From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 15 9:16:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from pluto.ipass.net (pluto.ipass.net [198.79.53.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E0115137 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 09:16:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rhh@ipass.net) Received: from stealth.ipass.net. (ppp-4-188.dialup.rdu.ipass.net [209.170.134.188]) by pluto.ipass.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06854 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.ipass.net. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id MAA07584 for hardware@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:17:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rhh) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:17:28 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: ASUS P55T2P4 & K6-III-400MHz Message-ID: <19990815121728.A7367@ipass.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As the ASUS P55T2P4 was the recommended Socket 7 motherboard for FreeBSD for so long, I figure this might be of interest to some who have one of these in-use. Last week I upgraded my T2P4 to a K6-III-400. I used a Powerleap PL-K6-III module (www.powerleap.com) to avoid overtaxing the T2P4's voltage regulators (the jury is still out whether the native regulators can handle the load over an extended period). It's been on burn-in for 4 days -- very stable; benches up close to a Celeron 450. If you have a side-mounted CPU (tower case), you might want to read my post to alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus (subject contains "Powerleap"). The Powerleap really needs some ZIFF socket clamps. But aside from that, it works well. CPU-bound tasks like compiling (kernel builds), Ghostscript, image processing (Gimp), Netscape, games, software 3D, etc. much faster. Kernel builds down to 3 minutes. Randall SUMMARY: WinBench99 1.1 WinTune98 CPUMark FPUMark CPUInt CPUFP Mem T2P4 233MMX 12.8 910 494.0 269.8 202.3 P-II 233 18.8 1210 T2P4 K6-III 400 37.7 1340 1076.4 425.6 798.5 Celeron 450/100 36.9 2410 WM 1320.7 526.4 798.6 Randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 15 9:27:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from iai.donetsk.ua (iai.donetsk.ua [212.66.35.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65AB615137 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 09:27:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zeus@iai.donetsk.ua) Received: (from zeus@localhost) by iai.donetsk.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3/Iai/Zeus) id TAA48075 for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:27:18 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:27:18 +0300 From: Zeus V Panchenko To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [Q] ISA SB Creative 32 PnP ? Message-ID: <19990815192718.A48035@iai.donetsk.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Qxx1br4bt0+wmkIi X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD iai.donetsk.ua 3.2-STABLE FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --Qxx1br4bt0+wmkIi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please, reply my anybody who use the ISA sound card: Creative 32 PnP under FreeBSD I have some questions about it: 1. Is it possible to use the card for the aim of IP Phone? 2. Is there any way to make it play MIDI ? 3. Is there way to configure it via sb0 rather that pcm0 ? Hope very much to hear from,if only, anybody :)))))))))))) Thx -- Zeus V. 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If you're a foreign citizen looking for a job in the U.S. or an American hoping to work abroad, Monster's new International Zone can help you land the position you want: http://international.monster.com. --Qxx1br4bt0+wmkIi-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 16 16:57:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D36B152A7 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:57:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id QAA54173 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:57:32 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199908162357.QAA54173@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Recommendations sought for backup server hardware Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We've been running amanda as our backup software for just about a year now. I've been fairly pleased with it, despite the learning curve involved in switching to letting amanda handle the scheduling. However, the machine that had been our backup server is also heavily used for other things. As a consequence, making signifcant changes to its configuration can be excessively disruptive -- and unnecessary disruption is something that I try very hard to avoid. (It comes pretty close to violating my Prime Directive, you might say.) Therefore, I am proposing to set up a completely separate backup server (and move the autoloader to the new backup server). Now, amanda is capable of imposing a fairly heavy load on the I/O subsystem of a box, especially when it's writing multipple dump images to a disk, while readaing one of these, and writing to tape. I am assuming -- but would be happy to be demonstrated wrong -- that SCSI is the only reasonable way to go for this. (The autoloader is wide SCSI alreaday; that's a given. Whether or not that controller gets shared isn't a given... yet.) What I'm wondering, and asking help for, is what sort of components would be appropriate for such a box: it doesn't need to be a particularly fast CPU, as far as that goes, but it needs to push I/O very well... and *very* reliably. Now, amanda's primary load will be as mentioned above: sucking dump images over the (100Base-TX) wire and placing them on the ("holding") disk. As images are completed, they are placed in the "taper" queue; the oldest entry in that queue is in the process of having the dump image in question read (from disk) and written (to tape) by a pair of processes. In addition, amanda will be logging some information, but this data flow is essentially negligible in the grand scheme of things. So, for example, it would seem to me to be feasible to just use a comparatively inexpensive IDE disk as the boot drive, and set up a /var filesystem where amanda can keep her logs & control files. The machine should -- during the backup operation, at least -- need to do very little else, so I'm not too concerned about the usual desktop applications, Web servers, & the like. In order to provide greater bandwidth & decreased latency for the holding disk, I'm tempted to suggest using Gerg Lehey's vinum package -- more spindles generally means faster access. (My