From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Jan 11 06:50:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA11520 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 06:50:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from atena.eurocontrol.fr (atena.uneec.eurocontrol.fr [147.196.69.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA11512 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 06:50:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@eurocontrol.fr) Received: from caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr (caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr [147.196.30.193]) by atena.eurocontrol.fr (8.9.1/8.9.1/atena-1.1/nospam) with ESMTP id PAA31580 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:50:13 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from roberto@caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr) Received: by caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr (Postfix, from userid 1193) id 21949116; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:50:13 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:50:13 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: VAIO 505F vs Toshiba 3015CT Message-ID: <19990111155013.O49737@caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm planning to buy either a Sony VAIO 505F or a Toshiba 3010/3015CT (or a subnotebook with equivalent performances/size/weight, if you have suggestions please do). Has anyone opinion about either of these ? I've seen people using the 505G model in the laptop survey from PAO so I guess the 505F would work. I think some of the KAME people have VAIO notebooks too. My questions are pretty basic: - do I need PAO or is CURRENT enough ? - does the hibernation feature work (saving mem on disk) ? - what are the pros/cons of each brand ? - what are differences between the 3010 and 3015CT (WWW site is not very informative) ? - what are the differences between 505F & 505G (the Sony site is not that precise either) ? - what are the different prices around ? - can I install without a CD-ROM (by FTP/NFS) ? - what about Cardbus / PCMCIA support in FreeBSD ? Sony lists the 505F at around 1700US$ and Toshiba the 3015CT at 1800US$. The Sony 505G seem to be more expensive (why?). I'm not really interested in having a PII CPU, I think a regular pentium is enough for me but I want at least 4 GB/64 MB. Please Cc: me any answers as this address is not subscribed to the list. Thanks. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- Eurocontrol EEC/TS -=- Ollivier.Robert@eurocontrol.fr The Postman hits! The Postman hits! You have new mail. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Jan 11 08:13:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA24147 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:13:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from basil.stthom.edu ([209.184.165.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA24142 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:13:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcjoseph@wt.net) Received: from wt.net (b737.coair.COM [208.229.128.20]) by basil.stthom.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id IAA08746; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:16:21 -0800 Message-ID: <369A2371.19BE5152@wt.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:14:41 -0600 From: Jimbo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ollivier Robert , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VAIO 505F vs Toshiba 3015CT References: <19990111155013.O49737@caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a sony notebook. It has worked great. i use XFree86 3.3.3 and the neomagic support suffices. > > - do I need PAO or is CURRENT enough ? Use -stable(2.2.8) the scsi card that Sony uses is an adaptec one which isn't supported in -current yet. > - does the hibernation feature work (saving mem on disk) ? I haven't tried that. > - what are the differences between 505F & 505G (the Sony site is not that > precise either) ? I don't know-maybe a marketing thing, got to have something new for people to buy. > - what are the different prices around ? Vaiodirect has the 505F listed for $1699. > - can I install without a CD-ROM (by FTP/NFS) ? I installed the base operating system via the built in modem (left it on all night) and installed the rest via the PCMCIA network card that I had. > - what about Cardbus / PCMCIA support in FreeBSD ? Compile the laptop kernel, and add sound support. I was able to use my Linksys ethernet card afterwards > Sony lists the 505F at around 1700US$ and Toshiba the 3015CT at > 1800US$. The Sony 505G seem to be more expensive (why?). It looks cool :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Jan 11 10:03:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA05454 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:03:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05437 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:02:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bryan@fsel.com) Received: from [158.152.23.172] (helo=deimos.fsel.com) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zzlfQ-0007aq-00; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:02:20 +0000 Received: from phobos.fsel.com (bryan@phobos.fsel.com [192.9.200.120]) by deimos.fsel.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA00346; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:56:51 GMT From: Bryan Scattergood Received: (from bryan@localhost) by phobos.fsel.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA25188; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:56:50 GMT Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:56:50 GMT Message-Id: <199901111756.RAA25188@phobos.fsel.com> To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG CC: roberto@eurocontrol.fr, bryan@fsel.com In-reply-to: <19990111155013.O49737@caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr> (message from Ollivier Robert on Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:50:13 +0100) Subject: Re: VAIO 505F vs Toshiba 3015CT Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm planning to buy either a Sony VAIO 505F or a Toshiba 3010/3015CT (or a > subnotebook with equivalent performances/size/weight, if you have > suggestions please do). We went looking for something similar just before Christmas. It was a rush job because someone suddenly decided to try and work during the holidays. We came down to the same two models (we also looked briefly at the corresponding Sharp subnote.) We ended up with the VAIO 505-FX/LT, mostly because we could get a slightly better price on that. (The LT and KT are the same unit, but the latter ships with the external CD and a modem.) > My questions are pretty basic: > > - do I need PAO or is CURRENT enough ? We installed from CD and tried both 2.2.7PAO and 3.0. We had better luck getting a PCMCIA network card working under the former, so we went with that. (3.0 could see a 3com589 using the zp driver for install, but that stopped when we tried enabling PCCARD support in the 3.0 kernel. We gave up and used 2.2.7.) > - does the hibernation feature work (saving mem on disk) ? The user reports no problems with either that or suspend to RAM. Some screen corruption, but I probably just need to tweak a PAO option for that. > - what are the pros/cons of each brand ? One difference is that the 301x uses an Accupoint while the VAIO has a trackpad. If you have strong feelings about those, that may decide the issue. Neither has a PS/2 port without plugging in the expansion bar. The VAIO's NeoMagic chipset caused some trouble with X; we were in a hurry and used AcceleratedX rather than hunting around for XFree86 patches. I'm planning to have another run at that now the 2.2.8 CDs have arrived. > - what are differences between the 3010 and 3015CT The local stores claim that the 3015 is US while the 3010 is a UK model (the 3015 I saw had a US keyboard, and had a built in modem which the 3010 lacked.) > - can I install without a CD-ROM (by FTP/NFS) We managed this just fine, once we'd used Partition Magic to shrink the FAT32 partition. > - what about Cardbus / PCMCIA support in FreeBSD ? AFAIK Cardbus support still isn't present, but the 82365 emulation works for 16bit cards. Bryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Jan 11 11:25:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15551 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:25:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15495 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:24:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org [172.16.0.8]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08867; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:23:49 GMT (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA58927; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:47:50 GMT (envelope-from brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199901111847.SAA58927@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Ollivier Robert cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VAIO 505F vs Toshiba 3015CT In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:50:13 +0100." <19990111155013.O49737@caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:47:50 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm planning to buy either a Sony VAIO 505F or a Toshiba 3010/3015CT (or a > subnotebook with equivalent performances/size/weight, if you have > suggestions please do). > > Has anyone opinion about either of these ? I've seen people using the 505G > model in the laptop survey from PAO so I guess the 505F would work. I think > some of the KAME people have VAIO notebooks too. I have a Sony VAIO 747 - I got it on December 3. On December 16 the inverter board died, resulting in a *very* feint screen (you can only bearly see bright white things). Sony customer services took 3 weeks to get it fixed and refused to replace it. I believe the only reason they got it fixed was that I did the Mastercard / registered letter / termination of contract of sale bit after the second week (I would have done it sooner, but I couldn't send a registered letter over the Christmas period). I was given neither compensation or an apology. For a company the size of Sony, I find this disgusting and would recommend that people don't buy Sony (I certainly never will again). Their products are fine, the way they treat their customers stinks. If anyone wants further details, I'll be glad to provide them. [.....] > -- > Ollivier ROBERT -=- Eurocontrol EEC/TS -=- Ollivier.Robert@eurocontrol.fr > The Postman hits! The Postman hits! You have new mail. -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Jan 11 14:34:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11545 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:34:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11533 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:34:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.1/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id XAA15408 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:32:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 93DBC1583; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:31:01 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:31:01 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VAIO 505F vs Toshiba 3015CT Message-ID: <19990111213101.A83894@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990111155013.O49737@caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr> <369A2371.19BE5152@wt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <369A2371.19BE5152@wt.net>; from Jimbo on Mon, Jan 11, 1999 at 10:14:41AM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT/ELF ctm#4931 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Jimbo: > Use -stable(2.2.8) the scsi card that Sony uses is an adaptec one which > isn't supported in -current yet. Hmmm, if I don't buy the SCSI card then I don't have to take 2.2.8 right ? I really want to run 3.0-CURRENT on it (anything 3.ish in fact) so 2.2-STABLE doesn't really interested me :-) > Vaiodirect has the 505F listed for $1699. Which is reasonable but with only 32 MB. > > 1800US$. The Sony 505G seem to be more expensive (why?). > It looks cool :) And has a 2.1 GB disk drive whereas the 505F has a 4.3 GB one... Weird. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #67: Tue Dec 29 20:24:02 CET 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Jan 11 15:00:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA14552 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:00:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vaio.ispra.webweaving.org ([198.243.60.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14540 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:00:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dirkx@webweaving.org) Received: from webweaving.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vaio.ispra.webweaving.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00756; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:56:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dirkx@webweaving.org) X-MX-Masquarade: Passed MX vaio.ispra.webweaving.org at Vaio / WebWeaving X-No-Spam: Neither the originator(s) address(es) nor the Receipient(s) addresses are to be used for unsolicited commercial email (spam) as a per message fee is incurred for both inbound and outbound traffic Message-ID: <369A8184.137A3AA0@webweaving.org> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:56:04 -0500 From: "Dirk-Willem van Gulik (vaio)" Organization: Web Weaving Consultancy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: nl, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jimbo CC: Ollivier Robert , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VAIO 505F vs Toshiba 3015CT References: <19990111155013.O49737@caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr> <369A2371.19BE5152@wt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jimbo wrote: > I have a sony notebook. It has worked great. i use XFree86 3.3.3 and the > neomagic support suffices. > > > - do I need PAO or is CURRENT enough ? > Use -stable(2.2.8) the scsi card that Sony uses is an adaptec one which > isn't supported in -current yet. > > > - does the hibernation feature work (saving mem on disk) ? > I haven't tried that. > With PAO it does (zzz). > > - what are the differences between 505F & 505G (the Sony site is not that > > precise either) ? > I don't know-maybe a marketing thing, got to have something new for > people to buy. > > > - what are the different prices around ? > Vaiodirect has the 505F listed for $1699. > > > - can I install without a CD-ROM (by FTP/NFS) ? > I installed the base operating system via the built in modem (left it on > all night) and installed the rest via the PCMCIA network card that I > had. > I've done it with a floppy, POA and a PCMCIA ethernet card. see http://www.webweaving.org/vaio for details. > > - what about Cardbus / PCMCIA support in FreeBSD ? > Compile the laptop kernel, and add sound support. I was able to use my > Linksys ethernet card afterwards 3cXXX card, Flash cards, SlimSCSI, etc, the whole range works for me, identical to my old thinkpad. > > > Sony lists the 505F at around 1700US$ and Toshiba the 3015CT at > > 1800US$. The Sony 505G seem to be more expensive (why?). > It looks cool :) Dw To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jan 12 02:49:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA00871 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 02:49:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA00864 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 02:49:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id TAA24726; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:48:17 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <369B1FC3.25E62737@newsguy.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:11:15 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dirk-Willem van Gulik (vaio)" CC: Jimbo , Ollivier Robert , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VAIO 505F vs Toshiba 3015CT References: <19990111155013.O49737@caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr> <369A2371.19BE5152@wt.net> <369A8184.137A3AA0@webweaving.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Dirk-Willem van Gulik (vaio)" wrote: > > > > - does the hibernation feature work (saving mem on disk) ? > > I haven't tried that. > > With PAO it does (zzz). Real hibernation instead of just stand-by mode? How does one allocates the space it will be using in disk? (DOS required, right?) > 3cXXX card, Flash cards, SlimSCSI, etc, the whole range works for me, > identical to my old thinkpad. SlimSCSI... I need a PCMCIA SCSI card for my notebook (meaning I need *another* PCMCIA SCSI card, since the one I'm using is not supported by FreeBSD; I think...). I saw three SCSI cards in pccard.conf, though one was commented out. But this is a little bit in contradiction with CAM's, since it would seem the Adaptec chipset used is not supported by CAM... So... To the point: is SlimSCSI supported on a bare-bones -current? Is there any problems with it (too slow, whatever)? Are there alternatives? Who makes SlimSCSI? (it might be a little bit difficult for me to find it around here...) -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com If you sell your soul to the Devil and all you get is an MCSE from it, you haven't gotten market rate. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jan 12 06:13:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24051 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:13:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from atena.eurocontrol.fr (atena.uneec.eurocontrol.fr [147.196.69.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24044 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:13:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@eurocontrol.fr) Received: from caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr (caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr [147.196.30.193]) by atena.eurocontrol.fr (8.9.1/8.9.1/atena-1.1/nospam) with ESMTP id PAA10386; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:12:29 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from roberto@caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr) Received: by caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr (Postfix, from userid 1193) id 8A35F116; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:12:29 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:12:29 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: "Dirk-Willem van Gulik (vaio)" , Jimbo , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VAIO 505F vs Toshiba 3015CT Message-ID: <19990112151229.G47849@caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr> References: <19990111155013.O49737@caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr> <369A2371.19BE5152@wt.net> <369A8184.137A3AA0@webweaving.org> <369B1FC3.25E62737@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <369B1FC3.25E62737@newsguy.com>; from Daniel C. Sobral on Tue, Jan 12, 1999 at 07:11:15PM +0900 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Daniel C. Sobral: > Real hibernation instead of just stand-by mode? How does one > allocates the space it will be using in disk? (DOS required, right?) You need to have at least RAM + 3 MB free on a DOS partition at the end of the disk I think. That way, you have enough space for hibernation. The Sony 505FX (64 MB / 4.3 GB) is @ 1800 US$ from CompUSA... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- Eurocontrol EEC/TS -=- Ollivier.Robert@eurocontrol.fr The Postman hits! The Postman hits! You have new mail. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jan 12 07:55:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA04944 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:55:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pooh.elsevier.nl (pooh.elsevier.nl [145.36.9.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA04916 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:54:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steveo@iol.ie) Received: from pooh.elsevier.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pooh.elsevier.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA00304; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:53:52 GMT (envelope-from steveo@iol.ie) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <369B1FC3.25E62737@newsguy.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:53:51 -0000 (GMT) From: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Subject: Re: VAIO 505F vs Toshiba 3015CT Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, Ollivier Robert , Jimbo , "Dirk-Willem van Gulik (vaio)" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 12-Jan-99 Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > "Dirk-Willem van Gulik (vaio)" wrote: >> >> > > - does the hibernation feature work (saving mem on disk) ? >> > I haven't tried that. >> >> With PAO it does (zzz). Works fine with 3.0-RELEASE on both of my laptops (both noname specials). > Real hibernation instead of just stand-by mode? How does one > allocates the space it will be using in disk? (DOS required, right?) I just creeated a partitiion with system ID 160 at the end of the disc and more than big enough. This works fine on both of my systems YMMV of course. Otherwise you would need to boot DOS and use the utilities that come with the bios, I found this procedure fraught with problems because these utilities usually assume a DOS partition that they can modify and sometimes LBA translation messes things up. ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Steve O'Hara-Smith Date: 12-Jan-99 Time: 15:49:17 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jan 12 08:38:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09378 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:38:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jli.com (jli.com [199.2.111.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA09371 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:38:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trost@cloud.rain.com) Received: (qmail 18162 invoked by uid 4); 12 Jan 1999 16:37:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 20126 invoked from network); 12 Jan 1999 16:37:08 -0000 Received: from localhost.cloud.rain.com (HELO cloud.rain.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.cloud.rain.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 1999 16:37:08 -0000 To: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, dcs@newsguy.com Subject: Re: VAIO 505F vs Toshiba 3015CT References: <369B1FC3.25E62737@newsguy.com> <19990111155013.O49737@caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr> <369A2371.19BE5152@wt.net> <369A8184.137A3AA0@webweaving.org> In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:11:15 +0900. <369B1FC3.25E62737@newsguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <20122.916159027.1@cloud.rain.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:37:07 -0800 Message-ID: <20123.916159027@cloud.rain.com> From: Bill Trost Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Daniel C. Sobral" writes: So... To the point: is SlimSCSI supported on a bare-bones -current? Unless I missed a message in -current, no. Mr. Batie (Alan?) was supposedly working on the port, but he had some sort of excuse like buying a house and otherwise leading a normal life. (-: Is there any problems with it (too slow, whatever)? I have my laptop running pre-CAM, and the SlimSCSI works fine there. You gotta remember not to eject the card while FreeBSD is up, however. Are there alternatives? Mike Smith was recommending the Jaz Traveller parallel-to-SCSI adapter, but I am really suspicious about the throughput such a device gets. ParaSCSI under DOS gets really rotten throughput, IMHO. Who makes SlimSCSI? (it might be a little bit difficult for me to find it around here...) Adaptec. Be careful, though -- they have introduced a CardBus SCSI card as well, and I doubt it would be elbitapmoc (that is, backwards-compatible). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jan 12 09:02:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA12009 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:02:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hotpoint.dcs.qmw.ac.uk (hotpoint.dcs.qmw.ac.uk [138.37.88.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11989; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:02:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scott@dcs.qmw.ac.uk) Received: from scott@cassiopeia.dcs.qmw.ac.uk [138.37.89.5]; by hotpoint.dcs.qmw.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5/S-4.0) with ESMTP; id RAA05852; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:00:59 GMT Received: (from scott@localhost) by cassiopeia.dcs.qmw.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) id RAA02860; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:00:59 GMT Message-ID: <19990112170059.A2829@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:00:59 +0000 From: Scott Mitchell To: Isidor Kouvelas , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Xircom CreditCard Ethernet References: <199901121156.LAA27054@jaws.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199901121156.LAA27054@jaws.cisco.com>; from Isidor Kouvelas on Tue, Jan 12, 1999 at 11:56:44AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jan 12, 1999 at 11:56:44AM +0000, Isidor Kouvelas wrote: > > Have there been any developments on a driver since the last email messages on > the list? > > Isidor Yes indeed. My driver is (seriously) almost ready to be inflicted on some helpless testers, basically as soon as I get the autonegotiation stuff working and clean up the code somewhat. Unfortunately I have to juggle that with writing the next chapter of my thesis and my teaching commitments -- guess which come first :) If you're really lucky I might have something by the weekend, otherwise sometime next week. Shall I add you to the list o' potential testers? Scott -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID |"If I can't have my coffee, I'm just | 0x54B171B9 | like a dried up piece of roast goat" QMW College, London, UK | 0xAA775B8B | -- J. S. Bach. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jan 12 09:45:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA17172 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:45:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17167 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:45:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA22825; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:45:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA22597; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:45:20 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:45:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199901121745.KAA22597@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Bill Trost Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, dcs@newsguy.com Subject: Re: VAIO 505F vs Toshiba 3015CT In-Reply-To: <20123.916159027@cloud.rain.com> References: <369B1FC3.25E62737@newsguy.com> <19990111155013.O49737@caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr> <369A2371.19BE5152@wt.net> <369A8184.137A3AA0@webweaving.org> <20123.916159027@cloud.rain.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have my laptop running pre-CAM, and the SlimSCSI works fine there. > You gotta remember not to eject the card while FreeBSD is up, however. FWIW, Win95 also locks up often if I eject the card with the SlimSCSI in it as well, so we're doing as well as it is. :) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jan 12 09:53:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA18223 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:53:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18218 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:53:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id CAA06379; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 02:53:15 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <369B8220.14FE3066@newsguy.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 02:10:56 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Trost CC: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VAIO 505F vs Toshiba 3015CT References: <369B1FC3.25E62737@newsguy.com> <19990111155013.O49737@caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr> <369A2371.19BE5152@wt.net> <369A8184.137A3AA0@webweaving.org> <20123.916159027@cloud.rain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Trost wrote: > > Mike Smith was recommending the Jaz Traveller parallel-to-SCSI adapter, > but I am really suspicious about the throughput such a device gets. > ParaSCSI under DOS gets really rotten throughput, IMHO. Was he? To me, he explicitly advised against that. :-) -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com If you sell your soul to the Devil and all you get is an MCSE from it, you haven't gotten market rate. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jan 12 10:56:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25156 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:56:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from java.dpcsys.com (java.dpcsys.com [206.16.184.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25143 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:56:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dpcsys.com) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by java.dpcsys.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA08712; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:55:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:55:51 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Busarow To: Nate Williams cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VAIO 505F vs Toshiba 3015CT In-Reply-To: <199901121745.KAA22597@mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Nate Williams wrote: > > I have my laptop running pre-CAM, and the SlimSCSI works fine there. > > You gotta remember not to eject the card while FreeBSD is up, however. > > FWIW, Win95 also locks up often if I eject the card with the SlimSCSI in > it as well, so we're doing as well as it is. :) Win98 will lockup if you eject an *ethernet* card without doing their equiv of ifconfig down :) Told my partner he was nuts until he showed me, and showed me the help section on downing it first. Dan -- Dan Busarow 949 443 4172 Dana Point Communications, Inc. dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jan 12 11:06:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26578 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:06:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles228.castles.com [208.214.165.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26568 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:06:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04948; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:02:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199901121902.LAA04948@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Daniel C. Sobral" cc: "Dirk-Willem van Gulik (vaio)" , Jimbo , Ollivier Robert , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VAIO 505F vs Toshiba 3015CT In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:11:15 +0900." <369B1FC3.25E62737@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:02:25 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > So... To the point: is SlimSCSI supported on a bare-bones -current? > Is there any problems with it (too slow, whatever)? Are there > alternatives? Who makes SlimSCSI? (it might be a little bit > difficult for me to find it around here...) The only way to get SCSI on a -current laptop is with an Iomega Jaz Traveller. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jan 12 11:28:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28891 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:28:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jli.com (jli.com [199.2.111.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA28886 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:28:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trost@cloud.rain.com) Received: (qmail 20142 invoked by uid 4); 12 Jan 1999 19:28:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 14982 invoked from network); 12 Jan 1999 19:27:47 -0000 Received: from localhost.cloud.rain.com (HELO cloud.rain.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.cloud.rain.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 1999 19:27:47 -0000 To: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VAIO 505F vs Toshiba 3015CT References: In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:55:51 PST. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <14978.916169265.1@cloud.rain.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:27:46 -0800 Message-ID: <14979.916169266@cloud.rain.com> From: Bill Trost Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dan Busarow writes: On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Nate Williams wrote: > > I have my laptop running pre-CAM, and the SlimSCSI works fine > > there. You gotta remember not to eject the card while FreeBSD > > is up, however. > > FWIW, Win95 also locks up often if I eject the card with the > SlimSCSI in it as well, so we're doing as well as it is. :) Just to be clear, I wasn't whining or anything like that -- more like "You gotta remember not to eject the card, dummy." Not that I have ever done such a thing... (-: Win98 will lockup if you eject an *ethernet* card without doing their equiv of ifconfig down :) Told my partner he was nuts until he showed me, and showed me the help section on downing it first. [jaw drops in disbelief] No way! I knew Windows networking was bad, but I didn't know it was getting worse over time! I yank my Linksys (NE2K) card out from under Win95 all the time. Do you have a funky ether card, or am I being more selective of what protocols I install, or is it really that bad?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jan 12 11:55:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02554 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:55:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles228.castles.com [208.214.165.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02549 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:55:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05264; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:51:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199901121951.LAA05264@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Bill Trost cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, dcs@newsguy.com Subject: Re: VAIO 505F vs Toshiba 3015CT In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:37:07 PST." <20123.916159027@cloud.rain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:51:42 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Mike Smith was recommending the Jaz Traveller parallel-to-SCSI adapter, > but I am really suspicious about the throughput such a device gets. > ParaSCSI under DOS gets really rotten throughput, IMHO. I get about 500kB/sec to my Jaz, at 30-40% CPU consumption. I've done "real work" with a CVS repo on a Jaz cart, but it's not something you'd want to use for a system disk. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jan 12 12:07:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04283 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:07:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hoe.isi.edu (hoe.isi.edu [128.9.160.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04278 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:07:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from haoboy@isi.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost.isi.edu [127.0.0.1]) by hoe.isi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24190; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:07:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from haoboy@isi.edu) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:07:15 -0800 (PST) From: Haobo Yu To: Bill Trost cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VAIO 505F vs Toshiba 3015CT In-Reply-To: <14979.916169266@cloud.rain.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Win98 will lockup if you eject an *ethernet* card without doing > their equiv of ifconfig down :) Told my partner he was nuts until he > showed me, and showed me the help section on downing it first. > > [jaw drops in disbelief] > > No way! I knew Windows networking was bad, but I didn't know it was > getting worse over time! I yank my Linksys (NE2K) card out from under > Win95 all the time. Do you have a funky ether card, or am I being more > selective of what protocols I install, or is it really that bad?? We observed similar problems here. We use a 3Com EtherlinkIII with a Gateway Solo 2300. With win95, ejecting the card was fine. But with win98 ejecting the ethernet card without going through control panel often hangs the machine. - Haobo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jan 12 12:13:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04926 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:13:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from java.dpcsys.com (java.dpcsys.com [206.16.184.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04901 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:12:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dpcsys.com) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by java.dpcsys.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA25219; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:12:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:12:27 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Busarow To: Bill Trost cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VAIO 505F vs Toshiba 3015CT In-Reply-To: <14979.916169266@cloud.rain.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Bill Trost wrote: > Dan Busarow writes: > Win98 will lockup if you eject an *ethernet* card without doing > their equiv of ifconfig down :) Told my partner he was nuts until he > showed me, and showed me the help section on downing it first. > > [jaw drops in disbelief] > > No way! I knew Windows networking was bad, but I didn't know it was > getting worse over time! I yank my Linksys (NE2K) card out from under > Win95 all the time. Do you have a funky ether card, or am I being more > selective of what protocols I install, or is it really that bad?? Just on 98, Win95 behaves normally. Only TCP/IP installed and It's a Linksys card. Laptop is a Compaq [mumble] that came with Win98 installed. It's even documented, Start/Help/Index/PC Cards/Removing (course it doesn't say failing to go through the procedure will hang the system, but it does :) Dan -- Dan Busarow 949 443 4172 Dana Point Communications, Inc. dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jan 12 13:33:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14064 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:33:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from PacHell.TelcoSucks.org (PacHell.TelcoSucks.org [207.90.181.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14056 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:33:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by PacHell.TelcoSucks.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA26739 for mobile@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:33:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf) Message-ID: <19990112133331.G10583@TelcoSucks.org> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:33:31 -0800 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Libretto 110ct and XFree Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-19980930-BETA Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone have mode lines for the Libretto ? Or the panning support WinShit offers ? 800x480 would be ok for me. -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jan 12 18:25:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11563 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:25:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from clover.kientzle.com (dnai-207-181-237-25.dialup.dnai.com [207.181.237.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA11540 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:25:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kientzle@acm.org) Received: from acm.org (localhost.kientzle.com [127.0.0.1]) by clover.kientzle.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA00309 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:14:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kientzle@acm.org) Message-ID: <369C0195.2DE70CB3@acm.org> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:14:45 -0800 From: Tim Kientzle Reply-To: kientzle@acm.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: APM power-off code Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------8E5A3E2282734846BA47308E" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8E5A3E2282734846BA47308E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nate suggested I forward this to "mobile@freebsd.org". These are some patches I've used with both 2.2.5 and 2.2.8. They modify the shutdown code to actually turn off power on a system shutdown. I personally use it with my desktop machine; I find it quite convenient to type "shutdown" and walk away knowing that the machine will, in fact, turn itself off when it's done cleaning up. - Tim Kientzle P.S. This is probably not the best approach. It might be better to add a "register_poweroff_func()" function to kern_shutdown, and have the APM code register a power off function if an APM BIOS was found. P.P.S. I don't watch these lists, so email is best: kientzle@acm.org ================================================ --------------8E5A3E2282734846BA47308E Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <36990C19.C68084D1@acm.org> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 12:22:49 -0800 From: Tim Kientzle Reply-To: kientzle@acm.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hosokawa@jp.freebsd.org, nate@freebsd.org Subject: APM power-off code Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nate/Tatsumi, Just installed 2.2.8, and had to go back and re-hack in one local customization. I'd written Nate about this earlier, but got no response. Oh, well. The 'feature' is an addition to the APM code so that APM-equipped machines automatically power down on shut-down. Quite convenient for those of us that actually turn our FreeBSD machines off when we're not using them. I use this with my desktop machine. Here are the diffs: /usr/src-2.2.5/sys/i386/apm [12:11pm]# diff apm.c apm.c-original 217,238d216 < /* Turn off power to entire system */ < void < apm_power_off(void) < { < struct apm_softc *sc = &apm_softc; < u_long eax, ebx, ecx; < < if(!sc) < return; < < eax = (APM_BIOS << 8) | APM_SETPWSTATE; < ebx = PMDV_ALLDEV; < ecx = PMST_OFF; < < if (apm_int(&eax, &ebx, &ecx)) { < printf("Entire system power off failure: errcode = %ld\n", < 0xff & (eax >> 8)); < return; < } < return; < } < /usr/src-2.2.5/sys/kern [12:14pm]# diff -c kern_shutdown.c kern_shutdown.c-original *** kern_shutdown.c Thu Mar 12 13:12:16 1998 --- kern_shutdown.c-original Thu Mar 12 12:47:42 1998 *************** *** 249,257 **** } splhigh(); if (howto & RB_HALT) { - #ifdef APM_POWER_OFF - apm_power_off(); - #endif printf("\n"); printf("The operating system has halted.\n"); printf("Please press any key to reboot.