From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Nov 28 8:46:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B4C1508A for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 08:46:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rage@cyberwitch.org) Received: from localhost (rage@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22381; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 11:46:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 11:46:20 -0500 (EST) From: Rhiannon X-Sender: rage@bytor.rush.net To: artur@noo.kiev.ua Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Promotion offer In-Reply-To: <199911241859.UAA01348@noo.kiev.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org yeh its spam yu dolt, and if yur going to be sending spam to someone who is in the us, please TYPE IN ENGLISH ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ how do you know she's a witch ? * * * rage@cyberwitch.org rage@rush.net rage@free.bsdunix.net On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 artur@noo.kiev.ua wrote: > Good moning, dear web site holder! > > Today I visit Your web-site and thought "May be it > needs promotion?" I made some automatic promotion > tools and needs to improve it. > If You interesting a web advertising and promotion > You can visit http://www.terra.ee/noo/ and launch > automatic promotion by filling a form and placing > small text in Your page. First stage recommended, > it is free of charge. > > Sorry, if You will decide this is spam. My e-mail > is artur@noo.kiev.ua, this is one time offer to > e-mail from Your web page. > > Best regards Artur Frolov > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Nov 28 16: 7: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BEAA153B1 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 16:06:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jon@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA99878; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:11:09 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:11:06 +1100 From: Jonathan Michaels To: Rhiannon Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: responce to recent uce ... Message-ID: <19991129101104.A99725@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Rhiannon , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199911241859.UAA01348@noo.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Rhiannon on Sun, Nov 28, 1999 at 11:46:20AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org all, some thoughts next time the list you participate in gets an unsolicited email aka spam aka junkemail aka rubbish. sorry, i don't write as politely as sue .. On Sun, Nov 28, 1999 at 11:46:20AM -0500, Rhiannon wrote: > yeh its spam yu dolt, and if yur going to be sending spam to someone who > is in the us, please TYPE IN ENGLISH not all people speak write perfect americanised english, but this issue is secondary to the fact that your responce to the list was unwarrented, as is my own for that matter. one other small curtocy, the charter specfies, your name. by the way, if you really believed that you were responding to uce, and you responded to the originator of the uce and just cc'd to the list then you have given the spaming organisation yet annother valid and hot userid to target and resell, also added to the already high load your isp needs to contend with. the best thisg to do with uce:spam:et al is to dlete it, ignore it, read the headers and complain to the suppliers of the bandwidth being used by the spamers, send the article to some (or all) of the organisations engaged in fighting this plauge called spam. be sure to include all of the headers, well the whole envelope really and maybe the contents as well, it could be a new kid on the block type of spam containing new key triggers for the filtering gurus to work out. complaing to the list is about the most usless thing youas an individual can do, also it consumes yet more bandwidth for no gain ... well ok it may make you feel good for about 30 seconds, but next time please weight the costs, not to your isp, but to all the others in the chain. many people still have to pay by the minute and by the killobyte for thier bandwidth, its bad enought getting this sort of junk email in the forst place but to have people needlessly comment about it consumes even more resources. anyway, i've wasted enough time and bandwith, my apologies. also, i've not been known for a pleasent bedside manner so if my writing style offends you please accept my apologies. i write as i do because this is who i am. warm regards jonathan ps, my speling is as much disorganised by the dsylexia i have as it is by the neurologically damaged hands and arms. also most spelling checkers don't know how to cope with dsylex'd words. -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Nov 28 17:15:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from prserv.net (out2.prserv.net [165.87.194.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF7A1542D for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:15:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from youlgok@attglobal.net) Received: from attglobal.net ([129.37.169.19]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <19991129011548229046162me>; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 01:15:49 +0000 Message-ID: <3841D40A.99B57921@attglobal.net> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:17:00 -0500 From: youlgok@attglobal.net Reply-To: youlgok@attglobal.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Q: email set up with DHCP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a FreeBSD-3.3-stable box, which is connected to the net by DHCP. It has dynamic IP address and I don't know how to set up with mail. I can't find anything useful from Handbook. Any tips or document URL would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 30 4:29:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (law2-oe2.hotmail.com [216.32.180.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E061E151A4 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:28:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mchamhps@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 47723 invoked by uid 65534); 30 Nov 1999 12:28:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19991130122836.47722.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [171.212.212.145] From: "Mike" <****@***.com> To: Subject: You might want to know this! Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:28:02 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I wasn't aware that posting on here was so public. If you go to Hotbot and search your screen name any postings you have posted here at FreeBSD will show up. Just so everybody is aware of that before announcing to the whole world what kind of system you're running. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 30 6:42:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from msexchange.info-rapp.com (fwmail.info-rapp.com [216.94.52.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC6C158F5 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:42:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from NPouliot@rcc-canada.com) Received: by msexchange.info-rapp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:42:51 -0500 Message-ID: <9171D85A27A3D111A39A00805FBB2CFC0118A374@msexchange.info-rapp.com> From: Nic Pouliot To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:42:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nic Pouliot Systems Support Team Rapp Collins Communicade/InfoWorks (905) 848-4636 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 30 6:55:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB7C158FD for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:55:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from max.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p3.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.3]) by f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32814; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:55:35 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by max.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA00468; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:42:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:42:55 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@max.alleswirdgelber To: Mike <****@***.com> Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: You might want to know this! In-Reply-To: <19991130122836.47722.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Who cares ? > will show up. Just so everybody is aware of that before announcing to the > whole world what kind of system you're running. Marketing firms are collecting infos, so what ? The Ney Yorker had a piece about NSA, anybody seen this ? Heiko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 30 8: 4:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787F615950 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:03:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id IAA18445; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:03:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:03:18 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199911301603.IAA18445@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: ****@***.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: You might want to know this! In-Reply-To: <19991130122836.47722.qmail@hotmail.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From: "Mike" <****@***.com> >Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:28:02 -0600 > I wasn't aware that posting on here was so public. ??!? >If you go to Hotbot and search your screen name any postings you have >posted here at FreeBSD will show up. I'm not at all sure what is meant by "screen name," but that sounds like a term that folks would associate with immature individuals on a BBS. Many of us, in some sense, may well warrant the term "newbies", but there are certainly some of us who never got involved in BBSs... and there are some of us who -- chronologically, at least -- aren't of an age that one would reasonably associate with immaturity. (Just had another birthday recently.... :-) >Just so everybody is aware of that before announcing to the >whole world what kind of system you're running. Get used to it. Over in -questions, the vast bulk of queries will require that you mention significant aspects of the system configuration in order to begin to isolate the nature of whatever problem you're asking about. (Thank the oxymoronish concept of "PC standards" for this.) The "penalties" for failing to include that information range from private inquiries through public humiliation to ignoring your query altogether. (Well, the ordering there may warrant alteration, depending on your perspective at the time.) But the salient matter remains: in order for people to assist you, they need to have a clue as to what is wrong and what is likely to have contributed to it. Hiding the information does no one any good. More critical (to me) though, was that when I saw that there was a message purporting to be >From: "Mike" <****@***.com> in my mailbox, I figured it was Yet Another spam. And had begun the usual hunt for likely perpetrators (and accessories) before I realized it was merely a post from misguided individual. (I report spam (as a form of resource abuse) to the purported custodians of said resources.) So to the extent that you want to be taken seriously, I strongly recommend that you drop the silly "<****@***.com>" non-address. Cheers, david (who's in -newbies because PC hardware is twisted and bizarre) -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 30 8:38:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bendnet.com (mail.bendnet.com [199.2.205.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B2E14DD4 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:38:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from samantha@bendnet.com) Received: from bendnet.com (dahlpine.bendnet.com [199.2.205.16]) by mail.bendnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13110; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:39:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3843FF6C.70A398FE@bendnet.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:46:37 -0800 From: Samantha Dahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heiko Recktenwald Cc: Mike <****@***.com>, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: You might want to know this! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It's a little too late for me to care about something like that at this point :) Heiko Recktenwald wrote: > Who cares ? > > > will show up. Just so everybody is aware of that before announcing to the > > whole world what kind of system you're running. > > Marketing firms are collecting infos, so what ? > > The Ney Yorker had a piece about NSA, anybody seen this ? > > Heiko > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 30 18:39:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from titan.cc.wwu.edu (titan.cc.wwu.edu [140.160.240.