -107794493= 2, tf_isp =3D -754778140, tf_ebx =3D 0, tf_edx =3D 33, tf_ecx =3D 0, tf_= eax =3D 5, tf_trapno =3D 7, tf_err =3D 2, tf_eip =3D 671740392, tf_cs =3D 31, tf_eflags =3D 582, tf_esp =3D -1077963708, tf_ss =3D 39}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:1100 #34 0xc01e36bc in Xint0x80_syscall () ---Type to continue, or q to quit--- #35 0x804db00 in ?? () #36 0x8049425 in ?? () (kgdb) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- this is backtrace (vfs.ffs.doreallocblks=3D1) when server reboots ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # gdb -k kernel.30 vmcore.30 GNU gdb 4.18 Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain condition= s. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "i386-unknown-freebsd"... IdlePTD 2744320 initial pcb at 227b10 panicstr: ufs_dirbad: bad dir panic messages: --- panic: ufs_dirbad: bad dir syncing disks... 95 10 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 giving up (da1:ahc1:0:1:0): SYNCHRONIZE CACHE. CDB: 35 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (da1:ahc1:0:1:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:20,0 (da1:ahc1:0:1:0): Invalid command operation code dumping to dev 20401, offset 1691306 dump 512 511 510 509 508 507 506 505 504 503 502 501 500 499 498 497 496 49= 5 494 493 492 491 490 489 488 487 486 485 484 483 482 481 480 479 478 477 4= 76 475 474 473 472 471 470 469 468 467 466 465 464 463 462 461 460 459 458 = 457 456 455 454 453 452 451 4= 50 449 448 447 446 445 444 443 442 441 440 439 438 437 436 435 434 433 432 = 431 430 429 428 427 426 425 424 423 422 421 420 419 418 417 416 415 414 413= 412 411 410 409 408 407 406 405 404 403 402 401 400 399 398 397 396 395 39= 4 393 392 391 390 389 388 387= 386 385 384 383 382 381 380 379 378 377 376 375 374 373 372 371 370 369 36= 8 367 366 365 364 363 362 361 360 359 358 357 356 355 354 353 352 351 350 3= 49 348 347 346 345 344 343 342 341 340 339 338 337 336 335 334 333 332 331 = 330 329 328 327 326 325 324 3= 23 322 321 320 319 318 317 316 315 314 313 312 311 310 309 308 307 306 305 = 304 303 302 301 300 299 298 297 296 295 294 293 292 291 290 289 288 287 286= 285 284 283 282 281 280 279 278 277 276 275 274 273 272 271 270 269 268 26= 7 266 265 264 263 262 261 260= 259 258 257 256 255 254 253 252 251 250 249 248 247 246 245 244 243 242 24= 1 240 239 238 237 236 235 234 233 232 231 230 229 228 227 226 225 224 223 2= 22 221 220 219 218 217 216 215 214 213 212 211 210 209 208 207 206 205 204 = 203 202 201 200 199 198 197 1= 96 195 194 193 192 191 190 189 188 187 186 185 184 183 182 181 180 179 178 = 177 176 175 174 173 172 171 170 169 168 167 166 165 164 163 162 161 160 159= 158 157 156 155 154 153 152 151 150 149 148 147 146 145 144 143 142 141 14= 0 139 138 137 136 135 134 133= 132 131 130 129 128 127 126 125 124 123 122 121 120 119 118 117 116 115 11= 4 113 112 111 110 109 108 107 106 105 104 103 102 101 100 99 98 97 96 95 94= 93 92 91 90 89 88 87 86 85 84 83 82 81 80 79 78 77 76 75 74 73 72 71 70 69= 68 67 66 65 64 63 62 61 60 5= 9 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 3= 4 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9= 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 --- #0 boot (howto=3D256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:285 285 dumppcb.pcb_cr3 =3D rcr3(); (kgdb) back #0 boot (howto=3D256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:285 #1 0xc013cf39 in panic (fmt=3D0xc0206187 "ufs_dirbad: bad dir") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:446 #2 0xc01c1f8e in ufs_dirbad (ip=3D0xc3088300, offset=3D51104, how=3D0xc0206141 "mangled entry") at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_lookup.c:566 #3 0xc01c1832 in ufs_lookup (ap=3D0xd2dd5ad8) at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_lookup.= c:243 #4 0xc01c6615 in ufs_vnoperate (ap=3D0xd2dd5ad8) at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c:2299 #5 0xc015bb48 in vfs_cache_lookup (ap=3D0xd2dd5b34) at vnode_if.h:55 #6 0xc01c6615 in ufs_vnoperate (ap=3D0xd2dd5b34) at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c:2299 #7 0xc015e01d in lookup (ndp=3D0xd2dd5d94) at vnode_if.h:31 #8 0xc019da95 in nfs_namei (ndp=3D0xd2dd5d94, fhp=3D0xd2dd5d0c, len=3D2, slp=3D0xc2fa5e00, nam=3D0xc30e1950, mdp=3D0xd2dd5c48, dposp=3D0xd2dd5c4= 4, retdirp=3D0xd2dd5c2c, p=3D0xd2d7bf40, kerbflag=3D0, pubflag=3D0) at ../../nfs/nfs_subs.c:1662 #9 0xc01866d3 in nfsrv_lookup (nfsd=3D0xc3239600, slp=3D0xc2fa5e00, procp=3D0xd2d7bf40, mrq=3D0xd2dd5e34) at ../../nfs/nfs_serv.c:476 #10 0xc019f562 in nfssvc_nfsd (nsd=3D0xd2dd5e94, argp=3D0x8071bb8 "", p=3D0= xd2d7bf40) at ../../nfs/nfs_syscalls.c:656 #11 0xc019ee7d in nfssvc (p=3D0xd2d7bf40, uap=3D0xd2dd5f94) at ../../nfs/nfs_syscalls.c:342 #12 0xc01ec523 in syscall (frame=3D{tf_es =3D 39, tf_ds =3D 39, tf_edi =3D = 16, ---Type to continue, or q to quit--- tf_esi =3D 0, tf_ebp =3D -1077944892, tf_isp =3D -757243932, tf_ebx = =3D 0, tf_edx =3D -1077945288, tf_ecx =3D 0, tf_eax =3D 155, tf_trapno =3D 1= 2, tf_err =3D 2, tf_eip =3D 134518940, tf_cs =3D 31, tf_eflags =3D 642, tf_esp =3D -1077945280, tf_ss =3D 39}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:1100 #13 0xc01e36bc in Xint0x80_syscall () #14 0x80480e9 in ?? () (kgdb) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- this is backtrace (vfs.ffs.doreallocblks=3D0) when server reboots after 8 days of work ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # gdb -k kernel.31 vmcore.31 GNU gdb 4.18 Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain condition= s. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "i386-unknown-freebsd"... IdlePTD 2744320 initial pcb at 227b10 panicstr: page fault panic messages: --- Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address =3D 0xce29867c fault code =3D supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer =3D 0x8:0xc01c1803 stack pointer =3D 0x10:0xd2ef2d1c frame pointer =3D 0x10:0xd2ef2da0 code segment =3D base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b =3D DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags =3D interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL =3D 0 current process =3D 11741 (uux) interrupt mask =3D trap number =3D 12 panic: page fault syncing disks... 25 5 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 giving up (da1:ahc1:0:1:0): SYNCHRONIZE CACHE. CDB: 35 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (da1:ahc1:0:1:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:20,0 (da1:ahc1:0:1:0): Invalid command operation code dumping to dev 20401, offset 1691306 dump 512 511 510 509 508 507 506 505 504 503 502 501 500 499 498 497 496 49= 5 494 493 492 491 490 489 488 487 486 485 484 483 482 481 480 479 478 477 4= 76 475 474 473 472 471 470 469 468 467 466 465 464 463 462 461 460 459 458 = 457 456 455 454 453 452 451 4= 50 449 448 447 446 445 444 443 442 441 440 439 438 437 436 435 434 433 432 = 431 430 429 428 427 426 425 424 423 422 421 420 419 418 417 416 415 414 413= 412 411 410 409 408 407 406 405 404 403 402 401 400 399 398 397 396 395 39= 4 393 392 391 390 389 388 387= 386 385 384 383 382 381 380 379 378 377 376 375 374 373 372 371 370 369 36= 8 367 366 365 364 363 362 361 360 359 358 357 356 355 354 353 352 351 350 3= 49 348 347 346 345 344 343 342 341 340 339 338 337 336 335 334 333 332 331 = 330 329 328 327 326 325 324 3= 23 322 321 320 319 318 317 316 315 314 313 312 311 310 309 308 307 306 305 = 304 303 302 301 300 299 298 297 296 295 294 293 292 291 290 289 288 287 286= 285 284 283 282 281 280 279 278 277 276 275 274 273 272 271 270 269 268 26= 7 266 265 264 263 262 261 260= 259 258 257 256 255 254 253 252 251 250 249 248 247 246 245 244 243 242 24= 1 240 239 238 237 236 235 234 233 232 231 230 229 228 227 226 225 224 223 2= 22 221 220 219 218 217 216 215 214 213 212 211 210 209 208 207 206 205 204 = 203 202 201 200 199 198 197 1= 96 195 194 193 192 191 190 189 188 187 186 185 184 183 182 181 180 179 178 = 177 176 175 174 173 172 171 170 169 168 167 166 165 164 163 162 161 160 159= 158 157 156 155 154 153 152 151 150 149 148 147 146 145 144 143 142 141 14= 0 139 138 137 136 135 134 133= 132 131 130 129 128 127 126 125 124 123 122 121 120 119 118 117 116 115 11= 4 113 112 111 110 109 108 107 106 105 104 103 102 101 100 99 98 97 96 95 94= 93 92 91 90 89 88 87 86 85 84 83 82 81 80 79 78 77 76 75 74 73 72 71 70 69= 68 67 66 65 64 63 62 61 60 5= 9 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 3= 4 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9= 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 --- #0 boot (howto=3D256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:285 285 dumppcb.pcb_cr3 =3D rcr3(); (kgdb) back #0 boot (howto=3D256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:285 #1 0xc013cf39 in panic (fmt=3D0xc020bcdb "page fault") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:446 #2 0xc01ec2da in trap_fatal (frame=3D0xd2ef2ce0, eva=3D3458827900) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:942 #3 0xc01ebf93 in trap_pfault (frame=3D0xd2ef2ce0, usermode=3D0, eva=3D3458= 827900) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:835 #4 0xc01ebbf2 in trap (frame=3D{tf_es =3D 16, tf_ds =3D -1012793328, tf_edi =3D 13944, tf_esi =3D -1012734208, tf_ebp =3D -756077152, tf_isp =3D -756077304, tf_ebx =3D -836139400, tf_edx =3D -847635744, tf_ecx =3D 8191, tf_eax =3D 374392, tf_trapno =3D 12, tf_err =3D 0, tf_eip =3D -1071900669, tf_cs =3D 8, tf_eflags =3D 66182, tf_esp =3D = -739090816, tf_ss =3D -756076836}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:437 #5 0xc01c1803 in ufs_lookup (ap=3D0xd2ef2ddc) at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_lookup.= c:238 #6 0xc01c6615 in ufs_vnoperate (ap=3D0xd2ef2ddc) at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c:2299 #7 0xc015bb48 in vfs_cache_lookup (ap=3D0xd2ef2e38) at vnode_if.h:55 #8 0xc01c6615 in ufs_vnoperate (ap=3D0xd2ef2e38) at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c:2299 #9 0xc015e01d in lookup (ndp=3D0xd2ef2eb8) at vnode_if.h:31 #10 0xc015daf0 in namei (ndp=3D0xd2ef2eb8) at ../../kern/vfs_lookup.c:152 #11 0xc01631bc in stat (p=3D0xd2e6ffa0, uap=3D0xd2ef2f94) at ../../kern/vfs_syscalls.c:1614 ---Type to continue, or q to quit--- #12 0xc01ec523 in syscall (frame=3D{tf_es =3D 39, tf_ds =3D -1078001625, tf_edi =3D -1077945600, tf_esi =3D -1077945616, tf_ebp =3D -107794564= 0, tf_isp =3D -756076572, tf_ebx =3D 266344, tf_edx =3D 266355, tf_ecx = =3D 0, tf_eax =3D 188, tf_trapno =3D 12, tf_err =3D 7, tf_eip =3D 141013, tf= _cs =3D 31, tf_eflags =3D 646, tf_esp =3D -1077945748, tf_ss =3D 39}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:1100 #13 0x226d5 in ?? () #14 0x651a in ?? () #15 0x65ad in ?? () #16 0x30fe in ?? () #17 0x10d3 in ?? () (kgdb) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 0: 2:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles523.castles.com [208.214.165.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D715C152D0 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:02:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17866; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:54:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908300654.XAA17866@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: bag@sinbin.demos.su (Alex G. Bulushev) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3.2-s nfsv3/udp server daily panic In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:52:18 +0400." <199908300652.KAA80320@sinbin.demos.su> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:54:45 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > we use hightly loaded nfsv3/udp server with 5 fbsd nfs client > all with 3.2-stable The most typical cause for these crashes is hardware-induced memory corruption, caused by bad memory, a faulty or misconfigured motherboard or an overclocked CPU. Are you performing any computational work on the server? Does it see processes dying with signals 6, 10 or 11? > server panics one/two time a day with: > > panic: ufs_dirbad: bad dir > > then reboot ... > another panic: > > panic: vm_fault: fault on nofault entry, addr: ce4c9000 > > in this case server write: > > syncing disks... > > and hangs ... after seting vfs.ffs.doreallocblks=0 server works without > panic about 8 days, and then reboot with: > > Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode ... -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 0: 2:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A1BA152DB for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:02:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id AAA10663; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:01:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:01:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908300701.AAA10663@apollo.backplane.com> To: bag@sinbin.demos.su (Alex G. Bulushev) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.2-s nfsv3/udp server daily panic References: <199908300652.KAA80320@sinbin.demos.su> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :we use hightly loaded nfsv3/udp server with 5 fbsd nfs client :all with 3.2-stable : Exactly how recent are your kernel sources / kernel build? There have been a significant number of fixes to NFS in the last few weeks. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 0:43:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from kremvax.demos.su (kremvax.demos.su [194.87.0.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0316F15124 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:43:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sinbin.demos.su!bag@kremvax.demos.su) Received: by kremvax.demos.su (8.6.13/D) from 0@sinbin.demos.su [194.87.5.31] with ESMTP id LAA25289; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:40:47 +0400 Received: by sinbin.demos.su id LAA65934; (8.6.12/D) Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:39:44 +0400 From: bag@sinbin.demos.su (Alex G. Bulushev) Message-Id: <199908300739.LAA65934@sinbin.demos.su> Subject: Re: 3.2-s nfsv3/udp server daily panic In-Reply-To: <199908300701.AAA10663@apollo.backplane.com> from Matthew Dillon at "Aug 30, 1999 0: 1: 1 am" To: dillon@apollo.backplane.com (Matthew Dillon) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:39:44 +0400 (MSD) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > :we use hightly loaded nfsv3/udp server with 5 fbsd nfs client > :all with 3.2-stable > : > > Exactly how recent are your kernel sources / kernel build? There have > been a significant number of fixes to NFS in the last few weeks. cvsuped 18 aug 1999 00:35 MSD > > -Matt > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 0:59:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from kremvax.demos.su (kremvax.demos.su [194.87.0.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C9715124 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:59:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sinbin.demos.su!bag@kremvax.demos.su) Received: by kremvax.demos.su (8.6.13/D) from 0@sinbin.demos.su [194.87.5.31] with ESMTP id LAA00944; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:58:49 +0400 Received: by sinbin.demos.su id LAA79019; (8.6.12/D) Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:57:53 +0400 From: bag@sinbin.demos.su (Alex G. Bulushev) Message-Id: <199908300757.LAA79019@sinbin.demos.su> Subject: Re: 3.2-s nfsv3/udp server daily panic In-Reply-To: <199908300654.XAA17866@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Aug 29, 1999 11:54:45 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:57:53 +0400 (MSD) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > we use hightly loaded nfsv3/udp server with 5 fbsd nfs client > > all with 3.2-stable > > The most typical cause for these crashes is hardware-induced memory > corruption, caused by bad memory, a faulty or misconfigured motherboard > or an overclocked CPU. Are you performing any computational work on > the server? Does it see processes dying with signals 6, 10 or 11? no and no ... this is typical panics of this server for different hardware (we upgrade hardware by changing system block once 1/1.5 years) last upgrade was in May, and nothing change with panics, then we regulary upgrade src's and kernel ... 3.2-stable nfs clients is more stable now (panics after 30-45 days) but nfs server still panics as general (with SMP it panics once/several hours) another feature of nfs server - increasing mbufs number: (this is with vfs.ffs.doreallocblks=0, when server works 8 days without panic) 8:15 up 3 days, 23:07, 5 users, load averages: 0.30, 0.36, 0.46 11083/11744 mbufs in use: 10827 mbufs allocated to data 142 mbufs allocated to packet headers 114 mbufs allocated to socket names and addresses 328/1078/12288 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max) 3624 Kbytes allocated to network (56% in use) 0 requests for memory denied 0 requests for memory delayed 0 calls to protocol drain routines 9:12 up 4 days, 12:03, 5 users, load averages: 0.44, 0.45, 0.44 14092/14848 mbufs in use: 13822 mbufs allocated to data 156 mbufs allocated to packet headers 114 mbufs allocated to socket names and addresses 369/1078/12288 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max) 4012 Kbytes allocated to network (62% in use) 0 requests for memory denied 0 requests for memory delayed 0 calls to protocol drain routines 6:04 up 5 days, 8:55, 11 users, load averages: 1.73, 1.56, 1.34 17391/17984 mbufs in use: 16925 mbufs allocated to data 352 mbufs allocated to packet headers 114 mbufs allocated to socket names and addresses 615/1116/12288 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max) 4480 Kbytes allocated to network (75% in use) 0 requests for memory denied 0 requests for memory delayed 0 calls to protocol drain routines > > > server panics one/two time a day with: > > > > panic: ufs_dirbad: bad dir > > > > then reboot ... > > another panic: > > > > panic: vm_fault: fault on nofault entry, addr: ce4c9000 > > > > in this case server write: > > > > syncing disks... > > > > and hangs ... after seting vfs.ffs.doreallocblks=0 server works without > > panic about 8 days, and then reboot with: > > > > Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode > > ... > -- > \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith > \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 1:32:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EED915249 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:32:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11LMqB-000KzY-00; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:30:59 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Doug Cc: Ben Smithurst , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please review: rc file changes In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:46:11 MST." <37C874C3.20AA6996@gorean.org> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:30:59 +0200 Message-ID: <80695.936001859@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:46:11 MST, Doug wrote: > Hoping I'm running out of nits, :-) Hi Doug, I've had a week-end away from a keyboard to think about this. The only reason we have to use case statements for case-insensitive variable testing is because sh(1) doesn't offer any upper/lower case handling parameter expansions (something like ${foo~lower} for example). When sh(1) _does_ offer something like this, a lot more work will be involved in using it once your proposed changes have gone in. Therefore, I propose that we create functions isyes() and isno() to wrap up the case-handling logic. This means we end up using if isyes(${foo}); then ... fi Later, when upper/lower case handling is available, we could either change the internals of the isyes() and isno() functions, or replace their invocations with case ${foo~lower} in yes) ... ;; *) ... ;; esac Wotchathink? Ciao, Sheldon. PS: I just finished off rc.network; what a bitch. :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 4:43:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from uumail.elektra.ru (uumail.elektra.ru [193.125.99.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F5315688 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 04:42:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuzbe!experiment.kec.ke!kec.kuzbe.elektra.ru!sysadmin@oasis.osib.elektra.ru) Received: from kuzbe!experiment.kec.ke!kec.kuzbe.elektra.ru (uucp@localhost) by uumail.elektra.ru (8.9.3/8.9.2) with UUCP id PAA86365 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:42:03 +0400 (MSD) Received: from experiment.kec.ke (experiment.kec.ke [10.2.1.55]) by kec.kuzbe.elektra.ru with ESMTP id RAA07282 (8.8.5m/8.6.12 for ); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:07:02 +0800 (MSD) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:12:46 +0800 (KRSS) From: Gutov Grigory To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Q: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello All . I have a questuon - how much may be this things : options SHMALL=1025 options "SHMMAX=(SHMMAXPGS*PAGE_SIZE+1)" options SHMMAXPGS=1025 options SHMMIN=2 options SHMMNI=33 options SHMSEG=9 I have 256 Mb RAM and $postmaster -B 512 -S say that: "IpcMemoryCreate: shmget failed (Invalid argument) key=5432001 size=8852184 permission=600 FATAL 1: ShmemCreate: cannot create region" but whit "-B 450" all work very well. Sorry for my bad english sysadmin@kuzbe.elektra.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 4:51: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from lily.ezo.net (lily.ezo.net [206.102.130.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DC7152EA; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 04:51:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jflowers@ezo.net) Received: from lily.ezo.net (jflowers@localhost.ezo.net [127.0.0.1]) by lily.ezo.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA02005; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:49:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Flowers To: Randy Bush Cc: Richard Puga , wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Laptoppers Subject: Re: WaveLan IEE problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG wi works fine as furnished with 3.2-stable. Jim Flowers #4 ISP on C|NET, #1 in Ohio On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Randy Bush wrote: > > day? for me and a bunch of others it happens immediately. we have never > been able to get wlp or wi going since 3.x. > > randy, running -release+pao > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 5:54:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.scc.nl (node1374.a2000.nl [62.108.19.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C798B152BD for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 05:54:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-hackers@scc.nl) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by mail.scc.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22543 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:38:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd-hackers@scc.nl) Received: from GATEWAY by dwarf.hq.scc.nl with netnews for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:37:56 +0200 From: Marcel Moolenaar Message-ID: <37CA7B24.EC8539C4@scc.nl> Organization: SCC vof Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: More than 32 signals. Thought? Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [cc'd to David E. Cross (crossd@cs.rpi.edu) and James Raynard (jraynard@freebsd.org)] I'm thinking about extending the number of signals. I like your thoughts and opinions. Why more than 32 signals? Primarily because Linux now uses more than 32 signals and I'm going to run into trouble in the Linuxulator. Also, NetBSD has increased its signals to 128. How do you want to do it? Basicly what I'm going to do is rewrite the signalling code to use a new sigset_t and provide new syscalls to use it. The current syscalls convert between the current and the new types for compatibility. I think I'm going to borrow a thought or two from Linux which allows further increasing of the number of signals without rewriting the logic, but that's basicly undecided yet and open for discussion. -- Marcel Moolenaar mailto:marcel@scc.nl SCC Internetworking & Databases http://www.scc.nl/ Amsterdam, The Netherlands tel: +31 20 4200655 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 6:11:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09BB414C0E for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 06:10:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stolz@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de) Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3869) with ESMTP id <01JFDSJRW5XA0011EK@mail.rwth-aachen.de> for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:10:41 +0200 Received: from jennifer.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (stolz@jennifer.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.82]) by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1/3) with ESMTP id OAA08043; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:50:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from stolz@localhost) by jennifer.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1) id OAA25966; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:50:50 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:50:50 +0200 From: Volker Stolz Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch In-reply-to: <199908292203.WAA00408@orthanc.koshy.org>; from JK3 on Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 10:03:40PM +0000 To: JK3 Cc: Volker Stolz , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-id: <19990830145050.B25578@jennifer.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Organization: Temporary exile in Madrid MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <19990829122417.A21619@jennifer.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> <199908292203.WAA00408@orthanc.koshy.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I suppose there already was a rather lengthy discussion about a "user"-option. I hope this sysctl-thing will make it into the mount-manpage, because if not, it might turn out to be a really FAQ :) -- Volker Stolz * stolz@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de * PGP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 6:24:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mrelay.jrc.it (mrelay.jrc.it [139.191.1.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A5814C91 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 06:24:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nick.hibma@jrc.it) Received: from elect8 (elect8.jrc.it [139.191.71.152]) by mrelay.jrc.it (LMC5692) with ESMTP id PAA23795; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:23:44 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:23:43 +0200 (MET DST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@elect8 Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More than 32 signals. Thought? In-Reply-To: <37CA7B24.EC8539C4@scc.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Basicly what I'm going to do is rewrite the signalling code to use a new > sigset_t and provide new syscalls to use it. The current syscalls convert > between the current and the new types for compatibility. I think I'm going > to borrow a thought or two from Linux which allows further increasing of > the number of signals without rewriting the logic, but that's basicly > undecided yet and open for discussion. How does NetBSD do it? Or more precise: What is wrong with it that you prefer the Linux way? Nick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 6:36:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from not.demophon.com (ns.demophon.com [193.65.70.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E21150C8 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 06:36:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@not.demophon.com) Received: (from will@localhost) by not.demophon.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id QAA71488; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:35:27 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from will) To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: locking revisited References: <19990828125241.G13904@freebie.lemis.com> From: Ville-Pertti Keinonen Date: 30 Aug 1999 16:35:26 +0300 In-Reply-To: grog@lemis.com's message of "28 Aug 1999 06:24:48 +0300" Message-ID: <86906t8k81.fsf@not.demophon.com> Lines: 88 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) writes: > All systems which do more than one thing at a time need file locking > at some time or another. Since it involves cooperation between > potentially unrelated processes, it's an obvious kernel function. Any > "solution" requiring cooperation between processes isn't really a > solution. As a result, I don't consider advisory locking to be real > locking: it's just a kludge. But strict explicit locks (I'll avoid the term "mandatory" to avoid confusion) are only better than advisory locks in some restricted cases. You haven't commented on my previous critiques here. Nobody has disputed them, other than by saying that mandatory locking does not mean locking where you have to actually call a function to apply the lock, but that doesn't appear to be what *you* mean by mandatory locking. As the most explicit critique was not Cc'd to you (I lose fields because I read mailing lists through list->news gateways), and you may have missed it in all of the noise on the list, so I'll quote myself here: The most significant advantage I see with mandatory locking over advisory locking is guaranteeing atomicity for things done by programs that do use locking. This only protects the data when programs that access the same data without locking don't need locking, which generally means that they either don't need to modify the data or that there can't be multiple instances of those other programs *and* the modifications made are themselves atomic (can't be read-modify-write, or even multiple writes if consistency is required). This is a somewhat limited set of cases. If anyone can come up with a counter-example, please present it. Locking entire files, in addition to ranges, would seem to me to be of further benefit, as it would allow properly locking programs to fully protect against any single non-locking program which, like Greg's cat example, would presumably be run interactively and thus would require explicit stupidity to create additional races. Note that protection is *at best* against a single program and at worst only against other cooperative programs, as with advisory locks. I can understand the aesthetic point of preferring that when you say "lock the file", other processes don't get to do things to the file, but the practical value of being able to do this is not *that* significant, since the use of any non-cooperative programs makes advisory and explicit locks equally useless with the exception of cases mentioned above. > FreeBSD is one of the few operating systems which doesn't have > kernel-level locking. If we want to emulate other systems correctly, > we *must* have advisory locking. This includes SCO UNIX, System V.4 How is FreeBSD's flock/fcntl advisory locking not kernel-level locking? > All this doesn't leave too much room for arguments about whether > locking works or not: it works on all platforms except FreeBSD, and > that's only because FreeBSD doesn't implement locking. FreeBSD implements advisory locking. I would expect most people to consider it locking. It's sufficient for a lot of things. There are cases where some other kind of locking would be better, but then you may say that any voluntary locking scheme is useless. > - System V style. We need this for compatibility with System V. The > choice of mandatory or advisory locking depends on the file > permissions. > - Only mandatory locking. fcntl works as before, but locks are > always mandatory, not advisory. I'm sure that this won't be > popular, at least initially, but if you don't like it, you don't > have to use it.y Perhaps both of the above, all with on/off sysctls. I would suggest implementing both range and file locking. Implementing mandatory locking as Terry Lambert defines it might also be worth considering, but it shouldn't be made easy to turn on by accident. And for all additions, things should be properly documented, since they might not guarantee what people would expect them to. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 6:56:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from gaia.euronet.nl (gaia.euronet.nl [194.134.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A120F15193 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 06:56:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@scc.nl) Received: from scones.sup.scc.nl (i231.ztm.euronet.nl [194.134.67.32]) by gaia.euronet.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21140; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:55:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from scc.nl (scones.sup.scc.nl [192.168.2.4]) by scones.sup.scc.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA86113; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:55:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marcel@scc.nl) Message-ID: <37CA8D6C.3885E2C5@scc.nl> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:55:56 +0200 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: SCC vof X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nick Hibma Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More than 32 signals. Thought? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nick Hibma wrote: > > > Basicly what I'm going to do is rewrite the signalling code to use a new > > sigset_t and provide new syscalls to use it. The current syscalls convert > > between the current and the new types for compatibility. I think I'm going > > to borrow a thought or two from Linux which allows further increasing of > > the number of signals without rewriting the logic, but that's basicly > > undecided yet and open for discussion. > > How does NetBSD do it? Or more precise: What is wrong with it that you > prefer the Linux way? This basicly how NetBSD does it. The Linux trick I like to add is to have sigset_t always be the last field in structures so that the impact of enlarging sigset_t is minimal. If you pass a size argument along with syscalls that include sigset_t, you are free to further enlarge sigset_t in the kernel without recompilation of userland tools. -- Marcel Moolenaar mailto:marcel@scc.nl SCC Internetworking & Databases http://www.scc.nl/ Amsterdam, The Netherlands tel: +31 20 4200655 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 7:19:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A2571513E for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:19:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11LSFQ-000N2n-00; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:17:24 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: Nick Hibma , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More than 32 signals. Thought? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:55:56 +0200." <37CA8D6C.3885E2C5@scc.nl> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:17:24 +0200 Message-ID: <88584.936022644@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:55:56 +0200, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > The Linux trick I like to add is to have sigset_t always be the last > field in structures so that the impact of enlarging sigset_t is > minimal. On LITTLE_ENDIAN machines? Cia, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 7:27: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f230.hotmail.com [207.82.251.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D6CB615781 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:27:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gupz@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 77699 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 1999 14:25:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19990830142553.77697.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 161.44.52.23 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:25:52 PDT X-Originating-IP: [161.44.52.23] From: "Dodge Ram" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Sharing file descriptors Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:25:52 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Have a question on whether it is possible to share file descriptors between two processes. The purpose is to have a stanby process take over when the primary process fails. The primary process creates/deletes socket connections at run time. Forking does not scale well when the rate of connection creates/deletes in high. If there is an alternative approach to do this kindly let me know. Any helpful pointers are greatly appreciated. thanks and regards, ramesh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 7:40:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from gaia.euronet.nl (gaia.euronet.nl [194.134.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB32014BE7 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:40:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@scc.nl) Received: from scones.sup.scc.nl (i349.ztm.euronet.nl [194.134.67.110]) by gaia.euronet.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22330; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:40:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from scc.nl (scones.sup.scc.nl [192.168.2.4]) by scones.sup.scc.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA87671; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:40:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marcel@scc.nl) Message-ID: <37CA97D2.39BA32F2@scc.nl> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:40:18 +0200 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: SCC vof X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Nick Hibma , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More than 32 signals. Thought? References: <88584.936022644@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:55:56 +0200, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > > The Linux trick I like to add is to have sigset_t always be the last > > field in structures so that the impact of enlarging sigset_t is > > minimal. > > On LITTLE_ENDIAN machines? Both NetBSD and Linux define sigset_t as an array of ints/longs. This can easily be expanded without having to worry about endianness. -- Marcel Moolenaar mailto:marcel@scc.nl SCC Internetworking & Databases http://www.scc.nl/ Amsterdam, The Netherlands tel: +31 20 4200655 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 7:45:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f314.hotmail.com [207.82.251.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 021B61572B for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:45:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gupz@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 40824 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 1999 14:43:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19990830144352.40823.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 161.44.52.23 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:43:52 PDT X-Originating-IP: [161.44.52.23] From: "Dodge Ram" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Sharing file descriptors Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:43:52 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Have a question on whether it is possible to share file descriptors between two processes. The purpose is to have a stanby process take over when the primary process fails. The primary process creates/deletes socket connections at run time. Forking does not scale well when the rate of connection creates/deletes in high. If there is an alternative approach to do this kindly let me know. Any helpful pointers are greatly appreciated. thanks and regards, ramesh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 7:52:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77187150A5 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:51:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@wintelcom.net) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA05542; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:06:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@wintelcom.net) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:06:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Alfred Perlstein To: Dodge Ram Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sharing file descriptors In-Reply-To: <19990830142553.77697.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Dodge Ram wrote: > Hi, > > Have a question on whether it is possible to share > file descriptors between two processes. > > The purpose is to have a stanby process take over when > the primary process fails. The primary process creates/deletes > socket connections at run time. Forking does not scale well when > the rate of connection creates/deletes in high. > > If there is an alternative approach to do this kindly let > me know. > > Any helpful pointers are greatly appreciated. two options I can think of: 1) file descriptor passing (described in Unix Network Programming Vol I) 2) shared address fork (should be on http://lt.tar.com) good luck, -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 8: 4: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from galileo.physics.purdue.edu (galileo.physics.purdue.edu [128.210.67.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B7A14C9C for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:03:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ajk@physics.purdue.edu) Received: from galileo.physics.purdue.edu (localhost.physics.purdue.edu [127.0.0.1]) by galileo.physics.purdue.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA80087 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:02:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ajk@galileo.physics.purdue.edu) Message-Id: <199908301502.KAA80087@galileo.physics.purdue.edu> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch In-Reply-To: Message from Volker Stolz of "Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:50:50 +0200." <19990830145050.B25578@jennifer.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> From: "Andrew J. Korty" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <80080.936025325.1@galileo.physics.purdue.edu> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:02:06 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I suppose there already was a rather lengthy discussion about a "user"-option > . > I hope this sysctl-thing will make it into the mount-manpage, because if not, > it might turn out to be a really FAQ :) > -- > Volker Stolz * stolz@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de * PGP I provided a solution via send-pr (bin/11031) over four months ago, which is, in my opinion, superior in many ways to this sysctl approach. The patch contains an amendment to the mount(1) manual page. Andrew J. Korty, Director http://www.physics.purdue.edu/~ajk/ Physics Computer Network 85 73 1F 04 63 D9 9D 65 Purdue University 65 2E 7A A8 81 8C 45 75 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 8:42:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (mail1.its.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 117E915182; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:42:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA47460; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:40:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990828125241.G13904@freebie.lemis.com> References: <19990828125241.G13904@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:40:40 -0400 To: Greg Lehey , FreeBSD Committers , FreeBSD Hackers From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: locking revisited Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:52 PM +0930 8/28/99, Greg Lehey wrote: >FreeBSD is one of the few operating systems which doesn't have >kernel-level locking. If we want to emulate other systems correctly, >we *must* have advisory locking. This includes SCO UNIX, System V.4 >and Linux. I suspect it also includes Microsoft. > >All this doesn't leave too much room for arguments about whether >locking works or not: it works on all platforms except FreeBSD, and >that's only because FreeBSD doesn't implement locking. I agree (for what it's worth) >As a result, I argue that we should implement locking. The questions >are: how? I'd suggest three ... [the third being:] > > - Via separate calls to fcntl. fcntl currently has the following > command values: > > #define F_DUPFD 0 /* duplicate file descriptor */ > #define F_GETFD 1 /* get file descriptor flags */ > #define F_SETFD 2 /* set file descriptor flags */ > #define F_GETFL 3 /* get file status flags */ > #define F_SETFL 4 /* set file status flags */ > #define F_GETOWN 5 /* get SIGIO/SIGURG proc/pgrp */ > #define F_SETOWN 6 /* set SIGIO/SIGURG proc/pgrp */ > #define F_GETLK 7 /* get record locking information */ > #define F_SETLK 8 /* set record locking information */ > #define F_SETLKW 9 /* F_SETLK; wait if blocked */ > > We could add a F_SETMANDLOCK or some such. > >Any thoughts? On this last option, I assume that means a program could open some file, set this option, and then other programs would behave as if the mandatory-locking flag was on for that file. However, that behavior would only last as long as the first program, the one which set the option, still had the file-descriptor open? Presumably this new fcntl value would only be honored for programs executing as the owner of the file? (or some other limited group, to limit denial-of-service attacks) --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 9: 1:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from heathers.stdio.com (heathers.stdio.com [199.89.192.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB0915340; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:01:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rhyatt@stdio.com) Received: (from rhyatt@localhost) by heathers.stdio.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19290; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:58:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rhyatt) From: "Ray Hyatt Jr." Message-Id: <199908301558.LAA19290@heathers.stdio.com> Subject: Re: Its about that time of year again. (FreeBSD & MCA) In-Reply-To: from "Matthew N. Dodd" at "Aug 27, 99 09:04:36 pm" To: winter@jurai.net (Matthew N. Dodd) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a few PS/2's (Mod 95 and Mod 80's) in my pile of junk, I'll see what I can do about getting them booted with this new kernel. A bunch of "typical" cards too (Serial, ethernet, token ring, SCSI, etc) winter@jurai.net was seen typing: > On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Peter Wemm wrote: > > Good stuff! People may ask "why bother?", but it gives us access to a > > heap of embedded POS systems that are stuck with OS/2 and Y2K > > nightmares. > > Don't forget the PS/2 laptops that use MCA. > > I'm sure the bottom has fallen out of that market and those machines do > have nice screens. > Ray Hyatt, Jr. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 9: 8:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from amstech.com (alister.w.easynet.co.uk [212.212.251.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03368150ED for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:08:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frankrj@netscape.net) Received: from netscape.net (localhost.jakinternet.co.uk [127.0.0.1] (may be forged)) by amstech.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA01248; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:09:21 GMT (envelope-from frankrj@netscape.net) Message-ID: <37CABABF.33E13FF@netscape.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:09:19 +0000 From: Francis Jordan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More than 32 signals. Thought? References: <37CA7B24.EC8539C4@scc.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > [cc'd to David E. Cross (crossd@cs.rpi.edu) and James Raynard > (jraynard@freebsd.org)] > > I'm thinking about extending the number of signals. I like your thoughts > and opinions. > > Basicly what I'm going to do is rewrite the signalling code to use a new > sigset_t and provide new syscalls to use it. The current syscalls convert > between the current and the new types for compatibility. I think I'm going > to borrow a thought or two from Linux which allows further increasing of > the number of signals without rewriting the logic, but that's basicly > undecided yet and open for discussion. Do as NetBSD does to remain compatible? Or borrow a few thoughts from Solaris, which also has 128 signals: typedef struct { /* signal set type */ unsigned long __sigbits[4]; } sigset_t; Frank To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 9:14:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dt011n65.san.rr.com (dt010nb9.san.rr.com [204.210.12.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3739814E43 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:14:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt011n65.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06466; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:13:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <37CAADC6.611768E1@gorean.org> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:13:58 -0700 From: Doug Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT-0826 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Andy V. Oleynik" Cc: cjclark@home.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make aout-to-elf-build Failing References: <199908300105.VAA23044@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> <37CA33DD.E000B798@prime.net.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've seen quite a few reports of this lately, and while this fixes it, it shouldn't be necessary, should it? Has something changed in the 'make upgrade' target recently? Doug "Andy V. Oleynik" wrote: > > Crist, I had latly same sort of things. > Fix is to define in ur /etc/make.conf MACHINE_ARCH as i386 > MACHINE_ARCH= i386 > Good luck. > "Crist J. Clark" wrote: > > > Doug wrote, > > > "Crist J. Clark" wrote: > > > > > > > > It's a lazy Sunday afternoon, and I am finally thinking of doing the > > > > 2.2.8-STABLE to 3.2-STABLE upgrade. > > > > > > > > I have upgraded within a major release several times (a number of > > > > 2.2.7 to 2.2.8 and 3.1 to 3.2 systems), but never done the a.out to > > > > ELF thing before. However, I really do not think this has anything to > > > > do with my problem. > > > > > > > > I _just_ sucked down 3.2 using cvsup, went into /usr/src, and after > > > > reading /usr/src/Makefile about 50 times, finally typed, > > > > > > > > # make aout-to-elf-build > > > > > > The preferred method is the all-in-one 'make upgrade' target. Trying to > > > make any of the steps individually is not supported. Take a look at > > > http://freebsd.simplenet.com/make-upgrade.html > > > > Thanks for the reference to your webpage; it is helpful... > > > > However, doing a 'make upgrade' dies with the exact same error, > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> Cleaning up the aout obj tree > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > . > > [snip] > > . > > . > > ===> lib/libc > > "/usr/src/lib/libc/../libc/gen/Makefile.inc", line 32: Could not find /usr/src/lib/libc/../libc/unknown/gen/Makefile.inc > > "/usr/src/lib/libc/../libc/net/Makefile.inc", line 22: Could not find /usr/src/lib/libc/../libc/unknown/net/Makefile.inc > > "/usr/src/lib/libc/../libc/stdlib/Makefile.inc", line 23: Could not find /usr/src/lib/libc/../libc/unknown/stdlib/Makefile.inc > > "/usr/src/lib/libc/../libc/string/Makefile.inc", line 16: Could not find /usr/src/lib/libc/../libc/unknown/string/Makefile.inc > > "/usr/src/lib/libc/../libc/sys/Makefile.inc", line 16: Could not find /usr/src/lib/libc/../libc/unknown/sys/Makefile.inc > > make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 9:26: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C827F158D1 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:25:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA15225; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:25:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:25:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908301625.JAA15225@apollo.backplane.com> To: bag@sinbin.demos.su (Alex G. Bulushev) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.2-s nfsv3/udp server daily panic References: <199908300739.LAA65934@sinbin.demos.su> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : :cvsuped 18 aug 1999 00:35 MSD : I would definitely update it, but that may not be your problem. If you could email your mount setup (df output) and your kernel configuration (dmesg output) I would appreciate it. If you are running softupdates, try turning it off (but I doubt this is the problem). This could be a new bug. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 11:27: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC1E14CE1 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:26:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03816; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:26:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA05144; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:26:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908301826.MAA05144@harmony.village.org> To: Sheldon Hearn Subject: Re: More than 32 signals. Thought? Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , Nick Hibma , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:17:24 +0200." <88584.936022644@axl.noc.iafrica.com> References: <88584.936022644@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:26:06 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <88584.936022644@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sheldon Hearn writes: : : : > The Linux trick I like to add is to have sigset_t always be the last : > field in structures so that the impact of enlarging sigset_t is : > minimal. : : On LITTLE_ENDIAN machines? Endian shouldn't matter. An array at the end of a struct is going to grow that struct in identical ways... If the array index is defined sanely, then no one will notice if the lenght is passed in. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 11:49:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu (bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu [128.226.1.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B8F14E66 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zzhang@cs.binghamton.edu) Received: from sol.cs.binghamton.edu (cs1-gw.cs.binghamton.edu [128.226.171.72]) by bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA16457 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:35:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Zhihui Zhang Reply-To: Zhihui Zhang To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Help with remote debugging (gdb -k) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After reading the handbook and some postings in the mailing list archive. I still can not make remote debugging work. I basically did the following on FreeBSD-current 4.0 (A is debugging machine, B is the target): (1) Build a debug kernel (options DDB and BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER) on box A. The sio flag I used is 0x90 (I also tried 0x80). Ftp the file /kernel to box B and renamed as /kernel.A (2) Boot the kernel /kernel.A on box B with -d option: >>FreeBSD/i386 boot Default: 0:wd(0,a)/boot/loader boot: /kernel.A -d Debugger("Boot flags requested debugger") Stopped at 0xc0252c27: movl $0, 0xc031ed98 db> gdb Next trap will enter GDB remote protocol mode db> s (3) On machine A, go to the compile directory: #gdb -g kernel.debug (kgdb) target remote /dev/cuaa0 Remote debugging using /dev/cuaa0 Ignoring packet error, continuing... Ignoring packet error, continuing... Couldn't establish connection to remote target Malformed response to offset query, timeout The serial cable is null-modem and has been tested with kermit. It is connected to /dev/ttyd0 (com 1) of machine B and com 2 of machine A. I did not do "strip -x" because I assume this is done by FreeBSD 4.0 automatically and the file debug.kernel is the one with symbols. Any help is appreciated. -------------------------------------------------- Zhihui Zhang. Please visit http://www.freebsd.org -------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 12: 0:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu (bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu [128.226.1.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39865152A6 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:00:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zzhang@cs.binghamton.edu) Received: from sol.cs.binghamton.edu (cs1-gw.cs.binghamton.edu [128.226.171.72]) by bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA21384 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:47:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Zhihui Zhang To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help with remote debugging (gdb -k) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Zhihui Zhang wrote: > > After reading the handbook and some postings in the mailing list archive. > I still can not make remote debugging work. I basically did the following > on FreeBSD-current 4.0 (A is debugging machine, B is the target): > > (1) Build a debug kernel (options DDB and BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER) on box A. > The sio flag I used is 0x90 (I also tried 0x80). Ftp the file /kernel to > box B and renamed as /kernel.A > > (2) Boot the kernel /kernel.A on box B with -d option: > > >>FreeBSD/i386 boot > Default: 0:wd(0,a)/boot/loader > boot: /kernel.A -d > Debugger("Boot flags requested debugger") > Stopped at 0xc0252c27: movl $0, 0xc031ed98 > db> gdb > Next trap will enter GDB remote protocol mode > db> s > > (3) On machine A, go to the compile directory: > > #gdb -g kernel.debug > > (kgdb) target remote /dev/cuaa0 > > Remote debugging using /dev/cuaa0 > Ignoring packet error, continuing... > Ignoring packet error, continuing... > Couldn't establish connection to remote target > Malformed response to offset query, timeout > > The serial cable is null-modem and has been tested with kermit. It is > connected to /dev/ttyd0 (com 1) of machine B and com 2 of machine A. > > I did not do "strip -x" because I assume this is done by FreeBSD 4.0 > automatically and the file debug.kernel is the one with symbols. > > Any help is appreciated. > I have just found the reason. I should specify the local serial port of the debugging machine. So I should use: (kgdb) target remote /dev/cuaa1 <-- do not use /dev/cuaa0 Now everything works fine. -Zhihui To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 12: 4:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6761518D for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:04:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA66988; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:03:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Zhihui Zhang Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help with remote debugging (gdb -k) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Zhihui Zhang wrote: > > After reading the handbook and some postings in the mailing list archive. > I still can not make remote debugging work. I basically did the following > on FreeBSD-current 4.0 (A is debugging machine, B is the target): > > (1) Build a debug kernel (options DDB and BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER) on box A. > The sio flag I used is 0x90 (I also tried 0x80). Ftp the file /kernel to > box B and renamed as /kernel.A this is correct > > (2) Boot the kernel /kernel.A on box B with -d option: Be warned that BDE reported that -d is partly broken in -current. (stack trace will fail) > > >>FreeBSD/i386 boot > Default: 0:wd(0,a)/boot/loader > boot: /kernel.A -d > Debugger("Boot flags requested debugger") > Stopped at 0xc0252c27: movl $0, 0xc031ed98 > db> gdb > Next trap will enter GDB remote protocol mode > db> s > > (3) On machine A, go to the compile directory: > > #gdb -g kernel.debug -g? I have a .gdbinti file in that dirtectory Here are the contents... file kernel.debug set remotebaud 9600 target remote /dev/cuaa0 > > (kgdb) target remote /dev/cuaa0 > > Remote debugging using /dev/cuaa0 > Ignoring packet error, continuing... > Ignoring packet error, continuing... > Couldn't establish connection to remote target > Malformed response to offset query, timeout > > The serial cable is null-modem and has been tested with kermit. It is > connected to /dev/ttyd0 (com 1) of machine B and com 2 of machine A. > > I did not do "strip -x" because I assume this is done by FreeBSD 4.0 > automatically and the file debug.kernel is the one with symbols. yes > > Any help is appreciated. I think you are right... > > -------------------------------------------------- > Zhihui Zhang. Please visit http://www.freebsd.org > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 12:12: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu (bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu [128.226.1.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE67415357 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:11:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zzhang@cs.binghamton.edu) Received: from sol.cs.binghamton.edu (cs1-gw.cs.binghamton.edu [128.226.171.72]) by bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA25342; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:56:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Zhihui Zhang To: Julian Elischer Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help with remote debugging (gdb -k) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Zhihui Zhang wrote: > > > (3) On machine A, go to the compile directory: > > > > #gdb -g kernel.debug > > -g? > This is a typo. It should be "gdb -k kernel.debug". I have just posted another message pointing out my mistakes. Thanks for your response. -Zhihui To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 12:57:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDD6153E6 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:57:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA70349; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:56:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:57:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Zhihui Zhang Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help with remote debugging (gdb -k) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG you don't need a -k either.. that's for core-files On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Zhihui Zhang wrote: > > > > On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Zhihui Zhang wrote: > > > > > (3) On machine A, go to the compile directory: > > > > > > #gdb -g kernel.debug > > > > -g? > > > This is a typo. It should be "gdb -k kernel.debug". I have just posted > another message pointing out my mistakes. Thanks for your response. > > -Zhihui > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 13:25:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mamba-e.gsfc.nasa.gov (mamba-e.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.166.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4A214C4B; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:25:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uhl@mamba-e.gsfc.nasa.gov) Received: (from uhl@localhost) by mamba-e.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA13617; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:25:46 -0400 (EDT) From: George Uhl Message-Id: <199908302025.QAA13617@mamba-e.gsfc.nasa.gov> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: natd and multicast tunnel Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: PBOQ+r6AgQNYctZ+bAZlqg== Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm running natd on a FreeBSD 3.2 router at home which receives internet service via a cable modem and provides translation for a host on the back-end of a 10bT ethernet LAN. The LAN is configured with the 192.168.1/24 address space. I'm using the "non-firewall" setting in /etc/rc.firewall: /sbin/ipfw -f flush /sbin/ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via xl0 /sbin/ipfw add pass all from any to any Unicast translation works fine. The problem occurs when providing concurrent multicast service. I'm using mrouted version 3.9-beta3 and tunneling multicast control traffic in addition to multicast data. I can run an sdr session on the back-end LAN host while running mrouted and natd and receive session advertisements. However, when I join a multicast session, my router's kernel panics with a page fault somewhere in the div_input function of /sys/netinet/ip_divert.c. div_input is called by ip_output. When I run mrouted stand-alone (i.e., without natd) the back-end host can join a session without crashing the router. I haven't tried to source multicast traffic from the back-end host since that should require natd to translate the source address. Is there a way to bypass natd for incoming tunneled multicast traffic? Outgoing multicast streams would still need to be translated prior to tunneling, right? Please reply via e-mail as I am not subscribing to these lists. Thanks, George Uhl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 13:54:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 258DE159A5 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:53:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.1) id GAA60652; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:56:54 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:56:54 +1000 From: John Birrell To: Doug Cc: "Andy V. Oleynik" , cjclark@home.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make aout-to-elf-build Failing Message-ID: <19990831065654.F36761@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> References: <199908300105.VAA23044@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> <37CA33DD.E000B798@prime.net.ua> <37CAADC6.611768E1@gorean.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <37CAADC6.611768E1@gorean.org>; from Doug on Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 09:13:58AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 09:13:58AM -0700, Doug wrote: > I've seen quite a few reports of this lately, and while this fixes it, it > shouldn't be necessary, should it? Has something changed in the 'make > upgrade' target recently? `make' has changed. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 15:58:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dt010nb9.san.rr.com (dt010nb9.san.rr.com [204.210.12.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B223157B2 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:58:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by dt010nb9.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10741; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:55:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:55:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug X-Sender: doug@dt010nb9.san.rr.com To: John Birrell Cc: "Andy V. Oleynik" , cjclark@home.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make aout-to-elf-build Failing In-Reply-To: <19990831065654.F36761@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, John Birrell wrote: > On Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 09:13:58AM -0700, Doug wrote: > > I've seen quite a few reports of this lately, and while this fixes it, it > > shouldn't be necessary, should it? Has something changed in the 'make > > upgrade' target recently? > > `make' has changed. Ok, that's the cause then, so what's the solution? :) And meanwhile is it going to hurt anything if I put a suggestion on my 'make upgrade' web page that users do 'make -DMACHINE_ARCH=i386 upgrade' as a temporary measure to get the thing to work? Thanks, Doug -- "My mama told me, my mama said, 'don't cry.' She said, 'you're too young a man to have as many women you got.' I looked at my mother dear and didn't even crack a smile. I said, 'If women kill me, I don't mind dyin!'" - John Belushi as "Joliet" Jake Blues, "I Don't Know" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 16:46: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EE315370 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:46:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16244; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:43:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:43:13 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Doug , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Please review: rc file changes Message-ID: <19990830164313.A16153@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <37C874C3.20AA6996@gorean.org> <80695.936001859@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i In-Reply-To: <80695.936001859@axl.noc.iafrica.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I've had a week-end away from a keyboard to think about this. The only > reason we have to use case statements for case-insensitive variable > testing is because sh(1) doesn't offer any upper/lower case handling Also so that common settings can be added. Besides "yes" and "no" there could be other forms of wanting and not wanting. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 17: 2:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dt010nb9.san.rr.com (dt010nb9.san.rr.com [204.210.12.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B817A1538C; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:02:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by dt010nb9.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11122; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:02:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:02:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug X-Sender: doug@dt010nb9.san.rr.com To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Sheldon Hearn , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Please review: rc file changes In-Reply-To: <19990830164313.A16153@relay.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, David O'Brien wrote: > > I've had a week-end away from a keyboard to think about this. The only > > reason we have to use case statements for case-insensitive variable > > testing is because sh(1) doesn't offer any upper/lower case handling > > Also so that common settings can be added. Besides "yes" and "no" there > could be other forms of wanting and not wanting. I'm all but done with the rc* files and moving on to the other places in /etc that use test currently. There are 6 states that take 99% of the cases into account: yes no !yes !no presence-of-a-variable absence-of-a-variable Frankly, I'm not sure what the proposed functions get us. Current tools take all of those possible conditions into account, and adding custom hacks for common cases will increase the likelihood of people writing extremely non-portable scripts with them. Maybe I'm missing something though... Also, keep in mind that it's not just case sensitivity that we're working with here. It's also the fact that case is a sh builtin, as opposed to test which is not. If you want to see what I've got so far check out http://gorean.org/rcfiles/ Doug -- "My mama told me, my mama said, 'don't cry.' She said, 'you're too young a man to have as many women you got.' I looked at my mother dear and didn't even crack a smile. I said, 'If women kill me, I don't mind dyin!'" - John Belushi as "Joliet" Jake Blues, "I Don't Know" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 17:34:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from switch.unixfreak.org (cx828557-b.orng1.occa.home.com [24.5.152.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D1514C94 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:34:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@switch.unixfreak.org) Received: (from dima@localhost) by switch.unixfreak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA42605 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:34:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908310034.RAA42605@switch.unixfreak.org> Subject: icmp raw sockets To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:34:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Dima Dorfman X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, i was reading some of the mailing list archives to get an answer to 'why dont icmp echo requests get passed to the raw sockets', and now that i have the answer i was wondering... is there a way to tell the kernel NOT to process echo/timestamp/mask requests and instead pass those to the raw sockets? i'm looking for a solution that doesnt involve kernel modifications. thanks in advance, --dima -- Dima Dorfman /-----------------------------------------------------\ | irc: eclipze@efnet/dalnet | whois: DD10140@internic | | email: dima@unixfreak.org | http: www.unixfreak.org | \-----------------------------------------------------/ finger dimad@unixfreak.org for public PGP key Windoze droolz. FreeBSD rulez. http://www.FreeBSD.org/ BeOS - develop on me... wait, what c compiler? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 18:13:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from coconut.itojun.org (coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0A015053; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:13:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itojun@itojun.org) Received: from kiwi.itojun.org (localhost.itojun.org [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id KAA14957; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:13:35 +0900 (JST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org To: core@freebsd.org Subject: KAME IPv6 and freebsd X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 From: itojun@iijlab.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----- =_aaaaaaaaaa0" Content-ID: <14898.936061703.0@coconut.itojun.org> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:13:35 +0900 Message-ID: <14955.936062015@coconut.itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <14898.936061703.1@coconut.itojun.