From owner-freebsd-small Sun Feb 7 14:39:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26874 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 14:39:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles235.castles.com [208.214.165.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26865 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 14:39:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07961; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 14:35:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199902072235.OAA07961@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Call for help - FreeBSD/PicoBSD presentation In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:59:30 +0100." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 14:35:40 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi, > > I was asked to do a presentation on "FreeBSD in embedded applications" at > a NordU99 (Nordic USENIX/EurOpen) conference in Stockholm. This is very > short term (the presentation itself will take place on Feb 12th), and I > could do with some help. :-) There will be quite a few famous names there > (you can see for yoursefl: http://www.europen.se/NordU99 ). > > What I basically need is some examples of embedded solutions you based on > FreeBSD - I know of a few of them, but I need more information about such > things as: hardware (CPU, RAM, peripherals), functions performed, your > impressions wrt. the efficiency and stability, possible directions for > development, etc... If you haven't already heard from Daniel O'Connor (doconnor@gsoft.com.au), here's some skeletal information on what we did at Genesis while I was there. Daniel took over my job, and he can talk a lot more about what they're doing now, but in my time we deployed a couple of embedded FreeBSD products as controllers in specialised research radar applications. Our standard hardware was a P5/120 on an 430HX board, SCSI disk, 19" rackmount chassis. We used simple digital I/O cards (Advantech PCL-732 and National Instruments AT-DIO-32) to interface with the custom hard-realtime hardware. Data processing and storage was also performed on the controlling systems; judicious hardware and software design made it possible for us to run both acquisition and heavy data analysis on the one system without compromising reliability. We initially deployed using a very early 2.2-current snapshot, and stability under load was very good. The initially-deployed systems were (ab)used mercilessly by the scientific staff, but complaints were usually related to the limited capacity of the system rather than its reliability. Later systems moved to IDE disk and custom PCI interface cards to reduce costs and improve performance, and it's at that point that I moved on. Basically, we used a single Pentium-class system to support: - raw data transfer at up 1 Megabyte/sec. - raw data archival (online and offline) - data analysis - analysed data archival (online and offline) - system scheduling - system health monitoring - GUI interfaces to scheduling, health monitoring and browsing of analysed data. On the whole, FreeBSD was more than capable; we took its capabilities and limitations into account in the early phases of system design and didn't run into any major unexpected difficulties. More significant problems were presented by the variable quality of PC hardware, particularly that available to a small company on a tight budget. Note sure how much that might help; I can fill in more details if you can be more specific. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Feb 7 14:48:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28188 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 14:48:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [195.187.243.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28178 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 14:48:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA19783; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:55:05 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:55:05 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Mike Smith cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Call for help - FreeBSD/PicoBSD presentation In-Reply-To: <199902072235.OAA07961@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I was asked to do a presentation on "FreeBSD in embedded applications" at > > a NordU99 (Nordic USENIX/EurOpen) conference in Stockholm. This is very > > short term (the presentation itself will take place on Feb 12th), and I > > could do with some help. :-) There will be quite a few famous names there > > (you can see for yoursefl: http://www.europen.se/NordU99 ). > > > > What I basically need is some examples of embedded solutions you based on > > FreeBSD - I know of a few of them, but I need more information about such > > things as: hardware (CPU, RAM, peripherals), functions performed, your > > impressions wrt. the efficiency and stability, possible directions for > > development, etc... > > If you haven't already heard from Daniel O'Connor > (doconnor@gsoft.com.au), here's some skeletal information on what we did > at Genesis while I was there. Daniel took over my job, and he can talk > a lot more about what they're doing now, but in my time we deployed a > couple of embedded FreeBSD products as controllers in specialised > research radar applications. [snip] Great, that's very useful information. This is a good example of what you can achieve with FreeBSD. Thanks! (The situation now is that I'm just beginning to write this - this presentation was supposed to be done by someone else, who thought it would be a good idea if I were to present it instead, hehe.. :-> So, we switched quite unexpectedly). Andrzej Bialecki -------------------- ++-------++ ------------------------------------- ||PicoBSD|| FreeBSD in your pocket? Go and see: Research & Academic |+-------+| "Small & Embedded FreeBSD" Network in Poland | |TT~~~| | http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ -------------------- ~-+==---+-+ ------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Feb 8 01:07:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA06930 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 01:07:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from public.shenzhen.cngb.com (public.shenzhen.cngb.com [203.93.104.