current "holding disk" is only 4 GB, and there are definitely times that additional space -- for atotal of at least 6 GB -- would be quite helpful in eliminating a bottleneck. Currently, it's also on a single spindle, which is probably keeping that disk rather busy... especially when the filesystem that occupies the rest of that drive is being backed up.) Another nice thing about (completely) separating the holding disk from everything else is that the space is entirely transient: except during the backup process, it's an empty filesystem, and could then be replaced without disrupting any significant processes. And there's nothing to restore -- (vinum config stuff first and) newfs , and away we go.... For reference, the SCSI controller that I was planning on moving from the existing box to the new one, and which is currently handling (only) the autoloader & DLT drive is: ahc2 rev 1 int a irq 11 on pci0:12:0 ahc2: aic7880 Wide Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16 SCBs As I've mentioned in other notes, I'm pretty much a novice to PC hardware, but I think I have a reasonable understanding of computer system architecture in general, and the nature of this application's load in particular. I would be expecting to run FreeBSD-3.2, either -RELEASE or -STABLE -- at least with this box, I'd have the relative luxury of being able to rebuild the world upon occasion, and re-boot it as long as backups weren't in progress at the time. If I were to choose -STABLE, I expect I'd tend to hang back a couple of weeks from the most recent, in an attempt to be make it more challenging for the box to surprise me. :-} Naturally, I'd prefer to avoid wasting resources; to that end, I'm certain I would not need a CD (or DVD) drive, or a sound-anything (the box will be in the server room, which I visit as seldom as possible). Although I've run Suns from serial ports often enough, I've not had the pleasure of doing this with FreeBSD boxen... but even if there is a video card, it certainly doesn't need anything fancy. I realize it's the custom in the freebsd- lists to respond to the list, but I'm also willing to summarize, if there would be interest in that. (Yeah, I've been around long enough to recall when that was the expectation, if not the norm....) Thanks (in advance), david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 17 9: 3:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from b-ainc.com (cs9360-102.austin.rr.com [24.93.60.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E95514E59 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:03:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jbender@b-ainc.com) Received: (qmail 6872 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 16:03:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jbender) (10.1.1.1) by 10.1.1.9 with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 16:03:56 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990817110426.009bf280@b-ainc.com> X-Sender: jbender@b-ainc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:04:26 -0500 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Jeremy Bender Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ladies and Gentlemen, My company recently acquired a pair of Pentium II Xeon 450's (2mb l2 cache) to upgrade one of our router/email/web server boxes. Yes, I know this is an overkill but yesterday they handed me the processors and said "use these to upgrade the mail server" Does anyone have any experience with the supermicro S2DGE motherboard under FBSD? I don't need onboard scsi, have an Adaptec 2940u2w for that, just looking for a good, relatively inexpensive board that runs well under freebsd. any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Jeremy Bender jbender@b-ainc.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 17 9:16:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9342F1503B for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:16:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA02576; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:15:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Message-Id: <199908171615.KAA02576@panzer.kdm.org> Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990817110426.009bf280@b-ainc.com> from Jeremy Bender at "Aug 17, 1999 11:04:26 am" To: jbender@b-ainc.com (Jeremy Bender) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:15:57 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Kenneth D. Merry" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jeremy Bender wrote... > Ladies and Gentlemen, > > My company recently acquired a pair of Pentium II Xeon 450's (2mb l2 cache) > to upgrade one of our router/email/web server boxes. Yes, I know this is > an overkill but yesterday they handed me the processors and said "use these > to upgrade the mail server" Does anyone have any experience with the > supermicro S2DGE motherboard under FBSD? I don't need onboard scsi, have > an Adaptec 2940u2w for that, just looking for a good, relatively > inexpensive board that runs well under freebsd. any suggestions? I've got a SuperMicro 440GX board in a server here, I think it's a S2DGU. (It's a dual Xeon board with an onboard 7890) It seems to work fine, although it only has one processor on board (400MHz Xeon, 512K cache), so I can't say anything about its SMP performance or behavior. It has 512MB of RAM, FWIW. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 17 9:44:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from c99946-a.spokn1.wa.home.com (c99946-a.spokn1.wa.home.com [24.1.30.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A9915704 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:44:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ted@stargate.org) Received: from localhost (ted@localhost) by c99946-a.spokn1.wa.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25148; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:40:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:40:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "T.D. Brace" X-Sender: ted@c99946-a To: Jeremy Bender Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990817110426.009bf280@b-ainc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm running an S2DGE with a single Xeon 400 512k, 2940u2w, and corsair gx memory. All works well. -Ted On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Jeremy Bender wrote: > Ladies and Gentlemen, > > My company recently acquired a pair of Pentium II Xeon 450's (2mb l2 cache) > to upgrade one of our router/email/web server boxes. Yes, I know this is > an overkill but yesterday they handed me the processors and said "use these > to upgrade the mail server" Does anyone have any experience with the > supermicro S2DGE motherboard under FBSD? I don't need onboard scsi, have > an Adaptec 2940u2w for that, just looking for a good, relatively > inexpensive board that runs well under freebsd. any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance, > > Jeremy Bender > jbender@b-ainc.