From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 24 8:38: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5A314C9C for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 08:38:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from walterr@bellatlantic.net) Received: from bellatlantic.net (adsl-151-202-19-237.bellatlantic.net [151.202.19.237]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05436; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <381327DD.A14CBBEC@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:38:05 -0400 From: Tony Rentschler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.36 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: VPN with PPTP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm trying to set up a pptpclient (from the ports) on my FreeBSD 3.3 machine at home so I can connect to my company's VPN through my ISP, which is BellAtlantic and which I access through an ADSL line. I've got a static IP address and my machine is set up accordingly to connect to BA on xl0, my 3COM NIC. The VPN at work server is running Windows NT. I can get this to work from Windows98 (my machine is dual-boot). I've looked at the ppp.conf sample files, and the pptpclient sample files, and, believe me, I've scoured deja.com for clues, but I just can't seem to get my setup to work. Who's coming in to a Windows-hosted VPN from a FreeBSD box over an ADSL or cable-modem? Can you help? Thanks, Tony To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 24 14:40:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.iafrica.com (smtp03.mweb.co.za [196.2.134.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6019715121 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 14:40:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dugg@iafrica.com) Received: from pta-dial-196-2-20-91.mweb.co.za ([196.2.20.91] helo=iafrica.com) by smtp03.iafrica.com with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1) id 11fVN8-0007B1-00; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:40:15 +0200 Message-ID: <38134401.B3A696A5@iafrica.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:38:09 +0200 From: Douglas Ulyate X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , Jeff Poole Subject: Re: X Server Problem - SOLVED References: <380E1EC9.95209954@iafrica.com> <86iu41vhpl.fsf@localhost.hell.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Well, technically, it hasn't been solved, because all I did was reinstall X, and chose KDE as the window manager. Actually, I had KDE originally, but with all the problems decided to try something else. According to their, Enlightenment doesn't yet have a file manager yet, which I like having. I would like to thank everyone who tried to help me solve this problem, especially Giorgos Keramidas and Jeff Poole. I still have no idea what was looking for that linux loaders, but it isn't anymore. Douglas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 25 16:10:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from trill.hh.se (trill.hh.se [194.47.5.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5518C151A4 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:10:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from u98jobj@stud.hh.se) Received: from gs177 (klart@gs177.gsten.hh.se [194.47.16.177]) by trill.hh.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA24560 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 01:07:33 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000d01bf1f3e$6022f3c0$b1102fc2@gsten.hh.se> From: =?iso-8859-1?B?Sm9lbCBCavZyaw==?= To: Subject: easy to use editor and CVSUP Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 01:12:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This isn't really for -questions so I'm trying it here. I installed 3.2 RELEASE a while back since I'm going to put up a server. Everything was just dandy and I used emacs under X as my primary editor. It's now time to setup the server which will be managed through SSH and = nothing else. the install went fine and I went on to install Emacs since I'm not = really happy about using vi. Emacs went on to install gmake and the on to Xfree86, something I really = don't want since the server won't even have a monitor attached to it. So my question is: Is there any easy to use editor that doesn't require = Xfree86? something along the lines of emacs or the good old edit in = MS-DOS... Second question is: Can I go directly on to the make world after CVSUP has successfully = finished? Best regards Joel Bj=F6rk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 25 16:19: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from copland.udel.edu (copland.udel.edu [128.175.13.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB7714BD3 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:18:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from papalia@UDel.Edu) Received: from morgaine.avalon.com (host75-157.student.udel.edu [128.175.75.157]) by copland.udel.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA20462; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 19:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19991025191740.0093ed60@mail.udel.edu> X-Sender: papalia@mail.udel.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 19:18:55 -0400 To: Joel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rkZyaw?= == , From: John Subject: Re: easy to use editor and CVSUP In-Reply-To: <000d01bf1f3e$6022f3c0$b1102fc2@gsten.hh.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Maybe try checking out pico? As far as I know in order to install pico, you need to install pine (from the mail ports). While causing you to install another mail program, it does give you simple interface instructions at the bottom of the screen.