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA06922 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 01:07:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sencomu8@public.shenzhen.cngb.com) Received: from zhu ([203.93.104.120]) by public.shenzhen.cngb.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA28484 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:05:03 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <36BEA937.EC088185@public.shenzhen.cngb.com> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 17:07:03 +0800 From: zhu zhong hua X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: how to open picobsd031.pax.gz X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I have got the 2.2.5 release picobsd package picobsd031.pax.gz. But I can't open it. The file seemed to be damaged. I have used the two commands "gzip -d" and "pax -r -f picobsd031.pax.gz". They all failed to work and prompted error occurred. Who know how to uncompress the package? Any help is appreciated. zhu zhong hua To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Feb 8 02:24:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA14590 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 02:24:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [195.187.243.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA14582 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 02:24:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA11930; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:30:20 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:30:20 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: zhu zhong hua cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how to open picobsd031.pax.gz In-Reply-To: <36BEA937.EC088185@public.shenzhen.cngb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, zhu zhong hua wrote: > Hi, > I have got the 2.2.5 release picobsd package picobsd031.pax.gz. > But I can't open it. The file seemed to be damaged. I have used the > two commands "gzip -d" and "pax -r -f picobsd031.pax.gz". They all > failed to work and prompted error occurred. Who know how to uncompress > the package? > Any help is appreciated. You probably downloaded it as an ASCII file, which did the damage... Anyway, don't use this version - use the newer tarball available via http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/picobsd.tar.gz. This is relative to 3.0-R. In a few days I'll update it to match 3.1-RELEASE. Andrzej Bialecki -------------------- ++-------++ ------------------------------------- ||PicoBSD|| FreeBSD in your pocket? Go and see: Research & Academic |+-------+| "Small & Embedded FreeBSD" Network in Poland | |TT~~~| | http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ -------------------- ~-+==---+-+ ------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Feb 8 10:45:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10248 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:45:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pixar.com (pixar.pixar.com [138.72.10.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10241 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:45:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from markv@pixar.com) Received: from omnipotus.pixar.com (omnipotus.pixar.com [138.72.40.61]) by pixar.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA26885 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:45:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by omnipotus.pixar.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m109vg8-00Hb96C; Mon, 8 Feb 99 10:45 PST From: "Mark VandeWettering" Message-Id: <9902081045.ZM801040@omnipotus> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:45:04 -0800 Reply-To: markv@pixar.com X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Breathing New life into an Laptop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I picked up a small color laptop made by compaq at a recent swapmeet for a song. It has a 486dx/25, about 120 Mb of disk, and 12mb of ram. I built a nice version of the dialup picobsd floppy for it, and it works great. I use the lp0 interface to wire it up via laplink cable to my real desktop machine and can use ftp and telnet. A couple of things I'd like to fix though: a) Booting from floppy. While I don't have hoards of disk space, I wouldn't mind dedicating the necessary space for picobsd to be loaded from disk, which would be oodles faster. I know long ago there used to be fbsdboot.exe, but I couldn't locate that anymore, and was unsure how it would work with the ELF kernel in anycase. b) Once we are booting from hard drive, it makes some sense to expand the distribution with some other tools since we aren't as tightly limited on space. I'd kind of like to have vi, and a couple of unix tools like grep. I kind of envisioned these living inside an msdos file, and using the vnode stuff to create a filesystem for it. That would enable you to make a fairly competent system. You might imagine it possible (although on my machine it might be pushing it) to create a nice x-terminal using approach. Thanks in advance.. Mark -- Mark T. VandeWettering Telescope Information (and more) Email: http://www.idle.com/~markv/ No Code International Member #1173 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Feb 8 13:33:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA06227 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:33:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [195.187.243.