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 17 10: 4:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from longacre.demon.co.uk (longacre.demon.co.uk [158.152.156.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527691570D for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:03:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from searle@longacre.demon.co.uk) Received: (from searle@localhost) by longacre.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31142; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:03:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from searle) Message-ID: <19990817150349.01494@longacre.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:03:49 +0100 From: Michael Searle To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: home automation hardware Reply-To: searle@longacre.demon.co.uk Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm interested in some of the hardware on the home automation page: http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/HomeAuto/HomeAuto.html Much of this hardware is only mentioned as schematics or PCB artwork though. Is there anywhere I can get the actual hardware from? Yes, I'm one of that minority without facilities to etch my own PCBs :) Michael. -- searle@longacre.demon.co.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 17 11:16:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from high-voltage.com (voltage.high-voltage.com [205.243.158.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF34914BF8 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:16:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from BMCGROARTY@high-voltage.com) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:51 -0600 From: "Brian McGroarty" To: "Michael Searle" , "freebsd-hardware" Subject: RE: home automation hardware Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Check out www.x10.com - or better, go to www.freshmeat.net and search on x10 - there's a special where you can get a lamp unit, serial controller, relay and manual remote control for about $6 (free, just pay shipping). A 'Linux' starters' special. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Searle [mailto:searle@longacre.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 8:03 AM > To: Brian McGroarty; freebsd-hardware > Subject: home automation hardware > > > > I'm interested in some of the hardware on the > home automation page: > http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/HomeAuto/HomeAuto.html > > Much of this hardware is only mentioned as schematics > or PCB artwork though. Is there anywhere I can get > the actual hardware from? Yes, I'm one of that > minority without facilities to etch my own PCBs :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 17 12:12:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from tasam.com (tasam.com [206.161.83.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DD0E156B9 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:12:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from clash@tasam.com) Received: from bug (216-164-231-85.s339.tnt7.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.231.85]) by tasam.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA84169; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:12:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from clash@tasam.com) Message-ID: <009b01bee8e4$5b30b9a0$0286860a@tasam.com> From: "Joe Gleason" To: , References: <19990817150349.01494@longacre.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: home automation hardware Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:09:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We have had great fun with x10 stuff. You can either order it online from x10.com or radioshack. At radioshack, the same line of stuff is called "plug 'n power" or something like that. They are both compatible with each other. The x10 stuff works great with the firecracker interface. Joe Gleason Tasam ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Searle To: Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 10:03 Subject: home automation hardware > I'm interested in some of the hardware on the > home automation page: > http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/HomeAuto/HomeAuto.html > > Much of this hardware is only mentioned as schematics > or PCB artwork though. Is there anywhere I can get > the actual hardware from? Yes, I'm one of that > minority without facilities to etch my own PCBs :) > > Michael. > > > -- > searle@longacre.demon.co.uk > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 17 12:12:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from tasam.com (tasam.com [206.161.83.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9947915783 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:12:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd.list@bug.tasam.com) Received: from bug (216-164-231-85.s339.tnt7.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.231.85]) by tasam.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA84260; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:12:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from freebsd.list@bug.tasam.com) Message-ID: <009c01bee8e4$623bdb30$0286860a@tasam.com> From: "Joe Gleason" To: , References: <19990817150349.01494@longacre.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: home automation hardware Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:10:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hum...I just noticed your e-mail is .uk I don't know if any of my info was usefull in that case, I'm not sure if x10 makes devices for your power standard. Joe Gleason Tasam > I'm interested in some of the hardware on the > home automation page: > http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/HomeAuto/HomeAuto.html > > Much of this hardware is only mentioned as schematics > or PCB artwork though. Is there anywhere I can get > the actual hardware from? Yes, I'm one of that > minority without facilities to etch my own PCBs :) > > Michael. > > > -- > searle@longacre.demon.co.uk > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 17 16:26:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from longacre.demon.co.uk (longacre.demon.co.uk [158.152.156.