=20 --John >This isn't really for -questions so I'm trying it here. > >I installed 3.2 RELEASE a while back since I'm going to put up a server. >Everything was just dandy and I used emacs under X as my primary editor. > >It's now time to setup the server which will be managed through SSH and=20 >nothing else. >the install went fine and I went on to install Emacs since I'm not really= =20 >happy about using vi. >Emacs went on to install gmake and the on to Xfree86, something I really=20 >don't want since the server won't even have a monitor attached to it. >So my question is: Is there any easy to use editor that doesn't require=20 >Xfree86? something along the lines of emacs or the good old edit in= MS-DOS... > >Second question is: > >Can I go directly on to the make world after CVSUP has successfully= finished? > >Best regards > >Joel Bj=F6rk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 25 19:23:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sentry.granch.ru (sentry.granch.ru [212.20.5.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAFB14DEA for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 19:23:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shelton@sentry.granch.ru) Received: (from shelton@localhost) by sentry.granch.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14196; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:23:05 +0700 (NOVST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <000d01bf1f3e$6022f3c0$b1102fc2@gsten.hh.se> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:23:05 +0700 (NOVST) Organization: Granch Ltd. From: "Rashid N. Achilov" To: =?iso-8859-1?B?Sm9lbCBCavZyaw==?= Subject: RE: easy to use editor and CVSUP Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > So my question is: Is there any easy to use editor that doesn't require Xfree86? something along the lines of emacs > or the good old edit in MS-DOS... I think, ee is good editor. In my ordynary work I don't use ee, but at fresh installed FreeBSD it's good. > Can I go directly on to the make world after CVSUP has successfully finished? Yes. --- With Best Regards. Rashid N. Achilov (RNA1-RIPE), Cert. ID: 28514, Granch Ltd. lead engineer e-mail: achilov@granch.ru, tel (383-2) 24-2363 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 26 6:53:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD9714CB7 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 06:53:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id GAA25678; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 06:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 06:53:22 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199910261353.GAA25678@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: shelton@sentry.granch.ru, u98jobj@stud.hh.se Subject: RE: easy to use editor and CVSUP Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:23:05 +0700 (NOVST) >From: "Rashid N. Achilov" >> So my question is: Is there any easy to use editor that doesn't require Xfree86? something along the lines of emacs >> or the good old edit in MS-DOS... >I think, ee is good editor. In my ordynary work I don't use ee, but at fresh installed FreeBSD it's good. Determining what aspects of an editor are good vs. bad is an extremely subjective matter. It is possible to use Emacs without an X Window display. I have no idea what "good old edit in MS-DOS" is/was like. I tend to use "vi" because I'm used to it -- enough that I find ee extremely counterintuitive and confusing. One of my colleagues pointed out "vim" to me, and I've started poking around with it. There are over 50 entries in /usr/ports/editors; culling variant versions, that makes on the order of 40 or so fairly distinct editors at hand. Then there are ed, sed, ex, and vi that are distributed with the system. And pico is part of the "pine" package. Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 26 7:14: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bologna.nettuno.it (bologna.nettuno.it [193.43.2.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478AF14E33 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 07:13:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bigio@comune.jesi.ancona.it) Received: from plutone.jesi.nettuno.it (gcw02.jesi.nettuno.it [193.207.7.243]) by bologna.nettuno.it (8.9.3/8.9.3/NETTuno 3.3) with SMTP id QAA01889; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:13:47 +0200 (MDT) From: Giò Reply-To: bigio@comune.jesi.ancona.it To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Vim Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:09:45 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99102616113601.00352@plutone.jesi.nettuno.it> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How could I make syntax highlighting with Vim (using the .vim macros) ? Thanks and bye Gio' --------------------------------------------------------------------- Se vuoi ricevere *GRATIS* una copia di INTERNET SERVICE NETWORK Monitoraggio dei servizi Internet nella realta' economica marchigiana *partecipa* all'indagine '99 - http://www.camerawork.it/isnet --------------------------------------------------------------------- Giovanni Bechis mailto:bigio@comune.jesi.ancona.it ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 26 9: 0: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost.visualedge.com (visualedge.com [207.139.24.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9ACB114E98 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:00:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from martinm@visualedge.com) Received: from pony by vedge with SMTP (8.6.11/) id LAA16686; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:56:57 -0400 Message-ID: <002201bf1fcb$4d7e53d0$a600a8c0@visualedge.com> From: "Martin Mactaggart" To: "FreeBSD Newbies" , "David Wolfskill" References: <199910261353.GAA25678@pau-amma.whistle.com> Subject: Re: easy to use editor and CVSUP Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:00:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org there's also mcedit, but I don't know if it's around for FreeBSD... You have the linux emulation stuff you can download it from redhat in one form or another... It's basically like ms-dos's edit.com, but with syntax highlighting. vi, IMHO, is pure evil... It screams "I am line editor going through an identity crisis!!!" at me every time I use it; if I am going to learning different commands and be switching modes and Lord knows what else, I want to have just mastered an OS, not a text editor. Just an opinion. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Wolfskill To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 9:53 AM Subject: RE: easy to use editor and CVSUP >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:23:05 +0700 (NOVST) >From: "Rashid N. Achilov" >> So my question is: Is there any easy to use editor that doesn't require Xfree86? something along the lines of emacs >> or the good old edit in MS-DOS... >I think, ee is good editor. In my ordynary work I don't use ee, but at fresh installed FreeBSD it's good. Determining what aspects of an editor are good vs. bad is an extremely subjective matter. It is possible to use Emacs without an X Window display. I have no idea what "good old edit in MS-DOS" is/was like. I tend to use "vi" because I'm used to it -- enough that I find ee extremely counterintuitive and confusing. One of my colleagues pointed out "vim" to me, and I've started poking around with it. There are over 50 entries in /usr/ports/editors; culling variant versions, that makes on the order of 40 or so fairly distinct editors at hand. Then there are ed, sed, ex, and vi that are distributed with the system. And pico is part of the "pine" package. Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 26 9: 0: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost.visualedge.com (visualedge.com [207.139.24.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CF0EB14EA6 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:00:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from martinm@visualedge.com) Received: from pony by vedge with SMTP (8.6.11/) id LAA16694; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:57:10 -0400 Message-ID: <002301bf1fcb$4fbfdf60$a600a8c0@visualedge.com> From: "Martin Mactaggart" To: "FreeBSD Newbies" References: <199910261353.GAA25678@pau-amma.whistle.com> Subject: Re: easy to use editor and CVSUP Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:01:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org there's also mcedit, but I don't know if it's around for FreeBSD... You have the linux emulation stuff you can download it from redhat in one form or another... It's basically like ms-dos's edit.com, but with syntax highlighting. vi, IMHO, is pure evil... It screams "I am line editor going through an identity crisis!!!" at me every time I use it; if I am going to learning different commands and be switching modes and Lord knows what else, I want to have just mastered an OS, not a text editor. Just an opinion. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Wolfskill To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 9:53 AM Subject: RE: easy to use editor and CVSUP >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:23:05 +0700 (NOVST) >From: "Rashid N. Achilov" >> So my question is: Is there any easy to use editor that doesn't require Xfree86? something along the lines of emacs >> or the good old edit in MS-DOS... >I think, ee is good editor. In my ordynary work I don't use ee, but at fresh installed FreeBSD it's good. Determining what aspects of an editor are good vs. bad is an extremely subjective matter. It is possible to use Emacs without an X Window display. I have no idea what "good old edit in MS-DOS" is/was like. I tend to use "vi" because I'm used to it -- enough that I find ee extremely counterintuitive and confusing. One of my colleagues pointed out "vim" to me, and I've started poking around with it. There are over 50 entries in /usr/ports/editors; culling variant versions, that makes on the order of 40 or so fairly distinct editors at hand. Then there are ed, sed, ex, and vi that are distributed with the system. And pico is part of the "pine" package. Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 26 17:52:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (athserv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E9C814D8B for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:52:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a003.otenet.gr [195.167.115.3]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA07142 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 03:52:34 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (qmail 93590 invoked by uid 1001); 25 Oct 1999 23:54:27 -0000 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: easy to use editor and CVSUP References: <000d01bf1f3e$6022f3c0$b1102fc2@gsten.hh.se> From: Giorgos Keramidas Date: 26 Oct 1999 02:54:26 +0300 In-Reply-To: Joel Björk's message of "Tue, 26 Oct 1999 01:12:14 +0200" Message-ID: <86904rov2l.fsf@localhost.hell.gr> Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.1 - "20 Minutes to Nikko" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joel Björk writes: > This isn't really for -questions so I'm trying it here. > > I installed 3.2 RELEASE a while back since I'm going to put up a server. > Everything was just dandy and I used emacs under X as my primary editor. > > It's now time to setup the server which will be managed through SSH and > nothing else. The install went fine and I went on to install Emacs since > I'm not really happy about using vi. Perhaps it's another of those religious-war things, but I have been using `joe' as the primary editor on a site that is accessed only through ssh in our university campus. Joe is small enough to cause you no head-aches when installing, it's got a simple configuration file, and its' `C-k X' keystrokes might make you Emacs user feel a bit like home. -- Giorgos Keramidas, "What we have to learn to do, we learn by doing." [Aristotle] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 28 2:12:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bologna.nettuno.it (bologna.nettuno.it [193.43.2.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58E014FB9 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 02:12:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bigio@comune.jesi.ancona.it) Received: from plutone.jesi.nettuno.it (gcw02.jesi.nettuno.it [193.207.7.243]) by bologna.nettuno.it (8.9.3/8.9.3/NETTuno 3.3) with SMTP id LAA09284 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:12:51 +0200 (MDT) From: Giò Reply-To: bigio@comune.jesi.ancona.it To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:10:04 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99102811103800.00358@plutone.jesi.nettuno.it> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 28 2:14:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bologna.nettuno.it (bologna.nettuno.it [193.43.2.