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA06215 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:33:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA02715; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:40:29 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:40:29 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Mark VandeWettering cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Breathing New life into an Laptop In-Reply-To: <9902081045.ZM801040@omnipotus> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Mark VandeWettering wrote: > A couple of things I'd like to fix though: > > a) Booting from floppy. While I don't have hoards of disk space, I wouldn't mind > dedicating the necessary space for picobsd to be loaded from disk, which would > be oodles faster. I know long ago there used to be fbsdboot.exe, but I couldn't > locate that anymore, and was unsure how it would work with the ELF kernel in anycase. Yep. I recently received an LS-120 floppy - I'll do some work on it, and I'll try to adjust the upcoming PicoBSD 0.50 to be able to use media of varying sizes... > b) Once we are booting from hard drive, it makes some sense to expand the distribution with > some other tools since we aren't as tightly limited on space. I'd kind of like to have > vi, and a couple of unix tools like grep. I kind of envisioned these living inside an > msdos file, and using the vnode stuff to create a filesystem for it. That would enable > you to make a fairly competent system. You might imagine it possible (although on my > machine it might be pushing it) to create a nice x-terminal using approach. > > Thanks in advance.. Yes, this is of course possible, and even sometimes desirable. As you say: > A couple of things I'd like to fix though: Patches are more than welcome! :-) Andrzej Bialecki -------------------- ++-------++ ------------------------------------- ||PicoBSD|| FreeBSD in your pocket? Go and see: Research & Academic |+-------+| "Small & Embedded FreeBSD" Network in Poland | |TT~~~| | http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ -------------------- ~-+==---+-+ ------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Feb 9 03:02:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA01067 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:02:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [195.187.243.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA01050 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:02:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA02794; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:29:25 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:29:24 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Tony Li cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Call for help - FreeBSD/PicoBSD presentation In-Reply-To: <82zp6oq8wm.fsf@chimp.juniper.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 9 Feb 1999, Tony Li wrote: > The Juniper M40 router (http://www.juniper.net/products/default.htm) is > based on a very heavily modified FreeBSD kernel and utilities. Wow! This is quite a beast... :-) Thanks for this info! Andrzej Bialecki -------------------- ++-------++ ------------------------------------- ||PicoBSD|| FreeBSD in your pocket? Go and see: Research & Academic |+-------+| "Small & Embedded FreeBSD" Network in Poland | |TT~~~| | http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ -------------------- ~-+==---+-+ ------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Feb 9 03:11:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA02099 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:11:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from arwen.biella.alpcom.it (arwen.biella.alpcom.it [194.243.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA02068 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:11:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chr.ang@biella.alpcom.it) Received: from biella.alpcom.it (www1.biella.alpcom.it [194.243.65.2]) by arwen.biella.alpcom.it (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA09594 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:23:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from chr.ang@biella.alpcom.it) Message-ID: <36BFFE79.23490282@biella.alpcom.it> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 10:23:05 +0100 From: Cristian Angelini Reply-To: chr.ang@biella.alpcom.it X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: My pico router Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, my custom pico system is now working 24h/7 with my complete satisfaction and astonishment of the other guys of my staff. :) It's an old pentium box with a specialix-clone multiserial, two ep and one fxp network cards. It manages three direct analog ppp connection over v.34 modems, and I'm starting to work with the bridging extensions. Since is working so good, I'm trying to evolve it, in the sense of putting more stuff into it, to give him more control over the network. I'm trying to put tcpdump into it with his bpf devices. The problem is that the batch fails to build it, and I can't figure out why. Someone has ever tried this ? Given the free space I have in my floppy, I could even place it in normal, stand alone mode, but I would prefere the pico way. For Andrzej: do you wish more info about this system for your presentation ? In the meantime, I'm planning a UPS / machine room control device using a very old laptop (386dx or sx) pc, I don't know when this will be ready but maybe you'd like to know more about this project for your show :). C.Angelini To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Feb 9 03:11:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA02344 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:11:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from red.juniper.net (red.juniper.net [208.197.169.