From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 8 20:13:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.bezeqint.net (mail1.bezeqint.net [192.115.106.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CA661573C for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 20:13:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Important_for@YourLife.com) Received: from yourlife.com ([212.25.115.5]) by mail1.bezeqint.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.03.02.17.58.p5) with SMTP id <0FBF002LDV689E@mail1.bezeqint.net> for newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 9 May 1999 06:09:24 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 06:09:24 +0300 (IDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by mail1.bezeqint.net From: Important_for@YourLife.com Subject: Why Jews Don't Beleive in ... To: Important_for@YourLife.com Message-id: <0FBG002183FK9E@mail1.bezeqint.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Friend, Did you ever wonder why the Jewish people don't believe in the New Testament? How come for 2000 years the Jewish people have been dedicated to Judaism to the point of allowing themselves to be killed rather than convert to Christianity? In their 20 page scholarly work entitled "Why don't the Jewish people don't recognize the New Testament?", theological scholars Eliyahoo Silver and Isaac Even Zahav demonstrate that Christianity is based on mistaken premises, misperceptions, and misunderstanding of what God is really all about. These conclusions and insights may seem strange to many since they go against everything many people have learned all their lives. But, many have seen that in fact Truth is stranger than fiction, Truth has no friends, but we must accept the Truth; not my truth, not your truth....but God's Truth. Here are some excerpts from Eliyahoo Silver's and Isaac Even Zahav's scholarly work entitled "Why don't the Jewish people recognize the New Testament?" regarding the Oneness of God, Jesus as Messiah, Virgin Birth, and the Covenent God made with Noah The Oneness of God "The Jewish God is one, as it is written; "Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is one." Deut. 6:4. So according to the Bible there is one God, and that One God is One. One means One; not two, not three, not three in one, not two in one, not three divisions of one, but One whole One Alone. ........ The ancient idol worshipping cultures believed that there are many different gods, but God made it very clear in the Bible that He is the One and only God. Christianity believes that God is divided into three parts; the father, the son and the holy ghost. They try to make one out of these three, because God clearly says in the Bible that He is One. However, by definition God is an ever present, all powerful, omniscient, intangible, and unlimited Being, therefore, by dividing God into 3 parts, by definition you thus limit Him. This cannot be so. Deut. 4:39: "Know therefore this day and consider it in your heart that the Lord He is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath; there is none else." Deut. 32:39: "See now that I, even I, am He, and there is no god with me." Isaiah 43:10: "I am He, before Me no god was created, neither shall there be after Me." Isaiah 44:6:"Thus saith the Y-H-W-H, the king of Israel, and his redeemer, the Lord of hosts; I am the first and I am the last, and beside me there is no god." Isaiah 45:18:"I am the Y-H-W-H and there is none else." Please notice that nowhere in the here is spoken about a trinity. The concept of trinity is nowhere to be found in the Old Testament or the New Testament. ... There is One God, and that One God is One. One means One. That is not two, not three, not three in one, not two in One, but One." Jesus as the Messiah "Who and what is the Messiah? Let us see according to the holy Hebrew scriptures what the Messiah is supposed to do as required and defined by God himself through His prophets. In Isaiah 2:4 it is written that in the messianic days the swords will be beaten into plowshares and the spears into pruninghooks. Isaiah 60:18: "Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within your borders, but you shall call your walls Salvation and your gates Praise." Zechariah 14:11: "And there shall be no more destruction but Jerusalem will be safely inhabited. Amos 9:14-15: "And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel and they shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; and I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled out of their land which I have given them, says Y-H-W-H your God." ... ... And then a Jew stands up and claims that he is the Messiah, the savior that is announced by the prophets. But he did not do what he was supposed to do, set the Jews free from their oppressors, the Romans, and establish an era of peace and tranquillity for the Jews and all mankind. Instead he gets killed and all that there is left of him is a collection of writings, called the New Testament. But he claimed that he would establish this all in THAT generation: See Mark 13:24-30 and Matthew 16:27-28; "Verily I say unto you; there be some standing here that shall not taste of death till they see the son of man coming in his kingdom." ... Unnecessary to say that he failed totally. ... .... By the Living Word of God Himself it is clear that the Messiah must redeem Israel and bring universal peace. However, this is not done by Jesus. On the contrary, after he was executed as a common criminal the temple got destroyed, and the Jewish people were exiled, and since then violent war after war has swept over the earth. In order to get around this problem, the christian church invented the second coming. However, nowhere in the Hebrew scriptures is it written that the messiah would come once, get killed, and come again in a second coming. This is a pure rationalization of Jesus failure to function in any way as a Messiah. ..." Virgin Birth "The angel tells Joseph (Matthew 1:22-23) that this is done in order to fulfill the word of the prophet; "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel. ...This prophecy is quoted as being from Isaiah 7:14. There it says; "Behold a virgin shall conceive and bare a son and shall call his name Emmanuel." But for the Jewish reader that knows Hebrew, this also raises problems. The Hebrew word in Isaiah 7:14 that the King James translation translates as virgin is the Hebrew word "Almah". But, in Hebrew, the word "Almah" means young woman, NOT virgin. The Hebrew word for virgin is "Betulah". Therefore the word virgin in the king James translation of Isaiah 7:14 is a mistranslation. ... Nowhere in the Old Testament is a prophecy that the messiah will be born unto a virgin. In fact, virgins nowhere give birth in the Old Testament. This concept is only to be found in pagan mythology. By the way, if this was realy a virgin birth, than the requirement to be Messiah of being a direct paternal descandant of king David was not fullfilled.... To the Jews, what does this say about the reliability of the New Testament? " The Noachide and Israelite Covenants In conclusion Eliyahu Silver and Isaac Ewen Zahav point out that Gentiles must follow and live according to the Covenant that God made with Noah which requires descendants of Noah to follow seven catagories of laws known as the Seven Noachide Laws. Thus Noachidism is the proper religion of Gentiles. The seven catagories of Noachide commandments are: 1) Establish courts of law. 2) Do not blaspheme. 3) Do not worship idols. 4) Do not murder. 5) Do not commit adultery. 6) Do not steal. 7) Do not eat the limb of a live animal" Please learn these by memory and know these this day for this is what God commands you as descandants of Noah. For the Jewish people is is pointed out "The Jewish people have a different mission in life; "And you shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, a Holy nation." Exodus 19:6. For this reason the Jewish people have to live according 613 commandments commanded to them in their Holy book called the Torah and the Gentiles must be commited never to lead Jews astray from liveing by the Holy Torah. For more information on Noacidism how to join the Noachide movement if you are a Gentile, or, on Judaism and how to join a Jewish group if you are a Jew, we recomend you visit these oher great web sites. For Gentiles who want to join/form Noachide groups in your area http://www.fastlane.net/~bneinoah/world.html To learn the Seven Noachide Laws and their ramificiations in todays society gopher://gopher.chabad.org/11/outlook/7laws For Jews to learn the Torah so they can live a good Blessed Jewish life http://www.torah.org/programs/outsideinisrael.html For Jews to learn Torah on Mount Zion, Israel http://www.mznet.org/ For Jews worldwide to learn Torah or to experience a Sabbath in a warm, loving home http://www.chabad.org/ To read the full 20 page essay "Why the Jews don't believe in the New Testament" http://www.noachidetorah.home-page.org/ Current policy, music and insights of the re-established House of David http://www.thehouseofdavid.home-page.org/ To read the full copy of Eliyahu Silver's and Isaac Ewen Zahav's 20 page booklet titled: "Why don't the Jewish people recognize the new testament?" refer to our web sites at http://noachidetorah.mainpage.net/ or http://www.noachidetorah.allhere.com/ or search the keyword "CovenentDavid" in at least three search engines. Please feel free to download and share with your friends as we are sure this work will be a collectors item one day. To get Merit with God, make sure to tell this truth to all your friends, neighbors and collegues who are Gentiles that they must live by the Noachide Covenent and all the Jewish people that they must live in accordance with the Torah. The best way to live life is to serve God... properly and in Truth. Spread the Truth to all and God will shower us with His Blessing!!! The only way to acheive peace on earth is to live by God's rules so that God will then bestow peace upon us. This is the only way there will be peace on earth. To contact the writer by mail write Eliyahoo Silver P.O.B. 1651, zip code 91000, Jerusalem, Israel, or write the publisher by mail write Eliyahoo Silver C/O M. Ariel Cohen POB 32097 Jerusalem, Israel 91320. Thanks for subscribing to our mailing list of society and religion. We are sorry that it has been over two years for some who signed our mailing list and you may have forgotten about it but we hope you enjoy our message anyway. If you wish to be removed from future mailings, please simply and politely reply with the subject "Remove" to nocensores@altavista.net or nocensores@iname.com or Covenentdavid@iname.com or houseofdavid@joinme.com and you will happily be removed from any and all future mailings at no cost to you. Feel free to have your friends add themselves to our mailing lists by sending in their emails as many are already doing. "And it shall come to pass in the end of days, that the mountain of Y-H-W-H's house shall be established as the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills, and all nations shall flow unto it. And many peoples shall go and say ' Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of Y-H-W-H, To the House of the God of Jacob, and He will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths', for out of Zion shall come forth the Torah and the Word of Y-H-W-H from Jerusalem. And He shall judge between the nations, and shall decide for many peoples, and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks, nation shall not lift up sword againt nation, neither shall they learn war anymore" Isaiah 2:2-4 Blessings from Mount Zion, Jerusalem, Israel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 9 11:11:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A516415A8C for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 11:11:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peterv@verio.net) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10gY0k-0000p3-00 for freebsd-newbies@freeBSD.ORG; Sun, 9 May 1999 14:09:10 -0400 Received: from nessie.lan.intr.net (nessie.lan.intr.net [207.32.92.13]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA01414 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 14:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3735D019.B72B0277@verio.net> Received: from iipc245.intr.net by nessie.lan.intr.net via smtpd (for mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) with SMTP; 9 May 1999 21:17:11 UT Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 14:12:41 -0400 From: Pete Vanderburgh Organization: Verio Web Hosting Technical Staff, Vienna, VA. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freeBSD.ORG Subject: Religious Propoganda. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all. I recently received an obvious spam. The header and reply-to were obviously forged (it's listed as ImportantFor@YourLife.com, and there was no path posted in the message to hint from where it was sent. However, it did have the tell-tale tag re: "to unsubscribe from freebsd-newbies send mail to majordomo..." So, I ask: What happened here? Did others receive the same message? And if not, it still brings up a good point, I suppose. Is there a way to trace a message like this? (I guess it's obvious that I have issues with people using the internet to push their religious doctrine may way!!) All comments are welcome. -- Pete -- ===================================== Pete Vanderburgh Verio Web Hosting, Vienna, VA. (703)749-7955 x1306 peterv@verio.net ===================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 9 11:27:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.tccsweb.com (h139-142-234-33.cg.FiberONE.NET [139.142.234.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0267E15751 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 11:27:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brentr@tccsweb.com) Received: from home (h139-142-234-31.cg.FiberONE.NET [139.142.234.31]) by mail.tccsweb.com (8.9.2/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA08048; Sun, 9 May 1999 12:29:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brentr@tccsweb.com) Message-ID: <016101be9a49$4f06fa20$1fea8e8b@home> From: "Brent Rector" To: "Pete Vanderburgh" , Subject: Re: Religious Propoganda. Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 12:25:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3007.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3007.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I completely agree.. This kind of spamming is outrageous! What kind of action can we take to prevent this type of abuse in the future? Is it possible to have the messages go through some kind of moderator prior to distribution to this (or other FreeBSD lists). If it is possible.. I would gladly volunteer! Brent Rector TCCSweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Pete Vanderburgh To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sunday, May 09, 1999 12:13 PM Subject: Religious Propoganda. Hello all. I recently received an obvious spam. The header and reply-to were obviously forged (it's listed as ImportantFor@YourLife.com, and there was no path posted in the message to hint from where it was sent. However, it did have the tell-tale tag re: "to unsubscribe from freebsd-newbies send mail to majordomo..." So, I ask: What happened here? Did others receive the same message? And if not, it still brings up a good point, I suppose. Is there a way to trace a message like this? (I guess it's obvious that I have issues with people using the internet to push their religious doctrine may way!!) All comments are welcome. -- Pete -- ===================================== Pete Vanderburgh Verio Web Hosting, Vienna, VA. (703)749-7955 x1306 peterv@verio.net ===================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 9 11:39: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from chopin.seattleu.edu (chopin.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB6314D5F for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 11:38:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from muckalex@seattleu.edu) Received: from jadaris ([172.17.41.249]) by chopin.seattleu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA01654; Sun, 9 May 1999 11:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001501be9a4a$574d6560$f92911ac@jadaris.seattleu.edu> From: "Jadaris Ro'Kedri" To: "Brent Rector" , "Pete Vanderburgh" , Subject: Re: Religious Propoganda. Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 11:32:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bad SPAM! Bad, bad SPAM! *grins* I myself just replied to every e-mail in the original with "Remove" in the subject and "you turd" in the message. *laughs* If every message had to go through a moderator, then things would really get messed up. I myself have never seen a really good SPAM protection ther than that though. Alex Muck -----Original Message----- From: Brent Rector To: Pete Vanderburgh ; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sunday, May 09, 1999 11:29 AM Subject: Re: Religious Propoganda. >I completely agree.. This kind of spamming is outrageous! > >What kind of action can we take to prevent this type of abuse in the future? >Is it possible to have the messages go through some kind of moderator prior >to distribution to this (or other FreeBSD lists). > >If it is possible.. I would gladly volunteer! > >Brent Rector >TCCSweb.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Pete Vanderburgh >To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >Date: Sunday, May 09, 1999 12:13 PM >Subject: Religious Propoganda. > > >Hello all. I recently received an obvious spam. The header and >reply-to were obviously forged (it's listed as >ImportantFor@YourLife.com, and there was no path posted in the message >to hint from where it was sent. However, it did have the tell-tale tag >re: "to unsubscribe from freebsd-newbies send mail to majordomo..." > >So, I ask: What happened here? Did others receive the same message? >And if not, it still brings up a good point, I suppose. Is there a way >to trace a message like this? (I guess it's obvious that I have issues >with people using the internet to push their religious doctrine may >way!!) All comments are welcome. > >-- Pete > >-- >===================================== >Pete Vanderburgh >Verio Web Hosting, Vienna, VA. >(703)749-7955 x1306 >peterv@verio.net >===================================== > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 9 12: 5:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE1714EAD for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 12:05:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rage@cyberwitch.org) Received: from localhost (rage@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29211; Sun, 9 May 1999 15:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 15:05:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Rhiannon X-Sender: rage@bytor.rush.net To: Pete Vanderburgh Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Religious Propoganda. In-Reply-To: <3735D019.B72B0277@verio.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org yes i believe it was an across the board spam, and there should be a way to block future spamming from this insidious source. we currently use a program which not only blocks spammers, but also forwards the information to a blackhole list. but yu'd have to ask Pat Lynch about the particulars...since i'm just a geek-in-training. lorraine ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ how do you know she's a witch ? * * * rage@cyberwitch.org rage@rush.net rage@free.bsdunix.net On Sun, 9 May 1999, Pete Vanderburgh wrote: > Hello all. I recently received an obvious spam. The header and > reply-to were obviously forged (it's listed as > ImportantFor@YourLife.com, and there was no path posted in the message > to hint from where it was sent. However, it did have the tell-tale tag > re: "to unsubscribe from freebsd-newbies send mail to majordomo..." > > So, I ask: What happened here? Did others receive the same message? > And if not, it still brings up a good point, I suppose. Is there a way > to trace a message like this? (I guess it's obvious that I have issues > with people using the internet to push their religious doctrine may > way!!) All comments are welcome. > > -- Pete > > -- > ===================================== > Pete Vanderburgh > Verio Web Hosting, Vienna, VA. > (703)749-7955 x1306 > peterv@verio.net > ===================================== > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 9 12:17:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop05.iname.net (pop05.iname.net [165.251.8.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78A614CF2 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 12:17:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r17.bfm.org [208.18.213.113]) by pop05.iname.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id PAA25191; Sun, 9 May 1999 15:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990509140924.00956380@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 14:09:24 -0500 To: Pete Vanderburgh , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Religious Propoganda. In-Reply-To: <3735D019.B72B0277@verio.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 14:12 09-05-1999 -0400, Pete Vanderburgh wrote: >Hello all. I recently received an obvious spam. The header and >reply-to were obviously forged (it's listed as >ImportantFor@YourLife.com, and there was no path posted in the message >to hint from where it was sent. However, it did have the tell-tale tag >re: "to unsubscribe from freebsd-newbies send mail to majordomo..." > >So, I ask: What happened here? Did others receive the same message? Yes, we did, and not just in newbies but in other FBSD lists. I would not worry about it. I am sure our moderators have already blocked the offender. Adam --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 9 12:17:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop05.iname.net (pop05.iname.net [165.251.8.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7048D153A8 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 12:17:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r17.bfm.org [208.18.213.113]) by pop05.iname.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id PAA25196; Sun, 9 May 1999 15:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990509141650.00959d30@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 14:16:50 -0500 To: "Brent Rector" , "Pete Vanderburgh" , From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Religious Propoganda. In-Reply-To: <016101be9a49$4f06fa20$1fea8e8b@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:25 09-05-1999 -0600, Brent Rector wrote: >I completely agree.. This kind of spamming is outrageous! > >What kind of action can we take to prevent this type of abuse in the future? >Is it possible to have the messages go through some kind of moderator prior >to distribution to this (or other FreeBSD lists). > >If it is possible.. I would gladly volunteer! Hi Brent, While I agree that message did not belong here, how often does a thing like that happen here? Is it really worth delaying the flow of messages because of an occasional bad apple? (Surely you cannot sit at the computer 24/7 and let all good messages pass through immediately.) Now, if it were to become a regular thing, it may be worth having a human filter. But so far, that has not been the case. Abusus non tollit usum. Adam --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 9 12:24:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85501519D for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 12:24:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r17.bfm.org [208.18.213.113]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id PAA05831; Sun, 9 May 1999 15:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990509142337.00958100@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 14:23:37 -0500 To: "Jadaris Ro'Kedri" , "Brent Rector" , "Pete Vanderburgh" , From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Religious Propoganda. In-Reply-To: <001501be9a4a$574d6560$f92911ac@jadaris.seattleu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:32 09-05-1999 -0700, Jadaris Ro'Kedri wrote: >Bad SPAM! Bad, bad SPAM! *grins* > >I myself just replied to every e-mail in the original with "Remove" in the >subject and "you turd" in the message. *laughs* Ouch! You may have opened yourself up to more spam: You gave them your email address while they did not have it before. That is what the "remove" instructions are for, to confirm the validity of emails in their database, and to collect new emails when the message was posted through a list. All antispam instructions I have ever seen say you should never reply to the message for precisely those reasons. Adam --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 9 12:30: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.davidv.net (davidv.net [206.66.4.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D93157E6 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 12:30:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david@davidv.net) Received: from localhost (david@localhost) by ns1.davidv.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA02264; Sun, 9 May 1999 14:29:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 14:29:58 -0500 (CDT) From: David Vondrasek To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Religious Propoganda. In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990509142337.00958100@mail.bfm.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 9 May 1999, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > At 11:32 09-05-1999 -0700, Jadaris Ro'Kedri wrote: > >Bad SPAM! Bad, bad SPAM! *grins* > > > >I myself just replied to every e-mail in the original with "Remove" in the > >subject and "you turd" in the message. *laughs* > > Ouch! You may have opened yourself up to more spam: You gave them your > email address while they did not have it before. That is what the "remove" > instructions are for, to confirm the validity of emails in their database, > and to collect new emails when the message was posted through a list. > > All antispam instructions I have ever seen say you should never reply to > the message for precisely those reasons. > > Adam You are correct. They use this as a way to varify VALID emails and they sell those to other lists collectors. Then your email is added to the nice CD's you see for in spam as a VARIFIED email address. *sigh* I work for an abuse dept of an ISP and I see it all day. NEVER reply to a spam. Send it to your abuse dept, or if you know how to trace a header, to the postmaster and/or abuse@ address of the originating ISP. Most accounts get cancelled. But the spammers expect this. -- David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 9 12:33:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web.tf (site194.web.com.py [216.65.31.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B721D14CF2 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 12:33:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@web.tf) Received: (from dan@localhost) by web.tf (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25022; Sun, 9 May 1999 12:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19990509124158.A23398@tf> Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 12:41:58 -0700 From: DC Mahoney To: Pete Vanderburgh , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Religious Propoganda. References: <3735D019.B72B0277@verio.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <3735D019.B72B0277@verio.net>; from Pete Vanderburgh on Sun, May 09, 1999 at 02:12:41PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org While I get as bothered by SPAM as the next guy, I don't think that moderating the list is the answer. I think the best way to handle truly obnoxious SPAM like this religious crap is to look at the headers to identify where the message originated (in this case, bezeqint.net) and complain to the originating ISP and their upstream provider. If everyone on this mailing list would complain to the admins at bezeqint.net and their upstream (hard to tell exactly who that is - my traceroutes start to die at teleglobe.net) I suspect the offender would be booted off the air pretty quickly. Of course, the fact that I can't traceroute to the originating system suggests that action might already have been taken! Dan Mahoney dan@wolf.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 9 13: 9:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from CPAQ3000 (mailman.bendcable.com [208.139.24.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E3714D31 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 13:09:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from samantha@bendnet.com) Received: from bendnet.com - 208.130.252.211 by bendcable.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 9 May 1999 13:05:58 -0700 Message-ID: <3735EAC0.6AFCF614@bendnet.com> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 13:06:24 -0700 From: Samantha Dahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: Brent Rector , Pete Vanderburgh , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Religious Propoganda. References: <3.0.6.32.19990509141650.00959d30@mail.bfm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I thought it was kind of funny myself... I've been on the list for quite a while and that's the first spam... :) :) hi G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > At 12:25 09-05-1999 -0600, Brent Rector wrote: > >I completely agree.. This kind of spamming is outrageous! > > > >What kind of action can we take to prevent this type of abuse in the future? > >Is it possible to have the messages go through some kind of moderator prior > >to distribution to this (or other FreeBSD lists). > > > >If it is possible.. I would gladly volunteer! > > Hi Brent, > > While I agree that message did not belong here, how often does a thing like > that happen here? Is it really worth delaying the flow of messages because > of an occasional bad apple? (Surely you cannot sit at the computer 24/7 and > let all good messages pass through immediately.) > > Now, if it were to become a regular thing, it may be worth having a human > filter. But so far, that has not been the case. > > Abusus non tollit usum. > > Adam > --- > Want to design your own web counter? > Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 9 14:17:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11862150B9 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 14:17:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id HAA08102; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:17:30 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990510071721.40898@welearn.com.au> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 07:17:21 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Pete Vanderburgh Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Religious Propoganda. References: <3735D019.B72B0277@verio.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3735D019.B72B0277@verio.net>; from Pete Vanderburgh on Sun, May 09, 1999 at 02:12:41PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, May 09, 1999 at 02:12:41PM -0400, Pete Vanderburgh wrote: > Hello all. I recently received an obvious spam. The header and > reply-to were obviously forged (it's listed as > ImportantFor@YourLife.com, and there was no path posted in the message > to hint from where it was sent. However, it did have the tell-tale tag > re: "to unsubscribe from freebsd-newbies send mail to majordomo..." If you can get your mailer to display "all headers", the first line usually tells you which list it's come from, as well as the Sender: header. For lists that don't have footers, this is one quick way to tell that the email came through a list and not direct to you. > So, I ask: What happened here? Did others receive the same message? Yes, they did. Here's what happened. While the really popular FreeBSD lists have over 1,000 subscribers, FreeBSD-Newbies is small, say 200 subscribers. Now, get your calculators out. The spammer sent the mail via the list, one little message for the spammer, but copies of it were distributed to TWO HUNDRED people all over the globe! Imagine what the total cost must be for transmitting and downloading all those emails, not to mention people's time reading it and deciding whether to react to it or just delete it. Your response also went to the same two hundred people, and generated a thread of ten responses to your post, each going to two hundred people, a total of TWO THOUSAND emails. As the rest of the list joins in, it is likely to escalate until the original spam is a negligible portion of the total problem. It's 7AM here now. I wake up, and the first thing I have to do is check the FreeBSD-Newbies list to make sure everyone's doing the right thing. I see that someone has generated two hundred off topic posts, and I see that someone else has generated two thousand off topic posts. And I ask myself, who is it that I should pull into line? :-) Then I chuckle and crawl back into bed. > And if not, it still brings up a good point, I suppose. Is there a way > to trace a message like this? The best thing I can suggest is to go to Yahoo! and do a search on "spam" which will bring up dozens of helpful sites that explain how to read mail headers and what you can do. It's also OK to discuss it a bit here, but do remember never to talk about these things, or respond to spam in any way, when it occurs on any other FreeBSD list. You'll be given a worse time than the spammer, for the reasons calculated above. > (I guess it's obvious that I have issues with people using the > internet to push their religious doctrine may way!!) All comments are > welcome. Being neither a Jew nor a Christian, I found the post mildly amusing, less offensive than those who spam their religion through goody-goody better-than-you mail signatures. But I expect that anyone from the mentioned religions would have been quite upset, just as upset as I am when I am forced to pay to receive spam offers of pornography and get rich quick deals that I can't even purchase here in Australia. The best thing you can do when you encounter spam on a list, or trolling, or any inappropriate behaviour, is just do nothing. Do absolutely nothing. Any response, to the list or to the spammer, is only going to make it worse. In other lists, you could find yourself as much the target of attacks as the spammer, for generating a tenfold mail volume on the spam topic. In the case of this spammer, he has already been dealt with, quite a while before your response came through, swiftly and silently, out of the public eye, and without any further impact on the cost in Internet fees for subscribers (some of whom are not in the USA and pay for each byte of email they get). Of course you wouldn't know that these spams are monitored and their senders are swiftly and silently banned from the lists, unless you'd been around the FreeBSD (or other well run) lists quite a while. That's one of the reasons why we have FreeBSD-Newbies, so you can explore these little traps without being harshly judged by non-newbies when you fall into them, and so you can discuss anything like this that would be off topic in any other list. -- Regards, -*Sue*- (` () '` <-- a +3 uncursed budgerigar named Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 9 18:23:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.tig.com.au (stress.tig.com.au [203.109.250.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9319B15103 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 18:23:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from otter@tig.com.au) Received: from rachel (p30-max9.mel.ihug.com.au [216.100.144.30]) by smtp1.tig.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA22912 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:23:06 +1000 From: otter@tig.com.au Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990510111738.007b0150@pop.tig.com.au> X-Sender: otter@pop.tig.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:17:38 +1000 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Very basic questions... In-Reply-To: <19990510071721.40898@welearn.com.au> References: <3735D019.B72B0277@verio.net> <3735D019.B72B0277@verio.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings A/all, new to the list, and very pleased to see another couple of skippies here ; )) I was wondering if someone can give me a bit of a pointer, FreeBSD is a Unix like system, right? Means I have to use Unix type commands to work the thing? I have nfi re Unix, and GNULinux seems to cost a fortune although it is quite trendy these days. I was hoping there'd be a really easy way out of stumbling along ignorantly, perhaps I can run X-Windows under BSD and still use all my old apps while I'm learning the foibles of the new OS.... What's the best way to format the start menu so the thing boots to BSD unless I tell it otherwise? I'm hoping I'll be able to get some info here and on the newsgroups, as my isp's web server is slow as a wet week lately, and there's a time limit )) : >The best thing I can suggest is to go to Yahoo! and do a search on >"spam" which will bring up dozens of helpful sites that explain how >to read mail headers and what you can do. Oddly enough, I've canned the entire domains of the US based popular free mail services... except for friends addys. I get nothing _but_ spam from Yahoo! Cheers, Lisa aka Ananke http://homepages.tig.com.au/~otter/myo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 9 18:50:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592C515130 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 18:50:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: (from hamellr@localhost) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id SAA18267; Sun, 9 May 1999 18:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 18:48:20 -0700 (PDT) From: rick hamell To: otter@tig.com.au Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Very basic questions... In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990510111738.007b0150@pop.tig.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I was wondering if someone can give me a bit of a pointer, FreeBSD is a > Unix like system, right? Means I have to use Unix type commands to work the > thing? I have nfi re Unix, and GNULinux seems to cost a fortune although > it is quite trendy these days. FreeBSD is directly derived from Unix. Much of it's source code is taken directly from BSD and updated to be a bit more modern. :) One of the core team members once showed me a piece of code shipping in 2.2.8 that had been around since the early 70's. I'm not sure what you mean by GNULinux, Linux is a kernal that falls under the GNU licence scheme. There are several flavors of Linux, all of which you can download for free, just like FreeBSD. > I was hoping there'd be a really easy way out of stumbling along > ignorantly, perhaps I can run X-Windows under BSD and still use all my old > apps while I'm learning the foibles of the new OS.... X-Windows is not MS-Windows. You're not going to be able to run something like Word for Windows. BUT there have been several programs ported over to Unix. Wordperfect is one example. Your best bet is to find Unix apps that do what you want. For example, you can load Star Office and have pretty dang close to %100 compatiblity with Microsoft Office's funky formats. Load The Gimp and you'll be able to do just about everything that Photoshop can do. And of course Netscape runs pretty dang well under FreeBSD, a LOT better then it ever ran under Windows for me. The best part is that it is all free! > What's the best way to format the start menu so the thing boots to BSD > unless I tell it otherwise? When you install FreeBSD, choose to load the BootMGR. It's what I've done though I've not botted into Windows for about 6 months now. :) > I'm hoping I'll be able to get some info here and on the newsgroups, as my > isp's web server is slow as a wet week lately, and there's a time limit )) : You might want to be looking into another ISP then....:) Most all your questions have been answered online and in depth. www.freebsd.org is the place to start. Search the mailing list archives and read the handbook. For more specific answers you may want to take a look at www.freebsddiary.com Dan has done a great job documenting his procedures. Rick ---- "Religion exists because man can't belive that he's nothing more then a random accident." http://www.grendal.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 9 19:31:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from futuredomain.net (divine.futuredomain.net [209.17.177.160]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D865315493 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 19:31:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cengland@obscurity.org) Received: (qmail 30361 invoked from network); 10 May 1999 02:41:42 -0000 Received: from localhost (cengland@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 May 1999 02:41:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 19:41:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris England X-Sender: cengland@divine To: otter@tig.com.au Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Very basic questions... In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990510111738.007b0150@pop.tig.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 10 May 1999 otter@tig.com.au wrote: > > Greetings A/all, > > new to the list, and very pleased to see another couple of skippies here ; )) > > I was wondering if someone can give me a bit of a pointer, FreeBSD is a > Unix like system, right? Means I have to use Unix type commands to work the > thing? I have nfi re Unix, and GNULinux seems to cost a fortune although > it is quite trendy these days. Linux is a similar to the FreeBSD project, and it is also free. Unfortunately book stores, computer retailers etc... are taking advantage of it, by selling a little book with the cd and avoiding violation of its GNU policy by saying "The customer is not paying for Linux, they are paying for the book". You can download it for free from any linux mirror. As for your other question, you will probably be able to stumble through FreeBSD as you learn in the process. It might not appeal to you right off, but once you become a little more comfortable with it. I'm sure it will be your OS of choice :) cheers, -Chris England To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 9 19:47:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76A914C46 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 19:47:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA08852; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:47:32 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990510124727.42190@welearn.com.au> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:47:27 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: rick hamell Cc: otter@tig.com.au, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Very basic questions... References: <3.0.5.32.19990510111738.007b0150@pop.tig.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from rick hamell on Sun, May 09, 1999 at 06:48:20PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, May 09, 1999 at 06:48:20PM -0700, rick hamell wrote: > > You might want to be looking into another ISP then....:) Whoah! That's pretty much the way of things here in Australia. People in the USA can't imagine what it's like for the average Internet user in other countries. Most commonly we pay so-much a month, say $30-$50, and for that you get ten, twenty, or some other fixed number of hours per month. If you go over your time allocation, they impose really heavy hourly charges for excess time. A few of us have a different arrangement, where we don't pay for online time, just for each megabyte received by our system. Or you can get casual access at some places for around $10-$12 per hour. All local phone calls are charged in Australia too, while most of our continent's land mass would be a long distance call to the nearest ISP. So there's no way someone totally naive is going to waste time fossicking through the www.freebsd.org web site without some idea of what they're looking for and how to get there quickly, and the motivation to do so. A few pointers here would help a lot in this situation. Searching the mailing list archives is good if you know exactly what you're looking for and have good searching skills, but it's hell-on-a-stick if you're watching the clock. In these circumstances, asking on this list and/or the newsgroup for initial orientation is sensible. It demonstrates someone taking the initiative to solve a problem, one of the main determinants of future success with FreeBSD. BTW, I'm surprised that nobody has recommended our own Newbies page. It is supposed to serve exactly this function: to show totally lost newbies what newbie-relevant online resources they should access first. Since no newbie has ever complained or suggested a single change to the page, you must all be blissfully happy with it. The easiest way to get there is to go to www.freebsd.org (it works fine without images too) and look for the Newbies link under the Documentation subheading at the left. That left hand panel, and the newbies page, will lead you to just about everything you'd be looking for. But there's no substitute for one newbie giving another newbie some words of personal experience and encouragement. I'm not talking here about how-to, but about how-it-feels. A lot of us have come into this from a Microsoft background and once wondered if it could just possibly be within our ability to grasp some of this unix stuff one day. This leads to questions which do not have technical answers but people answers, and the right people to answer them are other newbies. -- Regards, -*Sue*- (` () '` <-- a +3 uncursed budgerigar named Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 9 21:46: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.atl.bellsouth.net (mail2.