From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 12 3:16:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web603.mail.yahoo.com (web603.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D6434154A5 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:16:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jorgandar@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19990912101550.27462.rocketmail@web603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.65.100.9] by web603.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:15:50 PDT Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:15:50 -0700 (PDT) From: jorgandar blackmoon Subject: Rmaking freeBSD more pretty :) To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a newbie contrast of linux vs. freeBSD: There are a few neet-o things linux does (well..at least RH 6.0 distro.) that freeBSD dosent and i simply *can't* live without these features: 1) If you 'ls' under linux, you can configure it to color code directories vs. files vs. executables ect. Not only is it really pretty, it's much easier for me to identify what's what. How can this be done under freebsd? 2) If you press shift+ page up [down] under linux you can scroll up and down the console in case things dont fit on one screen (as they often do not.). I CANT live without this feature, i cant get any work done w/o it. 3) is there gpm (mouse services) for freebsd? I really want to find a way to emulate the previous features under freeBSD. Then and only then will i say good-bye to linux. Any help on these issues? thankx :) ~Joe~ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 12 3:32:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from staff.cs.usyd.edu.au (staff.cs.usyd.edu.au [129.78.8.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 298DB14E0E for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:32:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mhenry@hons.cs.usyd.edu.au) Subject: Re: Rmaking freeBSD more pretty :) To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:32:43 +1000 (EST) From: "Michael Henry" In-Reply-To: <19990912101550.27462.rocketmail@web603.mail.yahoo.com> from "jorgandar blackmoon" at Sep 12, 99 03:15:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 714 Message-Id: <19990912103251.298DB14E0E@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > 1) If you 'ls' under linux, you can configure it to color code > directories vs. files vs. executables ect. Not only is it really > pretty, it's much easier for me to identify what's what. How can this > be done under freebsd? This is the GNU ls(1). You just need to go to /usr/ports/misc/gnuls and type "make install" to get it. > 2) If you press shift+ page up [down] under linux you can scroll up and > down the console in case things dont fit on one screen (as they often > do not.). I CANT live without this feature, i cant get any work done > w/o it. press "scroll lock", and then you can use "page up" and "page down" to go up and down. > 3) is there gpm (mouse services) for freebsd? Of course. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 12 9: 8:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.netcologne.de (mail2.netcologne.de [194.8.194.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2B1153D7 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:08:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dr@domix.de) Received: from domix.de (dial-ra-nc2-165.netcologne.de [195.14.244.165]) by mail2.netcologne.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25353; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:08:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dr@localhost) by domix.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00728; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:06:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from dr) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:06:52 +0200 From: Dominik Rothert To: jorgandar blackmoon Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rmaking freeBSD more pretty :) Message-ID: <19990912180652.A638@speed.localnet.lan> References: <19990912101550.27462.rocketmail@web603.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <19990912101550.27462.rocketmail@web603.mail.yahoo.com> X-Encryption: PGP/GnuPG key available X-URL: http://www.domix.de X-OS: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org jorgandar blackmoon wrote: Hello, > 1) If you 'ls' under linux, you can configure it to color code > directories vs. files vs. executables ect. Not only is it really > pretty, it's much easier for me to identify what's what. How can this > be done under freebsd? Be root and... # cd /usr/ports/misc/gnuls # make # make install clean > 2) If you press shift+ page up [down] under linux you can scroll up and > down the console in case things dont fit on one screen (as they often > do not.). I CANT live without this feature, i cant get any work done > w/o it. Press SCROLL, release, then use pgnup and pgndown to scroll. Press SCROLL again to deactivate scroll-mode. > 3) is there gpm (mouse services) for freebsd? # vidcontrol -m on If you need it for all console, put allscreen_flags="-m on" into /etc/rc.conf. Best wishes, Dominik Rothert. -- Dominik Rothert E-Mail: dr@domix.de WWW: http://www.domix.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 12 11: 4:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt014nb6.san.rr.com (dt014nb6.san.rr.com [24.30.129.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D30614D23 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:02:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt014nb6.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04614; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:07:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <37DBDDED.317C64D3@gorean.org> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:07:57 -0700 From: Doug Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT-0904 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jorgandar blackmoon Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rmaking freeBSD more pretty :) References: <19990912101550.27462.rocketmail@web603.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org jorgandar blackmoon wrote: > > This is a newbie contrast of linux vs. freeBSD: I think others have answered your questions pretty well, so I'll deal with another aspect of your question. All of the info that you were looking for is available on our web page. You might want to spend an hour or two perusing the Handbook and especially the FAQ. It's not that we don't want to answer your questions, it's more that there are very likely answers available there to questions you haven't even thought to ask yet, and learning to be more self-sufficient will both serve you well and impress people when it comes time to ask a question you really can't find the answer to. Good luck, Doug PS, I use gnuls too and I really like it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 12 13:30:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2DB153D6; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:30:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gummibear@mediaone.net) Received: from g7b5g3 (we-24-130-62-170.we.mediaone.net [24.130.62.170]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA03925; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990912132339.0079da00@we.mediaone.net> X-Sender: gummibear@we.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:23:39 -0700 To: questions@freebsd.org, newbies@freebsd.org From: Joey Garcia Subject: BSD Users of Los Angeles Meeting, 9-25-99 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello All! This is to let those you in the Los Angeles area know that there will be a genteral BSD meeting held on 9/25/99 in the city of Downey. For those of you interested in attending, reply with interest and I'll provide you with further information and directions to the meeting location (which will be held at my home). Here's some of the topics I was looking forward to discussing: 1.) BSD Advocacy - More press releases, more BSD news, and such 2.) BSD Help - How to setup various software packages and system administration 3.) BSD Software - Help on various 3rd party software on BSD systems 4.) BSD and X - Help and dicussions on window managers and software for X I have a cable modem connection for those of you that don't have a speedy connection and are interested in installing over the net. Also, we can use it to search out and try to catalog various BSD related sites. The only problem is that I'll be needind a NATD box and a hub. If anyone would like to bring over some hardware, it would be greatly appreciated. I hope to see you then. Joey "bsd_usr" Garcia BSD Users of Los Angeles, Founder http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/bsdusersoflosangeles bsd_usr@yahoo.com, gummibear@mediaone.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 12 18:50:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from milkyway.org (lta-r-1.usit.net [205.241.194.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B704A14D9C for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:50:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toby@milkyway.org) Received: from milkyway.org (rigel.milkyway.org [205.241.194.19]) by milkyway.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id VAA01461; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37DC5A58.FDD92F33@milkyway.org> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:58:48 -0400 From: Toby Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bcohen@bpecreative.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: like, way new newbie--like, way dumb newbie question References: <000201befca3$9fd52f50$dfdfdfdf@mojomatic> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bob Cohen wrote: > Can a free-bsd box be used as a file > server for a windows peer-to-peer network? It can if you run samba on the FreeBSD box. Toby To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 13 6:21:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from news.uni-kl.de (news.uni-kl.de [131.246.137.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A4AC15364; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:21:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from naddy@unix-ag.uni-kl.de) Received: from sushi.unix-ag.uni-kl.de ( root@sushi.unix-ag.uni-kl.de [131.246.89.13] ) by news.uni-kl.de id aa06168 ; 13 Sep 1999 15:23 MESZ Received: from gnocchi.unix-ag.uni-kl.de (gnocchi.unix-ag.uni-kl.de [131.246.89.12]) by sushi.unix-ag.uni-kl.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA01455; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:21:01 +0200 Received: (from naddy@localhost) by gnocchi.unix-ag.uni-kl.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) id PAA29212; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:21:07 +0200 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:21:07 +0200 From: Christian Weisgerber Message-Id: <199909131321.PAA29212@gnocchi.unix-ag.uni-kl.de> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rmaking freeBSD more pretty :) X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd.newbies In-Reply-To: <19990912103251.298DB14E0E@hub.freebsd.org> References: <19990912101550.27462.rocketmail@web603.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks, according to the list charter this thread should go to -questions. Reply-To set accordingly. Michael Henry: > > 1) If you 'ls' under linux, you can configure it to color code > > directories vs. files vs. executables ect. > > This is the GNU ls(1). You just need to go to /usr/ports/misc/gnuls > and type "make install" to get it. You might want to use the colorls port instead. colorls is the normal BSD ls with color support added. GNU ls has a somewhat different set of options. (Personally I think colored ls output is an abomination, and I rather use alias ls='/bin/ls -F', but this cleary *is* a matter of personal preference.) > > 3) is there gpm (mouse services) for freebsd? > > Of course. It's called moused. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@unix-ag.uni-kl.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 13 10:59: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (mail0.mailsender.net [209.132.1.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313C715707 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:59:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brucealeg@ngga.com) Received: from dcf.state.fl.us.be (205.176.229.57) by mail0.mailsender.net; 13 Sep 1999 10:53:58 -0700 Subject: PKG and RPM and what lib?? From: Bruce Leggett Reply-To: Bruce Leggett Message-ID: <0003546b7ba374e5_mailit@mail.ngga.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:59:02 -0400 X-Mailer: BeatWare Mail-It 2.0.2 X-BeOS-Platform: Intel or clone X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org All, I'm new to FreeBSD and have a few questions. 1. I assume PKGs replace RPMs, but can the RPM feature be added if I get it from rpm.com?? Or do I need to find my fav software in PKG format exclusively. 2. What Libs version does FreeBSD 3.2 use? I'm use to find stuff that runs in GLIBC. If I use Linux software with BSD that is GLIBC will it work? IE..will Quake 3 work under FreeBSD? If things are totally diffrent what do I look for in a compatible Linux binary? Any help with these questions is appreciated. Thanks, -- Bruce Leggett "CEO" Next Generation Entertainment "The best games played better" mailto:brucealeg@ngent.com phone: 850-212-5336 www.ngent.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 13 10:59:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (mail0.mailsender.net [209.132.1.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD37315707 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:59:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brucealeg@ngga.com) Received: from dcf.state.fl.us.be (205.176.229.57) by mail0.mailsender.net; 13 Sep 1999 10:54:06 -0700 Subject: Gnome wont start. From: Bruce Leggett Reply-To: Bruce Leggett Message-ID: <0003546b7c1c910a_mailit@mail.ngga.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:59:10 -0400 X-Mailer: BeatWare Mail-It 2.0.2 X-BeOS-Platform: Intel or clone X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org All, I bought the FreeBSD Power Pack and installed a 3.2 generic system. When I did this I opted to make Gnome my main overlay (not sure the correct term for this). I use KDE in Linux so I thought this would be a great chance to use the competition..so to say. Well if I use startx the system comes up into what looks like Aftersomething (not sure, never used this before). If I type gnome-session from the command line I get the following error: gtk-warning **: cannot open display X Windows starts and runs just fine, so I'm confused as to what the problem could be. My system is as follows: Dell P3-500 BX 128mb ATI Rage Pro Xfree 3.1.1.1 Any help is appreciated. Thanks. -- Bruce Leggett "CEO" Next Generation Entertainment "The best games played better" mailto:brucealeg@ngent.com phone: 850-212-5336 www.ngent.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 13 18:50:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from alexandria.thedial.com (alexandria.thedial.com [204.252.162.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B1A14C05 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:50:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from james@thedial.com) Received: from mukmuk.thedial.com ([204.252.162.131] helo=thedial.com) by alexandria.thedial.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Qhln-000PLs-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:52:31 -0700 Message-ID: <37DDBB6B.2FD51DC5@thedial.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:05:15 -0700 From: james Organization: theDial < www.thedial.com > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Gnome wont start. References: <0003546b7c1c910a_mailit@mail.ngga.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bruce Leggett wrote: > > All, > I bought the FreeBSD Power Pack and installed a 3.2 generic system. When I > did this I opted to make Gnome my main overlay (not sure the correct term for > this). I use KDE in Linux so I thought this would be a great chance to use > the competition..so to say. Well if I use startx the system comes up into > what looks like Aftersomething (not sure, never used this before). If I type > gnome-session from the command line I get the following error: > > gtk-warning **: cannot open display whenever i've gotten that, it had to do w/ something i mis-typed in my Bash config file. if you use Bash, make sure you have a line like this in your /$HOME/.bashrc file: DISPLAY='mukmuk:0.0' ("mukmuk" being the equivalent of whatever your machines' name is.....) hope this helps, james ---------------------------------------------------------------- james nigh systems administrator/webmaster icq 27459905 theDial "Broadcasting for the New World" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 14 13:53:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from drip.puddle.net (cx288885-b.okcs1.ok.home.com [24.4.98.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0C414CAA for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:53:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from river@theriver.nu) Received: by cx288885-b.okcs1.ok.home.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:58:18 -0500 Message-ID: <21DC5E98AE1FD311B1290020AFDB6C6E63CE@cx288885-b.okcs1.ok.home.com> From: river To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: Seting up this machine as a gateway Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:58:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have looked over the docs and wanted to make sure that I could do this: I have a BSD box setup and connected to the internet directly via ethernet. On this same lan I have my internal network 10.x.x.x, and already have a proxy server for my win NT side. But I have more than 1 BSD machine (1 connected to the internet, and 1 on my internal net) and wanted the internal one to be able to connect to the internet through the directly connected one. Mainly for ftp and telnet....although I might want to move other ports through in the future. Do I need to setup the directly connected BSD box with 2 IP's bound to the same NIC (external and internal networks) and set the gateway_enable="YES" ? and go from there ? If there is a web page or docs I am overlooking for this, please point me in that direction and I will go and look them over for setup.... Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 14 16:10: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu (exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E3951533D for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:09:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hodeleri@seattleu.edu) Received: from seattleu.edu (ppp4.pm2a.wport.com [206.129.99.54]) by exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id SV1F9V8Y; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:07:34 -0700 Message-ID: <37DED5D4.82D455E4@seattleu.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:10:13 -0700 From: Eric Hodel Organization: Dis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: river Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Seting up this machine as a gateway References: <21DC5E98AE1FD311B1290020AFDB6C6E63CE@cx288885-b.okcs1.ok.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org river wrote: > > I have looked over the docs and wanted to make sure that I could do this: > > I have a BSD box setup and connected to the internet directly via ethernet. > On this same lan I have my internal network 10.x.x.x, and already have a > proxy server for my win NT side. But I have more than 1 BSD machine (1 > connected to the internet, and 1 on my internal net) and wanted the internal > one to be able to connect to the internet through the directly connected > one. Mainly for ftp and telnet....although I might want to move other ports > through in the future. > > Do I need to setup the directly connected BSD box with 2 IP's bound to the > same NIC (external and internal networks) and set the gateway_enable="YES" ? > and go from there ? That is part of it. > If there is a web page or docs I am overlooking for this, please point me in > that direction and I will go and look them over for setup.... You'll also need to run natd(8) to get the internal machine on the external net. The man page gives a step by step, but it is not very verbose. If you can give the internal machine a real IP address you won't need to run natd. -- Eric Hodel - hodeleri@seattleu.edu | Customers will come to our Aspiring programmer & FPS minor demi-god. | 'home page' in unbelievable ------------------------------------------/ numbers and find out every- thing we want them to know. --Bill Gates To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 15 6:12: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from vangogh.lcmi.ufsc.br (vangogh.lcmi.ufsc.br [150.162.14.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B467E151FD for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 06:11:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rottawa@lcmi.ufsc.br) Received: from arquimedes.lcmi.ufsc.br (arquimedes.lcmi.ufsc.br [150.162.14.57]) by vangogh.lcmi.ufsc.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18658 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:11:43 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from rottawa@lcmi.ufsc.br) Received: from localhost (rottawa@localhost) by arquimedes.lcmi.ufsc.br (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA18598 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:12:33 -0300 X-Authentication-Warning: arquimedes.lcmi.ufsc.br: rottawa owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:12:33 -0300 (GRNLNDST) From: Luciano Rottawa da Silva To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Information about the system Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Is there any way to get some informations about a system running FreeBSD, like the virtual directory '/proc' in Linux? So long. `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` .~. Luciano Rottava da Silva Dept. Automacao e Sistemas /V\ HTTP://www.lcmi.ufsc.br/~rottawa Univ. Federal Santa Catarina // \\ MAILTO:rottawa@lcmi.ufsc.br /( _ )\ Registered Linux User #68718-89349 ^^ ^^ `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 15 7:41:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt014nb6.san.rr.com (dt014nb6.san.rr.com [24.30.129.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBCC15362 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:38:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt014nb6.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA13081; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:54:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <37DFB1C1.BAA4A0D7@gorean.org> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:48:33 -0700 From: Doug Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT-0913 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luciano Rottawa da Silva Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Information about the system References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Luciano Rottawa da Silva wrote: > > Hi, > > Is there any way to get some informations about a system running FreeBSD, > like the virtual directory '/proc' in Linux? Yes, in the /proc directory. Good luck, Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 15 10:21:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA16E14F49 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:21:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael.owen@billingconcepts.com) Received: from esc196 ([207.217.186.196]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20116 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990915101633.00cc8850@earthlink.net> X-Sender: escsupport1@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:19:24 -0700 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Mike Owen Subject: How long to do an install? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What is the length of time I should expect when doing a standard workstation install? I'd be installing off of a 6x cdrom, and would be setting up an ethernet card, but not ppp. TIA, Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 15 11: 2: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4667215348 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:01:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18348 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:01:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: How you can help. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Daemon News is putting together a News site for BSD. http://daily.daemonnews.org Our target release date is October 1st. Until that time, we need people to actually be using it so we can see how well it performs. As a new user to FreeBSD, it may often seem hard to find ways to contribute back to the project and feel like you are making a difference. You currently have two things that we need: Time Desire to participate. *No Experience Necessary* What needs done: 1) Find BSD news items. Find BSD RELATED news items (Such as XFree86, KDE, Wine, etc..) Submit it at: http://daily.daemonnews.org/add_story.php3 2) Read http://daily.daemonnews.org Add comments. Chris Coleman Daemon News Editor in Chief http://www.daemonnews.org Bringing BSD together To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 15 11: 4: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br (bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br [143.106.51.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E1115086 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:03:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from atabraga@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br) Received: (from atabraga@localhost) by bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01378; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:06:46 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from atabraga) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14303.57398.203263.169069@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:06:46 -0300 (EST) From: Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How long to do an install? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990915101633.00cc8850@earthlink.net> References: <4.2.0.58.19990915101633.00cc8850@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under Emacs 20.3.1 Reply-To: atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br X-URL: http://www.iqm.unicamp.br Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org on Wednesday, 15 Sep 1999 10:19:24, Mike Owen wrote: > What is the length of time I should expect when doing a standard > workstation install? I'd be installing off of a 6x cdrom, and would be > setting up an ethernet card, but not ppp. > > > TIA, > Mike A basic installation don't spend more than 30 minutes in PCs. Ata. -- Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br "Brasil Powered by FreeBSD & Emacs" http://www.iqm.unicamp.br To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 15 14:15:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.tritronics.com (mail.knorrinteractive.com [12.2.86.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 16C6D15109 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:15:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jly@tritronics.com) Received: from jyanez [216.172.219.84] by mail.tritronics.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AF8E8ACA0138; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:28:46 EST Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:16:07 -0700 Message-ID: <01BEFF84.DA80E980.jly@tritronics.com> From: Juan Yanez Reply-To: "jly@tritronics.com" To: "'atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br'" , "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: RE: How long to do an install? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:16:05 -0700 Organization: Tritronics X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org even with a 6X CDROM???? -----Original Message----- From: Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga [SMTP:atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 11:07 AM To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How long to do an install? on Wednesday, 15 Sep 1999 10:19:24, Mike Owen wrote: > What is the length of time I should expect when doing a standard > workstation install? I'd be installing off of a 6x cdrom, and would be > setting up an ethernet card, but not ppp. > > > TIA, > Mike A basic installation don't spend more than 30 minutes in PCs. Ata. -- Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br "Brasil Powered by FreeBSD & Emacs" http://www.iqm.unicamp.br To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 15 14:30:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f171.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D9B7314BF9 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:30:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mycotropic@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 72384 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 1999 21:30:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19990915213053.72383.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 170.223.140.130 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:30:53 PDT X-Originating-IP: [170.223.140.130] From: "gregory kinney" To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: since it's a newbies list, here goes.... Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:30:53 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all - I live in a fractured Win95 environment; about 20 machines and at least 3 subnets. all we wanna do is have shared files and shared printers so that we aren't wandering around the office all day long carrying floppies, looking for the right printer. What I am doing (as head pain-in-the-ass) is setting up one user's machine (1994 IBM Aptiva; 486/66, 16m ram,2 ethernet cards and 2 * 500meg HDs with one running win95) don't ask, it's harvard and they wont pay for ANYTHING. I am currently waiting for VIEW to finish with the second boot floppy - you see, the 1994 IBM Aptiva will NOT boot from the CD..... What I THINK I am going to do is; set up one 500 meg HD as a BSD drive running samba, pluged into both subnets through the two ethernet cards - this should allow the users to remotely store files and access 'em from whatever machine is appropriate THEN I'll figure out some damn way to let 'em print remotely, sorta using the BSD machine as a printerrouter anyway - this is why i posted to the newbies list; is this idea idiotic? is there any way to make the 1/2 widows 1/2 BSD machine do both at the same time? will the users be able to print from their own machines? who knows - I'm TRYing though! greg kinney dept-o-rheumatology brigham and women's hospital boston ps - is THIS what the newbies mailserve is for! i think so! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 15 14:40:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F54A14DEF for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:40:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-108-st.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.108]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA26445 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:47:56 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <006701beff5e$9bdb45c0$6c2137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" To: References: <01BEFF84.DA80E980.jly@tritronics.com> Subject: Re: How long to do an install? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:42:19 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would (on my own experience) allow at least a couple of hours. Possibly more with "tweaking" the NIC. I did my first install with an 8x CDROM, but I did put a lot of ports in at the install.(but no NIC) Regards Igor Double your drive space - delete Windows! ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan Yanez To: ; Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 7:16 AM Subject: RE: How long to do an install? > even with a 6X CDROM???? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga [SMTP:atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br] > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 11:07 AM > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: How long to do an install? > > on Wednesday, 15 Sep 1999 10:19:24, Mike Owen wrote: > > What is the length of time I should expect when doing a standard > > workstation install? I'd be installing off of a 6x cdrom, and would be > > setting up an ethernet card, but not ppp. > > > > > > TIA, > > Mike > > A basic installation don't spend more than 30 minutes in PCs. > > Ata. > -- > Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br > "Brasil Powered by FreeBSD & Emacs" http://www.iqm.unicamp.br > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 15 14:43:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB8914E43 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:43:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-108-st.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.108]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA26493 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:51:13 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <006d01beff5f$1151c4a0$6c2137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" To: References: <19990915213053.72383.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: since it's a newbies list, here goes.... Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:45:37 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Let us know how you get on. I'm looking at using my daughters' (98) box as a print server later. Since I built it, I might as well get some use out of it! Regards Igor Double your drive space - delete Windows! ----- Original Message ----- From: gregory kinney To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 7:30 AM Subject: since it's a newbies list, here goes.... > Hi all - I live in a fractured Win95 environment; about 20 machines and at > least 3 subnets. > all we wanna do is have shared files and shared printers so that we aren't > wandering around the office all day long carrying floppies, looking for the > right printer. > What I am doing (as head pain-in-the-ass) is setting up one user's machine > (1994 IBM Aptiva; 486/66, 16m ram,2 ethernet cards and 2 * 500meg HDs with > one running win95) > > don't ask, it's harvard and they wont pay for ANYTHING. > > I am currently waiting for VIEW to finish with the second boot floppy - you > see, the 1994 IBM Aptiva will NOT boot from the CD..... > > What I THINK I am going to do is; set up one 500 meg HD as a BSD drive > running samba, pluged into both subnets through the two ethernet cards - > this should allow the users to remotely store files and access 'em from > whatever machine is appropriate > THEN I'll figure out some damn way to let 'em print remotely, sorta using > the BSD machine as a printerrouter > > anyway - this is why i posted to the newbies list; > is this idea idiotic? > is there any way to make the 1/2 widows 1/2 BSD machine do both at the same > time? > will the users be able to print from their own machines? > > who knows - I'm TRYing though! > > greg kinney > dept-o-rheumatology > brigham and women's hospital > boston > > ps - is THIS what the newbies mailserve is for! i think so! > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 15 14:56:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f244.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E18815046 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:56:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mycotropic@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 94420 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 1999 21:56:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19990915215648.94419.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 170.223.140.130 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:56:48 PDT X-Originating-IP: [170.223.140.130] From: "gregory kinney" To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: oh come OOOOON!! a followup to "since its a newbies" Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:56:48 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ok i got to the point where the instaltion utility mentions; "if you are using 2 disks and you want BSD on the second, you must put a bootmanager on disk 1" part; fine - the instructions THEn say to select disk 1,when it opens, select 'Q', then choose 'install boot manager" then, procede to partition the second disk huh the instalation does NOT go on to the second disk however it stays in the first disk and then yells at me when i dont partition it for BSD this is infuriating i must mention, i followed the instructions carefully and got a slew of error messages. would anyone care to tell me where the instructions were wrong, and set me back on track????? danke greg kinney ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 15 15:25:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from trill.hh.se (trill.hh.se [194.47.5.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA261535B for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:25:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from u98jobj@stud.hh.se) Received: from stud.hh.se (chip@gs177.gsten.hh.se [194.47.16.177]) by trill.hh.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17494 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:23:07 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <37E01CC5.5D4B2F3F@stud.hh.se> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:25:09 +0200 From: "Joel björk" Reply-To: u98jobj@stud.hh.se X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: oh come OOOOON!! a followup to "since its a newbies" References: <19990915215648.94419.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I had the same problems when trying to install on a second disk. What I did was use the osbsbeta.exe found in tools/ on the first disk in your FreeBSD distribution. Just install FreeBSD on your second disk as usual. Rebooting will throw you back in to windows, copy osbsbeta.exe to your harddrive and run it from there, don't forget to have a floppy around to back up your masterbootrecord. the program will take you on from there. There's probably other ways but it worked for me. Joel Björk > ok > i got to the point where the instaltion utility mentions; > "if you are using 2 disks and you want BSD on the second, you must put a > bootmanager on disk 1" part; > fine - the instructions THEn say to select disk 1,when it opens, select 'Q', > then choose 'install boot manager" then, procede to partition the second > disk > huh > the instalation does NOT go on to the second disk however > it stays in the first disk and then yells at me when i dont partition it for > BSD > this is infuriating i must mention, i followed the instructions carefully > and got a slew of error messages. > > would anyone care to tell me where the instructions were wrong, and set me > back on track????? > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 16 6: 0:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f221.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.221]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ED35F14FD1 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 06:00:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mycotropic@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 82300 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 1999 13:00:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19990916130020.82299.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 170.223.140.130 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 06:00:20 PDT X-Originating-IP: [170.223.140.130] From: "gregory kinney" To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: the saga continues Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:00:20 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all For those of you following my inane instilation; I spent 5 hours yesterday trying to get BSD on a 2 hard drive 486 with 2 ethernet cards. The purpose being to use it as a file server bridge between two Win95/NT subnets. I ended up with one hardrive running Win95 and one running BSD(finaly), and a boot manager that works. NOW I am trying to get samba to run. right. When I follow the instructions in the book; cd /usr/ports/net/samba make install it waits for a little while then tries to get about 10 ftp sites and then prints lots of errors. ok, i installed the ports collection - i can see the Makefile there - it just wont WORK! when I try to directly install from the cd by going to /cdrom with the CD in the drive, there is nothing there ls = zilch. fellow newbies; WHAT AM I DOING WRONG THIS TIME!!!!! greg kinney ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 16 6:24:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from reaper.org (reaper.org [196.36.178.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318291517F for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 06:24:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from salvo@reaper.org) Received: from salvo by reaper.org with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11RbW3-0006xs-00; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:23:59 +0200 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:23:59 +0200 From: Salvatore Greco To: gregory kinney Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: the saga continues Message-ID: <19990916152358.K2366@reaper.org> Reply-To: salvo@reaper.org References: <19990916130020.82299.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <19990916130020.82299.qmail@hotmail.com>; from "gregory kinney" on Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 09:00:20AM X-Operating-System: FreeBSD reaper.org 2.2.8-STABLE FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Sorry if there is any repeating - as I just caught the thread here :) On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 09:00:20AM -0400, gregory kinney wrote: | ok, i installed the ports collection - i can see the Makefile there - it | just wont WORK! How are you trying to "install" the port - what commands are you running to install the port ? | when I try to directly install from the cd by going to /cdrom with the CD in | the drive, there is nothing there | ls = zilch. Things to look out for: 1. Have you mounted the cd 'mount /cdrom' 2. Check your /etc/fstab to see where the cd is going to be mounted (hint: might be /mnt/cdrom or some such). 3. Is your cd rom drive working :) Hope this helps. -- salvo@reaper.org | http://salvo.reaper.org | ICQ #8084066 The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe, is that none of it has tried to contact us. -- Calvin & Hobbes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 16 7: 6:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop05.iname.net (pop05.iname.net [165.251.8.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A9F6152ED for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:06:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from npratt@mail.com) Received: from mail.com (ppp198-99.ecom.net [207.138.198.99]) by pop05.iname.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26235; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37E0F98D.CB17C98B@mail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:07:10 -0700 From: Noah Pratt Organization: AlphaBit Computer Systems & Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gregory kinney Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: since it's a newbies list, here goes.... References: <19990915213053.72383.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org gregory kinney wrote: [lots of snippage] > is there any way to make the 1/2 widows 1/2 BSD machine do both at the same > time? Yes! Well, no, not really. http://www.vmware.com/ has a very interesting product that lets you run NT and Linux simultaneously. (This is not just dual-boot, both operating systems actually run concurrently.) They plan on adding support for other OSs. Has anyone had any experience with this? -Noah To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 16 7:21:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from access.mbnet.mb.ca (access.mbnet.mb.ca [204.112.54.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E4A150BC for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:21:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jerwiebe@canada.com) Received: from jer (userBc039.videon.wave.ca [204.112.134.59]) by access.mbnet.mb.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA20472 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:21:54 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeremy Wiebe" To: Subject: RE: since it's a newbies list, here goes.... (VM Ware) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:20:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37E0F98D.CB17C98B@mail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey everyone, I downloaded the demonstration version of VM Ware a while ago. I installed it on my Linux computer and it worked like a charm. When you run it you can choose to install a new OS or use a current partition that already has an OS installed. The neatest thing about VMWare is that you can change the way it treats changes to the filesystem when the "client" OS is running. You can allow all changes to occur, make all changes reset at each run, or prompt to save changes when shutting down the virtual machine. Note: These filesystems for the client OS's are just regular files on the host OS. The one thing that I found that would be a limitation is the speed. I have a K6 II 350 with 128 MB ram and it ran Win 95 quite slow. I didn't try any other OS's as I didn't have access to any others. Overall, if the speed were increased it would be a very useful product if you still need the unnamed Redmond OS. =) -------------------------------- Jeremy Wiebe icq: 4945359 email: jerwiebe@canada.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Noah Pratt Sent: September 16, 1999 9:07 AM To: gregory kinney Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: since it's a newbies list, here goes.... gregory kinney wrote: [lots of snippage] > is there any way to make the 1/2 widows 1/2 BSD machine do both at the same > time? Yes! Well, no, not really. http://www.vmware.com/ has a very interesting product that lets you run NT and Linux simultaneously. (This is not just dual-boot, both operating systems actually run concurrently.) They plan on adding support for other OSs. Has anyone had any experience with this? -Noah To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 16 12:34:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from alexandria.thedial.com (alexandria.thedial.com [204.252.162.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30A51152D3 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:34:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from james@thedial.com) Received: from mukmuk.thedial.com ([204.252.162.131] helo=thedial.com) by alexandria.thedial.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11RhKO-0006ei-00; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:36:20 -0700 Message-ID: <37E157D0.E418ED6E@thedial.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:49:20 -0700 From: james Organization: theDial < www.thedial.com > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Noah Pratt Cc: gregory kinney , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: since it's a newbies list, here goes.... References: <19990915213053.72383.qmail@hotmail.com> <37E0F98D.CB17C98B@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Noah Pratt wrote: > > gregory kinney wrote: > [lots of snippage] > > is there any way to make the 1/2 widows 1/2 BSD machine do both at the same > > time? > > Yes! > > Well, no, not really. > http://www.vmware.com/ has a very interesting product that lets you run NT > and Linux simultaneously. (This is not just dual-boot, both operating systems > actually run concurrently.) They plan on adding support for other OSs. Has > anyone had any experience with this? > > -Noah > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message problem is.... .they've stated that they have no intentions of supporting *BSD =( james ---------------------------------------------------------------- james nigh systems administrator/webmaster icq 27459905 theDial "Broadcasting for the New World" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 16 13:20:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A734E153F4 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:20:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-124-st.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.124]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA13634; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 06:28:23 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <000a01bf001c$9f815200$7c2137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" To: "gregory kinney" , References: <19990916130020.82299.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: the saga continues Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:22:28 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org First you have to mount the cdrom - mount /cdrom Make sure the cdrom is mounted before you try the make install. Otherwise, use /stand/sysinstall (don't mount the cdrom first), do a "post install configuration", " add pre packaged software", "from a freebsd cd", browse the cd, select the item you want, and OK, then Install. Regards Igor Double your drive space - delete Windows! ----- Original Message ----- From: gregory kinney To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 11:00 PM Subject: the saga continues > Hi all > For those of you following my inane instilation; > I spent 5 hours yesterday trying to get BSD on a 2 hard drive 486 with 2 > ethernet cards. > The purpose being to use it as a file server bridge between two Win95/NT > subnets. > > I ended up with one hardrive running Win95 and one running BSD(finaly), and > a boot manager that works. > NOW I am trying to get samba to run. > right. > When I follow the instructions in the book; > cd /usr/ports/net/samba > make install > > it waits for a little while then tries to get about 10 ftp sites and then > prints lots of errors. > > ok, i installed the ports collection - i can see the Makefile there - it > just wont WORK! > when I try to directly install from the cd by going to /cdrom with the CD in > the drive, there is nothing there > ls = zilch. > > fellow newbies; > WHAT AM I DOING WRONG THIS TIME!!!!! > > greg kinney > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 16 17:13:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f208.