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA02339 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:11:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tli@juniper.net) Received: from chimp.juniper.net (chimp.juniper.net [208.197.169.196]) by red.juniper.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA03846; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:27:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tli@localhost) by chimp.juniper.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) id AAA19621; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:27:21 -0800 (PST) To: abial@nask.pl (Andrzej Bialecki) cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Call for help - FreeBSD/PicoBSD presentation References: From: Tony Li Date: 09 Feb 1999 00:27:21 -0800 In-Reply-To: abial@nask.pl's message of 4 Feb 99 10:59:30 GMT Message-ID: <82zp6oq8wm.fsf@chimp.juniper.net> Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG abial@nask.pl (Andrzej Bialecki) writes: > What I basically need is some examples of embedded solutions you based on > FreeBSD - I know of a few of them, but I need more information about such > things as: hardware (CPU, RAM, peripherals), functions performed, your > impressions wrt. the efficiency and stability, possible directions for > development, etc... > > So, if you happen to be involved in some kind of such a project, please > send me some info ASAP! I will give you credit for this, when talking > about real-life examples. Also, if you know of someone else who's not > reading the list, please forward this message to him. The Juniper M40 router (http://www.juniper.net/products/default.htm) is based on a very heavily modified FreeBSD kernel and utilities. Tony To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Feb 9 05:24:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA14275 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 05:24:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA14268 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 05:24:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA36151; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:23:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Message-Id: <199902091323.IAA36151@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: Tony Li , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: Call for help - FreeBSD/PicoBSD presentation References: In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Feb 1999 11:29:24 +0100." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 08:23:33 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On 9 Feb 1999, Tony Li wrote: > > > The Juniper M40 router (http://www.juniper.net/products/default.htm) is > > based on a very heavily modified FreeBSD kernel and utilities. > > Wow! This is quite a beast... :-) Thanks for this info! You have no idea. It's really quite the state of the art these days in wire-speed, multi-gigabit routing. 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Regards Steve Edwards International Sales To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Feb 10 05:27:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA25490 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 05:27:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [195.187.243.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA25485 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 05:27:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA16027; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:33:52 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:33:51 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Cristian Angelini cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: WARNING (Re: 3.0-based pico) In-Reply-To: <36C16ACC.54B058F6@biella.alpcom.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [I took the liberty of CC:ing this to freebsd-small. I hope you don't mind] On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Cristian Angelini wrote: > Cristian Angelini wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > maybe you already know this. There are problems on the new 3-stage > > bootstrap code that prevents pc without fpu to boot. While this is > > almost unimportant for normal new bsd installation, it strikes a lot for > > our custom small setup on old pc like 386 or 486sx. > > Works ! > > I disabled the Forth Interpreter on the loader code, and now my 386-laptop > is back to life. My new loader code is also smaller (40K less in > uncompressed format). Wow ! Thanks for notification, and workaround! I think that the problem is related to use of doubles in FICL... this was corrected yesterday IIRC. Could you see if this helped? Andrzej Bialecki -------------------- ++-------++ ------------------------------------- ||PicoBSD|| FreeBSD in your pocket? Go and see: Research & Academic |+-------+| "Small & Embedded FreeBSD" Network in Poland | |TT~~~| | http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ -------------------- ~-+==---+-+ ------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Feb 10 06:13:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA01448 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:13:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01442 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:13:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id XAA06496; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:11:26 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36C19361.BA755DB0@newsguy.