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED77315727 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:26:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from searle@longacre.demon.co.uk) Received: (from searle@localhost) by longacre.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08419; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:24:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from searle) Message-ID: <19990818002404.05940@longacre.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:24:04 +0100 From: Michael Searle To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: home automation hardware Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org References: <19990817150349.01494@longacre.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <19990817150349.01494@longacre.demon.co.uk>; from Michael Searle on Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 03:03:49PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 03:03:49PM +0100, Michael Searle wrote: > I'm interested in some of the hardware on the > home automation page: > http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/HomeAuto/HomeAuto.html > > Much of this hardware is only mentioned as schematics > or PCB artwork though. Is there anywhere I can get > the actual hardware from? Yes, I'm one of that > minority without facilities to etch my own PCBs :) > > Michael. > I've got a lot of helpful replies from this... but only about x10 or other power controllers. While I am interested in this also, I really meant the IR controller and other hardware (temperature monitor, POST card, keyboard/console switch), as these seem to be home built hardware and I need to know where to get them from. Michael. -- searle@longacre.demon.co.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 17 20:39: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5135A15627 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:38:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fbsd@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA58390; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:43:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fbsd@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com) Message-Id: <199908180343.VAA58390@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 From: Steve Passe To: Michael Searle Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: home automation hardware In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:24:04 BST." <19990818002404.05940@longacre.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:43:03 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, > On Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 03:03:49PM +0100, Michael Searle wrote: > > I'm interested in some of the hardware on the > > home automation page: > > http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/HomeAuto/HomeAuto.html > > > > Much of this hardware is only mentioned as schematics > > or PCB artwork though. Is there anywhere I can get > > the actual hardware from? Yes, I'm one of that > > minority without facilities to etch my own PCBs :) > > > > Michael. > > > > I've got a lot of helpful replies from this... but > only about x10 or other power controllers. > > While I am interested in this also, I really meant the > IR controller and other hardware (temperature monitor, > POST card, keyboard/console switch), as these seem > to be home built hardware and I need to know where to > get them from. As the guilty party who (doesn't) manage those pages I suppose I should reply! --- x10d: The serplix controller (my funky design) is definately outdated. Although I am still using mine 24/7, I wouldn't recommend that anyone attempt to build one today. The lynx10 might be feasable. The parallel port tw523 would also work. But the proper action would be to use the newer x10 computer interface: cm11a. Its available alone or as part of the x10 activehome kit. IBM also makes a branded version of this kit. The hardware specific module of the x10daemon would have to be ported to support this hardware, but that shouldn't be too hard if you understand c++. --- ird: The ir hardware is also antique, besides being hard to use. I would suggest starting with the crystal semiconductor CDB8130 evaluation kit. This kit include 2 assembled prototype boards built around the CS8130 multi-standard infrared transceiver part. It has a standard serial interface for the computer, and should be MUCH better suited to the job. Down side is that not only will the hardware specific module of the irdaemon need to redone, but the code for "learning" ir data will have to be re-rolled to deal with this new part. On the plus side, this board might also talk with the ir port of your laptops... (no guarantee, I havn't researched it well enough). --- mld (ie temp monitor): The dongle described on the pages is a home brew from a cci article. Dallas now makes a part that provides a standard serial interface that uses byte (nibble?) wide data instead of bit-banging. The dallas part # is DS9097U-09. Again, a port of the hardware module for the mld, but this should be fairly straigh-forward. --- POST card: I know of no commercial substitute for the hardware outlined on the pages. --- keyboard/console switch: The 2 differences between my switch and the many commercial kvm switches available today are: 1: my switch uses serial port control, allowing X11 programs to switch between systems based upon the cursor entering a predifened area (see the pages for details) 2: I don't switch the vga port. My project is fairly labor intensive. If I were to do it today, I would start with a commercial switch and add serial control. One way to do this would combine a keyboard controller and a PIC, control the PIC via a serial port, having it inject the hot-key sequences to the commercial switch that control it. --- final thoughts: most of the code you encounter for these projects is very rough. It started out as a "proof of concept" for the idea of connecting a series of control daemons together. As each daemon was first made to work, we went on to the next. As each was done, things were learned that changed the overall design, but seldom were those lessons ported back to earlier daemons. As a result the overall package is crude and hard to install. But once working it is pretty slick as it gives you integrated control of power, audio/video, temperature, alarm systems, etc. We got a http web version working at one point, a vmrl driver would be most cool! If I had the time I would rewrite this whole thing from scratch, using the knowledge gained on the first version, but who has the time.... -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 19 11:18:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail-smtp.socket.net (mail-smtp.socket.net [216.106.1.