\n\n"); --- 249,254 ---- And, of course, a new config option: APM_POWER_OFF /* Use APM to turn off power on system shutdown */ I made these against 2.2.5 and am getting ready to test them against 2.2.8. - Tim Kientzle (kientzle@acm.org) --------------8E5A3E2282734846BA47308E-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jan 13 11:01:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01037 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:01:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mrelay.jrc.it (mrelay.jrc.it [139.191.1.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01021 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:01:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dirk.vangulik@jrc.it) Received: from jrc.it (elpc51.jrc.it [139.191.71.51]) by mrelay.jrc.it (LMC5692) with ESMTP id QAA26930; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:46:15 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <369CBEAA.F2FCF78C@jrc.it> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:41:30 +0100 From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik Organization: ISIS/STA - Joint Research Center of the European Commission X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {PEN/1.00} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,nl,de,sv MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Busarow CC: Nate Williams , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VAIO 505F vs Toshiba 3015CT References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------03F068B88A8E894829252B0D" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------03F068B88A8E894829252B0D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan Busarow wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Nate Williams wrote: > > > I have my laptop running pre-CAM, and the SlimSCSI works fine there. > > > You gotta remember not to eject the card while FreeBSD is up, however. Actually, if you cut'n'paste, or patch, across the dismount-on-eject code from PAO you can do so safely. > > FWIW, Win95 also locks up often if I eject the card with the SlimSCSI in > > it as well, so we're doing as well as it is. :) > > Win98 will lockup if you eject an *ethernet* card without doing > their equiv of ifconfig down :) Told my partner he was nuts until > he showed me, and showed me the help section on downing it first. > > Dan > -- > Dan Busarow 949 443 4172 > Dana Point Communications, Inc. dan@dpcsys.com > Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message --------------03F068B88A8E894829252B0D Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="Dirk.VanGulik.vcf" Content-Description: Card for Dirk-Willem van Gulik Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Dirk.VanGulik.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit begin:vcard n:van Gulik;Dirk-Willem tel;fax:+39 0332 78 9185 tel;work:+39 0332 78 9549 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://me-www.jrc.it/~dirkx org:Joint Research Center of the European Commission;Software Technology and Applications, Institute for Systems, Informatics and Security version:2.1 email;internet:Dirk.vanGulik@jrc.it title:Mr adr;quoted-printable:;;TP 270 - ISIS/STA=0D=0AJoint Resarch Center;Ispra;VA;21020;Italy x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Dirk-Willem van Gulik end:vcard --------------03F068B88A8E894829252B0D-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jan 13 11:01:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01056 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:01:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mrelay.jrc.it (mrelay.jrc.it [139.191.1.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01033 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:01:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dirk.vangulik@jrc.it) Received: from jrc.it (elpc51.jrc.it [139.191.71.51]) by mrelay.jrc.it (LMC5692) with ESMTP id QAA27195; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:50:38 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <369CBFB1.92E8F99F@jrc.it> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:45:53 +0100 From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik Organization: ISIS/STA - Joint Research Center of the European Commission X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {PEN/1.00} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,nl,de,sv MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Haobo Yu CC: Bill Trost , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VAIO 505F vs Toshiba 3015CT References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F292635AA136219595FC7F46" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F292635AA136219595FC7F46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Haobo Yu wrote: > > > Win98 will lockup if you eject an *ethernet* card without doing > > their equiv of ifconfig down :) Told my partner he was nuts until he > > showed me, and showed me the help section on downing it first. > > > > [jaw drops in disbelief] > > > > No way! I knew Windows networking was bad, but I didn't know it was > > getting worse over time! I yank my Linksys (NE2K) card out from under > > Win95 all the time. Do you have a funky ether card, or am I being more > > selective of what protocols I install, or is it really that bad?? > > We observed similar problems here. We use a 3Com EtherlinkIII with a > Gateway Solo 2300. With win95, ejecting the card was fine. But with win98 > ejecting the ethernet card without going through control panel often hangs > the machine. Same here; on identical hardware; i.e. after upgrade to 98 it will hang on any network changes, such as a card removal or a change (by dhcp) of the IP address to something outside the (previous) netmask. Bootp/BillPC solved this on 95 but on 98 it blue screens. Dw. --------------F292635AA136219595FC7F46 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="Dirk.VanGulik.vcf" Content-Description: Card for Dirk-Willem van Gulik Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Dirk.VanGulik.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit begin:vcard n:van Gulik;Dirk-Willem tel;fax:+39 0332 78 9185 tel;work:+39 0332 78 9549 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://me-www.jrc.it/~dirkx org:Joint Research Center of the European Commission;Software Technology and Applications, Institute for Systems, Informatics and Security version:2.1 email;internet:Dirk.vanGulik@jrc.it title:Mr adr;quoted-printable:;;TP 270 - ISIS/STA=0D=0AJoint Resarch Center;Ispra;VA;21020;Italy x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Dirk-Willem van Gulik end:vcard --------------F292635AA136219595FC7F46-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jan 13 13:50:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA07674 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:50:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sloth.cs.unm.edu (sloth.cs.unm.edu [198.59.151.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07653 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:50:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from colinj@cs.unm.edu) Received: from shiva.cs.unm.edu ([198.59.151.249]) by sloth.cs.unm.edu with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 100YAX-00060U-00; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:49:41 -0700 Received: from localhost (colinj@localhost) by shiva.cs.unm.edu (8.9.0/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17045; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:49:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: shiva.cs.unm.edu: colinj owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:49:36 -0700 (MST) From: Colin Eric Johnson To: Tim Kientzle cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: APM power-off code In-Reply-To: <369C0195.2DE70CB3@acm.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Tim Kientzle wrote: > Nate suggested I forward this to "mobile@freebsd.org". > These are some patches I've used with both 2.2.5 and 2.2.8. > They modify the shutdown code to actually turn off > power on a system shutdown. I personally use it > with my desktop machine; I find it quite convenient > to type "shutdown" and walk away knowing that the > machine will, in fact, turn itself off when it's > done cleaning up. > > - Tim Kientzle > > P.S. This is probably not the best approach. It > might be better to add a "register_poweroff_func()" > function to kern_shutdown, and have the APM code > register a power off function if an APM BIOS was > found. > > P.P.S. I don't watch these lists, so email is > best: kientzle@acm.org Any chance this might get folded into the next release of FreeBSD (like 3.1)? Colin E. Johnson | colinj@unm.edu | http://www.unm.edu/~colinj/ "Accordions don't play Lady of Spain -- People Do!