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:10:41 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrzej Bialecki CC: Cristian Angelini , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WARNING (Re: 3.0-based pico) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > > I disabled the Forth Interpreter on the loader code, and now my 386-laptop > > is back to life. My new loader code is also smaller (40K less in > > uncompressed format). Wow ! 40K, eh? I was wondering how big was the hit. Anyway, it's about time to have that awk script optimized. > Thanks for notification, and workaround! I think that the problem is > related to use of doubles in FICL... this was corrected yesterday IIRC. > Could you see if this helped? Not yet. There was an open PR on this. We still have to get rid of fp instructions on setjmp/longjmp. I'll try that today, but I'll need code review on this particular change (as small as it seems to be). The people with processors with math coprocessor can rest assured, though, that it *is* our intent to support them. It was unfortunate that I only noticed the open PR two days ago... :-( -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org Well, as a computer geek, I have to believe in the binary universe. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Feb 10 06:45:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA05907 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:45:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from arwen.biella.alpcom.it (arwen.biella.alpcom.it [194.243.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA05899 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:45:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chr.ang@biella.alpcom.it) Received: from biella.alpcom.it (www1.biella.alpcom.it [194.243.65.2]) by arwen.biella.alpcom.it (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA16745; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:43:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from chr.ang@biella.alpcom.it) Message-ID: <36C19B0D.42BC7FBF@biella.alpcom.it> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:43:25 +0100 From: Cristian Angelini Reply-To: chr.ang@biella.alpcom.it X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel C. Sobral" , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WARNING (Re: 3.0-based pico) References: <36C19361.BA755DB0@newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Daniel C. Sobral" wrote: > > > I disabled the Forth Interpreter on the loader code, and now my 386-laptop > > > is back to life. My new loader code is also smaller (40K less in > > > uncompressed format). Wow ! > > 40K, eh? I was wondering how big was the hit. Anyway, it's about time to have > that awk script optimized. If you have some time, please consider a way to get rid of the Forth interpreter without changing half of the makefile :) Given I can do without of that in small setups, and space is sometimes precious, I would prefere not to put my hands on the makefile every time I cvs. > Not yet. There was an open PR on this. We still have to get rid of fp > instructions on setjmp/longjmp. I'll try that today, but I'll > need code review on this particular change (as small as it seems to be). Just what I was thinking, this will save my test of tonight :). When your change will be done I think I'll be able to test it quickly, just send me the patches and some test samples to do. Bye, Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Feb 11 07:12:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA29518 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:12:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ATUVM.ATU.EDU (ATUVM.ATU.EDU [150.208.64.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA29509 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:12:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from STU2997@ATUVM.ATU.EDU) Received: from ATUVM.ATU.EDU by ATUVM.ATU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1641; Thu, 11 Feb 99 09:12:10 CDT Message-Id: <11FEB99.09938606.0196.MUSIC@ATUVM.ATU.EDU> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:12:08 CST From: "HORTON, DEREK K" To: Subject: PicoBSD questions X-Mailer: MUSIC/SP V5.1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I want to set up a picobsd box to dial out to my isp and share the connection for my home computers? Question 1) does it have isapnp tools in it (I have a plugnplay modem) 2) will it do dial on demand 3) can I p lay quake through it? Is there a FAQ somewhere that I missed? Thanks f or the help Derek Horton stu2997@atuvm.atu.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Feb 12 11:28:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22702 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:28:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.test-flight.com (mars.test-flight.com [205.210.246.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22689 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:28:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkierstead@image-impression.com) Received: from image-impression.com (205.210.246.6) by mail1.test-flight.com (Worldmail 1.3.167) for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; 12 Feb 1999 14:40:04 -0500 Message-ID: <36C480ED.21AA8D29@image-impression.