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.208]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ED7F615207 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:13:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mycotropic@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 81302 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 1999 00:13:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19990917001334.81301.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 170.223.140.130 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:13:34 PDT X-Originating-IP: [170.223.140.130] From: "gregory kinney" To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: it just goes on and on....... Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:13:34 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i am one very short step from just giving up on this install the most current problem - not counting the hours of trying to get anything to work - is getting any ethernet cards to work in any way; i need to have 2 cards to bridge 2 subnets they are in the machine they are 3com i have addresses for both subnets they are pluged in the jacks are live the machine is on unfortunately i have NO eo0 or eo1 or vx0 or vx1 thats about all there is to work with wont mount eo0 or eo1 or vx0 or vx1 so how in the world do you mount an ethernet device???? the networking comands exist in rc.config!!!! (for one of them anyway) where are the devices? i certainly cant find them! and i cant recompile the kernal, inserting them, cause i cant find the kernel source on the location specified in the book!!! i TOLD the install wizard to install all of the /src but apparently it descided not to! anyway - i am 4 more hours into an instilation that is about 12 hours old and STILL CANT FIND AN IP ADDRESS!!! thanks all greg kinney ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 16 17:27:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nebula.nift.net (DSL73-223.brandx.net [209.55.73.223]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C698F15207 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:27:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from druid@eoe-magical.org) Received: from eoe-magical.org ([209.55.73.227]) by nebula.nift.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13567; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:53:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37E18CD6.89C08086@eoe-magical.org> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:35:34 -0700 From: Donald X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gregory kinney Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... References: <19990917001334.81301.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org gezzzz I installed Freebsd on my machine after running BSD/OS 3.0 for a few years and the install was real easy. First 3com in not a good choice for Freebsd, to many things to hassel with, PNP, interupts and so on. What you need is a real simple non-pnp ISA slot NIC card like SMC. You should have installed DOS first, got you nic cards working, disabled pnp, and had the machine all partitioned first. Sound card, video card and so forth. gregory kinney wrote: > i am one very short step from just giving up on this install > > the most current problem - not counting the hours of trying to get anything > to work - is getting any ethernet cards to work in any way; > > i need to have 2 cards to bridge 2 subnets > they are in the machine > they are 3com > i have addresses for both subnets > they are pluged in > the jacks are live > the machine is on > unfortunately i have NO eo0 or eo1 or vx0 or vx1 > thats about all there is to work with > wont mount eo0 or eo1 or vx0 or vx1 > > so how in the world do you mount an ethernet device???? > the networking comands exist in rc.config!!!! > (for one of them anyway) > where are the devices? > i certainly cant find them! > > and i cant recompile the kernal, inserting them, cause i cant find the > kernel source on the location specified in the book!!! > i TOLD the install wizard to install all of the /src > but apparently it descided not to! > > anyway - i am 4 more hours into an instilation that is about 12 hours old > and STILL CANT FIND AN IP ADDRESS!!! > > thanks all > > greg kinney > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 16 17:45:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt014nb6.san.rr.com (dt014nb6.san.rr.com [24.30.129.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF39157CD for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:45:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by dt014nb6.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28225; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:22:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:22:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug X-Sender: doug@dt014nb6.san.rr.com To: gregory kinney Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... In-Reply-To: <19990917001334.81301.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, gregory kinney wrote: > i am one very short step from just giving up on this install Don't do that. :) Instead, send some info to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org that includes a lot more details, and please try to focus your post down to some specific questions. I don't even know where to begin to help you on this because I don't know exactly what you're trying to do. To start with, we need to know: 1. What version of FreeBSD are you trying to install, or did you install? 2. What exact models of 3com cards are you using? Also, a few things about your post concern me. > i need to have 2 cards to bridge 2 subnets If I were you, I would concentrate on getting one card to work, then when you have a good feel for that you should start on the other. Bridging subnets is not a new-user type task, so you're complicating the installation with other factors that are already prone to frustration. > the jacks are live Not sure what you mean here. Do you get LINK lights on the NIC's and the switch they are plugged into? > the machine is on Always a good sign. :) > unfortunately i have NO eo0 or eo1 or vx0 or vx1 Not sure what you mean here. I don't see any mention of an eo device, but the vx device supports the 3Com 3C590 and 3C595. Again, we need to know the exact model numbers. > so how in the world do you mount an ethernet device???? You dont'. You ifconfig it. Where do you see this error message? > the networking comands exist in rc.config!!!! Hmmm... are you sure you don't mean /etc/rc.conf? > (for one of them anyway) > where are the devices? > i certainly cant find them! They should be in /dev. If they haven't been made, the might explain your problems. Looking in my /dev directory I don't see any vx devices, and the LINT file in /usr/src/sys/i386/conf mentions that this is an "early support" driver. You might be better off buying some Intel Etherexpress Pro 100/+ NIC's for this machine. Those are the preferred cards for freebsd, and I can guarantee you that you won't be dissatisfied with their performance. > and i cant recompile the kernal, inserting them, cause i cant find the > kernel source on the location specified in the book!!! > i TOLD the install wizard to install all of the /src > but apparently it descided not to! kernel sources should be in /usr/src/sys. If they aren't, there are several methods of obtaining them, all of them mentioned in detail in the kernel section of the freebsd handbook on our web page. I look forward to your response on freebsd-questions. Doug -- "My mama told me, my mama said, 'don't cry.' She said, 'you're too young a man to have as many women you got.' I looked at my mother dear and didn't even crack a smile. I said, 'If women kill me, I don't mind dyin!'" - John Belushi as "Joliet" Jake Blues, "I Don't Know" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 16 17:50:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nebula.nift.net (DSL73-223.brandx.net [209.55.73.223]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7583715225 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:50:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from druid@eoe-magical.org) Received: from eoe-magical.org ([209.55.73.227]) by nebula.nift.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA13734; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:16:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37E19251.FE7A0EAE@eoe-magical.org> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:58:57 -0700 From: Donald X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Cc: gregory kinney , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org this is an excerpt from my rc.conf network_interfaces="ex0 lo0" # List of network interfaces (lo0 is loopback). ifconfig_ex0="inet 209.55.73.225 netmask 255.255.255.0" ifconfig_lo0="inet 127.0.0.1" # default loopback device configuration. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 16 18: 0:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from richardson.apana.org.au (richardson.apana.org.au [203.3.126.216]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5727C157D8 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:00:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from young@richardson.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle [203.3.126.130] by richardson.apana.org.au [203.3.126.216] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP4.T) for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:23:22 +1000 X-Mailer: SendM@ail V1.09 To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, mycotropic@hotmail.com From: young@richardson.apana.org.au Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... Content-Type: text X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG X-Return-Path: young@richardson.apana.org.au Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:23:22 +1000 Message-Id: <19990917010037.5727C157D8@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Been there done that ....... many times :) The only way I've ever been able to do this is install only one NIC first, get it working properly, then add the second one. I've never had any NIC installation problems that way .... I have only ever used the better NIC's though (3-com, Intel, SMC) and never one of those el-junko taiwanese generic NE2000 disasters. i am one very short step from just giving up on this install the most current problem - not counting the hours of trying to get anything to work - is getting any ethernet cards to work in any way; i need to have 2 cards to bridge 2 subnets they are in the machine they are 3com i have addresses for both subnets they are pluged in the jacks are live the machine is on unfortunately i have NO eo0 or eo1 or vx0 or vx1 thats about all there is to work with wont mount eo0 or eo1 or vx0 or vx1 so how in the world do you mount an ethernet device???? the networking comands exist in rc.config!!!! (for one of them anyway) where are the devices? i certainly cant find them! and i cant recompile the kernal, inserting them, cause i cant find the kernel source on the location specified in the book!!! i TOLD the install wizard to install all of the /src but apparently it descided not to! anyway - i am 4 more hours into an instilation that is about 12 hours old and STILL CANT FIND AN IP ADDRESS!!! thanks all greg kinney ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 16 20: 4:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC7714DDB for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:04:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Smc659@aol.com) Received: from Smc659@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id nDNGUcoSu_ (3972) for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:04:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Smc659@aol.com Message-ID: <128e5100.251309c3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:04:35 EDT Subject: Changing shell To: newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone know how to change the root shell from csh to bash? Thanks Sam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 16 20:15:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from staff.cs.usyd.edu.au (staff.cs.usyd.edu.au [129.78.8.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4383B14DDB for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:15:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mhenry@pgrad.cs.usyd.edu.au) Subject: Re: Changing shell To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:15:06 +1000 (EST) From: "Michael Henry" In-Reply-To: <128e5100.251309c3@aol.com> from "Smc659@aol.com" at Sep 16, 99 11:04:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 305 Message-Id: <19990917031515.4383B14DDB@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Does anyone know how to change the root shell from csh to bash? It is my understanding that changing root's shell is A Bad Thing. You shouldn't be running as root often enough for it to be an inconvenience anyway. There is an account "toor" which also has UID 0, and uses bash as it's login shell. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 16 20:33:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail5.globalserve.net (mail5.globalserve.net [209.90.128.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DAC015320 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:33:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lalala@globalserve.net) Received: from lalala (dialin111.montreal.globalserve.net [209.167.12.111]) by mail5.globalserve.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA24972; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001301bf00bc$3f480780$6f0ca7d1@lalala> From: "Martin M" To: , References: <128e5100.251309c3@aol.com> Subject: Re: Changing shell Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:25:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org the command "chsh" will open vi on your profile file thing (to use the technical term) where you can change the shell... if you just want to run bash once or twice, just type "bash" on the command line... you might also want to try "tcsh" as a replacement for csh, I've heard say changing root's shell to bash is a bad thing (but have done it myself anyway). ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 11:04 PM Subject: Changing shell > Does anyone know how to change the root shell from csh to bash? > > Thanks > Sam > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 16 20:34:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail5.globalserve.net (mail5.globalserve.net [209.90.128.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2C8152E0 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:34:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lalala@globalserve.net) Received: from lalala (dialin111.montreal.globalserve.net [209.167.12.111]) by mail5.globalserve.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA25027 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002c01bf00bc$7dd7a780$6f0ca7d1@lalala> From: "Martin M" To: Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:26:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01BF009A.F5FC9D00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01BF009A.F5FC9D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > i am one very short step from just giving up on this install I guess that makes any attempt to help you one very short step away = from being wasted. I really don't understand why you're taking such a negative attitude = and why people are using their free time to help you despite it. I guess they're nicer than I am. I think the solution would be to use winNT... It's not as good as FreeBSD, but might be more appropriate to your skill level if the = maturity of your discourse is any indication. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01BF009A.F5FC9D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> i am one very short step from just giving up on = this=20 install

    I guess that makes any attempt to help = you one=20 very short step away from
being wasted.

    I = really=20 don't understand why you're taking such a negative attitude and
why = people=20 are using their free time to help you despite it.  I = guess
they're nicer=20 than I am.

    I think the solution would be to = use=20 winNT... It's not as good as
FreeBSD, but might be more appropriate = to your=20 skill level if the maturity
of your discourse is any=20 indication.
------=_NextPart_000_0029_01BF009A.F5FC9D00-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 16 22:29:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.greatbasin.net (mail.greatbasin.net [207.228.35.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29EA151B9 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:29:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@jgl.reno.nv.us) Received: from jgl.reno.nv.us (rno-max7-62.gbis.net [207.228.61.254]) by mail.greatbasin.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20203; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from danco (danco.home [10.0.0.2]) by jgl.reno.nv.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA08350; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:29:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@jgl.reno.nv.us) Message-ID: <002101bf00cd$91aa0e40$0200000a@danco.home> From: "Dan O'Connor" To: , Subject: Re: Changing shell Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:29:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Does anyone know how to change the root shell from csh to bash? This is what I have in to root's .cshrc file (as the last line): [ -x /usr/local/bin/bash ] && exec /usr/local/bin/bash This loads bash when I do a normal login (or su) as root, but leaves csh in place when I'm in single-user mode (without /usr mounted). --Dan ** The thing I like most about Windows 98 is... ** You can download FreeBSD with it! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 0:19:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E1D14D65 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:19:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Smc659@aol.com) Received: from Smc659@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id lNDS0rc8BI (3977); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:19:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Smc659@aol.com Message-ID: <535d819f.25134568@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:19:04 EDT Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... To: lalala@globalserve.net Cc: newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think the solution would be to use winNT... It's not as good as FreeBSD, but might be more appropriate to your skill level if the maturity of your discourse is any indication. Dont rub his nose to hard into the ground Martin. Also, FreeBSD is no better than WinNT and its not for the immature. Also this guys making an attempt at installing FreeBSD and is asking for help, if you cant help him dont reply. We both would probably be this way if we spent hours try to install something. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 0:45:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from wa.yokogawa.com.au (yok23582-5.gw.connect.com.au [202.21.10.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA60714E03 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:45:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rhardes@wa.yokogawa.com.au) Received: from eng04.wa.yokogawa.com.au (ENG04.wa.yokogawa.com.au [10.8.1.104]) by wa.yokogawa.com.au (8.9.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA23687 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:37:37 +0800 Message-Id: <199909170737.PAA23687@wa.yokogawa.com.au> From: "Ray Hardes" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:41:15 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Reply-To: rhardes@wa.yokogawa.com.au X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ R. HARDES System Engineer YOKOGAWA ENGINEERING PERTH Phone (08) 9240 4558 FAX (08) 9240 4559 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 2:25:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC371586A for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:25:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA07905; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:48:54 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle.apana.org.au(203.3.126.130), claiming to be "oracle" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdkr7903; Fri Sep 17 19:48:44 1999 Message-ID: <008801bf0141$78229ea0$827e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: Cc: References: <535d819f.25134568@aol.com> Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:18:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I need to clarify an apparent misunderstanding here .... our colleague lalala@globalserve.net seems to believe I started this thread, when in fact I was merely responding to the guy who posted the question in the first place. Be that as it may ..... I can sympathize to some extent with the guy trying to figure how to do things in FreeBSD, since for anyone from a Win9x background the move to any *nix tends to be traumatic. My personal experience with FreeBSD has not been excessively bad, but then I messed around with linuxes for months getting nowhere fast. Whilst the BSD docs are infinitely better than the linux equivalents they still represent a culture shock to those of us with experience in other operating systems .... a fact that is all to often overlooked by some unix experts. One major difference I have noticed with the FreeBSD mailing lists is that the majority of (but not all ) contributors are much more openminded as to the relative advantages of other operating systems (eg the usability issue) than certain of their more fanatic linux brethren who tend to view Linus Torvalds as some sort of major deity and Bill Gates as the Antichrist. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 7:19 AM Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... > I think the solution would be to use winNT... It's not as good as > FreeBSD, but might be more appropriate to your skill level if the maturity > of your discourse is any indication. > > Dont rub his nose to hard into the ground Martin. Also, FreeBSD is no better > than WinNT and its not for the immature. Also this guys making an attempt at > installing FreeBSD and is asking for help, if you cant help him dont reply. > We both would probably be this way if we spent hours try to install something. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 5:35:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nebula.nift.net (DSL73-223.brandx.net [209.55.73.223]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C06514A11 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 05:35:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from druid@eoe-magical.org) Received: from eoe-magical.org ([209.55.73.227]) by nebula.nift.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA15320; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 05:01:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37E23757.E16470DF@eoe-magical.org> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 05:43:03 -0700 From: Donald X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Young Cc: Smc659@aol.com, newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... References: <535d819f.25134568@aol.com> <008801bf0141$78229ea0$827e03cb@apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org well let me say that I run NT and two versions of Unix. And in all cases I always install dos and get the nic cards and cd roms working first. This way I know that my hardware is in good shape. I have installed freebsd with two nic's at one time. The thing I dont see in this thread is a description in step by step of what he did to install. Let me say that at this point he should install dos and verify that his hardware is working. Then one of us can tell him what to do to install freebsd in a step by step logical manner. need a full description of his hardware also. It is very difficult to help him over email and emotions tend to get bloated. Doug Young wrote: > I need to clarify an apparent misunderstanding here .... our colleague > lalala@globalserve.net > seems to believe I started this thread, when in fact I was merely responding > to the guy who > posted the question in the first place. Be that as it may ..... I can > sympathize to some extent > with the guy trying to figure how to do things in FreeBSD, since for anyone > from a Win9x > background the move to any *nix tends to be traumatic. My personal > experience with FreeBSD > has not been excessively bad, but then I messed around with linuxes for > months getting nowhere > fast. Whilst the BSD docs are infinitely better than the linux equivalents > they still represent a > culture shock to those of us with experience in other operating systems .... > a fact that is all to > often overlooked by some unix experts. One major difference I have noticed > with the FreeBSD > mailing lists is that the majority of (but not all ) contributors are much > more openminded as to the > relative advantages of other operating systems (eg the usability issue) than > certain of their more > fanatic linux brethren who tend to view Linus Torvalds as some sort of major > deity and Bill Gates > as the Antichrist. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 7:19 AM > Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... > > > I think the solution would be to use winNT... It's not as good as > > FreeBSD, but might be more appropriate to your skill level if the maturity > > of your discourse is any indication. > > > > Dont rub his nose to hard into the ground Martin. Also, FreeBSD is no > better > > than WinNT and its not for the immature. Also this guys making an attempt > at > > installing FreeBSD and is asking for help, if you cant help him dont > reply. > > We both would probably be this way if we spent hours try to install > something. > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 5:58:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from richardson.apana.org.au (richardson.apana.org.au [203.3.126.216]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B55D414CC8 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 05:58:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from young@richardson.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle [203.3.126.130] by richardson.apana.org.au [203.3.126.216] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP4.T) for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:16:43 +1000 Message-ID: <002e01bf0137$f4a5d140$827e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "young" To: "Martin M" Cc: Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:10:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Return-Path: young@richardson.apana.org.au Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I think some clarification is needed here ..... I didn't post the original > message in this thread !!! .... and "i am one very short step from just > giving up on this install" certainly wasn't my statement > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Martin M > To: > Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 3:20 AM > Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... > > > > > i am one very short step from just giving up on this install > > > > I guess that makes any attempt to help you one very short step away > from > > being wasted. > > > > I really don't understand why you're taking such a negative attitude > and > > why people are using their free time to help you despite it. I guess > > they're nicer than I am. > > > > I think the solution would be to use winNT... It's not as good as > > FreeBSD, but might be more appropriate to your skill level if the maturity > > of your discourse is any indication. > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 7: 1:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7C2154C9 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:01:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-123-st.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.123]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA26630 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:09:26 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <002f01bf00b0$cff139c0$7b2137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" Cc: References: <19990917001334.81301.qmail@hotmail.com> <37E18CD6.89C08086@eoe-magical.org> Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:03:16 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Onya Donald! This is just what this poor bugger wants to hear, I don't think! He doesn't need to know what is or isn't the best choice in NIC cards, he needs help with what he has got. As for installing DOS first, I started using BSD to get AWAY from that garbage, not back into it. I have been running FreeBSD for about six weeks now, (my first foray into any Un*x type OS), but at least I'll try to help him, not tell him what he is doing wrong! If you have been running BSD/OS 3.0 for "a few years", what are you doing on the 'Newbies' list? Be part of the solution, or become part of the problem! Regards Igor Double your drive space - delete Windows! ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald To: gregory kinney Cc: Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 10:35 AM Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... > gezzzz I installed Freebsd on my machine after running > BSD/OS 3.0 for a few years and the install was real easy. > First 3com in not a good choice for Freebsd, to many things > to hassel with, PNP, interupts and so on. What you need is a real > simple non-pnp ISA slot NIC card like SMC. > You should have installed DOS first, got you nic cards working, > disabled pnp, and had the machine all partitioned first. > Sound card, video card and so forth. > > > > gregory kinney wrote: > > > i am one very short step from just giving up on this install > > > > the most current problem - not counting the hours of trying to get anything > > to work - is getting any ethernet cards to work in any way; > > > > i need to have 2 cards to bridge 2 subnets > > they are in the machine > > they are 3com > > i have addresses for both subnets > > they are pluged in > > the jacks are live > > the machine is on > > unfortunately i have NO eo0 or eo1 or vx0 or vx1 > > thats about all there is to work with > > wont mount eo0 or eo1 or vx0 or vx1 > > > > so how in the world do you mount an ethernet device???? > > the networking comands exist in rc.config!!!! > > (for one of them anyway) > > where are the devices? > > i certainly cant find them! > > > > and i cant recompile the kernal, inserting them, cause i cant find the > > kernel source on the location specified in the book!!! > > i TOLD the install wizard to install all of the /src > > but apparently it descided not to! > > > > anyway - i am 4 more hours into an instilation that is about 12 hours old > > and STILL CANT FIND AN IP ADDRESS!!! > > > > thanks all > > > > greg kinney > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 7:13:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5779814F08 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:13:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-123-st.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.123]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA26794 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:21:40 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <004e01bf00b2$84d51900$7b2137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" To: References: <19990917031515.4383B14DDB@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Changing shell Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:15:30 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I disagree, changing from csh to bash can only be described as A Good Thing! Sam, type the following chsh in the resulting file (.profile) change /bin/sh to /usr/local/bin/bash (assuming, of course, that you have loaded bash through either the install, or the /stand/sysinstall routine Regards Igor Double your drive space - delete Windows! ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Henry To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 1:15 PM Subject: Re: Changing shell > > > Does anyone know how to change the root shell from csh to bash? > > It is my understanding that changing root's shell is A Bad Thing. > You shouldn't be running as root often enough for it to be an > inconvenience anyway. > > There is an account "toor" which also has UID 0, and uses bash > as it's login shell. > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 7:19:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C26F1157EF for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:19:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-123-st.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.123]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA26877 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:27:51 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <006101bf00b3$61c96dc0$7b2137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" To: References: <002c01bf00bc$7dd7a780$6f0ca7d1@lalala> Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:21:40 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You must be Donalds' best buddy! The same effort you put into writing that negative post, could have been used for a little bit of encouragement! Regards Igor Double your drive space - delete Windows! ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin M To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 1:26 PM Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... > i am one very short step from just giving up on this install I guess that makes any attempt to help you one very short step away from being wasted. I really don't understand why you're taking such a negative attitude and why people are using their free time to help you despite it. I guess they're nicer than I am. I think the solution would be to use winNT... It's not as good as FreeBSD, but might be more appropriate to your skill level if the maturity of your discourse is any indication. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 7:21:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.dsp.uiowa.edu (mail.dsp.uiowa.edu [128.255.242.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C96D14F08 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:21:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris-manjoine@uiowa.edu) Received: from dsp45 (dsp62.dsp.uiowa.edu [128.255.242.128]) by mail.dsp.uiowa.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA07266 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:21:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990917091718.00a95d90@mail.vpr.uiowa.edu> X-Sender: manjoine@mail.vpr.uiowa.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:21:41 -0500 To: FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Chris Manjoine Subject: Instalation Problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_88099410==_.ALT" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=====================_88099410==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" hello, I get through the install quite fine when installing to wd3. But I have a boot hd at wd1 I can't get the boot loader to boot the kernel on wd1 I get the error error 6 panic cannot mount root. I read in the freebsd faq that I need to assign the wd3 drive to boot in the kernel but I can't edit the kernel without a shell to do it in. http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/install.html#AEN683 ( I tried step one didn't work) (step 2 is not an option) (how do I do this without a shell to edit from?) is there any other solution for me to boot to wd3 drive? Chris Manjoine | DSP Webmaster | 335-3019 | chris-manjoine@uiowa.edu | 2B-2 Glimore --=====================_88099410==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
hello,

I get through the install quite fine when installing to wd3. But I have a boot hd at wd1 I can't get the boot loader to boot the kernel on wd1 I get the error error 6 panic cannot mount root. I read in the freebsd faq that I need to assign the wd3 drive to boot in the kernel but I can't edit the kernel without a shell to do it in.

( I tried step one didn't work)
(step 2 is not an option)
(how do I do this without a shell to edit from?)

is there any other solution for me to boot to wd3 drive?

Chris Manjoine | DSP Webmaster | 335-3019 | chris-manjoine@uiowa.edu | 2B-2 Glimore
--=====================_88099410==_.ALT-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 7:25:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f77.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E0B11535A for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:25:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mycotropic@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 85332 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 1999 14:25:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19990917142507.85331.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 170.223.140.130 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:25:07 PDT X-Originating-IP: [170.223.140.130] From: "gregory kinney" To: lalala@globalserve.net, newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:25:07 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Other, lesser beings, experience 'frustration' on occasion; as the list is called 'newbies' one would imagine consolation rather than condescension. >From: "Martin M" >To: >Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... >Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:26:54 -0400 > > > i am one very short step from just giving up on this install > > I guess that makes any attempt to help you one very short step away >from >being wasted. > > I really don't understand why you're taking such a negative attitude >and >why people are using their free time to help you despite it. I guess >they're nicer than I am. > > I think the solution would be to use winNT... It's not as good as >FreeBSD, but might be more appropriate to your skill level if the maturity >of your discourse is any indication. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 7:25:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A5F15017 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:25:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id HAA07813; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:24:47 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199909171424.HAA07813@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: druid@eoe-magical.org, mycotropic@hotmail.com Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <37E18CD6.89C08086@eoe-magical.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:35:34 -0700 >From: Donald >gezzzz I installed Freebsd on my machine after running >BSD/OS 3.0 for a few years and the install was real easy. :-} >First 3com in not a good choice for Freebsd, to many things >to hassel with, PNP, interupts and so on. What you need is a real >simple non-pnp ISA slot NIC card like SMC. As to the first point... well, from what I've seen, the basic issue is that 3Com, in a practice which I understand is not all that uncommon among PC hardware vendors, has a tendency to change things without doing a very good job of notifying folks who might care. After all, as long as they are supplying the drivers for the Microsoft platforms, who else needs to know? So I agree with the conclusion that 3Com isn't ideal, but (as you'll see below) I'd recommend PCI if you can swing it. As a case in point (re: 3Com), it's my recollection that the 3C905 Ethernet NIC had both PIO (programmed I/O) and DMA (direct memory access) methods of moving data between the CPU and the NIC. Well, 3Com apparently decided to make a slight modification; the result was the 3C905B. The salient modification as far as the drivers were concerned was that with the 3C905B, DMA is the only way to move data between the system and the NIC. Since the (old) driver for FreeBSD was based on code for an older NIC (that only used PIO), the 3C905B (first) wasn't recognized, and then wouldn't work. And the folks who sell these things retail are not always the most clueful around. (A 3C905B *must* be "better than" a 3C905, right? It's newer.... Lesson: the latest & greatest is *not* always optimal.) (Bill Paul, at Columbia University, came to the rescue -- again. Wrote a new driver that used DMA that could be used for all the 3C9x5* cards. BTW, he posts from time to time in -current, asking for volunteers to test new drivers he's written. Merely reading some of those posts can be rather educational: it provides a hint as to what goes on "under the covers". Just make very sure that if you ever need to ask folks for help -- especially Bill -- that you provide all of the necessary information. His previous posts (in the archives) tend to spell out rather explicitly just what kind of information he neds to diagnose a problem.) >You should have installed DOS first, That depends a great deal on one's background. The FreeBSD boxes I administer, both here and at home, run only FreeBSD. (The one I built for my wife never had any Microsoft software on it.) That may well be appropriate advice for the specific individual, but I encourage others to take advice specific to one person's circumstances "with a grain of salt" before applying that advice to their own circumstances. >got you nic cards working, >disabled pnp, and had the machine all partitioned first. >Sound card, video card and so forth. And if you use a PCI NIC, you don't need to deal with it all that much; they just Do The Right Thing ("DTRT") -- thanks to the efforts of folks like Bill Paul. I picked up a couple of NetGear 10/100 PCI NICs for $20 each a couple of months ago; they seem to work just fine (though the net where they are is 10 Mb/sec only). Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 7:27:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from lexicon.ins.com (ns1.ins.com [199.0.193.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0D414DE5 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:27:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe_pepin@ins.com) Received: from pepinj (exodus.ins.com [199.0.193.215]) by lexicon.ins.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA07323; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:27:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joe Pepin" To: "james" , "Noah Pratt" Cc: "gregory kinney" , Subject: RE: since it's a newbies list, here goes.... Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:16:18 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <37E157D0.E418ED6E@thedial.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I believe that VMWare for Windows creates a virtual machine that you can install *BSD, Linux, Solaris, or another Windows on. (VMWare's site does mention compatibility with FreeBSD in this fashion). I am going to be trying this soon. I know someone who has VMWare for Linux which creates a virtual machine that you can run Windows (and presumably FreeBSD, or another Linux)in. It works very well for him. I might also try getting the VMWare for Linux to work under emulation on FreeBSD. I need to run both WinNT and FreeBSD on a laptop that is not completely PAO friendly. In theory, the Virtual Machine created by VMWare is very standard and will allow things like networking to work, even though my actual card is not supported by PAO. I have installed Linux on a Mac through VirtualPC, and that worked wonderfully, I expect this should do the same. HTH, Joe Pepin -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of james Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 9:49 PM To: Noah Pratt Cc: gregory kinney; newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: since it's a newbies list, here goes.... Noah Pratt wrote: > > gregory kinney wrote: > [lots of snippage] > > is there any way to make the 1/2 widows 1/2 BSD machine do both at the same > > time? > > Yes! > > Well, no, not really. > http://www.vmware.com/ has a very interesting product that lets you run NT > and Linux simultaneously. (This is not just dual-boot, both operating systems > actually run concurrently.) They plan on adding support for other OSs. Has > anyone had any experience with this? > > -Noah > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message problem is.... .they've stated that they have no intentions of supporting *BSD =( james ---------------------------------------------------------------- james nigh systems administrator/webmaster icq 27459905 theDial "Broadcasting for the New World" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 7:43:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E09115168 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:43:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-123-st.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.123]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA27097 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:51:52 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <007701bf00b6$bd217e80$7b2137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" Cc: References: <535d819f.25134568@aol.com> Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:45:41 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am rapidly becoming disgusted with the attitude of some of the people replying to this fellows' plea for help. The guy has made a move to use the system we all think is worth the effort (otherwise we wouldn't be here!) and the best advice you can offer is"I think the solution would be to use winNT"!? There were times when I first started using this OS when I thought about asking for help from this forum. Seeing your answers, I'm bloody glad I didn't, or I'd probably be using Linux by now. (Not that I have anything against it, some of my best friends use it.) Your attitude has really got to be the pits. I have seen Windoze "experts" treat newbies better! I am on this mailing list because I think that after 6 weeks with this OS, I am still a newbie. I have been working with computers (for a living) for over 12 years, but this FreeBSD is entirely new to me. With my previous experience, I can often work my way around things. But one thing I have learnt in this life is that two heads are better than one, as long as one of them isn't swollen with its' own importance. Either post something helpful, or don't post at all. Regards Igor Double your drive space - delete Windows! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 5:19 PM Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... > I think the solution would be to use winNT... It's not as good as > FreeBSD, but might be more appropriate to your skill level if the maturity > of your discourse is any indication. > > Dont rub his nose to hard into the ground Martin. Also, FreeBSD is no better > than WinNT and its not for the immature. Also this guys making an attempt at > installing FreeBSD and is asking for help, if you cant help him dont reply. > We both would probably be this way if we spent hours try to install something. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 8:22: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268751582E for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:22:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-123-st.