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C7D15A54 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:39:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cockrum@cc.wwu.edu) Received: from localhost by titan.cc.wwu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA12883; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:39:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:39:10 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Allen Cockrum To: David Wolfskill Cc: ****@***.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: You might want to know this! In-Reply-To: <199911301603.IAA18445@pau-amma.whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, David Wolfskill wrote > >If you go to Hotbot and search your screen name any postings you have > >posted here at FreeBSD will show up. > > I'm not at all sure what is meant by "screen name," but that sounds like > a term that folks would associate with immature individuals on a BBS. > > Many of us, in some sense, may well warrant the term "newbies", but > there are certainly some of us who never got involved in BBSs... and > there are some of us who -- chronologically, at least -- aren't of an age > that one would reasonably associate with immaturity. After all, we all know only "immature individuals" and "malicious hackers" would ever use somthing as arcane as a BBS, or make use of a "screen name" or handle. And ceritanly only the immature would ever care about personal information being released on the internet, or computer security in general. I think that a UNIX system administrator such as yourself (as i'm sure you must be, since you put in your message footer) would certianly agree that anyone who uses a handle or screen name in a e-mail obviously has somthing to hide, and should be incarcerated for their actions immediately. Just a thought. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 30 19:32:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dgriffin.org (dgriffin.org [205.147.189.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C9F14E06 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:32:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dick@dgriffin.org) Received: from localhost (dick@localhost) by dgriffin.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA22335; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:38:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dick@dgriffin.org) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:38:05 -0500 (EST) From: Dick Griffin To: Mark Allen Cockrum Cc: David Wolfskill , ****@***.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: You might want to know this! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hark yea! Be this a flame? This this the spirit of the season? Rest yea merry gentlemen, good tidings to all. dg On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Mark Allen Cockrum wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, David Wolfskill wrote >>> >>> > >If you go to Hotbot and search your screen name any postings you have >>> > >posted here at FreeBSD will show up. >>> > >>> > I'm not at all sure what is meant by "screen name," but that sounds like >>> > a term that folks would associate with immature individuals on a BBS. >>> > >>> > Many of us, in some sense, may well warrant the term "newbies", but >>> > there are certainly some of us who never got involved in BBSs... and >>> > there are some of us who -- chronologically, at least -- aren't of an age >>> > that one would reasonably associate with immaturity. >>> >>> After all, we all know only "immature individuals" and "malicious hackers" >>> would ever use somthing as arcane as a BBS, or make use of a "screen name" >>> or handle. And ceritanly only the immature would ever care about personal >>> information being released on the internet, or computer security in >>> general. I think that a UNIX system administrator such as yourself (as >>> i'm sure you must be, since you put in your message footer) would >>> certianly agree that anyone who uses a handle or screen name in a >>> e-mail obviously has somthing to hide, and should be incarcerated for >>> their actions immediately. >>> >>> Just a thought. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>> with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message >>> Dick Griffin At Home To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 30 23:18:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f104.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3EFC214D5D for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:18:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ntvsunix@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 780 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 1999 07:18:43 -0000 Message-ID: <19991201071843.779.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 24.113.192.234 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:18:43 PST X-Originating-IP: [24.113.192.234] From: "Some Person" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Q: email set up with DHCP Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:18:43 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Why not use a Dynamic DNS Service, like www.dyndns.org? It's FREE too! :) I believe they took over from ml.org. > >I have a FreeBSD-3.3-stable box, which is connected to the net by DHCP. >It has dynamic IP >address and I don't know how to set up with mail. I can't find anything >useful from >Handbook. > >Any tips or document URL would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 1 4: 5: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from obscurity.org (obscurity.org [209.17.177.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F3F9A14D0F for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 04:04:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cengland@obscurity.org) Received: (qmail 27107 invoked by uid 1003); 1 Dec 1999 12:17:17 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Dec 1999 12:17:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 04:17:17 -0800 (PST) From: Chris England To: Mark Allen Cockrum Cc: David Wolfskill , ****@***.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: You might want to know this! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Mark Allen Cockrum wrote: > > > On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, David Wolfskill wrote > > > >If you go to Hotbot and search your screen name any postings you have > > >posted here at FreeBSD will show up. > > > > I'm not at all sure what is meant by "screen name," but that sounds like > > a term that folks would associate with immature individuals on a BBS. > > > > Many of us, in some sense, may well warrant the term "newbies", but > > there are certainly some of us who never got involved in BBSs... and > > there are some of us who -- chronologically, at least -- aren't of an age > > that one would reasonably associate with immaturity. > > After all, we all know only "immature individuals" and "malicious hackers" > would ever use somthing as arcane as a BBS, or make use of a "screen name" > or handle. And ceritanly only the immature would ever care about personal > information being released on the internet, or computer security in > general. I think that a UNIX system administrator such as yourself (as > i'm sure you must be, since you put in your message footer) would > certianly agree that anyone who uses a handle or screen name in a > e-mail obviously has somthing to hide, and should be incarcerated for > their actions immediately. > > Just a thought. > > Even though this is getting horribly off-topic, I must contibute my thoughts in response to this. Since when was a BBS ever an immature-hackerish-type-thing? I don't believe 300 baud modems were designed for future internet use, thus meaning their was other purposes for them. I've set up BBS software for charity causes, supplying Internet access to students who can not afford it and so on. Also, as far as the handle/screen-name/alias etc goes... have you ever stopped to think about the paranoia that the media pushes on the average person (who probably does not know better) as far as their personal security is concerned? Perhaps a lovely young lady who does not feel like getting a few hundred "You have a pretty name, we should get together" messages a day, or hell --- I'm sure some enjoy being called by a nickname. Cheers, -Chris England To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 1 4:36:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB19D14CFB for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 04:36:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from max.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p135.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.135]) by f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32970; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:36:17 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by max.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA00543; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:23:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:23:13 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@max.alleswirdgelber To: David Wolfskill Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: You might want to know this! In-Reply-To: <199911301603.IAA18445@pau-amma.whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ah, anyway, nice topic !! ;-) On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, David Wolfskill wrote: > david (who's in -newbies because PC hardware is twisted and bizarre) After well known flames, I subscribed to -questions. Hmmmmm......, if you have a big harddrive etc... Heiko, who still thinks questions and questions are not the same. But what wouldnt one do to get a better system... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 1 10:58:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f219.hotmail.com [216.32.181.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E99EF150CF for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:58:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lowrentgroove@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 38239 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 1999 18:58:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19991201185811.38238.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 171.65.109.125 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Dec 1999 10:58:11 PST X-Originating-IP: [171.65.109.125] Reply-To: dave@lowrent.org From: "_Lowrent _" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: You might want to know this! Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 18:58:11 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I use an alias name, or screen name so I can nail anyone who tries to send me junk snail mail. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Chris England To: Mark Allen Cockrum CC: David Wolfskill , ****@***.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: You might want to know this! Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 04:17:17 -0800 (PST) On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Mark Allen Cockrum wrote: > > > On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, David Wolfskill wrote > > > >If you go to Hotbot and search your screen name any postings you have > > >posted here at FreeBSD will show up. > > > > I'm not at all sure what is meant by "screen name," but that sounds like > > a term that folks would associate with immature individuals on a BBS. > > > > Many of us, in some sense, may well warrant the term "newbies", but > > there are certainly some of us who never got involved in BBSs... and > > there are some of us who -- chronologically, at least -- aren't of an age > > that one would reasonably associate with immaturity. > > After all, we all know only "immature individuals" and "malicious hackers" > would ever use somthing as arcane as a BBS, or make use of a "screen name" > or handle. And ceritanly only the immature would ever care about personal > information being released on the internet, or computer security in > general. I think that a UNIX system administrator such as yourself (as > i'm sure you must be, since you put in your message footer) would > certianly agree that anyone who uses a handle or screen name in a > e-mail obviously has somthing to hide, and should be incarcerated for > their actions immediately. > > Just a thought. > > Even though this is getting horribly off-topic, I must contibute my thoughts in response to this. Since when was a BBS ever an immature-hackerish-type-thing? I don't believe 300 baud modems were designed for future internet use, thus meaning their was other purposes for them. I've set up BBS software for charity causes, supplying Internet access to students who can not afford it and so on. Also, as far as the handle/screen-name/alias etc goes... have you ever stopped to think about the paranoia that the media pushes on the average person (who probably does not know better) as far as their personal security is concerned? Perhaps a lovely young lady who does not feel like getting a few hundred "You have a pretty name, we should get together" messages a day, or hell --- I'm sure some enjoy being called by a nickname. Cheers, -Chris England To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 1 11:28:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.iafrica.com (smtp03.mweb.co.za [196.2.134.