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C8414CB8 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 21:45:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bangpath@bellsouth.net) Received: from default (host-209-214-79-40.atl.bellsouth.net [209.214.79.40]) by mail2.atl.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA08966 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000510004335.007e22d0@mail.atl.bellsouth.net> X-Sender: bangpath@mail.atl.bellsouth.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 00:43:35 -0700 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: borehawg Subject: Re: Religious Propoganda. In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990509141650.00959d30@mail.bfm.org> References: <016101be9a49$4f06fa20$1fea8e8b@home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>If it is possible.. I would gladly volunteer! > >Hi Brent, > >While I agree that message did not belong here, how often does a thing like >that happen here? Is it really worth delaying the flow of messages because >of an occasional bad apple? (Surely you cannot sit at the computer 24/7 and >let all good messages pass through immediately.) > >Now, if it were to become a regular thing, it may be worth having a human >filter. But so far, that has not been the case. Just so I can add my two cents, -Newbies, -Questions and the others that allow messages to be sent to the list without first being a subscriber are the ones that will be the easiest to target. The simplest way to reduce spam (or at least make the spammers work a little harder) would be to setup Majordomo to only acccept and relay messages from subscribed list members. Of course, the downside is that new users, especially ones who aren't prepared to deal with large volumes of email discussions, won't find it as easy to get the help that these lists are designed to provide. On a somewhat humorous side note, on one of the unmoderated lists I participate on, the listmembers actually _foward_ spam to the list if it includes an 800 number or some other toll-free telephone number to call. That way, all 1000+ listmembers can call the spammer up (charged to the spammer, of course) and tell the spammer how much they *love* receiving spam. One of the listmembers also keeps a database of spammer's 800 numbers and regularly posts it in case anyone misses it the first time around. Now I am actually eager for spam to arrive in my mailbox, so I can sift through it looking for an 800 number :-) -------------------------------------- Andrew ---> bangpath@bellsouth.net -------------------------------------- C++? Java? Perl? To Hell with it!! AppleSoft Basic all the way!!! Dude! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 9 22:10:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (mail1.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F49B156EF for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 22:10:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bangpath@bellsouth.net) Received: from default (host-209-214-79-40.atl.bellsouth.net [209.214.79.40]) by mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA11808; Mon, 10 May 1999 01:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000510010620.00797770@mail.atl.bellsouth.net> X-Sender: bangpath@mail.atl.bellsouth.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 01:06:20 -0700 To: rick hamell , otter@tig.com.au From: borehawg Subject: Re: Very basic questions... Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19990510111738.007b0150@pop.tig.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 06:48 PM 5/9/99 -0700, some wacky FreeBSD user wrote: >> I was wondering if someone can give me a bit of a pointer, FreeBSD is a >> I was hoping there'd be a really easy way out of stumbling along >> ignorantly, perhaps I can run X-Windows under BSD and still use all my old >> apps while I'm learning the foibles of the new OS.... > > X-Windows is not MS-Windows. You're not going to be able to run >something like Word for Windows. BUT there have been several programs >ported over to Unix. Wordperfect is one example. The Linux General Store here in Atlanta has a weekly "hardware forum" when Linux (and FreeBSD) users can get together. The last time I was down there, someone had installed VMWare for Linux, and had a *fully functioning* install of Windows NT and Office 200 running in a virtual window (kinda like VirtualPC for Macintosh). I haven't looked into it fully, but it's still in the beta stages (but works great). I am hoping they will have a FreeBSD ports soon, since it will run FreeBSD in the virtual window under Linux. However, for someone running NT on his box, and wants to learn FreeBSD on the side, this is an excellent way to slowly migrate over and still use the current apps that need/require Windows (provided the user has sufficient hardware requirements to run all this). -------------------------------------- Andrew ---> bangpath@bellsouth.net -------------------------------------- C++? Java? Perl? To Hell with it!! AppleSoft Basic all the way!!! Dude! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 9 22:49:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C3214D0B for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 22:49:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r26.bfm.org [208.18.213.122]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id BAA04977; Mon, 10 May 1999 01:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990510004928.00959a10@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 00:49:28 -0500 To: otter@tig.com.au, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Very basic questions... In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990510111738.007b0150@pop.tig.com.au> References: <19990510071721.40898@welearn.com.au> <3735D019.B72B0277@verio.net> <3735D019.B72B0277@verio.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:17 10-05-1999 +1000, otter@tig.com.au wrote: > I was wondering if someone can give me a bit of a pointer, FreeBSD is a >Unix like system, right? It is not Unix like, it is Unix. Unix comes in several flavors, one of which is BSD (Berkeley Software Development). When BSD stopped developing their flavor of Unix, several other groups continued their work. FreeBSD is one of those groups. So, there is a continuity, hence FreeBSd is Unix. >Means I have to use Unix type commands to work the thing? Yes. But you can alias many of them if you are used to DOS commands. Unix is very flexible. > I have nfi re Unix, and GNULinux seems to cost a fortune although >it is quite trendy these days. Linux does not cost a fortune, it is free. > I was hoping there'd be a really easy way out of stumbling along >ignorantly, perhaps I can run X-Windows under BSD and still use all my old >apps while I'm learning the foibles of the new OS.... If by old apps you mean MS Windows apps, no, they will not run under X unless they were ported (some were). > What's the best way to format the start menu so the thing boots to BSD >unless I tell it otherwise? It remembers what you booted last time. If you boot FreeBSD, and then reboot without pressing F1 (or whichever key it uses for the other OS), it will automatically choose FreeBSD. If the last thing you booted was DOS, it will automatically choose DOS unless you press F5. Adam --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 9 23: 5:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from garnet.acns.fsu.edu (gmhub.acns.fsu.edu [146.201.2.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24126157CE for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 23:05:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bcc9746@garnet.acns.fsu.edu) Received: from garnet1.acns.fsu.edu (garnet1-fi.acns.fsu.edu [128.186.197.2]) by garnet.acns.fsu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA101364; Mon, 10 May 1999 02:05:08 -0400 Received: from s1o3q0 (dial785.acns.fsu.edu [146.201.35.175]) by garnet1.acns.fsu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA74484; Mon, 10 May 1999 02:05:05 -0400 Message-ID: <004201be9aab$2bf7d560$af23c992@s1o3q0> From: "Brett G. Castleberry" To: "Sue Blake" , "rick hamell" Cc: , References: <3.0.5.32.19990510111738.007b0150@pop.tig.com.au> <19990510124727.42190@welearn.com.au> Subject: Re: Very basic questions... Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 02:05:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org No, I don't think we realize how it is outside the US. I don't pay anything for internet access. As a graduate student at a state university I have unlimited access, and if I were to quit school, my account with Tallahassee Freenet gives me the same. I never thought I would be glad that our government is the errand boy of Corporate America, but in this case, I am. There is a spurious message going around here that the phone companies are going to charge long distance rates for internet access. The chairman of the Federal Communications Commission has actually posted an explicit denial at the FCC site. For the corporations, this would amount to "restraint of trade." Governments need to realize that phone lines are like public highways. More wealth will be created by making them inexpensive to use than by putting a meter on them. FreeBSD. As a really new newbie, I was glad to find a site just for us. But as a newbie, most of what I have to say is questions. Sometimes I want to know about something and I think, "It's a question, so I ought to post it to 'questions', but I 'll sound like an idiot there. And I can't post it to 'newbies' because they don't want questions." Here at the Florida State University School of Information Studies, our server runs on FreeBSD, but no one that I know of has it on his or her PC. They run mostly Red Hat, with Slackware as runner-up. "FreeBSD is ugly," said one Red Hat user to me. But I have gathered that FreeBSD can be set up with gnome or KDE too, if one wants. I want to learn command-line unix, so I don't much care about nice GUIs at the moment. I find the dark screen with glowing type to be very soothing. At this point I don't have much more to add. I've got my FreeBSD 3.1 CD. I've got the book. I've got the victim (a used 486 with an AMD 80mhz cpu, 20mb RAM, 850mb hd.) It's time to "see the elephant." I'll let you all know how it goes. Cheers, Brett Castleberry bcc9746@garnet.acns.fsu.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Blake To: rick hamell Cc: ; Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 10:47 PM Subject: Re: Very basic questions... > On Sun, May 09, 1999 at 06:48:20PM -0700, rick hamell wrote: > > > > You might want to be looking into another ISP then....:) > > Whoah! That's pretty much the way of things here in Australia. People > in the USA can't imagine what it's like for the average Internet user > in other countries. Most commonly we pay so-much a month, say $30-$50, > and for that you get ten, twenty, or some other fixed number of hours > per month. If you go over your time allocation, they impose really > heavy hourly charges for excess time. A few of us have a different > arrangement, where we don't pay for online time, just for each megabyte > received by our system. Or you can get casual access at some places for > around $10-$12 per hour. All local phone calls are charged in Australia > too, while most of our continent's land mass would be a long distance > call to the nearest ISP. > > So there's no way someone totally naive is going to waste time > fossicking through the www.freebsd.org web site without some idea of > what they're looking for and how to get there quickly, and the > motivation to do so. A few pointers here would help a lot in this > situation. Searching the mailing list archives is good if you know > exactly what you're looking for and have good searching skills, but > it's hell-on-a-stick if you're watching the clock. In these > circumstances, asking on this list and/or the newsgroup for initial > orientation is sensible. It demonstrates someone taking the initiative > to solve a problem, one of the main determinants of future success with > FreeBSD. > > > BTW, I'm surprised that nobody has recommended our own Newbies page. It > is supposed to serve exactly this function: to show totally lost > newbies what newbie-relevant online resources they should access first. > Since no newbie has ever complained or suggested a single change to the > page, you must all be blissfully happy with it. > > The easiest way to get there is to go to www.freebsd.org (it works fine > without images too) and look for the Newbies link under the > Documentation subheading at the left. That left hand panel, and the > newbies page, will lead you to just about everything you'd be looking > for. > > > But there's no substitute for one newbie giving another newbie some > words of personal experience and encouragement. I'm not talking here > about how-to, but about how-it-feels. A lot of us have come into this > from a Microsoft background and once wondered if it could just possibly > be within our ability to grasp some of this unix stuff one day. This > leads to questions which do not have technical answers but people > answers, and the right people to answer them are other newbies. > > > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > (` > () > '` <-- a +3 uncursed budgerigar named Einstein > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 9 23: 5:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D070E157DD for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 23:05:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r26.bfm.org [208.18.213.122]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id CAA25517; Mon, 10 May 1999 02:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990510010454.00976e10@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 01:04:54 -0500 To: Chris England , otter@tig.com.au From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Very basic questions... Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19990510111738.007b0150@pop.tig.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 19:41 09-05-1999 -0700, Chris England wrote: >Unfortunately book stores, computer retailers etc... You mean book publishers and software publishers, don't you. Book stores and computer retailers are just resellers with very little markup (especially computer retailers). > are taking advantage >of it, by selling a little book with the cd and avoiding violation of its >GNU policy by saying "The customer is not paying for Linux, they are >paying for the book". Actually, GNU licence explicitly says that software covered by it may be sold as long as it includes the source code. You can sell Linux and keep the money if anyone is willing to buy it from you. You can charge a thousand dollars for it, say outright you are selling Linux, and you are perfectly legal (whether anyone would be willing to pay that much is another question :). That is one of the reasons many programmers do not like the GNU licence: Others are allowed to make money from the sweat of their brow while they make nothing. Of course, that is true of the BSD licence as well. But the BSD licence does not take the rights of the programmer away. Adam --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 9 23:13:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from makita.cc.gifu-nct.ac.jp (iwato.gifu-nct.ac.jp [202.223.137.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4327F151A8 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 23:13:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bachng@mail.com) Received: from shosho.archi.gifunct.ac.jp (shosho.archi.gifu-nct.ac.jp [10.28.24.14]) by makita.cc.gifu-nct.ac.jp (2.0 Build 2131 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA05367 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:13:46 +0900 Message-ID: <003b01be99e3$12f19240$0e181c0a@archi.gifunct.ac.jp> Reply-To: "Nguyen Huu Bach" From: "Nguyen Huu Bach" To: "freebsd-newbie" Subject: install Modem Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 15:12:32 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org please help. Can I install WinModem to my IBM Aptiva ??? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 9 23:23:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 360BA15465 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 23:23:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r26.bfm.org [208.18.213.122]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id CAA28178; Mon, 10 May 1999 02:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990510012301.009538a0@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 01:23:01 -0500 To: "Nguyen Huu Bach" , "freebsd-newbie" From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: install Modem In-Reply-To: <003b01be99e3$12f19240$0e181c0a@archi.gifunct.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 15:12 09-05-1999 +0900, Nguyen Huu Bach wrote: >please help. Can I install WinModem to my IBM Aptiva ??? If you have a free slot, you should be able to. But it won't do you any good with FreeBSD. Winmodems have their hardware crippled: part of their functionality is done by software built into MS Windows. For it to work under FreeBSD, you need a regular modem. Adam --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 9 23:40:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from makita.cc.gifu-nct.ac.jp (iwato.gifu-nct.ac.jp [202.223.137.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0253614C1E for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 23:40:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bachng@mail.com) Received: from shosho.archi.gifunct.ac.jp (shosho.archi.gifu-nct.ac.jp [10.28.24.14]) by makita.cc.gifu-nct.ac.jp (2.0 Build 2131 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA05387; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:40:02 +0900 Message-ID: <004901be99e6$be54aa20$0e181c0a@archi.gifunct.ac.jp> Reply-To: "Nguyen Huu Bach" From: "Nguyen Huu Bach" To: "Nguyen Huu Bach" , "freebsd-newbie" , "G. Adam Stanislav" References: <3.0.6.32.19990510012301.009538a0@mail.bfm.org> Subject: Re: install Modem Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 15:39:51 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org thanks. I got one. But I mean that I could use in in FreeBSD. How can I use it ? ----- Original Message ----- From: G. Adam Stanislav To: Nguyen Huu Bach ; freebsd-newbie Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 3:23 PM Subject: Re: install Modem > At 15:12 09-05-1999 +0900, Nguyen Huu Bach wrote: > >please help. Can I install WinModem to my IBM Aptiva ??? > > If you have a free slot, you should be able to. But it won't do you any > good with FreeBSD. Winmodems have their hardware crippled: part of their > functionality is done by software built into MS Windows. For it to work > under FreeBSD, you need a regular modem. > > Adam > --- > Want to design your own web counter? > Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 9 23:53: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from relay.i-next.net (relay.i-next.net [202.61.64.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F110C14CBB for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 23:53:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nitronarc@iname.com) Received: from mailhost.i-next.net (mailhost.i-next.net [202.61.64.11]) by relay.i-next.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA20310 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:03:15 +0800 (PHT) (envelope-from nitronarc@iname.com) Received: from honey1 ([202.61.65.182]) by mailhost.i-next.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA11424 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:49:27 +0800 (PHT) (envelope-from nitronarc@iname.com) Message-Id: <4.1.19990510150300.00a04af0@mailhost.i-next.net> X-Sender: googoo@mailhost.i-next.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:07:37 +0815 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: "Ramoncito P. Puyat" Subject: help with partitions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all! I'm trying to load both FBSD3.1 and RedHat 5.2 into my system. Read the How-to on dual boots. However, I'm having trouble with the partitioning of RedHat 5.2, as we know it doesn't auto partion like FBSD 3.1. Know it is the wrong list to ask but, could someone help me in this respect. I have about 700mb for each of the OS (sharing 133mb swap space). Ramon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 0: 4:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD49214FB5 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:04:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id RAA09509; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:04:14 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990510170409.51779@welearn.com.au> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:04:09 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: "Ramoncito P. Puyat" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: help with partitions References: <4.1.19990510150300.00a04af0@mailhost.i-next.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990510150300.00a04af0@mailhost.i-next.net>; from Ramoncito P. Puyat on Mon, May 10, 1999 at 03:07:37PM +0815 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 03:07:37PM +0815, Ramoncito P. Puyat wrote: > Hello all! > > I'm trying to load both FBSD3.1 and RedHat 5.2 into my system. Read the > How-to on dual boots. However, I'm having trouble with the partitioning of > RedHat 5.2, as we know it doesn't auto partion like FBSD 3.1. Know it is > the wrong list to ask but, could someone help me in this respect. I have > about 700mb for each of the OS (sharing 133mb swap space). There is a good Linux how-to on installing FreeBSD and Linux together. I think we've pulled it into the FreeBSD documentation somewhere, but you'll definitely find it in the LDP docs. It might give you all the info you need. (Any more questions or answers on this (other than where are the docs) should be sent only to freeebsd-questions, and remember to cc: Ramon. That way they will be checked and archived so that others can benefit.) -- Regards, -*Sue*- (` () '` <-- a +3 uncursed budgerigar named Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 0:31:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1069215BEF for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:31:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id RAA09574; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:31:23 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990510173120.51446@welearn.com.au> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:31:20 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: "Brett G. Castleberry" Cc: rick hamell , otter@tig.com.au, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD-Questions phobia [was: Very basic questions...] References: <3.0.5.32.19990510111738.007b0150@pop.tig.com.au> <19990510124727.42190@welearn.com.au> <004201be9aab$2bf7d560$af23c992@s1o3q0> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <004201be9aab$2bf7d560$af23c992@s1o3q0>; from Brett G. Castleberry on Mon, May 10, 1999 at 02:05:56AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 02:05:56AM -0400, Brett G. Castleberry wrote: > FreeBSD. As a really new newbie, I was glad to find a site just for us. > But as a newbie, most of what I have to say is questions. Sometimes I want > to know about something and I think, "It's a question, so I ought to post it > to 'questions', but I 'll sound like an idiot there. And I can't post it to > 'newbies' because they don't want questions." In that case you post to -questions, and if anyone dares laugh at you I'll have my attack-trained budgerigar drop its little presents all over their keyboard! (You gotta see what he does to believe it, ugh!) Do give freebsd-questions a go. We are no less eligible for the best support available than any other members of the community, whatever our needs are. As long as you show that you've made a reasonable effort to help yourself, and provide sufficient information for someone to give you an answer, nobody cares how beginnerish the question is, seriously! You know, there's people who hang out in freebsd-questions for weeks, just waiting for a question that's easy enough for them to answer. You might be in that situation yourself soon, so don't be selfish, share your questions on the -questions list while they're easy ones! :-) Oh occasionally there's a dork, as there is in every large group, but if you ever do get a hard time at least you can come back here and let off steam about it with us because, *because* we don't do support on this list. We're (theoretically) all only newbies here and if you're feeling a bit upset about how non-newbies react it's kinda nice to be able to thrash things out away from the inspection of the helpers (including those who might happily help you next time round). -- Regards, -*Sue*- (` () '` <-- a +3 uncursed budgerigar named Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 0:39:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.tig.com.au (smtp2.tig.com.au [203.109.250.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B435D14D02 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:39:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from otter@tig.com.au) Received: from rachel (p34-max12.mel.ihug.com.au [203.56.11.162]) by smtp2.tig.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA07276 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:39:02 +1000 From: otter@tig.com.au Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990510173530.007b2350@pop.tig.com.au> X-Sender: otter@pop.tig.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:35:30 +1000 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Very basic questions... In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990510010454.00976e10@mail.bfm.org> References: <3.0.5.32.19990510111738.007b0150@pop.tig.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:04 10-05-99 -0500, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: >You mean book publishers and software publishers, don't you. Book stores >and computer retailers are just resellers with very little markup >(especially computer retailers). I've been looking at sites which archive various compilations for dl... they start at $30 odd US unless you want to fly by the seat of your pants. I will quite happily converse with other users via email and usenet to get info.... but the number of posts to Linux newsgroups about hassles with dialup connections makes me want to have a printed standby.... Fortunately there seems to be lots of dl-able manuals etc. available for FreeBSD, one of the reasons I'm interested and researching. At this rate I'll end up with a different OS on each of my four HDD's. (( : Books are a good alternative... but down here in the colonies we are paying about double what you folks in the US pay. An Amazon price of $45 might look good, but by the time you consider the 60c exchange rate and international shipping.... banks charge upwards of $10 for foreign currency cheques.... (and their security sucks, so you take your financial life in your hands just having a credit card, let alone using it over the net)...... Back to the ftp sites I go. >> are taking advantage >>of it, by selling a little book with the cd and avoiding violation of its >>GNU policy by saying "The customer is not paying for Linux, they are >>paying for the book". > >Actually, GNU licence explicitly says that software covered by it may be >sold as long as it includes the source code. Of course, that is true of the BSD >licence as well. But the BSD licence does not take the rights of the >programmer away. How does Copyleft take the rights of the programmer away? If you want to alter, recompile and distribute, name the compile after yourself, charge what you like... just make the source available, to keep us from another gates of hell type scenario. GNU 'free' means free speech, not free price. With regards Internet access in Australia, our formerly national carrier holds a death grip on any and all ISDN coming into the country and the majority of physical phone line connections... so while we talk about "competition" what we actually have is a monopoly, and an even more vested interest when you consider that said carrier runs its own ISP. To get phone line problems fixed, you might find yourself lying through your teeth, coz as soon as you mention a modem, they tell you the problem is not the phone line, but your ISP... They also charge private ISP's an arm and a leg for ISDN rental and data dl. And you thought we were a free country?! Now the govt is even looking at censoring "offensive" content.... but the story on that is on aus.politics and aus.censorship.... Back on topic.... I'd be interested to know if any ex Lose 9x users have comments on websites etc which I could have a squizz at? Apart from those already linked at FreeBSD.org and GNU. Cheers, Ana To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 0:43:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A35A814C9F for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:43:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker ([210.55.152.128]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990510074529.EJEI7623210.mta2-rme@wocker> for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:45:29 +1200 From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary To: newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:43:21 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: What do newbies do with FreeBSD? Reply-To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990510074529.EJEI7623210.mta2-rme@wocker> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This may sound like a sarcastic question, but I assure it is not. We were talking about this just a few minutes ago. I'll be the first to answer. I started using FreeBSD to act as a firewall and a gateway. Eventually I started using the mail server, web server, and the mailing list server. What did you do? -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/freebsd/ NZ FreeBSD User Group - http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/ The Racing System - http://www.racingsystem.com/racingsystem.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 0:48:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from toxic.magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [204.188.6.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C6C64150F2 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:48:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unfurl@toxic.magnesium.net) Received: (qmail 31177 invoked by uid 1001); 10 May 1999 07:48:19 -0000 Date: 10 May 1999 00:48:19 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 00:48:19 -0700 From: Bill Swingle To: Dan Langille Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What do newbies do with FreeBSD? Message-ID: <19990510004819.A31153@dub.net> References: <19990510074529.EJEI7623210.mta2-rme@wocker> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <19990510074529.EJEI7623210.mta2-rme@wocker>; from Dan Langille on Mon, May 10, 1999 at 07:43:21PM +1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Several years ago I lived with a friend that was running FreeBSD and he convinced me to set up my machine for dual boot (Win95/FreeBSD). I had my Win95 partition doublespaced and when trying to mount it from FreeBSD hosed somethgin I didnt know how to fix and ended up scratchign the whole disk and installing just FreeBSD. :) So I guess I used it for a desktop box first :) -Bill On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 07:43:21PM +1200, Dan Langille wrote: > This may sound like a sarcastic question, but I assure it is not. We were > talking about this just a few minutes ago. > > I'll be the first to answer. I started using FreeBSD to act as a firewall > and a gateway. Eventually I started using the mail server, web server, > and the mailing list server. > > What did you do? -- -=| Bill Swingle - -=| "I hate quotations." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson -=| FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! - http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 0:50:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.tig.com.au (smtp2.tig.com.au [203.109.250.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C306115540 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:50:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from otter@tig.com.au) Received: from rachel (p34-max12.mel.ihug.com.au [203.56.11.162]) by smtp2.tig.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA08628 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:50:26 +1000 From: otter@tig.com.au Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990510174852.007b2350@pop.tig.com.au> X-Sender: otter@pop.tig.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:48:52 +1000 To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do newbies do with FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <19990510074529.EJEI7623210.mta2-rme@wocker> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 19:43 10-05-99 +1200, Dan Langille wrote: >This may sound like a sarcastic question, but I assure it is not. We were >talking about this just a few minutes ago. > >I'll be the first to answer. I started using FreeBSD to act as a firewall >and a gateway. Eventually I started using the mail server, web server, >and the mailing list server. > >What did you do? eww, excuse the proliferation of emails, but while I'm at it.... I'd like a stable OS with some security. That's all. Just don't want my desktop falling over or hackers/viruses getting at my stuff while I'm online. Cheers, Ana To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 1: 5: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hades.riverstyx.net (hq-port-89.harbour-dhcp-pool.infinetgroup.com [207.23.37.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823E415865 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 01:05:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unknown@riverstyx.net) Received: from localhost (unknown@localhost) by hades.riverstyx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26851; Mon, 10 May 1999 01:10:40 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 01:10:40 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Dan Langille Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do newbies do with FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <19990510074529.EJEI7623210.mta2-rme@wocker> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just a development box to test stuff I wrote on Linux. I guess I'm not precisely a newbie though. I was thinking of doing server stuff, but I'm still too much of a newbie for that. --- tani hosokawa river styx internet On Mon, 10 May 1999, Dan Langille wrote: > This may sound like a sarcastic question, but I assure it is not. We were > talking about this just a few minutes ago. > > I'll be the first to answer. I started using FreeBSD to act as a firewall > and a gateway. Eventually I started using the mail server, web server, > and the mailing list server. > > What did you do? > -- > Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited > The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/freebsd/ > NZ FreeBSD User Group - http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/ > The Racing System - http://www.racingsystem.com/racingsystem.htm > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 4: 1: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hera.webcom.com (hera.webcom.com [209.1.28.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10CDF14FD0 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 04:01:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from graeme@echidna.com) Received: from kigal.webcom.com (kigal.webcom.com [209.1.28.57]) by hera.webcom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA26064; Mon, 10 May 1999 04:00:45 -0700 Received: from [204.143.69.12] by inanna.webcom.com (WebCom SMTP 1.2.1) with SMTP id 31884638; Mon May 10 03:57 PDT 1999 Message-Id: <3736E68E.47F1@echidna.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 07:00:46 -0700 From: Graeme Tait Organization: Echidna X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What do newbies do with FreeBSD? References: <19990510074529.EJEI7623210.mta2-rme@wocker> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I use FreeBSD for a production web server. We were dissatisfied with what we could get from various web hosts, and decided to do it ourselves with a colocated server. Right now we use ISP services for SSL, DNS and mail, but I'll have that on our server soon. The few hours down time in the last five months has either been elective, or loss of power or connectivity due to our service provider. I also use an old machine at home running PPP as an internet gateway for a tiny network. Dan Langille wrote: > > This may sound like a sarcastic question, but I assure it is not. We were > talking about this just a few minutes ago. > > I'll be the first to answer. I started using FreeBSD to act as a firewall > and a gateway. Eventually I started using the mail server, web server, > and the mailing list server. > > What did you do? -- Graeme Tait - Echidna To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 5:57:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.0.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B99C1554B for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 05:57:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomg@nrnet.org) Received: from mailhost.nrnet.org (root@mailhost.nrnet.org [166.84.192.39]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/PanixM1.3) with ESMTP id IAA07073; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (tomg@localhost) by mailhost.nrnet.org (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id HAA18206; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:30:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 07:30:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Good To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: Brent Rector , Pete Vanderburgh , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Religious Propoganda. In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990509141650.00959d30@mail.bfm.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 9 May 1999, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > While I agree that message did not belong here, how often does a thing like > that happen here? Is it really worth delaying the flow of messages because > of an occasional bad apple? (Surely you cannot sit at the computer 24/7 and > let all good messages pass through immediately.) > > Now, if it were to become a regular thing, it may be worth having a human > filter. But so far, that has not been the case. Adam - We seem to have had a couple instances of `fetish mail' of late. And the `my god is bigger than your god' stuff gets pretty tedious. I would vote, if I had a vote, to block this stuff - if it were possible to do so without having the cure be worse than the symptom. The perl-dbi mailing list blocks posts from non-subscribers... (www.fugue.com/dbi, if you're interested.) This might prove more useful than making a human sift rubbish. > Abusus non tollit usum. Semper Paratus. ;-) Cheers, Tom ---- North Richmond Community Mental Health Center Thomas Good Information Systems Coordinator E-Mail: tomg@ { admin | q8 } .nrnet.org Phone: 718-354-5528 Fax: 718-354-5056 Empowered by PostgreSQL 6.3.2 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 6:28:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rascal.honk.org (cr523413-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.177.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 644EC1559D for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 06:28:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Received: from localhost (mpoulin@localhost) by rascal.honk.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA19647; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:49:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:49:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin To: Nguyen Huu Bach Cc: freebsd-newbie , "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: install Modem In-Reply-To: <004901be99e6$be54aa20$0e181c0a@archi.gifunct.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You won't be able to use the Winmodem in FreeBSD. Winmodems only work in MS Windows. Go to http://www.freebsd.org/search and do a search of the mail archives on "Winmodem" for more information. If you get a "real" modem (*not* winmodem) you will be able to easily dial up the internet using it. You can find everything you need to know about that at: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ppp-and-slip.html M. ================== Quote of the Day ===================== When you read a classic you do not see in the book more than you did before. You see more in you than there was before. - Clifton Fadiman On Sun, 9 May 1999, Nguyen Huu Bach wrote: > thanks. I got one. But I mean that I could use in in FreeBSD. How can I use > it ? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: G. Adam Stanislav > To: Nguyen Huu Bach ; freebsd-newbie > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 3:23 PM > Subject: Re: install Modem > > > > At 15:12 09-05-1999 +0900, Nguyen Huu Bach wrote: > > >please help. Can I install WinModem to my IBM Aptiva ??? > > > > If you have a free slot, you should be able to. But it won't do you any > > good with FreeBSD. Winmodems have their hardware crippled: part of their > > functionality is done by software built into MS Windows. For it to work > > under FreeBSD, you need a regular modem. > > > > Adam > > --- > > Want to design your own web counter? > > Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 6:30:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from intrex.net (mail.intrex.net.192.42.209.in-addr.arpa [209.42.192.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACFF15130 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 06:30:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brownicm@prokyon.com) Received: from molly.localdomain [209.42.232.82] by intrex.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id AFA83A6E0118; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:31:20 EDT Content-Length: 1905 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19990510074529.EJEI7623210.mta2-rme@wocker> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:29:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Browning To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: What do newbies do with FreeBSD? Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was exposed to UNIX (AIX) shell scripts and vi while learning programming at a local tech school about three years ago. DOS w/ teeth! Loved it! At the time, I was a little shaky on just what Linux was, but I stumbled across FreeBSD at Walnut Creek while doing a web search. The pedigree was impressive and the price ($24.95-subscription) was right. The learning curve was kinda steep for the first six months or so, but I've never looked back. It's been my primary desktop system for the last year and a half. I keep learning and FreeBSD keeps getting better w/ each release. I've learned some of the ins and outs of TCP/IP and ethernet, I've gotten to where I can make my X desktop (fvwm2 and TkDesk) do what I want. I've learned to do some programming w/ Tcl/Tk (which was new to me) and with C (not new but I'm still a rank amateur) using gcc and emacs. Right now I'm working on Samba to try sharing Tcl/Tk apps btw FBSD and Win98. I love this stuff. On 10-May-99 Dan Langille wrote: > This may sound like a sarcastic question, but I assure it is not. We were > talking about this just a few minutes ago. > > I'll be the first to answer. I started using FreeBSD to act as a firewall > and a gateway. Eventually I started using the mail server, web server, > and the mailing list server. > > What did you do? > -- > Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited > The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/freebsd/ > NZ FreeBSD User Group - http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/ > The Racing System - http://www.racingsystem.com/racingsystem.htm > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Chris Browning 10-May-99 08:44:18 XFMail 1.3 on FreeBSD 3.1 "If you believe in Nothing... Honey, It believes in you." ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 6:39:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rascal.honk.org (cr523413-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.177.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BAAD15BDE for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 06:39:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Received: from localhost (mpoulin@localhost) by rascal.honk.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA19671; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:00:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:00:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin To: Dan Langille Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do newbies do with FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <19990510074529.EJEI7623210.mta2-rme@wocker> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Much the same. I began with a small part of my HD set aside for FreeBSD so I could experiment and learn, and as I got more comfortable with FreeBSD, it began to take over more and more disk space. I now have a firewall/gateway running natd, sshd, wu-ftpd, apache, sendmail, named, and a bunch of other stuff that I can't remember right now. FreeBSD is also almost entirely taking over my desktop machine as well. I spend about 90% of my time in X running KDE. ================== Quote of the Day ===================== When you read a classic you do not see in the book more than you did before. You see more in you than there was before. - Clifton Fadiman On Mon, 10 May 1999, Dan Langille wrote: > This may sound like a sarcastic question, but I assure it is not. We were > talking about this just a few minutes ago. > > I'll be the first to answer. I started using FreeBSD to act as a firewall > and a gateway. Eventually I started using the mail server, web server, > and the mailing list server. > > What did you do? > -- > Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited > The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/freebsd/ > NZ FreeBSD User Group - http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/ > The Racing System - http://www.racingsystem.com/racingsystem.htm > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 8:47:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3247B15F8E for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:47:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@marconi.concentric.net) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id LAA13170; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:47:06 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts004d16.mer-id.concentric.net (ts004d16.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.172]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id LAA02242; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:48:40 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke X-Sender: mlduke@concentric.net To: Chris Browning Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: What do newbies do with FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Use ppp & pine for mail, run Corel WP in X in order to provide compatible documents to clients from all parts of the country. Lynx to do web research, Netscape in X when a site with good data is not text friendly. Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 9: 9:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFF714DFD for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:09:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r38.bfm.org [208.18.213.134]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id MAA06845; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990510110918.00952e20@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:09:18 -0500 To: "Nguyen Huu Bach" , "Nguyen Huu Bach" , "freebsd-newbie" From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: install Modem In-Reply-To: <004901be99e6$be54aa20$0e181c0a@archi.gifunct.ac.jp> References: <3.0.6.32.19990510012301.009538a0@mail.bfm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 15:39 09-05-1999 +0900, Nguyen Huu Bach wrote: >thanks. I got one. But I mean that I could use in in FreeBSD. How can I use >it ? As far as I know, you cannot. A winmodem is designed to work only under Windows. It is probably possible to write a device driver for it, but from what I have read no one has ever written one. I do not know whether it is because no one knows the technical specifications, or because simply no one ever decided to write it. Perhaps someone else can explain that. Adam --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 12:10:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from b.mx.crl.com (bmx.crl.com [165.113.1.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1185114E37 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:10:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anarchy@crl.com) Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by b.mx.crl.com (8.8.7/) via SMTP id MAA11512; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:10:39 -0700 (PDT) env-from (anarchy@crl.com) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:10:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Manes To: "Ramoncito P. Puyat" Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: help with partitions In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990510150300.00a04af0@mailhost.i-next.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hello all! > > I'm trying to load both FBSD3.1 and RedHat 5.2 into my system. Read the > How-to on dual boots. However, I'm having trouble with the partitioning of > RedHat 5.2, as we know it doesn't auto partion like FBSD 3.1. Know it is > the wrong list to ask but, could someone help me in this respect. I have > about 700mb for each of the OS (sharing 133mb swap space). > > Ramon Well, what exactly is wrong? all you should need to do is use fdisk (disk-druid != work), create a linux partition from free space, and continue the linux instillation. It should automaticly setup the partition andso forth. Then just go into lilo's config, and add freebSD. It should be quite simple. I have both happily on my system. One question, why so much swap space? Most of your work probably wont need much swap, and even then not nearly that much (although I hear netscape gobbles alot). if you need a step-by-step, email me and I'll walk you through any problems. I promise you, it will seem elemtary after the first time. ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 12:58:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.abraxis.com (SMTP1.ABRAXIS.COM [206.155.199.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B55A815757 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:58:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tracc@abraxis.com) Received: from mail.abraxis.com [206.155.199.210] by mail.abraxis.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AA53811686; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:58:11 EST From: "tracc " Reply-To: "tracc " Date: Mon, 10 May 99 15:58:11 EST To: bangpath@bellsouth.net Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Very basic questions... Message-Id: <19990510195823.B55A815757@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Heres another basic question. I have a 3c509 ISA nic that uses IRQ 10 and base address 0x320. on FreeBSD3.1-Release when i try to use ifconfig on the device the system locks up. Nothing else is using this IRQ. -Nassar Carnegie tracc@abraxis.com http://www.linuxgeneralstore.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 13:15:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from aw164.netaddress.usa.net (aw164.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E49E14DDF for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:15:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from elcoz@usa.net) Received: (qmail 29657 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 1999 20:15:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19990510201538.29656.qmail@aw164.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.64 by aw164 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Mon May 10 20:15:38 GMT 1999 Date: 10 May 99 16:15:38 EDT From: Mr.Delicious To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Mailing List vs Newsgroup X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am fairly new to FreeBSD (running about 3 months now) and about the onl= y thing i don't like about FreeBSD is the fact that you have support throug= h a mailing list. In fact, I hate it. I can't read by thread or anything. It = also appears snobbish. One can only see what going on if one has subscribed to= a mailing list. Many times I stumble across an interesting group in comp be= cause I was looking for something else. Who is going to stumble across a mailin= g list? That's why an inferior system like LiGnux gets so much new users. W= e need to be more vocal. I apologize in advance for the formatting of my message. I can't access m= y SMTP server from work so I have to use HTTP-based mail services. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=3D1= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 13:35:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD72015171 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:35:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id GAA11680; Tue, 11 May 1999 06:35:29 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990511063525.08748@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 06:35:25 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: "Mr.Delicious" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailing List vs Newsgroup References: <19990510201538.29656.qmail@aw164.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19990510201538.29656.qmail@aw164.netaddress.usa.net>; from Mr.Delicious on Mon, May 10, 1999 at 04:15:38PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 04:15:38PM -0400, Mr.Delicious wrote: > I am fairly new to FreeBSD (running about 3 months now) Welcome! :-) > and about the only thing i don't like about FreeBSD is the fact that > you have support through a mailing list. In fact, I hate it. I can't > read by thread or anything. Hmmm, I read list mail by thread all the time. Perhaps you need a better mail reader? I use mutt and it shows the threads beautifully. If you're stuck on a Microsoft system you might try Pegasus which is free and very good. > It also appears snobbish. One can only see what going on if one has > subscribed to a mailing list. Not so! You have a few alternatives. The FreeBSD web site's search page has a section that lets you search the mailing list archives, years of stuff for every list. But you might prefer to go to http://www.egroups.com/list/freebsd-questions where you can actually read the messages, a bit like a newsgroup :-) And you can post without subscribing. > Many times I stumble across an interesting group in comp because > I was looking for something else. Who is going to stumble across a mailing > list? That's why an inferior system like LiGnux gets so much new users. We > need to be more vocal. To my mind, if they get more users because their users like newsgroups, good on them! Newsgroups have lost their usefulness over recent years, becoming a breeding ground for spammers, trolls and flamers, and becoming so expensive to serve that in many places (outside USA no doubt) they are hard to get. But there's one main reason why support is done through a mailing list and not a newsgroup. The people who do the support, giving their professional skills for hours each day without payment, happen to prefer it. They do what they do for as long as they enjoy it, and it's in our interests to prolong that enjoyment, not shorten it. With the high quality of support we can get for free, I'm not going to start telling them to do something they find less comfortable, and I don't think you would either. Let us know if you're having any problems with the lists or email in general. -- Regards, -*Sue*- (` () '` <-- a +3 uncursed budgerigar named Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 13:39:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008CB15183 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:39:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id GAA11693; Tue, 11 May 1999 06:39:32 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990511063926.52698@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 06:39:26 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: tracc Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Very basic questions... References: <19990510195823.B55A815757@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19990510195823.B55A815757@hub.freebsd.org>; from tracc on Mon, May 10, 1999 at 03:58:11PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 03:58:11PM -0500, tracc wrote: > Heres another basic question. > I have a 3c509 ISA nic that uses IRQ 10 and base address 0x320. on > FreeBSD3.1-Release when i try to use ifconfig on the device the > system locks up. Nothing else is using this IRQ. Sorry if you've been misled. FreeBSD-Newbies is not for support, just chat. Basic questions like this are off topic for freebsd-newbies, and so are their answers. Send it to freebsd-questions and you'll get help there. Let us know if you have any trouble using the mailing lists, though. Good luck! -- Regards, -*Sue*- (` () '` <-- a +3 uncursed budgerigar named Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 13:45: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (jason02.u.washington.edu [140.142.76.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2471535D for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:44:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from durang@u.washington.edu) Received: from goodall2.u.washington.edu (durang@goodall2.u.washington.edu [140.142.12.168]) by jason02.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id NAA18372; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:44:40 -0700 Received: from localhost (durang@localhost) by goodall2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id NAA86626; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:44:39 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:44:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "K. Marsh" To: "Mr.Delicious" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailing List vs Newsgroup In-Reply-To: <19990510201538.29656.qmail@aw164.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 10 May 1999, Mr.Delicious wrote: > I am fairly new to FreeBSD (running about 3 months now) and about the only > thing i don't like about FreeBSD is the fact that you have support through a > mailing list. In fact, I hate it. I can't read by thread or anything. It also > appears snobbish. I have to chuckle reading this message. I know exactly the frustration you are going through. The freebsd-questions is monitored by some very knowledgable and involved individuals, and they have little patience for dumb questions. I was very glad when freebsd-newbies was started, but alas, newbies isn't for dumb questions either. :-(. IMO, there really needs to be a freebsd-dumbquestions list. The freebsd-questions people are not snobs, though. They just don't want to spend time helping people who have not spent any time helping themselves. If you have a question, you really should consult the man pages, the handbook, and the archives for your answer before you go live and ask the pros. You must be familiar with the man pages and handbook by now. For the archives, I get best results from www.dejanews.com. For example, I want to install bash on my system. I go to www.dejanews.com and search for "FreeBSD install bash". The second item on the search list is a detailed description from comp.unix.shell on how to install bash on a FreeBSD system. It doesn't always go this easy, but you can usually answer your own questions. One more resource that will make you independent of live tech support is Greg Lehey's book, The Complete FreeBSD. I'd get the third edition. By the way, does anyone know if edition 3 is out yet? Kenneth J. Marsh University of Washington durang@u.washington.edu Chemical Engineering To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 14:35:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE1415763 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:35:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id HAA11921; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:35:11 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990511073505.17284@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 07:35:05 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: "K. Marsh" Cc: "Mr.Delicious" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailing List vs Newsgroup References: <19990510201538.29656.qmail@aw164.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from K. Marsh on Mon, May 10, 1999 at 01:44:39PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 01:44:39PM -0700, K. Marsh wrote: > On 10 May 1999, Mr.Delicious wrote: > > I have to chuckle reading this message. I know exactly the frustration > you are going through. The freebsd-questions is monitored by some very > knowledgable and involved individuals, and they have little patience for > dumb questions. I was very glad when freebsd-newbies was started, but > alas, newbies isn't for dumb questions either. :-(. IMO, there really > needs to be a freebsd-dumbquestions list. But there is! There is! To subscribe, send a blank message to freebsd-tips-subscribe@egroups.com freebsd-tips is a list for newbies to ask "dumb" questions. Answers come from other newbies on that list, plus any non-newbies who have found the list interesting enough to subscribe and help out. Personally, I'd prefer my machine's health to be in the hands of the volunteering professionals at freebsd-questions, but not everyone is so fussy. Try it out! -- Regards, -*Sue*- (` () '` <-- a +3 uncursed budgerigar named Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 14:55:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from whizkidtech.net (r33.bfm.org [208.18.213.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D7F14EB8 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:55:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: (from adam@localhost) by whizkidtech.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id QAA00361; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:53:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:53:23 -0500 From: "G. Adam Stanislav" To: Thomas Good Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Religious Propoganda. Message-ID: <19990510165323.B313@whizkidtech.net> References: <3.0.6.32.19990509141650.00959d30@mail.bfm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Thomas Good on Mon, May 10, 1999 at 07:30:10AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 07:30:10AM -0400, Thomas Good wrote: > We seem to have had a couple instances of `fetish mail' of late. > And the `my god is bigger than your god' stuff gets pretty tedious. Hehe. I think those people need to be committed. :-) But then again, as I recently pointed out on a different list, you cannot outlaw stupidity because being stupid is a fundamental human right. > The perl-dbi mailing list blocks posts from non-subscribers... I don't think that would work here. You can find it all over the FreeBSD web site: If you have such and such question, send email to such and such address. And all of those addresses are for mailing lists. Blocking posts from non-subscribers would mean a considerable shift in the ways FreeBSD provides tech support, or any other kind of support. > > Abusus non tollit usum. > > Semper Paratus. ;-) Let's not take this ad extremum! Just in case someone does not know what abusus non tollit usum means, it translates roughly: Abuse does not justify the taking away of legitimate use. I know that classical education is lacking in the US (or is it education in general?). As the director of our local theatre recently pointed out: It will be fun watching today's kids when they get older and learn that the greatest renaissance artist was named after a teenage mutant ninja turtle. :-) Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 15: 0:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E04E14EB8 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:00:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id HAA12004; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:59:53 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990511075949.40603@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 07:59:49 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: Thomas Good , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Latin [was: Religious Propoganda.] References: <3.0.6.32.19990509141650.00959d30@mail.bfm.org> <19990510165323.B313@whizkidtech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19990510165323.B313@whizkidtech.net>; from G. Adam Stanislav on Mon, May 10, 1999 at 04:53:23PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 04:53:23PM -0500, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 07:30:10AM -0400, Thomas Good wrote: > > > > Abusus non tollit usum. > > > > Semper Paratus. ;-) > > Let's not take this ad extremum! Just in case someone does not know what > abusus non tollit usum means, it translates roughly: Abuse does not justify > the taking away of legitimate use. Ah, right. I thought it said abusers can't use the toilet. Einstein likes the other one, always a parrot? -- Regards, -*Sue*- (` () '` <-- a +3 uncursed budgerigar named Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 17:44:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta1-svc.virgin.net (mta1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AC31583D for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:44:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael.cugley@virgin.net) Received: from mike-s-box ([194.168.68.221]) by mta1-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.00.03.11 201-229-104-111) with SMTP id <19990511001132.MAZY16164.mta1-svc@mike-s-box> for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 01:11:32 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990511010646.007e3b90@mail.virgin.net> X-Sender: michael.cugley@mail.virgin.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 01:06:46 +0100 To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Michael Cugley Subject: RE: What do newbies do with FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Personally I just got it so I could run RADIANCE and remember my student days when we had a SunOS/Solaris network with X :) Plus also to get experience with setting up a Unix from scratch to pad my CV with. I keep meaning to move over from using Windows '95 (I dual-boot, with FreeBSD having a 2Gig drive of its very own), but well, I got everything working on Windows 95 before I found FreeBSD... When I'm rich (hah!) I'm gonna get myself a little FreeBSD network & admin that for the experience, and also to play RPGs with. Get a crunchy machine to act as server, and a slightly less crunchy machine to run Win 9x as a games machine... -- Mike Cugley, lunatic at large http://freespace.virgin.net/michael.cugley/ http://freespace.virgin.net/michael.cugley/Art/ Mike's Doom Quake - http://www.crosswinds.net/dundee/~korvar/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 17:49:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819DF15D10 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:49:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: (from hamellr@localhost) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id RAA23652; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:36:42 -0700 (PDT) From: rick hamell To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: freebsd-newbie Subject: Re: install Modem In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990510110918.00952e20@mail.bfm.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > It is probably possible to write a device driver for it, but from what I > have read no one has ever written one. I do not know whether it is because > no one knows the technical specifications, or because simply no one ever > decided to write it. Perhaps someone else can explain that. I think it's a combination of both. Nobody wanted to go through the trouble of getting the specs, then trying to figure out how to address low level hardware for it when it's simpler to spend an extra $30 or so for a real modem. I remeber talking to a Linux guy about it, he was really excited by the prospect at the time. About three or four weeks later he had given up on it, 'Way to much trouble to even begin it,' he said. Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 17:49:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508A315D16 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:49:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: (from hamellr@localhost) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id RAA22668; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:06:08 -0700 (PDT) From: rick hamell To: Nguyen Huu Bach Cc: freebsd-newbie Subject: Re: install Modem In-Reply-To: <003b01be99e3$12f19240$0e181c0a@archi.gifunct.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > please help. Can I install WinModem to my IBM Aptiva ??? You don't, you throw it in the trash and buy a real modem. Winmodems only work under Windows, hence the name 'WIN modem.' Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 17:49:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC39115D13 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:49:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: (from hamellr@localhost) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id RAA22905; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:13:52 -0700 (PDT) From: rick hamell Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do newbies do with FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <19990510074529.EJEI7623210.mta2-rme@wocker> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > What did you do? I jumped in head first. If I couldn't/can't figure out how to do it under FreeBSD, I don't need to do it. The only time I've booted my computer into Windows in the last year has been to play a few games. In fact I spent a good three months with a 1 gig partition sitting empty just for Windows95. :) Luckily I've been around Unix enough that I knew the basics and what I could do with it, e-mail and telnet sessions mostly. :) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 18: 4:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362CD15966 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:04:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id UAA29789; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:24:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199905110024.UAA29789@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: Very basic questions... In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990510173530.007b2350@pop.tig.com.au> from "otter@tig.com.au" at "May 10, 99 05:35:30 pm" To: otter@tig.com.au Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Speaking of religious propaganda... otter@tig.com.au wrote, > At 01:04 10-05-99 -0500, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: >[Attribution lost earlier in thread] > >> are taking advantage > >>of it, by selling a little book with the cd and avoiding violation of its > >>GNU policy by saying "The customer is not paying for Linux, they are > >>paying for the book". > > > >Actually, GNU licence explicitly says that software covered by it may be > >sold as long as it includes the source code. > > Of course, that is true of the BSD > >licence as well. But the BSD licence does not take the rights of the > >programmer away. > > How does Copyleft take the rights of the programmer away? If you want to > alter, recompile and distribute, name the compile after yourself, charge > what you like... just make the source available, to keep us from another > gates of hell type scenario. > > GNU 'free' means free speech, not free price. The thing that programmers don't like that you have left out is that the GNU license gives the recipient unlimited ability to distribute the code. If I buy your code, I can redistribute it for free or fee. I do _not_ need to alter it; I can distribute it exactly as I receive it. To quote the GNU manifesto: "GNU is not in the public domain. Everyone will be permitted to modify and redistribute GNU, but no distributor will be allowed to restrict its further redistribution. That is to say, proprietary modifications will not be allowed. I want to make sure that all versions of GNU remain free." The only thing I cannot do is restrict redistribution on what I copied/derived from GNU licensed code. And Stallman makes it clear that he means 'free price' when he says 'free.' Read the manifesto. (Before I get a response from one side or the other, this is a statement of fact with no intended editorial comment to support or oppose the GNU license.) -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 18:13:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E41051593C for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:13:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: (from hamellr@localhost) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id SAA25056; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:11:39 -0700 (PDT) From: rick hamell To: "Mr.Delicious" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailing List vs Newsgroup In-Reply-To: <19990510201538.29656.qmail@aw164.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I am fairly new to FreeBSD (running about 3 months now) and about the only > thing i don't like about FreeBSD is the fact that you have support through a Most people love it... no spam (with rare exceptions,) your message gets delivered right back to you, replies are faster, USUALLY under 30 minutes... A news server can't compete with that, especially when you're in a bind. > mailing list. In fact, I hate it. I can't read by thread or anything. It also You need to get a different mail reader then. :) Most all the Unix ones sort by thread or subject or date or whatever. > appears snobbish. One can only see what going on if one has subscribed to a > mailing list. Many times I stumble across an interesting group in comp because > I was looking for something else. Who is going to stumble across a mailing True in part. It's another source of information. > list? That's why an inferior system like LiGnux gets so much new users. We > need to be more vocal. Hmmm.. well, you might want to check out the number of mailing lists on Red Hat's site.... almost twice as many as FreeBSD. Debian seems to be almost as bad. What makes the FreeBSD mailing lists so much better to me is two-fold. 1.) The developers themselves tend to answer questions, if (and this is a BIG if,) a patch is needed, it's done in a timely matter, usually in minutes. 2.) The pure speed with which most questions get answered, nine times out of ten you can get an answer within 5 minutes, that's better then most commerical support desks. Now, you mentioned the lists seem snobbish, they are. People tend to be tired of questions that can be answered very easily. If they took the time to find the mailing list, their answer is very close. Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 20: 1: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.gfit.net (ns.gfit.net [209.41.124.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B891522E for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:01:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Received: from gizmo (timembt.iinc.com [206.67.169.229]) by mercury.gfit.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA10736 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:55:38 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990510230407.00a13ed8@mail.embt.com> X-Sender: tembt@mail.embt.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:04:07 -0400 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Tom Embt Subject: Re: install Modem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >As far as I know, you cannot. A winmodem is designed to work only under >Windows. > >It is probably possible to write a device driver for it, but from what I >have read no one has ever written one. I do not know whether it is because >no one knows the technical specifications, or because simply no one ever >decided to write it. Perhaps someone else can explain that. > >Adam >--- I will jump in here quickly - I think the fact that no-one has written a device driver for these things is *in part* because it is just plain against UNIX-type thinking. Anybody knowledable enough to write said driver realizes that handing off the modem's I/O work to the main CPU is a poor idea in terms of efficiency and effectiveness. UNIX gurus like smart peripherals (ie. SCSI drives and Postscript printers) instead of dumb peripherals (like IDE drives and PCL printers). Of course my opinion is, coming from a rural area with pathetic phone lines, that anything less than a USR Sportster is a waste of money, and a Courier is preferred. Tom Embt tom@embt.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 22:27:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from garnet.acns.fsu.edu (gmhub.acns.fsu.edu [146.201.2.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84955151F5 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 22:27:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bcc9746@garnet.acns.fsu.edu) Received: from garnet1.acns.fsu.edu (garnet1-fi.acns.fsu.edu [128.186.197.2]) by garnet.acns.fsu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA360126; Tue, 11 May 1999 01:27:19 -0400 Received: from s1o3q0 (dial230.acns.fsu.edu [146.201.32.230]) by garnet1.acns.fsu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA131070; Tue, 11 May 1999 01:27:17 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01be9b6f$0f0c6be0$e620c992@s1o3q0> From: "Brett G. Castleberry" To: "Sue Blake" Cc: "rick hamell" , , References: <3.0.5.32.19990510111738.007b0150@pop.tig.com.au> <19990510124727.42190@welearn.com.au> <004201be9aab$2bf7d560$af23c992@s1o3q0> <19990510173120.51446@welearn.com.au> Subject: Re: FreeBSD-Questions phobia [was: Very basic questions...] Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 01:28:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue: What a fine moderator you are! I think I'm really suffering from pride and a desire for it to be easier than it is. I've been a good bookman for years, and here I'm a fish out of water, flopping on the beach, trying to grow legs. I've sort of blustered my way into this unix world, and now I've got to make sense. No, Dan, I don't have a question, because I haven't done my homework. The patient, (my used 486,) has some scsi devices. I'm trying to find out whether they are supported. I'll ask at "questions" when I've looked everywhere else. The traffic on my library lists made "questions" one list too many, (if you don't get enough mail, subscribe to Stumpers-L.) The suggestion to use DejaNews is a good one. I had forgotten about DejaNews, though I think that's where I first heard of FreeBSD. But let me say that no one on either the FreeBSD or the Slackware lists has ever been other than generous and helpful. BTW, Slackware has also chosen to use a "forum" at its new site rather than usenet, for the same reasons here stated. They also have a wonderful kind of beginners' package, ZipSlack, which installs easily in a dos directory using umsdos on the hard drive or on a Zip Disk.. I wish FreeBSD had this. I don't know enough to help anybody use FreeBSD, but if you can't afford to "fossick" (great word!) about trying to find the information you need about FreeBSD, I would be willing to do searches for you and mail you the URLs. Send me your topics. at bcc9746@garnet.acns.fsu.edu. Sincerely, Brett Castleberry ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Blake To: Brett G. Castleberry Cc: rick hamell ; ; Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 3:31 AM Subject: FreeBSD-Questions phobia [was: Very basic questions...] > On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 02:05:56AM -0400, Brett G. Castleberry wrote: > > > FreeBSD. As a really new newbie, I was glad to find a site just for us. > > But as a newbie, most of what I have to say is questions. Sometimes I want > > to know about something and I think, "It's a question, so I ought to post it > > to 'questions', but I 'll sound like an idiot there. And I can't post it to > > 'newbies' because they don't want questions." > > In that case you post to -questions, and if anyone dares laugh at you > I'll have my attack-trained budgerigar drop its little presents all > over their keyboard! (You gotta see what he does to believe it, ugh!) > > Do give freebsd-questions a go. We are no less eligible for the best > support available than any other members of the community, whatever our > needs are. As long as you show that you've made a reasonable effort to > help yourself, and provide sufficient information for someone to give > you an answer, nobody cares how beginnerish the question is, seriously! > You know, there's people who hang out in freebsd-questions for weeks, > just waiting for a question that's easy enough for them to answer. You > might be in that situation yourself soon, so don't be selfish, share > your questions on the -questions list while they're easy ones! :-) > > Oh occasionally there's a dork, as there is in every large group, but > if you ever do get a hard time at least you can come back here and let > off steam about it with us because, *because* we don't do support on > this list. We're (theoretically) all only newbies here and if you're > feeling a bit upset about how non-newbies react it's kinda nice to be > able to thrash things out away from the inspection of the helpers > (including those who might happily help you next time round). > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > (` > () > '` <-- a +3 uncursed budgerigar named Einstein > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 10 22:42:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from chopin.seattleu.edu (chopin.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9319F15444 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 22:42:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hodeleri@seattleu.edu) Received: from seattleu.edu ([172.17.41.90]) by chopin.seattleu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA25616; Mon, 10 May 1999 22:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3737C300.D79F5CDB@seattleu.edu> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:41:20 -0700 From: Eric Hodel Organization: Dis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Brett G. Castleberry" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD-Questions phobia [was: Very basic questions...] References: <3.0.5.32.19990510111738.007b0150@pop.tig.com.au> <19990510124727.42190@welearn.com.au> <004201be9aab$2bf7d560$af23c992@s1o3q0> <19990510173120.51446@welearn.com.au> <001e01be9b6f$0f0c6be0$e620c992@s1o3q0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Brett G. Castleberry" wrote: > They also have a wonderful kind of beginners' package, ZipSlack, > which installs easily in a dos directory using umsdos on the hard drive or > on a Zip Disk.. I wish FreeBSD had this. Its in the makings under http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/small.html If you have complete source, you can go to /usr/src/release/picobsd and compile several 1.44MB purpose-build floppies for use. -- Eric Hodel hodeleri@seattleu.edu "If you understand what you're doing, you're not learning anything." -- A. L. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 11 5:16: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from makita.cc.gifu-nct.ac.jp (iwato.gifu-nct.ac.jp [202.223.137.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D70771551B for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 05:16:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bachng@mail.com) Received: from shosho.archi.gifunct.ac.jp (shosho.archi.gifu-nct.ac.jp [10.28.24.14]) by makita.cc.gifu-nct.ac.jp (2.0 Build 2131 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA06121 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 21:15:58 +0900 Message-ID: <013901be9ade$da218680$0e181c0a@archi.gifunct.ac.jp> Reply-To: "Nguyen Huu Bach" From: "Nguyen Huu Bach" To: "freebsd-newbie" Subject: wrong date ??? Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:15:53 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My computer's date (exactly the time ) is always wrong after FreeBSD installed. Whats the problem , please To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 11 7:29:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF155159AD for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:29:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id AAA14992; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:28:58 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990512002853.31661@welearn.com.au> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 00:28:54 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FWD: Victoria's FreeBSD User Group (VicFUG) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For those Aussies who don't follow freebsd-advocacy. I think this is the third Oz user group to spring up in the last few weeks. The Sydney group has its first meeting this Sunday, send a blank message to bugs-info@welearn.com.au for details. -----Forwarded message from Joel Sutton ----- Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:29:32 +1000 (EST) From: Joel Sutton To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, user-groups@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Victoria's FreeBSD User Group (VicFUG) Greetings all, This is a quick one to let you know that VicFUG, Victoria's FreeBSD User Group in Australia, now has an operational web site and mailing list. At the moment we're concentrating on generating interest rather than having meetings but the day is fast approaching. Take a look at: http://www.vicfug.au.freebsd.org/ If you know of anyone who might be interested in this group can you please forward this email to them. Comments & suggestions are welcome. Cheers, Joel... --- Joel Sutton | Busy Bee Consulting Phone: 0409 426-563 | Melbourne, Australia Email: jsutton@genesis.net.au | http://www.genesis.net.au/~jsutton VicFUG Webmaster/Acting President | http://www.vicfug.au.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -----End of forwarded message----- -- Regards, -*Sue*- (` () '` <-- a +3 uncursed budgerigar named Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 11 7:40:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F16D14E48 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:40:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id AAA15034; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:40:17 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990512004011.26819@welearn.com.au> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 00:40:11 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FWD: Victoria's FreeBSD User Group (VicFUG) References: <19990512002853.31661@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19990512002853.31661@welearn.com.au>; from Sue Blake on Wed, May 12, 1999 at 12:28:54AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 12, 1999 at 12:28:54AM +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > For those Aussies who don't follow freebsd-advocacy. I think this is > the third Oz user group to spring up in the last few weeks. > The Sydney group has its first meeting this Sunday, send a blank > message to bugs-info@welearn.com.au for details. (Oops, the budgie hit the send key too early, honest! :-) ... and the Brisbane and Adelaide groups are already in the list on the FreeBSD web site (http://www.freebsd.org/support.html#user), worth checking every now and then for a group in your area. -- Regards, -*Sue*- (` () '` <-- a +3 uncursed budgerigar named Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 11 8:41:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from toledo.uswest.net (operations-dialup11.oss.uswest.net [209.180.23.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417AB15A6B for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:41:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nitebirdz@uswest.net) Received: from uswest.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by toledo.uswest.