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.123]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA27522 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:30:07 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <00db01bf00bc$14a25da0$7b2137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" Cc: References: <199909171424.HAA07813@pau-amma.whistle.com> Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:23:56 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Thanx for restoring my faith! Regards Igor Double your drive space - delete Windows! ----- Original Message ----- From: David Wolfskill To: ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 12:24 AM Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... > >Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:35:34 -0700 > >From: Donald > > >gezzzz I installed Freebsd on my machine after running > >BSD/OS 3.0 for a few years and the install was real easy. > > :-} > > >First 3com in not a good choice for Freebsd, to many things > >to hassel with, PNP, interupts and so on. What you need is a real > >simple non-pnp ISA slot NIC card like SMC. > > As to the first point... well, from what I've seen, the basic issue is > that 3Com, in a practice which I understand is not all that uncommon > among PC hardware vendors, has a tendency to change things without doing > a very good job of notifying folks who might care. After all, as long > as they are supplying the drivers for the Microsoft platforms, who else > needs to know? So I agree with the conclusion that 3Com isn't ideal, > but (as you'll see below) I'd recommend PCI if you can swing it. > > As a case in point (re: 3Com), it's my recollection that the 3C905 Ethernet > NIC had both PIO (programmed I/O) and DMA (direct memory access) methods > of moving data between the CPU and the NIC. Well, 3Com apparently decided > to make a slight modification; the result was the 3C905B. The salient > modification as far as the drivers were concerned was that with the 3C905B, > DMA is the only way to move data between the system and the NIC. > > Since the (old) driver for FreeBSD was based on code for an older NIC > (that only used PIO), the 3C905B (first) wasn't recognized, and then > wouldn't work. And the folks who sell these things retail are not > always the most clueful around. (A 3C905B *must* be "better than" a > 3C905, right? It's newer.... Lesson: the latest & greatest is *not* > always optimal.) > > (Bill Paul, at Columbia University, came to the rescue -- again. Wrote > a new driver that used DMA that could be used for all the 3C9x5* cards. > BTW, he posts from time to time in -current, asking for volunteers to > test new drivers he's written. Merely reading some of those posts can > be rather educational: it provides a hint as to what goes on "under the > covers". Just make very sure that if you ever need to ask folks for > help -- especially Bill -- that you provide all of the necessary > information. His previous posts (in the archives) tend to spell out > rather explicitly just what kind of information he neds to diagnose a > problem.) > > >You should have installed DOS first, > > That depends a great deal on one's background. The FreeBSD boxes I > administer, both here and at home, run only FreeBSD. (The one I built > for my wife never had any Microsoft software on it.) That may well be > appropriate advice for the specific individual, but I encourage others > to take advice specific to one person's circumstances "with a grain of > salt" before applying that advice to their own circumstances. > > >got you nic cards working, > >disabled pnp, and had the machine all partitioned first. > >Sound card, video card and so forth. > > And if you use a PCI NIC, you don't need to deal with it all that much; > they just Do The Right Thing ("DTRT") -- thanks to the efforts of folks > like Bill Paul. I picked up a couple of NetGear 10/100 PCI NICs for $20 > each a couple of months ago; they seem to work just fine (though the net > where they are is 10 Mb/sec only). > > Cheers, > david > -- > David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator > voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 8:26: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FDDF15412 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:25:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-123-st.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.123]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA27566 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:34:03 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <00e401bf00bc$a0f314c0$7b2137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" Cc: References: Subject: Re: since it's a newbies list, here goes.... Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:27:53 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Good luck Please let us know how it goes. I have a lot of associates who are saying the usual ...... I want to run BSD/Linux/BeOS, but I relly need my Windoze!" Regards Igor Double your drive space - delete Windows! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Pepin To: james ; Noah Pratt Cc: gregory kinney ; Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 7:16 PM Subject: RE: since it's a newbies list, here goes.... > I believe that VMWare for Windows creates a virtual machine that you can > install *BSD, Linux, Solaris, or another Windows on. (VMWare's site does > mention compatibility with FreeBSD in this fashion). I am going to be > trying this soon. I know someone who has VMWare for Linux which creates a > virtual machine that you can run Windows (and presumably FreeBSD, or another > Linux)in. It works very well for him. I might also try getting the VMWare > for Linux to work under emulation on FreeBSD. > > I need to run both WinNT and FreeBSD on a laptop that is not completely PAO > friendly. In theory, the Virtual Machine created by VMWare is very standard > and will allow things like networking to work, even though my actual card is > not supported by PAO. > > I have installed Linux on a Mac through VirtualPC, and that worked > wonderfully, I expect this should do the same. > > HTH, > > Joe Pepin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of james > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 9:49 PM > To: Noah Pratt > Cc: gregory kinney; newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: since it's a newbies list, here goes.... > > > Noah Pratt wrote: > > > > gregory kinney wrote: > > [lots of snippage] > > > is there any way to make the 1/2 widows 1/2 BSD machine do both at the > same > > > time? > > > > Yes! > > > > Well, no, not really. > > http://www.vmware.com/ has a very interesting product that lets you run NT > > and Linux simultaneously. (This is not just dual-boot, both operating > systems > > actually run concurrently.) They plan on adding support for other OSs. Has > > anyone had any experience with this? > > > > -Noah > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > problem is.... .they've stated that they have no intentions of > supporting *BSD =( > > james > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > james nigh > systems administrator/webmaster icq 27459905 > theDial > "Broadcasting for the New World" > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 8:40:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from copland.udel.edu (copland.udel.edu [128.175.13.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E8114D3B for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:40:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from papalia@UDel.Edu) Received: from localhost (papalia@localhost) by copland.udel.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18772; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:40:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "John M. Papalia" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: gregory kinney Subject: Some actual help (Was: it just goes on and on.......) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990916202713.009452e0@unix01.voicenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org George - First, one of the earlier writers (lost his name) was correct... more information is really needed... that being said... My answers may sound naive or simple, but I thought I'd take a stab at this (slightly out of order)... Anything i'm wrong on, I hope someone will (gently) correct it. Your kernel code would be in /sys/i386/conf/GENERIC on a new install. Take that file, and copy it naming it to your machines name (ex, I copied GENERIC to MERLIN). Editing your new file will then get you on your way there. For ethernet, you want to make sure you have as a minimum the following lines added or uncommented: pseudo-device ether device There is the question though as to which ethernet device you'd need, which will be deteremined by the model card you have. After determining which ethernet device name you'll need, you'll want to make sure that those exist in /dev. If they don't, you'll want to cd /dev and then ./Makedev . For example, ./Makedev vx0. Copy your original kernel (ie: cp /kernel /kernel.orig) just in case you need to boot to it again. Then the instructions in the book should be good for recompiling and installing the kernel (from within the /sys/i386/conf/ directory). After getting your kernel configured to match your specific system, it would be wisest (as someone already mentioned) to get one ethernet card working, and then proceed to getting the other one going as well. The file you'll want to edit is /etc/rc.conf Within that file you'll need to insert some additional information. About 20 lines down, you'll need to edit the "network_interfaces" line, adding your interface device names there. For example, my configuration has two cards - one to an internal net, one to the outside. My lines are as follows: network_interfaces="fxp0 fxp1 ppp0 lo0 tun0" # List of network interfaces (lo0 is # loopback). ifconfig_fxp0="inet 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" ifconfig_fxp1="inet 128.175.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0" I'm not sure how to get the system to re-read /etc/rc.conf without rebooting - maybe someone else can shed some light on that. Otherwise, I'd say reboot :) After you reboot, issued the command ifconfig -a and hopefully you will see your card is connected and purring along with the message "active" as can be seen here: merlin# ifconfig -a fxp0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 10.0.0.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.0.255 ether 00:a0:c9:6c:a9:23 media: autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX 10baseT/UT Simply put though, you're not gonna be going anywhere until you match up which device goes along with your ethernet card. Hope this helps, and I hope that someone will chime in with more useful or more correct information if need be. Regards, John > >to work - is getting any ethernet cards to work in any way; > > > >i need to have 2 cards to bridge 2 subnets > >they are in the machine > >they are 3com > >i have addresses for both subnets > >they are pluged in > >the jacks are live > >the machine is on > >unfortunately i have NO eo0 or eo1 or vx0 or vx1 > >thats about all there is to work with > >wont mount eo0 or eo1 or vx0 or vx1 > > > >so how in the world do you mount an ethernet device???? > >the networking comands exist in rc.config!!!! > >(for one of them anyway) > >where are the devices? > >i certainly cant find them! > > > >and i cant recompile the kernal, inserting them, cause i cant find the > >kernel source on the location specified in the book!!! > >i TOLD the install wizard to install all of the /src > >but apparently it descided not to! > > > >anyway - i am 4 more hours into an instilation that is about 12 hours old > >and STILL CANT FIND AN IP ADDRESS!!! > > > >thanks all > > > >greg kinney > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 8:46:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969E815840 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:46:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-123-st.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.123]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA27753 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:54:15 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <00f501bf00bf$73940fe0$7b2137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" To: References: <4.1.19990917091718.00a95d90@mail.vpr.uiowa.edu> Subject: Re: Instalation Problems Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:48:04 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chris I am no expert on BSD (hence me being here at Newbies) but the one thing I can pick up from your thread is that you are trying to boot from wd3. This translates to the Secondary Master (first drive on IDE2). The BIOS will not let you boot from this drive, unless it is following instructions set in the CMOS. If you have not altered your CMOS settings, then it will be looking to boot from IDE1 or FLOPPY1. Depending on the BIOS, set your boot parameters to IDE3 (if it starts at IDE1, or IDE2 if it starts at IDE0). Your boot manager will always try to load itself at sector 0 on "C:\ (IDE0 or 1). If you can tell me what the 'advanced" settings in your bios say (regards boot sequence) I may be able to help. I will also check with a friend who had a similar problem with Linux, and get back to you. Regards Igor Double your drive space - delete Windows! ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Manjoine To: Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 12:21 AM Subject: Instalation Problems > > hello, > > I get through the install quite fine when installing to wd3. But I have a boot > hd at wd1 I can't get the boot loader to boot the kernel on wd1 I get the error > error 6 panic cannot mount root. I read in the freebsd faq that I need to > assign the wd3 drive to boot in the kernel but I can't edit the kernel without > a shell to do it in. > > http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/install.html#AEN683 > ( I tried step one didn't work) > (step 2 is not an option) > (how do I do this without a shell to edit from?) > > is there any other solution for me to boot to wd3 drive? > > Chris Manjoine | DSP Webmaster | 335-3019 | chris-manjoine@uiowa.edu | 2B-2 > Glimore > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 8:47: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.dsp.uiowa.edu (mail.dsp.uiowa.edu [128.255.242.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D1515857 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:46:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris-manjoine@uiowa.edu) Received: from dsp45 (dsp62.dsp.uiowa.edu [128.255.242.128]) by mail.dsp.uiowa.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA09132 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:46:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990917104522.00a5e1e0@mail.vpr.uiowa.edu> X-Sender: manjoine@mail.vpr.uiowa.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:45:38 -0500 To: FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Chris Manjoine Subject: Instalation Problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok I've read the Faq about panic: cannot mount root. But I still have questions: To make a IDE drive bootable does it have to be on the master or can it be slave? I have one disk on the primary that has a old bsd and our backup and another disk that has a cd rom as the master and the IDE drive as slave. I install a bootable 3.2 freebsd to the slave and it installs fine. I reboot the system and it gives me th error 6 message. In following this faq http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/install.html#AEN683 I enter this at a boot prompt 1:wd(2,a)kernel is this right related txt files ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/3.2-RELEASE/TROUBLE.TXT To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 8:55:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B43714EF5 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:55:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-123-st.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.123]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA27974; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 02:03:53 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <010201bf00c0$cc0d2e80$7b2137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" To: "David Wolfskill" Cc: References: <199909171543.IAA08437@pau-amma.whistle.com> Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:57:41 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am a large person, with copious amounts of facial hair. Somebody, somewhere said "Bloody Hell, Here comes "Igor"! And the name just sort of stuck. {Anyway, that's the version I tell on an uncensored line!} ;-)) Regards Igor Double your drive space - delete Windows! ----- Original Message ----- From: David Wolfskill To: Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 1:43 AM Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... > >From: "Don Hansford" > >Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:23:56 +1000 > > >David > >Thanx for restoring my faith! > >Regards > >Igor > > Glad to help. > > But if you don't mind, would you explain why your From: lines say "Don > Hansford" but you "sign" your posts "Igor"? > > (When combined with various (lack of) "quoting" mechanisms in use, > things like that get very confusing very fast.) > > Cheers, > david > -- > David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator > voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 10:29:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail6.globalserve.net (mail6.globalserve.net [209.90.128.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F0B14FCA for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:29:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lalala@globalserve.net) Received: from lalala (dialin93.montreal.globalserve.net [209.167.12.93]) by mail6.globalserve.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA15276 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001301bf0131$0b6bc260$5d0ca7d1@lalala> From: "Martin M" To: References: <535d819f.25134568@aol.com> <008801bf0141$78229ea0$827e03cb@apana.org.au> Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:21:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, point taken.... sorry... I admit that my criticism was utterly unconstructive and useless, inspired more by a similar situation I was going through than his comments.... BUT I do think that people should attempt to keep their comments, if not glowingly positive, at least neutral... We have all been there, and I sympathise with his situation, but the way he phrases things makes me wonder if the help he gets is appreciated. So, um, I'm sorry and I will shut up now. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 10:33:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail6.globalserve.net (mail6.globalserve.net [209.90.128.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021CF154EA for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:33:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lalala@globalserve.net) Received: from lalala (dialin93.montreal.globalserve.net [209.167.12.93]) by mail6.globalserve.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA15523; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002901bf0131$9fe3e080$5d0ca7d1@lalala> From: "Martin M" To: "gregory kinney" , References: <19990917142507.85331.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:25:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you keep your attitude positive and understand that it can be done if you don't give up, you WILL eventually have your system working. (I feel guilty now) ----- Original Message ----- From: gregory kinney To: ; Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 10:25 AM Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... > Other, lesser beings, experience 'frustration' on occasion; as the list is > called 'newbies' one would imagine consolation rather than condescension. > > >From: "Martin M" > >To: > >Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... > >Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:26:54 -0400 > > > > > i am one very short step from just giving up on this install > > > > I guess that makes any attempt to help you one very short step away > >from > >being wasted. > > > > I really don't understand why you're taking such a negative attitude > >and > >why people are using their free time to help you despite it. I guess > >they're nicer than I am. > > > > I think the solution would be to use winNT... It's not as good as > >FreeBSD, but might be more appropriate to your skill level if the maturity > >of your discourse is any indication. > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 12:10:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web603.mail.yahoo.com (web603.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 554E014D70 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:10:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jorgandar@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19990917191023.11470.rocketmail@web603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.65.178.107] by web603.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:10:23 PDT Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:10:23 -0700 (PDT) From: jorgandar blackmoon Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... To: Martin M Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --- Martin M wrote: > > i am one very short step from just giving up on > this install > > I guess that makes any attempt to help you one > very short step away from > being wasted. > He's frusturated, cant you obviously see that? stop being such a jerk. > I really don't understand why you're taking such > a negative attitude and > why people are using their free time to help you > despite it. I guess > they're nicer than I am. Obviously most people are. You act as if your some perfect god who has never expierienced frusturation and then you only add to his problems by sneering about how perfect you are and how perfect he's not. I'm sure your mother has told you "If you dont have anything nice to say, bla bla bla." mabye that's one lesson you forgot to pick up. > > I think the solution would be to use winNT... > It's not as good as > FreeBSD, but might be more appropriate to your skill > level if the maturity > of your discourse is any indication. > > The newbies list is meant to HELP people not add to their frusturation. If you cant seem to conform to what this mailing list is all about, then you have no business posting messages here. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 12:57: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt014nb6.san.rr.com (dt014nb6.san.rr.com [24.30.129.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B1B154E1 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:57:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by dt014nb6.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA36161 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:46:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:46:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug X-Sender: doug@dt014nb6.san.rr.com To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: /dev entries for NIC's Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In a previous post I mentioned that the lack of a device entry in /dev for an ethernet card might be a symptom of trouble. Someone was kind enough to mention to me off list that not only is it not a sign of trouble, but NIC's (Network Interface Cards) never have /dev entries. :) My apologies for any confusion caused. Doug -- "My mama told me, my mama said, 'don't cry.' She said, 'you're too young a man to have as many women you got.' I looked at my mother dear and didn't even crack a smile. I said, 'If women kill me, I don't mind dyin!'" - John Belushi as "Joliet" Jake Blues, "I Don't Know" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 13:40:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from honk.org (cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A8C814C35 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:37:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from spectre (mpoulin@cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by honk.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA09317 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:37:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:37:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin X-Sender: mpoulin@spectre To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /dev entries for NIC's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Doug wrote: > In a previous post I mentioned that the lack of a device entry in > /dev for an ethernet card might be a symptom of trouble. Someone was kind > enough to mention to me off list that not only is it not a sign of > trouble, but NIC's (Network Interface Cards) never have /dev entries. :) > My apologies for any confusion caused. > If I can add $0.02 - this is precisely why the charter for this list doesn't want people to ask questions here. Ask a bunch of newbies a question, and you'll get a bunch of different answers, all of them potentially wrong. I can understand wanting to help, but the best way to help someone in a situation like this is to point them to -questions where they can expect a more experienced level of support. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 14: 6:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f217.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 684BC1542E for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:06:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mycotropic@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 14958 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 1999 21:06:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19990917210613.14957.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 170.223.140.130 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:06:12 PDT X-Originating-IP: [170.223.140.130] From: "gregory kinney" To: mpoulin@honk.org Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /dev entries for NIC's - potentialy wrong Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:06:12 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From: Marty Poulin >To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: /dev entries for NIC's >Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:37:25 -0400 (EDT) >> In a previous post I mentioned that the lack of a device >>entry in >>/dev for an ethernet card might be a symptom of trouble. Someone >>was >>kind >>enough to mention to me off list that not only is it not a sign of >>trouble, but NIC's (Network Interface Cards) never have /dev >>entries. :) >>My apologies for any confusion caused. >> >If I can add $0.02 - this is precisely why the charter for this list >doesn't want people to ask questions here. Ask a bunch of newbies a >question, and you'll get a bunch of different answers, all of them >potentially wrong. >I can understand wanting to help, but the best way to help someone >in a >situation like this is to point them to -questions where they can >expect a >more experienced level of support. as a member of the newbie population; this is a less intimidating forum to 'sorta' ask 'sorta' questions and get a little bonding going while getting over the FBSD culture shock - plus it feels bloody great to actualy know what 20% of the posts are ABOUT! greg kinney hitting PRINT SCREEN after EVERY post ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 14:13:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291FA158CE for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:13:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA10062; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 07:37:18 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle.apana.org.au(203.3.126.130), claiming to be "oracle" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdA10060; Sat Sep 18 07:37:11 1999 Message-ID: <001b01bf01a4$6bfefac0$827e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "Joe Pepin" Cc: References: Subject: Re: since it's a newbies list, here goes.... Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 07:07:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think one point that needs to be brought up here is the issue of resource requirements. I personally have not used VVMware, so I may be talking out of class, but I have used other emulators and I've read many reports of VMware and while it certainly seems to work quite well, the authors invariably state that it virtually doubles the load on the machine, which at least sounds logical since you are effectively running two operating systems at once. If one doesn't mind stuff taking forever to happen then its not a problem .... however I don't know that emulators are necessarily the solution for constant use ...... occasional experimenting / development work is another issue entirely of course ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Pepin To: james ; Noah Pratt Cc: gregory kinney ; Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 9:16 AM Subject: RE: since it's a newbies list, here goes.... > I believe that VMWare for Windows creates a virtual machine that you can > install *BSD, Linux, Solaris, or another Windows on. (VMWare's site does > mention compatibility with FreeBSD in this fashion). I am going to be > trying this soon. I know someone who has VMWare for Linux which creates a > virtual machine that you can run Windows (and presumably FreeBSD, or another > Linux)in. It works very well for him. I might also try getting the VMWare > for Linux to work under emulation on FreeBSD. > > I need to run both WinNT and FreeBSD on a laptop that is not completely PAO > friendly. In theory, the Virtual Machine created by VMWare is very standard > and will allow things like networking to work, even though my actual card is > not supported by PAO. > > I have installed Linux on a Mac through VirtualPC, and that worked > wonderfully, I expect this should do the same. > > HTH, > > Joe Pepin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of james > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 9:49 PM > To: Noah Pratt > Cc: gregory kinney; newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: since it's a newbies list, here goes.... > > > Noah Pratt wrote: > > > > gregory kinney wrote: > > [lots of snippage] > > > is there any way to make the 1/2 widows 1/2 BSD machine do both at the > same > > > time? > > > > Yes! > > > > Well, no, not really. > > http://www.vmware.com/ has a very interesting product that lets you run NT > > and Linux simultaneously. (This is not just dual-boot, both operating > systems > > actually run concurrently.) They plan on adding support for other OSs. Has > > anyone had any experience with this? > > > > -Noah > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > problem is.... .they've stated that they have no intentions of > supporting *BSD =( > > james > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > james nigh > systems administrator/webmaster icq 27459905 > theDial > "Broadcasting for the New World" > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 14:20:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3526D14F6E for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:20:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA10072; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 07:44:00 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle.apana.org.au(203.3.126.130), claiming to be "oracle" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdT10070; Sat Sep 18 07:43:52 1999 Message-ID: <002301bf01a5$5aca4420$827e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "Don Hansford" Cc: References: <535d819f.25134568@aol.com> <007701bf00b6$bd217e80$7b2137cb@igor> Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 07:13:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > There were times when I first started using this OS when I thought about > asking for help from this forum. Seeing your answers, I'm bloody glad I > didn't, or I'd probably be using Linux by now. (Not that I have anything > against it, some of my best friends use it.) If this was a linux forum he'd probably be tarred and feathered by now .... many of that mob are total fanatics who face california three times a day and recite "Our Linus ......." the mere mention of that unmentionable software company (or any commercial one for that matter) sends them into a frenzy. What impressed me about the FreeBSD mailing list is the considerably more openminded attitude of most contributors .... there's always the "odd" one though who doesn't believe help forums are the place for newbies to ask basic questions To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 14:42:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dfsi.net (mail.dfsi.net [204.49.105.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A3814D3B for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:42:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glen@dfsi.net) Received: from glen1 [204.49.105.215] by dfsi.net (SMTPD32-5.01) id A5FD2020128; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:43:25 CDT Message-ID: <026e01bf0154$0653d060$8b6931cc@dfsi.net> Reply-To: "Glen Rushing" From: "Glen Rushing" To: References: <001b01bf01a4$6bfefac0$827e03cb@apana.org.au> Subject: Another newbies list Inquiry Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:31:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What is the consensus here on the best way to acquire FreeBsd? Download it off the FTP site or order the CDROM distribution? If downloading is the best answer, is there a LIST of which files are needed to download? I looked at the FTP site and wasn't sure WHICH files I needed to download. I'll be installing initially over a WIN 98 machine, then later over my WINNT machines if all works out well enough. Don't TAR & FEATHER me now but I am currently a WINNT user as an ISP and am looking into FreeBsd since it appears to require much less RAM/RESOURCES etc. Direct comments about the pros and cons would be appreciated, but please be serious so I can confirm what I have already been reading about FreeBSD. Thanks to all in advance! Glen Rushing DFSI, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 15:13:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C3115A58 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:12:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA10128; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 08:35:48 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle.apana.org.au(203.3.126.130), claiming to be "oracle" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdB10126; Sat Sep 18 08:35:42 1999 Message-ID: <00ea01bf01ac$98200060$827e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "Glen Rushing" Cc: References: <001b01bf01a4$6bfefac0$827e03cb@apana.org.au> <026e01bf0154$0653d060$8b6931cc@dfsi.net> Subject: Re: Another newbies list Inquiry Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 08:05:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm relatively new to *nix generally after years of NT4 ..... I messed around with the "toy" nixes before getting FreeBSD some weeks ago. It took a bit of learning to get past enough of the the weirdness to get it functional in a basic form, but its certainly proven to be a lot more reliable for server work than NT4 ever was ...... I don't know that I'd ever use it for desktop applications as I haven't had good experiences with KDE and I just can't come to grips with the likes of the "mount" insanity endemic to all CLI mode *nixes. I use a combination of Win98 / Win2000 / Solaris / SCO for applications other than the server as they do what I want in particular situations. As for the "acquire" issue, I've never been able to install FreeBSD satisfactorily any other way than from CD .... that always works well for me. In theory at least you can download via FTP and install directly or from floppy, but I've never been able to get that to work and judging from the mailing list a bunch of others have had similar problems ...... at least the CD thing works without fuss > What is the consensus here on the best way to acquire FreeBsd? > Download it off the FTP site or order the CDROM distribution? If > downloading is the best answer, is there a LIST of which files are needed to > download? I looked at the FTP site and wasn't sure WHICH files I needed to > download. I'll be installing initially over a WIN 98 machine, then later > over my WINNT machines if all works out well enough. > Don't TAR & FEATHER me now but I am currently a WINNT user as an ISP and > am looking into FreeBsd since it appears to require much less RAM/RESOURCES > etc. > Direct comments about the pros and cons would be appreciated, but > please be serious so I can confirm what I have already been reading about > FreeBSD. > > Thanks to all in advance! > Glen Rushing > DFSI, Inc. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 16: 0:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5777414FCA for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:00:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from maneben@charlie.cns.iit.edu) Received: from localhost (maneben@localhost) by charlie.cns.iit.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id SAA18520; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:01:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:01:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "Benjamin M. Manes" To: Glen Rushing Cc: freebsd-newbies@Freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another newbies list Inquiry In-Reply-To: <026e01bf0154$0653d060$8b6931cc@dfsi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > What is the consensus here on the best way to acquire FreeBsd? > Download it off the FTP site or order the CDROM distribution? If Personally I like the cd myself. You need a direct connection to install via ftp (you make a boot disk and tell it to get the files). Its simply a bit easier for most people to either buy the cds (and support the project), or download the iso and burn a copy. The CDs are bootable, fast, easy to give away, and of course duplicate for others. Mainly, though, it depends on your connection and how frequently you plan on installing, etc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 16: 2:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt014nb6.san.rr.com (dt014nb6.san.rr.com [24.30.129.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9679514FCA for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:02:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by dt014nb6.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA38298; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:52:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:52:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug X-Sender: doug@dt014nb6.san.rr.com To: Marty Poulin Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /dev entries for NIC's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Marty Poulin wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Doug wrote: > > > In a previous post I mentioned that the lack of a device entry in > > /dev for an ethernet card might be a symptom of trouble. Someone was kind > > enough to mention to me off list that not only is it not a sign of > > trouble, but NIC's (Network Interface Cards) never have /dev entries. :) > > My apologies for any confusion caused. > > > > If I can add $0.02 - this is precisely why the charter for this list > doesn't want people to ask questions here. No, it isn't actually. The "reasons" for not wanting people to ask questions here revolve entirely around other issues. > Ask a bunch of newbies a > question, and you'll get a bunch of different answers, all of them > potentially wrong. The same thing is true of asking in -questions. There are a lot of wrong answers there, however the peer review process is more rigorous. > I can understand wanting to help, but the best way to help someone in a > situation like this is to point them to -questions where they can expect a > more experienced level of support. A) I'm hardly what you'd call a new user. B) My original post DID tell the user to direct his questions to -questions. C) What I said in my post was that the absence of the /dev entry *may* represent a problem, but that he should really follow up on that in -questions because I was not familiar enough with the issue to give him a confident answer. My purpose in providing a clarification was to help make sure that no one was misled by my misplaced apprehensions. Lately this list has been turning into one pissing contest after another, and the whole tone of it is entirely inappropriate. The purpose of this list is to provide support and encouragement to new users, not to give people a chance to pound one another over the head with their whopping months of experience. My suggestion is that if you can't find better things to do with your time than to publicly criticize people who actually are helping, simply refrain from posting till you can. Doug -- "My mama told me, my mama said, 'don't cry.' She said, 'you're too young a man to have as many women you got.' I looked at my mother dear and didn't even crack a smile. I said, 'If women kill me, I don't mind dyin!'" - John Belushi as "Joliet" Jake Blues, "I Don't Know" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 17:26: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gw.caamora.com.au (jonath5.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.41.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0BF1508F for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:25:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@gw.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by gw.caamora.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA05827; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 10:25:52 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Message-ID: <19990918102551.A5764@caamora.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 10:25:51 +1000 From: jonathan michaels To: Martin M , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... Mail-Followup-To: Martin M , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <535d819f.25134568@aol.com> <008801bf0141$78229ea0$827e03cb@apana.org.au> <001301bf0131$0b6bc260$5d0ca7d1@lalala> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <001301bf0131$0b6bc260$5d0ca7d1@lalala>; from Martin M on Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 01:21:12PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD gw.caamora.com.au 2.2.7-RELEASE i386 X-Mood: i'm alive, if it counts Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 01:21:12PM -0400, Martin M wrote: > Ok, point taken.... sorry... > > I admit that my criticism was utterly unconstructive and useless, > inspired more by a similar situation I was going through than his > comments.... BUT > > I do think that people should attempt to keep their comments, if not > glowingly positive, at least neutral... We have all been there, and I > sympathise with his situation, but the way he phrases things makes me wonder > if the help he gets is appreciated. each one of us has thier own specific way of communication, not everybody has teh same command of teh the same language that we do . of our own that is. i suppose what i'm trying to say is that we need to be able to read teh words being used rather than looking for a reason to 'react'. i should know, all to well, sadly. because of my upbringing and a few "minor" congenital brain abnormalities i sue language in a almost uniquely 'jonathan' style. and, it has be the cause, reason, for more than a few problems from both sides of teh fence .. just quietly. one that it seems is teh delite of several posters from america, when they need to kick someting. its easy to find fault, its even easier to be one of teh crowding vultures. real communication comes about only when we can sit back and listen to what is being said ... not reacting to what we thought was being imputed. > So, um, I'm sorry and I will shut up now. no need to "shut up", rather take the time to listen (ok read) to what is being said (written) and remember that not every body uses language, or has the same skill, the same mastery as we might have. english might be the universal languge of The Internet, but universal understanding is a long way off. thank you for your post, it take a lot to say sorry, and it is always a good forst step in teh begining to listen process, so my grandmother used to say, and, so i have discovered in my own life. warm regards jonathan please excuse the spelling, its caused by dsylexia and a few neurological probelms that make typing and seeing more than just a bit hard. -- =============================================================================== Jonathan Michaels PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia =========================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 17:30:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rearstage.andysaudio.com (rearstage.andysaudio.com [206.132.13.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA06E157DC for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:30:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andy@andysaudio.com) Received: from localhost (andy@localhost) by rearstage.andysaudio.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24471; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:29:05 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:29:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew C. Ohnstad" To: Doug Young Cc: Joe Pepin , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: since it's a newbies list, here goes.... In-Reply-To: <001b01bf01a4$6bfefac0$827e03cb@apana.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, Doug Young wrote: > well, the authors invariably state that it virtually doubles the load on the > machine, which at least > sounds logical since you are effectively running two operating systems at > once. If one doesn't > mind stuff taking forever to happen then its not a problem .... however I > don't know that emulators > are necessarily the solution for constant use ...... occasional > experimenting / development work > is another issue entirely of course Actually, VMWare works very well with little or no degregation... In fact this message comes from Vmware running Linux over NT... I use this setup every day at work. There are a couple custom applications that I need for work that only exist on Windoze. But i spend 90 % of my time in a fullscreen VMWare/Linux session. :) =-=Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 17:49:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E04D214F55 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:49:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10263; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:13:00 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle.apana.org.au(203.3.126.130), claiming to be "oracle" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdH10261; Sat Sep 18 11:12:57 1999 Message-ID: <018601bf01c2$8e2f2200$827e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "Andrew C. Ohnstad" Cc: References: Subject: Re: since it's a newbies list, here goes.... Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 10:42:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK thats interesting I'm not a fan of linux but VMware will no doubt run in FreeBSD so sounds like it might be worth a closer look ... thanks for the comments ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew C. Ohnstad To: Doug Young Cc: Joe Pepin ; Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 9:29 PM Subject: Re: since it's a newbies list, here goes.... > On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, Doug Young wrote: > > > well, the authors invariably state that it virtually doubles the load on the > > machine, which at least > > sounds logical since you are effectively running two operating systems at > > once. If one doesn't > > mind stuff taking forever to happen then its not a problem .... however I > > don't know that emulators > > are necessarily the solution for constant use ...... occasional > > experimenting / development work > > is another issue entirely of course > > Actually, VMWare works very well with little or no degregation... In fact > this message comes from Vmware running Linux over NT... > > I use this setup every day at work. There are a couple custom > applications that I need for work that only exist on Windoze. But i spend > 90 % of my time in a fullscreen VMWare/Linux session. > > :) > > =-=Andrew > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 18:33:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from staff.cs.usyd.edu.au (staff.cs.usyd.edu.au [129.78.8.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BBAC114F6D for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:33:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mhenry@pgrad.cs.usyd.edu.au) Subject: Re: Another newbies list Inquiry To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:33:30 +1000 (EST) From: "Michael Henry" Cc: glen@dfsi.net Expires: Mon, 20 Sep 99 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1326 Message-Id: <19990918013341.BBAC114F6D@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > What is the consensus here on the best way to acquire FreeBsd? > Download it off the FTP site or order the CDROM distribution? If this is your first time, get the CDROM. That way you can get a copy of "The Complete FreeBSD" while you're at it. > If > downloading is the best answer, is there a LIST of which files are needed to > download? This info is not needed; the install program takes care of all that. > I looked at the FTP site and wasn't sure WHICH files I needed to > download. Look at the Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install.html It talks about the two files you need to get, which then need to be dumped onto floppies with fdimage.exe. > I'll be installing initially over a WIN 98 machine, then later > over my WINNT machines if all works out well enough. > Don't TAR & FEATHER me now but I am currently a WINNT user as an ISP and > am looking into FreeBsd since it appears to require much less RAM/RESOURCES > etc. Tar and feather? I usually tar and gzip :) > Direct comments about the pros and cons would be appreciated, but > please be serious so I can confirm what I have already been reading about > FreeBSD. There is nothing to say. Try it for yourself; that's the only way you'll be convinced. > > Thanks to all in advance! > Glen Rushing > DFSI, Inc. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 19:30:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8008615703 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:30:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15708 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:30:09 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:30:09 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199909180230.MAA15708@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 21:50:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ionet.net (mail.ionet.net [206.41.128.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB6D1585D for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:50:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from photon@ionet.net) Received: from ionet.net (photon@okcnasd-92.ionet.net [38.193.50.58]) by ionet.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA15340; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:49:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37E318EE.75F915AF@ionet.net> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:45:34 -0500 From: Photon Blizzard Organization: Blizzard of Photons Networking X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.6 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Why the list then? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit > > (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. > It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) > > FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about > installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests > are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. > > FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to > questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. *Stuff deleted* Greetings Sue! Heck, I'm surprised it took you so long to post the list's charter considering the recent activity! :-) And to try to remain on-topic, I would like to say that I think the BSD news on the website has a really cute gif of 'Beastie' or 'Chuck' or whatever with the Daemons little tennis shoed foot up on the table suckin' on a Pepsi Cola or whatever. They've got a lotta' really swell T-Shirts and other nifty stuff at 'www.freebsd.mall' too! I even have my very own FreeBSD T-Shirt! Cool, huh! Okay, now the real deal. I understand that this is not a technical list, that it is not intended for installation issues, that these questions should be posted to questions, or whatever appropriate list. If the previous paragraph does not appeal to anyone, (even you..), then just kill the list or change the lists charter. 'Questions' is the last list that a brand new BSD user will get an answer from, and apparently, even asking questions from this list will get mostly negative 'I am Super Geek! No Stupidity Tolerated' results. And I have a confession to make, I am currently running Linux. EEEKKK!!!! :-) For general 'Defeat the evil Bill Gates' OS it is much easier for 'userland' apps than anything else. (Not that near-do-well evil clone RedHat, but Slackware). On this same machine I have Virus 95', (primarily for printing), Slackware Linux 4.0 and FreeBSD 2.8.8. If I want to play in userland, I use Linux, if I wan't to have a solid net connection with the 7 machines on my net here at home I use FreeBSD. It is undeniably the best beast for solid networking. :-) Since 1983 or so, I've run MicroPort Unix, SCO Xenix, ISC SVR3, yada, yada, yada. And I wouldn't know a line of 'C' code if it bit me on the leg! I'm a hobbyist. The first machine I ran an X-Nix OS on was a Sanyo 8086 system that shipped by default with CP/M. (Crashed every 30 seconds or so...) :-) Okay... Ain't I neat mode disengaged. Point is, where the heck can a "Newbie" go to get very basic install help for FreeBSD? I am not trying to be negative, but this list seems to attract newbies wanting to ask newbie questions, but the questions are technically outside the lists charter. So why is it here? Be well, and much happiness! Michael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 17 23:47:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from radagast.wizard.net (radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63791550C for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:47:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tyson@alumni.stanford.org) Received: from alumni.stanford.org (tc1-s0.wizard.net [206.161.15.30]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA01418; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 02:46:41 -0400 Message-Id: <199909180646.CAA01418@radagast.wizard.net> To: Photon Blizzard Cc: sue@welearn.com.au, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why the list then? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:45:34 CDT." <37E318EE.75F915AF@ionet.net> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 02:46:30 -0400 From: "Donald R. Tyson" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Michael -- I cannot agree with you that people on the -questions list are unhelpful. I have posted at least three times to that list and each time received prompt, effective, and pleasant replies. I've also seen installation (for example, partition size, media choice, among others) questions asked and answered there. I'm not sure what installation questions you might have, but if you really can't find the answer in the Handbook or other places I think you shoud go ahead and ask on -questions. (There are rude people everywhere, obviously, but interestingly enough I've seen a couple of posts on -questions in the last couple of weeks chastizing others for giving rude replies and thereby turning newbies off FreeBSD.) Regards, Don Tyson > Sue Blake wrote: > > > FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit > > > > (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. > > It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) > > *Stuff deleted* > > Greetings Sue! > [snipped] > Okay, now the real deal. I understand that this is not a technical > list, > that it is not intended for installation issues, that these questions > should > be posted to questions, or whatever appropriate list. If the previous > paragraph does not appeal to anyone, (even you..), then just kill the > list > or change the lists charter. 'Questions' is the last list that a brand > new > BSD user will get an answer from, and apparently, even asking questions > from this list will get mostly negative 'I am Super Geek! No Stupidity > Tolerated' results. > [snipped] > > Point is, where the heck can a "Newbie" go to get very basic install > help for FreeBSD? I am not trying to be negative, but this list seems > to attract newbies wanting to ask newbie questions, but the questions > are technically outside the lists charter. So why is it here? > > Be well, and much happiness! > > Michael > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 18 0: 8:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA96214DD6 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:08:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-108-st.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.108]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA09194 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:16:43 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <004501bf0140$49b81a00$6c2137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" To: References: <001b01bf01a4$6bfefac0$827e03cb@apana.org.au> <026e01bf0154$0653d060$8b6931cc@dfsi.net> Subject: Re: Another newbies list Inquiry Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 05:10:19 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'd tend to go with the CD's. At least then you have everything you should need. (I know it's going to take me yonks to go through it all.) Regards Igor Difference between computers & air-conditioners? Not much, neither work well when you open windows! ----- Original Message ----- From: Glen Rushing To: Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 7:31 AM Subject: Another newbies list Inquiry > What is the consensus here on the best way to acquire FreeBsd? > Download it off the FTP site or order the CDROM distribution? If > downloading is the best answer, is there a LIST of which files are needed to > download? I looked at the FTP site and wasn't sure WHICH files I needed to > download. I'll be installing initially over a WIN 98 machine, then later > over my WINNT machines if all works out well enough. > Don't TAR & FEATHER me now but I am currently a WINNT user as an ISP and > am looking into FreeBsd since it appears to require much less RAM/RESOURCES > etc. > Direct comments about the pros and cons would be appreciated, but > please be serious so I can confirm what I have already been reading about > FreeBSD. > > Thanks to all in advance! > Glen Rushing > DFSI, Inc. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 18 1:22:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web602.mail.yahoo.com (web602.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB4E114ED4 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:22:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jorgandar@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19990918082323.15419.rocketmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.65.100.20] by web602.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:23:23 PDT Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:23:23 -0700 (PDT) From: jorgandar blackmoon Subject: whoops! To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org IN my humble newbie opinion: In my humble opinion: It's much easier for us "newbies" to post our newbie questions to a newbie list b/c it seems like it's where they belong. Newbie questions posted on this list help other newbies understand the basics of FreeBSD, without having to sort out what you might understand vs. what you wont on other mailing lists. You want more newbies to fuel the freeBSD movement? Then just let them have what they need, a newbies mailing list that is also for newbie questions. ~Joe~ PS: Dont correct my spelling, it's rude. "I ain't no english major!" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 18 4:15:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from radagast.wizard.net (radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D10114F58 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 04:15:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tyson@alumni.stanford.org) Received: from alumni.stanford.org (tc1-s0.wizard.net [206.161.15.30]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA09125; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 07:15:51 -0400 Message-Id: <199909181115.HAA09125@radagast.wizard.net> To: glen@dfsi.net Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another newbies list Inquiry In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Sep 1999 05:10:19 +1000." <004501bf0140$49b81a00$6c2137cb@igor> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 07:15:38 -0400 From: "Donald R. Tyson" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Glen -- CDs are clearly the fastest and most convenient way to install FreeBSD and, if you buy the complete set, you get Greg Lehey's book as well. If you need to re-install, the CDs are right there and work just as quickly the second or third or fourth time around. That said, I'm going to put in a good word for getting it by FTP, always assuming you aren't charged by the minute for your phone connection. Someone else already correctly pointed out that you only need to get the two boot floppy images and make the floppies; the installation utility takes care of getting the files you need. The advantage of FTP, or at least of getting the ports collection by FTP, is that you get an up-to-the-minute collection ports collection as part of the install. With the CDs, you get the collection as it was when the CDs were created. Perhaps the best mix is to get the CDs (use the Cheapbytes edition if cost is a factor, although you don't get the Lehey book), but install the ports collection by FTP. Finally, FTP lets you try (if you've got the time and the inclination), all of the available releases: 2.2.8, 3.2 and 3.3 without buying CDs for each one. Just get the floppies, follow the installation utility's instructions for setting up your ppp connection, and let go to bed and let it run. Good luck, Don Tyson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Glen Rushing > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 7:31 AM > Subject: Another newbies list Inquiry > > > > What is the consensus here on the best way to acquire FreeBsd? > > Download it off the FTP site or order the CDROM distribution? If To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 18 4:17:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CEC14D63 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 04:17:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-115-st.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.115]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA11500 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 21:26:02 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <001e01bf0163$1bc2bb00$732137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" To: References: <19990918082323.15419.rocketmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: whoops! Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:19:34 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I ain't no english major, either, but I was once an Australian Sergeant, does that count?? Regards Igor Difference between computers & air-conditioners? Not much, neither work well when you open windows! ----- Original Message ----- From: jorgandar blackmoon To: Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 6:23 PM Subject: whoops! > IN my humble newbie opinion: > In my humble opinion: > > It's much easier for us "newbies" to post our newbie questions to a > newbie list b/c it seems like it's where they belong. Newbie questions > posted on this list help other newbies understand the basics of > FreeBSD, without having to sort out what you might understand vs. what > you wont on other mailing lists. > You want more newbies to fuel the freeBSD movement? Then just let them > have what they need, a newbies mailing list that is also for newbie > questions. > > ~Joe~ > > PS: Dont correct my spelling, it's rude. > "I ain't no english major!" > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 18 6: 1:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail5.globalserve.net (mail5.globalserve.net [209.90.128.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3880214FB7 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 06:01:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lalala@globalserve.net) Received: from globalserve.net (dialin26.montreal.globalserve.net [209.167.12.26]) by mail5.globalserve.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16556 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37E38B2E.FC1BC99C@globalserve.net> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 08:53:02 -0400 From: Marty C X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: it just goes on and on....... References: <19990917191023.11470.rocketmail@web603.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org jorgandar blackmoon wrote: > > --- Martin M wrote: > > > i am one very short step from just giving up on > > this install > > > > I guess that makes any attempt to help you one > > very short step away from > > being wasted. > > > > He's frusturated, cant you obviously see that? stop being such a > jerk. I've already apologized for this post... I am sorry, OK? The point I was TRYING to make was that we all get frustrated, but despite that would still be better served by conforming to rules of netiquette. For example, after apologizing three times for something I did, some guy called me jerk again... Frustrated, I, in turn, would reply without name calling. Netiquette. > > > I really don't understand why you're taking such > > a negative attitude and > > why people are using their free time to help you > > despite it. I guess > > they're nicer than I am. > > Obviously most people are. You act as if your some perfect god who > has never expierienced frusturation and then you only add to his > problems by sneering about how perfect you are and how perfect he's > not. I'm sure your mother has told you "If you dont have anything nice > to say, bla bla bla." mabye that's one lesson you forgot to pick up. Wow. Perfect god? You saw that in my post? I think you are really blowing things out of proportion. Honestly, I think HE would have been better served to elaborate on the error messages than the particulars of the emotions he was feeling at the time. I didn't mean to hurt his feelings or make you cry. I am sorry. (Hail Mary * 100). I am sorry. I am sorry. I am sorry. Now, please stop being mean to me. > > > -- ======================================= | from Martin, lalala@globalserve.net | | -Destroyer of Hard Drives | | -Mangler of partition tables | | -Data's worst nightmare | ======================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 18 8: 8: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB7E14F5C for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 08:07:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17399; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 01:07:38 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 01:07:33 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Photon Blizzard Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why the list then? Message-ID: <19990919010731.D14607@welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Photon Blizzard , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <37E318EE.75F915AF@ionet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <37E318EE.75F915AF@ionet.net>; from Photon Blizzard on Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 11:45:34PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 11:45:34PM -0500, Photon Blizzard wrote: > > *Stuff deleted* Ditto. > They've got a lotta' really swell T-Shirts and other nifty stuff at > 'www.freebsd.mall' too! I even have my very own FreeBSD T-Shirt! > Cool, huh! Hmph. I want a full length black skirt with little daemons all over it! Maybe they'll get them in one day... I can dream, can't I? > 'Questions' is the last list that a brand new BSD user will get an > answer from, and apparently, even asking questions from this list > will get mostly negative 'I am Super Geek! No Stupidity Tolerated' > results. If you get that sort of response from this list, you almost deserve it for expecting newbies to have a level of sophistication that would allow them to refer you politely to the correct list. They should, but many are still learning to do that. Bad behaviour is inexcusable everywhere, but people do have to be free to make a lot of mistakes in order to learn. Some of the biggest jerks have settled down and become valued contributors once they get a chance to relax and feel they fit in. We hardly ever have flame fests here, but when we do, everyone learns a lesson from it. The one just ending now is a good example. Everyone involved did a lot of hard thinking, and in the end I think we're all better people than when it started. In a newbies-only environment at least we can forgive each other and not have a reputation to live down forever among the broader community. On the other hand, if you get that kind of put-down response on freebsd-questions, that HAS to be fixed. They must get used to seeing sensible newbies with sensible questions, however simple, and seeing appropriate responses. It's all very well to expect more experienced users to help, but it has to go both ways. How can we help the non-newbies to get used to dealing with newbies if newbies send their questions elsewhere? How can we deal with issues if we can only speak in a forum where newbies feel outnumbered by super geeks? If you don't like the way you're treated in freebsd-questions, come here to a safe environment if you need to let off steam, where you won't be shouted down by experts if you say anything stupid. Then we can work on a solution: help you reword your question, have my budgerigar crap all over the offender's keyboard, or whatever. > And I have a confession to make, I am currently running Linux. > EEEKKK!!!! :-) For general 'Defeat the evil Bill Gates' OS it is much > easier for 'userland' apps than anything else. (Not that > near-do-well evil clone RedHat, but Slackware). On this same machine > I have Virus 95', (primarily for printing), Slackware Linux 4.0 and > FreeBSD 2.8.8. A large proportion of freebsd-newbies subscribers (compared to the other lists) runs other operating systems, so there's no need for anyone to feel inhibited about mentioning them here. Nobody gets religious about it either, which is nice. > Point is, where the heck can a "Newbie" go to get very basic install > help for FreeBSD? FreeBSD-questions. > I am not trying to be negative, but this list seems > to attract newbies wanting to ask newbie questions, It attracts newbies, many of whom are too unfamiliar with mailing lists to be bothered following the list charters. If they made that mistake elsewhere, they'd get quite a hostile reception, not good for one's first taste of FreeBSD. It's nicer to get prodded by 200 fellow learners here, rather than flamed by 2000 experts in another FreeBSD list. > but the questions are technically outside the lists charter. So why > is it here? For many tiny little things. It is a catch-all for any newbies activity that is not permitted in other lists. It's a place where newbies can relax and be newbies just with other newbies, without having to feel like they're at school or under inspection all the time. It is not meant to be everyone's cup of tea. In particular, those newbies who think that 100% of being a newbie is asking for help won't like it, and should be encouraged to move on. Those newbies who want time off from constantly pleading for help and/or being told what to do, who want to talk to some other FreeBSD users as equals for a change, can use this list. There's nowhere else where they can do that. A huge number of people find it boring and won't want to hang around here, and that's OK too. They're free to go play with the Big Boys. Every FreeBSD list is open to newbies (but study the list charters first!), but this is the only one where the communication mistakes that come from inexperience can be tolerated, not judged harshly if it's clear that learning is happening. It's also the place where you can get responses exclusively from newbies, for example, opinions on a newbies-friendly resource or activity. And as the welcome mat for new newbies, you all have the opportunity to contribute here by helping them to feel they are among friends and to become comfortable using the resources that are available. That's an important job that nobody can do as well as other newbies. Like it or not, you are all role models for everyone who wanders in wondering whether or not to continue with this FreeBSD thing. Fortunately you don't have to provide examples of technical support as well, but if you don't like how it's going over there you can bitch about it here until we all get it right. > Be well, and much happiness! You too :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 18 8:36:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D8D14D74 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 08:36:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17468; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 01:36:17 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 01:36:14 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Marty Poulin Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /dev entries for NIC's Message-ID: <19990919013608.E14607@welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Marty Poulin , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Marty Poulin on Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 04:37:25PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 04:37:25PM -0400, Marty Poulin wrote: > > > If I can add $0.02 - this is precisely why the charter for this list > doesn't want people to ask questions here. Ask a bunch of newbies a > question, and you'll get a bunch of different answers, all of them > potentially wrong. > > I can understand wanting to help, but the best way to help someone in a > situation like this is to point them to -questions where they can expect a > more experienced level of support. Thanks Marty, you're quite right. Don't believe for one minute that the experts never make mistakes. FreeBSD-Questions shows the most clever people making stupid mistakes now and then, sometimes dangerous typos or misunderstandings after working too long, but they're _very_ quick to correct each other. They have a huge pool of knowledgeable peers to quietly assess each response and pipe up if there's any doubt. Sometimes experts come in here, meaning well, and try to advise newbies away from peer review, and when they make mistakes it's not easy to notice or have the misinformation corrected in a timely manner. In fact, because of the power disparity the whole thing is rather difficult to deal with in a civil manner. Some have repeated this on three or more incidents, and there seems to be no stopping the misinformation other than by enforcing the list charter on all. That's why we should not ask, nor answer, _nor_believe_ answers seen here, and should assume that everyone is yesterday's newbie no matter who they are or how authoritative they sound. It's fine training for the other lists too :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 18 9:53:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.ab.home.com (ha1.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com [24.64.2.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A55B14D32 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:53:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jschultz@home.com) Received: from jeremy ([24.64.24.215]) by mail.rdc1.ab.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <19990918165325.UHWW7737.mail.rdc1.ab.home.com@jeremy> for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:53:25 -0700 Message-ID: <001001bf01f7$cbecb1e0$0f01010a@jeremy> From: "Jeremiah Schultz" To: Subject: File systems Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:03:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was just wondering what all the different file systems are used for and what they stand for. This is what I have know (or do not know) so far: ufs - ?universal? file system, basic file system for unix mfs - memory file system, a file system created in memory(RAM) thus very fast nfs - network file system, a file system for networking, allows for remote system to mount it as a local file system ffs - fast file system - uummm its fast :) Are there any others avaible? Also I have the all my file system mounted by ufs(default?), can I switch current file system to others. Specifically I wanted to use nfs so i can mount a remote file system to me local one. I have three FreeBSD(3.2) machines(PC, Laprop, and a Natd/gateway machine) Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 18 13:44: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gw.caamora.com.au (jonath5.