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D722515261 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:18:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nathanm@socket.net) Received: from mail.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.1.7]) by mail-smtp.socket.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA31980 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:21:44 -0500 Received: from tcc ([216.106.0.22]) by mail.socket.net ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:00:18 -0600 From: "Nathan Mahon" To: Subject: FreeBSD on a FLASH CARD. Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:15:34 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01BEEA44.EC161B20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BEEA44.EC161B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm wanting to not use linux to install a machine on a 40MB flash card. I've done it with linux before, does anyone know whether or not freebsd can do it? If so, is there a doc on read-only truly minimal installs? 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How about http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ . On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Nathan Mahon wrote: > I'm wanting to not use linux to install a machine on a 40MB flash card. > I've done it with linux before, does anyone know whether or not freebsd can > do it? > If so, is there a doc on read-only truly minimal installs? > > Nathan Mahon > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 19 13:24: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail-smtp.socket.net (mail-smtp.socket.net [216.106.1.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF72E1526A for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:23:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vaevictus@socket.net) Received: from mail.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.1.7]) by mail-smtp.socket.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA11905 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 04:27:28 -0500 Received: from tcc ([216.106.0.22]) by mail.socket.net ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:06:02 -0600 From: "Vaevictus Asmadi" To: "Rick Aliwalas" Cc: Subject: RE: FreeBSD on a FLASH CARD. Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:21:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Perfect. Thank you, very much! :) -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Rick Aliwalas Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 2:29 PM To: Nathan Mahon Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on a FLASH CARD. How about http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ . On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Nathan Mahon wrote: > I'm wanting to not use linux to install a machine on a 40MB flash card. > I've done it with linux before, does anyone know whether or not freebsd can > do it? > If so, is there a doc on read-only truly minimal installs? > > Nathan Mahon > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 20 10:16:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AEE0C1523D; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:16:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA28805; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:18:08 -0400 From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199908201718.NAA28805@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Call for testers, new driver, blah blah blah... To: hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:18:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3095 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a call for testers for a new device driver for yet another PCI fast ethernet controller: the Sundance Technologies ST201. This chipset is currently being used on the D-Link DFE-550TX. The chip on the D-Link is labeled DL10050, but it's actually an ST201. I don't know what other cards use this chip; D-Link contacted me about writing a driver and sent me two sample cards, and do far theirs is the only one that I know of. The driver is set up to recognize the stock Sundance PCI vendor/device ID as well as D-Link's. The Sundance ST201 is a clone of (wait for it) the 3Com 3c90x Etherlink XL series. No, really. Honest and for true. It uses the same DMA descriptor format and operation is very similar to the 3Com cards, although the actual register layout is different. The ST201 also has only a 64-bit multicast hash filtering table where the 3Com cards have a 256-bit table. Also, the ST201 supports only an MII transceiver interface and has no built in BNC/10baseT/AUI ports like the 3Coms. One thing that is a lot like the 3Coms is the fact that packet fragment buffers can be aligned on any byte boundaries, which means that there's no copying required to assure proper payload alignment on the alpha. Performance seems good so far though I haven't really torture tested it yet. Currently, there are drivers for 3.2+ and 4.0 available. You can download them from: http://www.freebsd.org/~wpaul/Sundance/3.0 http://www.freebsd.org/~wpaul/Sundance/4.0 Both versions support FreeBSD/i386 and FreeBSD/alpha and the 4.0 version uses newbus and can be compiled as a loadable module. There's no README yet, so here are some quick instructions: - Download the version of if_ste.c and if_stereg.h for your FreeBSD installation. - Copy if_ste.c and if_stereg.h to /sys/pci - Edit /sys/conf/files and add a line that says: pci/if_ste.c optional ste0 device-driver NOTE: for FreeBSD 4.0, leave out the "device-driver" part. It's no longer needed. - Edit your kernel config file, e.g. /sys/i386/conf/GENERIC and add a line that says: device ste0 - Config and compile a new kernel and boot it. Note that I chose the name "ste" so as not to get it confused with the SCSI tape device "st". I realize we use sa instead of st now, but I'll probably create a driver version for 2.2.x soon, and st is still used there. As usual, report problems or send large bags of cash to wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu. I plan to merge this driver into the -current branch just as soon as I can whip up a man page for it. Share and enjoy! -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ============================================================================= "It is not I who am crazy; it is I who am mad!" - Ren Hoek, "Space Madness" ============================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 20 10:47:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from wave.campus.luth.se (wave.campus.luth.se [130.240.193.