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I heard that, some of you, got confused by recent news about additional NetBSD-core guys (me). The above fact does not change anything about KAME-FreeBSD relationship (I can only speak for KAME side though), because: - KAME project's goal is to provide IPv6/IPsec reference code to *BSD, so we of course continue to work on KAME/FreeBSD, KAME/BSDI, and KAME/NetBSD. We are trying to support KAME/OpenBSD (so that no major BSDs are left out from our support list). - KAME project is NOT itojun's personal project. It involves 8 core KAME guys and several other people. There are 3 KAME guys (incl. me) who has committer access to FreeBSD repository. So, the fact I became one of NetBSD-core does not mean anything to KAME project. - NetBSD merged KAME stack earlier because NetBSD have more strict "feature freeze" policy than FreeBSD (if I don't import now KAME will not be inclduded in NetBSD 1.5). FreeBSD has been waiting for unified-ipv6 to experience less "jumbo import" during IPv6 merge. And then, FreeBSD-IPv6 plan. Now (as attached), unified-ipv6 effort has settled down into KAME. so it should be okay to merge KAME (= unified-ipv6) into FreeBSD-current. There may be some changes that may trouble you during the first period of merging, but I think FreeBSD and KAME guys can work those technical issues out. KAME side is, I think, quite ready to merge. KAME side needs FreeBSD-core's word like "okay, go ahead", and direction about merger of IPsec part. itojun ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) by coconut.itojun.org (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id RAA29814 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:01:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 538) id 57A1315684; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C05E1CD8AC; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:53:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-security) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:53:35 -0700 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from coconut.itojun.org (coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4210915764 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:53:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itojun@itojun.org) Received: from kiwi.itojun.org (localhost.itojun.org [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id QAA29580; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:53:09 +0900 (JST) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: jkh's message of Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:42:46 MST. <4726.935379766@localhost> X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: IPsec/IPv6 From: itojun@iijlab.net Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:53:09 +0900 Message-ID: <29578.935394789@coconut.itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk X-Filter: mailagent [version 3.0 PL56] for itojun@itojun.org >> Bah, so FreeBSD will be InSecureBSD ? Well, so long as the ITAR bear >> stands around making grizzly noises at people, it seems. >I wouldn't count on that. As far as I can tell, what's holding KAME >integration up is the fact that they're not done merging with INRIA >yet. A news about NRL/INRIA/KAME merging (unified-ipv6). unified-ipv6 project has been in big trouble with manpower, design differences. Recently situations changed for all of us so here's the decision we have made. NRL decided to concentrates on IPsec (because in US not much interest in IPv6 than IPsec - people in US are lucky about IPv4 address space, it seems). INRIA will be doing future researches on top of KAME code. KAME agreed to add some knobs that helps INRIA to do their experiment. So, it is planned that KAME will have an alias: "unified-ipv6". KAME team is trying to ship KAME/OpenBSD and KAME/BSDI4 during this month or next month (September). KAME September 30th STABLE kit will officially have "unified-ipv6" alias on it. It is now okay to merge KAME code into FreeBSD, I believe. If you do not feel ready, I'll be visiting FreeBSDCon so let's talk about it there (but will cause 2 month delay from now). The biggest problem is how to keep mutiple repositories in sync. KAME (= unified-ipv6) code shares most of IPv6 code among *BSD platforms. If FreeBSD repository is modified after import, and that conflicts with content in KAME repository, we can't merge that back in. So I would like to suggest FreeBSD project to refrain from changing IPv6 part too much, for certain amount of time (*). Rather, please send diffs to KAME. >Once that happens, I'm more than happy to continue to lean on >Justice Maryln Patel's decision on crypto as free speach in the S.F. >Bay Area region. We've already talked to our lawyer, he said it >looked legit to him, and so we've been shipping crypto on our CDs for >over a year now. I even announced it back then, to almost no audience >reaction whatsoever. It seems that people like to get more excited >about the prospect of something being closed than it being opened >up. :) It now happened, so please contact Mr. Patel:-) KAME team really needs your suggestions on how to integrate crypto part. In case of NetBSD/KAME integration, we did like this: - place IPsec core part and AH part into cvs.netbsd.org (in US) - place ESP part and crypto algorithms (DES, Blowfish and whatever in cvs.fi.netbsd.org (in finland) We need some tricky symbolic link, or makefile/config hack for this separated repository (NetBSD has makefile and config hack). itojun (*) As a side note: actually, KAME and unified-ipv6 has been experiencing big trouble sharing IPv6 code among *BSD, due to FreeBSD's variable renaming like ifa_list (ifa_link on others) or time_second (why FreeBSD couldn't reuse time.tv_sec to hold this? I don't get it). I'd like propose to fix those back to more standard ones (ifa_link or time.tv_sec) for portability among *BSD. If you are okay, those changes will come with FreeBSD/KAME integration. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 18:48: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3930A153AD; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:47:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (tc14-216-180-35-199.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.35.199]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA29186; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:46:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37CB33EE.D9147801@airnet.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:46:22 -0500 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ray Hyatt Jr." Cc: "Matthew N. Dodd" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Its about that time of year again. (FreeBSD & MCA) References: <199908301558.LAA19290@heathers.stdio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ray Hyatt Jr. wrote: > > I have a few PS/2's (Mod 95 and Mod 80's) in my pile of junk, > I'll see what I can do about getting them booted with this new kernel. > A bunch of "typical" cards too (Serial, ethernet, token ring, SCSI, etc) > I dug up my stash of MCA stuff and came up with the following cards: A Token ring card (IBM), a NICps/2 Model PC3000 (82586 powered, 10Base-5 only), and a Etherlink/MC. Where is this kernel at? :-) Somebody got a URL? -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 20:33:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB9AF15149; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:32:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA46492; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:31:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:31:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Wes Peters Cc: Thomas David Rivers , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, kdrobnac@mission.mvnc.edu Subject: Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD??? In-Reply-To: <37CA00C4.95ACE5D7@softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, Wes Peters wrote: > > Trying to model the IA64 would have been a Manhattan Project sized task. > > But they've had PLENTY of time. HP had the 64-bit architecture defined > and a simulator underway in 1994, when Intel joined the project. The > Merced, which is a specific chip model with the 64-bit architecture and > x86 emulator, was originally supposed to ship in late 1997. > > > Honestly, I am wondering about Intel and HP's ability to really produce > > a reliable chip that had as many difficult-to-model features as the IA64 > > is supposed to have. I think that's the real reason that it's not > > actually being sampled. Your point on the 860 is very correct, but if > > they *could* have brought the IA64 out today with the features that they > > have been promising (at the speed they promised) it would have made the > > PowerPC and the Alpha look ill > > Uh, no, HP has already admitted that when Merced ships it will be slower > than current-generation PA-RISC CPUs. Which means it will also be slower > than Alpha, PowerPC, and UltraSPARC processors you can buy now. I was looking at some of the features they've been promising. That's why I made the comment about the difficult of modelling, because they'd be harder than hell to do, but *if* they got it to work, I'd expect a speedup from the features that was all out of proportion to mere clock speed comparison factors. Some of those features would make much more effective use of superscalar features than is now possible. ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD/i386 (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD/Alpha ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 21:28:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162F4153B8; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:28:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA15083; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:27:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Kris Kirby Cc: "Ray Hyatt Jr." , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Its about that time of year again. (FreeBSD & MCA) In-Reply-To: <37CB33EE.D9147801@airnet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Kris Kirby wrote: > I dug up my stash of MCA stuff and came up with the following cards: A > Token ring card (IBM), a NICps/2 Model PC3000 (82586 powered, 10Base-5 > only), and a Etherlink/MC. Where is this kernel at? :-) Somebody got a > URL? http://www.jurai.net/~winter/mca/mca-kernel.gz A boot floppy will be at: http://www.jurai.net/~winter/mca/mca-kern-1.2.flp http://www.jurai.net/~winter/mca/mca-kern-1.44.flp Get me the board ID numbers for each card (except the Etherlink/MC). I'll pull the ADF files and add the IDs and add the resource decoding bits to the drivers I'm writing. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 21:37:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7199E153B8; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:37:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA15260; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:37:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Eric Floerchinger Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Its about that time of year again. (FreeBSD & MCA) In-Reply-To: <9906635943DDD211A0250008C7911999043423@nts1bpb.albertsons.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Eric Floerchinger wrote: > I have two NCR system 3430's (P-66 MCA) and two NCR system 3432's > (486/66 MCA) with NCR SCSI cards (can't remember the chipset offhand). > I'll try out this kernel as soon as I get some time... I want to find > some sort of free UNIX that'll work on these beasts, the only thing I > can find is SCO. I've got boot disk images up now. I think the 1.2M image may default to serial console as its the image I burned for my model 77 boot disk. Make sure that you capture a complete verbose boot as that will have all the POS register dumps etc. Its also possible that the NCR machines won't return what I'm expecting from Int 0x15 func 0xc0 and if so the verbose boot messages will contain relevent debuging information. I've a pretty good idea that I've seen an NCR MCA box before and am kicking myself for letting it escape me. I'll check with the dealer and see if he still has it in the storeroom. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matthew N. Dodd [mailto:winter@jurai.net] > > Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 6:19 PM > > To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Its about that time of year again. (FreeBSD & MCA) > > > > > > But instead of lamely asking "Does FreeBSD support MCA?" or "When will > > someone finish MCA support?" (which I suppose is still a > > valid question.) > > I will ask another question; "Anyone want to see what I've > > got so far?" > > > > http://www.jurai.net/~winter/mca/ > > > > README.mca > > mca.diff > > mca.tar.gz > > > > MicroChannel Architecture System detected. > > ... > > mca0: on motherboard > > mca0: unknown card (id 0x8fda, enabled) at slot 1 > > ed0: io 0x280-0x29f mem > > 0xd0000-0xd3fff > > ed0: irq 10 on mca0 id 6fc2 slot 2 > > ed0: address 00:00:c0:31:94:30, type WD8003W/A (16 bit) > > ie0: <3Com EtherLink/MC Ethernet Adapter> io 0x300-0x307 mem > > 0xc0000-0xc5fff > > ie0: irq 9 on mca0 id 6042 slot 3 > > ie0: <3C523 R14> address 02:60:8c:da:15:ac > > mca0: unknown card (id 0xeeff, enabled) at slot 4 > > mca0: unknown card (id 0x8efe, enabled) at slot 5 > > ... > > > > Granted, I'm still having problems getting the (until now ISA only) > > drivers working with these cards but if_ed_mca is able to > > send packets and > > complain about device timeouts and the if_ie_mca driver does manage to > > blow up somewhere inside of ieinit(). :) > > > > Basically, I believe that I've got all the pieces needed for > > FreeBSD to > > support MCA devices, should any device drivers actually be > > written. I've > > got a pile of stuff I'm trying to work through here so > > drivers should show > > up at some point (I think the 'aha' driver for the aha1640 > > will work out > > of the box but I don't have one to test that theory on. Yet.) > > > > I'm planning on committing this stuff to -CURRENT in a week or two, or > > when I actually manage to get a driver working, whichever comes first. > > > > I'd really like a few other people to try booting a kernel > > with this code > > on any of the MCA systems they happen to have laying around > > just to make > > sure that my changes do indeed work on other hardware than my > > Model 77. > > > > If someone has a ABIOS block device driver code hiding on > > their hard disk > > I'd really like to look at it (I already know about the Mach3 stuff). > > > > Thanks! > > > > -- > > | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | > > FreeBSD/NetBSD | > > | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | > > ix86,sparc,pmax | > > | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | > > ISO8802.5 4ever | > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > > -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 23:18:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from kremvax.demos.su (kremvax.demos.su [194.87.0.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927CE15866 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:18:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sinbin.demos.su!bag@kremvax.demos.su) Received: by kremvax.demos.su (8.6.13/D) from 0@sinbin.demos.su [194.87.5.31] with ESMTP id KAA02648; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:18:11 +0400 Received: by sinbin.demos.su id KAA93522; (8.6.12/D) Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:17:22 +0400 From: bag@sinbin.demos.su (Alex G. Bulushev) Message-Id: <199908310617.KAA93522@sinbin.demos.su> Subject: Re: 3.2-s nfsv3/udp server daily panic In-Reply-To: <199908301625.JAA15225@apollo.backplane.com> from Matthew Dillon at "Aug 30, 1999 9:25: 9 am" To: dillon@apollo.backplane.com (Matthew Dillon) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:17:22 +0400 (MSD) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > : > :cvsuped 18 aug 1999 00:35 MSD > : > > I would definitely update it, but that may not be your problem. > > If you could email your mount setup (df output) and your kernel > configuration (dmesg output) I would appreciate it. > > If you are running softupdates, try turning it off (but I doubt this > is the problem). we dont run softupdate because of posible problems with nfs+softupdate > > This could be a new bug. > > -Matt > Matthew Dillon > df on nfsserver : Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/da0s1a 2977230 2137569 601483 78% / /dev/da1e 26113904 16289356 7735436 68% /public procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc df on one of nfsclients: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/da0s1a 1488607 1114748 254771 81% / procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc 10.0.1.2:/public/nfsroot 26113904 16289840 7734952 68% /public/nfsroot dmesg on nfsserver: Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE #0: Thu Aug 18 02:54:22 MSD 1999 root@:/usr/src/sys/compile/NFSSERVER Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz Timecounter "TSC" frequency 299942298 Hz CPU: Pentium II (299.94-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x634 Stepping = 4 Features=0x80fbff real memory = 536870912 (524288K bytes) avail memory = 519643136 (507464K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc028c000. Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0x03 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0x03 on pci0.1.0 chip2: rev 0x02 on pci0.9.0 ahc0: rev 0x01 int a irq 9 on pci0.11.0 ahc0: Using left over BIOS settings ahc0: aic7880 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs fxp0: rev 0x01 int a irq 9 on pci0.15.0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:a0:c9:1d:b3:df fxp1: rev 0x02 int a irq 11 on pci0.16.0 fxp1: Ethernet address 00:a0:c9:82:17:9f vga0: rev 0x00 on pci0.18.0 chip3: rev 0x01 on pci0.20.0 chip4: rev 0x01 on pci0.20.3 Probing for devices on PCI bus 1: Probing for devices on PCI bus 2: ahc1: rev 0x00 int a irq 10 on pci2.4.0 ahc1: aic7880 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs ahc2: rev 0x00 int a irq 5 on pci2.5.0 ahc2: aic7880 Wide Channel B, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 on isa sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard atkbd0 irq 1 on isa npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa Waiting 2 seconds for SCSI devices to settle da1 at ahc1 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da1: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da1: 26049MB (53349312 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 3320C) da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 4340MB (8888924 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 4340C) changing root device to da0s1a To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 23:44:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CBB158EF; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:43:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA33895; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:42:23 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199908310642.IAA33895@gratis.grondar.za> To: itojun@iijlab.net Cc: core@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KAME IPv6 and freebsd Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:42:22 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > KAME team really needs your suggestions on how to integrate crypto > part. In case of NetBSD/KAME integration, we did like this: > - place IPsec core part and AH part into cvs.netbsd.org (in US) > - place ESP part and crypto algorithms (DES, Blowfish and whatever > in cvs.fi.netbsd.org (in finland) > We need some tricky symbolic link, or makefile/config hack for this > separated repository (NetBSD has makefile and config hack). FreeBSD has the src/crypto directory for this purpose. It works in exactly the same way as src/contrib, but contains code that may get Americans into trouble if they export it, so I maintain a copy in South Africa (on internat.freebsd.org). I'll be very happy to work with you on this one. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 30 23:58:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from coconut.itojun.org (coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 530881535F; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:58:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itojun@itojun.org) Received: from kiwi.itojun.org (localhost.itojun.org [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id PAA18845; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:57:53 +0900 (JST) To: Mark Murray Cc: core@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: mark's message of Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:42:22 +0200. <199908310642.IAA33895@gratis.grondar.za> X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: Re: KAME IPv6 and freebsd From: itojun@iijlab.net Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:57:53 +0900 Message-ID: <18843.936082673@coconut.itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> KAME team really needs your suggestions on how to integrate crypto >> part. In case of NetBSD/KAME integration, we did like this: >> - place IPsec core part and AH part into cvs.netbsd.org (in US) >> - place ESP part and crypto algorithms (DES, Blowfish and whatever >> in cvs.fi.netbsd.org (in finland) >> We need some tricky symbolic link, or makefile/config hack for this >> separated repository (NetBSD has makefile and config hack). >FreeBSD has the src/crypto directory for this purpose. It works in >exactly the same way as src/contrib, but contains code that may >get Americans into trouble if they export it, so I maintain a copy >in South Africa (on internat.freebsd.org). >I'll be very happy to work with you on this one. Does it make sense to make src/crypto/sys for kernel code? (for IPsec we need crypto code *in kernel*). itojun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 0: 2:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F411532E; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:02:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA10339; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:01:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: itojun@iijlab.net Cc: Mark Murray , core@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KAME IPv6 and freebsd In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:57:53 +0900." <18843.936082673@coconut.itojun.org> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:01:47 -0700 Message-ID: <10335.936082907@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Does it make sense to make src/crypto/sys for kernel code? > (for IPsec we need crypto code *in kernel*). I'd say it makes a lot of sense. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 0: 4:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C1181582A; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:04:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA34086; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:04:10 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199908310704.JAA34086@gratis.grondar.za> To: itojun@iijlab.net Cc: core@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KAME IPv6 and freebsd Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:04:09 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >I'll be very happy to work with you on this one. > > Does it make sense to make src/crypto/sys for kernel code? > (for IPsec we need crypto code *in kernel*). I wonder... There was a contrib/sys (where softupdates went), and that got moved to sys/contrib. Perhaps something similar could be invented for src/crypto? We'd need to make the distibution machinery understand that, but I don't see too much a problem there. I have no strong feelings about src/crypto/sys or src/sys/crypto. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 0:28:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F264115031 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:28:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11LiI8-000Og7-00; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:25:16 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Warner Losh Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , Nick Hibma , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More than 32 signals. Thought? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:26:06 CST." <199908301826.MAA05144@harmony.village.org> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:25:16 +0200 Message-ID: <94866.936084316@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:26:06 CST, Warner Losh wrote: > : On LITTLE_ENDIAN machines? > > Endian shouldn't matter. Yup, it was the kind of stupid comment someone who doesn't actually know what's going on would make. ;-) I hadn't cottoned on to the notion of using an array. Thanks, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 0:44:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from not.demophon.com (ns.demophon.com [193.65.70.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8051512F for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:44:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@not.demophon.com) Received: (from will@localhost) by not.demophon.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id KAA72637; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:43:02 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from will) To: bright@wintelcom.net (Alfred Perlstein) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, gupz@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Sharing file descriptors References: <19990830142553.77697.qmail@hotmail.com> From: Ville-Pertti Keinonen Date: 31 Aug 1999 10:43:01 +0300 In-Reply-To: bright@wintelcom.net's message of "30 Aug 1999 17:53:23 +0300" Message-ID: <861zck1jlm.fsf@not.demophon.com> Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG bright@wintelcom.net (Alfred Perlstein) writes: > 1) file descriptor passing (described in Unix Network Programming Vol I) Or just read recv(2), search for SCM_RIGHTS. > 2) shared address fork (should be on http://lt.tar.com) Or just read rfork(2), and you don't need to share the address space. The general idea of software server redundancy seems a bit odd, though, debugging the software carefully and automatically restarting it on failures is generally a better idea. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 1: 7:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from tversu.ru (mail.tversu.ru [62.76.80.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B129714E5D for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:06:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vadim@tversu.ru) Received: from gala.tversu.ru (postfix@gala.tversu.ru [62.76.80.10]) by tversu.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11852; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:06:20 +0400 (MSD) Received: by gala.tversu.ru (Postfix, from userid 100) id 7DC897035; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:06:11 +0400 (MSD) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:06:11 +0400 From: Vadim Kolontsov To: "John W. DeBoskey" Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: seek to negative offset? Message-ID: <19990831120611.A14896@tversu.ru> References: <199908242025.QAA24724@bb01f39.unx.sas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <199908242025.QAA24724@bb01f39.unx.sas.com>; from John W. DeBoskey on Tue, Aug 24, 1999 at 04:25:26PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Aug 24, 1999 at 04:25:26PM -0400, John W. DeBoskey wrote: > The subject says it all... We have some code that scans files > backwards... > > In looking through /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_syscalls.c I can't see > where we do any validation on the resulting seek location... Do the > appropriate folks think this is a bug? How about posix? Should I > go ahead and submit a pr with a patch? I've just discovered kern/6184 (from Mar 1998, state: open). Seems like patch which fixes it was never commited. V. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 1:19:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [212.110.138.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A00153A3 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:17:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3/UCB) id LAA34368; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:13:23 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:13:23 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Dima Dorfman Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: icmp raw sockets Message-ID: <19990831111323.C12591@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> Mail-Followup-To: Dima Dorfman , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199908310034.RAA42605@switch.unixfreak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <199908310034.RAA42605@switch.unixfreak.org>; from Dima Dorfman on Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 05:34:00PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 05:34:00PM -0700, Dima Dorfman wrote: > hi, i was reading some of the mailing list archives to get an answer to > 'why dont icmp echo requests get passed to the raw sockets', and now that > i have the answer i was wondering... is there a way to tell the kernel NOT > to process echo/timestamp/mask requests and instead pass those to the raw > sockets? > > i'm looking for a solution that doesnt involve kernel modifications. > > thanks in advance, > --dima > divert(4)? -- Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA of the ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.247.647 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 1:43:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6E7151E0; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:43:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA28189; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:36:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: itojun@iijlab.net, Mark Murray , core@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KAME IPv6 and freebsd In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:01:47 PDT." <10335.936082907@localhost> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:36:29 +0200 Message-ID: <28187.936088589@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <10335.936082907@localhost>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: >> Does it make sense to make src/crypto/sys for kernel code? >> (for IPsec we need crypto code *in kernel*). > >I'd say it makes a lot of sense. Yes, but shouldn't it be src/sys/crypto if we want to have "kern-developer" still have a sensible meaning ? (and for all the other reasons which made us move src/contrib/sys to src/sys/contrib) -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 1:49:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from coconut.itojun.org (coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1F0158F7; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:49:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itojun@itojun.org) Received: from kiwi.itojun.org (localhost.itojun.org [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W/smtpfeed 1.00) with ESMTP id RAA20900; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:46:37 +0900 (JST) To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Mark Murray , core@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: phk's message of Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:36:29 +0200. <28187.936088589@critter.freebsd.dk> X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: Re: KAME IPv6 and freebsd From: itojun@iijlab.net Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:46:37 +0900 Message-ID: <20898.936089197@coconut.itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>> Does it make sense to make src/crypto/sys for kernel code? >>> (for IPsec we need crypto code *in kernel*). >>I'd say it makes a lot of sense. >Yes, but shouldn't it be src/sys/crypto if we want to have >"kern-developer" still have a sensible meaning ? (and for >all the other reasons which made us move src/contrib/sys to >src/sys/contrib) FYI, There are crypto-related files in the following locations. I'll take a detailed look into both repositories... itojun src/sys/netinet6/esp_output.c src/sys/netinet6/esp_input.c src/sys/netinet6/esp_core.c src/sys/crypto/cast128/cast128.c src/sys/crypto/cast128/cast128.h src/sys/crypto/cast128/cast128_cbc.c src/sys/crypto/cast128/cast128_subkey.h src/sys/crypto/blowfish/bf_cbc.c src/sys/crypto/blowfish/bf_cbc_m.c src/sys/crypto/blowfish/bf_enc.c src/sys/crypto/blowfish/bf_locl.h src/sys/crypto/blowfish/bf_pi.h src/sys/crypto/blowfish/bf_skey.c src/sys/crypto/blowfish/blowfish.h src/sys/crypto/des/des_3cbc.c src/sys/crypto/des/des.h src/sys/crypto/des/des_cbc.c src/sys/crypto/des/des_ecb.c src/sys/crypto/des/des_locl.h src/sys/crypto/des/des_setkey.c src/sys/crypto/des/podd.h src/sys/crypto/des/sk.h src/sys/crypto/des/spr.h To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 2:10:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E1914C37; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:09:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA34509; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:03:16 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199908310903.LAA34509@gratis.grondar.za> To: itojun@iijlab.net Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , core@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, jdp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KAME IPv6 and freebsd Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:03:15 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > FYI, There are crypto-related files in the following locations. > I'll take a detailed look into both repositories... Thanks! It makes the most sense to keep this exactly as it it, except for the files in src/sys/netinet6/ which should move to src/sys/crypto/ if they have crypto in them. Please do not import this until we (JDP!) gets the distribution channels crypto-happy. This is not difficult. > > itojun > > > src/sys/netinet6/esp_output.c > src/sys/netinet6/esp_input.c > src/sys/netinet6/esp_core.c > src/sys/crypto/cast128/cast128.c > src/sys/crypto/cast128/cast128.h > src/sys/crypto/cast128/cast128_cbc.c > src/sys/crypto/cast128/cast128_subkey.h > src/sys/crypto/blowfish/bf_cbc.c > src/sys/crypto/blowfish/bf_cbc_m.c > src/sys/crypto/blowfish/bf_enc.c > src/sys/crypto/blowfish/bf_locl.h > src/sys/crypto/blowfish/bf_pi.h > src/sys/crypto/blowfish/bf_skey.c > src/sys/crypto/blowfish/blowfish.h > src/sys/crypto/des/des_3cbc.c > src/sys/crypto/des/des.h > src/sys/crypto/des/des_cbc.c > src/sys/crypto/des/des_ecb.c > src/sys/crypto/des/des_locl.h > src/sys/crypto/des/des_setkey.c > src/sys/crypto/des/podd.h > src/sys/crypto/des/sk.h > src/sys/crypto/des/spr.h -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 2:35:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DF314C23; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:35:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA35003; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:33:50 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:33:50 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Mark Murray Cc: itojun@iijlab.net, core@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KAME IPv6 and freebsd In-Reply-To: <199908310704.JAA34086@gratis.grondar.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Mark Murray wrote: > > >I'll be very happy to work with you on this one. > > > > Does it make sense to make src/crypto/sys for kernel code? > > (for IPsec we need crypto code *in kernel*). > > I wonder... > > There was a contrib/sys (where softupdates went), and that got moved > to sys/contrib. > > Perhaps something similar could be invented for src/crypto? We'd need > to make the distibution machinery understand that, but I don't see > too much a problem there. > > I have no strong feelings about src/crypto/sys or src/sys/crypto. I would prefer src/sys/crypto. I tend to have a lot of kernel-only trees around for my work and the more self-contained they are the better. Moving softupdates into sys/crypto was a good thing (IMHO). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 2:58:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276EC150ED for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:58:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA00510; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:58:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , itojun@iijlab.net, Mark Murray , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KAME IPv6 and freebsd In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:36:29 +0200." <28187.936088589@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:58:02 -0700 Message-ID: <506.936093482@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hmmm. That's a point. I was thinking primarily of the "segregate the crypto" issue, but you're right that this would also put us back to the "bad old days" where sys/ was broken across multiple directories. Hmph. I guess common sense wins over ITAR in this case. :) - Jordan > In message <10335.936082907@localhost>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > >> Does it make sense to make src/crypto/sys for kernel code? > >> (for IPsec we need crypto code *in kernel*). > > > >I'd say it makes a lot of sense. > > Yes, but shouldn't it be src/sys/crypto if we want to have > "kern-developer" still have a sensible meaning ? (and for > all the other reasons which made us move src/contrib/sys to > src/sys/contrib) > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member > phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." > FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 3: 4:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B0A1549F for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 03:04:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA28663; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:01:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: itojun@iijlab.net, Mark Murray , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KAME IPv6 and freebsd In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:58:02 PDT." <506.936093482@localhost> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:01:45 +0200 Message-ID: <28661.936093705@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <506.936093482@localhost>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: >Hmmm. That's a point. I was thinking primarily of the "segregate the >crypto" issue, but you're right that this would also put us back to >the "bad old days" where sys/ was broken across multiple directories. > >Hmph. I guess common sense wins over ITAR in this case. :) That's certainly an improvement in that particular battle :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 3: 4:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D0414EB2; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 03:04:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA35103; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:02:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:02:06 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Sergey Babkin Cc: Mark Ovens , Thomas David Rivers , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, kdrobnac@mission.mvnc.edu Subject: Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD??? In-Reply-To: <37C8086A.2B9412FB@bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Sergey Babkin wrote: > Mark Ovens wrote: > > > > On Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 08:45:31PM -0400, Sergey Babkin wrote: > > > > > > > A funny thing is that Microsoft is porting essentially a > > > 32-bit version of Windows to Merced. All the programs for > > > Windows that want to use 64-bit support will have to be > > > modified because the MS compiler defines both int and long > > > as 32-bit. On the other hand the Unix compilers (at least > > > UnixWare and as far as I understood that's the common Unix > > > convention) provide a mode with 64-bit longs that gives > > > certain degree of 64-bit awareness just by recompiling. > > > > > > > marder-1:/usr/marko{57}% cat > size.c > > #include > > > > int main (void) > > { > > printf("short == %d\n", sizeof(short)); > > printf("int == %d\n", sizeof(int)); > > printf("long == %d\n", sizeof(long)); > > printf("long long == %d\n", sizeof(long long)); > > > > return(0); > > } > > ^D > > marder-1:/usr/marko{57}% cc !$ > > marder-1:/usr/marko{57}% ./a.out > > short == 2 > > int == 4 > > long == 4 > > long long == 8 > > marder-1:/usr/marko{57}% > > > > And the same is true on SunOS 4.1.x as well (although not 100% sure > > about "long long"). > > I was talking about compilers for the 64-bit machines. As far > as I understood to make porting easier the major Unix vendors > have agreed on 2 64-bit modes in addition to the compatibility > 32-bit mode: > > - 32-bit int, 32-bit long, 64-bit long long, 64-bit pointers > - 32-bit int, 64-bit long, 64-bit long long, 64-bit pointers > > While the 64-bit Windows NT has 32-bit int, 32-bit long, > 64-bit long long, 32-bit pointers, 64-bit some special > kind of pointers. Oh my god, please say it isn't true! Its the return of the Large Model... Much of my prejudices against Wintel were formed by trying to write programs in the large model. > > Although I may be confusing something. I sure hope so. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 3:16:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC1C14E66 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 03:16:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA35132; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:15:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:15:49 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Bjoern Fischer Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Matthew Dillon Subject: Re: readdir() broken? In-Reply-To: <19990829054029.B308@frolic.no-support.loc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, Bjoern Fischer wrote: > Hello Doug, hello Matthew, hello list members, > > there are some hints that readdir() in -STABLE has problems when > used on NFSv3 (UDP; and TCP probably, too) mounted file systems. > The reason may be the recovery code for stale READDIR cookies. > > The problem occurs when using GNU rm (fileutils-4.0) on our > systems (NFS servers and clients -STABLE) for deleting large > directory trees (e.g. egcs source tree). rm failed to delete > some directories: > > rm: cannot remove directory `egcs-1.1.2/gcc': Directory not empty > > I've roughly looked through the sources and found a workaround > for a readdir() bug on SunOS 4.1.4. The SunOS readdir() sometimes > returned NULL although there were still entries to be read when > a directory with more than 254 entries was previously modified. > The workaround rewound the directory stream and read it again. > > Interestingly this workaround also works for FreeBSD although > our readdir() passes the autoconfig tests that trigger the > workaround without a hinch. > > Attached is a patch for GNU fileutils-4.0 that will make rm > yield when the workaround code catches a bad readdir(). Are you using a FreeBSD port for GNU fileutils? If so, your patch should be directed to the port maintainer. I suggest that you also forward the patch to the GNU fileutils maintainers. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 3:22:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C13814E66 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 03:22:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA35160; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:21:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:21:00 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: "Andrew J. Korty" Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch In-Reply-To: <199908301502.KAA80087@galileo.physics.purdue.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Andrew J. Korty wrote: > > I suppose there already was a rather lengthy discussion about a "user"-option > > . > > I hope this sysctl-thing will make it into the mount-manpage, because if not, > > it might turn out to be a really FAQ :) > > -- > > Volker Stolz * stolz@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de * PGP > > I provided a solution via send-pr (bin/11031) over four months ago, > which is, in my opinion, superior in many ways to this sysctl > approach. The patch contains an amendment to the mount(1) manual > page. I have not reviewed this pr myself but it seems like a well thought out change to the system. Would the people who are involved with the current (more limited) proposed change like to review this and possibly use it instead. I don't want to lose anyones work here if it could be useful. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 3:22:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DDC158F9 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 03:22:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA35164; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:23:14 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:23:14 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Francis Jordan Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: More than 32 signals. Thought? In-Reply-To: <37CABABF.33E13FF@netscape.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Francis Jordan wrote: > Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > > > [cc'd to David E. Cross (crossd@cs.rpi.edu) and James Raynard > > (jraynard@freebsd.org)] > > > > I'm thinking about extending the number of signals. I like your thoughts > > and opinions. > > > > Basicly what I'm going to do is rewrite the signalling code to use a new > > sigset_t and provide new syscalls to use it. The current syscalls convert > > between the current and the new types for compatibility. I think I'm going > > to borrow a thought or two from Linux which allows further increasing of > > the number of signals without rewriting the logic, but that's basicly > > undecided yet and open for discussion. > > > Do as NetBSD does to remain compatible? Or borrow a few thoughts from > Solaris, which also has 128 signals: > > typedef struct { /* signal set type */ > unsigned long __sigbits[4]; > } sigset_t; Please be careful with your datatypes when formulating this. If you are going to pack 32 signals into one field, make it u_int32_t, not int or long. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 4:21:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wantech.se (mail.wantech.se [195.24.162.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D2EBB150EE for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 04:21:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anders@sanyusan.se) Received: (qmail 948 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1999 11:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO enterprise.sanyusan.se) (192.168.103.66) by mail.wantech.se with SMTP; 31 Aug 1999 11:19:01 -0000 Received: by enterprise.sanyusan.se (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0027C49082; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:14:46 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:14:46 +0200 From: Anders Andersson To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: Nik Clayton , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ndc(8) Message-ID: <19990831131446.A9275@enterprise.sanyusan.se> References: <19990826100201.A33426@enterprise.sanyusan.se> <19990826212016.D86126@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <19990829142950.D47956@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i In-Reply-To: <19990829142950.D47956@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai (asmodai@wxs.nl) [990829 14:40]: > They shouldn't. > > That's what we have /var for like you said. OK, I totally agree that named should dump to /var/somegoodpath but this I guess falls out of my own hacking limits. I think we need a desiscion if to move named dumps from /etc/namedb to /var/namedb perhaps. And where does a default named dump it? Any commiter that can decide this? Anders -- Anders Andersson anders@sanyusan.se Sanyusan International AB http://www.sanyusan.se/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 4:53:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.scc.nl (node1374.a2000.nl [62.108.19.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC2715234 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 04:53:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-hackers@scc.nl) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by mail.scc.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA63846 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:38:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd-hackers@scc.nl) Received: from GATEWAY by dwarf.hq.scc.nl with netnews for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:38:12 +0200 From: Marcel Moolenaar Message-ID: <37CBBEA4.C03DB96E@scc.nl> Organization: SCC vof Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37CABABF.33E13FF@netscape.net>, Subject: Re: More than 32 signals. Thought? Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doug Rabson wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Francis Jordan wrote: > > > Do as NetBSD does to remain compatible? Or borrow a few thoughts from > > Solaris, which also has 128 signals: > > > > typedef struct { /* signal set type */ > > unsigned long __sigbits[4]; > > } sigset_t; > > Please be careful with your datatypes when formulating this. If you are > going to pack 32 signals into one field, make it u_int32_t, not int or > long. I also was not quite happy with the choice of type for __sigbits. Is it worth having __sigbits to be the size that most suits the architecture (32 for i386; 64 for alpha) because of the frequent bit manipulations that are expected to be performed with it? -- Marcel Moolenaar mailto:marcel@scc.nl SCC Internetworking & Databases http://www.scc.nl/ Amsterdam, The Netherlands tel: +31 20 4200655 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 5:20:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from coconut.itojun.org (coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C71D15095 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 05:20:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itojun@itojun.org) Received: from kiwi.itojun.org (localhost.itojun.org [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id VAA23630; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:18:18 +0900 (JST) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: jkh's message of Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:58:02 MST. <506.936093482@localhost> X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: Re: KAME IPv6 and freebsd From: itojun@iijlab.net Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:18:18 +0900 Message-ID: <23628.936101898@coconut.itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Hmmm. That's a point. I was thinking primarily of the "segregate the >crypto" issue, but you're right that this would also put us back to >the "bad old days" where sys/ was broken across multiple directories. >Hmph. I guess common sense wins over ITAR in this case. :) Yes, this is very pity... Hoping to see more open US export policy in the near future. KAME has "options IPSEC" (framework, authentication and compression) and "options IPSEC_ESP" (encryption) separately defined. Therefore, even if you do not have access to South Africa, you can use AH and IPComp. itojun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 5:44:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9122A15910 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 05:44:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.1) id WAA64366; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:49:30 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:49:30 +1000 From: John Birrell To: Doug Cc: John Birrell , "Andy V. Oleynik" , cjclark@home.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make aout-to-elf-build Failing Message-ID: <19990831224930.I36761@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> References: <19990831065654.F36761@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: ; from Doug on Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 03:55:42PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 03:55:42PM -0700, Doug wrote: > > `make' has changed. > > Ok, that's the cause then, so what's the solution? :) And > meanwhile is it going to hurt anything if I put a suggestion on my 'make > upgrade' web page that users do 'make -DMACHINE_ARCH=i386 upgrade' as a > temporary measure to get the thing to work? The solution is to fix `make'. I could commit the fix, but I'm not in a position to build -stable just now. I'm not supposed to commit without testing. The fix looks straight forward though, so "it should just work". 8-) -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 7:13:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (oberon.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [195.178.136.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA4D14CB0 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:12:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua) Received: from comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (eth0.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.0.1.184]) by relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.NYB/8.NYB) with ESMTP id RAA47833 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:10:45 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from simon@comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua) Received: from comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (c514-8.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.18.54.58]) by comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.9.2/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA31792 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:10:10 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from simon@comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua) Message-ID: <37CBD54A.4C9494E6@comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:14:52 +0400 From: Andrey Simonenko X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: New boot loader Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I developed boot loader, which is more powerful and looks better than boot loader, which is usually installed with FreeBSD release. I used it for a long time and decided to send it to FreeBSD. I haven't own home page and can't give you URL where you can read information about my boot loader. So, here it is some lines from README (as description) and UUEencoded full packet of my boot loader. Please analyze this and say what you think about it. Sorry, if you aren't interesting in my boot loader and I took some your time. - 1---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: What is UNILOAD? A: UNILOAD (UNIversal LOADer) is a program, which allows to boot OS from any partition from any of 4 hard disk. It is a replacement for the ordinary master boot record. - 3---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: You said that UNILOAD takes more than one sector on hard disk. So, it uses MBR and some sectors. Does it damage my information? A: Usually first partition on hard disk begin from track 0 head 1 sector 1 and some sectors from track 0 head 0 sector 1 to track 0 head 1 sector 1 are free. That's why it doesn't damage your information. - 5---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: How can I be sure that UNILOAD didn't damage my information? A: When you run UNILOAD install program it will check your partition table and inform you about problems. - 6---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: What does it look like? A: On my computer it looks like: Booted from hdd0: >00: DOS 16-bit >=32< 02: Linux native 03: BSD/386 Command [press m for help]: _ String >...< really is highlighted bar. I can choose partition by arrows and make bootstrap by pressing button. Also it's possible to press and view additional options. - 7---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: I have got 2 (3, 4) hard disks. Is it possible to boot OS from second (third, fourth) disk? A: Yes. UNILOAD automatically detects all hard disks on you computer. You can boot from any partition from any of 4 hard disks. First digit in string shows number of hard disk, second digit represents number of partition on that disk. -28---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: Can the author give any warranty? Can I give UNILOAD to somebody? A: No, I can't give you any warranty. You should not pay any money for this version of UNILOAD. With UNILOAD binary and install program you should received sources. If you has sources you can analyze them and recompile, so you know what you use. 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M24Q/040N0D%44$L!`A0`%``"``@`)U5W!583'```>V<```D````````` M`0`@````&"8``$E.4U1!3$PN0U!+`0(4`!0``@`(`'2E'B>SE$R2FDH``-.# M```+````````````(````%)"``!)3E-404Q,+D5815!+`0(4`!0``@`(`**% M'R?EWHFXE`4``#D(```+````````````(````!6-``!53DE,3T%$+D))3E!+ 4!08`````!P`'`(@!``#2D@`````` ` end To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 8:27:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dt011n65.san.rr.com (dt010nb9.san.rr.com [204.210.12.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2114E153F3 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:27:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt011n65.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA17654; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:27:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <37CBF444.CBB1DA02@gorean.org> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:27:00 -0700 From: Doug Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT-0826 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Birrell Cc: "Andy V. Oleynik" , cjclark@home.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make aout-to-elf-build Failing References: <19990831065654.F36761@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> <19990831224930.I36761@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Birrell wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 03:55:42PM -0700, Doug wrote: > > > `make' has changed. > > > > Ok, that's the cause then, so what's the solution? :) And > > meanwhile is it going to hurt anything if I put a suggestion on my 'make > > upgrade' web page that users do 'make -DMACHINE_ARCH=i386 upgrade' as a > > temporary measure to get the thing to work? > > The solution is to fix `make'. I could commit the fix, but I'm not > in a position to build -stable just now. I'm not supposed to commit > without testing. The fix looks straight forward though, so "it > should just work". 8-) If all it takes is a make world (as opposed to make upgrade) I can test it if you'll send me the patch. I'm on 3.2-Stable as of 8/8 right now. Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 8:55:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from backup.af.speednet.com.au (af.speednet.com.au [202.135.206.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D6414FE8; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:55:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by backup.af.speednet.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA46841; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:51:39 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:51:38 +1000 (EST) From: Andy Farkas X-Sender: andyf@localhost To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD & MCA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Righty-o, I've finally got a kernel to boot on my MCA box! Yay! Its a rather large "Apricot FTs 486" with the Panther Rev F MB: http://www.mitsubishi-computers.com/insight/en/products/servers/fts/ftsmain.htm It is currently running NT4 (SP5) with all the adapters in it recognised and supported. It is also known to run OS/2 Warp 4, and I once briefly had Solaris 2.4 (x86) on it. Here is what happened while trying to boot FreeBSD... Firstly, the keyboard did not work! It loaded the kernel, and then asked for the mfs disk and said 'press enter to continue' but the keyboard doesn't do anything. The num-lock and caps-locks LEDs do not toggle either. Ok, so I boot using a serial console... yay! I can continue with loading the mfs disk! It loads, then says "booting in n seconds...", I press enter, it starts probing! Yay! Oh, hang on, its hanged :( Hmmm. It hangs while probing npx. Ok... vi src/sys/i386/isa/npx.c ... hmmm, lets bypass that "if ((status & 0xb8ff) == 0)" bit and just return 0 - we'll use the emulator... Tada!!! Well, almost... it doesn't grok the AHA-1640 and no disks are found. I will play with your driver over the next couple of days. In case it helps, here is what is in the machine: Motherboard - 8Mb RAM, com1, lpt1, standard VGA slot 1 - Hypertec HyperPort [3 serial, 1 parallel] port: 2f8 irq 3 [only com2 is enabled] slot 2 - AHA-1640 SCSI Host Adapter port: 330 irq 15 dma 4 rom dc00 slot 3 - Hyperam MC 32/16 [32Mb RAM] EMS window: c000-c3ff slot 4 - 3Com EtherLink/MC port: 300 irq 12 rom c800 slot 5 - Hyperam MC 32/16 [23Mb RAM] EMS window: c400-c7ff slot 6 - BusLogic 32bit BusMaster MCA-to-SCSI Host Adapter (v1.42a) port: 334 irq 14 dma 5 slot 7 - BusLogic...[same as above] port: 234 irq 11 dma 6 slot 8 - BusLogic...[same as above] port: 134 irq 10 dma 7 [there are 11 scsi disks spread across the 4 controllers] And now finally to the nitty-gritty: Here is the output from a successfull boot: [options KBDIO_DEBUG, NPX_DEBUG, DIAGNOSTIC, DEBUG are also in kernel] [start script] Console: serial port BIOS drive A: is disk0 BIOS drive C: is disk1 BIOS drive D: is disk2 FreeBSD/i386 bootstrap loader, Revision 0.7 639/63488kB (jkh@cathair, Tue May 18 03:22:02 GMT 1999) kernel text=0x1289fb data=0x1c478+0x19d5c syms=[0x4+0x1e780+0x4+0x201fb] Please insert MFS root floppy and press enter: Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. Booting [kernel] in 9 seconds... Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help. disk0s4a:> disk0s4a:> boot -v Copyright (c) 1992-1999 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #4: Tue Aug 31 17:39:32 EST 1999 root@doohan.af.speednet.com.au:/fast1/src/sys/compile/MCA Calibrating clock(s) ... i8254 clock: 1193221 Hz CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION not specified - using default frequency Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: i486 DX2 (486-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x435 Stepping = 5 Features=0x3 real memory = 66060288 (64512K bytes) Physical memory chunk(s): 0x00001000 - 0x0009efff, 647168 bytes (158 pages) 0x00589000 - 0x03efdfff, 60248064 bytes (14709 pages) avail memory = 58454016 (57084K bytes) BIOS SDT: model 0xf8, submodel 0x1b, bios_rev 0x00 BIOS SDT: features 0xf6 MicroChannel Architecture System detected. Other BIOS signatures found: ACPI: 00000000 Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0570000. Preloaded mfs_root "/mfsroot" at 0xc057009c. Math emulator present npx_probe: start npx_probe1: start npx_probe1: device_set_desc npx_probe1: fnstsw npx_probe1: status $0 npx_probe1: end npx_probe: end npx0: on motherboard npx0: 387 emulator mca_probe... POS REG 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 ----------------------------------- mca slot 1: 8f 60 b1 02 fd 60 ff ff mca slot 2: 1f 0f 01 3b ff b4 ff ff mca slot 3: 07 70 03 bf 88 ff 08 00 mca slot 4: 42 60 09 01 ff ff ff ff mca slot 5: 07 70 45 bf c9 ff 08 00 mca slot 6: 08 07 1d 03 f7 c5 ff ff mca slot 7: 08 07 17 02 00 46 00 30 mca slot 8: 08 07 15 01 00 47 00 30 mca0: on motherboard mca0: unknown card (id 0x608f, enabled) at slot 1 mca0: unknown card (id 0x0f1f, enabled) at slot 2 mca0: unknown card (id 0x7007, enabled) at slot 3 mca0: unknown card (id 0x6042, enabled) at slot 4 mca0: unknown card (id 0x7007, enabled) at slot 5 mca0: unknown card (id 0x0708, enabled) at slot 6 mca0: unknown card (id 0x0708, enabled) at slot 7 mca0: unknown card (id 0x0708, enabled) at slot 8 isa0: on motherboard fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 aha0: INQUIRE failed 28 aha0: Geometry Register test failed 0x15 aha0: status reg test failed ff aha0: Geometry Register test failed 0x15 aha0: status reg test failed ff aha0: Geometry Register test failed 0x15 atkbdc0: at port 0x60-0x6f on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 atkbd: the current kbd controller command byte 0065 kbdc: new command byte:0064 (set_controller...) atkbd: keyboard ID 0x41ab (2) kbdc: RESET_KBD return code:00fa kbdc: RESET_KBD status:00aa kbdc: new command byte:0065 (set_controller...) kbd0: atkbd0, AT 101/102 (2), config:0x0, flags:0x1d0000 psm0: current command byte:0065 kbdc: new command byte:0054 (set_controller...) kbdc: TEST_AUX_PORT status:0000 kbdc: RESET_AUX return code:00fe kbdc: RESET_AUX return code:00fe kbdc: RESET_AUX return code:00fe kbdc: DIAGNOSE status:0055 kbdc: TEST_KBD_PORT status:0000 kbdc: new command byte:0065 (set_controller...) psm0: failed to reset the aux device. vga0: at port 0x3b0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 fb0: vga0, vga, type:VGA (5), flags:0x7007f fb0: port:0x3b0-0x3df, crtc:0x3d4, mem:0xa0000 0x20000 fb0: init mode:24, bios mode:3, current mode:24 fb0: window:0xc00b8000 size:32k gran:32k, buf:0 size:32k VGA parameters upon power-up 50 18 10 00 00 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81 bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 07 80 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff VGA parameters in BIOS for mode 24 50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81 bf 1f 00 4f 06 07 00 00 00 00 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff EGA/VGA parameters to be used for mode 24 50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81 bf 1f 00 4f 06 07 00 00 00 00 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> sc0: fb0 kbd0 sio0: irq maps: 0x1 0x11 0x1 0x1 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A, console sio1: irq maps: 0x1 0x9 0x1 0x1 sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 sio1: type 16450 ppc: parallel port found at 0x3bc ppc: chipset forced to generic ppc0: SPP ppc0 at port 0x3bc-0x3c3 irq 7 flags 0x40 on isa0 isa_compat: didn't get ports for ppc ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode plip: irq 7 plip0: on ppbus 0 bpf: lp0 attached lpt0: on ppbus 0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus 0 BIOS Geometries: 0:00000000 0..0=1 cylinders, 0..0=1 heads, 1..0=0 sectors 1:00000000 0..0=1 cylinders, 0..0=1 heads, 1..0=0 sectors 2:00000000 0..0=1 cylinders, 0..0=1 heads, 1..0=0 sectors 3:00000000 0..0=1 cylinders, 0..0=1 heads, 1..0=0 sectors 4:00000000 0..0=1 cylinders, 0..0=1 heads, 1..0=0 sectors 5:00000000 0..0=1 cylinders, 0..0=1 heads, 1..0=0 sectors 6:00000000 0..0=1 cylinders, 0..0=1 heads, 1..0=0 sectors 7:00000000 0..0=1 cylinders, 0..0=1 heads, 1..0=0 sectors 0 accounted for Device configuration finished. Considering MFS root f/s. bpf: sl0 attached bpf: ppp0 attached new masks: bio 40080040, tty 4003009a, net 4007009a bpf: lo0 attached rootfs is 2880 Kbyte compiled in MFS start_init: trying /sbin/init start_init: trying /sbin/oinit start_init: trying /sbin/init.bak start_init: trying /stand/sysinstall /stand/sysinstall running as init on serial console These are the predefined terminal types available to sysinstall when running stand-alone. Please choose the closest match for your particular terminal. 1 ...................... Standard ANSI terminal. 2 ...................... VT100 or compatible terminal. 3 ...................... FreeBSD system console (color). 4 ...................... FreeBSD system console (monochrome). Your choice: (1-4) -- :{ andyf@speednet.com.au Andy Farkas System Administrator Speednet Communications http://www.speednet.com.au/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 9:25:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3CC14E84; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:25:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA09821; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:24:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Andy Farkas Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD & MCA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Andy Farkas wrote: > Righty-o, I've finally got a kernel to boot on my MCA box! Yay! > > Its a rather large "Apricot FTs 486" with the Panther Rev F MB: > > http://www.mitsubishi-computers.com/insight/en/products/servers/fts/ftsmain.htm Ah! This is good since it means that Int 0x15 Func 0xc0 detects non-PS/2 machines correctly. The 'BIOS SDT: ...' lines are what we're looking at for this. Since you were good enough to capture an entire verbose boot and transcribed the config of all your cards I'll be able to get working on the Buslogic probe/attach bits. > It is currently running NT4 (SP5) with all the adapters in it recognised > and supported. It is also known to run OS/2 Warp 4, and I once briefly > had Solaris 2.4 (x86) on it. > > Here is what happened while trying to boot FreeBSD... > > Firstly, the keyboard did not work! It loaded the kernel, and then asked > for the mfs disk and said 'press enter to continue' but the keyboard > doesn't do anything. The num-lock and caps-locks LEDs do not toggle > either. > > Ok, so I boot using a serial console... yay! I can continue with loading > the mfs disk! It loads, then says "booting in n seconds...", I press > enter, it starts probing! Yay! Oh, hang on, its hanged :( > > Hmmm. It hangs while probing npx. > > Ok... vi src/sys/i386/isa/npx.c ... hmmm, lets bypass that > "if ((status & 0xb8ff) == 0)" bit and just return 0 - we'll > use the emulator... Weird. I have no idea what the deal is there. > Tada!!! > > Well, almost... it doesn't grok the AHA-1640 and no disks are found. I > will play with your driver over the next couple of days. Hummm... I know there are some issues with DMA channels. Did I maybe forget to mention adding the line to sys/i386/conf/files.i386? i386/mca/aha_mca.c optional mca aha Add that and make sure you have: controller aha0 to your config file. I should probably compile the MCA bus support as a module and compile the drivers as modules as well to make testing a tad easier. > In case it helps, here is what is in the machine: > > Motherboard - 8Mb RAM, com1, lpt1, standard VGA > > slot 1 - Hypertec HyperPort [3 serial, 1 parallel] > port: 2f8 irq 3 [only com2 is enabled] > > slot 2 - AHA-1640 SCSI Host Adapter > port: 330 irq 15 dma 4 rom dc00 > > slot 3 - Hyperam MC 32/16 [32Mb RAM] > EMS window: c000-c3ff > > slot 4 - 3Com EtherLink/MC > port: 300 irq 12 rom c800 > > slot 5 - Hyperam MC 32/16 [23Mb RAM] > EMS window: c400-c7ff > > slot 6 - BusLogic 32bit BusMaster MCA-to-SCSI Host Adapter (v1.42a) > port: 334 irq 14 dma 5 > > slot 7 - BusLogic...[same as above] > port: 234 irq 11 dma 6 > > slot 8 - BusLogic...[same as above] > port: 134 irq 10 dma 7 > > [there are 11 scsi disks spread across the 4 controllers] > > > And now finally to the nitty-gritty: > > Here is the output from a successfull boot: > > [options KBDIO_DEBUG, NPX_DEBUG, DIAGNOSTIC, DEBUG are also in kernel] > > [start script] > Console: serial port > BIOS drive A: is disk0 > BIOS drive C: is disk1 > BIOS drive D: is disk2 > > FreeBSD/i386 bootstrap loader, Revision 0.7 639/63488kB > (jkh@cathair, Tue May 18 03:22:02 GMT 1999) > kernel text=0x1289fb data=0x1c478+0x19d5c syms=[0x4+0x1e780+0x4+0x201fb] > > Please insert MFS root floppy and press enter: > > Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. > Booting [kernel] in 9 seconds... > > Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help. > disk0s4a:> > disk0s4a:> boot -v > Copyright (c) 1992-1999 The FreeBSD Project. > Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #4: Tue Aug 31 17:39:32 EST 1999 > root@doohan.af.speednet.com.au:/fast1/src/sys/compile/MCA > Calibrating clock(s) ... i8254 clock: 1193221 Hz > CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION not specified - using default frequency > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz > CPU: i486 DX2 (486-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x435 Stepping = 5 > Features=0x3 > real memory = 66060288 (64512K bytes) > Physical memory chunk(s): > 0x00001000 - 0x0009efff, 647168 bytes (158 pages) > 0x00589000 - 0x03efdfff, 60248064 bytes (14709 pages) > avail memory = 58454016 (57084K bytes) > BIOS SDT: model 0xf8, submodel 0x1b, bios_rev 0x00 > BIOS SDT: features 0xf6 > MicroChannel Architecture System detected. > Other BIOS signatures found: > ACPI: 00000000 > Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0570000. > Preloaded mfs_root "/mfsroot" at 0xc057009c. > Math emulator present > npx_probe: start > npx_probe1: start > npx_probe1: device_set_desc > npx_probe1: fnstsw > npx_probe1: status $0 > npx_probe1: end > npx_probe: end > npx0: on motherboard > npx0: 387 emulator > mca_probe... > POS REG 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 > ----------------------------------- > mca slot 1: 8f 60 b1 02 fd 60 ff ff > mca slot 2: 1f 0f 01 3b ff b4 ff ff > mca slot 3: 07 70 03 bf 88 ff 08 00 > mca slot 4: 42 60 09 01 ff ff ff ff > mca slot 5: 07 70 45 bf c9 ff 08 00 > mca slot 6: 08 07 1d 03 f7 c5 ff ff > mca slot 7: 08 07 17 02 00 46 00 30 > mca slot 8: 08 07 15 01 00 47 00 30 > mca0: on motherboard > mca0: unknown card (id 0x608f, enabled) at slot 1 > mca0: unknown card (id 0x0f1f, enabled) at slot 2 > mca0: unknown card (id 0x7007, enabled) at slot 3 > mca0: unknown card (id 0x6042, enabled) at slot 4 > mca0: unknown card (id 0x7007, enabled) at slot 5 > mca0: unknown card (id 0x0708, enabled) at slot 6 > mca0: unknown card (id 0x0708, enabled) at slot 7 > mca0: unknown card (id 0x0708, enabled) at slot 8 > isa0: on motherboard > fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 > fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold > fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 > aha0: INQUIRE failed 28 > aha0: Geometry Register test failed 0x15 > aha0: status reg test failed ff > aha0: Geometry Register test failed 0x15 > aha0: status reg test failed ff > aha0: Geometry Register test failed 0x15 > atkbdc0: at port 0x60-0x6f on isa0 > atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 > atkbd: the current kbd controller command byte 0065 > kbdc: new command byte:0064 (set_controller...) > atkbd: keyboard ID 0x41ab (2) > kbdc: RESET_KBD return code:00fa > kbdc: RESET_KBD status:00aa > kbdc: new command byte:0065 (set_controller...) > kbd0: atkbd0, AT 101/102 (2), config:0x0, flags:0x1d0000 > psm0: current command byte:0065 > kbdc: new command byte:0054 (set_controller...) > kbdc: TEST_AUX_PORT status:0000 > kbdc: RESET_AUX return code:00fe > kbdc: RESET_AUX return code:00fe > kbdc: RESET_AUX return code:00fe > kbdc: DIAGNOSE status:0055 > kbdc: TEST_KBD_PORT status:0000 > kbdc: new command byte:0065 (set_controller...) > psm0: failed to reset the aux device. > vga0: at port 0x3b0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 > fb0: vga0, vga, type:VGA (5), flags:0x7007f > fb0: port:0x3b0-0x3df, crtc:0x3d4, mem:0xa0000 0x20000 > fb0: init mode:24, bios mode:3, current mode:24 > fb0: window:0xc00b8000 size:32k gran:32k, buf:0 size:32k > VGA parameters upon power-up > 50 18 10 00 00 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81 > bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 07 80 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 > b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c > 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff > VGA parameters in BIOS for mode 24 > 50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81 > bf 1f 00 4f 06 07 00 00 00 00 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 > b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c > 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff > EGA/VGA parameters to be used for mode 24 > 50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81 > bf 1f 00 4f 06 07 00 00 00 00 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 > b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c > 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff > sc0: on isa0 > sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> > sc0: fb0 kbd0 > sio0: irq maps: 0x1 0x11 0x1 0x1 > sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 > sio0: type 16550A, console > sio1: irq maps: 0x1 0x9 0x1 0x1 > sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 > sio1: type 16450 > ppc: parallel port found at 0x3bc > ppc: chipset forced to generic > ppc0: SPP > ppc0 at port 0x3bc-0x3c3 irq 7 flags 0x40 on isa0 > isa_compat: didn't get ports for ppc > ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode > plip: irq 7 > plip0: on ppbus 0 > bpf: lp0 attached > lpt0: on ppbus 0 > lpt0: Interrupt-driven port > ppi0: on ppbus 0 > BIOS Geometries: > 0:00000000 0..0=1 cylinders, 0..0=1 heads, 1..0=0 sectors > 1:00000000 0..0=1 cylinders, 0..0=1 heads, 1..0=0 sectors > 2:00000000 0..0=1 cylinders, 0..0=1 heads, 1..0=0 sectors > 3:00000000 0..0=1 cylinders, 0..0=1 heads, 1..0=0 sectors > 4:00000000 0..0=1 cylinders, 0..0=1 heads, 1..0=0 sectors > 5:00000000 0..0=1 cylinders, 0..0=1 heads, 1..0=0 sectors > 6:00000000 0..0=1 cylinders, 0..0=1 heads, 1..0=0 sectors > 7:00000000 0..0=1 cylinders, 0..0=1 heads, 1..0=0 sectors > 0 accounted for > Device configuration finished. > Considering MFS root f/s. > bpf: sl0 attached > bpf: ppp0 attached > new masks: bio 40080040, tty 4003009a, net 4007009a > bpf: lo0 attached > rootfs is 2880 Kbyte compiled in MFS > start_init: trying /sbin/init > start_init: trying /sbin/oinit > start_init: trying /sbin/init.bak > start_init: trying /stand/sysinstall > /stand/sysinstall running as init on serial console > > These are the predefined terminal types available to > sysinstall when running stand-alone. Please choose the > closest match for your particular terminal. > > 1 ...................... Standard ANSI terminal. > 2 ...................... VT100 or compatible terminal. > 3 ...................... FreeBSD system console (color). > 4 ...................... FreeBSD system console (monochrome). > > Your choice: (1-4) > > > > -- > > :{ andyf@speednet.com.au > > Andy Farkas > System Administrator > Speednet Communications > http://www.speednet.com.au/ > > > -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 9:30:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ewok.creative.net.au (ewok.creative.net.au [203.30.44.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7E4E114F2C for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:30:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adrian@freebsd.org) Received: (qmail 1931 invoked by uid 1008); 31 Aug 1999 16:30:15 -0000 From: adrian@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:30:15 +0800 To: Doug Rabson Cc: "Andrew J. Korty" , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch Message-ID: <19990901003014.A1215@ewok.creative.net.au> References: <199908301502.KAA80087@galileo.physics.purdue.