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA00759; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:44:49 -0500 Message-ID: <37385071.B5346762@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:44:49 -0500 From: Nitebirdz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: EinreinM@hurlburt.af.mil Subject: Re: configuring a modem References: <89A9DA446D81D2118163022048400E83DE5D6D@exwncc001.hurlburt.af.mil> <373395A6.33B2DD28@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Noah Pratt wrote: > > EinreinM@hurlburt.af.mil wrote: > > > > How do I get my PnP modem to work in FreeBSD so that I may then use PPP in > > the KDE environment? I tried using minicom but got errors saying using > > default configuration file, unable to find device. > > > > I purchased an inexpensive emachine and installed FreeBSD 3.1 on it, > -------------------- > >From this alone, I can pretty much guarantee that you wound up with a Lucent > chipset, PCI "Winmodem." I've seen far too many of these things than is > healthy. These particular modems are even less expensive than 33.6Kb/s "real" > modems, and are therefore the only types ever included in complete systems > now. Even top-of-the-line, brand-name computer systems that ship with > brand-name 3COM/USR modems have the Winmodem version. I recommend you throw > it out the nearest MSWindow. > > -Noah > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message I agree that this is most likely a WinModem, which you will not be able to make work with FreeBSD or Linux for that matter. However, I also ran into a similar problem with my perfectly good and "real" 33.6 modem sometime ago. It turned out that it came from the factory with the jumpers or switches already set for PnP... assuming that any user would be running it in Windows. I had to read the manual, and change the jumpers to speficy which port I wanted it to work with in Linux. Hope this helps. Nitebirdz -- It's not too late to turn back from the "Gates" of Hell... Linux: the free 32-bit operating system, available NOW. Why waaaaaait for NT? (Brandon S. Allbery) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 11 10:37:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from b.mx.crl.com (bmx.crl.com [165.113.1.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DD714D87 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:37:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anarchy@crl.com) Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by b.mx.crl.com (8.8.7/) via SMTP id KAA11136; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:37:08 -0700 (PDT) env-from (anarchy@crl.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:37:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Manes To: Nguyen Huu Bach Cc: freebsd-newbie Subject: Re: wrong date ??? In-Reply-To: <013901be9ade$da218680$0e181c0a@archi.gifunct.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > My computer's date (exactly the time ) is always wrong after FreeBSD > installed. Whats the problem , please wow.. send that one to questions. i could only makes guesses here, and if it is freebsd, they'll know. offhand I'd guess that you setup the time on instillation incorrectly(GMT perhaps). Anyways, send it to them - they'll have a fix. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 11 11:30: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6484714F89 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:29:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from npratt@mail.com) Received: from mail.com (ppp198-75.ecom.net [207.138.198.75]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA18246; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37387761.8D68D8A5@mail.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 11:30:57 -0700 From: Noah Pratt Organization: AlphaBit Computer Systems & Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Cugley Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do newbies do with FreeBSD? References: <3.0.5.32.19990511010646.007e3b90@mail.virgin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey, hey, hey! This is a newbiews group! All this techno-jargon is going straight over my head. Seriously, could you clue in a moron? What's RADIANCE? What's a CV, and how do you pad it? (I'm assuming it's not a constant-velocity joint from a front-wheel drive car.) And what exactly does crunchy mean? Maybe you should have some milk along with your computers... -Dumb er, -Noah Michael Cugley wrote: > > Personally I just got it so I could run RADIANCE and remember my student > days when we had a SunOS/Solaris network with X :) Plus also to get > experience with setting up a Unix from scratch to pad my CV with. > > I keep meaning to move over from using Windows '95 (I dual-boot, with > FreeBSD having a 2Gig drive of its very own), but well, I got everything > working on Windows 95 before I found FreeBSD... > > When I'm rich (hah!) I'm gonna get myself a little FreeBSD network & admin > that for the experience, and also to play RPGs with. Get a crunchy machine > to act as server, and a slightly less crunchy machine to run Win 9x as a > games machine... > > -- > Mike Cugley, lunatic at large To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 11 12:48:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FAB8155AE for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:48:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker ([210.55.152.128]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990511195022.SQHU7471167.mta1-rme@wocker>; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:50:22 +1200 From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary To: Noah Pratt Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 07:48:12 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: What do newbies do with FreeBSD? Reply-To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <37387761.8D68D8A5@mail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990511195022.SQHU7471167.mta1-rme@wocker> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 11 May 99, at 11:30, Noah Pratt wrote: > What's a CV, and how do you pad it? Cirriculum Vitae (a resume). Should be in your dictionary. > And what exactly > does crunchy mean? Maybe you should have some milk along with your > computers... Crunchy as in number cruncher. Fast. -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/freebsd/ NZ FreeBSD User Group - http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/ The Racing System - http://www.racingsystem.com/racingsystem.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 11 13:25:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from whizkidtech.net (r4.bfm.org [208.18.213.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3949514BFD for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:25:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: (from adam@localhost) by whizkidtech.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id PAA00311 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:25:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:24:58 -0500 From: "G. Adam Stanislav" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Newbie tip Message-ID: <19990511152458.A299@whizkidtech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here's a newbie tip: If you want to log out and want to remove all traces of you, or anyone, having used the console, enter the following at the prompt: % clear;logout It must be done all on one line. The first command "clear" will clear the screen. The ";" tells the shell you have another command coming. The second command "logout" will log you out. The FreeBSD screen will then look as if no one had ever logged in. Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 11 13:46: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hades.riverstyx.net (hq-port-89.harbour-dhcp-pool.infinetgroup.com [207.23.37.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF58514DA9 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:45:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unknown@riverstyx.net) Received: from localhost (unknown@localhost) by hades.riverstyx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29084; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:51:23 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:51:23 -0700 (PDT) From: To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip In-Reply-To: <19990511152458.A299@whizkidtech.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Or put 'clear' in your .logout script. If you hit scroll-lock and hit page up, won't that show you what you were doing? Or is that just a Linux trait? --- tani hosokawa river styx internet On Tue, 11 May 1999, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > Here's a newbie tip: > > If you want to log out and want to remove all traces of you, or anyone, > having used the console, enter the following at the prompt: > > % clear;logout > > It must be done all on one line. The first command "clear" will clear the > screen. The ";" tells the shell you have another command coming. The second > command "logout" will log you out. > > The FreeBSD screen will then look as if no one had ever logged in. > > Adam > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 11 14: 2:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B295215C44 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:02:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker ([210.55.152.128]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990511210426.TQBO7623210.mta2-rme@wocker>; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:04:26 +1200 From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary To: Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:02:18 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Newbie tip Reply-To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990511152458.A299@whizkidtech.net> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990511210426.TQBO7623210.mta2-rme@wocker> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 11 May 99, at 13:51, unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: > Or put 'clear' in your .logout script. If you hit scroll-lock and hit > page up, won't that show you what you were doing? Or is that just a Linux > trait? Why not try it and tell the group? -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/freebsd/ NZ FreeBSD User Group - http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/ The Racing System - http://www.racingsystem.com/racingsystem.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 11 14:58:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hades.riverstyx.net (hq-port-89.harbour-dhcp-pool.infinetgroup.com [207.23.37.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A9661518B for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:58:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unknown@riverstyx.net) Received: from localhost (unknown@localhost) by hades.riverstyx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30271; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:04:21 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:04:21 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Dan Langille Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip In-Reply-To: <19990511210426.TQBO7623210.mta2-rme@wocker> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't have console access to any FreeBSD machines that I work with, unfortunately... --- tani hosokawa river styx internet On Wed, 12 May 1999, Dan Langille wrote: > On 11 May 99, at 13:51, unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: > > > Or put 'clear' in your .logout script. If you hit scroll-lock and hit > > page up, won't that show you what you were doing? Or is that just a Linux > > trait? > > Why not try it and tell the group? > -- > Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited > The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/freebsd/ > NZ FreeBSD User Group - http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/ > The Racing System - http://www.racingsystem.com/racingsystem.htm > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 11 15:47:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from whizkidtech.net (r22.bfm.org [208.18.213.118]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6AAB14FDA for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:47:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: (from adam@localhost) by whizkidtech.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id RAA00256; Tue, 11 May 1999 17:47:24 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 17:46:53 -0500 From: "G. Adam Stanislav" To: unknown@riverstyx.net Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip Message-ID: <19990511174653.A231@whizkidtech.net> References: <19990511152458.A299@whizkidtech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from unknown@riverstyx.net on Tue, May 11, 1999 at 01:51:23PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, May 11, 1999 at 01:51:23PM -0700, unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: > Or put 'clear' in your .logout script. Yes, but that will clear the screen every time, not only when you want. > If you hit scroll-lock and hit > page up, won't that show you what you were doing? OK, so it won't clear all traces (I just checked, you're right). But it will still leave the screen clean. I like doing that, not so much to cover up I was there, but rather when I want to start the next logon with a clean screen. It helps me keep the screen organized better. > Or is that just a Linux trait? Actually, I once suggested to a Linux user to hit scroll lock and use the page up key. He told me it does not work that way under Linux - it just freezes the screen. BTW, did you notice the pause key has the same effect as scroll lock? Although, it may depend on whichever key map you are using. Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 11 15:48:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darren.hagens.ab.ca (edtntnt1-port-392.agt.net [161.184.193.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B2D14FDA for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:48:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkwiebe@telusplanet.net) Received: from telusplanet.net (localhost.hagens.ab.ca [127.0.0.1]) by darren.hagens.ab.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA02065 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:50:45 GMT (envelope-from dkwiebe@telusplanet.net) Message-ID: <37385FE4.D9A1B409@telusplanet.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 16:50:44 +0000 From: Darren Wiebe Organization: Hagen Homes Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello: I just tried it, and I can see that I was logged in previously. Darren Wiebe unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: > I don't have console access to any FreeBSD machines that I work with, > unfortunately... > > --- > tani hosokawa > river styx internet > > On Wed, 12 May 1999, Dan Langille wrote: > > > On 11 May 99, at 13:51, unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: > > > > > Or put 'clear' in your .logout script. If you hit scroll-lock and hit > > > page up, won't that show you what you were doing? Or is that just a Linux > > > trait? > > > > Why not try it and tell the group? > > -- > > Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited > > The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/freebsd/ > > NZ FreeBSD User Group - http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/ > > The Racing System - http://www.racingsystem.com/racingsystem.htm > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 11 18:55: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141A8151F7 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:55:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: from akane (ppp71.pm3-0.pdx.dsinw.com [207.149.41.71]) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA08192 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 18:49:56 -0700 () From: Rick Hamell Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FWD: Victoria's FreeBSD User Group (VicFUG) In-Reply-To: <19990512004011.26819@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: hamellr@dsinw.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > For those Aussies who don't follow freebsd-advocacy. I think this is > > the third Oz user group to spring up in the last few weeks. > > The Sydney group has its first meeting this Sunday, send a blank > > message to bugs-info@welearn.com.au for details. I think it's great that we're starting to see so many more groups! Three down there in Oz, the one I'm starting, many people on my list (http:/www.grendal.org/freebsd/ug.html) have started groups too. :) At least four or five... Now.... we just need topics to discuss and people to speak about 'em! :) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 11 19:15:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from chopin.seattleu.edu (chopin.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73F514E04 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 19:15:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hodeleri@seattleu.edu) Received: from seattleu.edu ([172.17.41.90]) by chopin.seattleu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28936; Tue, 11 May 1999 19:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3738E3E5.6434D5A3@seattleu.edu> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:13:57 -0700 From: Eric Hodel Organization: Dis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: unknown@riverstyx.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip References: <19990511152458.A299@whizkidtech.net> <19990511174653.A231@whizkidtech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "G. Adam Stanislav" wrote: > BTW, did you notice the pause key has the same effect as scroll lock? > Although, it may depend on whichever key map you are using. It has something to do with the AT keyboard mapping for older keyboards. PrintScreen switches virtual consoles, like Alt-F1, Alt-F2, Alt-F3, Alt-F1... -- Eric Hodel hodeleri@seattleu.edu "If you understand what you're doing, you're not learning anything." -- A. L. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 11 19:22:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7A714E04 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 19:22:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: from akane (ppp71.pm3-0.pdx.dsinw.com [207.149.41.71]) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA09143; Tue, 11 May 1999 19:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:17:28 -0700 () From: Rick Hamell To: unknown@riverstyx.net Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-X-Sender: hamellr@dsinw.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I don't have console access to any FreeBSD machines that I work with, > unfortunately... Time to pull that ol' 486 out of the closet then.... *grin* Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 11 21:22:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from arwana.untan.ac.id (arwana.untan.ac.id [167.205.153.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5126A14DDB for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 21:16:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from odhienx@arwana.untan.ac.id) Received: from localhost (odhienx@localhost) by arwana.untan.ac.id with SMTP id KAA13242 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:32:00 +0700 (JAVT) (envelope-from odhienx@arwana.untan.ac.id) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:31:47 +0700 (JAVT) From: yang baru belajar To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: watch Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org how to make watch can work... i try to run watch... (watch -Wi /dev/ttyp*) watch: fatal cannot open snoop device please explain me :-) -newbies- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 11 21:39:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from chopin.seattleu.edu (chopin.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB7115254 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 21:39:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hodeleri@seattleu.edu) Received: from seattleu.edu ([172.17.41.90]) by chopin.seattleu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA18730; Tue, 11 May 1999 21:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <373903D0.10E9E9A4@seattleu.edu> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 21:30:08 -0700 From: Eric Hodel Organization: Dis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: yang baru belajar Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: watch References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org yang baru belajar wrote: > > how to make watch can work... > > i try to run watch... (watch -Wi /dev/ttyp*) > > watch: fatal cannot open snoop device > > please explain me :-) This is a question best suited for questions, but I'll be nice. First you need to add the snoop device to your kernel, then recompile it. The snoop device is: pseudo-device snp 3 #3 snoop devices The number is not mandatory, it just specifies how many snoop devices you want. After adding the snp line to your kernel, config, compile, and install the kernel, then reboot. After rebooting, as root: cd /dev ./MAKEDEV snp3 or however many snp devices you specified. Then you will be able to: watch -Wi /dev/ttyp0 successfully. Kernel recompilation is covered in the handbook. -- Eric Hodel hodeleri@seattleu.edu "If you understand what you're doing, you're not learning anything." -- A. L. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 11 21:53:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from blues.ghis.net (as1f-9.wag.interact.net.au [203.37.48.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0679115A44 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 21:53:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@blues.ghis.net) Received: (from jim@localhost) by blues.ghis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA53285; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:29:57 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:29:57 +1000 From: Jim Mock To: yang baru belajar Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: watch Message-ID: <19990512142957.A53249@blues.ghis.net> Reply-To: jim@blues.ghis.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 12 May 1999 at 10:31:47 +0700, yang baru belajar wrote: > how to make watch can work... > > i try to run watch... (watch -Wi /dev/ttyp*) > > watch: fatal cannot open snoop device > > please explain me :-) In the future, please post stuff like this to -questions. It doesn't belong on -newbies. Now for the answer to your question, in order to use watch, you need the snoop device compiled into your kernel. Add the following line, then recompile.. pseudo-device snp 3 #Snoop device -- - Jim Mock - jim@blues.ghis.net - systems administrator - ghis.NET - - work: http://www.ghis.net/ - personal: http://www.ghis.net/~jim/ - - FreeBSD 'zine: http://www.freebsdzine.org/ - jim@freebsdzine.org - - FreeBSD: http://advocacy.freebsd.org/ - jim@advocacy.FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 11 22:12:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from Ngate.in.tatainfotech.com (unknown [202.54.102.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA3914BD3 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 22:12:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hardeep.parmar@tatainfotech.com) Received: from nepzmail.in.tatainfotech.com ([163.122.23.5]) by Ngate.in.tatainfotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA19360 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 01:12:46 -0400 Received: from SYBCO046 ([163.122.23.96]) by nepzmail.in.tatainfotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA17531 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:41:00 +0530 Received: by SYBCO046 with Microsoft Mail id <01BE9C64.24424CA0@SYBCO046>; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:42:33 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE9C64.24424CA0@SYBCO046> From: Hardeep Singh To: freebsd-newbie , "'Nguyen Huu Bach'" Subject: RE: wrong date ??? Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:42:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>Pls check your BIOS date Have you checked up with date command? ---------- From: Nguyen Huu Bach Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 5:45 PM To: freebsd-newbie Subject: wrong date ??? <> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 11 22:23: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from makita.cc.gifu-nct.ac.jp (iwato.gifu-nct.ac.jp [202.223.137.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4570714D29 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 22:23:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bachng@mail.com) Received: from shosho.archi.gifunct.ac.jp (shosho.archi.gifu-nct.ac.jp [10.28.24.14]) by makita.cc.gifu-nct.ac.jp (2.0 Build 2131 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA06447; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:21:43 +0900 Message-ID: <001601be9b6e$27408440$0e181c0a@archi.gifunct.ac.jp> Reply-To: "Nguyen Huu Bach" From: "Nguyen Huu Bach" To: "Hardeep Singh" , "freebsd-newbie" , "'Nguyen Huu Bach'" References: <01BE9C64.24424CA0@SYBCO046> Subject: Re: wrong date ??? Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:21:40 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org yes I did. But it seems that the time is still wrong after resetting the computer. IBM Aptiva is that the problem ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Hardeep Singh To: freebsd-newbie ; 'Nguyen Huu Bach' Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 7:42 PM Subject: RE: wrong date ??? > >>Pls check your BIOS date > Have you checked up with date command? > ---------- > From: Nguyen Huu Bach > Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 5:45 PM > To: freebsd-newbie > Subject: wrong date ??? > > <> > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 12 0:52:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F1215CA8 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:52:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id RAA18735; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:51:20 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990512175116.40014@welearn.com.au> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:51:17 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Eric Hodel , jim@blues.ghis.net Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: watch References: <373903D0.10E9E9A4@seattleu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <373903D0.10E9E9A4@seattleu.edu>; from Eric Hodel on Tue, May 11, 1999 at 09:30:08PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org All you needed to do was change -newbies to -questions when you replied, retaining the cc: to the original poster of course. Simple, and it's still "being nice". I can be nice too, so I did it for you this time :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- (` () '` <-- a +1 budgerigar named Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 12 1: 2:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5823814D18 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 01:02:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Networks.Manager@rncm.ac.uk) Received: from fs1.rncm.ac.uk ([193.63.96.100]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 10hTyf-000FSy-00; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:02:53 +0100 Received: from RNCM-FS1/MAILQUEUE by fs1.rncm.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 12 May 99 08:51:32 GMT Received: from MAILQUEUE by RNCM-FS1 (Mercury 1.44); 12 May 99 08:51:24 GMT Received: from rncm.ac.uk (193.63.96.102) by fs1.rncm.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 12 May 99 08:51:20 GMT Received: from RNCM-FS3/SpoolDir by rncm.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 12 May 99 09:02:42 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by RNCM-FS3 (Mercury 1.44); 12 May 99 09:02:35 GMT Received: from brick (193.63.96.36) by rncm.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 12 May 99 09:02:31 GMT From: "Peter McGarvey" To: Cc: Subject: RE: What do newbies do with FreeBSD? Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:02:48 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01be9c4d$d3360420$24603fc1@brick.it-dept.rncm.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990511010646.007e3b90@mail.virgin.net> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Personally I just got it so I could run RADIANCE and remember my student > days when we had a SunOS/Solaris network with X :) Plus also to get > experience with setting up a Unix from scratch to pad my CV with. Okay, I know this is a FreeBSD list, but seeing as you've used Solaris you may be interested to know that you can get Solaris 7 running on an Intel platform. Also... Sun are giving away Solaris. I got mine totally free 'coz they were doing a seperate promotion in the UK which they have since stopped. However, for P&P you can still get a copy from the USA. TTFN, FNORD -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Peter McGarvey, Networks Manager | email: Networks.Manager@rncm.ac.uk Royal Northern College of Music | tel: +44 (0)161 907 5218 124 Oxford Road, Manchester, | fax: +44 (0)161 273 7611 England M13 9RD | mobile: +44 (0)7887 990564 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 12 7:11:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from internetnewsnetwork.com (dt0a6nc0.san.rr.com [204.210.49.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A3DB15D60 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:11:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wevmaster@internetnewsnetwork.com) Received: from InternetNEWSNETwork.com [204.210.43.153] by internetnewsnetwork.com (FTGate 2, 1, 2, 1); Wed, 12 May 99 07:14:41 -0700 Message-ID: <37398E6B.E3D2922B@InternetNEWSNETwork.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 07:21:31 -0700 From: WeVmaster@InternetNEWSNETwork.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-question@freebsd.org Subject: Simple Unix Shell Account Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am looking for a simple Unix Shell Account preferably outside the US. Can someone from this group assist me in finding such a Unix Shell Account ? I found a great list, but none outside the US. see: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Way/2183/uspl.html Thanks, Jeffery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 12 9:17:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tasam.com (tasam.com [206.161.83.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809D0151B7; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:17:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from korvus@tasam.com) Received: from localhost (korvus@localhost) by tasam.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA10768; Wed, 12 May 1999 12:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:17:19 -0500 (EST) From: korvus To: WeVmaster@InternetNEWSNETwork.com Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-question@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Simple Unix Shell Account In-Reply-To: <37398E6B.E3D2922B@InternetNEWSNETwork.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Why do you need it to be outside of the US? I know in the US, a friend of mine runs tasam.com which provides anonymous shell accounts and web hosting. Maybe they might have what you need? On Wed, 12 May 1999 WeVmaster@InternetNEWSNETwork.com wrote: > Hello, > > I am looking for a simple Unix Shell Account > preferably outside the US. > > Can someone from this group assist me in > finding such a Unix Shell Account ? > > I found a great list, but none outside the US. > see: > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Way/2183/uspl.html > > Thanks, Jeffery > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 12 20:18:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hades.riverstyx.net (hq-port-89.harbour-dhcp-pool.infinetgroup.com [207.23.37.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D13115047 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:18:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unknown@riverstyx.net) Received: from localhost (unknown@localhost) by hades.riverstyx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14080; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:24:03 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:24:03 -0700 (PDT) From: To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip In-Reply-To: <19990511174653.A231@whizkidtech.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 11 May 1999, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > On Tue, May 11, 1999 at 01:51:23PM -0700, unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: > > Or put 'clear' in your .logout script. > Yes, but that will clear the screen every time, not only when you want. > > If you hit scroll-lock and hit > > page up, won't that show you what you were doing? > OK, so it won't clear all traces (I just checked, you're right). But it will > still leave the screen clean. I like doing that, not so much to cover up I was > there, but rather when I want to start the next logon with a clean screen. It > helps me keep the screen organized better. If you do want to clear your tracks a little more, switching to a different vconsole and back should do the trick. > > Or is that just a Linux trait? > Actually, I once suggested to a Linux user to hit scroll lock and use the page > up key. He told me it does not work that way under Linux - it just freezes the > screen. Under Linux, it's shift-pgup and shift-pgdn > BTW, did you notice the pause key has the same effect as scroll lock? Although, > it may depend on whichever key map you are using. --- tani hosokawa river styx internet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 12 20:24: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hades.riverstyx.net (hq-port-89.harbour-dhcp-pool.infinetgroup.com [207.23.37.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B01A14DAB for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:24:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unknown@riverstyx.net) Received: from localhost (unknown@localhost) by hades.riverstyx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14247; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:30:12 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:30:12 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Rick Hamell Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've already got that old 486 from the closet doing work for me :) --- tani hosokawa river styx internet On Tue, 11 May 1999, Rick Hamell wrote: > > > I don't have console access to any FreeBSD machines that I work with, > > unfortunately... > > Time to pull that ol' 486 out of the closet then.... *grin* > > > > Rick > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 12 20:43: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113DE14DAB for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:42:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id NAA22825; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:42:45 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990513134240.36118@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:42:41 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: unknown@riverstyx.net Cc: Rick Hamell , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from unknown@riverstyx.net on Wed, May 12, 1999 at 08:30:12PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 12, 1999 at 08:30:12PM -0700, unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: > On Tue, 11 May 1999, Rick Hamell wrote: > > > > > I don't have console access to any FreeBSD machines that I work with, > > > unfortunately... > > > > Time to pull that ol' 486 out of the closet then.... *grin* > > I've already got that old 486 from the closet doing work for me :) OK, then use the 386. -- Regards, -*Sue*- (` ;) '` <-- a moulting +0 budgerigar named Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 12 21:15:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hades.riverstyx.net (hq-port-89.harbour-dhcp-pool.infinetgroup.com [207.23.37.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9EC914C14 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:15:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unknown@riverstyx.net) Received: from localhost (unknown@localhost) by hades.riverstyx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15241; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:21:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:21:26 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Sue Blake Cc: Rick Hamell , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip In-Reply-To: <19990513134240.36118@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The 386 has already been scavenged for important parts (like RAM, processor, bits of gold wire... :-)) --- tani hosokawa river styx internet On Thu, 13 May 1999, Sue Blake wrote: > On Wed, May 12, 1999 at 08:30:12PM -0700, unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: > > On Tue, 11 May 1999, Rick Hamell wrote: > > > > > > > I don't have console access to any FreeBSD machines that I work with, > > > > unfortunately... > > > > > > Time to pull that ol' 486 out of the closet then.... *grin* > > > > I've already got that old 486 from the closet doing work for me :) > > OK, then use the 386. > > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > (` > ;) > '` <-- a moulting +0 budgerigar named Einstein > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 12 23:40:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from kyle.adultonline.net.au (unknown [203.46.58.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 48E6E153A0 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 23:40:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opec@wtfrc.com) Received: (qmail 7405 invoked from network); 13 May 1999 16:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wtfrc.com) (203.46.58.246) by kyle.adultonline.net.au with SMTP; 13 May 1999 16:40:17 -0000 Message-ID: <373B012E.53304FE@wtfrc.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:43:26 +0000 From: Opec Kemp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Time Zone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi I was wondering how do I set my timezone ?. I need to be able to do this as some application are reporting incorrect time. Thank you To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 12 23:45:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5AF153BE for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 23:45:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker ([210.55.152.128]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990513064746.LVWW7471167.mta1-rme@wocker>; Thu, 13 May 1999 18:47:46 +1200 From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary To: Opec Kemp Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:45:35 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Time Zone Reply-To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <373B012E.53304FE@wtfrc.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990513064746.LVWW7471167.mta1-rme@wocker> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 13 May 99, at 16:43, Opec Kemp wrote: > Hi I was wondering how do I set my timezone ?. I need to be able to do > this as some application are reporting incorrect time. run /stand/sysinstall select Configure slelect 3 (time zone) -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/freebsd/ NZ FreeBSD User Group - http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/ The Racing System - http://www.racingsystem.com/racingsystem.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 13 0:43:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA3D15415 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 00:43:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker ([210.55.152.128]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990513074539.MGIC7471167.mta1-rme@wocker>; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:45:39 +1200 From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary To: Opec Kemp Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 19:43:27 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Time Zone Reply-To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <373B0481.72F96F06@wtfrc.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990513074539.MGIC7471167.mta1-rme@wocker> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 13 May 99, at 16:57, Opec Kemp wrote: > Dan Langille wrote: > > > > On 13 May 99, at 16:43, Opec Kemp wrote: > > > > > Hi I was wondering how do I set my timezone ?. I need to be able to do > > > this as some application are reporting incorrect time. > > > > run /stand/sysinstall > > select Configure > > slelect 3 (time zone) Please keep messages CC'd to the list. If you do, corrections are easily made by others and your questions will be answered by others. If I don't read my mail for days, you'll be left waiting. > Is it possible to set the time zone any otherway ie from the command > line. The problem I;m having is that > the DB i'm using (MySQL) reports a wrong time. So, from the Doco it said > to set the timezone variables when I run the DB server. Is there an > environmental variables that I can set?. In Linux it is TZ but, I'm new to > FreeBSD and I have tried to do the same but it has no effect. I don't know. -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/freebsd/ NZ FreeBSD User Group - http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/ The Racing System - http://www.racingsystem.com/racingsystem.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 13 6:32:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rascal.honk.org (cr523413-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.177.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E70DB14DB3 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 06:32:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Received: from localhost (mpoulin@localhost) by rascal.honk.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA01428; Thu, 13 May 1999 09:42:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:42:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin To: Dan Langille Cc: Opec Kemp , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Time Zone In-Reply-To: <19990513074539.MGIC7471167.mta1-rme@wocker> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 13 May 1999, Dan Langille wrote: > On 13 May 99, at 16:57, Opec Kemp wrote: > > > Dan Langille wrote: > > > > > > On 13 May 99, at 16:43, Opec Kemp wrote: > > > > > > > Hi I was wondering how do I set my timezone ?. I need to be able to do > > > > this as some application are reporting incorrect time. > > > > > > run /stand/sysinstall > > > select Configure > > > slelect 3 (time zone) > > Please keep messages CC'd to the list. If you do, corrections are easily > made by others and your questions will be answered by others. If I don't read > my mail for days, you'll be left waiting. > > > Is it possible to set the time zone any otherway ie from the command > > line. The problem I;m having is that > > the DB i'm using (MySQL) reports a wrong time. So, from the Doco it said > > to set the timezone variables when I run the DB server. Is there an > > environmental variables that I can set?. In Linux it is TZ but, I'm new to > > FreeBSD and I have tried to do the same but it has no effect. > > I don't know. But I'll bet they know in -questions. M. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 13 8:11:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E6014CCA for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 08:11:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r36.bfm.org [208.18.213.132]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id LAA01618; Thu, 13 May 1999 11:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990513101133.0095e3e0@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:11:33 -0500 To: From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Newbie tip Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <19990511174653.A231@whizkidtech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 20:24 12-05-1999 -0700, unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: >If you do want to clear your tracks a little more, switching to a >different vconsole and back should do the trick. Can you elaborate on that one? By switching to a different vconsole, do you mean pressing Alt-F2 and then Alt-F1 again? >> Actually, I once suggested to a Linux user to hit scroll lock and use the page >> up key. He told me it does not work that way under Linux - it just freezes the >> screen. > >Under Linux, it's shift-pgup and shift-pgdn OK, thanks. If the topic arises in my conversation with him again, I will mention that to him. Adam --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 13 9: 2:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from firewall.ousd.k12.ca.us (firewall.ousd.k12.ca.us [198.94.127.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E715F14F3F for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 09:02:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chenx@ousd.k12.ca.us) Received: from ousdmail.ousd.k12.ca.us by firewall.ousd.k12.ca.us (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA06944; Thu, 13 May 1999 09:00:13 -0700 Received: from MIS70 by ousdmail.ousd.k12.ca.us (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA25892; Thu, 13 May 1999 08:49:12 -0700 Message-ID: <000701be9d58$d90021e0$8a415ec6@MIS70.ousd.k12.ca.us> From: "Xiang B. Chen" To: Subject: Boot problem Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 08:54:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE9D1E.29293A20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE9D1E.29293A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Whe I'm installing FreeBSD in a 486 PC. After loading files from an FTP = machine and enterred the root password, the machine automatically = restart. The screen shows:=20 F1...BSD Default: F1 F!...BSD Default: F? From there I cannot go anywhere. Could you give me some glues or = instructions as for why it is doing this and how to make my FREEBSD boot = correctly. 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Whe I'm installing FreeBSD in a 486 = PC. After=20 loading files from an FTP machine and enterred the root password, the = machine=20 automatically restart. The screen shows:
 