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC76315A33; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:47:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pb@wave.campus.luth.se) Received: (from pb@localhost) by wave.campus.luth.se (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA19725; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:49:37 GMT From: PB Message-Id: <199908201949.TAA19725@wave.campus.luth.se> Subject: CN40BC (Cnet series 40 PCMCIA ethernet adapters) To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:49:37 +0000 () Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone had any experience with the CN40 Series PCMCIA ethernet network adapters.. ?, Does it work with FreeBSD, and if so what version? http://www.cnetusa.com/nic/c40bct1.html /Peter pb(a)wave.campus.luth.se To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 20 20:29:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mailz.netnet.com.sg (coloc73-138.singnet.com.sg [165.21.73.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AEE15422 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:29:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gimp@netnet.com.sg) Received: from netnet.com.sg (unverified [165.21.72.125]) by mailz.netnet.com.sg (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:27:34 +0800 From: gimp@netnet.com.sg Reply-To: gimp@netnet.com.sg To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 21 Aug 99 11:24:30 -800 Subject: Hardware Compatibility X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 1.5af, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <37beeede.33.0@netnet.com.sg> X-User-Info: 165.230.4.75 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I will be setting up a server running on FreeBSD 3.2 soon. The server will have the following hardware: 1. Intel 440GX Mainboard with: Intel 82558 Fast Ethernet 10/100 2. Mylex BT958 SCSI host controller 3. DAC960SX SCSI-to-SCSI disk array controller 5 channels 16MB RAM Are there any known problems with these hardware in FreeBSD? If anyone has experience or opinions, please reply. Thanks. By the way, are there any comprehensive documentations on setting up these hardware? eg. Linux's HOWTO archive. Thanks, Kelvin Koh gimp@netnet.com.sg Get your free e-mail(4MB Diskspace) from http://www.netnet.com.sg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 21 2: 1:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from forty-two.egroups.net (teapot.findmail.com [206.16.70.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3381544B for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:01:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@forty-two.egroups.net) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by forty-two.egroups.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) id BAA92587; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:58:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:58:26 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: gimp@netnet.com.sg Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hardware Compatibility Message-ID: <19990821015826.C87145@forty-two.egroups.net> References: <37beeede.33.0@netnet.com.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <37beeede.33.0@netnet.com.sg>; from gimp@netnet.com.sg on Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 11:24:30AM +0000 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 11:24:30AM +0000, gimp@netnet.com.sg wrote: > > I will be setting up a server running on FreeBSD 3.2 soon. The server > will have the following hardware: > > 1. Intel 440GX Mainboard with: > Intel 82558 Fast Ethernet 10/100 > 2. Mylex BT958 SCSI host controller > 3. DAC960SX SCSI-to-SCSI disk array controller 5 channels 16MB RAM I have experience with the L440GX motherboards. They are very fast and have solid integrated components (Intel 82559 ethernet, Adaptec 7896 SCSI). I don't use the SCSI so I've never actually tested it with FreeBSD, although it works great with L***x. I don't know why you're adding a Mylex, unless you've determined for sure that the onboard SCSI doesn't work. The worst thing about these motherboards is their Phoenix BIOS, which is awful. Besides not being very configurable, it has no way to skip the memory check (and with 2GB of RAM, this is a major hassle). http://www.intel.com/design/servers/l440gx/ I've never used the DAC RAID controllers, but I do suggest that you increase the RAM on the controller if appropriate, and definitely be sure that the thing has a battery backup or some other form of protection to ensure that your data stays around if the power doesn't. (This is in addition to a UPS, of course.) Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Failing sardine factory cans employees! mailto:gsutter@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 21 9: 0: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59EF1150BC for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:59:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA35122; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:59:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Message-Id: <199908211559.LAA35122@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Steve Passe Cc: Michael Searle , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: home automation hardware References: <199908180343.VAA58390@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:43:03 MDT." <199908180343.VAA58390@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:59:48 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > x10d: > The serplix controller (my funky design) is definately outdated. > Although I am still using mine 24/7, I wouldn't recommend that anyone attempt > to build one today. The lynx10 might be feasable. The parallel port tw523 > would also work. But the proper action would be to use the newer x10 > computer interface: cm11a. Its available alone or as part of the x10 > activehome kit. IBM also makes a branded version of this kit. The hardware > specific module of the x10daemon would have to be ported to support this > hardware, but that shouldn't be too hard if you understand c++. I'm using the CM11A in my home automation system, with a modified daemon, originally done by Dan Lanciani. It's a TCP server that multiple clients connect to to send or receive X10 powerline events. I think the general concensus is that all X10 power line interfaces suck (at least the 2-way ones). They suck in different ways, sometimes depending on the particular version of the device (e.g., the CM11A). But, it's sorta a crock overall. But very useful, nevertheless. > ird: > The ir hardware is also antique, besides being hard to use. I would > suggest