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Doug Rabson on Tue, Aug 31, 1999 at 11:21:00AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Aug 31, 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Andrew J. Korty wrote: > > > > I suppose there already was a rather lengthy discussion about a "user"-option > > > . > > > I hope this sysctl-thing will make it into the mount-manpage, because if not, > > > it might turn out to be a really FAQ :) > > > -- > > > Volker Stolz * stolz@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de * PGP > > > > I provided a solution via send-pr (bin/11031) over four months ago, > > which is, in my opinion, superior in many ways to this sysctl > > approach. The patch contains an amendment to the mount(1) manual > > page. > > I have not reviewed this pr myself but it seems like a well thought out > change to the system. Would the people who are involved with the current > (more limited) proposed change like to review this and possibly use it > instead. I don't want to lose anyones work here if it could be useful. You realise that this kind of stuff can be done in kernelspace, without needing yet another setuid binary/binaries.. http://www.freebsd.org/~adrian/usermount/ Read the README, I wrote this in a hurry, and its more a proof of concept things more than anything else.. Comments welcome. Adrian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 9:35: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from backup.af.speednet.com.au (af.speednet.com.au [202.135.206.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8799414ECF; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:34:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by backup.af.speednet.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA47190; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:32:37 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:32:37 +1000 (EST) From: Andy Farkas X-Sender: andyf@localhost To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD & MCA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > > Did I maybe forget to mention adding the line to sys/i386/conf/files.i386? > > i386/mca/aha_mca.c optional mca aha > yes. > -- > | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | > | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | > | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | > -- :{ andyf@speednet.com.au Andy Farkas System Administrator Speednet Communications http://www.speednet.com.au/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 9:45:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from finland.ispro.net.tr (finland.ispro.net.tr [195.174.18.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 314C015995 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:45:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yurtesen@ispro.net.tr) Received: from ispro.net.tr (dyn-2-180.tku.netti.fi [195.16.221.181]) by finland.ispro.net.tr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20729 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:43:38 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from yurtesen@ispro.net.tr) Message-ID: <37CC05E2.9590120F@ispro.net.tr> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:42:10 +0300 From: Evren Yurtesen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: free space problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I am using 3.2-Stable and I have a 9GB disk drive used as cache for squid proxy. I have changed the min free space with tunefs program to 0 but now I have a problem. Even though I have 250MB free space on the file system, I get file system full error. usr/local/squid/cache/disk1: write failed, file system is full cp: ./backup.28-08-1999.tgz: No space left on device turkey:/usr/local/squid/cache/disk1#df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/da0s1a 254063 90875 142863 39% / /dev/da0s1f 3432241 1684020 1473642 53% /usr /dev/da0s1e 127023 1234 115628 1% /var /dev/da1s1e 8617428 8363169 254259 97% /usr/local/squid/cache/disk1 /dev/da2s1e 8617428 7696737 920691 89% /usr/local/squid/cache/disk2 procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc turkey:/usr/local/squid/cache/disk1# the output below is taken later after I deleted that big backup file with the -i option of the df command Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity iused ifree %iused Mounted on /dev/da0s1a 254063 90875 142863 39% 5518 57968 9% / /dev/da0s1f 3432241 1686306 1471356 53% 50425 807621 6% /usr /dev/da0s1e 127023 1243 115619 1% 148 31594 0% /var /dev/da1s1e 8617428 7775826 841602 90% 700170 1458420 32% /usr/local/squid/cache/disk1 /dev/da2s1e 8617428 7717658 899770 90% 708745 1449845 33% /usr/local/squid/cache/disk2 procfs 4 4 0 100% 37 495 7% /proc turkey:/root# how come this is possible? also if now I am not able to use 250MB then is this mean that when the min free space was 8% which makes nearly 650MB of space; the system was not able to use 650MB of space for the defragmentation etc. stuff? because we are not able to access to 250MB so 400MB is left for the space and time optimazation thingies? also if I had 500MB hard drive then 8% would make 40MB but even under same load if I had 5000MB hard drive then 8% makes 400MB which is a lot of space... is not it possible for ffs to work with 40MB again? why does it need more space for time optimization? Evren Yurtesen yurtesen@ispro.net.tr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 10:26:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from Magnetics.NL.net (Magnetics.NL.net [193.78.240.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0F314DA6 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:26:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from martin@Magnetics.NL.net) Received: from localhost (martin@localhost) by Magnetics.NL.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00443 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:26:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from martin@Magnetics.NL.net) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:26:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Borghoff To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: troubles with ipfw! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hai!, Is the add option in ipfw removed? if i do a simple thing like : ipfw add pass tcp from any to any setup ipfw: setsockopt(IP_FW_ADD): Invalid argument please give me some hints.. Thanks in advance!. - Martin - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 10:31:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FF414D89 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:31:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA25406; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:30:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:30:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908311730.KAA25406@apollo.backplane.com> To: Evren Yurtesen Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: free space problem References: <37CC05E2.9590120F@ispro.net.tr> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Hello, : :I am using 3.2-Stable and I have a 9GB disk drive used as cache for :squid proxy. I have changed the min free space with tunefs program to 0 :but now I have a problem. Even though I have 250MB free space on the :file system, I get file system full error. : :usr/local/squid/cache/disk1: write failed, file system is full :cp: ./backup.28-08-1999.tgz: No space left on device You may have run out of inodes. Do a 'df -i' If this is the case you will have to newfs the filesystem again, this time using the -i option to change the inode ratio. Use df -i to see where you are now. Take the system offline. Make sure you have saved whatever data you need to save from the squid cache(s) unmount the filesystem(s) newfs them using varying values for the inode ratio. The smaller the value, the more inodes you will have. For example: newfs -i 8192 (thefilesystem) newfs -i 6144 (thefilesystem) newfs -i 4096 (thefilesystem) newfs will tell you how many inodes/cyl which you multiply by the number of cylinders to get the total. Find a value for -i that matches what you believe is appropriate for the filesystem based on your previous experience. You can also mount the filesystem and 'df -i' to see how many inodes you created. Then unmount it and newfs with a different value and see how that works. Etc... Be careful not to accidently newfs an active filesystem! -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 10:31:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mta1.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta1.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39AE14DA6 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:31:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.dyndns.org) Received: from holly.dyndns.org (adsl-216-62-157-60.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) by mta1.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with ESMTP id <0FHC006TPB9UZQ@mta1.rcsntx.swbell.net> for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:29:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA46083; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:31:29 -0500 (CDT envelope-from chris) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:31:29 -0500 From: Chris Costello Subject: Re: troubles with ipfw! In-reply-to: To: Martin Borghoff Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <19990831123129.B45896@holly.calldei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.4i References: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Aug 31, 1999, Martin Borghoff wrote: > Hai!, > > Is the add option in ipfw removed? > > if i do a simple thing like : > > ipfw add pass tcp from any to any setup > ipfw: setsockopt(IP_FW_ADD): Invalid argument > > please give me some hints.. Have you either: a.) Loaded /modules/ipfw.ko? b.) Enabled the IPFIREWALL option in your kernel and recompiled the system? -- |Chris Costello |When in doubt, don't bother. `---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 11: 1:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13061159E8 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:01:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08511; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:00:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA12397; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908311800.MAA12397@harmony.village.org> To: Poul-Henning Kamp Subject: Re: KAME IPv6 and freebsd Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , itojun@iijlab.net, Mark Murray , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:01:45 +0200." <28661.936093705@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <28661.936093705@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:00:01 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <28661.936093705@critter.freebsd.dk> Poul-Henning Kamp writes: : >Hmph. I guess common sense wins over ITAR in this case. :) : : That's certainly an improvement in that particular battle :-) Speaking of ITAR, has anybody actually every approached FreeBSD to say what we're doing is in violation of ITAR? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 11:12: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F7F15109 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:11:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA36625; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:06:54 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199908311806.UAA36625@gratis.grondar.za> To: Warner Losh Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , itojun@iijlab.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KAME IPv6 and freebsd Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:06:54 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Speaking of ITAR, has anybody actually every approached FreeBSD to say > what we're doing is in violation of ITAR? IANAL, but IIRC, ITAR is dead; Wasssenaar is the bogeyman these days (at least outside the USA). The DoD, DoJ, DoE, DoC and watever other Do's you guys have are all passing the buck very fast nowadays. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 11:20:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.uni-bielefeld.de (mail.uni-bielefeld.de [129.70.4.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6CAE15964 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:20:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bfischer@Techfak.uni-bielefeld.de) Received: from frolic.no-support.loc (ppp36-135.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de) by mail.uni-bielefeld.de (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.03.02.17.58.p5) with ESMTP id <0FHC00048DJP74@mail.uni-bielefeld.de> for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:19:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bjoern@localhost) by frolic.no-support.loc (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13563; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:19:05 +0200 (CEST envelope-from bjoern) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:19:05 +0200 From: Bjoern Fischer Subject: Re: readdir() broken? In-reply-to: To: Doug Rabson Cc: Bjoern Fischer , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-id: <19990831201905.C298@frolic.no-support.loc> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable References: <19990829054029.B308@frolic.no-support.loc> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Aug 31, 1999 at 11:15:49AM +0100, Doug Rabson wrote: [...] > > Attached is a patch for GNU fileutils-4.0 that will make rm > > yield when the workaround code catches a bad readdir(). >=20 > Are you using a FreeBSD port for GNU fileutils? If so, your patch should > be directed to the port maintainer. I suggest that you also forward the > patch to the GNU fileutils maintainers. I'm not aware of a FreeBSD port, but I will send a patch to the GNU fileutils maintainer. I just would like to fix our readdir() rather than struggling with the symptoms. Unfortunately I have no idea how to deal with this target. The first thing I did was finding out where to look for the bug---in GNU rm or in FreeBSD readdir(). The Single Unix Specification Version 2 says: [...] files may be removed from a directory or added to a directory asynchronously to the operation of readdir(). [...] and [...] If a file is removed from or added to the directory after the most recent call to opendir() or rewinddir(), whether a subsequent call to readdir() returns an entry for that file is unspecified. [...] But what happens here is the stream position pointer get mixed up and it seems that it skips one or two directory entries on susequent calls to readdir(). So I think it should be concidered as broken. I started looking at nfs_vnops.c but at the time I have no idea how it works. Bj=F6rn --=20 -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GCS d--(+) s++: a- C+++(-) UB++++OSI++++$ P+++(-) L+++(--) !E W- N+ o>+ K- !w !O !M !V PS++ PE- PGP++ t+++ !5 X++ tv- b+++ D++ G e+ h-- y+=20 ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 12:26:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.cybersites.com (ns1.cybersites.com [208.178.45.187]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB17D14FB0 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:26:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cyouse@cybersites.com) Received: from ntws02 (dhcp17.int.cybersites.com [10.0.4.17]) by ns1.cybersites.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA19524; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:25:38 -0400 From: "Charles Youse" To: "Martin Borghoff" , Subject: RE: troubles with ipfw! Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:25:12 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If you're cvsuping to -stable or -current, rebuild world and rebuild kernel. Binary compatibility got broken somewhere in there.. Chuck Youse Director of Engineering CyberSites, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Martin Borghoff Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 1:26 PM To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: troubles with ipfw! Hai!, Is the add option in ipfw removed? if i do a simple thing like : ipfw add pass tcp from any to any setup ipfw: setsockopt(IP_FW_ADD): Invalid argument please give me some hints.. Thanks in advance!. - Martin - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 13:33:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEE514E28 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:33:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.1) id GAA66294; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 06:37:13 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 06:37:13 +1000 From: John Birrell To: Doug Cc: John Birrell , "Andy V. Oleynik" , cjclark@home.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make aout-to-elf-build Failing Message-ID: <19990901063713.K36761@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> References: <19990831065654.F36761@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> <19990831224930.I36761@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> <37CBF444.CBB1DA02@gorean.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <37CBF444.CBB1DA02@gorean.org>; from Doug on Tue, Aug 31, 1999 at 08:27:00AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Aug 31, 1999 at 08:27:00AM -0700, Doug wrote: > John Birrell wrote: > > The solution is to fix `make'. I could commit the fix, but I'm not > > in a position to build -stable just now. I'm not supposed to commit > > without testing. The fix looks straight forward though, so "it > > should just work". 8-) > > If all it takes is a make world (as opposed to make upgrade) I can test it > if you'll send me the patch. I'm on 3.2-Stable as of 8/8 right now. If you've already upgraded, it's too late to test the patch because you won't execute the code in question. Do I really need to send you a patch to change one word in /usr/src/usr.bin/make/main.c?! Please take a few moments to have a look for "unknown" in that file. Sigh. If there is someone with a scratch disk on which they can install 2.2.8 (or 2.2.7 or 2.2.6) and do a `make aout-to-elf' and report the results, we could get this sorted out. I don't have the hardware to do that anymore. Any list-lurkers want to help out? -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 13:41:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-3.enteract.com (pop3-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 347E0150AD for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:41:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@tumbolia.com) Received: (qmail 47191 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1999 20:41:49 -0000 Received: from shell-3.enteract.com (dscheidt@207.229.143.42) by pop3-3.enteract.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 1999 20:41:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:41:49 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt X-Sender: dscheidt@shell-3.enteract.com To: John Birrell Cc: Doug , "Andy V. Oleynik" , cjclark@home.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make aout-to-elf-build Failing In-Reply-To: <19990901063713.K36761@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, John Birrell wrote: > If there is someone with a scratch disk on which they can install 2.2.8 > (or 2.2.7 or 2.2.6) and do a `make aout-to-elf' and report the results, > we could get this sorted out. I don't have the hardware to do that > anymore. Any list-lurkers want to help out? Assuming I can find my 2.2.6 CDs, I will do this tonight. You don't even need to send me the patch. David Scheidt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 13:45:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B1514E28; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:45:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA15601; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:43:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: adrian@FreeBSD.org Cc: Doug Rabson , "Andrew J. Korty" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch In-Reply-To: <19990901003014.A1215@ewok.creative.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG so where re you at the moment? julian On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 adrian@FreeBSD.org wrote: > Comments welcome. > > > > Adrian > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 14:19:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dt010nb9.san.rr.com (dt010nb9.san.rr.com [204.210.12.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B86C153FA for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:19:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by dt010nb9.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21478; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:19:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:19:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug X-Sender: doug@dt010nb9.san.rr.com To: John Birrell Cc: "Andy V. Oleynik" , cjclark@home.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make aout-to-elf-build Failing In-Reply-To: <19990901063713.K36761@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, John Birrell wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 1999 at 08:27:00AM -0700, Doug wrote: > > John Birrell wrote: > > > The solution is to fix `make'. I could commit the fix, but I'm not > > > in a position to build -stable just now. I'm not supposed to commit > > > without testing. The fix looks straight forward though, so "it > > > should just work". 8-) > > > > If all it takes is a make world (as opposed to make upgrade) I can test it > > if you'll send me the patch. I'm on 3.2-Stable as of 8/8 right now. > > If you've already upgraded, it's too late to test the patch because > you won't execute the code in question. I had a feeling that I misunderstood you, which is why I asked for a clarification. > Do I really need to send you > a patch to change one word in /usr/src/usr.bin/make/main.c?! Please take > a few moments to have a look for "unknown" in that file. Sigh. "Straight forward" (sic) to you isn't necessarily so to me, especially where issues related to make are concerned. To start with, I wouldn't even have know where to start looking (make code, some other code, *.mk files, make.conf...). If all it took was a simple change you could have said so. Given that someone more knowledgeable than I has already stepped forward, it looks like it will get taken care of anyway, so no sweat. If not, I do have a scratch disk that I can run through the procedure on, and now that I know where to look, yes, the fix is obvious enough. Thanks for your help, Doug -- "My mama told me, my mama said, 'don't cry.' She said, 'you're too young a man to have as many women you got.' I looked at my mother dear and didn't even crack a smile. I said, 'If women kill me, I don't mind dyin!'" - John Belushi as "Joliet" Jake Blues, "I Don't Know" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 16:31:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E2515AC9 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:31:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03055; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:30:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Warner Losh Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , itojun@iijlab.net, Mark Murray , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KAME IPv6 and freebsd In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:00:01 MDT." <199908311800.MAA12397@harmony.village.org> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:30:06 -0700 Message-ID: <3052.936142206@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In message <28661.936093705@critter.freebsd.dk> Poul-Henning Kamp writes: > : >Hmph. I guess common sense wins over ITAR in this case. :) > : > : That's certainly an improvement in that particular battle :-) > > Speaking of ITAR, has anybody actually every approached FreeBSD to say > what we're doing is in violation of ITAR? Nope. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 17: 4:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A0614D76; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:04:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA17800; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:03:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: AHA-1640 driver (MCA) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've got what I think is a working MCA shim for the AHA driver. I'd like someone with an MCA box and an aha-1640 to test it for me as my 1640 isn't here yet. Please see: http://www.jurai.net/~winter/mca/README.aha If you've not seen the MCA bus code that this driver requires also see: http://www.jurai.net/~winter/mca/README.mca I'm working on an MCA bus shim for the Buslogic/Bustek/StorageTek cards too and will post information regarding that driver later tonite. Thanks! -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 18:45:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA0615980; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:45:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA19706; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:43:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Buslogic/Bustek/Storage Dimensions driver (MCA) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've got what I think is a working MCA shim for the 'BT' driver. I'd like someone with an MCA box and one of these cards to test it for me as I have not yet found a card to. (Anyone want to give me one?) Please see: http://www.jurai.net/~winter/mca/README.bt If you've not seen the MCA bus code that this driver requires also see: http://www.jurai.net/~winter/mca/README.mca Thanks! -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 19:30:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail-01.cdsnet.net (mail-01.cdsnet.net [206.107.16.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8526D15330 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:30:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mrcpu@internetcds.com) Received: (qmail 955 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1999 01:30:08 -0000 Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (204.118.244.32) by mail.cdsnet.net with SMTP; 1 Sep 1999 01:30:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:29:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaye Mathisen X-Sender: mrcpu@schizo.cdsnet.net To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Minor patches to pwd_mkdb Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Got tired of the dinky cachesize for pwd_mkdb, especially since vipw doesn't take advantage of the -u or -s options. So here a couple patches that make the cachesize tweakable from make.conf. Dramatically helps on those 10-15k line password files. I would appreciate it if somebody would at least consider committing this... *** Makefile.orig Tue Aug 31 18:01:58 1999 --- Makefile Tue Aug 31 18:22:05 1999 *************** *** 3,8 **** PROG= pwd_mkdb SRCS= pw_scan.c pwd_mkdb.c MAN8= pwd_mkdb.8 ! CFLAGS+= -DPASSWD_IGNORE_COMMENTS .include --- 3,23 ---- PROG= pwd_mkdb SRCS= pw_scan.c pwd_mkdb.c MAN8= pwd_mkdb.8 ! PWD_MKDB_DEFAULT_CACHESIZE=2 ! CFLAGS+= -DPASSWD_IGNORE_COMMENTS ! ! # ! # The cache size defaults to 2MB. If you have a large passwd file ! # increasing the size of the cache will help. ! # There is a command line option to set this, however, it is not ! # set by vipw. ! # ! ! .if defined(PWD_MKDB_CACHESIZE) ! CFLAGS+= -DPWD_MKDB_DEFAULT_CACHESIZE=${PWD_MKDB_CACHESIZE} ! .else ! CFLAGS+= -DPWD_MKDB_DEFAULT_CACHESIZE=${PWD_MKDB_DEFAULT_CACHESIZE} ! .endif ! .include *** pwd_mkdb.c.orig Tue Aug 31 18:10:47 1999 --- pwd_mkdb.c Tue Aug 31 18:12:04 1999 *************** *** 71,77 **** 4096, /* bsize */ 32, /* ffactor */ 256, /* nelem */ ! 2048 * 1024, /* cachesize */ NULL, /* hash() */ 0 /* lorder */ }; --- 71,77 ---- 4096, /* bsize */ 32, /* ffactor */ 256, /* nelem */ ! PWD_MKDB_DEFAULT_CACHESIZE * 1024 * 1024, /* cachesize */ NULL, /* hash() */ 0 /* lorder */ }; To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 19:36:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from backup.af.speednet.com.au (af.speednet.com.au [202.135.206.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571181546C; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:36:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by backup.af.speednet.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA48502; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:34:15 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:34:15 +1000 (EST) From: Andy Farkas X-Sender: andyf@localhost To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Buslogic/Bustek/Storage Dimensions driver (MCA) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I've got what I think is a working MCA shim for the 'BT' driver. > not quite... The io, irq and drq values are correct on both aha & bt... aha0 is still failing the INQUIRE command... disk0s4a:> boot -v Copyright (c) 1992-1999 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #0: Wed Sep 1 12:13:01 EST 1999 root@doohan.af.speednet.com.au:/fast1/src/sys/compile/MCA Calibrating clock(s) ... i8254 clock: 1193222 Hz CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION not specified - using default frequency Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: i486 DX2 (486-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x435 Stepping = 5 Features=0x3 real memory = 66060288 (64512K bytes) Physical memory chunk(s): 0x00001000 - 0x0009efff, 647168 bytes (158 pages) 0x0058e000 - 0x03efdfff, 60227584 bytes (14704 pages) avail memory = 58433536 (57064K bytes) BIOS SDT: model 0xf8, submodel 0x1b, bios_rev 0x00 BIOS SDT: features 0xf6 MicroChannel Architecture System detected. Other BIOS signatures found: ACPI: 00000000 Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0575000. Preloaded mfs_root "/mfsroot" at 0xc057509c. Math emulator present npx0: on motherboard npx0: 387 emulator mca_probe... POS REG 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 ----------------------------------- mca slot 1: 8f 60 d0 82 81 60 60 ff mca slot 2: 1f 0f 01 3b ff b4 ff ff mca slot 3: 07 70 03 bf 88 ff 08 00 mca slot 4: 42 60 09 01 ff ff ff ff mca slot 5: 07 70 45 bf c9 ff 08 00 mca slot 6: 08 07 1d 03 f7 c5 ff ff mca slot 7: 08 07 17 02 00 46 00 30 mca slot 8: 08 07 15 01 00 47 00 30 mca0: on motherboard mca0: unknown card (id 0x608f, disabled) at slot 1 aha0: io 0x330-0x333, irq 15, drq 4 aha0: on mca0 id 0f1f slot 2 aha0: INQUIRE failed 28 aha0: Card not responding! device_probe_and_attach: aha0 attach returned -1 mca0: unknown card (id 0x7007, enabled) at slot 3 mca0: unknown card (id 0x6042, enabled) at slot 4 mca0: unknown card (id 0x7007, enabled) at slot 5 bt0: bt0: io 0x334-0x337, irq 14, drq 5 on mca0 id 0708 slot 6 panic: contigmalloc1: size must not be 0 Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort --> Press a key on the console to reboot <-- Rebooting... > -- > | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | > | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | > | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | > -- :{ andyf@speednet.com.au Andy Farkas System Administrator Speednet Communications http://www.speednet.com.au/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 20:13:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-3.enteract.com (pop3-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3EF0F14C13 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:13:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@tumbolia.com) Received: (qmail 88218 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1999 03:12:27 -0000 Received: from shell-3.enteract.com (dscheidt@207.229.143.42) by pop3-3.enteract.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 1999 03:12:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:12:27 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt X-Sender: dscheidt@shell-3.enteract.com To: John Birrell Cc: Doug , "Andy V. Oleynik" , cjclark@home.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make aout-to-elf-build Failing In-Reply-To: <19990901063713.K36761@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, John Birrell wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 1999 at 08:27:00AM -0700, Doug wrote: > > John Birrell wrote: > a patch to change one word in /usr/src/usr.bin/make/main.c?! Please take > a few moments to have a look for "unknown" in that file. Sigh. > > If there is someone with a scratch disk on which they can install 2.2.8 > (or 2.2.7 or 2.2.6) and do a `make aout-to-elf' and report the results, > we could get this sorted out. I don't have the hardware to do that > anymore. Any list-lurkers want to help out? The obvious one-line fix appears to work. My 2.2.6 to RELENG_3 build hasn't finished yet, but it makes it past the point where it fails due to machine_arch be ing undefined. Do I need to check if 2.2.6 to -CURRENT works? David Scheidt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 22:31: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE78114EF9; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:30:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA23966; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:30:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Andy Farkas Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Buslogic/Bustek/Storage Dimensions driver (MCA) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Andy Farkas wrote: > > I've got what I think is a working MCA shim for the 'BT' driver. > > > > not quite... > > The io, irq and drq values are correct on both aha & bt... > > aha0 is still failing the INQUIRE command... if (reply_len != reply_buf_size) { /* Too much or too little data received */ return (EMSGSIZE); } > aha0: io 0x330-0x333, irq 15, drq 4 > aha0: on mca0 id 0f1f slot 2 > aha0: INQUIRE failed 28 This should read: aha0: INQUIRE failed 0x28 since 'error' is printed in hex. Why we're printing errors in hex I don't know (other than to make me waste 10 minutes tracing down bugs that don't exist that is.) Now, anyone have a good idea why AOP_INQUIRE_BOARD_ID is getting too much or too little data? Andy, try changing sys/dev/aha.c:aha_cmd() so that the test before the last return() looks like this: if (reply_len != reply_buf_size) { + printf("reply_len %d, reply_buf_size %d\n", + reply_len, reply_buf_size); /* Too much or too little data received */ return (EMSGSIZE); } /* We were successful */ return (0); } And show me the line when the error occurs. > aha0: Card not responding! I added this message for some reason or another. Its not really helpful at all. :) > device_probe_and_attach: aha0 attach returned -1 > mca0: unknown card (id 0x7007, enabled) at slot 3 > mca0: unknown card (id 0x6042, enabled) at slot 4 > mca0: unknown card (id 0x7007, enabled) at slot 5 > bt0: > bt0: io 0x334-0x337, irq 14, drq 5 on mca0 id 0708 slot 6 > panic: contigmalloc1: size must not be 0 I've rewritten the bt_mca driver to hopefully do the right thing. I was trying to avoid excess code but I'll worry about trimming stuff down later. Get the new versions of {aha,bt}_mca.c and recompile. Thanks for doing such a good job of testing! -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 22:36: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from cs.rpi.edu (mumble.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.8.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2247315472 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:36:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crossd@cs.rpi.edu) Received: from cs.rpi.edu (monica.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.7.2]) by cs.rpi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25548 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909010534.BAA25548@cs.rpi.edu> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Tulip device driver question Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 01:34:54 -0400 From: "David E. Cross" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am modifying the tulip device driver to support this xircom card. I have it almost entirely working, *except* that it goes into infinite re-neogitiate loops. The card probes correctly at bootup, but any attempt to change information via ifconfig ("ifconfig de0 inet ..." and "ifconfig de0 up", and "ifconfig de0 media 10baseTX" will all do it) results in it probing, then resetting, then probing again. over and over in an infinite loop. Ideas? -- David Cross | email: crossd@cs.rpi.edu Systems Administrator/Research Programmer | Web: http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~crossd Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, | Ph: 518.276.2860 Department of Computer Science | Fax: 518.276.4033 I speak only for myself. | WinNT:Linux::Linux:FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 22:42: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 02F991516D for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:41:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geoff@rucus.ru.ac.za) Received: (qmail 37803 invoked by uid 268); 1 Sep 1999 05:42:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19990901054250.37802.qmail@rucus.ru.ac.za> Subject: Re: KAME IPv6 and freebsd In-Reply-To: <199908311806.UAA36625@gratis.grondar.za> from Mark Murray at "Aug 31, 1999 08:06:54 pm" To: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 07:42:50 +0200 (SAST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: "Geoff Rehmet" From: "Geoff Rehmet" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mark Murray writes : > > Speaking of ITAR, has anybody actually every approached FreeBSD to say > > what we're doing is in violation of ITAR? > > IANAL, but IIRC, ITAR is dead; Wasssenaar is the bogeyman these days > (at least outside the USA). > > The DoD, DoJ, DoE, DoC and watever other Do's you guys have are all > passing the buck very fast nowadays. Important thing to remember, and Mark and I have discussed this a little (I think we need a couple more beers when I come to Cape Town next week) there are countries like South Africa, which are not Wassennaar signataries. That makes SA a safe haven for crypto code. Geoff. -- Geoff Rehmet, The Internet Solution geoffr@is.co.za; geoff@rucus.ru.ac.za; csgr@freebsd.org tel: +27-83-292-5800 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 23:53:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.aye.net (phoenix.aye.net [206.185.8.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ABB9314C2D for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:53:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barrett@phoenix.aye.net) Received: (qmail 29096 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Sep 1999 06:44:43 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Sep 1999 06:44:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:44:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Barrett Richardson To: Dennis Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IP address caching bug? In-Reply-To: <199908271740.NAA03575@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Dennis wrote: > > It seems that an interface configured with an address, which is then > deleted, and then set to a different address on the same network, the > machine continues to use the original address although all evidence of it > is gone. > > examples. > > ifconfig fxp0 207.252.1.31 netmask 255.255.255.0 > > ping something,and the .31 address is sent out. > > ifconfig fxp0 delete > ifconfig ftp0 207.252.1.60 netmask 255.255.255.0 > > ping something, and the .31 address is still sent! > > something is cached somewhere, because ifconfig and route show the correct > entries. > > Dennis > Maybe deleting the arp entry for the old IP will bring it around. - Barrett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 31 23:58: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.is.co.za (mercury.is.co.za [196.4.160.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30A814C2D; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:57:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geoff@hangdog.is.co.za) Received: from admin.is.co.za (admin.is.co.za [196.23.0.9]) by mercury.is.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08152; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:56:14 +0200 Received: from hangdog.is.co.za (hangdog.is.co.za [196.23.0.108]) by admin.is.co.za (8.8.6/8.7.3/ISsubsidiary#1) with ESMTP id IAA19716; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:56:46 +0200 (GMT) Received: (from geoff@localhost) by hangdog.is.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA04043; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:56:40 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from geoff) From: Geoff Rehmet Message-Id: <199909010656.IAA04043@hangdog.is.co.za> Subject: TCP sequence numbers To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:56:40 +0200 (SAST) Cc: markm@iafrica.com, jlemon@freebsd.org Reply-To: "Geoff Rehmet" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After a bit of work on TCP sequence numbers, and generating initial sequence numbers which are difficult to predict, I have put some code together, which I belive makes the way in which FreeBSD generates initial send sequence numbers more secure. Problems with our existing scheme are that we are using a PRNG, which is seeded to start from zero, and thus we are open to attack, since the PRNG is statistically, but not cryptogrphically random. At the moment, my code still uses random() from libkern, but there are some sources of entropy in the way random() is reseeded on a regular basis, using values like the microseconds of the system clock, the current tcp_iss value, and the tcp endpoints of the last tcp connection. The patch I have developed is based on RFC1948, and also takes some ideas from the way in which Linux calculates TCP ISS values. However, unlike Linux, I am keeping the code true to RFC793's requirement for a "fictitious" 250kHz clock. Instead of uising a cut-down MD4 transform, (which is what Linux does), I have used a cut-down MD5 transform, with round 4 removed. As with the Linux code, I am using 9 32-bit words of random secret, which is rekeyed every 5 minutes. The remainder of the sequence number generation is based on our existing code. I have placed the diff in http://www.freebsd.org/~csgr/tcp_sequence.diff The diff was taken against -current as at approximately 0600 GMT 1 September 1999. testing, comments would be appreciated. Once Mark has completed his work in devrandom, I will rather use devrandom as a source of randomness. (The code still needs a little tidying.) Geoff. -- Geoff Rehmet, The Internet Solution - Infrastructure tel: +27-11-283-5462, fax: +27-11-283-5401 mobile: +27-83-292-5800 email: geoffr@is.co.za URL: http://www.is.co.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 0:43:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D205714E4E for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:43:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11M519-0002UI-00; Wed, 01 Sep 1999 09:41:15 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Jaye Mathisen Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Minor patches to pwd_mkdb In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:29:58 MST." Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 09:41:15 +0200 Message-ID: <9565.936171675@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:29:58 MST, Jaye Mathisen wrote: > Got tired of the dinky cachesize for pwd_mkdb, especially since vipw > doesn't take advantage of the -u or -s options. Vipw doesn't take advantage of the -u option? I must have read through the code too fast. > Dramatically helps on those 10-15k line password files. What impact does your patch have on a loaded machine? Since vipw already knows how many lines there are in the file, surely we could get it to approximate an ideal cache size and pass it as the argument to pwd_mkdb's -s option? Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 0:53:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail-01.cdsnet.net (mail-01.cdsnet.net [206.107.16.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2410C14D07 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:53:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mrcpu@internetcds.com) Received: (qmail 28255 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1999 07:53:05 -0000 Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (204.118.244.32) by mail.cdsnet.net with SMTP; 1 Sep 1999 07:53:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:52:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaye Mathisen X-Sender: mrcpu@schizo.cdsnet.net To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Minor patches to pwd_mkdb In-Reply-To: <9565.936171675@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, in my case, changing from 2MB to 8MB's knocked the rebuild time from 2:05 to 36 seconds, for appx 15000 records. not enough memory to make a real difference that I can see, but it kept the disk tps meter pegged at 118-120. On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:29:58 MST, Jaye Mathisen wrote: > > > Got tired of the dinky cachesize for pwd_mkdb, especially since vipw > > doesn't take advantage of the -u or -s options. > > Vipw doesn't take advantage of the -u option? I must have read through > the code too fast. > > > Dramatically helps on those 10-15k line password files. > > What impact does your patch have on a loaded machine? > > Since vipw already knows how many lines there are in the file, surely we > could get it to approximate an ideal cache size and pass it as the > argument to pwd_mkdb's -s option? > > Ciao, > Sheldon. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 1: 0:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles538.castles.com [208.214.165.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB071540B for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:00:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA03419; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:53:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199909010753.AAA03419@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Jaye Mathisen Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Minor patches to pwd_mkdb In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:29:58 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 00:53:14 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Got tired of the dinky cachesize for pwd_mkdb, especially since vipw > doesn't take advantage of the -u or -s options. > > So here a couple patches that make the cachesize tweakable from make.conf. > > Dramatically helps on those 10-15k line password files. > > I would appreciate it if somebody would at least consider committing > this... No. Try for a patch that guesses how big the password file is (try using stat()) and tunes the cache dynamically. Hardcoding this at _build_ time is not any sort of "right" solution. -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 1: 6:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1645C14FC1 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:06:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.1) id SAA68238; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:10:07 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:10:07 +1000 From: John Birrell To: David Scheidt Cc: John Birrell , Doug , "Andy V. Oleynik" , cjclark@home.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make aout-to-elf-build Failing Message-ID: <19990901181007.M36761@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> References: <19990901063713.K36761@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: ; from David Scheidt on Tue, Aug 31, 1999 at 10:12:27PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Aug 31, 1999 at 10:12:27PM -0500, David Scheidt wrote: > The obvious one-line fix appears to work. My 2.2.6 to RELENG_3 build hasn't > finished yet, but it makes it past the point where it fails due to > machine_arch be ing undefined. Do I need to check if 2.2.6 to -CURRENT > works? I think there have been problems reported with 2.2.X to -current upgrades. If you're willing to try it, send me private mail (to avoid using too much bandwidth) with the errors when it barfs. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 1: 6:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail-01.cdsnet.net (mail-01.cdsnet.net [206.107.16.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B90ED15293 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:06:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mrcpu@internetcds.com) Received: (qmail 2338 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1999 08:05:49 -0000 Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (204.118.244.32) by mail.cdsnet.net with SMTP; 1 Sep 1999 08:05:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:05:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaye Mathisen X-Sender: mrcpu@schizo.cdsnet.net To: Mike Smith Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Minor patches to pwd_mkdb In-Reply-To: <199909010753.AAA03419@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Why is it OK for top to do it, but not pwd_mkdb? I probably end up updating my OS faster than I add users to my password file... Tweak the cache to 32MB's, and never touch it again, regardless of how big your passwd file is... On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > > Got tired of the dinky cachesize for pwd_mkdb, especially since vipw > > doesn't take advantage of the -u or -s options. > > > > So here a couple patches that make the cachesize tweakable from make.conf. > > > > Dramatically helps on those 10-15k line password files. > > > > I would appreciate it if somebody would at least consider committing > > this... > > No. Try for a patch that guesses how big the password file is (try > using stat()) and tunes the cache dynamically. > > Hardcoding this at _build_ time is not any sort of "right" solution. > > > -- > \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith > \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 1:26:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE8314D29 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:26:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11M5h8-0002dp-00; Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:24:38 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Jaye Mathisen Cc: Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Minor patches to pwd_mkdb In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Sep 1999 01:05:40 MST." Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:24:38 +0200 Message-ID: <10156.936174278@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 01:05:40 MST, Jaye Mathisen wrote: > Why is it OK for top to do it, but not pwd_mkdb? I probably end up > updating my OS faster than I add users to my password file... I think that's the wrong question. I think the right question is Is it okay to adhere to the lowest common denominator of coding excellence when developing for FreeBSD? :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 1:56: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from bilby.prth.tensor.pgs.com (bilby.prth.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.232.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E6F14D32 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:55:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shocking@ariadne.prth.tensor.pgs.com) Received: from bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com (bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.224.1]) by bilby.prth.tensor.pgs.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22141 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:52:08 +0800 (WST) Received: from ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (ariadne [157.147.227.36]) by bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03470 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:53:41 +0800 (WST) Received: from ariadne.prth.tensor.pgs.com by ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (8.9.1b+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id QAA10259; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:53:43 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: <199909010853.QAA10259@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: StarOffice giveaway of source code Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 16:53:42 +0800 From: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Perth Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Now that Sun is apparently planning to give away the source to StarOffice, I wonder when the first port to FreeBSD will happen? Stephen -- The views expressed above are not those of PGS Tensor. "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." Robert Wilensky, University of California To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 2:22:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD7B14D7C for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:20:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11M6YR-00030D-00; Wed, 01 Sep 1999 11:19:43 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Jaye Mathisen Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Minor patches to pwd_mkdb In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Sep 1999 02:08:59 MST." Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 11:19:43 +0200 Message-ID: <11544.936177583@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 02:08:59 MST, Jaye Mathisen wrote: > But I'm not saying change the default, leave it at 2, I just think > it should be easy to tweak, such that it is persistent across source > updates. I think what both Mike and I are suggesting is that a magic value for which the ideal setting varies should be variable. Thus, a compile-time option is not ideal. Either it needs to be a run-time option, or the software should determine a good cache size on its own. The run-time option idea is silly if the software can do it without human help. In this case, I think we're all agreed that it can. > How many machines have many thousands of users, but a couple MB's of > memory for a few seconds is a premium? Actually, it's the machines that have thousands of users that tend to get used a lot. *grin* Basically, what neither of us has said is "well done, you've spotted a part of FreeBSD that could be improved and suggested one way of doing it". We're just suggesting a better improvement. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 2:30: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.palmerharvey.co.uk (mail.palmerharvey.co.uk [62.172.109.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F98F150BB for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:29:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Dom.Mitchell@palmerharvey.co.uk) Received: from ho-nt-01.pandhm.co.uk (unverified) by mail.palmerharvey.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.0.1) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:27:29 +0100 Received: from voodoo.pandhm.co.uk (VOODOO [10.100.35.12]) by ho-nt-01.pandhm.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id RWF23V78; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:27:00 +0100 Received: from dom by voodoo.pandhm.co.uk with local (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11M6gM-000CcN-00; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:27:54 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:27:54 +0100 To: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Perth Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: StarOffice giveaway of source code Message-ID: <19990901102753.A48380@voodoo.pandhm.co.uk> References: <199909010853.QAA10259@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <199909010853.QAA10259@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com>; from Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Perth on Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 04:53:42PM +0800 From: Dominic Mitchell Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 04:53:42PM +0800, Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Perth wrote: > Now that Sun is apparently planning to give away the source to StarOffice, I > wonder when the first port to FreeBSD will happen? Where sun are involved, I wouldn't get your hopes up until you actually see source or something. And I wouldn't exactly call them quick, either. -- Dom Mitchell -- Palmer & Harvey McLane -- Unix Systems Administrator "Ordinary folks who don't understand computers don't deserve to be mocked. Ordinary people who want to use their computers but refuse to learn anything about them do." -- slashdot comment ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 2:36: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mrelay.jrc.it (mrelay.jrc.it [139.191.1.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379B215434 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:36:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nick.hibma@jrc.it) Received: from elect8 (elect8.jrc.it [139.191.71.152]) by mrelay.jrc.it (LMC5692) with ESMTP id LAA12238; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:33:53 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:33:52 +0200 (MET DST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@elect8 Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: Dominic Mitchell Cc: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Perth , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: StarOffice giveaway of source code In-Reply-To: <19990901102753.A48380@voodoo.pandhm.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 04:53:42PM +0800, Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Perth wrote: > > Now that Sun is apparently planning to give away the source to StarOffice, I > > wonder when the first port to FreeBSD will happen? > > Where sun are involved, I wouldn't get your hopes up until you actually > see source or something. And I wouldn't exactly call them quick, > either. You mean, acquiring a company and in the same week announcing open source of their product not quick?? You underestimate the legal hassle, me thinks. Nick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 2:36:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1213154C3 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:36:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA00968; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:35:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Dominic Mitchell Cc: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Perth , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: StarOffice giveaway of source code In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:27:54 BST." <19990901102753.A48380@voodoo.pandhm.co.uk> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 02:35:15 -0700 Message-ID: <965.936178515@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Where sun are involved, I wouldn't get your hopes up until you actually > see source or something. And I wouldn't exactly call them quick, > either. This is wise counsel. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 4:48:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from charma.uprm.edu (charma.UPR.CLU.EDU [136.145.164.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B95D1159F6 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 04:48:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kennie@uprm.edu) Received: by charma.uprm.edu (5.65v4.0/1.1.19.2/16Mar99-0506PM) id AA10155; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 07:47:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 07:47:39 -0400 From: Kennie J.Cruz Gutierrez Message-Id: <199909011147.AA10155@charma.uprm.edu> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG unsubscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 6:31:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from plains.NoDak.edu (plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC54154D2 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 06:31:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.NoDak.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32664; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:28:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:28:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199909011328.IAA32664@plains.NoDak.edu> To: barrett@phoenix.aye.net, dennis@etinc.com Subject: Re: IP address caching bug? Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It seems that an interface configured with an address, which is then > deleted, and then set to a different address on the same network, the > machine continues to use the original address although all evidence of it > is gone. delete any static routes before adding a new address: # route flush most of the time these routes were automatically learned with normal net use. FreeBSD has behaved like this for a long time. --mark. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 6:55:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (overcee.netplex.com.au [203.38.14.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9F115525 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 06:55:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5EC1CA8; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:54:56 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Dominic Mitchell , Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Perth , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: StarOffice giveaway of source code In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Sep 1999 02:35:15 MST." <965.936178515@localhost> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 21:54:56 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <19990901135456.4B5EC1CA8@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > Where sun are involved, I wouldn't get your hopes up until you actually > > see source or something. And I wouldn't exactly call them quick, > > either. > > This is wise counsel. Also, don't discount the possibility that Sun may be talking about this in order to achieve some leverage with the likes of (say) Microsoft. For example, "If we don't get [xxx] from you, we'll do something to hurt your cash cow, MS Office".. Maybe I'm just being too cynical though, but I'll believe it when I see it. Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 7: 6:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from thelab.hub.org (nat203.199.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.203.199]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E22814C41 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 07:06:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA42239; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:01:37 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:01:36 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Peter Wemm Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Dominic Mitchell , Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Perth , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: StarOffice giveaway of source code In-Reply-To: <19990901135456.4B5EC1CA8@overcee.netplex.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Peter Wemm wrote: > "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > Where sun are involved, I wouldn't get your hopes up until you actually > > > see source or something. And I wouldn't exactly call them quick, > > > either. > > > > This is wise counsel. > > Also, don't discount the possibility that Sun may be talking about this in > order to achieve some leverage with the likes of (say) Microsoft. For > example, "If we don't get [xxx] from you, we'll do something to hurt your > cash cow, MS Office".. Maybe I'm just being too cynical though, but I'll > believe it when I see it. From a marketing standpoint, wouldn't it make for some seriously bad press for Sun to state "open source" and then turn around and not do it? *raised eyebrow* Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 7: 9:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D232414C41 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 07:09:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA16148; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 07:08:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 07:08:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: The Hermit Hacker Cc: Peter Wemm , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Dominic Mitchell , Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Perth , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: StarOffice giveaway of source code In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > Where sun are involved, I wouldn't get your hopes up until you actually > > > > see source or something. And I wouldn't exactly call them quick, > > > > either. > > > > > > This is wise counsel. > > > > Also, don't discount the possibility that Sun may be talking about this in > > order to achieve some leverage with the likes of (say) Microsoft. For > > example, "If we don't get [xxx] from you, we'll do something to hurt your > > cash cow, MS Office".. Maybe I'm just being too cynical though, but I'll > > believe it when I see it. > > From a marketing standpoint, wouldn't it make for some seriously bad press > for Sun to state "open source" and then turn around and not do it? *raised > eyebrow* Wouldn't cause them a second's pause. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 7:19:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from medulla.hippocampus.net (medulla.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 263BA14D59 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 07:19:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@netstor.com) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by medulla.hippocampus.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA06543; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:19:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas X-Sender: marc@medulla.hippocampus.net To: The Hermit Hacker Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: StarOffice giveaway of source code In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Also, don't discount the possibility that Sun may be talking about this in > > order to achieve some leverage with the likes of (say) Microsoft. For > > example, "If we don't get [xxx] from you, we'll do something to hurt your > > cash cow, MS Office".. Maybe I'm just being too cynical though, but I'll > > believe it when I see it. > > >From a marketing standpoint, wouldn't it make for some seriously bad press > for Sun to state "open source" and then turn around and not do it? *raised > eyebrow* Didn't they actually kinda do this when they announced the availability of Solaris source code, and then that didn't really seem to materialize the first time around? Maybe my recolection of events is somewhat blurred... -marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 7:21:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.adsu.bellsouth.com (ns1.adsu.bellsouth.com [205.152.173.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6B1154D2 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 07:21:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ck@ns1.adsu.bellsouth.com) Received: (from ck@localhost) by ns1.adsu.bellsouth.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA13447 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:20:52 -0400 From: Christian Kuhtz To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: StarOffice giveaway of source code Message-ID: <19990901102052.C13133@ns1.adsu.bellsouth.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from Matthew Jacob on Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 07:08:18AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 07:08:18AM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > From a marketing standpoint, wouldn't it make for some seriously bad press > > for Sun to state "open source" and then turn around and not do it? *raised > > eyebrow* > > Wouldn't cause them a second's pause. They wouldn't be the first vendor to get away with not following up on PR. PR is just that.. So, can we please can this discussion until we actually have code? Cheers, Chris -- Christian Kuhtz, Sr. Network Architect BellSouth Corporation -wk, -hm Advanced Data Services "Affiliation given for identification, not representation." Atlanta, GA, U.S. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 7:42: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from freja.webgiro.com (freja.webgiro.com [212.209.29.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD14714FD9; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 07:42:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 92ABE1912; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:40:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91CA1499A; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:40:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:40:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Mike Pritchard , chris@calldei.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Please review: rc file changes In-Reply-To: <199908281738.KAA05273@apollo.backplane.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > :> I've never heard of that. I've always found that two spaces > :> after end-of-sentence punctuation makes things easier to read! > : > :I vote for two spaces after the period before the start of a new sentence. > :Even in the digital age, I've always found that the two spaces make > I guess they don't teach manual typewriting classes any more :-) > It *had* to be two spaces or you got seriously marked down! Doesn't apply here in Europe. I vote against putting in too much stars&stripes dependent stuff... ;-) Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 8:22: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F9514E83 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:21:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Smc659@aol.com) Received: from Smc659@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id nGCa001390 (3964) for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:21:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Smc659@aol.com Message-ID: <8a24adf3.24fe9e65@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:21:09 EDT Subject: Re: StarOffice giveaway of source code To: hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 3 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Heres what suns web page says: "Our aim is to .com office productivity. We are publishing the StarOffice specifications and will make the source code available through the Sun Community Source Licensing program to encourage industry-wide collaboration on future versions of the software. " I have the feeling that "Software Licensing Program" speaks $$$$. Also, note there is no place to download this software nor get into the licensing program. Cheers, Sam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 8:31: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from paprika.michvhf.com (paprika.michvhf.com [209.57.60.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F1B014E83 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:30:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vev@michvhf.com) Received: (qmail 24029 invoked by uid 1001); 1 Sep 1999 15:30:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:30:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Vince Vielhaber To: Smc659@aol.com Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: StarOffice giveaway of source code In-Reply-To: <8a24adf3.24fe9e65@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 Smc659@aol.com wrote: > Heres what suns web page says: > > "Our aim is to .com office productivity. We are publishing the StarOffice > specifications and will make the source code available through the Sun > Community Source Licensing program to encourage industry-wide collaboration > on future versions of the software. " > > I have the feeling that "Software Licensing Program" speaks $$$$. > > Also, note there is no place to download this software nor get into the > licensing program. Try: http://www.sun.com/communitysource/ Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null # include TEAM-OS2 Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 8:35:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [208.139.222.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6AD21534A for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:35:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlemon@americantv.com) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20911 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:33:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from free.pcs (free.PCS [148.105.10.51]) by right.PCS (8.8.5/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA16998 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:33:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by free.pcs (8.8.6/8.8.5) id KAA14113; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:32:12 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:32:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Lemon Message-Id: <199909011532.KAA14113@free.pcs> To: Smc659@aol.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: StarOffice giveaway of source code X-Newsgroups: local.mail.freebsd-hackers In-Reply-To: Organization: Architecture and Operating System Fanatics Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article you write: >Heres what suns web page says: > >"Our aim is to .com office productivity. We are publishing the StarOffice >specifications and will make the source code available through the Sun >Community Source Licensing program to encourage industry-wide collaboration >on future versions of the software. " Besides, Sun has done this before. Former NextStep people on the list might remember Lighthouse Design; they made several really good products, and Sun bought them with the intention to resell their office suite. So what happened? Objective-C got drowned by the Java tidal wave, and Sun apparently just dropped everything related to O-C in the trash can. -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 8:54:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 813D415386; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:54:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aledm@routers.co.uk) Received: from dinah.alice.net.uk (dinah.alice.net.uk [194.242.156.100]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA65517; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:50:54 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from aledm@routers.co.uk) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:50:54 +0100 (BST) From: Aled Morris X-Sender: aledm@dinah.alice.net.uk To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: Matthew Dillon , Mike Pritchard , chris@calldei.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Please review: rc file changes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: >On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > >> :> I've never heard of that. I've always found that two spaces >> :> after end-of-sentence punctuation makes things easier to read! >> : >> :I vote for two spaces after the period before the start of a new sentence. >> :Even in the digital age, I've always found that the two spaces make > >> I guess they don't teach manual typewriting classes any more :-) >> It *had* to be two spaces or you got seriously marked down! > >Doesn't apply here in Europe. I vote against putting in too much >stars&stripes dependent stuff... ;-) > >Andrzej Bialecki It does apply in the UK - two spaces is pretty standard. I guess this isn't an Americanism (for once!) Aled To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 9:33:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF10815510 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:33:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11MDJq-0004dW-00 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 01 Sep 1999 18:33:06 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 18:33:06 +0200 Message-ID: <17825.936203586@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi folks, I plan to add a user ``smtp'' with UID 25 and a member of group ``mail'', for use in running non-priveledged MTA's in FreeBSD. This is primarily for the convenience of maintainers of mail ports. The last time I brought this up, my request was blown away in a flurry of arguments against incorporating other MTA's into the base system. !!! DON'T GO THERE !!! This has nothing to do with what's in the base system. This has to do with making it easier for people to run 3rd-party software, which isn't part of the base system, in a non-priveledged state. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 9:42:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.aye.net (phoenix.aye.net [206.185.8.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A9A6154E2 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:42:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barrett@phoenix.aye.net) Received: (qmail 4459 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Sep 1999 16:32:34 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Sep 1999 16:32:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:32:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Barrett Richardson To: Mark Tinguely Cc: dennis@etinc.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IP address caching bug? In-Reply-To: <199909011328.IAA32664@plains.NoDak.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Mark Tinguely wrote: > > > It seems that an interface configured with an address, which is then > > deleted, and then set to a different address on the same network, the > > machine continues to use the original address although all evidence of it > > is gone. > > delete any static routes before adding a new address: > > # route flush > > most of the time these routes were automatically learned with normal net use. > FreeBSD has behaved like this for a long time. > > --mark. > While we're on the subject, I have a simalar problem. I have some FreeBSD servers that have a FreeBSD box as their default gateway. There is a Cisco routing device on the same segment. Packets from the servers to hosts behind the the Cisco go to the default gateway (this design is an interim design) as expected. The FreeBSD router sends a redirect to the server as expected. The server installs the route in the routing table as expected. But the server still sends packets destined to the host (behind the Cisco) to it's default gateway. I checked the arp tables when this occurs, and noticed that there is no arp entry for the Cisco. If I ping the Cisco to establish an arp entry, the problem goes away and packets are correctly sent to the Cisco. I also noticed the problem occurs when running a routing protocol such as OSPF or RIP that uses multicast. I've had to setup a cron job that periodically pings the Cisco to work around it. Any thoughts? - Barrett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 10: 0:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles549.castles.com [208.214.165.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68280154E1 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:00:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05971; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:51:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199909011651.JAA05971@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Jaye Mathisen Cc: Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Minor patches to pwd_mkdb In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Sep 1999 01:05:40 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 09:51:57 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Why is it OK for top to do it, but not pwd_mkdb? I probably end up > updating my OS faster than I add users to my password file... Top being wrong is not a justification for doing it wrong again. > Tweak the cache to 32MB's, and never touch it again, regardless of how big > your passwd file is... Then why make it a build option at all? -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 10:12:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id EC88514E3E; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9F71CD8BA; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:12:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:12:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Geoff Rehmet Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, markm@iafrica.com, jlemon@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TCP sequence numbers In-Reply-To: <199909010656.IAA04043@hangdog.is.co.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Geoff Rehmet wrote: > After a bit of work on TCP sequence numbers, and generating initial > sequence numbers which are difficult to predict, I have put some > code together, which I belive makes the way in which FreeBSD > generates initial send sequence numbers more secure. How do OpenBSD do it? > The patch I have developed is based on RFC1948, and also takes some ideas > from the way in which Linux calculates TCP ISS values. However, unlike > Linux, I am keeping the code true to RFC793's requirement for a > "fictitious" 250kHz clock. Instead of uising a cut-down MD4 transform, > (which is what Linux does), I have used a cut-down MD5 transform, with > round 4 removed. Just curious whether you have a reference for doing this or whether it was an ad-hoc change. Playing with cryptographic algorithms isn't usually a good idea unless you're sure, as I'm sure you know. > As with the Linux code, I am using 9 32-bit words of > random secret, which is rekeyed every 5 minutes. > The remainder of the sequence number generation is based on our existing > code. > > I have placed the diff in > > http://www.freebsd.org/~csgr/tcp_sequence.diff > > The diff was taken against -current as at approximately 0600 GMT > 1 September 1999. > > testing, comments would be appreciated. > > Once Mark has completed his work in devrandom, I will rather use > devrandom as a source of randomness. I'd expect Yarrow to be (perhaps quite a bit) slower than our existing PRNG - it's a more conservative design and uses primitives like SHA-1 (for yarrow-160). I don't know how much of an impact this would be for network performance. Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 10:26:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102C114C9F; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:26:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA42256; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:25:39 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199909011725.TAA42256@gratis.grondar.za> To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Geoff Rehmet , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, markm@iafrica.com, jlemon@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP sequence numbers Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 19:25:38 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'd expect Yarrow to be (perhaps quite a bit) slower than our existing > PRNG - it's a more conservative design and uses primitives like SHA-1 (for > yarrow-160). I don't know how much of an impact this would be for > network performance. I will doing Yarrow-1.0A, once the IPSec stuff is around. I expect to be able to tweak it so that this his is not too heavy, and customisable. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 10:32: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from unix2.it-datacntr.louisville.edu (unix2.it-datacntr.louisville.edu [136.165.4.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E8015392 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:31:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from k.stevenson@louisville.edu) Received: from homer.louisville.edu (ktstev01@homer.louisville.edu [136.165.1.20]) by unix2.it-datacntr.louisville.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA52156 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:31:15 -0400 Received: (from ktstev01@localhost) by homer.louisville.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22917 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990901133117.B19271@homer.louisville.edu> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:31:17 -0400 From: Keith Stevenson To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's References: <17825.936203586@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <17825.936203586@axl.noc.iafrica.com>; from Sheldon Hearn on Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 06:33:06PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 06:33:06PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I plan to add a user ``smtp'' with UID 25 and a member of group > ``mail'', for use in running non-priveledged MTA's in FreeBSD. This is > primarily for the convenience of maintainers of mail ports. > This sounds quite reasonable to me. We already have a precedent in the bind (uid=53) user. Regards, --Keith Stevenson-- -- Keith Stevenson System Programmer - Data Center Services - University of Louisville k.stevenson@louisville.edu PGP key fingerprint = 4B 29 A8 95 A8 82 EA A2 29 CE 68 DE FC EE B6 A0 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 10:45:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from terrapin.ru.ac.za (terrapin.ru.ac.za [146.231.128.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2358F14C11 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:45:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org) Received: from duca.dialup.ru.ac.za ([146.231.98.24] helo=mithrandr.moria.org) by terrapin.ru.ac.za with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11MERY-0008Fj-00 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 01 Sep 1999 19:45:12 +0200 Received: (qmail 57576 invoked by uid 1001); 1 Sep 1999 16:23:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:23:05 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Please review: rc file changes Message-ID: <19990901182305.D55125@mithrandr.moria.org> Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org References: <199908281738.KAA05273@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrzej Bialecki on Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 04:40:13PM +0200 Organization: Rhodes University Computer Users' Society X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed 1999-09-01 (16:40), Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > :I vote for two spaces after the period before the start of a new sentence. > > :Even in the digital age, I've always found that the two spaces make > > > I guess they don't teach manual typewriting classes any more :-) > > It *had* to be two spaces or you got seriously marked down! > > Doesn't apply here in Europe. I vote against putting in too much > stars&stripes dependent stuff... ;-) I was about to mention something about Britain, but I suppose we can't go about calling them European. (: And (at least in my school, which tries its best to appear British and colonial, and more recently my university) here in .za the convention persists. Of course, we could, like me, just never use more than one sentence per paragraph (making sure we use the correct conjunctions), which has always caused havoc in my brief involvement in user education and documentation. I'd also like to advocate the return of the semi-colon; it is underused. (Follow-ups to -chat) Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 11: 3:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A59E153C7 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:03:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from plm@smtp1.xs4all.nl) Received: from localhost. (dc2-isdn1930.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.155.138]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28445 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:03:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from plm@localhost) by localhost. (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05713; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:03:01 +0200 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3.2-s nfsv3/udp server daily panic References: <87emgkf233.fsf@totally-fudged-out-message-id> From: Peter Mutsaers Date: 01 Sep 1999 07:25:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: bag@sinbin.demos.su's message of "Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:17:22 +0400 (MSD)" Message-ID: <87btbnkxss.fsf@muon.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 20.4 Lines: 13 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> "AGB" == Alex G Bulushev writes: >> If you are running softupdates, try turning it off (but I doubt this >> is the problem). AGB> we dont run softupdate because of posible problems with nfs+softupdate Hmm, I intend to setup a FreeBSD NFS server, and was planning to use softupdates. What problems are there with nfs+softupdate? If these are in -stable, are they also in -current? Peter Mutsaers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 11:14:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from misha.cisco.com (misha.cisco.com [171.69.206.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09EBF14CAF; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:14:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@misha.cisco.com) Received: (from mi@localhost) by misha.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA29176; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:12:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi) Message-Id: <199909011812.OAA29176@misha.cisco.com> Subject: Linux StarOffice51 runs on -stable To: stable@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: mi@aldan.algebra.com From: Mikhail Teterin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL60 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG With relatively small amount of hackery, the StarOffice51 for Linux can be forced to run on FreeBSD. Both, the setup and the office itself. To run setup, you need to unzip the setup.zip (with the -L flag) and make all the libraries there known to the ld-linux.so. (I just added a new directory to /compat/linux/etc/ld.so.conf). Then -- run setup according to StarDivision's documentation. Before running soffice for the first time -- apply the trick described by Andre Albsmeier on http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=432982+436209+/usr/local/www/db/text/1998/freebsd-hackers/19980628.freebsd-hackers to the freshly installed lib/libosl516li.so mv libosl516li.so libosl516li.so.bak sed -e 's,/proc/%u/cmdline,/compat/linux/so,' \ < libosl516li.so.bak > libosl516li.so touch /compat/linux/so If Sun doesn't release the sources this month, I'll submit a port... -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 11:19:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3719514CAF for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:19:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13135; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:18:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA19088; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:18:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909011818.MAA19088@harmony.village.org> To: The Hermit Hacker Subject: Re: StarOffice giveaway of source code Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Sep 1999 11:01:36 -0300." References: Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:18:09 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message The Hermit Hacker writes: : From a marketing standpoint, wouldn't it make for some seriously bad press : for Sun to state "open source" and then turn around and not do it? *raised : eyebrow* Those who don't know about history are doomed to repeat it. Sun originally released Java in a fairly free and open way, then layer went back and tightened things ot the point that open source groups could not get copies. They fixed that, but Sun can be schizophrenic at times. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 11:21:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2991614CAF for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:21:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from faber@ISI.EDU) Received: from ISI.EDU (vex-e.isi.edu [128.9.160.240]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA20901; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909011819.LAA20901@boreas.isi.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: mi@aldan.algebra.com Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux StarOffice51 runs on -stable In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Sep 1999 14:12:49 EDT." <199909011812.OAA29176@misha.cisco.com> X-Url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 11:19:42 -0700 From: Ted Faber Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mikhail Teterin wrote: >With relatively small amount of hackery, the StarOffice51 for Linux can >be forced to run on FreeBSD. Both, the setup and the office itself. [snip] >If Sun doesn't release the sources this month, I'll submit a port... I for one would *love* a port of this regardless of Sun's actions. I say make and submit the port, and if Sun comes through and it's unnecessary, delete it later. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ted Faber faber@isi.edu USC/ISI Computer Scientist http://www.isi.edu/~faber (310) 822-1511 x190 PGP Keys: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubkeys.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBN81uL2lM93/mX/l7EQKtCQCgg6OILJ1NTrfL+d53LBTnGUcEs84AnRHB KlVKnYZF6IPQwsiXX+9cE0ZC =DWcn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 11:21:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CED615A8E for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:21:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13155; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:20:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA19125; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:20:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909011820.MAA19125@harmony.village.org> To: Sheldon Hearn Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Sep 1999 18:33:06 +0200." <17825.936203586@axl.noc.iafrica.com> References: <17825.936203586@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:20:44 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <17825.936203586@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sheldon Hearn writes: : This has nothing to do with what's in the base system. This has to do : with making it easier for people to run 3rd-party software, which isn't : part of the base system, in a non-priveledged state. I think this is a good idea. Plesae don't foget an "UPDATING" entry. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 11:33:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FCA41554F for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:33:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA37563; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:32:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:32:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199909011832.LAA37563@apollo.backplane.com> To: Peter Mutsaers Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.2-s nfsv3/udp server daily panic References: <87emgkf233.fsf@totally-fudged-out-message-id> <87btbnkxss.fsf@muon.xs4all.nl> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :>> "AGB" == Alex G Bulushev writes: : : >> If you are running softupdates, try turning it off (but I doubt this : >> is the problem). : : AGB> we dont run softupdate because of posible problems with nfs+softupdate : :Hmm, I intend to setup a FreeBSD NFS server, and was planning to use :softupdates. What problems are there with nfs+softupdate? If these are :in -stable, are they also in -current? : : :Peter Mutsaers I haven't encountered any problems with NFS serving a softupdates filesystem verses NFS serving a normal filesystem. This isn't to say that there aren't any bugs in NFS - there are - but exporting a softupdates filesystem verses a non-softupdates filesystem should not make it any worse. However, you should note one thing: softupdates bends the NFS spec considerably by not being able to guarentee synchronization, which may throw the clients slightly out of whack if the server crashes and reboots. That said, all of my NFS exports are of softupdates-enabled filesystems and that has never caused a problem for me. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 11:39:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dt010nb9.san.rr.com (dt010nb9.san.rr.com [204.210.12.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E8215ABA for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:39:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by dt010nb9.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA31315; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:38:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:38:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug X-Sender: doug@dt010nb9.san.rr.com To: Mike Smith Cc: Jaye Mathisen , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Minor patches to pwd_mkdb In-Reply-To: <199909010753.AAA03419@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > No. Try for a patch that guesses how big the password file is (try > using stat()) and tunes the cache dynamically. > > Hardcoding this at _build_ time is not any sort of "right" solution. Agreed on all counts. I'd also like to add a vote for this since we have multiple machines with 16k user password files. I had intended to start looking at the code and offer a solution instead of a me too, but it sounds like others are already on the right track, so I'll be glad to test something if someone comes up with patches. Doug -- "My mama told me, my mama said, 'don't cry.' She said, 'you're too young a man to have as many women you got.' I looked at my mother dear and didn't even crack a smile. I said, 'If women kill me, I don't mind dyin!'" - John Belushi as "Joliet" Jake Blues, "I Don't Know" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 12:10: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dt010nb9.san.rr.com (dt010nb9.san.rr.com [204.210.12.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A02C15527 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:09:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by dt010nb9.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA31651; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:09:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:09:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug X-Sender: doug@dt010nb9.san.rr.com To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's In-Reply-To: <17825.936203586@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I plan to add a user ``smtp'' with UID 25 and a member of group > ``mail'', for use in running non-priveledged MTA's in FreeBSD. This is > primarily for the convenience of maintainers of mail ports. Why not do this as part of the port itself, ala majordomo? That works just fine and is completely non-controversial because you don't get it unless you ask for it. Doug -- "My mama told me, my mama said, 'don't cry.' She said, 'you're too young a man to have as many women you got.' I looked at my mother dear and didn't even crack a smile. I said, 'If women kill me, I don't mind dyin!'" - John Belushi as "Joliet" Jake Blues, "I Don't Know" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 12:29:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from misha.cisco.com (misha.cisco.com [171.69.206.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50CF514BCF for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:29:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@misha.cisco.com) Received: (from mi@localhost) by misha.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA29436; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:28:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi) Message-Id: <199909011928.PAA29436@misha.cisco.com> Subject: Re: Linux StarOffice51 runs on -stable In-Reply-To: <19990901191834.29928.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> from "wwoods@cybcon.com" at "Sep 1, 1999 12:18:34 pm" To: wwoods@cybcon.com Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: mi@aldan.algebra.com From: Mikhail Teterin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL60 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG wwoods@cybcon.com once wrote: > Woulden't a port be the better option though? There are ports of Linux > based Netscape....... It would be, but I only have so much time. And if the source is available, I'd rather spend it poking around it. Or poke around something else (like tcl-8.2 released two weeks ago), knowing someone else is making the so51 happening. -mi > On Wed, 01 September 1999, Will Andrews wrote: > > > > > On 01-Sep-99 Mikhail Teterin wrote: > > > If Sun doesn't release the sources this month, I'll submit a port... > > > > I was going to update the source port myself.. ;P > > > > I don't think it's really possible to make a port for the Linux-bin > > version of StarOffice, as it requires X11 to be running (setup > > prog..), and requires hacking around with linux libraries. > > > > Besides, there are already howto's around the Net. Maybe you missed > > them.. look around at http://www.freebsdrocks.com/ and other such > > sites. I posted about this recently on questions@, search that mlist > > archive and see. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 13: 3:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED9915167 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:03:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id NAA15018 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:02:46 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199909012002.NAA15018@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's In-Reply-To: <17825.936203586@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >From: Sheldon Hearn >Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 18:33:06 +0200 >I plan to add a user ``smtp'' with UID 25 and a member of group >``mail'', for use in running non-priveledged MTA's in FreeBSD. This is >primarily for the convenience of maintainers of mail ports. >... >This has nothing to do with what's in the base system. This has to do >with making it easier for people to run 3rd-party software, which isn't >part of the base system, in a non-priveledged state. I think the overall idea is good, though my tendency has been to use somewhat higher numbers (like 65532 or 65533). And I do it with sendmail. At least in the case of sendmail, the queue directories should be owned by the user in question (especially if they're mode 0700). Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 13: 6: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2006A14EA5 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:05:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id NAA11696; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id MAA20669; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:56:09 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id OAA20801; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:05:05 -0600 Message-ID: <37CD86F0.193E0662@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 14:05:04 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Smc659@aol.com Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: StarOffice giveaway of source code References: <8a24adf3.24fe9e65@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Smc659@aol.com wrote: > > Heres what suns web page says: > > "Our aim is to .com office productivity. We are publishing the StarOffice > specifications and will make the source code available through the Sun > Community Source Licensing program to encourage industry-wide collaboration > on future versions of the software. " > > I have the feeling that "Software Licensing Program" speaks $$$$. You can read about the Sun Community Source License on their web site now. It is the same license that brings the JDK to FreeBSD. If they release StarOffice under the CSL, we would be able to: 1) Port StarOffice to FreeBSD-native without paying them a cent. 2) Return patches to the community. 3) Distribute binaries under whatever distribution Sun allows, as long as we don't charge for them, if Sun has a not-for-charge distribution. 4) Create a commercial, pay-for-it app suite and pay Sun royalties. > Also, note there is no place to download this software nor get into the > licensing program. Give 'em time. It takes a while to get that many lawyers moving. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 13:27:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from tahiti.oss.uswest.net (tahiti.oss.uswest.net [204.147.85.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD9015518 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:27:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pmckenna@uswest.net) Received: from uswest.net (otto.oss.uswest.net [204.147.85.81]) by tahiti.oss.uswest.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA35734; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:25:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from pmckenna@uswest.net) Message-ID: <37CD8C42.7DA0A422@uswest.net> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 15:27:46 -0500 From: Pete Mckenna X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Lynn Cc: Luiz Morte da Costa Junior , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: L440GX+ Server Board References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We have a few dozen running mostly as uniprocesser boxes. I have also put an adaptec 2940 in them and it works as well. You need to run 3.2 or better to get the drivers for the on board Adaptec. The onboard NIC works like any other Intel 10/100 using fxp0, adding a asecond nic makes the onboard fxp1 (for failover purposes, I assume) We like them, and are trying to get Intel to make the reporting of temp etc and power managment Unix friendly. You can get to the bios at boot time (remotely via a com port) as it is which is nice. Pete Kevin Lynn wrote: > > Has anyone else gotten this server board to work? > > I've got an N440BX and have been considering getting the L440GX+ but > haven't because I don't know if it works.. > > Kevin > > On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Luiz Morte da Costa Junior wrote: > > > > > Hi list, > > > > About the problem bellow, I bought a 2940 Adaptec Ultra2 Wide SCSI > > controller, but it didn't work too. > > > > I wrote to Justin T. Gibbs and he told me that my problem is not SCSI. > > > > Somebody has any idea? > > > > []s, > > > > Luiz Morte da Costa Junior > > Analista de Redes E-mail: morte@correionet.com.br > > Telefone: +55 19 754-2532 Fax: +55 19 255-7576 > > CorreioNet - Correio Popular Campinas - SP - Brazil > > > > > > On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Luiz Morte da Costa Junior wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I have a problem with a server running a FreeBSD 3.2. > > > > > > My Server has a L440GX+ Serber Board (intel), with network card 10/100, > > > SCSI AIC 7896 (80MB/s), 2 SCSI disk with 9GB (80MB/s), 2 pentium III > > > 450Mhz (not overclocked). The NIC and SCSI are onboard. > > > > > > I recompiled a kernel to SMP, and it worked. The server is ok, but when I > > > run a comand with disk access (whith vipw or mysql), the performance of > > > server goes down. My server stays very very very slow. If I use pine to > > > read my messages, it doesn't work. When the comand finishes, the server > > > stays "ok" again. > > > > > > I recompiled the kernel with "maxusers 128", but it doesn't work. > > > > > > My SCSI cable has a terminator and the scsi setup is ok (I think :) ). > > > > > > The dmesg command output is in attchmnt. > > > > > > I appreciate any help. > > > > > > []s, > > > > > > Luiz Morte da Costa Junior > > > Analista de Redes E-mail: morte@correionet.com.br > > > Telefone: +55 19 754-2532 Fax: +55 19 255-7576 > > > CorreioNet - Correio Popular Campinas - SP - Brazil > > > > > > > []s, > > > > Luiz Morte da Costa Junior > > Analista de Redes E-mail: morte@correionet.com.br > > Telefone: +55 19 754-2532 Fax: +55 19 255-7576 > > CorreioNet - Correio Popular Campinas - SP - Brazil > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 13:51:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from shadowmere.student.utwente.nl (wit401305.student.utwente.nl [130.89.236.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B0515617 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:51:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daeron@Wit401305.student.utwente.nl) Received: by shadowmere.student.utwente.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BAC4AFD; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:51:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shadowmere.student.utwente.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9164DF3; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:51:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:51:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Pascal Hofstee To: Doug Cc: Sheldon Hearn , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Doug wrote: > On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > I plan to add a user ``smtp'' with UID 25 and a member of group > > ``mail'', for use in running non-priveledged MTA's in FreeBSD. This is > > primarily for the convenience of maintainers of mail ports. > > Why not do this as part of the port itself, ala majordomo? That > works just fine and is completely non-controversial because you don't get > it unless you ask for it. I would just liek to point out that Postfix is also doing the exact same thing ... user postfix ... (as well as a group maildrop) -------------------- Pascal Hofstee - daeron@shadowmere.student.utwente.nl -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d- s+: a-- C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W- N+ o? K- w--- O? M V? PS+ PE Y-- PGP-- t+ 5 X-- R tv+ b+ DI D- G e* h+ r- y+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 14:19:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from caxton.correionet.com.br (caxton.correionet.com.br [200.246.35.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3B715A6C for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:19:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from morte@correionet.com.br) Received: from caxton.correionet.com.br (caxton.correionet.com.br [200.246.35.7]) by caxton.correionet.com.br (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA53673; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:17:11 -0300 (EST) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:17:11 -0300 (EST) From: Luiz Morte da Costa Junior To: Pete Mckenna Cc: Kevin Lynn , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: L440GX+ Server Board In-Reply-To: <37CD8C42.7DA0A422@uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Pete and All, On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Pete Mckenna wrote: > We have a few dozen running mostly as uniprocesser boxes. Ok. My server has 2 processors. I supose that you have some servers with 2 processors. > I have also put an adaptec 2940 in them and it works as well. What is the adaptec transfer rate? I have tested with a adaptec 80Mb, and it didn't work too. The chipset is the same the AIC 7896. > You need to run 3.2 or better to get the drivers for the on board > Adaptec. I have downloaded (with CVSup) to stable version, but I have the same problem. I have about 10.000 users in my master.passwd. When I runnig the vipw, my machine stay down (I can't send any e-mail, when I have the problem). Another test that I have done with my kernel was to put the flags below: controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 flags 0xb0ff disk wd1 at wdc0 drive 1 flags 0xb0ff controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 flags 0xb0ff disk wd3 at wdc1 drive 1 flags 0xb0ff It didn't work too. > The onboard NIC works like any other Intel 10/100 using fxp0, adding a > asecond nic makes the onboard fxp1 (for failover purposes, I assume) I think that I don't have problem with my NIC (Intel 10/100). > We like them, and are trying to get Intel to make the reporting of temp > etc and power managment Unix friendly. You can get to the bios at boot > time (remotely via a com port) as it is which is nice. I can't figured out what you want to say about BIOS :/ Thanks in advance. []s, Luiz Morte da Costa Junior Analista de Redes E-mail: morte@correionet.com.br Telefone: +55 19 754-2532 Fax: +55 19 255-7576 CorreioNet - Correio Popular Campinas - SP - Brazil > Pete > > Kevin Lynn wrote: > > > > Has anyone else gotten this server board to work? > > > > I've got an N440BX and have been considering getting the L440GX+ but > > haven't because I don't know if it works.. > > > > Kevin > > > > On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Luiz Morte da Costa Junior wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi list, > > > > > > About the problem bellow, I bought a 2940 Adaptec Ultra2 Wide SCSI > > > controller, but it didn't work too. > > > > > > I wrote to Justin T. Gibbs and he told me that my problem is not SCSI. > > > > > > Somebody has any idea? > > > > > > []s, > > > > > > Luiz Morte da Costa Junior > > > Analista de Redes E-mail: morte@correionet.com.br > > > Telefone: +55 19 754-2532 Fax: +55 19 255-7576 > > > CorreioNet - Correio Popular Campinas - SP - Brazil > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Luiz Morte da Costa Junior wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I have a problem with a server running a FreeBSD 3.2. > > > > > > > > My Server has a L440GX+ Serber Board (intel), with network card 10/100, > > > > SCSI AIC 7896 (80MB/s), 2 SCSI disk with 9GB (80MB/s), 2 pentium III > > > > 450Mhz (not overclocked). The NIC and SCSI are onboard. > > > > > > > > I recompiled a kernel to SMP, and it worked. The server is ok, but when I > > > > run a comand with disk access (whith vipw or mysql), the performance of > > > > server goes down. My server stays very very very slow. If I use pine to > > > > read my messages, it doesn't work. When the comand finishes, the server > > > > stays "ok" again. > > > > > > > > I recompiled the kernel with "maxusers 128", but it doesn't work. > > > > > > > > My SCSI cable has a terminator and the scsi setup is ok (I think :) ). > > > > > > > > The dmesg command output is in attchmnt. > > > > > > > > I appreciate any help. > > > > > > > > []s, > > > > > > > > Luiz Morte da Costa Junior > > > > Analista de Redes E-mail: morte@correionet.com.br > > > > Telefone: +55 19 754-2532 Fax: +55 19 255-7576 > > > > CorreioNet - Correio Popular Campinas - SP - Brazil > > > > > > > > > > []s, > > > > > > Luiz Morte da Costa Junior > > > Analista de Redes E-mail: morte@correionet.com.br > > > Telefone: +55 19 754-2532 Fax: +55 19 255-7576 > > > CorreioNet - Correio Popular Campinas - SP - Brazil > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > []s, Luiz Morte da Costa Junior Analista de Redes E-mail: morte@correionet.com.br Telefone: +55 19 754-2532 Fax: +55 19 255-7576 CorreioNet - Correio Popular Campinas - SP - Brazil To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 14:25:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9D114EBB for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:25:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E6FC01C0E; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E259A3815; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:27:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Luiz Morte da Costa Junior Cc: Pete Mckenna , Kevin Lynn , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: L440GX+ Server Board In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Luiz Morte da Costa Junior wrote: > > The onboard NIC works like any other Intel 10/100 using fxp0, adding a > > asecond nic makes the onboard fxp1 (for failover purposes, I assume) > > I think that I don't have problem with my NIC (Intel 10/100). The bus that the onboard NIC is on probably gets probed later then then the expansion bus. -- - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 14:40:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ns.skylink.it (ns.skylink.it [194.177.113.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C7314E2C for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:40:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hibma@skylink.it) Received: from heidi.plazza.it (va-139.skylink.it [194.185.55.139]) by ns.skylink.it (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA09011; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:38:12 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heidi.plazza.it (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA09163; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:54:37 GMT X-No-Spam: Neither the receipients nor the senders email address(s) are to be used for Unsolicited (Commercial) Email without the explicit written consent of either party; as a per-message fee is incurred for inbound and outbound traffic to the originator. Posted-Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:54:37 GMT Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:54:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@heidi.plazza.it Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: Pascal Hofstee Cc: Doug , Sheldon Hearn , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Why not do this as part of the port itself, ala majordomo? That > > works just fine and is completely non-controversial because you don't get > > it unless you ask for it. > > I would just liek to point out that Postfix is also doing the exact same > thing ... user postfix ... (as well as a group maildrop) Maybe a stupid question, but how do you figure out which uid is still available, if you don't want every port to include a UID scanning utility? Nick -- e-Mail: hibma@skylink.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 14:40:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from igate.4a.Com (igate4a.intergate.com [216.89.33.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0965150FA for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:40:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robby@igate.4a.Com) Received: (from robby@localhost) by igate.4a.Com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA17325 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:37:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from robby) From: "Robert G. Oliver Jr." Message-Id: <199909012137.QAA17325@igate.4a.Com> Subject: Re: Dialogic... To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:37:35 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mr. Greenman refered me to this mailing list for people who are trying to get dialogic drivers for freebsd. I would like to get in contact with people who are writting these drivers. I have source code for the dos drivers witch is public domain from what I can tell. Anyway, anyone instrested in written Dialogic D41/D drivers, please reply back and I will send you the tar ball I have. Rob > I was looking over the website and from what I geather, your the one that >can direct me to a group who is writting drivers for telephone stuff. I >have some source code that is public domain from dialogic for their dos >environment. I played around with it on freebsd but, this stuff is out of >my leag. Anyway, what I would like is to get intouch with people writting >device drivers and see if they would be instrested in this code? Any help >you could give me would be very helpfull. Thanks.... You can reach the FreeBSD development community by sending email to hackers@freebsd.org. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. ----- End of forwarded message from David Greenman ----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 14:46:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from finland.ispro.net.tr (finland.ispro.net.tr [195.174.18.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4691C14D99 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:46:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yurtesen@ispro.net.tr) Received: from ispro.net.tr (dyn-4-000.tku.netti.fi [195.16.219.1]) by finland.ispro.net.tr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA42493 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:44:47 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from yurtesen@ispro.net.tr) Message-ID: <37CD9E7C.FB04E606@ispro.net.tr> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 00:45:32 +0300 From: Evren Yurtesen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: nobody knows the answer? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I have sent this email a 2 days ago but nobody answered yet. Is there anybody who I can contact with about this? I need an answer because this is a serious problem for me. Evren -------- Original Message -------- Subject: free space problem Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:42:10 +0300 From: Evren Yurtesen To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Hello, I am using 3.2-Stable and I have a 9GB disk drive used as cache for squid proxy. I have changed the min free space with tunefs program to 0 but now I have a problem. Even though I have 250MB free space on the file system, I get file system full error. usr/local/squid/cache/disk1: write failed, file system is full cp: ./backup.28-08-1999.tgz: No space left on device turkey:/usr/local/squid/cache/disk1#df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/da0s1a 254063 90875 142863 39% / /dev/da0s1f 3432241 1684020 1473642 53% /usr /dev/da0s1e 127023 1234 115628 1% /var /dev/da1s1e 8617428 8363169 254259 97% /usr/local/squid/cache/disk1 /dev/da2s1e 8617428 7696737 920691 89% /usr/local/squid/cache/disk2 procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc turkey:/usr/local/squid/cache/disk1# the output below is taken later after I deleted that big backup file with the -i option of the df command Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity iused ifree %iused Mounted on /dev/da0s1a 254063 90875 142863 39% 5518 57968 9% / /dev/da0s1f 3432241 1686306 1471356 53% 50425 807621 6% /usr /dev/da0s1e 127023 1243 115619 1% 148 31594 0% /var /dev/da1s1e 8617428 7775826 841602 90% 700170 1458420 32% /usr/local/squid/cache/disk1 /dev/da2s1e 8617428 7717658 899770 90% 708745 1449845 33% /usr/local/squid/cache/disk2 procfs 4 4 0 100% 37 495 7% /proc turkey:/root# how come this is possible? also if now I am not able to use 250MB then is this mean that when the min free space was 8% which makes nearly 650MB of space; the system was not able to use 650MB of space for the defragmentation etc. stuff? because we are not able to access to 250MB so 400MB is left for the space and time optimazation thingies? also if I had 500MB hard drive then 8% would make 40MB but even under same load if I had 5000MB hard drive then 8% makes 400MB which is a lot of space... is not it possible for ffs to work with 40MB again? why does it need more space for time optimization? Evren Yurtesen yurtesen@ispro.net.tr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 14:47:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C2C14D9D for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:47:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id OAA13614; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id OAA25217; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:37:51 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id PAA22250; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:46:41 -0600 Message-ID: <37CD9EC0.D67C7F5B@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 15:46:40 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David E. Cross" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tulip device driver question References: <199909010534.BAA25548@cs.rpi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "David E. Cross" wrote: > > I am modifying the tulip device driver to support this xircom card. I have it > almost entirely working, *except* that it goes into infinite re-neogitiate > loops. The card probes correctly at bootup, but any attempt to change > information via ifconfig ("ifconfig de0 inet ..." and "ifconfig de0 up", > and "ifconfig de0 media 10baseTX" will all do it) results in it probing, > then resetting, then probing again. over and over in an infinite loop. > Ideas? Is this a real tulip, or one of the recent clones? Bill Paul has written a number of drivers for various near clones of the Tulip, none of which work quite like the Tulip (of course). See, for instance, the al, ax, mx, pn, vr, and wb drivers. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 15:17:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dt010nb9.san.rr.com (dt010nb9.san.rr.com [204.210.12.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5AE15475 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:17:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by dt010nb9.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA34063; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:16:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:16:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug X-Sender: doug@dt010nb9.san.rr.com To: Nick Hibma Cc: Pascal Hofstee , Sheldon Hearn , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Nick Hibma wrote: > > > > > Why not do this as part of the port itself, ala majordomo? That > > > works just fine and is completely non-controversial because you don't get > > > it unless you ask for it. > > > > I would just liek to point out that Postfix is also doing the exact same > > thing ... user postfix ... (as well as a group maildrop) > > Maybe a stupid question, but how do you figure out which uid is still > available, if you don't want every port to include a UID scanning > utility? It's not a stupid question at all. There is already such a utility in the majordomo port, perhaps make this its own port and add that as a dependency? We've already been told that postfix (one of the favorite replacement MTA's for our crowd) uses a different name and group, so this proposed change won't help it at all. My point is simply that fixing this problem is the responsibility of the port maintainers. There is no point in adding something to the base system that will only benefit a few people when a mechanism to solve the problem which does not affect people who don't want the port(s) is already available. Doug -- "My mama told me, my mama said, 'don't cry.' She said, 'you're too young a man to have as many women you got.' I looked at my mother dear and didn't even crack a smile. I said, 'If women kill me, I don't mind dyin!'" - John Belushi as "Joliet" Jake Blues, "I Don't Know" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 15:19:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [204.188.6.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 939F314C0D for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:19:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unfurl@magnesium.net) Received: (qmail 35923 invoked by uid 1001); 1 Sep 1999 22:19:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:19:47 -0700 From: Bill Swingle To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: MySQL and the quest for Finnish FreeBSD folks Message-ID: <19990901151947.A35794@dub.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hey all, Mike Smith and I talked to the MySQL folks at the Orielly Open Source show a few weekends ago. They were quite keen to imporve the quality of their FreeBSD port but they dont have much experience running a FreeBSD box much less one to actualy use. What I'm looking for is some people in Finland, where MySQL development is based, to 1) reccomend a local hardware vendor we can order a machine from, 2) help the MySQL folks set the machine up, and 3) offer extended help beyond the initial install. These needs can be filled by multiple people if need be. There isnt any real compensation for your time except knowing that you're further the project in this area :) Anyone that is interestee or know anyone that might be, please send me some email :) -Bill -- -=| --- B i l l S w i n g l e --- http://www.dub.net/ -=| unfurl@dub.net - unfurl@freebsd.org - bill@cdrom.com -=| Different all twisty a of in maze are you, passages little To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 15:23:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.33.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0276714F14 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:23:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from lestat (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA12747; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909012220.PAA12747@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> To: Wes Peters Cc: "David E. Cross" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tulip device driver question Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 15:20:55 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 15:46:40 -0600 Wes Peters wrote: > Is this a real tulip, or one of the recent clones? Bill Paul has written a > number of drivers for various near clones of the Tulip, none of which work > quite like the Tulip (of course). > > See, for instance, the al, ax, mx, pn, vr, and wb drivers. ;^) ^^ Especially this one.. it's not a Tulip clone :-) -- Jason R. Thorpe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 15:30:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from m4.c2.telstra-mm.net.au (m4.c2.telstra-mm.net.au [24.192.3.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF76015A4B for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:30:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from areilly@nsw.bigpond.net.au) Received: from m5.c2.telstra-mm.net.au (m5.c2.telstra-mm.net.au [24.192.3.20]) by m4.c2.telstra-mm.net.au (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA09728 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:27:39 +1000 (EST) X-BPC-Relay-Envelope-From: areilly@nsw.bigpond.net.au X-BPC-Relay-Envelope-To: X-BPC-Relay-Sender-Host: m5.c2.telstra-mm.net.au [24.192.3.20] X-BPC-Relay-Info: Message delivered directly. Received: from areilly.bpc-users.org (CPE-24-192-49-170.nsw.bigpond.net.au [24.192.49.170]) by m5.c2.telstra-mm.net.au (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA13400 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:27:38 +1000 (EST) Received: (qmail 50977 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Sep 1999 22:27:38 -0000 From: "Andrew Reilly" Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:27:38 +1000 To: Pascal Hofstee Cc: Doug , Sheldon Hearn , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's Message-ID: <19990902082738.A46667@gurney.reilly.home> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Pascal Hofstee on Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 10:51:10PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 10:51:10PM +0200, Pascal Hofstee wrote: > On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Doug wrote: > > > On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > > > I plan to add a user ``smtp'' with UID 25 and a member of group > > > ``mail'', for use in running non-priveledged MTA's in FreeBSD. This is > > > primarily for the convenience of maintainers of mail ports. > > > > Why not do this as part of the port itself, ala majordomo? That > > works just fine and is completely non-controversial because you don't get > > it unless you ask for it. > > I would just liek to point out that Postfix is also doing the exact same > thing ... user postfix ... (as well as a group maildrop) Another data point: qmail adds _seven_ new users, and one new group. It has a very paranoid security model. I think that it uses a script to add them, but maybe I did it myself. It was a while ago... -- Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 15:48:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-3.enteract.com (pop3-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6FF2F15561 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:48:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@tumbolia.com) Received: (qmail 29425 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1999 22:48:31 -0000 Received: from shell-3.enteract.com (dscheidt@207.229.143.42) by pop3-3.enteract.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 1999 22:48:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:48:31 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt X-Sender: dscheidt@shell-3.enteract.com To: Evren Yurtesen Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nobody knows the answer? In-Reply-To: <37CD9E7C.FB04E606@ispro.net.tr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Evren Yurtesen wrote: > I am using 3.2-Stable and I have a 9GB disk drive used as cache for > squid proxy. I have changed the min free space with tunefs program to 0 > but now I have a problem. Even though I have 250MB free space on the > file system, I get file system full error. You have almost certainly run out of file fragments. Space on FFS filesystems is allocated in the from of blocks, which are divided into fragments. These blocks are not the same as the physical disk blocks, but are a number of sequential disk blocks. The default FFS block size is 8KB. Each FFS block is subdivided into fragments. The default is 8 fragments per block, giving a default frag size of 1KB. A file on an FFS filesystem is made up some number of full blocks, except for the last block in a file, which may be a partial block. One of the reasons that FFS reserves 8% of the disk space for its own use is to efficently handle fragmented blocks. When a file is extended, the filesystem tries to allocate a full block for it. Having this reserve means that it is unlikely that the filesystem will run out of full blocks. What has likely happened on your machine is that you have lots of small files, which take up, say, 5 frags of a block. That leaves you with a bunch of fragmented blocks that cannot contain a whole file. Since FFS can't split a file over multiple fragmented blocks, you are told you are out of space. df(1) reports the amount of free fragments. Since you don't have any free full blocks, you can't extend files. To prevent this from happening again, increase the the min free space back to its default setting. You will not have this problem again, and you will very likely see a substantial improvement in filesystem speed. Most of the tunefs(8) tunables are not something that need to tuned by the user. If you are tuning them, you should have a full understand of what the tunables do, and what the side effects of fiddling with them are. David Scheidt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 15:54:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6695B15AA4 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:54:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.3/frmug-2.5/nospam) with UUCP id AAA14678 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:53:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id D9AC88711; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:39:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:39:28 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's Message-ID: <19990902003928.A33233@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: hackers@freebsd.org References: <17825.936203586@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <17825.936203586@axl.noc.iafrica.com>; from Sheldon Hearn on Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 06:33:06PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF ctm#5543 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Sheldon Hearn: > I plan to add a user ``smtp'' with UID 25 and a member of group > ``mail'', for use in running non-priveledged MTA's in FreeBSD. This is > primarily for the convenience of maintainers of mail ports. What about "mta", a name that was suggested (and used on hub I think) by Jonathan (Bresler) when we were talking about Postfix integration. BTW I'd still see Postfix standard in FreeBSD :-) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #73: Sat Jul 31 15:36:05 CEST 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 15:57: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8654615C3D for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:56:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@wintelcom.net) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA27361; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:13:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@wintelcom.net) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:13:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Alfred Perlstein To: Evren Yurtesen Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nobody knows the answer? In-Reply-To: <37CD9E7C.FB04E606@ispro.net.tr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Evren Yurtesen wrote: > Hello, > > I have sent this email a 2 days ago but nobody answered yet. > Is there anybody who I can contact with about this? > I need an answer because this is a serious problem for me. You may have a program that still has a reference to that file open. try shutting down anything that may have a file open on that partition, then restart it. you may have luck using 'fstat' or 'lsof' (from ports/sysutils) -Alfred > > Evren > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: free space problem > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:42:10 +0300 > From: Evren Yurtesen > To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org > > Hello, > > I am using 3.2-Stable and I have a 9GB disk drive used as cache for > squid proxy. I have changed the min free space with tunefs program to 0 > but now I have a problem. Even though I have 250MB free space on the > file system, I get file system full error. > > usr/local/squid/cache/disk1: write failed, file system is full > cp: ./backup.28-08-1999.tgz: No space left on device > turkey:/usr/local/squid/cache/disk1#df > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/da0s1a 254063 90875 142863 39% / > /dev/da0s1f 3432241 1684020 1473642 53% /usr > /dev/da0s1e 127023 1234 115628 1% /var > /dev/da1s1e 8617428 8363169 254259 97% > /usr/local/squid/cache/disk1 > /dev/da2s1e 8617428 7696737 920691 89% > /usr/local/squid/cache/disk2 > procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc > turkey:/usr/local/squid/cache/disk1# > > the output below is taken later after I deleted that big backup file > with the > -i option of the df command > > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity iused ifree %iused > Mounted > on > /dev/da0s1a 254063 90875 142863 39% 5518 57968 9% > / > /dev/da0s1f 3432241 1686306 1471356 53% 50425 807621 6% > /usr > /dev/da0s1e 127023 1243 115619 1% 148 31594 0% > /var > /dev/da1s1e 8617428 7775826 841602 90% 700170 1458420 32% > /usr/local/squid/cache/disk1 > /dev/da2s1e 8617428 7717658 899770 90% 708745 1449845 33% > /usr/local/squid/cache/disk2 > procfs 4 4 0 100% 37 495 7% > /proc > turkey:/root# > > how come this is possible? also if now I am not able to use 250MB then > is this mean > that when the min free space was 8% which makes nearly 650MB of space; > the system > was not able to use 650MB of space for the defragmentation etc. stuff? > because > we are not able to access to 250MB so 400MB is left for the space and > time optimazation > thingies? > > also if I had 500MB hard drive then 8% would make 40MB but even under > same load > if I had 5000MB hard drive then 8% makes 400MB which is a lot of > space... > is not it possible for ffs to work with 40MB again? why does it need > more space > for time optimization? > > Evren Yurtesen > yurtesen@ispro.net.tr > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 16: 1:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from gizmo.internode.com.au (gizmo.internode.com.au [192.83.231.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D42D15A6A for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:01:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from newton@gizmo.internode.com.au) Received: (from newton@localhost) by gizmo.internode.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA94560; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:30:06 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from newton) From: Mark Newton Message-Id: <199909012300.IAA94560@gizmo.internode.com.au> Subject: Re: nobody knows the answer? To: bright@wintelcom.net (Alfred Perlstein) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:30:06 +0930 (CST) Cc: yurtesen@ispro.net.tr, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Alfred Perlstein" at Sep 1, 99 04:13:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > I have sent this email a 2 days ago but nobody answered yet. > > Is there anybody who I can contact with about this? > > I need an answer because this is a serious problem for me. > > You may have a program that still has a reference to that file open. Nah, that'd still influence the display from "df". - mark ---- Mark Newton Email: newton@internode.com.au (W) Network Engineer Email: newton@atdot.dotat.org (H) Internode Systems Pty Ltd Desk: +61-8-82232999 "Network Man" - Anagram of "Mark Newton" Mobile: +61-416-202-223 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 16: 2:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED4815B63 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:02:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01514; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:56:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199909012256.PAA01514@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Ollivier Robert Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Sep 1999 00:39:28 +0200." <19990902003928.A33233@keltia.freenix.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 15:56:10 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > According to Sheldon Hearn: > > I plan to add a user ``smtp'' with UID 25 and a member of group > > ``mail'', for use in running non-priveledged MTA's in FreeBSD. This is > > primarily for the convenience of maintainers of mail ports. > > What about "mta", a name that was suggested (and used on hub I think) by > Jonathan (Bresler) when we were talking about Postfix integration. If we do this, I hope a more obvious name is chosen; something like "mailman" might be a start. Or "mailperson", or "postperson", or whatever. "mta" just feels a little obscure. -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 16: 2:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from tahiti.oss.uswest.net (tahiti.oss.uswest.net [204.147.85.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE3F155A6 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:02:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pmckenna@uswest.net) Received: from uswest.net (otto.oss.uswest.net [204.147.85.81]) by tahiti.oss.uswest.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA78086; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:59:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from pmckenna@uswest.net) Message-ID: <37CDB067.CA42C6FE@uswest.net> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 18:01:59 -0500 From: Pete Mckenna X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luiz Morte da Costa Junior Cc: Kevin Lynn , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: L440GX+ Server Board References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luiz Morte da Costa Junior wrote: > > Hi Pete and All, > > On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Pete Mckenna wrote: > > > We have a few dozen running mostly as uniprocesser boxes. > > Ok. My server has 2 processors. I supose that you have some servers with 2 > processors. I think just one that I used to determine it would work. > > > I have also put an adaptec 2940 in them and it works as well. > > What is the adaptec transfer rate? I have tested with a adaptec 80Mb, and > it didn't work too. The chipset is the same the AIC 7896. I'm not sure what you are asking. I havn't put an Adaptec 7896 into this motherboard, just added a 2940 to the built in 7896 and didn't have any problems. We use LVD drives on the A or 0 channel and they need external termination. I don't have transfer rate numbers handy but could generate some if that's what your asking ? > > > You need to run 3.2 or better to get the drivers for the on board > > Adaptec. > > I have downloaded (with CVSup) to stable version, but I have the same > problem. I have about 10.000 users in my master.passwd. When I runnig the > vipw, my machine stay down (I can't send any e-mail, when I have the > problem). > > Another test that I have done with my kernel was to put the flags below: This only refers to IDE drives not SCSI drives. We don't use anything other than SCSI in these boxes. Which are you using ? > > controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 > disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 flags 0xb0ff > disk wd1 at wdc0 drive 1 flags 0xb0ff > controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 > disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 flags 0xb0ff > disk wd3 at wdc1 drive 1 flags 0xb0ff > > It didn't work too. > > > The onboard NIC works like any other Intel 10/100 using fxp0, adding a > > asecond nic makes the onboard fxp1 (for failover purposes, I assume) > > I think that I don't have problem with my NIC (Intel 10/100). > > > We like them, and are trying to get Intel to make the reporting of temp > > etc and power managment Unix friendly. You can get to the bios at boot > > time (remotely via a com port) as it is which is nice. > > I can't figured out what you want to say about BIOS :/ These board have some remote managment capabilities that let you see the early ( pre -FreeBSD ) boot stuff like ram count, acess to the bois, and the Adaptec bios. etc Pete > > Thanks in advance. > > []s, > > Luiz Morte da Costa Junior > Analista de Redes E-mail: morte@correionet.com.br > Telefone: +55 19 754-2532 Fax: +55 19 255-7576 > CorreioNet - Correio Popular Campinas - SP - Brazil > > > Pete > > > > Kevin Lynn wrote: > > > > > > Has anyone else gotten this server board to work? > > > > > > I've got an N440BX and have been considering getting the L440GX+ but > > > haven't because I don't know if it works.. > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Luiz Morte da Costa Junior wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi list, > > > > > > > > About the problem bellow, I bought a 2940 Adaptec Ultra2 Wide SCSI > > > > controller, but it didn't work too. > > > > > > > > I wrote to Justin T. Gibbs and he told me that my problem is not SCSI. > > > > > > > > Somebody has any idea? > > > > > > > > []s, > > > > > > > > Luiz Morte da Costa Junior > > > > Analista de Redes E-mail: morte@correionet.com.br > > > > Telefone: +55 19 754-2532 Fax: +55 19 255-7576 > > > > CorreioNet - Correio Popular Campinas - SP - Brazil > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Luiz Morte da Costa Junior wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > I have a problem with a server running a FreeBSD 3.2. > > > > > > > > > > My Server has a L440GX+ Serber Board (intel), with network card 10/100, > > > > > SCSI AIC 7896 (80MB/s), 2 SCSI disk with 9GB (80MB/s), 2 pentium III > > > > > 450Mhz (not overclocked). The NIC and SCSI are onboard. > > > > > > > > > > I recompiled a kernel to SMP, and it worked. The server is ok, but when I > > > > > run a comand with disk access (whith vipw or mysql), the performance of > > > > > server goes down. My server stays very very very slow. If I use pine to > > > > > read my messages, it doesn't work. When the comand finishes, the server > > > > > stays "ok" again. > > > > > > > > > > I recompiled the kernel with "maxusers 128", but it doesn't work. > > > > > > > > > > My SCSI cable has a terminator and the scsi setup is ok (I think :) ). > > > > > > > > > > The dmesg command output is in attchmnt. > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate any help. > > > > > > > > > > []s, > > > > > > > > > > Luiz Morte da Costa Junior > > > > > Analista de Redes E-mail: morte@correionet.com.br > > > > > Telefone: +55 19 754-2532 Fax: +55 19 255-7576 > > > > > CorreioNet - Correio Popular Campinas - SP - Brazil > > > > > > > > > > > > > []s, > > > > > > > > Luiz Morte da Costa Junior > > > > Analista de Redes E-mail: morte@correionet.com.br > > > > Telefone: +55 19 754-2532 Fax: +55 19 255-7576 > > > > CorreioNet - Correio Popular Campinas - SP - Brazil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > > []s, > > Luiz Morte da Costa Junior > Analista de Redes E-mail: morte@correionet.com.br > Telefone: +55 19 754-2532 Fax: +55 19 255-7576 > CorreioNet - Correio Popular Campinas - SP - Brazil > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 16:33:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from moebius2.Space.Net (moebius2.Space.Net [195.30.1.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A73F1558F for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:33:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from maex@Space.Net) Received: (qmail 12940 invoked by uid 1013); 1 Sep 1999 23:32:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19990902013259.B4058@space.net> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 01:32:59 +0200 From: Markus Stumpf To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's References: <19990902003928.A33233@keltia.freenix.fr> <199909012256.PAA01514@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199909012256.PAA01514@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 03:56:10PM -0700 Organization: SpaceNet GmbH, Muenchen, Germany Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 03:56:10PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > If we do this, I hope a more obvious name is chosen; something like > "mailman" might be a start. Or "mailperson", or "postperson", or > whatever. "mta" just feels a little obscure. May I vote for NO more predefined uids/gids at all? I think there are already too many of them. If you get out of a FreeBSD only world to a *nix one, you'll run more and more into problems. Linux predefines some uids, Sun does, HP does, FreeBSD does, everyone does. But everyone uses different uids/gids for the same role accounts. uucp is 66:66 on FreeBSD uucp is 4:8 on SunOS uucp is 10:10 on Debian Linux uucp is 5:3 on HP/UX Even the group "users" doesn't any longer have the same gid on all platforms (if it exists at all). If you have a very heterogeneous network with lot of different OSs it makes it nearly impossible to use kinda default/out of the box configuration and standard tools and e.g. make use of NFS. If I have to go ahead and create all my role accounts myself anyway to get it consistent/secure, why would I need predefined ones? If you, however, can establish a GUANA and convince all vendors too agree on same uids/gids for role accounts, I'd vote YES ;-) \Maex -- SpaceNet GmbH | http://www.Space.Net/ | Yeah, yo mama dresses Research & Development | mailto:maex-sig@Space.Net | you funny and you need Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 | Tel: +49 (89) 32356-0 | a mouse to delete files D-80807 Muenchen | Fax: +49 (89) 32356-299 | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 16:38:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from cube.gelatinous.com (cube.gelatinous.com [207.82.194.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 75FDB154AD for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:38:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aaron@gelatinous.com) Received: (qmail 55057 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Sep 1999 23:35:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:35:59 -0700 From: Aaron Smith To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's Message-ID: <19990901163559.A54796@gelatinous.com> References: <17825.936203586@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <17825.936203586@axl.noc.iafrica.com>; from Sheldon Hearn on Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 06:33:06PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG this strikes me as unecessary. anybody installing a new mta can create the necessary users and name them appropriately. port maintainers have already solved this problem (see the install glue for the qmail port, which as has been mentioned creates _seven_ users.) it is not particularly hard, and the existing solution does a fine job. i have a feeling this "smtp" user would sit unused while people create qmail-* users, a 'postfix' user, etc. i'm a qmail user, i would end up ignoring this user if it were added, and it will be equally useless to the large number of people who stick with the bundled (superuser) sendmail. aaron On Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 06:33:06PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I plan to add a user ``smtp'' with UID 25 and a member of group > ``mail'', for use in running non-priveledged MTA's in FreeBSD. This is > primarily for the convenience of maintainers of mail ports. > > The last time I brought this up, my request was blown away in a flurry > of arguments against incorporating other MTA's into the base system. > > !!! DON'T GO THERE !!! > > This has nothing to do with what's in the base system. This has to do > with making it easier for people to run 3rd-party software, which isn't > part of the base system, in a non-priveledged state. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 16:49:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from cube.gelatinous.com (cube.gelatinous.com [207.82.194.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 363B714D9D for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:49:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aaron@gelatinous.com) Received: (qmail 55169 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Sep 1999 23:48:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:48:05 -0700 From: Aaron Smith To: BSD Bob Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Status of FBSD sparc porting? Message-ID: <19990901164805.B54796@gelatinous.com> References: <199909012314.TAA11490@weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <199909012314.TAA11490@weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu>; from BSD Bob on Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 07:14:10PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG there has been some discussion recently, and lots of volunteering. however, i don't think anyone has done any real work yet. i have a couple of sparcs to use for it, and several other people have sparc boxes waiting to test and contribute but no one has yet stepped up to lead the effort forward. from what i can tell the hard parts are: - pmap/mmu issues? - dealing with the different bus architecture(s) #2 is probably partially addressed by the new-bus work going on in -current which i don't know a lot about, maybe someone else can comment. both issues were tackled by net/openBSD for their sparcness, but there's enough divergence to make picking up the changes non-trivial, otherwise someone would have finished this already. however i think having the other sparc-capable BSDs as a reference will be helpful. my plan was to install openBSD on one of my sparcs and use it to compile FreeBSD code and start banging on this stuff, but i have not had enough free time to get going on it. aaron On Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 07:14:10PM -0400, BSD Bob wrote: > Hello.... > > I have been running FBSD for about 5 years, and am relatively comfortable > with it on x86 machines. But, I also run several sparcs of various > flavors, at home. What is the status of the FBSD Sparc port? > > Thanks > > Bob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 17:34:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from unix2.it-datacntr.louisville.edu (unix2.it-datacntr.louisville.edu [136.165.4.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D58156A7 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:34:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from k.stevenson@louisville.edu) Received: from homer.louisville.edu (ktstev01@homer.louisville.edu [136.165.1.20]) by unix2.it-datacntr.louisville.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA47260 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:34:05 -0400 Received: (from ktstev01@localhost) by homer.louisville.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA03643 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990901203407.A3289@homer.louisville.edu> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:34:07 -0400 From: Keith Stevenson To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Doug on Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 03:16:48PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 03:16:48PM -0700, Doug wrote: > > It's not a stupid question at all. There is already such a utility > in the majordomo port, perhaps make this its own port and add that as a > dependency? We've already been told that postfix (one of the favorite > replacement MTA's for our crowd) uses a different name and group, so this > proposed change won't help it at all. Postfix doesn't care what the userid/uid and group name/gid are. Calling the user "postfix" just appears to be a common convention, therefore the proposed smtp user would address postfix's needs. Qmail, as has already been pointed out, is a very different story. Regards, --Keith Stevenson-- -- Keith Stevenson System Programmer - Data Center Services - University of Louisville k.stevenson@louisville.edu PGP key fingerprint = 4B 29 A8 95 A8 82 EA A2 29 CE 68 DE FC EE B6 A0 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 17:40:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 608) id 7727815479; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:40:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: itojun@iijlab.net Cc: phk@critter.freebsd.dk, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, mark@grondar.za, core@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <20898.936089197@coconut.itojun.org> Subject: Re: KAME IPv6 and freebsd Message-Id: <19990902004027.7727815479@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Itojun, does KAME IPv6 and IPSec define additional facilities for syslog? I have been working with IPSec devices from a company called Network-Alchemy. They have additional syslog facilities including: IKE, IPSEC, L2TP, LOGIN (should be AUTH?), PPTP and others. Does KAME IPv6 and IPSec have these as well, or are they are creation of Network-Alchemy? jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 17:58: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (ns.mt.sri.com [206.127.79.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF84B14FC0 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:58:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA15313; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:58:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA23207; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:58:00 -0600 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:58:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199909020058.SAA23207@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Wes Peters Cc: Smc659@aol.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: StarOffice giveaway of source code In-Reply-To: <37CD86F0.193E0662@softweyr.com> References: <8a24adf3.24fe9e65@aol.com> <37CD86F0.193E0662@softweyr.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I have the feeling that "Software Licensing Program" speaks $$$$. > > You can read about the Sun Community Source License on their web site now. > It is the same license that brings the JDK to FreeBSD. *NOT* As we read it (The JDK folks), the CSL doesn't allow us to release the JDK on FreeBSD, so we signed a different license (the one from JDK1) that allows us to re-distribute binaries on the WWW. Besides, the CSL didn't come into play until JDK2, and we don't (yet) have a JDK2 for FreeBSD. :( Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 18: 6:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D0815479; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:06:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vanderh@ecf.toronto.edu) Received: from localhost.nowhere (ppp18342.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.130.22]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24997; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id UAA18387; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:48:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:48:59 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Ollivier Robert , sheldonh@FreeBSD.org Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's Message-ID: <19990901204859.B14974@mad> Reply-To: hoek@FreeBSD.org References: <17825.936203586@axl.noc.iafrica.com> <19990902003928.A33233@keltia.freenix.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <19990902003928.A33233@keltia.freenix.fr>; from Ollivier Robert on Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 12:39:28AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 12:39:28AM +0200, Ollivier Robert wrote: > According to Sheldon Hearn: > > I plan to add a user ``smtp'' with UID 25 and a member of group > > ``mail'', for use in running non-priveledged MTA's in FreeBSD. This is > > primarily for the convenience of maintainers of mail ports. Will ports adapt easily to this? Having ports add their own users and groups is fairly trivial. Using a single user:group could make some of the ports less standard (eg. most of the world does not run qmail under user ``smtp'' or group ``mail''). OTOH, I can see that having a common user:group would be useful and make some things easier, too. [I'm not saying I'm opposed; I'm asking if it really makes sense for the ports to use a single mta user:group ... I know some authors ( djb, of qmail [in]famy) would probably try to prohibit us from using a single user:group]. -- This is my .signature which gets appended to the end of my messages. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 18:20:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from coconut.itojun.org (coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A4B15546; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:20:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itojun@itojun.org) Received: from kiwi.itojun.org (localhost.itojun.org [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W/smtpfeed 1.00) with ESMTP id KAA26166; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:20:03 +0900 (JST) To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: phk@critter.freebsd.dk, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, mark@grondar.za, core@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: jmb's message of Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:40:27 MST. <19990902004027.7727815479@hub.freebsd.org> X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: Re: KAME IPv6 and freebsd From: itojun@iijlab.net Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 10:20:03 +0900 Message-ID: <26164.936235203@coconut.itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > does KAME IPv6 and IPSec define additional facilities for >syslog? I have been working with IPSec devices from a company called >Network-Alchemy. They have additional syslog facilities including: >IKE, IPSEC, L2TP, LOGIN (should be AUTH?), PPTP and others. > > Does KAME IPv6 and IPSec have these as well, or are they are >creation of Network-Alchemy? I believe those additions are by Network-Alchemy. KAME does not modify syslog (are these facilities, by any way, standardized?). itojun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 18:24:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6468814D2A for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:24:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vanderh@ecf.toronto.edu) Received: from localhost.nowhere (ppp6640.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.208.232]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04878; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id UAA18333; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:40:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:40:51 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Andrew Reilly Cc: Pascal Hofstee , Doug , Sheldon Hearn , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's Message-ID: <19990901204051.A14974@mad> Reply-To: hoek@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990902082738.A46667@gurney.reilly.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <19990902082738.A46667@gurney.reilly.home>; from Andrew Reilly on Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 08:27:38AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 08:27:38AM +1000, Andrew Reilly wrote: > > Another data point: qmail adds _seven_ new users, and one new > group. It has a very paranoid security model. > > I think that it uses a script to add them, but maybe I did it > myself. It was a while ago... The qmail port uses a script. The script uses pw. Note that qmail also has registered its uids and gids with the ports system. Because qmail has registered uids and gids, it is allowed to insist on getting a specific uid or gid number. I do not reccomend this for most ports. Most ports which require a uid or gid do not require a specific number (and thus do not require that the uid or gid be registered). These ports need merely add the required username or groupname from a pkg/INSTALL script. Qmail is an exception; qmail compiles the uid and gid numbers into itself. This caused the Linux package people much angst. :-) Of the many ports that require their own uid and gid, some of them are not good examples to follow. I believe qmail is ok (although it's pkg/INSTALL uses perl, which is sub-ideal). -- This is my .signature which gets appended to the end of my messages. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 19:32:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E0414D31; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:32:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vanderh@ecf.toronto.edu) Received: from localhost.nowhere (Hamilton-ppp44834.sympatico.ca [206.172.76.27]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA03818; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id UAA18387; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:48:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:48:59 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Ollivier Robert , sheldonh@FreeBSD.org Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's Message-ID: <19990901204859.B14974@mad> Reply-To: hoek@FreeBSD.org References: <17825.936203586@axl.noc.iafrica.com> <19990902003928.A33233@keltia.freenix.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <19990902003928.A33233@keltia.freenix.fr>; from Ollivier Robert on Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 12:39:28AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 19:34:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6101014EDB for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:34:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@wintelcom.net) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02890; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:51:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@wintelcom.net) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:50:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Alfred Perlstein To: Mark Newton Cc: yurtesen@ispro.net.tr, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nobody knows the answer? In-Reply-To: <199909012300.IAA94560@gizmo.internode.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Mark Newton wrote: > Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > > I have sent this email a 2 days ago but nobody answered yet. > > > Is there anybody who I can contact with about this? > > > I need an answer because this is a serious problem for me. > > > > You may have a program that still has a reference to that file open. > > Nah, that'd still influence the display from "df". Yup, *blush* -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 22: 0:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.is.co.za (mercury.is.co.za [196.4.160.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2DD31570B; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:00:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geoffr@is.co.za) Received: from ISJHBEX (isjhbexnode.is.co.za [196.26.1.2]) by mercury.is.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11286; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 06:57:58 +0200 Received: by isjhbex.is.co.za with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) id ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:02:59 +0200 Message-ID: From: Geoff Rehmet To: "'Kris Kennaway'" Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, markm@iafrica.com, jlemon@freebsd.org Subject: RE: TCP sequence numbers Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:02:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > How do OpenBSD do it? They use arc4random(), to add a random increment. > Just curious whether you have a reference for doing this or > whether it was > an ad-hoc change. Playing with cryptographic algorithms isn't > usually a > good idea unless you're sure, as I'm sure you know. Yup - dead right. The requirements in this instance are however also slightly different to what you normally use a cryptographic hash for. I want to let the code be picked at a bit before it goes into the tree though. > > I'd expect Yarrow to be (perhaps quite a bit) slower than our existing > PRNG - it's a more conservative design and uses primitives > like SHA-1 (for > yarrow-160). I don't know how much of an impact this would be for > network performance. If it is only used to generate a secret every 5 minutes, that should not be a problem. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 23:36:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from backup.af.speednet.com.au (af.speednet.com.au [202.135.206.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF9F1542E for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:35:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by backup.af.speednet.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA51950; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:34:49 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:34:49 +1000 (EST) From: Andy Farkas X-Sender: andyf@localhost To: David Scheidt Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nobody knows the answer? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, David Scheidt wrote: > You have almost certainly run out of file fragments. Space on FFS > filesystems is allocated in the from of blocks, which are divided into > fragments. These blocks are not the same as the physical disk blocks, but > are a number of sequential disk blocks. The default FFS block size is 8KB. > Each FFS block is subdivided into fragments. The default is 8 fragments per > block, giving a default frag size of 1KB. A very nice, simple, explanation. What are Cylinder Groups for? > > David Scheidt > -- :{ andyf@speednet.com.au Andy Farkas System Administrator Speednet Communications http://www.speednet.com.au/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 1 23:53:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C6714F5C for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:53:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id XAA40058; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:51:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:51:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199909020651.XAA40058@apollo.backplane.com> To: Andy Farkas Cc: David Scheidt , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nobody knows the answer? References: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :> filesystems is allocated in the from of blocks, which are divided into :> fragments. These blocks are not the same as the physical disk blocks, but :> are a number of sequential disk blocks. The default FFS block size is 8KB. :> Each FFS block is subdivided into fragments. The default is 8 fragments per :> block, giving a default frag size of 1KB. : :A very nice, simple, explanation. : :What are Cylinder Groups for? : :> :> David Scheidt A cylinder group is associated with the UFS/FFS filesystem, which is the standard filesystem that *BSD systems use. The filesystem resides in a disk partition. The filesystem breaks the disk partition up into a number of 'cylinder groups'. Each cylinder group is an organizational entity which contains inodes, bitmap blocks (showing what is allocated and what is not allocated within the cylinder group), and data blocks. It kinda looks like a mini version of the filesystem, in fact. When a file is created in a UFS/FFS filesystem, the filesystem attempts to optimize the placement of the file's inode, meta-data, and data blocks in the partition. The filesystem uses the concept of a 'cylinder group' to localize the proximity of this information and to attempt to control fragmentation as the filesystem fills up. For example, the filesystem attempts to place a file's inode, meta-data, and data blocks all within the same cylinder group to reduce seeking, but if a file is large the filesystem will limit the number of data blocks it allocates for the file out of any given cylinder group in order to avoid filling up the cylinder group (which would cause other files in that cylinder group to be laid-out non-optimally). In this case, the overflow datablocks are placed in another cylinder group. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 0: 4:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from backup.af.speednet.com.au (af.speednet.com.au [202.135.206.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F3D15579; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:04:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by backup.af.speednet.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA52036; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:01:38 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:01:38 +1000 (EST) From: Andy Farkas X-Sender: andyf@localhost To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Buslogic/Bustek/Storage Dimensions driver (MCA) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > I've rewritten the bt_mca driver to hopefully do the right thing. I was > trying to avoid excess code but I'll worry about trimming stuff down > later. > > Get the new versions of {aha,bt}_mca.c and recompile. linking kernel bt_mca.o: In function `bt_mca_alloc_resources': bt_mca.o(.text+0x38): undefined reference to `mca_get_irq' bt_mca.o(.text+0x70): undefined reference to `mca_get_irq' *** Error code 1 > > Thanks for doing such a good job of testing! > No wukkas. Could I suggest you show a timestamp or version number for the list of files on your web page? > -- > | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | > | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | > | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > -- :{ andyf@speednet.com.au Andy Farkas System Administrator Speednet Communications http://www.speednet.com.au/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 0:57: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from post.ruh-bath.swest.nhs.uk (hide14.nhs.uk [194.6.81.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA46314E1D for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:56:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rich@ruh-bath.swest.nhs.uk) Received: by post.ruh-bath.swest.nhs.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) id ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:58:39 +0100 Message-ID: <930BFA16390CD3119E010000F6E660C9A60C@fear.ruh-bath.swest.nhs.uk> From: "Wood, Richard" To: 'Aled Morris' Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Please review: rc file changes Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:58:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -----Original Message----- > From: Aled Morris [mailto:aledm@routers.co.uk] > Sent: 01 September 1999 16:51 > It does apply in the UK - two spaces is pretty standard. I guess this > isn't an Americanism (for once!) Not everywhere in the UK, or maybe it's an age related thing. I was never taught to use double-spaces and never have used them. Rich -- Rich Wood Home: rich@dynamite.org, rich@FreeBSD.org.uk Work: rich@ruh-bath.swest.nhs.uk, rich@systemagic.co.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 1: 3:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5890314EC5; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 01:03:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11MRoh-0005UH-00; Thu, 02 Sep 1999 10:01:55 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: hoek@FreeBSD.org Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Sep 1999 20:48:59 -0400." <19990901204859.B14974@mad> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 10:01:55 +0200 Message-ID: <21096.936259315@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 20:48:59 -0400, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > Will ports adapt easily to this? Yes. Those that already try to work around the absence of a reserved user will have to do less work. Those that run priveledged will be easier to transition to a non-priveledged state. > Having ports add their own users and groups is fairly trivial. You are right. But it seems to me that it's unnecessary work when there's already a username reserved for them. > Using a single user:group could make some of the ports less standard > (eg. most of the world does not run qmail under user ``smtp'' or > group ``mail''). From the sound of things, qmail is closer to the exception than it is to the rule, eh? If qmail wants lots of usernames, fine, leave it the way it is. Postfix and Exim in particular, though, would benefit from this addition. > OTOH, I can see that having a common user:group would be useful and > make some things easier, too. And that's all I want -- to make things easier. :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 1:43:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail-01.cdsnet.net (mail-01.cdsnet.net [206.107.16.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 31FDD14E22 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 01:43:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mrcpu@internetcds.com) Received: (qmail 13878 invoked from network); 2 Sep 1999 08:43:44 -0000 Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (204.118.244.32) by mail.cdsnet.net with SMTP; 2 Sep 1999 08:43:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 01:43:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaye Mathisen X-Sender: mrcpu@schizo.cdsnet.net To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: systat -- "The alternate system clock has died"... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hmph. Fired up systat on a recently supped 3.2-stable box (aug 30). Typed :vm, and the screen cleared, it drew the labels, then sat there for a few seconds, then said: "The alternate system clock has died, reverting to pigs display". However, that display shows no useful info either. :netstat works, :iostat works :icmp works, but pigs and :vmstat are no shows. Anybody else seeing this? Or is it make world time again...? It works fine on a box supped in july and Aug 24th... It's an ASUS P2B-DS MB. (The july box and this box, are both dual CPU, the August 24th box is a single processor.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 1:57:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDFB914C19 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 01:57:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA15868; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 02:56:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id CAA23855; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 02:56:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909020856.CAA23855@harmony.village.org> To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's Cc: Ollivier Robert , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Sep 1999 15:56:10 PDT." <199909012256.PAA01514@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <199909012256.PAA01514@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 02:56:51 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199909012256.PAA01514@dingo.cdrom.com> Mike Smith writes: : If we do this, I hope a more obvious name is chosen; something like : "mailman" might be a start. Or "mailperson", or "postperson", or : whatever. "mta" just feels a little obscure. postmanpete which is both obscure and descriptive. Sadly it may be sexist as well... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 2:28:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from boco.fee.vutbr.cz (boco.fee.vutbr.cz [147.229.9.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106A414E5A for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 02:28:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cejkar@dcse.fee.vutbr.cz) Received: from kazi.dcse.fee.vutbr.cz (kazi.dcse.fee.vutbr.cz [147.229.8.12]) by boco.fee.vutbr.cz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16932 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:27:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from cejkar@localhost) by kazi.dcse.fee.vutbr.cz (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02152 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:27:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:27:54 +0200 From: Cejka Rudolf To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: What to do with bin/7973 in lpd? Message-ID: <19990902112754.A1426@dcse.fee.vutbr.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I tried to post this question into freebsd-current but without response from commiters some time ago. So maybe in freebsd-hackers: -- Is anybody capable to solve or fix bin/7973 in lpd? I have found the problem is still there (FreeBSD-3.2). Or am I anything missing/doing wrong? bin/7973: Bad control file owner in case of remote printing. The problem is that print filters ("if" in printcap) cannot read control files cf* in case of remote printing (in case of local printing everything is ok). -- I think there are three possible solutions: 1) Close bin/7973, do nothing and say: Yes, we want this inconsistency between local and remote printing to be there. 2) Remove fchown() call from lpr.c (in case of local printing). 3) Apply my or another fix for this problem (in case of remote printing). Here is a new patch for 3.0-STABLE branch: -- "$FreeBSD: src/usr.sbin/lpr/lpd/recvjob.c,v 1.13.2.1 1999/08/29 15:43:25 peter Exp $"; *** recvjob.c.bad Thu Sep 2 10:04:46 1999 --- recvjob.c Thu Sep 2 10:21:22 1999 *************** *** 79,85 **** static int noresponse __P((void)); static void rcleanup __P((int)); static int read_number __P((char *)); ! static int readfile __P((char *, int)); static int readjob __P((struct printer *pp)); --- 79,85 ---- static int noresponse __P((void)); static void rcleanup __P((int)); static int read_number __P((char *)); ! static int readfile __P((char *, int, struct printer *)); static int readjob __P((struct printer *pp)); *************** *** 192,198 **** (void) write(1, "\2", 1); continue; } ! if (!readfile(tfname, size)) { rcleanup(0); continue; } --- 192,198 ---- (void) write(1, "\2", 1); continue; } ! if (!readfile(tfname, size, pp)) { rcleanup(0); continue; } *************** *** 218,224 **** if (strchr(dfname, '/')) frecverr("readjob: %s: illegal path name", dfname); ! (void) readfile(dfname, size); continue; } frecverr("protocol screwup: %s", line); --- 218,224 ---- if (strchr(dfname, '/')) frecverr("readjob: %s: illegal path name", dfname); ! (void) readfile(dfname, size, NULL); continue; } frecverr("protocol screwup: %s", line); *************** *** 229,237 **** * Read files send by lpd and copy them to the spooling directory. */ static int ! readfile(file, size) char *file; int size; { register char *cp; char buf[BUFSIZ]; --- 229,238 ---- * Read files send by lpd and copy them to the spooling directory. */ static int ! readfile(file, size, pp) char *file; int size; + struct printer *pp; { register char *cp; char buf[BUFSIZ]; *************** *** 241,246 **** --- 242,251 ---- fd = open(file, O_CREAT|O_EXCL|O_WRONLY, FILMOD); if (fd < 0) frecverr("readfile: %s: illegal path name: %m", file); + if (pp != NULL) + /* owned by daemon for protection */ + (void) fchown(fd, pp->daemon_user, -1); + ack(); err = 0; for (i = 0; i < size; i += BUFSIZ) { -- And here is cut from subsequent discussion: -- > Why would the filter be reading the control file? It is just a > filter, supposedly reading from stdin and writing to stdout... Yes and not. You can look into apsfilter for example. It gets from control file JOB, USER and HOST items in case of ASCII input printing. This information is used for "better" printing - ASCII input is converted into PostScript and some additional headers are added: "Printed by USER from HOST', "JOB name", date of printing and others. Why we should lose this feature? (But I don't know, if there is any other and better way how to fix this problem.) -- -- Rudolf Cejka (cejkar@dcse.fee.vutbr.cz; http://www.fee.vutbr.cz/~cejkar) Brno University of Technology, Faculty of El. Engineering and Comp. Science Bozetechova 2, 612 66 Brno, Czech Republic To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 2:40:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A3D14C0C for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 02:40:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11MTKY-0005wl-00; Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:38:54 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Aaron Smith Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Sep 1999 16:35:59 MST." <19990901163559.A54796@gelatinous.com> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:38:54 +0200 Message-ID: <22862.936265134@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 16:35:59 MST, Aaron Smith wrote: > this strikes me as unecessary. anybody installing a new mta can create the > necessary users and name them appropriately. This argument would get sysinstall removed from the release -- you can do without it when you're installing FreeBSD. > port maintainers have already solved this problem (see the install > glue for the qmail port, which as has been mentioned creates _seven_ > users.) it is not particularly hard, and the existing solution does a > fine job. I don't think so. I think port maintainers have had to work around something. I'm proposing a solution. So far, I'm hearing lots of emotional arguments against it. > i have a feeling this "smtp" user would sit unused while people create > qmail-* users, a 'postfix' user, etc. Actually, not. The postfix and exim ports, at least, would be taught to use the new UID when it became available in STABLE. I'm pretty sure smail and others would follow suit. Remember, _we_ control the ports and can have packages install for whatever ID we please. > i'm a qmail user, i would end up ignoring this user if it were added, > and it will be equally useless to the large number of people who stick > with the bundled (superuser) sendmail. And you can't imagine a time when sendmail runs non-priveledged? I can understand that many people won't use the ID. That's not a reasonable argument against it. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 2:43:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A1514C0C for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 02:43:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11MTOU-0005yF-00; Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:42:58 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Markus Stumpf Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Sep 1999 01:32:59 +0200." <19990902013259.B4058@space.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:42:58 +0200 Message-ID: <22954.936265378@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 01:32:59 +0200, Markus Stumpf wrote: > May I vote for NO more predefined uids/gids at all? This isn't about voting. It's about discussion. Emotional arguments and matters of personal preference aren't helpful. > I think there are already too many of them. If you get out of a > FreeBSD only world to a *nix one, you'll run more and more into > problems. The numeric ID is not important. Neither is the name. So long as there's something that people maintaining ports can use. I've followed Solaris' lead on the choice of name, ``smtp''. I think you may have jumped onto a bandwagon without checking where it's headed. :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 2:46: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2842B14C0C for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 02:45:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11MTPi-0005yf-00; Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:44:14 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Ollivier Robert Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Sep 1999 00:39:28 +0200." <19990902003928.A33233@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:44:14 +0200 Message-ID: <22980.936265454@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 00:39:28 +0200, Ollivier Robert wrote: > BTW I'd still see Postfix standard in FreeBSD :-) Please don't hijack my thread. I don't want my request to get lost in another flame war about this. If you must bring that up, please do so under a different subject line. :-) Thanks, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 2:48:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F166C14E76 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 02:48:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@florence.pavilion.net) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) id KAA68442; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:48:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:48:01 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Ollivier Robert , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Postfix standard in FreeBSD? Message-ID: <19990902104801.P88479@pavilion.net> References: <19990902003928.A33233@keltia.freenix.fr> <22980.936265454@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <22980.936265454@axl.noc.iafrica.com>; from Sheldon Hearn on Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 11:44:14AM +0200 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 11:44:14AM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 00:39:28 +0200, Ollivier Robert wrote: > > > BTW I'd still see Postfix standard in FreeBSD :-) > I'd like to see Postfix standard as well :) Joe -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? Technical Manager Viagra for your server (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 2:52: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from vnquila.ntrl.net (vnquila.ntrl.net [194.12.224.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA6D14E76 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 02:51:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mitko@mail.koral.bg) Received: from dpx20.tu-varna.acad.bg (dpx20.tu-varna.acad.bg [194.12.234.4]) by vnquila.ntrl.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA03434 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:50:27 +0300 Received: from www.bgzone.com (bgzone.com [193.200.17.161]) by dpx20.tu-varna.acad.bg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA52056 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:45:16 +0300 Received: from mail.koral.bg (mail [193.200.17.173]) by www.bgzone.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03874 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:49:07 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from mitko@localhost) by mail.koral.bg (8.9.2/8.8.5) id BAA00432 for hackers@FreeBSD.Org; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 01:08:30 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 01:08:30 +0200 (EET) From: Dimitar Peikov Message-Id: <199512312308.BAA00432@mail.koral.bg> To: hackers@FreeBSD.Org Subject: HZ changing Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG One question? Changing HZ in kernel config with lower than 10, for example HZ=5, stops some communications. It's true that machine goes faster to response for user activity, but some devices stop to work? Is it normal? Mitko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 2:54:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from post.ruh-bath.swest.nhs.uk (hide14.nhs.uk [194.6.81.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332BE14E76 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 02:54:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rich@ruh-bath.swest.nhs.uk) Received: by post.ruh-bath.swest.nhs.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) id ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:54:19 +0100 Message-ID: <930BFA16390CD3119E010000F6E660C9A611@fear.ruh-bath.swest.nhs.uk> From: "Wood, Richard" To: 'Josef Karthauser' , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Postfix standard in FreeBSD? Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:54:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -----Original Message----- > From: Josef Karthauser [mailto:joe@pavilion.net] > Sent: 02 September 1999 10:48 > I'd like to see Postfix standard as well :) Me Too!!!! Rich -- Rich Wood Home: rich@dynamite.org, rich@FreeBSD.org.uk Work: rich@ruh-bath.swest.nhs.uk, rich@systemagic.co.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 2:55:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399E314F1C for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 02:54:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11MTY2-00061d-00; Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:52:50 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Josef Karthauser Cc: Ollivier Robert , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Postfix standard in FreeBSD? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Sep 1999 10:48:01 +0100." <19990902104801.P88479@pavilion.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:52:50 +0200 Message-ID: <23164.936265970@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 10:48:01 +0100, Josef Karthauser wrote: > I'd like to see Postfix standard as well :) Thanks for the subject line change. I appreciate it. Now please make sure you've checked the archives on this issue so that anything you say this time around will be new. :-) I could save you a lot of time right now by telling you it ain't going top happen, and that the right solution is to have more package selection at install time. So invest you energy there. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 3: 0:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA80214EB4 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:00:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@florence.pavilion.net) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) id KAA70275; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:56:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:56:58 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Ollivier Robert , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Postfix standard in FreeBSD? Message-ID: <19990902105658.T88479@pavilion.net> References: <19990902104801.P88479@pavilion.net> <23164.936265970@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <23164.936265970@axl.noc.iafrica.com>; from Sheldon Hearn on Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 11:52:50AM +0200 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 11:52:50AM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 10:48:01 +0100, Josef Karthauser wrote: > > > I'd like to see Postfix standard as well :) > > Thanks for the subject line change. I appreciate it. Now please make > sure you've checked the archives on this issue so that anything you say > this time around will be new. :-) > > I could save you a lot of time right now by telling you it ain't > going top happen, and that the right solution is to have more package > selection at install time. > > So invest you energy there. Of course :) Although it's not as if I've not got enough things to invest in :) :). Joe -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? Technical Manager Viagra for your server (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 3:37:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from not.demophon.com (ns.demophon.com [193.65.70.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E0214D9C for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:37:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@not.demophon.com) Received: (from will@localhost) by not.demophon.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id NAA75968; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:36:50 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from will) To: sheldonh@uunet.co.za (Sheldon Hearn) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's References: <19990901163559.A54796@gelatinous.com> <22862.936265134@axl.noc.iafrica.com> From: Ville-Pertti Keinonen Date: 02 Sep 1999 13:36:49 +0300 In-Reply-To: sheldonh@uunet.co.za's message of "2 Sep 1999 12:41:15 +0300" Message-ID: <86671tsipp.fsf@not.demophon.com> Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG sheldonh@uunet.co.za (Sheldon Hearn) writes: > Actually, not. The postfix and exim ports, at least, would be taught to > use the new UID when it became available in STABLE. I'm pretty sure > smail and others would follow suit. Remember, _we_ control the ports and > can have packages install for whatever ID we please. The transition could be much quicker if the uid was added by a port (e.g. mail/smtp-user) and the ports that wanted to use it depended on that port. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 4:19:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from freja.webgiro.com (freja.webgiro.com [212.209.29.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F34914EEA for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 04:19:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 679141912; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:18:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6476249D3 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:18:47 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:18:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: MAC takeover Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, IIRC some time ago there was a vivid discussion about ability to change/set MAC address of Ethernet cards. I'm faced with similar problem right now: when building high-availability configuration it would be very handy to do MAC takeover instead of IP takeover. So, my questions follow: * which cards support it (that have FreeBSD drivers of course)? * is there some way to set it (I couldn't find any code in the ifconfig nor in the kernel)? Thanks! Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 4:52: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from medulla.hippocampus.net (medulla.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3577D14D75 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 04:52:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@netstor.com) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by medulla.hippocampus.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA20150; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:51:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas X-Sender: marc@medulla.hippocampus.net To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MAC takeover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andrzej: How about bringing up an additional logical or physical interface and spoofing the MAC address when the target machine fails? I really don't think you want to change the actual MAC address of a card...or do you? -marc ------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Nicholas netSTOR Technologies, Inc. http://www.netstor.com "Fast, Expandable and Affordable Internet Caching Products" 1.877.464.4776 416.979.9000x11 fax: 416.979.8223 cell: 416.346.9255 On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > Hi, > > IIRC some time ago there was a vivid discussion about ability to > change/set MAC address of Ethernet cards. I'm faced with similar problem > right now: when building high-availability configuration it would be very > handy to do MAC takeover instead of IP takeover. So, my questions follow: > > * which cards support it (that have FreeBSD drivers of course)? > > * is there some way to set it (I couldn't find any code in the ifconfig > nor in the kernel)? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 4:54: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from foobar.franken.de (foobar.franken.de [194.94.249.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D357214D75 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 04:53:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from logix@foobar.franken.de) Received: (from logix@localhost) by foobar.franken.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) id NAA21926; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:50:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990902135026.A21902@foobar.franken.de> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:50:26 +0200 From: Harold Gutch To: Andrzej Bialecki , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MAC takeover References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrzej Bialecki on Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 01:18:47PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 01:18:47PM +0200, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > Hi, > > IIRC some time ago there was a vivid discussion about ability to > change/set MAC address of Ethernet cards. I'm faced with similar problem > right now: when building high-availability configuration it would be very > handy to do MAC takeover instead of IP takeover. So, my questions follow: > > * which cards support it (that have FreeBSD drivers of course)? > > * is there some way to set it (I couldn't find any code in the ifconfig > nor in the kernel)? > I think Bill Paul wrote a tool to do that - you could try out http://www.freebsd.org/~wpaul/mac.tar.gz bye, Harold -- Sleep is an abstinence syndrome wich occurs due to lack of caffein. Wed Mar 4 04:53:33 CET 1998 #unix, ircnet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 4:57:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mrtc.org (waena.mrtc.org [199.4.33.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59E01550F for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 04:56:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from puga@maui.com) Received: from maui.com (puga.mauibuilt.com [205.166.10.2]) by mrtc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id CAA20619; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 02:06:50 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <37CE6523.847CE8A@maui.com> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 01:53:07 -1000 From: Richard Puga Organization: Maui Built Machines X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu, jflowers@ezo.net, randy@psg.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: WaveLan IEE problem References: <199908162135.RAA21309@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >To date I am still receiving the following error after a day or so of use >on only the near side of a point to point link. > >wi0: init failed >wi0: failed to allocate 1594 bytes on NIC >wi0: tx buffer allocation failed >wi0: failed to allocate 1594 bytes on NIC >wi0: mgmt. buffer allocation failed >wi0: xmit failed >wi0: device timeout Well since my last post I have purchased a New WaveLAN Turbo card and am running it on yet again another PC with a fresh clean install of 3.2-STABLE. I have tired more things.. I set the mtu of the wi0 interface on both the laptop (far side of the link) and the PC from 1500 to 528. I changed the IRQ from irq 9 to irq 10,11,... ect I have changed the frequency from 1-13 on each card. I tried each IO address on the ISA>PCMCIA adapter on the PC side. None of these things worked.. however it is interesting to note. The laptop on the far side has been running for some 20 + days and has only had this problem once. On the PC on the near side of the link it happens every day or so sometimes up to 3 times per day, however, I have the other Turbo card and ISA>PCMCIA adapter in one of my former router PC's on the same network which has been working for 4 days now. It is just sitting there doing "ping -s 2048 laptop" and no routing. So its only happening on the PC that is doing routing and has the ISA>PCMCIA adapter. Well that's it so far. If anyone has any suggestions Im willing to try anything!! Thanks again to all those who have helped:) Richard Puga puga@mauibuilt.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 6:44:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from moebius2.Space.Net (moebius2.Space.Net [195.30.1.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A2A8B1559F for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 06:44:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from maex@Space.Net) Received: (qmail 22921 invoked by uid 1013); 2 Sep 1999 13:42:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19990902154256.D4058@space.net> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:42:56 +0200 From: Markus Stumpf To: Sheldon Hearn , Markus Stumpf Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's References: <19990902013259.B4058@space.net> <22954.936265378@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <22954.936265378@axl.noc.iafrica.com>; from Sheldon Hearn on Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 11:42:58AM +0200 Organization: SpaceNet GmbH, Muenchen, Germany Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 11:42:58AM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > The numeric ID is not important. Neither is the name. So long as there's > something that people maintaining ports can use. I've followed Solaris' > lead on the choice of name, ``smtp''. The numeric id IS important. How do you think NFS maintains privileges across machines? This also has nothing to do with emotions ... it's my experience from the time I worked at the computing staff at the univ, where we had to maintain a few thousand users on a few hundred machines of all types. In some perspectives ($HOMEs, mail, standard programs, shared document space) the machines had to look and feel alike for the users. We noticed that the predefined uids/gids on the systems were nearly useless for that tasks (as they were all different) If in such an environemt the uid 25 is already used for some other service it's a pain to integrate new FreeBSD machines from the moment FreeBSD comes shipped with uid 25 allocated to a user smtp. \Maex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 6:45: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from misha.cisco.com (misha.cisco.com [171.69.206.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4B215483; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 06:44:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@misha.cisco.com) Received: (from mi@localhost) by misha.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA30983; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:43:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi) Message-Id: <199909021343.JAA30983@misha.cisco.com> Subject: Re: Linux StarOffice51 runs on -stable In-Reply-To: <19990902080802.A39802@internal> from Andre Albsmeier at "Sep 2, 1999 08:08:02 am" To: Andre Albsmeier Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: mi@aldan.algebra.com From: Mikhail Teterin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL60 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andre Albsmeier once wrote: > > Before running soffice for the first time -- apply the trick > > described by Andre Albsmeier on > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=432982+436209+/usr/local/www/db/text/1998/freebsd-hackers/19980628.freebsd-hackers > > > > to the freshly installed lib/libosl516li.so > > > > mv libosl516li.so libosl516li.so.bak > > sed -e 's,/proc/%u/cmdline,/compat/linux/so,' \ > > < libosl516li.so.bak > libosl516li.so > > touch /compat/linux/so > > I don't think this one is needed anymore ?!? It is. Without it, soffice keeps bringing up setup over and over instead of just starting the damn office. -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 7: 4: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA51155D1 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:03:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11MXQq-0006hV-00; Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:01:40 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Markus Stumpf Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:42:56 +0200." <19990902154256.D4058@space.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:01:40 +0200 Message-ID: <25760.936280900@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:42:56 +0200, Markus Stumpf wrote: > The numeric id IS important. > How do you think NFS maintains privileges across machines? I have no idea how NFS works. :-) I _do_ know that, if machines across the network need to know about magical IDs on their peers, then it's nothing like how SMTP works, and thus irrelevant to the username I think we should add. > This also has nothing to do with emotions ... it's my experience from > the time I worked at the computing staff at the univ, where we had to > maintain a few thousand users on a few hundred machines of all types. The tools which help you add users default to a minimum UID of 1000. If users have been added with very low UID's, they've been added manually. This change won't be uncomfortable for people who have their hands that deep into the system. More to the point, though, who cares whether the user's ID is 25 on one box, 12 on another and 2525 on a third? The _name_ is what we're looking for, here. > In some perspectives ($HOMEs, mail, standard programs, shared document > space) the machines had to look and feel alike for the users. > > We noticed that the predefined uids/gids on the systems were nearly > useless for that tasks (as they were all different) ID's _are_ useless for the task of look'n'feel. That's what usernames are for. > If in such an environemt the uid 25 is already used for some other > service it's a pain to integrate new FreeBSD machines from the > moment FreeBSD comes shipped with uid 25 allocated to a user smtp. I'm not catering for people who create accounts with low UID's and then try to 1) Merge in master.passwd entries from subsequent FreeBSD releases without using their eyes. 2) Install STABLE packages on RELEASE systems. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 7:17:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from pop111.ocn.ne.jp (pop111.ocn.ne.jp [202.234.233.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC4915ACD for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:17:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from academy@academyjapan.co.jp) Received: from pop111.ocn.ne.jp by pop111.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id XAA11469; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:15:39 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:15:39 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199909021415.XAA11469@pop111.ocn.ne.jp> From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?QWNhZGVteSBKYXBhbn==?= To: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?ZnJlZWJzZC1oYWNrZXJzQEZyZWVCU0Qub3Jn?= X-Mailer: Direct Email v0.22 Subject: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJUYlbCVTRUVPQyROJCpDTiRpJDshIRsoQkluZm8gb24gVmlkZW9waG9uZW==?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG $B$3$s$K$A$o!"(B $B$3$l$OJXMx!*(B Here's a good news for you, $B%[%F%k!"N94[!"C1?HIkG$!"N13X$K$b(B a news of the Videophone $B:GE,$J%K%e!<%9(B! over the normal coloer telephone line. $B:#!"@$3&$GOCBj$N4JC1%F%l%SEEOC(B All you have to do is just $B$N>R2p$G$9!#(B connect this videophone with $B<+Bp$N%F%l%S$HEEOC$K$D$J$0$@$1$G(B the telephone and television. $B#T#VEEOC$KAaJQ$o$j!*!J9);vITMW!K(B which you have in your home. $BEEOCBe$O!":#$^$G$HF1$8$G$9!#(B Telephone charge is the same as ever. $B1s$/$NM'?M$d2HB2$H!"4i$r8+$J$,$i(B Face to face communication with distant $BOC$;$k$N$G0l0B?4!*!*(B your distant family $BCMCJ$O0lBf$G(B69,000$B1_$G$9!#(B Price per unit: 6,9000 yen $B2<$r%/%j%C%/$7$F$_$F2<$5$$!#(B Please click left below. http://www.academyjapan.co.jp academy@academyjpan.co.jp $B%"%+%G%_!; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:24:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-hackers@scc.nl) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by mail.scc.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15952 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:21:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd-hackers@scc.nl) Received: from GATEWAY by dwarf.hq.scc.nl with netnews for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:20:55 +0200 From: Marcel Moolenaar Message-ID: <37CE87C7.13F71692@scc.nl> Organization: SCC vof Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990902080802.A39802@internal>, <199909021343.JAA30983@misha.cisco.com> Subject: Re: Linux StarOffice51 runs on -stable Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mikhail Teterin wrote: > > Andre Albsmeier once wrote: > > > > Before running soffice for the first time -- apply the trick > > > described by Andre Albsmeier on > > > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=432982+436209+/usr/local/www/db/text/1998/freebsd-hackers/19980628.freebsd-hackers > > > > > > to the freshly installed lib/libosl516li.so > > > > > > mv libosl516li.so libosl516li.so.bak > > > sed -e 's,/proc/%u/cmdline,/compat/linux/so,' \ > > > < libosl516li.so.bak > libosl516li.so > > > touch /compat/linux/so > > > > I don't think this one is needed anymore ?!? > > It is. Without it, soffice keeps bringing up setup over and over instead > of just starting the damn office. What is everybody doing? I run SO5.1 OOTB. AFAICT, there's absolutely no need for this kind of hackery. -- Marcel Moolenaar mailto:marcel@scc.nl SCC Internetworking & Databases http://www.scc.nl/ The FreeBSD project mailto:marcel@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 7:30:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B8D14DF9 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:30:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11MXqB-0006kE-00; Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:27:51 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Markus Stumpf Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:01:40 +0200." <25760.936280900@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:27:51 +0200 Message-ID: <25929.936282471@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:01:40 +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > The numeric id IS important. > > How do you think NFS maintains privileges across machines? > > I have no idea how NFS works. :-) I've educated myself and now see your point. :-) The point, though, is now simply that we should strive to come up with a ``mailman'' / ``smtp'' user whose UID is the same as that of as many other systems as possible. Solaris doesn't help me, because they use UID 0. :-) NetBSD have user ``postfix'' with UID 12. Slackware Linux seems to have a user ``mail'' with UID 8. I don't have access to other platforms. I'm inclined to go with UID 12, but if you could suggest something better, I'd appreciate it. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 7:31:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349F915BF4 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:31:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vanderh@ecf.toronto.edu) Received: from localhost.nowhere (ppp18402.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.130.82]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10799; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA01525; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:08:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:08:45 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's Message-ID: <19990902100845.A1098@mad> Reply-To: hoek@FreeBSD.org References: <19990901204859.B14974@mad> <21096.936259315@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <21096.936259315@axl.noc.iafrica.com>; from Sheldon Hearn on Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 10:01:55AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 10:01:55AM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > OTOH, I can see that having a common user:group would be useful and > > make some things easier, too. > > And that's all I want -- to make things easier. :-) I don't think you should add usernames/groups to the base system just for the sake of ports. 1) There are more ports than just the MTAs that require their own usernames/groups. Are you going to add these to the base system, too? I realize that we already have some precedence for this; see for example inetd.conf which contains sample entries for ports. The differences are 1) entries in inetd.conf are sample entries only, 2) ports have no way of adding those entries to inetd.conf themselves (since touching /etc is illegal). 2) The current system for having ports add their own usernames and groupnames is very simple. It is a little messy in that there are a number of different pkg/INSTALL scripts, some of them broken to various degrees. Simply adding an mta username:groupname won't solve that problem. Suppose you do add an mta username/groupname to the base system. Ports will still need to keep their various pkg/INSTALL scripts, since the ports need to work on older releases of FreeBSD that do not have the new username and groupname. You would need to modify the pkg/INSTALL scripts to use the new username/groupname and (depending on how broken the script is to start with) add it only if necessary. What about existing admins who have their systems configured with the existing usernames and groupnames? These people will have problems when they upgrade the port (possibly annoying problems). Will the ports be modified so that they use their earlier custom username/groupname in preference to the standardized username/groupname? This is a lot of complexity you're adding simply for the sake of having a unified username and groupname added to the base system. 3) We try to keep the ports system roughly independent of the base system, and vice-a-versa. Do you plan to make sendmail use this new mta id (is that even possible?)? Or will this id be added solely for the use of the ports system? (Yes, I am aware of historical raisins such as the news id). If only the latter, then adding a new id is probably not a good idea. If what you want is to have all the MTAs run under a single user/group-name, then you should modify each of the ports. The ports can then add the user/group as necessary, which works for almost any release of FreeBSD. While you are doing this, you could also fix the ports to use a more-or-less common pkg/INSTALL script (although a copy should be carried with each port, rather than sharing only one copy); last time I looked at this, I came close to proposing an addition to bsd.port.mk, too. The only argument you've really made is that adding a user/group -name to the base system will make some things simpler. However, this also adds complexity elsewhere. Further, it is a fairly slippery slope. Adding user/group-names for every port wanting one is a fairly bad idea because of a) loss of single-point customizability for individual ports (eg. changing for local purposes the username used by a given port is now more work), b) backwards-compatibility requirements (ie. work on older releases of FreeBSD w/o custom uid/gid-s) of the ports system, and c) we may eventually collide with names added by admins on their own system (there is a de-facto standard of reserving the first 100 id # that helps lessen the likelihood of this, but it is i) only a de-facto standard, ii) only the first 100). -- This is my .signature which gets appended to the end of my messages. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 7:37:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D8B15ABF; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:37:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11MXzD-0006mc-00; Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:37:11 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: hoek@FreeBSD.org Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Sep 1999 10:08:45 -0400." <19990902100845.A1098@mad> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:37:11 +0200 Message-ID: <26077.936283031@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 10:08:45 -0400, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > 3) We try to keep the ports system roughly independent of the base > system, and vice-a-versa. Do you plan to make sendmail use this new > mta id (is that even possible?)? It's certainly something I'd like to take a shot at, yes. Perhaps I'm going about this the wrong way. Perhaps I should first provide a knob that allows sendmail to be run non-priveledged. Once that's done, add a user for it to run as. > c) we may eventually collide with names added by admins on their own > system (there is a de-facto standard of reserving the first 100 id # > that helps lessen the likelihood of this, but it is i) only a de-facto > standard, ii) only the first 100). Perhaps I'm relying too heavily on admins to adhere to this rule. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 7:54:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (quackerjack.cc.vt.edu [198.82.160.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E3414D63 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:54:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10557; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA29712; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909021453.KAA29712@sable.cc.vt.edu> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <25760.936280900@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 10:53:22 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Sheldon Hearn Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, Markus Stumpf Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 02-Sep-99 Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:42:56 +0200, Markus Stumpf wrote: > >> The numeric id IS important. >> How do you think NFS maintains privileges across machines? > > I have no idea how NFS works. :-) Time to learn. The uid/guid is only stored as a number, and this number is sent across NFS, that's all, no name. So, suppose I have the stmp:25 user on my BSD box. Now, I export my mail spool to other computers so that users can read their mail everywhere. Suppose user 25 on some other Unix flavor boxes is the www user. Then, the www user will have access to the mail spool, but not that other Unix's mail owner. Thus, for admin purposes, and admininistrative users that "own" a service have to be setup by the admins to make sure the uid/gid is the same everywhere. The admin can't count on the built-in uid/gid's since they vary from Unix to Unix. > I _do_ know that, if machines across the network need to know about > magical IDs on their peers, then it's nothing like how SMTP works, > and > thus irrelevant to the username I think we should add. It's not SMTP that is a problem, its NFS and the actual sharing of the drive space. >> This also has nothing to do with emotions ... it's my experience >> from >> the time I worked at the computing staff at the univ, where we had >> to >> maintain a few thousand users on a few hundred machines of all >> types. > > The tools which help you add users default to a minimum UID of 1000. > If > users have been added with very low UID's, they've been added > manually. > This change won't be uncomfortable for people who have their hands > that > deep into the system. That's how it works on FreeBSD, it doesn't necessarily work that on other Unices. The problem has to do with the interaction of FreeBSD with other Unices. > More to the point, though, who cares whether the user's ID is 25 on > one > box, 12 on another and 2525 on a third? The _name_ is what we're > looking > for, here. NFS does. That's his point. ;) >> In some perspectives ($HOMEs, mail, standard programs, shared >> document >> space) the machines had to look and feel alike for the users. >> >> We noticed that the predefined uids/gids on the systems were nearly >> useless for that tasks (as they were all different) > > ID's _are_ useless for the task of look'n'feel. That's what usernames > are for. Yes, usernames are for look and feel, but usernames are keyed on user ID's, so if the user ID's don't match, the usernames will change from machine to machine. Suppose on machine foo user a has id 400 and user b has id 401. Now, suppose on machine bar user a has id 401 and user b has id 400. Then, on machine bar, user a can't read his mail or home directory (assumiing they are exported from machine foo to machine bar), but he can read user b's mail and write to user b's home directory. This is why uid/gid's have to be consistent for shared filesystems and users. >> If in such an environemt the uid 25 is already used for some other >> service it's a pain to integrate new FreeBSD machines from the >> moment FreeBSD comes shipped with uid 25 allocated to a user smtp. > > I'm not catering for people who create accounts with low UID's and > then > try to > > 1) Merge in master.passwd entries from subsequent FreeBSD > releases without using their eyes. > > 2) Install STABLE packages on RELEASE systems. > > Ciao, > Sheldon. The problem is that you cannot assume a FreeBSD-only environment. Also, since sendmail wouldn't use the smtp user and the ports for the other mailers already create the necessary user(s) (and since qmail requires 7 users), smtp would go unused, unless the postfix/exim ports were modified to use smtp instead of their own users. So, we then have a mandatory, pre-installed user that is not used in the base system but only by 2 external packages that already have the facilities to create the users you need. --- John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jbaldwin/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jbaldwin/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 7:54:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from misha.cisco.com (misha.cisco.com [171.69.206.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB5415659 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:54:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@misha.cisco.com) Received: (from mi@localhost) by misha.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA31186; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:53:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi) Message-Id: <199909021453.KAA31186@misha.cisco.com> Subject: Re: Linux StarOffice51 runs on -stable In-Reply-To: <37CE87C7.13F71692@scc.nl> from Marcel Moolenaar at "Sep 2, 1999 04:20:55 pm" To: Marcel Moolenaar Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: mi@aldan.algebra.com From: Mikhail Teterin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL60 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Marcel Moolenaar once wrote: > > > > > > I don't think this one is needed anymore ?!? > > > > It is. Without it, soffice keeps bringing up setup over and over > > instead of just starting the damn office. > > What is everybody doing? I run SO5.1 OOTB. AFAICT, there's absolutely > no need for this kind of hackery. Like I said. On my system, the soffice would restart setup over and over without the hack. I don't know why. After I applied the hack, it started the office. Are you running -current, may be? Because I'm on -stable. -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 8: 3:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from paprika.michvhf.com (paprika.michvhf.com [209.57.60.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D10515AF6 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:03:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vev@michvhf.com) Received: (qmail 27492 invoked by uid 1001); 2 Sep 1999 15:02:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:02:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Vince Vielhaber To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux StarOffice51 runs on -stable In-Reply-To: <199909021453.KAA31186@misha.cisco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > Marcel Moolenaar once wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don't think this one is needed anymore ?!? > > > > > > It is. Without it, soffice keeps bringing up setup over and over > > > instead of just starting the damn office. > > > > What is everybody doing? I run SO5.1 OOTB. AFAICT, there's absolutely > > no need for this kind of hackery. > > Like I said. On my system, the soffice would restart setup over and over > without the hack. I don't know why. After I applied the hack, it started > the office. Are you running -current, may be? Because I'm on -stable. There was a patch posted on the freebsd.misc newsgroup the other day for procfs that eliminates the need for the "hackery". It's supposed to be already in -current and I don't recall if it's supposed to be in -stable now or just apply cleanly to -stable. I got it to apply to 3.2-CD but had to do some of it manually. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null # include TEAM-OS2 Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 8: 4: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from lion.butya.kz (butya-gw.butya.kz [194.87.112.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7728515020; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:03:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bp@butya.kz) Received: from bp (helo=localhost) by lion.butya.kz with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11MYOI-000OrW-00; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:03:06 +0700 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:03:06 +0700 (ALMST) From: Boris Popov To: adrian@freebsd.org Cc: Doug Rabson , "Andrew J. Korty" , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch In-Reply-To: <19990901003014.A1215@ewok.creative.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 adrian@freebsd.org wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Andrew J. Korty wrote: > > > > > I provided a solution via send-pr (bin/11031) over four months ago, > > > which is, in my opinion, superior in many ways to this sysctl > > > approach. The patch contains an amendment to the mount(1) manual > > > page. > > > > I have not reviewed this pr myself but it seems like a well thought out > > change to the system. Would the people who are involved with the current > > (more limited) proposed change like to review this and possibly use it > > instead. I don't want to lose anyones work here if it could be useful. > > You realise that this kind of stuff can be done in kernelspace, > without needing yet another setuid binary/binaries.. Well, sysctl with list of pathes for user mounts looks good. Configuration is simple and can be easliy changed at runtime. It is always better to avoid setuid'ed binaries, this is more worse that mount(8) can execute other mount_* binaries. However, as pointed by Mike Smith, enabling user mounts raises a risc of kernel panics from, for example, corrupted floppy disk. This should lead to more stronger *fs code. -- Boris Popov http://www.butya.kz/~bp/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 8: 9:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9349915480 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:09:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vanderh@ecf.toronto.edu) Received: from localhost.nowhere (Hamilton-ppp44902.sympatico.ca [206.172.76.95]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24670; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA03144; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:06:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:06:41 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's Message-ID: <19990902110641.A2762@mad> Reply-To: hoek@FreeBSD.org References: <19990902100845.A1098@mad> <26077.936283031@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <26077.936283031@axl.noc.iafrica.com>; from Sheldon Hearn on Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 04:37:11PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 04:37:11PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > It's certainly something I'd like to take a shot at, yes. Perhaps I'm > going about this the wrong way. Perhaps I should first provide a knob > that allows sendmail to be run non-priveledged. Once that's done, add a > user for it to run as. And then once that new user has had considerable time to settle, rip all the user/group stuff from the mta ports and change them to use an arbitrary user/group that defaults to whatever you added for sendmail. But if you go about it this way, give the new user:group time to settle so that ripping the pkg/INSTALL scripts (which are used for both binary packages _and_ build-from-source ports) breaks only a few people. [I think this has been mentioned before, too, but don't try to change the ids qmail uses or the author may try to stand on certain legal rights he has retained.] -- This is my .signature which gets appended to the end of my messages. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 8:10:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from gaia.euronet.nl (gaia.euronet.nl [194.134.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826C215B6F for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:10:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@scc.nl) Received: from scones.sup.scc.nl (i148.ztm.euronet.nl [194.134.112.109]) by gaia.euronet.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13504; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:10:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from scc.nl (scones.sup.scc.nl [192.168.2.4]) by scones.sup.scc.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19446; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:10:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marcel@scc.nl) Message-ID: <37CE935D.BCB661AC@scc.nl> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 17:10:21 +0200 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: SCC vof X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mi@aldan.algebra.com Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux StarOffice51 runs on -stable References: <199909021453.KAA31186@misha.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mikhail Teterin wrote: > > Marcel Moolenaar once wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don't think this one is needed anymore ?!? > > > > > > It is. Without it, soffice keeps bringing up setup over and over > > > instead of just starting the damn office. > > > > What is everybody doing? I run SO5.1 OOTB. AFAICT, there's absolutely > > no need for this kind of hackery. > > Like I said. On my system, the soffice would restart setup over and over > without the hack. I don't know why. After I applied the hack, it started > the office. Are you running -current, may be? Because I'm on -stable. SO5.1 installs OOTB on both -current and -stable. I suspect your -stable is not recent? -- Marcel Moolenaar mailto:marcel@scc.nl SCC Internetworking & Databases http://www.scc.nl/ The FreeBSD project mailto:marcel@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 8:12:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489B315B86; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:11:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11MYWb-0006x5-00; Thu, 02 Sep 1999 17:11:41 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: hoek@FreeBSD.org Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:06:41 -0400." <19990902110641.A2762@mad> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 17:11:41 +0200 Message-ID: <26726.936285101@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:06:41 -0400, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > And then once that new user has had considerable time to settle, rip > all the user/group stuff from the mta ports and change them to use an > arbitrary user/group that defaults to whatever you added for sendmail. My intention was never to do anything in a hurry. :-) The problem is still the selection of an ID for mailnull / sendmail. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 8:31: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from gaia.euronet.nl (gaia.euronet.nl [194.134.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FEB15659 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:31:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@scc.nl) Received: from scones.sup.scc.nl (i225.ztm.euronet.nl [194.134.67.26]) by gaia.euronet.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA25714; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:30:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from scc.nl (scones.sup.scc.nl [192.168.2.4]) by scones.sup.scc.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21944; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:30:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marcel@scc.nl) Message-ID: <37CE9830.73A6DE12@scc.nl> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 17:30:56 +0200 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: SCC vof X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vince Vielhaber Cc: Mikhail Teterin , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux StarOffice51 runs on -stable References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Vince Vielhaber wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > > > Marcel Moolenaar once wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think this one is needed anymore ?!? > > > > > > > > It is. Without it, soffice keeps bringing up setup over and over > > > > instead of just starting the damn office. > > > > > > What is everybody doing? I run SO5.1 OOTB. AFAICT, there's absolutely > > > no need for this kind of hackery. > > > > Like I said. On my system, the soffice would restart setup over and over > > without the hack. I don't know why. After I applied the hack, it started > > the office. Are you running -current, may be? Because I'm on -stable. > > There was a patch posted on the freebsd.misc newsgroup the other day for > procfs that eliminates the need for the "hackery". It's supposed to be > already in -current and I don't recall if it's supposed to be in -stable > now or just apply cleanly to -stable. I got it to apply to 3.2-CD but > had to do some of it manually. It is also in -stable for almost 2 weeks now, IIRC. -- Marcel Moolenaar mailto:marcel@scc.nl SCC Internetworking & Databases http://www.scc.nl/ The FreeBSD project mailto:marcel@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 8:36:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ewok.creative.net.au (ewok.creative.net.au [203.30.44.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D217E155B6 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:36:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adrian@freebsd.org) Received: (qmail 15196 invoked by uid 1008); 2 Sep 1999 15:36:44 -0000 From: adrian@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:36:44 +0800 To: Boris Popov Cc: adrian@freebsd.org, Doug Rabson , "Andrew J. Korty" , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch Message-ID: <19990902233644.C1215@ewok.creative.net.au> References: <19990901003014.A1215@ewok.creative.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Boris Popov on Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 10:03:06PM +0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 02, 1999, Boris Popov wrote: > > without needing yet another setuid binary/binaries.. > > Well, sysctl with list of pathes for user mounts looks good. > Configuration is simple and can be easliy changed at runtime. It is > always better to avoid setuid'ed binaries, this is more worse that > mount(8) can execute other mount_* binaries. > > However, as pointed by Mike Smith, enabling user mounts raises a > risc of kernel panics from, for example, corrupted floppy disk. This > should lead to more stronger *fs code. Ahh, another discussion entirely, which I'm not going to get into without working code. :-) Adrian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 8:47:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from www.crb-web.com (ns1.crb-web.com [209.70.120.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D18E915B6C for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:47:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wayne@crb.crb-web.com) Received: (qmail 12272 invoked by uid 1001); 2 Sep 1999 16:32:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:32:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Cuddy Reply-To: wayne@crb-web.com To: FreeBSD Hackers List Subject: syslogd -a (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I sent this to "questions" but did not a reply and figured I would give you guys a try.. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:12:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Cuddy To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: syslogd -a I am attempting to use syslogd on FreeBSD to log messages from a linux syslogd with little success. Is it possible to use the FBSD syslogd to log messages from other unix flavors? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 8:54:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles522.castles.com [208.214.165.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D01615B83 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:54:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02632; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:48:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199909021548.IAA02632@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: wayne@crb-web.com Cc: FreeBSD Hackers List Subject: Re: syslogd -a (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Sep 1999 12:32:38 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 08:48:24 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I sent this to "questions" but did not a reply and figured I would give you > guys a try.. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:12:39 -0400 (EDT) > From: Wayne Cuddy > To: FreeBSD Questions > Subject: syslogd -a > > I am attempting to use syslogd on FreeBSD to log messages from a linux syslogd > with little success. Is it possible to use the FBSD syslogd to log messages > from other unix flavors? Yes. Whether it's possible to log messages from Linux systems to other unix flavours is another question entirely. -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 8:55:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from penelope.skunk.org (penelope.skunk.org [208.133.204.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9156815C5C for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:54:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@penelope.skunk.org) Received: from localhost (ben@localhost) by penelope.skunk.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18091; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:57:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Rosengart To: Wayne Cuddy Cc: FreeBSD Hackers List Subject: Re: syslogd -a (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Wayne Cuddy wrote: > I am attempting to use syslogd on FreeBSD to log messages from a linux syslogd > with little success. Is it possible to use the FBSD syslogd to log messages > from other unix flavors? Yes, absolutely. What is the problem you're experiencing? -- Ben UNIX Systems Engineer, Skunk Group StarMedia Network, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 9: 6:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F5E14BE1 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:06:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brooks@one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from localhost (brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA15980; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:04:23 -0700 (PDT) From: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net X-Authentication-Warning: orion.ac.hmc.edu: brdavis owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:04:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: mi@aldan.algebra.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux StarOffice51 runs on -stable In-Reply-To: <37CE935D.BCB661AC@scc.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > SO5.1 installs OOTB on both -current and -stable. I suspect your -stable is > not recent? Is this true for BOTH versions of the tarball? Changes where made to the distribution without any apparent changes to the website. The new changes broke things. -- Brooks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 9: 7: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ugrad.unbc.ca (ugrad.unbc.ca [142.207.112.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC18A1552F; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:06:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karlj000@unbc.ca) Received: from localhost (karlj000@localhost) by ugrad.unbc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA27348; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:05:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ugrad.unbc.ca: karlj000 owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:05:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Carpathia To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux StarOffice51 runs on -stable In-Reply-To: <199909021343.JAA30983@misha.cisco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > It is. Without it, soffice keeps bringing up setup over and over instead > of just starting the damn office. I tried it on the new new StarOffice (apparently) (libs ver 517) from Sun. This fix works for the user that installs it, but when anyone else goes to run it, it starts the setup. Just for giggles, I went 'chmod -R 777 *' to see what it would do, and that fixed it. I haven't really investigated it any more than that, I was just happy it ran. I might play with it more later today. Jeremy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 9: 7:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from www.crb-web.com (ns1.crb-web.com [209.70.120.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C42315B6F for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:06:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wayne@crb.crb-web.com) Received: (qmail 12476 invoked by uid 1001); 2 Sep 1999 16:51:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:51:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Cuddy Reply-To: wayne@crb-web.com Cc: FreeBSD Hackers List Subject: Re: syslogd -a (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had a configuration where I was logging from linux to linux which was working. Now I have replaced the logging system with FreeBSD 3.2. I started the FreeBSD syslogd like this: syslogd -a XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX But I see no log messages from the linux system. Thanks for the help. Wayne On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Ben Rosengart wrote: > Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:57:33 -0400 (EDT) > From: Ben Rosengart > To: Wayne Cuddy > Cc: FreeBSD Hackers List > Subject: Re: syslogd -a (fwd) > > On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Wayne Cuddy wrote: > > > I am attempting to use syslogd on FreeBSD to log messages from a linux syslogd > > with little success. Is it possible to use the FBSD syslogd to log messages > > from other unix flavors? > > Yes, absolutely. What is the problem you're experiencing? > > -- > Ben > > UNIX Systems Engineer, Skunk Group > StarMedia Network, Inc. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 9:12:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dt011n65.san.rr.com (dt010nb9.san.rr.com [204.210.12.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2C714BE0 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:12:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt011n65.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA42532; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:10:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <37CEA17A.6774BE6E@gorean.org> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 09:10:34 -0700 From: Doug Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT-0826 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Markus Stumpf , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's References: <25760.936280900@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:42:56 +0200, Markus Stumpf wrote: > > > The numeric id IS important. > > How do you think NFS maintains privileges across machines? > > I have no idea how NFS works. :-) > > I _do_ know that, if machines across the network need to know about > magical IDs on their peers, then it's nothing like how SMTP works, and > thus irrelevant to the username I think we should add. You can't say on the one hand that there are no rational arguments against your proposal (as you did in another post) and then on the other say that you choose to ignore arguments you don't understand. As I see it there are three groups of people relevant to this change. One is a fairly small group who use exim or postfix as their MTA who would benefit from this change. Next is a group (including myself) who are responsible from maintaining freebsd in heterogenous network environments who would be penalized by this change. With no hard data to support my position I'd say that these two groups are roughly equal. Finally there is a whole big chunk of people for whom this change provides no benefit. So at best, it's a wash, at worst it's a bad idea. > > This also has nothing to do with emotions ... it's my experience from > > the time I worked at the computing staff at the univ, where we had to > > maintain a few thousand users on a few hundred machines of all types. > > The tools which help you add users default to a minimum UID of 1000. If > users have been added with very low UID's, they've been added manually. > This change won't be uncomfortable for people who have their hands that > deep into the system. > > More to the point, though, who cares whether the user's ID is 25 on one > box, 12 on another and 2525 on a third? The _name_ is what we're looking > for, here. As already pointed out, the system doesn't know anything about the names. All it cares about are the numbers. > > In some perspectives ($HOMEs, mail, standard programs, shared document > > space) the machines had to look and feel alike for the users. > > > > We noticed that the predefined uids/gids on the systems were nearly > > useless for that tasks (as they were all different) > > ID's _are_ useless for the task of look'n'feel. That's what usernames > are for. Again, you've completely missed the point. > > If in such an environemt the uid 25 is already used for some other > > service it's a pain to integrate new FreeBSD machines from the > > moment FreeBSD comes shipped with uid 25 allocated to a user smtp. > > I'm not catering for people who create accounts with low UID's and then > try to > > 1) Merge in master.passwd entries from subsequent FreeBSD > releases without using their eyes. > > 2) Install STABLE packages on RELEASE systems. But that's just the problem. You're violating POLA for something that provides no clear benefit, except to a small handful of people for whom there is already an appropriate and painless solution. And ultimately -Stable will become -Release, so your argument here is absurd on its face. Please understand, this is not a personal attack. I'm sure that your proposal was motivated by good intentions, but those of us who see the harm in it and understand the issues involved are trying to explain why it's a bad idea. Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 9:16:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E44C14D13 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:15:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11MZW2-0007Ce-00; Thu, 02 Sep 1999 18:15:10 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Doug Cc: Markus Stumpf , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Sep 1999 09:10:34 MST." <37CEA17A.6774BE6E@gorean.org> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 18:15:10 +0200 Message-ID: <27691.936288910@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 09:10:34 MST, Doug wrote: > Please understand, this is not a personal attack. Nope, you're quite good with wording your mail. :-) > I'm sure that your proposal was motivated by good intentions, but > those of us who see the harm in it and understand the issues involved > are trying to explain why it's a bad idea. Well I wouldn't have asked for comments if I hadn't been willing to listen. It took a little explaining, but I can see where folks are coming from. :-) This will come up again when we try to sandbox sendmail, but we can leave it alone for now. When it does come up, I'd appreciate it if the folks with as much of a handle on the situation as you, Markus and Tim would chip in with some ideas on how to move forward. :-) Stay tuned! Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 9:19:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E9CA15BC0 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:19:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11MZYU-0007Dr-00; Thu, 02 Sep 1999 18:17:42 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Jaye Mathisen Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: systat -- "The alternate system clock has died"... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Sep 1999 01:43:32 MST." Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 18:17:41 +0200 Message-ID: <27766.936289061@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 01:43:32 MST, Jaye Mathisen wrote: > Hmph. Fired up systat on a recently supped 3.2-stable box (aug 30). > Typed :vm, and the screen cleared, it drew the labels, then sat there for > a few seconds, then said: > > "The alternate system clock has died, reverting to pigs display". On my stable-as-of-today box, I can't repdoduce this problem. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 9:34:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from gaia.euronet.nl (gaia.euronet.nl [194.134.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A5914BED for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:34:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@scc.nl) Received: from scones.sup.scc.nl (i145.ztm.euronet.nl [194.134.112.106]) by gaia.euronet.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25702; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:33:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from scc.nl (scones.sup.scc.nl [192.168.2.4]) by scones.sup.scc.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24011; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:33:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marcel@scc.nl) Message-ID: <37CEA6E5.2FCDCDBF@scc.nl> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 18:33:41 +0200 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: SCC vof X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net Cc: mi@aldan.algebra.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux StarOffice51 runs on -stable References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG brooks@one-eyed-alien.net wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > > SO5.1 installs OOTB on both -current and -stable. I suspect your -stable is > > not recent? > > Is this true for BOTH versions of the tarball? Changes where made to the > distribution without any apparent changes to the website. The new changes > broke things. I wouldn't know. I'm not aware of any changes to the distribution. This is the distribution I have: -rw-r--r-- 1 marcel marcel 72192512 Jul 23 11:47 so51_lnx_01.tar MD5 (so51_lnx_01.tar) = 347ffa68be6c1d7b89fd843591afb0d3 -- Marcel Moolenaar mailto:marcel@scc.nl SCC Internetworking & Databases http://www.scc.nl/ The FreeBSD project mailto:marcel@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 9:39:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from galileo.physics.purdue.edu (galileo.physics.purdue.edu [128.210.67.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6234114CF5; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:39:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ajk@physics.purdue.edu) Received: from galileo.physics.purdue.edu (localhost.physics.purdue.edu [127.0.0.1]) by galileo.physics.purdue.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA72898; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:38:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ajk@galileo.physics.purdue.edu) Message-Id: <199909021638.LAA72898@galileo.physics.purdue.edu> To: Boris Popov Cc: adrian@freebsd.org, Doug Rabson , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch In-Reply-To: Message from Boris Popov of "Thu, 02 Sep 1999 22:03:06 +0700." From: "Andrew J. Korty" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <72890.936290320.1@galileo.physics.purdue.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:38:41 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 adrian@freebsd.org wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 31, 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > > > On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Andrew J. Korty wrote: > > > > > > > I provided a solution via send-pr (bin/11031) over four months ago, > > > > which is, in my opinion, superior in many ways to this sysctl > > > > approach. The patch contains an amendment to the mount(1) manual > > > > page. > > > > > > I have not reviewed this pr myself but it seems like a well thought out > > > change to the system. Would the people who are involved with the current > > > (more limited) proposed change like to review this and possibly use it > > > instead. I don't want to lose anyones work here if it could be useful. > > > > You realise that this kind of stuff can be done in kernelspace, > > without needing yet another setuid binary/binaries.. > > Well, sysctl with list of pathes for user mounts looks good. > Configuration is simple and can be easliy changed at runtime. It is > always better to avoid setuid'ed binaries, this is more worse that > mount(8) can execute other mount_* binaries. My code provides needed features that all implementations I've seen of the sysctl approach do not. Our users need to mount removable volumes just by clicking on a KDE icon, without having to know what type of filesystem is present on the media. Non-console users should not be permitted to mount removable volumes. Both of these features are provided by my patch, which I have had in production since I submitted it. The possibility of executing undesired mount_* binaries is precluded by the ability to list in the configuration file what filesystem types should be tried for each device. Andrew J. Korty, Director http://www.physics.purdue.edu/~ajk/ Physics Computer Network 85 73 1F 04 63 D9 9D 65 Purdue University 65 2E 7A A8 81 8C 45 75 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 9:50:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ewok.creative.net.au (ewok.creative.net.au [203.30.44.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D0D7014D87 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:50:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adrian@freebsd.org) Received: (qmail 15515 invoked by uid 1008); 2 Sep 1999 16:49:11 -0000 From: adrian@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:49:11 +0800 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch Message-ID: <19990903004910.D1215@ewok.creative.net.au> References: <199909021638.LAA72898@galileo.physics.purdue.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199909021638.LAA72898@galileo.physics.purdue.edu>; from Andrew J. Korty on Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 11:38:41AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 02, 1999, Andrew J. Korty wrote: > > > You realise that this kind of stuff can be done in kernelspace, > > > without needing yet another setuid binary/binaries.. > > > > Well, sysctl with list of pathes for user mounts looks good. > > Configuration is simple and can be easliy changed at runtime. It is > > always better to avoid setuid'ed binaries, this is more worse that > > mount(8) can execute other mount_* binaries. > > My code provides needed features that all implementations I've seen > of the sysctl approach do not. Our users need to mount removable > volumes just by clicking on a KDE icon, without having to know what > type of filesystem is present on the media. Non-console users > should not be permitted to mount removable volumes. Both of these > features are provided by my patch, which I have had in production > since I submitted it. There are saner ways than using a suid binary. Countering your arguement.. sysctl -w vfs.usermount="/floppy:/cdrom" And they can mount/umount at whim if they own the mountpoint/have done the mount (and the permission checking can be extended to suit..) Then all you need to do is think of a sane way to chown console devices (floppy, cdrom, etc..) to the user when they login? Perhaps an extension to login/xdm/whatever kde uses ? All I'm saying is there has to be a better way to solve a problem using an iron pole, regardless of whether its first stuck inside a nerf dart. Adrian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 9:51:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1787E14D87 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:51:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA35730; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:49:59 -0400 (EDT) From: jack To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net, mi@aldan.algebra.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux StarOffice51 runs on -stable In-Reply-To: <37CEA6E5.2FCDCDBF@scc.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Today Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > brooks@one-eyed-alien.net wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > > > > SO5.1 installs OOTB on both -current and -stable. I suspect your -stable is > > > not recent? > > > > Is this true for BOTH versions of the tarball? Changes where made to the > > distribution without any apparent changes to the website. The new changes > > broke things. > > I wouldn't know. I'm not aware of any changes to the distribution. This is > the distribution I have: > -rw-r--r-- 1 marcel marcel 72192512 Jul 23 11:47 so51_lnx_01.tar > MD5 (so51_lnx_01.tar) = 347ffa68be6c1d7b89fd843591afb0d3 so51a_lnx_01.tar -rw-r--r-- 1 jacko user 70393856 Aug 31 15:47 so51a_lnx_01.tar (libs are all libxxx517x.so) requires jumping throught the hoops (unzip setup.zip, etc.) to install but runs OOTB after that. I havn't tried to do a 'network' install. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 9:58: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from caxton.correionet.com.br (caxton.correionet.com.br [200.246.35.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D4E153D1 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:57:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from morte@correionet.com.br) Received: from caxton.correionet.com.br (caxton.correionet.com.br [200.246.35.7]) by caxton.correionet.com.br (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA41704; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:56:09 -0300 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:56:09 -0300 (EST) From: Luiz Morte da Costa Junior To: Pete Mckenna Cc: Kevin Lynn , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: L440GX+ Server Board In-Reply-To: <37CDB067.CA42C6FE@uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Pete Mckenna wrote: ... > > > I have also put an adaptec 2940 in them and it works as well. > > > > What is the adaptec transfer rate? I have tested with a adaptec 80Mb, and > > it didn't work too. The chipset is the same the AIC 7896. > > I'm not sure what you are asking. I havn't put an Adaptec 7896 into this > motherboard, just added a 2940 to the built in 7896 and didn't have any > problems. We use LVD drives on the A or 0 channel and they need external > termination. I don't have transfer rate numbers handy but could generate > some if that's what your asking ? Ok. I try to explain again. The L440GX+ Server board has a AIC 7896 onboard (I haven't put), whith 2 SCSI interfaces: one with 80Mb transfer rate and one with 40Mb. I have 2 SCSI disk (with 80Mb transfer rate) and did the following tests: . I put the SCSI disk in 80Mb interface; . I put the SCSI disk in 40Mb interface; . I added a 2940 (with 80Mb transfer rate) and I put the disck SCSI. All tests didn't work, so my server stays very slow. > > Another test that I have done with my kernel was to put the flags below: > > This only refers to IDE drives not SCSI drives. We don't use anything > other than SCSI in these boxes. Which are you using ? > > > > controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 > > disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 flags 0xb0ff > > disk wd1 at wdc0 drive 1 flags 0xb0ff > > controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 > > disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 flags 0xb0ff > > disk wd3 at wdc1 drive 1 flags 0xb0ff Ok. I don't use IDE disk. What is your BIOS and BMC firmware version? I called to Intel support and they told me that my version BIOS is out of date. I have to upgrade to 1.05 (BMC firmware) and 7.3 (BIOS). Could it be this my problem? Thanks. []s, Luiz Morte da Costa Junior Analista de Redes E-mail: morte@correionet.com.br Telefone: +55 19 754-2532 Fax: +55 19 255-7576 CorreioNet - Correio Popular Campinas - SP - Brazil To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 9:58:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from beelzebubba.sysabend.org (beelzebubba.sysabend.org [209.201.74.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E29014D43; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:58:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6DA1424E; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BB5EB9C30; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:58:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: adrian@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch In-Reply-To: <19990903004910.D1215@ewok.creative.net.au> Message-ID: X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 3 Sep 1999 adrian@freebsd.org wrote: :Then all you need to do is think of a sane way to chown console devices :(floppy, cdrom, etc..) to the user when they login? Perhaps an extension :to login/xdm/whatever kde uses ? You can do this in /etc/fbtab. You already chown the console for X logging (you should be anyway). I don't like the idea of restricting access to the console user. That assumes that the removable media device in question is present on every machine in the room. This is not always the case. It may not even be the dominant case. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 9:59:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from caxton.correionet.com.br (caxton.correionet.com.br [200.246.35.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD58315C6A for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:59:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from morte@correionet.com.br) Received: from caxton.correionet.com.br (caxton.correionet.com.br [200.246.35.7]) by caxton.correionet.com.br (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA42224; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:58:19 -0300 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:58:19 -0300 (EST) From: Luiz Morte da Costa Junior To: Bill Fumerola Cc: Pete Mckenna , Kevin Lynn , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: L440GX+ Server Board In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Luiz Morte da Costa Junior wrote: > > > > The onboard NIC works like any other Intel 10/100 using fxp0, adding a > > > asecond nic makes the onboard fxp1 (for failover purposes, I assume) > > > > I think that I don't have problem with my NIC (Intel 10/100). > > The bus that the onboard NIC is on probably gets probed later then > then the expansion bus. I'm using only the onboard NIC. I didn't add any other NIC in my server. []s, Luiz Morte da Costa Junior Analista de Redes E-mail: morte@correionet.com.br Telefone: +55 19 754-2532 Fax: +55 19 255-7576 CorreioNet - Correio Popular Campinas - SP - Brazil To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 10:10:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from gaia.euronet.nl (gaia.euronet.nl [194.134.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C9415C7A for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:10:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@scc.nl) Received: from scones.sup.scc.nl (i241.ztm.euronet.nl [194.134.67.42]) by gaia.euronet.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA10068; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:09:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from scc.nl (scones.sup.scc.nl [192.168.2.4]) by scones.sup.scc.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24982; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:08:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marcel@scc.nl) Message-ID: <37CEAF2A.D830D9EE@scc.nl> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 19:08:59 +0200 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: SCC vof X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jack Cc: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net, mi@aldan.algebra.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux StarOffice51 runs on -stable References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG jack wrote: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 marcel marcel 72192512 Jul 23 11:47 so51_lnx_01.tar > > MD5 (so51_lnx_01.tar) = 347ffa68be6c1d7b89fd843591afb0d3 > > so51a_lnx_01.tar > -rw-r--r-- 1 jacko user 70393856 Aug 31 15:47 so51a_lnx_01.tar > (libs are all libxxx517x.so) > requires jumping throught the hoops (unzip setup.zip, etc.) to > install but runs OOTB after that. I havn't tried to do a > 'network' install. Sigh... -- Marcel Moolenaar mailto:marcel@scc.nl SCC Internetworking & Databases http://www.scc.nl/ The FreeBSD project mailto:marcel@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 10:43:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from guardian.sftw.com (guardian.sftw.com [209.157.37.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E989B14BD4 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:43:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@sftw.com) Received: from sftw.com (yoda.sftw.com [209.157.37.177]) by guardian.sftw.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA43573 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:40:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@sftw.com) Message-ID: <37CEB68D.848BDAF8@sftw.com> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 10:40:30 -0700 From: Nick Sayer Reply-To: nsayer@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------msFCD11122A29DD0C92CB12590" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------msFCD11122A29DD0C92CB12590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linux generates a meric of CPU performance as a byproduct of calibrating a delay loop. We don't require doing any such thing, and so adding it would be purely cosmetic. However, I allege that cosmetic things aren't in and of themselves evil, so long as they don't break anything in the process. I would like to generate a number that will hopefully be reasonably compatible with the one Linux spits out. The best method I have come up with is to have a similar (the same?) count down loop in assembler. Have it count down from 1,000,000 and see how much nanotime() has gone by. NANSPERSEC/nansused = bogomips. A 1 bogomips machine will take an extra second to do this (anything likely to be even able to run FreeBSD should exceed 1 BM - yes, ha ha), and a kBM CPU can do it in 1 ms. Perhaps in the future a prescaler might be required, but this whole thing is just really chrome anyway. 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I recognize that this is solely a cosmetic change, but one of the things I hold over the heads of the Linux folks I deal with is the fact that FreeBSD is a professional quality operating system which doesn't need useless blinking lights like BogoMIPS. Chalk me up as one of the people who considers "Linux works like that" as a negative. Regards, --Keith Stevenson-- -- Keith Stevenson System Programmer - Data Center Services - University of Louisville k.stevenson@louisville.edu PGP key fingerprint = 4B 29 A8 95 A8 82 EA A2 29 CE 68 DE FC EE B6 A0 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 11:17: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAEF214D95; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:17:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA05003; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:16:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: nsayer@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric In-Reply-To: <37CEB68D.848BDAF8@sftw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There was such a thing in 386BSD and FreeBSD1.0 I certainly thing it was a worth-while thing. I'd try make the loop as similar to the Linux one so that they are comparable. On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Nick Sayer wrote: > Linux generates a meric of CPU performance as a byproduct of calibrating > a delay loop. > We don't require doing any such thing, and so adding it would be purely > cosmetic. > However, I allege that cosmetic things aren't in and of themselves evil, > so long as > they don't break anything in the process. > > I would like to generate a number that will hopefully be reasonably > compatible with > the one Linux spits out. The best method I have come up with is to have > a similar > (the same?) count down loop in assembler. Have it count down from > 1,000,000 and > see how much nanotime() has gone by. NANSPERSEC/nansused = bogomips. > A 1 bogomips machine will take an extra second to do this (anything > likely to be > even able to run FreeBSD should exceed 1 BM - yes, ha ha), and a kBM CPU > > can do it in 1 ms. Perhaps in the future a prescaler might be required, > but > this whole thing is just really chrome anyway. > > Would anyone scream and projectile-vomit if I added this to identcpu.c? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 11:24: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A50C615600 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:23:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25224; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909021821.LAA25224@implode.root.com> To: Keith Stevenson Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Sep 1999 14:11:43 EDT." <19990902141143.A21431@homer.louisville.edu> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:21:57 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >> >> Would anyone scream and projectile-vomit if I added this to identcpu.c? >> > >I might. :-) Why exactly, except to keep up with the Linux kidz, do we need >this? I recognize that this is solely a cosmetic change, but one of the >things I hold over the heads of the Linux folks I deal with is the fact that >FreeBSD is a professional quality operating system which doesn't need useless >blinking lights like BogoMIPS. > >Chalk me up as one of the people who considers "Linux works like that" as a >negative. I'm with you on this, Keith. I'd rather that we kept the professional FreeBSD look and feel. If we look too much like Linux, then people will just use Linux. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 11:44:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from galileo.physics.purdue.edu (galileo.physics.purdue.edu [128.210.67.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4519F14D35; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:44:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ajk@physics.purdue.edu) Received: from galileo.physics.purdue.edu (localhost.physics.purdue.edu [127.0.0.1]) by galileo.physics.purdue.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA78051; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:43:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ajk@galileo.physics.purdue.edu) Message-Id: <199909021843.NAA78051@galileo.physics.purdue.edu> To: adrian@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch In-Reply-To: Message from adrian@FreeBSD.ORG of "Fri, 03 Sep 1999 00:49:11 +0800." <19990903004910.D1215@ewok.creative.net.au> From: "Andrew J. Korty" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <78044.936297806.1@galileo.physics.purdue.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:43:26 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Thu, Sep 02, 1999, Andrew J. Korty wrote: > > > > > You realise that this kind of stuff can be done in kernelspace, > > > > without needing yet another setuid binary/binaries.. > > > > > > Well, sysctl with list of pathes for user mounts looks good. > > > Configuration is simple and can be easliy changed at runtime. It is > > > always better to avoid setuid'ed binaries, this is more worse that > > > mount(8) can execute other mount_* binaries. > > > > My code provides needed features that all implementations I've seen > > of the sysctl approach do not. Our users need to mount removable > > volumes just by clicking on a KDE icon, without having to know what > > type of filesystem is present on the media. Non-console users > > should not be permitted to mount removable volumes. Both of these > > features are provided by my patch, which I have had in production > > since I submitted it. > > There are saner ways than using a suid binary. > Countering your arguement.. > > sysctl -w vfs.usermount="/floppy:/cdrom" > > And they can mount/umount at whim if they own the mountpoint/have done the > mount (and the permission checking can be extended to suit..) > > Then all you need to do is think of a sane way to chown console devices > (floppy, cdrom, etc..) to the user when they login? Perhaps an extension > to login/xdm/whatever kde uses ? The user would still have to know what type of filesystem is on the volume. My code tries filesystem types from a list, one by one, so the same command or desktop icon will mount a FAT, UFS, or EXT2FS floppy, for example. The system administrator can also specify default mount options on a device or filesystem-type basis. ajk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 11:53:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from galileo.physics.purdue.edu (galileo.physics.purdue.edu [128.210.67.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26FE15C80 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:53:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ajk@physics.purdue.edu) Received: from galileo.physics.purdue.edu (localhost.physics.purdue.edu [127.0.0.1]) by galileo.physics.purdue.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA78221; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:52:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ajk@galileo.physics.purdue.edu) Message-Id: <199909021852.NAA78221@galileo.physics.purdue.edu> To: jack Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , brooks@one-eyed-alien.net, mi@aldan.algebra.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux StarOffice51 runs on -stable In-Reply-To: Message from jack of "Thu, 02 Sep 1999 12:49:59 -0400." From: "Andrew J. Korty" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <78214.936298338.1@galileo.physics.purdue.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:52:18 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Today Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > > brooks@one-eyed-alien.net wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > > > > > > SO5.1 installs OOTB on both -current and -stable. I suspect your -stabl > e is > > > > not recent? > > > > > > Is this true for BOTH versions of the tarball? Changes where made to the > > > distribution without any apparent changes to the website. The new change > s > > > broke things. > > > > I wouldn't know. I'm not aware of any changes to the distribution. This is > > the distribution I have: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 marcel marcel 72192512 Jul 23 11:47 so51_lnx_01.tar > > MD5 (so51_lnx_01.tar) = 347ffa68be6c1d7b89fd843591afb0d3 > > so51a_lnx_01.tar > -rw-r--r-- 1 jacko user 70393856 Aug 31 15:47 so51a_lnx_01.tar > (libs are all libxxx517x.so) > requires jumping throught the hoops (unzip setup.zip, etc.) to > install but runs OOTB after that. I havn't tried to do a > 'network' install. If it helps, I don't think you really need to unzip setup.zip. I found that setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. makes the setup program run just fine (because it actually does unzip setup.zip, but into a subdirectory of /tmp). If you need to run setup after StarOffice has been installed, set LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/Office51/lib, depending on where you installed it. ajk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 12: 1:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ewok.creative.net.au (ewok.creative.net.au [203.30.44.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7AF1E14D35 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:01:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adrian@freebsd.org) Received: (qmail 16249 invoked by uid 1008); 2 Sep 1999 19:01:26 -0000 From: adrian@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 03:01:26 +0800 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch Message-ID: <19990903030126.F1215@ewok.creative.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The user would still have to know what type of filesystem is on > the volume. My code tries filesystem types from a list, one by > one, so the same command or desktop icon will mount a FAT, UFS, or > EXT2FS floppy, for example. The system administrator can also > specify default mount options on a device or filesystem-type basis. I like that idea, but that still doesn't need suid privs to do. Adrian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 12:19:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from gaia.euronet.nl (gaia.euronet.nl [194.134.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38BE14C4A for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:19:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@scc.nl) Received: from scones.sup.scc.nl (i419.ztm.euronet.nl [194.134.67.140]) by gaia.euronet.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03722; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:19:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from scc.nl (scones.sup.scc.nl [192.168.2.4]) by scones.sup.scc.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29155; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:19:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marcel@scc.nl) Message-ID: <37CECDAD.F90E2245@scc.nl> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 21:19:09 +0200 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: SCC vof X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Andrew J. Korty" Cc: jack , brooks@one-eyed-alien.net, mi@aldan.algebra.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux StarOffice51 runs on -stable References: <199909021852.NAA78221@galileo.physics.purdue.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Andrew J. Korty" wrote: > If it helps, I don't think you really need to unzip setup.zip. I > found that setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. makes the setup program run > just fine (because it actually does unzip setup.zip, but into a > subdirectory of /tmp). Exactly what I always needed to do. It can't find the shared object because it simply is not in a searchable place. Setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH solves it. I always thought it was related to setting TMP to /var/tmp because I don't have enough space on /. -- Marcel Moolenaar mailto:marcel@scc.nl SCC Internetworking & Databases http://www.scc.nl/ The FreeBSD project mailto:marcel@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 12:24:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8035C14D74 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:24:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU) Received: from ida-89-77.Reshall.Berkeley.EDU (ida-89-77.Reshall.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.89.77]) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/) via ESMTP id MAA15966 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:23:38 -0700 (PDT) env-from (brian@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:23:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian W. Buchanan" X-Sender: brian@smarter.than.nu To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: UCB removes advertising clause Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is apparently old news, but I don't recall seeing anything about it on the lists, and didn't hear about it until it hit Slashdot a short while ago. ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/4bsd/README.Impt.License.Change: July 22, 1999 To All Licensees, Distributors of Any Version of BSD: As you know, certain of the Berkeley Software Distribution ("BSD") source code files require that further distributions of products containing all or portions of the software, acknowledge within their advertising materials that such products contain software developed by UC Berkeley and its contributors. Specifically, the provision reads: " * 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software * must display the following acknowledgement: * This product includes software developed by the University of * California, Berkeley and its contributors." Effective immediately, licensees and distributors are no longer required to include the acknowledgement within advertising materials. Accordingly, the foregoing paragraph of those BSD Unix files containing it is hereby deleted in its entirety. William Hoskins Director, Office of Technology Licensing University of California, Berkeley -- Brian Buchanan brian@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU -------------------------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 12:30:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from scotty.masternet.it (scotty.masternet.it [194.184.65.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F2014EBA for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:29:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gmarco@scotty.masternet.it) Received: from scotty.masternet.it (ppp-massa52-64-16.iol.it [212.52.64.16]) by scotty.masternet.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA42955 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:05:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gmarco@scotty.masternet.it) Message-ID: <37CEBBF0.21913110@scotty.masternet.it> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 20:03:28 +0200 From: Gianmarco Giovannelli X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux StarOffice51 runs on -stable References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG jack wrote: > > Today Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > > brooks@one-eyed-alien.net wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > > > > > > SO5.1 installs OOTB on both -current and -stable. I suspect your -stable is > > > > not recent? The fact that soffice runs setup again and again depend to a missing file... add in the home of the user that make the install this missing file (2 lines): seaside:/usr/local/www/data/neuro/admin# less /home/gmarco/.sversionrc [Versions] StarOffice 5.1=/usr/local/Office51 -- Regards... Gianmarco "Unix expert since yesterday" http://www.giovannelli.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 12:30:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from paprika.michvhf.com (paprika.michvhf.com [209.57.60.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CD0AF14F8F for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:30:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vev@michvhf.com) Received: (qmail 27880 invoked by uid 1001); 2 Sep 1999 17:21:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:21:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Vince Vielhaber To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: jack , brooks@one-eyed-alien.net, mi@aldan.algebra.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux StarOffice51 runs on -stable In-Reply-To: <37CEAF2A.D830D9EE@scc.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > jack wrote: > > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 marcel marcel 72192512 Jul 23 11:47 so51_lnx_01.tar > > > MD5 (so51_lnx_01.tar) = 347ffa68be6c1d7b89fd843591afb0d3 > > > > so51a_lnx_01.tar > > -rw-r--r-- 1 jacko user 70393856 Aug 31 15:47 so51a_lnx_01.tar > > (libs are all libxxx517x.so) > > requires jumping throught the hoops (unzip setup.zip, etc.) to > > install but runs OOTB after that. I havn't tried to do a > > 'network' install. > > Sigh... > > For the record, I'm running the same version as jack and after looking at procfs_status.c in -stable (and current), this version should run with either version. -RELEASE, however, requires the patch. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null # include TEAM-OS2 Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 12:42: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from tabby.kudra.com (gw.kudra.com [199.6.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C18014E05; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:42:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robert@kudra.com) Received: (from robert@localhost) by tabby.kudra.com (8.9.3/8.6.12) id PAA15820; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:41:11 -0400 From: Robert Sexton To: nsayer@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric Message-ID: <19990902154111.A15805@tabby.kudra.com> References: <37CEB68D.848BDAF8@sftw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <37CEB68D.848BDAF8@sftw.com>; from Nick Sayer on Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 10:40:30AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 10:40:30AM -0700, Nick Sayer wrote: > Linux generates a meric of CPU performance as a byproduct of calibrating > a delay loop. > We don't require doing any such thing, and so adding it would be purely > cosmetic. > However, I allege that cosmetic things aren't in and of themselves evil, > so long as > they don't break anything in the process. I'd have to agree with the "Lets be more professional" crowd. How about as a LINT option? "If you need something so banal, you can turn it on yourself" -- Robert Sexton, robert@kudra.com "Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied them the usual way. This happens to us all the time with computers, and nobody thinks of complaining." -- Jeff Raskin, interviewed in Doctor Dobb's Journal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 12:53: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9676B14D77 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:52:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26169 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:52:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:52:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <199909021952.VAA26169@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric Organization: Administration Heim 3 Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 RZTUC(3) PL2] Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nick Sayer wrote in list.freebsd-hackers: > Linux generates a meric of CPU performance as a byproduct of calibrating > a delay loop. It's not a metric of CPU performance. It's just a meaningless number, and its relation to the actual performance of the machine is very questionable. > We don't require doing any such thing, and so adding it would be purely > cosmetic. > However, I allege that cosmetic things aren't in and of themselves evil, > so long as > they don't break anything in the process. It would break user's confidence in the seriousness of the system. > Would anyone scream and projectile-vomit if I added this to identcpu.c? I would, FWIW. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 13:17:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B3C815B89; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:17:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id WAA03199; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:02:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06448; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:15:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199909021915.VAA06448@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric In-Reply-To: <37CEB68D.848BDAF8@sftw.com> from Nick Sayer at "Sep 2, 1999 10:40:30 am" To: nsayer@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:15:53 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Nick Sayer wrote ... > so long as > they don't break anything in the process. > > I would like to generate a number that will hopefully be reasonably > compatible with > the one Linux spits out. The best method I have come up with is to have > a similar > (the same?) count down loop in assembler. Have it count down from > 1,000,000 and > see how much nanotime() has gone by. NANSPERSEC/nansused = bogomips. > A 1 bogomips machine will take an extra second to do this (anything > likely to be > even able to run FreeBSD should exceed 1 BM - yes, ha ha), and a kBM CPU > > can do it in 1 ms. Perhaps in the future a prescaler might be required, > but > this whole thing is just really chrome anyway. > > Would anyone scream and projectile-vomit if I added this to identcpu.c? I really don't see any merit in adding Linux-isms like this. Sounds a bit like the 'hack of the day' to me. I feel FreeBSD is well respected for it's stability etc. Not for it's 'me too' Linux-isms without any practical use. Mind you, I don't say Linux does not have stuff that is useful for inclusion in FreeBSD. I just stay BogoMips is what it calls itself: bogus, and should be kept from the FreeBSD kernel. Just my Dfl 0.02 W/ -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 13:28:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (ns.mt.sri.com [206.127.79.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD4514F55; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:28:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA01025; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:27:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA28124; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:27:24 -0600 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:27:24 -0600 Message-Id: <199909022027.OAA28124@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Julian Elischer Cc: nsayer@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric In-Reply-To: References: <37CEB68D.848BDAF8@sftw.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > There was such a thing in 386BSD and FreeBSD1.0 I remember no such thing doing a 'bogomips' to compare against Linux. Certainly not in 386BSD. Nate > > I certainly thing it was a worth-while thing. > I'd try make the loop as similar to the Linux one so that they are > comparable. > > On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Nick Sayer wrote: > > > Linux generates a meric of CPU performance as a byproduct of calibrating > > a delay loop. > > We don't require doing any such thing, and so adding it would be purely > > cosmetic. > > However, I allege that cosmetic things aren't in and of themselves evil, > > so long as > > they don't break anything in the process. > > > > I would like to generate a number that will hopefully be reasonably > > compatible with > > the one Linux spits out. The best method I have come up with is to have > > a similar > > (the same?) count down loop in assembler. Have it count down from > > 1,000,000 and > > see how much nanotime() has gone by. NANSPERSEC/nansused = bogomips. > > A 1 bogomips machine will take an extra second to do this (anything > > likely to be > > even able to run FreeBSD should exceed 1 BM - yes, ha ha), and a kBM CPU > > > > can do it in 1 ms. Perhaps in the future a prescaler might be required, > > but > > this whole thing is just really chrome anyway. > > > > Would anyone scream and projectile-vomit if I added this to identcpu.c? > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 13:31:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A52155C7 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:30:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.3/frmug-2.5/nospam) with UUCP id WAA09686 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:30:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 1C983870A; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:29:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:29:49 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's Message-ID: <19990902212949.B40966@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: hackers@freebsd.org References: <19990902003928.A33233@keltia.freenix.fr> <199909012256.PAA01514@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <199909012256.PAA01514@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 03:56:10PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF ctm#5543 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Mike Smith: > If we do this, I hope a more obvious name is chosen; something like > "mailman" might be a start. Or "mailperson", or "postperson", or > whatever. "mta" just feels a little obscure. "smtp", the first proposal is a better idea then. "mailman" (like it is used on hub) is more for a human. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #73: Sat Jul 31 15:36:05 CEST 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 13:35:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0650A14EE1 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:34:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.3/frmug-2.5/nospam) with UUCP id WAA09737 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:33:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id CBA9F870A; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:45:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:45:07 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux StarOffice51 runs on -stable Message-ID: <19990902214507.A41089@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: hackers@freebsd.org References: <199909021453.KAA31186@misha.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.95.5i In-Reply-To: ; from Vince Vielhaber on Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 11:02:47AM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF ctm#5543 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Vince Vielhaber: > There was a patch posted on the freebsd.misc newsgroup the other day for I re-posted the patch for people not running -STABLE yes. > procfs that eliminates the need for the "hackery". It's supposed to be > already in -current and I don't recall if it's supposed to be in -stable > now or just apply cleanly to -stable. I got it to apply to 3.2-CD but > had to do some of it manually. It is now included in -STABLE & -CURRENT (thanks to Marcel). -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #73: Sat Jul 31 15:36:05 CEST 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 13:40:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5701414BEF; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:40:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.dyndns.org) Received: from holly.dyndns.org (adsl-216-62-157-60.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) by mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with ESMTP id <0FHG009E49C0KF@mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net>; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:38:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30119; Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:41:12 -0500 (CDT envelope-from chris) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:41:11 -0500 From: Chris Costello Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric In-reply-to: <19990902154111.A15805@tabby.kudra.com> To: Robert Sexton Cc: nsayer@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <19990902154111.K26218@holly.dyndns.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.4i References: <37CEB68D.848BDAF8@sftw.com> <19990902154111.A15805@tabby.kudra.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 02, 1999, Robert Sexton wrote: > I'd have to agree with the "Lets be more professional" crowd. > > How about as a LINT option? "If you need something so banal, you can > turn it on yourself" No, since it would just be useless bloat in the source tree. -- |Chris Costello |Supercomputer: Turns a CPU-bound problem into | an I/O-bound problem. - Ken Batcher `----------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 13:41:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C78215CB3; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:41:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.dyndns.org) Received: from holly.dyndns.org (adsl-216-62-157-60.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) by mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with ESMTP id <0FHG009639EJWU@mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net>; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:39:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30140; Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:42:44 -0500 (CDT envelope-from chris) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:42:43 -0500 From: Chris Costello Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric In-reply-to: <37CEB68D.848BDAF8@sftw.com> To: nsayer@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <19990902154243.L26218@holly.dyndns.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.4i References: <37CEB68D.848BDAF8@sftw.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 02, 1999, Nick Sayer wrote: > Would anyone scream and projectile-vomit if I added this to identcpu.c? Yes, I would. The way I interpret it, along with "useless blinking light", is as follows: BogoMIPS is but the combination of "Bogus" and an acronym for "Meaningless Indicator of Processor Speed." :) -- |Chris Costello |You might have mail. `---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 13:44:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC9814BEF for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:44:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Kp) with ESMTP id VAA11506; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:44:15 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <37CEE18B.3495C9A5@tdx.co.uk> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 21:43:55 +0100 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX - The Digital eXchange X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chris@calldei.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric References: <37CEB68D.848BDAF8@sftw.com> <19990902154111.A15805@tabby.kudra.com> <19990902154111.K26218@holly.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chris Costello wrote: > > No, since it would just be useless bloat in the source tree. > If we must have it, how about a port? - I'm definitely for the "this isn't a good idea" crowd, When I was using Linux, I thought it was 'cute'... I've grown up a bit since then... -Kp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 13:45:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A8D14D0F; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:44:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA13603; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:44:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Nate Williams Cc: nsayer@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric In-Reply-To: <199909022027.OAA28124@mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It was there... when I added the code to calibrate the delay loops originally and added the DELAY macro, it printed out the callibration factor.. (DELAY was originally a spin loop) It wasn't called 'BOGOMIPS...' On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Nate Williams wrote: > > There was such a thing in 386BSD and FreeBSD1.0 > > I remember no such thing doing a 'bogomips' to compare against Linux. > Certainly not in 386BSD. > > > > Nate > > > > > I certainly thing it was a worth-while thing. > > I'd try make the loop as similar to the Linux one so that they are > > comparable. > > > > On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Nick Sayer wrote: > > > > > Linux generates a meric of CPU performance as a byproduct of calibrating > > > a delay loop. > > > We don't require doing any such thing, and so adding it would be purely > > > cosmetic. > > > However, I allege that cosmetic things aren't in and of themselves evil, > > > so long as > > > they don't break anything in the process. > > > > > > I would like to generate a number that will hopefully be reasonably > > > compatible with > > > the one Linux spits out. The best method I have come up with is to have > > > a similar > > > (the same?) count down loop in assembler. Have it count down from > > > 1,000,000 and > > > see how much nanotime() has gone by. NANSPERSEC/nansused = bogomips. > > > A 1 bogomips machine will take an extra second to do this (anything > > > likely to be > > > even able to run FreeBSD should exceed 1 BM - yes, ha ha), and a kBM CPU > > > > > > can do it in 1 ms. Perhaps in the future a prescaler might be required, > > > but > > > this whole thing is just really chrome anyway. > > > > > > Would anyone scream and projectile-vomit if I added this to identcpu.c? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 13:46:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9A614BE2 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:46:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.dyndns.org) Received: from holly.dyndns.org (adsl-216-62-157-60.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with ESMTP id <0FHG00C5I9OIDD@mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net> for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:45:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30220; Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:48:39 -0500 (CDT envelope-from chris) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:48:38 -0500 From: Chris Costello Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric In-reply-to: <37CEE18B.3495C9A5@tdx.co.uk> To: Karl Pielorz Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <19990902154838.M26218@holly.dyndns.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.4i References: <37CEB68D.848BDAF8@sftw.com> <19990902154111.A15805@tabby.kudra.com> <19990902154111.K26218@holly.dyndns.org> <37CEE18B.3495C9A5@tdx.co.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 02, 1999, Karl Pielorz wrote: > Chris Costello wrote: > > No, since it would just be useless bloat in the source tree. > > If we must have it, how about a port? - I'm definitely for the "this isn't a > good idea" crowd, When I was using Linux, I thought it was 'cute'... I've > grown up a bit since then... I don't think the local Ports Wraith would be amazingly happy with a port which modifies identcpu.c, which is part of the kernel. > -Kp -- |Chris Costello |Base 8 is just like base 10, if you are missing two fingers. - Tom Lehrer `-------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 13:51:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from medulla.hippocampus.net (medulla.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F042B15CB3 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:50:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@netstor.com) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by medulla.hippocampus.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA27004; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:50:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas X-Sender: marc@medulla.hippocampus.net To: Karl Pielorz Cc: chris@calldei.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric In-Reply-To: <37CEE18B.3495C9A5@tdx.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > If we must have it, how about a port? - I'm definitely for the "this isn't a > good idea" crowd, When I was using Linux, I thought it was 'cute'... I've > grown up a bit since then... Create /usr/ports/useless_linux_utils Add this and code for making the keyboard lights blink in time to whatever audio CD is playing ;-) I agree with what seems to be the consenus: not only are BogoMIPS useless in themselves, but it does detract from the 'professional' feel of FreeBSD. -marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 13:58:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D079514ECD; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:58:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Smc659@aol.com) Received: from Smc659@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id nOABYzS3l_ (3969); Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:57:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Smc659@aol.com Message-ID: <195b73ac.25003ece@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:57:50 EDT Subject: Using UDMA To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Cc: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 3 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Im currently using FreeBSD-3.2 stable. How do you get UDMA support working under FreeBSD? Do I need FreeBSD 4-Current? Thanks, Sam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 14: 3:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ss1000.ms.mff.cuni.cz (ss1000.ms.mff.cuni.cz [195.113.19.221]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12DE614ECD for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:03:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mkop5230@ss1000.ms.mff.cuni.cz) Received: from dzeta.ms.mff.cuni.cz (mkop5230@dzeta.ms.mff.cuni.cz [195.113.16.101]) by ss1000.ms.mff.cuni.cz (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA00830 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:03:17 +0200 Received: from localhost (mkop5230@localhost) by dzeta.ms.mff.cuni.cz (980427.SGI.8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA61423 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:03:16 +0200 (MDT) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:03:16 +0200 From: Milan Kopacka Reply-To: Milan Kopacka To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric In-Reply-To: <199909021952.VAA26169@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Oliver Fromme wrote: > Nick Sayer wrote in list.freebsd-hackers: > > Linux generates a meric of CPU performance as a byproduct of calibrating > > a delay loop. > > It's not a metric of CPU performance. It's just a meaningless number, > and its relation to the actual performance of the machine is very > questionable. It is not as meaningless as it seems. The computed value is used for some driver timing. It can also detect some CPU misconfigurations. Quite valuable thing. Milan Kopacka To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 14: 5: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from bootp.sls.usu.edu (bootp.sls.usu.edu [129.123.82.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D96BC15B7D for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:05:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kurto@bootp.sls.usu.edu) Received: (from kurto@localhost) by bootp.sls.usu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA43424 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:05:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kurto) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:05:01 -0600 (MDT) From: Kurt Olsen Message-Id: <199909022105.PAA43424@bootp.sls.usu.edu> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We have this for 586+ class machines: CPU: Pentium/P54C (132.73-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping=12 Features=0x1bf Seems more precise and informative. For 386/486 based hardware someone could adapt one of the numerous CPU speed detection routines out there. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 14:32:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from alcanet.com.au (border.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0F214C99 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:32:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <40327>; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:29:52 +1000 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:31:32 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: <99Sep3.072952est.40327@border.alcanet.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sheldon Hearn wrote: >I plan to add a user ``smtp'' with UID 25 and a member of group >``mail'', for use in running non-priveledged MTA's in FreeBSD. I'd support this. I think the GID should be 25 as well. David Wolfskill wrote: >I think the overall idea is good, though my tendency has been to use >somewhat higher numbers (like 65532 or 65533). I prefer 25 because it's mnemonic - since SMTP is on port 25. (And since commonality has been raised, it's worthwhile noting that Solaris refuses to accept UID's and GIDs muvh above 60000). > And I do it with sendmail. So do I. Warner Losh wrote: >postmanpete Maybe postmanpat - which isn't sexist, though the ANAL types[*] may have conniptions. :-) [*] As in `IANAL, but...'. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 14:45:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from freesbee.wheel.dk (freesbee.wheel.dk [193.162.159.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0914114E0D for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:45:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ncbp@wheel.dk) Received: by freesbee.wheel.dk (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 36FCA3E13; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:44:48 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:44:48 +0200 From: "Niels Chr. Bank-Pedersen" To: FreeBSD Hackers List Subject: Re: syslogd -a (fwd) Message-ID: <19990902234448.C6665@bank-pedersen.dk> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Hackers List References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Wayne Cuddy on Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 12:51:49PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 12:51:49PM -0400, Wayne Cuddy wrote: > I had a configuration where I was logging from linux to linux which was > working. Now I have replaced the logging system with FreeBSD 3.2. > > I started the FreeBSD syslogd like this: > syslogd -a XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX > > But I see no log messages from the linux system. You may need something like this: syslogd_flags="-a XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX/32:* -a XXX.XXX.XXX.XXY/32:*" > > Thanks for the help. > > Wayne > > On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Ben Rosengart wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:57:33 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Ben Rosengart > > To: Wayne Cuddy > > Cc: FreeBSD Hackers List > > Subject: Re: syslogd -a (fwd) > > > > On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Wayne Cuddy wrote: > > > > > I am attempting to use syslogd on FreeBSD to log messages from a linux syslogd > > > with little success. Is it possible to use the FBSD syslogd to log messages > > > from other unix flavors? > > > > Yes, absolutely. What is the problem you're experiencing? > > > > -- > > Ben > > > > UNIX Systems Engineer, Skunk Group > > StarMedia Network, Inc. > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message /Niels Chr. -- Niels Christian Bank-Pedersen, NCB1-RIPE. Network Manager, Tele Danmark NET, IP-section. "Hey, are any of you guys out there actually *using* RFC 2549?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 14:54:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83433156D1; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:54:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA11457; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:53:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Julian Elischer Cc: nsayer@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Julian Elischer wrote: > There was such a thing in 386BSD and FreeBSD1.0 > > I certainly thing it was a worth-while thing. > I'd try make the loop as similar to the Linux one so that they are > comparable. My vote is to make the number printed in parity with the number printed by a Netware server. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 15: 7:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (pop.sttl.uswest.net [206.81.192.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E0BA14CBF for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:07:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhays@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 16962 invoked by alias); 2 Sep 1999 22:07:10 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 16930 invoked by uid 0); 2 Sep 1999 22:07:09 -0000 Received: from odslppp151.sttl.uswest.net (HELO 127.0.0.1) (63.224.32.151) by sttl1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 2 Sep 1999 22:07:09 -0000 Content-Length: 756 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <195b73ac.25003ece@aol.com> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:10:02 -0000 (GMT) From: To: Smc659@aol.com Subject: RE: Using UDMA Cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 02-Sep-99 Smc659@aol.com wrote: > Im currently using FreeBSD-3.2 stable. How do you get UDMA support working > under FreeBSD? Do I need FreeBSD 4-Current? > > > Thanks, > Sam > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message Actually, if you just want to probe for DMA capability on a drive use the flag 0x2000. example: disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 flags 0x2000 (this option will probe for DMA capability on device wd0, which corresponds to the master IDE device on the first IDE controller, I believe) Like Mark, I'm not sure if this extends to UDMA support. type 'man 4 wd' for a better explanation of the wd drivers and their capabilities. --Justin Hays To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 15:22:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from tsunami.waterspout.com (tsunami.waterspout.com [208.13.56.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A3C14EFF; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:22:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from csg@tsunami.waterspout.com) Received: (from csg@localhost) by tsunami.waterspout.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id RAA13600; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:21:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from csg) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:21:33 -0500 From: "C. Stephen Gunn" To: adrian@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch Message-ID: <19990902172133.A13593@tsunami.waterspout.com> References: <19990903030126.F1215@ewok.creative.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990903030126.F1215@ewok.creative.net.au>; from adrian@FreeBSD.ORG on Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 03:01:26AM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 03:01:26AM +0800, adrian@FreeBSD.ORG wrote: > > The user would still have to know what type of filesystem is on > > the volume. My code tries filesystem types from a list, one by > > one, so the same command or desktop icon will mount a FAT, UFS, or > > EXT2FS floppy, for example. The system administrator can also > > specify default mount options on a device or filesystem-type basis. > > I like that idea, but that still doesn't need suid privs to do. But the mount call does. I agree that you need to specify the mount restrictions centrally. Otherwise what's to prevent me (the user) from making a floppy with a suid shell, and mounting it? It makes sense in some situations for only the user on the console to be able to perform mount operations, and to own the files once they get mounted. This is essential for a lab environment. If the options aren't appropriate for you, then configure things differently. Real configuration files are needed for this functionality. I don't buy that getting the config into/out-of the kernel is easier/better than a carefully crafted suid binary. If someone wants to propose an alternate mount API into the kernel that would provide for this functionality... that might be the best of both worlds... I've not looked at the problem in much detail though, but it would seem to address some concerns and keep the features that Mr. Korty has implemented and contributed. This still doesn't entirely - Steve -- WaterSpout Communications, Inc. csg@waterspout.com 427 North 6th Street http://www.waterspout.com/ Lafayette, IN 47901 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 15:32:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from tsunami.waterspout.com (tsunami.waterspout.com [208.13.56.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1657C15DBF for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:32:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from csg@tsunami.waterspout.com) Received: (from csg@localhost) by tsunami.waterspout.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id RAA13960 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:31:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from csg) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:31:47 -0500 From: "C. Stephen Gunn" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch Message-ID: <19990902173147.A13924@tsunami.waterspout.com> References: <19990903030126.F1215@ewok.creative.net.au> <19990902172133.A13593@tsunami.waterspout.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990902172133.A13593@tsunami.waterspout.com>; from C. Stephen Gunn on Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 05:21:33PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > This still doesn't entirely Oops. I didn't finish that thought again after the vi -r. I meant to say that even with a modifed kernel mount() call, there are difficulties getting all of the configuration possibities into the kernel propper. (Mount Options, What FS types to try, etc). - Steve -- WaterSpout Communications, Inc. csg@waterspout.com 427 North 6th Street http://www.waterspout.com/ Lafayette, IN 47901 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 15:46:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51EBA1568D for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:46:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.3/frmug-2.5/nospam) with UUCP id AAA16007 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:46:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 126CA870A; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:37:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:37:49 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric Message-ID: <19990902223749.A41654@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <37CEB68D.848BDAF8@sftw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <37CEB68D.848BDAF8@sftw.com>; from Nick Sayer on Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 10:40:30AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF ctm#5543 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Nick Sayer: > Would anyone scream and projectile-vomit if I added this to identcpu.c? Yes. We are also FreeBSD users/developers because we don't follow the Linux way. Bogomips are [as it says] bogus and many people acknoledge this but far too often you see in some Linux list/newsgroup some dick sizing^W^Wbogomips comparisons. Here lies madness. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #73: Sat Jul 31 15:36:05 CEST 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 15:50:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA04015C32; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:50:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id PAA01325; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id PAA09551; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:38:01 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id QAA03873; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:47:04 -0600 Message-ID: <37CEFE68.E736708B@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:47:04 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Cc: Julian Elischer , nsayer@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Matthew N. Dodd" wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Julian Elischer wrote: > > There was such a thing in 386BSD and FreeBSD1.0 > > > > I certainly thing it was a worth-while thing. > > I'd try make the loop as similar to the Linux one so that they are > > comparable. > > My vote is to make the number printed in parity with the number printed by > a Netware server. I think we should just hack SPECint and SPECfp into the system startup and be done with it. That'll make us look professional! For those who don't want to add 10 or 15 minutes to their system we'll add an rc.conf knob to turn it off. This has got to be the dumbest discussion I've ever seen on -hackers. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 16: 2:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C8014DC7 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:02:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@wintelcom.net) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01709; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:19:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@wintelcom.net) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:19:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Alfred Perlstein To: Ollivier Robert Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric In-Reply-To: <19990902223749.A41654@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Ollivier Robert wrote: > According to Nick Sayer: > > Would anyone scream and projectile-vomit if I added this to identcpu.c? > > Yes. We are also FreeBSD users/developers because we don't follow the Linux > way. Bogomips are [as it says] bogus and many people acknoledge this but far > too often you see in some Linux list/newsgroup some dick sizing^W^Wbogomips > comparisons. oh, please... what do you call a "world-stone"? :) Seriously, I do agree with you that it's a bad idea. "Just say no to bogomips" -Alfred > > Here lies madness. > -- > Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr > FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #73: Sat Jul 31 15:36:05 CEST 1999 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 16:34: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1290114C3C for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:34:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA61097; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:34:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Kurt Olsen Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:05:01 MDT." <199909022105.PAA43424@bootp.sls.usu.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:34:02 -0700 Message-ID: <61093.936315242@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > CPU: Pentium/P54C (132.73-MHz 586-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping=12 > Features=0x1bf > > Seems more precise and informative. For 386/486 based hardware > someone could adapt one of the numerous CPU speed detection routines > out there. Indeed. In fact, if someone is truly motivated to go and find something to do, rather than adding a BogoMIPS counter why not instead figure out some way to add CPU speed detection to SMP machines? As anyone with an SMP box knows, that speed information is disabled for various reasons. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 17:43:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from spooky.rwwa.com (rwwa.com [198.115.177.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54BAE15059 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:43:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from witr@rwwa.com) Received: from spooky.rwwa.com (localhost.rwwa.com [127.0.0.1]) by spooky.rwwa.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA05418; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:44:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from witr@rwwa.com) Message-Id: <199909030044.UAA05418@spooky.rwwa.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:42:58 +0200." <22954.936265378@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 20:44:31 -0400 From: Robert Withrow Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG sheldonh@uunet.co.za said: :- Emotional arguments and matters of personal preference aren't :- helpful. The only emotional argumentation seems to be yours. A "technical" objection was made that it seems best for ports to create whatever resources they need, and not polute base distribution with them. To me that seems to be quite a compeling argument. A "technical" observation was made that many ports needing this specific kind of resource (a uid or gid) already do just this. This also seems pretty compelling. Another "technical" objection was made that in large environment, these "reserved" uid and gid things are very *very* problematic because each vendor does it a different way. This is often overlooked by developers, but it is a major interoperability problem for those of us who try to deploy Freebsd in shops with thousands of computers using NIS. Ports maintainers should try to remember to consider this. Finally, I'll add my own "technical" observatios: there is no reason why multiple ports chouldn't *choose* to use the same uid or gid or username or whatever, but that isn't a good reason to add it to the base system. Also, adding it to the base system unnecessarily complicates maintenance (because, should one of the ports be changed to require *another* uid or gid, you would either have to go back and modify the base system, or you would be back in the situation you are already in by requiring the port to add the new uid/gid). So, I'd suggest this proposal *not* be addopted. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, R.W. Withrow Associates, Swampscott MA, witr@rwwa.COM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 17:49:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [208.139.222.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACF514F9D for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:49:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlemon@americantv.com) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28572; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:47:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from free.pcs (free.PCS [148.105.10.51]) by right.PCS (8.8.5/8.6.4) with ESMTP id TAA28569; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:47:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by free.pcs (8.8.6/8.8.5) id TAA16433; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:47:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:47:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Lemon Message-Id: <199909030047.TAA16433@free.pcs> To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric X-Newsgroups: local.mail.freebsd-hackers In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Architecture and Operating System Fanatics Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article you write: >> CPU: Pentium/P54C (132.73-MHz 586-class CPU) >> Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping=12 >> Features=0x1bf >> >> Seems more precise and informative. For 386/486 based hardware >> someone could adapt one of the numerous CPU speed detection routines >> out there. > >Indeed. In fact, if someone is truly motivated to go and find >something to do, rather than adding a BogoMIPS counter why not instead >figure out some way to add CPU speed detection to SMP machines? As >anyone with an SMP box knows, that speed information is disabled for >various reasons. What I want is a simple new readable sysctl, something like: hw.clockrate: 132 I think that this would be useful both for development (how fast is that stupid machine down in the bunker?), and system admininstration (who needs a cpu upgrade this year?). Doing this for Pentium and better systems should be trivial. Doing it for 486 and lower would just add a timing loop. Doing it for SMP would be harder. hw.cpu0.clockrate: 233 hw.cpu1.clockrate: 233 Possibly? The implementer gets to pick a better name than these. -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 19:13:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.aye.net (phoenix.aye.net [206.185.8.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 09DF114F5B for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:13:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barrett@phoenix.aye.net) Received: (qmail 17073 invoked by uid 1000); 3 Sep 1999 02:04:54 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Sep 1999 02:04:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:04:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Barrett Richardson To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MAC takeover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > Hi, > > IIRC some time ago there was a vivid discussion about ability to > change/set MAC address of Ethernet cards. I'm faced with similar problem > right now: when building high-availability configuration it would be very > handy to do MAC takeover instead of IP takeover. So, my questions follow: > > * which cards support it (that have FreeBSD drivers of course)? > > * is there some way to set it (I couldn't find any code in the ifconfig > nor in the kernel)? > > Thanks! > > Andrzej Bialecki > This is a bit off topic (not your post, but my reply), but you could have the live and spare server have the same ip on a loopback interface. This would avoid nasties with arp. If the servers were participating in a routing protocol, the routing protocol (can be done in BGP, OFPF or RIP) would have to be configured such that the live server was the preferred route to the ip address on the loopback. If the live server goes down, the backup server becomes the only available gateway to the ip in question. - Barrett Richardson (my name) barrett@aye.net (my email address) main(){} (my program) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 21:38:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D87014EA3 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:38:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (tc14-216-180-35-233.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.35.233]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA31823; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:37:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37CF509F.6E6D585@airnet.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 23:37:51 -0500 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ollivier Robert Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric References: <37CEB68D.848BDAF8@sftw.com> <19990902223749.A41654@keltia.freenix.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ollivier Robert wrote: > > According to Nick Sayer: > > Would anyone scream and projectile-vomit if I added this to identcpu.c? > > Yes. We are also FreeBSD users/developers because we don't follow the Linux > way. Bogomips are [as it says] bogus and many people acknoledge this but far > too often you see in some Linux list/newsgroup some dick sizing^W^Wbogomips > comparisons. Of course, that's what RC5DES is for. -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 21:44: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF3414EA3 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:44:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (tc14-216-180-35-233.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.35.233]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA20066; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:42:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37CF51AE.2CA35B3@airnet.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 23:42:22 -0500 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chris@calldei.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric References: <37CEB68D.848BDAF8@sftw.com> <19990902154111.A15805@tabby.kudra.com> <19990902154111.K26218@holly.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chris Costello wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 02, 1999, Robert Sexton wrote: > > I'd have to agree with the "Lets be more professional" crowd. > > > > How about as a LINT option? "If you need something so banal, you can > > turn it on yourself" > > No, since it would just be useless bloat in the source tree. I'm going to have to side with Chris on this one. I spent half of last night trying to cut and trim as much out of the kernel as I could so it would boot on a 386SX-20 with 3 MB of RAM. Needless bloat is just that. (And FWIW, I made it to 997K, with just wdc0, fdc0, sio(4), ppp(4), and MSDOS support. I just wish I had PCMCIA slots so I could BOOTP FreeBSD instead.) -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 21:44:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mailout1.nyroc.rr.com (mailout1-0.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373F215C0A for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:44:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leisner@rochester.rr.com) Received: from mail2.rochester.rr.com ([24.92.226.140]) by mailout1.nyroc.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:44:12 -0400 Received: from rochester.rr.com ([24.93.25.209]) by mail2.rochester.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-53939U80000L80000S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:44:11 -0400 Received: from soyata.home (IDENT:leisner@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rochester.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA05859; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:44:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199909030444.AAA05859@rochester.rr.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 Reply-To: leisner@rochester.rr.com To: Marc Nicholas Cc: The Hermit Hacker , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: StarOffice giveaway of source code In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:19:06 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 00:44:25 -0400 From: "Marty Leisner" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Didn't they actually kinda do this when they announced the availability of > Solaris source code, and then that didn't really seem to materialize the > first time around? Maybe my recolection of events is somewhat blurred... > I remember this (under the community source code license). But never saw any details. But they do "give" away solaris for personal use (but I find it not something I want to use without source). Marty Leisner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 23: 2: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A188215AA3 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:02:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from [204.68.178.39] (helo=softweyr.com) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11MmPS-0005Mh-00; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:01:15 -0600 Message-ID: <37CF6427.450B9902@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 00:01:11 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warner Losh Cc: Mike Smith , Ollivier Robert , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's References: <199909012256.PAA01514@dingo.cdrom.com> <199909020856.CAA23855@harmony.village.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Warner Losh wrote: > > In message <199909012256.PAA01514@dingo.cdrom.com> Mike Smith writes: > : If we do this, I hope a more obvious name is chosen; something like > : "mailman" might be a start. Or "mailperson", or "postperson", or > : whatever. "mta" just feels a little obscure. > > postmanpete > > which is both obscure and descriptive. Sadly it may be sexist as > well... Hah! Try "mcfeely" for obscure and descriptive. Much better than the much-maligned "newman" or the out-of-date "cliffy". -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 23: 9:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from bantha.org (adsl-117.ntrnet.net [208.241.154.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD6A14F79 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:09:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from krinsky@bantha.org) Received: by bantha.org (Postfix, from userid 100) id 63ACE66B04; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 02:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 02:08:59 -0400 From: David Krinsky To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Seagate STT8000A (ATAPI/IDE) on FreeBSD? (fwd) Message-ID: <19990903020859.A33016@bantha.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I posted this to -hardware a few days ago and haven't gotten much in the way of feedback; since it sounds to me like a driver bug this seems like an appropriate forum too. Is anyone here using -any- ATAPI drive for backup? Thanks in advance for any help you can provide...this is screwy, and I really would rather not have to go out and buy a different tape drive. :-/ Dave. ----- Forwarded message from David Krinsky ----- Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:26:21 -0400 From: David Krinsky To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Seagate STT8000A (ATAPI/IDE) on FreeBSD? X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Has anyone here successfully used a Seagate STT8000A (8 gig Travan) ATAPI/IDE tape drive with FreeBSD? With wst0 compiled into the kernel, the drive is recognized correctly, and even works properly with small amounts of data; I have been able to back up and restore (using tar) a small test directory. When I try to tar up a usefully-sized directory or filesystem, however, the drive will begin its work apparently correctly, but the tar will exit with an I/O error at a variable point a few seconds to minutes into the backup. The following goes to syslog: wst_done: wst0: nonrecovered data error total=337920 ERR=70 len=20 ASC=31 ASCQ=0 After this point, and until the next reboot, all attempts to access the drive cause the machine to hang for a few seconds, and then return to normal, but with the new tar process asleep, apparently uninterruptibly, on wstdsc. After the brief hang the following appears in the syslog: atapi1.1: controller not ready for cmd atapi1.1: controller not ready for cmd atapi1.1: controller not ready for cmd atapi1.1: controller not ready for cmd atapi1.1: controller not ready for cmd wst0: Sense media type failed Has anyone seen this problem? I am running 3.2-STABLE on a vanilla PIII-450. The filesystems being backed up are, in toto, quite large, but the disk space used is less than 3GB (and should thus fit on one tape with or without compression). Any help would be appreciated; I'm willing to go to -CURRENT if it'll fix the problem, but as this is my primary work machine I'd rather not do so unless I'm confident it will improve the situation. Many thanks! Dave. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message ----- End forwarded message ----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 23:14:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from valis.worldgate.ca (valis.worldgate.ca [198.161.84.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D4215283; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:14:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from skafte@valis.worldgate.ca) Received: (from skafte@localhost) by valis.worldgate.ca (8.9.3/8.9.1) id AAA77060; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:13:34 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:13:33 -0600 From: Greg Skafte To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: RELENG_3 and diskless booting Message-ID: <19990903001333.B74752@valis.worldgate.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Organization: WorldGate Inc. X-PGP-Fingerprint: 42 9C 2C A8 4D 2B C9 C4 7D B6 00 B0 50 47 20 97 X-URL: http://gras-varg.worldgate.com/~skafte Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG please followup only in hackers..... I've Just cvsuped freebsd RELENG_3 as of this evening (~21:00 mdt) and using a rom built with etherboot 4.1b9 which has worked flawlessly for the last couple of months. Tonight I getting Searching for server... My IP xxx.yyy.zzz.www Server IP aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd, GW IP fff.ggg.hhh.iii Loading /disklessroot/hostname/kernel... FreeBSD-elf Entry = 0xC01178A0 Segment -1, offset 00000000, read 00000200, loadpoint 00000000 text size 2 =0x001583fe 00000000 c0100000 Segment 2, offset 00000000, read 00000200, loadpoint 00100000 Segment 2, offset 00000000, read 00158400, loadpoint 00258200 Write trailing bit data size 3= 0x00018780 00158400 C0259400 Segment 3, offset 00000000, read 00158400, loadpoint 00259400 Then the machine reboots .... previously it did ..... My IP xxx.yyy.zzz.www Server IP aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd, GW IP fff.ggg.hhh.iii Loading /disklessroot/hostname/kernel... FreeBSD-elf Entry = 0xC0117669 Segment -1, offset 00000000, read 00000200, loadpoint 00000000 text size 2 =0x001566c6 00000000 c0100000 Segment 2, offset 00000000, read 00000200, loadpoint 00100000 Segment 2, offset 00000000, read 00158400, loadpoint 00258200 Write trailing bit data size 3= 0x00018604 001566c8 c02576c8 Segment 3, offset 000000c8, read 00156800, loadpoint 002576c8 then up comes the normal kernel boot messages to console.... I see a lot of changes have occured, the booting kernel is FreeBSD xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 3.2-STABLE FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE #9: Thu Aug 26 22: 00:55 MDT 1999 root@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:/usr/src/sys/compile/DISKLESS i386 and was cvsuped on Aug 26 around 21:00 MDT -- Email: skafte@worldgate.com Voice: +403 413 1910 Fax: +403 421 4929 #575 Sun Life Place * 10123 99 Street * Edmonton, AB * Canada * T5J 3H1 -- -- PGP 2.6.2 Key fingerprint = 42 9C 2C A8 4D 2B C9 C4 7D B6 00 B0 50 47 20 97 http://gras-varg.worldgate.com/~skafte/ http://www.worldgate.com/ -- -- When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a whole lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the simplest thing in the world; it's preventing one that's complex. (Janet Morris) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 2 23:48:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (freebsd.dk [212.242.42.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A616814DC3 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:48:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA88473; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:47:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) From: Soren Schmidt Message-Id: <199909030647.IAA88473@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: Seagate STT8000A (ATAPI/IDE) on FreeBSD? (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19990903020859.A33016@bantha.org> from David Krinsky at "Sep 3, 1999 2: 8:59 am" To: krinsky+freebsd@bantha.org (David Krinsky) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:47:54 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It seems David Krinsky wrote: > I posted this to -hardware a few days ago and haven't > gotten much in the way of feedback; since it sounds to me > like a driver bug this seems like an appropriate forum too. > > Is anyone here using -any- ATAPI drive for backup? Yup, I use one: ast0: tape drive at ata1 as slave ast0: Drive empty, readonly, reverse, qfa, ecc, 512b ast0: Max speed=600Kb/s, Transfer limit=52 blocks, Buffer size=728 blocks > When I try to tar up a usefully-sized directory or filesystem, > however, the drive will begin its work apparently correctly, but the > tar will exit with an I/O error at a variable point a few seconds to > minutes into the backup. The following goes to syslog: > > wst_done: wst0: nonrecovered data error I've seen this problem LOTS of times when using the old wd based atapi subsystem. I've never been able to find out why this is happening exactly. This was part of the reason I started out on the new ATA driver (only in -current now). I've never had this problem using the ATA driver, so I'm pretty sure its the old driver thats at fault, probably some delicate timing prob. Using the new driver I do routine backups every night on a couble of servers, not seen a signle problem yet... -Soren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 0:43:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from castle.netlink.co.uk (castle.netlink.co.uk [194.88.140.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7779F14FF6 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:43:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geoffb@castle.netlink.co.uk) Received: (from geoffb@localhost) by castle.netlink.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21787 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:07:57 +0100 (BST) From: Geoff Buckingham Message-Id: <199909030807.JAA21787@castle.netlink.co.uk> Subject: Dell PERC LVD card (Power Edge Raid Controller) To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:07:56 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: geoffb@netlink.co.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Through a mis-order I have aquired a PERC card (Actually an AMI megaRAID) which I am happy to make available to anyone genuinly interested in working on a driver (This is the PCI RAID card that goes into Dells Power Edge servers if ordered in a RAID configuration) -- Geoff Buckingham Systems Manager Netlink Internet Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 1: 0:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from nexus.plymovent.se (nexus.plymovent.se [212.247.77.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153EC15142 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:00:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thomas.uhrfelt@plymovent.se) Received: from tu ([192.168.1.21]) by nexus.plymovent.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA98972; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:11:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from thomas.uhrfelt@plymovent.se) From: "Thomas Uhrfelt" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Dell PERC LVD card (Power Edge Raid Controller) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:59:48 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <199909030807.JAA21787@castle.netlink.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG An excellent initiative! I think there are many administrators/system managers out there with a huge stack of unused goods lying on the shelves to no use at all. Perhaps there should be a database where interested devicedriver programmers could post their needs and sysadminds could post their unneeded hardware on. Perhaps in that way we could speed up the development of HW drivers for FreeBSD? Any thoughts on this one? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Geoff Buckingham > Sent: den 3 september 1999 10:08 > To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Dell PERC LVD card (Power Edge Raid Controller) > > > > Through a mis-order I have aquired a PERC card (Actually an AMI megaRAID) > which I am happy to make available to anyone genuinly interested > in working > on a driver (This is the PCI RAID card that goes into Dells Power > Edge servers > if ordered in a RAID configuration) > > -- > Geoff Buckingham > Systems Manager > Netlink Internet Services > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 1: 1:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ns.plaut.de (ns.plaut.de [194.39.177.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E482D15668 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:01:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@nihil.plaut.de) Received: from totum.plaut.de (totum.plaut.de [194.39.177.9]) by ns.plaut.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02732; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:01:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from root@nihil.plaut.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by totum.plaut.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id KAA22233; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:01:01 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from root@nihil.plaut.de) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by nihil.plaut.de (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01351; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:00:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from root@nihil.plaut.de) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:00:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Michael Reifenberger To: Jaye Mathisen Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: systat -- "The alternate system clock has died"... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Jaye Mathisen wrote: ... > Anybody else seeing this? Or is it make world time again...? There was a patch flooding around to /sys/i386/isa/clock.c in the lists which add a: while (rtcin(RTC_INTR) & RTCIR_PERIOD) statclock(&frame); to the beginning of clkintr(). This seems to eliminate the problem for me. Bye! ---- Michael Reifenberger Plaut Software GmbH, R/3 Basis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 1:13:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC0F14A0B; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:13:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@stampede.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA11196; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 03:11:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sji-ca43-43.ix.netcom.com(209.111.209.43) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma011178; Fri Sep 3 03:10:52 1999 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.6.9) id BAA95573; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:10:33 -0700 (PDT) To: hoek@FreeBSD.org Cc: Sheldon Hearn , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's References: <19990901204859.B14974@mad> <21096.936259315@axl.noc.iafrica.com> <19990902100845.A1098@mad> From: asami@FreeBSD.org (Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami) Date: 03 Sep 1999 01:10:32 -0700 In-Reply-To: Tim Vanderhoek's message of "Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:08:45 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * From: Tim Vanderhoek * differences are 1) entries in inetd.conf are sample entries only, 2) * ports have no way of adding those entries to inetd.conf themselves * (since touching /etc is illegal). Uh, you're contradicting yourself. Touching /etc is not illegal. * 2) The current system for having ports add their own usernames and * groupnames is very simple. It is a little messy in that there are a * number of different pkg/INSTALL scripts, some of them broken to * various degrees. Simply adding an mta username:groupname won't solve * that problem. Besides those that add uid/gids, most shell ports add entries to /etc/shells. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 1:17:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from luna.lyris.net (luna.shelby.com [207.90.155.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56E314D4A for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:17:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kip@lyris.com) Received: from luna.shelby.com by luna.lyris.net (8.9.1b+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id BAA09748; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (luna.shelby.com [207.90.155.6]) by luna.shelby.com with SMTP (MailShield v1.50); Fri, 03 Sep 1999 01:16:58 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:16:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Kip Macy X-Sender: kip@luna To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: gdb and source forking Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-SMTP-HELO: luna X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kip@lyris.com X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: hackers@freebsd.org X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: luna.shelby.com [207.90.155.6] Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have been trying to apply some modifications to gdb but have noticed that FreeBSD has basically gone off on its own path with respect to gdb. Is there any intention pf getting these changes merged back in to the original distribution? It looks like it would be a lot of work. -Kip To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 1:29:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from netvisor.hu (mmtp89.mit.bme.hu [152.66.81.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8020014D4A; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:29:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from szoli@netvisor.hu) Received: from localhost (szoli@localhost) by netvisor.hu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA07342; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:26:46 +0200 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:26:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Sebestyen Zoltan X-Sender: szoli@linux.intranet.netvisor.hu To: FreeBSD questions mailinglist Cc: FreeBSD hackers mailinglist Subject: Just read it on slashdot: Berkeley removes Advertising Clause Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I've just read this piece of news on slashdot.org that that "UC-Berkeley has changed the *BSD license. Effective immediately, the 3rd clause, that which requires acknowledgement of UCB in all advertising is null and void.". Did the FreeBSD team do this change in FreeBSD sources? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Sebesty=E9n Zolt=E1n =09There was a time when all on my = mind=20 =09=09=09=09=09was Love. MAKE INSTALL NOT WAR=09=09=09Now I find that most of the time =09=09=09=09=09love's not enough in itself. =20 I use UNIX because reboots are for hardware upgrades. Kick me! Whip me!! Make me develop on AIX!!! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 1:35:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33D915004 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:35:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@stampede.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA08279; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 03:32:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sji-ca43-43.ix.netcom.com(209.111.209.43) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma008275; Fri Sep 3 03:32:27 1999 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.6.9) id BAA95668; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:16:17 -0700 (PDT) To: Jonathan Lemon Cc: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric References: <199909030047.TAA16433@free.pcs> From: asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami) Date: 03 Sep 1999 01:16:16 -0700 In-Reply-To: Jonathan Lemon's message of "Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:47:31 -0500 (CDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 29 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * From: Jonathan Lemon * What I want is a simple new readable sysctl, something like: * * hw.clockrate: 132 * * I think that this would be useful both for development (how fast * is that stupid machine down in the bunker?), and system admininstration * (who needs a cpu upgrade this year?). I like that. * Doing this for Pentium and better systems should be trivial. Doing * it for 486 and lower would just add a timing loop. Doing it for SMP * would be harder. * * hw.cpu0.clockrate: 233 * hw.cpu1.clockrate: 233 * * Possibly? The implementer gets to pick a better name than these. How about hw.clockrate.cpu0: 233 hw.clockrate.cpu1: 233 (cpu0 only for uni-procs, of course). Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 2: 7:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26DFD1545C for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 02:07:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12368; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:07:32 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:07:32 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Kip Macy Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gdb and source forking In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 3 Sep 1999, Kip Macy wrote: > I have been trying to apply some modifications to gdb but have noticed > that FreeBSD has basically gone off on its own path with respect to gdb. > Is there any intention pf getting these changes merged back in to the > original distribution? It looks like it would be a lot of work. I don't think we have gone very far from the gdb-4.18 distribution. We have made some changes to solib.c to account for some peculiarities in our ld.so and there may be some other minor changes elsewhere. It would be some work to break out all our changes so that they can be invidually submitted to FSF. Assigning all the changes to FSF is about 10x the effort and I don't have much enthusiasm for it. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 2:34:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356B314D95 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 02:34:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id LAA05562; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:18:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06512; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:35:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199909022235.AAA06512@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric In-Reply-To: <19990902154838.M26218@holly.dyndns.org> from Chris Costello at "Sep 2, 1999 3:48:38 pm" To: chris@calldei.com Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:35:04 +0200 (CEST) Cc: kpielorz@tdx.co.uk, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Chris Costello wrote ... > On Thu, Sep 02, 1999, Karl Pielorz wrote: > > Chris Costello wrote: > > > No, since it would just be useless bloat in the source tree. > > > > If we must have it, how about a port? - I'm definitely for the "this isn't a > > good idea" crowd, When I was using Linux, I thought it was 'cute'... I've > > grown up a bit since then... > > I don't think the local Ports Wraith would be amazingly happy No. He will turn into a Ports Wrath :) -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 2:42:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270E814E59 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 02:42:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@florence.pavilion.net) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) id KAA35777; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:41:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:41:28 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Ollivier Robert Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's Message-ID: <19990903104128.K88479@pavilion.net> References: <19990902003928.A33233@keltia.freenix.fr> <199909012256.PAA01514@dingo.cdrom.com> <19990902212949.B40966@keltia.freenix.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990902212949.B40966@keltia.freenix.fr>; from Ollivier Robert on Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 09:29:49PM +0200 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 09:29:49PM +0200, Ollivier Robert wrote: > According to Mike Smith: > > If we do this, I hope a more obvious name is chosen; something like > > "mailman" might be a start. Or "mailperson", or "postperson", or > > whatever. "mta" just feels a little obscure. > > "smtp", the first proposal is a better idea then. "mailman" (like it is used > on hub) is more for a human. Don't use 'mailman' please. We've already got it assigned across site for the MailMan mailing list software. :) Joe -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? Technical Manager Viagra for your server (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 2:49:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from post.ruh-bath.swest.nhs.uk (hide14.nhs.uk [194.6.81.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F31314E59 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 02:49:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rich@ruh-bath.swest.nhs.uk) Received: by post.ruh-bath.swest.nhs.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) id ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:49:36 +0100 Message-ID: <930BFA16390CD3119E010000F6E660C9A61D@fear.ruh-bath.swest.nhs.uk> From: "Wood, Richard" To: 'Josef Karthauser' Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:49:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -----Original Message----- > From: Josef Karthauser [mailto:joe@pavilion.net] > Sent: 03 September 1999 10:41 > Don't use 'mailman' please. We've already got it assigned across > site for the MailMan mailing list software. :) I vote for 'Pat' and any other mail software could use 'Jess'. Rich -- Rich Wood Home: rich@dynamite.org, rich@FreeBSD.org.uk Work: rich@ruh-bath.swest.nhs.uk, rich@systemagic.co.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 2:49:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691B6155EE for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 02:49:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11MpyH-0009PV-00; Fri, 03 Sep 1999 11:49:25 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Josef Karthauser Cc: Ollivier Robert , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 Sep 1999 10:41:28 +0100." <19990903104128.K88479@pavilion.net> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 11:49:25 +0200 Message-ID: <36176.936352165@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 03 Sep 1999 10:41:28 +0100, Josef Karthauser wrote: > Don't use 'mailman' please. We've already got it assigned across > site for the MailMan mailing list software. :) Sendmail likes mailnull and sendmail. :-) Later, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 2:53:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B8C1513F for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 02:53:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@florence.pavilion.net) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) id KAA37742; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:52:20 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:52:20 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: "Wood, Richard" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's Message-ID: <19990903105220.M88479@pavilion.net> References: <930BFA16390CD3119E010000F6E660C9A61D@fear.ruh-bath.swest.nhs.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <930BFA16390CD3119E010000F6E660C9A61D@fear.ruh-bath.swest.nhs.uk>; from Wood, Richard on Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 10:49:35AM +0100 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, 24 The Old Steine, Brighton, BN1 1EL, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 10:49:35AM +0100, Wood, Richard wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Josef Karthauser [mailto:joe@pavilion.net] > > Sent: 03 September 1999 10:41 > > > Don't use 'mailman' please. We've already got it assigned across > > site for the MailMan mailing list software. :) > > I vote for 'Pat' and any other mail software could use 'Jess'. That's a UK joke :) (there's a kiddies program called Postman Pat [and his Black & White cat Jess]). Joe -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? Technical Manager Viagra for your server (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 3: 2:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3805414BE5 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 03:02:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@stampede.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id EAA26994; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 04:59:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sji-ca43-43.ix.netcom.com(209.111.209.43) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma026988; Fri Sep 3 04:59:29 1999 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.6.9) id CAA96079; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 02:58:47 -0700 (PDT) To: Wilko Bulte Cc: chris@calldei.com, kpielorz@tdx.co.uk, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric References: <199909022235.AAA06512@yedi.iaf.nl> From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami) Date: 03 Sep 1999 02:58:46 -0700 In-Reply-To: Wilko Bulte's message of "Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:35:04 +0200 (CEST)" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * From: Wilko Bulte * As Chris Costello wrote ... * > I don't think the local Ports Wraith would be amazingly happy * * No. He will turn into a Ports Wrath Hey, if you're going to make fun of me, at least CC: me or something so I know! ;) -PW (W?) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 3:16:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from laurasia.com.au (lauras.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.93.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0AAE14CA7 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 03:16:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@laurasia.com.au) Received: (from mike@localhost) by laurasia.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA37489 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:15:10 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from mike) From: Michael Kennett Message-Id: <199909031015.SAA37489@laurasia.com.au> Subject: Crossing building alpha world fails To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:15:10 +0800 (WST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello All, I've been trying to cross-build the alpha port of freebsd (from x86). The build is failing in src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils. The command I've issued is: TARGET=alpha TARGET_ARCH=alpha MACHINE=alpha MACHINE_ARCH=alpha \ make buildworld Is this the correct command to use for building the cross? The source code tree is from freebsd-current, taken as of today. The build failed with yesterdays -current as well. Any help is appreciated. Michael Kennett (mike@laurasia.com.au) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 3:23:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1BB014CA7 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 03:23:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.1) id UAA85268; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:30:02 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:30:01 +1000 From: John Birrell To: Michael Kennett Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Crossing building alpha world fails Message-ID: <19990903203001.S36761@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> References: <199909031015.SAA37489@laurasia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <199909031015.SAA37489@laurasia.com.au>; from Michael Kennett on Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 06:15:10PM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 06:15:10PM +0800, Michael Kennett wrote: > Hello All, > > I've been trying to cross-build the alpha port of freebsd (from x86). > The build is failing in src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils. > > The command I've issued is: > > TARGET=alpha TARGET_ARCH=alpha MACHINE=alpha MACHINE_ARCH=alpha \ > make buildworld > > Is this the correct command to use for building the cross? > > The source code tree is from freebsd-current, taken as of today. The > build failed with yesterdays -current as well. You can't build for a 64-bit binutils target on a 32-bit host. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 3:37:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.palmerharvey.co.uk (mail.palmerharvey.co.uk [62.172.109.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C2D14D27 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 03:37:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Dom.Mitchell@palmerharvey.co.uk) Received: from ho-nt-01.pandhm.co.uk (unverified) by mail.palmerharvey.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.0.1) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:35:23 +0100 Received: from voodoo.pandhm.co.uk (VOODOO [10.100.35.12]) by ho-nt-01.pandhm.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id RWF23YBS; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:34:52 +0100 Received: from dom by voodoo.pandhm.co.uk with local (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11MqhB-00016Z-00; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:35:49 +0100 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:35:49 +0100 To: "Wood, Richard" Cc: 'Josef Karthauser' , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's Message-ID: <19990903113549.A4236@voodoo.pandhm.co.uk> References: <930BFA16390CD3119E010000F6E660C9A61D@fear.ruh-bath.swest.nhs.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <930BFA16390CD3119E010000F6E660C9A61D@fear.ruh-bath.swest.nhs.uk>; from Wood, Richard on Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 10:49:35AM +0100 From: Dominic Mitchell Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 10:49:35AM +0100, Wood, Richard wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Josef Karthauser [mailto:joe@pavilion.net] > > Sent: 03 September 1999 10:41 > > > Don't use 'mailman' please. We've already got it assigned across > > site for the MailMan mailing list software. :) > > I vote for 'Pat' and any other mail software could use 'Jess'. I'm sorry, but that'd throw out anybody already running PP at their site. :-) -- Dom Mitchell -- Palmer & Harvey McLane -- Unix Systems Administrator "Ordinary folks who don't understand computers don't deserve to be mocked. Ordinary people who want to use their computers but refuse to learn anything about them do." -- slashdot comment ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 5:11:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mrelay.jrc.it (mrelay.jrc.it [139.191.1.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 480C414C92; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 05:11:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nick.hibma@jrc.it) Received: from elect8 (elect8.jrc.it [139.191.71.152]) by mrelay.jrc.it (LMC5692) with ESMTP id OAA14708; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:09:27 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:09:26 +0200 (MET DST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@elect8 Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami Cc: Wilko Bulte , chris@calldei.com, kpielorz@tdx.co.uk, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hey, if you're going to make fun of me, at least CC: me or something > so I know! ;) > > -PW (W?) oh oh! He's upgraded his acronym ... He's gonna take over the world ! -- ISIS/STA, T.P.270, Joint Research Centre, 21020 Ispra, Italy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 7:10:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F67514BE6; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:10:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vanderh@ecf.toronto.edu) Received: from localhost.nowhere (ppp18339.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.130.19]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14017; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA18862; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:09:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:09:00 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami Cc: Sheldon Hearn , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's Message-ID: <19990903100900.A17903@mad> Reply-To: hoek@FreeBSD.org References: <19990901204859.B14974@mad> <21096.936259315@axl.noc.iafrica.com> <19990902100845.A1098@mad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami on Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 01:10:32AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 01:10:32AM -0700, Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami wrote: > >> differences are 1) entries in inetd.conf are sample entries only, 2) >> ports have no way of adding those entries to inetd.conf themselves >> (since touching /etc is illegal). > > Uh, you're contradicting yourself. Touching /etc is not illegal. Well, ok, the word "illegal" was a little strong. However, this is a long-standing policy from at least 1995/6. See the following relevant message-IDs: 199509201159.EAA04965@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU You state that touching /etc is "hardly sacred" but that it is wise to avoid it due to the large contingent of people who feel strongly against it. The contingent of people appears to have included markm and ollivier, but not Terry Lambert who advocated "templating" so that ports could modify /etc but still have a read-only root fs. I could not find the previous discussion you refer to -- it was probably only in -hackers and not -ports). GDcVv0nyd6@ache.dialup.ru A reference to the ultimate goal of switching /etc to be read-only is made by ache. [It does not appear he agreed with the "large contingent" mentioned above, though]. 199601221813.TAA04300@keltia.freenix.fr A reference to the policy of not allowing ports to touch /etc is made by ollivier. I believe this is the message that I read and remembered. I suppose I could have chosen a wimpier word than "illegal", but we have tried to avoid schmucking with /etc for quite a while... I believe this is a good thing to avoid. > Besides those that add uid/gids, most shell ports add entries to > /etc/shells. Yes, I know that. :-) -- This is my .signature which gets appended to the end of my messages. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 8:13:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from fanf.noc.demon.net (fanf.noc.demon.net [195.11.55.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F6F315226 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:12:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fanf@demon.net) Received: from fanf by fanf.noc.demon.net with local (Exim 3.02 #13) id 11Mv0f-0003BY-00; Fri, 03 Sep 1999 16:12:13 +0100 To: sheldonh@uunet.co.za From: Tony Finch Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's In-Reply-To: <22954.936265378@axl.noc.iafrica.com> References: <19990902013259.B4058@space.net> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 16:12:13 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sheldon Hearn wrote: > >The numeric ID is not important. Neither is the name. So long as there's >something that people maintaining ports can use. I've followed Solaris' >lead on the choice of name, ``smtp''. Hmm. One of my Solaris boxen has mail:x:6:6:Unprivileged mail user:/: smtp:x:0:0:Mail Daemon User:/: (Presumably the smtp user is privileged in order to bind to port 25.) I prefer user & group mail since it is non-cryptic and common. Tony. -- f.a.n.finch dot@dotat.at fanf@demon.net e pluribus unix To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 8:19:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A37114CA9 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:19:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11Mv6U-0000Fl-00; Fri, 03 Sep 1999 17:18:14 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Tony Finch Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 Sep 1999 16:12:13 +0100." Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 17:18:14 +0200 Message-ID: <976.936371894@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 03 Sep 1999 16:12:13 +0100, Tony Finch wrote: > mail:x:6:6:Unprivileged mail user:/: > smtp:x:0:0:Mail Daemon User:/: > > (Presumably the smtp user is privileged in order to bind to port 25.) > I prefer user & group mail since it is non-cryptic and common. Well, this isn't what we'd want if we sandboxed Sendmail (using the RunAsUser option). We'd want the sendmail binary setuid root, but it'd drop its priviledges as soon as it had bound to the port, operating thereafter as whatever sandbox user we choose. However, it does seem that a number of people will object to sandboxing sendmail, since we'll be introducing a new UID into the base system which, I'm told, causes lots of problems. Perhaps the objections were raised because I didn't say I wanted to sandbox Sendmail. I've looked through my sent mail and I can see that I didn't say anything about it in my initial mail. That's unfortunate. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 8:33:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from voyager.fisicc-ufm.edu (ip-198-202.guate.net [209.198.197.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8796150A4 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:32:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obonilla@voyager.fisicc-ufm.edu) Received: (from obonilla@localhost) by voyager.fisicc-ufm.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA34635; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:31:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from obonilla) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:31:03 -0600 From: Oscar Bonilla To: "Brian W. Buchanan" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UCB removes advertising clause Message-ID: <19990903093103.D34503@fisicc-ufm.