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60DE414EED for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 02:14:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bigio@comune.jesi.ancona.it) Received: from plutone.jesi.nettuno.it (gcw02.jesi.nettuno.it [193.207.7.243]) by bologna.nettuno.it (8.9.3/8.9.3/NETTuno 3.3) with SMTP id LAA18968 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:14:07 +0200 (MDT) From: Giò Reply-To: bigio@comune.jesi.ancona.it To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:11:40 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99102811115402.00358@plutone.jesi.nettuno.it> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe freebsd-newbies To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 28 4:43:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B788314D74 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 04:43:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from max.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p167.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.167]) by f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA130222 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:43:22 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by max.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA00893 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:41:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:41:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@max.alleswirdgelber To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Flash (Macromediaaaa) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, FBSD is mostly a server OS, anyway, for all those Netscape fans: it was part of the Win95 4.5 Netscape, what is the situation with FBSD ? Its not an open standard IMHO, but I remember darkly from reading c't in my supermarket, that there are Editors for the format for Linux now. Is there something like that for our dear and noble OS too or how should I proceed if I am interested in creating Flash-things ? Heiko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 29 10:39:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (edtnps04.telusplanet.net [198.161.157.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68D1152DA for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:39:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swheeler@altech.ab.ca) Received: from ftmmpx05-port-32.agt.net ([161.184.225.55]:2997 "HELO shannon-s") by smtp1.telusplanet.net with SMTP id ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:39:13 -0600 Message-ID: <029201bf2234$fda73220$0307070a@shannon-s> From: "Shannon Wheeler" To: Subject: routing, win95, etc Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:42:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I hope this is the right place for this... I have a LAN of about 20 PCs right now. WinNT 4.0SP3 PDC server LAN address 10.7.7.1, dynamic IP dial-up internet connection. running Wingate 2.1d proxy server to provide internet access to the LAN. Wingate is also the DHCP server assigning the LAN clients addresses in the 10.7.7.x range Several Win98, Win95 and WFW systems. All can access 'standard' internet services without problem (web, mail, news). So far, so good. It's been like this for a couple of years. I have a spare 486 in my office for me to learn about FreeBSD on. Actually, my intent is to eventually run an SQL server of some sort on there. If I can learn about Samba, X, KDE, and a few other things at the same time then that's great. However, I don't want to run another cable from my office to the nearest hub nor am I likely to be able to buy one. So what I've done is put an additional NIC in my Win95 system and a NIC in the BSD box, assigned them 10.7.1.1 (win95) and 10.7.1.2 (BSD). These two systems can see each other fine and my Win95 system can even see the Samba shares I've set up. What I don't get is how to make the BSD box see through the Win95 box to the rest of the network. I've played alot with 'route add' but haven't found a combination that works. I am able to ping 10.7.7.3 from the BSD box but not past there to 10.7.7.x. I don't know if I'm unable to do it just because I apparently don't understand the route command(s) (I thought I did before I ever needed to use it ;-) ) or is my major mistake a little further up with the IP address assignments? Should this additional network be on 10.7.7? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ While I'm at it, I have another two Win95 systems that are on the same physical 10.7.7 network that I'd like to logically seperate but still allow them to see the proxy server at 10.7.7.1. I'd like those systems to be on something like 10.7.2.x so that by default, the systems on 10.7.7 would not see them and vice versa but like I said, they should see the proxy server (I know I could do this by configuring an extra IP address on the NIC in the NT server but that would probably require a reboot - so far I get away with 'only' two reboots a year on that machine). Anybody here know enough about NT/95 to know how to accomplish that? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ As I said, my eventual intention is to run an SQL server on the BSD system. It can't be necessary to run something like Samba so the Windows systems see the BSD system for this is it? Or is the alternative to that running some other protocol on the Windows systems? Not that I have anything against Samba, I just thought there was some kind of database protocol whereby front-ends like MS-Access could access a database on a unix system without actual drive shares or anything. I'm almost certain... thanks, Shannon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 29 11: 2:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419C414EDD for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:02:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id LAA41393; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:02:24 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199910291802.LAA41393@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, swheeler@altech.ab.ca Subject: Re: routing, win95, etc In-Reply-To: <029201bf2234$fda73220$0307070a@shannon-s> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From: "Shannon Wheeler" >Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:42:33 -0600 >What I don't get is how to make the BSD box see through the Win95 box to the >rest of the network. I've played alot with 'route add' but haven't found a >combination that works. I am able to ping 10.7.7.3 from the BSD box but not >past there to 10.7.7.x. >I don't know if I'm unable to do it just because I apparently don't >understand the route command(s) (I thought I did before I ever needed to use >it ;-) ) or is my major mistake a little further up with the IP address >assignments? Should this additional network be on 10.7.7? The dual-homed box would thus be a router; in addition to making its directly-reachable interface the default router for the FreeBSD box, you would also need to tell the dual-homed box to route packets between the interfaces. I have no clue how to do that except with a stand-alone router or with a UNIX box, so I can't really help you there.... It's *possible* that others in the FreeBSD community (in freebsd-questions, for example) may be able to help, but it's not a FreeBSD issue -- it's a Win95 issue (as far as I can tell). Were you using the FreeBSD box as the router, that would be fairly straightforward (and a matter for -questions, if the material at http://www.freebsd.org/ didn't address the mater adequately). Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 29 11:53: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (edtnps04.telusplanet.net [198.161.157.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ACBF14CB8 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:52:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swheeler@altech.ab.ca) Received: from ftmmpx04-port-29.agt.net ([161.184.224.237]:3279 "HELO shannon-s") by smtp1.telusplanet.net with SMTP id ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:52:30 -0600 Message-ID: <030701bf223f$3a921740$0307070a@shannon-s> From: "Shannon Wheeler" To: Subject: Re: routing, win95, etc Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:49:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yeah, I figured it was more of a Win95 question but I also figured I would be liklier to find a higher level of expertise here than in most WinXX groups. I also figured there are quite likely some unix experts who also know a thing or two about WinXX networking. Assume the FreeBSD box was the dual-homed unit. What would be the route command to enable the routing from the isolated 10.7.1 network to the main 10.7.7 net? Are you saying that as it is, something has to be done on the BSD box to make the directly reachable interface the default router? Or does that have to be done on the Win95 box as well? thanks again, that's (probably) the last I'll ask about it here. Shannon -----Original Message----- From: David Wolfskill Date: October 29, 1999 12:11 PM >>From: "Shannon Wheeler" >>Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:42:33 -0600 > >>What I don't get is how to make the BSD box see through the Win95 box to the >>rest of the network. I've played alot with 'route add' but haven't found a >>combination that works. I am able to ping 10.7.7.3 from the BSD box but not >>past there to 10.7.7.x. > >>I don't know if I'm unable to do it just because I apparently don't >>understand the route command(s) (I thought I did before I ever needed to use >>it ;-) ) or is my major mistake a little further up with the IP address >>assignments? Should this additional network be on 10.7.7? > >The dual-homed box would thus be a router; in addition to making its >directly-reachable interface the default router for the FreeBSD box, you >would also need to tell the dual-homed box to route packets between the >interfaces. I have no clue how to do that except with a stand-alone >router or with a UNIX box, so I can't really help you there.... > >It's *possible* that others in the FreeBSD community (in >freebsd-questions, for example) may be able to help, but it's not a >FreeBSD issue -- it's a Win95 issue (as far as I can tell). > >Were you using the FreeBSD box as the router, that would be fairly >straightforward (and a matter for -questions, if the material at >http://www.freebsd.org/ didn't address the mater adequately). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 29 12: 3:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FEA115731 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:03:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id MAA41759; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:03:36 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199910291903.MAA41759@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, swheeler@altech.ab.ca Subject: Re: routing, win95, etc In-Reply-To: <030701bf223f$3a921740$0307070a@shannon-s> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From: "Shannon Wheeler" >Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:49:59 -0600 >Yeah, I figured it was more of a Win95 question but I also figured I would >be liklier to find a higher level of expertise here than in most WinXX >groups. I also figured there are quite likely some unix experts who also >know a thing or two about WinXX networking. > :-} Maybe so, but the best I could do as far as an approach to make the hardware on which the Win95 box is running "work" is to install FreeBSD on it. :-) >Assume the FreeBSD box was the dual-homed unit. What would be the route >command to enable the routing from the isolated 10.7.1 network to the main >10.7.7 net? Assuming you're using 255.255.255.0 netmasks on both sides, so that these really are separate networks (vs. a bridged /16, for examaple), you could run routed on the FreeBSD box (which will happen by default if there are 2 or more interfaces at startup, if I recall). But as long as the one net is just the single segment, you don't even need to do that -- the FreeBSD box is clever enough to figure out that 10.7.1.0/24 is reachable from the one interface; merely set some other device on the 10.7.7.0/24 net up as the FreeBSD box's default router. >Are you saying that as it is, something has to be done on the BSD box to >make the directly reachable interface the default router? Or does that have >to be done on the Win95 box as well? Regardless, the dual-homed box needs to route packets between the interfaces. FreeBSD does this (Oh -- you might want to define "GATEWAY" in the kernel). Dunno about Win*. Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 29 13:55: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (athserv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D232150FA for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:54:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a068.otenet.gr [195.167.115.68]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA04292 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 23:54:59 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (qmail 15583 invoked by uid 1001); 29 Oct 1999 20:57:18 -0000 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: routing, win95, etc References: <030701bf223f$3a921740$0307070a@shannon-s> From: Giorgos Keramidas Date: 29 Oct 1999 23:57:18 +0300 In-Reply-To: "Shannon Wheeler"'s message of "Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:49:59 -0600" Message-ID: <86u2n9lwb5.fsf@localhost.hell.gr> Lines: 29 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.1 - "20 Minutes to Nikko" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Shannon Wheeler" writes: > Yeah, I figured it was more of a Win95 question but I also figured I > would be liklier to find a higher level of expertise here than in most > WinXX groups. I also figured there are quite likely some unix experts > who also know a thing or two about WinXX networking. > Not a truly logical assertion the last one. I haven't seen how the Windows networking works -- not at all -- since the last time I used something Win', Windows did not *do* internet things. And it's not like knowing about Unix networking is actually going to be of any use in the Win' world. I have tried helping a friend, but my lack of experience with Windows was really obvious. > Assume the FreeBSD box was the dual-homed unit. What would be the > route command to enable the routing from the isolated 10.7.1 network > to the main 10.7.7 net? Assuming that BSD has the address 10.7.0.1 in the internal network, then the only setting needed in Windows is to set the 'gateway' to this address. In BSD, you ought to set up ip-firewalling and packet forwarding, which is described in various places, the handbook and the faq providing some good starting points. -- Giorgos Keramidas, "What we have to learn to do, we learn by doing." [Aristotle] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 29 14:40:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from agency6.state.ky.us (agency6.state.ky.us [162.114.120.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A8C14D0A for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:40:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Shaun.Tremba@mail.state.ky.us) Received: by agency6.state.ky.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:39:40 -0400 Message-ID: <839E9B3D5B35D311A7CD00104B759479D252@agency12.state.ky.us> From: Shaun.Tremba@mail.state.ky.us To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Booting to FreeBSD Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:37:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am a newbie in every since of the word. My machine has three hard disks and I am already running 98 and NT (on separate disks,) I just got through installing FreeBSD (I think!) I booted to the first floppy kern.flp, and when prompted I inserted the second floppy mfsroot.flp. I finished the install process including a boot manager which was supposed to build everything into a boot menu, and it told it would reboot my machine. Except when I rebooted it came up with my normal boot menu (which include Microsft Windows NT and Microsoft Windows.) How do I get my machine to boot up with FreeBSD. Thanks, Shaun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 29 19:30:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7888614E22 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:30:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA82043 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 12:30:09 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 12:30:09 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199910300230.MAA82043@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Oct 30 2:21:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C6314C29 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 02:21:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from max.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p229.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.229]) by f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23542 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 11:20:51 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by max.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA00345 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 08:43:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 08:43:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@max.alleswirdgelber To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Flash (Macromediaaaa) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I wrote: > Well, FBSD is mostly a server OS, anyway, for all those Netscape fans: it > was part of the Win95 4.5 Netscape, what is the situation with FBSD ? > Its not an open standard IMHO, but I remember darkly from reading c't in > my supermarket, that there are Editors for the format for Linux now. Is > there something like that for our dear and noble OS too or how should I > proceed if I am interested in creating Flash-things ? Well, there is a netscape-plugin and a swfplayer. Tried the swfplayer, its slow on a 486, but it works. Havent found a linux editor yet....so Mac. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message