starting with the crystal semiconductor CDB8130 evaluation kit. This > kit include 2 assembled prototype boards built around the CS8130 multi-standard > infrared transceiver part. It has a standard serial interface for the > computer, > and should be MUCH better suited to the job. Down side is that not only will > the hardware specific module of the irdaemon need to redone, but the code > for "learning" ir data will have to be re-rolled to deal with this new part. > On the plus side, this board might also talk with the ir port of your > laptops... (no guarantee, I havn't researched it well enough). I'd dearly love to add something like this to my home automation system, if only to make the home theatre system usable by my wife in other than the "default" configuration.. > mld (ie temp monitor): > The dongle described on the pages is a home brew from a cci article. > Dallas now makes a part that provides a standard serial interface that > uses byte (nibble?) wide data instead of bit-banging. The dallas part # is > DS9097U-09. Again, a port of the hardware module for the mld, but this should > be fairly straigh-forward. I'm using a couple of the Hot Little Therms (http://www.spiderplant.com) which also use the Dallas Semiconductor DS1820 "one-wire" temperature sensors on a multidropped bus. These have the advantage of doing the icky serial line protocol, but are not very flexible. I've started playing with the DS9097U device, but haven't made very much progress due to the HLT solution working OK. There's one other issue with the DS9097U based solution - you really want the device driving the bus to have a "strong pull-up" while doing the conversion, especially if you're commanding all the sensors on the bus to convert simultaneously. The DS9097U is convieniently powered from the serial port, and may not be able to supply as much power to the bus as an externally powered device. This may only be important if you have multiple sensors and hundreds of feet of wire (and associated capacitive load) you're trying to drive. In my system, I gather temperature readings every 4 minutes, and insert them into a MySQL database. This application is a tcl script. Other applications query the database (e.g., web interfaces, and a Tk application running on the console display connected to an VGA/NTSC scan converter and modulator onto channel 16 of the video distribution. ) I also have a X10 macro processor daemon that connects to the X10 daemon and "translates" X10 events. So, a A1-ON from a keypad might be translated to multiple ON commands to turn on multiple lights. Similarlly, the dusk/dawn sensors on the X10 floodlamps are used to turn the porch lights on and off). This daemon is also a tcl script. There's another daemon which listens for caller-id and collects call detail data from a small PBX in our home. It also inserts the data into a MySQL database which various web applications and the aformentioned Tk console application query. This daemon also acts as a network server which other processes can connect to over a TCP connection to get "real time" feeds of the data is it happens. This daemon is all written in tcl too. There's a daemon which is an adaptation of an X10-remote daemon done by Randall Hopper. I wrote a general network-server framework in tcl which can run another process, and distribute it's standard output to multiple TCP connections that it serves up. This same framework is also included in the other tcl based daemons that are network servers. Nothing quite uses this yet, though I'm reworking the Tk console application in [incr tcl] and [incr widgets] to have multiple "pages", and the wireless X10 remote control will likely be used to control that. > final thoughts: > > most of the code you encounter for these projects is very rough. It started > out as a "proof of concept" for the idea of connecting a series of control > daemons together. As each daemon was first made to work, we went on to the > next. As each was done, things were learned that changed the overall design, > but seldom were those lessons ported back to earlier daemons. As a result > the overall package is crude and hard to install. But once working it is > pretty slick as it gives you integrated control of power, audio/video, > temperature, alarm systems, etc. We got a http web version working at one > point, a vmrl driver would be most cool! > > If I had the time I would rewrite this whole thing from scratch, using the > knowledge gained on the first version, but who has the time.... My thoughts exactly! I learned quite a bit during the process of doing all this stuff. The central concepts that I've been building around now are: - do as much as possible in a scripting language (tcl and tk are my preferences) since this isn't a performance limited application. I found I was much more productive in being able to add features and testing with this approach. - build this as a distributed system. Each of the functions in the home automation system put data into a (network accessable) database, and/or communicate with other applications over the network. This lets me trivially run the web interface on a different platform than the home automation controller, and makes testing easy. In general, you can "tap into" the event stream by just connecting to the daemon in question to see what it's doing. I've been trying to convert stuff over to use some libraries and [incr tcl] classes rather than a bunch of unique code in each daemon. I've been surprised at how much rude and ugly serial line stuff I'm able to easily do in tcl, too. What's really missing for me are alternate human interface terminals; I'm hoping the Tk console application on channel 16 and the X10 remote will help some here. But you'd like something simpler than having to turn on the TV to control lights; currently I've got two X10 "mini-controllers" doing that. But I found that I want to avoid using X10 as much as possible because it's very slow and some some degree, unreliable. I'd love to have some small panel on the walls, wired, that look like alarm consoles to do this function. I also want voice mail integrated into this system as well. There may be some changes in the PBX part of the system that will help this along in the future. I want to add more video; in particular, cameras with external and internal views. Coupled with a Bt848 digitizer, you could capture frames on demand or during "interesting" events. I'd like to have some integration with the security system. Currently, this is deliberately isolated. But I think that having an "ARMED/UNARMED" status available would enable some new applications. I also want to suck in all my CDs and MP3 encode them for a jukebox application. I