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From there I cannot go anywhere. = Could you give=20 me some glues or instructions as for why it is doing this and how to = make my=20 FREEBSD boot correctly.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE9D1E.29293A20-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 13 11:43:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hades.riverstyx.net (hq-port-89.harbour-dhcp-pool.infinetgroup.com [207.23.37.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B011539C for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 11:43:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unknown@riverstyx.net) Received: from localhost (unknown@localhost) by hades.riverstyx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29438; Thu, 13 May 1999 11:49:39 -0700 Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:49:39 -0700 (PDT) From: To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990513101133.0095e3e0@mail.bfm.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 13 May 1999, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > At 20:24 12-05-1999 -0700, unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: > >If you do want to clear your tracks a little more, switching to a > >different vconsole and back should do the trick. > Can you elaborate on that one? By switching to a different vconsole, do you > mean pressing Alt-F2 and then Alt-F1 again? Yep. That should clear the scrollback info, as long as *BSD uses the VGA memory to handle the scrolling (I'm assuming). > >> Actually, I once suggested to a Linux user to hit scroll lock and use > the page > >> up key. He told me it does not work that way under Linux - it just > freezes the > >> screen. > > > >Under Linux, it's shift-pgup and shift-pgdn > > OK, thanks. If the topic arises in my conversation with him again, I will > mention that to him. > > Adam > --- > Want to design your own web counter? > Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ > --- tani hosokawa river styx internet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 13 12: 6:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goodall1.u.washington.edu (goodall1.u.washington.edu [140.142.12.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B4814F58 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 12:06:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from durang@u.washington.edu) Received: from localhost (durang@localhost) by goodall1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id MAA48542 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 12:06:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:06:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "K. Marsh" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Why would you care if there was evidence that you'd logged on? If you did log on, then you have a valid login and password, and therefore you were meant to log on - so why hide it? Besides, the network admin can set up all kinds of auditing tools to keep close track of who logged on when. You can never know what evidence you're leaving behind. Making the screen look like you were never there is pretty meaningless, unless you're trying to hide the fact that you logged in from a moron. Ken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 13 12:56:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mothership.hostresource.com (unknown [216.37.30.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E5714E5D for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 12:56:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from angrick@netdirect.net) Received: from fdc7.fdcredit.com ([216.37.30.62]) by mothership.hostresource.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA14470 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:54:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from angrick@netdirect.net) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990513195347.00c08338@netdirect.net> X-Sender: angrick@netdirect.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 14:53:47 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Andy Angrick Subject: MD5 -> DES Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone know of an easy way to change from MD5 passwords to DES passwords? I've got a couple of programs that just don't seem to like MD5...works fine on my DES encrypted password server, though. Also, I only have a couple of users configured on the MD5 encrypted server. Thanks Andy Angrick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 13 13:21:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hades.riverstyx.net (hq-port-89.harbour-dhcp-pool.infinetgroup.com [207.23.37.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC9414E6D for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:21:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unknown@riverstyx.net) Received: from localhost (unknown@localhost) by hades.riverstyx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31300; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:27:33 -0700 Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:27:33 -0700 (PDT) From: To: "K. Marsh" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Maybe you just had a mail session goign, and you don't want someone to scroll back through your private info? --- tani hosokawa river styx internet On Thu, 13 May 1999, K. Marsh wrote: > Why would you care if there was evidence that you'd logged on? If you did > log on, then you have a valid login and password, and therefore you were > meant to log on - so why hide it? > > Besides, the network admin can set up all kinds of auditing tools to keep > close track of who logged on when. You can never know what evidence > you're leaving behind. Making the screen look like you were never there > is pretty meaningless, unless you're trying to hide the fact that you > logged in from a moron. > > Ken > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 13 14: 1:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net (kalypso.cybercom.net [209.21.136.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7FDB14D46 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:01:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ksmm@threespace.com) Received: from localhost (ksmm@localhost) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA11974; Thu, 13 May 1999 17:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:00:54 -0400 (EDT) From: The Classiest Man Alive X-Sender: ksmm@kalypso.cybercom.net To: "K. Marsh" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just because you're doing something legal on the system in question doesn't mean that you want everyone knowing at a glance what you did. Especially not the morons. K.-- On Thu, 13 May 1999, K. Marsh wrote: : Why would you care if there was evidence that you'd logged on? If you : did log on, then you have a valid login and password, and therefore you : were meant to log on - so why hide it? : : Besides, the network admin can set up all kinds of auditing tools to : keep close track of who logged on when. You can never know what : evidence you're leaving behind. Making the screen look like you were : never there is pretty meaningless, unless you're trying to hide the fact : that you logged in from a moron. : : Ken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 13 14:37:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EEBA14FD1 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:37:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id HAA25944; Fri, 14 May 1999 07:37:33 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990514073728.28080@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 07:37:29 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Andy Angrick Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MD5 -> DES References: <1.5.4.32.19990513195347.00c08338@netdirect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19990513195347.00c08338@netdirect.net>; from Andy Angrick on Thu, May 13, 1999 at 02:53:47PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 13, 1999 at 02:53:47PM -0500, Andy Angrick wrote: > Anyone know of an easy way to change from MD5 passwords to DES passwords? > I've got a couple of programs that just don't seem to like MD5...works fine > on my DES encrypted password server, though. Also, I only have a couple of > users configured on the MD5 encrypted server. You'll find this discussed in the freebsd-questions archives. http://www.freebsd.org/search.html I seem to recall that it's possible but not as simple as some would hope, i.e., no conversion as such. But check what they said. Maybe there's a way to stay with MD5 passwords that would be easier than changing, depending on what programs are giving you a hard time. Ask the people on -questions who have already dealt with the same problem and whose answers will be vetted by others before you go trying something you might regret. -- Regards, -*Sue*- (` ;) '` <-- a moulting +0 budgerigar named Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 13 14:44:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B98B914E6D for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:44:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id HAA25990; Fri, 14 May 1999 07:44:18 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990514074412.27694@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 07:44:12 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: unknown@riverstyx.net Cc: "G. Adam Stanislav" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip References: <3.0.6.32.19990513101133.0095e3e0@mail.bfm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from unknown@riverstyx.net on Thu, May 13, 1999 at 11:49:39AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 13, 1999 at 11:49:39AM -0700, unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: > On Thu, 13 May 1999, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > > > At 20:24 12-05-1999 -0700, unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: > > >If you do want to clear your tracks a little more, switching to a > > >different vconsole and back should do the trick. > > Can you elaborate on that one? By switching to a different vconsole, do you > > mean pressing Alt-F2 and then Alt-F1 again? > > Yep. That should clear the scrollback info, as long as *BSD uses the VGA > memory to handle the scrolling (I'm assuming). I guess if you eat all your veggies and be kind to those less fortunate than yourself it will eventually happen for you. There, who can do better than that! If you can't use so many wild guesses, you know where to go :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- (` ;) '` <-- a moulting +0 budgerigar named Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 13 15:27:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hades.riverstyx.net (hq-port-89.harbour-dhcp-pool.infinetgroup.com [207.23.37.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB9314D59 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 15:27:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unknown@riverstyx.net) Received: from localhost (unknown@localhost) by hades.riverstyx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01324; Thu, 13 May 1999 15:33:00 -0700 Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:33:00 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Sue Blake Cc: "G. Adam Stanislav" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip In-Reply-To: <19990514074412.27694@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey, I'm just offering some thoughts on the matter. Nobody else bothered to mention the scrollback, and it seemed like a pretty portable problem with what he said. I've got no use for *BSD as a desktop machine... does that mean I shouldn't talk about it at all? --- tani hosokawa river styx internet On Fri, 14 May 1999, Sue Blake wrote: > On Thu, May 13, 1999 at 11:49:39AM -0700, unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: > > On Thu, 13 May 1999, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > > > > > At 20:24 12-05-1999 -0700, unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: > > > >If you do want to clear your tracks a little more, switching to a > > > >different vconsole and back should do the trick. > > > Can you elaborate on that one? By switching to a different vconsole, do you > > > mean pressing Alt-F2 and then Alt-F1 again? > > > > Yep. That should clear the scrollback info, as long as *BSD uses the VGA > > memory to handle the scrolling (I'm assuming). > > I guess if you eat all your veggies and be kind to those less fortunate > than yourself it will eventually happen for you. There, who can do > better than that! > > If you can't use so many wild guesses, you know where to go :-) > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > (` > ;) > '` <-- a moulting +0 budgerigar named Einstein > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 13 16:47: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from whizkidtech.net (r32.bfm.org [208.18.213.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE90814EF3 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:46:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: (from adam@localhost) by whizkidtech.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id SAA02843; Thu, 13 May 1999 18:46:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:46:09 -0500 From: "G. Adam Stanislav" To: unknown@riverstyx.net Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip Message-ID: <19990513184609.A2831@whizkidtech.net> References: <3.0.6.32.19990513101133.0095e3e0@mail.bfm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from unknown@riverstyx.net on Thu, May 13, 1999 at 11:49:39AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 13, 1999 at 11:49:39AM -0700, unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: > > Can you elaborate on that one? By switching to a different vconsole, do you > > mean pressing Alt-F2 and then Alt-F1 again? > > Yep. That should clear the scrollback info, as long as *BSD uses the VGA > memory to handle the scrolling (I'm assuming). Uh, no. That won't work. That is why I asked you to elaborate: Perhaps you meant something else. But FreeBSD uses some other mechanism than VGA pages. FWIW, you can recompile the system to have one virtual console for every Alt-Fnn key available, something you could not all fit into VGA memory anyway. I checked this, just to be sure, but the scroll mechanism works even after logging out and switching between consoles. It even remembers the states of CapsLock, NumLock, and ScrollLock for each virtual console, a nice example of fine engineering. Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 13 19:10:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157EE14BE7 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:10:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from volkris@earthlink.net) Received: from earthlink.net (sdn-ar-001labrouP245.dialsprint.net [168.191.179.135]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15342 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <373B772B.A28E2A3A@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:06:51 -0500 From: root X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.8 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FBSD Mailing list problems Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------7848E15EE6FD3A85268EEBCF" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7848E15EE6FD3A85268EEBCF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, it's a forward, I'm lazy :) I guess I need an admin of the mailing lists to contact me about this. addresses are volkris@cryogen.com and volkris@earthlink.net Thanks --------------7848E15EE6FD3A85268EEBCF Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from nf7.netforward.com (nf7.netforward.com [204.57.67.54]) by grebe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04280 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 18:04:05 -0700 (PDT) From: unknown@riverstyx.net X-Forwarder: NetForward.com Received: from localhost (unknown@localhost) by hades.riverstyx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04162 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 18:10:00 -0700 Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:10:00 -0700 (PDT) To: Chris Carlin Subject: Re: Help! In-Reply-To: <373B4760.AF5F11BE@cryogen.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Thanks for using NetForward! http://www.netforward.com v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v Well, you don't need to be on a FBSD list to post to it. Simply e-mail the request from volkris@earthlink.net and it'll get thru :) --- tani hosokawa river styx internet On Thu, 13 May 1999, Chris Carlin wrote: > Hi, I picked you out at random from the FBSD mailing lists, lucky you :) > > I need some help getting off the lists. I'm subscribed to the lists via > an email address "volkris@cryogen.com". Well appearantly shortly after I > subscribed the powers that be blocked cryogen.com from the mailservers > at FreeBSD.org meaning I can't communicate with the mailing lists OR > Majordomo. > > Well I really need to unsubscribe now because the volume on the list is > just too great, but I can't. Can you help? Maybe put a message on the > lists for someone who admins the list to email me or something? > > Thanks, > Chris Carlin > > PS, to explain headers, my real email address is > volkris@earthlink.net... and earthlink and sprint have a partnership in > their ISPs. That's why my mail may come from an earthlink server under a > sprint network or something like that :) > --------------7848E15EE6FD3A85268EEBCF-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 13 19:23:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 315031519A for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:23:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: (from hamellr@localhost) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id TAA02404; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 19:20:18 -0700 (PDT) From: rick hamell To: "K. Marsh" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > you're leaving behind. Making the screen look like you were never there > is pretty meaningless, unless you're trying to hide the fact that you > logged in from a moron. No, you're trying to hide important information that may still be displayed. :) Stuff that others can use to hack in. Granted, I agree with you, this is a bit paranoid. :) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 13 20: 4: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from chopin.seattleu.edu (chopin.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63782152C1 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 20:04:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hodeleri@seattleu.edu) Received: from seattleu.edu ([172.17.41.90]) by chopin.seattleu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23941; Thu, 13 May 1999 20:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <373B9255.71FD0A10@seattleu.edu> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:02:45 -0700 From: Eric Hodel Organization: Dis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip References: <3.0.6.32.19990513101133.0095e3e0@mail.bfm.org> <19990513184609.A2831@whizkidtech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "G. Adam Stanislav" wrote: > > On Thu, May 13, 1999 at 11:49:39AM -0700, unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: > > > Can you elaborate on that one? By switching to a different vconsole, do you > > > mean pressing Alt-F2 and then Alt-F1 again? > > > > Yep. That should clear the scrollback info, as long as *BSD uses the VGA > > memory to handle the scrolling (I'm assuming). > > Uh, no. That won't work. That is why I asked you to elaborate: Perhaps you > meant something else. > > But FreeBSD uses some other mechanism than VGA pages. FWIW, you can recompile > the system to have one virtual console for every Alt-Fnn key available, > something you could not all fit into VGA memory anyway. > > I checked this, just to be sure, but the scroll mechanism works even after > logging out and switching between consoles. It even remembers the states of > CapsLock, NumLock, and ScrollLock for each virtual console, a nice example of > fine engineering. Some time ago someone asked on questions how to increase the scrollback buffer, so you may want to look in the archives to find out how to turn it down. I THINK it was possible anyways... -- Eric Hodel hodeleri@seattleu.edu "If you understand what you're doing, you're not learning anything." -- A. L. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 14 1:17:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from server.bitmcnit.bryansk.su (bitmcnit.bryansk.ru [195.239.213.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8251551F for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 01:14:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by server.bitmcnit.bryansk.su (8.8.8/8.8.7) with UUCP id LAA31304; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:38:39 +0400 Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01441; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:34:53 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from root@kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 11:34:53 +0400 (MSD) From: Alex Kapranoff To: unknown@riverstyx.net Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 13 May 1999 unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: > On Thu, 13 May 1999, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > > Can you elaborate on that one? By switching to a different vconsole, do you > > mean pressing Alt-F2 and then Alt-F1 again? > > Yep. That should clear the scrollback info, as long as *BSD uses the VGA > memory to handle the scrolling (I'm assuming). Not quite right. It would be stupid of system console driver if it did so. My solution: just make a series of Enter hits after exit to fill the scrollback buffer with lots of login prompts ;-) and to push away your tracks. The buffer is not endless (its size is configured in kernel config file). -- Alex Kapranoff, Voice: +7(0832)469245. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 14 6:50:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop04.iname.net (pop04.iname.net [165.251.8.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450BF14C9B for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 06:50:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r20.bfm.org [208.18.213.116]) by pop04.iname.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id JAA29012; Fri, 14 May 1999 09:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990514084207.00959240@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:42:07 -0500 To: Alex Kapranoff , unknown@riverstyx.net From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Newbie tip Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:34 14-05-1999 +0400, Alex Kapranoff wrote: >My solution: just make a series of Enter hits after exit to fill the >scrollback buffer with lots of login prompts ;-) and to push away your tracks. Better yet, do it before you logout, then do "clear;logout". My original hint was meant simply to leave the screen blank. It was not meant as a security measure, just leaving things neat. If you need to completely cover up your tracks, create a file with a thousand (or however many you need) blank lines. Now supposing the file name is blanks and it is in your home directory, enter the following, all on one line: cat ~/blanks;clear;logout That'll do it. Adam --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 14 16:48: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from whizkidtech.net (r6.bfm.org [208.18.213.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650FA14BE5 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:47:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: (from adam@localhost) by whizkidtech.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id SAA16228; Fri, 14 May 1999 18:47:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 18:46:51 -0500 From: "G. Adam Stanislav" To: Eric Hodel Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip Message-ID: <19990514184651.A16216@whizkidtech.net> References: <3.0.6.32.19990513101133.0095e3e0@mail.bfm.org> <19990513184609.A2831@whizkidtech.net> <373B9255.71FD0A10@seattleu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <373B9255.71FD0A10@seattleu.edu>; from Eric Hodel on Thu, May 13, 1999 at 08:02:45PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 13, 1999 at 08:02:45PM -0700, Eric Hodel wrote: > > I checked this, just to be sure, but the scroll mechanism works even after > > logging out and switching between consoles. It even remembers the states of > > CapsLock, NumLock, and ScrollLock for each virtual console, a nice example of > > fine engineering. > > Some time ago someone asked on questions how to increase the > scrollback buffer, so you may want to look in the archives to find out > how to turn it down. I THINK it was possible anyways... I don't want to turn it down. I want it available to myself, gone for others. I have solved the problem by creating an alternative to `clear' named `cls' (the 's' stands for safe). I have just submitted it to the ports collection. It works by running a program called `blanks' which writes 100 blank lines, thus overwriting the scrollback buffer. After calling blanks, cls just clears the screen the same way clear does. If anyone has increased the size of their scrollback buffer, they can edit the `cls' script and add the number of blank lines they want written. So, for example, if you want 2000 blank lines written, change "blanks" to "blanks 2000". If anyone needs it right now, and does not want to wait till it is committed to the ports collection, cut out the following script, run it, then do cd cls make install Just please respect the license which does not allow the use of cls by the military, by weapons manufacturers/dealers, and by anyone dealing with mind altering drugs (except for strict medical purposes). Anyway, the original hint will then become: cls;logout The script follows after my name, Adam # This is a shell archive. Save it in a file, remove anything before # this line, and then unpack it by entering "sh file". Note, it may # create directories; files and directories will be owned by you and # have default permissions. # # This archive contains: # # cls # cls/Makefile # cls/files # cls/files/md5 # cls/pkg # cls/pkg/PLIST # cls/pkg/DESCR # cls/pkg/COMMENT # echo c - cls mkdir -p cls > /dev/null 2>&1 echo x - cls/Makefile sed 's/^X//' >cls/Makefile << 'END-of-cls/Makefile' X# New ports collection makefile for: cls X# Version required: 1.0 X# Date created: 14 May 1999 X# Whom: G. Adam Stanislav X# X# $Id$ X# X XDISTNAME= cls-1.0 XCATEGORIES= deskutils XMASTER_SITES= http://www.whizkidtech.net/fports/ X XMAINTAINER= adam@whizkidtech.net X XMAN1= blanks.1 cls.1 X Xdo-install: X ${INSTALL_PROGRAM} ${WRKSRC}/blanks ${PREFIX}/bin X ${INSTALL_SCRIPT} ${WRKSRC}/cls ${PREFIX}/bin X $(INSTALL_MAN) ${WRKSRC}/blanks.1 ${PREFIX}/man/man1 X ${INSTALL_MAN} ${WRKSRC}/cls.1 ${PREFIX}/man/man1 X X.include END-of-cls/Makefile echo c - cls/files mkdir -p cls/files > /dev/null 2>&1 echo x - cls/files/md5 sed 's/^X//' >cls/files/md5 << 'END-of-cls/files/md5' XMD5 (cls-1.0.tar.gz) = a15b1f7a0cba22cbf9df9ccb7798b6de END-of-cls/files/md5 echo c - cls/pkg mkdir -p cls/pkg > /dev/null 2>&1 echo x - cls/pkg/PLIST sed 's/^X//' >cls/pkg/PLIST << 'END-of-cls/pkg/PLIST' Xbin/blanks Xbin/cls END-of-cls/pkg/PLIST echo x - cls/pkg/DESCR sed 's/^X//' >cls/pkg/DESCR << 'END-of-cls/pkg/DESCR' XThis package contains the `blanks' command which simply prints any number of Xblank lines to stdout. X XIt also contains the `cls' command which clears both the screen and the scroll Xback video buffer. X XIt is a result of a discussion in freebsd-newbies on how to clear the contents Xof your work area from prying eyes. It allows you to wipe it all out by using Xthis command sequence to log out: X X cls;logout X XThis software must NOT be used by any of the following: X X a. Military forces of any country; X b. Manufacturers, distributors, and resellers of weapons; X c. Anyone dealing with mind altering drugs of any kind, X except for strictly medicinal purposes. X XPlease respect. X XG. Adam Stanislav END-of-cls/pkg/DESCR echo x - cls/pkg/COMMENT sed 's/^X//' >cls/pkg/COMMENT << 'END-of-cls/pkg/COMMENT' XSafe clear screen - also wipes scrollback video buffer. END-of-cls/pkg/COMMENT exit To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 14 17:30:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232AF14E6C for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 17:30:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id KAA02115; Sat, 15 May 1999 10:30:29 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990515103023.20653@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 10:30:24 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip References: <3.0.6.32.19990513101133.0095e3e0@mail.bfm.org> <19990513184609.A2831@whizkidtech.net> <373B9255.71FD0A10@seattleu.edu> <19990514184651.A16216@whizkidtech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19990514184651.A16216@whizkidtech.net>; from G. Adam Stanislav on Fri, May 14, 1999 at 06:46:51PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, May 14, 1999 at 06:46:51PM -0500, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > > I don't want to turn it down. I want it available to myself, gone for others. > I have solved the problem by creating an alternative to `clear' named `cls' > (the 's' stands for safe). > > I have just submitted it to the ports collection. Wow! 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 14 19:30:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E0114C9D for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 19:30:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA02414 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 May 1999 12:30:13 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 12:30:13 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199905150230.MAA02414@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 30 August 1998) (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 15 1:44: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from server.bitmcnit.bryansk.su (bitmcnit.bryansk.ru [195.239.213.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7243914CD3 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 01:42:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by server.bitmcnit.bryansk.su (8.8.8/8.8.7) with UUCP id MAA14314; Sat, 15 May 1999 12:32:29 +0400 Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01560; Sat, 15 May 1999 12:22:05 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from root@kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 12:22:05 +0400 (MSD) From: Alex Kapranoff To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip In-Reply-To: <19990514184651.A16216@whizkidtech.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 14 May 1999, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > It works by running a program called `blanks' which writes 100 blank lines, > thus overwriting the scrollback buffer. After calling blanks, cls just clears > the screen the same way clear does. I've just come up to one more solution ;) ----- kbdcontrol -h 1; kbdcontrol -h ; clear; exit ----- This one first sets scrollback buffer size to 1 line, then returns it into previous state (note, NNN must be your preferred scrollback buffer size. It cannot exceed SC_HISTORY_SIZE option in your kernel config. In fact NNN should be equal to it) thus totally wiping everything away. Then the usual way. > > If anyone has increased the size of their scrollback buffer, they can edit > the `cls' script and add the number of blank lines they want written. > Your cls script is much more portable, however ;) -- Alex Kapranoff, Voice: +7(0832)469245. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 15 9:10: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop05.iname.net (pop05.iname.net [165.251.8.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A4414D04 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 09:10:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r8.bfm.org [208.18.213.104]) by pop05.iname.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id MAA29669; Sat, 15 May 1999 12:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990515110442.0098a7c0@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:04:42 -0500 To: Sue Blake From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Newbie tip Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19990515103023.20653@welearn.com.au> References: <19990514184651.A16216@whizkidtech.net> <3.0.6.32.19990513101133.0095e3e0@mail.bfm.org> <19990513184609.A2831@whizkidtech.net> <373B9255.71FD0A10@seattleu.edu> <19990514184651.A16216@whizkidtech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:30 15-05-1999 +1000, Sue Blake wrote: >Wow! See, newbies aren't useless know-nothings! :-) :-) >I should at this point issue a general reminder that there are risks in >using software whipped up by someone on a mailing list who you don't >know well, and that being submitted as a port doesn't mean it's been >checked and accepted. There have been people on this list in the past >who sounded very clever but were not worthy of trust, but I've put my >computer at the mercy of Adam's software many times without hesitation >or mishap, and I'm about to do it again. Hehe. Thanks for the vote of confidence. Like anyone else, I do make mistakes. Although I do try to correct them if I can (and if I can see them :). Come to think of it, that is precisely what happened here: I started this whole thread by suggesting the use of "clear;logout", where I made the mistake of not considering the scrollback buffer. Now I am trying to correct that mistake. :-) Adam --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 15 9:10:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop05.iname.net (pop05.iname.net [165.251.8.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6028614CB5 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 09:10:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r8.bfm.org [208.18.213.104]) by pop05.iname.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id MAA29680; Sat, 15 May 1999 12:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990515110924.0098b100@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:09:24 -0500 To: Alex Kapranoff From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Newbie tip Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <19990514184651.A16216@whizkidtech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:22 15-05-1999 +0400, Alex Kapranoff wrote: > I've just come up to one more solution ;) >----- >kbdcontrol -h 1; kbdcontrol -h ; clear; exit >----- Change "exit" to "logout" there. If you use "exit", it will print the word "logout" on the screen after it has cleared the screen, so there will be a trace left. > Your cls script is much more portable, however ;) And hopefully easier to type. :-) Adam --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 15 11: 5:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4505314C9F for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 11:05:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: (from hamellr@localhost) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id LAA28346; Sat, 15 May 1999 11:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:02:50 -0700 (PDT) From: rick hamell To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: george@lincc.lib.or.us, dpilgrim@uswest.net, dirkm@buster.dhis.org, mrcpu@internetcds.com, clark@open.org Subject: Portland (Oregon) FUG Update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Our next Users Group meeting will be next Thursday the 20th at 6:30pm, in the PSU Miller Library's rm #160. We're planning on doing the pizza thing. :) The topic will be setting up PPP by Ted Middlestat. We're planning on this being a hands on thing, so bring a computer down that needs it setup (along with all your cables and such.) If you have any questions or need directions, please email me. Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 15 14:18:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA6E15201 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 14:18:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vanderh@ecf.toronto.edu) Received: from localhost.nowhere (ppp18381.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.130.61]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17969; Sat, 15 May 1999 17:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA49114; Sat, 15 May 1999 17:19:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 17:19:19 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Eric Hodel Cc: "G. Adam Stanislav" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip Message-ID: <19990515171919.A37159@mad> References: <3.0.6.32.19990513101133.0095e3e0@mail.bfm.org> <19990513184609.A2831@whizkidtech.net> <373B9255.71FD0A10@seattleu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <373B9255.71FD0A10@seattleu.edu>; from Eric Hodel on Thu, May 13, 1999 at 08:02:45PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 13, 1999 at 08:02:45PM -0700, Eric Hodel wrote: > > Some time ago someone asked on questions how to increase the > scrollback buffer, so you may want to look in the archives to find out > how to turn it down. I THINK it was possible anyways... Add options SC_HISTORY_SIZE=2000 to your kernel configuration file and recompile. I've never actually tried anything over 1000, or anything that's not a multiple of 25, but... :) Now if only I could have more than 16 virtual terminals. -- This .sig is not innovative, witty, or profund. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 16 4:55:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from server.bitmcnit.bryansk.su (bitmcnit.bryansk.ru [195.239.213.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30D815389 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 04:54:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by server.bitmcnit.bryansk.su (8.8.8/8.8.7) with UUCP id PAA27386; Sun, 16 May 1999 15:44:31 +0400 Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03352; Sun, 16 May 1999 11:42:24 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from root@kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 11:42:24 +0400 (MSD) From: Alex Kapranoff To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990515110924.0098b100@mail.bfm.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 15 May 1999, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > At 12:22 15-05-1999 +0400, Alex Kapranoff wrote: > > I've just come up to one more solution ;) > >----- > >kbdcontrol -h 1; kbdcontrol -h ; clear; exit > >----- > > Change "exit" to "logout" there. If you use "exit", it will print the word > "logout" on the screen after it has cleared the screen, so there will be a > trace left. "logout" is a built-in command in csh. "exit" is built-in in every shell ;) E.g., I never use csh, so logout does nothing but errmessages me. -- Alex Kapranoff, Voice: +7(0832)469245. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 16 7:21:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop05.iname.net (pop05.iname.net [165.251.8.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4946014F90 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 07:21:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r18.bfm.org [208.18.213.114]) by pop05.iname.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id KAA24252; Sun, 16 May 1999 10:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990516092026.00960770@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:20:26 -0500 To: Alex Kapranoff From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Newbie tip Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.19990515110924.0098b100@mail.bfm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:42 16-05-1999 +0400, Alex Kapranoff wrote: > "logout" is a built-in command in csh. "exit" is built-in in every shell ;) >E.g., I never use csh, so logout does nothing but errmessages me. I did not know that. Which shell do you use? I am not happy with csh, but then, I do not really know if the problems I am experiencing are csh specific: For years I have used 4DOS shell on "the other OS." I am used to hitting F9 to have the shell finish typing a file name for me. It works similar but better than hitting Esc in csh (better because it does not beep if there are several possible options - it presents the first one, and if that is not the one I want, I just need to hit F9 repeatedly until I get to the right one). Since habits are hard to break, I tend to hit F9 instead of Esc even under csh. That causes real weird behavior of the command line: It prepends the command with [U or some such junk, so I always get a command not found. And there is no way to backspace out of it. I just have to press Enter, feel like an idiot, and retype the command line from scratch. Another thing 4DOS does that csh does not: It lets me edit whatever I am typing on the command line. I mean, not just by erasing everything with backspace, but it lets me move around with the left/right arrows and either overwrite parts of the line or insert text into it. If I press an arrow key in csh, it causes the same problems as pressing a function key. Pressing the up/down arrows in 4DOS will display previous commands used in their entirety, and lets me edit those as well. Under csh, I have to use that ugly ! thing, where I get only the last matching command, or I have to remember exactly its number (which I do not remember, I am not a computer). And I cannot edit it either. Is there any shell that works similar to 4DOS? Just to stop anyone from getting upset: 4DOS is NOT a Microsoft product - it was presumably written to give the other OS the capabilities of Unix shells; I just have not found the Unix shell with those capabilities yet. :-( Nor do the authors of 4DOS have a 4Unix shell (and they do not give out the source code to 4DOS). Adam --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 16 7:48: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8D214EF1 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 07:47:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id QAA25340; Sun, 16 May 1999 16:40:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local-smtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 10j2Fy-0002a7-00; Sun, 16 May 1999 16:51:10 +0200 Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 16:51:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Adam Szilveszter Reply-To: Adam Szilveszter To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: Alex Kapranoff , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990516092026.00960770@mail.bfm.