From owner-freebsd-sparc Mon Jan 25 01:07:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14666 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:07:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep02-svc.tin.it (mta02-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA14659 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:07:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.236.104]) by fep01-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation> for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:11:12 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:14:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Read this... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > Will someone with more courage and experiance than I please speak up about > > this, perhaps contact sun? > > Please _don't_ ask Sun for anything until you have a working port on > limited hardware. I doubt that anyone following this list would be > prepared to spend $$$ based on what has been said so far. Those people > who have access to Sun machines should be able to do a port with neither > financial nor moral support from Sun. If you want this sort of support, > you have to earn it. Let me explain the meaning of the word "support" from my personal point of view: 1) I haven't any Sun Hardware. I'm a student and I cannot pay 3000$ for a Sun Ultra5, only to "play" with it. I would have an AXi motherboard (good for experiments) but it costs too much. So, for the hardware I would have something like 50% of the price (no free hardware, at actual stage). Why Sun could give me/us this: I have not 3000$, and actually there are few persons with an Ultra box, so _if_ Sun wants more developers on this project they must help in some way. This is the situation it's not "charity"... Please note also the word "Open" also means: I can buy it for a good price. 2) Docs, pdf and other things.... On Intel you can find _anything_ about "how it boots", "how it works", books and docs. If you go in a bookstore you can find many books about "everything". Not the same situation on Sparc. So again: "Open" means I can read "how it works" without paying 500$... 3) Moral support. Actually, if Sun (SME) will put something on-line about the harware we can do a good job (something that works/boots on limited hardware) with no moral support. We can do experiments where "I don't know how it works" and read where "it's documented at page..." Thanks for youe time 8) Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Mon Jan 25 02:05:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA21053 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 02:05:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA21045 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 02:05:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA29180; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:34:58 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) id UAA62010; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:34:58 +1030 (CST) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:34:57 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Paolo Di Francesco Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Read this... Message-ID: <19990125203457.Y36690@freebie.lemis.com> References: <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation>; from Paolo Di Francesco on Thu, Dec 10, 1998 at 02:14:17AM +0000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ciao, Paolo > From owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 25 19:46:08 1999 > Received: from sarip.sol.net (mail@sarip.sol.net [169.207.30.120]) > by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA29067 > for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:46:04 +1030 (CST) > Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) > by sarip.sol.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/SNNS-1.02) with ESMTP id DAA29001; > Mon, 25 Jan 1999 03:15:51 -0600 (CST) > Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA14917; > Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:10:02 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc) > Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:07:59 -0800 > Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14666 > for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:07:37 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) > Received: from fep02-svc.tin.it (mta02-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.33]) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA14659 > for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:07:33 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) This is where this message was stored and regurgitated after 6 weeks. Maybe the following system is really a loseworkstation? > Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.236.104]) by fep01-svc.tin.it > (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP > id <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation> > for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:11:12 +0100 Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Jan 26 21:47:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA00785 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:47:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA00776 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:47:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA80698; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:54:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:54:13 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: Kapil Chowksey cc: sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Need sparc openboot reference In-Reply-To: <13992.13527.799936.556898@elbereth.hss.hns.