think that 20GB of cheap IDE disk or so would go quite a long way. When the Tcl 8.2 is out and stable, I want to convert all of the TCP server infrastructure to use (probably SSL) encrypted and authenticated TCP connections. Right now, I have to filter those ports at my router so that folks don't turn my lights on and off for me remotely. I want to secure the daemons themselves than rely on external security measures like that. I'm planning on releasing snapshots of this software from time to time. So far, only one other person with some similar hardware has been playing with it and giving me feedback on how to remove configuration information specific to my house from the code. Most all of that stuff is supposed to be isolated in one place. I'm in the middle of breaking some of it right now, and once it's all stable again, I'll tar it up an put it some place. FYI, the main home automation stuff is running what was -current as of last February or so; probably pretty close to 3.2-RELEASE now. Up time is of course limited by external events.. louie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 21 9:36:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from richard2.pil.net (richard2.pil.net [207.8.164.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B75414F3F for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 09:36:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from up@pil.net) Received: (qmail 12638 invoked by uid 1825); 21 Aug 1999 16:36:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:36:23 -0400 (EDT) From: X-Sender: up@richard2.pil.net To: Gregory Sutter Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hardware Compatibility In-Reply-To: <19990821015826.C87145@forty-two.egroups.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 21 Aug 1999, Gregory Sutter wrote: > On Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 11:24:30AM +0000, gimp@netnet.com.sg wrote: > > > > I will be setting up a server running on FreeBSD 3.2 soon. The server > > will have the following hardware: > > > > 1. Intel 440GX Mainboard with: > > Intel 82558 Fast Ethernet 10/100 > > 2. Mylex BT958 SCSI host controller > > 3. DAC960SX SCSI-to-SCSI disk array controller 5 channels 16MB RAM > > I have experience with the L440GX motherboards. They are very fast > and have solid integrated components (Intel 82559 ethernet, Adaptec > 7896 SCSI). I don't use the SCSI so I've never actually tested it with > FreeBSD, although it works great with L***x. I don't know why you're > adding a Mylex, unless you've determined for sure that the onboard SCSI > doesn't work. I use this board, including the AIC-7896 on-board SCSI with FreeBSD and it works fine. It's just a shame there's no driver for the Adaptec add-on RAIDport board. > The worst thing about these motherboards is their Phoenix BIOS, which is > awful. Besides not being very configurable, it has no way to skip the > memory check (and with 2GB of RAM, this is a major hassle). Yes! Even with only 256MB it's rather a drag. OTOH, it's nice to be able to configure the BIOS to redirect the console out to serial I/O ports. > http://www.intel.com/design/servers/l440gx/ > > I've never used the DAC RAID controllers, but I do suggest that you > increase the RAM on the controller if appropriate, and definitely > be sure that the thing has a battery backup or some other form of > protection to ensure that your data stays around if the power doesn't. > (This is in addition to a UPS, of course.) Hmmm...the only hardware RAID drivers for FreeBSD I've seen any mention of are for DPT. James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am ========================================================================= ISPF 3 - The Forum for ISPs by ISPs(tm) || Nov 15-17, 1999, New Orleans 3 days of clues, news, and views from the industry's best and brightest. Visit for information and registration. ========================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 21 10: 2:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from forty-two.egroups.net (teapot.findmail.com [206.16.70.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3160514F64 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:02:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@forty-two.egroups.net) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by forty-two.egroups.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA97425; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:02:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:02:25 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: up@3.am Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hardware Compatibility Message-ID: <19990821100225.F87145@forty-two.egroups.net> References: <19990821015826.C87145@forty-two.egroups.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from up@3.am on Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 12:36:23PM -0400 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 12:36:23PM -0400, up@3.am wrote: > On Sat, 21 Aug 1999, Gregory Sutter wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 11:24:30AM +0000, gimp@netnet.com.sg wrote: > > > > > > I will be setting up a server running on FreeBSD 3.2 soon. The server > > > will have the following hardware: > > > > > > 1. Intel 440GX Mainboard with: > > > Intel 82558 Fast Ethernet 10/100 > > > 2. Mylex BT958 SCSI host controller > > > 3. DAC960SX SCSI-to-SCSI disk array controller 5 channels 16MB RAM > > > > I have experience with the L440GX motherboards. They are very fast > > and have solid integrated components (Intel 82559 ethernet, Adaptec > > 7896 SCSI). I don't use the SCSI so I've never actually tested it with > > FreeBSD, although it works great with L***x. I don't know why you're > > adding a Mylex, unless you've determined for sure that the onboard SCSI > > doesn't work. > > I use this board, including the AIC-7896 on-board SCSI with FreeBSD and it > works fine. Great! Now the only need is for Microid Research to get off their butts and make an MR BIOS for this board. :) > Hmmm...the only hardware RAID drivers for FreeBSD I've seen any mention of > are for DPT. With SCSI<-->SCSI RAID controllers, you don't need drivers. The RAID controller just sits on the SCSI bus and does its work. Typically it appears to the OS as just one big disk, although that is of course configurable based on the number of volumes that are configured in the RAID. I've had good luck with the Infortrend SCSI-SCSI RAID controllers, which are less expensive than most. Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter If ignorance is bliss, you must be orgasmic. mailto:gsutter@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message