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Is there any shell that works similar to 4DOS? Just to stop anyone from > getting upset: 4DOS is NOT a Microsoft product - it was presumably written > to give the other OS the capabilities of Unix shells; I just have not found > the Unix shell with those capabilities yet. :-( Nor do the authors of 4DOS > have a 4Unix shell (and they do not give out the source code to 4DOS). Hi! Consider trying bash (the shell of choice for most Linux distribs) or tcsh, all of which are available in the /usr/ports/shells directory. These both have the functionality you mentioned and in fact work quite smilarly to 4DOS. There is also pdksh but I have not tried it yet. For a description of how to handle these shells see their man pages after install and also the book: A Comprehensive guide to FreeBSD available at: http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ On bash you can find info on many Linux sites as well. (I use bash but that's because I also have to work on Linux machines and it's more convenient that I can use the same features everywhere.) Caution: As many have said here already, don't change the root shell to anything other from sh or csh because that's a really bad idea. But feel free to try the others for normal users. I hope it helps. Regards: Szilveszter (aka CC the horrible) Szeged University Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 16 11:46: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5011814BE9 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 11:45:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r22.bfm.org [208.18.213.118]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id OAA14201; Sun, 16 May 1999 14:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990516134529.0096a960@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:45:29 -0500 To: Adam Szilveszter From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Newbie tip Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.19990516092026.00960770@mail.bfm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 16:51 16-05-1999 +0200, Adam Szilveszter wrote: >Consider trying bash (the shell of choice for most Linux distribs) or >tcsh, all of which are available in the /usr/ports/shells directory. Ah! Thank you, thank you, thank you! Koszonom szepen!!! I got tcsh, and it is soooooooo much better!!! >Caution: As many have said here already, don't change the root shell to >anything other from sh or csh because that's a really bad idea. Why is it a bad idea? >I hope it helps. Yes, it did. Thanks again! Adam --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 16 12:13: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sjukebox.home (MCMLXXVII.dyn.saunalahti.fi [195.197.29.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088FC14C22 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 12:12:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sjuke@saunalahti.fi) Received: (from sjuke@localhost) by sjukebox.home (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00315 for newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 16 May 1999 22:13:15 GMT (envelope-from sjuke@saunalahti.fi) X-Authentication-Warning: sjukebox.home: sjuke set sender to sjuke@saunalahti.fi using -f Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 22:13:15 -0000 (GMT) Reply-To: juksi@iname.com From: Jukka Simila To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: great advance Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi I've had an impression that this list is for newbies to tell about experiments with freebsd, and this weekend I've had an experience I wanted to tell everyone, this is how I've spent few last days: Last Monday, I noticed I'm running out of space on /usr, mainly because of my /usr/mp3, and I was about to encode some more music, but I had no space. I've had 2G partition for WinNT/95 together, but I haven't used them for months. (I don't know especially why, maybe I just haven't needed Adobe or Kinetix recently) So I noticed I have 2G practically unused space, filled with microsoft stuff. There was 38 seconds hesitation.. and so, goodbye Windows. I deleted the partition and started to think how to use the space I just had released. Then I ran into problems: because of the compability slice, that always points to the first FreeBSD formatted slice on disk (I'm running 2.2.6, has this thing changed in 3.1?) I couldn't just make one big partition for all my .mp3's . After few hours thinking (while watching Ice Hockey World Championships - too bad finland didn't win, they/we were second) I figured it out. Thanks to this mounting stuff, I could duplicate my / to the first slice, and just mount my old /usr and /var as new ones. (not so well explained but maybe this explains it, my new /etc/fstab ) # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/wd0s1b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/wd0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/wd0s2f /usr ufs rw 2 2 /dev/wd0s2e /var ufs rw 2 2 /dev/wd0s1f /mp3disk ufs rw 2 2 /dev/wd0s1e /tmp ufs rw 2 2 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 /dev/wcd0c /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 /dev/wd1s1 /dos msdos rw 2 2 So, now i have 1.8 G free space, taken from microsoft windows, and now I'm not running microsoft at all (unless one old dos 6.22 1.44M boot floppy counts). The way i duplicated my old root directory to old, as root: tar cf root.tar . and then tar xvpf root.tar / (or something near that) Any suggestions how could've I done the installation better way? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jukka Simila EMail: ................juksi@iname.com IRC-nick: .............sjuke ------------------------------------------------------------------------- After an instrument has been assembled, extra components will be found on the bench. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 16 12:50:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F037F1512C for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 12:50:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id VAA05260; Sun, 16 May 1999 21:50:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local-smtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 10j769-0003pN-00; Sun, 16 May 1999 22:01:21 +0200 Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 22:01:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Adam Szilveszter To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990516134529.0096a960@mail.bfm.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! On Sun, 16 May 1999, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > >Consider trying bash (the shell of choice for most Linux distribs) or > >tcsh, all of which are available in the /usr/ports/shells directory. > > Ah! Thank you, thank you, thank you! Koszonom szepen!!! :-))))) It's so nice when it turns out that so many people speak some Hungarian!!!! You're welcome! > >Caution: As many have said here already, don't change the root shell to > >anything other from sh or csh because that's a really bad idea. > > Why is it a bad idea? Well, because each of these is installed under /usr/local and there are high chances that these are not on the root filesystem. Therefore, if something goes wrong and you have to boot single-user with only root mounted (like me when I messed up my /etc/fstab) then you will not have tcsh around. As far as I know, the system falls back on /bin/sh in those cases but I don't know for sure. So, in order to be able to use my usual things (like config files) even in these cases, I kept root's shell as csh and use bash for normal users. (Then at least I will notice that I'm running as root and switch back to normal user ASAP because of the inconvenience:-) Another method to try and get you out of the habit of logging in as root when it is not needed:-)))))) But there are other gurus who maybe can say it more precisely here or on `questions'. After all, I'm also quite new to this ( have had FreeBSD for about 3 months) and besides not even specializing in computers or informatics. So I have to be quiet and believe what the pros say until I'm cute enough to figure out on my own:-))))))))))) > > >I hope it helps. > > Yes, it did. Thanks again! > > Adam All the best! Szilveszter Szeged University Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 16 15: 4:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from whizkidtech.net (r11.bfm.org [208.18.213.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6157A14C91 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 15:04:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: (from adam@localhost) by whizkidtech.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id RAA00240; Sun, 16 May 1999 17:04:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 17:03:45 -0500 From: "G. Adam Stanislav" To: Adam Szilveszter Cc: "G. Adam Stanislav" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip Message-ID: <19990516170345.A220@whizkidtech.net> References: <3.0.6.32.19990516134529.0096a960@mail.bfm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Adam Szilveszter on Sun, May 16, 1999 at 10:01:21PM +0200 Organization: Whiz Kid Technomagic X-URL: http://www.whizkidtech.net/ X-Operating-System: FreeBSD whizkidtech.net 3.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, May 16, 1999 at 10:01:21PM +0200, Adam Szilveszter wrote: > > Ah! Thank you, thank you, thank you! Koszonom szepen!!! > > :-))))) It's so nice when it turns out that so many people speak some > Hungarian!!!! You're welcome! Hehe. I was born and raised in Bratislava, a city in which many people speak (or at least used to) three languages: Slovak, Hungarian, and German, but none of them properly. :-) You just can't live there without picking up a few phrases. Throughout the years (and I am 49), I have also made it a point to learn how to thank people in as many languages as I could. If someone helps me, the least I can do is show my appreciation and respect. On the other side of the coin, I have learned never to assume that people around me do not understand what I say, no matter how foreign a language I may use -- I have seen too many people being very embarassed when they made that mistake. :-) > Well, because each of these is installed under /usr/local and there are > high chances that these are not on the root filesystem. Therefore, if > something goes wrong and you have to boot single-user with only root > mounted (like me when I messed up my /etc/fstab) then you will not have > tcsh around. I see. That makes sense. Nevertheless, on my system /usr/local is on the root filesystem. So, I am going to take the chance. :-) > Another method to try and get you out of the habit of > logging in as root when it is not needed:-)))))) Hehe. I have found I need it all the time. Whenever I log on as a regular user, I feel like a prisoner. So, by now, the only time I do that is when I reply to email. Otherwise, everyone would think my name was Charlie! > After all, I'm also quite new to this ( have had FreeBSD for about 3 > months) and besides not even specializing in computers or informatics. So > I have to be quiet and believe what the pros say until I'm cute enough to > figure out on my own:-))))))))))) You seem to be doing well for someone who has been at it for only 3 months! As for being cute, I don't think your FreeBSD experience is going to change that. You may want to look up that word in the dictionary again. :-) Although, technically, it also means clever (which is what you probably meant), that is not its typical use. :-)))) But don't feel bad. You cannot imagine the things I said when I first came to America! What a language English is... Years ago, I was told I had the special ability to pick words with double meaning. By now I know my ability had nothing to do with it: In English every word has at least a double meaning. :-) Cheers, Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 16 22:26:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sjukebox.home (MCCI.dyn.saunalahti.fi [195.197.4.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3761518C for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 22:26:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sjuke@saunalahti.fi) Received: (from sjuke@localhost) by sjukebox.home (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA00317; Mon, 17 May 1999 08:26:18 GMT (envelope-from sjuke@saunalahti.fi) X-Authentication-Warning: sjukebox.home: sjuke set sender to sjuke@saunalahti.fi using -f Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19990516170345.A220@whizkidtech.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:26:18 -0000 (GMT) Reply-To: juksi@iname.com From: Jukka Simila To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Newbie tip Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 16-May-99 G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > >> Another method to try and get you out of the habit of >> logging in as root when it is not needed:-)))))) > > Hehe. I have found I need it all the time. Whenever I log on as a regular > user, I feel like a prisoner. So, by now, the only time I do that is when > I reply to email. Otherwise, everyone would think my name was Charlie! > Such a bad habit! (or at least dangerous, i think :) At first I thaught regular user accout was restricting, but since I've learned that It's not that bad thing to have some back-up if you forget you aren't running dos, that doesn't allow you to kill your software with a single rm Using "su" for logging as root is a good way to do things, but I think there's a better way: program from ports called 'sudo' It allows normal users to run programs as root with their own password, like: 'sudo reboot' would prompt for user's password and boot the machine. --- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. --- Jukka S juksi@iname.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 16 23:11:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B93E1545B for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 23:11:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id IAA21514; Mon, 17 May 1999 08:09:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local-smtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 10jGki-0005yC-00; Mon, 17 May 1999 08:19:52 +0200 Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:19:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Adam Szilveszter To: juksi@iname.com Cc: "G. Adam Stanislav" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! On Mon, 17 May 1999, Jukka Simila wrote: > > > > >> Another method to try and get you out of the habit of > >> logging in as root when it is not needed:-)))))) > > > > Hehe. I have found I need it all the time. Whenever I log on as a regular > > user, I feel like a prisoner. So, by now, the only time I do that is when > > I reply to email. Otherwise, everyone would think my name was Charlie! > > > Such a bad habit! (or at least dangerous, i think :) > At first I thaught regular user accout was restricting, but since I've learned > that It's not that bad thing to have some back-up if you forget you aren't > running dos, that doesn't allow you to kill your software with a single rm Yes, and not logging in as root has other advantages as well. E.g. you cannot accidentally do harm to your system by running a trojan horse program. I know it may be weird feeling for somebody who is used to have the whole machine to play with when using DOS/Win9x. (I know well because it used to be _my favorite argument against using Linux at the dorm because i was not sysadmin there and the root guy was both lazy and not catching up w/ latest developments so it seemed to take ages until something was fixed when I asked for it. But now that I am sysadmin as well, I can see the advantage.) Actually for a person knowledgeable about computers it's no big problem if you have root on a machine but for normal users who only know that they have to use *say* Word for wordprocessing or not even this much but only that they have to push that big button in the corner, it's definitely safer to have only user access. And even for experienced users it's better to be safe than sorry. (No kidding, in my university there are many people who when at last learn something about computers they do it like this: Push that big button there. Why? You don't know and don't care. So once that button is not there, you are stuck...) Actually, the top reasons for help pleas from users feature (in my experience) - Accidental deletions (including other users files and program files) - Getting lost after doing a lot of clicking in various config dialogs, - Installing / Uninstalling software w/o knowing what you are doing:-) - Suddenly discovering new config options that are hidden and undocumented e.g. "File" menu disappears in Office... (Of course the above only apply to the "other side" OS-es) Three of the four relate to user activity which should not be allowed unless you know what you are doing. > > Using "su" for logging as root is a good way to do things, but I think there's > a better way: program from ports called 'sudo' > It allows normal users to run programs as root with their own password, like: > 'sudo reboot' would prompt for user's password and boot the machine. hmmmmm.... then what's the point? I would be very careful about configuring for sudo because it's inherently dangerous to give users this much control... I'm not being paranoid but I have even disabled Ctrl-Alt-Del because I do not want people to be able to restart my machine when I am not there. After all, it is not Windows that you have to restart after doing any config work (or moving the mouse, sometimes:-))) but must add that if I had many users here (only have myself this far on this machine) then I would take care to give them the latest user software in things like Netscape and be responsive to what they ask me to do. That's a prerequisite in maintaining tight system security and manageability. You cannot do it yourself, user, but ask me and I will be in a minute. > Regards: Szilveszter Szeged University Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 16 23:21:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.nttpc.co.jp (m30.nttpc.co.jp [210.150.3.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA4A1514A for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 23:20:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from otsuki-t@sphere.ad.jp) Received: from vaioman-.nttpc.co.jp by mail.nttpc.co.jp (8.8.8/3.6W06/16/98) with SMTP id PAA26601 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 15:20:17 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <4.0.2-J.19990517151846.00ef9390@mail.sphere.ad.jp> X-Sender: otsuki-t@sphere.ad.jp X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2-J Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:20:14 +0900 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Takeshi Otsuki Subject: I am not a member anymore In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe freebsd-newbies To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 17 2:51: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from krdl.org.sg (rodin.krdl.org.sg [192.122.139.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803B814BC9 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 02:50:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vasu@krdl.org.sg) Received: from mailhost.krdl.org.sg (mailbox.krdl.org.sg [192.122.134.30]) by krdl.org.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11549 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:57:34 +0800 (SGT) Received: from boderek (boderek [192.122.135.157]) by mailhost.krdl.org.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA05899 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:50:37 +0800 (SGT) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:36:29 +0800 (SGT) From: Vasudha Ramnath X-Sender: vasu@boderek To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: df Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello ! I'm running FreeBSD 3.1. 'df' shows that /usr is 101 % full (available blocks is a negative number !) If I do an fsck, there are free blocks available on /usr. Any idea what could be the problem ? thanks --Vasudha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 17 6:11:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from k6n1.znh.org (unknown [207.109.235.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D931555C; Mon, 17 May 1999 06:11:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zach@uffdaonline.net) Received: (from zach@localhost) by k6n1.znh.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA70578; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:09:51 GMT (envelope-from zach) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:09:50 -0500 From: Zach Heilig To: Vasudha Ramnath Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: df Message-ID: <19990517080950.A70413@k6n1.znh.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Vasudha Ramnath on Mon, May 17, 1999 at 05:36:29PM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ from -newbies ] On Mon, May 17, 1999 at 05:36:29PM +0800, Vasudha Ramnath wrote: > I'm running FreeBSD 3.1. > 'df' shows that /usr is 101 % full (available blocks is a negative number > !) > If I do an fsck, there are free blocks available on /usr. > Any idea what could be the problem ? No problem at all, the operating system reserves a specified amount of space per filesystem. By default, it'll be 8%, but it can be changed fairly easily (rumor has it that best performance can be had by reserving 15%). Performance will degrade pretty quickly as you fill the disk up more than 10% (a completely full disk is 3x slower than at 10% free). $ df / Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/wd0s2a 63503 19669 38754 34% / Note these numbers: 19669 + 38754 = 58423 63503 - 58423 = 5080 5080 / 63503 = ~.08 (really: ~.07999622065099286647) 19669 / 58423 = ~.34 (really: ~.33666535439809664002) And notice the "minimum percentage of free space" below (8%): # tunefs -p /dev/rwd0s2a tunefs: soft updates: (-n) enabled tunefs: maximum contiguous block count: (-a) 15 tunefs: rotational delay between contiguous blocks: (-d) 0 ms tunefs: maximum blocks per file in a cylinder group: (-e) 2048 tunefs: minimum percentage of free space: (-m) 8% tunefs: optimization preference: (-o) time [ do not use tunefs to do anything to a mounted filesystem, using '-p' is pretty safe, anything else is a bad idea ] -- Zach Heilig To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 17 9:28:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sjukebox.home (MMXXXVII.dyn.saunalahti.fi [195.197.29.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7381514F3E for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:28:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sjuke@saunalahti.fi) Received: (from sjuke@localhost) by sjukebox.home (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA00449; Mon, 17 May 1999 19:28:56 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sjuke@saunalahti.fi) X-Authentication-Warning: sjukebox.home: sjuke set sender to sjuke@saunalahti.fi using -f Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:28:55 +0300 (EEST) Reply-To: juksi@iname.com From: Jukka Simila To: Adam Szilveszter Subject: Re: Newbie tip Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, "G. Adam Stanislav" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 17-May-99 Adam Szilveszter wrote: [snip] >> >> Using "su" for logging as root is a good way to do things, but I think >> there's >> a better way: program from ports called 'sudo' >> It allows normal users to run programs as root with their own password, >> like: >> 'sudo reboot' would prompt for user's password and boot the machine. > hmmmmm.... then what's the point? I would be very careful about > configuring for sudo because it's inherently dangerous to give users this > much control... I'm not being paranoid but I have even disabled > Ctrl-Alt-Del because I do not want people to be able to restart my machine > when I am not there. After all, it is not Windows that you have to > restart after doing any config work (or moving the mouse, sometimes:-))) You don't even have to move the mouse, take two identical mouses and boot with another mouse installed, then switch it to the another, you have to reboot before win95 detects the new mouse. But: If you have a computer that can't be power-on for 24h / day, say, a computer used mainly for text-editing (that old 486 :), wouldn't it be nicer to give users a possibility to shut it down with their own password, rather than delivering root's password to everyone, or recommending microsoft-style shutdown "just switch the power off, it's all right then" :) Of course, better example than "sudo reboot" would have been "sudo halt" which would do the obvious. > > but must add that if I had many users here (only have myself this far on > this > machine) then I would take care to give them the latest user software in > things like Netscape and be responsive to what they ask me to do. That's a > prerequisite in maintaining tight system security and manageability. You > cannot do it yourself, user, but ask me and I will be in a minute. "You cannot shut down the computer yourself, but just ask me and I will be there in a minute. Oh, I forgot, I won't be home until tomorrow.. Would you like to become a sysadmin?" :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jukka Simila EMail: ................juksi@iname.com IRC-nick: .............sjuke ------------------------------------------------------------------------- After an instrument has been assembled, extra components will be found on the bench. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 17 9:45:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4749614FAC for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:45:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id SAA27692; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:45:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local-smtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 10jQgk-0000YD-00; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:56:26 +0200 Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:56:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Adam Szilveszter To: juksi@iname.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! On Mon, 17 May 1999, Jukka Simila wrote: > > On 17-May-99 Adam Szilveszter wrote: > [...] > You don't even have to move the mouse, take two identical mouses and boot with > another mouse installed, then switch it to the another, you have to reboot > before win95 detects the new mouse. :-)))))) Especially PS/2 mice behave that way... > > But: > If you have a computer that can't be power-on for 24h / day, say, a computer > used mainly for text-editing (that old 486 :), wouldn't it be nicer to give > users a possibility to shut it down with their own password, rather than > delivering root's password to everyone, or recommending microsoft-style > shutdown "just switch the power off, it's all right then" :) Hmmmm. That's a different matter then. My computer is turned off every day as well because my roommate cannot stand if it is running at night. But I'm there so I always can turn it off. I have not thought the matter over, obviously. from this perspective, your solution very much makes sense. What I said is that one should be very careful in configuring packages to be sudo but that said there are circumstances when it is necessary. The M$ style shutdown idea is coooool, although some actually practice it in our dorm as well and don't even know that it is bad... > > "You cannot shut down the computer yourself, but just ask me and I will be > there in a minute. Oh, I forgot, I won't be home until tomorrow.. Would you > like to become a sysadmin?" :) :-)))))) That's the result when I speak w/o thinking... yep. Obviously a bug or config error inside my head. Has happened before as well. A fix, anyone?:-))))) That aside, I was only considering single-user environments and LANs where normal users cannot access the console anyway. That's because I was drawing on my prevoius experience here at the dorm where only these environments seem to occur:-) At home my family still uses Winsssssuxxx so it is not a problem. Maybe I will bring in some change this summer...but my machine was more urgent because it actually has Net access so I can utilize FreeBSD's full potential. Regards: Szilveszter Szeged University Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 17 13: 1: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hades.riverstyx.net (hq-port-89.harbour-dhcp-pool.infinetgroup.com [207.23.37.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461DE14BCC for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:01:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unknown@riverstyx.net) Received: from localhost (unknown@localhost) by hades.riverstyx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06729; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:07:23 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:07:23 -0700 (PDT) From: To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: Adam Szilveszter , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990516134529.0096a960@mail.bfm.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org But I'd suggest bash instead. Ref. "C Shell Programming Considered Harmful" by Tom Christiansen (47.02 Unix Power Tools, 'coz I can't find the original). It's not just scripting that tcsh is crippled in -- it's just general command line stuff. Ick. --- tani hosokawa river styx internet On Sun, 16 May 1999, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > At 16:51 16-05-1999 +0200, Adam Szilveszter wrote: > >Consider trying bash (the shell of choice for most Linux distribs) or > >tcsh, all of which are available in the /usr/ports/shells directory. > > Ah! Thank you, thank you, thank you! Koszonom szepen!!! > > I got tcsh, and it is soooooooo much better!!! > > >Caution: As many have said here already, don't change the root shell to > >anything other from sh or csh because that's a really bad idea. > > Why is it a bad idea? > > >I hope it helps. > > Yes, it did. Thanks again! > > Adam > > --- > Want to design your own web counter? > Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 17 15:35:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8A214FD4 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 15:35:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id PAA20947 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 17 May 1999 15:35:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:35:45 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199905172235.PAA20947@pau-amma.whistle.com> Subject: Re: Newbie tip Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 22:01:21 +0200 (CEST) >From: Adam Szilveszter >> >Caution: As many have said here already, don't change the root shell to >> >anything other from sh or csh because that's a really bad idea. >> Why is it a bad idea? In addition to other concerns, if one is using a network of machines under "sufficiently loose control", it may well happen that one's favorite shell isn't installed on at least one such machine. Further, unless the login shell is listed in /etc/shells, that will cause problems if you want to change your password or use FTP. (Actually, in our environment, the former concern is an issue for the NIS server(s), rather than the individual machines being used... which I found a little surprising. I noticed it when one of my colleagues, who uses bash, tried to change his password. And another colleague had trouble using "sudo" while using bash as his shell; that cleared up after he explicitly invoked "sh", then invoked "sudo".) One of the tricks I have taken to using to circumvent much of this is to use /bin/csh as my "login shell"... but in ~/.cshrc, I cobbled up some code that "execs" tcsh if it can be found (and if it's not already running -- that part gets a little tricky). That way, I can use FTP, change my password, and login to various machines without being worried that my login shell won't be found, while still taking advantage of tcsh when it's available. The logic in question looks like: # Try to short-circuit some gunk. Only exec tcsh if interactive; bail if # doing a "which". if ( $?prompt != 0 ) then if { test -z "$prompt" } exit if ( ! $?HOSTTYPE ) then set tcsh = `which tcsh` if ( $?tcsh && "${tcsh}" != "$SHELL" && { test -x ${tcsh} } ) then setenv SHELL "$tcsh" exec $tcsh endif endif endif Note: please do *not* just blindly use the above. I went ahead and posted it in case someone might find it worth tearing apart and understanding... and maybe improving. Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 17 15:57: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [208.18.202.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A541C14BE0 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 15:57:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Stanislav@mail.bfm.org) Received: from WhizKid ([208.18.213.131]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:02:23 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990517174353.0096ac50@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:43:53 -0500 To: unknown@riverstyx.net From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Newbie tip Cc: Adam Szilveszter , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.19990516134529.0096a960@mail.bfm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 13:07 17-05-1999 -0700, unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: >But I'd suggest bash instead. Ref. "C Shell Programming Considered >Harmful" by Tom Christiansen (47.02 Unix Power Tools, 'coz I can't find >the original). It's not just scripting that tcsh is crippled in -- it's >just general command line stuff. Ick. Hmmm... When the suggestions started rolling in, I tried bash on my telnet account with my web hosting company. It changed my prompt to BashNN (where NN was the version number). I really hated that and never looked back. I prefer my own custom propmpt... Adam --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 17 16:33: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hades.riverstyx.net (hq-port-89.harbour-dhcp-pool.infinetgroup.com [207.23.37.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A14415337 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:33:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unknown@riverstyx.net) Received: from localhost (unknown@localhost) by hades.riverstyx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14446; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:39:40 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:39:40 -0700 (PDT) From: To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: Adam Szilveszter , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990517174353.0096ac50@mail.bfm.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org So change it... PS1 is the environment variable used for the prompt. try adding this to your .profile: export PS1="[\u@\h \W]\\$ " That'll give you a nice RedHat-like prompt :) --- tani hosokawa river styx internet On Mon, 17 May 1999, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > At 13:07 17-05-1999 -0700, unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: > >But I'd suggest bash instead. Ref. "C Shell Programming Considered > >Harmful" by Tom Christiansen (47.02 Unix Power Tools, 'coz I can't find > >the original). It's not just scripting that tcsh is crippled in -- it's > >just general command line stuff. Ick. > > Hmmm... When the suggestions started rolling in, I tried bash on my telnet > account with my web hosting company. It changed my prompt to BashNN (where > NN was the version number). I really hated that and never looked back. > > I prefer my own custom propmpt... > > Adam > --- > Want to design your own web counter? > Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 17 16:35:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from toxic.magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [204.188.6.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 99DDA1542C for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:35:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unfurl@toxic.magnesium.net) Received: (qmail 71079 invoked by uid 1001); 17 May 1999 23:35:40 -0000 Date: 17 May 1999 16:35:40 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:35:40 -0700 From: Bill Swingle To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie tip Message-ID: <19990517163540.A71029@dub.net> References: <3.0.6.32.19990517174353.0096ac50@mail.bfm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from unknown@riverstyx.net on Mon, May 17, 1999 at 04:39:40PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I use this nice color-ized bash prompt: PS1="\[^[[32m\]\u@\h\[^[[0m\]:\[^[[33m\]\w\[^[[0m\]\$ " :) -Bill On Mon, May 17, 1999 at 04:39:40PM -0700, unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: > So change it... PS1 is the environment variable used for the prompt. > > try adding this to your .profile: > > export PS1="[\u@\h \W]\\$ " > > That'll give you a nice RedHat-like prompt :) > > On Mon, 17 May 1999, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > > > At 13:07 17-05-1999 -0700, unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: > > >But I'd suggest bash instead. Ref. "C Shell Programming Considered > > >Harmful" by Tom Christiansen (47.02 Unix Power Tools, 'coz I can't find > > >the original). It's not just scripting that tcsh is crippled in -- it's > > >just general command line stuff. Ick. > > > > Hmmm... When the suggestions started rolling in, I tried bash on my telnet > > account with my web hosting company. It changed my prompt to BashNN (where > > NN was the version number). I really hated that and never looked back. > > > > I prefer my own custom propmpt... -- -=| Bill Swingle - unfurl@dub.net - unfurl@freebsd.org - bill@cdrom.com -=| "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers" Pablo Picasso To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 17 16:40:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hades.riverstyx.net (hq-port-89.harbour-dhcp-pool.infinetgroup.com [207.23.37.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F91B1540E for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:40:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unknown@riverstyx.net) Received: from localhost (unknown@localhost) by hades.riverstyx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14633; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:47:12 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:47:12 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Bill Swingle Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip In-Reply-To: <19990517163540.A71029@dub.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I can't stand having colors 'coz every time I use someone's remote terminal the color codes get mangled :) --- tani hosokawa river styx internet On 17 May 1999, Bill Swingle wrote: > I use this nice color-ized bash prompt: > > PS1="\[^[[32m\]\u@\h\[^[[0m\]:\[^[[33m\]\w\[^[[0m\]\$ " > > :) > > -Bill > > On Mon, May 17, 1999 at 04:39:40PM -0700, unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: > > So change it... PS1 is the environment variable used for the prompt. > > > > try adding this to your .profile: > > > > export PS1="[\u@\h \W]\\$ " > > > > That'll give you a nice RedHat-like prompt :) > > > > On Mon, 17 May 1999, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > > > > > At 13:07 17-05-1999 -0700, unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: > > > >But I'd suggest bash instead. Ref. "C Shell Programming Considered > > > >Harmful" by Tom Christiansen (47.02 Unix Power Tools, 'coz I can't find > > > >the original). It's not just scripting that tcsh is crippled in -- it's > > > >just general command line stuff. Ick. > > > > > > Hmmm... When the suggestions started rolling in, I tried bash on my telnet > > > account with my web hosting company. It changed my prompt to BashNN (where > > > NN was the version number). I really hated that and never looked back. > > > > > > I prefer my own custom propmpt... > > > -- > -=| Bill Swingle - unfurl@dub.net - unfurl@freebsd.org - bill@cdrom.com > -=| "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers" Pablo Picasso > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 17 16:40:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D031540E for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:40:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA14317; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:40:29 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990518094024.51272@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:40:24 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: unknown@riverstyx.net Cc: "G. Adam Stanislav" , Adam Szilveszter , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip References: <3.0.6.32.19990517174353.0096ac50@mail.bfm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from unknown@riverstyx.net on Mon, May 17, 1999 at 04:39:40PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, May 17, 1999 at 04:39:40PM -0700, unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: > So change it... PS1 is the environment variable used for the prompt. > > try adding this to your .profile: > > export PS1="[\u@\h \W]\\$ " > > That'll give you a nice RedHat-like prompt :) There's a pair of config files for bash with some annotations and a whole lot of different prompts to uncomment and try one at a time. If you want to grab them, note that you need both because they're designed to work together. http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/slow/bash_profile http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/slow/bashrc Essentially you copy them to your home directory and change the names to each begin with a dot, then read the actual files, following the instructions to make any changes needed. -- Regards, -*Sue*- (` ;) ' '` , <-- a moulting +0 budgerigar named Einstein , " ~ . ` To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 17 18:55:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58E514CFD for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:55:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id VAA00910; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:52:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199905180152.VAA00910@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: Newbie tip In-Reply-To: from Jukka Simila at "May 17, 99 07:28:55 pm" To: juksi@iname.com Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Cc: sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, adam@whizkidtech.net Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jukka Simila wrote, > But: > If you have a computer that can't be power-on for 24h / day, say, a computer > used mainly for text-editing (that old 486 :), wouldn't it be nicer to give > users a possibility to shut it down with their own password, rather than > delivering root's password to everyone, or recommending microsoft-style > shutdown "just switch the power off, it's all right then" :) > > Of course, better example than "sudo reboot" would have been "sudo halt" which > would do the obvious. On a computer at work that people need to be able to bring up and down, I did the following old trick, 1) I created a user called 'shutdown' 2) Made the user a member of group 'operator' (5). 3) Gave shutdown a startup shell something like, /usr/local/libexec/conshtdwn 4) Put something like the following in that file, #!/bin/sh if [ -z $REMOTEHOST ] && [ "x$HOST" = "x`hostname`" ]; then /sbin/shutdown -h now else echo "The computer may only be shutdown at the terminal." echo "" echo "This account is not available for login." exit 1 fi # NOT REACHED exit 2 5) Give the user, shutdown, a null password. This way, anyone, even someone without an account, can shutdown the computer gracefully at the terminal. This is much better than the other alternative of having them push reset or cycle the power on the running OS. I must admit I can't remember for sure how I did the check to make sure the login is not from a remote machine (for obvious reasons an anonymous shutdown from remote locations is a Bad Thing). The way I have done it here is for illustrative purposes, I do not think it is sure-fire or secure. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 17 19:46: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (merhaba.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B56314E96 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 19:46:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuyman@confusion.net) Received: from confusion.net (dialup-1-62.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.42.71]) by merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA24697; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3740D3B6.4D8323AD@confusion.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:43:02 -0400 From: Laurence Berland Organization: B.R.A.T.T. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Szilveszter Cc: juksi@iname.