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Kapil Chowksey wrote: > On Friday, 22 January, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > Searching through http://docs.sun.com i'm having a hard time finding a > > reference on how to interact with the sparc 'BIOS'. > > > > can anyone give me a url (specific) or recommend a book that details this? > > I recommend buying `Writing Open Firmware Client Programs' from > http://www.firmworks.com > > Easier is to look at /usr/include/sys/openprom.h on your Solaris > machine. got the books. > > since i have a 170/e and not a regular 170 (usparc) it's not booting > > netbsd correctly, i need to find out why. I am looking at netbsd/linux > > The reason for that is the `zs' chip is not being mapped at boot time > by your PROM. You can workaround this by using `iomap' family of Forth > commands before you boot. i have to read more about this, however: ok cd zs Device not found ok cd ttya ok cd .. ok ls f0078d08 SUNW,bpp@e,c800000 f00712b8 SUNW,hme@e,8c00000 f006acdc SUNW,fas@e,8800000 f005d388 SUNW,pll@f,1304000 f005d2d4 sc@f,1300000 f005b8b8 zs@f,1000000 f005a418 zs@f,1100000 f005a364 eeprom@f,1200000 f005a230 SUNW,fdtwo@f,1400000 f005a168 flashprom@f,0 f005a0d8 auxio@f,1900000 f0059fcc SUNW,CS4231@d,c000000 ok ttya io ok cd /sbus@1f,0/zs@f,1000000 ok ls ok .properties reg 0000000f 01000000 00000004 interrupts 00000028 port-b-ignore-cd port-a-ignore-cd keyboard device_type serial name zs ok iomap /sbus@1f,0/zs@f,1000000 iomap ? ok iomap? /sbus@1f,0/zs@f,1000000 VA: 1 invalid /sbus@1f,0/zs@f,1000000 ? Stack Underflow ok setenv output-device ttya output-device = ttya ok boot disk1 ofwboot -- -asv Boot device: /sbus/SUNW,fas@e,8800000/sd@1,0 File and args: ofwboot -- -asv NetBSD IEEE 1275 Bootblock ..>> NetBSD/sparc64 OpenFirmware Boot, Revision >> (eeh@nonplus.one-o.com, Sat Nov 28 17:07:35 PST 1998) Boot: netbsd.64 -asvh You said netbsd.64 -asvh parseargs says you said netbsd.64 devopen: getdisklabel sez no disk label main: Calling loadfile(fd, /sbus@1f,0/SUNW,fas@e,8800000/sd@1,0/netbsd.64 -as) loadfile: reading header elf64_exec: Booting /sbus@1f,0/SUNW,fas@e,8800000/sd@1,0/netbsd.64 reading 1 program headers reading phdr 0 at 40 lseek sez: 40 reading phdr worked, type 1 flags 7 2082128@0xf8000000+391696@0xf81fc550 symbols @ 0xfff362c0 71+162000+78494 start=0xf8000000 chain: calling OF_chain(100000, ba78, f8000000, fffb5a80, 18) OF_chain: prom returned! [ preserving 241272 bytes of netbsd ELF symbol table ] Failed to map msgbuf Fast Data Access MMU Miss ok grrrrrr!!! i can't seem to grok the 'iomap?' idea, any pointers? Alfred Perlstein - Programmer, HotJobs Inc. - www.hotjobs.com -- There are operating systems, and then there's FreeBSD. -- http://www.freebsd.org/ 4.0-current To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Jan 28 21:11:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21698 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:11:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep06-svc.tin.it (pop02-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21686 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:11:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.236.104]) by fep01-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation> for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:11:12 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:14:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Read this... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > Will someone with more courage and experiance than I please speak up about > > this, perhaps contact sun? > > Please _don't_ ask Sun for anything until you have a working port on > limited hardware. I doubt that anyone following this list would be > prepared to spend $$$ based on what has been said so far. Those people > who have access to Sun machines should be able to do a port with neither > financial nor moral support from Sun. If you want this sort of support, > you have to earn it. Let me explain the meaning of the word "support" from my personal point of view: 1) I haven't any Sun Hardware. I'm a student and I cannot pay 3000$ for a Sun Ultra5, only to "play" with it. I would have an AXi motherboard (good for experiments) but it costs too much. So, for the hardware I would have something like 50% of the price (no free hardware, at actual stage). Why Sun could give me/us this: I have not 3000$, and actually there are few persons with an Ultra box, so _if_ Sun wants more developers on this project they must help in some way. This is the situation it's not "charity"... Please note also the word "Open" also means: I can buy it for a good price. 2) Docs, pdf and other things.... On Intel you can find _anything_ about "how it boots", "how it works", books and docs. If you go in a bookstore you can find many books about "everything". Not the same situation on Sparc. So again: "Open" means I can read "how it works" without paying 500$... 3) Moral support. Actually, if Sun (SME) will put something on-line about the harware we can do a good job (something that works/boots on limited hardware) with no moral support. We can do experiments where "I don't know how it works" and read where "it's documented at page..." Thanks for youe time 8) Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message