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jan 13 14:20:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11718 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:20:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11708 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:20:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01544; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:14:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199901132214.OAA01544@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Colin Eric Johnson cc: Tim Kientzle , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: APM power-off code In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:49:36 MST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:14:17 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Tim Kientzle wrote: > > > Nate suggested I forward this to "mobile@freebsd.org". > > These are some patches I've used with both 2.2.5 and 2.2.8. > > They modify the shutdown code to actually turn off > > power on a system shutdown. I personally use it > > with my desktop machine; I find it quite convenient > > to type "shutdown" and walk away knowing that the > > machine will, in fact, turn itself off when it's > > done cleaning up. > > > > - Tim Kientzle > > > > P.S. This is probably not the best approach. It > > might be better to add a "register_poweroff_func()" > > function to kern_shutdown, and have the APM code > > register a power off function if an APM BIOS was > > found. > > > > P.P.S. I don't watch these lists, so email is > > best: kientzle@acm.org > > Any chance this might get folded into the next release of FreeBSD (like > 3.1)? Sort of like "shutdown -p"? 8) We've been powering off on halt for a long time now. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jan 13 14:26:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12489 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:26:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sirius.aero.und.edu (sirius.aero.und.edu [134.129.223.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12477 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:26:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rand@aero.und.edu) Received: from dev-null.aero.und.edu (IDENT:rand@dev-null [134.129.214.74]) by sirius.aero.und.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA09177; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:25:13 -0600 (CST) Received: (from rand@localhost) by dev-null.aero.und.edu (8.9.1/8.9.0) id QAA16644; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:25:13 -0600 From: "Douglas K. Rand" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <13981.7496.997589.210295@dev-null.aero.und.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:25:12 -0600 (CST) To: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: kientzle@acm.org Subject: Re: APM power-off code In-Reply-To: <369C0195.2DE70CB3@acm.org> References: <369C0195.2DE70CB3@acm.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.47 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid X-Face: $L%T~#'9fAQ])o]A][d7EH`V;"_;2K;TEPQB=v]rDf_2s% Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26737 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:15:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sloth.cs.unm.edu (sloth.cs.unm.edu [198.59.151.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26729 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:15:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from colinj@cs.unm.edu) Received: from shiva.cs.unm.edu ([198.59.151.249]) by sloth.cs.unm.edu with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 100aQr-0006z3-00; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:14:41 -0700 Received: from localhost (colinj@localhost) by shiva.cs.unm.edu (8.9.0/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17179; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:14:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: shiva.cs.unm.edu: colinj owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:14:34 -0700 (MST) From: Colin Eric Johnson To: Mike Smith cc: Tim Kientzle , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: APM power-off code In-Reply-To: <199901132214.OAA01544@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > > Any chance this might get folded into the next release of FreeBSD (like > > 3.1)? > > Sort of like "shutdown -p"? 8) We've been powering off on halt for a > long time now. I just checked the man page for 2.2.8-RELEASE and it doesn't list a -p flag for shutdown. Is this just the PAO version or has it been rolled into the mainstream FreeBSD code? Colin E. Johnson | colinj@unm.edu | http://www.unm.edu/~colinj/ ``The most fruitful developments have always emerged where two different kinds of thinking met'' -- Heisenberg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jan 13 16:40:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29765 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:40:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA29755 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:40:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 100aoV-0003S5-00; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:39:07 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA02498; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:37:48 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199901140037.RAA02498@harmony.village.org> To: "Douglas K. Rand" Subject: Re: APM power-off code Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, kientzle@acm.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:25:12 CST." <13981.7496.997589.210295@dev-null.aero.und.edu> References: <13981.7496.997589.210295@dev-null.aero.und.edu> <369C0195.2DE70CB3@acm.org> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:37:47 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <13981.7496.997589.210295@dev-null.aero.und.edu> "Douglas K. Rand" writes: : Has anybody ever seen the opposite of Tim's code? That is to the : equivalent of a /sbin/halt when the power button is pressed? We have a : lab of systems and often people just hit the dang power button. It'd : be nice that if they do such stupid things the system just does a : fairly graceful (but quick) halt and poweroff. Right now that would be kinda hard to do. The reason it would be hard is that you get a power down request and the kernel immediately tells the bios to do its thing. There is no way to migrate this into userland as there is no apm daemon. It wouldn't be too hard to catch the user requested shutdown event and do a system halt, if we're not already doing that. Hmmm, looking at the APM events that the apm driver understands it would appear that there isn't one for user requested power off. I have APM debugging enabled on my libretto. When I pressed the power button, the machine turned off. No messages were reported. And the machine didn't dismount the disk.... There may be a bios setting that will control this, but I've not seen it. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jan 13 19:40:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09342 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:40:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09329 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:40:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03147; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:34:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199901140334.TAA03147@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Colin Eric Johnson cc: Mike Smith , Tim Kientzle , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: APM power-off code In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:14:34 MST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:34:25 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > Any chance this might get folded into the next release of FreeBSD (like > > > 3.1)? > > > > Sort of like "shutdown -p"? 8) We've been powering off on halt for a > > long time now. > > I just checked the man page for 2.2.8-RELEASE and it doesn't list a -p > flag for shutdown. Is this just the PAO version or has it been rolled into > the mainstream FreeBSD code? It's original code in 3.0; in 2.2.8 if APM is active, 'halt' should power off. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jan 13 21:19:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA18052 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:19:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sloth.cs.unm.edu (sloth.cs.unm.edu [198.59.151.