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Perhaps not an elegant way to do things, but... If you set a bios powerup password, then tell everyone that, they can just hit ctrl-alt-delete, which will do a shutdown -r even if you're not root, then have them turn it off when the bios password prompt comes up. Adam Szilveszter wrote: > > Hi! > > On Mon, 17 May 1999, Jukka Simila wrote: > > > > > On 17-May-99 Adam Szilveszter wrote: > > > [...] > > You don't even have to move the mouse, take two identical mouses and boot with > > another mouse installed, then switch it to the another, you have to reboot > > before win95 detects the new mouse. > :-)))))) Especially PS/2 mice behave that way... > > > > But: > > If you have a computer that can't be power-on for 24h / day, say, a computer > > used mainly for text-editing (that old 486 :), wouldn't it be nicer to give > > users a possibility to shut it down with their own password, rather than > > delivering root's password to everyone, or recommending microsoft-style > > shutdown "just switch the power off, it's all right then" :) > > Hmmmm. That's a different matter then. My computer is turned off every day > as well because my roommate cannot stand if it is running at night. But > I'm there so I always can turn it off. I have not thought the matter over, > obviously. from this perspective, your solution very much makes sense. > What I said is that one should be very careful in configuring packages to > be sudo but that said there are circumstances when it is necessary. The M$ > style shutdown idea is coooool, although some actually practice it in our > dorm as well and don't even know that it is bad... > > > > > "You cannot shut down the computer yourself, but just ask me and I will be > > there in a minute. Oh, I forgot, I won't be home until tomorrow.. Would you > > like to become a sysadmin?" :) > :-)))))) That's the result when I speak w/o thinking... yep. Obviously a > bug or config error inside my head. Has happened before as well. A fix, > anyone?:-))))) > > That aside, I was only considering single-user environments and LANs where > normal users cannot access the console anyway. That's because I was > drawing on my prevoius experience here at the dorm where only these > environments seem to occur:-) At home my family still uses Winsssssuxxx so > it is not a problem. Maybe I will bring in some change this summer...but > my machine was more urgent because it actually has Net access so I can > utilize FreeBSD's full potential. > > Regards: > Szilveszter > > Szeged University > Hungary > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Laurence Berland, Stuyvesant HS Debate <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. http://stuy.debate.net icq #7434346 aol imer E1101 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 17 21:55:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from server.bitmcnit.bryansk.su (bitmcnit.bryansk.ru [195.239.213.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1D814D37 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:53:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by server.bitmcnit.bryansk.su (8.8.8/8.8.7) with UUCP id IAA16503; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:37:21 +0400 Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01223; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:16:01 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from root@kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:16:00 +0400 (MSD) From: Alex Kapranoff To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie tip In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990516092026.00960770@mail.bfm.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 16 May 1999, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > At 11:42 16-05-1999 +0400, Alex Kapranoff wrote: > > "logout" is a built-in command in csh. "exit" is built-in in every shell ;) > >E.g., I never use csh, so logout does nothing but errmessages me. > > I did not know that. Which shell do you use? I am not happy with csh, but I use the most common /bin/sh + Demos Commander as a simple file manager. -- Alex Kapranoff, Voice: +7(0832)469245. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 18 9:46:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.go2france.com (go2france.com [209.51.193.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 78FF91548D for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:46:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lconrad@mail.go2france.com) Received: from mail.go2france.com [209.51.193.70] by mail.go2france.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A58789A00F0; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:21:43 EST5EDT From: "Len Conrad " Reply-To: "Len Conrad " Date: Tue, 18 May 99 11:21:43 EST5EDT To: FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: can't get started Message-Id: <19990518164625.78FF91548D@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've read the handbook in the terminal area, read the Lehey, and oreilly Essential System Admin, but I can't seem to put together the telnet/terminal bits. I'm running J-Term PRo in ansi mode on NT French with French kbd, but telnetting into fbsd 3.1, I can't get the TERM and keymap stuff sorted out to give me the French kbd. What's the syntax for the TERM env variable for ansi and whatever it takes to get the French kbd? Thanks, Len To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 18 19:56:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mu.egroups.com (mu.egroups.com [207.138.41.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A5C37150C9 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 19:56:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Thrumbar@Worldnet.att.net) Received: from [10.1.1.14] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 May 1999 03:56:51 -0000 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7ht99e$gdsi@eGroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 02:56:46 -0000 From: Thrumbar@Worldnet.att.net Subject: Installing 2 OS's on seperate drives? To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In the install guide the only info I find on installing multiple OS's is to put them on the same drive. Can boot manager be used to boot into separate OS's that reside on separate drives (C: FreeBSD, D: Win98).. Thrumbar@Worldnet.att.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 19 2:11:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nemesis.csi.forth.gr (nemesis.csi.forth.gr [139.91.151.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD2F152E5 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 02:11:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vsiris@csi.forth.gr) Received: from ismene-lane.csi.forth.gr (ismene-lane.csi.forth.gr [139.91.157.51]) by nemesis.csi.forth.gr (8.8.7/ICS-FORTH/V3) with ESMTP id MAA06367 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 12:11:21 +0300 (EET DST) Received: from sappho-lane.ics.forth.gr (sappho-lane.csi.forth.gr [139.91.157.50]) by ismene-lane.csi.forth.gr (8.8.8/ICS-FORTH/V3) with ESMTP id MAA14422; Wed, 19 May 1999 12:11:17 +0300 (EET DST) From: Siris Vasilios Received: (from vsiris@localhost) by sappho-lane.ics.forth.gr (8.8.8/ICS-FORTH/C1) id MAA14915; Wed, 19 May 1999 12:11:17 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:11:17 +0300 (EET DST) Posted-Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:11:17 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199905190911.MAA14915@sappho-lane.ics.forth.gr> Organization: Institute of Computer Science, Foundation for Research and Technology-Hellas (FORTH) Science and Technology Park of Crete Vassilika Vouton, P.O.Box 1385 GR 711 10 Heraklion, Crete, Greece tel.: +30 (81) 39 16 00, fax: +30 (81) 39 16 01 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: What do newbies do with FreeBSD? Cc: vsiris@ics.forth.gr Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello folks. Here's my testimony of what newbies do with FreeBSD. I came across FreeBSD because that was the platform used by CAIDA (Cooperative Association for Internet Data Analysis) for its Coral development (in short, this is drivers+software for capturing and analyzing traffic on a Pentium PC which passively taps an OC3 link). Hence, I use FreeBSD on a Pentium box for capturing traffic from a 155Mb/s OC3 link. Up to this point, I have installed and built a new kernel with no problem whatsoever. Indeed, everything has gone so smoothly that the other workstations I will be purchasing (to be used for analyzing traces), will definitely be Pentium boxes running FreeBSD. Why ? Well simply because my software runs on the Pentium (450Mhz w/256 MB) over three times faster than on our Enterprise and Ultra servers... As for administration? Well, when you learn how OSs should be built and grow up using BSD, then I think the task of administrating such a workstation will be at least less frightening than, e.g., administrating the NT workstation I have on my desk... Of course the above are my opinion... Regards Vasilios To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 19 2:37:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EEBE15452 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 02:37:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Networks.Manager@rncm.ac.uk) Received: from fs1.rncm.ac.uk ([193.63.96.100]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 10k2mg-000AMB-00; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:37:06 +0100 Received: from RNCM-FS1/MAILQUEUE by fs1.rncm.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 19 May 99 10:24:58 GMT Received: from MAILQUEUE by RNCM-FS1 (Mercury 1.44); 19 May 99 10:24:45 GMT Received: from rncm.ac.uk (193.63.96.102) by fs1.rncm.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 19 May 99 10:24:41 GMT Received: from RNCM-FS3/SpoolDir by rncm.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 19 May 99 10:36:51 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by RNCM-FS3 (Mercury 1.44); 19 May 99 10:36:42 GMT Received: from brick (193.63.96.36) by rncm.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 19 May 99 10:36:41 GMT From: "Peter McGarvey" To: "Siris Vasilios" Cc: Subject: RE: What do newbies do with FreeBSD? Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:36:41 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01bea1db$1a1d7340$24603fc1@brick.it-dept.rncm.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199905190911.MAA14915@sappho-lane.ics.forth.gr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hello folks. Greetings. > > Here's my testimony of what newbies do with FreeBSD. > [snippage] > > Indeed, everything has gone so smoothly that the other workstations > I will be purchasing (to be used for analyzing traces), will definitely be > Pentium boxes running FreeBSD. Why ? Well simply because my software > runs on the Pentium (450Mhz w/256 MB) over three times faster than > on our Enterprise and Ultra servers... I'd just like to check something here. Are you talking about _SUN_ Enterprise and Ultra Servers running Solaris? And are you also saying that FreeBSD on a P450 w.450MB will out perform similar spec machines or any machine? It's just that we are getting a Sun E250 and I'd like to know what to expect. Also, I've seen articles saying that Linux is cool but if you want a high performance OS for mission critical apps Solaris is the way to go. Get the impression that FreeBSD is suffering from a distinct lack of marketing? > > As for administration? Well, when you learn how OSs should be built > and grow up using BSD, then I think the task of administrating > such a workstation will be at least less frightening than, e.g., > administrating the NT workstation I have on my desk... You know sometines I look at our NT server and feel the urge to weep. What a waste of a nice PII-450 w. 256MB and Ultra2 SCSI IO. You know last night I used CVSup and "make world" for the first time. I had absolutely no problems upgrading the whole OS to 3.2-STABLE. The last service pack I installed on the NT box gave me a whole day of problems. > > Of course the above are my opinion... ditto. TTFN, FNORD -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Peter McGarvey, Networks Manager | email: Networks.Manager@rncm.ac.uk Royal Northern College of Music | tel: +44 (0)161 907 5218 124 Oxford Road, Manchester, | fax: +44 (0)161 273 7611 England M13 9RD | mobile: +44 (0)7887 990564 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 19 3:11: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nemesis.csi.forth.gr (nemesis.csi.forth.gr [139.91.151.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5283215007 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 03:10:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vsiris@csi.forth.gr) Received: from ismene-lane.csi.forth.gr (ismene-lane.csi.forth.gr [139.91.157.51]) by nemesis.csi.forth.gr (8.8.7/ICS-FORTH/V3) with ESMTP id NAA07751 Received: from sappho-lane.ics.forth.gr (sappho-lane.csi.forth.gr [139.91.157.50]) by ismene-lane.csi.forth.gr (8.8.8/ICS-FORTH/V3) with ESMTP id NAA15966; Wed, 19 May 1999 13:10:47 +0300 (EET DST) From: Siris Vasilios Received: (from vsiris@localhost) by sappho-lane.ics.forth.gr (8.8.8/ICS-FORTH/C1) id NAA15873; Wed, 19 May 1999 13:10:44 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 13:10:44 +0300 (EET DST) Posted-Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 13:10:44 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199905191010.NAA15873@sappho-lane.ics.forth.gr> Organization: Institute of Computer Science, Foundation for Research and Technology-Hellas (FORTH) Science and Technology Park of Crete Vassilika Vouton, P.O.Box 1385 GR 711 10 Heraklion, Crete, Greece tel.: +30 (81) 39 16 00, fax: +30 (81) 39 16 01 To: Networks.Manager@rncm.ac.uk, vsiris@csi.forth.gr Subject: RE: What do newbies do with FreeBSD? Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From Networks.Manager@rncm.ac.uk Wed May 19 12:37:42 1999 >> Hello folks. > >Greetings. > >[snippage] >> >> Indeed, everything has gone so smoothly that the other workstations >> I will be purchasing (to be used for analyzing traces), will definitely be >> Pentium boxes running FreeBSD. Why ? Well simply because my software >> runs on the Pentium (450Mhz w/256 MB) over three times faster than >> on our Enterprise and Ultra servers... > >I'd just like to check something here. > >Are you talking about _SUN_ Enterprise and Ultra Servers running Solaris? > >And are you also saying that FreeBSD on a P450 w.450MB will out perform >similar spec machines or any machine? > >It's just that we are getting a Sun E250 and I'd like to know what to >expect. > Let me be clear about this. The programs I am talking about do instensive math calculations, and do *no* disk I/O. The user+system CPU time on the FreeBSD machine (P450 w/450MB) about 40% the corresponding user+system CPU time on an Ultra-1 with one UltraSparc at 170 MHz running Solaris. I get similar results on Enterprise servers with similar CPUs. I have no numbers on other specs (e.g., related to disk I/O or video, but then these would depend highly on the controller and video card). Of course I am not saying that a FreeBSD machine is a better buy than a Sun Solaris machine, since this obviously depends on the hardware and what you value most. However, it seems clear to me that in terms of price/performance (at least in terms of number crunching), FreeBSD is the way to go ! >Also, I've seen articles saying that Linux is cool but if you want a high >performance OS for mission critical apps Solaris is the way to go. > >Get the impression that FreeBSD is suffering from a distinct lack of >marketing? > Yes, I have been catching up on Linux/BSD/Solaris reading and I have seen both your points. But I must also add that FreeBSD is also noted for its stability and speed (hence used by many *busy* www sites - yahoo being a notable example). Also, I think those working on FreeBSD have realized the lack of marketing and are trying to do something about it. (I for sure will help here by making my decision to go with FreeBSD known). Regards Vasilis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 19 3:44:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mhs.mhs.rosmail.com (mhs.rosmail.com [195.90.130.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D7DE31541A for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 03:44:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from 0824@08700000.mhs.rosmail.com) Received: from NetWare MHS (SMF70) by mhs.mhs.rosmail.com via Connect2-SMTP 4.32.03; Wed, 19 May 1999 13:36:26 +0300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:48:01 +0300 From: Vladislav SAFRONOV <0824@08700000.mhs.rosmail.com> Organization: Rosnet To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: X-SMF-Hop-Count: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="KOI8-R" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.32.03 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe freebsd-newbies To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 19 6:32:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D26C14E2A for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 06:32:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r9.bfm.org [208.18.213.105]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id JAA28363; Wed, 19 May 1999 09:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990519083141.0096a3d0@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:31:41 -0500 To: Thrumbar@Worldnet.att.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Installing 2 OS's on seperate drives? In-Reply-To: <7ht99e$gdsi@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:56 19-05-1999 -0000, Thrumbar@Worldnet.att.net wrote: >In the install guide the only info I find on installing multiple OS's is to put them on the same drive. Can boot manager be used to boot into separate OS's that reside on separate drives (C: FreeBSD, D: Win98).. Yes, it can. On my system Windows is on C, FreeBSD on D, but other than that, the same rules should apply. You need a boot manager on BOTH drives. Then, when you want to load FreeBSD from C, just press F2, or whatever key is presented as FreeBSD. When you want to load Windows, press F5 to load from drive D first. It will then load the boot manager from drive D: At that point press F1 to load Windows (the numbers may vary, but the principle remains). Adam --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 19 8: 3:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from abaseen.lums.edu.pk (abaseen.lums.edu.pk [203.128.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD3E15520 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 08:03:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from siddique@lums.edu.pk) Received: from chenab.lums.edu.pk (chenab.lums.edu.pk [203.128.0.3]) by abaseen.lums.edu.pk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA23951 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 20:03:24 +0500 (PKT) Received: from siddiqui (IBMPII350-254.lums.edu.pk [203.128.1.254]) by chenab.lums.edu.pk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA20119 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 20:04:22 +0500 Message-ID: <005301bea208$87fee6a0$fe0180cb@siddiqui.lums.edu.pk> Reply-To: "Muhammad Akram Siddiqui" From: "Muhammad Akram Siddiqui" To: Subject: Instalation problems Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:01:53 +0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01BEA232.70B64310" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BEA232.70B64310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All I am installing Freebsd 2.2.2.7 on Compaq Prosignia 486 DX 266 a server = class machine. 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------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BEA232.70B64310-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 19 9:53:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from leia.alpinecsi.com (mailcsi.armsweb.com [198.112.202.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 812B51507E for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 09:53:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Matthew_Amelin@alpinecsi.com) Received: by leia.alpinecsi.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.1.03 (436.3 7-23-1997)) id 85256776.005D3BEB ; Wed, 19 May 1999 12:58:21 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ALPINE From: "Matthew Amelin" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <85256776.005C9D9F.00@leia.alpinecsi.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:56:52 -0400 Subject: DHCP? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I want to use BSD to connect to my Server at work using DHCP. So I can browse to internet. I am using 3.0 FREEBSD . My network card is working fine but I cannot ping the gateway or the dns server. Could you tell me exactly what I need to do Step by step to set up my BSD to have a IP address assigned dynamically. The servers at work use TCP/IP. I also installed DHCPC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 19 10:24:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sjukebox.home (MCDXLVII.dyn.saunalahti.fi [195.197.4.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423EB14D60 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:24:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sjuke@saunalahti.fi) Received: (from sjuke@localhost) by sjukebox.home (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00823; Wed, 19 May 1999 17:24:49 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sjuke@saunalahti.fi) X-Authentication-Warning: sjukebox.home: sjuke set sender to sjuke@saunalahti.fi using -f Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7ht99e$gdsi@eGroups.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:24:48 +0300 (EEST) Reply-To: juksi@iname.com From: Jukka Simila To: Thrumbar@Worldnet.att.net Subject: RE: Installing 2 OS's on seperate drives? Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 19-May-99 Thrumbar@Worldnet.att.net wrote: > In the install guide the only info I find on installing multiple OS's is to > put them on the same drive. Can boot manager be used to boot into separate > OS's that reside on separate drives (C: FreeBSD, D: Win98).. > Yes, but I believe Windows has to be on the first drive, I'm not absolutely sure but I have a feeling that when I some time ago did that kind of install, windows didn't boot if it weren't the first. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jukka Simila EMail: ................juksi@iname.com IRC-nick: .............sjuke ------------------------------------------------------------------------- After an instrument has been assembled, extra components will be found on the bench. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 19 11: 5: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net (kalypso.cybercom.net [209.21.136.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205CF1558A for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:05:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ksmm@threespace.com) Received: from localhost (ksmm@localhost) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA27010; Wed, 19 May 1999 14:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:04:39 -0400 (EDT) From: The Classiest Man Alive X-Sender: ksmm@kalypso.cybercom.net To: Jukka Simila Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Installing 2 OS's on seperate drives? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Interestingly enough, I don't think Windows 98 suffers from that same problem. I have a setup where Windows NT and Windows 98 share a drive (in that order), and Windows 98 is able to boot even though it doesn't use the first partition on the first drive. I do believe 95 has problems starting on the second disk/partition though. K.S. On Wed, 19 May 1999, Jukka Simila wrote: : Yes, but I believe Windows has to be on the first drive, I'm not : absolutely sure but I have a feeling that when I some time ago did that : kind of install, windows didn't boot if it weren't the first. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 19 11:56:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from toledo.uswest.net (operations-dialup11.oss.uswest.net [209.180.23.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A2115164 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:56:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nitebirdz@uswest.net) Received: from uswest.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by toledo.uswest.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA00991; Wed, 19 May 1999 14:00:12 -0500 Message-ID: <37430A3B.DF484B6C@uswest.net> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:00:11 -0500 From: Nitebirdz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: The Classiest Man Alive Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing 2 OS's on seperate drives? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The Classiest Man Alive wrote: > > Interestingly enough, I don't think Windows 98 suffers from that same > problem. I have a setup where Windows NT and Windows 98 share a drive (in > that order), and Windows 98 is able to boot even though it doesn't use the > first partition on the first drive. I do believe 95 has problems starting > on the second disk/partition though. > > K.S. > > On Wed, 19 May 1999, Jukka Simila wrote: > > : Yes, but I believe Windows has to be on the first drive, I'm not > : absolutely sure but I have a feeling that when I some time ago did that > : kind of install, windows didn't boot if it weren't the first. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message I just checked the documentation for System Commander, and it seems to me that both Win95 and WinNT require to be installed in the first physical hard drive. Check these pages: http://www.v-com.com/support/osinstalls/notes/95notes.html http://www.v-com.com/support/osinstalls/notes/ntnotes.html http://www.v-com.com/support/osinstalls/osinstall.html Sorry, they did not offer any information on Win98, but I would assume that it behaves the same way as both Win95 and WinNT. Nitebirdz -- It's not too late to turn back from the "Gates" of Hell... Linux: the free 32-bit operating system, available NOW. Why waaaaaait for NT? (Brandon S. Allbery) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 19 12: 9:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net (kalypso.cybercom.net [209.21.136.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A231562C for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 12:09:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ksmm@threespace.com) Received: from localhost (ksmm@localhost) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA07086; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:09:02 -0400 (EDT) From: The Classiest Man Alive X-Sender: ksmm@kalypso.cybercom.net To: Nitebirdz Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing 2 OS's on seperate drives? In-Reply-To: <37430A3B.DF484B6C@uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You assume incorrectly. Windows 98 does NOT behave the same as Windows 95 in that context (which accounts for why you were able to find no information on it at the System Commander web site). Of course, I fail to understand the difficulty you have digesting my empirical experience, but I guess that's on you. I'd just hate to see your conjecture turned into misinformation on the Newbies mailing list. Also, it's worth pointing out that Windows doesn't need to be installed on the first partition of the first drive, it just needs to be able to write boot information there. That just requires that the first partition have a filesystem that's readable/writable by the OS in question. Again, WINDOWS 98 DOES NOT HAVE THIS DEFICIENCY. K.-- On Wed, 19 May 1999, Nitebirdz wrote: : The Classiest Man Alive wrote: : > : > Interestingly enough, I don't think Windows 98 suffers from that same : > problem. I have a setup where Windows NT and Windows 98 share a drive (in : > that order), and Windows 98 is able to boot even though it doesn't use the : > first partition on the first drive. I do believe 95 has problems starting : > on the second disk/partition though. : > : > K.S. : > : > On Wed, 19 May 1999, Jukka Simila wrote: : > : > : Yes, but I believe Windows has to be on the first drive, I'm not : > : absolutely sure but I have a feeling that when I some time ago did that : > : kind of install, windows didn't boot if it weren't the first. : > : > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org : > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message : : : : I just checked the documentation for System Commander, and it seems to : me that both Win95 and WinNT require to be installed in the first : physical hard drive. Check these pages: : : http://www.v-com.com/support/osinstalls/notes/95notes.html : http://www.v-com.com/support/osinstalls/notes/ntnotes.html : http://www.v-com.com/support/osinstalls/osinstall.html : : : Sorry, they did not offer any information on Win98, but I would assume : that it behaves the same way as both Win95 and WinNT. : : : : : : : Nitebirdz : : : : -- : It's not too late to turn back from the "Gates" of Hell... : Linux: the free 32-bit operating system, available NOW. : Why waaaaaait for NT? (Brandon S. Allbery) : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 19 15:50:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B95154FB for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:50:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: from akane (ppp114.pm3-0.pdx.dsinw.com [207.149.41.114]) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA01980; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:41:53 -0700 () From: Rick Hamell To: Peter McGarvey Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Publicity (WAS: RE: What do newbies do with FreeBSD?) In-Reply-To: <000a01bea1db$1a1d7340$24603fc1@brick.it-dept.rncm.ac.uk> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: hamellr@dsinw.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Also, I've seen articles saying that Linux is cool but if you want a high > performance OS for mission critical apps Solaris is the way to go. > > Get the impression that FreeBSD is suffering from a distinct lack of > marketing? This topic has been hounded to death on the -chat list. :) It's something that 'we' all would like to change. In my opinion, the best way to do so is to write articles about your successes with FreeBSD and get local user groups going. I'm on meeting number 2 of the second, and writing the first. :) Oh, and I'm slowly but surely migrating office servers to FreeBSD... without anybody noticing. :) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 19 18:47:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE15715508 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 18:47:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker ([210.55.152.50]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990520014930.FBDI7869945.mta1-rme@wocker>; Thu, 20 May 1999 13:49:30 +1200 From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary To: Rick Hamell Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 13:47:06 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Publicity (WAS: RE: What do newbies do with FreeBSD?) Reply-To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <000a01bea1db$1a1d7340$24603fc1@brick.it-dept.rncm.ac.uk> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990520014930.FBDI7869945.mta1-rme@wocker> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 19 May 99, at 15:41, Rick Hamell wrote: > This topic has been hounded to death on the -chat list. :) It's > something that 'we' all would like to change. In my opinion, the best way > to do so is to write articles about your successes with FreeBSD and get > local user groups going. I'm on meeting number 2 of the second, and > writing the first. :) Oh, and I'm slowly but surely migrating office > servers to FreeBSD... without anybody noticing. :) Yes. Write. That's what I did. But only for selfish reasons. I wrote because I wanted a record of what I did. When I got into trouble, I directed people to my website. Eventually others started using it to see how to do things. And the Diary was born. You can also organise installathons. Nothing fancy. Invite just one other person perhaps. Get them installed. Next time, do two people. Start advertising in the local computer shops and on the newsgroups. Eventually, you'll be getting larger groups turning up. By that time, you'll know what you're doing. With you, you'll bring in others who know more about the areas you don't. Eventually, it will be self-propelling. It's easy. But it takes a while. -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/freebsd/ NZ FreeBSD User Group - http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/ The Racing System - http://www.racingsystem.com/racingsystem.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 20 5:39:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sjukebox.home (MCCCXXVI.dyn.saunalahti.fi [195.197.4.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DFF514EFB for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 05:39:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sjuke@saunalahti.fi) Received: (from sjuke@localhost) by sjukebox.home (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00444; Thu, 20 May 1999 12:37:40 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sjuke@saunalahti.fi) X-Authentication-Warning: sjukebox.home: sjuke set sender to sjuke@saunalahti.fi using -f Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:37:36 +0300 (EEST) Reply-To: juksi@iname.com From: Jukka Simila To: The Classiest Man Alive Subject: RE: Installing 2 OS's on seperate drives? Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 19-May-99 The Classiest Man Alive wrote: > Interestingly enough, I don't think Windows 98 suffers from that same > problem. I have a setup where Windows NT and Windows 98 share a drive (in > that order), and Windows 98 is able to boot even though it doesn't use the > first partition on the first drive. I do believe 95 has problems starting > on the second disk/partition though. Cool, it really was an upgrade from 95 to 98 then. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jukka Simila EMail: ................juksi@iname.com IRC-nick: .............sjuke ------------------------------------------------------------------------- After an instrument has been assembled, extra components will be found on the bench. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 20 6:52:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from vicosa.dpi.ufv.br (vicosa.dpi.ufv.br [200.17.74.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D942A14CFE for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 06:52:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kernel@tdnet.com.br) Received: from tdnet.com.br (potts.dpf.ufv.br [200.18.137.160]) by vicosa.dpi.ufv.br (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with ESMTP id KAA07258 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 10:54:43 -0300 (GRNLNDST) Message-ID: <374411E5.8BCCF3@tdnet.com.br> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:45:09 -0300 From: System Administrator X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; OSF1 V4.0 alpha) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear GEntleman, i would like to upgrade from 2.2.8 stable to 3.0 stable! I went to ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/CTM/src-3 and got all src-3.00*.gz But when i did the make aout-to-elf-build and aout-ro-elf-install and the system uname -a output is: 3.1 Stable! Where can i download the 3.0 Stable CTM sources ? Thank's a lot! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 20 7:17:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sjukebox.home (MDXVIII.dyn.saunalahti.fi [195.197.5.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3F81506F for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 07:17:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sjuke@saunalahti.fi) Received: (from sjuke@localhost) by sjukebox.home (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00444; Thu, 20 May 1999 12:37:40 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sjuke@saunalahti.fi) X-Authentication-Warning: sjukebox.home: sjuke set sender to sjuke@saunalahti.fi using -f Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:37:36 +0300 (EEST) Reply-To: juksi@iname.com From: Jukka Simila To: The Classiest Man Alive Subject: RE: Installing 2 OS's on seperate drives? Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 19-May-99 The Classiest Man Alive wrote: > Interestingly enough, I don't think Windows 98 suffers from that same > problem. I have a setup where Windows NT and Windows 98 share a drive (in > that order), and Windows 98 is able to boot even though it doesn't use the > first partition on the first drive. I do believe 95 has problems starting > on the second disk/partition though. Cool, it really was an upgrade from 95 to 98 then. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jukka Simila EMail: ................juksi@iname.com IRC-nick: .............sjuke ------------------------------------------------------------------------- After an instrument has been assembled, extra components will be found on the bench. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 20 7:25:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from chopin.seattleu.edu (chopin.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84CAB14C06 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 07:25:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hodeleri@seattleu.edu) Received: from seattleu.edu ([172.17.41.90]) by chopin.seattleu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA04199; Thu, 20 May 1999 07:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3744191E.F59792E0@seattleu.edu> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 07:15:58 -0700 From: Eric Hodel Organization: Dis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: System Administrator Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0 References: <374411E5.8BCCF3@tdnet.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org System Administrator wrote: > > Dear GEntleman, > i would like to upgrade from 2.2.8 stable to 3.0 stable! > I went to ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/CTM/src-3 and got all src-3.00*.gz > But when i did the make aout-to-elf-build and aout-ro-elf-install and > the system uname -a output is: 3.1 Stable! > > Where can i download the 3.0 Stable CTM sources ? The way FreeBSD's development works is in two branches. -current is bleeding edge, breaks now and again, and has all sorts of things changing. -stable is more reliable than -current. Eveny now and again everything stablizes on -stable to the point where they make a release. 3.2 is the lastest release, and -stable gets new version numbers. 3.0-stable/3.1-stable/3.2-stable are all the same thing, -stable is probably best described as 3-stable or 3.x-stable -- Eric Hodel hodeleri@seattleu.edu "If you understand what you're doing, you're not learning anything." -- A. L. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 20 16:52:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mcn.xidian.edu.cn (mcn.xidian.edu.cn [202.117.114.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386F6158DC for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 16:51:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hzh@mcn.xidian.edu.cn) Received: from mcn.xidian.edu.cn (hzh [192.168.1.20]) by mcn.xidian.edu.cn (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA11684 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 07:39:15 +0800 Message-ID: <37449FE8.35D794D@mcn.xidian.edu.cn> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:51:04 +0800 From: HZH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-newbies Subject: about fvwm95-2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org dear all, I use "tar xfmz fvwm95-2.tgz" to install fvwm95-2; after that, I create the file .xinitrc in my home directory. In this file, I write the line "/usr/src/fvwm95-2/bin/fvwm95-2" to exec the command. But when I login, it can't run fvwm95-2. The error message is " pls 'brandelf' a file"! I don't know what's its meaning. pls explain it to me. thx. hzh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 21 19:30:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E3114F44 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 19:30:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA05656 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 22 May 1999 12:30:20 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:30:20 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199905220230.MAA05656@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 30 August 1998) (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 22 1:45:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204F81518D; Sat, 22 May 1999 01:45:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from GBoydUK@aol.com) Received: from GBoydUK@aol.com (14428) by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id nPOHa06834; Sat, 22 May 1999 04:45:08 -0400 (EDT) From: GBoydUK@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 04:45:08 EDT Subject: Polite Request To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, gavyb@coolmail.com, hzh@mcn.xidian.edu.cn, majordomo@freebsd.org, newbies@freebsd.org, owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, postmaster@mcn.xidian.edu.cn, unreal@coolmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sirs I have received Unsolicited Bulk E-Mail (UBE) apparently from yourselves or from one of your direct or indirect customers. I don't like it and would ask for your cooperation to put a stop to it. Most of the UBE I receive looks dishonest to me. I am sure your company isn't like that but you would do well to avoid using or permitting the same methods as these "spammers" lest you be tarred with the same brush. Also, you may be aware that a growing number of ISPs are taking to blocking incoming mail from "spam" domains. I don't want that to happen because I might lose legitimate mail and you might be inconvenienced. --- Copy of offending material follows --- > Subj: about fvwm95-2 > Date: 21/05/99 00:52:28 GMT Daylight Time > From: hzh@mcn.xidian.edu.cn (HZH) > Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > To: newbies@freebsd.org (FreeBSD-newbies) > > > > dear all, > > > > I use "tar xfmz fvwm95-2.tgz" to install fvwm95-2; after that, I create > > the > > file .xinitrc in my home directory. In this file, I write the line > > "/usr/src/fvwm95-2/bin/fvwm95-2" to exec the command. But when I login, > > it can't run fvwm95-2. The error message is " pls 'brandelf' a file"! > > I don't know what's its meaning. pls explain it to me. > > > > thx. > > > > hzh > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-zc02.mx.aol.com (rly-zc02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.2]) by air-zc05.mail.aol.com (v59.4) with SMTP; Thu, 20 May 1999 19:52:27 -0400 > Received: from coolmail.com ([207.36.192.105]) > by rly-zc02.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with SMTP id TAA07800 for ; > Thu, 20 May 1999 19:52:26 -0400 (EDT) > Received: (qmail 19705 invoked by uid 501); 20 May 1999 23:04:38 -0000 > Delivered-To: gavyb@coolmail.com > Received: (qmail 19702 invoked by uid 501); 20 May 1999 23:04:38 -0000 > Received: from bftoemail22.bigfoot.com (208.156.60.122) > by 207.36.192.105 with SMTP; 20 May 1999 23:04:38 -0000 > Received: from coolmail.com ([207.36.192.105]) > by bftoemail22.bigfoot.com (Bigfoot Toe Mail v1.0 > with message handle 990520_194652_2_bftoemail22_smtp; > Thu, 20 May 1999 19:46:52 -0500 > for a47pq98@bigfoot.com > Received: (qmail 19681 invoked by uid 501); 20 May 1999 23:04:32 -0000 > Delivered-To: unreal@coolmail.com > Received: (qmail 19676 invoked by uid 501); 20 May 1999 23:04:31 -0000 > Received: from hub.freebsd.org (204.216.27.18) > by 207.36.192.105 with SMTP; 20 May 1999 23:04:31 -0000 > Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 538) > id 46271158EA; Thu, 20 May 1999 16:52:15 -0700 (PDT) > Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP > id 3909C1CD89E; Thu, 20 May 1999 16:52:15 -0700 (PDT) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies) > Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 16:52:15 -0700 > Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Received: from mcn.xidian.edu.cn (mcn.xidian.edu.cn [202.117.114.10]) > by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386F6158DC > for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 16:51:59 -0700 (PDT) > (envelope-from hzh@mcn.xidian.edu.cn) > Received: from mcn.xidian.edu.cn (hzh [192.168.1.20]) > by mcn.xidian.edu.cn (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA11684 > for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 07:39:15 +0800 > Message-ID: <37449FE8.35D794D@mcn.xidian.edu.cn> > Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:51:04 +0800 > From: HZH > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: FreeBSD-newbies > Subject: about fvwm95-2 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Precedence: bulk > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 22 1:45:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204F81518D; Sat, 22 May 1999 01:45:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from GBoydUK@aol.com) Received: from GBoydUK@aol.com (14428) by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id nPOHa06834; Sat, 22 May 1999 04:45:08 -0400 (EDT) From: GBoydUK@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 04:45:08 EDT Subject: Polite Request To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, gavyb@coolmail.com, hzh@mcn.xidian.edu.cn, majordomo@freebsd.org, newbies@freebsd.org, owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, postmaster@mcn.xidian.edu.cn, unreal@coolmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sirs I have received Unsolicited Bulk E-Mail (UBE) apparently from yourselves or from one of your direct or indirect customers. I don't like it and would ask for your cooperation to put a stop to it. Most of the UBE I receive looks dishonest to me. I am sure your company isn't like that but you would do well to avoid using or permitting the same methods as these "spammers" lest you be tarred with the same brush. Also, you may be aware that a growing number of ISPs are taking to blocking incoming mail from "spam" domains. I don't want that to happen because I might lose legitimate mail and you might be inconvenienced. --- Copy of offending material follows --- > Subj: about fvwm95-2 > Date: 21/05/99 00:52:28 GMT Daylight Time > From: hzh@mcn.xidian.edu.cn (HZH) > Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > To: newbies@freebsd.org (FreeBSD-newbies) > > > > dear all, > > > > I use "tar xfmz fvwm95-2.tgz" to install fvwm95-2; after that, I create > > the > > file .xinitrc in my home directory. In this file, I write the line > > "/usr/src/fvwm95-2/bin/fvwm95-2" to exec the command. But when I login, > > it can't run fvwm95-2. The error message is " pls 'brandelf' a file"! > > I don't know what's its meaning. pls explain it to me. > > > > thx. > > > > hzh > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-zc02.mx.aol.com (rly-zc02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.2]) by air-zc05.mail.aol.com (v59.4) with SMTP; Thu, 20 May 1999 19:52:27 -0400 > Received: from coolmail.com ([207.36.192.105]) > by rly-zc02.