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<plug>

This month's Daemon News is out, and it's a great issue!
http://www.daemonnews.org has lots of interesting stuff to read,
not just technical stuff but everything from advocacy to entertainment.

This month's newbies column looks at alternative ways to use floppy
disks which some of you will find handy, and surprisingly easy, using
mtools and zip. And if you still have loose ties with another operating
system or its users, see how floppy disks can help to bridge the gap.

</plug>

-- 

Regards,
        -*Sue*-


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At 01:43 08-02-1999 +1100, Sue Blake wrote:
>This month's newbies column looks at alternative ways to use floppy
>disks which some of you will find handy, and surprisingly easy, using
>mtools and zip. And if you still have loose ties with another operating
>system or its users, see how floppy disks can help to bridge the gap.

Hi, Sue.

You really wet my appetite with this one. But when I click on the mtools
link, I get "Unable to locate host linux.wauug.org". Any suggestions?

Adam
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At 19:51 04 02 1999 +0300, root@isis.dynip.com wrote:
>(High) Newbies,
>Can any one tell me what's the relation  between FreeBSD and Pink Floyd


Second cousins once removed, I believe.

Nick Mason

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At 00:47 07-02-1999 -0800, kevink@mindless.com wrote:
>Try: http://www.tux.org/pub/knaff/mtools/

Yes, that one worked. Thanks,

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hi there I'm not exactly a newbie but not really an expert either I'd really like to help out with the whole revolution taking hold on the world the is carried along the GNU,FreeBSD, Linux route. I have some programming experience and am fairly creative what can I do? 


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	I think quite a few of you may have been accessing this
for copies of the handbook, FAQ, or my newuser tutorial in different
formats since Sue Blake listed it as a resource.

	I have temporarily shut it down, because it was getting
hit pretty hard by people hoping to use the exploit in some
versions of ftp to break in to my computer.  The FreeBSD version
of ftp/ftpd is not subject to this exploit, but the attempts
continue.

	I will turn it back on when interest in testing for
this vulnerability subsides.

	Meanwhile, there are a number of documents at 
http://andrsn.stanford.edu/FreeBSD/ that might interest you.

	Thanks very much--

		Annelise



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ok, here's some links to wet your appetite.

The FreeBSD User Guide
http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/freebsd/

FreeBSD Rocks (news/reviews/etc)
http://www.freebsdrocks.com/

FreeBSD Newbies (lots of links/books/faqs)
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html

The Complete FreeBSD (uploading for you, as someone here did for me earlier)
http://www.crl.com/~anarchy/download/book_txt.gz
(use winzip it ungzip, and you may wish to rename the txt file to a doc 
extention (doc=txt + extras) to bypass "to large for notepad" message)

MCP (many UNIX/Linux *free* books)
www.mcp.com


That should keep you happy. The Newbies page is the best resource (links 
to handbook, etc) and plain freebsd.org has some other great links.

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> 
> The Complete FreeBSD (uploading for you, as someone here did for me earlier)
> http://www.crl.com/~anarchy/download/book_txt.gz
> (use winzip it ungzip, and you may wish to rename the txt file to a doc 
> extention (doc=txt + extras) to bypass "to large for notepad" message)

THIS IS NOT COOL this book is copyrighted and not licensed for this
kind of distribution. I'm sure greg will have some comments about this
as well but I just couldn't keep my fingers shut on the matter.


Rob
 



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from what I gather from the header, and when I got it, the book is free 
on the freebsd cd bought from Walnut creek. It doesn't have any pictures, 
greg gives an intro for the ps version, and how many people are going to 
print a 800 pg book or read it from the screen?

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ok, its deleted. When I get home.. it'll be gone for good. My mistake on 
the matter, I thought it wasfree as it was sent to me by when I earlier 
asked for info, and it was obviousely made, not a scan. sorry for the 
messup greg.

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On Thursday, 11 February 1999 at 17:05:13 -0800, K. Marsh wrote:
> Recently on the newbies list, an unauthorized digital version of Greg
> Lehey's "Complete FreeBSD" surfaced.  I have a copy of the original
> "Installing and Running" and have been holding out on the "Complete
> FreeBSD" until the new edition comes along. (without man pages)

FWIW, the unauthorized version is now no longer available.  Remember,
even downloading it is illegal.

> The existence of this unauthorized file raises two questions:
>
> 1)  Does the book come with a CD and text, ps, or HTML versions?

The book comes either with or without a CD set.  The first CD includes
an ASCII version of the book.  To quote the introduction:

  One thing you should note, though: this book is copyright.  By
  buying the CD-ROM, you have a license to use it for your own
  personal use.  You may not give it to other people, or use the text
  in other documents without the prior written approval of Walnut
  Creek CDROM.

> It sure would be nice to have in HTML or text format.  You could put it on
> a laptop and take it everywhere you go without violating carry-on or
> luggage restrictions.  Also, errata could be fixed with a patch file.