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:28:45 -0500 From: James Kierstead Organization: Image Impression Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: Heya... quick question]] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------91A6BDAF4536CB45A15BF3E7" Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------91A6BDAF4536CB45A15BF3E7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All, I've recently download and setup the router version of PicoBSD and just love it!!! :) It's running on a 486DX 66Mhz box with 16M ram, FD and nothing else. It's handling traffic on a T1 without breaking a sweat. Right now it's routing perfectly between two networks 205.x.x.x and my internal 192.x.x.x using natd. However, I'm having problems with the -redirect_port flag for natd. I want to redirect requests on port 80 of the 205.x.x.x (public) to my internal 192.x.x.x:80 box. However, when I try: natd -interface ed0 -redirect_port tcp 192.x.x.x:80 80 I'm getting interface already in use errors? As well is there any way to specificy both tcp/udp on the same line? Or does one need to use two seperate lines?? What I don't understand is that I can use the one line but if I try to add more I get the interface already in use error? Any suggestions on how I can implement this redirect or working examples would be greatly appreciated! Thanks --------------91A6BDAF4536CB45A15BF3E7 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from image-impression.com (205.210.246.6) by mail1.test-flight.com (Worldmail 1.3.167) for jkierstead@image-impression.com; 12 Feb 1999 10:09:46 -0500 Message-ID: <36C44288.CEB7C3BB@image-impression.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:02:32 -0500 From: Jeff Zelding X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jkierstead@image-impression.com Subject: [Fwd: Heya... quick question] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------CB46F4891F79474CA831EBAB" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CB46F4891F79474CA831EBAB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------CB46F4891F79474CA831EBAB Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca (128.100.132.16) by mail1.test-flight.com (Worldmail 1.3.167) for jzelding@image-impression.com; 12 Feb 1999 10:00:02 -0500 Received: from pcws146.dur.utoronto.ca ([128.100.87.187] EHLO utoronto.ca ident: NO-IDENT-SERVICE [port 1345]) by bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <178350-24667>; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:48:36 -0500 Message-ID: <36C43F2A.9290644B@utoronto.ca> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:48:10 -0500 From: Justin Folkerts Organization: University of Toronto X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Zelding Subject: Re: Heya... quick question References: <36C43B46.81E641F1@image-impression.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------CBECFBB13F7DE0CDDC1C0946" X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CBECFBB13F7DE0CDDC1C0946 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Jeff, That dang com-pu-ter still causing problems, I see. Hmmm....... Let me see. I will ramble for a bit and maybe you will get some ideas out of it. 1 - Last year some time, you had turned off the firewall, I believe it was testing the VPN software for Autotrader. During the night, the firewall was still off, and when people tried to dial in for the internet, they could not access it. This may be too obvious, but is the firewall still on???. 2 - Because the RAS is using Dynamic IP's, are they the same as before, when the machine was NT 3.1? Did you have to re-set the IP's or did they handle the conversion. I think there is a host table somewhere that defines the IP's that should be accepted - Remember the RAS IP's account for individual Licenses on the firewall, so they need to be defined. If they have changed, then they firewall will not know how to accept them. 3 - The RAS is the only machine that sends individual IP's across to the Firewall. The rest of GROUNDZERO, DIETITIANS, FSA, and the virtual IP's on NETRA are all masked through routers, or through one IP. 4 - I should have the list of IP's on my excel spreadsheet. I would check there first and verify. 5 - If you are still having problems, I would maybe somehow try and route the RAS ip's through the GROUNDZERO router 192.0.1.59 instead of through neutron. Question - are there any other computers who are being routed through neutron having problems with the Internet? (Sonia's computer,TANGOSRV??, NEUTRON). IF so, then it may be the 192. - 205. Nic's on the computer not being set-up properly. Hope this gives you some leads. If you have tried these, or think they are wrong, let me know what you have done, so I can troubleshoot better. Justin Jeff Zelding wrote: > Justin, > > Just curious if you can remember any special configurations that were > set up on Neutron such that dial-up users would be able to route out to > the internet. Currently (ever since we had the big crash last > weekend), our dialup users can get to the 205 and 192 network, but can't > get out past the firewall. We know it's a routing issue, but we can't > find any documentation as to how neutron's routing was set up. > > Any thoughts, ideas? > > Thanks, > > -Jeff --------------CBECFBB13F7DE0CDDC1C0946 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="justin.folkerts.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Justin Folkerts Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="justin.folkerts.vcf" begin:vcard n:Folkerts;Justin tel;work:(416) 946-5372 x-mozilla-html:TRUE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:justin.folkerts@utoronto.ca fn:Justin Folkerts end:vcard --------------CBECFBB13F7DE0CDDC1C0946-- --------------CB46F4891F79474CA831EBAB-- --------------91A6BDAF4536CB45A15BF3E7-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message