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with SMTP id TAA07800 for ; > Thu, 20 May 1999 19:52:26 -0400 (EDT) > Received: (qmail 19705 invoked by uid 501); 20 May 1999 23:04:38 -0000 > Delivered-To: gavyb@coolmail.com > Received: (qmail 19702 invoked by uid 501); 20 May 1999 23:04:38 -0000 > Received: from bftoemail22.bigfoot.com (208.156.60.122) > by 207.36.192.105 with SMTP; 20 May 1999 23:04:38 -0000 > Received: from coolmail.com ([207.36.192.105]) > by bftoemail22.bigfoot.com (Bigfoot Toe Mail v1.0 > with message handle 990520_194652_2_bftoemail22_smtp; > Thu, 20 May 1999 19:46:52 -0500 > for a47pq98@bigfoot.com > Received: (qmail 19681 invoked by uid 501); 20 May 1999 23:04:32 -0000 > Delivered-To: unreal@coolmail.com > Received: (qmail 19676 invoked by uid 501); 20 May 1999 23:04:31 -0000 > Received: from hub.freebsd.org (204.216.27.18) > by 207.36.192.105 with SMTP; 20 May 1999 23:04:31 -0000 > Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 538) > id 46271158EA; Thu, 20 May 1999 16:52:15 -0700 (PDT) > Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP > id 3909C1CD89E; Thu, 20 May 1999 16:52:15 -0700 (PDT) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies) > Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 16:52:15 -0700 > Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Received: from mcn.xidian.edu.cn (mcn.xidian.edu.cn [202.117.114.10]) > by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386F6158DC > for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 16:51:59 -0700 (PDT) > (envelope-from hzh@mcn.xidian.edu.cn) > Received: from mcn.xidian.edu.cn (hzh [192.168.1.20]) > by mcn.xidian.edu.cn (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA11684 > for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 07:39:15 +0800 > Message-ID: <37449FE8.35D794D@mcn.xidian.edu.cn> > Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:51:04 +0800 > From: HZH > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: FreeBSD-newbies > Subject: about fvwm95-2 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Precedence: bulk > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 22 1:59:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E2515142 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 01:59:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA24023; Sat, 22 May 1999 18:28:21 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id SAA70264; Sat, 22 May 1999 18:28:19 +0930 (CST) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 18:28:18 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: GBoydUK@aol.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, gavyb@coolmail.com, hzh@mcn.xidian.edu.cn Subject: Your spam accusation (was: Polite Request) Message-ID: <19990522182818.D69879@freebie.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from GBoydUK@aol.com on Sat, May 22, 1999 at 04:45:08AM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday, 22 May 1999 at 4:45:08 -0400, GBoydUK@aol.com wrote: > Dear Sirs > > I have received Unsolicited Bulk E-Mail (UBE) apparently from > yourselves or from one of your direct or indirect customers. Not from FreeBSD-newbies, anyway. And what you attach below is not bulk email, it's a question to a mailing list. It is neither commercial nor bulk. If it's unsolicited, you should establish how it happened. I have just checked the FreeBSD-newbies mailing list, and you are not on it. It's possible that you were, but in that case it would have happened by a two-stage process requiring your explicit agreement to join. > I don't like it and would ask for your cooperation to put a stop to it. > > Most of the UBE I receive looks dishonest to me. If there's anything in the attached message which looks dishonest, you could at least describe this "dishonesty". It looks honest enough to me. I suspect, in fact, that this message is a form letter (can you spell "bulk"?), and you didn't examine this message at all. > I am sure your company isn't like that but you would do well to > avoid using or permitting the same methods as these "spammers" lest > you be tarred with the same brush. > > Also, you may be aware that a growing number of ISPs are taking > to blocking incoming mail from "spam" domains. I don't want that to > happen because I might lose legitimate mail and you might be > inconvenienced. Yes, I can understand this. This is why I block AOL. If you want to reply to me, please send mail from another domain. Please also don't copy the mailing lists (already trimmed in these headers), since we don't like unnecessary mail messages. Greg Lehey > --- Copy of offending material follows --- >> Subj: about fvwm95-2 >> Date: 21/05/99 00:52:28 GMT Daylight Time >> From: hzh@mcn.xidian.edu.cn (HZH) >> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >> To: newbies@freebsd.org (FreeBSD-newbies) >> >> >> >> dear all, >> >> >> >> I use "tar xfmz fvwm95-2.tgz" to install fvwm95-2; after that, I create >> >> the >> >> file .xinitrc in my home directory. In this file, I write the line >> >> "/usr/src/fvwm95-2/bin/fvwm95-2" to exec the command. But when I login, >> >> it can't run fvwm95-2. The error message is " pls 'brandelf' a file"! >> >> I don't know what's its meaning. pls explain it to me. >> >> >> >> thx. >> >> >> >> hzh -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 22 15:31:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hendrix.kazan (www.kazan.com [209.144.7.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8380014C1F for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:31:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kenny@kazan.com) Received: by HENDRIX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Sat, 22 May 1999 17:28:21 -0500 Message-ID: From: Kenny Felton To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Floppy boot Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 17:28:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am the newest of newbies and I'm trying to find out how to boot FreeBSD from a floppy. The handbook says I can load the kernel on a floppy and boot from it, but it doesn't say how. Is there any place I can look this up (i.e. a FAQ or mailing list archive). I'm sure this is a common question and I don't want to get flamed in FreeBSD-Questions because I didn't do enough research, but I need some other places to look. ====================================================== Kenny Felton email: kenny@kazan.com ====================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 22 15:42:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from b.mx.crl.com (bmx.crl.com [165.113.1.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C9314C3D for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:42:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anarchy@crl.com) Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by b.mx.crl.com (8.8.7/) via SMTP id PAA10834; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:42:18 -0700 (PDT) env-from (anarchy@crl.com) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 15:42:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Manes To: Kenny Felton Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Floppy boot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There are two ways, one by hand, and one by script. The script ways is just to run makeflp.bat, and insert pre-formatted disks (fat16 format). Otherwise, read the readme file in /floppies for instructions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 22 16:20:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B4514D43 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 16:20:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA08340; Sun, 23 May 1999 09:14:03 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990523091357.22759@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 09:13:57 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Kenny Felton Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Floppy boot References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Kenny Felton on Sat, May 22, 1999 at 05:28:19PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 05:28:19PM -0500, Kenny Felton wrote: > I am the newest of newbies and I'm trying to find out how to boot FreeBSD > from a floppy. The handbook says I can load the kernel on a floppy and boot > from it, but it doesn't say how. Is there any place I can look this up > (i.e. a FAQ or mailing list archive). I'm sure this is a common question > and I don't want to get flamed in FreeBSD-Questions because I didn't do > enough research, but I need some other places to look. When you do write to freebsd-questions, one thing you'll pick up real quick is that if there is any way to misread your question, they will. For example, if you sent the above question as is, you would likely get back: - how to find out about running PicoBSD - how to boot from a floppy and stipulate which partition to use - how to make your machine unbootable except from the floppy - how to use the floppies for emergency system repairs - how to create a custom boot floppy - how using a boot manager is better than floppies - a comment on the death of floppies - a reply that contains only "RTFM boot(8)" - a comment on your writing or mail formatting style - someone asking why, is this best for what you are trying to achieve - a long answer so full of mumbo jumbo that you feel afraid to speak - someone saying "That happened to me, my memory needed replacing" - a request for version information - a warning about using web browsers to download boot images and probably quite a few others. Your task would be to pick out the one that answers the question that you should have asked. It'll be in there, somewhere :-) On the other hand, if you were able to target your question more acurately at the outset, you'd get just one or two replies that gave exactly what you needed, with a possible followup if another reader wanted to correct something given in the first response. When coming from a point of little knowledge it's often hard to know what to say. Give as much information as you can, whether or not you're sure that it's relevant. For example, it's not always relevant to say which version of FreeBSD you're using, but always say that anyway. It doesn't hurt to mention you're a newbie either. Most people tend to go light on the basic details, assuming you know a few things and would be insulted by the newbie approach, and relying on you to come back if you need more detail. If you say "I'm new to FreeBSD but not (or and) unix" that too will help them to help you. If you do write a question that is slightly ambiguous to others, someone might ask you to provide particular information. Always be sure to respond to freebsd-questions rather than just privately. The person who asked for details might not be around to give individual support, but over a thousand others on the list will be. Once you've sorted out what your question is, send it to freebsd-questions. If you need more help formulating it, you can get that here, but get your answers from freebsd-questions only. Also, once your question is clearer you might be able to go straight to the answer by searching the freebsd-questions archives on the web site. If not, post your question so that the next person does find it when they do a search. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 22 16:22: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bbs.net-ten.com.br (bbs.net-ten.com.br [200.245.187.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DC7F91515E for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 16:21:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shadow@net-ten.com.br) Received: from MHS by bbs.net-ten.com.br with MHS id BEBDCLEN ; Sat, 22 May 1999 20:20:36 -0500 Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 20:19:44 -0500 From: shadow@net-ten.com.br Message-ID: Subject: Printer and Scanner To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, folks I've just installed FreeBSD 3.1 and I'd like to know: 1- How do I setup a Genius ColorPage SP-2 flatbed scanner, which uses a MS-PNR ISA Scsi card? Should I add some lines to GENERIC kernel in order to the system recognize it? 2-And what about the SondBlaster PnP 32 sound card? 3-Why does my HP Deskjet 660C print only non-formatted texts? When I try to print, for instance, a HTML page, instead of doing the right job, the output is: %!PS-Adobe-1.0 EPSF-3.0 %%BoundingBox: 0 0 595 842 %%Creator: Qt 1.42 %%CreationDate: Thu May 21 15:00:00 1999 %%Pages: 1 %%EndComments % Standard Qt prolog /D{bind def}bind def/ED (...) (...) and on, and on, and on... What these lines mean? How can I do to fix this problem? Replies will be appreciated, Roger to: IN:freebsd-install@FreeBSD.ORG cc: IN:freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 22 16:35: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A3714D43 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 16:34:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA08399; Sun, 23 May 1999 09:34:44 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990523093441.25893@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 09:34:41 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: shadow@net-ten.com.br Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Printer and Scanner References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from shadow@net-ten.com.br on Sat, May 22, 1999 at 08:19:44PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 08:19:44PM -0500, shadow@net-ten.com.br wrote: > to: IN:freebsd-install@FreeBSD.ORG > cc: IN:freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Roger, it looks like you've had a bit of trouble deciding which list to write to. Since you're asking a question, it goes to freebsd-questions, no matter what the level or type of question. Any installation question or newbie question should be sent to freebsd-questions too. Freebsd-newbies is not for help questions, except we do give advice on using the other lists or where to find documentation. Freebsd-install is not for help questions either. It is only for the people who actually code the installation stuff. So it's easy to remember: send all your questions to freebsd-questions and if it ever needs to go anywhere else, they'll let you know. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 22 18:31:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69B21514C for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 18:31:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vanderh@ecf.toronto.edu) Received: from localhost.nowhere (Hamilton-ppp44836.sympatico.ca [206.172.76.29]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA21899; Sat, 22 May 1999 21:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id VAA01562; Sat, 22 May 1999 21:32:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:32:14 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Sue Blake Cc: Kenny Felton , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Floppy boot Message-ID: <19990522213214.A1330@mad> References: <19990523091357.22759@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <19990523091357.22759@welearn.com.au>; from Sue Blake on Sun, May 23, 1999 at 09:13:57AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, May 23, 1999 at 09:13:57AM +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 05:28:19PM -0500, Kenny Felton wrote: > > I am the newest of newbies and I'm trying to find out how to boot FreeBSD > > from a floppy. The handbook says I can load the kernel on a floppy and boot > > from it, but it doesn't say how. Is there any place I can look this up > > For example, if you sent the above question as is, you would likely get back: > > - how to find out about running PicoBSD [...] > - someone saying "That happened to me, my memory needed replacing" Hehe. Someone would surely point out /etc/disktab. Just to help a little here, there's a reason the handbook doesn't tell you how to put a kernel onto a floppy (there's always a reason for things like that! :). Have a look at the size of your kernel (ls -l /kernel) and then consider the size of your standard floppy. A kernel's not enough to boot from a floppy, either. In this case, what you might be trying to ask is, "How do I use a floppy to boot my FreeBSD 3.2R machine? I can't/won't install a boot manager or any other wierd funky things like booteasy onto my hdd, so I need to boot using a floppy." [Caveat: Of course, there's always the _slim_ chance that this is not what you are really asking... ;-] What you should also do is, rather than just saying "the handbook says I can put a kernel on a floppy", say "the handbook, section x.y, says I can put a kernel on a floppy". Readers can then quickly check and say "Oh, now I see what he's talking about...". Not only that, but some reader might even check the handbook reference and say "Hmm... I think I'll go and add my answer to his question to the handbook", thus saving future newbies even more trouble. :-) Anyways, this is more likely to get a useful answer, too (probably the eighth item from Sue's list and the /etc/disktab reference are what you want). > Once you've sorted out what your question is, send it to > freebsd-questions. If you need more help formulating it, you can get > that here, but get your answers from freebsd-questions only. Hopefully nothing in my email has helped answer your question in any possible way. ;-) -- This .sig is not innovative, witty, or profund. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 22 22:58:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C37B14D74 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 22:58:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r42.bfm.org [208.18.213.138]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id BAA21139; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990523005754.0096b480@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 00:57:54 -0500 To: shadow@net-ten.com.br, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Printer and Scanner In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 20:19 22-05-1999 -0500, shadow@net-ten.com.br wrote: >3-Why does my HP Deskjet 660C print only non-formatted texts? >When I try to print, for instance, a HTML page, instead of doing the >right >job, the output is: >%!PS-Adobe-1.0 EPSF-3.0 >%%BoundingBox: 0 0 595 842 >%%Creator: Qt 1.42 >%%CreationDate: Thu May 21 15:00:00 1999 >%%Pages: 1 [etc] That is PostScript, the page description language. Apparently your printer driver is configured for a PostScript printer. You need to configure it for the HP 660C instead (I do not know how, sorry). Or you need to get a PostScript printer. :-) Adam --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.20 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 23 0: 8: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A4B14C3C for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 00:08:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id RAA09545; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:07:58 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990523170753.33897@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 17:07:53 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Aargghhh... I need your help! References: <3.0.6.32.19990523005754.0096b480@mail.bfm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990523005754.0096b480@mail.bfm.org>; from G. Adam Stanislav on Sun, May 23, 1999 at 12:57:54AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK folks, how about a bit of support where you can really make a difference. We have a problem at the moment because a web site somewhere is wrongly promoting freebsd-newbies as the place to get basic support, rather than freebsd-questions. I think I've tracked it down but it might take some time to fix. Meanwhile I'm depending on all of you to treat misled newcomers kindly while keeping to the charter of this list and setting a good example to those learning the ropes. Two wrongs don't make a right, they make a snowball. If you want to answer a question that was posted here in error, don't answer it here! Simply change the headers to readdress your reply directly to freebsd-questions, with a cc: to the person who asked the question (not back to this list). It should be no big deal. Some of you might want to follow up with a friendly personal email welcoming the person to FreeBSD and explaining the difference between the two lists, and why you sent your response to -questions (peer review, archiving, list charters and list posting rules). For bonus points throw in a few list-related URLs, like the Newbies FAK, the Newbies page and search page at FreeBSD.org, and the list charters page. We're still seeing answers to this list which are blatantly _off_topic_ for freebsd-newbies and should have gone to freebsd-questions. You all know better than that. Please everyone, remember: * If you really do know an answer, it belongs on freebsd-questions. * If you're concerned your answer won't hold up to scrutiny in freebsd-questions, then throwing it at unprotected newbies is the worst thing you could do. * If you like to help newbies with FreeBSD problems, help them in freebsd-questions. Only. Anything that is ON topic for freebsd-questions it is OFF topic for freebsd-newbies. * If you see a question here go unanswered, don't fret. Check freebsd- questions. Someone has likely pointed the person to the right place quietly without causing public embarrassment, or if not you can do it yourself. TIA -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 23 22:57:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hendrix.kazan (www.kazan.com [209.144.7.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A24A14C40 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 22:57:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kenny@kazan.com) Received: by HENDRIX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 24 May 1999 00:54:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: Kenny Felton To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: "'vanderh@ecf.utoronto.ca'" Subject: RE: Floppy Boot Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 00:54:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks Tim, youre non-answer was exactly what I was looking for. I was just looking for a better way to ask the question and some more places to look for answers. Sue, your response was very helpful, but I think that this is exactly the kind of question for the newbies list. It didn't ask for a specific answer to a specific question, but rather inquired where answers could be found and how questions should be asked. I've been looking at the Questions list and it's, at best, cluttered. If I can find resources to help answer my questions and help someone else also find resources to help answer their questions I think that would help the Questions traffic a lot. Your patience with us deserves merit and I have learned a lot from your answers, I just have a different opinion at times. -Kenny ====================================================== Kenny Felton email: kenny@kazan.com ====================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 24 13:40:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from 2n.pl (www.2n.pl [212.244.57.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 483201540C for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:40:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mp@2n.pl) Received: from oo ([212.244.57.193]) by 2n.pl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA04813 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:43:58 GMT (envelope-from mp@2n.pl) Message-ID: <01dc01bea625$8b0f7780$0c01a8c0@2n.pl> From: "mariusz p" To: Subject: version change Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:39:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi can some one tell me how without lost users data upgreate 2.2.6 system to 3.something ? Please dont ansfer ..."see man something" :o) Mariusz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 24 15:42:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A6014EFE for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 15:42:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@cream.org) Received: from [212.126.147.200] (helo=cream.org) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 10m3Pg-00041M-00; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:41:47 +0000 Message-ID: <3749D503.A668D09@cream.org> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:38:59 +0100 From: Andrew Boothman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mariusz p Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: version change References: <01dc01bea625$8b0f7780$0c01a8c0@2n.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org mariusz p wrote: > can some one tell me how without lost users data upgreate 2.2.6 system to > 3.something ? [This might appear to be a 'questions' question. But i believe that the person needs some general guidance before he gets stuck and goes to 'questions'] Basically, it's not a terribly simple operation. And my advice would be not to bother unless you need to. If you decide that you want to, you have 2.5 options : 1) Download the binaries of the new version from ftp.something.freebsd.org, most easily accomplished by booting of the new Release's boot diskette and choosing 'upgrade' 1.5) Basically the same a 1, but buy the CD-ROM set first. This is probably the best option if you live somewhere like Britain and are forced to pay by the minute for your internet access (See http://telecom.eu.org) 2) Update you system's source code to the new Release's code, and do a 'make world'. This is DEFIANTLY NOT recommended for someone new to the OS. The first two options are MUCH easier. See the Handbook for more info on this option. -- Andrew Boothman http://sour.cream.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 25 8:48:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.norcom.net.au (defiance.norcom.net.au [203.25.159.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 59CB11525A for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 08:48:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hutcho@norcom.net.au) Received: (qmail 2242 invoked from network); 25 May 1999 15:48:37 -0000 Received: from transporter24.norcom.net.au (HELO norcom.net.au) (203.25.159.54) by 203.38.29.161 with SMTP; 25 May 1999 15:48:37 -0000 Message-ID: <374AC54F.77668757@norcom.net.au> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 23:44:15 +0800 From: Evan John Hutchinson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org auth d64c63d1 unsubscribe freebsd-newbies hutcho@norcom.net.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 25 14:35:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from virtualia.combios.es (virtualia.combios.es [195.53.190.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B1E7B158AE; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:34:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from callback@workmail.com) Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (206.253.129.185) by virtualia.combios.es (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Tue, 25 May 1999 23:32:59 +0200 Received: from workmail.com (36229.rad.bbv.es [195.235.36.229]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id RAA18023; Tue, 25 May 1999 17:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:33:32 -0400 (EDT) From: callback@workmail.com Message-Id: <199905252133.RAA18023@pop01.globecomm.net> To: callback@workmail.com Subject: CAMBIO DE DIRECCION EMAIL Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Disculpe la intromisi髇. 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Related to with the system CallBack and system 800 (Virtual Cards) of IAS, they can to be laied at contact with our address main already knowed or with the following address info@callback.zzn.com Greetings -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EMAIL FREE AT NINE LANGUAGES AT http://callback.zzn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 25 14:48:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from front6.grolier.fr (front6.grolier.fr [194.158.96.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9445815A61 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:48:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bchesnea@club-internet.fr) Received: from chibacity (ppp-171-68.villette.club-internet.fr [195.36.171.68]) by front6.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with SMTP id XAA13424 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 23:48:30 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <005c01bea6f8$54811b00$44ab24c3@chibacity> From: "Benoit CHESNEAU" To: Subject: freebsd & linux Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 23:48:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0056_01BEA709.1457DF80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01BEA709.1457DF80 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0057_01BEA709.1457DF80" ------=_NextPart_001_0057_01BEA709.1457DF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi! someone tell me that freebsd is more rapid than linux ? It's true ? Why = do i choose freebsd compared to linux ? Awaiting your answer. thanks for advance. Benoit CHESNEAU ------=_NextPart_001_0057_01BEA709.1457DF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Wed, 26 May 1999 21:13:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from samit@usa.ltindia.com) Received: from partha.ltindia.com (usa.ltindia.com [10.1.5.1]) by mailrelay.ltindia.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA05312 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:08:11 -0500 Received: from usa.ltindia.com ([172.17.3.20]) by partha.ltindia.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA23644 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:46:52 +0530 Message-ID: <374CC790.D3B2493C@usa.ltindia.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:48:24 +0530 From: Samit Pal Reply-To: samit@usa.ltindia.com Organization: L&T X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Memory Leak Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Can u suggest any tools like purifier which are avialabel to find memory leaks in FreeBSD. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 28 19:30:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9527415AAA for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 19:30:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA13994 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 29 May 1999 12:30:11 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 12:30:11 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199905290230.MAA13994@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 30 August 1998) (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 28 21:34: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from makita.cc.gifu-nct.ac.jp (iwato.gifu-nct.ac.jp [202.223.137.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F6815010 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 21:33:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bachng@mail.com) Received: from shosho.archi.gifunct.ac.jp (shosho.archi.gifu-nct.ac.jp [10.28.24.14]) by makita.cc.gifu-nct.ac.jp (2.0 Build 2131 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA02226 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 13:33:42 +0900 Message-ID: <007801bea98c$79183de0$0e181c0a@archi.gifunct.ac.jp> Reply-To: "Nguyen Huu Bach" From: "Nguyen Huu Bach" To: "freebsd-newbie" Subject: sysinstall question Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 13:33:58 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org after rebuilt kernel I deleted kernel.old & kernel.GENERIC. From then I can not run sysinstall ( it stops when probing devices) What's the prolem ? Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 30 15: 8:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.263.net (unknown [202.96.44.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 407C214E5A for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 15:08:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from l_x@263.net) Received: (fmail 2057 invoked from network); 30 May 1999 14:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO default) (202.102.143.100) by 202.96.44.19 with SMTP; 30 May 1999 14:03:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 6:5:42 +0800 From: liuxin Reply-To: l_x@263.net To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: problem for install Organization: Taian Electrical Power Comp. X-mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [cn] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="GB2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990530220815.407C214E5A@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hello, I've got a free-bsd live filesystem CD, the content of cd-rom.inf is 'CD_VERSION = 2.2.5-RELEASE'. My machine support cd-rom boot and it does booted up. Hardwares had been detected correctly,and new filesystem created succesfully.but then I got a error message says that 'couldn't extract the distributions : bin'. I've tried various methods,install from cd-rom,from existing fielsystem,upgrade,etc.All seems goes ok from beginning but then ended at the error message. So what could I do with that cd?Thanks in advance. liusin, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 31 7:44:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from www5.cybercity.dk (www5.cybercity.dk [212.242.42.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB9214F40 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 07:44:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@netlink.se) Received: from alexnt (nl210.cybercity.dk [212.242.42.210]) by www5.cybercity.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA11283 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 16:44:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex@netlink.se) From: "Alex Netlink Support" To: Subject: ISDN Router Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 16:42:07 +0200 Message-ID: <001401beab73$c19fd9e0$d22af2d4@cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01BEAB84.8528A9E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BEAB84.8528A9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi ! I curious to know if someone knows if S.u.S.E 6.0 supports the Zyxel prestige ih 100 Router, and if, in what package can i find it !? Thanks in advance Alex ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BEAB84.8528A9E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BEAB84.8528A9E0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 31 12:39:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from c004.sfo.cp.net (c004-h005.c004.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4BC0214C41 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 12:39:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mistrM@gtemail.net) Received: (cpmta 5266 invoked from network); 31 May 1999 12:39:29 -0700 Received: from 216-32-43-152.irv0.flashcom.net (HELO MM) (216.32.43.152) by smtp.flashcom.net with SMTP; 31 May 1999 12:39:29 -0700 X-Sent: 31 May 1999 19:39:29 GMT From: "Mr. M" To: "Alex Netlink Support" Subject: RE: ISDN Router Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:41:27 -0700 Message-ID: <002801beab9d$930758e0$982b20d8@MM.compulsiv.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01BEAB62.E6A880E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-reply-to: <001401beab73$c19fd9e0$d22af2d4@cybercity.dk> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BEAB62.E6A880E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SuSE is a Linux Distribution *not* FreeBSD. Try www.suse.com Hi ! I curious to know if someone knows if S.u.S.E 6.0 supports the Zyxel prestige ih 100 Router, and if, in what package can i find it !? Thanks in advance Alex ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BEAB62.E6A880E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BEAB62.E6A880E0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 1 16:43:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from MIS.Net (mailhost.mis.net [204.68.227.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C079414DC3 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:43:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nethdnd@mis.net) Received: from mis.net (danky-ras1-088.mis.net [206.28.32.88]) by MIS.Net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA27085 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <375470CB.658BC45F@mis.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 19:46:19 -0400 From: Ken R X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: ports won't make Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, When I try to make install in a port, I get an error that I have the wrong version of perl in /usr/bin. I have freebsd 3.1 and perl 5.005_02. Any ideas what's wrong? KR To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 1 16:51: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from blues.ghis.net (slcan53p61.ozemail.com.au [203.108.176.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1784914D20 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:50:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@blues.ghis.net) Received: (from jim@localhost) by blues.ghis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10543; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:50:47 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:50:45 +1000 From: Jim Mock To: Ken R Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ports won't make Message-ID: <19990602095045.A10489@blues.ghis.net> Reply-To: jim@blues.ghis.net References: <375470CB.658BC45F@mis.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.1i In-Reply-To: <375470CB.658BC45F@mis.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 01 Jun 1999 at 19:46:19 -0400, Ken R wrote: > Hello, > > When I try to make install in a port, I get an error that I have > the wrong version of perl in /usr/bin. > > I have freebsd 3.1 and perl 5.005_02. > > Any ideas what's wrong? Install the proper upgrade kit from http://www.freebsd.org/ports/ . Perl 5.005_03 is needed, and binaries are in the upgrade kit. -- - Jim Mock - jim@blues.ghis.net - systems administrator - ghis.NET - - work: http://www.ghis.net/ - personal: http://www.ghis.net/~jim/ - - FreeBSD 'zine: http://www.freebsdzine.org/ - jim@freebsdzine.org - - FreeBSD: http://advocacy.freebsd.org/ - jim@advocacy.FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 1 16:57:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from blues.ghis.net (slcan53p61.ozemail.com.au [203.108.176.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA10B1503F for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:57:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@blues.ghis.net) Received: (from jim@localhost) by blues.ghis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10622; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:57:00 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:56:59 +1000 From: Jim Mock To: Ken R Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Sorry about that (was Re: ports won't make) Message-ID: <19990602095659.C10489@blues.ghis.net> Reply-To: jim@blues.ghis.net References: <375470CB.658BC45F@mis.net> <19990602095045.A10489@blues.ghis.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.1i In-Reply-To: <19990602095045.A10489@blues.ghis.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I figured I'd send this off before I felt the wrath of Sue for answering a question on -newbies =) I hadn't realized what list it was sent to before I replied. It should've gone to -questions, not -newbies. Sorry about that Sue. [Ken, make sure you ask your questions on the -questions list] Later, -- - Jim Mock - jim@blues.ghis.net - systems administrator - ghis.NET - - work: http://www.ghis.net/ - personal: http://www.ghis.net/~jim/ - - FreeBSD 'zine: http://www.freebsdzine.org/ - jim@freebsdzine.org - - FreeBSD: http://advocacy.freebsd.org/ - jim@advocacy.FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 4 19:30:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9FF14F29 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 19:30:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA14944 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:30:32 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:30:32 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199906050230.MAA14944@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 30 August 1998) (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 4 23: 5: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from www.gglb.com (unknown [202.103.237.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82ABD14EFE for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:04:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gglb@public.nn.gx.cn) Received: from mail pickup service by www.gglb.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:50:49 +0800 From: To: Subject: 广告联邦更新快递 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:50:48 +0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Message-ID: <008d74950050569WWW@www.gglb.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 广告联邦更新快递---------------- http://www.gglb.com 1、全新推出“免费分类广告“栏目 http://ad.gglb.com 您可以在此发布您的一切 合法信。 2、全国唯一的“广告人聊天室”诚邀您在此倾听广告人的心声，交流广告人的经 验。 3、在“广告论坛”，你可以找到一个广告人真正交流的空间。 4、广告联邦收录了全国著名的广告公司，广告材料公司，广告设备公司，查询更快 捷，增加更方便。 5、最新国内广告新闻，广告动态。 6、全新推出苹果软件大赠送：多种设计、图形软件无限制高速下载。 7、大量国内优秀广告图库，皆为全国各地的户外广告图形，原版赠送，希望能给您 带来灵感。 来广告联邦，做联邦广告............ http://www.gglb.com 广告联邦下载站点：................ http://download.gglb.com 最重要的一点，您在“广告联邦”所做的一切，都是免费的。 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 5 16:45:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from o1.telstra.easymail.com.au (unknown [192.148.129.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E803115447 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 16:45:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from royman@telstra.easymail.com.au) Received: from telstra.easymail.com.au ([192.148.129.80]) by o1.telstra.easymail.com.au (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA5A4E for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 09:46:53 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: unusual request Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 09:46:53 +1000 Message-ID: <77273E2B122D.AAA5A4E@o1.telstra.easymail.com.au> From: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I emigrated to australia 25 years ago. and would like to get in contact with all my old buddies in England. I remember names but not addresses (chances are they've moved anyway). I was born and raised in Hayes Middlesex so perhaps if someone can give me, or tell me how to get the e-mail address of the local newspaper there or similar suggestion I would be very gratefull cheers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message