Well, in fact the errata would probably be fixed with a new version.
But that's the reason for the text version: for people who already
have the book, it's convenient to search.  Parts of it are *very*
difficult to read.  For example, this is what it makes of the diagram
on page 310:

The reference network
_____________________

One of the problems in talking  about  networks  is  that  there  are  so  many
different  kinds of network connection.  To simplify things, this book bases on
one of the most frequent environments: a number of computers connected together
by  an  Ethernet  LAN with a single gateway to the Internet.  Figure 19-7 shows
the layout of the network to which we will refer in the rest of this book.


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         |            |            |            |
     ed0o223.147.37.1o223.147.37.2o223.147.37.3o223.147.37.4
 --------+------------+-------+----+------------+--------
                              |
 Local Ethernet            ep0o223.147.37.5
 Domainsexample.org.0        gw
                           Router
                          tun0o139.130.136.133
                            modem
      Connection to network   o
          223.147.38.0        |   PPP link, net 139.130.136.0
              modem         modem
                o             o
            ppp0o139.130.136.9o139.130.136.129
                    router
                    free-gw
                    ed0o139.130.237.117
 --------------------+-------------------+---------------
 ISP's Ethernet  le0 139.130.237.65  le0 139.130.237.3
 Address 139.130.237o0                  o|
 Domain example.ngateway                ns
                   igw
               fddi0 139.130.249.201
                  to Internet
                     |
                        Figure 19-7: Reference network

This diagram is not only illegible, it's missing important
information.  For the purpose for which I made it, however, that's not
important.

Greg
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I think I have the name right, 'Complete FreeBSD'. Is this the
fix all book that will answer most if not all I need to know. I
am not being funny I just want to keep my book budget in line. I
will give it a try, a CD sounds pretty good.

Soo, 1)jump to Walnut Creek, 2)buy said book with some credit
card, 3) be happy because it is the right book.

-dutch/quasimoto

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> I think I have the name right, 'Complete FreeBSD'. Is this the
> fix all book that will answer most if not all I need to know. I
> am not being funny I just want to keep my book budget in line. I
> will give it a try, a CD sounds pretty good.


	Well, it's not a solve all book, but it goes a long way towards 
being one. It, along with www.freebsd.org will answer most of your questions.


					Rick

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On Thursday, 11 February 1999 at 19:05:41 -0800, rick hamell wrote:
>
>> I think I have the name right, 'Complete FreeBSD'. Is this the
>> fix all book that will answer most if not all I need to know. I
>> am not being funny I just want to keep my book budget in line. I
>> will give it a try, a CD sounds pretty good.
>
> 	Well, it's not a solve all book, but it goes a long way towards
> being one. It, along with www.freebsd.org will answer most of your questions.

I'm about to start work on the third edition of this book.  If there's
anything you missed in the second edition, now is the time to tell me.

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                         FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit
                         (Last updated 30 August 1998)
                                       
   (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list.
   It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/)
   
   FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about
   installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests
   are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions.
   
   FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to
   questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies.
   
   FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and
   covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt
   with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on
   our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how
   to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to
   use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories,
   moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the
   FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to
   freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are
   doing the same things that we do as newbies.
   
   One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find
   help when we need it. Here are some suggestions:
   
When something doesn't work the way you expect

    1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at
       http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and
       security advisories.
    2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at
       http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html
    3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of
       `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question
       to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG.
       
Mailing lists

   When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only
   one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG.
   FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as
   more general and advanced questions.
   
   You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a
   question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you
   personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and
   followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them
   different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to
   freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the
   recent questions and their answers.
   
   Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at
   http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer
   FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when
   they get questions which are difficult to understand.
   http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too.
   
   If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and
   ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to
   the support mailing list.
   
   Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing
   list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might
   get the answer right away. It's always worth trying.
   
   Other mailing lists
   (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources:charters.html) cover
   specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to
   read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably
   a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about
   where to post a more specialised question.
   
   FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional
   announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick
   Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too.
   
Manuals

   You'll always be expected show that you have made some effort to use
   the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always
   as easy as it sounds!
   
   If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a
   brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need,
   always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you
   do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction.
   
   Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is
   encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at
   http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html
   
Other resources

   A resource list is available at
   http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and
   inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It
   includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web
   pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a
   suggestion for good material to be included, please write to
   freebsd-newbies and tell us about it.
   
But I have seen people asking questions here!

   It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a
   mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from
   time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't
   belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose
   job it is to sort these problems out privately.
   
   The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It
   is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies
   so we all make mistakes. That's OK.
   
   One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions,
   believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies,
   not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the
   situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to
   redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently.
   There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either.
   
   So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions
   as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies
   can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on
   our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not
   allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the
   mistakes that we need to make in order to learn.
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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Sat Feb 13 06:59:44 1999
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Has anyone ever bought the "unofficial" FreeBSD CD from Cheap Bytes?

In my usual chicken-hearted, dilletante-ish way, I am thinking of buying it
to try on FreeBSD for size... then moving up to the official FreeBSD
release if it's a nice fit.

But there may be issues I don't know about, especially considering that I
don't know much. Does anyone have an opinion about Cheap Bytes?

// rob


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