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 12:23:38PM -0700, Brian W. Buchanan wrote: > This is apparently old news, but I don't recall seeing anything about it > on the lists, and didn't hear about it until it hit Slashdot a short while > ago. > > ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/4bsd/README.Impt.License.Change: > > July 22, 1999 > Yeah, McKusick talked about this last usenix, he said he was trying to convince UCB of how useless this clause was... seems he made it :) does that mean we can get rid of the copyright of the University at boot time? do we want to? regards, -Oscar -- For PGP Public Key: finger obonilla@fisicc-ufm.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 9:32:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mta3.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta3.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A50A14F11 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:32:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.dyndns.org) Received: from holly.dyndns.org (adsl-216-62-157-60.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) by mta3.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with ESMTP id <0FHH00K1YSHYG3@mta3.rcsntx.swbell.net> for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:29:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA33569; Fri, 03 Sep 1999 11:32:25 -0500 (CDT envelope-from chris) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 11:32:24 -0500 From: Chris Costello Subject: Re: UCB removes advertising clause In-reply-to: <19990903093103.D34503@fisicc-ufm.edu> To: Oscar Bonilla Cc: "Brian W. Buchanan" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <19990903113224.I30496@holly.calldei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.4i References: <19990903093103.D34503@fisicc-ufm.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Sep 03, 1999, Oscar Bonilla wrote: > does that mean we can get rid of the copyright of the University at > boot time? do we want to? If it were up to me, we would not want to. I feel we should continue to give UCB credit regardless of whether that particular clause in the license agreement is enforced. Without them, where would we be? -- |Chris Costello |Your fault, core dumped. `---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 9:50:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from voyager.fisicc-ufm.edu (ip-198-202.guate.net [209.198.197.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E871414E16 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:49:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obonilla@voyager.fisicc-ufm.edu) Received: (from obonilla@localhost) by voyager.fisicc-ufm.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA34960; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:46:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from obonilla) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:46:05 -0600 From: Oscar Bonilla To: Chris Costello Cc: Oscar Bonilla , "Brian W. Buchanan" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UCB removes advertising clause Message-ID: <19990903104605.H34503@fisicc-ufm.edu> References: <19990903093103.D34503@fisicc-ufm.edu> <19990903113224.I30496@holly.calldei.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i In-Reply-To: <19990903113224.I30496@holly.calldei.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 11:32:24AM -0500, Chris Costello wrote: > On Fri, Sep 03, 1999, Oscar Bonilla wrote: > > does that mean we can get rid of the copyright of the University at > > boot time? do we want to? > > If it were up to me, we would not want to. I feel we should > continue to give UCB credit regardless of whether that particular > clause in the license agreement is enforced. Without them, where > would we be? > I totally agree here. Besides it shows a certaing linage to be a direct descendant of Berkeley Unix :) -Oscar -- For PGP Public Key: finger obonilla@fisicc-ufm.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 10:41:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from wopr.caltech.edu (wopr.caltech.edu [131.215.240.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FCCB15E2B for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:41:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mph@wopr.caltech.edu) Received: (from mph@localhost) by wopr.caltech.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA72490; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:39:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mph) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:39:57 -0700 From: Matthew Hunt To: Wes Peters Cc: Warner Losh , Mike Smith , Ollivier Robert , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's Message-ID: <19990903103957.A71920@wopr.caltech.edu> References: <199909012256.PAA01514@dingo.cdrom.com> <199909020856.CAA23855@harmony.village.org> <37CF6427.450B9902@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <37CF6427.450B9902@softweyr.com>; from Wes Peters on Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 12:01:11AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 12:01:11AM -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > Hah! Try "mcfeely" for obscure and descriptive. Much better than the > much-maligned "newman" or the out-of-date "cliffy". And "mcfeely" has connotations of rapid dispatching of mail, which the other two certainly do not. -- Matthew Hunt * Inertia is a property http://www.pobox.com/~mph/ * of matter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 11:17:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from defiant.quansoo.com (defiant.quansoo.com [63.66.225.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70CF214EC8 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:17:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cgriffiths@quansoo.com) Received: from localhost (cgriffiths@localhost) by defiant.quansoo.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02184 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:16:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cgriffiths@quansoo.com) X-Authentication-Warning: defiant.quansoo.com: cgriffiths owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:16:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher T. Griffiths" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Sun StarOffice51 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Has anyone had any luck getting Sun release of StarOffice to work?? I have the new emulation ports for linux installed and have done the different suggested installs with no luck. I am still getting the setup screen whenever I launch soffice. I also made sure that I created the .sversion file with the following info: [Versions] StarOffice 5.1=/home/cgriffiths/Office51 also, I did notice that the versions of the libs had changed from 6 to 7. If anyone could give me some help getting this working that would be great. Chris Christopher T. Griffiths Senior Network/Systems Administrator Quansoo Group Inc. cgriffiths@quansoo.com Phone: (302) 777-4141 Fax: (302) 777-4142 Mobile: (302) 521-3436 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 11:36:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97FA71510D for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:36:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id LAA14104; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id LAA09413; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:26:18 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn4.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA20292; Fri, 3 Sep 99 11:35:35 PDT Message-Id: <37D014F7.7C32ADBB@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 12:35:35 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Josef Karthauser Cc: Ollivier Robert , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's References: <19990902003928.A33233@keltia.freenix.fr> <199909012256.PAA01514@dingo.cdrom.com> <19990902212949.B40966@keltia.freenix.fr> <19990903104128.K88479@pavilion.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Josef Karthauser wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 09:29:49PM +0200, Ollivier Robert wrote: > > According to Mike Smith: > > > If we do this, I hope a more obvious name is chosen; something like > > > "mailman" might be a start. Or "mailperson", or "postperson", or > > > whatever. "mta" just feels a little obscure. > > > > "smtp", the first proposal is a better idea then. "mailman" (like it is used > > on hub) is more for a human. > > Don't use 'mailman' please. We've already got it assigned across > site for the MailMan mailing list software. :) And here I think it's a trademark of Karl Malone. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 11:39:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA6E15253 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:39:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id LAA14156; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id LAA09518; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:28:56 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn4.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA20445; Fri, 3 Sep 99 11:38:12 PDT Message-Id: <37D01594.A1D40618@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 12:38:12 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Hunt Cc: Warner Losh , Mike Smith , Ollivier Robert , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's References: <199909012256.PAA01514@dingo.cdrom.com> <199909020856.CAA23855@harmony.village.org> <37CF6427.450B9902@softweyr.com> <19990903103957.A71920@wopr.caltech.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Hunt wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 12:01:11AM -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > > > Hah! Try "mcfeely" for obscure and descriptive. Much better than the > > much-maligned "newman" or the out-of-date "cliffy". > > And "mcfeely" has connotations of rapid dispatching of mail, which the > other two certainly do not. Exactly. Speedy Delivery is good. Bar stools and never-emptying mail queues are not. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 14:41:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF6714BF1 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:40:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.3/frmug-2.5/nospam) with UUCP id XAA15568 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 23:40:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 5ABD1870A; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:29:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:29:25 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sun StarOffice51 Message-ID: <19990903212925.A55086@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.95.5i In-Reply-To: ; from Christopher T. Griffiths on Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 02:16:57PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF ctm#5543 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Christopher T. Griffiths: > also, I did notice that the versions of the libs had changed from 6 to 7. If you have a recent CURRENT or STABLE, read on: It seems that we may need to edit one of the library again. See the message to -hackers (<199909011812.OAA29176@misha.cisco.com> by Mikhail Teterin). mv libosl516li.so libosl516li.so.bak sed -e 's,/proc/%u/cmdline,/compat/linux/so,' \ < libosl516li.so.bak > libosl516li.so touch /compat/linux/so (replace 516 by 517). I've not tried it. If you're runningolder versions of both CURRENT and STABLE, then it is just that you don't have the patch to procfs, committed by Marcel: ---------------------------- revision 1.15 date: 1999/08/19 19:41:08; author: marcel; state: Exp; lines: +41 -8 Let processes retrieve their argv through procfs. Revert to the original behaviour in all other cases. Submitted by: Andrew Gordon ---------------------------- -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #73: Sat Jul 31 15:36:05 CEST 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 15:24: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CBA15138 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:23:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id PAA18236; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id PAA19832; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:13:43 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn4.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA04097; Fri, 3 Sep 99 15:23:00 PDT Message-Id: <37D04A44.399444E0@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 16:23:00 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Thorpe Cc: "David E. Cross" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tulip device driver question References: <199909012220.PAA12747@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jason Thorpe wrote: > > On Wed, 01 Sep 1999 15:46:40 -0600 > Wes Peters wrote: > > > Is this a real tulip, or one of the recent clones? Bill Paul has written a > > number of drivers for various near clones of the Tulip, none of which work > > quite like the Tulip (of course). > > > > See, for instance, the al, ax, mx, pn, vr, and wb drivers. ;^) > ^^ > Especially this one.. it's not a Tulip clone :-) Oh? vr(4) disagrees: The VIA Rhine chips use bus master DMA and have a software interface de- signed to resemble that of the DEC 21x4x "tulip" chips. I found the above list by grepping for "-i tulip" in /usr/src/sys/pci. It is still a mystery to me why others don't do that before embarrassing them- selves on a public mailing list... -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 15:29: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF0C15138 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:28:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23275; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:28:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA48171; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:28:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909032228.QAA48171@harmony.village.org> To: Michael Kennett Subject: Re: Crossing building alpha world fails Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 Sep 1999 18:15:10 +0800." <199909031015.SAA37489@laurasia.com.au> References: <199909031015.SAA37489@laurasia.com.au> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 16:28:44 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199909031015.SAA37489@laurasia.com.au> Michael Kennett writes: : TARGET=alpha TARGET_ARCH=alpha MACHINE=alpha MACHINE_ARCH=alpha \ : make buildworld : Is this the correct command to use for building the cross? No. That is not right. Don't put the MACHINE and MACHINE_ARCH in the environment. They must be the HOST machine for early parts of the build. However, even if you didn't do that, you would lose. You cannot cross compile 64 bit targets on 32-bit hosts. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 15:29:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAEE315990 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:29:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id PAA18308; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id PAA19943; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:17:38 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn4.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA04293; Fri, 3 Sep 99 15:26:52 PDT Message-Id: <37D04B2C.9809CBF8@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 16:26:52 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Oscar Bonilla Cc: "Brian W. Buchanan" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UCB removes advertising clause References: <19990903093103.D34503@fisicc-ufm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Oscar Bonilla wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 12:23:38PM -0700, Brian W. Buchanan wrote: > > This is apparently old news, but I don't recall seeing anything about it > > on the lists, and didn't hear about it until it hit Slashdot a short while > > ago. > > > > ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/4bsd/README.Impt.License.Change: > > > > July 22, 1999 > > > > Yeah, McKusick talked about this last usenix, he said he was trying to > convince UCB of how useless this clause was... seems he made it :) > > does that mean we can get rid of the copyright of the University at > boot time? do we want to? No, it would mean Whistle could advertise the InterJet as being based on "BSD" without saying the product contains software created by the University of California and its contributors. Source and binary distributions would still have to maintain the copyright: * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the * documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. Whistle would not even be able to mention that said BSD code came from UCB without prior permission: * 4. Neither the name of the University nor the names of its contributors * may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software * without specific prior written permission. There has been quite a discussion on this issue in both -core and -committers, where it actually has some impact. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 16:17:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from behemoth.lehub.com (behemoth.lehub.com [209.24.238.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 852C715755 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:16:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shibumi@lehub.com) Received: from miranda.lehub.com (miranda.lehub.com [209.24.238.77]) by behemoth.lehub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23300 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:18:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shibumi@lehub.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by miranda.lehub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06350 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:16:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shibumi@lehub.com) Message-Id: <199909032316.QAA06350@miranda.lehub.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.0 04/14/1999 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: APM build problem in -STABLE? Reply-To: shibumi@lehub.com X-Disclaimer: Unless otherwise noted below, this is not a policy statement X-Url: http://www.shockwave.org/~shibumi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 16:16:15 -0700 From: "Kenton A. Hoover" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After a recent makeworld, I needed to build a new kernel. This is what I've been getting after the make: [snip] miranda /sys/compile/TP600 % make cc -c -O -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wuninitialized -Wformat -Wunused -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -DKERNEL -DVM_STACK -include opt_global.h -elf ../../i386/apm/apm.c ../../i386/apm/apm.c:88: field `event_list' has incomplete type ../../i386/apm/apm.c: In function `apm_record_event': ../../i386/apm/apm.c:965: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type ../../i386/apm/apm.c:966: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type ../../i386/apm/apm.c: In function `apmioctl': ../../i386/apm/apm.c:1347: `APMIO_NEXTEVENT' undeclared (first use this function) ../../i386/apm/apm.c:1347: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once ../../i386/apm/apm.c:1347: for each function it appears in.) ../../i386/apm/apm.c:1354: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type ../../i386/apm/apm.c:1358: `APMIO_REJECTLASTREQ' undeclared (first use this function) ../../i386/apm/apm.c:1363: warning: unreachable code at beginning of switch statement *** Error code 1 Stop. Something get mangled somewhere? | Kenton A. Hoover | shibumi@marchordie.org | | Private Citizen | | | San Francisco, California | | |===================== http://www.shockwave.org/~shibumi ====================| | T O D A Y ' S A F F I R M A T I O N | | There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future -- | | all these are just illusions. | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 17:34:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (quackerjack.cc.vt.edu [198.82.160.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B654314CD1 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:34:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02670; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02063; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909040034.UAA02063@sable.cc.vt.edu> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <976.936371894@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 20:34:22 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Sheldon Hearn Subject: Re: Proposal: Add generic username for 3rd-party MTA's Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, Tony Finch Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 03-Sep-99 Sheldon Hearn wrote: > Perhaps the objections were raised because I didn't say I wanted to > sandbox Sendmail. I've looked through my sent mail and I can see that > I > didn't say anything about it in my initial mail. That's unfortunate. If you sandbox sendmail, then it makes sense that sendmail will need a user to be sandboxed in. In that case, adding a new user/group is acceptable. It was the adding a new user/group just for the sake of adding a new user/group that bothered many of us. ;) > Ciao, > Sheldon. --- John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jbaldwin/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jbaldwin/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 18:26: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from fremont.bolingbroke.com (adsl-216-102-90-210.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.102.90.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C14E14D3E for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:25:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@bolingbroke.com) Received: from localhost (ken@localhost) by fremont.bolingbroke.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA54329 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:24:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Bolingbroke To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD 2.2.7 In-Reply-To: <199907201719.KAA05742@apollo.backplane.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there any place someone can download and install FreeBSD 2.2.7? Ken Bolingbroke hackers@bolingbroke.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 18:40:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from luna.lyris.net (luna.shelby.com [207.90.155.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F07415C09 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:40:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kip@lyris.com) Received: from luna.shelby.com by luna.lyris.net (8.9.1b+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id SAA15522; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (luna.shelby.com [207.90.155.6]) by luna.shelby.com with SMTP (MailShield v1.50); Fri, 03 Sep 1999 18:40:08 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:40:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Kip Macy X-Sender: kip@luna To: Doug Rabson Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gdb and source forking In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-SMTP-HELO: luna X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kip@lyris.com X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: dfr@nlsystems.com,hackers@freebsd.org X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: luna.shelby.com [207.90.155.6] Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have not looked closely, but it appears that the changes to bfd to support the solib.c changes have been quite extensive. The diff of the .c files in bfd/ is 7000 lines long. I know that interacting with the FSF can be unenjoyable but gdb compiles and runs fine on all other OSs I have used. So if the solaris and linux crowds can keep the modifications consistent why can't we? Thanks for any insight. -Kip On Fri, 3 Sep 1999, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Fri, 3 Sep 1999, Kip Macy wrote: > > > I have been trying to apply some modifications to gdb but have noticed > > that FreeBSD has basically gone off on its own path with respect to gdb. > > Is there any intention pf getting these changes merged back in to the > > original distribution? It looks like it would be a lot of work. > > I don't think we have gone very far from the gdb-4.18 distribution. We > have made some changes to solib.c to account for some peculiarities in our > ld.so and there may be some other minor changes elsewhere. It would be > some work to break out all our changes so that they can be invidually > submitted to FSF. Assigning all the changes to FSF is about 10x the effort > and I don't have much enthusiasm for it. > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 20:33:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from bantha.org (adsl-117.ntrnet.net [208.241.154.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D4F15220 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:33:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from krinsky@bantha.org) Received: by bantha.org (Postfix, from userid 100) id CACB266B89; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 23:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 23:33:26 -0400 From: David Krinsky To: Soren Schmidt Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Seagate STT8000A (ATAPI/IDE) on FreeBSD? (fwd) Message-ID: <19990903233326.A346@bantha.org> References: <19990903020859.A33016@bantha.org> <199909030647.IAA88473@freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199909030647.IAA88473@freebsd.dk>; from Soren Schmidt on Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 08:47:54AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 08:47:54AM +0200, Soren Schmidt (sos@freebsd.dk) wrote: > > wst_done: wst0: nonrecovered data error > > I've seen this problem LOTS of times when using the old wd based > atapi subsystem. I've never been able to find out why this is > happening exactly. This was part of the reason I started out > on the new ATA driver (only in -current now). I've never had > this problem using the ATA driver, so I'm pretty sure its the > old driver thats at fault, probably some delicate timing prob. > Using the new driver I do routine backups every night on > a couble of servers, not seen a signle problem yet... Thanks for the help, but I'm afraid I may have to burst your bubble. :-/ Upon your advice I cvsupped to today's -current and built an appropriate kernel with the new ATA driver. I now get one of the two following error scenarios (which one is unpredictable, though usually the former): Sep 3 22:25:17 bantha /kernel: atapi_error: TAPE_WRITE - MEDIUM ERROR skey=3 asc=31 ascq=00 error=00 Sep 3 22:25:17 bantha /kernel: atapi_error: REZERO_UNIT/TAPE_REWIND - MEDIUM ERROR skey=3 asc=31 ascq=00 error=00 or Sep 3 22:34:15 bantha /kernel: atapi_error: TAPE_WRITE - timeout error = 00 Sep 3 22:34:15 bantha /kernel: atapi_transfer: bad command phase Sep 3 22:34:15 bantha /kernel: ad0: status=51 error=04 Sep 3 22:34:15 bantha /kernel: ad_interrupt: hard error Sep 3 22:34:32 bantha /kernel: atapi_interrupt: unknown transfer phase 11 Sep 3 22:34:45 bantha /kernel: atapi_error: TAPE_WEOF - timeout error = 00 Sep 3 22:35:15 bantha /kernel: atapi_error: TAPE_WEOF - timeout error = 00 The former simply returns EIO; the latter appears to sleep uninterruptibly on atprq. The apparent inconsistency in which happens when supports the notion that this is, as you say, a subtle timing issue. In an effort to figure out what was going on, I tried compiling atapi-all.c and atapi-tape.c with ATAPI_DEBUG set, but this only caused the kernel to eventually page fault and panic. :-/ Any ideas? I'm quite happy to help debug this one, if you have any thoughts on where to go with it--I need to get backups working, and I'd much rather not have to buy a new tape drive or switch OSes... Dave. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 20:49:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dhs.org (r7a003272aa.hlb.cable.rcn.com [216.164.42.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 88E8215103 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:49:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dknj@zamore.dhs.org) Received: (qmail 91329 invoked from network); 4 Sep 1999 03:47:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zamore.dhs.org) (192.168.1.5) by 192.168.1.1 with SMTP; 4 Sep 1999 03:47:26 -0000 Message-ID: <37D095A3.84AEF588@zamore.dhs.org> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 23:44:35 -0400 From: Kherry Zamore X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Bolingbroke Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 2.2.7 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ken Bolingbroke wrote: > Is there any place someone can download and install FreeBSD 2.2.7? > > Ken Bolingbroke > hackers@bolingbroke.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message You may want to check out: http://www.itworks.com.au/~gavin/FBSDsites.php3?release=2.2.7-RELEASE or check the parent page, http://www.itworks.com.au/~gavin/FBSDsites.php3... -- Kherry Z "Life would be so much easier if we could just look at the source code." "In God we trust... but lock your car doors" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 22:22:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 44BF91508E for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:22:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gyoung@eudoramail.com) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by shared1-mail.whowhere.com; Fri Sep 3 22:21:43 1999 To: www@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 22:21:43 -0700 From: "gang semang man" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: info@fireants.com X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: PLEASE HELP ME IN EAST TIMOR !!!!! X-Sender-Ip: 202.155.28.95 Organization: QUALCOMM Eudora Web-Mail (http://www.eudoramail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 747 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG dear, good evening ! My name is lolo. I'm interesting to your web site. Now, I do hope your help to break foreign account. Please ! I need the ways/ steps, because I need some computer components to develop my education. I come from Indonesia, and perhaps you know that my country in economic crisis. And then, My planning is to destroy Indonesia' ARMY web site (TNI), because Indonesia' ARMY is very bad/ Fuck. I'm stay in east Timor, Indonesia. Please give me the ways about how to buy goods (shooping) by the other man who has bank account or credit card. I'm waiting your information soonly. thanks on your attention. Bye ! Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 22:23:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7175B15136 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:23:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24306; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 23:23:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA63385; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 23:23:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909040523.XAA63385@harmony.village.org> To: David Krinsky Subject: Re: Seagate STT8000A (ATAPI/IDE) on FreeBSD? (fwd) Cc: Soren Schmidt , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 Sep 1999 23:33:26 EDT." <19990903233326.A346@bantha.org> References: <19990903233326.A346@bantha.org> <19990903020859.A33016@bantha.org> <199909030647.IAA88473@freebsd.dk> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 23:23:32 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <19990903233326.A346@bantha.org> David Krinsky writes: : Any ideas? I'm quite happy to help debug this one, if you have any : thoughts on where to go with it--I need to get backups working, and : I'd much rather not have to buy a new tape drive or switch OSes... reboot. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/tape count=1000 bs=24k. Then see if you still have the problem. I've seen errors like the ones you reported, but this fixed it for me. Also, make sure that your drive is good. I had one I had to return because it was bad. Soren said the driver worked, and I could never get it working for me. The replacement worked like a charm. I also had one tape drive that I purchased at a garage sale for $0.50 that didn't have a tape head. That made writes to it fail as well... The other one I got at the garage sale for $0.50 has worked like a charm and it is, I think, a rebadged STT8000. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 22:34: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A95115C03 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:33:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gyoung@eudoramail.com) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by shared1-mail.whowhere.com; Fri Sep 3 22:33:31 1999 To: projects@hackers.com Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 22:33:31 -0700 From: "gang semang man" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: info@fireants.com X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: PLEASE HELP ME IN EAST TIMOR !!!!! X-Sender-Ip: 202.155.28.95 Organization: QUALCOMM Eudora Web-Mail (http://www.eudoramail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 747 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG dear, good evening ! My name is lolo. I'm interesting to your web site. Now, I do hope your help to break foreign account. Please ! I need the ways/ steps, because I need some computer components to develop my education. I come from Indonesia, and perhaps you know that my country in economic crisis. And then, My planning is to destroy Indonesia' ARMY web site (TNI), because Indonesia' ARMY is very bad/ Fuck. I'm stay in east Timor, Indonesia. Please give me the ways about how to buy goods (shooping) by the other man who has bank account or credit card. I'm waiting your information soonly. thanks on your attention. Bye ! Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 23:15:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342FA14FE6 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 23:15:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA64077 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 02:14:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: janus.syracuse.net: green owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 02:14:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian F. Feldman" X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: sockbuf DoS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It probably needs work still, and I'd really appreciate someone helping finish it, but I have a solution. http://www.FreeBSD.org/~green/sbsize.patch -- Brian Fundakowski Feldman / "Any sufficiently advanced bug is \ green@FreeBSD.org | indistinguishable from a feature." | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! \ -- Rich Kulawiec / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 3 23:54: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.scc.nl (node1374.a2000.nl [62.108.19.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C10B15164 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 23:54:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-hackers@scc.nl) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by mail.scc.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17242 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:33:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd-hackers@scc.nl) Received: from GATEWAY by dwarf.hq.scc.nl with netnews for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 08:33:35 +0200 From: Marcel Moolenaar Message-ID: <37D0BD3F.E77940A@scc.nl> Organization: SCC vof Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: , <19990903212925.A55086@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Sun StarOffice51 [PATCH. please test] Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ollivier Robert wrote: > It seems that we may need to edit one of the library again. See the message to > -hackers (<199909011812.OAA29176@misha.cisco.com> by Mikhail Teterin). > > mv libosl516li.so libosl516li.so.bak > sed -e 's,/proc/%u/cmdline,/compat/linux/so,' \ > < libosl516li.so.bak > libosl516li.so > touch /compat/linux/so jdp pointed out to me that the argv patch resulted in a slightly different behaviour than on RH. Can someone who had to do the editing apply the following patch, and test wether it solves the problem or? The patch is for -current, but should apply to -stable as well. Index: procfs_status.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/miscfs/procfs/procfs_status.c,v retrieving revision 1.16 diff -u -r1.16 procfs_status.c --- procfs_status.c 1999/08/28 00:46:56 1.16 +++ procfs_status.c 1999/09/04 06:32:46 @@ -199,6 +199,7 @@ ps += done; bytes_left -= done; } + ps--; } else { ps = psbuf; Thanks, -- Marcel Moolenaar mailto:marcel@scc.nl SCC Internetworking & Databases http://www.scc.nl/ The FreeBSD project mailto:marcel@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 1: 2:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E2D1504A; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 01:02:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id AAA32414; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 00:25:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA44150; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 00:04:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199909032204.AAA44150@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric In-Reply-To: from Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami at "Sep 3, 1999 2:58:46 am" To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 00:04:18 +0200 (CEST) Cc: chris@calldei.com, kpielorz@tdx.co.uk, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami wrote ... > * From: Wilko Bulte > > * As Chris Costello wrote ... > > * > I don't think the local Ports Wraith would be amazingly happy > * > * No. He will turn into a Ports Wrath > > Hey, if you're going to make fun of me, at least CC: me or something > so I know! ;) "The Wrath of Satoshi" (free interpretation of "The Wrath of Khan") 8-) -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 1:18:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (overcee.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD63914EC0 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 01:18:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A431CAA for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 16:17:52 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Sep 1999 21:52:48 +0200." <199909021952.VAA26169@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 16:17:52 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <19990904081752.98A431CAA@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Oliver Fromme wrote: > Nick Sayer wrote in list.freebsd-hackers: > > Linux generates a meric of CPU performance as a byproduct of calibrating > > a delay loop. > > It's not a metric of CPU performance. It's just a meaningless > number, and its relation to the actual performance of the > machine is very questionable. My evil streak makes me want to do something like this under boot -v, but with a twist... Figure out a vague partity with the Linux numbers and then make sure it reports about 3 times higher along with something like this: "This cpu rates XXXXX (meaningless) bogomips.." .. where the reported number is significantly higher than linux would report on the same hardware... That would serve two purposes... one to undermine the ``benchmark'' and the other to tease the various clueless folks with. Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 1:43:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DCC514D0C; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 01:43:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.135]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAB39A9; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:43:35 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA76541; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:25:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:25:25 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami Cc: Jonathan Lemon , jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CFD: "bogomips" CPU performance metric Message-ID: <19990904102525.B76472@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <199909030047.TAA16433@free.pcs> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i In-Reply-To: Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami (asami@freebsd.org) [990903 12:14]: > * From: Jonathan Lemon > > * hw.clockrate: 132 > > * Doing this for Pentium and better systems should be trivial. Doing > * it for 486 and lower would just add a timing loop. Doing it for SMP > * would be harder. > * > * hw.cpu0.clockrate: 233 > * hw.cpu1.clockrate: 233 > * > * Possibly? The implementer gets to pick a better name than these. > >hw.clockrate.cpu0: 233 >hw.clockrate.cpu1: 233 > >(cpu0 only for uni-procs, of course). This sounds like a good solution. I don't know why we can't detect speed on SMP boxes and I doubt the code will make things clear to me [seeing my third rank coding abilities]. But we could probe the first CPU, get it's clockspeed and since it's SMP be certain that all other CPU's would have the same speed. This might not be the cleanest solution should AMP type systems ever surface. [If they ever] Else, anyone care to detail exactly why we can't detect it? cheers, -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best Knowledge comes, but wisdom lingers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 2:10:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084C214F44 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 02:10:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA77872; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:10:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:10:27 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Kip Macy Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gdb and source forking In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 3 Sep 1999, Kip Macy wrote: > I have not looked closely, but it appears that the changes to bfd to > support the solib.c changes have been quite extensive. The diff of the > .c files in bfd/ is 7000 lines long. > > I know that interacting with the FSF can be unenjoyable but gdb compiles > and runs fine on all other OSs I have used. So if the solaris and linux > crowds can keep the modifications consistent why can't we? > Thanks for any insight. We have have not made any significant changes to bfd. We are using binutils-2.9.1 in our tree since 2.9.2 has not been released (gdb-4.18 was based on a snapshot of 2.9.2). The linux folks often just bundle patches with the gdb sources which is not much different from us importing FSF sources into our CVS tree. We can generate diffs from the virgin FSF sources very easily. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 2:17:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from chuggalug.clues.com (chuggalug.clues.com [194.217.82.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C233150E5 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 02:17:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geoffb@chuggalug.clues.com) Received: (from geoffb@localhost) by chuggalug.clues.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA90549; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:56:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from geoffb) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:56:47 +0100 From: Geoff Buckingham To: Jaye Mathisen Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: systat -- "The alternate system clock has died"... Message-ID: <19990903085647.A90511@chuggalug.clues.com> Reply-To: geoffb@uk.freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Jaye Mathisen on Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 01:43:32AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 01:43:32AM -0700, Jaye Mathisen wrote: > > Hmph. Fired up systat on a recently supped 3.2-stable box (aug 30). > Typed :vm, and the screen cleared, it drew the labels, then sat there for > a few seconds, then said: > > "The alternate system clock has died, reverting to pigs display". > > However, that display shows no useful info either. :netstat works, > :iostat works :icmp works, but pigs and :vmstat are no shows. > > Anybody else seeing this? Or is it make world time again...? > > It works fine on a box supped in july and Aug 24th... > > It's an ASUS P2B-DS MB. (The july box and this box, are both dual CPU, > the August 24th box is a single processor.) > > Is this an SMP box? Possible with an ASUS board? If so it will probably work with a non SMP kernel. If all of the above is true try searching the lists for that error message and SMP and ASUS or combinations there of for solutions the cleanest allthough I have never tried it seemed to be to flash the BIOS to a pre Y2K fix version (You are probably better of trusting the archives than my memory as to which version this was) -- GeoffB > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 6:14: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [194.77.0.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC1414DDD for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 06:13:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: from klemm.gtn.com (pppak04.gtn.com [194.231.123.169]) by picalon.gun.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28097; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 15:13:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA80180; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 15:13:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 15:13:22 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: Ollivier Robert Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sun StarOffice51 Message-ID: <19990904151322.A79929@titan.klemm.gtn.com> References: <19990903212925.A55086@keltia.freenix.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <19990903212925.A55086@keltia.freenix.fr>; from Ollivier Robert on Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 09:29:25PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE SMP X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 09:29:25PM +0200, Ollivier Robert wrote: > According to Christopher T. Griffiths: > > also, I did notice that the versions of the libs had changed from 6 to 7. > > If you have a recent CURRENT or STABLE, read on: > > It seems that we may need to edit one of the library again. See the message to > -hackers (<199909011812.OAA29176@misha.cisco.com> by Mikhail Teterin). > > mv libosl516li.so libosl516li.so.bak > sed -e 's,/proc/%u/cmdline,/compat/linux/so,' \ > < libosl516li.so.bak > libosl516li.so > touch /compat/linux/so > > (replace 516 by 517). Could somebody please do a port, so that it doesn't take N people's time to get it installed ? Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html powered by Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD Get new songs from our band: http://www.freebsd.org/~andreas/64bits/index.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 9:52:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from bantha.org (adsl-117.ntrnet.net [208.241.154.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E3514DC3 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:52:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from krinsky@bantha.org) Received: by bantha.org (Postfix, from userid 100) id D3C2766B89; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:51:46 -0400 From: David Krinsky To: Warner Losh Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Seagate STT8000A (ATAPI/IDE) on FreeBSD? (fwd) Message-ID: <19990904125146.A353@bantha.org> References: <19990903233326.A346@bantha.org> <19990903020859.A33016@bantha.org> <199909030647.IAA88473@freebsd.dk> <19990903233326.A346@bantha.org> <199909040523.XAA63385@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199909040523.XAA63385@harmony.village.org>; from Warner Losh on Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 11:23:32PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 11:23:32PM -0600, Warner Losh (imp@village.org) wrote: > In message <19990903233326.A346@bantha.org> David Krinsky writes: > : Any ideas? I'm quite happy to help debug this one, if you have any > : thoughts on where to go with it--I need to get backups working, and > : I'd much rather not have to buy a new tape drive or switch OSes... > > reboot. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/tape count=1000 bs=24k. > > Then see if you still have the problem. I've seen errors like the > ones you reported, but this fixed it for me. Yep. Or rather, the dd itself triggers the error. > Also, make sure that your drive is good. I had one I had to return > because it was bad. Soren said the driver worked, and I could never > get it working for me. The replacement worked like a charm. Well, it's brand-new, and I didn't get it at a garage sale. :-) We know it's got a write head; I've succeeded at doing backups and restores of small directory hierarchies, so I kind of doubt it's the drive... Thanks for the suggestion, though. dd is the magic bullet in so many situations, it's always worth a shot. :-) Dave. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 9:55:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dhs.org (r7a003272aa.hlb.cable.rcn.com [216.164.42.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 47614157DF for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:54:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dknj@zamore.dhs.org) Received: (qmail 97429 invoked from network); 4 Sep 1999 16:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zamore.dhs.org) (192.168.1.5) by 192.168.1.1 with SMTP; 4 Sep 1999 16:53:42 -0000 Message-ID: <37D14DEE.62122190@zamore.dhs.org> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 12:50:54 -0400 From: Kherry Zamore X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sun StarOffice51 References: <19990903212925.A55086@keltia.freenix.fr> <19990904151322.A79929@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I installed Sun StarOffice 5.1 on my 4.0-CURRENT machine without any modifications at all.. Downloaded, set the ld library path, installed and started staroffice. I didn't modify _any_ files at all and it runs without a problem as root. I haven't tried playing with it yet so users can run it, but it makes me wonder why everyone else is having so many problems with it. -- Kherry Z "Life would be so much easier if we could just look at the source code." "In God we trust... but lock your car doors" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 10: 8:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288441525B for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:08:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA72349 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:08:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: janus.syracuse.net: green owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:08:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian F. Feldman" X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: sockbuf starvation solution Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I do need help completeing this little project. Basically, the sockbuf starvation problem can be solved by using administrative restrictions on total sockbuf size. So far, I have things almost working. The only problem is that on PF_LOCAL SOCK_STREAMS (or at least that's where it shows up) there is a problewm with the sbsize not being adjusted correctly. I wish it were easier to solve, but I really need help. The problem is the KASSERT() I added to make sure sbsize did not drop below zero (to catch this exact problem.) It gets tripped, and I can't seem to figure out why it drops below zero. I'd really appreciate it if anyone with with the ability to help debug this would. It's up at: http://www.FreeBSD.org/~green/sbsize2.patch -- Brian Fundakowski Feldman / "Any sufficiently advanced bug is \ green@FreeBSD.org | indistinguishable from a feature." | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! \ -- Rich Kulawiec / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 10:33:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9204150E1 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:33:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id TAA09311; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 19:22:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA97578; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:57:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199909041557.RAA97578@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: UCB removes advertising clause In-Reply-To: <19990903093103.D34503@fisicc-ufm.edu> from Oscar Bonilla at "Sep 3, 1999 9:31: 3 am" To: obonilla@fisicc-ufm.edu (Oscar Bonilla) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:57:45 +0200 (CEST) Cc: brian@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Oscar Bonilla wrote ... > On Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 12:23:38PM -0700, Brian W. Buchanan wrote: > > This is apparently old news, but I don't recall seeing anything about it > > on the lists, and didn't hear about it until it hit Slashdot a short while > > ago. > > > > ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/4bsd/README.Impt.License.Change: > > > > July 22, 1999 > > > > Yeah, McKusick talked about this last usenix, he said he was trying to > convince UCB of how useless this clause was... seems he made it :) > > does that mean we can get rid of the copyright of the University at > boot time? do we want to? I'd say we don't want to. Give credit where credit is due, even when there is no lawyer in sight to force you. My NLG 0.02 W/ -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 11: 6:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94C9155E8; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:06:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rene@canyon.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.15.212] (helo=canyon.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 11NKCM-0001hi-00; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 18:05:59 +0000 Received: (from rene@localhost) by canyon.demon.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01156; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 20:05:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rene) From: Rene de Vries Message-Id: <199909041805.UAA01156@canyon.demon.nl> Subject: FBSD3.3RC + UMAX astra 1220S + NCR810 => panic To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 20:05:01 +0200 (CEST) Cc: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Today I bought a Umax 1220S scanner and tried to connect this to my FreeBSD Stable (3.3RC) system. I added a NCR810 specially for the scanner (I don't want such a device on the same bus as my root disk which is on an aic7890). The kernel boots perfectly with both scsi adapters configured (as expected ;-), but as soon as the scanner is connected to the NCR810 the kernel panics. The scanner is the only device on that bus and termination is ok. The message is: "cam_periph_error: scsi status of CHECK COND returned but no sense information is availible. Controller should have returned CAM_AUTOSENSE_FAILED" (line 1441 of cam_periph.c). As far as understand the comments there, this means that the ncr810 driver did something cam did not expect. (This all happens during booting, at the time when the devices are probed.) For now I've connected the scanner to my other PC running W95 where its seems to work as expected. I hope someone can help me finding what the problem is and how to fix it. Thanks, Rene -- Rene de Vries http://www.tcja.nl/~rene; mailto:rene@tcja.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 11:12:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE39315807; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:12:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from localhost (599 bytes) by rip.psg.com via sendmail with P:stdio/R:inet_resolve/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:11:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #1 built 1999-Apr-1) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:11:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Rene de Vries Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FBSD3.3RC + UMAX astra 1220S + NCR810 => panic References: <199909041805.UAA01156@canyon.demon.nl> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Today I bought a Umax 1220S scanner so did i. it did not even work on win95. after rmaing it twice, i told them to keep the piece of and went out and got a better product. randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 11:35:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (freebsd.dk [212.242.42.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 626E81531D for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:34:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.1) id UAA16307; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 20:34:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) From: Soren Schmidt Message-Id: <199909041834.UAA16307@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: Seagate STT8000A (ATAPI/IDE) on FreeBSD? (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19990904125146.A353@bantha.org> from David Krinsky at "Sep 4, 1999 12:51:46 pm" To: krinsky@bantha.org (David Krinsky) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 20:34:15 +0200 (CEST) Cc: imp@village.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It seems David Krinsky wrote: > > > Also, make sure that your drive is good. I had one I had to return > > because it was bad. Soren said the driver worked, and I could never > > get it working for me. The replacement worked like a charm. > > Well, it's brand-new, and I didn't get it at a garage sale. :-) > We know it's got a write head; I've succeeded at doing > backups and restores of small directory hierarchies, so I kind of > doubt it's the drive... What kindof chipset is your motherboard using ?? Are you overclocking ?? If not what is you PCI bus clock ?? I'm pretty sure this is the same problem that haunted me with the old driver, and if I'm not mistaken it is timing related.. -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 12: 7: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ns.skylink.it (ns.skylink.it [194.177.113.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75ECA14C8E for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:07:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hibma@skylink.it) Received: from heidi.plazza.it (va-164.skylink.it [194.185.55.164]) by ns.skylink.it (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01066 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:06:40 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heidi.plazza.it (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00508 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 19:07:07 GMT X-No-Spam: Neither the receipients nor the senders email address(s) are to be used for Unsolicited (Commercial) Email without the explicit written consent of either party; as a per-message fee is incurred for inbound and outbound traffic to the originator. Posted-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 19:07:07 GMT Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:07:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@heidi.plazza.it Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: FreeBSD Hackers mailing list Subject: UHCI / OHCI controller with no interrupt configured Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In many BIOS's today you will have to switch on USB support. The problem is to figure out whether or not this has been done. The irq in any case is something like 0 or 255 / -1. Is this a valid testing method or is there a better way to see whether a PCI card has been configured? Nick -- e-Mail: hibma@skylink.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 12: 7:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D3D15174 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:07:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28399; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:06:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA69975; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:06:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909041906.NAA69975@harmony.village.org> To: David Krinsky Subject: Re: Seagate STT8000A (ATAPI/IDE) on FreeBSD? (fwd) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 04 Sep 1999 12:51:46 EDT." <19990904125146.A353@bantha.org> References: <19990904125146.A353@bantha.org> <19990903233326.A346@bantha.org> <19990903020859.A33016@bantha.org> <199909030647.IAA88473@freebsd.dk> <19990903233326.A346@bantha.org> <199909040523.XAA63385@harmony.village.org> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 13:06:59 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <19990904125146.A353@bantha.org> David Krinsky writes: : Thanks for the suggestion, though. dd is the magic bullet in so many : situations, it's always worth a shot. :-) I don't know if cleaning the tape heads might help. Also, I've had one bad tape that wouldn't ever work, but changing tapes seemed to help. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 12:10:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E63315C69 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:10:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28436; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:10:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA70058; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:10:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909041910.NAA70058@harmony.village.org> To: Soren Schmidt Subject: Re: Seagate STT8000A (ATAPI/IDE) on FreeBSD? (fwd) Cc: krinsky@bantha.org (David Krinsky), freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 04 Sep 1999 20:34:15 +0200." <199909041834.UAA16307@freebsd.dk> References: <199909041834.UAA16307@freebsd.dk> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 13:10:23 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199909041834.UAA16307@freebsd.dk> Soren Schmidt writes: : What kindof chipset is your motherboard using ?? : Are you overclocking ?? If not what is you PCI bus clock ?? : : I'm pretty sure this is the same problem that haunted me with the : old driver, and if I'm not mistaken it is timing related.. Soren's old driver and my STT8000 didn't get along well at all. I was using the PPro Natoma chipset. The new driver just works for me. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 12:13: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ns.skylink.it (ns.skylink.it [194.177.113.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F4A15010 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:12:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hibma@skylink.it) Received: from heidi.plazza.it (va-164.skylink.it [194.185.55.164]) by ns.skylink.it (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02670; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:13:06 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heidi.plazza.it (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00513; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 19:09:41 GMT X-No-Spam: Neither the receipients nor the senders email address(s) are to be used for Unsolicited (Commercial) Email without the explicit written consent of either party; as a per-message fee is incurred for inbound and outbound traffic to the originator. Posted-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 19:09:41 GMT Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:09:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@heidi.plazza.it Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: Wilko Bulte Cc: FreeBSD Hackers mailing list Subject: Re: UCB removes advertising clause In-Reply-To: <199909041557.RAA97578@yedi.iaf.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'd say we don't want to. Give credit where credit is due, even when > there is no lawyer in sight to force you. > > My NLG 0.02 That's 0.01 Euro, love. Nick -- e-Mail: hibma@skylink.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 13:48:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from bantha.org (adsl-117.ntrnet.net [208.241.154.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BDA14C30 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:48:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from krinsky@bantha.org) Received: by bantha.org (Postfix, from userid 100) id CA57F66B89; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 16:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 16:48:01 -0400 From: David Krinsky To: Soren Schmidt Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Seagate STT8000A (ATAPI/IDE) on FreeBSD? (fwd) Message-ID: <19990904164801.A2964@bantha.org> References: <19990904125146.A353@bantha.org> <199909041834.UAA16307@freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199909041834.UAA16307@freebsd.dk>; from Soren Schmidt on Sat, Sep 04, 1999 at 08:34:15PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Sep 04, 1999 at 08:34:15PM +0200, Soren Schmidt (sos@freebsd.dk) wrote: > > What kindof chipset is your motherboard using ?? > Are you overclocking ?? If not what is you PCI bus clock ?? 440BX/AGP. It's an ASUS P2B-S motherboard, with a PIII-450. I'm not overclocking, so I would assume the bus clock is 100MHz. Dave. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 16:16:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8874F1504E for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 16:16:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA46940; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 00:18:09 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 00:18:09 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Nick Hibma Cc: FreeBSD Hackers mailing list Subject: Re: UHCI / OHCI controller with no interrupt configured In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 4 Sep 1999, Nick Hibma wrote: > > In many BIOS's today you will have to switch on USB support. The > problem is to figure out whether or not this has been done. > > The irq in any case is something like 0 or 255 / -1. Is this a valid > testing method or is there a better way to see whether a PCI card has > been configured? The value 255 for intline represents "not configured" or "no interrupt". -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 16:40:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1363F150E1 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 16:40:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29402 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:39:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: (from imp@localhost) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) id RAA00473 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:39:01 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:39:01 -0600 (MDT) From: Warner Losh Message-Id: <199909042339.RAA00473@harmony.village.org> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: dumps before init? Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG How does one enable dumps before init? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 16:53:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9B815232; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 16:53:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA27822; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:52:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Message-Id: <199909042352.RAA27822@panzer.kdm.org> Subject: Re: FBSD3.3RC + UMAX astra 1220S + NCR810 => panic In-Reply-To: <199909041805.UAA01156@canyon.demon.nl> from Rene de Vries at "Sep 4, 1999 08:05:01 pm" To: rene@canyon.demon.nl (Rene de Vries) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:52:47 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rene de Vries wrote... > Hi, > > Today I bought a Umax 1220S scanner and tried to connect this to my FreeBSD > Stable (3.3RC) system. I added a NCR810 specially for the scanner (I don't > want such a device on the same bus as my root disk which is on an aic7890). > The kernel boots perfectly with both scsi adapters configured > (as expected ;-), but as soon as the scanner is connected to the NCR810 > the kernel panics. > The scanner is the only device on that bus and termination is ok. > The message is: "cam_periph_error: scsi status of CHECK COND returned but no > sense information is availible. Controller should have returned > CAM_AUTOSENSE_FAILED" (line 1441 of cam_periph.c). As far as understand the > comments there, this means that the ncr810 driver did something cam did not > expect. (This all happens during booting, at the time when the devices are > probed.) > For now I've connected the scanner to my other PC running W95 where its > seems to work as expected. > I hope someone can help me finding what the problem is and how to fix it. It sounds like there may be a couple of things going on. First, your scanner may not be returning sense information properly. Second, the NCR driver may be doing something wrong. It would be helpful if you could hook this up to your 7890 controller and see what happens. In general, the Adaptec driver behaves a little better than the NCR driver. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 17:28:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from pluto.ipass.net (pluto.ipass.net [198.79.53.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81831532F for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:28:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rhh@ipass.net) Received: from stealth.ipass.net. (ppp-1-27.dialup.rdu.ipass.net [209.170.132.27]) by pluto.ipass.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13704 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 20:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.ipass.net. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id UAA80951 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 20:27:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rhh) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 20:27:15 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: K6 Write Combining & FreeBSD Message-ID: <19990904202715.A80939@ipass.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Does FreeBSD support Write Combining on K6 processors? Randall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 21:24:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from jason.argos.org (a1-3a123.neo.rr.com [24.93.180.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8F01502E for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:24:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@argos.org) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by jason.argos.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA06030 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 00:24:31 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 00:24:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Nowlin To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: "proxy" make installworld Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a couple of diskless -CURRENT machines hosted off another 3.x-C box -- they're "full-featured", but very lightly loaded. I can keep the host updated fairly easily through the standard CVSUP->buildworld->installworld methods, but am having a rough time with the diskless machines... The server is a PII-400, and the diskless boxes are 486/66 & 486/100 -- obviously, I'd like the -400 to do the compiles..... :) I keep running into problems with file flags, missing files, etc. when I try to do an installworld on the diskless machines (with /usr/src and /usr/obj NFS-mounted from the server)... Is there any way that I can tell the server to do an installworld, but give it a different directory than / to "base" the install on? (I want it to use /tftpboot/holly, for example.) I probably could do something with chroot(8), but that introduces other problems with having to duplicate lots of directories. --mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 22:24:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from metriclient-1.uoregon.edu (metriclient-1.uoregon.edu [128.223.172.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D3B15364 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 22:24:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gurney_j@efn.org) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by metriclient-1.uoregon.edu (8.9.1/8.8.7) id WAA13925; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 22:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19990904222342.55512@hydrogen.fircrest.net> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 22:23:42 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Mike Nowlin Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "proxy" make installworld References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: ; from Mike Nowlin on Sun, Sep 05, 1999 at 12:24:31AM -0400 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Nowlin scribbled this message on Sep 5: > I keep running into problems with file flags, missing files, etc. when I > try to do an installworld on the diskless machines (with /usr/src and > /usr/obj NFS-mounted from the server)... hmmm... I've done this before, but it's been over a year... > Is there any way that I can tell the server to do an installworld, but > give it a different directory than / to "base" the install on? (I want it > to use /tftpboot/holly, for example.) I probably could do something with > chroot(8), but that introduces other problems with having to duplicate > lots of directories. make installworld DESTDIR=/tftpboot/holly should do it for you... -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 541 684 8449 Cu Networking P.O. Box 5693, 97405 "The soul contains in itself the event that shall presently befall it. The event is only the actualizing of its thought." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 23: 8:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.abraxis.com (arpa-64210.atl-001.abraxis.com [216.47.64.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F12E153A2 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 23:08:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tracc@abraxis.com) Received: from arpa-66097.atl-001.abraxis.com [216.47.66.97] by mail.abraxis.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A7FBB604CA; Sun, 05 Sep 1999 02:04:43 EST Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 02:11:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Nassar Carnegie X-Sender: tracc@ruff.madvexed.com To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org tracc@abraxis.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 4 23:16:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B850815087 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 23:16:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from [204.68.178.39] (helo=softweyr.com) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11NVbP-0003a1-00; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 00:16:36 -0600 Message-ID: <37D20AC1.2EC5C048@softweyr.com> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 00:16:33 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kherry Zamore Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sun StarOffice51 References: <19990903212925.A55086@keltia.freenix.fr> <19990904151322.A79929@titan.klemm.gtn.com> <37D14DEE.62122190@zamore.dhs.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kherry Zamore wrote: > > I installed Sun StarOffice 5.1 on my 4.0-CURRENT machine without any modifications > at all.. Downloaded, set the ld library path, installed and started staroffice. I > didn't modify _any_ files at all and it runs without a problem as root. I haven't > tried playing with it yet so users can run it, but it makes me wonder why everyone > else is having so many problems with it. Ditto, this morning. I already had the linuxulator loaded. I ran the setup from the CD, installed the app, docked it in Window Maker, and updated my resume in 30 minutes. Worked like a charm. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message