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA18047 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:19:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from colinj@cs.unm.edu) Received: from shiva.cs.unm.edu ([198.59.151.249]) by sloth.cs.unm.edu with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 100fAU-0000Te-00; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:18:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (colinj@localhost) by shiva.cs.unm.edu (8.9.0/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA17401; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:17:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: shiva.cs.unm.edu: colinj owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:17:58 -0700 (MST) From: Colin Eric Johnson To: Mike Smith cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: APM power-off code In-Reply-To: <199901140334.TAA03147@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > > On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > > Any chance this might get folded into the next release of FreeBSD (like > > > > 3.1)? > > > > > > Sort of like "shutdown -p"? 8) We've been powering off on halt for a > > > long time now. > > > > I just checked the man page for 2.2.8-RELEASE and it doesn't list a -p > > flag for shutdown. Is this just the PAO version or has it been rolled into > > the mainstream FreeBSD code? > > It's original code in 3.0; in 2.2.8 if APM is active, 'halt' should > power off. I did just check the halt/reboot man page and it did say that it should shut the power off where possible. I'm not getting that behavior on my Lattitude. I have the following line in my kernel config device apm0 at isa? # Advanced Power Management and I can get the suspend/resume functions to work just fine. If, however, I use halt I get "press any key to reboot." p.s. where is the "any" key anyway ;-) Colin E. Johnson | colinj@unm.edu | http://www.unm.edu/~colinj/ ``...what you really wanted to ask was if the Universe is indeed ludicrous. But that is a question each must answer for himself.'' -Stanislaw Lem "King Globare and the Sages" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jan 13 22:05:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA23281 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:05:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA23276 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:05:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03838; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:59:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199901140559.VAA03838@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Colin Eric Johnson cc: Mike Smith , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: APM power-off code In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:17:58 MST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:59:32 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I did just check the halt/reboot man page and it did say that it should > shut the power off where possible. I'm not getting that behavior on my > Lattitude. I have the following line in my kernel config > > device apm0 at isa? # Advanced Power Management > > and I can get the suspend/resume functions to work just fine. If, however, > I use halt I get "press any key to reboot." Do you have APM enabled? Check /etc/rc.conf and the output of 'apm'. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Jan 14 03:23:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA23983 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 03:23:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from arthur.axion.bt.co.uk (arthur.axion.bt.co.uk [132.146.5.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA23978 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 03:23:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from caroline.beauchamps@bt-sys.bt.co.uk) Received: from rambo (actually rambo.futures.bt.co.uk) by arthur (local) with SMTP; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:21:13 +0000 Received: from mussel.futures.bt.co.uk (actually mussel) by rambo with SMTP (PP); Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:25:17 +0000 Received: by mussel.futures.bt.co.uk with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BE3FAF.35C56C30@mussel.futures.bt.co.uk>; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:15:36 -0000 Message-ID: From: Caroline Beauchamps To: "'freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org'" Subject: WaveLAN beacons Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:26:38 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I am not sure wether I should send this mail to freebsd-hackers or freebsd-mobile... I am using WaveLAN PCMCIA and ISA card from Lucent Technologies. The ISA card sends some messages called "beacons" to the PCMCIA card. Does anybody know which kind of packets ( ICMP, ethernet frame... ???) they are, and which information these messages contain ? Thanks Caroline To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Jan 14 07:37:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA19259 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:37:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lily.ezo.net (lily.ezo.net [206.102.130.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA19253 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:37:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jflowers@ezo.net) Received: from crocus (c3-1d196.neo.rr.com [24.93.233.196]) by lily.ezo.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA23672; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:36:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00db01be3fdc$049967b0$848266ce@crocus.ezo.net> From: "Jim Flowers" To: "Caroline Beauchamps" , "'freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: WaveLAN beacons Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:36:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From some old reading I recall that beacons to Lucent means an advance packet that is sent out to see if the radio space to the target host is available prior to sending a quantity of traffic. Never sniffed it to see what they were or if they were actually being sent. I didn't see anything that looked like beacons in the wl0 driver code so it may actually be implemented in the modem, itself. Hopefully, somebody will give you more specific answers. -----Original Message----- From: Caroline Beauchamps To: 'freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org' Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 6:31 AM Subject: WaveLAN beacons >Hi, > >I am not sure wether I should send this mail to freebsd-hackers or >freebsd-mobile... >I am using WaveLAN PCMCIA and ISA card from Lucent Technologies. >The ISA card sends some messages called "beacons" to the PCMCIA card. > >Does anybody know which kind of packets ( ICMP, ethernet frame... ???) >they are, and which information these messages contain ? > > > >Thanks >Caroline > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Jan 14 08:25:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA24803 for freebsd-mobile-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:25:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jli.com (jli.com [199.2.111.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA24798 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:25:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trost@cloud.rain.com) Received: (qmail 21774 invoked by uid 4); 14 Jan 1999 16:24:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 6371 invoked from network); 14 Jan 1999 16:18:11 -0000 Received: from localhost.cloud.rain.com (HELO cloud.rain.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.cloud.rain.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 1999 16:18:11 -0000 To: Caroline Beauchamps cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WaveLAN beacons References: In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:26:38 GMT. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <6367.916330690.1@cloud.rain.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:18:10 -0800 Message-ID: <6368.916330690@cloud.rain.com> From: Bill Trost Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Caroline Beauchamps writes: I am not sure wether I should send this mail to freebsd-hackers or freebsd-mobile... -mobile, definitely -mobile. I am using WaveLAN PCMCIA and ISA card from Lucent Technologies. The ISA card sends some messages called "beacons" to the PCMCIA card. Does anybody know which kind of packets ( ICMP, ethernet frame... ???) they are, and which information these messages contain ? Ever read Dr. Seuss's _Horton Hears A Who_? (-: In the WaveLAN bridge stuff that is the "standard," each bridge (*not* ISA card, unless you're talking about something else) sends a beacon that says "I am here" and the NWID that it is using to carry traffic. Mobile hosts are supposed to pick the bridge with the strongest beacon and use that NWID to send and receive data. Mobile IP (especially PSU's -- see http://www.cs.pdx.edu/research/SMN) uses ICMP router advertisements in a similar fashion to let mobile nodes get connected to the rest of the world. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message