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.41.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FCE614DDD for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 13:43:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@gw.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by gw.caamora.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA07288; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 06:43:45 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Message-ID: <19990919064344.A7264@caamora.com.au> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 06:43:44 +1000 From: jonathan michaels To: Sue Blake Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /dev entries for NIC's Mail-Followup-To: Sue Blake , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990919013608.E14607@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19990919013608.E14607@welearn.com.au>; from Sue Blake on Sun, Sep 19, 1999 at 01:36:14AM +1000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD gw.caamora.com.au 2.2.7-RELEASE i386 X-Mood: i'm alive, if it counts Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Sep 19, 1999 at 01:36:14AM +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 04:37:25PM -0400, Marty Poulin wrote: > > > should assume that everyone is yesterday's newbie no matter who they > are or how authoritative they sound. It's fine training for the other > lists too :-) someting the other lists members would do to remember equally as well. we are not all the same, tolerance is not a state of mind rather a set of actions that leads to integrative communications. just an observation by and old somewhat deteriorated sorta was once .... still human though. regards jonathan -- =============================================================================== Jonathan Michaels PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia =========================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 18 13:54:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gw.caamora.com.au (jonath5.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.41.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0A614D9B for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 13:54:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@gw.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by gw.caamora.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA07307; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 06:54:34 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Message-ID: <19990919065433.B7264@caamora.com.au> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 06:54:33 +1000 From: jonathan michaels To: Don Hansford , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: whoops! Mail-Followup-To: Don Hansford , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990918082323.15419.rocketmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com> <001e01bf0163$1bc2bb00$732137cb@igor> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <001e01bf0163$1bc2bb00$732137cb@igor>; from Don Hansford on Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 09:19:34AM +1000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD gw.caamora.com.au 2.2.7-RELEASE i386 X-Mood: i'm alive, if it counts Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 09:19:34AM +1000, Don Hansford wrote: > I ain't no english major, either, but I was once an Australian Sergeant, > does that count?? now that depends on wether you were army, navy or airforce .. sorta grin another australian ... ummm whats this world coming to ? regards jonathan -- =============================================================================== Jonathan Michaels PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia =========================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 18 14: 0:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu (kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.8.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D3471513F for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:00:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ba793@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu) Received: (ba793@localhost) by kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.8.6+cwru/CWRU-2.5-bsdi) id RAA02102; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:00:16 -0400 (EDT) (from ba793) Message-Id: <199909182100.RAA02102@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:00:16 -0400 (EDT) From: ba793@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamid Dastkar) To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: File systems Reply-To: ba793@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamid Dastkar) X-No-Archive: yes Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Reply to message from jschultz@home.com of Sat, 18 Sep > >I was just wondering what all the different file systems are used for and >what they stand for. This is what I have know (or do not know) so far: > >ufs - ?universal? file system, basic file system for unix >mfs - memory file system, a file system created in memory(RAM) thus very >fast >nfs - network file system, a file system for networking, allows for remote >system to mount it as a local file system >ffs - fast file system - uummm its fast :) >Are there any others avaible? AFS VFS AdvFS LFS >Also I have the all my file system mounted by ufs(default?), can I switch >current file system to others. Specifically I wanted to use nfs so i can >mount a remote file system to me local one. I have three FreeBSD(3.2) >machines(PC, Laprop, and a Natd/gateway machine) > >Thanks > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 18 14:58: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from access.mbnet.mb.ca (access.mbnet.mb.ca [204.112.54.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89A814FD5 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:58:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jerwiebe@canada.com) Received: from jer (userBc039.videon.wave.ca [204.112.134.59]) by access.mbnet.mb.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA05722 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:58:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeremy Wiebe" To: Subject: RE: File systems Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:56:10 -0500 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <199909182100.RAA02102@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To the filesystem list we could also add a bunch more from other OS's. For instance Linux's ext2fs, MSDOS's FAT and FAT32, BeOS's Befs, NT's NTFS. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe most major operating systems have their own filesystem. Of course each one has it's pro's and con's, but that is way out of my league. ---------------------- Jeremy Wiebe jerwiebe@canada.com icq: 4945359 Reply to message from jschultz@home.com of Sat, 18 Sep > >I was just wondering what all the different file systems are used for and >what they stand for. This is what I have know (or do not know) so far: > >ufs - ?universal? file system, basic file system for unix >mfs - memory file system, a file system created in memory(RAM) thus very >fast >nfs - network file system, a file system for networking, allows for remote >system to mount it as a local file system >ffs - fast file system - uummm its fast :) >Are there any others avaible? AFS VFS AdvFS LFS [--snip--] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 18 16:15:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F65150C3 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:15:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-122-st.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.122]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA17717 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 09:24:24 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <001501bf01c7$707070c0$7a2137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" To: References: <37E318EE.75F915AF@ionet.net> <19990919010731.D14607@welearn.com.au> Subject: Re: Why the list then? Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 21:17:45 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Re: the skirt - can I have a photo when you get it? Perhaps someone can help with this request....... When I was first looking at FBSD, I browsed all over the place, following many links hither and yon, and one that I found had an article about setting up a Users Group. Since I was doing the search on a Windoze machine, I have had to reinstall since, and, naturally, lost all the bookmarks I had so assiduously collected. If anyone has the address for the above, could you please send it to me? Regards Igor Difference between computers & air-conditioners? Not much, neither work well when you open windows! ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Blake Subject: Re: Why the list then? > Hmph. I want a full length black skirt with little daemons all over it! > Maybe they'll get them in one day... I can dream, can't I? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 18 16:25:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA4E15266 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:25:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-122-st.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.122]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA17797 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 09:34:31 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <002f01bf01c8$d950c760$7a2137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" To: References: <19990918082323.15419.rocketmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com> <001e01bf0163$1bc2bb00$732137cb@igor> <19990919065433.B7264@caamora.com.au> Subject: Re: whoops! Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 21:27:51 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, my knees and elbows are giving out on me nowadays, so I guess it must have been Army ;-)) Bloody Aussies are everywhere, aren't we?? Regards Igor Difference between computers & air-conditioners? Not much, neither work well when you open windows! ----- Original Message ----- From: jonathan michaels To: Don Hansford ; Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 6:54 AM Subject: Re: whoops! > On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 09:19:34AM +1000, Don Hansford wrote: > > > I ain't no english major, either, but I was once an Australian Sergeant, > > does that count?? > > now that depends on wether you were army, navy or airforce .. > > sorta grin > > another australian ... ummm whats this world coming to ? > > regards > > jonathan > > -- > ============================================================================ === > Jonathan Michaels > PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia > =========================================================== > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 18 17: 6:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.radiks.net (mail.radiks.net [205.138.126.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2141114D35 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:06:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johnmxl@radiks.net) Received: from radiks.net (dsp-435-omaha.radiks.net [208.154.158.193]) by mail.radiks.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA25368 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:05:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37E428F7.5C2A18@radiks.net> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:06:15 -0500 From: John Amdor III Reply-To: johnmxl@radiks.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd, newbies" Subject: A Positive Story (LONG!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All! After a pretty dismal week, both at work and here on the list, I thought I'd post a success story. I've been interested in FreeBSD for a couple of years after a recommendation from a friend. I bought The Book and 2.2.5 CDs but didn't have the hardware to run it (the wife didn't want to give up her Windows machine). This past year the IRS relented and gave us some of our money back so we bought a new Whiz-Bang Win 98 machine for her to play games on and I confiscated the 486DX2-66 that had been our home machine. I tried to share the 850MB HD with DOS/Win 3.11 and FreeBSD but couldn't figure out how to get by the disk overlay. So I threw caution to the winds, zipped up all of the DOS and Windows files, copied them to the Win 98 machine and nuked the 850 and made it a dedicated FreeBSD machine. The install went fine, finding everything on the machine that was supported in the GENERIC kernel. I took the plunge, loaded the sources and built a new kernel, adding my sound card and taking out everything I didn't need. That was a couple of months ago. The only time this machine gets shut down now is during storms. I have X set up, and am trying various applications like Netscape. About this same time I started working with a local public library to set up a group of donated 486s to share an internet connection so that library patrons could surf. Originally we used a commercial product but it kept crashing. It got to the point that it would crash as soon as the first workstation made a request for a web page. We figured that part of the problem was trying to run Win 95 on old boxes, so I decided to try and set up a box using FreeBSD and User PPP to serve as our gateway computer. Since the machine I was installing on didn't have a CD-ROM drive but did have a network card, I decided to try installing via NFS from the CD-ROM drive on the 486DX2. After figuring out that I had to make my NIC conform to FreeBSD, not the other way around, the install via NFS went off without a hitch. I built a kernel on that machine, too. It's a barebones Compaq 486/33, so I didn't need the extra stuff in the GENERIC kernel. After some fits and starts caused by a malfunctioning external modem, I've got the box running in -alias mode. It's not fast using a 33K6 modem, but we get decent enough thru-put for Hotmail and Yahoo! using 3 user workstations. The library staff loves it because it works - uptime in the two or three weeks in use is better than in almost 6 months of using the commercial product. They also love it because they aren't expected to do anything to it. It doesn't even get shut down at night. In fact, they don't even have a login. I'm working on getting my Dad interested in FreeBSD...he is a DOS diehard - the only thing wrong with Windoze is doesn't use a command-line interface :) I gave him the new users tutorial and set up a login for him on the library box. About the only frustrating thing about setting up the library box was getting the configuration files for PPP set up. Of course it was made more difficult by a modem that kept dying... I built and installed the newest PPP version, then used the script from the "Lazy and Hopeless" site. Later I figured out that the script had a couple of problems in it...once those were corrected PPP works fine. I guess this turned into more of a ramble than I had intended...oh well, it was good to tell the story. Hopefully it encourages someone else to try (or try again) FreeBSD. Later... John Amdor johnmxl@radiks.net "If at first you don't succeed, try Management!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 18 17:39:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1798B14DD1 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:39:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id KAA97538; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 10:09:30 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 10:09:30 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Doug Cc: Marty Poulin , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /dev entries for NIC's Message-ID: <19990919100929.R55065@freebie.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Doug on Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 04:52:50PM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 17 September 1999 at 16:52:50 -0700, Doug wrote: > On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Marty Poulin wrote: > >> >> On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Doug wrote: >> >>> In a previous post I mentioned that the lack of a device entry in >>> /dev for an ethernet card might be a symptom of trouble. Someone was kind >>> enough to mention to me off list that not only is it not a sign of >>> trouble, but NIC's (Network Interface Cards) never have /dev entries. :) >>> My apologies for any confusion caused. >> >> If I can add $0.02 - this is precisely why the charter for this list >> doesn't want people to ask questions here. > > No, it isn't actually. The "reasons" for not wanting people to ask > questions here revolve entirely around other issues. The reason the charter doesn't want people to ask questions here is because we already have a mailing list for questions. There are several reasons to want to keep questions in -questions: 1. More people see the results. This helps the lurkers who don't want to ask questions, but want to learn from the replies to others. 2. As you point out, there is more peer review. Although it happens that answers on -questions are wrong, they're less likely to stay that way than on -newbies. 3. There are also people on -questions, like myself, who answer questions there but read -newbies only now and again. I'm sure you've been told that before; it would be nice if you'd play the game. >> I can understand wanting to help, but the best way to help someone in a >> situation like this is to point them to -questions where they can expect a >> more experienced level of support. > > A) I'm hardly what you'd call a new user. You're new enough to send out a wrong answer to the wrong group. > B) My original post DID tell the user to direct his questions to > -questions. Fine, but it should have left it at that. > C) What I said in my post was that the absence of the /dev entry > *may* represent a problem, but that he should really follow up on > that in -questions because I was not familiar enough with the issue > to give him a confident answer. My purpose in providing a > clarification was to help make sure that no one was misled by my > misplaced apprehensions. Your intention may have been to provide a clarification, but in fact it confused matters. > Lately this list has been turning into one pissing contest > after another, and the whole tone of it is entirely inappropriate. Judging by this message, I'd say you're obviously a contributor. If you're concerned about the list becoming a pissing match, don't join in. > The purpose of this list is to provide support and encouragement to > new users, not to give people a chance to pound one another over the > head with their whopping months of experience. Well, it's for encouragement, anyway. "Support" can mean different things, and at least one aspect is the province of -questions. > My suggestion is that if you can't find better things to do with > your time than to publicly criticize people who actually are > helping, simply refrain from posting till you can. Good idea! I didn't see anything objectionable in Marty's message, but I had my doubts about yours. How about doing it? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 18 20: 7:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt014nb6.san.rr.com (dt014nb6.san.rr.com [24.30.129.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC9914D9B for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:07:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt014nb6.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02431; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:09:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <37E45378.B0311011@gorean.org> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:07:36 -0700 From: Doug Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /dev entries for NIC's References: <19990919100929.R55065@freebie.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm snipping most of your post because I don't think it adds anything to the discussion. However there are a couple of things I wanted to mention. Greg Lehey wrote: > > On Friday, 17 September 1999 at 16:52:50 -0700, Doug wrote: > > B) My original post DID tell the user to direct his questions to > > -questions. > > Fine, but it should have left it at that. > > Lately this list has been turning into one pissing contest > > after another, and the whole tone of it is entirely inappropriate. > > Judging by this message, I'd say you're obviously a contributor. If > you're concerned about the list becoming a pissing match, don't join > in. > > > The purpose of this list is to provide support and encouragement to > > new users, not to give people a chance to pound one another over the > > head with their whopping months of experience. > > Well, it's for encouragement, anyway. "Support" can mean different > things, and at least one aspect is the province of -questions. Yes, I realized that "support" was a poor choice of words after I sent the post. > > My suggestion is that if you can't find better things to do with > > your time than to publicly criticize people who actually are > > helping, simply refrain from posting till you can. > > Good idea! I didn't see anything objectionable in Marty's message, > but I had my doubts about yours. I find the same thing objectionable about Marty's post that I do about yours. Namely that you both are judging something entirely out of context. The original post was so poorly written that merely telling the user to forward his post to -questions would have resulted in more frustration for him, and he was already at the end of his rope. In my attempt to instruct him on what he should include in his post to -questions I probably provided more "answers" than were strictly necessary, but I didn't see the point in browbeating someone who was ready to give up on freebsd with the fact that he sent his letter to the "wrong" list. You may recall that this was one of my objections to starting the -newbies list in the first place. If I were someone coming to freebsd for the first time and you asked me where the best place to ask a question was the first thing I'd look for would be a new users list. If my first experience with that list was, "*whap whap whap* Don't ask questions here!" I'd think twice about asking the question in the first place. As it was the poor guy got flamed to death due to the tone of his message, and the fact that he dared mention microsoft. Without violating his confidence I will mention briefly that he was kind enough to send me a private "thank you" message expressing his appreciation for my being one of the few people who actually dealt with the problems he had at hand instead of criticizing him for how he posted. You and I have had a few pleasant exchanges in the past Greg, so I'm willing to write this business off to you being in a bad mood, or something equally inconsequential. I did find it ironic however that you chose to comment publicly on my request to limit the amount of public criticism on the list... *chuckle* Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 18 20:12:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A51814D9B for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:12:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id MAA98630; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:42:35 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:42:35 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Don Hansford Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: User groups (was: Why the list then?) Message-ID: <19990919124235.G55065@freebie.lemis.com> References: <37E318EE.75F915AF@ionet.net> <19990919010731.D14607@welearn.com.au> <001501bf01c7$707070c0$7a2137cb@igor> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <001501bf01c7$707070c0$7a2137cb@igor>; from Don Hansford on Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 09:17:45PM +1000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday, 18 September 1999 at 21:17:45 +1000, Don Hansford wrote: > > Perhaps someone can help with this request....... > When I was first looking at FBSD, I browsed all over the place, following > many links hither and yon, and one that I found had an article about setting > up a Users Group. Since I was doing the search on a Windoze machine, I have > had to reinstall since, and, naturally, lost all the bookmarks I had so > assiduously collected. > If anyone has the address for the above, could you please send it to me? I don't know of any articles, but if you start one up, please let me know, and I'll put it in the FreeBSD web page (http://www.freebsd.org/support.html#user). Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message