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34666150B1 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:28:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dugg@iafrica.com) Received: from pta-dial-196-2-21-188.mweb.co.za ([196.2.21.188] helo=iafrica.com) by smtp03.iafrica.com with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1) for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org id 11tFNs-0008L0-00; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 21:25:51 +0200 Message-ID: <3845470A.78B614C7@iafrica.com> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 18:04:26 +0200 From: Douglas Ulyate X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: You might want to know this! References: <19991130122836.47722.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike wrote: > > I wasn't aware that posting on here was so public. If you go to Hotbot > and search your screen name any postings you have posted here at FreeBSD > will show up. Just so everybody is aware of that before announcing to the > whole world what kind of system you're running. > I dare say that some people might not even know what FreeBSD is, so what is the problem?. Even if they do, I am not embarrassed about it. Douglas -- Visit Sir Bismuth's Page: http://users.iafrica.com/d/du/dugg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 3 19:37:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532431530D for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:37:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27458 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 12:30:09 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 12:30:09 +1100 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199912040130.MAA27458@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Dec 4 15:59:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E8E18152EE for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 15:59:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yodadoa@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 9799 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Dec 1999 23:59:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19991204235951.9798.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.212.158.53] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 04 Dec 1999 15:59:51 PST Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 15:59:51 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Hessler Reply-To: geekboy@mistic.net Subject: boot disks are broke? To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i am trying to do a net install of freebsd. i looked at freebsd.org and followed the instructions. however, after in put in the mfsroot disk, it gets to a prompt, and won't let me install anything. (fyi, i have some linux background, so i'm semi-familar with prompts, and unixes.....no flames please...;-) does anyone have boot disks that they could upload, that i could try. i'm running on a pentium 133, with 72megs of ram, and i have a 1.6gig IDE drive avaliable to install on. thanks... ===== Peter Hessler __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! 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------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BF3E80.8DF2D160-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Dec 4 17:20: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D47614E9D for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:19:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from max.alleswirdgelber (root@ascend-tk-p17.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.17]) by f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA31036; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 02:19:23 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by max.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA02104; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 02:11:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 02:11:01 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@max.alleswirdgelber To: geekboy@mistic.net Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: boot disks are broke? In-Reply-To: <19991204235951.9798.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What a subject ;-) > however, after in put in the mfsroot disk, it gets to > a prompt, and won't let me install anything. (fyi, i Have you tried other floppies, did you format them yourself, even if they came "Dosformated" out of the box ? Maybe you have other problems with your hardware, but this is the first thing to think about, at least from my (few) experiences in my homelan. It took me 4 or 6 floppies the last time I did an install. And you should maybe do the fdimaging not in a windows dosbox but in real dos, if you did it this way. Maybe it helps, good luck, Heiko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Dec 4 21:59:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AB10615026 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 21:59:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yodadoa@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15769 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Dec 1999 05:59:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19991205055918.15768.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.212.158.53] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 04 Dec 1999 21:59:18 PST Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 21:59:18 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Hessler Reply-To: geekboy@mistic.net Subject: no more broken boot disks...=) To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org thanks heiko, real dos fixed the fdimage thing......next question: how do i do a scandisk with a freebsd boot disk set? and is there a mac emulator for freebsd?(i can get the roms, and the os, if need be) ===== Peter Hessler __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message